The Cardinals and fun with league translations
by DanUpBaby on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 AM EST
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PrintRecently Fangraphs ran a piece about Yoenis Cespedes that was interesting to me—and I mean no offense to Jack Moore (no relation), who wrote a perfectly compelling article about Yoenis Cespedes—primarily because I must be the last person to hear about Clay Davenport's new website, which is about eight months old. Davenport, if you weren't buying Baseball Prospectus back when all you could do was buy Baseball Prospectus, was the king of league translations during the early days of the online baseball community. He's compiled an enormous mountain of minor league data and translations, most of which were mouldering beneath an incredibly slow section of the BP website. Now it's all on WordPress, and it's awesome.
Not only does he have the Cuban League stats and (presumably rough) translations from the FanGraphs article, he has historical minor league data and more Japanese stats than you're likely to find anywhere else on the internet. Some personal favorite translation pages from my first look around his site.
So Taguchi: The So Taguchi narrative was always that he was completely unprepared to play Major League Baseball when he arrived in the states, and worked to become a capable big leaguer later on. I don't know just how true that is, but it is true that his Japanese stats don't suggest much. In the two years before the Cardinals signed him his untranslated numbers make him look like nobody so much as So Taguchi—.280/.343/.386 for the Orix Blue Wave, compared to his career MLB line of .279/.332/.385.
Translated, those Japan numbers leave him well short of being a competent MLB outfielder—.251/.308/.347. If he really did make a stark improvement in St. Louis, it would explain his successful return to backup outfield-dom in Japan; in 2011, his age-41 season, he hit .256/.326/.336 for the renamed Orix Buffaloes.
Allen Craig: I always had trouble contextualizing Allen Craig when he was a minor leaguer, because at every minor league jump he ended up having the same season, superficially—.300 average, enough walks, enough power. Not only did he seem immune to league quality, he didn't have any of the slack you expect to see in a guy who will eventually be an effective MLB hitter; it took Jack Cust, for instance, a .285/.429/.516 minor league career to hit .242/.374/.439, and he was polite enough to get a little worse at each rung, so you could guess at his real career shape underneath that .345/.530/.601 rookie league line.
The Davenport translations at least make it a little easier to see the improvements he was making. Now, instead of being a .300/.370/.500-ish automaton, he goes from an adjusted .242/.289/.374 in short-season State College to .281/.331/.475 in pitcher-friendly Palm Beach; now his down-season in hitter-friendly Springfield (.260/.315/.412) is more obvious, and his readiness for the Majors emphasized in his .300 lines in Memphis.
Ivan Cruz: Ivan Cruz! The Cardinals were only the last stop on Ivan Cruz's tour as a minor league hitter, but somehow watching his league-leading PCL totals on the Busch Stadium scoreboard crawl all 2002 made him feel like a true Cardinal to me.
The other day Baseball Nation ran a nice piece on AAAA sluggers which mentioned Cruz, but I think he's a good example of just how misleading the term is when people (like Kevin Goldstein, quoted in the article) use it to mean "A guy who puts up gaudy numbers in the minors but won't hit in the Majors." Used that way, the term suggests your AAAA slugger in question has always killed minor league pitching, but a guy like Cruz was middling even by minor league standards for the early part of his career—he was just good enough to put up nice counting stats that can be added together, as Goldstein does, to look gaudy.
Sure, he hit 181 career home runs in AAA, but the first 28 came in seasons when he slugged .388 and .446; he didn't turn into the real Ivan Cruz until he was 31—older than most GMs are willing to risk, let alone the turn-of-the-century Pittsburgh front office—when he hit .326/.365/.681 in AAA Nashville, good for a .274/.319/.509 translation. At 32 he spent most of the season hitting .402/.449/.794 in the moon gravity of the Mexican League; at 33 he was in Japan; and at 34 he was in Memphis, hitting well (.280/.349/.566, with 35 home runs and 100 RBI) but not call-up-this-34-year-old-PCL-first-baseman well (.248/.309/.447 DT.)
Minor league translations cut into the AAAA-slugger myth from two sides. They show, by adjusting for the high offensive levels of the PCL, that many guys who get the label would never hit MLB pitching in the first place, but they also show that the very best hitters who get the label were victim more of circumstance, inconsistence, and player movement than some phantom vulnerability to Major League pitching. Ivan Cruz wasn't stuck permanently in AAA because he couldn't hit a real slider; he was stuck there because he wasn't Ivan Cruz until he was 31, he left for Japan when he was 33 (and then 35), and he wasn't good enough to catch Tony La Russa's eye at 34.
Matt Adams: Speaking of minor league sluggers who might not be good enough for the majors, Davenport's 2012 projections—which look like but are not PECOTA—mostly agree with ZiPS, giving Adams a .257/.305/.422 projection in 2012. One more way of imagining just how inflated hitting numbers are in Springfield/the Texas League: The difference in translated MLB numbers for Adams's .923 OPS in AA and his .896 OPS in the Midwest League the year before—despite the higher OPS in a league two levels up—was just .035.
