Good and Bad Tyler Greene and the Cardinals' second basemen
by DanUpBaby on Jan 20, 2012 12:42 PM EST
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PrintIf the Cardinals have to go into the 2012 season with two unproven former borderline-prospects at second base, they could certainly have done worse than Daniel Descalso and Tyler Greene. Descalso, whose defense I will not even try to judge at this point, got 375 plate appearances as the infielder-of-last-resort and looks like a second baseman, even though he only made nine starts there last year; he didn't show any power, but after looking like he couldn't even see a major league fastball in April he adjusted enough to post a .334 OBP on the season, which has value in a year where NL 2Bs had an OBP of .319.
ZiPS has him set to post another position-average offensive season in 2012, which means that, if his defense isn't terrible and he's platooned judiciously, the Cardinals should be able to get away with their usual under-investment at the position much better than they usually do.
Meanwhile, Tyler Greene (obligatory Tyler Greene Fan Club link), who's projected to hit just .233/.309/.364, will stick around as the designated high-upside excitement option for the fourth straight year since he began showing signs of life in the high minors.
Greene is yet another great Davenport Translations candidate. In Memphis, since 2009, adjusted for league: .274/.339/.431; .267/.325/.399; .295/.371/.481. In St. Louis, since 2009: .222/.267/.324; .221/.328/.327; .212/.322/.288.
Every time Greene has hit the major leagues he's shown off his talents—great speed, fine walk rate, surprising power—and a shocking inability to make contact. A combination of a low-but-not-that-low-unfortunately BAbip and an extremely high strikeout rate have given him a career batting average of .218 in 316 at-bats.
AAA DT MLB K% 23.6 24.6 24.2 BAbip .368 .350 .284
Here's one additional way to look at the DTs—most of the difference in performance is that the DTs don't ding Greene very much for his absurdly high BAbip in Memphis (which they probably should), while once he gets to St. Louis Greene goes from a player in the Ichiro/Derek Jeter/Matt Kemp class with a BAbip near .350 to one of the dog-slow players (inordinately third baseman, weirdly enough) on this Dan Johnson/Robin Ventura/Einar Diaz list.
There but for the grace of continued ball-in-play glory goes David Freese, another minor league slugger with a high AAA BAbip who was old for his league.
Now that he's finally got a clear shot at a full season of service time we'll likely have significantly more evidence in either direction a year from now. But here's one reason to be optimistic about Greene eventually having the kind of season predicted by his minor league performance: He might not be Ichiro, but I don't think there's anything suggesting he's not Nyjer Morgan (.342), or Emilio Bonifacio (.339), or Fred Lewis (.339) or, if you like your example players with more strikeouts, Jose Hernandez (.334). He better resembles those guys than, say, John Mabry, who's on that second list with a BAbip of .283.
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4 men enter, 2 men leave.
Entering the thunderdome today;
Chris Sale, Vinnie Pestano, Greg Holland and Fernando Salas
Who will survive? ONLY YOU! Can decide!!!
(but i might veto it if i don’t like the outcome)
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nice
I was born in 1986 and have never seen the Royals make the playoffs. At least I can now say I’ve sponsored Greg Holland’s page here.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I'm surprised more than one pitcher who wears wooden shoes has been able to make the big leagues.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
sale and salas
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
I don't know if there are any other beach boys fans here
but if there are, this random heroes and villains generator is very funny.
Did Salas break camp with the Cardinals last year?
I thought he did, but BRef seems to suggest he didn’t. Can anyone tell me the date he got called up?
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he didn't
bryan augenstein beat him out, and then when he and tallet went down it looks like the cardinals called up salas and sanchez on april 13.
Is Augenstein still on the team?
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by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Augenstein was dfa'd in July
I think he cleared waivers. Obviously, no longer on the 40-man roster. Had 26 appearances for Memphis last season.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 20, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know when he got called up, but I remember people bitching
that he and Sanchez didn’t make the team.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Salas and Sanchez were brought up together
on April 14
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
that didn't take long
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I remember them not breaking camp and being Maaaaaad about it
But when augenstine hurt, I think his oblique, we called them up. Sanchez struck out EVERYONE!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah Sanchez was nasty.
I was sad that he couldn’t get healthy for the post season.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
in retrospect, it was even dumber
If they had waited about 2 days to bring him up, we would have gained an extra year of service.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
actually, that's wrong- my bad
season started on march 31, so they did gain that extra year. It was the right move.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
So, has BRef changed its WAR calculations since last year?
Or rather, BRef HAS changed its WAR calculations in the last 12 months. Anyone know how / why?
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I don't know but their blog might have the answer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That seems odd.
I don’t use rWAR so I don’t know what’s going on.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hey, bgh. i saw you asked a question of me about m/u in a prior thread.
the parties charged were charged under united states law and were arrested by new zealand authorities executing provisional arrest warrants requested by the united states. they were indicted for racketeering conspiracy, conspiring to commit copyright infringement, conspiring to commit money laundering, and criminal copyright infringement.
here’s the m/u indictment, if you have the time or desire to read it. the indictment quotes emails sent between the indicted parties that make it clear there was institutional encouragement of copyright infringement—meaning that it wasn’t just a side effect of a particular business model but that it was m/u’s business model.
here’s a paragraph that sums it all up and explains why m/u doesn’t qualify for safe-harbour status under the DMCA:
The members of Mega Conspiracy do not meet these criteria because they are willfully infringing copyrights themselves on these systems; have actual knowledge that the materials on their systems are infringing (or alternatively know facts or circumstances that would make infringing material apparent); receive a financial benefit directly attributable to copyright-infringing activity where the provider can control that activity; and have not removed, or disabled access to, known copyright infringing material from servers they control.so, hopefully that answers your legal questions. it looks to me like the case against m/u is pretty well laid-out. sorry for hijacking the baseball discussion.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Thanks.
I haven’t read the indictment. I did read a couple of newspaper articles on the arrests. They had the initial extradition hearing in New Zealand and the entire process could take over a year.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
this is interesting
I’m glad they were dumb enough to confirm my suspicions about their business model over e-mail.
from a theoretical standpoint, i'm against the take-down of a file sharing site
for the infringement of its users.
in this case there’s a preponderance of evidence that the owners of the site abused copyright themselves (they downloaded stuff from youtube and uploaded it to m/u themselves) and they encouraged copyright infringement through the use of financial rewards. so specifically regarding m/u, i think the feds were right in shutting it down (still sucks for any legitimate users who lost their completely legal files) and did it the right way (through due process).
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
quick googling revealed nothing as well.
Its probably not been noticed til now. I only did since i’m comparing WARs taken 14 months ago with ones taken off the site now and there are a few discrepanices, some aren’t too different. But others are quite a lot out. I’ve got Shin-Soo Choo as worth 7+ WAR in 2010, but now BRef says he was worth 6+.
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Did they add a baserunning component?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 20, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I hope that Greene gets a real chance to show his stuff.
whether that stuff be what he has shown so far, or something better. I am not yet convinced that he will amount to much in the major leagues, but I sure hope that I’m wrong!
Either way, it will be nice to be able to start to put an end to one of VEB’s most hotly-contested debates.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Can't be any worse
Than the guy who started at short when we won the World Series in 2011, can he? Perhaps Greene can steal a few bases and do the Rickey Henderson “today, I am the greatest who has ever played.”
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
Are you referencing Furcal?
Furcal had a .323 wOBA and was worth 0.9 fWAR in 50 games as a Cardinal. I’d say Greene could be worse than that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Just saying
It is what it is
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Furcal hit for crap in the playoffs
Not that I’m complaining.
bad results for sure
so many line drives at the 3rd basemen that could have gone for singles or more if placed a few feet in a different direction
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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But, but, but!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
SHORTSTOP CAN-CAN!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Was referring to
Theriot. Adios Ryan!
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
Point taken
but he could be just as bad. Let me start by saying that I like the experiment at second base this year – the two headed monster of Greene and Descalso. However, Greene has stated in the past that he is uncomfortable on the right side of the infield. This has been shown by his -40.8 UZR in 136 1/3 innings last year and -27.9 career UZR in 230 2/3 innings at second base. Granted, those are very small sample sizes, but in combination with the guy openly admitting he has trouble there – means that it could be quite an ugly experiment. When you combine that with his current .288 career wOBA in the majors and .620 OPS with an ISO under .100 and a K rate approaching 25%, you have a really crappy player.
Compare that to last year’s shortstop, who I despised having on the team, especially at SS, Ryan Theriot. He had a .292 wOBA, .663 OPS, and an ISO lower than Greene’s. He had a UZR of -14.8 – not anywhere close to Greene’s ugly UZR’s at 2nd base. However, Theriot did receive and screw up (way too many) 755 innings at a more premier position than Greene’s complete an utter defensive failure at 2nd in his short time there.
Remember when Mark Mulder pitched 10 shutout innings against the Astros?
