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Which St. Louis Cardinals Were Lucky on Batted Balls in 2011?

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Batting Average on Balls In Play (BABIP) is a stat measuring that which its name suggests. It is a stat narrower in focus than good ole batting average (BA). Whereas BA measures the rate at which a player hits safely minus walks and hit-by-pitches, BABIP measures a player's average on those balls put in the field of play, excluding home runs. It is a stat that helps put a player's numbers into context; namely, it helps to determine just how sustainable a player's production has been.

One can get an idea of how lucky a hitter has been by glancing at his BABIP. Typically, the average BABIP is around .300; in 2011, it was .295 for all of Major League Baseball. One should not stop there in evaluating a player's BABIP. The next step is to look at the player's batted-ball profile. Quality of contact has an effect on BABIP. The harder a ball is struck, the more likely it will result in a hit. A batter will have a higher BABIP on line drives (LD) than on grounders (GB) than on fly balls (FB).

According to Fangraphs, in 2011, Major League hitters posted the following BABIP by batted-ball type:

HIT TYPE

HIT TYPE %

BABIP

LINE DRIVES

19.6%

.695

GROUND BALLS

44.4%

.231

FLY BALLS

36.0%

.138

TOTAL

100.0%

.295

It is possible to get an idea of how lucky or unlucky a player's numbers were in a given year by comparing his BABIP and batted-ball profile to that of Major League Baseball as a whole. Today I thought we might utilize some of the work being done over at The Hardball Times on expected BABIP (xBABIP) and how it relates to BA, on-base percentage (OBP), slugging percentage (SLG), and on-base plus slugging (OPS) to see which Cardinals were lucky and which were unlucky on balls in play in 2011 and how that luck affected their production.

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Using information from Baseball Prospectus for the years 2002 through 2008, Chris Dutton and Peter Bendix created a formula for calculating xBABIP. In an article published at The Hardball Times entitled "Batters and BABIP" (that is very much worth reading), the duo discuss their formula, which includes factors for player speed, hitter eye, pitches per extra-base hit, line drive percentage, fly ball/ ground ball ratio, contact rate, spray distribution, pitches per plate appearance, park, year, and batter handedness. Dutton and Bendix offer a simplified description of their regression model, a model that is meant to "determine the relationship between each factor and a hitter's BABIP."

Essentially, the model takes seven years worth of data and compresses it into a single formula that inputs the variables above and spits out a predicted BABIP. Using this, we can compare players' actual and predicted BABIP to identify instances in which a player significantly outperformed or underperformed his expectations. Furthermore, we can use the model to strip luck from the equation and calculated a "luck-neutral" measure of BABIP.

After the 2011 regular season came to an end, Jeffrey Gross revisited the Dutton and Bendix xBABIP formula for The Hardball Times's fantasy baseball arm, "THT Fantasy," in an article entitled "Looking ahead: 2011 xBABIP-adjusted batting lines." Using their formula as his starting point, Gross calculated players' xBABIP and then calculated players' xBA, xOBP, and xSLG based on xBABIP. There are some problems with doing such calculations, which Gross discusses in his article. I encourage you to read the Gross article to review these problems so that you digest this post with the proper salt-grainage.

Aside from the problems in calculating xBA, xOBP, and xSLG that are discussed by Gross, there is also the fundamental problem in projecting a player's 2011 xBABIP onto his 2012 season, which the author explains:

xBABIP analyzes past luck based on past results, but it does not forecast the underlying elements that go in to figuring out the difference between skill and luck-based reality for future situations. To the extent a player's expected future walk rate, strikeout rate, groundball rate, flyball rate, infield flyball rate, line drive rate and home run rate—to name a few areas—could/will deviate next year from this year, xBABIP will not reflect those deviations.

Hence, if you think a player's line drive rate will increase in 2012 compared to 2011, then you should assume that his real expected future BABIP will be higher than his xBABIP. Let's call this difference nominal xBABIP and real xBABIP.

With this context, I thought we might take a look at the St. Louis Cardinals' numbers from Gross's xBABIP spreadsheet (which can downloaded as a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet via the article which is linked to above). In looking at Gross's spreadsheet, I noticed some discrepancies between his spreadsheet's SLG for a player and that player's SLG according to Baseball-Reference and Fangraphs. So, I went through and calculated a player's xSLG on my own by adding Gross's xBA to each player's 2011 ISO. Because I use only OPS on the chart, I then added this simple xSLG to Gross's xOBP for the players' xOPS.

Lastly, Gross limited his calculations to those player's with 300 or more plate appearances since this is the threshold at which a player's batted-ball rates will stabilize (except for IFFB%). Because only nine Cardinals currently penciled in on the 25-man roster reached the 300-PA threshold in 2011, only nine Cardinals are included in the graph. I've listed the Cardinals players in descending order from luckiest to unluckiest.

Player

BABIP

xBABIP

dBABIP

OPS

xOPS

dOPS

Beltran

.324

.302

-0.021

.912

.878

-0.034

Freese

.356

.343

-0.013

.791

.772

-0.019

Descalso

.323

.313

-0.010

.687

.672

-0.015

Holliday

.330

.323

-0.007

.912

.903

-0.009

Jay

.340

.335

-0.005

.768

.761

-0.007

Molina

.311

.311

0.000

.814

.814

0.000

Berkman

.315

.316

+0.001

.959

.961

+0.002

Schumaker

.321

.325

+0.004

.685

.692

+0.007

Furcal

.240

.320

+0.080

.646

.778

+0.132


OVERACHIEVERS

The sustainability of David Freese's production has often been questioned due to his abnormally high BABIP and relatively low walk rate (6.6% in 2011 and 7.0% for his MLB career). As we prepare for 2012, however, concern about the ability of the newly signed Carlos Beltran to hit on par with his 2011 production should weigh heaviest on Cardinals fans' minds. With Daniel Descalso, one must hope that he shows improvement in his approach at the plate and contact in his second full big-league season. As for Matt Holliday and Jon Jay, any expected fluctuation in luck seems likely to be minimal. That being said, Jay's low walk rate (5.6% in 2011 and 6.3% in his big-league career) make his value much more closely tied to his batted-ball luck.

UNDERACHIEVERS

It's incredible to me that Lance Berkman, he of the .959 OPS, was ever so slightly unlucky in 2011. Skip Schumaker was a bit unlucky, as well. This is somewhat heartening as the aging slap hitter remains dependent on a BABIP of .320 to manage a pathetic .685 OPS. Lastly, there is Rafael Furcal, who seems positioned for a much better 2012, given good health and the batted-ball luck one would expect. Neither is a given, but if he gets both, Furcal has the potential to be a very valuable player in 2012.

YADIER MOLINA

Molina posted the best offensive season of his career in 2011. It is a breakout that I've been skeptical of for various reasons. How repeatable his power increase will be remains an open question. Molina's .160 ISO in 2011 is double his .080 ISO from 2010 and 54 points higher than his prior career high of .106 which he put up in both 2005 and 2006. The other question is BABIP. In 2011, Molina posted a career-high BABIP of .311 that is 25 points higher than his career average of .286 but not horribly out of line when compared to the prior three seasons: .281, .309, and .310. Gross's xBABIP formula shows that Molina's BABIP was neither lucky nor unlucky. Hopefully this means we'll be seeing more offensive production near Molina's 2011 level.

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While this exercise in BABIP may help to boost and temper expectations for players heading into 2012, it is important that we keep in mind that this chart shows how a player fared on batted balls during the 2011 season. A player's luck in a given season can take a sharp turn and his 2012 BABIP-xBABIP gap may look much different than the chart above. What's more, a player's improving in plate discipline, power, and/or quality of contact can lead to better BABIP numbers moving forward. Even with these caveats, looking at players' BABIP-xBABIP gaps provides an interesting insight into the 2011 season.

