An Unsolicited Addendum to Bill James's Article on 'the 100 Best Pitchers' Duels of 2011'
Grantland has posted an article by Bill James that it describes as "[a] totally, utterly, insanely completist list from the godfather of baseball stats" of the 100 best pitchers' duels of 2011. James attempts to objectively list the top-pitched games by starting pitchers during 2011. In doing so, he lays out the following guiding criteria:
What are the elements of a great pitchers' duel? A pitchers' duel is a low-scoring game, obviously; a 1-0 game is the champion of its list. The term "pitchers' duel" implies that the starting pitchers pitch well, as opposed to staggering through five innings un-scored upon and handing it off to the bullpen. We think of a pitchers' duel more highly if it involves pitchers of stature. A 1-0 game is more memorable if it is Sabathia against Verlander than if it is Marco Estrada against Kevin Correia. Which, by the way, actually happened last year; Marco Estrada and Kevin Correia matched up on August 13 at Miller Park, and the result was a 1-0 game. Go figure. There's a woman involved somewhere.
Anyway, a great pitchers' duel implies that there is something at stake beyond fifth place, although you don't want to place too much emphasis on that criterion, or you wind up warbling on about Jack Morris in 1991, long after anybody cares.
I agree by and large with the elements James lays out. But, like other Cardinals fans, I respectfully disagree with Grantland regarding the completeness of the list, which only seems to include regular season pitchers' duels. By limiting the list in such a way, James has left off the top pitching duel of the 2011 calendar year: Halladay vs. Carpenter in Game 5 of the NLDS.
Applying the four criteria James uses, let's evaluate Game 5 of the NLDS between the Phillies and Cardinals.
1. Quality Pitchers on the Mound
The game was a face-off between aces. For the Phillies, the reigning National League Cy Young Award winner took the mound. His 2011 was on par with his award-winning 2010 season. Halladay struck out 8.49 batters per nine innings while only walking 1.35 in 2011. He posted a 2.35 ERA, 2.20 FIP, and 2.71 xFIP--all of which were lower than their corresponding 2010 levels. Halladay's 8.2 fWAR was 1.6 fWAR higher than his total in the preceding Cy Young 2010 season. In 2011, one cannot definitively state that there was a better pitcher than Halladay in the National League.
For the Cardinals, the 2005 Cy Young Award winner got the start. The de facto ace after co-ace Adam Wainwright's Tommy John surgery ended his season before it began, Carpenter anchored the St. Louis rotation throughout the season. Carpenter led the National League with 237.1 IP and was very good. Even though he had a 3.45 ERA in 2011, which was below what we've come to expect from Carpenter (who has a career 116 ERA+), it was still good for a Jack Morris-esque 105 ERA+. Carp posted a 7.24 K/9 and a 2.09 BB/9. His FIP of 3.06 suggests he pitched better than his 3.45 ERA and on a level similar to Halladay's 2010 (3.01 FIP).
Game 5 of the NLDS featured two Cy Young Award winners still pitching at a high level.
2. Something is at Stake
This game had the highest stakes possible in sport. It was the deciding game of a postseason series. The loser's season would end and the winner would move on the NLCS. Something wasn't at stake; everything was at stake.
3. Low-Scoring Game
The run tally was as low-scoring as a game can be: 1-0.
4. The Pitchers Pitch Well
The Cardinals got to Halladay early. Rafael Furcal led things off with a triple. Skip Schumaker then hit a double that plated Furcal. The game's first and only run was scored before Halladay induced one out. After Furcal scored to give the Cardinals a 1-0 lead, 54 outs followed without another run scoring.
Halladay posted a final line of 8 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 7 SO, 1 BB.
Carpenter posted a final line of 9 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 SO, 0 BB.
Halladay participated in three of James's top 100 regular season duels of 2011. His September 14 five-hit shutout against Houston was No. 7. The Phillies' 3-2 win over the Rangers on May 20, in which Halladay bested C.J. Wilson, came in at No. 85. At No. 95 is a 2-1 loss on May 10 to Josh Johnson and the Marlins. Halladay posted a Game Score of 81 versus the Astros in September, 68 against the Rangers, and 73 in the Phillies' loss to the Marlins. In Game 5 of the NLDS, Halladay posted a Game Score of 72.
Like Halladay, Carpenter started in three of James's top 100 regular season pitchers' duels. Carpenter and the Cards' 1-0 victory over Johnny Cueto and the Reds on Independence Day comes it at No. 40. On September 7, Carpenter bested Zack Greinke and the Brewers 2-0, a duel that ranks 48th on James's list. Carpenter shut out the Phillies on September 18 and the Cardinals plated five runs on Cole Hamles, a matchup that is No. 86 on the list. Carpenter's eight innings of shutout pitching against the Reds on July 4 totaled a Game Score of 74. His shutout of the Brewers in September produced an 82 Game Score. Lastly, his September 18 shutout of Philadelphia only totals a Game Score of 70. In Game 5, Carpenter's performance earned an 84 Game Score, a Game Score he bested once in 2011--with a 93 in his compete-game shutout against the Astros on the season's final day, a performance that helped the Cards to clinch a postseason berth.
In the biggest game of the MLB year to that point, Carpenter and Halladay turned in impressive performances. The two starters combined to throw 17 IP, allow just 9 total hits, issue a lone walk, strike out 10 opposing batters, and allow a single run. This game was October baseball at its finest and those who watched know that it was the top pitchers' duel of 2011. That the Cardinals won the game and went on to win the National League Pennant and the World Series makes it all the better.
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I thought the exact same thing about the omission of the Carp/Halladay
duel in the playoffs.
Who's faster home to first? Yadi or Torty?
+1
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
OT
Sorry to go OT on you before 8am here in the Central Time Zone, although I do agree about James leaving the playoffs out of his criteria to be a head scratcher. Anywho…
Is there a deadline to still be able to collect compensation for a FA? I’m specifically thinking about Edwin Jackson who still hasn’t found a home and would return some compensation if his fabulous agent ever found him a team.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I'm not sure if there's a deadline...
but surely he will sign a Kyle Lohse I – type deal if it comes down to it.
Sign Roy O
Maybe "before the draft"
since the compensation is a draft pick? I dunno.
I'm still guessing EJax ends up getting 2/20 or 3/28 or something
There are plenty of teams with an eye to competing in 2012/13 who have that sort of money to spend and space in their rotation. I imagine he won’t sign until Oswalt does, though, as Oswalt’s probably similar in projected 2012 WAR but somewhat cheaper. I think he could still end up in Miami, Washington, Detroit or even somewhere like Toronto or Colorado (if either has any payroll space left) as a long shot.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 23, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think there is one
and I think it’s in May. the 15th maybe? that may have played into Clemens’ midseason return to the Yankees after his time with the Astros.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 23, 2012 6:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Carpenter/Halladay duel was a weird experience for me
I was flying into New York for my buddy’s wedding, and I think as we got off the plane and found a taxi it was in the sixth or seventh inning. So we kept checking the very basic version of Gameday that my wife’s phone was able to do. Kind of excruciating. We flew into Newark, so we figured there was no way we’d actually get to our hotel in time to see the end of the game live, and we were right. Still pretty awesome though.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Dude. It was more than pretty awesome
regardless of whether you were able to see it live or not. Even if nobody saw the game, the tree still makes a sound.
by hangingfromatree on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Even when you're hanging from it?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
at first, i cringed at your comment and thought, "wow, that's a little uncalled for..."
and then I saw that it wasn’t…………….
nice one.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
It was triple, double, then 54 outs without any scoring...
I thought we were dooomed when Yadi let the third strike go in the 8th.
Sign Roy O
If we were the Cubs
The dropped third strike would’ve killed us. Then we would have used it as an excuse and ran Yadi out of town. That’s what losers do. But we’re the Cardinals, so we overcame it and just got another out. Take note Cubs. This is how champions play…
"And that's a winner. A World Series winner for the Cardinals."
by Bird Watcher on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I had bought tickets to a show
waaaaay back when the Cardinals were 100%, no doubt about it, out of the playoff hunt.
The Addams Family was a fine evening’s entertainment, but I’d much rather have been watching based balls.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean 99.6% out of the playoff hunt.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Nope. 100%.
No chance.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Agree that the Carpenter/Halladay pitching matchup was spectacular
and everything was on the line. The obviously problematic point is that the entire pool of possible major league pitching match-ups was not available as competition; only the playoff pitchers. This would be like voting for regular season awards after the post-season and letting that influence the final decisions. Those Kershaw-Lincecum games were awesome. Just sayin.
by hangingfromatree on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's a fair point.
I would say there’s a difference between an award that takes into an account a player’s performance over an entire season and one that looks at performance in a single game. Regarding MVP, Cy Young, and Rookie of the Year voting, it would be unfair to allow some players to pad their stats in October at the expense of players who played on teams that didn’t qualify. However, when we’re just looking at the performance of two pitchers in a single game, I don’t have any problem including the postseason even if it is a bit unfair. After all, pitchers’ duels with the chill of October in the air are the best pitchers’ duels.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This is true.
But as evinced in that NLDS Game 5, with even more at stake, pitchers of Carp/Halladay caliber elevate their games that much more; none of the other performances/match-ups even had the opportunity to unfold in a similar setting. Well, maybe. Those guys kinda bring it every time; that’s why they’re special pitchers. I won’t disagree that the game, the match-up, the drama, and the duel was filled with the most tension, excitement, and intensity of any of the James top 100, but it’s not a fair comparison, given the stakes. But sure, best pitcher’s duel of the [post] season, and of the year as well.
by hangingfromatree on Jan 23, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that was the best matchup I've seen in a while
When Halladay’s on you can tell that he’s not going to give up a lot of runs. Even when he’s worked and flustered he’s still throwing 80 MPH hammer curveballs.
Carp’s one of the few pitchers who can match up with Halladay’s range of stuff, and although he didn’t necessarily pitch better (Halladay has more strikeouts and should have won the given equal hit distribution) he was well within the margin of error. Plus game 5 of the NLDS.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
he was well within the margin of error.
Poetic stuff, my friend, poetic stuff….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 23, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
U FORGOT THEY R FISHIN BUDDIES
(and david freese & ryan howard are from STL)
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"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
also the Big Bang Theory is on TBS
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Back in 2007,
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Written in the stars.
Because Matheny
by WyoCardsFan on Jan 23, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A million miles away.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 23, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Robots can't eat fish.
That’s like, suicide, man.
by hangingfromatree on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Ooooh exploitable.
I could see this having its own shoop thread someday.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Jan 23, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Most fishing shirts I've seen are button down like that.
Special material for breathing, vented, very comfortable.
Also, usually more brightly colored.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Correct, don't forget the SPF factor as well.
I have many of them.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I thought it was
UPF factor…
But I agree with Sdrone. I bass fish a BUNCH but I still can’t bring myself to wear a button-up shirt.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
all the guys on TV wear polos don't they?
Of course, my time spent watching bass fishing on TV last year was about 34 seconds.
Used to, but now they wear
a high crewneck shirt made a lot like a motorcycle jersey. They’re more colorful and they breathe really well.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Oh so they jumped on the whole
underarmor/nike/dry fit craze.
Of course.
Anything with branding. You should see their stuff. They would make NASCAR stuff look bad.
I’m gonna attempt to paste an image of my friend’s boat. He’s a pretty high level tour pro.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
OK, how do I post a pic here?
I have it in my documents folder on my computer.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
go to
http://imgur.com, upload the picture there, copy the link for the picture, click the little tree logo on a comment post here at veb, paste the link for the image, click post.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Ok. here it is, I think.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
dammit.
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Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Success!!!
Eckstreem: Viva El Birdos member since 2008, idiot since 1977.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
For those of you that are interested..
that guy with Carp is Skeet Reese. One of the best professional bass fisherman in the world. He was on the trip with Carp and Halladay. They rescued a guy that had been attacked by an anocanda and was left on a log.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Reality>movies when the Cardinals are involved
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh and that Reese guy
has won almost $3,000,000 bass fishing.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Heh. I was just about to ask who that was.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 23, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit. That's crazy.
Any idea of anaconda attacks are that common of an occurrence?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 23, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Is this in Florida?