And he only used 101 pitches?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AsQesXAYKYO4jA6fJEJ0ddCFCLcF?gid=250423124
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
I was at that game
it was the best game I have ever seen, and will likely ever see. One of my friends that was there with me that day got to go to WS game 6 this year. I am very jealous of him.
Yep, every Hall of Famer did something unique. Mike Schmidt played with his hat sideways. Roberto Clemente chewed other people's fingernails. Tris Speaker was Japanese. Lou Boudreau rode a dolphin into the batter's box. Nap Lajoie would only use John Wilkes Booth's dismembered leg as a bat. And he corked it. Johnny Mize was from the future. - FJM
I remember watching it on TV
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
My sister and mom flew up to St. Louis that weekend and saw that game.
They also saw the locals try to pick up the Astros in the lobby of the Westin.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
That game was awesome.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I left in the 8th b/c my friend who was driving (and not much of a baseball fan)
had a “headache” (he went to his g/f’s house, so…)
Should have got a cab.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
heh
@TheCUTCH22
andrew mccutchen
Im in Miami at the mall…PEOPLE, I AM NOT JOSE REYES!lol
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
by BVHeck on Jan 20, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
"I'm BETTER than Jose Reyes"
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Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is the correct answer.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
You guys should read the book Mathletics
It’s incredible, seriously. My boss just dropped it off for me and had me look over it. It’s a sabermetrics methods primer, so it has Excel demos for linear weights and Monte Carlo simulations and stuff like that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yep
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Me too
also added The Sun Also Rises. I’ve been jonesing for more Hemingway since I just finish For Whom The Bell Tolls.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
stop pushing books on everyone, like some kind of book pusher guy
I’ll read when I’m dead, thank you
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
5 star rating
must be excellent.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
hasn't been released yet.
i’ll be sure to purchase it when it comes out, danup.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Just preordered and my birthday is March 8 so it should come just in time to be a present to myself
Bam!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
just mailed my edits back to the publisher this morning
successfully avoided misspelling baby doll jacobson’s name at the last minute.
also, that ring of alathea guy is going to ruin my SEO luck
when I finally get some fiction published.
he is the ebook-writing owner of www.danmoore.com and the twitter account of @DanMooreAuthor
and my eternal nemesis. I had to contact goodreads tech support when the cardinals book showed up there because it was being attributed to him automatically.
what’s weirder is that his art and photos are all attributed to “jason moore,” which appears to be his own professional non-writing name but is also my brother’s name.
your brother is yanking your chain.
seriously speaking, however, this is a strange situation to be in. will you adopt a pseudonym to avoid further confusion?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Danup Moore.
@danupmooreauthor
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no. if he were ever to get some huge major-publisher advance or something I might
but I figure it’s my real name and my only occupation; if I can’t find a way to become successful enough that this guy who’s writing as a hobby under his middle name needs to adopt a different pseudonym than the one he’s already using, I need to find a new occupation anyway.
I liked it better when I thought you were a published baseball AND sci-fi author
No offense…
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I mean, the period of time I am making reference to
only lasted less than a minute. I’m late to the comments today and was c+x’ing through stuff. For a minute I like was like, “buh, did Fritz just ‘out’ DanUp as a fiction author just now?” but then I was like, “oh, OK.”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
his feed is hilarious if you cut his tweets short
@DanMooreAuthor RT @5StarBooks Review: Dan Moore jerks you…
@DanMooreAuthor Read MERIDIANS SHADOW – Dan Moore blew me…
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Jan 20, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there is always the option of legally changing your name to Danup Baby.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The name made me assume Billy Beane again, like a moneyball redux
But it does look interesting
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sabey Sabes
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
reminds of a nickname for a college friend
Scabe Scabies…he had scabies…seriously.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Not really
It’s less about a narrative and more about the methodology behind stuff like wOBA and WAR and stuff like that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Right, I realized that when I saw the cover
I was mentioning the bad first impression the title gave me, thinking it was a pun on the Oakland Athletics, rather than the improper noun athletics. Thanks for finding the humor in it
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this sounds terrible.
But December 1941 has been pretty a’ight.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
But not The Rings of Alathea
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
how can you hate Junior Mints?
It’s chocolate. It’s peppermint. It’s delicious!
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
(agents that this is tongue in cheek but doesn't know of it is a straight up joke or part of an inside joke)
(actually hates Junior Mints)
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agents = aware
Damn it iPhone
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OIC, I should have remembered a Seinfeld line
I fail
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I doubt I'd be able to get past ten pages of the book you described.
I picked my major largely b/c it only required one math course, and they counted stats as a math course.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Oh yeah
If you have no interest in being able to derive wOBA empirically, then the book is obviously not for you. But it’s, like, my job
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
An equivalent, yeah
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
is there a good, numbers intensive, primer on soccer sabermetrics?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
There is really no such thing as soccermetrics right now
My job is to invent soccermetrics
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Hi. I invented soccermetrics.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
o_o
would be the likely response
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 20, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Soccer uses the metric system?
Sounds complicated. I ain’t watchin’.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 20, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well thats just like
your opinion man
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
hey, same here!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
that's strange to me.
i would have expected you liked math.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
not really
sabermetrics is all really basic math. Mostly it’s statistical theory. I hated all of my math classes in high school.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
The Book is probably a better primer than this
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm familiar with the book
but I lost interest in the cutting-edge stuff once I stopped being able to do the math. I need to force myself to catch up on that.
anything else you recommend particularly?
i already have the book but haven’t had the time to read it yet.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Depends on what you want
The best writing/new research is in the hardball times annual. you can pick up any year.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2012 5:04 AM EST up reply actions
I hate to do this
Because it should be something I should look up for myself. But it’s been a really hectic week and if I don’t get some stuff done ill be here late.
How much did K-Mac sign for. I thought it was $750, but I’ve heard $2.5
Grit != flat out sucking.
1 year / $2.5 million
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
2.5 Million
with additional incentives for games started which most everyone hopes he achieves somewhere else.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
$2.5m is correct
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cardinals-mcclellan
also (unicorn warning)
Joe Strauss: I’d rate it more likely than not that he’s [McClellan] dealt. Mo’ insisted otherwise last weekend. Settling his arbitration status may actually make it easier to deal McClellan, who typically leaves for Florida immediately after the Winter Warm-Up but has delayed his departure this year.
link
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
wonder if Luhnow would take him off our hands
2.5 MM and a C prospect for rotation filler? help facilitate a myers/wandy trade?
As long as the catching prospect
is Koyie Hill.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 20, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I listened to him speak this past weekend
I think it was fair to say that no one liked him, including LaRussa who took a shot at him. No one laughed at Strauss’ jokes. Dud is a grade-a tool
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
hence
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
I didnt know this and it certainly doesnt matter
but he has a strong lisp
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
once i run out of things to say
i revert to pictures. something about them being worth 1000 words.
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Did this come off a ditto machine?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 20, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it was $750
(no need to ruin the guy’s day)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
OT Again - if you know anyone who needs a job
Have them send me their resume. I just opened four new positions. A couple business analysts and other boring stuff that will slowly kill your soul Dilbert-style.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
whereabouts?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
St louis/Chesterfield
Basically right at the 270/40 interchange
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
need a good IT guy?
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Jan 20, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I stay away from that stuff
however, a quick search of the job board shows quite a few openings in that particular area
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
You don't happen to need a PE too, do you?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Me personally? No.
But I imagine plenty of people are looking gor a good pegasaurus evaluator
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
he was offering to give you a pulmonary embolism
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
in that case, I will pass
my son-to-be will be born in less than a month. That has already caused enough anxiety, increased blood pressure, thinning of the wallet, etc.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
(Professional Engineer)
I’d be interested in your job openings, but my PE wife would need to relocate too.
(Even if you did have a PE opening, there is a small chance of any of this happening. Thus, sigh.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Im thinking Biff Stonewall
You would pick a fight on the playground with a kid if his name was Biff Stonewall.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
*would'nt
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
sigh....fail
*wouldn’t
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Or anything MST2K named David Ryder
Punch Rockgroin!
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 3:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I suppose that would help
bbeekman1athotmaildotcom
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
what kind of work?
I work in insurance right now…
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Jan 20, 2012 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Health Care
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
any accounting internships? :)
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Probably previously posted
Grantland has a list of Top 100 Pitchers’ Duels of 2011 (as decided by Bill James). Playoffs not included.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
reasons why wins is a horrible stat to judge pitchers on
Lincecum and Kershaw matched up four times in 2011, Kershaw winning all four contests, all four of them tremendous duels. In the four games Lincecum pitched 29 innings with a 1.24 ERA, but an 0-4 record. Kershaw was 4-0, pitched 30.1 innings with a 0.30 ERA.
Grit != flat out sucking.
ARE YOU QUESTIONING BILL JAMES
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HE'S A HERETIC
GET HIM
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
it's not like there were any memorable pitching duels in the playoffs this year.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I wrote an unsolicited addendum to the Bill James list.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Carp at #40
the deciding play coming on this:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16607693&c_id=mlb
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
great game
love the head first slide…someone besides schumaker
by guillermozeliak on Jan 20, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Carp at #48
outdueling Greinke and ignoring Nyjer Morgan
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18964925&c_id=mlb
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Carp at #86
embarrassing Philly on national television
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19391915&c_id=mlb
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
that was
when the Cards were in the middle of this cute little run like they were trying to make the playoffs.
