Cutting the St. Louis Cardinals down to postseason size
by DanUpBaby on Sep 30, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
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PrintThis is the price we pay to watch the Cardinals come crashing into the playoffs at the last minute: All through the NLDS we're going to hear about how perfectly constructed the Phillies are for postseason play. We're going to hear that because they really are a great team and, secondarily, because the one way of looking at postseason teams differently from their regular season counterparts that's gone mainstream is to lop off the back of their rotation and look at their two or three main guys. Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels—done.
In that sense, it's hard to look at the Phillies as anything but ideally designed for a deep playoff run. Their top three pitchers each averaged about seven innings a start, so the back of the bullpen—already marginalized in a playoff setting—is even less of an issue, and the time they spent without Chase Utley and Placido Polanco (and Hunter Pence) is no longer a concern.
But allowing that the Phillies are a better baseball team than the Cardinals—that they have been all season and likely still are right now—doesn't mean the Cardinals don't have some of those same effects working in their favor. After the jump, the fat that can be cut out of the Cardinals' 90-72 season.
The Cardinals' biggest gains come from dropping their fifth starters, as you might expect—Chris Carpenter, Jaime Garcia, Kyle Lohse, and Edwin Jackson haven't been nearly as effective as Halladay, Lee, and Hamels, but Jake Westbrook, who finished the season with 183 innings at an ERA+ of 78, and Kyle McClellan were considerably worse than Roy Oswalt and Vance Worley. They also gain from trading Eduardo Sanchez, Marc Rzepczynski, and Octavio Dotel for Ryan Franklin, Miguel Batista, Brian Tallet, and Trever Miller; those relievers combined to allow 10% of the team's earned runs in 6% of its innings, which is not great.
So if the team's pitching is still less than stellar, it's no longer anything short of average; Fernando Salas and Jason Motte are completely capable at the front of a bullpen, Lohse and Jackson are perfectly useful playoff starters, and Ryan Franklin's 8.46 ERA can safely be wiped from the record books.
The team also improves on offense and defense, although the extent to which they do that is dependent on Matt Holliday and Rafael Furcal's health. Out goes Ryan Theriot, except as lefty-competent pinch-hitter and second baseman; in comes, at least, Nick Punto.
One problem with that kind of trade is that the Cardinals have actually had an outstanding bench this season—a benefit they're much less likely to experience in the playoffs, aside from Allen Craig replacing Matt Holliday as needed. Only Tyler Greene had as many as 100 plate appearances with an OPS+ under 84 for the Cardinals this season, and surprisingly excellent performances from guys like Daniel Descalso were critical in the team's injury-plagued regular season. The Phillies, meanwhile, picked up their 102 wins despite facing 500 black-hole PAs from Wilson Valdez (73) and Michael Martinez (48), not to mention some awful work from name-brand backup catcher Brian Schneider (38).
All that bench work made the difference between playoff baseball and watching Tyler Greene/learning to whittle, but it's like having a great fifth starter; it doesn't make a huge difference in a situation where you'll be riding Roy Halladay—or, uh, David Freese—into the ground.
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Oh, do those Cardinals know how to get us fans pumped up for postseason play…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 30, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kettle One ad?
by Please Tommy Don't Herr't 'Em on Sep 30, 2011 9:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't get it
what are we supposed to be looking at over there?
when I logged on this morning
The “Go Crazy Folks” clip came up. It is awesome. I assume that’s what this is about.
by WyoCardsFan on Sep 30, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
WOW...
I didnt realize Tyler Greene led the team in steals with a whopping 11. Kinda sad.
by BigJawnMize on Sep 30, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
not too sad
when you realize that the Cardinals lead the league in scoring. Stealing is overrated.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Sep 30, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
But the hit and run and bunting are overrated too but those haven’t gone by the waste-side with this manager.
by BigJawnMize on Sep 30, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit and run...
overrated? Bwwwuuuuhhhhh?
by mynameistyler on Sep 30, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
A million times this.
Remeber when Michael Bourn got on base and stole second and would have been the Braves winning run except stealing doesn’t work every time?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
their*
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When I clicked on it, it showed Wagonmaker's legendary bender to Beltran
Still get goose bumps over that.
* sarcasm may be involved in this comment.
by Futility Infielder on Sep 30, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
There are several, all good!
Ozzie’s homer, Yadi’s homer, both of Waino’s K’s for the pennant and the Series. Awesome. Just awesome.
by mynameistyler on Sep 30, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If you take away the games we blew with leads after 8
our regular season record would be pretty similar to the Phillies
That said, their rotation gives them a huge playoff advantage
Did you take those games away from the Phillies to?
Assuming they had any.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
especially given we start against halladay & lee with lohse & EJ
gonna be a tax on our pen early, more than likely
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well, we got to their pitching before, no reason not to do it now
especially since even our grittiest gritsters now feel like they have wings
if good lohse shows up and ejax can remember how he threw that absurd no hitter and out middle infield sucks only half as bad and the force of torty is with us, then i see no reason to be that afraid of philly
especially since everyone is betting against us. this team seems to be eating this underdog stuff up
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I am not scared of the Phillies
There was a time when I would not be able to believe I could say that. But at this moment I do not feel intimidated.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
at the same time, though, i have low expectations
if we take even one game, i’ll be happy. that’s more baseball than the reds will be seeing.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That would mean two games in St. Louis,
which is my goal for the team.
"The game of baseball is what it is." — TLR
they do love their alliteration over there
“Must C Clinch: The Cardinals claim the NL Wild Card”
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen the phrase "September to Remember" as much as I thought
I also have yet to see our team referred to as “The Wild Cards”
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Ah ha!
I was thinking more along the lines of internet headlines, but it’s hard to deny that this counts.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
If Motte picks up a save
that damn well better be in at least 50% of the headlines
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm suddenly left wondering why there's never been a Jason Motte "Smell The Glove" photoshop
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Someone made it but they had to pull the fanshot cause it was sexist
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
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Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
by Vindicator9000 on Sep 30, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Motte should have his own fragrance
and this should be the picture used in the ad.
“Musky smell of sweat-stained leather and applesauce. “Motte Eau de Toilette”. For men."
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
by fourstick on Sep 30, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Is that like "Taste the Rainbow"?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 30, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
only the local media covers us, the national media couldn't care less
and our media are not a cheesy but a classy bunch, so
oh, wait…
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Is Sanchez on the roster for this series?
You seem to be assuming he will be, but if so, I missed the announcement (quite credible). Who would he replace?
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
How much you guys wanna bet
That the coverage of our series with the Phillies will focus on the clash between the league’s best pitching and the league’s best offense? I mean, it’s right there in front of them. Clearly they’ll point this out. I can’t really tell if I’m being sarcastic or not. I could see this getting overlooked.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
There was no mention of the cards' offense on MLBN last night when I watched
Only the drunken mumbling of Mitch Williams about Phillies’ pitching. I am always amazed at his ignorance.
No comments about the Cards taking 3 out of 4 in Philly recently of course. Or their winning record against them this year.
i think that's what it'll be about
philly pitching
if they mention us, it’ll be about the pujols contract
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
"should" what?
Should be overlooked? I meant in the sense of “ignored” though I suppose it could also be over-analyzed.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Again, I started that post off sarcastically and then kind of relented halfway through
I think it’s entirely possible that we will hear over and over again about the Phillies’ pitching while the Cardinals’ offense gets much less talk. However, I may be wrong about that.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Ohh, gotcha.
I just assume they will constantly focus on the best pitching versus the best hitting angle.
Cool
I would expect that from Fangraphs, though. I am not sure about TBS.
Also, another cool thing I just realized about the Cardinals; We have the best offense in the NL in 2011, and we’re fourth in the majors. The Yankees, Red Sox, and Rangers had better offensive numbers than us (I forget the order of those three). Now think about this. All three of those teams play in the DH league, and all three play in home parks that boost offense. The Cardinals have no DH and play in a park that suppresses offense.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 30, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Behold the power of the Berk
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wrc+ is adjusted to park and league
so those three teams are still better than the cardinals
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by scoot on Sep 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is interesting...they are on tlr for throwing jackson instead of garcia for game 2
i though jackson was the better option, given jaime’s struggles on the road. am i wrong?
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We're having this debate below
I think throwing Garcia in Game 4 is the right move too.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
It probably depends on whether you think
Jaime Garcia is the exact same pitcher on the road as he is at home because any difference between the two is noise/luck.
I think maybe the more interesting question is who would the Cards throw in a hypothetical game 5 – Lohse or Jaime, if Jaime pitched in Game 2? Or Jackson? I’m guessing TLR would throw Lohse given the way he’s structured this.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if Garcia was worse on the road (and I don't think he is)...
he should still start games 1 and 5 because of the tendencies of the two parks and the fact that Howard can be shut down by a lefty. Plus the alternative is Edwin Jackson – a guy that has a much harder time keeping the ball on the ground. Jackson is clearly going to be better in Busch than in Citizens Bank.
Lohse
If he throws Game 1, he will be the start in Game 5.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
that doesn't make me happy
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Well
I didn’t think that Suppan throwing multiple times in 2006 was good either, and then he turned into Greg Maddux for a month.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
lohse came up big in the last game against philly
i actually had thoughts of jeff suppan while watching that game
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He was statistically the best pitcher on the team
that year after the All-Star break.
Jaime has admitted to not feeling as comfortable on the road
Or at least he has through Duncan’s words. So given that, I’m fine with him starting game 4 at home.
Since Jackson came to the cardinals
He has only 2 games going less than 6 innings (5 and 5.1); In that same period Garica has 5 games of going less than 6 innings. (including his most recent game, when he lasted only 4 innings). I think the desire to stay out of the bullpen against the Phillies, combined with Jamie’s road issues lead to the decisions.
The issue’s on the road are real. They may seem like just BAbip, but if the coaches believe he is actually doing something different after giving up a bloop hit, or an error, then that is something that is real.
Grit != flat out sucking.
i'm inclined to give dave duncan the benefit of the doubt here
and i’m inclined to believe he had some influence in this decision
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The coaches believe a lot of things that aren't true.
Corey Patterson is on the roster for fuck’s sake.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
I know it's pretty likely
but is this for sure yet?
I mean he has no use other than defensive replacement and I’d rather have someone capable of distinguishing balls from strikes and then hitting the strikes.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 30, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
particularly since it seems we're going to carry a bushel of unnecessary
pitchers and have no sticks to pinch hit for them.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And Tony has given him a total of 12 PAs during September
a few of which may not have happened had Holliday not missed a few games.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Because he was fucking awful in the month before that when Tony also inexplicably played him.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
I think the key is Ryan Howard.
VERSUS THE MAFIA!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
VEB is screwing with my head.
Every baseball article I see now with “destiny” in the title, I think it says “density” at first.
Rams, Cardinals, Bulls. Life is good.
We win.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
We're paying him royalties?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
no, plutonium
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it is incidentally interesting that Mitchell Boggs was so fired up about the Braves getting their hearts broken
the way his was broken when he was a kid. like those missed World Series victories back in the day re-emerged.
that, and the 2006 entry.
karma-wise, this might be about the Braves taking over all that KMOX territory then killing the love.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...it's Skip Carey's fault?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
doesn't seem fisted to me.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There should be a tally somewhere
to see which hitter in the playoffs “fists” the most.
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would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
dun dun Duuuuuu!
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ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
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by tom s. on Sep 30, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The annoying thing about this
is that it frees up a manager who could actually handle Cubs/Chicago drama.
Immediately moves to the top of the list
of every club looking for a manager.
Theo’s gotten too big for his britches with this move I think. It’s an ego move, plain and simple.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I think it boils down to
Boston and Tito are just bored with each other
Seems like a good reason to fire a guy who won two World Series
for a franchise that won nothing for 85 years.
This totally has that “what have you done for me lately” stench on it, and Theo should be asking himself the same damn questions. Considering his FA signees the last two seasons were total epic failures. It’s not Francona’s fault that Youkilis and Buchholz were beat up all year and Pedroia missed significant time.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I agree its a dumb reason
but it has happened many times in the past. The grass is always greener, and all that.
Yeah, seems like one of those "we need to to something" moves, or maybe a "we need a scapegoat" move
Anyway, can’t say I’m sad about it.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
There was going to be scapegoating.
Not necessarily the case that Theo made the call, rather than had it handed down to him.
In any case, since managers don’t actually make that much of a difference…
I think managers in those big markets are magnified though
because there are managers who just aren’t going to be able to handle that spotlight very well. I don’t think Ozzie Guillen survives too long with the NYY or Red Sox — he’s too opinionated and brash. You can’t do that in those markets.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Unless you're winning.
In which case you’re a charming head case who keeps the guys loose, instead of an irritating head case who becomes a distraction.
I’m a very firm believer in the adaptability of narratives, and a pretty firm believer that in sports, the causal relationship is always results —> narrative.
For example
When he started out, Francona drew a lot of praise for being a “players’ manager” because he’s laid-back. Supposedly that was what the guys needed after Grady Little. Now this year, he drew flak for not pressing them hard enough down the stretch. Supposedly what they needed was a kick in the pants.
Both of those narratives are equally BS, in my mind. It’s just post hoc magical thinking which, conveniently, generates lots of copy for sportswriters.
Tom Coughlin is the inverse of that ridiculous narrative
His hard-ass style is both the reason they managed to beat the Pats in the Superbowl, and the reason that the team has under-performed in every other year.
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Francona won 90 games. His career mark in Boston is 744-552, a .574 winning percentage
He’s failed to win 90 games only twice in his entire 8 year tenure in Boston.
If that’s not winning, I don’t know what is, especially considering they play in a division that’s been extremely competitive the last 4 seasons and also has the organization with the most wins in the last decade in it.
All the narratives are bullshit. All of them. But to run Francona out of town for winning 90 games with a team that was ridiculously banged up all season (and especially in September) when the front office’s big moves were to bring in Aviles and Erik Bedard? That’s just misplacing the blame for the failures of the team.
If Youkilis and Buchholz were healthy in September and Crawford plays like Carl Crawford, they win 105 games and the division easily. Francona can’t help that those things didn’t happen.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Oh, I'm totally with you on all of that.
Obviously that’s an absurd sports-media environment out there — to the point that “winning” out there does not include winning 90 games and barely missing the playoffs. Basically I’m saying that in any fair and normal world, Francona would not be pushed out (if that’s the way it happened — maybe he just resigned), but Boston isn’t fair and normal.
The narrative demands heads roll, and although I think you’re correct that the bulk of the blame should be on the FO (better on Crawford and Lackey, but you can’t fire them)… baseball’s a business. And in business, the shit always rolls downhill.
Just proof why
“Manager or Coach” is the worst job in sports.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
my question is, if they believe in the Curb Your Enthusiasm curse, why don't they go after larry david
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I can’t even imagine agreeing more
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 30, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well, yeah, firing a field manager takes heat off
The GM for signing john lackey and carl crawford to enormous, expensive contracts, which probably – along with the late season injury bug – had a lot more to do with boston’s collapse than anything francona did.
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by tom s. on Sep 30, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought I read it was a mutual thing
that this recent experience left Francona tired and worn out of the big market team managing BS.
by Cardinals645 on Sep 30, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, I couldn't blame him for feeling that way, but I think it would be wise to wait a couple weeks or a month
I can’t imagine anyone wanting to come back right away after that experience, but I could see a manager feeling less terrible about it a few weeks later and wanting to return after all.
by Cardinals645 on Sep 30, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. The quickness made me assume it was a knee-jerk reaction on the part of the team.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
MLBTR was saying Francona just asked them to decline his options.
No indication whether or not they were going to anyway, though they don’t seem to be fighting him on it.
by Cardinals645 on Sep 30, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
true, but I doubt he'll be without a job for long.
