St. Louis Eats
by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2011 1:57 AM EDT
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Good Thing: Cardinals won yesterday against the Reds.
Bad Thing: Corey Patterson got ANOTHER at bat.
Predictable Thing: Corey Patterson struck out.
Good Thing: Jaime Garcia struck out 6 in 6 innings.
Bad Thing: Arthur Rhodes coughed up a HR to Jay Bruce.
Good Thing: Ryan Theriot was not playing shortstop.
Bad Thing: Neither was Tyler Greene.
I'm bored with a team that's only called up a couple of players when they are obviously out of it in September. Show me the kids. Now, the long awaited part one to what will eventually be VEB's Guide to the Lou. Feel free to chat amongst yourselves but if there's any comments on the format of the guide, I'll check back for those and take them into consideration.
If there's a food joint that I left off and you feel strongly about, leave a comment on that as well as WHY you like it. (I could use some extra details on the ethnic recommendations from the original thread -- namely the Thai and German.) I haven't eaten everywhere people. Try and keep it near the ballpark or downtown STL. Original thread. Not everyone's going to agree on what does and doesn't make the list but I don't want to leave off anything really good.
Type of Food: Sushi
Restaurant: Wasabi
Location: 1228 Washington Ave
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Yes; 1.1 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: Because it's the best sushi in downtown St. Louis. Fresh fish, a casual atmosphere and reasonable prices.
Type of Food: BBQ
Restaurant: Pappy's
Location: 3106 Olive Street
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Kinda; 2.4 mi (map)
Restaurant: Bogart's
Location: 1627 9th Street
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Yes; 1.2 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: It's the best BBQ in St. Louis. You'll find a lengthy line at Pappy's every day at lunch -- so much so that the owners opened another restaurant called Bogarts. Same great BBQ. Limited seating.
Type of Food: Pizza
Restaurant: Pi
Location: 400 N. Euclid
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: No; 4.5 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: They've won awards for pizza! Pi is the upscale pizzeria of St. Louis best known for it's deep dish pizza.
Restaurant: Imo's
Location: 742 S 4th St
Withing Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Yes; 0.3 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: The first question you'll get if you are from St. Louis is what high school you went to. The second question is whether you like Imo's pizza. The famous thin crust pizza with it's provel cheese is something you'll either love or hate but you'll always be able to argue with St. Louis natives once you've had it.
Type of Food: Fine Cuisine
Restaurant: Niche
Location: 1831 Sidney St
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Kinda; 2.2 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: Gerard Craft - he's famous (well, chef famous) and if you're looking for fine dining in St. Louis, Niche is the place.
Type of Food: Italian
Restaurant: The Hill
Location: 5000 block of Shaw Hill and adjacent Streets
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: No; ~5 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: Depending on who you ask, you'll get different recommendations on which restaurant is the best Italian on the hill. There's lots of choices and it's virtually impossible to find a bad restaurant there.
Restaurant: Charlie Gitto's
Location: 207 N. 6th St
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Yes; 0.4 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: It's closer than the hill and has a rather expansive menu beyond the Italian cuisine. Cardinal and baseball memorabilia is featured as decoration. Also, ravioli.
Type of Food: Dessert
Restaurant: Crown Candy
Location: 1401 St Louis Avenue West
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Don't Walk Here; (map)
Why You Should Go: Crown Candy has been around since 1913. They make their own chocolate and assorted candies. They were on the Food Network for their 5 malt challenge.
Restaurant: Ted Drewes
Location: 4224 S Grand Blvd
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: No; 4.6 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: It's really good, guys! And gals! Thick frozen custard and some Cardinal themed desserts.
Type of Food: Grease Bomb
Restaurant: Eat-Rite
Location: 622 Chouteau Avenue
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Yes; 0.5 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: You're completely plastered and you're looking for something to soak up the booze.
Type of Food: Cardinal Affiliations
Restaurant: Shannon's Steakhouse
Location: 620 Market Street
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Yes; 0.4 mi (map)
Restaurant: Jim Edmond's 15 Steakhouse
Location: 1900 Locust Street
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Yes; 1.4 mi (map)
Restaurant: Joe Buck's
Location: 1000 Clark Ave
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Yes; 0.4 mi (map)
Restaurant: Pujol's 5 Westport Grill
Location: 342 Westport Plaza
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: No; 16.0 mi (map)
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Are there any kids to call up?