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Man, Furcal

That OPS in the leadoff spot would be phenomenal

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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 16, 2012 8:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

While Furcal hit for a lot of power as a Cardinal in 2011, his ISO for 2011 as a whole is slightly lower than his career ISO.

In 2011, Furcal’s ISO was .117. For his career, Furcal has a .125 ISO. Bill James projects him to have a .124 ISO in 2012. Despite his power binge as a Cardinal (.163 ISO fueled by a ridiculous 14% HR/FB), I think there’s a fair chance that Furcal’s back troubles and age have sapped at least some of his power and that the James .125 ISO projection is a bit optimistic.

That being said, if Furcal were to approach his xBABIP, his OBP would look quite nice in the leadoff spot.

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by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

BABIP

I felt like Furcal lined out, hard, to the 3rd basemen every other at-bat in the post-season. I bet his post season BABIP was unlucky too…

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Jan 16, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It definitely felt that way, yeah

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, in fact

there were two consecutive WS games in which Furc led off the game with identical screaming line drives down the 3rd base line — directly at Adrian Beltre. Look it up. Which is why it pissed me off so much to see some of the carping that people were doing about his hitting during the series.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It's heartening to me that nobody other than Furcal has a gigantic difference

It’s also nice to think that Furcal could still be a bounce-back candidate. I say “still” because he felt like such an over-all improvement from Theriot, and while I believe he was a slightly above average hitter for the Cardinals during the season (2011 offensive environment edition anyway) he wasn’t exactly getting awesome results either. So he could potentially improve on that too. That plus hopefully average defense would make a really nice player to have for a full season.

I’m not really worried about Beltran or Holliday, they have a track record of being great hitters. Molina and Freese are the most interesting ones to me.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

By the way, does anybody have a theory for Yadi's hitting in 2011 other than "peak hitting years" power?

Because all his other hitting components look strongly similar to the last few years (including BABIP as bgh pointed out). Power is literally the only thing that looks different to me. Would be super-awesome if he could sustain at least improved power for a couple years. I’m not asking for a repeat of 2011 (123 wRC+! There was a time when I would not have believed I’d ever write a triple digit number for Yadi in that kind of stat) but maybe something on the order of 110 or so would be very nice.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I really like the fact that Furcal can actually hit the ball over the fence.

makes for a nice boost

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the article!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

The real question with Berkman is whether he'll hit 30+ homers again next year.

Most of the published projections don’t think he’ll be able to do so, and I’m skeptical of this as well, just due to the fact that in his prime he didn’t consistently hit 30+ homers, so expecting him to do so at age 35 and 36 seems optimistic.

He’ll hit ~.290 and get on base at a ~.380 or better clip, but it remains to be seen whether he can slug above .520 again (he slugged .547 last season). While a .290/.380/.520 hitter is still a very valuable commodity, when you combine it with Berk’s defense, you’re talking about a 3.5 WAR player instead of a 5 WAR player.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 16, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

My guess on Berkman

.295/.409/.530/.939 – 26 HR, 82 RBI – in 550 PAs.

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm a little worried about Berkman's value dropping but not by that much

I think 3.5 is a bit low for this scenario. I tried to find a good comp for our xBerk (expected Lance Berkman) to see if that figure seemed reasonable to me. This is quite imperfect and I’m not arguing with your general point, but I think Berk could easily still be about a 4-4.5 WAR player.

Lance seems to project as a .380 wOBA hitter or thereabouts. The closest first basemen in 2011 I found were Pujols, Konerko, and Morse. Pujols had a .385 wOBA, with above average defense (2.4 UZR) and 5.1 WAR. Morse hit for a .387 wOBA, with terrible defense (-13 UZR) and still managed 3.4 WAR. He split time between 1B and LF, but LF is close to 1B on the defensive spectrum so the positional value shouldn’t have had a huge effect. Anyway, his defensive numbers were still terrible at 1B, so it looks to me like he still would have been worth well over three wins even with very bad defense. Lastly there’s Konerko, with a .383 wOBA, about average UZR (-0.5), terrible baserunning (I only mention it because it was so bad, -10.4) and he only played 111 games at first base, the others at DH I presume, and he still managed 3.1 WAR. ZiPS tells me Lance projects for average defense at 1B in 2012, and I think it’s a decent assumption that the offensive environment will remain more or less stable compared to 2010 and 2011 for these purposes (that is, a .380 wOBA will be worth close to what it was worth last year).

So, while I am definitely not saying Lance will have a year as good as Pujols’ 2011 at first base, I would also be surprised if he didn’t outperform Morse and Konerko’s years in 2011. Hence, I see him putting up 4+ WAR. Once again, I agree with your overall point. Berkman actually had one of his best years as a hitter last year (somewhat in raw numbers, and relative to competition) so it probably would not be wise to expect him to just repeat that ~.400 wOBA.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously a lot could go wrong with my expectation

I will openly admit there is a significant dose of “hope that things won’t go terribly wrong” here.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

for beltran especially

sine he’s a more expensive guy

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 17, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess if you look at his career defense at 1B, he's actually above average there.

So if he puts up the aforementioned offensive line, he’s likely to be a 4.5-5.0 WAR player.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 16, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean, I think we sometimes ignored how bad his defense in right field was

I am hoping he doesn’t have some sort of defensive downturn as well. At Berkman’s age, even with his awesome pedigree, I assume that sort of thing is still possible.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm

I probably should have said “I think we sometimes ignored how much worse his defense in right field was”, as in, compared to his normal 1B defense which was has been just fine.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention...

playing everyday at 1B, and getting more comfortable there could make him an even better 1st basemen.

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by pattimagee on Jan 16, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm assuming that Matheny

sees Craig as his backup 1B this year, perhaps with Tony Cruz as the emergency 2nd backup. And with some possibility that Matt Adams might be in that role by the end of the season?

Unless Adams turns out to be the real deal, I expect to see a lot of Craig at 1B in the years to come.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

my limited observation of torty's dad at first

suggests a better plan b is in order

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Jan 17, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

On the other hand,

I could see his doubles rate going up since not plaing the outfield may leave a little more life in his legs at the end of the season.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jan 16, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

See, I don't buy this line of thinking at all.

While playing the outfield involves more running per play made, playing 1B involves a lot more movement per game, imo. Whether moving to 1B on a ground ball, moving to your right or left on a ball hit to the right side, bunt defense, or being the cut off on throws from the outfield with runners on base, you do quite a bit more running as a 1B during a game albeit over shorter distances each time. A RF might have 3-5 putouts on average over the course of a game. A 1B is involved in well over half the balls in play during a game.

Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!

by fourstick on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I am worried 1B will be worse on Berkman's knees, like he said it would.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I will miss Pujols more for his defense at 1B than anything else.

The aggressiveness on bunt plays, his mind-meld with Yadi on picking off runners at 1B,

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by fourstick on Jan 16, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

especially the mind-meld part, hope Berk can handle it as well as Pujols, and Berk and Yadi are able to sink up as nicely this year

Berk will not surprise you with defensive miracles … and will be playing 2nd base much less than AP :)

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, me too

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

although, he did about-face

o
n that comment this offseason in a radio interview, stating that he was was just trying to create optimism for his transition

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah I saw that, my gut says first interview may have been more honest as it makes more sense ... but what do I know

Think he’s just being positive/glass half full in both instances

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

his candidness

is one of the reasons i tend to listen to what he says more, making it humorous when he is being candid about appeasing the fans with “preseason logic”

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 2:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I love the candidness

So I take it you believe this version of “preseason logic” is more accurate than the last years “postseason logic” now that he’s slotted to start at first base

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, I'm not really sure

I don’t have personal experience and its hard to tell what ails him the most. The two positions seem to be related to separate abilities of the knee as he referred.
I don’t have serious knee issues yet, but I can I already tell I will in the future (just as medical technology makes knee replacements carefree hopefully). But, as a soccer player, when I had knee issues, the pain was more manageable once I got to coasting speed than the acceleration/deceleration.
If it is similar for him, then I could see the outfield being easier than the constant lunges at first. Then again, most people use 1B as an example of a place anyone can play, and he doesn’t have to play Albert-esque to be valuable at first.

