Albert Pujols's power, Ryan Theriot's lack thereof
The strange thing about Albert Pujols's late drive for a .300 batting average is that so far he's only managed to put up a .300 average in one month—.317 in his 17-game June. Before that, .245 and .288, after it .295 and .298, and it's only after his 4-4 afternoon yesterday that's hitting better than .300 in the second half. (It pushed his second-half average all the way from .297 to .313.)
He's yet to have an Albert Pujols month this season, if by Albert Pujols month you mean something that looks a little like his career averages: .328/.421/.618. When he's at his best he's been hitting not for average but for power.
I don't know a lot about this Albert Pujols. I kept assuming we'd be seeing him eventually, as he began pulling a higher and higher percentage of his hits and racking up minor leg injury after minor leg injury, but his early-season slump (especially that punchless May) has made it difficult to see the continuity between this first baseman and the one that the Cardinals were about to hand hundreds of millions of dollars to earlier this year.
The slump in league offense hasn't helped, either. Pujols's isolated power in 2011 is actually the third-lowest of his career, ahead of only 2002 and 2007; even after going up 11 points yesterday it's 23 points lower than it was in 2010. Pujols is accruing more of his value than ever as a home run hitter—they represent 51.7% of his total bases, against a career mark of 45.9%—but it's not because of increased power like we expected; it's because he's not hitting any doubles. (Which rate at 16.7% compared to a career 23.3%.)
This all worries me with a long-term deal in the offing, not that I'm prepared for the Cardinals to go in a different direction. His collapsing walk rate has offset even the newly super powered second-half Pujols's .329 ISO; with an OBP under .400 he resembles nobody so much as the good Ryan Howard.
And I'll be honest, 2006-me still isn't ready for that.
2011-me is ready for Rafael Furcal to continue acting as a Tyler Greene simulator, though I'd like to see the real thing as soon as Memphis's season is less of a going concern than St. Louis's; Furcal is up to .239/.294/.394 now.
One use for the Tyler Greene Simulator: Furcal now has 17 extra bases in 109 at-bats as a Cardinal, which puts him within nine of 26 Ryan Theriot has managed in 411 at-bats. I do appreciate Theriot's ability to get on base more than the average replacement-level shortstop, but I'm excited to see if Furcal can catch him in September.
Theriot's complete lack of power reminds me of how easy it is for certain kind of players to slide by on the low expectations their position has given them. Theriot does a number of things surprisingly well—he can hit for average, he swats some doubles, he's always making contact—and better than we expect to see from shortstops. We don't expect power from shortstops anyway, so his particular deficiency—his ability to ever drive the ball out of the park—gets zeroed out in our minds.
But Theriot is especially bad at hitting home runs. His ISO, .063, is half the league average and almost 50 points lower than the league average for a shortstop; it's closer to the average pitcher (.042.) The difference between the runs he's actually created (44) and the runs he'd create if he had actual shortstop power (50) is real, but it's in a blind spot.
Possible commenting prompt: Where else do these blind spots show appear? The other one that immediately comes to mind is the difference in defensive incompetence between your average hulking first basemen and the particularly clumsy ones, like Richie Sexson.
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I'm not ready for the strange new Albert Pujols either, Dan
So I’m going to cherry pick stats to convince myself he’s back to normal. His walk rate has climbed all the way back to 9.9 for the year, which is tantalizingly close to double digits. He could end up with an end-of-year walk rate that doesn’t look too different from the earlier part of his career, which would be very impressive considering how he started the season. His ISO is currently not too out of line, and certainly not the worst he’s ever put up. His wOBA has climbed all the way up to .390. I used to think him incapable of ending a season with a wOBA under .400 (or whatever stat I used before I knew what wOBA was) and it will be very hard for him to get there, but who knows. His wRC+ is at 150 right now, officially making it only his second-worst if the season ended right now. Lastly, he’s up to 4.8 WAR. An end-of-season total in the mid-5’s seems possible to me.