There aren’t any anacondas there. Maybe they’re referring to these invasive burmese pythons that grow really big…
Sign Roy O
It was during Carp & Halladay's Amazon fishing trip
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
It was during Carp & Halladay's Amazon fishing trip
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Game 5 NLDS is my favorite baseball game.
even Game 6 WS does not top it. I spent the last 3 innings pacing. I have never experienced a game that tense from the first inning on.
When I saw that it was not #1 on the list, I assumed that playoffs were not included.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Jan 23, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
this.
from start to finish the most nerve racking game i’ve ever watched. i was DYING in the ninth inning (fully knowing utley-pence-howard were due up) and just about died when utley crushed the first pitch offered to him by carp. the ibanez fly ball in i believe the fifth also caused my heart to skip a beat.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
It was so awesome.
after the 3rd inning, I was pretty convinced that Halladay was done giving up runs. Carp just didn’t let up, not at all. Great plays by Pujols and Furcal sure helped.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Carp had his boot on their throats.
Still those flyballs to Utley ? and Ibanez had me standing up screaming GET DOWN GET DOWN!
by openside on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I read the article too
At no point does it specify “regular season” as one of its criteria. I was stunned it ignored the Doc / Carp duel too. That game was nothing short of amazing. I read to the end without finding the expected dual and thought to myself “I waz robbed!”
It doesn't include any playoff games....
Then I looked at all the playoff games, and this is the only one that stands out. I was thinking Verlander vs CJ Wilson for game 5 was good… but then I checked the box score.
Verlander threw 133 pitches. Gutsy, but in no way one of the top 100 games of the year.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I wonder if they didn't bother to include a playoff section of the article because there were few good duels to choose from?
Still would have been nice to see an honorable mention or something.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
..or maybe
They’re planning on a separate article?
by openside on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
seperate article
would have to be something like “postseason”
Just from the sample size
Grit != flat out sucking.
The WS
pitching duel was pretty much Tony LaRussa vs. Derek Holland.
Because Matheny
by WyoCardsFan on Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Undoubtedly the best pitchers duel and second best game (next to game 6 of the WS of course) of the year
For pitchers enthusiasts it’s probably the best game. I’m ecstatic that I got to see it live, happy the DVD of it was included with the WS film, and glad to see this post. It is an excellent article, bgh, thank you
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
NLDS Game 5
That game is going to be one that will stick in my mind for a long time. I was sitting at home when a friend of mine called me up to come over and watch the game with her some other friends. That game, along with the company I shared won’t be erased. One of the single best games I’ve ever seen…
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
Somebody who knows swing mechanics
Tell me if this is good or not: (go to number 24, Stryker Trahan)
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
oh man
if there wasn’t a TPG signal… there is now
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
You know...
we havent heard as much from him since Torres sucked it up last year. Maybe Torres was hurt or something.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Really?
He’s got like 4 very interesting FanShots up in the past month.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I'm a poor
fanshot reader. My bad Painguy!
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Torres was hurt some last year
But the biggest thing was that…
1. He got out of his off-season routine.
2. He was trying to hit home runs.
I’m supposed to go see him tomorrow, so hopefully I can help him get back on track.
Boog would have made that play.
As a guy entering his late 30's
I’m starting to notice how even the smallest injuries can throw off your whole body. I’m sure that goes tenfold for a major league baseball player that’s reliant on a bunch of quick-twitch muscles working in concert on split-second timing.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
2nd'd
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I'm not "entering" my 30s
more like starting to see the door down the hallway to 40…
anyway, yeah. I think the comedian Gallagher said it best when he said you really don’t realize you’ve gotten old until you remember some dumb thing you used to do and decide to try it again. And then you say…“damn….I can’t do that no more.”
It’s funny…because it’s true.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I'm 31, the drop off from 29 to 31 was massive for me
This year is the first time not only have I struggled to get through work out at all, I’ve yet to be able to actually finish one.
I rarely make it to the 3am last call. I’m terrified of the drop off between to mid 30s and beyond :-/
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
It was 33 for me.
I’m 34 now, and I pretty much can’t get drunk two days in a row without massive medication and half a bottle of tums. I’m usually asleep by 9, and everything hurts!!!
When I lift weights, my shoulder hurts from an old stress fracture. My sternum hurts from a spot that I cracked the cartilage. When I run, my ankles get really sore and my hip hurts. My left knee hurts pretty much all the time. I can’t sleep more than 4 hours at a time without waking up and stretching my back out.
It sucks.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
this conversation is extremely depressing.
i hate all of you.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. I'm in my mid 50's, about to add another year tomorrow
I have a slight tear in my left meniscus, whcih means I can’t do a few things in my karate class, and my right rotator cuff has been bugging me for almost a year, though it is getting better, thanks to a cortisone shot last month, and for some reason, it hasn’t affected my bowling score; rather, the opposite for some odd reason. I’ve never been much of a drinker, and I lost 10 pounds a couple of months ago, which I’m still hoping to increase to 30-40, though my willpower is for sh*t. For my physical age, I feel pretty good. My mental age (18), however, can be a real problem. And it sucks when my best friend in high school, who’s a few months older than me, is totally ripped, and runs spinning classes every day.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
conversations like this make me feel like a worthless person.
for all intents and purposes my body will be peaking in the next 5-7 years and i’ve only been truly “in shape” about 6-8 months of my life. if i don’t do it now i may never do it…
(side note: both my brothers do as little as i do and eat worse and yet have much slender figures than i do. i hate genetics)
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
The running thing
I always laughed at those on elipticals. Now I can’t use anything else.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
funny story
I was on a date a few months back with a pretty amazing girl, and it was going great. And then, at some point, I happened to mention that I owned a ginormously expensive elliptical, and that my favorite thing to do was watch cardinals baseball games while elliptical-ling, (didn’t mention VEB, sorry), and how cool it was to drink a 6-pack of beer (yes, my elliptical has a cooler) while simultaneously burning a 12 pack of beer’s worth of calories in an hour, and then her nose did that thing, and then I walked her to her car, and then we didn’t chat again.
Must have been a cubs fan.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
this home run thing
seems to be an occurring theme with him.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Speaking of people not heard from in awhile
where the heck is IHeartBoog? Haven’t seen her on here in awhile. Is she lurking?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
She mentioned possibly taking a VEB break.
She’s still on Twitter.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I meant to tell her
that I never use those kinds of words when speaking to a woman. Old-style. Ah well, I didn’t start that discussion, nor did I finish it. I saw that she was offended (pretty sure not by me, tho), and meant to say more, but never got around to it.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 24, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
is twitter less addictive than VEB? Or less time consuming?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on how many people you follow.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 24, 2012 7:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I guess, my mental image of twitter followers is constantly checking cell phone/always fiddling with it/etc
was just curious, since IHB may have sworn off VEB for awhile but not twitter. (not saying my example relates to her)
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
The time consuming nature wasn't her reason.
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 24, 2012 8:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ahh, well I hope she comes back soon/when ready
and brings Y2S with her
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm by no means an expert in the area
but it looks fine in real speed. Tough to tell since it zooms in on his upper body and it’s not slo-motion. I would like to see him still that back elbow a bit as it seems to get to the right position alright but is a slow, constant motion as opposed to getting set and then coming forward.
But again, that might just be an illusion since it’s in real time.
Also, I doubt that’s his real swing. He kind of looks to be just loosening up or taking it easy in the cage. So, maybe not a whole lot of concrete can be taken from this.
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Remember the post I made about Holliday's whip
And how the barrel really whips around his hands.

I see a lot of the same stuff in Trahan; he gets to this same basic position. That’s why he has good power down the line.
P.S. The only way to get a real sense of a swing is to look at it frame by frame. I use downloadhelper.
Boog would have made that play.
Well..that seals it...Stryker is my favorite draft eligible player
Do you have frame by frame of him?
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm guessing that elbow is in the right spot
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
And notice how the barrel isn’t just in line with his front arm but has rotated in front of it a bit. A normal forearm/barrel angle at contact is 180 degrees (aka in line), and that is more like 175 degrees (which is good).
Boog would have made that play.
Always interested
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can we get a link to that?
I’m not seeing it on the sidebar.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is that bat rotation from wrist action?
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No
What the wrists do is due to the physics. The wrists are an unpowered hinge.
It’s mostly due to how he rapidly accelerates and then accelerates his back elbow. Watch his back elbow slow down by his back hip. That stops his hands and causes the barrel to rapidly rotate around his hands.
Boog would have made that play.
Notice how his hands basically stop...
…between frame 32 and frame 33 and don’t move at all between frame 33 and frame 34.
That leads to momentum transfer that causes the barrel to whip around the hands.
Boog would have made that play.
what do you mean by "unpowered hinge"
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You don't have to try to do anything with your wrists
All the wrists do is they release the barrel at the right time.
The physics do the rest.
The sign of the forces that the wrists generate is the opposite of what most people think. People assume it’s positive when it’s actually negative.
Boog would have made that play.
so forearm/wrist musculature size strength doesnt really affect bat speed?
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It helps you hold onto the bat...
…and maintain the hinge angle.
That’s important, but different than what most people think matters.
Boog would have made that play.
With doing almost no research
I’ll also say I like Wacha a lot. If I remember right, he was higher than just 94 when he pitched at Mizzou last year and I liked his stuff a lot to go with clean looking mechanics.
It also blows me away that anyone would still consider taking a college closer in the 1st round. It’s incomprehensible.
Not afraid to nitpick
What is a more beneficial state for a football team?
First and 10 or second and 8?
At what point is First and 10 equal to second and X, in terms of expected probability of another first down?
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second and eight seems like a clear win for the defense
a useful running back averages four yards a carry, and all but the most terrible quarterbacks average six yards per attempt by now (without adjusting for fumbles and interceptions), so I’d guess second-and-six is where it gets gray.
So, say 1st and 10 = 2nd and 6 = 3rd and 3?
In terms of probability of another first down?
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as someone who knows almost nothing about football analytics besides how to find football outsiders numbers
that at least sounds plausible to me
well you'd have to look at the probability distributions
but it probably wouldn’t change much from that, on average.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
probability distributions for getting a given amount of yards on a play
I suspect there are two mode peaks, because of passing and running.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Danup
You went to Mizzou right? Is it true the Journalism programs requires you to get a mac. Going off this picture
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's college in general
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To purchase a mac?
When did students start to get forced to buy laptops let alone mac’s?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, it's not forced at all
That’s just what college kids buy nowadays. Maybe not QUITE to that extent in the picture, but I’d say that my classes were all 75-25 Macs
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My law school classes were easily 75/25 PC to Mac.
Apparently the iPod branding was more effective on kids younger than us in forming computer tastes.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I know we're getting dangerously close to a religion discussion
but branding doesn’t seem the right word to me—if you’re using an ipod, and satisfied with it because it’s a great way of organizing and listening to music, and you’re using an iphone, and satisfied with it because it does everything you want intuitively, it seems perfectly natural to me to buy a mac and not a pc.
what’s happened in the last five or six years, I think, is that windows is no longer the default PC operating system choice.
yeah, I don't know anything about enterprise
and I’m unlikely to have the chance to learn about it any time soon.
From my end, I think that sports teams (at least for statistical analysis) are gravitating towards Macs
We have to do a lot of video editing, and there are some essential software that are Mac-only
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Like I know that Manchester City is entirely Apple-based
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I do a LOT of video editing
I just can’t imagine a mac comparing to my pc for shear power needed to edit videos.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Apple users just seem like suckers to me
“Apple products last for ever!” On 4th Iphone.
I did graphic design for 4 years so can understand their place. I understand why people like them but I will never be an apple user.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I've had an apple and now I have a toshiba
it’s hard to say which one I like better. Toshiba is way cheaper, and is built like a tank. you can throw it against the wall and its fine, whereas one measly fall off my bed killed my mac.
On the other hand, the toshiba does this amazingly annoying thing where the internet suddenly stops working and i have to restart the computer and spend 20 minutes fiddling around with the troubleshoot to get it working again. Give me a dell that doesn’t fuck around like that, and that’s definitely the best.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
my iphone on the other hand has withstood lots of damage
left it sitting in a puddle of water for an hour, dropped it on the ground and shattered the screen. still works fine.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
My iphone stopped working unless it was plugged in after about a year and a half
It wasn’t that the battery wasn’t charging, it would have a full charge and then get a false reading from the battery so it would shut off.