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

berkman, beltran, holliday, furcal

I have genuinely liked each of these players throughout their career. Pretty awesome that they get to handle the post-pujols transition. I think they are going to have a lot of fun, which will be good to watch.

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 3:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

great point on post-pujols transition! I concur, looking forward to it!

and yes, it is nice to have some capable dudes with our newish guys to help with the transition to their eventual takeover, hopefully we have enough

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And we're in a nice position to

rest those guys pretty regularly, with at least competent backups to take up some slack.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes! curious how VEB thinks the Craigen will fare at 1st?

I see he has a 21 innings at 1B over past two seasons, with 0 Errors and a 1.000 FP for a very SSS, but has he played much 1B in his life other than that?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like the front man of our band left mid-tour

So we assembled a super-band by inviting all these other awesome rock stars to play with us for the rest of it.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh

I was unaware of that.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Berk's defense should be better at first base though

The positional adjustment is -7.5 runs per 150 games for RF and -12.5 runs/150 for 1B. Berk was a -10 run defender in the OF, and I tend to think he’ll gain more than 5 runs by moving to 1B. He’s been an average defender there his entire career, and I suspect 1B doesn’t age very heavily.

I agree that Berk is most likely going to have a worse year with the bat.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Berkman is a weird case, though

He’s been basically /- 4 runs every season except for one, at 1B, and that one season (2008, the season he had the most time at 1B) he was +13. Offense being equal (unlikely), if we get one of the +4 swings, that would be a win better than last year (10, -5, 4), and a +13 swing would make him almost 2 wins better (10, -5, +13 = 18 runs, with positional adjustment). If we get the minus-4 swing, he’ll be about what he was last year.

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Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you sure about that?

Fangraphs is telling me his UZR/150 numbers at first base look pretty good. He has played a decent amount of outfield over the years even when he has primarily been a first baseman.

Here: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=548&position=1B/OF#fieldingadvanced

For example, in 2007 he was average at 1B per 150 games (0.5) but he played 230 innings in the outfield for a whopping 48 UZR number in the outfield that year. That dragged his total UZR way, way down for 2007 even though he played mostly first base-the total UZR for 2007 was -7.5, but that was entirely because of how bad he was in the outfield, in a rather small sample.

Basically, the lesson is to keep Berkman out of the outfield if you can help it. He shouldn’t have to play outfield at all this year.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 17, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Darn it. I hate that SBN auto-formats the double dash.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 17, 2012 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

and the plus sign, in "plus or minus" depictions

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 18, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I expected to see Jay's

xBABIP a bit above the norm. Maybe .315 – .320. That .335 number looks GREAT, and is very encouraging that he can maintain solid production as he is entering his prime years. It would be GREAT to see him develop better plate discipline and become a true top of the order option.

Overall I find this sample encouraging. Very good piece bgh!!!

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by cardzfanbub on Jan 16, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

Watching JJ hit

I was reminded of hitters from the great Cardinals teams of the 1980s. There was something about him — not sure what it was, but something — that suggested me a guy who was thinking during his at-bat, “okay, hole between short and third because they’re playing me to pull. Can I inside-out one through that hole?” Or “playing me straight away this time, but there’s room up the middle. Let’s see if I can put one through there.” And so on.

In other words, Jay, more perhaps than any other hitter I saw this year (even Freese), seemed to be ready to take what they gave him, rather than just pulling for power as he was “supposed” to. I don’t know, maybe it’s just rose-colored glasses, but I believe that’s a skill.

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by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see this...

I seem to recall several times he hit inside-out humpback liners down the left-field line.

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by cardzfanbub on Jan 16, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

As you wish.

Link

Interesting stuff there. He did use the whole field. However, if a ball made it to RF, it was going to be a hit. Not so much to LF and CF, even though he hit a goodly number of balls that way.

"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the image from Texas Leaguers,

which has a great tool that allows you to get custom spray charts by the time span you wish. I chose the 2011 season as a whole.

(I didn’t mean to steal StanTheManFan’s thunder. I just wanted to provide the image in the thread.)

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's something like 29.7/70.3.

Given Jay’s .297 BA.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

well i was just eyeballing the chart

and figured it was related to BABIP or something of that nature given the limited focus on BA here

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just teasing you.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If he would work on his stroke

settle it down and get rid of the huge hitch. he would hit 20+ points higher and be much more consistent. the hitch especially affects his consistency.

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by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

to you too rui!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Very Cool Photo

Notice how close the ball is to him, yet the bat is only now coming off of his back shoulder.

That gives you an idea of how fast good hitters whip the bat head through the strike zone.

P.S. This is an example of a REALLY good swing, which makes me think that, as long as his legs hold up, Freese could keep producing.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Jan 16, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

This is also an example...

…of how good hitters make adjustments very late in their swings.

IMO, that lets them read the ball for a longer period of time, which improves the odds they will make solid contact (and solid contact is related to ball exit speed and BABIP).

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Jan 16, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree here, it would be too hard to measure every hit's speed and looking LD vs GB vs FB helps us analyze BABIP

But speed of the hit within those ranges is a huge factor, especially on ground balls. The faster a ground ball or line drive the more likely the hit, beyond that it REALLY comes downto luck

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

All this is true...

But judging by where the catcher is sitting and the position of his glove, this ball looks to be high and inside. Considering where Freese is with his swing at this point, he’s got very little chance of pulling this ball at all, and will have to drive the ball to the opposite field.

I think, and I’m not alone in this opinion, that the fact that he starts his swing so late will make him susceptible to pitchers who throw the ball in on his hands and on the inside portion of the plate, since he won’t be able to drive those balls successfully to LF. His hit chart for XBH demonstrates this over his 667 PA’s in the big leagues. About 2/3 of his 47 XBH are to the left of dead center. I’m just not sure that this is a sustainable strategy. FWIW — this was not how he hit in the minor leagues either — he pulled a good number of homers and doubles to left at Memphis.

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by fourstick on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If I was going to compare Freese to someone

in terms of approach, Frank Thomas would be a good comp. Thomas was stronger and walked more, but wasn’t ever a great pull hitter. Most of his damage came from the right center to left center in the form of line drives, many of which were hit hard enough to go out of the park. Thing is, pitchers lived in fear of ever pitching Thomas inside (with the exception of the really good ones), so he was able to get away with this approach due to never having to worry about a ball thrown on the inside half.

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by fourstick on Jan 16, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He pulled the ball into the LF/CF gap

The reason why he was able to do that is clear in this picture; notice how tight and compact his swing is.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Jan 16, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Which at bat is this?

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wow...he pulled that ball!

just looking at the picture, i figured there is no way he pulled it and had ruled out that double…incredible

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 16, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said

People don’t understand how fast the bat head moves in a good swing.

Here’s a zoom-in on this picture, which shows some incredibly important stuff.

In particular, notice how his hands are still up and by his back shoulder and his back elbow is still making a fairly tight, V shape.1 In a second, his hands are going to take a hard left turn, which will rapidly whip the barrel out into the path of the ball.