Because Matheny
Carp was pitching so well at the end of the season.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
it's a shame it had to end.
Wait… no it’s not. It was awesome when it ended.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Jan 20, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
$#@% yeah
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
by BVHeck on Jan 20, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally, these last two comments jointly win the entire Internet
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One, this is missing the playoffs, where obviously the best pitchers duel of the season happened
Two, "40. July 4, Cincinnati at St. Louis, Johnny Cueto against Chris Carpenter
1-0, St. Louis. Only run of the game scored on a pinch-hit single by Matt Hamilton with two out in the bottom of the eighth."
Who the fuck is Matt Hamilton?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Who'd want to be a man of the people when there's people like you?
by the red baron on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
BRAINTEASER TIME
A starting pitcher pitches a complete game and the game is nine innings. What is the minimum number of the pitches the starting pitcher could have thrown?
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27?
That seems too obvious to be right
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
25?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I think this is right
-he’s the visiting pitcher
-he gives up a home run on one pitch
-all other pitches result in one pitch outs
-his team scores no runs
Bingo!
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Twitter
Mathletics!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
In perfect cursive...
any more brain busters?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
why do you park on a driveway and drive on a parkway?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
does that say Rirruto?
Come on, baseball
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 20, 2012 7:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I never liked the idea that a pitcher can get credit for a complete game, when he only pitches 8 innings.
don’t ask me why.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
does a pitcher in this scenario get credited with a complete game?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
if he's on the visiting team and he loses
it’d have to be one more than the minimum over 8 innings, so 25.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
You should add that no one bats out of turn
if you had someone bat out of turn every inning, you could get through the inning with 2 pitches.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
if EVERYONE always bats out of turn, you wouldn't have to throw a pitch.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
You'd have to pitch to guy 2 in order for guy 1 to be out.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
So the answer is actually 17 then, right?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lincoln had a horse named Jack and Kennedy had a horse named Abe!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Why are you the way that you are
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it's time for "bad history and bullshit" starring this chain email!
Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
Both were extremely interested and concerned for civil rights, especially those of African Americans.
Both names Lincoln and Kennedy contain seven letters.
Both presidents were assassinated on a Friday with their wives present.
Lincoln’s secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy’s secretary was named Lincoln.
Both presidents were killed by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon B. Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, Lincoln’s assassin, was born in 1839.
Did you guess when Lee Harvey Oswald was born? Right, 1939
Both assassins were known by their three names.
The names of both assassins are composed of 15 letters.
Lincoln was shot at a theater named “Ford”.
Kennedy was shot in a car called “Lincoln”, which is owned by a company named “Ford”.
Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater.
Booth and Oswald were both killed before their trials.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
the "warehouse" they trapped Booth in was a barn
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 20, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
A barn is just a warehouse for animals
and house is a house to me (for those new parents among us, this should be one of your go-to books for reading to your kids).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
great picture of
tyler greene and the storms…one of my favorites
also when do pitchers/catchers report?
by guillermozeliak on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions
Soon.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Not really a brain teaser. I may have asked this before on this site, but let's do it again
What would happen to the sport of baseball if all the bases were extended further by 5 feet? How would you position your defense? How would you compose your roster?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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does the entire field get expanded?
just the infield? just the basepaths?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Let's say that the fences stay where they are
Just the infield gets expanded along with the bases
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Boog's WAR increases dramatically!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
does the pitchers mound stay put?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 20, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not much changes.
It’d be like Canadian football vs. American football.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Why wouldn't much change?
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Because 5 feet is not a dramatic change.
The throws from infielder to first base would get a bit longer but current major leaguers could still make them. Because of the slightly longer throws, the slightly longer time it takes to run the bases would be largely offset. There might be more drag bunting, I guess, but I’d say the longer distance to first would offset that, as well. A home run is still a home run. Most doubles are still doubles. Most triples are still triples.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Would league offense go down or up as a result?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Does the slightly longer throw/slightly longer line to run benefit the fielder or the runner?
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if I learned anything in little league
its that you can throw a baseball faster than you can run.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Correct, so league offense would go down, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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yes, but it would be interesting
to see how it decreased singles compared to doubles. I would expect triples to be reduced a lot more.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Up a bit, I'd say, because the infielders would be a bit further apart, but not dramatically.
As for the benefit on the throw. I don’t think it benefits either significantly. As I wrote above, I think the longer run to first offsets the longer throw to first. I think it’d be largely neutral.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Longer throw vs longer run benefits the fielder, without a doubt
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The infield hits lost due to throws would be offset by the number of balls that make it through the infield, IMO.
I don’t think the throw advantaging infielders is that significant.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't think so.
Just because the bases move out doesn’t mean the infielders have to follow them. They can position themselves in the same locations relative to home plate.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
What would be the consequences of that, do you think?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Yeah, I'm imaging positioning like you see in softball.
Infielders play inside the baselines.
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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
imaging, imagining
imagininining
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Surely, there are real world consequences and changes to the game, right?
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I really think it's pretty minor
infielders can play back a little bit, giving them slightly better range. Ground balls and balls hit in the air towards a fielder are slightly more likely to lead to outs. Slightly higher premium on arm strength for infielders. Little else changes.
Sure.
I think substantially fewer hits, because the baserunners have to run farther.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
guys get gunned out on line drives that bounce in front of the RF
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
still miss him as ss
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
just sick range
and in this scenario, he could actually play in shallow left
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking at first, too
But if you think of the advantages different fielders of ours have had “playing shallow outfield” (Boog/Belliard), I think it would just weed out some of the poor defensive infielders.
Furthermore, while at first I was thinking it would increase Babip, I think the inherent increased requirement in throwing arm in addition to the longer run to first would result in a lower Babip. Many more of the “difficult bounces” would get gobbled up, which are a higher percentage (pulling out of ass) than the line drives that might have been snagged.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
wow
I was trying to state that there are more difficult bounces that would become outs than snagged liners that would become hits.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely with the throws being faster the fielders could also play farther back giving them more range and there would be a smaller gap between the infield and where outfielders play for singles to drop
But while offense decreases as a whole with decreased overall hits, decreased stretching of hits into doubles or triples and especially decreased stolen bases; the width increase of the field from the fouls lines would cause more home runs and make more grounds for outfeilders to cover. So while hits, batting average and on base percentage as well as overall scoring would decrease, I think that in spit of less singles being stretched into doubles and doubles into triples, slugging would go up
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see how the width of the field increases
As long as the baselines diverge from home plate at 45 degrees to left and right, the playing field remains the same size. You’ve still got the same number of fielders to cover it, so nobody has more or less to cover. The width between first and third base increases, to be sure, but that doesn’t affect home runs, does it?
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Ok, I was looking at it from two isosceles triangles being put together
With the non-even side being on bottom, representing second to home and the right angle being at the top point representing third and first, since lengtgening the two even sides and keeping the right angle would make the right angle would make the said triangle would be taller I assumed the field would be wider. In actuality the infield would e wider but thirst and third would just be farther back in the same plane which didn’t click. If I would have just not over complicated things and realized that the angle at home was a right angle no matter what none of this incorrect theory would have emerged, my bad
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Canadian Football!
Favorite CFL finish of all time
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Answers
1) God damn it Selig
2) Proportionally the same
3) Exactly the same
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by Alxfritz on Jan 20, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So speed doesn't become more or less of a premium?
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I don't think so if it was league wide. And not that dramatic of a change.
But what if a home team was allowed to move the bases in and out like outfield dimensions?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
You'd position the defense the same
you’d just have more time to get the guy out at first
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
But more balls would get through, unless you changed up your defense
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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And you'd have a smaller outfield, so would you go with a 5 man infield?
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I think there would be a legitimate argument
But I wouldn’t do a straight-line infield, it would be staggered with 1st and 3rd in closer and the SS, flex, and 2nd pretty deep (flex being deepest).
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Its been awesomely perfect for time immemorial folks
why mess with perfection? Another five feet much less another split second longer from home to first and almost no one beats out and in filed hit or steals a base.
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I agree that they shouldn't touch the base paths
95 ft? we don’t like your numbers around here
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
why would more balls get through?
if the defenders stand in the same place, it doesn’t matter where the bases are
he's not being quite clear.
i think he’s saying the infield gets bigger, not just the basepaths.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Then the 1B isn't getting to the base in time a lot of the time
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yes he is
because it takes the runner longer to get to the base, so the first baseman can play in the same spot.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Not exactly, right?
I don’t think it’s a big assumption that the average batter is faster than the average 1B. So if we assume that they’re positioned optimally right now for where the bases are, then there are going to be quite a few instances where the runner beats the 1B to the bag once the bases are expanded.