Not that it’ll be better than Boston, but he’ll have a job managing somewhere.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 30, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see that.
He could get a job just about anywhere else. And I really don’t think that he and Theo had a good relationship for whatever reason.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
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The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
i find it hilarious that vexed thinks no one wants his shirt
while that persistent fellow comments to every thread … except the one where vexed is.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's not a good looking shirt and it might be blocking the view
of something I wanted to look at.
I’m ordering the Vexed shirt this morning.
for those too lazy to check the old thread
vexed’s shirt here: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?number=579474726
Still not a werewolf.
$33?
CafePress has really gotten ridiculous with T-shirt prices. Used to be you could get them for $20 or less.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
damn i was going to order this but $33?!?!
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i think the plan is to get Flim to change his mind about makin' t-shirts.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
cause i want vexed's design. i like it best
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this'll go the way of the boog rally, won't it
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Those didn't hold up very well for me.
The screening wore off after about 6 times through the wash….
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
thirty three dollars
are you shitting me
by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
BETTER OPTIONS:
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Vexed is my favorite
Of all the ones I have seen. I like the simple clean look
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 30, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Need on for Series
Is there any way we can just buy the design and have a local shirt company make it. I really want to wear one for the Phillies series.
by dccardsfan1 on Sep 30, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
Should say Need one for the Series
by dccardsfan1 on Sep 30, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure which one you want
but I posted the links for the files in the first comment of my fanpost
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank You
I’m not very good at finding things, probably because I don’t remember where I first saw them, so this helps. Thank You Again.
by dccardsfan1 on Sep 30, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw there's also a rinawear shirt too.
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Which I will blame if we only win one game this postseason.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
by zack3315 on Sep 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My buddy actually has his own print shop.
I am checking with him to see if he could make the vexed design, and I will let you guys know. I don’t know how he would feel about individual orders, so I might look into just collecting money, and then have him make a bunch of them.
"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte
by GasHouseMang on Sep 30, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
bastards are stealing our profit
and giving it to TLR’s kittens
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
thanks
not a big deal obviously. All told, I’d rather ARF make money than cafe press
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm taking your design to a local place today. I'll post the results.
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nice
hope it works out. I’m pretty sure the graphic I posted yesterday should be big enough for a good print.
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
if this is an elaborate scheme to get my first name
I already bought bracken’s.
Still not a werewolf.
It's not. I got an American Apparel shirt printed in 15 minutes for $20.
On my way home I was stopped to do a news interview about my bank. I told him I’d do it if my he could get my shirt in the shot. That’s right, Torty will be on the local news tonight.
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i think he meant what channel.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
KOMU. It'll be streaming on the 5 or 6 news here:
http://www.komu.com/streaming-newscast/
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awesome.
so are you with BofA or are you switching or what?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
yeah, I'll switch.
I think he was disappointed I wasn’t visibly angry….
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what credit union are you looking at?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Local in CoMo. I don't know which (are there more than 1?)
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i personally would very much like to have like an all weather cover
to snap on my backpack that looks like a tortoise shell print and have the “Torty” written on it in big yellow letters
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
bgh is famous!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Here's what I find interesting
Before I showed @Mattsebek, brekenthebox’s design, his shirt looked like this:
After I made mention of it, and Sebek made my tweet a favorite of his, the shirt looks like this:
Here’s brekenthebox’s design again:
….I’m just saying
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
“Proceeds” is pretty loosely defined in a lot of cases like this. Like, is he taking out $5 a shirt for his own personal benefit then donating the “proceeds” after that to ARF?
He could donate any amount of “proceeds” he wanted in reality.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
He also says Animal Resue Foundation
…
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
I would encourage people to buy the original design
and not the kanged one
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He clearly misspelled Animal Reuse Foundation.
What a dumbass.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 30, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Remember, recycle your pets!"
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
this is fun having two conversations on this going at the same time
me: you misspelled Rescue
Matt: you fucking serious??
me: yes
Matt: jesus
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
And he's fixed it.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Also, if that's the official logo on Torty's cap
he could be contacted by MLB’s laid-back and totally easy-going legal department.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
ahaha, sebek fail
at least brekenthebox was smart enough to turn the turtle to the side
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
shameless opportunist
no wonder i never liked that guy
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I mean I don't want to say he's guilty
but with the timing of everything, the fact he favorited the tweet I sent him with the picture attached (the large picture brekenthebox gave us so that we could do what we wanted with it) it just seems a little odd.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
and now the more i look at it
and the large image from brekenthebox – it looks like sebek cut out the turtle and made his own, while leaving the bat and the logo the same.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, its "brackenthebox"
not, “brekenthebox”, FWIW
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That's really lame of Sebek.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A couple things
(1) I redrew the baseball and bat from an existing Cardinals logo, so the similarity there isn’t necessarily an indictment. From looking at it closely, I don’t think it’s copied from mine exactly (look at the rightmost stitch in the top set)
(2) I posted the image files on here for people to do what they wanted with them, so even if he did use it, that’s not a big deal
(3) If he did get the idea from me, it’d be nice if he acknowledged it, but again, it’s hard to get too worked up over it
Thanks for the support all the same; hopefully the shirts turn out well for those who got them. I know I’m excited to get mine whenever cafe press gets around to it.
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mine was shipped today from cafepress
so I’m hoping to get it by Tuesday
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
holy shit we play tomorrow
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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2011: Boog would've count 78
Still nothing.
Ok, I’m done. I’m sure you can all find the ESPN MLB playoff predictions page if you want to.
by dronemc on Sep 30, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
aww, it's the cutest thing you ever saw!
by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he's referring to your repeated failed attempts to link.
it’s like when a little puppy runs around and tries to catch his tail. you know he can’t do it, but he keeps trying. and it’s cute.
not that i’m comparing you to a hapless animal. just in this circumstance. =P
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
So kind of like Chris Duncan trying to catch a fly ball in LF?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
NO!
Like Chris Duncan running around trying to catch his tail. you know he can’t do it, but he keeps trying. and it’s cute.
;-)
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I wouldn't either, but we surely have a good chance.
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There you are.
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Awesome
Not one picked us to beat the Padres or Mets in ’06.
::bunts::
E-1
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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HIT IT TO THE PITCHER
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
still my all-time fav game sign
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 30, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
There were definitely some people who picked us over the Padres
(although they were in the minority), but I think Mets over Cards and Tigers over Cards was pretty much universal.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 30, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
21 of the 22 FG writers picked Philly as well
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
This playoff field is wide open.
I wouldn’t be shocked if any of the 8 won the whole thing. Well…. 7 of the 8. Sorry, Arizona.
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somewhere at the Snakepit, there is a bizarro fink rallying their spirits
and creating spikes in their collective spirit graphs.
Still not a werewolf.
Arizona is the playoff team with which I am least familiar.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
take two eel and call us in the morning
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
think of the interblog shenanigans if we were to meet them in the NLCS
Yes, this is a desirable outcome.
Still not a werewolf.
oh gob please make this happen
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I am a big fan of Ian Kennedy
I was banging the drums for him. Was hoping we would of traded for him
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 30, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I keep forgetting Miguel Montero exists
Let alone noticing his season. Or that they have Little Drew, Aaron Hill, and Kelly Johnson. It’s like they went down the list of available MI that mattybobo coveted at one time and just acquired them all.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Ah. See, this is what I meant by "least familiar"
I’m just going by the Fangraphs team page.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
doesn't Tampa have an aquarium out there?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
arizona is an interesting team because they really don't have a superstar that can carry the offense
justin upton is a great player, but he’s no albert pujols. he’s no ryan braun or prince fielder. and that’s probably only because he hasn’t been doing it as long as they have. the dbacks are like the island of misfit toys, yet they just kept winning all year. its pretty impressive, and i attribute nearly all of it to their manager. i’ve never seen a more obvious choice for manager of the year.
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I saw the Vegas odds on winning the WS on the FESPN crawl at the bar last nite
Phillies were 7-5. Cards were 10-1.
SO YOU’RE SAYING THERE’S A CHANCE
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
long-shot scenarios... during the offseason, La Russa to a Sox
which one would be funnier, White or Red?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It all depends upon your appetite.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Sep 30, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice Billy Joel reference.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Funnier? Red Sox, definitely.
If TLR gets snippy with Strauss, et al, here, imagine how he’d be with the Boston media. Postgame press conferences would become must see tv.
YOU THINK I WON'T PAAARCK MAH CAAAR IN HAAAVARD YAAARD?
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by TBender on Sep 30, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
A.J. is Tony's type of guy though
I fully expect that Varitek would somehow catch 147 games for Boston next year and hit .175 if Tony ends up in Boston.
There’s NO WAY that TLR ends up in Boston if Theo is still there.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
He might be Tony's type of player
but he’s definitely not Tony’s type of guy. He’d drive LaRussa insane.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I can't believe he hasn't fallen apart physically
yet…
AJ’s mouth tends to be toward teammates and opposing players. Some of the crap he talks during spring training is borderline racist. But I don’t think I’ve ever heard of him clashing with Ozzie.
Which is why he's a little more than down that Ozzie is gone
He knows full well that a new manager probably won’t take to him quite like Ozzie did. Well, that or he fears the new manager might actually a catcher who can throw runners out at 2nd base.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
What's there to "take to?"
He plays hard . I mean, my god that play on a ball in the dirt in 2005 is a commercial for “play a hard nine.”
Despite his rep, he does very little that is controversial.
It's beyond that.
He literally annoys the shit out of just about everyone. Opponents…Teammates. It doesn’t matter.
For some reason, Ozzie’s personality somehow mitigated AJ’s. I can’t understand it, but they kind of canceled each other out.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
tony won't go to bahston. he can't have his way there
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Good point
Epstein is a pretty big ego to try to push around .
His first order of business with the Red Sox
would be to piss off and force out Varitek and Wakefield.
see Smith, Ozzie.
What to wear!?!?!?
Its not Chris Carpenter day on Saturday and I damn sure don’t have a Lohse shersey.
I just don’t want to jinx the club by picking the wrong supporting attire.
#onatee
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I will be wearing a batting practice jersey
cuz we are going to rain all day!
/way too much confidence.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Sep 30, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I went with my Brock
throwback on Wednesday, so I might just wear that again on Saturday.
All I have is Jim Edmonds
So that’s what it will be!!
Seriously I want to buy my daughter a torty shirt though…
The Cardinals win the Wild Card!
is there going to be a veb meetup at all?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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i am never setting foot in texas
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
wait.
how would you say this incorrectly? isn’t it something like “shah-den-froy-deh”?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
see yesterday's subthread.
apparently everyone thought the e on the end was silent.
Still not a werewolf.
oh.
i guess that makes american linguistic sense? i took german in high school and college so i may not be the best test case.
freud says froyd—to make that sound you don’t need the other ‘e’.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
More BBQ for us!
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can't help it
it’s in the foreighner’s handbook – chapter 6 “don’t go to texas”
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doesn't she live in IL?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
sure do
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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HA
take that prophetjohn
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
look at the witty riposte!
you still live in texas
i think this conversation is silly.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
but it's in the handbook, so..
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huh.
you really get that impression? that’s interesting to me. i’ve never spent any meaningful time in texas, but i always mentally filed it under the “southwest” section.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Hey, they have the same time zone
Also, soil and buildings.
by sdrone on Sep 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
i had a similar preconception
i have preconceptions about other places. i suspect it’s all the US and not particularly different
i've lived in both for significant lengths of time
there are moderately culturally-diverse cities and then there are closed-minded rednecks in the rural areas.
sounds like i’m describing missouri eh
haha yep.
even california has its rednecks.
as an aside, coming from california, i realised that the word “redneck” sounds really really pejorative to me, almost like it’s a slur.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Bakersfield anyone?
and in California it is a slur, in rural areas it is a bit of a badge of pride
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
yeah.
i was just commenting on the fact i think it has a much more severe and sort-of dark connotation to me because of where i’ve lived most of my life.
i haven’t ever called someone a redneck to their face.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
People in the sticks don't think of redneck
as a synonym for for “violent ignorant racist” so they rarely get offended by that particular slang
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
It's hard to think of more culturally-diverse cities than the major ones in Texas, like Houston
Even the “rural” areas in Texas are quite diverse, especially when you consider that huge swaths of Texas’s rural areas are populated by Latinos – (unless you were also referring to them as close-minded rednecks, which is possible).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Having grown up in an area that was 60%
I can assure you that there is a decent portion that are
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
i wasn't really thinking about it when i typed that
but i’ve known a lot that could be classified as closed minded
if we're just talking about missouri
texas cities win diversity, but if you include all of the midwest, you have to include chicago
I was more talking about the characterization that Texas
has “moderately cutlurally diverse” cities – (although you didn’t list which cities – for all I know you meant El Paso, which isn’t so “diverse,” but is certainly nothing like any city in the Midwest). I just thought it was odd to cast Texas cities that way, given the level of demographic diversity in general.
I agree that Chicago is a very diverse city, like Houston.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i just didn't want to overplay my hand
and say “contrary to popular belief, the midwest is probably more backwards than texas”
Frickin' I-35 bias
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dallas sucks, too
i just have an austin bias
but really, when i’ve spent time in houston it seemed pretty stereotypically cowboy, like you would think of when you think of texas. but i haven’t spent much time in houston
I agree.
Dallas and Houston seem to be the same, even though Dallas folks tend to think they’re light-years better.
On the whole, I prefer pretty much anything between Georgetown and San Antonio.
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to get real specific
prefer anything between slaughter lane and 183
soon enough my life will probably be all north of 183, though
I live in downtown Houston, next to a Vietnamese strip mall
(Houston has the third largest Vietnamese population among US cities)
So I don’t see very many cowboys. Ft. Worth is about the most stereotypcially-cowboy place in Texas.
Austin is probably one of the least demographically diverse major Texas cities (Ft. Worth and Arlington are others) though it has a large hispanic population, of course.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't be serious
Major metropolitan cities have huge populations of more than 1 minority. I’d find it hard to define cultural diversity as “we’ve got a bunch of latinos.”
i think the point
is that it’s got all the typical diversity of any medium sized city, like st louis, but also has a huge latino cultural aspect in addition
closed-minded rednecks in the rural areas/
Who you callin minded?
Say that in a Deliverance type voice.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
It's under the Texas section.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I think that in my experience
my friends from Texas are more like me and have had more similar experiences to mine than my friends from the South and the North. But that we are still a little bit different but closer than the other regions.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
seriously? What is this user name?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You're being corrupted.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Sep 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will be donning my Berkman shersey underneath my unbuttoned Holliday jersey
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
the offense is gonna need all the mojo it can get against Doc
I’ve got a Yadi BP jersey….
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
When do rosters/rotations have to be set?
i would assume ‘gamesmanship’ would be eliminated in playoff scenarios as quickly as possible, so today?
I understand PD reports Lohse and Jackson in 1 & 2, but the mothership does not indicate anything is set yet.
Also, really want to know if an extra MI (Greene) is making the roster over Patterson. With Furcal’s hammy, i’d think this is the better route/safer route as Skip “can” play OF.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Sep 30, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
Sounds like they're waiting til tomorrow to set them
want to see how Holliday and Furcal feel.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
I understand why you'd say so,
but GOD i hope not (not a religious comment!)
With an ailing Furcal, Punto is the SS Starter. his season does not yell ‘steady’. Theriot can’t play/shouldn’t play SS, so Descalso and/or Greene are needed as depth. I’d argue both are needed, much more than a 5th OF whom actually is a 6th OF (after Schumaker).
Plus, he can’t PH, and defensively, he’s adequate.
