When Ryan Theriot Was A Shortstop: The Golden Age
by DanUpBaby on Sep 20, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
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Oftentimes a golden age isn't recognized as such until it ends. After the Bronze Age collapse Homer discovered in the conflicts of the Trojan War the patterns of heroes and gods—the foundations of new myths. After the middle ages the renaissance was devoted to a rediscovery of the beautiful roots of Western Civilization, taken for granted in their own time.
Yesterday, Ryan Theriot reminded us that a wonderful time was gone, gone forever—out of our hands permanently, lost in the stifling embrace of nostalgia, of hindsight, of memory. "When I was playing shortstop," he said, serving as his era's tragic spokesman, "we were in first place. I know that. It is what it is."
He speaks with the heavy weight of the reluctant survivor—fallen Adam, disgraced Fitzgerald. I want to share that burden with Ryan Theriot, and I want you to share it with me. So allow me to remind you of that golden age, lately past.
1. A division lead for the Cardinals. It is what it is.
2. Enormous box-office returns. Last weekend Hollywood was a shambles. The weekend's most popular 3D movie, The Lion King, originally made pre-Theriot, earned just $30 million; its car-based thriller, Drive, sputtered to $11 million; its remake, Straw Dogs, just $5 million.
Things were different in the summer, when Ryan Theriot was shortstop. 3D movies? Do you want Harry Potter ($378) or Transformers 3 ($351)? if you liked cars, you could have seen Cars 2 ($189) or Fast Five ($209). How about a remake of every Steven Spielberg movie at the same time? Super 8 made $127 million! Forget it, Hollywood—these returns, they are what they are.
3. A healthy professional basketball league. In June, while Ryan Theriot was starting at shortstop for the Cardinals, the NBA had what many consider to be its best finals ever, when Dirk Nowitzki and the Dallas Mavericks upset the Hated Miami Heat in six games. Labor relations have disintegrated since Rafael Furcal was installed; now it looks like the league might not even play this year.
Needless to say, it will be what it will be. Have fun in China, Wilson Chandler—I hope you won't miss Twitter.
4. Warmer weather. I hope you Rafael Furcal fans don't like waterparks—average temperatures in July are almost ten degrees higher than average temperatures in September. And it's only going to get worse if the Cardinals make the playoffs; October will probably be even nippier.
5. Uninterrupted national prosperity for owners of Netflix stock. Ryan Theriot's tenure at shortstop saw perhaps the strongest economy in American history for owners of Netflix stock, who saw NFLX stock prices rise more than 1000% from the moment Theriot was added to the Chicago Cubs' active roster in September of 2005.
Morning in America (for Netflix stock owners) (and Netflix users, once Roku came out.)
It is what it is. It was what it was.
It's weird to see such an ostensibly disappointing Cardinals team at 84-69, but the more I think about it the more I think this is right—this is the way these Cardinals have been disappointing all along. It's not that they're a terrible team, or even a just-average one; they've had great years from Matt Holliday and Lance Berkman, Albert Pujols looks more or less like the last down-season-Pujols we've seen. The pitching's good, the bullpen's young.
Now that the on-field underperformance is gone—they're two games over their Pythagorean record now—we can be disappointed a little more purely in the way the season's turned out. The win-now move has helped the Cardinals win now, but not enough to really justify it; the team's played well, but it seems, in hindsight, clearly worse than the Brewers.
The disappointment's not about the on-field product any more; I'm not even bothered by Tony La Russa's managerial style, though I realize I hold the minority opinion. The disappointment's about how the Cardinals continually undermine that on-field product. Now they're close enough that trading Brendan Ryan, who's led the Mariners in batter WAR, could be the difference-maker; now they're close enough that it seems absurd that Miguel Batista was in a position to make 26 appearances, or Ryan Franklin to blow four saves.
Mainly, though, now that the on-field underperformance has shown up less frequently I'm willing to forget about all of this for the rest of the season. There's not a lot of baseball left this year whether the Cardinals win the Wild Card or don't; if they don't have a plan for next year, well, I'll wait until I have to wait until next year to write another jeremiad about it.
Kyle Lohse just outpitched the best pitcher in the world. He did it decisively, with genuinely great peripherals; he did it dramatically, pitching around Nick Punto's defensive miscue extravaganza; and he did it with his bat, too, while he was at it. Let's stick with that for the day—it's what Ryan Theriot would have wanted.
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I like the Iliad mention, so allow me to go off on a tangent about it
The parallels are striking. Lance Berkman is clearly Ajax, whose steady hugeness all season has kept the enemy at bay, much like the pike-wielding son of Telamon who held off the Trojans almost single-handed when they beat the Achaeans all the way back to their ships. Matt Holliday is Diomedes, the second best fighter in the Greek’s camp, who is admired by all and does not commit hubris. Clearly Pujols is Achilles, who sits out the beginning of the war. Allen Craig’s Patroclus moment came when he donned Achilles’ armor, so to speak, putting up a Pujolsian line of .333/.412/.600 in the month of June before falling on the field to injury. It was June when Pujols, perhaps in anger over his teammate’s tragic fall, stormed back onto the field with a June line of .317/.419/.778. Not even a broken bone could stop him. He’s been crushing everything before him since.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 33 recs
one day I will find your FF.net account
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
awesome
I can’t remember the last time I logged in to comment but your Iliad analysis deserved some praise so I had to join in. I definitely think you are on to something.
Who is Hector? Who is the tragically doomed hero that we will sort of feel bad about keeping out of the post season? Is it the aged Chipper Jones who knows that the sun is setting on his career and his beloved Troy-like Braves – an organization with a glorious, but except for 95, bridesmaidish reputation? Or could it even be Prince Fielder, a noble warrior who’s end with the Brewers is also known to him? and he knows this is his city’s last stand.
I’m content with it being either one.
And looking to the future, what player from this trojan team will sail off to a frontier and establish a new dynasty? And looking to the far future, Is modern Greece’s economic collapse telling us that the Cardinals will some day implode and upset the foundations of the entire National League? Yikes.
by abothecardinal on Sep 20, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am thinking about it
Chipper Jones would be a good choice for Hector. Maybe Prince Fielder is Aeneas. Maybe he’ll be signed by the Pirates, who nobly fought and seemed like they could possibly contend (with some ridiculous aid from the gods) but fell pretty spectacularly in the end.
It’s hard to pin one team down as Troy, that’s the problem with my analogy… maybe Troy will have to be our collective National League foes.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Does that mean that next season is the Oddyssey?