I think the question is whether this year looks like a typical decline year. If it does, the “slump” is just noise and we should expect this sort of complete-year picture of Albert Pujols. However, maybe the slump did not "need’ to happen and was an aberration. It could truly have been a strange funk where the ability was still there but he wasn’t putting it together for some strange reason. I will optimistically cling to the latter hypothesis for now because this sweep of the Brewers has cheered me up and I don’t wanna lose this nice buzz.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 2, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
pujols since june 1st
.313/.388/.698/1.086
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the average and slugging are there
In fact, he traded walks for slugging. He’s never slugged that high for a year, his highest is .671 I think… Yeah, in 2006.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I still think that the 'slump' had something to do with that hammy.
I had a pretty bad one once, and I can attest to the fact that if your ass cheek hurts every time that you go to put a strain on it, that will throw off your whole game.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
hammie, no hammy
what ewe’ve seen from apu this year is the beginning of what to expect down the road. dan touched on his monthly BAs. if you go back to 2005-6 you se it was unusual for him to have a BA less than .300. beginning in 2009, he has progressively had more low BA months. hammy or not, i think it is all part of what we can expect is what we’ve seen, which is drop in consistency, not in peak capability. part of which is health to be sure, but aging is one thing you simply can’t out work.
i don’t know what i’d offer him, but he is not worth $10 more than holly or $20M more than berk. tough one for him and jmo et al.
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I thought it comical
How in the beginning of the season, the announcers would always tout that Theriot lead the league in singles a couple years, as if it was a great accomplishment. Uh….no…that just meant he didn’t have enough power or speed to make some of them into doubles.
I'm fine with having a player lead the league in singles
As long as he’s hitting .360 to do it. But you don’t see too many .360/.420/.380 lines, do you?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
And playing at least average...
preferably above average D at a position other than 1B or LF.
"Progress always involves risk; you can't steal second base and keep your foot on first base." - Frederick Wilcox
One thing to note in comparison to many comments earlier in the year
Is that Ryan Theriot’s walk rate has cratered to 5.4%, less than half that of his peak (outlying) 2008 year. He’s taking a few more pitches than he has in years past, but it’s certainly not showing up in his walk rate. So much for the benefits that were supposed to accrue from his oft-discussed “change in approach”…
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 2, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, the promised "change in approach" was basically the glue that held together my rickety Theriot-optimism shortly after we got him
That seems like so long ago…
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
since we're not going into the postseason, i'm kinda ready to just end the season on this high note
we better not suck too bad for the remaining 25
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Yup
That’s probably our best hope right now. I don’t want to aim too high and convince myself we can still win the division. However, if we sweep the Brewers again while taking 2/3 of the Reds or something like that…
No! Bad matty, bad! Stop doing this to yourself!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Agreed...
I hate having this fragile hope in the back of my mind. It’s going to hurt even more when it is crushed… again…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
86 wins would be nice
Finish 10 games over…I’ll take that.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Hell, we're already nine over - it'd be fun to see a stronger finish even if we don't catch Milwaukee
(as we presumably won’t). If we can get to 90 wins and at least make things interesting with Milwaukee and/or Atlanta that would be cool.
I know some people have thoughts about what a strong finish that keeps us quasi-plausibly in contention until late September means for 1) TLR’s future and 2) playing time for kids vs. vets. But I don’t see any evidence that it will actually affect the former, and I’m also skeptical that it will make a huge difference with the latter. So I say at least make September fun to watch.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you are right about # 1
TLR is impenetrable to rational analysis. But I strongly rue your prediction about # 2. For me, that was the downside of sweeping the Brewers this week, that it would give Tony an excuse to do his Theriot-Patterson-Rhodes thing through Sept.
In a way, tho, you HAVE made me feel better, because it’s probably true that even if we were 12 games out right now TLR still would not start giving the call-ups the innings he should.
On a somewhat related note, the rumor I heard about Ozzie Guillen heading to Florida and LaRussa being brought back to manage the White Sox has me cackling and crossing my fingers
by thetewk on Sep 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It would be fitting
Since he not only started there but apparently has become Connie Mack here without even buying the team
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
86 wins is a world series team
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Circa '06, but I bet
not this year. Arizona, the furthest away from 86 wins of the division and wild-card leaders in the NL, is already at 78 wins (Philly already has 87). They could go 7-18 the rest of the way, I suppose, but I wouldn’t count on it. Detroit has only 75 wins with 25 to play, and going 10-15 is not improbable, but does seem unlikely to me.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 2, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic ;)
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see us push Milwaukee more than that.