It broke at the start of a three week road trip. Lucky, I did something I almost never do I bought the apple care program with it. So when I found an apple store, they replaced it.
Grit != flat out sucking.
ugh. mine is doing the same thing.
I also bought apple care but it was when the iphone 3gs first came out…and i never activated it…
:(
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Is it wireless and is it windows 7?
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yup
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Our lap top did this at home.
Disable the home networking (I think is what they call it.) IIRC, it will show up under my computer. C drive, d drive, home network, etc. Something like that. Open it, and disable it. I haven’t had a problem since. I obviously can’t network it with my other computer, but it solved the wireless dropping issue.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
It may not be the same issue, though.
Here’s a rundown of what I ran into.
Basically, I had my desktop connected to the router, and homegroup wouldn’t let the laptop connect wirelessly. Don’t know if you may be running into the same problem or not.
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thanks
i changed it to public. i’ll see if that helps.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I've had my MacBook Pro longer than my Toshiba lasted (3 years) and it's running plenty fine, aside from battery life.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 23, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
macs break easier
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I broke my Toshiba (but had a warranty), but not my Mac
But I probably haven’t punished my Mac as much as the time I smashed the Toshiba.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
well those are wrong then
The casing around my toshiba is 3 times thicker than around a mac. I’ve dropped my toshiba off my bed multiple times and nothing happened, i dropped my mac once and the screen whited out.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure they conducted the "drop it off someone's bed" test.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well that's a pretty good test
if we’re talking physical damage.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
I also spilled soda all over the toshiba and it hasn't effected it
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
bought my Toshiba satellite in summer of 07 and it's still going strong
Of course it battery is pretty much toast, so I have to have it plugged in at all times.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 5:43 AM EST up reply actions
In terms of the computers and not the other accessory stuff,
I have both a mac and a PC desktop in my office for various work applications, and I’ve gone through a few of each the past 10 years or so. While the macs cost more, they’ve consistently been more reliable and secure, and things like setting up network connections and wireless, software updates, etc. are a million times (literally!! A MILLION TIMES!!) easier and more intuitive on the macs. I’ll take them over PCs in a second.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe because I am considered a power user
I guess if I had to use OSX I would just dual boot with a hackintosh
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
No, not really
I have built every computer I owned for the last 15+ years.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of OS X, on the current mac downside
OS X 10.7 has substantially slowed down my computer and caused me a number of other hassles as well. In the past I feel like the mac OS X updates have been more-or-less ready for primetime when they’re released, but this one has been a real hassle.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Doing a clean install did wonders
I had the same issue
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I need to do that on my computer when I have some time
It’s one of those things where I feel like I’m too busy to do it, but I know (or at least hope…) once I do it will make my life much easier.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't had a lot of problems with it
I’m on a four-year-old C2D imac. but mine is a clean install, if that makes a difference; I bought this used.
the new safari is a trainwreck, though. faster than chrome in my experience, but with as many tabs as I have up while I blog the random refreshing just isn’t worth it.
I don't understand this at all
I buy apple products because I believe them to be the best computers I can buy. I don’t believe they’re perfect, but as someone who’s used every windows release since 95 on a regular basis (I use windows 7 pcs every day) I find myself consistently able to get more work done in a more satisfying way.
if that stopped being true, I’d stop buying apple products—in fact, I’ve bought two phones in a row from hp/palm because I believed webOS was better than iOS, and I still do, though my next phone will have to be something else since it’s gone extinct.
but I can’t just act like windows PCs, with their janky trackpads and keyboards and subpar OS, would give me the same experience I get on macs. that’s not me being a sucker, that’s me valuing the things apple provides. if you don’t—if you’d rather have the additional specs—by all means, buy something else.
I'd never heard the word janky before
For better or worse, you’ve just added to my slang vocabulary.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
this is where branding comes in
“PC” is not a brand. Dell is a brand. HP is a brand.
Grit != flat out sucking.
"PC trackpad" is a class, not a brand
I’ve yet to use a good one, and all of them suffer from a jankiness that I feel can be generalized. I’ve used lots of them. if you can point me to one that’s as good as any on the current macbooks I’d love to try it out.
I've never used a trackpad, been a mouse guy from the start (mid-80s)
Love my wireless mouse that I bought a few months after I bought my current PC. All I know is, my wife and eldest, who both have macbooks, are constantly asking me, a PC guy, for help figuring out their computers. I have little to no issues with my 2-year old HP PC. Best computer I’ve ever had. There are things to like about the Mac, but I don’t think I’ll ever stop buying PCs. BTW, I can’t stand Safari. Both Mac users in my family downloaded Chrome on my recommendation after they complained about Safari, and seem to be much happier with it.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
apparently DanUp is a fan of iCarly
(Sadly it’s on at my house sometimes. I have kids.)
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I've never seen it
I’m strictly a pete & pete man.
though I did just write an icarly-related blog entry for the RFT’s music section…
I believe the Android team hired the man behind webOS
He was supposed to put a big footprint on Ice Cream Sandwich, but the results have been disappointing to the webOS fanboys I know.
I haven't used it myself
But most of my friends who have tried ICS have said that for every step forward it takes, it takes a step back somewhere else. Second-hand, obviously, so take that for what it’s worth.
I love it so far.
But I’m coming from a Blackberry Tour, so it’s like experiencing the wonders of technology for the first time ever.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
The iPhone did not come out until the second of my 2.5 years of law school.
So the iPhone did not hook many of us into Macbook usage. It seems the iPod didn’t, either. However, I think that the branding of Apple via the iPod, iPhone, and iPad have hooked a lot of people younger than me into Apple customers.
I have a Macbook and I like it but I also like my Droid phone, too. When I get my next laptop, it may or may not be a Mac. When I get my next mobile phone it may or may not be a Droid. It seems to me that a lot of folks my brother’s age and younger ONLY BUY APPLE (in all caps) whereas my contemporaries are more diverse in their laptop ownership. This is completely subjective, but it seems that way to me.
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Yeah I'm sure branding has a ton to do with it
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
to me the branding argument just sounds lazily counterfactual
apple has a reasonable argument at providing the best product in every segment it competes in. that’s why lots of people who’ve grown up with iphones they love and ipods they love might also find themselves loving macbook airs more than computers that run windows 7.
until they try to make it do something
that it doesn’t do right out of the box.
Grit != flat out sucking.
but if you don't need it to do anything else...
I’m not going to argue with personal preference.
Grit != flat out sucking.
this is true of the iphone, I guess
but what can’t you do with a macbook air that you can do with some other ultralight laptop out of the box?
lets say you have a company with 3000 retail locations
you need a program to manage pay, hours, sick-time, vacation time.
Employees will use this program to clock in. Managers must have the ability to edit these fields for their employees. District managers must have the ability to do this for all of their locations. HR for everywhere. Of course, this is either going to be done on a linux or a PC server. You’re not going to do on a MAC.
Then build a front end of the software for the end users. Good luck getting it to work on a MAC.
Companies tackle problems completely different than other companies. What works for one may not work for another. They need flexibility.
We do use Macs for video editing. I think our Marketing department also using Macs for add designs. They have their place.
But as a home user… I remote desktop client may be useful.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I don't know anything about how this works
tell me why item one and item two couldn’t be done on a mac. my immediate guess is because most of your end users are already on PCs. since OS X is a unix-based operating system I don’t see any inherent reason it couldn’t be done. of course, apple’s made no attempt at the server market in a while and you don’t buy a server for its UI or its industrial design anyway, so I’ll grant you the first point.
but the second point—why not go cross-platform? are you still married to visual basic or something?
I'm not a programer
It’s a lot easier to develop software for a PC than it is for a Mac. A lot of that is tied up into licensing and coding.
Apple isn’t after the corporate market yet. But it’s a big hurdle for them.
My example was just software. But there are cases where you want costume software to work with costume hardware. That’s not going to happen without throwing a lot of dollars at the problem.
Grit != flat out sucking.
It’s a lot easier to develop software for a PC than it is for a Mac
um.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i don't have any personal experience
one way or the other. but neither do you, it seems, so it’s strange you make such a strong claim.
i just know among my dev friends, cocoa and mac dev tools have a much better reputation than anything windows has.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Not being a developer myself
but being in the industry for 14 years now (holy shit i’m old) MAC hasn’t really ever been developer friendly. That combined with hardware cost have kept them out of the enterprise environment. Not the say that it wouldn’t change or can’t change.
Grit != flat out sucking.
perhaps for enterprise devs.
but i have no idea how you could look at the app store and the mac store and deem that mac isn’t dev friendly.
apple made smartphone apps “a thing”—they didn’t invent them but they made them the core part of ios—and are now applying the same model to the desktop space. i have many more options in terms of applications on osx than i did on windows.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
No way OSX has more application options than windows
Not even close. Now I could see Android vs Iphone be a little different. It is easier to program when you only have to worry about 4 different hardware setups.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but
but the huge majority of college kids and high school kids and people who don’t use their computers for anything other than internet and word get macs because they are a cool brand. they don’t do a cost-benefit analysis.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
when i was over with my son for the orientation for freshman year at SIU-E, telling us why they need some much money, but parents have no authority whatsoever re: information on how the student is doing seminars
there were apple sales/promotions/buy you computer here/now displays/salespeople everywhere
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't think it's branding
Then go look at an Apple store the day the product comes out. And wonder why all these people need the newest phone/whatever at $400/year, when it offers no new features for them.
So you're saying that branding had nothing to do with kids getting an iPod or iPhone before going to college?
Apple makes good products and also has good branding. I think the branding is the driving force behind a 12 year old getting an iPod and a 13 year old demanding an iPhone. Maybe they appreciate the operating system, maybe they don’t. But Apple is cool as a brand. The quality of the product may further set the hook for Macbook purchasing for college, but I don’t think one can ignore the branding.
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I don't think it can be ignored
but usually when people begin with branding as the reason for apple’s success the underlying insinuation is “and PCs are just as good anyway.” that strikes me as almost entirely false, and a nod at their marketing acumen is usually the back door through which that comes in.
I think it’s more important to apple’s success that they’ve made a number of outstanding products over the last 10 years—products that have recreated the markets in which they compete from scratch.
I think Apple products make a lot of sense for a lot of people
For their simplicity.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
and the fact that they liberate simple people from their money
works well for everyone involved.
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PC's are probably worse than Mac's
but they are also a lot cheaper. That has to be taken into account when discussing their value.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
i hate this false dichotomy.
macs are personal computers.
that aside, we’re talking desktops, i assume? because show me a laptop that’s equivalent to a macbook pro or a macbook air and doesn’t cost just as much money.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm talking laptops
And you misread my comment. I’m saying PC’s are worse and cheaper. Do you disagree?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, the comment was misdirected.
i just dislike the mac vs pc thing. a mac is a pc. it’s mac vs windows we’re talking about, really.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yeah sure, i was just use danups language
kill danup
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I could understand people buying mac laptops
I could never understand a person buying a mac desktop though. For the same amount of money you could have a PC that also dual boots into OSX and 3 times as powerful.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
when I had a $600 budget for a computer earlier this year it was worth it to me to get an outdated mac instead of a newer PC—this one—but I don’t expect that to be true for everyone. people have different needs, and that’s why it’s good there are now two healthy PC operating systems out there for consumers.
Branding seems like a massive part of it to me.
There was a huge class/status thing with having the ipod/iphone vs. the others among the high school students I taught, and I’m sure that is a part of the photo above. Now that said, of course the products are outstanding, and the branding wouldn’t work if they weren’t, but this doesn’t mean that branding isn’t also rather primary. If it’s lazy to dismiss things as branding, I think it’s naive to go too far the other direction.
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by a fink on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is what I was driving at regarding Apple products as status symbols for teens.
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thirded.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think you have that in reverse.
ipods and iphones wouldn’t have gotten enough of a foothold to be cool and set branding if they weren’t excellent products. It’s very tough to increase market share without providing a superior product, especially if you’re not undercutting the leading competitor’s price (which Apple clearly doesn’t).
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
My argument being that branding exists, but it's the quality of the product that is the driving force of Apple's increased popularity.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was feist
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
idk what that is.