Do we have to play with beeswax in our ears?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right after posting this I realized how appropriate the Holliday
Moth ear pic would be. If only you could post pics on mobile
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 20, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So Berkman will kill himself when he and Holliday fight over who gets to wear
Pujols’ wrist bands after Albert “dies” (leaves), which magically helped Albert recover so quickly from that wirst injury, because, even tho Berkman has had the better year, Holliday’s eloquence will win him the day, and the wrist bands? (This means Holliday is Odysseus, not Diomedes).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
*wirst=wrist
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 20, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually had Carpenter as Odysseus
Resourceful Carpenter is also known as “hot-headed”, “much-enduring” and “man of pain”. Also, this is from Wikipedia:
The etymology of the name is contested, according to one view, the name Odysseus derives from the verb odussomai (ὀδύσσομαι), meaning “to be wroth against’, ’hate”, suggesting that the name could be rendered as “the one who is wrathful/hated”.
Clearly with his injury history, Carpenter has endured much at the fickle hands of the baseball gods. Also, having just signed an extension, the next phase of his career should see him winding down and retiring to family life.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
hasn't carpenter already spent his years wandering?
maybe it’s colby? maybe 10 years from now, colby returns to be a cardinal?
home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus
I tried to fit Colby in somehow but kept having timeline issues.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I find need to create another account just to rec this again.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
And while bobo's post was excellent,
Mr. UpBaby did some excellent work just above it.
Just sayin’, y’all.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No, nothing like that.
I was just looking for the rec button about half way through his post, is all.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
In this scenario Albert dies...
I’m not sure I like how that turns out… But this is an outstanding comment, which I gladly rec’d.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 20, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
let's just call it "rebooted"
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This leaves us with the important question
of whether tonight’s pitcher is Great Ejax or Lesser Ejax.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
What a night
Couple Lohse outpitching Halladay with Chipper Jones’s error followed by Omar Infante’s game-winning homer. What are the odds?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
apparently somewhere around 1 in 8
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I don't know enough about oddsmaking
but Kimbrel doesn’t give up a lot of homers and Infante doesn’t hit a lot of homers. Kimbrel has faced 292 batters and given up 2 homers this season entering last night’s game. Omar Infante had hit 5 home runs in 606 PAs this season before last night. So, going by rates, there’s approximately a 1 in 121 chance Infante homers in a given PA and about a 1 in 146 chance that Kimbrel surrenders a homer in a given PA. And yet Infante homered off of Kimbrel last night to win the game for the Marlins.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Maybe scoot was talking about playoff odds?
Baseball Prospectus has us at 16.4%, which is actually larger than one in eight.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I was referencing fang's "1 in 8" post below
sorry for the confusion.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
My initial comment was confusing.
I meant it more as “What are the chances that, on the same day of the season, Lohse would pitch better than Halladay and Kimbrel would surrender a game-deciding homer to Infante?”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh, I got what you were saying
I was just trying to be cute and it caused a lot of confusion.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
*All Star Omar Infante
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
damn I can't find video
of Chipper’s misplay anywhere.
He was totally out to sea. Had no idea where it was.
I don’t doubt that he lost it in the lights.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
When Ryan Theriot was SS
Chipper could find the ball that was hit to him
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang, that's the home run
maybe I’ll try the condensed game.
didn't the last middle infielder who said something like that
go by the name of Phillips?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
REMEMBER GOOGLE PLUS?!?!?!?
Oh, those truly were the salad day(s).
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
I still huddle...
but that’s it.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
You might want to check out the recent update
To say this is a substantial update is not doing the update enough justice
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you were saying the cia and google had merged somehow
why the f is corey patterson on this team?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I still use it every day
why the f is corey patterson on this team?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to have a virtual social life since I don't have a real one
why the f is corey patterson on this team?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
re: Netflix
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9PRS58G2.htm
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What a performance by Loshe.
Scoreboard only has two, but I counted at least 3 watching the condensed game, and so many errant throws and balls that could have been recorded as outs that it could have been a really, really bad night.
Furcal looked awful throwing at short, and can’t catch soft tosses into his glove, apparently. Descalso had no idea what he was doing at third (though at least he can get it across the diamond). And Punto, well, how sad is it that he’s apparently a defensive upgrade at second?
Stilll, all those guys contributed with the bats, and we eeked one out. I’ll take it, here’s hoping we can figure out our defensive struggles against these bottom feeder this week. Don’t want to give them any hope.
KYLE M'FING LOHSE
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
indeed
why the f is corey patterson on this team?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no, i did
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
i'm pretty sure i remember your sarcastic lohse support coming after mine
lohse couldn’t buy a supporter outside me and chitown october 2010
if that's accurate, then fine
from this day forward until spring training
i would assume Lohse dominating in 2011 as a given
by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 7:34 PM CST
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
i remember the context
it was sarcastic. something like “i’m just going to pretend that lohse will be good next season because i can’t stand the thought that he will suck”
but lohse could rebound to the 3 WAR form he had before surgery
“Moneyball: It’s kind of like communism.”
twatter
by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2010 8:29 PM CDT
but the chances of us having 5 pitchers
who are clearly better than lohse can be without having to sign any of them for more than league minimum are non-existent
“Moneyball: It’s kind of like communism.”
twatter
by prophetjohn on Sep 30, 2010 8:24 PM CDT
tell him to pitch more innings next year at your Kyle Lohse motivational seminar this coming offseason.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
How I Learned to Stop Bitching and Love the Motocross Surgery
The Story of Kyle Lohse
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If 6 1/4 innings a start is good enough for you, fine.
But I want 7!
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Roughly
6.05 per start.
1st: Phillies 6.64
9th: St. Louis: 6.17
30th: Baltimore: 5.45
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Cards'd probably be a little bit higher
if not for some of the weird early hooks Tony’s pulled on Lohse and Carp.
I wonder if Miguel Batista's "start" factors in.
I’m sure it does.
However, think of the early hooks that needed to happen but didn’t (e.g. Garcia)
Overall, it probably evened out.
Still not a werewolf.
I have been a Lohse believer all year albiet not a vocal one
I won him in the live draft on VEB Fantasy Baseball while others were making fun of me for doing so
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Sep 20, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe this was a little slow reply but thought it would at least get a "you were a visionary" type reply
Draft was like late March and I had planned my selection for quite some time
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Sep 20, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been a Lohse supporter even before that wooooooo
why the f is corey patterson on this team?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
why the f is corey patterson on this team?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and there can be defensive slumps.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A lot of infielders never would have gotten to those balls
(I apologize if this black-hulled meme ship has already sailed, I wasn’t able to hang out much in the game thread)
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
It's ok Matty,
a lot of posters wouldn’t make it to that game thread. We’re not going to hold it against you that you weren’t able to make it.
Señor Up Baby
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
The minute I woke up today
I fapped to Infante’s home run
by Fred Stochl on Sep 20, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
........all-star?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Slightly OT: Congrats to Mariano Rivera
I’ve never really liked the Yankees, but I’ve always liked him. Quite an accomplishment, and put together with the Birds/Phillies game and the Fish/Braves outcome, quite a night for baseball.