Greene is what, 28? I guess Carpenter is 25 but to me a “kid” is less than that.
They did call up Cleito, who is 22. But given his horrible walk rate, I can only think they are trying to show how great the Ryan deal was by forcing Cleito to the majors before he’s ready.
And I’ve said it before – don’t judge St. Louis style pizza by Imo’s. It’s the McDonald’s of St. Louis style pizza (and Cecil Whitaker’s being the Arby’s)
by my calculations
eat rite is kinda like the clean air act and the leave no child behind is whatever-it-is
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 4, 2011 5:10 AM EDT reply actions
I must say though
that the Jason Motte/Gerald Laird pic is absolutely top notch, and that is commendable.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 4, 2011 5:12 AM EDT reply actions
Bad Thing: Cardinals are still 8.5 behind MIL
Not Quite As Bad Thing: Cardinals are 7.5 behind ATL in the wild card
I can’t believe Joe Buck has a restaurant – who does he think he is? Gotta love nepotism.
Has anyone besides me...
Had the thicker crust pizza at Imos? It’s truly scrumtrulescent! Plus don’t forget about that St Louis tradition of the Outback Steakhouse!
by live6453 on Sep 4, 2011 8:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hope pizza can be much deeper including Blackthorne and Rigazzi's
I don’t see sandwiches which could Atleast include Amaghettis and Blues City Deli. Also if it’s VEB’s guide any Cardinal nation food list is incomplete without oyster bar. And if we do fast food we can include Lions Choice. Also Courtesy Diner for breakfast.
Also, since some of us live out in surrounding suburbia, I will be the voice of Franklin County and say that Aldo’s for itialian/pizza and Basket for sandwiches in Washington are both great. Bugsy’s for stuffed mushrooms or salad in Union is really good and while Krakow store in Krakow has better biscuits and gravy, Rothschild’s in Washington is the best breakfast place I’ve ever found. It’s better than Uncle Bills or Courtesy Diner and it’s not even close. If anyone has shout outs for other areas like North or South county, St Charles County, or the east side that may be helpful to other outliers in the area
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 4, 2011 8:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And thank you for linking to the original thread
There’s a deep list of great places that got mentioned and it’s too much to list all of them
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 4, 2011 8:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you a real Cards fan?
1st: I’m not 100% sold they’re out of it – yet!
2nd: maybe this is an audition for Furcal?
3rd: you didn’t mention Ozzie’s. A plug for THE greatest SS ever.
I think Ozzie's is currently closed
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
they already closed the new one on Washington?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I was surprised the Westport one lasted as long as it did.
He must have had a sweet lease on that space or something.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They're out of it
I’m not going to pretend like they still have a shot.
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I'm not willing to say they're out of it until after the Brewers series.
If they sweep again, they’re still in it. If not, I’m ready to play the kids….or what kids there are….or, I suppose, anyone on the 40 man roster not named Corey Patterson or Ryan Theriot.
Or, former Cubs…..if that makes it easier.
(Just off the top of my head, I can’t think of any other former cubs on the roster)
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I didn't say they were going to run away with the division
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
No one has ever asked me that before.
You caught me. I’m a fake Cardinals fan that writes about the team on a weekly basis and their minor league team 3+ times a week. I thought I had the perfect cover. Can’t fool you.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Well, everybody knows that robots only play chess.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been bamboozled!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Hamburgers: Blue Berry Hill in the Loop - 7.8 miles from the stadium
Italian/Fine Dining: Maggiano’s Little Italy in Brentwood – 9.5 miles from the stadium
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
I do love Maggiano's ...
but I’m not sure there is anything particularly St. Louisy about it.
Blueberry Hill has gone downhill, imo.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Maggianos isn't saint louisy...
its just freaking awesome….and the next closest one is in Chicago
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's a chain?
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
A couple of things:
1) Pi is opening up a downtown location in the new Mercantile Exchange at 600 Washington (formerly St. Louis Center).