Tommy Pham: Finally, something that loves Tommy Pham as much as I do. Here are the DTs of Pham's career to date, which do a pretty good job of illustrating the point at which he abruptly learned how to hit:
AGE LG AB H 2B 3B HR BB SO AVG OBP SLG 19 A- 247 43 9 3 2 18 66 .174 .230 .259 20 A 319 64 10 2 14 21 119 .201 .253 .376 21 A+ 345 78 16 3 9 30 102 .226 .291 .368 22 A+/AA 370 97 27 4 7 49 92 .262 .348 .414 23 AA 147 38 11 2 4 14 41 .259 .323 .442
His raw AA numbers, while I'm advocating—.314/.398/.527 in 264 at-bats. His projection isn't nearly as rosy as his translated numbers, because of how few at-bats he's had since he turned the hypothetical corner, but if he ever manages to stay healthy he's likely to reach the Major Leagues in a hurry if he continues to look like a league-average-hitting center fielder.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that writing the last 1000 words in this blog hasn't been nearly as much of a timesink as discovering that this website exists. There are minor league and NPB stats dating back to 1990 on here—waste some time, find interesting things, and post the results in the comments. (Before I go: Tuffy Rhodes and, to atone for basing my original case for the Mark Mulder trade being a disaster on his age-18 season, Daric Barton.)
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Neat stuff
This reminds me that stlfan has a cool FanPost right now (well, one of his cool FanPosts anyway) about possibly intriguing players in the Mexican League. Someone with stronger Stat-Fu than me will have to use the Davenport doo-dad and see how their numbers translate.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Or maybe he doesn't have Mexican League data...
nevermind.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Terrific post.
You were apparently the second-to-last person to hear about Davenport’s website. Thanks for passing it along. I can’t wait to peruse it this weekend.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Impressive website Danup
On a lark, I went to look up Albert’s future projections. The site has him delivering in 2017 a .295 average, 23 home runs, 66 runs batted in, and a warp of 4.4. That’s in his age 37 season…
He doesn’t fall off a cliff that bad, does he?…
At age 37, I don't think that's a bad fall-off at all.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, that's probably above what I'd project of him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I'd have him with more RBI's than 66...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Guaranteed to not hit into a double play once per game!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
warp?
That’s so 2005!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
this is not a universe i want to live in...
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
Depends on whether the advanced hyperspace extra-terrestrials that designed him
can keep him in good repair.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty reasonable to me
Then there’s the age 38, 39, 40, 41 seasons to go.
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah
also, i’m pretty sure WARP uses a much lower replacement level.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
this is true
back when WARP3 was the stat of choice I remember 100 WARP being the HOF line like 60 WAR is now.
Holy shit!
WARP 3 is like, really, really fast! How fast is WARP 100? You’d have to fold space to be that fast.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 18, 2012 3:43 AM EST up reply actions
WARP 200 is only possible these days if you have help from some sort of external force
like, say, sling-shotting around the sun.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Anyone know when the individual ticket sales start?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 17, 2012 10:42 AM EST reply actions
I forgot your email address, can you send it again
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Jan 17, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
generally in early march.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
OT, but what's
with the Beltran quotes in today’s PD to the effect that he wants to play RF and is only “willing” to play “some” in CF? Didn’t I read recently that he’s eager to reestablish himself in CF? Wasn’t his signing sold as a way to make Jay essentially a 4th OF again?
If Beltran and Berk hold up physically, this makes Craig mostly a bench guy again for 2012.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 17, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions
I haven't read the Post-Dispatch article
but here’s the full Beltran quote from Leach’s post:
"Let me play right field and let Pagan play center field, and if later on in the season you need me playing center, then you know, I’m fine. I have played center for 12 years and I feel very comfortable playing center. But moving to right, it was an easy transition for me. So if they need a center fielder, I will prepare myself to be there."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
news for beltran: we're going to need you in center.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will be surprised if he gets more PA there than jay
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2012 1:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
"In right field, a ball to left field, I just stand."
#LazyBeltran
"He probably misses his old glasses."
It's actually #blamebeltran
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That might be it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
...
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Is he running on a broken tortilla chip?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Jan 17, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Beltran is surrounded by guac and salsa
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
kind of looks like the VEB eye-bird logo
drawn in crayon by a 7 year old having an acid flashback.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
hah
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
He's talking about last year
I don’t get why people are associating this with his wished for 2012.
Read today's article by Strauss.
“He indicated a willingness to play some center field but made clear his preference for right field because of his recent medical history.”
Link.
He didn’t rule out CF but it’s clear that he prefers RF.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
how does he feel about
second base?
Because Matheny
by WyoCardsFan on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
VEB is nominated for a RFT Web Award!
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2012/01/2012_rft_web_awards_finalists.php
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
red baron didn't help out with this or anything!
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
haha sebek got a nod.