I know Fruit Ninja always tries to load it on my Galaxy Nexus.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
It's a breed of hunting dog.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
? Then how is it relevant?
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I have know idea how that is relevant.
I was just telling you what a feist was.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, I know, I was hoping someone else would explain.
Rui helped out below. Thanks, Rui!
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
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Oh, that one. That makes way more sense.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
I will say that I find the iphone pretty great
but I recently got the new ipod nano (as a free replacement) and that thing sucks. With all the combined wisdom in Apple’s development team, no one thought, “Hey, isn’t it pretty stupid to put a touch screen on an mp3 player that is hardly bigger than a postage stamp?”
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
i would agree with all of this.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
you're required to buy a laptop
because they like to pretend they understand “new media” (they don’t.) at that point most people buy macs because journalism students are a mac-heavy demographic already.
for what it’s worth, all of my college friends were journalism majors, and so far as I can remember all of them used macs. one of them had a huge gaming desktop he built himself, too, but that was it.
while I'm at it
in my experience telling kids to buy a laptop and bring it to class is a terrible idea if you want them to pay more attention to your lecture. I’m teaching a creative writing class next year and anyone who brings a computer to class will be verbally abused.
i just used college ruled notebooks (one for each class)
and a good pen.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Yeah I never paid close enough attention when I took my computer to class
I got by my freshman and sophomore years because they were so easy, but I had a B in Stats for awhile because I was so distracted. Once I stopped taking my laptop to class, I learned so much more
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Would be nice if classes could somehow
Disable Wi-Fi inside the class room
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
In law school, I stopped using my laptop after my first year.
I only used a pad of paper and a pen. It caused me to be much more attentive in class. No reading Viva El Birdos, no MLB Gamecast, just lecture.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's a me issue.
But, I also bought into needing a laptop when I didn’t. There was no reason for me to own a laptop in law school. I’d have been much better off without one. It doesn’t help you in class at all. All it was for me was a distraction.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I almost never use my laptop anymore
Just when I need to do mobile computing and my tablet wont work
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I write almost every VEB post on my laptop.
And I write a lot of stuff for work on it, too.
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I prefer my desktop
And my mechanical keyboard. Clickty clank
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I've sworn off laptops
I like the extra screen real estate on this imac too much, and I don’t really go anywhere where I want to be on a computer. I might buy a tablet eventually, but it’s not a priority.
You can pick up a Nook Color for $139
They are pretty easy to root and put on Android 2.3
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I've tried android
I just don’t enjoy using it. I regret not being able to grab one of those $100 touchpads, though.
I guess
My step-mom had an Ipad and now has an Ipad 2. Not really a fan of either of them. She is getting ready to sell the Ipad 2. Apparently the lack of flash is enough of an issue for her.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
to clarify: i have an ipad 2.
i have never noticed the lack of flash support. it is literally a non-factor.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
she complains that she can't access all the web pages she wants to
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
is she going to ytmnd?
almost everything has a tablet friendly site. nothing of value is lost.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
most of my experience with flash is when I have too many VEB and sbn st. louis windows open
and my browser crashes. then I feel bad about the way I make my living.
who needs a living
when YOU’RE ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!
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by Tackle Box on Jan 23, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
High-res 15" MBP, suckas
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15in is so small
I have dual 24’ monitors.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
To work and travel with, the laptop is nice
I have a 24" monitor at work
It perfectly suits my needs
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dual 24 foot monitors.
awesome!
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- Jackie Brown
i think he may be talking about the lizards
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Jan 23, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ah
dueling 24 foot monitors……I’d pay to see that!!!
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i agree.
i only ever bring my computer to class if i want to jack around. it provides no educational value.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit
there are more people in that classroom than my entire graduating class
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
I'm guessing that's the first day of class in a freshman course for Journalism students
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That looks like that is at the business school though
I am pretty sure I took business law there
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
lol business at mizzou
/obligatory
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
it's a completely unfounded and lazy shot at you.
i’ll actually admit complete ignorance on mizzou’s business program. i have no idea the benefit or placement rate of their graduates.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
It was a good program
I just got burned out on finance.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
should have done marketing...
but not really.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
then you should have gone to everyone's favorite school.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I was very much set on going to Rolla.
Until I visited it. I saw like zero females the entire trip I visited. The weekend before I visited SLU and it was amazing.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
i would have gone to a jesuit school in a second...
had it not been for the price. whether it would have been SLU, creighton, or xavier was to be seen.
but rolla. just….yeah. all the rumors and stereotypes about it are 90% true.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I liked SLU but just wasn't a fit for me
Was really expensive for one. Purdue was my #1 choice. But I got better scholarships to Mizzou.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
At last check Mizzou and Rolla were almost identical on the engineering undergrad rankings
Not afraid to nitpick
You have less distractions at Rolla though
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding?
That Walmart is NUTS!
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Sonuva!!!
I went to Rolla back in the day when it was still called UMR, but I didn’t even get an engineering degree (started as ChemE but switched to biology). The only thing dumber than going there for an engineering degree is going there for a non-engineering degree (not really, and it’s worked out OK, but in retrospect my choice would have been different).
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Its ok, you went before it was cool,
ergo it was better.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
haha i'm going to let my brother know this...
except he’s on full ride and majoring in chemistry, so it probably doesn’t apply much.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit.
if i were a professor i wouldn’t deal with that crap.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that's actually the business school auditorium unless they made an exact copy for the new j-school
Not afraid to nitpick
And having spent quite a bit of time in that building
It’s probably 75-25 PC for b-school people. That must have been some elective Marketing For Morons class.
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by joker24 on Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm reccing this.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
100% facebook and computer games.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Just based on the idea that they're trying to get 10 yards on 3 plays (assuming they punt or kick a FG on 4th), you'd have to start at 2nd and 6.667.
Then consider the other factors, like the ones DanUp mentioned.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
First and ten seems more beneficial
I would think any team is likely to average more than 2 yards per play.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Except the Rams
Ba da bump!
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
From Advanced NFL Stats:
The article features a graph that addresses your question and this analysis of said graph:
We can see that the break even point for 2nd down is 5.5 yards. In other words, a team (whose purpose is to get a 1st town) should prefer a 2nd down and 5 to a 1st and 10, but it should prefer a 1st and 10 to 2nd and 6.
For 3rd down, the break even point is at 1.5 yards. A team should prefer a 1st and 10 to any other 3rd down situation 2 yards or longer. This was a little surprising to me. I expected the break even point to be around 3rd and 3 or 4.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
From that article
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so a down is worth about 20% probability on average
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
The chances of converting 3rd and 4 are probably around 60%...
unless Alex Smith is your QB. I would guess teams avoid a three and out more than 60% of the time.
Sign Roy O
I like how people temporarily forgot that Alex Smith sucks
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by joker24 on Jan 23, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this too
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know probability
but 2 and 8 is a clear passing down. Defensive adjust accordingly.
Grit != flat out sucking.
If a team averages 2 yards a play they are having a bad day
Nfl teams average 4-7 yards a play depending on the quality of offense (Cleveland or St Louis would be more like 4, Green Bay or NO would be like 7) so a two yard gain would be a huge win for a defense. To put in in perspective even though the slight majority of drives don’t score, less than 1/3 are a 3 and out even for the worst offense, if you gain two yards a play you would be punting on fourth and four or coming up two yards short going for it on every drive on average. If you ever even gain a first down let alone score, all those yards per play would have to be balanced out with a few godawful three and outs to keep up on that average. The ineptitude would be mind boggling. Considering the average length of an NFL play the answer should be 2nd and anything more than 4 should be even or a win for the defense but that is clearly a loss for the defense from a down and distance perspective. I think the equivelabt to a first and ten would be second and six and anything more than 6 is a win for the defense
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 23, 2012 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey, I typed this then saw bgh and rui's replies (they don't auto populate until I post or refresh on mobile)
And I hit the nail on the head. I feel good about myself now, go me!
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Way OT
College round bouncy ball, Mizzou #2 in both polls, KU #5 in both.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
If this has been mentioned, I apologize
But ZiPS are out for the Blue Jays. Just in case anybody was interested in what ZiPS projects for a certain center fielder (and Bautista too obviously).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Here:
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/oracle/discussion/2012_zips_projections_toronto_blue_jays
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Colby's projection looks a lot like his Bill James and Fans projections
but with a little less OBP and a little more power.
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Colby has a 105 OPS+, Jay has a 101 OPS+
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Hmmm,
would you take a 105 OPS+, or a 101 OPS+ coupled with two draft picks?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Yeah, but I'll take Jay and
the two picks over Colby’s likelyhood to reach his potential. I think he’s going to be a frustrating talent for a few organizations before he’s done playing.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Also, downside
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I disagree
Jay has more downside than Rasmus.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Both have downside. What makes you think Rasmus has less?
I’d say Jay’s average defense to Rasmus’s below-average defense gives Jay a bit of a safety net while Rasmus’s walk rate gives him a safety net on offense that Jay’s low walk rate does not.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm more convinced of rasmus's offensive superiority than jay's defensive superiority
and in general, given the volatility of defensive stats (and seemingly defensive performance), I’d rather have the guy with the offensive advantage.
Hmm,
so you’re taking a scout’s view of Colby’s offense, and a metrics view of Jay’s defense?
From a scouting perspective, I’ve heard nothing negative about Jay’s defense, but I’ve heard a lot about Colby’s inability to track the ball well and his poor jumps on the ball.
I think it comes down to this:
Do you date the super hot girl that may very well have a sneaky coke habit, or do you date the OK looking girl that you know is solid as a rock, but much less fun?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
The metrics favor Rasmus as well
And for all of the negative stuff about Rasmus’ jumps, he is far faster than Jay.
I guarantee any legitimate scout you talk to is going to favor Rasmus.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
After Pujols signing with the Angels,
and our reactions, I think it’s time we stopped analogizing personnel decisions to relationships with women. That fridge has been nuked.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Jan 23, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I missed most of those.
My apologies.
I just think that Rasmus is a scout’s dream. A complete toolshed (minus the BA), but Jay is about a two-tool player, however had more or less demonstrated a much better command of those two tools.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
That seems fair.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It depends on how hot and how bad/breakable the coke habit
We are measuring differences in numbers and projectability not just which number is bigger
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 23, 2012 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Super hot girl is never as much fun as ok looking girl in my experience
and in the rare instances where she is fun, she’s out of my league
Just win
I think the scout vs stats is better represented as
“Do you date the girl that you’ve heard is super-hot in bed, from what the couple of guys who have, erm, seen her play, have to say, or do you look her up on the internet…” And after that, it gets worse.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
by SleepyCA on Jan 24, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
First off
I disagree with your defensive assessment. If anything, I think Rasmus is the better defender. Jay’s career UZR/150 in the outfield is -3.0 in 1590 innings, and only half of those are in center. Rasmus’ career UZR/150 in the outifled is -2.4 3233 innings, and 95% of those are in center. The UZR’s don’t mean much given the sample size, but Rasmus is undoubtedly the faster player.
Jay’s career wRC+ is 112 with a .344 BABIP, Rasmus’ is 103 with a .298 BABIP. Jay has a lot further to fall. If his BABIP tanks to .267 like Rasmus’ did last year, he would have been far worse.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Watching Rasmus play CF, I truly feel like he got worse as he aged.
I also think Jay improved. That being said, Jay has a weak arm and is slower in terms of footspeed. So I understand what you’re saying.
As for BABIP, I didn’t do Rasmus’s xBABIP analysis but Jay’s discrepency is a lot lower than I thought it would be. Still, he is more dependent on BABIP luck than Rasmus due to the difference in the two players’ walk rates. Jay is like Schumaker and Theriot in this way.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I'm not sure how much trust I have in xBABIP for predictive purposes
I saw that you showed that Jay’s xBABIP was pretty good, but I still think for most players you should regress BABIP pretty heavily towards the league average. Jay only has 800 PA in the majors. I’m not sure what the regression rate is, but IIRC, you’re supposed to regress 50% at something like 1500 PA. So for Jay, you’d be regressing like 75%. Maybe you’d have a slightly higher mean because of his batted ball profile, but LD rate isn’t very predictive either.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I've been thinking of doing a post that gets into the guts of Jay and Freese's BABIP.