I think there's an outside chance that he gets to 900 saves
I mean, what’s to stop him from continuing to throw his one pitch every other game for an inning until he’s 50 years old?
Since becoming the Yankee closer in 1997, he’s average 40 saves a year. He will be 42 in November. If he pitches 8 more years and averages 40 saves a year, that’s 320 more saves — which would put him over 900.
That would join Rose’s 4256, Cy’s 511, Ryan’s 5714, and DiMaggio’s 56 as nearly unbreakable records.
Rivera is signed through next season and doesn’t seem to be slowing down at all, so I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Eventually, wouldn't that one pitch do about 80 mph
and get hammered?
It's only around 90 now and no one has been able to dip anything with it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Nolan Ryan threw 91-92 and touched 94-95
until his 46th birthday. Randy Johnson pitched well into his 40’s and didn’t lose his velocity. These are guys who were throwing multiple innings as well and weren’t one pitch guys (although both were two pitch guys basically).
There’s a significant chance that he could throw 88-90 with his cutter and still completely stymie hitters with it. It’s the single most un-hittable pitch in baseball history.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
He'll probably get injured
He is a pitcher after all.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 20, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Playoff Chances
Baseball Prospectus: 16.4%
Cool Standings: 17.7%
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
According to Cool Standings,
the odds were at 17.2% on August 18.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
1 in 8!
i put my cardinals shirt on today to go to class. first time i’ve worn it since going to a game labor day weekend. the whole playoff race thing is officially on.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
so does that mean you are requesting a name change
to stlcardinalsfairweatherfang?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
no, i've never stopped watching, just considered the season over.
and i stop wearing cardinals stuff when i consider the season over in respect for the rams. idk, i’m weird.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I probably mention this too often,
but getting the other team’s feed and the various radio feeds have easily made MLB.tv worth it. I’ve watched maybe 10 games with the Cards’ TV guys this season.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you in the St. Louis media market?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah. I always have to use a proxy.
Still worth it, even if I curse Selig every time I have to chase down a new proxy.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i still think dan/rick are better than half of the local guys around the country.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I glad to live in a world
where you can continue to enjoy Dan and Rick, while I’m able to watch baseball without them.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
With television broadcasts,
I often wonder how good or bad the play-by-play announcer would be with a different analyst. Al Hrabosky is so horrendous that I feel he drags down every broadcast he is involved in.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I agree with this,
but I still don’t think Rick is that great. A better color guy would certainly help, but I’d still probably go with the other feed anyway.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't rehash
the olden days nearly as much or annoyingly.
by WyoCardsFan on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe,
but I don’t think he’s nearly as arrogant about it and doesn’t use as much “Back in my day… player’s weren’t such pussies” type talk that Al does.
by WyoCardsFan on Sep 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was Van Slyke.
Whenever I hear him on 101, the crux of what he’s saying is that old players (read: him) would have done much better and tried harder and generally been aweome-er than current players. He seems pretty cranky about it, too.
no, Rick uses the "my very good friends who are into stats but I just have to disagree with them."
big smile like he imagines the audience agrees with how gosh darned ridiculous that was! ha ha ha!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think the other feed is better because neither Rooney nor Shannon is the "color guy"
even though Shannon provides a lot of color to the broadcast. I also feel that Shannon, as a former position player, offers a lot more insight than former relievers and has many better stories than Hrabosky and Horton.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I do think it's cool to have a former player in there
Even Al and Joe Morgan can occasionally provide something that I would not be aware of, since they were actually professional baseball players. Shannon is a fun mix of “pro” and color guy.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
and insight on cell phones not having letters on the numbers
Mike Shannon, ladies and gentlemen
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Shannon's like that bizarre, drunken uncle everyone has.
He’s a hoot and a half with the stories and the random diatribes, but you don’t want to be left alone with him for hours on end or you’ll go insane.
That's why we have Rooney.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
John Rooney:
Sacrificing His Sanity to Shannon so We Don’t Have To.
by dronemc on Sep 20, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I LOVE our radio team.
Shannon is hilarious and I think John Rooney is a great counterpart.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Rick and Al are worse than the sum of their parts.
Dan and Rick is the best combo, clearly.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
The best combo, IMHO,
is Shannon and Rooney on the radio and the television on mute.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I do this also.
I’ve been listening to Ueker for Brewers games too.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, that's true
I meant “the best combo realistically available if you are forced to listen to the Fox Sports Midwest feed”
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I agree.
Hrabosky has jumped the shark.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I hear Vince Coleman is looking for work.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
me too.
he’s brought down by his counterparts
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
Dan hasn't been in the booth much this season, has he?
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been in 2/3's of them.
the three broadcasters all got 2/3’s of the games.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i do too.
i think dan gets a lot of unwarranted flak in this town for both his DUI and his color commentators.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Former Cardinals play-by-play guy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
oh god no.
way too high school-ish for me.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the Reds and the Padres
radio guys are also terrible. There was an AL group that I particularly liked… the Rays I think?
by WyoCardsFan on Sep 20, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
the pirates tv guys are awful.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
fully agree.
And the Reds announcers are annoying, of course.
I rather enjoy SF’s announcers.
Dan is way too pessimistic and sulky sometimes. Al needs to be done. Ricky at least has fewer personal (also, hypocritical and nonsensical) biases against players than Al.
i used to like thom brennaman.
then he started broadcasting reds games.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll still take Dan over Rick
Though you’re right:
Dan: The cardinals have grounded into the most double-plays in the NL this year, 2-2 pitch to Pujols, ANNNND a double-play ball, 6, 4, 3, it’s another double-play.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't stand the White Sox guy
I try not to pass up opportunities to mention that.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
as a Chicagoan and non-Sox fan
he fascinates me. He and Steve Stone are the most knowledgeable pair of Debbie Downers ever.
Just put the game on
and pop in an old Grateful Dead concert. Next you thing you know, you’re knee deep in a 20 minute Truckin’ and the Cards are cruising. Who needs play by play guys anyway?
how did the cardinals do when you put on your cardinals shirt
if they lost, you must burn it.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Great timing by the Unicorn.
Here’s some BJ Rains to shift folks’ attention back to the playoff hunt:
Cardinals manager Tony La Russa looked up at the Rams-Giants football game on his TV Monday night, wondering what all the cheers were about.
Speaking to the media following the Cardinals’ 4-3 win over the Phillies in Philadelphia, La Russa was confused when he heard his players yelling and cheering from the other room despite nothing going on in the football game.
Seconds later, he found out why.