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Three times.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
quick; tweet jim edmonds and see if he wants
To do a sex and relationship Q and A on thursdays!
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"When I first knew I was in love with half shirts I was nervous. I didn't know if they'd like me back"
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
How does @TortyCraig not make that list?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
CardsDisaspora is almost the embodiement of every aspect of blogs that I hate.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
damn. talk about throwing down the gauntlet.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
In retrospect,
you could take the word “almost” out of my initial comment.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I've never been to Cards Diaspora.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that's five minutes of your life
you won’t have lost. And that’s five minutes of your life you’ll want back more than reading about boat shoes, skinny ties, and what sort of names you can call people.
Also, thanks to all you writers here for consistently putting out interesting and discussion-worthy material. /shamelessbrownnosing
> tebow
I like to think that I have enlightened you uncultivated peons
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Uncultivated peons did it for Torty!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
bitch, i'm cultivated like a terraced rice paddy.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
yer perty
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Can't tell if racist
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
nah, i was just trying to think of something heavily cultivated.
also, that’s about the least offensive potentially racially charged thing that’s been said to you in a while.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Yeah
But you called me a bitch
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i hope that the context revealed how deeply tongue in cheek the comment was.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
If by deeply tongue in cheek you mean deeply hurtful
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I meant it with the same seriousness that I meant
That I was cultivated like a terraced rice paddy.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 17, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know you haven't picked up that I wasn't even offended a little bit by now
But now I feel kinda bad
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I figured.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 17, 2012 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"deeply" tongue in cheek sounds really personal
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
depends on which cheek
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
tw...
oh, never mind.
"You've got to have poise. You've got to walk away. You're a long snapper!"
B. Kelly
yeah, probably
too bad i’m too old and fat to pull off anything fashionable. actually.. maybe not, i save money by looking like a hobo.
> tebow
There is, in my opinion, something of a superfluous number of Cardinal blogs
right now that all offer redundant or no insight but the biggest problem with CardsDiaspora is that it is after the basest part of the fan subset.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Would be nice if a few could
be culled from the VEB blogroll … such as the ones with no new posts since 2009.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 18, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Just for funzies
I went over there to read today’s piece and there was a line about
Everyone else is NOT our pal. Okay, we just haven’t gotten around to reading them yet
I assume they’re talking to you?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 17, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda funny VEB showed up on the list with them and they don't acknowledge us other than a vague "them" lumped in with the rest of STL blogs
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I see Ludwick signed with the Reds, 1/$2.5 seems a bit high considering his horrid season last year, but whatever
I also see Craig Counsell retired this morning to join the Brewers FO. Finally, I was so sick of him PH’ing in the ninth inning to hit bloop singles.
Not sure the money matters...
what’s dumb is taking at bats away from Heisey and Frazier, or at least not signing a left handed bat.
Sign Roy O
Doesn't Ludwick have a reverse platoon split that makes him kind of a left-handed bat?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah...
are reverse splits ever real? I think he only has 1000 PAs vs lefties, and most of the difference appears to be batting average.
Sign Roy O
I don't think those splits are indicative of his true talent level.
It’s still a weird phenomenon though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you still have to regress them heavily
but at the least we can say Ludwick has pretty much no platoon split going forward.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Counsell
was so gritty, his grit, had grit
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
I wonder how my stats translate
from the Drunken Whiffleball League.
by openside on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST via Android app reply actions
depends on if you played during the "sobriety era"
when records were impugned by evidence that many players were taking advantage of the performance-enhancing practice of not drinking.
you can't tell me
the greatest stars of that era disrespected the game enough to not drink before/during a game. I just won’t believe it.
Because Matheny
by WyoCardsFan on Jan 17, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
"I didn't know it was O'Doul's. I just drank what my trainer handed me."
Come on, baseball
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 17, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
look, I'm not here to talk about labatt's
by DanUpBaby on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
"O'Doul's doesn't help you hit a baseball."
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
by pattimagee on Jan 17, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Soon reporters were telling readers all about "The Cream Ale" and "The Kristallweizen"
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I never played sober.
Period.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 17, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Mike Shannon is at the White House.
I assume hilarity will ensue.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
he brought a case with him.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Biden is there
I’d love to see an Associated Press photo of the two of them together. It’d provide VEB with some serious photoshopping or conversation-bubble creating potential for years.
Dignan: On the run from Johnny Law... ain't no trip to Cleveland.
He's going to take a white house tour wearing a beer helmet
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Why yes, Mr. President, winning the World Series was quite exciting.
…almost as exciting as opening a nice, frosty cold Budweiser. (psschht)
> tebow
by cschepers on Jan 17, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Just exercising his 21st Amendment rights!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Suck it Wagner
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
So, did the Blue Wave change their name after tsunami?