2) Regarding Crown Candy, let people make their own damn decision whether it’s too dangerous a walk/bike ride. The trek to Old North is no more dangerous than a walk down Broadway to the brewery or along Euclid in the CWE. It’s time to kill the “don’t-go-past-Cass” mentality.
3) Charlie Gitto’s…mmm. Try the chicken Parmesan or the meatloaf. But the best toasted ravioli definitely goes to Caleco’s (Chestnut and Broadway)
4) Best brunch spot – Lola on 14th and St. Charles. Three words: Chicken. And. Waffles.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Sep 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Have you been there recently?
Besides, there are always police at and around Crown Candy. It’s quite safe.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
I don't know how I can suggest in good conscious
that a tourist walk through part of North St. Louis. I’m with stlfan — there may be crime through various parts of StL but there is a substantial # of violent crimes (namely murders) in North St. Louis.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I've driven thru N. StL
I sure as hell wouldn’t walk thru it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
what?...
do you have some sort of hold up about neighborhoods that don’t have any windows?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, yeah....I know, it's profiling.
But I’m just a lil ol country boy, we don’t go and the big city makes me a little wary and that particular area makes my Spidey senses tingle.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
*don't go often
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The woman I'm dating works in north stl
For a large company. All the women have to leave when the sun sets at the latest.
That said I’ve gone walking through downtown Detroit before looking for a liquor store on a sunday afternoon. Didn’t find one but didn’t get shot either
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
take that walk 100 times...
i bet you get shot at at least once
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta give it to him though
dude must have jumbo-sized coconuts.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
or peanut sized brain.
kinda the same thing, usually
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't going to say that....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The trek to Old North is no more dangerous than a walk down Broadway to the brewery or along Euclid in the CWE. It’s time to kill the "don’t-go-past-Cass" mentality.
I guess that’s true unless you consider being murdered “more dangerous,” since statistically you’re, like, way more like to get murdered in North City. You don’t have to take my word for it either, the STL-PD plots the locations of all murders in STL. That sea of red dots? North city.
That doesn’t mean it’s likely that something bad will happen to you if you go to Crown Candy, but it would be irresponsible not to at least warn potential visitors.
I’ll also respectfully disagree with you on the toasted ravioli. I say Lombardo’s.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
There's only been one murder in that area all year
http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/html_b1ea1c08-2411-11e0-96a8-0017a4a78c22.html
Grit != flat out sucking.
LOL
that link is dated 2/22/11
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
oh...i guess its still up to date though
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Never been
but I hear that Rooster is an incredible breakfast, as well.
Have been – O’Connell’s Pub is THE place for burgers – just off the East side of The Hill.
Rooster's coffee is freaking amazing..
thats the only thing i’ve ever gotten there though
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Forever a Cards fan
I just do not live close to St Louis anymore. I used to call Ozzie’s before my trip up, but has been awhile. Live in Atl now, the Braves are aging fast and their playoff hopes rest on Bourne’s steals and McCann’s bat. We just need Carp to actually have 2 or 3 decent games. He has stunk, been a Double A pitcher at best.
Carpenter had a really really good stretch of games up until his last 2 starts
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
is it just my Carp loving bias making this statement
of has it seemed like Carp has also had to pitch through a shitload of 4 and 5 out innings this season?
i would imagine with our defense,
most of our pitchers have. I’d imagine the only reason Carp has pitched through more innings like that than the others is just that he has pitched more innings than the others
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Goold tweeted something yesterday about Carp's defense being the second-most damaging in baseball.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
just a guess...
1. Garcia
2. Carpenter
3. Lohse
4. Westbrook
?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're going by ERA-FIP he's 6th in the NL.
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goold tweeted yesterday or the day before
that Carp has had the highest number of defensive miscues and errors behind him in all of baseball.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
well Carpenter does have the second highest amount of balls in play in the majors to Pavano
so it’s not really surprising.
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BOOM
that’s how you do well researched analysis.
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What is the average defensive miscue/error rate as compared to Carpenter's?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 4, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If I knew how many errors have been made with carp on the mound I could answer this.
the league average fielding percentage being .977 gives you an idea of league average.