I hope he gets a ring, just doesn’t contribute to it.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Sep 30, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Without Patterson
who’s your backup centerfielder? I don’t think even TLR will play Skip there anymore.
they're busy singing the
“he wasn’t called up until too late” blues.
refrain:
“the light was red until the end of season
they then called greene up but gave no reason
they benched him, he only ran a bit
we’re begging please let tyler hit”
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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by d-dee on Sep 30, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the ML roster or DL on August 31st.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
I think it's
“on the roster on 8/13” or something like that.
CF
The only way Jay comes out is he’s injured. In that case, Schumaker or Greene even, would be serviceable to finish the game, and then, most likely, Jay would be replaced on the roster by another OF—Patterson, Chambers, or Robinson.
I do not suspect this would happen.
Also, obviously, I’m not TLR
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Sep 30, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
(DL loophole)
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besides furcal and holliday, who else is a DL candidate?
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via clubhouse accident, ie ‘tripping’ over Torty.
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
by Vindicator9000 on Sep 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
"flu-like symptoms"
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
Thought I read somewhere
that teams have to have the rosters set 1 day prior to the series start. Although, that could have been here.
last years rules
The final 25-man playoff roster must be set a day before a club’s first Division Series game, and a team that advances has the right to change its roster for both the League Championship Series and World Series. A rule change, new under the current Collective Bargaining Agreement, allows a team to replace an injured player during the middle of a series, so long as another player at the same position replaces him. Additionally, a player replaced in one post-season series may not be brought back for the following series.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Hmm.
Wonder if that allows leaving Holliday/Furcal off the initial roster, then switching them in whenever they’re ready to play, with an “injury” to the guy switched out.
Wouldn't it be better to put them on and then immediately pull them off if they can't actually go or re-injure themselves?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but they're going to be pulled only if they re-injure themselves
And if they’re not on the roster in the first place, then they can’t play.
Bottom line – if the team thinks they’re capable of playing this series, they should be on the roster. If they’re not healthy enough to play in this series, leave them off. If they get healthy enough to play in the next round (assuming the Cards make it), they can be added then w/o fake injuries being claimed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well, the mothership actually has put them is as probables
so i assume they were given word link
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Why pitch...
a flyballer like Jackson in Philly? Jaime Garcia is perfect for the Philly lineup and their ballpark. La Russa is probably looking at home/away splits…
I think the Game 2 starter should be decided based on the outcome of Game 1
Call me crazy, but if we steal Game 1 against Halladay, I’d rather throw Jackson in Game 2 (against Lee, who I’m sure will shut us out) and save Garcia for Game 4 (since we’re assured a Game 4 at that point) at home where he’s been a much better pitcher the last two seasons. If we lose Game 1 maybe we throw Garcia at that point to make sure we get a start from him in the series and hope to steal a game against the Philly bullpen.
Regardless, we’re going to have to win Game 2 against the bullpen — I give our club no chance of touching up Cliff Lee. We hit lefties horribly and he’s the best lefty in the playoffs (apologies to CC Sabathia).
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Think about it
Going home tied 1-1 and having Carp/Garcia against Oswalt/Hamels/Halladay-on-short-rest? I like that a lot more than Carp/Jackson when Jackson hasn’t started a game in 10 days.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
we're not going home tied
we’re going home 2-0
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
We won the Halladay - Lohse matchup last time, remember.
If we’re going to get two pitchers in this series, it’s going to be Doc and Oswalt. I don’t see us getting to Lee or Hamels just because we struggle with lefties so much as a team.
I still think we have a late innings advantage, but that’s tempered by our ineffectiveness from the left side of the pen and all their left handed hitters.
If we concede that we’re going home down 2-0, we might as well concede the series then. If we’re going to win this series, we have to split the games in Philly and have a chance to win it at home, imo.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Why Carp on 3 days rest?
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Carp pitched on Wednesday...
so his normal day to pitch would be Monday… No sense sending him out on short rest when he’s going to pitch one game anyway.
my thinking:
if E-jax pitches sun, do you really want him pitching game 5?
I’d rather jaime pitch sun-fri, but i’d more rather him pitch at home game 3.
Thus, if carp pitches sun, he could pitch game 5 friday. also, if anyone is going to beat lee, its carp.
The thought of lohse/EJax vs. halladay/lee is not inspiring.
Had they yanked Carp for Jackson in the 6th inning the other night
I’d be inclined to agree with this. Instead, he threw a 100+ pitch shutout. So there’s no way he’s going on short rest.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
You know.. t
the 2011 team has no lefty-righty split… Plus we’ve hit those two pitchers well this year.
Yeah
but that’s mostly because we beat up on J.A. Happ a lot this year, I think, and had the one good game against Lee when he was actually hittable for 2 weeks.
Against average-to-good LHP, like Wandy, Wolf, Bumgarner, we’ve really struggled.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Can anyone
put up Craig’s splits vs Holliday. Since I’m assuming he’ll be playing the majority of the series.
noooo, i meant we're going home 2 up, not 2 down
see, i was trying to be upbeat and positive
although i’m super nervous and pretty terrified (theriot’d)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
That would be great if it happens.
But just going 1-1 in Philly would be a huge boost and hopefully our offense shows up at home.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
If we can go 1-1 in Phillty I think we become favored, or close
Carp is a tough man to bet against right now, and Garcia against the Phillies lineup at home could also be a really tough guy to beat.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
So you're going with the old...
our worst vs. their best move. I don’t think you give away a game in a five game series. Garcia is the best option in Citizens Bank… and didn’t we thrash Lee earlier in the year?
No,
I’m going with Garcia-in-the-park-he-pitches-best-in move, and that’s clearly Busch Stadium.
We did get to Lee — and it was in that window of two weeks where he couldn’t get anybody out. Also, go look at his postseason stats. We might not see the bullpen in that game.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I'm still attributing Jaime's home-road splits to BABIP fluctuation.
Also, I really wish this stuff was as scientific as we all wish it was. On the bright side, I think our collective bases are covered for DEFINITELY blaming Tony for any bad outcomes.
The requirement for blaming TLR is that he is employed by the team.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
And even that isn't a hard requirement.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Garcia's home/away split...
both for his career and 2011 is mostly a babip mirage. Busch is a pretty serious pitchers park. Garcia’s leftiness plus his 55% ground ball rate is perfect for citizens bank. Instead we’re sending out a righty flyballer?
Instead we’re sending out a righty flyballer
Who could also strike out 10+ guys? And has pitched well on the road?
And while Jamie’s road stats may be a BABIP mirage this season, they weren’t last year. The guy just doesn’t pitch as well on the road — I don’t know the reason, but the outcomes of his starts make that pretty clear.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I think TLR/Dunc feel that
Jaime has some mental/makeup issues with pitching on the road vs. home (obsessive/compulsive and all that). They may also feel like he doesn’t pitch his best on the road in “pressure” situations (like last week’s game in Hosuton). I don’t know whether there’s anything to that stuff and whether it affects Jaime’s pitching performance, but I do think the club thinks there’s something to it.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
they’re wrong. He’s the same pitcher home and road. The difference is where the ball happens to land.
Well, I guess that settles that.
You really should be a sports psychologist.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Do you trust LaDunc's perception...
or an actual tally of what has occurred on the field? Because what has occurred on the field is that Garcia has a higher K rate on the road, a lower BB rate on the road, and a babip that is 104 points higher on the road.
His LD% on the road is higher
and his GB% drops by 5 points. That says to me that he’s more hittable on the road than at home, which might be why his BABIP is higher. BABIP alone doesn’t really tell you much, and you’re basing an awful lot of your argument on that number representing luck.
Last year, he walked a lot more people on the road. He hasn’t done that this year, but he’s allowing more hits, more line drives, and getting fewer ground balls, which tells me that he still has a control problem.
Further, of his last 5 starts on the road, he’s only gotten to the 7th inning once (against a depleted Philly team) and he’s given up 2 or more earned runs in 6 innings or less in all but that start.
I’d say that if DD thinks that his makeup is better pitching at home, then you pitch him at home. I trust Duncan when it comes to pitchers, especially in the postseason.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Busch stadium is a top 5 pitchers park...
The away stadiums he most frequently pitches in – Minute Maid, GABP, Miller – are top 10 htters parks.
Right, better to pitch him at home since it's a pitchers park
CBP isn’t a pitchers park.
This seems to support my argument.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Yeah except...
we actually have to field a pitcher for games one and two, and the options available are two righties who put the ball in the air a lot mor often than Garcia. Which is precisely what we don’t want against the Phillies in their bandbox stadium.
So we should throw Jake Westbrook?
He gets a lot of ground balls too.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
The dude's FIP and xFIP are the same on the road
Not to mention we aren’t even talking enough starts for it to matter sample wise. This shit happens all the time and it’s random. This is saber101.
If the Cardinals score 3-5 runs when Garcia is pitching, he seems to suck just as badly as when he’s on the road. Should the Cardinals aim to not score 3-5 runs so as to not spook Garcia?
Not afraid to nitpick
For example
Chris Carpenter 2006:
Home: .214 .257 .295
Away: .260 .307 .448
Clearly Chris Carpenter can’t pitch on the road.
Not afraid to nitpick
Forget it
Like usual, you cherry pick stats all day long.
I’m not going to try and reason with someone who’s being unreasonable.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
If you took away his 3.1 Inning 11 ER game in Coors
those numbers look a lot closer together
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Well this was cherry picking
Although it was more of a cherry picking just to find an example of “this shit happens all the time and it’s random” because Carpenter was the first pitcher I looked up and it took 4 seasons for the same split to appear in someone that we know isn’t a RoadChoker® like Garcia.
Not afraid to nitpick
And while...
we bury Garcia because of his “intensity” and home/road splits that don’t actually exist, Joe Maddon has kicked Wade Davis and Jeff Niemann to the curb in favor of Matt Moore.
Fire La Russa!
Um, they DO exist
You just think they are irrelevant. I happen to think that he doesn’t pitch as well on the road, and the results actually demonstrate this. You just want to attribute it all to luck. That’s fine, but that’s nowhere near definitive, and his struggles have been going on for two years now.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Every tool that has been developed over the last 10 years
Says that the “results” of the splits do not actually matter because the process (that eventually generates results for basically every other pitcher in every other situation) has been effectively identical. Again, it’s saber101. But you have a feel that the process is different (which couldn’t possibly be influenced by poor results!), so can’t argue with that.
Not afraid to nitpick
And just to add, LaDunc's perception is worthless...
why? Because they’re human.
It is impossible to watch a guy for six months and effectively analyze his performance when he has a 104 home/away babip split. Of course he’s more intense, less loose, tighter etc… when all those balls aren’t being caught and all those runners are crossing the plate. Of course he’s “more comfortable” pitching at home. Turning batted balls into outs is comforting to everyone!
I was with you up until here
Duncan has for years been ahead of the curve when it comes to charting results, and going to his trusty binders for facts. It is a prime reason why his fielders are so often in the right spot when a grounder is hit; he has the data to tell him how to shift them.
I know it is “SABR 101” to dismiss the subjective opinion of anyone, even managers, but I think in this case that Duncan’s opinions are based on a lot more than anecdotal observations.
The Cardinals win the Wild Card!
It is a prime reason why his fielders are so often in the right spot when a grounder is hit;
Pure speculation. No one’s actually looked into which teams are/aren’t good at positioning.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
the most recent SI
where Theo Epstein and the Red Sox are praised as being the best at sabermetrics, the article talks about in house defensive metrics that are more reliable than those that are publicly available.
Don’t judge me for receiving SI. We bought a six month subscription a year and half ago as a fundraiser and they are still sending me “last issues”.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
Possibly
But the point stands. Duncan isn’t the prototypical foil set up by SABR-inclined bloggers who just makes whimsical wishy-washy decisions based upon anecdotes (the way LaRussa seems to). He relies on hard data.
The Cardinals win the Wild Card!
I don't know what he's basing his decision...
on. I was just talking about the idea that Garcia is better at home, and doesn’t have the make-up for pitching well on the road, which has been put forth in the media.
la russa likes his data too
“x is 3-for-5 against y, so he should start in place of z”
i’d be surprised if duncan didn’t reason very similarly given TLR’s liking of duncan
The Rays are widely considered
excellent at it, and apparently take enough pride to issue t-shirts to the players that say “we catch line-drives” Not saying it is conclusive but UZR certainly loves them, and I have never heard of another org that says anything about their defensive pride.
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So I suppose Jamie's perception of being more comfortable at home is just bullshit then?
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Yes...
the self-assessment Jaime performs on himself is even mor worthless than LaDunc’s. He’ actually the very last person I would consult about Jaime Garcia.
It's as good thing you don't coach
or manage people. Putting people in a position to succeed is quite important in those lines of work.
You seem to think that you should just do whatever the statistics dictate, even when those statistics have absolutely NO predictive quality for a one game expectation.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Wait wait wait
The statistics DO have predictive qualities for one game. It’s just that the noise level is higher when you then evaluate the results of one game. Predictive statistics are predictive for 1 AB, 10 AB, 100 ABs and so on.
That’s the entire point of predictive statistics.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
How much noise are we talking about?
I would guess that someone’s last three starts on the road are about as predictive as the predictive statistics with this level of noise. Which would then dictate that he starts at home.
I mean, we can argue this a million different ways, Az, but ignoring the fact that Garcia is more comfortable pitching at home and Duncan is more comfortable with him pitching at home seems to be a trump card, imo, for this particular situation.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
by fourstick on Sep 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Noise in a single game? Tons.
But I don’t think I articulated it well.
Three starts would have a huge level of noise.
What I’m saying is that if you look at his last two seasons of data and compare his overall peripherals against Lohse or EJax or whomever you want Garcia to start over, you should be more swayed by their body of work than by a home/road split. It seems to me that Garcia’s home/road split is not nearly as egregious as it is being portrayed but regardless, a weighted seasonal FIP would still be more important than whether he feels comfortable.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
That's the problem, though
By total body of work, Jackson is actually just as good a pitcher over the last two seasons. Especially when you consider that most of his home starts happened in hitter friendly ballparks compared to Jamie’s starts happened in Busch III.
So we’re left with a marginal decision either way. I think his comfort level pitching at home trumps his “lucky” BABIP, especially since we don’t know how “lucky” that BABIP actually is.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
And it is equal
in terms of predictive value. Which is the point you seem to be glossing over this entire time.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I would really like to see you make this argument to him then.
That would be fun to watch.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i wouldn't completely discount
the perceptions of those around him regarding his makeup, just his onfield performance
When a computer starts pitching the actual games, then this becomes a valid point
However, Jamie Garcia pitches the games, and if Jamie Garcia believes that he’s more comfortable pitching it home, THEN IT’S BEYOND STUPID TO FORCE HIM TO PITCH ON THE ROAD when you can make other choices that aren’t all that much different when looking at the pitchers as a whole.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
This isn't that.
This is simply an argument that the “human element” does matter, specifically in small sample sizes like one game.
Garcia and Jackson, when adjusting for league and home park, are nearly identical pitchers the last two years. So why force Jamie to pitch on the road when you have a equally as good pitcher to throw and allow him to pitch at home?
You can’t throw the human element out just because it’s flawed — the statistical data that’s being used as proof is flawed as well.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
if he has actually said
“i am uncomfortable pitching on the road” i would accept this logic, because i am of the mindset of all things being essentially equal. but i don’t remember him saying that. and either way, his peripherals indicate that him thinking it’s all in his head is, well, all in his head
He has said it
for one, and for two, “in his head” is a very real phenomenon that effects performance.