Because Blue Wave is a much better moniker than Buffaloes
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 17, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The team was formed after the 2004 NPB season by the merger of the Orix BlueWave and the Osaka Kintetsu Buffaloes. The merged team began play in the 2005 NPB season, splitting its home games between the Kobe Sports Park Baseball Stadium, the former home of the BlueWave, in Kobe and the Kyocera Dome Osaka, that of the Osaka Kintetsu Buffaloes, in Osaka.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
the buffaloes definitely had the cooler stadium
by DanUpBaby on Jan 17, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
looks like the plant (Audrey II)from Little Shop of Horrors
youneverknow
by floodOfLove on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
one more thing I love about japan
their only conception of “retro stadium” involves building domes that looks like they come from 80s movies.
I'm pretty sure that dome is actually a military research command center
where the Japanese government desperately tries to contain Godzilla. It all starts with the friendship of a little boy named Yoshi.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Wow
Teams can merge? That would e crazy in MLB
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 17, 2012 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
rather nineteenth century
"You've got to have poise. You've got to walk away. You're a long snapper!"
B. Kelly
Does anyone know of league translations for the Mexican, Venezuelan and Colombian leagues?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
$8 million set up man?
MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors
RT @Haudricourt: #Brewers’ one-year deal with Francisco Rodriguez is for $8 M.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
we got people wanting to put Westy in the pen as an 8 mil long man
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 17, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Westbrook was already under contract.
K-Rod wasn’t.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
K-Rod was going to go to arbitration.
Brewers avoided paying him (potentially) 10-13M in arb. This is a “best of a bad situation” contract.
But still- $8M set up man!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
but the arb deal (at least how i understand it)
wouldn’t have been guaranteed. So they could have cut him in spring training.
that's how it worked under the old CBA
not sure if that carried over, though.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Westy is a sunk cost
therefore where he plays is irrelevant.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Right. Put him where its best for the team
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
When the score is 19-2. Doesn't matter who is ahead. . .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
welp, looks like my sig bet is off
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
herp derp
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wat
“Could be raining”? This is old news, yes? From 2010?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
...
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Jan 17, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love how both time-traveling Juan Encarnacion and eating Ray Lankford are in full uniform.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wait a minute...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Any word on the Cards' Arbitration guys?
Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5
This is incorrect, isn't it?
per MLBTR: Brewers Avoid Arb with KRod
That’s the other kind of arbitration, so they didn’t really “avoid” arbitration… they offered him arbitration and he accepted (it says so in the post). But the headline is misleading right? Or am I way off?
Because Matheny
No, since they came to a contract agreement
before the arbitration hearing, they avoided it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but I thought in that kind of arb,
there is no hearing. They either accept it, or they’re free agents.
Because Matheny
No
If Albert accepts, in theory there would eventually be an actual arbitration hearing to decide his salary. Almost no one ever actually goes to the hearing, but it’s still possible.
Not afraid to nitpick
got it.
I did not realize that in the old guys arb, there was more than one figure between the two parties. That clears it up.
Because Matheny
Once he accepted arbitration,
there could have been two outcomes. They sign a deal prior to the arbitration hearing, or the go to arbitration, both sides plead their case as to how much the player is worth, and the arb decision is final. Players under team control (not eligible for free agency) are able to go to arb after 3 years of service (iirc). Same deal though. They can either sign a deal before the hearing or go to the hearing.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I got it now
it makes sense that it’s the same process as the controlled guys after they accept. I just thought that they accepted whatever figure the club threw out there.
Because Matheny
Arbitration is the hearing where the salary for a player who has been "offered arbitration"...
is determined. The Brewers “avoided arbitration” by reaching an agreement with KRod prior to the actual hearing. Probably 95% of players who are offered arbitration never get to the actual hearing.
Sign Roy O
Which is why anyone with a twitter feed is seeing lots of players agreeing to deals today.
like Cole Hamels got $15million, Rasmus got $2.7million, etc.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
The problem is "arbitration" means both the hearing...
and the general process of retaining a player that could be released.
Sign Roy O
sort of
Generally, there are 2 categories to whom you can offer arb:
4-6 year pros (also super 2s)
Other Pending free agents
In both cases, you have to offer arb or lose them. 4-6 year pros (and super 2s) are bound to the arby process unless player and team reach an agreement prior
Other pending FAs can refuse arby or accept. If they refuse, the team gets whatever comp picks Elias and the CBA award.
Unless contractually obligated, which would be very odd, the Brewers didnt have to offer
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
What's the going rate for a dead arm?
$500K?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
a WS winning dead arm
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
His dead arm kept him off the World Series roster.
So, I guess maybe it’s an NLCS-winning dead arm, even though the dead arm kept him from pitching after he got shelled in the Game 1 loss…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
was jokin
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
There is a ring on one of the dead fingers attached to the dead arm...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
But it's not THE ring
it’s only one of those Nazgul rings, for the undead.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
needz moar mcclellan/nazgul photoshop.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Just the other day I had this thought that Tony La Russa was the Double Switch King.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
But I was thinking about LOTR at the time. So now my brain confuses LOTR with WOW
Maybe I should take an arrow to the knee and retire.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Blah. The point was that I was thinking of both the Lich King and the Witch King at the same time
but that wasn’t exactly clear.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
That's horrendous.