He’s going to have to move closer to the bag, I think, and that creates non-negligible consequences
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um. i disagree with this.
the batter is 5 feet further.
the first baseman is 2.5 feet further.
the batter’s not twice as fast.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
So if the defenders stay where they are RIGHT NOW
And the bases are just extended 5 feet, the 1B would make it to the bag the same # of times as he does now?
Not questioning, just clarifying a position
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i'm saying the fielders would all play the same proportional position.
so the 2B is (roughly) 2.5 feet further from the bag than he was and the 1B is (roughly) 2.5 feet further from the bag, but the runner is 5 feet further. i see this adjustment as benefiting the defense.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Then more balls would get through, right?
I think you’re arguing something different than what Rob and scoot were
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you have more time to react to a hit ball, though (just slightly).
i think this would mostly compensate for the added space in the infield.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
There is no "added space" in the infield for defenders, only for baserunners
Fielders don’t position themselves relative to the bases but at the places where they’re likeliest to intercept a batted ball, which is the same place in both configurations.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
i'm confused.
is the infield bigger in this scenario? or is it just the basepaths are longer?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Except for purposes of nomenclature there's no such thing as an "infield"
Well, not quite true. There’s the “infield fly” rule, but that’s not affected either, since it’s governed not by whether it comes down in the “infield” but by whether an “infielder” can get to it with “ordinary effort.”
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
oh brother.
i mean “is the entire portion of the field in which the infielders play expanded or are the bases just moved so as to make them uniformly five feet further apart”.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Well, as somebody points out below,
the “portion of the field in which the infielders play” would in practice be expanded, because the longer basepaths means they can play a step farther back and still have time to field-throw-putout the runner. That aside, though, they could with the longer basepaths play in exactly the same positions, field exactly as many balls as they do now, but put more runners out because of that extra step the runners have to take.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
i believe we're talking past each other.
there are two ways you can expand the basepaths: move them further apart on the current field, or expand the area of the field.
i’m asking which one is being proposed.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm not understanding this,
or Wait! Wait! Do you mean increasing the arc subtended by the foul lines? That would be truly weird! In that case, yah, fielders would have to cover more ground, so you would get more balls getting through and hence a higher proportion of balls getting through, offset to some extent by a higher proportion of fielded balls resulting in outs due to the increased distance. I suspect, however, it would mean a somewhat lower proportion of doubles and scorings-from-second, because the much sharper angle of turn at first and third would slow batters somewhat.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
i don't think that's what i meant?
the bases make a square. you can expand the perimeter of the square on the current field, or you can expand the field and proportionally lock the square to the rest of the field so that the perimeter of the square is expanded twenty feet.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
OHHHHHH
i’m a total idiot. i realise now why this wasn’t making sense to anyone.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Now that's disappointing. I thought you had come up
with a new geometry.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
But the only real difference between your two descriptions
is that the outfield fences move out. The infielders are not constrained to specific positions relative to the bases.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
first baseman would actually get to the bag quicker
in most instances. Because they play behind the bag, the base would now be closer to them.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I don't see why the number of balls getting through would increase
I would think it would drop because 3B can play back further bc he has more time to throw
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
yeah, this would be the main effect
but it wouldn’t be that huge. Also, SS/3Bs would need slightly stronger arms to make the longer throw.
Number of Stolen bases
Would drop.
by Cheeseballs on Jan 20, 2012 3:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Until they change the balk rules
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 20, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
great question
b/c right now a ss has to field a grounder perfectly to throw out a guy like michael bourn…but then again if someone like molina is up to bat they would be a few steps further back
by guillermozeliak on Jan 20, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
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That's exactly my point!
Exactly. Because you have to wonder: how do the machines know what Tasty Wheat tasted like? Maybe they got it wrong. Maybe what I think Tasty Wheat tasted like actually tasted like oatmeal, or tuna fish. That makes you wonder about a lot of things. You take chicken, for example: maybe they couldn’t figure out what to make chicken taste like, which is why chicken tastes like everything.
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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I hope so
I hate Vermont.
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You mean...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Nothin at all would change. . .
because you are only suggesting that the bases be extended metaphorically, rather than actually extending the distances that runners have to run.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Also. . .
nothing.
/hangs head in shame at typo
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 20, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think
you’d see an increase in Whiteyball type stuff. More bunts, etc. Speed & small ball would be slightly more useful. Defense wouldn’t change a whole lot, I don’t think. A guy like Furcal (arm over range) would be marginally more valuable at short than a rangy guy with an iffy arm. Third basemen have more time to take liners. Probably doesn’t change much of anything on the right side of the infield. Pitchers are going to have to be more aware of fielding bunts; the wheel play is a little tougher to pull off; regular 4-6-3s and 6-4-3s might be a little more difficult because either the 2B or SS would need an extra stride or two to get in position for the turn.
Probably wouldn’t be a drastic change though; 5’ isn’t very much (5.6% of 90’).
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You might see this, but I almost would argue the opposite should happen
groundball babip would go down and running the bases would become more difficult thus making the HR more important.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think groundball BABIP might decrease
but the BABIP on bunts down either line goes up as much, if not more.
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They will go up
but a lot of them will get chewed up by the catcher or pitcher, who will be going from the same points (while the runner has to run further), or the adjusted defensive alignments.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
a good bunt isn't fielded by either the pitcher or the catcher
the corner infield will have to commit to defending against a bunt or a swing that much earlier. If they are taking away the bunt, the likelihood of a single thru a hole goes up. If they’re playing back, they’re further away and the likelihood of a bunt single should go up.
I think it’s likely that teams would draft/develop speedy guys that can bunt more often than they do right now in the Moneyball era.
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I understand that is the case in the present configuration,
but the pitcher and catcher would have an increased responsibility. “Good bunts” would still get fielded by corner infielders, which I don’t think would generally play as deep as the others, and would have the option of moving even further up for certain batters.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think teams would match defensive alignments to teams and players more
5 man infield would happen
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
well
that’s just it, I think any change in defensive alignment to account for the increased value of the bunt is going to result in extra offense. Making pitchers & catchers more nervous about bunts is just going to mean they have that much less mental energy left over for the other stuff they’re supposed to be doing.
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I think you would just have much more flexible defenses
your alignment would change much more drastically with some batting profiles. You could restrict groundballs while still playing deep enough to cover some for the outfielders. I’m thinking that defense could really win championships.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think you guys are all making the same mistake ...
Moving the bases five feet towards the outfield doesn’t mean the infielders have to take initial positions five feet farther out.
1. The positions they now take relative to homeplate are presumably the (statistically) optimal position to intercept the batted ball, which is not under the new configuration going get to wherever it’s going any faster than it does now; so catching the ball and launching the throw would be identical.
2. The distance the ball is thrown would be different – longer if the ball is fielded shallow, shorter if fielded deep, but it would never be greater, and would usually be less, than the additional distance the baserunner has to cover. Since the thrown ball moves faster than the runner, this would give the defense an advantage.
3. In some cases, a fielder might have to move farther from his initial position to reach the base where he receives the throw or tags the base/baserunner, but a) in other cases the distance would be smaller, and b) how often is there actually a race to the bag? The only case I can see this making enough difference to give the runner an advantage is on a grounder to the first baseman, where the pitcher would have further to run – but not as much farther as the baserunner.
4. The big difference would be the new angles of throw for infielders, particularly second basemen and shortstops. For about a season and a half they’d be throwing wide a lot, which would give an initial advantage to the offense; but after they’ve unlearned their old muscle memories and learned new ones, it would settle down to a marked advantage for the defense.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
by alberich on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with all of this
The only addition that I would make is that the longer distance for the runner gives you more flexibility for positioning deeper.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Because as we've seen in the past,
I would say it is advantageous for a defender to position deeper if they have the arm.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
We’d be looking at 1980s levels of scoring, or lower.
Ole Abner does it again.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Great idea
But on a Friday: Greatest idea.
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what if you played baseball on an hourglass shaped field?
there’d be 16 fielders, and instead of a catcher you’d just have two pitchers throwing the ball back and forth to one another. the batter stands in the middle of the two pitching mounds and can hit it either direction.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
the part that'd be interesting is hitting it to one field, and running the other
field’s bases. or hitting in the direction that the pitch is going (which i’d imagine would be very difficult).
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
can you force out on either field?
i.e. if I hit to one field and run the other way, can I be forced out at first on the field I hit to?
If not, grounders just became quite valuable.
i was envisioning you'd have to be forced out on the field whose bases you run.
it seems to me that it would be pretty difficult to hit to the field opposite the pitcher. am i wrong?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
well, you could. let me try to explain. this is an off-the-wall idea that i'm not really explaining well.
pitcher a – - – - – - – - – - – - – - batter – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -pitcher b
when pitcher a pitches the ball, the batter swings. he either hits it toward pitcher a, into the “old” field of play, or he hits it toward pitcher b, into the “new” field of play. the batter has to run pitcher a’s bases if he makes contact, no matter to which field the ball goes. if he makes a strike, pitcher b then pitches the ball. etc.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
alright. i'm going to eventually figure out how to explain this.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Yes.