I would like to make them win at least 91-92 to win the division.
The walk rate really doesn't bother me
He has some serious clout behind himnin the lineup, and with his early season slump, pitchers are actually pitching to him this season.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/28/2011)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 2, 2011 9:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Tweet from Joe Posnanksi
JPosnanski Joe Posnanski
Albert Pujols since May 6 : Hitting .312, slugging .598. Albert Pujols in 2010 — hit .312, slugged .596. Was just a bad month.
hmmm? Distracted by contract talk?
no, that’s dumb. Machines don’t care about money.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
pujols absolutely SUCKED in april...
and then got hurt in june when he was absolutely locked in. people forget he missed about 14 games or so.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess you gave away my spot in FF?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
good Simmonsland article on the Cards & Pujols today.
Jonah Keri is a good, and well-informed writer. linky
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
let's realize something...
albert pujols is really, really, really good at baseball.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
you don't say
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Or to look at it another ridiculous way,
Pujols has had nine seasons better that Tex’s best single season. And if you take away Pujols’ incomplete 2011 season at the low end of the graph, his career average WAR is better than Tex’s single season best WAR.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
also
apu plays in the worst or one of the worst divisions in baseball
i suspect apu would not have that margin if he played in the same games as tex
not saying tex is better, but he has different challenges
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
It's also fun to compare him to Prince Fielder
at this point in their careers…just to see how good a deal we got with Albert at $16M per season from age 28-31. Prince will probably get at least 30% more than that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Albert Pujols' 9th best season is on par with Teixeira's best season
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Equally amazing to me
is that Albert and Alex Rodriguez have had, essentially, the same career value.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
That is to say that
Albert has hit well enough as a first baseman to overcome the 2 win positional advantage that Alex Rodriguez had through the first portion of his career.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
That's incredible.
I note that the Rodriguez line is getting less step and it reminds me of this New York Times article, titled, “Plenty of Time Left to Regret Rodriguez’s Contract,” by Harvey Araton.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
20 WAR by age 22
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Factoring in defense
Who’s the more valuable player through 10 seasons: Albert Pujols or Barry Bonds?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
it's pujols and i don't think it's close
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Bonds...
but I could see how someone would say Pujols. The only thing that makes it close is that Pujols hit the ground running while Bonds was mortal his first 2-3 years.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
If you go by B-Ref
albert probably won't take steroids either.
so he’ll have a decline.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
how dare you all insult Dee Dee's cooking.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Apparently
if you gring up deer’s velvet on their antlers, it acts as an HGH booster in humans. I’m convinced there is nothing an athlete won’t try to get an edge. It has proven true since baseball began.
She pressure-cooks the antlers for days on end
So they are converted into a rich gelatin.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
helpah keepah yang up
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Two things...
Baserunning isn’t included and that puts Bonds well over the top – he was stealing 30-50 bases a year at a 75%+ clip. And Bonds was more peak-y, which is more valuable.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
SB are included in wOBA, for what that's worth
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
fWAR now includes baserunning...
pujols: 82.7
bonds: 73.8
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
jk...
there’s no bsr in bonds’ numbers for his first ten seasons. but i doubt they were worth 9 wins over 10 seasons
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see how much value baserunning
would add to guys like Henderson or Raines though. Tim Raines would have some considerable WAR added via baserunning.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
oh, absolutely.
i wonder if FG is going to go back and add it all in eventually.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
They can't
All of the retrospective/historical WAR is based on box scores
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
It probably cuts the gap in half or more...
at that point the difference becomes meaningless… Like I said I could see going either way, but I just would prefer Bonds. He could do absolutely everything on the baseball field.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THE MLB COMMERCIALS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 2, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i absolutely disagree. but you're free to your opinion.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What exactly do you disagree with?