With several players watching on clubhouse televisions, the Marlins’ Omar Infante launched a two-out, two-run walkoff home run off Atlanta closer Craig Kimbrel to hand the Braves a devastating 6-5 loss.
Combined with the Cardinals’ win over two-time Cy Young Award winner Roy Halladay, La Russa & Co. had reason to celebrate. They suddenly found themselves just 2 ½ games back in the National League Wild Card race.
“This is what the pennant race is all about,” La Russa told reporters on the FOX Sports Midwest postgame show. "This is what you try to sell in spring training. This is the fun of it. We’re going to have a happy flight.
“That’s part of the fun of, being in contention in September.”
After hearing the news, La Russa sported his biggest smile of the season before yelling out to his players, “Turn on the Rams game.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 20, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
dammit, reply fail.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Here ya go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFYU5qrc1do
Let's Go Yadi
by SHUCardinal on Sep 20, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
TURN ON THE RAMS GAME
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Sep 20, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome.
TURN ON THE RAMS GAME
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
this is freaking great.
if we somehow win the wild card and make noise in the playoffs that’s going to be the moment that started it all.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't appreciate this article
It has to be from April Fool’s Day, as TLR is never happy.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN showed the video of TLR while showing the highlight of the walkoff.
it was awesome.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i appreciate the honesty
“It’s always about money,” Berkman said. “No matter what people say, it’s always about the money.”
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by IHeartBoog on Sep 20, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
missed it again
morning SC does have the cheering clip, this time with fancy inset editing so you don’t have to look too closely at TLR’s rictus smile.
so around the half-hour.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
When Ryan Theriot was playing shortstop
the Cardinals’ shortstop was a black hole of suck. The end.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
f'n....
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 20, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
why am i the first person to rec this comment?
home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus
As good as Bobo and Mr. UpBaby were, this wins the thread for me.
Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?
This has been up an hour and only tom and I have rec'd it?
I’m losing my faith in VEB.
Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?
You're just riding coat-tails here, but I'll rec anyway.
Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?
it's almost like
you’re stealing someone elses material and taking credit for it
that is a terrible thing to do, which should not be allowed on my viva el birdos. suffice to say, i am appalled
by prophetjohn on Sep 20, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Pregnancy talk time
So, Mrs. Scoot and I are now a little over 7 weeks away from our due date. She went in to see her Doctor this morning and he was out sick. She hasn’t seen her Doctor in 11 weeks now as he has either been out sick or in delivery for each of her previous appointments. We are at the point now where she will be going in every other week and soon every week until the baby is here and Mrs. Scoot and I are very concerned with not seeing the actual Doctor for almost 3 months now.
So, Mrs. Scoot requested a Doctor change and is set to see a new, younger Doctor in the same practice at 11 today. Mrs. Scoot is agonizing over the decision since she really likes her first Doctor, but it doesn’t matter if she never gets to see him, right? Does anyone have suggestions/experience in such dilemmas?
I suggested that, if she doesn’t like the new Doctor and wants to go back to the old one, she could always tell them she wants to switch back and was just upset earlier.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Is this a clinic with multiple Drs?
Our hospital here has one like that and Mrs.Forsch went to whomever was available to see her but had the one Dr she really liked as her go-to guy. He had instructions that if anything were to happen then they call him at anytime. This, evidently, wasn’t an odd practice.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
That's similar to the group Mrs. Dronemc and I used.
Of course, her doctor had to take a sabbatical in month 7 of the pregnancy, so she got routed to another doctor in the practice as her “primary.”
it is similar
but apparently each patient is assigned to one Dr and if the Dr is out that day, you get stuck with a nurse practitioner.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
hmmm. I'd say your suggestion is the best route then.
at less than two months, I wouldn’t want a Dr that has a habit of not being there, no matter how good the NP is.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
This:
I suggested that, if she doesn’t like the new Doctor and wants to go back to the old one, she could always tell them she wants to switch back and was just upset earlier.
Keep in mind that the check-ups until delivery are pretty standard, and the person who gives them isn’t that important (it’s just important that they get done), while the person who ends up delivering matters HUGELY. You need to trust that person.
Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?
by a fink on Sep 20, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
While this is true
My wife didn’t see her regular Dr on the Monday before birth when she went in for cramping. The Dr she did see ordered some bloodwork that didn’t get rushed. By friday we were in the Critical Care unit in StL. Wasn’t her regular Dr’s fault, it just wasn’t his day to be at that clinic. Easy to fall thru the cracks without a primary that can see you almost everytime you come in.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
but keep in mind
you often can’t pick when you deliver (c-section, the exception) When the baby decides to pop out, you may again just end up with the next available doctor.
point is, regardless of who your doctor is, each clinic has a pool of docs, and you may end up with the on-call doc.
We went to a group of 4 docs, and got to know them all throughout the process. We were really happy with how it worked out.
Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?
My wife loved our OB/GYN who delivered our first child
he resembled John Oates, except that he was about 3 inches shorter than Oates, and had a voice like frog. A year after he delivered our daughter, he became head of obstetrics at Boulder Community Hospital. A year after that, he died in a plane crash after piloting his Cessna into a field. For our second child, we had a woman, who we did not like as much, and who, after showing up when we first got to the hospital when my wife went into labor, then disappeared for the next 3 hours, during which time the nurses delivered our son.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 20, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
Not one bit. Daryl Hall is a fairly tall, blond, pale white dude. This doc was about as tall as our first obstetrician (5’4"?), dark hair, and of Asian descent, so her skin’s darker than Hall’s.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 20, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Our OB/GYN did sort of resemble Daryl Hall, and had a really bad horse-riding accident a month prior to due date
what is it with doctors and risky behavior?
by peppermartin on Sep 20, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Mrs. Scoot have an actual medical problem?
If not, the doctor is liable to do more harm than good.
only if you consider being 33.5 weeks pregnant a "medical problem"
she wants to make sure that we are on the same page with the MD about things like Pitocin and episiotomies and things like that. Hard to ask them those types of questions when they aren’t around.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 20, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
my wife is an OB nurse… if there’s not an underlying complication to the pregnancy, you gotta be careful with the docs selling you unnecessary procedures. They’re worse than your local aamco transmission repair shop.
that's what I loved about the one my wife picked as her primary
the guy doesn’t mess around. He just tells you what you need to know. that and he scheduled us 4D scans every time we came in and we didn’t have to pay for them. He was really pissed when they didn’t get the test results back when they were supposed and then found out she was sick. I can deal with a dr. like that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what you're doing. It's all about being on the same page so they don't do what guayzimi is talking about.
Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?
It can be bad...
women that show up in the evening/prior to dinnertime at my wife’s old hospital get wheeled directly to the operating room.
That's crazy. I guess it's like any important profession. There are superheroes and bums.
Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?