You’d have to run on what would in the ordinary setup be foul balls into the stands. I think the result would be that a high proportion of foul balls would turn into outs; but some foul balls would turn into hits, because the fielders would have farther to throw.
I think, though, you’d only need 15 fielders, because the catcher’s at the tangent point of the two fields
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
i was counting the pitchers as fielders.
you’d have two of each outfielder (6)
two of each infielder (8)
two pitchers (2)
for a total of 16 people on defense.
that was my original theoretical set-up. my nomenclature was probably in error.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
OK, but you're gonna have a lot of passed balls!
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Bunting backwards?
Foul tips?
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you get to pick??
see, i was imagining that if you’re facing pitcher A, you have to hit it into pitcher A’s field, and run that set of bases. and you could only advance on plays in that field. so there would be a strategic element of which pitcher you decided to try more aggressively to hit.
you have to run the bases on the field the pitcher whose pitch you hit pitches from.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
if a ball fouled back is caught in on the fly, is it an out?
also, is it even foul if it’s in the “other” field of play, within the lines? or are we talking cricket rules?
yes and no.
i’m imagining anything hit within the foul lines on either field would be “fair”.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
is not this the idea of cricket ???
what if you played baseball on an hourglass shaped field?
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i mean, not really. cricket's on a circle i think,
and there aren’t basepaths, and you pitch the ball on the ground, and cricket takes years to play…
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
actually
it sounds a little like town ball/Massachussets rules.
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YOU GUYS WHAT IF
WE PLAYED BASEBALL ON STEVE SANDERS’ FACE
"He probably misses his old glasses."
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by mysterui on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this is an idea i get behind.
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Pitchers tend to get mad if you step on their Sanders-nose
Also, his nostrils make a convenient place to put the rosin bag.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, has anyone mentioned this Joe Magrane in the new item?
by hangingfromatree on Jan 20, 2012 3:36 PM EST reply actions
Didn't ST hit on his 14 yo daughter?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
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by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently. That's mentioned in the article.
by hangingfromatree on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I didnt read the article.
I was just going off of what someone told me
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
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by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Randy Jackson:
World Series! World Series! World Series! World Series!
sign him up, ESPN!
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I heard his daughter is quite a piece of ass...
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Jan 20, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
daughters
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
So close to Spring training...
will Fielder ever sign?
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He's huge wherever he goes
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
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by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
he's also not a vegetarian!
i was so excited when i found out.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
he's huge pretty much everywhere he goes
unless he’s lost weight recently
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
He's pretty big around wherever he plays
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Word on the street is
he’s a large man wherever he is.
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Word is he's the largest man on the street
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by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
this just in....
The Montana Mysteries to sign Fielder to a 10yr 300 mil contract…
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block quotes or not true
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by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
...
The Montana Mysteries to sign Fielder to a 10yr 300 mil contract. The deal will include a personal food services contract, where Fielder can eat all the steak and donuts he wants.
by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 20, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
...
The Montana Mysteries to sign Fielder to a 10yr 300 mil contract. The deal will include a personal food services contract, where Fielder can eat all thesteaktofu and donuts he wants.
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Steak?
Wait a minute. . . .
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...
Prince Fielder has just signed a 10 yr $300 million deal to play hockey for the tiny hamlet of Mystery, Alaska. Such a huge signing may be able to draw an NHL team, say the New York Rangers, to this small town on the tundra for an exhibition game.
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by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 20, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
CC is so fucking pissed
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
well he stole my Oswalt idea
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Remember the Titans
Descalso proved he can hit in the clutch (Game 6) among others. Give him a chance. If they don’t want to platoon Skip, bring back Ryan Theriot. I know, I know what everyone’s going to say. BUT, he’s a gritty player that brought chemistry to the clubhouse. (Read today’s Post Dispatch comments by Matt Holiday). The Cards have a pretty good history with guys like Eckstein & Theriot. Use Greene for back-up for short & third.
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Strong side! Left side!
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by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
...
…
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
we could flip Craig, McClellan, Jay for something good and Sign Prince eh ?
Puma back to right, Beltran in middle and Adron as 4th OF ?
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This just hit the shelves of my local grocer. Can’t wait to get home and try it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
not super amazing, but still quite good. i'd give it something around a 7.5/10.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I give it a 10! A 10! A f'n 10!
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
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by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
if it ain't Busch beer, it gets a zero.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I got into a mostly sober argument with a friend about which movie is least plausible:
Speed or Jurassic Park. Someone put together a good argument.
by openside on Jan 20, 2012 4:19 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Jurassic Park.
Everyone knows that Sandra Bullock can’t drive a bus.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I guess Speed, but I can think of more implausible movies than those two.
Con Air would be number one.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Or Executive Decision. Or Air Force One.
So basically any movie in the 1990’s about planes. What was our deal, anyway?
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Pure fantasy
In the nineties, everybody knew that nothing seriously bad could happen with airplanes, so we made movies about it instead.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Pan Am Flight 103 wasn't that far removed from the 90's.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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That's true
You and your truth have ruined my joke.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
/thatguy
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Also, I was actually thinking about that flight today.
I have no idea why, but it just popped in my head.
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independence day always wins "least plausible".
even in conversations in which the movie is not brought up.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Well of course alien invasion is number 1
Jurassic Park and Speed just happened to be on the docket. The 90s were all about above and beyond and ’splosions. The Rock, Broken Arrow. Face/Off.
The years 2000-201? are about gritty reboots and retreads.
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Broken Arrow FTW among the 90s.
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I think Live Free or Die Hard could give Independence Day a run for its money
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by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 20, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Jurassic Park I would say, off the top of my head
I don’t know the exact science, but DNA degrades over time, no matter how well preserved. I would think 65 million years would make it completely useless as cloning matter. Besides, even if you have the DNA, what then? You can’t just inject it into any egg or surrogate and expect a dinosaur to develop.
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Sucker Punch
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
that movie is fucking ricockulous
Bursting into song.
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you mean the worst movie ever?
yes, I agree.
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
i enjoyed
during my 14 hour flight
Bursting into song.
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my favorite flight movie was AntiTrust
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by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Mine was Talledega nights, or when I saw my first episodes of "everyone loves raymond"
separate times, drinking both times, laughing out loud while watching my own personal tv screen in headrest in front of me. both times taped on shoulder and told “you are really loud!”. Others where trying to sleep.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
ET
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to need a new version of this image for 2012
Somehow I don’t think that Albert’s face will do quite as much to quell the DOOOOOOMMMED crowd in the game threads as it did last year.
I wonder who on the current team is best suited to be the mascot of keeping calm and carrying on?
I’ll go post the Albert image on Halos Heaven. They need it more than we do now.
I nominate Lance Berkman in a cowboy hat saying something like
Simmer down, will ya?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Simmer Down and Berk On
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Keep Up the Good Berk
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by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Simma. Down. Now!
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Matheny
with a tag line
Relax
BECAUSE I’m not TLR
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 20, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
someone photoshop this
so i don’t have to do a shitty ms paint job
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by BVHeck on Jan 20, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
was this guy in the lost boys?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was a HS pic of Elvis.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 20, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
y'all brought this on yourselves!
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by BVHeck on Jan 20, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
disembiggened
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
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by BVHeck on Jan 20, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
upon further review
ok, i’m done.
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by BVHeck on Jan 20, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is supposed to say:
KEEP CALM
AND
BERK A BERK
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I think we needed this most when Pujols signed with the Angels of Anaheim.
But it will undoubtedly come in handy quite often this year. Nice job.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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We were all mostly okay with it, weren't we?
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Generally, yes.
But I think that image would have been comforting.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wong
I wanted to play baseball!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
/cheesecake fail
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
If you give to Halos Heaven
I suggest changing the tagline…
Keep Calm and Count Money
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by TBender on Jan 20, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thoughts, VEB?
SamMillerOCR: @Kevin_Goldstein If Trout and/or Harper were a free agent, no strings, service time irrelevant, would either get paid what TEX paid for Yu?
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Maybe for Harper
But considering their age (and maturity issues for Harper) I would say that teams would be hesitant to commit $60M for players so young with so little pro experience
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
DEFINITELY for Harper
The list of players who’ve made the Majors at 20 is ridiculous. I think he gets way more than 6 years $60M on the open market
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Er, I meant Trout. Fuck.
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Wouldnt it be $110 million?
That’s Texas’s investment in Yu.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Okay, let's say 6 years $115 M
I’d do that for Trout, not Harper
I’d do 6 for $60 for Harper though, probably
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Hmmm,
why Trout and not Harper? Isn’t Harper’s upside supposed to be enormous?
Though from what I hear, Harper’s a total douche.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Trout's made to the Majors already, at 20
He’s essentially already reached his floor, right? Harper can still bottom out. Maybe he’ll strike out too much to be effective. Who knows.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I don't think being a douche is a real issue - but, yeah, I've heard the same
otherwise, I think an argument could be made that Harper is the better player
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't Albert a douche too?