I just haven’t had time.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
this would be marginally more interesting than a penny pitch f/x
jk. i would actually love to see that investigated.
If you truly think that he got worse as he aged,
what would you attribute that to?
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I just meant that Rasmus's defense looked worse in 2011 to me than in 2009.
As for why that is, I don’t know. Maybe my observations are incorrect. Rasmus may not have been worse in 2011 than 2009. Maybe Rasmus was nursing an injury in 2011. Maybe he just had a really good defensive season in 2009. After all, players can have really good defensive seasons just like they can have really good offensive seasons. Maybe he just had a really bad defensive season in 2011 (flip side of the 2009 coin, in a way). Maybe he grew uncomfortable playing for La Russa and became gun-shy in the field. Maybe it’s a combination of all these things or some of these things. Maybe it’s something I hadn’t thought of. We don’t know and probably won’t know.
With what we know about defensive metrics, it takes about three years for them to even out, so to speak, in terms of refleting true talent. Looking at Rasmus’s UZR numbers, Rasmus posted a 9.2 UZR in 945.2 CF innings in 2009, a -6.7 UZR in 1,105.1 CF innings in 2010, and a -8.8 UZR in 1092.2 CF innings in 2011. This gives him a cumulative -6.3 UZR. I’d say it would be fair to declare him a below-average center fielder.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It is hard to tell what is going on with the players from this side of the internet/reality space-line
In a game where you are being paid such significant amounts of money, its hard to imagine players letting personal relationships get in the way of their basic production. It is also difficult to totally discount the human element of the game.
Its impossible to tell what the reason for Rasmus’ production, or lack thereof, is. I was interested to see where you fell on that, but you walked the line pretty well.
Without actually going back over and analyzing the facts, it seems to me that, if you went through the story of Rasmus in a production timeline (offensive and defensive) and in a personal timeline (much more difficult) separately, you could combine the two with non-insignificant correlations.
I’m not trying to say there is direct causation, but I guess I just don’t see how things can go from being so (seemingly) effortless to futile with no intermediate step.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Jay is a top ground ball hitter...
while Rasmus is a top fly ball hitter. Those things aren’t going to change…
Sign Roy O
Right, because most ground ball hitters have a ~.350 BABIP
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Jay was at 340
last year. I’m looking at players with similar batted ball profiles and 330 is about the norm.
Sign Roy O
Jay's career is .344
You’re going to have to verify that last statement.
There are ~170 players with 1500 PA over the past 3 years. about 20 of them have BABIP’s over .330.
I’ll give Jay a .315 BABIP for next year.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Jay has 826 PAs.
His LD% won’t stabilize until 930 PAs or so. In 2010, his LD% was about average. In 2011, it was above-average. For his career, it’s an above-average 21.2%. If he maintains a LD rate of about 21% and GB rate of about 52%, he would have LD and GB rates well above the league average. Paulspike ran the numbers from 2002 to present and the MLB average LD rate was 19.93% and the MLB average GB rate was 43.29%. (For comparison, in 2011, the MLB LD rate was 19.6% and the MLB GB rate was 44.4%.)
If Jay settles in at batted ball rates that much above average, there is no reason not to suspect a sustained BABIP that is above average. Now, maybe it will fluctuate between .320 and .350. This seems like a fair assumption. Which means Jay’s value will fluctuate as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Let's do a simple xBABIP calculation
Jay’s career LD, GB, FB is 21.2%, 54.2%, and 23.3%. League average BABIP on those types was .709, .236, and .138 last year.
Jay has 601 career balls in play. Do the math out and he should have a .310 BABIP. Now perhaps there are other factors that might explain his high BABIP – he has above average speed, and is a lefty – but he’s certainly gotten lucky so far.
Let’s say that you add .010 points to his xBABIP for those factors. So that would mean he’s been a .320 BABIP hitter so far. You still have to regress his batted ball rates. “stabilize” just means that you regress 50% to the mean (assuming your using Derek Carty’s system). Its unlikely that Jay maintains a 21% LD rate or a 52% GB rate.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
young and fast don't count twice
and he’s not that fast. lefties averaged .005 points better BABIP than league average last year. So I think .010 points is pretty reasonable.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Another big factor
Is infield flies. Which in most calculations get added into fly balls.
I can’t find where I sourced my numbers from this summer. But off my head Fly balls that don’t leave the ball park end up as outs 79%, while in field Flys are outs 97% of the time.
IMO
High LD% + Low IFB% = bases of maintaining a higher than average babip.
I don’t know how accurate xbabip is from separating the luck factor out of babip. But if you ask me it’s a whole lot better than just regressing down to league average.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Does Jay have a lower IFFB rate than average?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
According to stacorner, ML average is 7.3%
Jay has a ML career average of about 4.5%.
Also, fwiw, statcorner has Jay’s career ML BABIP at about .335, not the .344 that fangraphs has. Not sure what the source of the discrepancy is.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 23, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
ok, so Jay's had 140 FB in his career
2.8% of that is 4. So we’re talking 4 extra non popup fly balls, which is about 1 more hit.
negligible.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Also, you have to regress xBABIP as well
Because xBABIP is based off of highly unstable stats, such as LD%.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
so is babip
it still has a ton of noise in it
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
These are the top guys at avoiding fly balls...
Name Team GB% FB% LD% BABIP
Derek Jeter Yankees 62.4 % 18.6 % 19.0 % .336
Ichiro Suzuki Mariners 59.9 % 21.1 % 19.1 % .295
Elvis Andrus Rangers 55.8 % 21.1 % 23.1 % .312
Michael Bourn - – - 50.6 % 22.8 % 26.6 % .369
Emilio Bonifacio Marlins 53.1 % 23.0 % 24.0 % .372
Jon Jay Cardinals 54.2 % 23.3 % 22.5 % .340
Yunel Escobar Blue Jays57.2 % 24.7 % 18.2 % .316
Jason Bartlett Padres 51.2 % 25.3 % 23.5 % .291
Juan Pierre White Sox 53.0 % 25.8 % 21.1 % .294
Casey Kotchman Rays 55.8 % 25.9 % 18.3 % .335
Michael Young Rangers47.3 % 26.5 % 26.2 % .367
Howie Kendrick Angels 51.6 % 26.5 % 21.9 % .338
Jamey Carroll Dodgers49.9 % 26.6 % 23.5 % .332
Darwin Barney Cubs 48.7 % 28.1 % 23.2 % .310
Brett Gardner Yankees 52.3 % 28.3 % 19.4 % .303
Sign Roy O
that's not very systematic
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
thank you for you custom concern
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
that's also misleading as a single season sample.
I’m assuming those are 2011 numbers.
Jeter and ichiro have consistently the best BABIPs in MLB, with career numbers around .350. Their numbers are low this year for sample size reasons and because they’re getting old (for baseball players).
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by tom s. on Jan 23, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's just an illustration...
that guys with Jay’s profile regularly put up high babips. You can look at past years and it’ll be the same.
Sign Roy O
i did the league wide an'alysis
and guys with Jay’s batted ball profiles put up .310 BABIPs.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
left handedness is worth .005 points according to league average
Jay is not that fast, his speed doesn’t give him an extra .010 to -.015 points.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, with my tv on his back
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Try 26 year odl, 5'11", 200lb American
born and bred.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Or old, even
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Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever his dimensions and nation of birth,
he is not that fast.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A .315 BABIP with Jay's batted ball profile and power
plus average defense in CF is about a 2 win player I guess.
That’s more or less what I think Jay is, and I think most people here would agree (roughly) with that assessment. I think Colby’s better than that but the jury is out on how much; his numbers have been all over the place and seem so hard to project.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 23, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I agree with that
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
It would be nice if we had Jay's Hit F/X data,
so we knew what his average MPH off the bat is.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
While this is true, and it's a lot of talent
The sandwich picks have upside too, even if it’s even more volitale
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 23, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
At what point does someone quit talking about upside with a player
And say they never reached their potential?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 23, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
when that player is not 25 years old
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
So 24?
But seriously 26?
There is plenty of talk about his potential but he still hasn’t reached it.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 23, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say 2010 was pretty reached
and that’s the whole point of potential, it’s something you haven’t reached yet.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
He still had a 11.8 walk rate
And a .222 ISO.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
He's a great bounceback candidate
as long as he can learn to stop listening to his dad and start listening to his manager and coaches.
Grit != flat out sucking.
i don't really think that matters, but yeah, sure
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
hows this
going back to what I said about in field flies.
C.Rasmus
Line Drives:
2009 19.6 %
2010 19.4 %
2011 16.5 %
In field pop ups:
2009 5.3%
2010 5.2%
2011 15.5%
Walk rate:
2009 6.9%
2010 11.8%
2011 9.5%
His coaches believe his issues were with his approach. Both in St. Louis and in Toronto. In both cases his coaches have stated that he isn’t listening to them and is doing his own thing.
He is hitting less line drives, he is popping up more, and he is walking less. Two sets of major league coaches. (one had the best offense in the NL and one had the 5th best in the AL)
If Cobly continues to do what he did last year, he’ll continue to have the same results.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Could you fill us in on
what his Toronto coaches/front office were saying about him publicly?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
stop me if you heard this one before
Manager John Farrell said the Jays want Rasmus to stop trying to pull the ball on every swing. He needs to use the whole field and refine the timing of his leg kick, which serves as the trigger for his swing, Farrell said.
Even after a reporter told him what Farrell had said, Rasmus insisted he was "not working on anything."
Not finding nearly as much on google now as when the story broke. But that’s the jest of it. The Jays want Rasmus to stop trying to pull everything. Rasmus was unwilling to change during the season.
Also, there were reports of them wanting to change his swing mechanics and get rid of the leg kick.
We’ll see how he does next year.
Grit != flat out sucking.
You don't think fucking with his game is a bad idea?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
i think it's bad form to contradict your manager
publicly, and say that despite your well documented struggles you are not working on anything at all.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
agreed
but what should he do? fake work on it?
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
nope
Guy had a .302 wOBA. All year he had someone screaming at him (TLR, and later Farrell) to stop trying to pull the ball. He didn’t.
So again, if he continues to try to just pull the ball I’ll continue to expect him to put up a .302 wOBA
Grit != flat out sucking.
that's ridiculous
he put up a .370 wOBA the year before with the same approach.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
with a ridiculous .354 babip
which was 60 points higher than any other year of his career. (pro and minor league)
Pitchers adjusted. Cobly didn’t.
Grit != flat out sucking.
He also had a ridiculous .267 BABIP last year
So, he’s not going to continue a .302 wOBA if he doesn’t change his approach.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
poor colby
he finally gets to jose bautista’s team and he’s still not allowed to pull everything.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd take the 101 in that scenario
but I think the allure of rasmus is his potential for exceeding that number.
zips’s ODDIBE thing gives him a 20% chance of excellent performance and a 23% chance of very good, compared to jay’s 12/19.
I was going to ask if that's the way to look at upside here.
46% Rasmus
31% Jay
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Yeah, I get that.
In about 10 years, it will be an interesting discussion of intangibles about Colby. If he ever does develop, I believe a lot if it will be attributed to a newfound maturity, eliminating his poisonous father from his game, a new hitting coach, etc….
If he never does develop, rumors will swirl about immaturity, daddy issues, etc…. for the rest of his life.
Related to the Eckstein story from the other day, Colby could very well be a case study in how intangibles can make/break a ball player.
Of course by then, we will have statistics that measure that sort of thing.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Poor Mark Mulder will never get away from being compared to Danny Haren here, either.
Jay and Mulder are victims of circumstances beyond their control.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the good news for jay is that for 90% of the cardinals fanbase
being compared to rasmus has only made him more popular.
yeah he's like the guy who date Jennifer Aniston after John Mayer
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Gerald Ford dated Jennifer Aniston?
Atta boy!
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
Hello Jennifer. My name is Gerald Ford.
Do you like football? And beer? And nachos?
Would you like to come over to my house to watch some football, and drink some beer, and eat some nachos?
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by mattybobo on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I see what you did there
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by peppermartin on Jan 23, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
And won a WS ring, while John Mayer was shipped to Canada.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
that's true
The loudest cheer at the Bangles@Rams game I went to came when they showed Jon Jay on the jumbo-tron.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Options
- Cheer Rams
- Cheer Bengals
- Cheer Jon Jay
Gotta go with Jon Jay there.