There's often not enough oversight...
the docs are kings of the castle… and they spend their entire careers telling themselves that the things they get paid to do are useful and right (which is mostly true).
If I may
I would add a bit. According to the doctors I know who have been around (mostly my mom who is a pediatrician) obstetrics, for a long time, was quite a good-old-boy macho specialty. It might seem counter-intuitive since it’s about serving mostly women and little babies, but it’s also risky, not unlike surgery. There was kind of a gung-ho aspect to it for a long time. Things have changed a lot though.
In fact, she has told stories of being a resident and seeing this or that OB literally walking out of the room where he was working with a patient and then proceeding to make fun of said patient the next minute with the other doctors and tell sexist jokes. She chose her OB because she worked with him and was amazed how level-headed and nice he was despite the fact that he was an obstetrician.
It’s a crazy world!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
that's messed up
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
which is why she was frustrated
I talked to her after the appointment with the new MD. She is new to the practice. Mrs. Scoot didn’t exude confidence in her over the phone. She was happy with getting to sit down with her and have her questions answered though. She did find out the old MD was only scheduled to be in the clinic one day this week. Combine that with this MD being new to the practice and I think I see what the problem is. He is being phased out getting ready to retire and we are in the middle of it a bit.
He was an extremely nice guy and very easy to talk to, but if he is only in the clinic once a week and is sick on the day he’s supposed to be there, I’m not sure I can count on him making it to the delivery.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I know, right?
I mean, I’ve got mine in check. Barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen where she belongs.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 20, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here lies scoot
He was a good commenter. He gave good information about physiological points of discussion and had a strong understanding of this game of based balls. We will miss him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I always heard that he was a master baiter.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
She is pregnant
She can do whatever she wants. No doctor will question her. If he does, the nurses will smack him.
what are the odds she goes into labor during business hours?
if it’s not during the day, then she’ll get whichever doctor is on call. Unless she’s having a scheduled c-section or some other specific detail.
(I haven’t read any further comments to know if this has been said or disputed)
That's part of the rub too
we are due on the 10th of November and want to know the physician’s stance on induction. If we make it to the 10th, we’d like to be induced sometime on the 10th in preparation for having the baby on 11/11/11. The old one said he didn’t like to go past 40 weeks at all. The new one says she doesn’t like to let them go past 41 weeks. Guess we’ll find out more about that as it gets here.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm not sure what most OBGYN's stance/practice is on letting you pick a day
11/11/11 seems too good to be true. Even if the little guy/girl makes it until then, I would think mrs scoot would have to be at some sort of risk to induce at only one day past the due date. I’m not a doctor, however.
I did just reserve a hotel room at a Holiday Inn Express, though, so check back with me October 16th, and I might be qualified to issue an opinion.
Hospitals will usually let you induce 7 days before your due date.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
yeah, our sister in law was just induced about a week early
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Ours just said "What day do you want it to happen?".
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That answer will vary
depending on the size of your child. They’re not gonna sweat it if you’re projected to have a 7 pound baby. They will sweat it if you’re going to have a 10 pound baby.
They expected me to have a 9 lb baby.
She came out 6.5 lbs, 2 oz smaller than her projected size 4 weeks earlier. Those late projections can be off a pound in either direction.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
same size as sister in laws baby
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Well if they're off by a pound
it does’nt explain you! Heh. Ours was right on. But yeah, at 9 pounds they won’t want you to go long, but they’ll wait a few days if you want or something like that.
She was estimated at 6 lbs 10 oz (5lbs 10 oz to7lbs 10 oz) at 35.5 weeks.
They figure babies gain up to two lbs in last four weeks. I had 4.5 weeks to go, pushing me to a 9+ lb baby if I’m in the middle to upper end of that estimate. Obviously the baby was not that big! Made for an easy delivery.
Though I will never be induced again unless it’s necessary. I had a bad reaction to being induced and I still haven’t completely gotten rid of the swelling, especially in my feet and ankles.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
ours was estimated at 4lb 12oz at 36 weeks the day before she had him.
he came out 3lb12. They were just getting ready to induce when he decided he wanted out.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife was induced both times
I read magazines for 12 freaking hours bored out of my skull until labor finally started.
You poor, poor thing.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Sep 20, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
clearly, standard velociraptor expectancy measures need to be revised
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Sep 20, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy shit man. That is actually really sad.
by mick311 on Sep 20, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pujols Watch
Currently at: .299 BA, 96 RBI, .389 wOBA
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I haven't been around lately, did anything interesting happen while I was gone?
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I discovered a new band!
Well, new to me anyway.
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by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
congrats!
I just hope it’s not the beatles.
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Tyler Greene got a PA and nearly hit a home run.
Ryan Theriot commented that the Cardinals were a first-place team when he was their everyday shortstop, which prompted someone (Rui?) to start the hashtag #TheriotLogic, which DanUp delved into in the main post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Tyler Greene!!!
and that same logic works for Tyler Greene on the roster too!
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Overflowing optimism-
who’s on the playoff roster? How does the rotation look and the back end of bullpen?
Best not to jinx anything.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We're at 18% chance in winning the wild card
Until that turns into 50%, I am considering the Cardinals to have a boring October
Some one at Talking Chop
implored the mods to take down a playoff roster fanpost, because they’ve been in a tailspin since it was posted.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you like .gifs
there are like 20 of em in their current front page post. people are overreacting a bit.
A mod-anointed rant thread is pretty cool, though.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
There is some funny stuff in there.
The dog taking the sled had me rolling.
FREE TYLER GREENE!
FIRE TLR!
where?
i don’t see them
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
In the comments section
I almost threw up from the Community Troy one. Motion Sickness
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
those were great.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yep. last day of the season IF we're in first place with a 1 1/2 game lead.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
WC first place, that is.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Magic Numbers
For the Wild Card, the Cards’ magic number is 12.
For the NL Central title, the Brewers’ magic number is 4.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
God, that magic number is just scary to look at.
Any combo of Cards wins plus braves losses totaling 12 or more, when the total number remaining of possible Cards wins and Braves losses is 17.
Yeah, we are still one HELL of a long shot.
Only 2 back in the loss column!
In all honesty, does the proposition of the Cards going 7-2 against the Mets, Cubs, and Astros and the Braves going 4-5 against the Marlins, Nationals, and Phillies sound that farfetched?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
basically
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 20, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Braves' magic number
for the Wild Card is 7.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
At least 9 of the 17...
are under our control.
"Progress always involves risk; you can't steal second base and keep your foot on first base." - Frederick Wilcox
Chipper needs to be careful.
I’m not sure where this would fit into the Iliad.