If people are interested in this stuff, I have opened up a portion of my client site with more information like this. Go to http://clients.chrisoleary.com and just register to get access to my piece entitled The Truth About The Swing.

1 One of Colby’s big problems is that he never got to the position. Instead, he has a tendency to cast his hands and let them and the barrel get away from his back shoulder, which slows his swing down and makes it harder for him to keep the inside pitch fair.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Extension is the EFFECT of a good swing, not the CAUSE of a good swing

Focusing on extension never leads to good things.

If you do the right things, extension will happen.

If extension isn’t happening, the usually means something, but it doesn’t mean you should focus on extension. Instead, it often means that you need to focus on staying compact longer like Freese does.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

And thus Rasmus all too often hooked the hell out of inside pitches foul and he didn’t have the oppo power to drive an outside pitch—-he basically gave himself a metal bat swing. Such a shame that a guy with 480 foot power and plate discipline can be reduced to a .166 ISO.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 16, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there a spray chart that shows pull hooks?

On my end I’m mostly going on anecdotal/SSS impressions and would love to put some hard data behind it.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Jan 16, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The PITCHf/x stringer stuff is far from perfect because it's where the ball ended up being fielded

But here’s that for the 2011 season.

Fangraphs has Pull/Center/Opposite numbers, and I’m assuming it’s abnormal to have just 15% of your hits go the other way (5 or 6 of which were infield hits judging from the PITCHf/x stuff).

But there’s no real foul ball data that I know of.

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by joker24 on Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's correct.

I hid the caption but read it when I selected the photo. It’s the Game 7 double.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I've liked Freese's swing a lot

so smooth

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always thought Freese had a great swing

so it’s good to see that corroborated.

I really like his approach also, because he waits for the ball to get deep. That should allow him to improve his walk rate.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

ive been wanting to say that for a while now

i cant be the only one

yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man

by sociopath on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't know if you knew that.

I don’t know if he’s actually right or just guessing. But as someone who gets paid to know these things, I grant him much more credibility than I would if, say, clankbot said something in that manner.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 17, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck you.

probably a werewolf.

by clankbot on Jan 17, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lolololol

probably a werewolf.

by clankbot on Jan 17, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

:(

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 17, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

at least I do my split personality thing in private

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the Article

I’ve had a theory about why some hitters are more successful than others, and this piece, and the linked pieces, really help with this.

For example, Andres Torres isn’t hitting the ball that much more OFTEN, relatively speaking, but what he is doing is he is hitting the ball much HARDER than he was in the past due to a mechanical tweak (letting the ball travel rather then trying to go get it).

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Jan 16, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

Awesome

I’d be curious to know how Beltran’s dOPS stacks up against the rest of the league. Like, my intuition would be that a 34 pt difference is large, but it wouldn’t be in the top 5 % of disparities league wide.

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by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Jan 16, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Nice work, bgh

I also curious how Craig’s BABIP numbers for 2012. He had 219 PAs last year, and will hopefully have more than that this year.

by gocards62 on Jan 16, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

baseballreference.com has a section called Neutralized Batting

it shows what a player could be expected to do in a 162 game season for that year. it says he would have had a .960 OPS instead of a .917 which actually happened. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/craigal01-bat.shtml

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with that, though, is that Craig's batted-ball profile did not stabilize in just 219 PAs.

We need about 300 (half a season’s worth) so that projection is based on him maintaining the same batted-ball profile. We don’t know if Craig’s true talent is 19.1 LD%, 43.8 GB%, and 37 FB%. I actually think Craig might be a true talent 20+% LD hitter.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it is still not that many PA

I’d imagine Craig being another line drive hitter like Freese and Jay, but maybe even more LDs, we will have to wait and see. safe to say he has a better eye though.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

heck yeah

zap bang!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This discussion makes me think of

People who sit around trying to come up with ways to squeeze another 3 mpg out of their car. I’m cool with it, though. :-)

by JWO on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

I really expect Freese to have a big year next year

If he can stay healthy, I expect his power numbers to increase closer to what they were in the minors.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jan 16, 2012 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

True, showed great power through the minors and while the postseason was a SSS

His career isn’t exactly an accumulated large sample size because of the injuries, it’s just a series of small sample sizes. He could very well begin to show that power

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My initial projections have Freese at:

.299/.348/.453/.801 – 30 doubles, 17 homers, 87 RBI (second on team)
(over 600 PAs)

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

seems about what I'd expect

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

same

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

B.J. Rains @BJRains
Cards manager Mike Matheny said the club will put an emphasis on base-running in spring training, both with position players and pitchers.
B.J. Rains @BJRains
Matheny said bunting will also be a priority in spring training. Said he’s heard from veteran players who want to get back to basics.

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by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

And Leach’s recap.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And Leach knows what you're thinking...
(And before you freak out, I didn’t take this to mean they’d be sacrificing a lot during the season necessarily; just that they’ll work on bunting in Spring Training)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

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by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

not what I was thinking

I was thinking, thank god, they seemed to suck an awful lot at bunting last year

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by mattyp on Jan 16, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

don't tell that to

Gerald F Laird!!!
(stolen from hr)

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 16, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

he knows his audience well.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

This is good.

We failed to get down a lot of SAC bunts last season. I’m not a fan of sacrificing but, if the manager calls for it, we should be able to execute the bunt.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It's frustrating enough to see the sac bunt put on...

SO much more frustrating to fail in execution!

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by cardzfanbub on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Corey Patterson for bunting coach!

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

are you trying to summon Sheckie?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Why, whatever do you mean?

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by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope someone pisses in your cheerios.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Eh. Not the end of the world.

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by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmm both sound pretty bad to me

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

oh man, I have to reconsider my priorities.

I’m known as the guy who posts Corey Patterson pictures.

I’m a jerk!

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by SheckieZx on Jan 16, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

nah you're not a Jerk you sent me

this … which is awesome!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

this, in a major way

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

never tire of that image!

I would love to see one of the rock star pose Furc struck when he dropped to his knees at the same time and did a fist pump into the air, but haven’t found it

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yey

and ugh

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2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Seriously

Why haven’t we signed Oswalt yet?

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 16, 2012 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Just waiting for RB's post on Wednesday.

2011 - Year of Our Berk

by spants on Jan 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   4 recs

He'll probably open the post by pointing out that there won't really be any significant Cardinals news until ST starts

And then he’ll talk about how we’re definitely not signing any more starters, so let’s look at how the back end of the rotation might shape up for 2011.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

lol!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Just going to ask this...

what the hell. Maybe he has to trade KMac’s contract first, and he’s having a hard time finding a taker.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently Westbrook is the hang up

I think Mo even went so far as to say
“what would we do with westbrook”

I say 6 MAN ROTATION! Would limit Carp, ADAM, and Oswalt’s innings, which is probably a good thing

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah..

there are many ways to work it out. It’s likely it will work itself out through an injury. The problem is that it would bust the stated budget and Oswalt probably doesn’t want to go to a team with a muddled rotation situation.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't happen to have a link on the Mo comment do you?

There was a reference in here, but no direct quote, just inference.

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

K-Mac has value

I bet he comes on really strong this year

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

because it's more complicated than just signing him.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

you're right

we first have to find a way to justify taking Westbrook, he of the 4.66 ERA last year, out of the rotation.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

4.08 xFIP

His 2012 ERA seems likely to be closer to 4.08 than 4.66.

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by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But fang is talking about PR stuff. And ERA is what’s primarily used in baseball media.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

while i generally support using xFIP, it's better to use westbrook's FIP, which was 4.25.

westbrook’s career HR/FB rate is 11.9%. last year, his HR/FB rate was 11.4%.

when you’re looking at somebody with 1100 innings under his belt, regressing his HR/FB numbers to his career rates makes much more sense than regressing it to league average. i would imagine he’s likely to finish 2012 with an ERA between 4.25 and 4.66.