What a horrible waste of money.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's been seeing a voodoo specialist
so it’s technically an arm dragged back from beyond the grave by unspeakable rites. Those are pretty sought-after on the trade market.
that's a third of the way to oswalt
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
NOT AN OFFICIAL AMOUNT
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Isn't that the number the MLBTR arbitration projector spit out?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Derrick Goold @dgoold
Mozeliak completed McClellan deal on bus to Walter Reed from Reagan Intl. this morning. #Cardinals #STLcards
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully Mozeliak completes a trade of McClellan on the flight back to St. Louis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ominous?
Why is Mo going to Walter Reed?
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Never mind. RTFT
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Perfect venue. Walter Reed makes replacement limbs. . . . New right arm for KM
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
FYI...
They’re doing the “predict the slash line” for Colby Rasmus over at Bluebird Banter this morning.
Strangely enough: Most predictions remind me of VEB predictions heading into 2011: .280/.340/.460 or so…
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
by fourstick on Jan 17, 2012 2:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I drafted him in one of my leagues this year with the 212th pick
Decent projections for him (from James), not at those levels but still good
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hm.
His Bill James and Fangraphs “Fans” projections both aren’t too bad. They are actually pretty close to the .280/.340/.460 stuff:
James: .255/.334/.446
Fans: .268/.340/.451
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
he still like 25
I’m schocked (not really) people are writing him off after a bad second half.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
yep. I am not ready to write of Rasmus.
I hope I never have to. I hope he has a nice dingdangol’ career. He still has the talent to do so
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I'll root for him.
Not out of any love for the Jays, but if he helps beat the YankSox a few extra times, my O’s have a chance to finish LESS than 30 games out.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 18, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, I'm just a little surprised that some of the projections are as close as they are to the Bluebird Banter folks.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
212 ain't bad.
Who else are you going to get then?
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Anyone watching the Cards at the White House at 2:05 CT
President Obama will welcome the World Series Champion St. Louis Cardinals to the White House today, Tuesday January 17, at 2:05 PM CT to honor the team and their 2011 World Series victory. The President will also recognize the efforts by the Cardinals to give back to their community as part of their visit, continuing the tradition begun by President Obama of honoring sports teams for their efforts on and off the field. Before Tuesday’s event at the White House, the Cardinals will visit Walter Reed National Military Medical Center to thank wounded service members for their service.
Shoulda been on the WS DVD.
Whatta gyp, MLB!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I am curious to see the White House roster
I assume no Pujols but who else
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
No TLR. No Dunc, I think.
The big question: Will Corey Patterson be there?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
You have to be on the WS roster to get invited
I hope Dotel came
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Psh. He willed those guys to win from the bench.
You can’t replace that.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
How do you not go to the White House
I would not care if I hated the President. It is the White House and meeting the President
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Furcal had scheduling conflict and Waino didn't want to take break from his rehab.
I wouldn’t be surprised if TLR was a political thing.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Did they get to go after the 06 win?
Maybe Waino is bored of the White House?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 17, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the team went.
Pujols didn’t, I don’t believe.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols is too big to waste time with the leader of the free world.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
They went
and I believe Waino was there. Pujols wasn’t.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
per P-D:
A majority of the members of the 2011 Cardinals team are expected to attend, including Game 7 starter Chris Carpenter and All-Stars Matt Holliday and Lance Berkman. Jaime Garcia, Kyle Lohse, Allen Craig and Skip Schumaker will also be in the traveling party. Four players who are no longer with the team — Edwin Jackson, Arthur Rhodes, Gerald Laird and Corey Patterson — are scheduled to travel with the Cardinals from St. Louis or join the team this afternoon in Washington.
Because Matheny
@TortyCraig!
These guys are running out of ways to fill dead air.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, they ran out of stuff to say about the Cards
so they moved on to current news. Not the worst way to handle it.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
OTOH, I suspect these guys are fairly bad under the best conditions.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
10 more minutes and they will bring up @SirGloveAWilson
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I think they've already visited Walter Reed.
There were pics tweeted earlier.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so.
Winter Warm-Up was still going on, wasn’t it?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
It was today
Judging by all the tweets this morning.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
HERE COME THE CHAMPIONS
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Is that Adron? Far right, first row?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think so.
Awesome.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Who's the guy in the yellow tie directly behind the podium?
Second row behind Dewitt.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I'm guessing a couple of those guys are minority owners.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Michelle is a Cubs fan?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
hey rui
i know your 4th round pick
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Hmmm...
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
PHI has $104m committed to 6 players for 2013, not counting Hamels, whose market value will be in $20-25m a year range as a FA next fall.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I was hoping we'd be able to sign Hamels.