/league average team has allowed 3825 balls in play with 86 errors.
Carp has allowed 633 balls in play with ??? errors.
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just looking at the career fielding %age for shortstops
a few poor fielders make it in the top 40 (jeter) so probably close to never meaningful.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/fielding_perc_ss_career.shtml
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according to B-ref, 9 batters have reached base due to an error while Carp pitched
so a .986 fielding percentage?
/not actually saying fielding percentage is a meaningful stat.
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need some sort of team UZR for each pitcher..
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
this is actually a significantly smaller sample than a season for a fielder
so we don’t know anything
right, it's best to just use ERA-FIP( or other DIPS preference) if we're going to do anything.
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but that ignores other errors, like a throwing or fielding
Error that lets a runner take second on a single, etc.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
by tom s. on Sep 4, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea, i admit just took the lazy approach to doing this.
I mean it’s fielding percentage!
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Carp's last 10 starts
Carps averaging 3.1 runs in 6.8 innings over his last 10 starts. Not what you’d like to see out of your ace and two 6 run outings when the Brewers are killing it. Sounds like he has lost it under pressure. Hope the renogotiate him down to 6 mil/yr or buy him out. Trade Holiday and that massive $17 mil contract. Omg. What is that – almost $1 mil per HR anymore, then Albert will be asking for $45 per.
Ozzie is the greatest SS ever!
While I don't think Carpenter is his old self...
I think its a bit harsh to call him a AA pitcher. The guy has been an absolute horse for us and you almost certainly wouldn’t be holding on to that last shred of hope if it wasn’t for him. Holliday is having a great season and has been worth every penny of his contract (as far as baseball players being worth their contract is concerned) so far.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 4, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
didn't you hear?
Holliday is a an overpaid bum, you must’ve missed that memo.
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This reads like a telegram
And I think I like it. This is meant to be art, right?
Sounds like he lost it under pressure.
STOP
Hope the renogotiate
STOP
Trade Holiday and that massive $17 mil contract
STOP
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
by lightbulb on Sep 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Holliday has been a bargain so far
under that “massive $17 million contract.” He’s easily outperformed it so far.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Please no offense Ghost of Todd Burns
The Cards need fighters down the stretch, wasn’t trying to be disrepectful. Love my Cards.
Ozzie is the greatest SS ever!
reply button is your friend.
also, welcome to VEB.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
heh
looks like somebody went right past lurking
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
not to quibble
but if you’re looking for ‘fighters’, you’re not going to find a bigger fighter than Carp.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
More on the Pujols 2011 Watch front:
Albert’s OPS is up to .924. Berkman and Holliday are both at .948. Odds Albert will finish the year leading the team in OPS?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
With a little help from Votto and Kemp...
he could lead the league in ops+…. which is just unbelievable.
Cardinals magic number: 31
Brewers magic number: 15
Wouldn't that take quite the choke job by those two?
Also, Albert is now at 5.0 fWAR. Holliday is at 5.4, Berk at 3.7 (wow, defense). Will Albert top Holliday in WAR by the end of the year? I could see it happening.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Not really...
he’s up to 155 (vs 166-167). He was in the upper 130s a month ago iirc.
Cardinals magic number: 31
Brewers magic number: 15
Anyway, it would be tough to do
He’d have to get pretty ridiculous and also start making walks instead of outs at a higher pace to bring the OBP up.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Yeah tough to do...
but he’s been on an insane tear recently….
Cardinals magic number: 31
Brewers magic number: 15
You're talking about the guy that wrote the book on ridiculous
or at least several chapters.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell, Albert could (10% chance?) still win MVP if we make the postseason
The “Albert took the team on his back and reinvigorated the offense, chemistry, etc.” narrative could take flight.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
And 10%, I mean 10% chance he wins it if our 1% chance of making the post-season happens
So a net 0.1% overall chance of MVP I guess.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
It any over til the fat lady sings!
Cardinals win today, sweep the Brewers, and go 14-5 in their remaining games.