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One is a world champion (I would have enjoyed telling this joke more if the Giants didn't knock my team out last week)
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 23, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would've been more than happy to cheer for the Bangles, though.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 23, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine the loudest cheer of any Rams game would be when they show any Cardinal (past or present) on the jumbo-tron.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
most amusing typo of 2012!
Who would win a Bangles-Rams faceoff? For one, there aren’t enough Bangles to play a full field, so I’d sugest they get the help of the go-go’s on offense, and that bananarama, soft cell, and a-ha should play defense.
With that lineup, I think the Bangles-led supergroup football team wins by 10 points.
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by tom s. on Jan 23, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
nicely done
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 23, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
the games would be worth watching merely for the "walk like an egyptian"-themed
touchdown dances.
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Insufferable? That's a bit harsh. They weren't here to cause no trouble.
They were just here to do the Super Bowl Shuffle.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Jan 23, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The Shiva Bowl Shuffle?
Long live the terrible reign of Ruxin!
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
That's a very true statement.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
rasmus is projected at .250/.322/.454, for an OPS+ of 105.
that’s down from .262/.341/.443 (110) in the 2011 ZiPS.
that brett lawrie projection is scary. the brewers are going to regret that trade in a hurry.
Jay projects for a 101 OPS+
About equal defense between the two as well
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Twitter
Projections don't take into account scouting base
Rasmus appears to be much more talented than Jay. Also, I question the ZIPS projection for Jay as it doesn’t seem to be regressing his BABIP very far.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Lawrie's projection, for the lazy
.275/.333/.498, 27 HR, 24 SB, and second base eligibility in fantasy baseball.
by mojowo11 on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
2011 fWAR
Shaun Marcum: 2.7
Brett Lawrie: 2.7 (in 43 games)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Lawrie led all AL rookie hitters in fWAR
In just those 43 games. Which is pretty darn crazy, really.
Without looking at the numbers
I’m gonna complain about the Cardinals FO and/or the projection system right now.
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Oh my goodness Brett Lawrie
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Twitter
Wait, Edwin Encarnacion is good again?
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Twitter
yeah I was surprised to see that. he's got the most awkward skill-set in baseball
he’s a terrible defensive third baseman who can’t hit well enough to make up the difference or be a satisfying DH. I feel like he has to be good enough to do something, but I don’t know what that is except frustrate teams without a third baseman.
Can he play 2B?
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...but he'd still do it.
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by TBender on Jan 23, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that a rhetorical statement?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
that was my response.
It’s a good thing casey mcgehee was so good they didn’t need lawrie.
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by tom s. on Jan 23, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
bwahahahahaha
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
The Rays' ZiPS also came out recently
Their whole team can practically hit at least a little above average.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Darren Oliver (buzz?) projects really, really, really well for a 41 year old
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Twitter
I remember his days
in our starting rotation.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Dickson, Breechen, Oliver, and Pollet.
What a rotation!
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Sounds like a shitty personal injury law firm.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 23, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
it would be interesting to figure out which starting rotation most "sounds like a shitty personal injury law firm"
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that is a good one!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I think the contest just ended.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I was think Pittsburgh would have a good one...but I don't know their rotation.
Texas Rangers (2011 version):
Wilson, Holland, Harrison & Lewis.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
gosh, those are generic
love it! pitt is karstens, correia, morton, mcdonald (alt: bedard).
by hr on Jan 23, 2012 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bonus points for identifying which partner gets stuck handling divorce work
when they can’t get drum up enough personal injury cases.
beckett, bucholz, oswalt, and lester.
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by tom s. on Jan 23, 2012 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Beachy, Hanson, Hudson, & Lowe
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Tomko, Fassero, and Wells
(they sucked at pitching, I assume they’d suck at personal injury law as well)
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
what the hell was bill james thinking leaving off the Carp vs Halladay duel??
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions
seems kinda pointless to write the whole thing and not include the best one of 2011
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's a KC guy, right?
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by peppermartin on Jan 23, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather sign Cole Hamels after 2012.
If we’re giving contracts to free agent pitchers that are 5+ years in length and worth over $100 million…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
lefty!
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Lincecum is way cooler
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
this
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
But his slight build and funky delivery make me less excited about giving him 5 or more years than Hamels. I’d be nervous about signing either to such a deal, but I’d be much more nervous about signing Lincecum to one.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Some would say his delivery decreases his chance of injury
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Twitter
Some say
his delivery is used by NASA scientists to send men to Mars
and Some say he has no concept of the letter ‘D’.
All we know is, he’s called the STIG! FREAK!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Top gear reference. Nice
I love how they killed off the stig and then brought him back
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 23, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
What a surprise. British guy referencing Top Gear.
Was funny though cause I thinking, before seeing the last line, this sounds like Top Gear, looked who posted, figured it out, then saw last line
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 23, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone knows. But it's such an unusual body type I think people are expecting the risk to be much higher or much lower than normal.
Nobody seems to think it’s approximately the same.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't Lincecum have perfect mechanics by all accounts?
Also, he’s naturally flexible which probably helps to reduce injury risk.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Lower body, yes. Upper body, no.
He’s got an Inverted L and a timing problem, and I’m worried about his shoulder.
An 8 year deal would be insane.
Boog would have made that play.
It's insane for any pitcher
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not that a 21 year old could ever be a free agent...
but if Matt Moore were declared a FA would he get 8/120? How about Lincecum after his rookie season?
Sign Roy O
naturally flexible doesn't prevent injury
it leaves you more succeptible to certain types of injuries due to stability issues.
My friend works in a sports med clinic with a mechanics expert that says Lincecum is destined for back problems. Not to take anything away from our resident experts, but this guy has major leaguers seeking him out for his rehabilitation program, so I put a little extra stock into what he has to say.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Because he is short
Or how he throws? Because isn’t Carlos Martinez rather short also.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly doesn't seem relevant to tendonitis, etc.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
weed keeps you loose
it’s also medicianal
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Jan 23, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
his velocity has decreased 1.5 mph over the past two seasons.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Hamels's or Lincecum's?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
lincecum's.
i have no confidence in the guy moving forward.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
that's not a very big drop for a pitcher
His xFIP/FIP have barely gotten worse.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
OF COURSE vep thinks this
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
what is the rotation looking like in 2014?
obviously Shelby Miller, but who else?
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah Garcia
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hello.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
duh
wasn’t sure that he’d still be under contract
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ok.
He’s a Free Agent in 2014 currently.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Prjected Shelby Miller starts in 2014:
162 GS, 110-34, 1.14 ERA, 1000 K/214 BB
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
poor catcher's hand
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
162 starts?
So, we don’t make the playoffs?
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
How'd he get 18 NDs if he completed EVERY GAME!?
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't specify complete games.
GS = Games started.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jan 24, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
I'm adding the CGs thing to further the joke.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
why not just make it 1.11 ERA while we're projecting? Maybe they make the pitching mounds flat
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 5:59 AM EST up reply actions
If we're only going with people under contract
Probably Garcia, Shelby, Lynn, Rzepcynski, Gast?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I think he's the type of guy that needs more seasoning than less
He hasn’t been to AA yet… so that’s why I left him off
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I was thinking that maybe
he would turn out to be a 37 year old man named Juan Alberto Castillo, thus will be 40 and out of baseball by the time 2014 rolls around.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
yeah his flavor is a bit bland.
he could really benefit from simple seasoning salt.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
ROSENTHAL
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Man
i wish someone had his regular and postseason stats in an easily accessible place…
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Noooooooooooooooo
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal?
I don’t think he’s tall enough to be a reliable starter
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by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Waino-Miller-Garcia-Martinez-Lynn-Rosenthal
with Jenkins knocking on the door. Given the bust rate of these guys we could definitely stand to sign a big name FA.
Sign Roy O
Another entry
While we Cards fans may not have like the result, I think Game 2 of the World Series was at least in the top 100 pitching duels.
#givelancechants
26 days till P&C Report
I’ll be watching this every day until then.
by dan on Jan 23, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Waino's already there.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
saw Freese tweet that today
that goes up there with the Dark Horses video, imo.
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Seriously Mo....sign Oswalt
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I know
Right?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Jan 23, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sickels says we have the 5th best farm system
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Rest of the NL Central looks pretty sketchy
Pittsburgh at #12, then everyone else is 20+.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Brewers liquidated the system to win in 2011...
Reds doing the same for 2012. If the Cardinals win both years while emerging with a top 5 system… that would just be epic.
Sign Roy O
don't forget...
while losing one of the best players ever!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i would schadenfreude all over myself
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hadn't realized just how much the Brewers gave up
I figured Houston would be last in the division but they’re a few spots ahead of Milwaukee by Sickels’ reckoning. Plus, Houston just signed this guy:

by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oops - not meant to inject politics in here
I just saw a post related to those photos at the Yahoo baseball blog and thought it was amusing.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Dean Stockwell?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
The only player ever to homer in the Congressional baseball game.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Nice.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
even then he was in favor of the gold and orange and red standard.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 23, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd despite the politics.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
do it and a do it and a do it again
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
quick, stat nerd people
Say a guy I know has a job that requires people to come in and see him. The average time to get in to see him is 24.49 days with a standard deviation of 20.8. Under normal distribution, what percentage of people would fall within one standard deviation of the mean? Also, can you figure out what percentage see him within 14 days?
Asking for a friend. . . and the sample size is 922, if that matters to anyone
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Isn't the typical number that falls within one SD about 66%?
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by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, 95% for two sds and 99% for three
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
so can you infer a certain percentage that would be within 14 days?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I have schoolwork I need to do
and my statistics is a bit rusty. Hopefully someone can help you
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by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
assuming i'm using my excel functions right
about 50%.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
my friend appreciates it
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
actually scratch that, the number is about 30%
I misunderstood what you meant by within 14 days.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah 50 made no sense lolzies
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i thought he meant within 14 days of the mean, on either side
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
yep.
and 3 in a million for six
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
"six sigma" quality programs...
aim to have no more defects than six standard deviations in a normal distribution. this boils down to roughly 3.4/million.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but it doesn't--in form--at all follow from the previous comments.
66% within one σ
97% within two σ
99% within three σ
three in a million for six σ
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I WAS LAZY OKAY
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
95% is also the range of 2 s.d.'s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Standard_deviation_diagram.svg
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
It's been too long since I was in a statistics class to remember
that’s what I use VEB for.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i can do this when i get home.
hopefully someone will help you before then, though.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
By my calculation, about 31% of folks would have a wait time of 14 days or less
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 23, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the help, VEB
I knew I could count on you! Also, I hope the robot comes through and sees this thread and does his little “helpful/not helpful thing” because most of these posts were helpful
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
not helpful
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's a gigantic standard deviation
Are you sure that’s not a typo?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
It does seem pretty damn high
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by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
nope
I thought maybe it was a sample size issue. Previous years data has a mean of 19 with a standard deviation of 32 but the sample size is only 297.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yeah, there's no way the distribution could be normal if that's the case
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
in fact, it definitely isn't normal in the original example either
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Since it's bounded by 0 days, yeah?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
well, obviously it isn't a normal distribution
but, it works for making a judgement on the percentage of people getting in to the clinic in what has been determined to be a timely manner.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
unless some people are waiting negative days.
they travel back in time to see him, right?
note: this is a silly comment containing bad math
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
timecop
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Chinese New Year
I just realized today is the beginning of the Chinese New Year. I just ordered some stuff from Hong Kong. It is going to take so long to get it now. They essentially shut down over there.
And 2012 is ....
The Year of the Berk ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 23, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Note the high quality

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by a fink on Jan 23, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Hey - this calendar end with 2005!
Did the world end? Is this blog just a figment of my spiritual consciousness?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 23, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT IF THE CHINESE WERE RIGHT
AND THE WORLD ENDED IN 2005
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by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
So how about adding a Cardinal
and a Carp ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
I would be honored to be born in the Year of the Berk.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
So, this has probably been covered already
but what the hell are the RedSox doing trading Marco Scutaro (an above-average shortstop signed for only $6m next year) for ex-Cardinals alumnus Clayton Mortensen? If we’d known they were basically salary dumping the guy, do you think we’d have maybe offered up, I dunno, Joe Kelly or Brandon Dickson or something for him?