It seems like a lot of players and sportswriters have mentioned that they will miss his production, but almost no one has said they will miss Albert the person, or Albert the leader.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols was a prickly dude
Harper is, by all accounts, an uberdouche. It is suspected that he has a shrine to himself in his house.
Tony, Jo bu must have another promising rookie to satisfy him
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
we're talking 6/60, right?
i’d give them both that deal.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Yes
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
OK VEB
Taco or sausage?
Talk amongst yourselves.
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
Impossible.
Bacon still wins.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
hopefully beef
mrite?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Why can't you have both?
Often times, I mix sweet italian sausage with ground beef. Go crazy.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
That is a fantastic
combination for spaghetti.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Beef taco or fish taco?
Either one wins but the question is by how much
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there is no right answer
GD trick questions. I’m sick of all these GD trick questions.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Tacos
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
69 at night and 71 during the day.
Why do you ask Flim?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
Because it is currently 57 in my house
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Wow....
and you want it that way?
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
My space heater says no
It gets in the low 40’s if I don’t have my space heater on
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
space heater?
Where are you? My gas pack has about emptied my propane tank this year, but thankfully due to this mild winter I haven’t had to refill it.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
STL
Just a brick house with no insulation
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
man you need one of those Amish heaters or something how do you deal with it?
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Blankets
Lots and lots of blankets. I have a heated mattress pad that gets unbelievably hot
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I just typed an incredibly long story about the 2 winters I spent back in the early 80's in a condemned military barracks
with a negative heating system. Just as I was ready to preview … poof it was gone
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
60-70 degrees
I just turned the heat on because it 58 degrees in here and that’s freezing to my spoiled San Francisco sensibilities.
that's pretty cold, to be fair
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 20, 2012 5:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
whine whine whine why don't you?
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
70 winter, 78 summer
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
around 70 in the winter
can’t remember offhand about summer. probably about the same.. our a/c doesn’t keep up very well anymore.
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 20, 2012 5:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
62
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
remind me to never come to your place.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
67-68 all the time
with a space heater in my room if necessary. Still expensive as balls. Over $200/month for heat.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
50 while I am at work
65 while I am home and awake, 58 while I am home and sleeping. This is all during the winter.
Yep, every Hall of Famer did something unique. Mike Schmidt played with his hat sideways. Roberto Clemente chewed other people's fingernails. Tris Speaker was Japanese. Lou Boudreau rode a dolphin into the batter's box. Nap Lajoie would only use John Wilkes Booth's dismembered leg as a bat. And he corked it. Johnny Mize was from the future. - FJM
It's spelled 'Murica
If you don’t like it then you can geeeeeeeeeeeet out
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
its actually more of a sliding scale right
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
one degree celsius = 9/5 a degree farenheit
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Random question,
Miles or Kilometers?
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 20, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I know which is better, but which is used in Britain?
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 20, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
MPH
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
miles
but its KM everywhere else in Eu.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
That's why I was confused,
always assumed it was km like every other sensible country, but then Top Gear always used mi so it threw me off
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
in case of future confusion
Top Gear = the law
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
except when clarkson jokes about killing protesters and stuff.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
You're just jealous
because his boat-car actually made it across the Channel.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Attaboy
Dear Britain: Never go full Euro on us. I wouldn’t be able to deal with that. Love, mattybobo.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
rooting for continued eurotension…. muahaha
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
England has a crazy mix of standard measurements and metrics
also no folding money in units of 1 … when you have 5, 1 pound coins in your pocket you feel like you’ve got some serious change
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Bah!
I remember shillings and pence. They’ve already sold out.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Well if we get on their case about that they'll get all defensive and stop hanging out with us
They’ll start riding around with those Belgian guys and that’ll be the end of our friendship.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Weep, weep for the Imperial Pint
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
She'll go 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
No idea.
Wood-burning stoves are awesome
by cardinalswsbound on Jan 20, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
69-70
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
around 70 in the winter
summertime depends on how hot it is outside
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 20, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
So there isn't a single person with an opinion on my worse OBP better slugging theory for the longer baselines?
You just miss the newness of a sun thread and you become come platelet worthless?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Come platelet = completely.
Fucking iphone
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wait, what's the theory?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
As I clearly stated in a long post while the base baths being longer makes for less hits since the baserunners is slower than a throw do fielders can play deeper and beat speedy runners on close plays more often
And it stop singles from turning into doubles and doubles from turning into triples, the wider Feild will allow for more homeruns which would have been fouls and more extra base hits into the larger gaps from the wider Outfeild, thus Lessing OBP due to lower batting averages from less hits, and less offense from lower OBP and less baserunning but larger slugging %
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alberich looked at it an corrected my glaring flaw
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, got called away to do actual work.
On a Friday afternoon. Grump.
vide supra
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Thanks
I hate missing out on most conversations because by the time I get on my phOne and reply it is all passed, so it was nice to see the reply
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 6:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Numerous Guiness pints
intoxicated Aranathor.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
beer, lick her, or wine?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Umm, I'm pretty sure
that second one isn’t of Aranother’s taste.
Ahhh, the joy of trading Colby Rasmus for a World Series. I'll take that every year please.
indeed
just beer at the moment, some tasty local brew.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
im a ManU guy myself
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
depends
i’ve not been drunk in a long time. I’ve had about 5 pints. and i’m still pretty cogent
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
becoming less and less so with each syllable
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
wow
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 20, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
that is fantastic.
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
wow hooh!
I will enjoy rubbing this in my Red Sox friends face who loved to tell me how bad our ML system sucked in years past!
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
The two world series teams are 3 and 4 in the rankings
It sucks to be the rest of baseball. Also holy crap the Padres hitting prospects. Too bad they are all banished to Petco unless they get traded
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wow, the Padres should be freakin amazing in a few years
also, Luhnow has his work cut out for him, and so do the Cards to stay so high given their winning ways
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
The Blue Jays must have some sick pitching in pipeline
I mean that’s not counting Drabek who was a rookie last year
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
need some advice as to best place in Leeds/Yorkshire for a beer
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I did not think this was going in this direction
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I realized that when I first typed it
could have been interpreted differently
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
because i'm so one-dimensional?!?!
You make me sick, Rui.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
You try to escape and they just keep dragging you back...
Gosling
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
We are nothing if not pigeonholed,
caricatures of our real selves.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
But (and this is a true story)
my family’s dog got in a fight with another dog and they thought they would have to put it down. My first though, “Wonder what kind of puppy we’ll get?”. Second thought: “IHB is right. I am heartless.”
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
oh my god
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
VEB
secretly owns all of our souls
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
the tragic thing is
not that we can’t escape, its that we don’t want to.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I can leave anytime I want.
I just choose not to.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'm serious.
Anytime.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'm dissappointed
I was expecting some kind of analysis as to the character flaws of the last dog and what “makes” improved upon said flaws.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
What're you after? Pubs? Ale? Lager?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
I'm partial to ales, especially if brewed on-site
but I’m looking at atmosphere more than anything
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Right then
Well, if you’re going to be in Leeds itself there is a great place called the Brewery Tap near Leeds City Station which brews on site. This does mean that they run out of stuff though. Other places in the city; Scarbrough Hotel, Mr. Foley’s.
If your gonna be outside the city, or in the countryside, then a lot of ‘local’ pubs are perfectly good and have a good country atmosphere. Although it would depend where you are since my knowledge of rural yorkshire is pretty limited.
And, depending on when you were going to be in Yorkshire, i’d gladly give you some help personally.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
if you want
un-drunk advice. e-mail; s.n.smith at liv dot ac dot uk
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
is sober aranathor cool with drunk aranathor posting aranathor's
email address?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah he is
i tied him up in the cupboard. Anyway, this is isn’t really drunk Aranathor, this is more drunk-aranathor-with-sober-aranathor-watching-over-his-shoulder
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
'ppreciate it
but, to be honest, i’d happily answer any of VEB’s questions at any time.
you people are too good to me.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
The tying up in the cupboard thing, I mean
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
ha
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to know the best West Ham bar I can sport my new Tottenham jersey
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
London is so metropolitan
it really wouldn’t matter. West Ham fans aren’t known for their viciousness.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Do Everton fans have reputation?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
not especially
except in Liverpool, where there’s bound to be Red vs. Blue shit if both sides have had too many
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
well crap
so who is considered that way? just curious.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 6:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Milwall fans have a very bad reputation
when i was they played leeds there’d usually be a few fires
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
ugh, i fear that is the jaeger talking.
When i was in Leeds, and they played there*
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
that's f'in nuts
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 20, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
by which i mean
some people take it upon themselves to take it far too far
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
ever seen Green Street Hooligans?
good movie…had the guy who know plays ‘Jax’ on SofA
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 20, 2012 6:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Greene also projects to be one of the best baserunners in the game
That adds like .007 points to his wOBA. If you look at my ZIPS WAR post, both players are projected to be average to above average over a full season.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
link?