I’m saying they’re essentially tied statistically and I tend to prefer one guy over the other.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
i disagree that i would rather have bonds.
and i disagree that that a 4.5 WAR gap is meaningless.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Over 10 years it is...
fangraphs started quantifying baserunning this year and we’re completely guessing what Bonds was worth. UZR didn’t exist early in Bonds career, and even now everyone concedes it has its problems. The margin of error here swamps the difference.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
How much does basestealing add to baserunning value?
Pujols is a good baserunner, but doesn’t steal many bases.
I would bet that the difference isn’t as much as you think, and I bet Albert still comes out on top.
Not sure what you mean by “peak-y” or why that’s more valuable.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah good article. Jonah Keri is very good.
Still I just can’t think rationally about Pujols.
FREE TYLER GREENE!
FIRE TLR!
me either, at all
the words went into my head, and all that came out was SIGN HIM SIGN HIM SIGN HIM SIGN HIM
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
O-Swing %
VEP would appreciate this tidbit:
He’s also swinging at more pitches out of the strike zone. Indeed, his O-Swing percentage has nearly doubled in the past seven years: Pujols swung at 15.7 percent of pitches out of the zone in 2004, versus 29.7 percent today.1 But here again, there might be mitigating circumstances. League averages have also climbed sharply in the past few years, likely due to a combination of shoddy umpiring and improved pitching, but also an inconsistent standard for what constitutes an out-of-zone swing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Your title makes me want to have Albert and Theriot put on a personal one on one HR derby
For TLR and Mo so we can rub thier noses in it
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 9:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I want to know how many feet you'd have to push back the fences for pujols
before theriot would win that contest.
Pujols has no HRs over 450 feet in the last 2 years
Theriot has 3 HRs over the last 2 years.
This would be like the Shaq versus HR derby they had in O’Fallon a few years ago.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I could have sworn he hit one at Busch last month that was measured at 460+
(I think it was the longest one hit so far at Busch III…?) But I think it turned out there was a huge discrepancy between the distance measured during the game and the “true” distance at HTO – no idea why.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
They are never measured during the game. They are "estimated."
One of the homers he hit in the recent Milwaukee series was estimated at 461 feet, too, I believe.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Theriot gets to use the All-Star Celebrity Softball Game fences.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 2, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I ROFL'd at this
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still might be too far
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 2, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That's too far
I’m thinking you have to put a ball on a tee and give him one of those super bats, and it might be enough to get it over the second baseman’s head
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 2, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now, Theriot is slugging .337
In 2006, Pujols had an ISO of .340.
If Albert’s 2006 ISO were a batting average, it would have placed second in the NL batting race behind Freddy Sanchez (.344) and just ahead of Miguel Cabrera (.339).
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
There are a couple other years where Albert's ISO would have been a top 5 BA in the National League
2009’s .331 would have placed second to Hanley Ramirez’ .342 BA.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
To Bill Brasky, er, Albert's ISO!"
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
people don't "slug" 337, they hit 377
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Yeah, I should have said that Theriot currently has a so-called "slugging" percentage
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
.......what is this pitching matchup, GOB?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Will Yadi start? Will Phillips start (and lead off)?
Dunh dunh duunnnhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
is this why carp's spot was skipped
?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Winning always improves blog chemistry.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 2, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
no, it is the zany late night hijinx that keeps us focused!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And we're loaded with gritty clubhouse guys
And team leaders
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So blog chemistry makes us more happy and talky?
It’s a very chicken-and-egg kinda thing, isn’t it.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Stop making sense now, damn it!
This is the internet!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did Dal Maxville hit for more power than Eriot?
At least Dal had a good glove. Maybe Westy should pinch hit for Eriot with men on base?