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by tom s. on Jan 16, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

His back?

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by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

is hairy?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I would never wear

this, but I sorta like the design

maybe as a poster?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

i've seen this shirt around.

i think my brother might have it or something. i agree that a poster would be better.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you're older than dirt

so you don’t care what you look like.

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Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

WAT

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I have this shirt also

and I happen to be wearing it now. And I agree with HCL that it is awesome.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Jan 17, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

No way.

This makes me almost twice as old as dirt!
Well, should’ve known, the younger generation has no effin taste in clothes. You probably wear your jeans below your hips, with your underwear hanging out.

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Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

McCutchenistheTruth has us drafting my boy!!! Stryker Trahan

Linkage

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Jan 16, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Great baseball name, too

When he hits home runs or throws people out, fans should yell “Thunder Stryke!”

“Stryker, listen, and you listen close… playing catcher is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.”

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm betting that Thunderstruck would be his walkup music.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Jenifer Langosh

traveled to St. Louis, immediately went to cover Winter Warm-Up, and is still covering Pirates in the meantime.

You go, sportswriter.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Langosch update on Craig (who has a knee)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

hmm

for some reason i can’t access the link through the android app? common problem or am i being stupid?

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 2:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Links don't work in the Android app.

One of its major flaws.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

lose, lose: give up z’ing or give up links

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Does this mean "progressing nicely?"

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh Heh Heh
Tom @Haudricourt
#Brewers reach agreement on 1-year deal with CF Nyjer Morgan, avoiding arbitration.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

Just saw that.

Surprised he’s still arb eligible. Seems like he’s been around a long time.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Dickheads have that ability

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Jan 16, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

oh crap...I gotta get you the list.

I will send it tomorrow if you still need it.

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Jan 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I would appreciate it if you have time

I got side tracked and haven’t gone back to looking for a doctor yet.

Thanks in advance

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 16, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it is what it is

Rzepczynski tough name to say, tough sinker to hit-Lance Berkman

by punchinjudy on Jan 17, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Waino's personal goal is to go 34-0 this year

link

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Jan 16, 2012 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Yes!

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Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 16, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

this already out? If not ...
#STLCards OF Carlos Beltran just informed media that he will wear No. 3 this season. He made the decision with help of fans, family. 57 minutes ago

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

And you said you didn't know how Twitter worked

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don't, just went to Jenifer's blog and copied

still don’t understand what the @’s are used for and how to read some of the twits I see … not sure who’s saying what. the one above was pretty straight forward though…it’s when they have a couple @’s what confuses me

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The @ is succeeded by someone's user-name

If on my Twitter, if I wanted to say something to you, I would say

@I-Musial-ly-Am Hey, this is how this works.

And you would get that in your “Interactions” tab

You can retweet, or RT, someone, which means you want to share what that person said. So if il rosso wanted to say something, he would type this into his status update bar

“Don’t listen to Rui, he’s dumb RT @rui_xu @I-Musial-ly-Am Hey, this is how this works”

So he’s retweeting me (shown by the @rui_xu immediately after the RT), but since my post was directed at you, that is also included.

I don’t know if this helps

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

this was helpful, and now i feel bad about my snark.

i actually read twitter posts right to left (until this post, i hadn’t realised that), starting with the right-most @. it makes it much easier to understand what exactly is happening, at least for me.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

well, i read the words left to right, but i start at the right-most @.

so it’s left-to-right from right-to-left. i probably made this unnecessarily confusing.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

actually both of you have helped ... especially the reading right to left ... still don't know if I have it

so…
you sent this:
@I-MUSIAL-Y-AM still don’t understand what @s is for
rui responded:
@rui_xu this guy’s a fraud
RT
you forwarded it/retweeted it:
@ilrosso_:
what is the “_:”? part of your id?

what does RT stand for “right?”

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

RT stands for retweet, which means you're literally just copying someone else's tweet

The name immediately after the RF is the originator of the comment, and everything after THAT is what they actually said

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i was editing my comment and left in some stuff I meant to delete...let me try this this this way

who said this? @I-MUSIAL-Y-AM still don’t understand what @s is for (seems like rui)

who said this? @rui_xu this guy’s a fraud (seems like il rosso)

then il rosso forwarded the message he sent to you, to me

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, but in reverse.

you were the originator of the whole chain. since there is a RT next to the @ next to your name, it means you said what comes after exactly.

you have the second point down, which is good because i made the example stupidly complex. it’s not something that happens incredibly often.

the third point is sort of backwards. you said something, i retweeted it and appended my own comment, while mentioning rui so that he would see it.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

close, but not quite.

in this hypothetical world, YOU sent “still don’t understand what @s is for”.

then i RT’d you—which stands for retweeting, which means you send out exactly what someone else sent out and are basically quoting them—and appended “this guy’s a fraud” while sending it to rui.

my example is actually needlessly complex because i mentioned rui while retweeting you. it would have been better if i had used this as my example:

@ilrosso_: this guy’s a fraud RT @I-MUSIAL-Y-AM still don’t understand what @s is for

in this scenario, it’s much more clear who said what.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I get it now thanks for taking the time guys, I think the mention of @rui_xu was what as throwing me

seemed at odds with what rui was saying but i was trying to use Rui’s explanation to understand your tweet example… if that makes sense

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

it definitely can get convoluted.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Also I did not get the fact that i was twittering in the example until the last few explanations and @rui's placement was confusing me

I was confused or didn’t pick up I was twittering…i thought i was being talked about.

See I wasn’t kidding when I said I was clueless in this thing!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, a RT (almost) always means that the person

next to the RT said what comes after their name.

sometimes, for humour’s sake, someone will fake RT someone. like i could do this:

@ilrosso_: RT @rui_xu i hate my job and also asian people

the way to find out if rui actually said that or not is to click the tweet itself, which will then give you a “history” of the tweet from most recent to longest ago. if it’s a real RT then rui’s tweet would show up below my RT.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

il rosso was saying he reads it from right to left, which amongst other things he and rui explained above helped me a ton

right to left, with each bit of the reading starting with an @, then move left to the next @, etc.

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhh I see, don't have twitter as I don't have

a high speed cell phone yet, am intrigued by it though. I saw the pic you posted, nice job, and I sent you a reply…

by Tuning in from Korea on Jan 16, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

response sent

Happy MLK Day to you too!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

this is still stupid

why can’t people just footnote like in all books and shit

Bursting into song.
Get it? Do You?... cuz he's gay. - VolsnCards5

by Aranathor on Jan 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

courtesy of mr. sebek

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

the curse.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The Curse of Renteria.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

At first I was like

Oh Preston Wilson wasn’t so bad…. Wait…. That was Reggie Sanders. All these players were flat out terrible.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

the last four were especially bad.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Cesar was a'ight

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a .292 wOBA with a .278 BABIP.

Sure, his defense was great and he was worth 1.4 fWAR, but I still can’t stand Izsuckis. A fun comparison is Brendan Ryan’s 1.4-fWAR 2010 in which he had a .256 wOBA with a .253 BABIP. Ryan is such a great defender.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Izsuckis had a 1.2 fWAR. I confused it with Ryan's. Ugh.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

izturis is a perfect example of the type of player you hate, no?

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Ryan Theriot and Skip Schumaker are perfect examples of players I hate. Horrible fielders with hollow offensive profiles that accrue all of their value from batting average.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate Izturis's hitting profile, because it's basically on par with Theriot and Schumaker.