Like it or not, that’s true and has been proven by behavioral science.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
"in his head" is a very real phenomenon that effects performance.
cool story. but the stats indicate it didn’t affect jaime garcia’s performance
Like it or not, that’s true and has been proven by behavioral science.
i’m not doubting you
not really?
your argument is that mental stuff can affect performance. i agree, but point out that there is no indication that it has affected garcia’s performance
Normalizing for things we assume are lucky
yields this result. That’s a big assumption, imo.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
correction:
normalizing for things which past analysis has indicated repeatedly are unequivocally the result of luck
You don't know for sure that his BABIP
is luck driven at this point. That’s the problem.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Either he or Dunc said it.
They were discussing how he gets rattled by things like his cab being late or his room service not showing up.
i remember reading that
i don’t remember a quote from jaime or dunc indicating that jaime is uncomfortable pitching on the road, just that his routine is more likely to get interrupted
Here is Dunc's quote
From the article:
Duncan told the radio show this morning, presumably pulling a tiny, outrageous analogy to better explain the issue. “If he goes down to get a cab and he waits 15 minutes, he gets all upset. And it takes him out of his mental routine, and he thinks about it and it bothers him for the whole day. He lets things that aren’t important bother him. He talks about routine — he’s real routine-oriented. He says, ‘At home everything goes smoother at home. I get on the road and everything goes wrong.’ He lets those things distract him from his pitching. So what we’re working on, like I said, is find the two or three things that are really important to you in order for you to be a effective pitcher and concentrate on those things and don’t let anything else bother you. Don’t let something take you away from thinking about the things that you need to do to be a good pitcher.”
If I was Joe Maddon
I’d do the exact same thing. None of those guys has started a playoff game and Moore is the best of those three guys. Wouldn’t you throw Matt Moore too?
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
wait until Matt Moore implodess after in the second inning
Just because a manager starts a young player, doesn’t mean they are correct in doing so.
Grit != flat out sucking.
The outcome of one game...
doesn’t shed any light on whether it’s the right decision or not. Matt Moore is better at pitching than Davis or Niemann. Jaime Garcia is better at pitching than Kyle Lohse or Edwin Jackson. Joe Maddon is a better manager than Tony La Russa.
he may be better
Rick Ankiel, Anthony Reyes, and a lot of other young arms coming up from AAA, were “better” than many pitchers are still pitching in the Majors today.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Really?
Nothing in the world of sabermetrics is going to be good enough to predict the outcome of one start, so this entire post is a crock of shit.
If we were determining whether he was going to do well on the road over the course of the 2012 season, your arguments have some merit. For a one game situation though, I think you go on feel for the players, and that’s something I trust Dave Duncan to do better than us statheads sitting at home.
Sorry, dude, but this isn’t an definitive decision either way, like you make it sound.
What’s more: I guess we should just pencil in 3 fucking runs against Cliff Lee then? Sure, lets do that. This is the playoffs, so every run is magnified. If we’re so concerned about him being able to win a game when we score 3 runs, why not put him in a situation where we’re more likely to score 3 runs?
Your whole argument is ridiculous for the purposes of this discussion.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
It's not definitive
That’s the point. It just doesn’t matter. That Garcia has struggled on the road is 100% irrelevant. It adds nothing to the conversation.
Not afraid to nitpick
Your opinion
I think you’re full of crap. So does the coaching staff apparently.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
hey guys!
we’re in the playoffs! isn’t that exciting and happy!
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not at all, actually.
but i really don’t like disagreement.
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everyone quick, hug it out
sing something happy
adopt a homeless dog
kiss an ugly chick
be merry (or is it now politically correct to say happy?)
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2011: Boog would've count 78
I have a feeling that in 20 years the word
Merry is going to mean something completely different
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Me too.
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Because this coaching staff has proven that they are oh so great at roster usage
Not afraid to nitpick
Ah, the prove a negative
Have fun, i’m not biting on this one.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Just saying
You probably could have stopped at “I think you’re full of crap”. The 2nd sentence probably hurts the credibility.
Not afraid to nitpick
No, it's not
It’s certainly a silly thing to use to make a decision on ONE START, especially when said pitcher has voiced his opinion that he’s more comfortable at home.
Now, if your point was that he could then possibly start Game 5 in Philly and get two starts in the series, you might have a valid argument.
Your proof of BABIP “luck” is just a silly thing to use as your only point of contention when talking about one start — what if he’s “unlucky” with a 25% line drive rate on Sunday? I guess we’re just fucked, but at least it wouldn’t be Jamie’s fault — I mean, he was UNLUCKY!
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
That last line is all pretty much true.
If he’s unlucky with a 25% line drive rate we could be fucked and it wouldn’t be his fault.
A basic tenet of advanced analysis is that the results are not necessarily indicative of good/bad pitching.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Correct
So why are we trying to use BABIP on the road to determine that his outcomes are mostly “unlucky” and then decide that he should just start Game 2 because of that?
It does nothing to predict his performance, but the outcomes certainly effect his confidence, and in a one game scenario where I have a choice between pitchers, I’m going with the one more comfortable pitching on the road. I assume that’s the decision being made here.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Because if his road outcomes are simply unlucky
and the predictive measures indicate that he’s the best pitcher we have, we shouldn’t worry about what the results have looked like. If you want to argue and “all things being equal, I’ll take the more confident guy” but I think, the argument others are trying to make is that all things aren’t equal and Garcia is a better pitcher (acknowledging that the splits are indicative of anything other than noise).
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
can my argument be
“all things are equal enough that i think people vehemently on either side of ‘who pitches in what order’ are silly”?
Not anymore
You’ve posted in this subthread.
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but i'm of the mindset
that all things are essentially equal. so it wouldn’t really matter who pitched twice
I get this point of view
but if that’s their point of view, then why bring up BABIP luck? I certainly didn’t bring this up.
While basing decisions just on results is a poor way to analyze a situation, throwing results out completely is also a poor way to analyze.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
The BABIP argument is intended to explain his discomfort.
Since he’s had unlucky results, it’s created a negatively connotative experience despite the “pitching process” being the same. In other words, it’s all mental and, even if it is all mental, it’s still not substantively affecting his performance.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
"I assume that’s the decision being made here"
It might not be.
Since coming over to St. Louis Jackson is averaging 6.2 innings per start. (over 12 starts). Over his last 12 starts, Garcia is averaging 5.2 IP per start. That’s an inning more of bullpen relief.
So why his issues on the road may be a factor, it might not be the only reason he isn’t getting game 2
Grit != flat out sucking.
I think this could be very true
Here’s the rub for me — the Pro Garcia camp seems wholly enthralled with BABIP luck. The Pro Jackson camp seems much more concerned about who the better option is for the club.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i'm in the "it doesn't matter" camp
and i’m wholly enthralled with not drawing conclusions from home/road splits. especially when it’s pretty clear any differences are the result of luck
you're not allowed to not have an opinion
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
yes and no
and i’m wholly enthralled with not drawing conclusions from home/road splits. especially when it’s pretty clear any differences are the result of luck
It may be a result of luck, but if a pitcher believes he isn’t as good on the road, he may start to do things like over throwing and letting his shoulder fly open.
Right or wrong, the perception with jamie is that he does those things a bit more on the road whenever things start to go wrong with the game. (error, bloop)
Grit != flat out sucking.
regardless of his perception
he has pitched essentially as well on the road as at home. if all things are equal, i’d let him feel more comfortable, otherwise, he needs to realize what he needs to do for his team
I'd have to check the actual numbers
but let’s not fall into the trap of assuming that’s an explanation and not an effect.
Yes, BABIP takes a long time to stabilize. But something as big as a .100 spread can become statistically meaningful at a smaller sample size than a more ordinary (i.e. smaller) spread would be.
I’ve never actually run any BABIP numbers myself, so I have no reference for how big the samples need to be, but does anyone know how many games you need before a split that big starts to become suggestive of something?
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
yeah, it is a really small sample actually
hadn’t even thought it through to realize just how small
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
stabilizes
really surprising BABIPs would start to become suggestive before that. (i.e. you could say that a guy with a crazy low BABIP after, say, 800 PA was probably doing something to put him below league average).
Jaime’s probably faced something like 400 batters each on the road and at home this year, which is probably too few to say much even from a split as large as his.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
which is right around the time...
when phyiscal skills start deteriorating.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Average age of a rookie is 26 isn't it?
I guess it’s about 2 years before skills start deteriorating. What is the average length of a Major league career?
Grit != flat out sucking.
Well
He was terrible on the road last year and his BABIP was .303. This year he’s giving up more line drives on the road than at home. So that might explain some of it, but not all of it.
I’m sure some of it is luck. Some of it is probably performance related as well.
FWIW — it really doesn’t matter when determining whether he should start game 2. He’s more comfortable pitching at home and if we win Game 1 he could very well be in a position to close the series at home.
I’m not against pitching him in Game 2 if we lose Game 1. But I don’t think it’s the best scenario for the club.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
where did he say he was more comfortable at home?
genuine question
as for his batter ball profile, i can’t imagine that it’s meaningful. all his other peripherals are actually slightly better on the road. better K/9, better BB/9, worse HR/9, but significantly higher HR/FB rate
it looks like luck to me and i don’t have a rooting interest for when garcia pitches
There was a P-D article on it at one point
something to do with his routine being disrupted on the road.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
splits won't be that big
it’s practically impossible for a pitcher to sustain a BABIP outside the .270-.320 range and be good enough to be an MLB pitcher
to your question, i think the convention says that BABIP stabilizes around 1500 PAs
when it comes to starting pitching
I’m going to have to side with Dave Duncan here.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Not directed at anyone in particular just trying to lighten the mood!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
How cute are those boots!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
When did this become a cheerleading outfit?
The whole point of this place is to debate baseball strategy… or at least that has been the point for the past six years.
I'm fine if they debate strategy.
But when people start saying things like you’re an idiot (which has not happened in this particular conversation…yet) or I think you’re full of crap (no offense to yu personally fourstick because you have certanily been on the receiving end of this kind of thing before as well) it starts to get uncomfortable for me and I worry that is going to get out of hand and people won’t want to post their opinions for fear of being called an idiot.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i concur
there is a difference between a good-natured debate which is enjoyable for everyone and means that people who don’t understand this stuff quite so well get to learn something. And a bitchy pissing contest which is uncomfortable for everyone involved. Also, i always thought the point of this place was to chat shit and annoy fang, but w/ever.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
your an idiot.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Sep 30, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if i ever meet you sir
i will poo in my hand and throw it at you.
i bid you adieu
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
you're
idiot
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 30, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(i thought that was the joke)
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
stop corrupting me
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Update
LoMoGoHoRo
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Sep 30, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i agree with this point.
i think this site is dedicated to analysis, and that’s good. too often recently, however, these types of arguments have devolved into pettiness.
if we could have a conversation like this:
person a jaime should pitch game two, not edwin, and these are the statistics to back it up
person b i think edwin should, the strategy employed by the cardinals makes sense and this is why
person a ah, i believe that analysis is in error and here is why
person b that is a good point; however, here are some flaws i see in your argument
i would love it.
but too often it ends up like this:
person a your argument is a steaming pile; i will not continue to respond
person b well, your face is a steaming pile!
person a how dare you!
this is simplified of course for comedic purposes. i wish we could remain relatively highbrow in our treatment of differing opinions.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I'll make you a deall...
you ignore my debate with fourstick that is entirely evidence based and hasn’t involved any name calling whatsoever, and I’ll ignore your discussion of your favorite word, which I don’t happen to care about.
Why can’t these things coexist?
because we have a giant upsurge in new and returning commenters.
this is a community. one of these things is innocuous. one of these things drives baseball fans away from VEB.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're right,
we shouldn’t debate baseball on this blog. We should just post gifs and memes because gifs and memes never offend anyone.
/sarcasm
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
by fourstick on Sep 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
strawman.jpg
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Sep 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or we could just misinterprate what Y2S was saying!
as he was probably referencing il Rosso.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Not misenterpreting
He’s saying that tempers flaring during a debate drives people away from VEB. Well, tempers will flare during debates — it’s been happening since the beginning of time.
People come here for analysis for the most part, not links to a picture of a turtle with a logo on it.
While this is a community, it’s silly to get your panties in twist over a thread that anyone here could ignore if they wanted to.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
No, you really can't
These things are going to happen. They happen a lot less here than on most other boards, but you can’t eliminate them completely, and if you do, the debates probably aren’t going to be as good or as informative because people simply won’t debate with other people.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I'm just saying
that new users can feel very intimated when reading the comments and seeing the high-tension discussions that happen around here. Obviously, people have different stances on this situation, but as a community, I’d love seeing input by new users as much as possible, and this is being suppressed by harsh language and hot tempers. Just my opinion.
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This argument doesn't hold water unless the only community to belong to is VEB
We’re a lot better about being inclusive here than other places on the web, especially with new people who might not have been properly introduced to statistics based analysis. It’s rare that someone posts something related to bad analysis and doesn’t receive some sort of explanation as to why those things don’t really work.
I’m sorry, but there is a decided lack of tone to a lot of comments above. I posted that I think joker is full of crap, because i actually believe that! He would say the same things about me, I’m sure, but the overall conversation was pretty civil compared to the flame wars I see on other SBN blogs.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I beg to differ on this
We’re a lot better about being inclusive here than other places on the web
Maybe we’re pretty inclusive for an SBN blog, but that’s not really saying much. I find that it’s much more difficult for a new member to feel like a part of the community quickly here at VEB than many other Internet communities. Quickly, I have several reasons:
- people taking debating to whole new level
- unusual rules and tendencies
- memes that sprout up literally overnight
As you can see, I’m not singling out the debating as the sole reason why new users feel intimated, but I believe this is mainly because of how tightly-knitted the community is here. Nearly every poster is a regular and thanks to twitter and meetups, this feels less like a true Internet forum and more like a retirement home where everyone sees everyone else every day. Sorry if this was difficult to read; I have 1 minute to catch a bus home and I have to go, like, right now. Please don’t be offended if I don’t respond if you reply.
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I was not referring to your debate if that makes you feel better.
I was referring to the debate that said, “I think you’re full of crap.”
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
At some point, that's all you can say, as he is entitled to his opinion.
I made my case and I stand by it. Saying this means, basically, that I think you’ve not considered all the options and you’re now trying to belittle me by claiming that I don’t understand “Saber 101”, which any reader here knows is bullshit.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Where am I doing that?
And please, let’s not pretend that implying that a certain poster doesn’t know what he’s talking about isn’t an ad hominem attack.
All I’m saying is my point of view is valid and worth considering — something Joker doesn’t think is true because I don’t understand “Saber 101”, whatever the hell that refers to.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
fourstick
Joker made remarks that were (most likely) condescending. But you talk about them as if you’ve not made similarly dismissive remarks in the same thread.
That is acting like you have the moral high ground.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Tempers are wearing thin, let's hope some robot doesn't kill everybody
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 30, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry, I was simply explaining the above thread
That was in no way and attempt to do what you are entailing.
FWIW — this is your bias creeping in, imo.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
That's fine. I just wish it was said more like that.
I just didn’t want anyone to take it further because I don’t want anyone to be driven away. I usually enjoy your comments until something goes wrong for someone in the argument somewhere and then people start getting angry and cursing at each other. That particular comment was not the worst I have seen, comments directed at you included, but I thought it had the potential to blow up so I was trying to lighten the mood.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Sorry
It’s just that certain people seem to have no respect for another’s point of view. Nowhere did I call anyone I disagree with stupid, but it was implied that I was. Those are the type of things that piss me off.
If your defense is that the other person isn’t smart enough to understand your defense, then that’s a problem with your argument, imo.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I didn't think you called anyone stupid FWIW.