Seems a strange trade for a potentially competitive team, especially as they just traded away the only other shortstop on their roster to Houston about a month ago (assuming Nick Punto can’t really play there full time anymore). Very unimpressed with Mr Cherrington so far.
Still bitching to contact.
I'm just guessing, but I assume the move is to clear money to get some pitching help
Their rotation was a disaster last year. You’d have to think they’re pushing hard for Oswalt.
So who wins tonight?
Blues or Redwings?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm glad it's on
Versus NBCSports. I’ve got it set on the DVR.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
red wings
we don’t beat them. ever.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
The home team has won every game in the series so far...
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 23, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
so i take it blues won last night
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
If I had to list franchises I hate it would go something like
1) Cubs
2) Red Wings
3) Red Sox
4) Patriots
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I actually enjoy the cubs franchise
in the sense that they should compete with us every year but they rarely do
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
No Yankees?!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
list
1. Cubs
2. Patriots
3. Red Sox
4. Yankees
5. Bears
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 23, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
eh, if its HATE, then:
1.) Patriots
2.)Red Wings
3.)Red Sox/Yankees
The Cardinals have won 2 World Series and are generally awesome, I enjoy pitying Cubs fans more.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
in your lifetime?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 6:08 AM EST up reply actions
patriots
reds
brewers
red wings
seahawks/49’ers
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
1) Reds
2) Yankees
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
does KU count as a franchise? No....I guess not
in which case my list looks a lot like yours.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Pros only would be
1. Patriots
2. Red Sox
3. Cubs
4. Reds
5. Seahawks
Dont care enough about NBA or NHL to put any team in there
Franchises I hate
1) San Francisco Giants
2) Minnesota Twins
3) Astros
This is based on the 1987 postseason and the 2000-2006 seasons.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hmmm
1) Vikings
2) Red Sox
3) Bears
Yeah, I should probably stop there.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
...
1. Red Sox/Yankees
2. Cubs
3. Brewers/Reds
4. Patriots/Broncos
by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
list
- Yankees
- Redsox
- Reds
- Brewers
- Cubs
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I recommend buying pc laptops every 2 to 3 years
Dont spend more than 700 or so. I do audio and video editing on them they work fine.
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 6:21 PM EST via Android app reply actions
last one I got was a sony vaio for 400
best deal ever.
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
no thanks.
lincecum:

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Jan 23, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Think of how chill the rotation would be
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by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Lincecum had a 3.3 xFIP last year
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Lincecum doesn't throw hard anymore, but it doesn't really matter
He reinvented himself already. When he came up, he didn’t even have a changeup. Now he has maybe the best one in the majors, which has helped him stay effective even in the low 90s.
Why would you say that?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 23, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Asuming one has an idea for a blog that would get steady traffic
How does one go about making money with a blog
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 6:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
advertising, unfortunately
and lots of search-engine optimization. as long as search is the dominant form of internet discovery and google fails to deal with content farming the incentives for content creation are skewed toward rapidly posted, ephemeral, lowest-common-denominator garbage.
a few bloggers have managed to build their own personal brand through being excellent writers and self-promoters, but that’s harder.
So it takes work outside just writing well and often
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
give it a go.
if you write well and often, especially if it’s a niche that has not yet been exploited, you can do quite well for yourself. look into the two ad systems i mentioned above.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yeah, I agree with this too
if I sound excessively pessimistic it’s because I think for-profit blogging has taken a bunch of dangerous turns away from human readability that I’ve had to deal with because I don’t have any other skills. but if this is something you’d also enjoy doing as a hobby, and something you’d take a pride of ownership in as you tried to grow it etc., you should absolutely do it.
feel free to e-mail me if you have any blogging-related questions.
writing well and often is important
but if you’re going to do the whole thing yourself SEO and site design and what kind of advertising etc. will be equally important.
To make money blogging
It helps to write about a very niche market
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Like alcooholic Cardinals fans?
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by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Think sports injuries would be nice enough?
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think so
there aren’t a lot of people specializing in that but there’s both a ton of search traffic on “[player name] injury” and a good chance of getting direct traffic too.
*niche
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 7:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You have a ready-made advertising source -
Betting sites.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 23, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Dilbertfiles.com
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Next question
Are there any well done, all-encompassing sports injury blogs out there?
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I haven't read one, but that sounds pretty interesting
I’m kind of surprised sb nation hasn’t created one yet.
not that i know of. will carroll is the "injury guy" but he left bp a while back
and does not release regular articles on the topic any longer, at least none that are posted for mass consumption.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Your blog's Twitter handle can be @REALinjuryexpert.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 23, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
will carroll's account isn't even verified
how can we be sure who the real injury expert is until twitter weighs in?
I probably wouldn't read this
But it would be a nice place to be able to go.
Even better if you can include some decent injury history type stuff for players.
Last question:
Scoot, hazel and anyone with web design experience, do you want to start a sports injury blog with me?
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 23, 2012 6:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Question for the doctors
How bad for your health is it to skip breakfast and lunch and not usually eat until about 6 at night after waking up at 7 in the morning? Any serious long-term damage that could potentially be done by this habit?
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 23, 2012 7:15 PM EST reply actions
well i'm not a doctor but would think eventually that will fuck your metabolism all to hell
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
are you wasting away?
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't seem like it
Have had a bit of a problem sleeping but have felt great. Hunger hasn’t even been unbearable.
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 23, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
are you trying to lose weight?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
No
Started from having pneumonia and not really being able to keep any food down, now pneumonia is gone though haven’t quite felt right since it.
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 23, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
sorry to hear that
but in relation to the healthyness of your diet, goes against everything I’ve ever heard, which you can take with a grain of salt. One bit of advice I did get that makes sense though and seems to help is making sure you drink water throughout the day.
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Do do this.
Very good about taking in fluids throughout the day. Plus, it’s growing my bladder!
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 23, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm at the end of my rope. I'll let the docs weight in
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry about it
you’re actually dead and you just haven’t figured it out yet. What you call “eating” is actually just a strong memory of what it’s like to eat. You’re a ghost. Go with it.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I usually skip breakfast but by noon I'm freaking starving!!
I don’t know how you do it, you must have an even slower metabolism than I do
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I could save so much money doing this
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I saw a study about this a while back.
The study is from the Journal of Nutrition. In the study, from what I gather, they tracked the body composition for different groups of people. Those that ate breakfast and stopped eating at 7 pm lost muscle, while those that skipped breakfast and ate after 7 pm lost body fat, but and sometimes gained muscle. I haven’t read through it, but have read some excerpts from it, so read it before you take too much meaning from it.
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
that is counter intuitive
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
For the sake of counterpoint,
Skipping breakfast and its affect on lifestyle/cardiovascular risk.
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Jan 24, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Damn
Link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11725527
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Jan 24, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
This one is a study on kids/adolescents
conducted from 1999-2006 that assesses the nutrient intake profile and weight/BMI of kids who skip breakfast vs. those who eat RTE (ready to eat) cereal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20497776
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Jan 24, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I grew up big
and have lost about 80 pounds, gained some back, did it all ag
by openside on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
screaming in frustration
Android. anyway, the best thing for me is 3 small meals with protein supplements in between. No one is alike, if it works and is good for you go balls out.
by openside on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This seems possibly more relevant, but I'd still be careful about drawing meaningful conclusions.
It doesn’t measure what they eat the rest of the day. It just seems like the breakfast skippers probably pig out the rest of the day, something that doesn’t have to be done just because you skipped breakfast.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
This one doesn't seem to apply as well,
since, for someone determining whether or not to change their consumption patterns, some of the other behavior they mention being related to skipping breakfast is independent of that decision. It’s not as though if cardswsbound decides to stop eating breakfast, he will also start smoking or drinking heavily.
Not meant as a criticism of l&t for posting the link, which I appreciate. It just struck me as odd that the researchers would make it sound as though the behavior is related or connected in some way in their abstract. It seems very plausible that the high blood pressure and other heart disease risk factors have more to do with the smoking and drinking, which don’t seem to be directly related to skipping breakfast. Correlation, but not causation.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. Definitely a correlational study
Just did a quick search of pubmed, didn’t have time to thoroughly read the papers. Just read the abstract and results. I figured the nice thing about posting pubmed links is that it pulls up articles related to the topic, so if he were to check out the article he’d also find a bunch of related resources.
Al: You know what they call a butterfly without wings Dan?
Dan: ...What, Al?
Al: A Butter-walk!
Dan:..........
by liars&thieves on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it looks like the Astros will likely be changing uniforms & team name
I’m guessing “Oilers” wouldn’t make the list?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
might as well
Houston isn’t shooting astronauts into the sky anymore.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jan 23, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that article sounds like going to a Astros game is about as expensive as going to a Grizzlies game
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
except the grizzlies are better!
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 23, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
haven't' been but am planning to go this summer, as well as going to more cards games
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
You really should go to a few Billikens games too.
Chaifetz is rockin’, especially against the big A-10 teams like Dayton, Xavier, Temple…
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
Baseball?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, I read that as Memphis Grizzlies
/face palm
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
But the Grizzlies don't play the St. Louis Cardinals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Neither will the Astros in another year.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
A fact that does not change how cheap the ticket prices are for 2012.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Houston Carneys
to match the stadium.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 23, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that ramp in center field is so desperate for attention
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Now that you mention it, Houston fans do smell like cabbage
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 23, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
That's the wind blowing into town from Pasadena, Baytown, and Texas City
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
probably not the best of moves
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
but then again
LHC might create a whole new business for space travel if it can create new ways of propellent
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
the Houston Robot Mars Drones!
embrace the new, less sweepingly ambitious but still scientifically valuable, space age!
Bud Adams still owns the Oilers name.
It will be a cold decade in hell before he let’s anyone else ever use it.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Too bad - it would have been awesome to have Daniel Plainview as their mascot
I’VE ABANDONED MY LEAGUE!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 23, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Android rec
2011 - Year of Our Berk
by spants on Jan 24, 2012 8:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Bud Adams hates Houston.
and the word hate is not strong enough to convey his feelings towards this city.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Miami Astros of Houston
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
OT - does anyone have a good jpg or other image of furcal in the winning WS "rockstar" moment?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
You must not mean

this one.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
or

this one
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I still have to give props to sheckie for the Columbia front page version of this one
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
you bastard
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, with me mostly absent and Y2S completely gone nowadays, who's the token SBN searcher?

Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
come back, y2s
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jan 24, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yes! come back!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 6:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
y gone
urg
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
that is nice but I'm looking for a nice picture instead of the .gif, but thank you anyway
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 6:15 AM EST up reply actions
Since the SBN search remains broken, this seems a moot point.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Jan 24, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
correct. I refuse to search.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jan 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but he's a highly skilled creepster.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
is there even any interest in trying to fix it? I realize you do not run SBN but thought you might have more insight than the common VEBer
It would seem, a website would fix a basic function (not saying it’s easy) but have a working search function is a pretty basic expectation isn’t it? I would especially think so with this being a research centric group of folks.
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
theatrical vs director's cut
Looking for some new movies. What movies improve the most by a director’s cut? Of all the movies I have seen Kingdom of Heaven is the biggest jump in quality I have seen. I am looking for another movie like that.
there's one version of bladerunner out there that has like 5 different versions of the movie
I liked the LOTR extended films. other than that I am blanking. I need to buy a good dvd/bluray shelving system
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I've always wanted to try the Memento easter egg that plays the movie chronologically
but I never get around to it. not to meniton, I think I loaned it to someone who never returned it.
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I know they did something similar with the show lost
They recut the show to play chronologically
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
The only difference I really remember from the extended LOTR films is
That you find out Aragon is like 85 years old
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
there's actually quite a bit of extra stuff but it is very seamless
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
87, I believe.
Born March 1, 2931 TA. As Strider, meets up with Frodo and other hobbits Sept. 29, 3018.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Apocolypse Now redux.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The movie Payback
The theatrical vs director’s cut are completely different movies
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Just watched this again (or most of it)
late last night/early this morning. Not sure if it was director’s cut, tho, as it was on some cable channel. Pretty good flick. Try the LOTR movies.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Are you saying the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven was actually good?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
It is one of my favorites
It actually makes sense
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I now have the new version of firefox which easily allows me to blow up webpages ... reading fangraphs articles is so much easier!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
Book it: Hamilton signs with Anaheim next offseason.