SD
Or maybe Brad Pe. . . Oh wait, nevermind
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Career .217/.293/.259/.552, 6HR over 14 seasons
So, no. How he stayed in the major leagues for so long, I have no idea.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 2, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
maxvill
stayed in the majors that long because of his defense. He was really that good. Not especially flashy, but steady,
made all the plays and made it look easy. Probably played the position with the most ease of any SS the
Cards ever had, but was a miserable hitter. Had Maxvill been able to hit at least for a acceptable average, he
be remembered more for his glove work. Cardinals had him for 11 years and he stuck around longer with other
teams that needed a late inning replacement for guys like Theriot
Shannon has often said of Maxvill
that he never saw him made an error after the 7th inning. Possibly not absolutely true, but still a point well-taken
Back in those days,
was Shannon sober enough to remember anything after the 7th inning?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's when he comes around to the other end and becomes sober
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He only said that he didn't see them, not that they didn't happen.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
that's what makes Theriot worthless
well, at SS anyway. it’s a travesty he had so much playing time there this year. managerial fail.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
bruceitis and rotary cups
I’m ready for this 3 day weekend.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Z: the gift that keeps on giving.
The Cubs announced Friday that Carlos Zambrano will not return to the team this season but will be paid for the remainder of September when his stint on the disqualified list ends on Sept. 12.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 2, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
Does he hold the record for most times on the disqualified list?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The cardinals are going to crush my soul again.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Sep 2, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'll take "titles of less successful Joy Division songs" for $400, Alex
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
For anyone looking for something to do, or with sufficient DVR space
BBC America is playing a Battlestar Galactica marathon from the beginning this weekend. Watch a few episodes, you will be hooked.
Great show
I hated the ending though
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
but I don't hear that music playing!
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
mattys are like the cylons of VEB
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i didn't mind the ending
but i really hated the ending of the Starbuck plot line. seriously, wtf was that? least satisfying piece of TV ever. even the ending of Lost was better than that.
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
rats I missed this subthread.
I agree with this statement. I hated, hated Starbuck’s final story line. I want to talk about this more, but SPOILERS
Still not a werewolf.
Beets, Bears, Battlestar Galactica
FREE TYLER GREENE!
FIRE TLR!
by hittmeier on Sep 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Looks like it's just one season?
It doesn’t run all weekend, at least in my area. I still need to catch the 2 “Exodus” episodes that a friend recommended.
I tried watching it and kept expecting Loren Greene
and Bruce Boxlietner to make an appearance. Of course that would be difficult since Greene is dead.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
answers my question
‘course I was 99% sure it was the recent version, not the original. I’d watch the original, just for the campiness and memories. We used to watch it in the dorms every Sunday night.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxleitner was on NCIS fairly recently, I think
So there’s that!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I just got a history lesson from the main secretary at my work
In 1964 the Cards were 8.5 (I think she said 10.5) games out going into the last month of play. They made a come back and went on into the playoffs.
There is still a chance and we have a precedent of doing it.
bollocks
They were 11 out in late August and 6.5 out with 13 to play
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
That took an absolutely epic collapse by the Phillies in late Sept, but there's always hope
Someone pointed out yesterday how the Mets did it (collapsed in Sept and lost a big lead, that is) just a few years ago.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
We almost did it in 2006
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Also, the '06 Cardinals collpased in an epic fashion, but managed to hold on just barely.
They went 12-16 in September and 3-9 in their last 12 games (which included a four-game sweep to the second-place Astros). This blog was one of the most depressing sites on the internet during that run.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Then. . .
Playoffs!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually remember watching game 5 of that world with my wife in my living room naked while we were first dating
After jumping up and naked in celebration of a WS championship, we swore if the Cardinals made the WS again we’d watch atleast one game naked in honor of 2006. I also went to game 3 and eventually had my ticket autographed by Carp. God I miss 2006
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 8 recs
That's so awesome.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
silly people
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd for nudity
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Rec'd for pure weirdness
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Sep 2, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved how the whole "We're playing with house money" vibe evolved into
“We won the jackpot with house money!” vibe.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And I loved the emergence of Weaver, the calls by Joe Buck
“Pujols with a stop. Weaver on the other end for the out!” of course McCarver made my brain hurt but it was still awesome, from Ronnie Belliard, to So Taguchi, to Yadi, to Spezio. All so we could give Jose Vizciano a WS ring for not actually playing baseball
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That was agonizing...
Houston gained 8 games in 9 days, then stalled out at a half game back.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
John Smoltz!
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
by SleepyCA on Sep 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
The last couple weeks of that season were some of the worst baseball weeks, for me, ever. Then we won the world series. Go figure.