I agree with your opinion about people’s defense and stuff. That probably doesn’t make sense but I hope you understand what I said.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I totally get what you said
There’s a way to handle someone’s differing opinion, and that wasn’t it.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i'm enjoying reading the debate.
i just think it got a little needlessly uncivil. this was, for your information, before you entered the conversation.
anyhow. you can ignore me if you like. i’m gonna keep reading your comments. they’re insightful.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Look...
the non-baseball banter is perfectly fine. It just seems like there’s a fairly tight correlation between actuall baseball discussion and discussion that makes people feel uncomfortable.
For years this place was nothing but baseball. I suppose I’m used to that version of VEB, but things change and that’s fine.
i apologise if you viewed
my comment as trying to undermine the baseball discussion. i love it. i don’t feel well-versed enough to argue this particular decision one way or another.
while i haven’t commented or participated in the community as long as many people here (or as frequently) i remember the just baseball veb. i loved it. it’s why i’m here right now.
as a community grows close-knit, i think people open up about more things in their lives (my word conversation was just for shits and giggles though). so the non-baseball discussion was bound to rise. that’s fine with me as long as we still get cool level-headed analysis from the admins and the commenters.
my problem isn’t this discussion’s contents but rather its tone. which i guess might mean i’m too sensitive to what i perceive as other people bickering and too haughty for thinking i know when two people feel that they are fighting.
apparently i misinterpreted the tone of the conversation. for that i’m sorry. all three of you have my thanks for hashing this out. in the future, however, i’d still like it to sound nicer. maybe that’s something i need to get over. i dunno.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Sep 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's because you are such a Redneck
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Hey! our second best pitcher had TJ
we have a perfectly valid excuse!!!
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
wait.
who’s your team?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I was a Cards fan until I was 13
when the Rockies came to town so I still root for the cards in all non Rockies Games
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
wait
so are you actually saying that waino is the second best pitcher or are you actually not saying that
Tomcat is a girls name?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
i dunnt
i thought i saw a comprehensive female VEB list once with your name on it. not everyone is the gender you would expect them to be
no offense
If we had met I would be concerned
I am never offended on the webs. Hazel and Holly surprised me.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Even knowing that the Cards made the playoffs
after losing their Ace to TJ, I was trying to use Jorge De la Rosa’s TJ as an excuse for the Rockies missing. Although Rockies did have some rotten luck the team had pretty much every “could go either way” go south.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Tell that to Adam.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you saying RR and BP in consecutive posts makes you look like a Reds fan BTW
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Your avatar disapproves.
I mean, just look at him.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Probably a little sensitive...
Fourstick has been telling people they’re full of shit on VEB since the days of Weaver and Maroth.
yeah.
sigh
anyway, no hard feelings. thanks for hearing me out. sorry for assuming things.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Yeah no worries...
all this emotionalism around her over the past three weeks has put me in a bad mood.
When people disagree there can be knashing of teeth
I’m sure we could provide some much better examples of out-of-hand conversations than the one above, which was pretty civil.
And, FWIW, you do a fair bit of this too — it’s not just me!
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Oh, please
“They” are mad at the whole conversation, not just me. I’ll take my share of the blame. If you can’t, that’s on you.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Let's be real...
I’m mad at the world because I was just told I may have to switch banks and that my current plan of marrying a person to handle my finances is not very smart.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
She's dead.
She’s also Elizabeth Taylor.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Sep 30, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i also concur with this
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
especially that last part
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Um, no, that's not how it usually goes
Usually there is a lot of point and counterpoint commenting — but one side inevitably then decides that the other person’s point is not worth considering, that they are right come hell or high water, and then it descends into ad hominem attacks.
I happen to think that assuming BABIP splits while considering no batted ball data (which neither joker nor guay did) is bad analysis, and I’ve pointed that out numerous times.
I really don’t give a shit whether they agree with me (joker never agrees with me, I’ve made my peace with it), but I really hate bad analysis and claiming predictive bias when there isn’t any. Which is what is going on here.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
I'll just throw this out there
Because I haven’t seen it mentioned, but I’m ok pushing Garcia back to 4 just because I think he’s a little tired and has logged a personal high in innings. I tend to think the home/road is a little overblown, but giving Garcia some extra time might be good for him at this stage.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically xFIP considers batted ball
And in 14 starts, batted ball differences as small as you cited means squat.
Not afraid to nitpick
Dude
I didn’t cite batted ball differences. Never, not once. I merely responded to others using this as a defense for their Garcia in Game 2 argument, which includes you. You can use BABIP to tell me I’m full of shit, but batted ball (which directly impacts BABIP) is bullshit?
Have cake, eat it too I guess?
Sheesh.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Keith Law made the point somewhere today
that if there are legit questions about his makeup, the worst possible place to put him is in a potential elimination game. So that would point to Game 2.
Well, that just assumes that
the bigger “makeup” issue for Jaime (assuming one exists) is “pressure” — and that being an elimination game is more “marginal pressure” than another playoff game, which seems specious to me -than the issue of “home vs. road.”
This all sounds like speculative crap to me.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you imagine a manager...
starting a guy in game 2 because games 1, 3, 4, and 5 are all “high pressure”? This madness must end.
Agreed
I just think he’s more comfortable pitching at home and that his best starts seem to come at home. Therefore, I’d rather throw him in Game 4, but leave the option open for a Game 2 start if we lose Game 1.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i agree with this approach
if we lose game 1, throw garcia. if we win, throw jax and save garcia for a potential win at home
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
Only if all other factors are equal
However, if it’s a swing game (such as a game when the series is tied 0-0), and it is on the road in a hostile environment in a hitters’ park against the best pitcher in the NL, perhaps those are factors that swing it back the other way.
The Cardinals win the Wild Card!
does he still throw 120 pitches per game?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I see Bernie has written a column on this...
yeah, dumb move. Should be Garcia-Lohse-Carp-Jackson-Garcia.
i think he might be gunshy
or Ank-shy.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ding ding ding
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
Dear dan
Collapseable threads please.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Sep 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that would certainly make things look nicer
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like rec'ing the entire thing for the sheer magnitude of it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 30, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a fun weekend project.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
this
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 30, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Lohse lines vs PHI this year
June 22nd – 8 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 2 HR’S,
Sept 19th – 7.1 IP, 7 H. 0 ER, 1 BB, 5 K’S
Those are pretty good lines. I will take either of them on Saturday
I'll have what he's having!
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Post season tickets...
IF we make it past Philly and into the NLCS and who knows maybe even the WS you have to register to have a chance to even get those tickets. Sign ups start today and end on the 4th of Oct.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 30, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
if you win that raffle, you can only buy so many tickets
veb, please make sure to consult with the rest of us if you don’t need to buy all your tickets and can let someone use the rest
e.g. i’ll only need one or two and can buy the other two for SecondHalfMatt and his gf
help each other out. socialism
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
That said
You can buy 4 for the NLCS and 2 for the WS
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 30, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
well then obviously you'll take me to the ws
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
There are a few hurdles to me doing that
1. The Cardinals have to make it there first
2. I have to get randomly selected to buy WS tickets
3. Probably the biggest hurdle is my gf saying she doesn’t want to go to the ws
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 30, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i'll send her to a spa
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Is anyone else concerned by our lack of shutdown LOOGY?
When we’re playing a team that has Rollins, Utley, Howard, and Ibanez? Not having the ability to get lefties out in late game situations could well decide this series for us, as I expect every game to be close if we are going to win the series. I can’t see us posting 6 and 7 runs on their pitching staff, which means our starters have to pitch well, and our bullpen has to get a their left handed hitters out late.
We have plenty of good options for getting RHH out: Dotel, Boggs, Motte, Sanchez (should he make the roster). But those guys are not good against lefties, so that leaves two RHP who have decent splits (K-Mac, Salas), Scrabble, and Arthur Rhodes (AHHHHH!!!) to handle their LHH. Pence will probably continue to hit third for them, which means Rollins and Utley at the top and Howard and Ibanez in the 4 and 5 spots. That’s more that one pitcher’s worth of lefties.
This entire series could hinge on how well Rzep and Rhodes pitch to those hitters in the middle to late innings.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Maybe.
Utley’s career splits are not that pronounced though, IIRC. And while it’s nice to turn Rollins around, I’m not actually that scared of Jimmy Rollins. Victorino scarier and also switch-hits, but shows a reverse split (stronger against L).
Anyway, I think Howard and Ibanez are the ones you definitely want to see attacked with a LHRP, and I’m fine with Rzpzyczpyrrzzkkkczivski doing that every night. I think.
All of Rollins' power comes from the left side.
He has only 7 XBH in 167 PA’s against lefties this season. So we should be turning him around every chance we get in the late innings, especially if Utley is batting behind him. While Utley’s career splits haven’t been pronounced, his 2011 splits against lefties have been AWFUL (.187/.298/.308 in 124 PA’s, SSS). These guys should see nothing but lefties in the late innings. Ibanez is also terrible against LHP, both in his career and this season.
Victorino just hits everybody. As does Polanco.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
That wasn't my intent, lol
I just see Rhodes getting a ton of opportunities to fuck us over in this series because TLR trusts his “veteranness” (yes, I just coined that term).
That really, really worries me. As does Rzep’s habit of walking two guys when he comes in the game.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i don't know that he trusts Rhodes
as much as he trusts the LOOGY concept in general.
But either way, that means Rhodes will be making important appearances, even though he’s not shown any reason to get them.
neither has patterson
and i have this sick feeling he’ll be on the roster
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
rhodes should not see the pitchers mound in this series
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I bet he is in more games than any other reliever, except maybe Dotel.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i agree. he should not pitch but he will.
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Rhodes didn't make playoff roster and he shouldn't make TLR's
zero chance of that happening though
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 30, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
do we have someone on here that know about electrical systems?
i need some help with something
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
go ahead and post your question
though I’m certainly no electrician. could easily be over my head.
What do you need to know?
I have resources and some knowledge…
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
my insurance is denying my claim on the grounds of
(according to legal department) “low voltage is not a power surge”
they are unaware that companies make surge protection for both low and high voltage
i am saying they are arguing semantics, they insist on what they said before but they disregard the fact that if you have a dip in voltage, you’ll have a spike in amperage
i want to know how to argue this thing so they can stfu and pay up
i’ll look for the original policy document and if it says high voltage only, i’ll drop it, but i won’t be satisfied with “low voltage is not a power surge”
any smart ideas? or ideas at all?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
this sounds more like a law talking person problem than an electrical problem.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
too bad we have an abundance of electricians
and so few lawyers on VEB
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I assume it's not worth lawyering up?
Some insurers just auto-deny on any grounds they can think of, which sounds like it might be happening here. In those cases, sternly worded letters on legal letterhead are more effective than you might think.
In general, make yourself a headache for them. They’re denying you to save costs. So make dealing with you into a cost.
More specifically:
If they’re arguing with you about the definition of “power surge,” and there’s nothing in the policy document defining the term, asking an electrician for an opinion is a good idea. Find out what the industry means by “power surge” — do people who do this stuff assume that phrase includes low voltage, or not?
You might also look at advertising material/product information for surge protectors that you can quote them, any warning about power variance on the thing that broke, etc. Your best ammo is specific things from industry sources that you can quote to them.
i've already been quite the nuisance for them and i don't intend on stopping any time soon
if the policy has nothing specific in it, i’ll fight it with whatever i can, i already found stuff like what you mentioned
i think my grandma in law has some lawyer friends
the claim is for less than $3000 but at this point what’s driving me is pure spite (i’m a bitch like that)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I think this is probably right
You really need to rely on the policy language and use it to the best of your ability. I’m a lawyer, not an electrician but I would not think that low voltage would be considered a power surge.
It would not
I’ve argued that with many datacenters, etc.
This would not surprise me
IIRC you’re trying to get an A/C replaced or something? What exactly does the warranty (for the product your’e trying to get replaced) say?
ac condenser blew right after low voltage stunt ameren pulled
unit is way past warranty
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2011: Boog would've count 78
we already went through that
denied because of how the legislation is written up. they assume responsibility for nearly nothing. that’s why they so readily admitted to usaa that they caused the problem
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
If they admitted to USAA that they caused the problem
I would think you have a decent legal claim. Their failure to provide steady electrical service damaged your equipment. Send a letter threatening legal action. If that gets no response, you could probably sue them in small claims court (I have no idea what the limit is in MO, but assume you could make a claim for $5000 or less).
Also, if USAA is your insurance and they denied the claim, I doubt you have any basis for getting coverage from them. They are sooooooooo good at customer service.
That is not true
You can’t just “make a claim” against a public utility. There are various types of state and federal protection. Otherwise, there would be no utilities because they’d have to fight every guy who ever got a static shock in his house, let alone every valid claim.
Is Ameren a "public utility"?
I know for example that utilities in California (including SDG&E) are involved in a huge amount of litigation over wildfires in San Diego that were allegedly started as a result of utility lines. Maybe in MO there is some sort of immunity but that seems bizarre to me, that they would not be liable for their torts or negligence.
That's different
a) possible negligent maintenance? In this case, it’s not like a shitty power line into d-dee’s home caused this
b) the regulations usually don’t keep STATES or such entities from suing.
i'm in IL, state policy covers their ass
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Will your homeowner's insurance
cover this? That’s your best route. Or are you going through this ’cause some lovely insurance agent laughed at your question?
i put in a claim with ameren first but gave my insurance the heads up and reported the damage
they said if ameren doesn’t cover it, they’ll take care of it. well ameren denied it and really, the way the state laws are written up, you can’t touch them
and now the insurance is trying to get out of it. i’ve been fighting them since july, never mind i spent the heat wave without central air
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
They said they'd cover it and then reversed on that?
Depending on how carefully they worded that (did they actually confess liability on the policy or not) you can use that against them if and when it goes to court. Which means you can use it now as leverage.
Squeak away, and I hope you get some grease.
I would think proper insurance would cover it
regardless of any “surge vs drop” or “voltage vs amperage” arguments.
You have 3 options
1. Manufacturer or either A/C or power equipment it’s plugged into. You probably won’t get anywhere with A/C. If you had power protection equipment, there’s a chance, but that equipment, unless it’s a UPS, specifically cannot protect you from a low voltage situation.
2. Ameren. Honestly unless the city or someone forces them to help people like you, this won’t go anywhere.
3. Homeowner’s insurance. If it specifically says “power surge” and nothing else you’re out of luck.
DAMMIT I’m tired of the #!$#$# web page moving while I’m reading or writing.
wait, why am i out of luck if it only says power surge?
i am arguing high amperage is a power surge
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Because almost no one
really defines “power surge” in any contract or warranty. They do that on purpose.
If you claim “power surge” they’ll point to your admission that there was a voltage drop, and they’ll also point to Ameren saying voltage drop (IIRC that’s what you said Ameren said, I may be wrong).
The failure doesn't happen because of an amperage surge when it comes to motors
To my knowledge… the reason low voltage damages motors is because the motor itself has a voltage sensor, and when it sees continual low voltage, it stays running in a “start-up” mode, and running in a start-up mode for a lengthy amount of time causes hardware failures.
So where in a surge the electricity is doing the damage, in a low-voltage situation it’s really not the power doing the voltage, but the way the device responds to the low power.
Rams, Cardinals, Bulls. Life is good.
Err "it's not really the power doing the damage", not voltage.
Derp.
Rams, Cardinals, Bulls. Life is good.
You really need to look at what the operating range is for your equipment.
If the voltage fell below the range or amperage fell above that range, you than have standing with both your insurance company and also the utility. This doesn’t need to be exact, especially with the A/C unit.
I would utilize your utility company to help you in the claim against your homeowners insurance using the leverage that if you can’t get them to take the claim that you’ll have no recourse but to attempt to get restitution from Ameren.