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
just search my blog, its the most recent post
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2012 5:05 AM EST up reply actions
what's the link?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 21, 2012 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
Best Rick roll ever?
http://m.youtube.com/?rdm=4pauejspt&reload=3#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dq1YABGdai5k&v=q1YABGdai5k&gl=US
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 20, 2012 6:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ummm
Copy/paste it
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh man
its wierd seeing you w/o the giant sig
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
It had worn out its usefulness
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 20, 2012 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he's hoping to be allowed to post at Lookout Landing
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
which one?
http://m.youtube.com/?rdm=4pauejspt&reload=3#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dq1YABGdai5k&v=q1YABGdai5k&gl=US
something is wrong with it even if copy and pasting
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Shit
Youtube Rick astley-nirvana mashup
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what time is it in your part of the world?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
18:02 hrs here
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
my word
thats early, i’m trying to convince my friends to go out… at 00:10
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
i just dislike this hour because it's the time i'm most able to participate in VEB
and no one is here.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
me three
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012.!" ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
why are you doing to lawyering?
on news tonight they sentenced one of those pieces of craps that broke in terrorized, and shot several some family members a year or two ago!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012."! ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
/aren't
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012."! ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
/wow extreme fail there. "why aren't you doing some lawyering?"
news comment was local StL news about a couple thugs who broke into a family gathering and took family hostage until it got ugly when one of the hostages, an off duty female cop, made a move to protect someone who was being threatened, and shots were fired, one death IIR and the female officer shot 5 times. I have a business acquiescence/friend, the victims are his extended family.
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
subject and body were not intended to be connected btw ... body was a news update I heard while typing subject
was not meaning to offend if I came off that way
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Mods: I think we need a front page post with a vote on the vote on the best Laird
I’d like to see which non-Nelson Cruz Laird shot is considered the best.
Just win
It is the best
though I’m disappointed that no one did Laird as “The Scream”
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 20, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't been there in more than a week
Lotta reccing to do
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's such a fantastic post
Its so hard to decide
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 20, 2012 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
which non-animated Laird one is best?
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
can't you just figure the best one based on which one has the most recs?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
recs are not indicative of future performance
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how many post are required for recs to normalize
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Helpful VEBer: Here mattybobo, read this link:
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/article/recs_and_future_performance/
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
depends on the era in which your were posting in, early thread, mid thread, or live rec era
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, RAPIT (Reccing average on posts in thread) don't really behave in game threads the way they do in other threads
So it’s difficult to translate numbers from one environment to the other.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I mean, there's a different audience, different amounts of moderation, different lurker/regular ratio
Etc.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
It seems that momentum, in thread situation, and other SSS influences occurring at differing points in time, may in some ways relate this idea to clutch reccing
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Currently, this one has the 2nd most recs
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that one would be tough to beat in the still photo dept
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
it's not being beat by anything other than the Cruz gif
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
that is if you put stock in recs
/meme
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
so, um
the Rams are playing a “home” game in London each of the next three years.
I can’t help but think that the move back to LA in 2015 is all but official now. Stan Kroenke is making a strong play to be most hated man in St. Louis football since Bill Bidwill.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
That's fine.
Even when they won the Super Bowl, I never really felt like it was our team anyway. It was something of a forced fandom that paid big dividends for a few years. I feel no emotional attachment to them in anyway. If they don’t want to be here then they can just giiiiit out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVKsGjs71PQ
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
wat
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
who say wat who say wat?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I want them to stay
I used to go to games with my pops. Crap seats all the way in the 400 level
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
that place is a shithole.
I can’t blame them for wanting to leave.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really care
It’s a nice enough stadium and I like to watch them play. People care too much about $500 million stadiums that the taxpayers end up paying for
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
that place makes me want to take a nap.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
It does do that
I would prefer less costly renovations to a brand new stadium that fucks over taxpayers
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
we could start by getting rid of the red seats
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
BRING BACK THE ASTROTURF
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well...that would force people to stand the fuck up
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
which one?
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
both of them
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 21, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think part of what it is is that the last 5 times I have been to Rams games
The Rams have been terrible and the fans have not been excited at all. I saw the 49ers game on New Year’s DAy and the place was excited at times, if only like 70% full
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
i've been to one game the past four years.
and it was apparently the loudest the place has been the past four years. and i thought it was a shade of the greatest show years.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Before this year I hadn't been to one since before Spagnuolo
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
yep. i attended one spagnuolo game ever.
here’s to attending much more jeff fisher games.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I've also never once had decent tickets to the rams
Would be nice to see a game up close once
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
me neither.
i’ve only ever sat in two different sections at the game, both in the 400’s in opposite end zones. and i’ve been to probably been to a dozen games over the years.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think fisher might have been the best option for this franchise at this moment
but for some reason I don’t have the same excitement for it.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think with Rams fans right now
it’s all relative. Anything that moves the needle at all after the Linehan/Spags eras is welcome.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
yeah, some semblance of stability will be good
after 2 first time head coach failures
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't been to one in at least 5-6 years
NFL games are better on TV IMO until the playoffs. If they ever get around to showing the coaches cam, or do a Madden-angle thing with the wirecams, there’d be no reason to ever go to an NFL regular season game.
Not afraid to nitpick
+1
I find football difficult to keep up with in person. It’s almost better to sit up high anyway, so you can see what’s happening. It’s so godawfully fast when you’re down low/up close.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
People were excited at the beginning of this season
and then reality happened, which made people all the more depressed
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
the rams should have been so much better this year.
there was reason for optimism.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
indeed
and I was just starting to get a teensy bit optimistic about next year, with Fisher & Williams. (And hopefully Jackson, and not Schottenheimer.)
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
yes on jackson. please no on schottenheimer.
and obviously offense should be the biggest priority this offseason.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I was quite pleased
when I heard the Schottenheimer-to-Rams thing was premature, and they were talking to Jackson.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
i mean, did you see oakland's rushing attack this year?
jackson + other jackson = YES PLEASE
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention
having a real QB and no Al Davis in the way….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Zombie Al Davis
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
oh my goodness yes.
palmer was serviceable but no where near as good as bradford should be.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
he had his moments. maybe.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how Palmer would have done with a full season of prep
you can’t just have a QB hop into a new system like that.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
agreed
not that Campbell was exactly tearing shit up before he got hurt, either….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
I agree
it was depressing to lose my bet against a lions fan
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
well jesus, of course the fans aren't excited
they’re 37-91 (.289) over the last 8 seasons. That’s like Seattle Pilots bad. Lambeau Field would be half-empty with that kind of track record.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Wrong.
If they were Pilots bad, they would have folded before the second season.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
okay
so it’s a short step above the Pilots, huzzah
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
at least you were nice and included years 6,7,and 8
15-66 last 5 years
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
my favorite last four non-2010 years.
8-57
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
8-56, i mean
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Now we're not using continuity or round 5s
this is cruel
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
bigger sample size
does a better job driving the point home. There is no city in America or anywhere else that could see a team lose > 70% of their games over an 8-year period and not lose attendance. Maybe the Cubs, but they’re….special.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
What?!? winning record five years in a row?
I was a fan before it could be enjoyable.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
this.
and guess what, no one seems to give a shit about the stadium when they’re putting up 500 points a season. winning takes care of everything.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't stop them from moving to LA
for a stadium that’s not a shithole
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
the stadium thing is kind of sad.
it’s not even 20 years old and was the thing everyone was doing at the time. but i hold that winning takes care of it all. no one has ever bitched about the stadium until the rams were playing putrid football. place is one the loudest in the NFL when we’re good.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
i was bitching about the stadium before the rams were ever good
I remember being disappointed the first time I walked through the doors.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
well that's like your opinion, man.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
mine and Stan Kroenke's anyawy
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
you don't know that.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
everyone knows that
That’s why this whole thing is such an issue
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
i doubt kroenke would call his stadium a "shithole"
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
...in public
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't hear much from the Colts, Saints, Falcons about their stadium
because they’re good
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
well, the colts have that brand new place.
to be fair.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
The stadium issue isn't a new thing
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
BS
you only ever heard about the stadium after georgia died.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
are you fucking kidding me?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
the stadium was never an issue until she died.
why? because she was committed to having the team in saint louis.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
you don't know that :)
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think the stadium talk has heated up since she died
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
only because its closer to the threat of a move
people have always known that place sucks
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
let's face it
whether Kroenke moves the team or not has nothing to do with the stadium. It’s an excuse. The stadium has fuck-all to do with it.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
eh, I wouldn't completely agree with this statement
the stadium has a lot to do with revenue and possible interactions with the league, therefore, it is important. It is one of the reasons why we will never get a superbowl unless a new one gets built.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
i believe NB is arguing that if stan wants to go to LA...
he’ll make it happen no matter what. the stadium is just his out.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
the stadium has alot to do with it.
Kroenke wouldn’t move the team to LA if it meant playing in an old shitty stadium. He’s only going to go there if they build him an epic football palace.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
which they are....