Which reminds me, the NLCS that year was (given the fact we won) really fun to watch.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
games 2 & 7 were ehhhhhhpic.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That Game 7 is probably the best game I've ever watched,
maybe even better than Game 6 of the ’04 NLCS.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't think I've ever yelled louder than when Waino struck out Beltran
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
That was the most dramatic plate appearance and final pitch that I've ever seen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CUE UP THE GIFS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Actually I think this one is a magical moving jpg
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
when waino walked lo duca i thought we were absolutely fucked.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep that's a name I forgot existed
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
He had a 5.5 WAR year!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
lo duca was good.
their lineup absolutely fucking sucked to pitch against.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i remember someone here said
“he’s taking lessons from izzy, making it interesting” or something along those lines.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
we should find that game thread
those of you who’ve never read those — will blow your minds.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Evident the wash!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
EAT UP MY HEARTIES YO HO
Day thread
Game 7
Overflow 1
Overflow 2
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Sep 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i know where my morning
is going.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Sep 2, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the highlight so far
is Mr Redbird badgering people to photoshop a picture of Preston WIlson playing the outfield while wearing MC Hammer pants. Everyone’s ignoring him.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I read recently
that Mookie Wilson is both Preston Wilson’s uncle and stepfather.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
now that's keeping it in the family
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
so, what, his mom got remarried to her ex-husband's brother
that’s pretty harsh.
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I'm confused.
What’s harsh about my comment? I just found it interesting and so I shared it since we are talking about the ’06 Cardinals and the Mets.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Your wife divorcing you and marrying your brother...
harsh.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
Oh, okay.
I guess I just assumed that Preston’s dad passed away. But, yeah, that’s harsh.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
oh. then that is sad and now i feel bad.
and now its more like weeds.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
this.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
agreed - I'm rec'ing like a... uhh... yah, I'm rec'ing!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
notable moments:
reading the reactions 5 years later is AWESOME
endy’s catch
yadi home run
i can’t find the thread for the end of the game to save my life…
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
oops. my bad.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
END OF GAME THREAD
here it is.
the celebration starts here.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
And what the hell was up with Jeff Suppan
that series?
Game 7: Endy Chavez’s catch broke my heart and then Yadi patched it up again and Waino locked in “most favoured player” status.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
game 7 of the 2006 NLCS is the best cardinals game i've ever watched.
game 7 of the 2001 world series is probably the best overall game i’ve watched. for whatever the hell reason, i don’t vividly remember wainwright striking out beltran, but i remember molina’s home run like it was yesterday.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I was on my feet in my basement,
yelling and pushing air forward with my hands (as if that would make the ball go further). It seemed like it took a lifetime to clear the fence.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
My first thought was "Oh fuck Endy's gonna catch this one too"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I was afraid too
but when it cleared the fence, I think I remember yelling “catch THAT effer!” or somesuch.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It sure did.
I managed to exclaim, “GET UP, BABY! GET UP!” a few times, if I remember correctly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
My family was all yelling at the TV.
It was great. For some reason, after the Endy catch, all the hope and expectation had been sucked out of us. Then Yadi gave it all back. We were all on our feet. Man, I’m nostalgia’ing so hard right now.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I'm getting chills all over this thread...
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
It was a towering popup that suspended in the air for forever
Then land 20 feet behind the fence/Chavez
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
someone left a pitch up in the rain
i don’t think that i can take it
cause it took so long to rake it
but endy’s never catching that again oh nooooooo
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Molina's jack is fading in the black
All the Mets fans’ hopes are melting doowwnn
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 2, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um, I guess this would go right before your post to make it work with the song structure
Also, rec.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
sbn doesn't have that option yet
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this whole thread is giving me goosebumps. what an incredible year.
the morning of game 5 of the WS, i went to the store and bought a bottle of champagne. i had friends over that night to watch. i was so worried that i was going to jinx it because i bought that champagne…
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I didn't even get to watch the game
daughter had a football game to go to that night (band). We kept getting updates from the band director who was listening on a portable radio then heard the last out on the radio on the way home.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I could watch Waino strike out Beltran for the rest of my life
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
got the dvd locked in a safe place.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
but they won the two games they ABSOLUTELY had to have...