“Yeah, that’s kind of the way we feel. You make your own luck. At some point we’ve got to go out and give ourselves some margin for error. I mean, we’ve played so many close games this year. It’s like… Tonight was a little different. We fell behind, then we fought to get back, took advantage of some of their mistakes. You felt like tonight was going to be our night to win one maybe we should have lost. One strike away and you lose a ground ball in the lights. That makes you think that the baseball gods have been on our side for 154 games, and now they’re turning their back on us.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
In case you are not currently obsessed about this:
Games left St. Louis (current H2H record):
3 vs New York (1-2)
3 vs Chicago (8-4)
3 at Houston (8-4)
Games left Atlanta (current H2H record):
2 at Florida (11-5)
off day
3 at Washington (8-7)
3 vs Philadelphia (6-9)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Atlanta has played one more game than St. Louis or San Francisco.
None of the teams have rainouts that need to be made up.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Two back in the loss column
Thursday will be the Braves’ off day. Will could pick up the half game with a win over the Mets that night.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
Games left San Francisco (current H2H record):
3 at Los Angeles (8-7)
3 at Arizona (9-6)
3 vs Colorado (11-4)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Well LA hasn't been all that bad lately and
Always wanna beat SF. The Giants prob can’t lose more than one just as we prob can’t lose more than two, and in the event SF sweeps LA, ARZ would still have a reason to play SF tough and try to win the series and clinch the division. SFs schedule is by far the toughest.
by mick311 on Sep 20, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i am surprised that SF has a winning record against all of their division opponents, yet are 5 games out of 1st place
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just got some awesome seats for the NLDS.
too bad theres no chance the dbacks play the cardinals
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
I'm hoping for a Brewers/Cardinals NLCS
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be so incredible
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
a note about the d-backs
they are on pace to win 94 games…they won 65 games last year
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
Thats a pretty impressive improvement
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 20, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And a big part of it
is for everyone in your division to suck balls for at least 2 months, if not the whole season. The D-Backs are 6 full games over their Pythag record, which indicates to me that they haven’t been awesome, everyone else has been shitty.
I mean, San Diego, Colorado, L.A. and San Fran are all on pace to be 5 or more games worse than they were last year.
D-Backs Division Record 2011: 39-27 (with 6 games left against LAD and SFO)
D-Backs Division Record 2010: 27-45
That’s at least a 12 game swing (and likely 14+) in the win column, just in their division!
In inter-league, they got the Royals and A’s instead of the Yankees and Red Sox — that’s 5 more wins. So now we’re up to 17+. They got extra games against the Reds, Marlins, and Astros this year due to the unbalanced schedule, which netted them probably 5-6 more wins. So 22+ if I’m being generous.
So, their division imploding and a nicer schedule of unbalanced NL games along with weaker interleague opponents could have netted them a 22 win swing, which would have made them an 87 win team last year…..which is 2 fewer wins than they have right now.
I’m not saying they haven’t been better. I am saying that everyone else, including the MLB scheduling official, has helped them out a lot.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
are they clinched yet?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
magic number is 4
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
no, the giants are being annoying right now.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, if the Cards can pull this off
Then you may get to cheer for the Dbacks against the Brewers.
by mick311 on Sep 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So no one has called me out on it yet
but I guess I have to believe in a god now. Any suggestions?
by purple_haze on Sep 20, 2011 12:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My suggestion would be Kord, god of Strength.
His temples are often like feasthalls and his supplicants often engage in wrestling and other tests of might as a means of worship.
by dronemc on Sep 20, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Was always partial to Heironeous, myself.
But that works too.
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. Heironeous was always "Hextor this," and "Hextor that."
Deal with your family problems on your own time, dude. Kord’s just much more even laid back about the little stuff.
Batman
He recommends you swear to him
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Flying Spaghetti Monster
They have a church and everything
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 20, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't shiva the god of cocksmanship?
home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus
Crom
Valor pleases him. Crom laughs at your four winds. He laughs from his mountain.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Albert, what is best in life?
To crush the baseballs. See them driven out of the park. And hear the lamentations of the Reds fans.
fink taught me otherwise.
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Still not a werewolf.
all i make out is
84 111 32 99 114 117 115 104 32 116 104 … are we painting by numbers, or is this on the test?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Hint
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Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
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Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
by mysterui on Sep 20, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh great
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Still not a werewolf.
You bastards all have fun with this thing I started when I'm not here.
Buncha jerks.
Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Shortstop and Winning Percentage
Cardinals’ Win % Pre-Furcal Trade: .527
Cardinals’ Win % Post-Furcal Trade: .600
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It has been so refreshing to see a SS that can
Play great defense and provide offense as well. I really hope we bring him back next year.
by mick311 on Sep 20, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
also
furcal: 1.2 fWAR in 192 PA
theriot: .5 fWAR in 465 PA
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
when theriot was shortstop, we were in first place.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And Quadaffi still ruled Libya!
#FireTLR
by The Continental on Sep 20, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and harold camping was relevant!
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
what is the difference between
fWAR and WAR? Is that fielding WAR?
fangraphs WAR
versus baseball-reference WAR
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
My understanding is that
WAR is simply the name of the statistic globally, while fWAR is fangraphs WAR, as distinguished from bWAR, which is baseball reference war.
and don't forget
gWAR!
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Sep 20, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
BAR
In my office, myself and a co-worker established BAR. Boobs above replacement.
by paposse on Sep 20, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh for god sake I'm tired of new stats
Wasn’t Hotness Above Average good enough for your? Or the overarching Babe-itude value from the 90s?
by sdrone on Sep 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Back in my day all we had was padding average
And we made do just fine!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is going to get into some weird statutory area so I think I will not try to define that.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I didn't expect an answer
and I’m not sure “statutory” is the right word to use. “Chauvinism” definitely does though, but you’ve already gone there with this sub-thread….lol.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
is it league adjusted?
because there’s hot and then there’s work-hot (not to be confused with closing-time-hot)
by STLRegalia on Sep 20, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Closing time hot is simply a regressive scale
similar to the idea of subtracting half a WAR per year when figuring the value of a contract. Substitute “number of drinks purchased” for “value of contract.”
from the snakepit - sounds familiar
Listen. Understand.
Ian Kennedy is out there. He can’t be reasoned with, he can’t be bargained with…he doesn’t feel pity of remorse or fear… and he absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
given that he got that from terminator, i'm not sure what the term is
it’s meta!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this.
can we skip ahead to thursday night and then friday at 12:20, please?
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I found out that even after taking four days off in Novemeber and three days off in December
I will still have four days worth of PTO to use by the end of the year. So that made me happy.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
way to delete your own comment, btw
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
how dare he.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Sep 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
no wonder I couldn't rec it.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
now i can properly rec it.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
that's cheating
and not the good kind
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Meh. Whatever.