Where he redeems himself a bit is with his glove.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i was going to fire back with encarnacion...

but he too was a horrible fielder. and played crap offense at a corner outfield position.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I've found that I have a two-thirds threshold for hitters.

If a player makes an out in two-thirds of your PAs or more, he wears on my tolerance of him. This can be evened out if he plays great defense. The lower the out-making rate, the more I like you and the more I’m willing to forgive bad defense. This is why I was a fan of Chris Duncan and why I love watching Lance Berkman. It’s also why Jim Edmonds is one of my favorite players. I honestly think this can all be traced back to 1987 Ozzie Smith: .392 OBP and excellent defense.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know. I go through phases

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I shouldn't have said that rui, there are lot's of phrases used and reused and I for one am definitely guilty of "phases"

Also, of using obscure movie lines and TV commercial lines/phrases, the latter I’m sure almost no one gets

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

because someone was going to post this eventually...

2005 nunez: 1.4 WAR
2006 wilson: -0.5 WAR
2007 cairo: 0.2 WAR with two different teams
2008 izturis: 1.2 WAR
2009 greene: -0.8 WAR in just 193 PA’s, left team with anxiety (or something)
2010 lopez: 0.3 WAR, horrible at third, and an asshole
2011 theriot: 0.7 WAR

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

man, i didn't know Preston Wilson was that bad.

yikes

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 16, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

his bat was okay. but his defense was just atrocious.

he still managed to dong 17 jacks with an okay .316 wOBA—but he never walked, struck out all the time, and was worth -13 runs with the glove.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

"dong 17 jacks" hahahaha

nice work there fang (not being snarky)

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't that bad

from what I can see. In his time with the Cardinals he had +0.5 fWAR and -0.3 fWAR in ’06 and ’07, respectively. By bWAR, his partial seasons were +0.4 and -0.1. So, by fWAR, an overall +0.2, and by bWAR a +0.3. Not great, but not horrible. Certainly better in that partial year of ’06, than the partial year of ’07, when he injured his knee and never returned.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

In defense of Abraham Nunez,

he filled in for Rolen at third base with a career-high 1.4 fWAR and a .343 OBP. No power to speak of, but he wasn’t horrible.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and was a key part...

of one of my favorite games of the past ten years.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice... I remember this one so well

I was by myself at home and when Edmonds got that hit I was so excited I started running back and forth through my house going WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Especially memorable because I live in the SF Bay Area and hate the Giants

by cardsfan_1986 on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

#3!

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

BUT THAT'S THE ERRIOT'S NUMBER!

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks so much for this article, bgh

a hearty rec for ya

I was trying to make the point about Freese & Jay in the past, that we shouldn’t be so worried about their production. of course it won’t be quite as good but I don’t think it will be a huge dropoff. also, it is safe to say that I’m even more excited about a year of Furcal in 2012 than I was before.

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah great article

I appreciate the OPS adjustments.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

excluding skip and descalso

because I don’t expect either to get a ton of playing time with Greene in the mix, the average expected OPS of 7 players is .838

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

The average 2011 expected OPS WAS .838

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

so those players overachieved then at .848 (inflated BABIP is nice in the past)

just noticed that Holliday and Beltran had the same OPS last year, kinda interesting. this team looks to me one that can really get quite a few line drives, maybe not hit a ton of dingers but hopefully matheny will school ’em on the base running and some of the faster players will be on the bases more often. runnin redbirds!

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyler Greene!

Maybe Beltran and Furc can still show some speed as well, I remember a triple late in the year or early in the the postseason, and I was like, “wow, I had know idea, Furc was so fast!”

side note, barring the missed call on him at 3rd in WS Game 6, Holliday seems like a very capable and hard running base runner

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

scoring from first

without having to blow past a stop sign

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Fantastic research bgh

I’m way impressed and need to digest this and read more into it on the links you provided.

THANKS.

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2012 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

sort of gwynnish imo

of course not as good, but he is displaying a similar skill

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Boy: I’d like to go swimming, but I can’t!
Mom: Why not?
Boy: President Taft is using it!

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

hopefully with the afro too

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

taftsploitation was a very controversial genre of silent film

pretty serious subject to be making light of in this fashion

by Robth on Jan 16, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

TAFT! He' a cowplicated man?

No one udderstand him but his wooooman!

;=8)

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Jan 17, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Taftro!

Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub

by Cardinals645 on Jan 16, 2012 11:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

He has some serious warning track power

If he was a little stronger he would have 5 more HR’s

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

so, will there be more AL games this year? maybe he will be aided by playing in some smaller ballparks. I could also see him gaining slightly more power

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

in like a half hour.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

bill self came out and said it'd be more of a statement win for baylor than for them.

god, i hate kansas. should be a good game though.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe Kansas is -6.5

Stupid home court refereeing advantage.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 16, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

and you just KNOW they'll get all the calls.

if acy and/or jones don’t have 2 fouls with 16 to go in the first half i’ll be shocked.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you mean all the calls?

More calls than the average home team?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

oh god yes.

you ever seen kU play in the phog?

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

it's bad because he doesn't like KU

so if they get favourable calls it is clearly a case of corrupt officiating.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh, bullshit.

anyone in college basketball would tell you the same thing.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That doesn't mean it's right

It’s something that’s pretty easily objectively studied

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

this isn't good argumentation on your part.

“everyone knows it” is a pretty weak case.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"everyone knows" isn't an objective study at all!

perhaps i misunderstand you?

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i wasn't claiming it was.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well at a basic level

See how many calls the average home team gets

See how many calls KU gets at home

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

With readily available play-by-play data, I imagine Basketball Prospectus or KenPom.com has done this.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

kenpom wants 20 bucks/year now.

screw him.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

How dare he try and make a living off of his work!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

he seemed to be doing just fine before.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is this still a thing

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

it's still occasionally funny.

why are lunchables still a thing?

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Because everyone hates you?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well that's just a true statement.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Political correctness

better never contaminate the internet

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

my apologies good sir

It seems, though, that you have made a living after an unpaid internship. I guess the joke is not on you.

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoooooooooooooooooooooo!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

it's cool, guys, fang

does ken’s taxes so he has an intimate knowledge of the man’s financial situation.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I would probably pay $20/year for THAT!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 16, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

YAY KERNING

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

brain twin!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I read this as ken+porn, not pom.

Wondering if SBN should change their font…

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not corrupt, but it is systemic

The studies done on home court advantage in college basketball have pretty much figured out that 90% of it comes down to foul rates AKA referee bias.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 16, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd be interested in looking at those studies,

if it’s not too much trouble to link them here.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's in the book Scorecasting

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true in almost every sport

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's super duper true of college basketball with rabid crowds and basically *every* call being subjective

Exhibit A, the “foul” that Dixon just faked (if you’re watching)

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 16, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Home court is worth like 5 points on average, right?

And KenPom has them as a better team anyways

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i respect kenpom's stuff, i really do.

and it’s hard to argue with his rankings because it’s just pure numbers, but i don’t put too much stock into his kansas ranking. hell, wisconsin is ranked #4.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Wisconsin appears as though it's gotten very unlucky

I do not know what goes into that stat, though. But given the Pythag stats, I don’t see what’s wrong with ranking them #4 going forward

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't it?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i am confused by this comment.

it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be

by il rosso on Jan 16, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Once adjusted for strength of schedule, yeah

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhh...

I don’t have in depth knowledge of how that would be weighted but it seemed illogical at first and now not so much

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie...

I don’t know how Ryan recruits anyone to play in that system. It’s just boring basketball, why would you pick that over somewhere whose gameplan does not involve running around in a circle 30 feet away from the basket for 30 seconds before trying to score.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 16, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Also has

Kansas at 3, Mizzou at 5, Baylor at 11, and K-State at 19.