That’s the route I would use. Your policy probably doesn’t define “power surge”, as sdrone points out, which is intentionally vague so that they can claim that they have no responsibility on multiple grounds.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
thanks everyone!
i already paid for the replacement out of pocket but i’ll fight them until i exhaust all possibilities
they’ve purposefully tried to screw us over from day one and changed their story several times, and i won’t stand for it
like i said, i’m a spiteful bitch
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Ameren IL is pretty crooked.
Spite them. Spite them in all of Torty’s glory.
Rams, Cardinals, Bulls. Life is good.
It really depends on your policy, and what kind of device you had fry...
But most devices are rated for a % variance on voltage, say 20%, and it’s usually very specifically listed as a +/- variance. The ways in which low voltage damages equipment varies by the type of device, though.
Rams, Cardinals, Bulls. Life is good.
Electrical issues
Power is a function of both voltage and current. If your policy does not specify voltage surge, you can easily argue that current increase caused your problem because current also increases power. Power is equal to Current squared times resistance. Your resistance doesn’t change with brown out and current obviously does. Good luck.
I still can't believe it
THE PLAYOFFS!!!
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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2011: Boog would've count 78
if it were a real search, the minus sign would work
but it’s an SBN search, so i have no idea. something might blow up.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
so that's what blew my ac!
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2011: Boog would've count 78
use Google
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"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
well
that’ll exclude any page that person posted on, so it’s not going to help you find something within a thread that includes them.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
VS. POSTSEASON TEAMS
Team Record
Cardinals 20-17
Phillies 12-13
Diamondbacks 11-12
Brewers 16-22
Tigers 18-8
Yankees 22-14
Rays 17-22
Rangers 11-19
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 30, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
So you're saying...
there a chance?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
#@!@$%#!
’s
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
How many of those Tigers games are Verlander starts?
I’m going to guess at least 5.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Not too surprised that the Brewers are near the bottom
They really cleaned up against some bad teams when they were so hot this summer.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 30, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Weekend lineup
In one place…
Friday
4pm – TB – TEX
7:30pm – DET – NY
Saturday
1pm – ARI – MIL
4pm – STL – PHI
6pm – TB – TEX
7:30pm – DET – NY
Sunday
3:30pm – ARI – MIL
7pm – STL – PHI
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
(Times already adjusted to St. Louis time)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Albertofstan time
automatically universal. like magic.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
PLAYOFFS!
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Sep 30, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
that's could be me
only i don’t have a beard
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
So....
Anyone see Jonah on Jimmy Fallon last week? Funniest late night interview I’ve ever seen… it was madness…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
i gotta see this now
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Roster Question no: 2
tactically, is Eduardo Sanchez a good addition to the Post Season roster?
Pros: STUFF
Cons: sample size, injury, youth
What does VEB really think?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Sep 30, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
well, the postseason is really only a handful of games
he should be able to pull it off
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2011: Boog would've count 78
I was in favor of adding him to the 2009 playoff roster untested
so yes, I want to see him on the roster.
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Not considering clubhouse issues
I’d leave Westbrook off the roster in favor of a true reliever.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Sep 30, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Westbrook has no experience as a long reliever
I just don’t see a spot for him
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 30, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
how do you leave him off without hurting his feelings?
or replacing him in the rotation?
or should we just go with a four man and sweep everyone
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2011: Boog would've count 78
We just don't need 5 starters
They give us enough breaks between games. Feelings are for 5 years and rings are for champions
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 30, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
fuck his feelings.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
feelings schmeelings
its the playoffs.
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how do you leave him off without hurting his feelings?
You write him a check.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Sep 30, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he's had a whole bunch of shitty first innings this year too....
his K/BB #s are awful for a reliever too. The only possible use he’s got to us at this point is long man, and fuck that. I’ll take Sanchez.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
Assuming Holliday and Furcal were healthy, I'd agree.
Just drop Westbrook (no need for him) and substitute an additional reliever (Sanchez would seem to be the best choice).
But TLR may decide to drop Westie and susbstitute an additional position player given injury concerns to Furcal and Holliday – most especially to keep Punto, in addition to Furcal, Theriot and Skip.
I’m not sure what I’d do – mostly because I’m not sure how healthy Holliday and Furcal actually are.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He was on the DL on September 1st.
Yes.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
yes
he’s part of our magical recipe to make the WORLD SERIES
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I see this and the GOB do too.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Anyone know how the Cardinals Sept run
compares to the run the Brewers put on?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 30, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
I can't help it if I am 62 and addled
a couple of dumb questions then:
I assume I can watch as much of a playoff game as I want an hour or so after it is OVER, but is the LIVE coverage blocked on my MLB-TV package ? (the first year I am using it, and I just have the basic package, not the premium one)
Also, where can I find out the playoff rosters?
and somehow, that yankee roster was from last year.
tigers are the only official from THIS year.
DO IT FOR TORTY!
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by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
don't you have fox and tbs?
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2011: Boog would've count 78
MLB.tv ends with the regular season
To watch the playoffs, you gotta pony up for Postseason.tv. HOWEVER! It’s only 6 bucks. They’ll have all the TBS games - ALDS, NLDS, and NLCS. For the ALCS and WS, you’re stuck with Fox and the soothing sounds of Joe Buck.
by Andyfantastic on Sep 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB.tv continues, but you need to use an international proxy to watch it live.
That might be for Premium only, I’m not certain.
Postseason.tv in the US is being sold as an “enhancement” to the telecasts. You’ll get different camera angles and some extras, but not the game the same way that it’s broadcast. You also don’t get the ALCS or World Series at all in the US.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 30, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are the announcers?
If it’s Dick Crappyton then damn, guess I’ll stick with TV.
Stockton / Brenly / Sager.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
i hear this multiple times every year
which can only mean that postseason.tv’s advertising is either broken or very misleading
Matt Moore takes the ball for game 1...
almost 11 years to the day since the last lefty top prospect tried it…
I have a feeling he's going to dominate and the Matt Moore hype is going to get out of control
BEST PITCHING PROSPECT EVER (even though Strasburg is/was better)
Not afraid to nitpick
I remember Barry Zito starting in the playoffs too.
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I remember Donovan Osbo.....
wait, that doesn’t work.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
OT: Favorite scene from Parks & Rec last night
This is America isn’t it? Then I don’t have to answer stupid questions while standing on my own property.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 30, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
OT: Favorite scene from Parks & Rec last night
This is America isn’t it? Then I don’t have to answer stupid questions while standing on my own property.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Sep 30, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
october baseball!!!!! wooooooo
I’m still pretty god damn excited
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Sep 30, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i think we all are.
DO IT FOR TORTY!
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by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 30, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
So where does Francona end up next year
I’m thinking he’ll find a small to mid market team, so I don’t think he’ll end up in Chicago
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
I still don't see Francona going anywhere.
Who could do a better job replacing him?
Nyjer Morgan Fan Club President
by peppermartin on Sep 30, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
so who are we thinking will win the brewers-snakes series?
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2011: Boog would've count 78
brewers.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
someone tweeted earlier
that the diamondbacks don’t have the sex-appeal of a playoff team. compared to the beermen, the diamondbacks look lackluster.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
All they do is win games though.
I think their rise in that division had a lot to do with all the other teams falling off considerably from last year, but they won’t get steamrolled I don’t think.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
yeah,
i can easily see the series stretching out to four (or five, but that’s less likely i think) games. i don’t think they’ll be steamrolled. i just think the brewers are better.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
i would rather the diamondbacks win, of course.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I kind of want to face the Brewers.
Well, I want Carp to face Morgan again.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
while we're getting ahead of ourselves with the whole nlcs thing,
i don’t want to have to deal with the brewers. they scare me more than the diamondbacks do.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
They have offensive players who are capable of just carrying a team
And they have high strikeout pitchers like Greinke and Gallardo.
I’d much rather face Ian Kennedy and Daniel Hudson with the D-Backs no-name offense.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
are you kidding me? we own the brewers
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2011: Boog would've count 78
maybe my emotions don't hold up to rigorous study.
heh.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
brewers should win easy.
DO IT FOR TORTY!
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by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 30, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hope it isn't a sweep either way.
Brewers have to be the favorite, though.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 30, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
A hard fought win for the Diamondbacks
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 30, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
o/
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2011: Boog would've count 78
I would not be at all surprised if Arizona won.
I think this one is pretty close to 50-50. The Brewers offense is prone to going quiet all of a sudden, and Greinke and Gallardo (Gallardo especially) are both prone to crapping the bed now and then.
i legitimately think its going to be a 5 game series
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with the DBacks stadium's ability to make pitchers completely unable to pitch
see; Hotme. It could go either way.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Brewers in 4
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Cardinals fans destined to a terrible future
Of more Ricky Horton. http://m.stltoday.com/STL/db_138171/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=kxrzlNRA
"And that youngster will leave the stadium with a souvenir today. Not a ball, but a nice looking bruise."- Mike Shannon
by wizard11 on Sep 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Danny Mac has been calling Cardinals games for 14 years?
That doesn’t even seem possible.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He looked like he was in high school when they first brought him on
So in that sense it kinda does seem like a while.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
we should start sending ricky cases of liquer
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
i'm not convinced. his reduced assignment this year came before the first incident
it looks like they’re taking a hard line, though!
He has been suspended by Fox Sports Midwest
[…]
but with the Cards’ season over and FSM not airing postseason games McLaughlin had no assignments pending for that outlet.
i just hope they don't bring back jack clark
put matheny in the booth
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2011: Boog would've count 78
I just don't see them giving him a 3rd chance
The blowback if something awful happened would be too much.
by Merry CRasmus on Sep 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I never realised he got another DUI.
Dumbass.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I found this amusing from BCB (Brewers)
Remember when you were in junior high
And you and your friends were planning this sweet party, and there was this one loser kid who kept asking about it and wanting to come, and so you all told him the wrong night or the wrong place or whatever, and then when the time for party came, you were all hanging out and everything, and all of a sudden the loser kid shows up out of nowhere and is like, "Hey guys, what’s up?" and you’re all going, "HOW THE HELL DID YOU GET HERE? Can’t we, like, move the party somewhere else now?"
That’s exactly what the Cardinals making the playoffs is like.
by Cheeseandcorn on Sep 28, 2011 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
it's a funny thing how unexpected success boosts unrealistic thoughts of mega superiority
look at what happened to the reds last year
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
The Cardinals are out of it for a little while and everybody gets delusions of grandeur.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's sort of endearing, in a way.
How proud of themselves they are when they have the occasional good year.
(He said, with as much condescension and arrogance as he could muster)
my takeaway
was that being a brewers fan is like being in junior high, apparently.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Sep 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Come to cheeseandcorn's house for...for...
CHEESE…and also corn.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 30, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
at the same time?
or are they in like seperate rooms?
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
It is totally up to you!
There is one room for cheese and corn combined, then there is another for just cheese, and then still another for just corn!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 30, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm picturing some avant garde venn diagram architecture
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's a progressive
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
bad metaphor is bad
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
and then the loser kids sleeps with your girlfriend and pisses on your parents bed.
Grit != flat out sucking.
* not at the same time, unless of course, said girlfriend is into that kinda thing.
Grit != flat out sucking.
she is...
\o
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Taxi hailing!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
I'm not calling him/her out on anything
I just thought it was a good and funny representation of how Brewers fans feel about the whole situation.
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh. Very.
And no problem! It was fun to do it. I’ll likely do it again next year.
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The Cardinals had 8 WS titles before the Brewers existed
who’s the fucking new kid here?
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
by nota bene on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
and a rec for you.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It is really more like when the dorky kid threw his first party
and invited all the girls and none of the cool guys, then at 1 AM the cool guys show up to eat all the food, and leave with the girls and the dorky kid was like “hey this was supposed to be MY turn”
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
by TomCat009 on Sep 30, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This sounds so familiar....
I would like to say this for all the VEBers reading this
Votto is the best first baseman in baseball right now.
Dusty is better than TLR.
We took your GM.
We took your third baseman. (He hates TLR, but loves Dusty)
We are going to take your division.
Ahhh. Tears of infinite sadness. Delicious.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
someone with time
should make a fanpost for postseason predictions
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
I was thinking of doing that this morning, but I didn't have time to put anything decent together.
Also, I suck. But I’m predicting:
Brewers over DBacks
Phillies over Birds+
Tigers over Yankees
Rangers over Rays++
Phillies over Brewers
Tigers over Rangers
Phillies over Tigers
+The Cards fan in me thinks they can totally do it, but if I pretend to look at it dispassionately for a moment it’s hard not to pick the Phillies.
++This one might as well have been a coin flip for me.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Brewers over D’backs, Phillies over Cards, Yankees over Tigers, Rangers over Rays
Phillies over Brewers, Yankees over Rangers
Phillies over Yankees
DO IT FOR TORTY!
twitter
put together a fanpost for all this, zoomzoom!
Someone needs to, anyway.
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Someone else, put up a fanpost for playoff predictions!
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hey veb
what is your favourite word (any language)?
i think mine is concatenate.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
anything in german
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
Jugenarbeitsschutzgesetz
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
law for protection of child labor
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
facetious
It has every vowel in alphabetical order and is fun to say.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i also like sequoia for that reason
well, the reason of having every vowel in it and being fun to say
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
facetiously
and sometimes y
"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte
by GasHouseMang on Sep 30, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
it seems the defenestration club has not arrived yet.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
matamoscas
flyswatter “swat the fly” in spanish
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
asshat
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
fuck
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
There are strong arguments for that.
Also for another of the four-letter words (the only one that I don’t feel super-comfortable saying here, actually). Louis C.K. made the case for it in a stand-up bit a while back.
Was it part of what he yelled at the deer that broke his mirror?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
No, unless he said it then, too.
Which is likely.
It’s part of the unmistakable beginning of one of the specials… I think Chewed Up. 10 minutes or so on the three words that you actually feel a little bad saying, even among friends (that’s not the theme, just a description of the words).
No later in that special he calls a deer that he hit a stupid F***** N***** C*** Deer
he say’s " I would happily bl** 20 guys in an alley with bleeding d***s so I could get aids and f** a deer and kill it"
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
disappointing to see a parent spoiling the family atmosphere of this blog with language like that
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Uberraschung.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
we need to win at least 3 games in the NLDS to advance
i concluded the season over too many times to conclude the NLDS over if they lose the first two
...marked everything as read. sigh.
what’d I miss?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
me too.
If this goes five games, the prospect of only having carp start one of them is frightening.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I think 2 starts of Carp on short rest is worse, however.
And you’re only guaranteed to get one start and that would be on short rest.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
game 5 would be on normal rest, wouldn't it?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's terrible analysis.
Carp should start game 4.
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Reason?
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
by fourstick on Sep 30, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be there that night.
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by a fink on Sep 30, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good as any!
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
by fourstick on Sep 30, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not much.
T-shirt gate with Sebek
Pissing match over Jackson versus Garcia in Game 2
Dbacks versus Brewers picks
BCBlite is junior high
You know, the usual.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Sep 30, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so the cardinals led the NL in runs
but are the 3rd best NL playoff offense per the black sheep ripken brother on mlbn
black sheep ripken somehow easier to remember
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
(the cards led the NL in most offensive statistics)
Some true facts (all compared to NL):
Most runs scored per game
Most runs
Most hits (both of these my a decent margin)
Most RBI
Fewest K’s (less than 1000!)
Highest BA
Highest OBP
Highest SLG
Higest OPS+
Most Total Bases
(Most GIDP)
Most IBB
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
where did you get the ops+?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
i looked, i didn't see
/me dumb
link me please
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
(just sort by OPS+)
(obviously)
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
oye! thanks
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
At what time will the 25-man roster be announced?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
doesnt it have to be today
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
um, tonight.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
OT: Early next year Bank of America will charge you 5 dollars a month
if you use your debit card.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
full disclosure
the charges will only be incurred if you use your debit card for anything other than atm transactions.
it’s still silly.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Still
I rarely carry cash, and all my online shopping is tied to my debit card.