He’s an exceptional pitcher. The problem is that he’s going to sign for five or six years somewhere and I don’t want anything to do with a contract for a pitcher that guarantees more than four years.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Never again
Honestly looking at our minor league system. I don’t see a reason to sign a free agent pitcher to anything over a year or two max.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
SIGN ROY!
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
That blows for them
BREAKING: @Tigers announce that All-star Victor Martinez is likely out for the 2012 season with a torn ACL.
"They just won't go away"
Bilingual Twitter
Yeah, just saw that on this awkward MLBtv coverage.
That’s rough.
OTOH: Gerald Laird- starting catcher!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Avila will continue to be the starting catcher, I suspect.
Now the Tigers need a DH.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
oh yeah I forgot about Avila...
this isn’t that big of a deal when Manny Ramirez and Carlos Pena are still sniffing around for a job.
Sign Roy O
Prince to Detroit
full circle and stuff
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I've heard he's jumping at the chance...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Martinez issues the entire season with a torn
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 17, 2012 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Martinez issues the entire season with a torn ACL
His rehab team blows…he should be back
By mid-August…and that’s a very conservative timeline
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 17, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
7 Months for an ACL now ?
Times sure have changed. It wasn’t that long ago (20 yrs?) that it was an 18 month recovery.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 17, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Really 6 months is more accurate
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think it's not as big a deal as it might be.
a DH replacement is fairly easy to get, and the Tigers look like they have a pretty big lead over the rest of the division.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
And Martinez isn't a GREAT hitter
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
zips likes him as a 114 OPS+ hitter; carlos pena 119.
boom, done.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
also, i'm kind of stunned by how much money martinez has commanded.
if he’s not behind the plate, he’s pretty ordinary.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Does MLB streaming video
Stutter for anyone else? I downloaded nexdef on my laptop to try to fill in some recording gaps from my Cards games this season and the video has a slight stutter every once in awhile. I have it hooked up to net via LAN cable.
I’m outputting to my other pc via SVideo. Any idea why it is doing this? Is it my video card, laptop or inherent problem everyone has with MLB.com?
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Why are you outputting to another pc via SVidea
Why not just pull up the video on that PC
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm recording a 2 minute clip
That was interupted by the Emergency Alert System.
The SVideo is going into my Capture card.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 17, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's about to trade Westbrook for Air Force One.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Happy flights on Air Force One next year
I’m sure the team would trade that for Westy
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 17, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Look at that self-satisfied smirk!
Smirk away, big guy. You’ve earned it.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
This is fun...
I’m smirking while watching…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I am happy to see Motte is in the back ground
The beard is magnificent
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
it is glowing.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Yeah, Jackson.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
EJax?
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Is he a player?
Adron?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jackson (top row) or Chambers (front row)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
That IS the president
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 17, 2012 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
GREENE
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:45 PM EST reply actions
Do you guys think Colby would have gone if he had stayed on the team?
I think I’ve seen him in at least two anti-Obama shirts. He must be happy he’s in Canada now
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
If he had stayed on the team
the team wouldn’t have made the postseason
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
less than 4% chance at one point!
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Jan 17, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
We reached our lowest chance of making the playoffs long after Rasmus was traded.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That woulda sucked
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2012 4:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Cards are in DC today?
I though I felt a disturbance in the force. Walter Reed is just a stone’s throw from my place.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Molina not there
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
With who?
Mozeliak?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
I would cancel any plans I had to meet any current President...
just me I guess…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I agree.
Going to the White House would be really neat. I imagine you get a VIP tour. You could see a lot of cool stuff in there.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Albert, Yadi, and ADAM:
been there, done that. sorry mister president.
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Pujols did not make the WH trip for 2006.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
well damn
"That's what I'm talking about! Strike him blind, Lord!" - Berk
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Fritz linked it recently, he was doing charity work in the DR (?)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Albert hasn't.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
He cancelled when he found out he wasn't going to be paid for it.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2012 4:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
have you guys seen this?
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
should have kept his uni #5
and added $ vertical lines.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but he's #1
which in addition to $ is very important
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my
Lol
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Classic - all he needs is a halo. . .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
Anyone with DVR?
Able to get a screen cap of Mozeliak when he raised his eyebrows and was looking at someone in the crowd and looking shifty? Or better yet, able to make a .gif of that..
Another great picture and reason for hope.
This is an absolutely textbook position at the Point Of Contact.
Notice how his back elbow is still bent 90 degrees and at his back hip, which means he powered his swing with his core and not his arms.
Also, notice the lack of extension.
Boog would have made that play.
Yeah.
It’s the picture from DanUp’s main post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Looks like a combination of he was going to swing but decided to pop bunt instead or he's going to hold the bat right there and let the ball hit the bat and dribble back to pitcher
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
That is how you hit an inside pitch hard
Again, so much for extension.
In fact, the opposite — compactness — is required for maximum bat speed.
Boog would have made that play.