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I would wager Phog Allen is worth more than average

And Baylor should be Kansas’ matchup nightmare.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 16, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he might be right.

for some reason, most “experts” don’t really seem to think of Baylor as legit title contenders. Winning at Phog Allen will go a long ways to help that.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 16, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

great, I have another 30 minutes to not give a damn

I keed, I keed, Go Mizzou!

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

damn early games.

i’m going to miss most of this one. Hopefully MU makes it unexciting.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 16, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

This is like a golden age for STL sports right?

Good Cardinals, Billikens, Tigers, and Blues. Rams likely to make the playoffs next year.

We’ve never had this kind of success, right?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Rams likely to make the playoffs next year.

WAT

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

say no to drugs, kids.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2012 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   3 recs

We've got decent talent...

a good coach, high picks, cap room, an easy division, and a last place schedule.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

but likely?

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

All things equal...

the team has a 37.5% chance of getting to the playoffs. Considering we could have slightly above average talent and a last place schedule with the AFC east (three mediocre teams), I think you could argue that pushes our playoff probability to 50% or higher.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Rams get these teams next year:

Packers (15-1)
Patriots (13-3)
2 v. Niners (13-3)
Lions (10-6)
2 v. Cardinals (8-8)
Bears (8-8)
Jets (8-8)
2 v. Seahawks (7-9)
Dolphins (6-10)
Bills (6-10)
Redskins (5-11)
Bucs (4-12)
Vikings (3-13)

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

heh

I was going to make a joke about it being similar to 2011 in progression of difficulty…

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So go 8-3 against the 500 or worse teams...

and 2-3 against the other five. Badabing… It’ll be easier than it looks b/c the 49ers will not be as good.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We're no Boston

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

seven titles in nine years.

fuck those guys.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

Cards are great/lucky/in transition
Bilikens-Novelty/who cares
Tigers-basketball/eh
Blues-fuck yes/please god do something in the playoffs
Rams-hahahahahaha

by RasmustheRipper on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed.

Rick Majerus has turned them into a team that should compete for the A10 title year in and year out. They could become a Creighton or Northern Illinois or Missouri State or ODU type of team.

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Boise State, please.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you thinking football?

I was talking bball, since SLU doesn’t have football…

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooh, right

if it’s not pro baseball, I generally have no clue. Think I meant Gonzaga. Heck, they’re only about 7 hours apart by car…

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

As a zags fan,

the 13 years of getting to the dance have been great, but just not quite being ablr to get over the hump and take it all home has been frustrating.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 17, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

wiki does not concur

linkage

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

if you include the college teams, yeah.

if you include just the professional teams calendar years 2000 and 2001 were pretty good.

"Alright, you caught me. I was wearing the clear heels"

-azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Just learnt today that the Billikins were named after a novelty doll of some sort that was very popular circa 1911, per wiki

since the then head coach looked kind of like said doll

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Rams likely to make the playoffs next year.

Well hold on now…

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 16, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

no comment

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 16, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand these rankings at all

they lose to KSU, whic then proceeds to lose to two other Big 12 (hah!) teams (including #4 Baylor), while Mizzou beats unranked ISU by 7 and unranked Texas by 11, and Mizzou moves up 4 spots in the rankings!? Guess MSU, OSU and UNC all losing their third games counts for a lot. Also, go Tigers!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Win by 19. Yay.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, who's a bit wary of the Tigers' lack of a bench, other than me.

Only 7 players on the team. Come March Madness, they are gonna be hurtin’.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I love lohse.

“dgoold Lohse predicts his ERA will drop “half a point” because Beltran is a teammate. “Have you seen his numbers against me?” Lohse said. #STLcards"

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2012 5:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

cool

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

haha! good man.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 16, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

David Cameron does not blink

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Neither does Brady Penny

I’ve been staring at Rui’s avatar for 15 minutes!

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 16, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

the only avatar I ever stare at is guyzimi's

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

/guayzimi's ... man I'm F'ing up all over the place

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahaha

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How did you not know that?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's sign Roy O!

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He only want's one year, and if willing to work out of bullpen / or can share every other start with Westy why not?

Don’t think they should go to six days rest though, must be some alternative solution and take advantage of the opportunity

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Put Westbrook in the bullpen

Those other solutions take starts away from better, higher quality starters on the team

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 16, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What's best for the team...be a team player Westy

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with this.

Oswalt wants 1 year/$8million. Let’s give him a chance to prove himself. If he gets injured or sucks, then we have Westy.

But put Westy in the pin. Watch the WAR roll in!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 16, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

2 rings Westy!

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Alternative

put a hit out on Westbrook. I know a guy who does knees, $62.50 per knee.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually they just might, don't they still do that for multi-million dollar players?

Of course any actual contact between the cardinals and the mechanic physical therapist would have to be via a go between

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, these are 1981 prices.

No discount, to my knowledge.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

Sign Mark Prior!

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Why the hell do we want Oswalt in the pen?

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

As opposed to 3 wins in the rotation.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

oh surely he'd win more than 3 games.

/cue the P-D type comments

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon guys! ... it's so he's handy when one of the SP staff fails and he steps in

You need a make up class?

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 16, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I scored some cheap tickets to the wwe royal rumble today

I plan on counting mullets and NASCAR merchandise being worn

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Jan 16, 2012 5:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

See, that's a name I am not even familiar with

1990 seems way more in line with my childhood memories… Hulk Hogan winning after he survives getting double teamed by Ravishing Rick Rude and Mr. Perfect. And I just found out that Hogan is the only one of the three who has not died due to some sort of drug use.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The best Royal Rumble is the 1992 Royal Rumble.

After Ric Flair won, he gave this interview.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

oh man! I will be there!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jan 16, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

this is also the itinerary for visiting the local wal mart

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 16, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

dead VEB is dead

I’m doing homework, and am bored

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Jan 16, 2012 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

I like these posts bgh.

I understand them more than some others and therefore don’t feel stupid. :)

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 16, 2012 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

Blues game on

Versus NBC Sports.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

AHHHHHHHHHHH

I can watch them!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 16, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Woooooooooooo!

Hopefully the broadcasting team will be better than last time.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

My parents said Versus used home broadcasting teams.

So maybe it will be the “Holy Jumpin’” guy but it may be different now that it’s the “NBC Sport Network.”

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 16, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Doc Emrick is wonderful.

I don’t know how many games he calls on NBC Sports though.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know I had NBC Sports...i figured it would be an additional pay-for channel

Thank you VEB for helping me not miss a Blues game!

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

by mtzxc on Jan 16, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Darren Pang

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 16, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet sassy molassy!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Freeser and The Chief!

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, my Lil Forsch officially said "Hi, Dada" today.

this was actually the second time I’ve heard him say that, but this time my wife was present so I had a witness.

ps. he has yet to say “Hi, Mama”. hahahaha

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

It's because "M" is a harder sound to make then "D."

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 16, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

PAGING PROFESSOR BUZZKILL

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I don't care about her silly facts.

He said my name first and I won’t believe any other reason than he wanted to.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I would believe that but he's been saying mamamamama for a while

and he has yet to look at my wife and say Hi, mama. He literally looked me right in the eye both times and said it on purpose.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The first time he was talking to a cow, right?

/heh

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He may have at that.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember one of ours going dadadadada... or mamamama... at everything

Cats, people, stuffed animals…

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

he almost never says dadadada

He’s literally said Dada twice, both times to me and both times with Hi in front of it. I shit you not.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He actually isn't saying your name.