Richard Durrett @espn_durrett
Josh Hamilton not worried about any contract stuff now. Still has spring training as deadline.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Hamilton in left
Bourjous in Center
Trout in Right?
They could probably let Hamilton play rover behind second base and let Trout and Bourjous play the alleys and still not have to worry.
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
The owner apparently prefers Hamilton to Fielder
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 23, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why are there so many empty seats at Joe Lewis?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 7:43 PM EST reply actions
Home ice is big.
Blues home-ice record is 21-3-3
Detroit is 19-2-1
Most of the top teams have a big home ice advantage.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
go blues!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 23, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I never understood how how court/ice advantage can have such an affect
When they are they exact same dimensions. Baseball I could see but not basketball or hocket
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Human beings play these sports...
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
real live breathing penis-having human beings
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
The warm glow of the fans' adoration.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
i would think after a few years in the league
Fan noise would almost be a non-factor. Seems like you would just block it out
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
(kidding)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Most of it is referee bias
Soccer has a big split as well. Most of the calls are fairly subjective calls anyways, and when you have lots of people yelling at you to call one way, it has a subconscious effect I think
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Jan 23, 2012 8:02 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This seems to be true in basketball
Refs always seem to be biased in fouls against the away team.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah no doubt
basketball foul calls are so incredibly subjective, almost always both teams fans think they got screwed.
i just don’t know enough about hockey to see why home ice would matter
In hockey in particular
boards and glass matter a bit, too – how “springy” the boards are or how seamless the glass is.
Mike Babcock not a happy hockey coach.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions
Holy shit, Chris Stewart dishing it out.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 8:10 PM EST reply actions
I like how they kept talking about Stuart
Without even realizing how confusing it was considering the other guys name is Stewart.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bernie Miklasz @miklasz
About Chris Stewart: Brendan Shanahan will probably announce 3-game suspension before 2nd period. #NHLRuleDoNotTouchRedWings :)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
god I love youtube (minus the comments)
already up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXkoaqOVdqc
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
How weird is it to get married with no wedding
My buddy and his long time GF just got married. He got married while on vacation. He never really even told anyone either after the fact.
my friends just went down to the cook county courthouse got married there
then had a few friends over to their apartment. later they did have something for the families but it wasn’t anything elaborate.
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
and btw they have been married for a while now and have a son
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's unusual, but not "weird"
Most of the popular traditions surrounding marriage are, well, just traditions. There’s no real reason to get expensive rings, no real reason to have an enormous ceremony, no real reason you have to take a dedicated we-just-got married vacation right afterward (i.e. the honeymoon), no real reason to have the party with a DJ and whatnot.
Most people like some or all of that stuff, but from a practical perspective, the certificate is the only thing that ACTUALLY matters.
I’d be willing to guess that making less of a big deal of it all becomes more common the longer the couple has been together. Once you’ve been going for five years or whatever, the reality is that you’re probably already living together and have that married-couple practical and emotion co-dependence. Making a big (and expensive) deal out of something that won’t change your lifestyle much probably stops making sense for a lot of people at that point.
Then again, I don’t really know what I’m talking about.
I can dig it
I believe there’s a direct correlation of the amount spent on a weddings to the odds of that marriage actually being successful – especially in an era where the average personal savings rate is negative.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 23, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
direct correlation meaning more money spent, higher odds of success
or inverse correlation meaning more spent, less odds of success?
I’d be surprised to find any correlation
Just win
more spent, higher success...
if the person spending can afford it. Because not having money is one of the most stressful things in the world…
We wanted to throw a hell of a party, and we accomplished that. But compared to the norm, our wedding was pretty cheap. But we didn’t skimp, just proper planning and did away with the parts we didn’t feel were important.
(also, helps that the bride wanted a ruby ring instead of a diamond.)
Grit != flat out sucking.
I doubt that spending more money would correlate with higher success
Unless maybe the shotgun weddings in shitty little Vegas chapels count as low-cost weddings.
There’s an argument to be made that when people have modest weddings, it’s indicative that they’re more focused on the relationship than the label, I think. Still, ti would be interesting to see some data.
arguement isn't that spending more money would correlate with higher success
It’s that having more money correlates with higher success.
Money can’t buy happiness. But worrying about how you are going to pay your bills every month sure does lead to stress.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Awesome - I think Albert just got dissed on House
Foreman: someone named Dr. Pujols called
House: (snickers) Poo-holes!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
I think Hugh Laurie must be a Cardinals fan.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
haha
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
can anyone figure out what this is for?
http://hastebin.com/ looks like it is just an internet notepad, but I’m sure it does more than that, right?
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 9:20 PM EST reply actions
...
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 23, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
that's what I found
it looks like it is for programmers
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't stop that right now, I'm going to give you a thorough googling when we get home young man!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 6:20 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck tha Red Wings.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yea, every time vs carries a game, it seems they tank
just got out hustled tonight
TLR is gone, long live the king
One reason it's so easy to hate the Red Wings
they look like the Soviet team. Fuckin’ commies.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 23, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions
Damn, can't believe Ross only got 1yr/3m.
And Luddy got 2m. That seems like a solid deal. Would it have been better for us to sign him and Oswalt instead of Beltran?
by mick311 on Jan 23, 2012 10:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
ask me in 9 months
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
VEB: We need baseball.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
no shit
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm answering company emails.
NEED BASEBALL NOW
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Also, I'm out of Maker's Mark.
/Defcon1statusreached.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I was blessed with Maker's Mark yesterday that was made in March of 99
My buddy’s dad even put the wax on top of it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
NEED BASEBALL
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
MOAR BAEZBALL!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Dear Whothefuckever,
Why are you bothering me with this drivel? Don’t you realize that baseball hasen’t been played in this country since the end of Oct? Don’t talk to me until the first week of April.
Sincerly,
TBender
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I wish.
I’m actually at about that point.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
...
http://www.fangraphs.com/not/index.php/video-this-is-probably-maikel-cletos-two-seamer/
Still not a werewolf.
Sometimes fangraphs kills me
That was a changeup. It looks like a changeup, the PITCHf/x movement looks like a changeup—-and for a guy throwing 98.4 on average, 92 is a stiff changeup but not crazy (ask Strasburg).
Not afraid to nitpick
Just used 2011 standings
I have yet to meet a Reds fan who is not an arrogant, entitled, dick
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
yup
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
MANGO 4 LYFE, BITCHES
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Not only one of the best fruits
But among the best fruit flavors. LA is an exciting place because I can get mango hi-chew for $0.79 a pack.
Still not a werewolf.
I'm allergic to the skin =(
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Probably
Usually I just make my wife do it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
└o
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 24, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
I have to reach all the way over there to get it?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
Down low, too slow.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer Juicy Fruit.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
do you guys really think we have a top 5 farm system?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I would say top 10 but it feels weird going higher than that
7 or 8, maybe?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 24, 2012 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wonder if Cards fans in general have this problem
It’s as if we aren’t supposed to have a top 5 system, so we don’t believe it even though the evidence suggests we might.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
If it's Top 5, it's probably AT 5 as Sickels has it.
I figured Top 10, but would have said 6-10 offhand. Haven’t studied the other systems too much though.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think our pitching heaviness could hurt us
Assuming TINSSAP has some validity.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think it gives more stability to the big league club, though.
I would not prefer to have sluggers coming up and have to pick up the rotation (not to mention the bullpen) through FA.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, good point
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 24, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
If you look at the top end of the Cardinals farm system,
it is really amazing. It has some very high upside pitchers, a high upside position player and some high floor, moderate ceiling position players. It really is a clear top 10 and, for me, a compelling top 5 system. The argument for a long time was that the Cardinals lacked the blue chip prospects even though they had depth. Well, now they’ve got both.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I was just perusing minorleagueball and was checking out their community rankings
They just recently voted Wong as the number 75 overall prospect. So they put Wong, Jenkins, Taveras, Martinez, and Miller all inside the top 100, possibly with more after that.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
More like half n half
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Would that be more than the avg. team?
Or does it just seem like it?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Just posted this yesterday, I think
but this does a good job of showing how talent was acquired by the 8 playoff teams last year. Cards were second only to the Rays (natch) for home-grown talent. This does lump minor league trades into their “Traded” category, so Freese shows up there. I don’t know if or how badly that’s skewing the other teams.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
thanks TC.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I find it interesting that the Yanks are able to pick up that many amatuer free agents.
they must have one helluva presence in the Latin countries.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
More than half by roster, but probably less than half by WAR*
*guessed entirely without looking
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by Cardinals645 on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
even if it's just top 10 that's pretty awesome considering the Cards are always contending
"young man, when you throw a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know"
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else sick of the "Boston" theme in modern cinema?
What with the influence of Damon, Afflecks, & Wahlbergs? Between Jon Hamm, John Goodman, Brad Pitt, etc., I believe that Missouri/St.Louis is pretty well enough represented in Hollywood that a decent St. Louis movie is due (I’m looking at you, One Night At McCools). Fever Pitch rubbed 2004 in our faces. Shouldn’t a movie featuring the glorious 2011 Cardinals be produced?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
I thought one was.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
A quick Google search brings up nothing on this.
Here’s a novel idea: The movie could be a mockumentary about a motley crue of eccentric basement-dwellers, stay-at-home parents, college students, retirees, etc. who follow a baseball blog of the St. Louis Cardinals. Mockumentary features trials and tribulations of fan’s lives highlighted with crazy Cardinal season.
I’d pay to see that. Or at least put in on my Netflix queue.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Rated R for excessive alcohol consumption
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Critics said it was clever but the narrative often lost focus with pointless side stories.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
just as long as the side stories had some witty dialogue to go with the pointlessness.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
It was fine, until it took a turn for the surreal
with the introduction of several talking animals and talking sports equipment. And then completely went off the deep end with an wholly impossible World Series game 6.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
also, the utter lack of morally redeeming features made it hard to identify with most of the characters
Thus the ironic movie title: The Best Fans In Baseball
It’s GOLD, Jerry! GOLD!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I was referring to the movie that they played at the Peabody in Nov(?).
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Yeah, I know.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Luhnow is doing a chat via Twitter with his new fanbase
Here if you want it:
https://twitter.com/#!/jluhnow
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions
My mistake
Luhnow is part of the panel for #SSAchat by MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Twitter is a terrible medium for this sort of thing.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna try and meet him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'm kind of curious how much sharing goes on there
or if everyone is protecting their secret sauce.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit
jay_jaffe: Congratulations to @fastballs, whom new Astros GM @jluhnow wisely plucked from the ranks of @baseballpro. Fine work in his short time at BP
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
He's building a geeky front office of terror.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this has meme potential
2 years from now, “Geeky Front Office of Terror Propels Astros to WS in 2013!”
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... Az.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 24, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and we're just going to talk about generics. Nobody's going to share their secret sauce
“Oh, we’re trying to improve our scouting efficiency.” “Oh, we’re trying to get better data, what do you think?”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That's kind of what I thought.
I guess there’s still plenty of room to expound on the current state of analytics even while staying general about it.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Especially in soccer
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I don't think Luhnow watches soccer.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
The conference is in March
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Pretty much
Jeff Luhnow @jluhnow
Score runs and prevent runs @aaaltaras @jluhnow with divisions so diff, how do you balance building for 2012 in NLC vs 2013 in ALW? #SSAChat
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I wanna know if / how the FO evaluated TLRs probability and game theory usage.
Jeff Luhnow @jluhnow
How mgrs use prob and game theory imp but agree @dmorey Coaching analytics very difficult&should be weighted low vs other factors #SSAChat
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that said asshat for a second.
Figured Passan was moderating.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if anybody's interested
i wrote an article for a PR class that relayed on honesty in PR, but had a backdrop with albert & his decision. because many of the people in class aren’t huge baseball fans, i had to give some information that would seem boring to folks like us. i guess, if anything, i think it’s an interesting read (NOT trying to be selfish here). and for me, it was tough to try to stay unbiased given my journalism-based point on view and my cardinal fandom.
feel free to add comments/constructive criticism in a reply on here.

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