I had thought better of it but the unwashed masses can revel in my bitter Tuesday slop.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Late thought addendum
The irony of Fritz outing me on a Rui’s Mom joke should be lost on no one I hope.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I hope you sent him a nasty gram
Like you did to the last g guy that caught you deleting content.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Someone got a nasty gram
but I don’t really know what you are talking about.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
i almost commented on the inappropriateness
but i didn’t want any robot wrath
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
We all have our moments of weakness.
I can, at times, scrub mine. I’d never get mad at someone for telling me something is inappropriate though. I may disagree but there’s no wrath for saying that I stepped out of line. It happens. It will likely happen again the next time I answer an inane question while fuming in my cubicle.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
to be clear, i was joking about robot wrath
i found it offensive personally, but i didn’t say anything because i have read much worse on this site, and haven’t been offended. and anyway i’m doing enough of my own work-related fuming over here to consider that i may be overreacting.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
Ryan Theriot is such an idiot... hate that guy
brewcrew must be a lot over their pythag, eh?
why the f is corey patterson on this team?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
five games over, yes.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
groundbreaking analysis here...
even without adam wainwright, we are basically a 90 win team, yay for 2012
you forgot that albert pujols won't be here.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
From here forward,
I’m going to be a shameless rec-whore for all things Allen Craig.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I just KNOW
that the guy has an All Star year in his future. I can FEEEEEL it, brother!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
And not
one of those Derek Jeter charity-type All Star years either. I think he will hit damn near like Berkman did this year, and do it for $500,000 and do it for a three or four year stretch.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I'm a big fan of Allen Craig
but he hasn’t given us much reason to anticipate a batting eye as great as Berkman’s.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, but I think
he can be on the same level as Berkman, and throw in the fact the he’s just a smidge cheaper, younger, and a better fielder, and I think it’s time to let Berkman walk.
Can we offer Berk arbitration?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
It is better to have a Berk and a Craig
if you can afford it than to have no Berk at all.
i like craig but.....
But i don’t see him as a +.950 ops hitter, like Lance. Maybe .850, but i don’t think he can berk like berk can.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 20, 2011 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
.850 OPS for league minimum or .950 OPS for ~$12 million?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
.950 OPS for two years at ~12MM AAV
or 1.050 OPS for eight years at ~$25MM AAV?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think it's way more likely that Berk averages .950 for the next two
Than Albert averages 1.050 for the next eight
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
both if we can afford it
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 20, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder, what do the "no moves" 2012 Cards look like?
C – Molina (or, if you prefer “no moves” to mean not picking up Yadi’s option, Cruz?)
1B – Hamilton? Adams? Craig?
2B – Descalso
SS – Greene? Kozma?
3B – Freese
RF – Craig?
CF – Jay
LF – Holliday
Bench, Greene/Kozma, Hamilton/Adams, Chambers, Hill?, Robinson
Rotation – Waino, Carp, Jaime, Westy, Lohse
Pen – Motte, Salas, Sanchez, Rzep, Lynn, Boggs, ?
whatever happened to the ryan theriot
that was so ready to play where the team needed him and who endorsed the furcal acquisition?
oh that’s right, that was all fake
such an asshat
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
After being told by three different organizations within eighteen months that he is no longer a shortstop
you would think the guy would get the hint.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
hmmm
BJRains B.J. Rains
Albert Pujols has to be considered for MVP is the Cardinals pull this off, doesn’t he? He’s been vintage Pujols in the second half.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
Shouldn't BJ Rains be on Dancing with the Stars
Oh wait, that’s Chaz Bono….you know I get them confused sometimes.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tried to find that picture of B.J. Rains
you know, the one, and although google found it with “b.j. rains funny face” the rest of the results were very, very bad.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Because.
(Also, search with keyword VEB. We’re internet famous.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
He's handsome I'm telling you!
Just needs a little excersize.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 20, 2011 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
RiverRat is on his honeymoon.
Otherwise he would have hit this bat signal already.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Back in the states.
Also, atl security doesn’t appreciate my wearing of my cards jersey here.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Sep 20, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ugh
Worst airport in America
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Sep 20, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Exact quote
Heh, cards fan. Step over here. And off I went to the x ray machine. Thats profiling.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
LAX
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Heard somebody on ESPN briefly talk about this too
It’ll be interesting to see if this picks up momentum, a la Carlos Delgado 2008.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Any interest in John Lackey as a bounce-back candidate?
He can still get it up in the mid 90s… and the slider seems to be working. We could get him for a song and have him compete with Westbrook for the rotation, or make him a closer.
Are you talking about trading Lohse?
‘cause I’m not sure how we’d handle a 7 man rotation.
Well...
The rotation as of right now is:
Carp
Garcia
Lohse
Westbrook
Wainwright ?
Lynn
Scrabble
With Wainwright’s injury, Carp’s track record, and Westbrook’s ineffectivess, there could be room for another pitcher.
No chance Miller comes up before midseason and even then it's unlikely...
Better to keep him AAA until he can hit the ground running…
It's better that he be at Memphis when he blows out his elbow...
instead of repeating the Garcia mistake.
I wouldn't be surprised if they traded Westbrook in the offseason.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
by monkeysareblue on Sep 20, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Can they?
Does anyone know how 10-5 rights work? He was with the Tribe for at least 5, and if he doesn’t have 10 years of service, he’s got to be close. Or do those two pieces have to happen at the same time? I believe as of Jan of this year, he was sitting at 9.144 years.
But not another pitcher making eleventy billion a year
while coming off a season where his ERA is over 6.00 and closing in on 7.00. His 4.76 FIP and 4.68 xFIP are even replacement level or worse (since I’m sure replacement level has risen a bit this season due to lower run scoring environment). He’s not been unlucky, he’s just sucked.
He would be a good bounce back candidate if the Red Sox were to cut him. Me? I’d rather make a play and Chien-Ming Wang on a minor league deal, because he might actually take it.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
not in particular
I mean, he actually is a decent buy-low/bounceback candidate, but he’s owed > 45M over the next three seasons. I can’t imagine how a realistic trade could possibly be worked out that would satisfy all parties….especially if we’d like to keep Pujols.
If we’re going to throw a bunch of money at somebody, I think I’d prefer Jackson….he’s 5 years younger.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Giants Dodgers game tonight will be a good one.
Lincecum vs Kershaw.
Go Dodgers!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Cardinals!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Another golden age
“When I was the most common medical practice,” bloodletting said, serving as his era’s tragic spokesman, “high blood pressure was not killing millions of people a year . I know that. It is what it is.”
by redbirds34 on Sep 20, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
So what are the chances Adron Chambers takes Corey Patterson's spot on the playoff roster?
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
first rule of 2011 cardinals season: don't talk about the postseason roster until there is a postseason
second, no freaking way
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
This is less an assumption of making the playoffs as a desperate hope not to see CPat anymore.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
by monkeysareblue on Sep 20, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't...
unless CPat is injured…right?