Debit cards were supposed to speed up the process at the markets, etc. and they have. However I for one can tell you I won’t be using my debit card anymore.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
just switch banks
or switch to a credit union. also, i wouldn’t tie your online shopping to a debit card. i don’t think they have the same fraud policy as credit cards.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Looks like I'll have to
I switched banks from Heartland when they had that big leak of credit and debit card numbers and I’ve been with BofA since about 2008 and have been really happy.
I believe I qualify for their “premium account” status where you don’t get charged, but it’s the principle behind it. Their loss not mine as I’m sure a lot of banks would love my business.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Chase, WellsFargo, Citi all moving that way, too.
Nothing official yet, but they’ve made noise and I’d be surprised if they didn’t. The timing is good — they can squeeze more from consumers and avoid bad PR by blaming Dodd-Frank.
Bank small. Screw the big ones.
I'm sure the small ones will move in the same direction too
But like I say in all these things: if it’s worth $5/mo then use it….what a novel concept, paying for something that has value to you! If it’s not worth $5/mo, switch/don’t use it.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'd actually be surprised if they do.
Local banks, in my (limited) experience, tend to have a hard enough time attracting depositors that they don’t look at them as revenue streams to the extent the big banks do. They’re more generous with free checking, free debiting, etc., just to get more money in the door to put to work in commercial lending.
I'm sure the small ones will move in the same direction too
But like I say in all these things: if it’s worth $5 then use it….what a novel concept, paying for something that has value to you! If it’s not worth $5, switch/don’t use it.
Not afraid to nitpick
What is your debit card for then?
Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. What if I don’t want my money stolen?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Then you pay $5 for the peace of mind of not carrying cash, apparently.
All the banks will do this (I’m guessing) until one of them breaks ranks and goes back to free debiting to attract customers, and then they’ll all go back.
As always, the answer is community banking. Or Ally.
Yep. I'll switch to local union. I've just been too lazy to do it until now. And I've moved a bunch,
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Yeah.
I’m still with Chase, but only because my employer has a sweetheart relationship with them that works to my benefit. And even with that, I might be moving along soon.
BofA has been fine. Never had a single problem with them, and they're very convenient, but I'm not paying for it!
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this
I’ve had nothing but good things to say about BofA and any time I had a problem they took care of it. But 5 dollars to use my card in the way it was designed to be used is ridiculous.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It was designed to be used and for them to get revenue off that usage
They wouldn’t offer it otherwise. D-F just made them switch how they get the revenue.
Not afraid to nitpick
they tried to screw me pretty bad once
by fiddling with the order of transactions so that a big rent check cleared before a bunch of small transactions, so that they could ding me for repeated overdrafts.
They backed down, but I’ve been meaning to switch since then. This might be what it takes to push me over.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
I don't live in my local area.
I can’t switch.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
you definitely can switch.
most credit unions are shared branches, meaning you can use most credit unions in the country to bank with your account. so you could open one in clemson, and use that account anywhere you move to.
for instance, i have a lfcu account, which only has branches in california. i moved a bunch and kept using that account. now i’m back in california, but i still don’t bank AT a lfcu branch.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I'll have to talk to my parents because I don't understand this.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
There are online banks
that will refund ATM transaction fees.
hah not BofA
Here’s how it works for me.
Should I take out money at a non-BofA ATM – not only do i get charged whatever the fee is for that ATM, BofA charges me 2-3 dollars for not using their ATM.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Same
Except the weird thing being that there were no ATM fees when I was in Europe or China at very much non-BOA ATMs. Not sure how that works.
Not afraid to nitpick
They probably are against the law there
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Credit card transactions got hit with a 1% foreign fee so I don't think so
And the exchange rates were dead on. I still can’t figure it out.
Not afraid to nitpick
Because BofA is awesome about that.
That was so much fun to not worry about that when all of my friends were worried about like pretty substantial charges on theirs.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
so is it "s" "drone"
or “sdr” “one”?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
hmm.
sorry if i didn’t explain it well.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
It's not you.
I just don’t get this stuff. It’s why I must get married very soon so I don’t have to figure it out on my own.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
joking aside, and delving in your personal life more than i probably should
i respectfully don’t think that’s a very good position to take.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I'm sort of joking.
I could try to figure it out on my own with a lot of help from others and I would certainly never get married just because I need someone to handle my finances but I do have a lot of trouble with money things. Mostly I have a terrible phobia of buying things that conflicts with my desire to buy things and it creates a lot of chaos in my head.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
i can relate to this.
all i wanted to say is that “let the husband deal with the money” is, i think, dangerous.
anyway.
here’s a credit union locator.
and like i said, credit unions share branches and atms, so it’s like having one gigantic bank.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I mean if he wanted to work with me on it and explain what is happening that is fine.
But I don’t expect to ever be proficient on my own.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I'll say this then leave you alone
I consider finance a critical life skill that you should have. Anything can happen in life; you could get hurt, your husband could get hurt, you could get divorced.
I’ll leave it at that. If you’d like to talk, get pointers to articles, whatever, it’s relatively easy to find my email address.
I think it is one too.
But I don’t get it. And I won’t get it by reading articles. Unfortunately there was not time in my schedule to take a financial literacy class. If someone wants to offer me one free of charge with innovative and fun learning strategies this summer I will be thrilled to take it. :)
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
You can get it
It’s not that hard. And it’s worth it.
Three Keys
1. Know your limitations, if lack discipline leave your cards at home.
2. Automate as much as you can, Online banking is your friend. My bank texts me when my account drops below a certain number. This is key since over draft fees are a stupid tax and can wrack up quickly
3. Make yourself save money every paycheck, you can automate this too but saving even 20 dollars a week is over $1000 dollars a year.
Knowing what I know about you I think you ought to look up Dave Ramsey and follow his program
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
this
taking money out of your paycheck is crucial. I was lucky that when I was 15 and had my first job as a building manager for my gradeschool’s multipurpose building, that my parents taught me about responsibility and made me split my check in 4 (savings, college, cell phone bill, and spending) believe me working at 5.15 an hour doesn’t leave a lot of money to split but I always paid my cell bill, and always had money to go out.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
and max out your Roth IRA if at all possible
because eventually you may not be able to, and your tax rate today is almost certainly lower than it will ever be in the future.
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
learning how to budget helps that a lot.
there are no actual rules to the categories — one can have a set limit for splurges, or weekly treats, or harry potter paraphernalia. no anxiety unless you go above your limit, and then have a set time to review whether the limits are appropriate.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I knew a girl
who spent close to 1000 dollars on a harry potter Halloween costume – the wand alone was close to 400 dollars.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
if she gets $1000 worth of enjoyment out of it, and isn't going in the red, I see no problem with that
it’s the beauty of budgeting! even people who hate math can love it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I know people who spend hundreds of dollars on baseball tickets to a single game!!
When the could watch the same game on TV!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
My boss is from Tampa
he is going back next week he said he found tickets for $35 online
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
that will create all kinds of additional problems
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I'd also like to butt in and point out
that if one doesn’t go into marriage with a balanced plan for handling money
that will often put the marriage itself on the block
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I feel like you guys are taking my original statement way too seriously.
I would like to be involved in he conversation but I don’t think I should have the reins if you know what I mean.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
use a credit card instead
As long as you pay it off entirely every month, it’s exactly the same but with some perks:
(a) you basically get a recurring one-month interest-free loan
(b) you build up a credit history
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a credit card that I use mainly for gas/groceries because of the perks of buying those things with it
And I use my debit card for everything else. I’ll see how this plays out. If they continue with the plan to add the fee, I’ll get rid of my debit card (a cardinals debit card too :( ) and use my credit card for everything and just pay the bill with my checking account.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm terrified of credit cards.
I’m living off loans already.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Get one. Be disciplined.
Don’t use it if you don’t have the cash in an account to pay for what you’re buying. Period. And pay it in full every month.
If you do that, credit cards are nothing but a good thing, for the reasons mentioned. They’re basically a huge benefit to responsible users, at the expense of irresponsible ones.
This is what I did
When I was younger and came into a lot of money I used my debit card to make purchases I’d always wanted (a nice big screen tv for one) and later realized I should have signed up for a credit card and built credit. I’ve only been building credit for the past few years and I wish I had been doing it a lot sooner.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, if and when you qualify for a rewards card,
it operates as something like a 1% discount on life. Just never ever carry over a balance.
I never do
As soon as I get a significant charge, I pay it off well before the due date. I think one time because of the date of when my payment cleared I had a 22.00 balance, but that was it.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And insurance on many purchases...
And airline miles (or whatever)….
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 30, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Credit cards are awesome
I don’t get why people don’t like them. The only way they can hurt you is if you’re reckless and stupid with them.
I got interviewed about that for tonight's local news! Torty makes an appearance.
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well, since they'll cap the fees they can charge retailers for the use of debit cards, banks will make up for it by charging the customers
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Pick a month
Then open a pool on whether or not BofA is still in business by then.
They are possibly heading toward some serious trouble.
Doubt they'll be in *that* much trouble.
They’ve settled out a fair portion of the mortgage mess already, and it’s a strong consumer brand. Plus I have knee-jerk trust in Buffet.
They have not settled a significant portion of the mortgage mess
The state coalition thing was never signed. And now there are big lawsuits coming due to deceipt about the Merrill acquisition.
Rest deleted due to politics. hahaha.
Wasn't referring to the states - I thought they bought out a CA?
Wasn’t that a big chunk of the loss last quarter? No doubt I’m misinformed.
sorry, don't konw what you mean by
“bought out a CA”
the big fish eat the little ones
the big fish eat the little ones….
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
SPOILER:
While these numbers suggest the match-up isn’t necessarily a cake walk for the Phillies, it’s hard to imagine losing three out of five when you can roll out Halladay, Lee, and Hamels for all five starts.
My prediction: Cardinals run out of gas, Philadelphia cruzes to the NLCS with a series sweep.
“We have all this evidence against it, but we’re picking a sweep anyway.”
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Sep 30, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
MF'in SBN formatting.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
i was wondering about this too.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
i know how to find it
but I’ll let y’all wriggle.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just realized I'm all up in your brain space
Apologies. I’m trying to learn these “personal space” rules and it just isn’t sticking yet.
hey look, we even posted at the same time
Still not a werewolf.
No.
Sometimes Y2S likes to lord his superior search engine skillz over the rest of us. I appreciate the link. Usually, I look for these things myself so if I’m asking, it means I was not finding it in a timely manner.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
actually it's because firefox is getting slower and slower
and keeps getting bigger and bigger. my ability to tab around is severely reduced. [inappropriate relationship metaphor redacted]
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this is a true fact
i’m really starting to hate this damn browser now.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
well, it's partly my fault for having so many danged tabs.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
firefox is kind of like the albert pujols of browsers
once immensely great and now still pretty good, but still at the beginning of the inevitable decline which will end in a slow sad death of frequent not responding messages
remember when albert swung at that pitch that hit him? that’s like trying to open an itunes page in firefox 6
yeah, the GIDP rate is getting to be kind of annoying.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
7.0 has improved the memory footprint
A bigger issue is add-ons and how they use memory
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I've found that 7 still has some of the memory leak issues
it used to have terrible memory leaks back in like 2004/5, and now they’re back for me. Could be a problem with my machine, though, since I haven’t seen widespread complaints about it.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
i doubt it
if you’re having memory leaks, it’s either a problem with your OS (highly unlikely unless it’s some alpha relase of an obscure unix distro) or it’s one of the applications you’re running not freeing up dynamic memory it’s requested at runtime
I wasn't actually going to stop
I just didn’t want him to think that he could make me his search monkey.
Still not a werewolf.
you don't choose the search
the search chooses you
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
too late.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
hm..
MLB MLB
D-backs hitting coach Don Baylor fainted earlier this morning. He was taken to the hospital for precautionary reasons and further tests.
16 minutes ago
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
or sausages spiking the food
Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers says Baylor had a “fainting episode” after eating breakfast in the clubhouse, and one of the team’s trainers caught him as he fell.
- AP
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
could be cardiac related
or one of 100 different things. Hope he’s okay.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Wait, someone caught him?
Did he drop a handkerchief too?
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
by Aranathor on Sep 30, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know you are joking
but there was probably some build up to the fainting. Like, “Oh, I dont feel so good, (trainers name) come over here” or something like that.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm trying to figure out what exactly they're doing in Miller Park to give them an "advantage"
in any case, this guy’s a baseball lifer … one hopes it’ll turn out okay
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not actually a hitting coach.
He’s the HBP coach.
by hangingfromatree on Sep 30, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
well, here we go
scottrovak Scott Rovak
Boarding the plane, heading to Philly! #postseason #stlcards yfrog.com/h89n3gkj
27 minutes ago
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Because there were questions yesterday...
@dgoold
Derrick Goold
#Cardinals arriving at clubhouse now here in Philly. Dave Duncan is with the ball club, walking ahead of La Russa. Players streaming behind.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Wasn't he with the team in their last game as well?
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
He was present at the luggaging.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Seattle! no, wait.... uh... uhm... Jack Wilson!
no, he’s going home.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
BIG Z!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
one wonders
how he’s doing.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So.. how do I capture video from the news streaming tonight?
My mid-season predictions contest RESULTS
See if you won!
don't they put the newscast on the web? which channel is it?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
They stream, but I don't think it's available except streaming live. I want to know how to capture that (KOMU)
My mid-season predictions contest RESULTS
See if you won!
google free screen recorder
what time is the newscast?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
It's the 5 or 6. Not sure. I'll look for the screen recorder.
My mid-season predictions contest RESULTS
See if you won!
VEB traffic patterns are funny
on days like this. I do VEB while on conference calls or whatever. But on days when people are happy about the team and you hit early afternoon, there’s too much to keep up with.
Good day to test, though. I’ve gotten frustrated with Firefox lately, or the combo of Firefox and Windows 7, giving me too many instances of the hourglass while something loads or whatever.
I don’t like Chrome because of Google’s data mining, but I’m trying it today and it’s working relatively well.
the dead zone is around the 5pm hour
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I LOEV CHROME
Seriously, Chrome is nice, but I’m not worried about Google’s data mining or whatever.
THE ABOVE ARGUMENT JUST MADE IRRELEVANT
@dgoold
Derrick Goold
Carpenter is going Game 2 per La Russa. #STLcards
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
CDGAF
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also...
@CardsInsider
St. Louis Cardinals
Carpenter will be Sunday night and Garcia in Game 3. Westbrook and Jackson will be in bullpen over the weekend.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Note:
Westbrook is on the roster.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
good thing Jake made the roster
think of how useful he will be!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 30, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a distant memory of Carp not performing well on short rest
and am way too lazy to actually investigate. Anyone?
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
if he goes too long without destroying batters he goes into withdrawal
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
he was still looking for more after that 27th out
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
@miklasz
Bernie Miklasz
La Russa said Carpenter’s easy, breezy start in HOU on Wednesday made it possible to consider him for Game 2.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
Yes, yes he is.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Sep 30, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thats my line!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
we'll have to find when he is juuuust right.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
my hazy memory
was that he was great on extra rest, himself on normal rest (duh), and worse on short.
but yea, in all likelihood he just DGAF
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i remember him worse on long rest
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
The issue was short rest
(he was worse) but it was pointed out, I think that on one extra day’s rest he kicked ass.
yeah
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=carpech01&year=Career&t=p#dr::none
better on short rest, worse on long rest
I love it when my memory is wrong
Carp for game 1 !