Lincolning: The old/new Tebowing
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions
Hanging tough?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Lincolning>Cadillacing
IMO
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 17, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Imo Lincoln is the most important person in US history
But then again, im from IL so i may be a little biased
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2012 6:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
he was a tough SOB
I think it’s a toss up between him, Washington and FDR.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 17, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Teddy Roosevelt > Franklin Roosevelt
Sorry, he was just too badass. Dude gets shot before giving a speech, and goes on with the speech anyway.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 17, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I admire the hell out of Teddy.
But, I gotta go with Frank. I had an uncle with polio and after watching him go thru life like that, that’s a whole other level of badass.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 17, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Teddy rode up San Juan Hill
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
that whole story about the war in Cuba is fascinating
resigning his position as Assistant Secretary of the Navy to command a group of volunteer cavalry, completely unheard of today…
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 17, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt is a terrific read.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
agreed
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
He also just decided to go ahead and name vast swaths of America something called National Parks, to be beheld and treasured by all humanity in perpetuity
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'd go with either Lincoln or Washington
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 17, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I know
Seeing daniel day louis as lincoln is quite interesting premise
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Using dual posting technology
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Brewers
i was just looking through mlbtr.com and when I read about the Brewers close to coming to terms with Norichika Aoki and how they had won the rights to bid on him with a bid of $2.5M and are looking to sign him to a multi-year deal….I thought of this post.
Last year, Aoki hit (in Japan, central league I’m pretty sure), .292, .358, .360 for the Yakult Swallows. If I’m doing the whole DT thing correctly, he translates to a .262, .339, .340 line.
Do they miss Craig Council that much?
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
I don't think that that signing was related to craig counsell
I mean, Aoki was a center fielder, I suppose he’ll be competition with nyjer morgan next year. iirc counsell was just a bench player last year.
by hr on Jan 17, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think they expect him to play much center this year, so the Morgan competition is probably out
Unless he plays himself into something bigger or the OF gets nailed by injuries, his role will most likely be a lot of LF while Braun is suspended, then spot starts mostly in RF, especially when Corey Hart sees starts at 1B.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 17, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm talking about Aoki, not Counsell
Counsell retired and joined the front office today.
by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 17, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that question was kind of tongue in cheek
I just don’t understanding bidding on the guys post and then contemplate a multi-year deal for someone who, in any realsitic expectation, will be a bad hitter in mlb.
The Counsell comparison was only related to his hitting.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
by Tackle Box on Jan 17, 2012 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd be wary of any japanese hitter's numbers in 2011 alone
they switched baseballs and the result was a drastic change in the league hitting environment and a huge year for pitchers. yu dervish was greg maddux circa 1994.
Dan, you're so naive
Obviously all the Japanese pitchers just started doing steroids.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
seriously though, whaddup with VEB lately?
i miss the days where i have to follow in real time to have any hope of catching anything.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions
everything*
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S THE FIRST MONTH OF THE SEASON?
YOU THINK VEB IS GONNA BE SLOW MOVING?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Jan 17, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we're getting ready for our SOPA protest tomorrow
/inb4politics
by hr on Jan 17, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
WIKI'S GOING DARK
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
him and the long-haired hippie and the guy with the sunglasses who looks like a llama
by hr on Jan 17, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
and that one chick.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what wikipedia has against sopapillas
they’re delicious mexican treats
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Jan 17, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think this has been posted.
Short interview with Shelby Miller.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 5:28 PM EST reply actions
So we got a smoking deal on tickets,
and will be going to a few ST games in Az this year. Looks like I’ll be catching some brewcrew games, and either a White Sox or Dodgers game. We also scored some tickets for the Coyotes game. corner section second row. The kids are gonna be jacked when we drop this on them.
Anyway, if you see this IHB, I need to know where the best place to watch / kids autograph hunt in Maryvale and Peoria stadiums are.
Thanks.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
So is everyone agreed about Ned Coletti being the worst GM in baseball?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 17, 2012 6:45 PM EST reply actions
He's fucking awful at his job. Did he have a single good signing?
I’d have to go back to look at the Capuano signing to see if it qualifies. I think that might be the only one.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 17, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Um
Blake Hawksworth vs Ryan Theriot was actually a slight win for him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
My comment was more addressing his offseason moves this year -
In any event, Ryan Theriot could have been an asset for us had TLR used him properly – a RH platoon option at 2B. Of course, we didn’t do that, at least until after Furcal arrived.
Also, Hawksworth was worth 0.1 WAR last year, to Theriot’s 0.7 (but Theriot probably got paid 8-10 times as much). Meh.
I would still say that the trade wasn’t the problem per se, the problem was the thought that Theriot would be a suitable starting SS and TLR’s continued use of him there far past when he should have benched him.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 17, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
how much of that is about the dodgers financial straits and how much is colletti being colletti?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
90/10 Colletti
If he had more money he’d just make bigger mistakes
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 17, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Some footage of the White House visit
is up at the mothership.