He’s just a big fan of Tsara.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Argh. Tzara.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

not surprising

our last name is Romanian

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Forsch doesn't sound Romanian

11 in 11' √
"2011 is dead. Long live 2012!." ... azruavatar

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Moo!

:=8D

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Jan 17, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Proto-Punk classic!

:=8)

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Jan 17, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

according to the "top comments"

JJDGAFAYH.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Holy cats, this game.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Blues?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. Wild 1-0 win.

Felt like the Blues had a million chances before one went in.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Tied for first in the league!

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It did feel that way

Oshie’s goal was pretty kick-ass-looking, too.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Jan 16, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

f'in walt
Ken Rosenthal
Source: Ryan Ludwick to #Reds. #MLB

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see if he can find his power again.

It’s like someone threw a switch as soon as he left the Cards.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

or a switch somewhere: ludwick's ISO's 2008-2011

.292
.181
.167
.121

anybody know where the next point on the line-of-best-fit for this graph is?

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by tom s. on Jan 16, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

5

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by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

x9.25^-2

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

2010 w/ Cards- .203

w/ Padres- .120

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by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

sure, but the park factors between busch and petco aren't that ridiculous. both are pitchers' parks.

wRC+ (park adjusted) over the same period

149
106
104
91

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by tom s. on Jan 16, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Right. I think we're together on this.

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by The Continental on Jan 16, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

true fact: ryan ludwick's wOBA in 2011 - .297

ryan theriot – .292
skip schumaker – .300
dan descalso – .296
chris heisey – .343

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by tom s. on Jan 16, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

wat
The Reds have agreed to sign free agent outfielder Ryan Ludwick to a one-year deal that includes a mutual option for 2013, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets. Ludwick gets a $2.5MM guarantee and could earn another $500K in incentives, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets. Beverly Hills Sports Council represents Ludwick, who played for Cincinnati GM Walt Jocketty in St. Louis.

jocketty can’t seem to figure out if he has no money or too much. $2.5m seems like a lot.

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by tom s. on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, it's pretty damn likely that he gets to .5 WAR

But it’s still not a signing I love

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by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

he didn't last year, and he got 550 PAs. now granted he had a down year on UZR numbers and a minor BABIP dip,

which may be mostly luck.

otoh, he won’t get 550 PA’s in cincinnati unless he’s vastly improved or somebody gets hurt.

it’s not improbable that he reaches half-a-win, but it seems very likely that somebody equally good will be available on a minor league deal or for $1m later in the offseason.

if there wasn’t anybody better available, i would have saved the money for later in the season.

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by tom s. on Jan 16, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't he get 550 PAs in Cincy?

Don’t they have nobody to play LF?

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by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

they've got Johnny Gomes

Oh…..wait……nevermind

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Heisey

um…..

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by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Reds fan here

Red Reporter generally hating getting Ludwick deal, as Heisey is a favorite. I don’t love the deal, but I think going to GABP could help….seems like PETCO destroyed Ludwick.

How bad is he defensively though?

I just hope this means Walt doesn’t have the money now to get Ryan Theriot…that would be worse.

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

keep on spending that money like it's burning a hole in your wallet, walt!

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

you can't take it with you

are there any more active jocketty/stl era cardinals left? … Ryan Franklin out of retirement?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 5:34 AM EST up reply actions  

ankiel

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by tom s. on Jan 17, 2012 5:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Now thaaat would be hilarious!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:06 AM EST up reply actions  

What ... he's still here

soooo far Jocketty has singed anyone away from us, only our castoffs

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

OK see your point

but I meant that aren’t Cardinals presently

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, 2.5m seems ridiculously high,

plus an option. I was thinking he would get around 1m.

by mick311 on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Late night listening

Creedence – Effigy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qBM9v01qw

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

try this one

here

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

can't argue with the message

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He's got a bunch of those. he just cracks me the hell up.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah i'm watching the fat girl one now

“I went home with a fat girl once a bunch of times”

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

"before we did anything, she gave me a shot of penicillin"

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

standard procedure

is to give him Coors and a shot.

this meme will still make me laugh anytime, anywhere I think of it.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have to substitute for Coors

but I agree with the procedure

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

25 dollar shoes!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

a Holliday roll would probably include cinnamon schnapps

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm rereading that thread.

Man, that was a great day.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 16, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Y2S =(

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by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

come back Y2S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 5:43 AM EST up reply actions  

that's how he got there in the first place

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

"If you love your country" ... thought the whole crowd was going "to show them to me"

Also, I’d like to shake your Daddy’s hand

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

So Jim Edmonds noticed my love of his twitter feed
@JEdmonds15
Jim Edmonds
Still working on my skills Clank.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jan 16, 2012 11:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yes, it really happened.

Clank is now our source for Edmonds information.

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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Jan 16, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Clank's creepin JEd

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I can see that happening.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Clank!

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

ask him if he wants to be the OF coach

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 5:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I'M BORED

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by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

Meh

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by mysterui on Jan 16, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

smoke weed

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The 1993 Hornets are playing the 1993 Knicks

in the first of two overtimes in Game 3 of the Playoffs on NBA Network.

Everytime Doug Collins says ‘Doc Rivers’ name I think he’s talking about a coaching decision, not him posting up Muggsy Bogues hard at the top of the key.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 16, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

when did we get invaded by bots?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah same here

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

not that it's news that aj burnett collapsed, but:

and his average FB velocity has dipped by 2.4 mph in five seasons.

07: 95.1
08: 94.3
09: 94.2
10: 93.2
11: 92.7

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by tom s. on Jan 17, 2012 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

he'd get some rebound moving to the NL and a pitcher's park - the HRs last year did him in.

he might still be okay, but he won’t ever be the pitcher he was. if the yanks ate virtually all of his salary (he makes $16.5m next season and again in 2013), we could give them somebody of modest value. i am curious to see what they do with the huge volume of pitching they now have: burnett, nova, garcia, hughes.

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by tom s. on Jan 17, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to see him here

he’d be like a potentially better Jeff Weaver.

by openside on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

whoa whoa now, Dunc is retired

We already have Romero, one project at a time

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 5:48 AM EST up reply actions  

that's probably not too uncommon for hard throwing pitchers

most of them adjust better.

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by vivaelpujols on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Woke me up at 3:30 ... are you ok?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:06 AM EST up reply actions  

i literally just feel asleep at 3am

When the sirens went off. In south city they get on a speaker box and start talking. It was pretty loud. So now I am drinking Maple Bourbon.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2012 6:09 AM EST up reply actions  

so you've got that going for you

pretty quite out now but looks like wunderground saying st clair still under warning until 0700 … also projecting minor flooding for the affected areas hit by the 2" of rainfall

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:14 AM EST up reply actions  

/quiet

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:15 AM EST up reply actions  

at least it is not snow

Probably be like a foot and half at least

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2012 6:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I would rather have snow, than flooding or ice storm

but with a foot and a half, flooding would surely follow if it melted quickly sooo

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:22 AM EST up reply actions  

damn I think I hear sirens

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:31 AM EST up reply actions  

must have been from the base

Did get hail here though

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Sheckie did you enjoy your record yesterday?
Statement as of 04:28 PM CST on January 16, 2012

… Record high temperature set at Columbia MO…

a record high temperature of 70 degrees was set at Columbia MO
today. This breaks the old record of 69 set in 1990.

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 17, 2012 6:20 AM EST reply actions  

and right now

I’m standing at a gas station in Columbia and a bank nearby says it’s 26.. and I’m calling it a dirty liar.

> tebow

by cschepers on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Good

stuff. Interesting topic, informative, and easy-to-read. The trifecta, and I’m not even a Cardinals fan.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 17, 2012 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

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