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
wait
slightly worse on extra rest and i’m not sure what the difference between GR and GS is
maybe he’s never started on short rest
yeah, he has 0 starts with less than 4 days rest
crazy. i guess we’ll find out pretty soon
i don’t expect it’ll make that big a deal
GR = games relieved
GS = games started.
he’s never pitched on short rest before, although he was about to in the 2009 playoffs (as I found below)
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
In the 2009 playoffs fiasco, Carp was about to start on short rest, but you know what happened...
According to this article from 2009,
La Russa said the 17-game winner played catch and felt good enough to pitch Sunday. La Russa has never started Carpenter on three days’ rest.
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i think in this case, the nebulous makeup of the rest of the pitchers really forces it.
in 09 we could double down on aces.
just didn’t count on avocado.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
zeruko wins the thread.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh, hell, that would be terrific
any extra time that Lego/Furcal have to get healthy is a plus for us….
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
Did VEB just get the Red Baron Wednesday post treatment?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
that would've come out before the auto-post.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Not a fan of this move.
They’re trying to get Carp two starts in this series if it goes 5 games — there’s really no other reason to make this move
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
i keep picturing this in my head
IS THAT ADAM WAINWRIGHT’S MUSIC
thanks a lot, VEB.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what was the last news about old waino
still progressing nicely?
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 169
NL Record: 2011 Cardinals, 169
ML Record: 1990 Red Sox, 174
i know it's not going to happen
it’s just the mental picture.
with lights. and maybe a smoke machine.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this is someone's fault!!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
guys, we're pushing 950 comments
just fyi
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
hmm
kinda wishing tony would have pulled carp early with a 7-0 lead wednesday.
the black eye might have been worth it.
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
but given the infection earlier in the year, he was advised not to!
density!
I wonder how much Dunc had to do with leaving him in. he was kind of coach-emeritus that day.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hindsight is 20/20
Carp was having his most dominant start of the season in the [second-most] important game of the season; no way anyone would want to take him out as comfortable a 7-0 lead feels.
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What I'm saying is, you can't get greedy in that situation
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
still, you never know
and especially since Carpenter was completely obliterating the astros, you want to keep the momentum going and you don’t want to take a chance.
also, carp’s CGSO this means our bullpen is very well rested for the series, which is a huge plus.
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
and would've been for a possible play-in game
which looked very likely at the time.
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
well
miklasz Bernie Miklasz
I asked TLR if he wishes he had taken Carpenter out early in Houston to save some pitches he said no, ’cause Carp was throwing so easily.
1 minute ago
also
miklasz Bernie Miklasz
No determination made on Holliday, Furcal availability. Decisions tomorrow when roster must be set.
1 minute ago
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
hopefully he's right
in my mind, a pitch is a pitch, and 102 of them is quite a bit of work.
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
He did nothing but toy with lineup.
Hell, I don’t think he even changed jerseys.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
we've discussed this at various points over the year w/ Carp
he had, what, 4 starts over 120 pitches? The raw # of pitches isn’t what stresses the pitcher, it’s more like the rhythm. I wonder if #P should be combined w/ batters faced in order to give a more complete picture of how hard the pitcher actually worked.
Carp only faced 30 batters on Wednesday; if he gives up a few runs, then maybe 30 BF only gets him to the 7th inning.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
He cruised through that start
and they’re trying to get him 2 starts in the series should it go 5 games.
I think that’s the reasoning here, and it’s pretty good reasoning. The issue I have is that we’re only guaranteed one start, that start is on short rest (as was Game 1 of the NLDS in ‘09 and that didn’t go well), and that fully rested Carp and Garcia in Games 3 and 4 (if necessary) would be better for our club.
A lot hinges on Game 1, imo. I really think that we’ve got to win that game to have a chance to win the series.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
What do we know about Holliday's health right now?
I feel like there should be updates, but I haven’t seen any.
this is one thing I appreciate about the NFL
Daily injury updates, even if some coaches do try to mislead. We need more gambling on baseball, I guess.
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
by cj2k on Sep 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
indeed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
does it even show? i dont know why its not working
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
It has to be on the internet somewhere.
It’s on your computer’s hard drive right now.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. It seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great. - Joe Posnanski
it looks like it's on your Mac desktop
you need to upload it somewhere (e.g. Dropbox public folder, picasa, etc)
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Users/[redacted]/Desktop/theriot%20roll%20rofl.gif
Please note that if you’re trying to post an animated gif, you should have a subject line so others can collapse your post if necessary. You can upload your image to imgur.com and then use that link to post your comment.
by hr on Sep 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This happened to me yesterday and I'm in IT
so I should be good at it. you’ll figure it out.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
by cj2k on Sep 30, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
close
open the Public folder
Right click on the file → Dropbox → copy public link
then paste that into the img field on VEB
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus
HOLLIDAY HOLLIDAY HOLLIDAY, that’s how you say his name, not Halladay
….ha and as I type this Chris Rose just corrected Millar and said “Uh it’s Matt HOLLIDAY and Roy Halladay”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
New finance advice thread!
So I’m staring at the big pile of grad school debt, which fortunately my job leaves me able to pay without suffering too much. But it’s a BIG pile. And it averages out to about 7.5% interest. At that interest rate, I figure it’s an easy call to pay down debt before saving.
Question is, are the long-term tax advantages of a Roth IRA (somebody mentioned this above, made me think of it) enough that I should still dump as much as I can into that, even though I’m generally not saving at the moment? Employer doesn’t match any contributions, so I’m not leaving free money on the table if I take a 401(k) break for a couple years.
Words from the wise? Is there anything other than guessing at future tax rates to think about here?
Well you already know my opinion ...
we’re in the exact same situation with my wife’s med school debt right now, and we funded both of our Roth’s in full this year. If you believe that your income will rise, that your investments will accrue value, and that tax rates will go up, I think it’s almost always worth it. 7.5% is right around where I’d be ambivalent, however. If you can pay down the higher-interest ones, I’d probably start there.
And for the record, I am in no way qualified to be dispensing financial advise. If you have any questions about computational biology, on the other hand, fire away.
by brackenthebox on Sep 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just such a debt hawk, for one thing.
That, and I would appreciate the freedom of not being in debt, in terms of not necessarily needing to stay in a high-paying (which in the legal field, means high hours and stress) job for too long.
I’m also 27 and have basically no assets or savings, so it’s hard not to feel behind the 8 ball there. I’m definitely going to kill the 8% loans ASAP, but beyond those, yeah, very ambivalent. One issue is that I’d be taxed in the top bracket for my Roth contributions now, and my long-term plans make it far from certain that my income will rise after the next few years. So if I retire middle class instead of rich, I’d actually punt a lot of the tax advantage — assuming, among other things, that if and when tax rates rise, they’ll do so at the top but not as much in the middle.
Not a bad problem to have, but still one where I wish somebody would just instruct me so I could stop thinking about it.
If you have the ability to get rid of those loans in under five years(military/100 work weeks)
then do it freedom is way under valued
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
In general terms, debt should ALWAYS take priority
above long term investment.
However, I’d 1) invest at least a little bit in the Roth and b) GOOD GOD see if you can do something about that 7.5% rate.
If you don’t have a savings account to cover emergencies, etc. you should not be contributing to a Roth.
I can knock of a quarter-percent by setting up auto-debit.
Which I’ll do. But there aren’t a lot of options other than that (consolidation has no effect, etc.). I bought the law degree dear.
...
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
how about you just email the picture to somebody to upload for you
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i quit
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
nope
might I just suggest using imgur.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fanclub
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said it was too big.
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
i heard size doesn't matter.
by hangingfromatree on Sep 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok, then picasa is the back up in case of that when that happens to me.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fanclub
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
okay.
open http://www.imgur.com
drag the picture into the browser
it will upload
click the uploaded picture
copy image location
come to veb
put in a subject line
click the little tree
paste the image location
click post
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
trees are for losers
/unrelated gif
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Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
I wish the gif would work. its the one of tootblan rolling the ball to schumaker.
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
just e-mail it to me
my e-mail is listed on my sbn profile
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i've seen it before.
its really a shame i gave up saving baseball gifs. looking through my collection, i have a ton of great ones. if someone knows where there is a good archive of mlb gifs that would be awesome.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Sep 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
saved. thanks.
for inspiration for someone to do a gif fanshot or something, i give you gabe kapler…
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Sep 30, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd be amazed it if was my gif from the other day
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
hahaha
yeah, all this effort and it was JUST posted. that’s funny.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
i could add a little d-dee in the corner so ppl don't have to look
but i thought it was clear if it’s a cardinals gif, i probably made it (delusions of grandeur)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
thanks fritz
James K Polk
Forefather of not giving a fuck.
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Was it my imagination
or during the celebration when Yadi was giving a speech did he say “we gonna kick their ass”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
Doc Halladay is busting out classical quotes on us.
http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/roy-halladay-bury-caesar/
Rams, Cardinals, Bulls. Life is good.
the context would imply
that he doesn’t actually know what that quote means
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Anybody watching Intentional Talk
on millar’s GOT HEEEEEEEEM they showed the posters that were hanging in the celebration for the cardinals, specifically the central division champ posters.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
the brewers must be thrilled
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
By far my favorite image from the celebration
is carp standing in the middle, head down, with his cap in the air, being sprayed with champagne and beer.
Epic.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
does anyone have a video of the celebration? FS Houston sucked
Reporter: "Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?"
Shaquille O’Neill: "I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to."
spliced but nonetheless
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
not to reopen the (now moot) firefight way upthread
but I think there is nothing dissonant in believing that while the statistical revolution has given us many new analytical tools, it still does not literally predict the future, which (not to put too fine a point on it) remains impossible.
I read a lot of the comments up there as explicitly rejecting all qualitative analysis as inherently imaginary. (I have probably harped on this before so forgive me if this is familiar.) There is a certainty that quantitative analysis can provide. Especially over large stretches of time, players tend to revert to well-established rate stats, for example. But since all statistical knowledge is provisional (with x amount of error), sometimes it’s just plain wrong. Sometimes So Taguchi manages to homer off Billy Wagner. Sometimes the Braves lose 11.5 games in the standings in roughly a month. Sometimes the Red Sox win 8 games in a row. Everybody knows there’s no such thing as a black swan, until someone sees a black swan.
Sometimes, the thinking behind categorizing a potential outcome as likely or unlikely is faulty, or misapplied. Baseball is still not yet actually being played by robots (even if it might be nice to have robot umpires, or managers), and The Human Element is always, by definition, present. I can totally understand that not everyone wants to kick around competing subjective analyses of players and teams, which may be influenced by mass media and fake narratives, but the opposite position—saying that since that stuff is subjective it’s 100% worthless—is going to have the occasional blind spot as well. If that part of the game resists careful analysis, if it is frustrating in its nebulosity, if it refuses to yield the air of knowledge that numerical analysis offers, well….that’s part of why the game draws millions of attendees year in and year out, because of the unpredictable. If the proverbial Christian never managed to beat the Lion, nobody would go to the Colosseum.
Maybe it’s a cliche, but the human beings on the field are indeed human and are subject to the same sorts of minor things that affect all us daily. (Cf. DD’s bit about Garcia being bothered by taxis and such.) Believing that the impact on the field of such things (which are probably influenced by narratives, which may or may not be manufactured bullshit) is unknowable is one thing; believing that they can be entirely discounted is a bridge too far IMHO.
tl;dr: What I’m trying to say is that if Garcia thinks he’s going to pitch badly on the road, someone better provide our robot manager with that input, regardless of whether anybody thinks it’s all in Garcia’s head.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
by nota bene on Sep 30, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I agree since the Playoffs a by their very nature SSS Goodness
relax and enjoy it
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
which is why it irks me to hear people say how much the cards' success in september is due to tlr
like nb says, statistics are useful, but if you can’t derive separate metrics for each variable, there is a certain lack of correlation between the stats and results regardless of sample size. personally, i believe that much of what happened this month was because of jmo’s trades, some credit to tlr, but mostly credit to the braves for crashin to a firey death. without that, nothing much is said about how many games were won in september, how bad or short of what was needed the rasmus deal was, how great tlr is, etc.. basically, we were lucky and tlr could have managed us to more wins with more adroit decision making. gracias bravos
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
The Cards have every chance to win every game because they above average at nearly
every position and have more depth than any other team
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
well since most people say the trades were all TLR anyway
then we give credit to TLR there too.
Grit != flat out sucking.
yeah that's totally the same thing
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 3, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't post in the above thread, but against my better judgment I will post here.
The problem i see is that what is being said about Jaime isn’t just qualitative or subjective, it’s that is is retrodicted. Seems like Jaime did badly on the road…FIP and xFIP tell us that it was luck. They can also tell us what we might expect in the future. Subjective narratives like this one are worthless because they are non-predictive and unfalsifiable: If Jaime pitches badly, well he just has bad makeup. If Jaime pitches well, he stepped up and overcame his anxiety. Never mind that those two outcomes can describe basically ANY game performance in baseball on any given day.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
thanks for the thoughtful reply
I think this topic is interesting and it seems like everybody divides it into Joe Morgan vs. Voros McCracken, and IMHO it doesn’t need to be that way.
Subjective narratives don’t have to be all equally wrong. If you’ve worked closely and travelled with Jaime Garcia, the human being, for six months a year for a couple of years. When we’re talking about Garcia, we’re talking about a guy that none of us have met and certainly are not going to get to know, the way we know the people around us. He’s just a name on the screen for us, pixels on the TV. For TLR & Duncan, not so much. So maybe it’s unfalsifiable in the Karl Popper sense, but then maybe that kind of quasi-scientific certainty doesn’t really exist in predicting something inherently unpredictable.
What I’m trying to say is it’s important to blend the information that tools like FIP & xFIP give you with the knowledge that Garcia doesn’t like the shitter in the visitors’ clubhouse in Philly or whatever. Maybe he’s been unlucky on the road; maybe there actually is something systematic about it. The regular season is the time to allow him time for his #s to regress; in the playoffs, the manager has to align his players in the configuration he believes (rightly or wrongly) gives the team the best chance to succeed. If that means Garcia has to pitch at home, so be it. Garcia himself apparently believes it. It’s not like he’d be the first player to perform better at home. Maybe the Garcia/road stuff is strictly illusory; a playoff game is not the ideal time to hope for the best.
Your point re: retrodiction (postdiction?) is well taken. Creating narratives after the fact is not necessarily a great idea, but at the same time you have to be able to learn from your mistakes too.
The absolutist POV that says all intuitions/narratives/whatever are all automatically, equally, inherently bullshit is bound to be surprised occasionally. The idea is to anticipate those surprises somehow and either exploit or avoid them, which would be a major challenge for the programmer of a robot manager.
There’s no way injured Kirk Gibson should’ve homered off Eckersley. But he did. It shouldn’t be possible for the Cubs to have had such a long title drought. But they have. &c.
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
I'm afraid you misconstrue me.
I don’t say the narratives are bullshit every time: Often the narrative is in agreement with the stats- essentially every player is worse on the road than at home. The problem is that the combination of this fact along with some mediocre luck (and the narrative seems like it could be correct about Jaime and Colorado, where the split is much more pronounced and has a possible cause) means that Jaime is being pushed back in favor of a player who is worse than him even with the road jitters taken into account.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
torty just needed a bigger house
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
turtles in trouble
"No, it seems to me that Wednesday night isn’t what makes baseball great. It’s all the years you spend waiting for Wednesday night that makes baseball great."--Posnanski
Somebody posted a link the other day
about an article written that talked about the Cards being overshadowed by the national media and how their comeback was actually greater….i wanted to share that article but I can’t find it anymore
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 30, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
this one?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
video
FSMidwest FOX Sports Midwest
twitvid.com/KL154 – @dfreese23 very calm before game, shows off his @tortycraig hat for the cat
8 minutes ago
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
So Bob Loblaw is just a pun right?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
yey, new thread!!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
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"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
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