"Progress always involves risk; you can't steal second base and keep your foot on first base." - Frederick Wilcox
zero
playoff rosters are based on active roster + DL as of August 31st. Punto, Lynn, Sanchez and Waino were on the DL. Punto might replace Patterson, but not Adron.
Actually, there is a chance if Holiday is DL’d and isn’t playing in the DS.
no dl in september
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Yes there is
teams just don’t add players to the DL because of expanded roster. Waino and Lynn are still on the DL and Punto was until Sept 6.
another way to look at the questions is an eligible position player would have to be injured and unable to play in the DS for Adron (or Tyler) to be added to the roster.
Not using the Dl screwed me for the playoffs in my fantasy league.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
Yes.
It was oddly thrown in at the end of the Berkman article in the Post-Dispatch:
Manager Tony La Russa voiced uncertainty about left fielder Matt Holliday’s availability for the six-game homestand that begins tonight against the New York Mets.
“Really, there’s no reason to push Matt,” said La Russa, who said he had not received a status report from the team’s training staff.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think TLR is fine having Craig for the end of the regular season
and would rather have a healthy Holliday should the club happen to make the playoffs than have Holliday rush back and aggravate his injury.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hmmm.
Jim Bowden was saying on MLB radio that he is out for the year, which I was pretty sure wasn’t necessarily true.
I thought some Post Dispatch article
said that right after the injury happened but I haven’t bothered to look it up.
Hummel reported that Holliday would be re-examined this week
and that there was a distinct possibility that Holliday would miss the rest of the season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Just a few minutes ago,
Matt Holliday cleared to swing a bat off a tee. Cardinals hoping he can be available by the weekend.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Nate_Grimm: Furcal-6, Craig-7, Pujols-3, Berkman-9, Freese-5, Jay-8, Molina-2, Schumaker-4, Jackson-1...probably. No positions listed for 7&9 #stlcards
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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keeping it interesting
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
STL Lineup vs NY (9/20):
Furcal, ss
Craig, somewhere in OF
Pujols,1b
Berkman, somewhere else in OF
Freese, 3b
Jay, cf
Molina, c
Schumaker, 2b
Jackson, rhp
Tony probably tossing a coin for outfield positions.
I love that Theriot isn't starting
It’s as if TLR actually wants to win this thing
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This has probably been answered before
but why did TLR stop batting the pitcher 8th?
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
by monkeysareblue on Sep 20, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Standard sports reporter explanation
is that Tony only does that when he’s not satisfied with the offensive potential of his team, if configured “normally” with the pitcher 9th.
Whether the different lineup actually has any impact I don’t know, but I remember Goold writing a few pieces about it either this year or last.
From Hardball Times:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/is-larussa-right-to-bat-his-pitcher-in-the-eight-slot/
Logic also says that due to the limited number of plate appearances the pitcher slot will get before being replaced by a pinch hitter, it shouldn’t matter too much.
Unless that pinch hitter is Corey Patterson, in which case the pitcher should just bat for himself.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
by monkeysareblue on Sep 20, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
because everyone else started doing it
and we want to be different
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Thought this applied to Ryan Theriot and his whole correlation = causation way of thinking
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 20, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Remember. Correlation does not imply causation
except when it does.
You were my brother, Anakin!
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
by monkeysareblue on Sep 20, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Jonah Keri at Grantland
But let’s save some kudos for Cardinals GM John Mozeliak. He got roasted for trading Colby Rasmus at the deadline, with critics (rightly) wondering how a team could give up on a tools-laden, 24-year-old center fielder in exchange for a rental starting pitcher and some relievers. You can debate whether it made sense to cut ties with Rasmus over a personality conflict, or how this trade might play out in the next three years. But the Cardinals definitely improved this season…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
improved at what?
take away Lance Berkman and all that sunshine is from the holes
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that said I am fully rooting for the Memphis Mafia to go all the way
as they richly deserve
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm not sure I agree with that being kudos-worthy
if we’re basing the analysis of this trade on the results, the result is that mozeliak traded colby rasmus for mark rzepczynski and a sub-20% chance of making the playoffs in 2011.
And it's not like our increased playoff odds
Are entirely due to Jackson, Patterson, etc.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 20, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, I think the best addition has probably been Furcal
Who wasn’t part of the Rasmus trade anyway.
Dotel has been good too, though.
When Colby Rasmus was traded
Weren’t we still in first place?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 20, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was only because eriot was the ss, duh.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Even if we make the playoffs, he's STILL getting roasted over the Rasmus trade....
Only he’s getting some pats on the back for the Furcal trade, in which we gave up nothing, paid very little extra salary, and possibly got a 1.5 WAR player for 7 weeks.
By my count, Furcal has been worth more than double what Jackson has and cost us nothing. THAT’S THE MOVE KERI SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
Pujols or not Pujols. That is the question.
blah
my appreciation for Keri just went downhill a tad.
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
Well...
Jackson has been worth .5 war, scrabble .4, dotel .6, and patterson -.3.
Jay has been decent. The alternatives: Rasmus in center, KMac in the rotation, Miller, and some righty reliever, probably would’ve been worse than what we got. Now do you trade away 3 years of Rasmus for this? Probably not, but it is true the trade made us better this year, and if we get to the playoffs by a game or two, it’s probably accurate to say that the Rasmus trade put us over the top (in addition to the furcal trade).
by guayzimi on Sep 20, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, but there is nary a mention of Furcal anywhere there.
that bothers me.
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
The thing is
People were already conceding that the trade could make us better this year (though it wasn’t guaranteed). The implications for the future were always the issue.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I agree that the trade made us better
But you can’t really say it put us over the top, because the results that actually played out are different than what would have happened had we not made the trade.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 20, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
damn, I forgot this is the VEB dead hour
my timing is all wrong
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
f'n mameshiba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gusJeslMbLc
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
warning for velociraptors around 2:40
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wow, they are really tightening up security in ballparks since 9-11.
thanks a lot, bin laden!
home isn't where it used to be. home is anywhere you hang your head. - macmanus
are there any multi-account twitter clients that don't suck?
I’d like to actually use the @thebirdos and @sbnstlouis accounts on occasion, but tweetdeck and seesmic desktop are both slow, cross-platform nightmares, so far as I can tell.
On PC?
I have no idea. All of them pale to Twitter for Mac, imo
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I'm on OS X
but I think I’d have a hard time using the OS X Twitter client for several accounts (plus I’d like to be able to control the sites’ Facebook feeds from the same program.) I like the whole multi-pane thing, the apps that use it are just terrible.
well it was fun
why the f is corey patterson on this team?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 20, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
spectacular post, read it on mobile originally
had to come here and rec it
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 21, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
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