Brewers lose today, are swept by the Cards, and go 9-9 in their remaining games
Kyle Lohse outpitches Zach Greinke in a one game playoff to win the division
Cards take three of five vs Halladay, Lee, Hamels, and Oswalt
Cards demolish the Braves in five
Cards shut down the Red Sox – Westbrook goes 2-0 in the WS to win WSMVP
What part of this isn’t plausible??
Cardinals magic number: 31
Brewers magic number: 15
I will be at the game today ladies and germs
Proudly sporting a 1985 Ozzie batting practice jersey (birthday presents are the best). Also, I have no idea if anybody else will be around there, but I’ll be sitting in the Redbird Club area (generous parents who share tickets are also the best). I hope the home team triumphs over the Red Menace.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Bring us back a win, bobo.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to clarify, my duty was to do my best, not to magically guarantee victory
I am not a wizard, sirs!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
You call that an excuse?!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy Birthday
The best present ever. No one can ever play the position better. Templeton was good, but glad we made the trade.
Ozzie is the greatest SS ever!
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Actually it was a birthday present from a few months ago
But I pretty much only wear it to games… I think this is the second time I’ve worn it.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Thai rec
Sen Thai at 13th and Locust is the best around.
The food is excellent and, interestingly enough, so is the flatware.
by flatware, do you mean the little place mats that have pics to color
and interesting little bits of trivia to read? I love those.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I was there a few times a while back --
was the flatware oversized? I can’t quite remember.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I was feeling dorkish
and couldn’t stop myself from asking that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I've eaten a lot of Thai food in my life
The King and I is among the best I’ve ever had
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 4, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Playoff chances are at about 2 percent right now per Baseball Prospectus
And for what’s it worth, we are 5 times more likely to win the wild card then the division. TIme to start worrying about Atlanta more than the BrewCrew.
And, for what it’s worth, Atlanta lost yesterday while the Cradinals won.
And, for what it’s worth, we do have a 3 game series with Atlanta next weekend at Busch.
Keep hope alive — remember 2006
That you, Jack?
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by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp #10 in fWAR for NL Pitchers
Also, Grienke has a 3.4 WAR in 141 innings, and he leads the NL in K/9 (10.67) and xFIP (2.48).
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
but he sucks, didn't you read that earlier?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I did
And I knew he’d been very much not-sucky, but I didn’t realize just how good he’d been. 4+ WAR out of a 36-year old pitcher. That’s some nice value.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
yep. he's pretty much paid back his contract for this year.
I have found it interesting that he’s not been his unsucky self in the two games since Tony pulled him and they blew it. I realize this is no revelation, just interesting.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I just realized if I had to write down all the pitching prospects the Braves have had the past 4 years (i probably can't do it without research)
I would be extremely disappointed with this organization and probably every other team as well.
/random thought
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disappointed in terms of pitching prospects production
it also makes the amount we’re spending on our rotation more depressing as well.
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Nah...the Cards have been churning out some solid relievers and the starters are on the way.
McClellan
Boggs
Motte
Sanchez
Salas
Lynn
Garcia
Miller
Martinez
Swagerty
Certainly not on par with the Braves, but nothing to be disappointed about even when comparing it to ATL.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
eh, most of the guys I was thinking about would be good starters on any team if given a shot
Garcia, Martinez, and Miller are probably the only 3 I would consider(maybe lynn) if I compared it to the braves list.
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honestly, I wasn't even thinking about their RP prospects they've had.
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all that SP depth just means
they will be willing to trade us Tommy Hanson soon, right?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well done, Azru
I think you’ve covered the basics well. I hate when these lists get so bloated that I feel like I need another list just to tell me what the best places on the original list are. The only thi8ng I’d add is maybe a bar category.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
although maybe bars was on a separate list, if I recall.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
bars will be a separate list
and yes — leaving things out is the hardest part.
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Line up
Cardinals St. Louis Cardinals
9/4 lineup: Furcal SS, Jay CF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Berkman RF, Schumaker 2B, Laird C, Descalso 3B, Jackson P
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by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
...
MatthewHLeach Matthew Leach
Per @CardsInsider, Molina out again today. Freese as well, but guessing that’s a matchup thing (0-for-9 vs 5-for9). #StLCards
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by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the Brewers think anything south of Chicago is Texas.