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 17, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions
obscure and strange baseball names
not as good as some of the ones we’ve come up with here, but worth a review.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
lolled at "human captcha"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Sounds like
Codename: Kids Next Door.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
OT, for expeditionary history buffs, 100 years ago Captain Scott reached the South Pole.
by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 17, 2012 7:25 PM EST reply actions
Pfft - that was more faked than the moon landing and mt everest combined
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 17, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so, really I don't, to many folks have lost their lives on those endeavors..
Anyway if your interested here are a few good reads on the subject.
1) The Last Place on Earth, by Roland Huntford, covers the race to South Pole between Scott and Amundsen.
2) Paths of Glory, by Jeffrey Archer, about the life of George Mallory and his attempts at Everest.
3) The Wildest Dream, National Geographic documentary movie with Conrad Anker retracing Mallory’s footsteps to Everest.
by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 18, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
was jok?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 18, 2012 3:46 AM EST up reply actions
Arb filing- Giants: 17M, Lil Timmy Lin: 21.5M
Who wins? Post FA $ / WAR would probably say Tim, I guess. Not sure how / if to apply that here.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 7:33 PM EST reply actions
17M seems more reasonable...
He made 13M last year. I don’t know how he could ask for a record amount when his team wasn’t very good, he went 13-14, and he didn’t even lead the staff in ERA, WHIP, or wins.
Sign Roy O
Damn there has been a lot of dead VEB space lately
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
i know there's not much to talk about...
but we at VEB always find something to talk about. what gives? where is everyone?
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Twitter.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
you don't think i of all people know that?
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
THEN WHY DID YOU ASK?
But seriously, I do think the popularity of Twitter among VEBers has suppressed the number of comments here a bit.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
maybe a little bit...
but it’s a hell of a lot easier to follow a threaded conversation here. and you’re not limited to 140 characters.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Thank the GOBs I don't tweet.
It’s none of your business where I am or who I’m killing talking to right now. Besides, I don’t want to have to track all of you down and rub you out (it’s just too much of a hassle) lead a very interesting life.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Twitter will be the undoing of VEB, killing the old fashioned way of the interwebs with it's new dangled twiteries
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Making dinner for kids
picking up kid at bus, running back to finish dinner (wife at school board meeting), forcing kids to finish homework so family can all watch Switched at Birth together. You know, the usual.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
do we know what kmac's contract is?
and did anything happen with motte or are we gonna arb it up with him?
i thought i read we signed him.
"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"
-azruavatar
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 17, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I saw that numbers were filed for Motte, but haven't seen what they are.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
New Main Post
St. Louis Cardinals Reach Deal with ‘Dead-Arm’ McClellan to Avoid Arbitration
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I thought this was a jok but clicked to see what foolishness you had linked too...thanks bgh, going over to read
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Enjoiyed the Davenport post. Great stuff. . . anyone else struck by how wretched the Cards were at advancing runners?
Worst in MLB. . ..Surely team can/will improve on that stat. . . .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
We advanced the most runners across home plate in the NL last season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The article wads about productive outs. That said, bgh, your points sort of trumps the issue.
Texas, by the way, did very well with productive outs – all the way through game 7 of the World Series. Or was it game 5?
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
probably game 6
they had us beat for 7 innings
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
and then quite a few more times before they finally blew it
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus, my typing suX
wads = was
points = point
That said a follow up study would be interesting measuring the value of “productive” outs vs. playing for the big inning by wailing away for hits rather than risking runners with abortive steals, hit-and-run plays.
Stat guys??
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
Your English sux 2.
whaling, not wailing.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Productive outs are over-rated
Because the people who like them tend to under-value not getting an out.
Basic Moneyball.
Boog would have made that play.
heh
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 17, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
We keep getting on base like we did last year and I'll be happy
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dont know if the salary had been posted yet,
But MLBTR has Kmacs deal at 2.5m.
Yuck.
by mick311 on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm all for clogging up the bases again especially with this lineup
Gas House Gang 2012!
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holy reply fail Batman!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
/dammit that was huge
11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Longosch is apparently reporting
that Motte requested $2.4 mil, while the Cards offered $1.4 mil.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 PM EST reply actions
^Langosch
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
And why didn't any of you twits have this before me? I don't use this service
but apparently most of you do. Are none of you following her yet?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
(we're in bgh's spiffy new thread)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Of course.
No link from here to there, either. Thanks, VEB, for letting me fall flat on my face, in front of NO ONE!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Oh. Just read the link part, thought it was some random intertubez article about
McClellan’s new contract, didn’t see the part about a new main post. THANKS ALOT, VEB!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
Sign Mark Prior!
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 18, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
sports
The romance fails the cheat outside the smashed coal. The acceptable framework chambers a nest. How does Sports wave outside the historic peasant? The musician fishes? The positive overload reflects the viewpoint near the visible fish. Can the seventh calculate within Sports?
by reenamailam@gmail.com on Jan 21, 2012 7:17 AM EST reply actions
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