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
(The NFL won't give LA a team unless a new stadium is built.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
yes, that's exactly what I'm saying
it’s like the beginning of Major League, with Jeff Fisher as Lou Brown….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
yeah, I was just going with Stan=businessman
I feel like Stan wants to stay in Stl, but isn’t going to make a shitty business decision for it, and therefore, he wants as many options as possible: Stl and LA obviously, and London as the dark horse
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
are the Rams losing money?
that’d be news to me. I mean, it shouldn’t be shocking that they’re not selling out the Ed, but I haven’t heard that it’s become empty routinely like the Florida Marlins’ park was last year.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
they are losing money in that they could be making way more in LA
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
well, yeah
that’s not what I meant, but I agree that they probably could be making more $$$ in LA. I meant that AFAIK the Rams are not actually failing to turn a profit in St. Louis, right now, even after almost a decade of being totally shitty.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Which is amazing
given the city size and demographic
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
NFL teams DO NOT lose money
you’d have to have Marlins-rain-out-make-up-game attendance to lose money in the NFL.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 21, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
we'll have to agree to disagree then
I would be seriously bummed out if they left St. Louis. I mean, what NFL team would I root for? I can’t root for an LA team, I just can’t. I can’t see myself rooting for the Chiefs. And yes, I totally felt attached to the Greatest Show teams. YMMV.
The Ed is kind of a barn, but I don’t think it’s a shitty place to watch a football game, at all.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
i agree with all of this.
i could start rooting for the colts, but i would rather not. losing the rams would just make me a sad camper.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
the colts?
Regardless, I don’t know what I would do for football. Probably still root for the Rams.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Colts maybe
Packers, Saints….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
i would go with the saints too probably.
i’m sort of done with the packers right now.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Texans!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
i like them too.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I still say Rams probably
honey, but I want to see a home game!
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they had stopped that London thing
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
maybe it was just with the lockout
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
fog?
Yes it stopped once they quite using so much coal in to power the factories
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
what
was talking about the NFL in Europe thing
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I know
but your comment was just hanging there so far away from the thrust of the conversation, thought I would pep it up a bit
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 20, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
and I was talking about the play a game in Europe thing
completely forgot about NFL Europe
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Goodell eventually wants an NFL team there
“to make the NFL a global league” Imagine playing a home game in London on a Sunday, and then having to play the next Sunday in San Diego or Seattle.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 20, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, you'd be surprised what a hard night out partying does to reset your system given certain time changes. I'm thinking like 8-12 hour changes
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
hah. i'm actually willing to believe this.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 21, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Barcelona Dragons 4ever!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I forgot about that!
They’re on Madden NFL 06!
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Things I did not know:
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Yep
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm at some animal event triva night
And Chris Duncan walked by. The blues captain gave a speech.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 20, 2012 8:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Peter Gammons is infinitely cooler than me.
Peter Gammons @pgammo
Belly – Feed The Tree (Video): youtu.be/RQJjUbMrt8w via @youtube How great is Tanya?
Matthew Leach @MatthewHLeach
@pgammo ~ the greatest. She can do no wrong. Do you have any sway with her? Coax her to do another album?
Peter Gammons @pgammo
@MatthewHLeach I played with her this weekend, and, well, she is one of the greats.
Peter Gammons. Playing with Tanya Donelly like it ain’t no thing. Also, legendary sports journalist. No biggie.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions
Indeed.
He’s who I stole the Otis Redding clip from (up here)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Also- Listening to Lovesongs for Underdogs now.
Thanks for the reminder, guys.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 20, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well, an excellent one that deserved to be rescued from the depths of my playlist at least.
Might actually like Beautysleep better, though.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 21, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
DAMMIT I REALLY LIKE THIS GIRL, YOU GUYS
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions
Get over her
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
rec
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
oh fuck you're still awake!
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Correction
I just got home from a throughly shit night out!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
meaning it sucked?
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
well, your still up at 3AM
Had to be some good qualities to the night
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, do explain
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
nothing special
felt like i had to watch my back the whole time because of some dangerous looking people, two of my mates got far too drunk and the other one acted like a moran.
And thus, came home, got fried chicken, persuaded drunk friend to not make bad life-decision and posted about the awfulness of my night on VEB
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
But anyway
i feel like i’m thread-jacking fang’s cry for attention. Go on Fang, tell us about this girl!
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
IT IS NOT A CRY FOR ATTENTION
I JUST HAD TO TELL SOMEONE
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
eh.
we drunkenly made out on a roof. that was….interesting.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
so she didn't fall through; that's a good thing.
what else?
/butts in out of nowhere
What do you have against the ring-tailed lemur?
by threadkiller on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
that sounds pretty awesome
how did it end?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
death
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely not.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
eh, my homophone humor has failed.
alliteration
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
No one dates in college
You just have sex often enough until you are going out. And the majority of this starts when people were drinking.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
tell everyone around me that.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
People go on dates at Truman?
Before having sex?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
it actually happens.
crazy, i know.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
the one girl i tried to do "real" dating with
Friendzoned me so fast
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
this girl and i were friends first.
acquaintances for about a year then decentish friends for the past 3-4 months. then i decided i liked her, then we made out on a roof, then…..yeah. but she can’t get over this guy even though she knows it’ll never work out. and a close mutual friend of both of us wants nothing more than for this to happen for both of us because “we deserve it”
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like typical romance
for our age
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
and thus i will give the advice i always give
if you want it to work out; then try and make it work. If not, then don’t.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
she said we could hang out and see what happens.
but then we went out to the bar last night with a group of friends and it was really fun for about an hour or two and then she reverted back to other dude and other dude’s roommates. just doesn’t seem interested. it’s just…ugh.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
dammit i told myself i wasn't going to say this much.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
well why did you mention it in the first place then?
if you want her to be interested in you, you should ask her out on a date where it’ll just be you two. Then you’ll see if a) she’s capable of being interested in you for a prolonged period and b) your capable of being interested in her when niether drink or other people are involved.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
alright fine, i wanted to say this much.
and alright fine, you’re probably right.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Aranathor
being right since forever
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
by Aranathor on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aranathor > VEB
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are wrong though
Girls don’t liked to be asked out. Especially ones he is bordering friend zone with
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
wha
we’ve already been friends though.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
There is a difference
Between being friends with a girl and being friend zoned
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
i know.
i’m just saying it’s less likely to happen since we’ve already been friends, no?
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
girls aren't exactly my area of expertise
but this is what i’d do. If it were a guy.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
the single ones are very promiscuous
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
they only don't like being asked out
by guys they aren’t actually attracted to. If they are interested in them, they’d leap at the chance.
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
i need more gay friends.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone needs a gay best friend
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
i would just get her drunk
And make out with her again. Do it enough and poof you are having sex
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
i think you're missing the part where i like her.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
You are not taking advantage of her. This is just how these things work.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
That's messed up even with their male/female ratio
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
we're about 58/42 female.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
yep.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I though you were more
on the Rolla side of 50/50.
by RasmustheRipper on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Rolla is more like 75/25 male/female
That reminds me of a story. My dad used to wrestle in HS. He wrested against the school of the blind. He told me they were lucky they were blind. They had the ugliest cheerleaders he has ever seen before
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
This is actually an awesome old joke, isn't it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Actually no
He remembers walking around the place and wondering why they didn’t turn on any lights. Than he remembered all the students were blind.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
So this is real?
That’s actually awesomer.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
(is Flim...50/50 chance)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
yeah
Blind guys are super tough to wrestle against. You have to keep contact with them or tap them every sec or so. They never let go when they get a hold of you
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
rolla's like 70/30 guys
and it took a 60/40 (male) class just to get there. back in the day rolla was like 85/15
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
are you, um, taking interest in this?
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Intensive, I expect, rather than invective
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
The best advice I can give is
Be bold and live without regret. Better to try and fail than never try at all
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
this.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
keep telling that to yourself
There is no failure in trying
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i was just agreeing with him.
not saying that it’s happened to me.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 21, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
dammit you're after me on this one
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 21, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Also, have sex with an 18 year old
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
lolz
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 21, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Always protect yer neck
or a dentist might put you out. Good fight on effex.
by openside on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST via Android app reply actions
protect ya neck son
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCZrz8siv4Q
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 20, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
maybe you'll get a new puppy!
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
the joy of pets
If you had a teenager he’d have eaten it all
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
i was more confused than anything
I thought maybe my roommate did it. But I ate half a slice of it and could not see him eat afterwards.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
alright, which one of you did i just add on facebook?
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 PM EST reply actions
I knew something looked familiar.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
yup.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
HEH
Fritz forgot to tell us about this…
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Article also has caption win.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
86 topps
was one of my favorite designs
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
FREE HAT! FREE HAT! FREE HAT!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 21, 2012 4:49 AM EST up reply actions
Shhh! be very very quiet, I'm hunting zombies huuuuh
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 21, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm fine with a Desclaso/Greene platoon
Hopefully Skip won’t be seeing much time at second this year. If Greene can figure out how to hit at the major league level we’ll finally have a stolen base threat in the lineup.
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