Haudricourt Tom by dgoold
#Brewers clubhouse is going to resemble the set from the remake of “Dallas” today. Players bought western garb to wear to St. Louis.
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by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
mine
Type of Food: Deli
Restaurant: Blues City Deli
Location: 2438 McNair Avenue
Within Walking Distance of Busch Stadium: Maybe; 2.3 mi (map)
Why You Should Go: Because it’s the best Deli in the greater St. Louis area. Large selection of sandwiches. Premium soda(or beer) and chips. Line may be out the door but it moves qucik!
Grit != flat out sucking.
I'm not sure if VEB wants to see the kinds play yet
We through a hissy fit when Robinson PH for Jay.
Grit != flat out sucking.
no one wants to see Robinson play.
I think when the term “kids” is used it is meant for the 28-year old Tyler Green and Adron Chambers. Not really much to see in AAA. Cleto got called up, but I don’t think anyone really cares to see him mess up our nice clean bullpen.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
but I think Mo wants to see what robinson can do in the bigs this year
as well as greene
Grit != flat out sucking.
Aside from the kids,
I want to see what Furcal does the rest of the way. Which, unfortunately, gives less room for the kids to play.
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by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Except the org probably also wants to see what Skip does the rest of the way.
They have to make a decision on him too.
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by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing left to be gleaned.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not much wheat compared to the chaff
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 4, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
please just trade skip for anything.
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Why would we need to see Skip anymore?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 4, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to,
I just figured the FO would. Maybe not.
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by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he actually CAN play 2nd, right?
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I thought Omaha had already won the PCL division championship?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 4, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If my choice is Robinson or no one
I guess I’ll take Robinson. That callup looks to me like the team is panicked about their lack of RH CF options for 2012 now that Jay’s numbers took a nose dive at the end of the year.
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I'm gonna send tommy pham a get-well-soon card now.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
by tom s. on Sep 4, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Trading Ottavino
Per Goold:
First-round pick and Class AAA starter Adam Ottavino spent all of the season in limbo and could find his next opportunity with another club. The righty went 6-8 with a 5.04 ERA in 25 games (24 starts) for Triple-A Memphis, though he could not regain his spot on the 40-man roster. According to multiple sources, there appears to mutual interest in finding a suitable trade that will allow Ottavino to open 2012 with another team.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_3a2114f5-5e7a-5633-9f85-4f74a12a9058.html#ixzz1X0MimKt6
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If Luke Hochever was drafted 30th overall by the Cardinals
and Adam Ottavino was drafted 1st overall by the Royals in 2006….isn’t it fair to say that Ottavino would have Luke’s career and Luke would have Adam’s right now?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Also how the hell are the #1 and #2 picks from that year Hochever and Greg Reynolds
When Longoria, Kershaw, and Lincecum are sitting right there
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect Ottavino to have Dotel's career at some point where he makes an awesome ROOGY.
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Once upon a time Dotel owned the seventh...
then Lidge took the eighth and Wagner the ninth.
The Astros were an intimidating team.
Cardinals magic number: 31
Brewers magic number: 15
Those early-Aughts Astros were so fun to play against.
I would make a point of watching every game. Of course, that was easy back in my college days.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Big thanks to il russo!
For posting the 06 post season gamethreads. I just finished reading all 3.2 Millions comments and felt like, ever more so as I continued reading, it was Oct 2006 again. I feel like I should be watching a WS game 1 today. Has me on a real high. Let’s go Crads!
11 in '11
So...either the Stan Musial's all-time mark for HR's by a cardinal player
falls next season….or stands for at least 20 more years.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 4, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
so, no longer around
musial and biggies
mavrakos candy
??
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Stan & Biggie's is gone,
there’s a Biggie’s Restaurant on Watson now. It’s OK.
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by The Continental on Sep 4, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm late to the party
But if you like beer I’d recommend Bridge Tap House at Locust and 10th just south of Washington . 200 beers, 55 on tap and they also have some pretty good food. Its owned my Dave Bailey who also owns Bailey’s Chocolate Bar and Rooster.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
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