and thus started the most fun stretch of cardinals baseball i’ve ever watched (‘04 is up there from a sheer awesome standpoint, but we kind of won the world series and stuff in 2006). albert pujols gave the cardinals a late lead in the bottom of the eighth inning against san diego in the famous “OH YEAH” dan call off cla meredith. then on saturday spiezio hit a late three run triple to win the game for the cardinals. that was the most playoff feeling regular season game i’ve ever experienced.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember after Albert hit that homer my uncle and I
Joked about the spelling if Cla by calling home “the claw” and shouting about how Albert defeated the claw. I also remember the BBTN clip wherethey showed the Meredith and Lidge homeruns side by side and it frightened on of the analysts because Albert was exactly the same in both. It was sooo awesome.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the 2006 home run is one of my favorite home runs ever.
al: “righties are hitting .186 again—”
dan: “ALBERT OUT TO LEFT FIELD OHHHH YEAH”
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i wonder if that stupid stupid mlb has that clip.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
considering i had trouble with an '08 clip yesterday...
i doubt ’06 works very well.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately not for that moment
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you know, we're all saying even if milwaukee goes 12-12 we still have to go 20-5
who’s to say the brew crew even reaches .500 in september? i mean, their 20-2 run (or whatever it was) should balance out, if the metrics are correct.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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just because they went 20-2, doesn't make it more likely they'll have an under .500 team.
Stats don’t even out like that.
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i know that. but then what does that mean? does that mean that the predictions were wrong?
or does it simply mean the brewers played above their true talent level for those 22 games
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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depends what predictions you're using
I’ve never liked pythag records because it’s based on run differential.
If I were to try and use WAR for instance to guess how much they played over their head in the last 30 games they would have 6.7WAR from offense and 3.7 WAR from pitching, that’s 27 games so that’s like 17.65 wins (replacement teams are 43.5 wins) in 27 games when compared to their actual 20-7 record in those games.
/feel free to correct me on this saber-friends
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how far off is a 17-18 wins from 20 really?
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well, for starters, it probably puts us nearly a sweep away from getting back to first place, assuming that the cardinals would have won once or twice during those 2-3 losses milwaukee should have
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right, even then
the cardinals are playing 1 game over their xWINS (what I’m calling it) record, 5-6 GB would be nicer, I just think I’m going to complain about something I can change.
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except for winning, a repeatm of 63 with dodgers
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Remember it well
it took a massive collapse by the Phillies, but the Cardinals were 21-8 in September to close the gap. The Reds were also hot but our friends in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia came to our rescue and took 4 out of 5 from the Reds that last week. In the last few days of the race, KMOX was patching in the broadcasts from the other clubs. Very exciting. Interestingly, the Cardinals lost their last series to the last place Mets but hung on just enough. We (meaning Gibson) won the last game and the Reds lost and we one by one game. Very exciting.
The Elder
The time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
and what happend in october of 64?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I linked to this last night, but it's worth repeating.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 2, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That Grantland article is fantastic.
Thanks for linking to it, guys.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Miguel Batista started last night for the Mets.
Here is his line: 6 IP, 2 R, 2 ER, 6 H, 3 BB, 3 SO
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Most Miguel Bautista line ever
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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For some reason, I think of Miguel Batista in terms of WHIP (perhaps due to his age?).
And last night’s was a Batistan 1.50.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I do to, oddly.
But the combination of terrible BB:SO rate, lots of baserunners, yet just two earned runs?
Wizard.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
I TOLD YOU
7 shutout against the cardinals.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And scored a run!
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
On an unrelated note, any VEB'ers going to be at the 9-10 or 9-11 games against the Braves?
I’d love to meet some of you…coming in from Bama.
Parsing the schedules
If Houston is going to win any games against Milwaukee, at least their pitching is set up to do so — they’ll have Norris, Wandy, and Henry Sosa (who the Brewers haven’t seen and has thrown well in his last two starts). Whether they’ll score any runs is another matter.
The Cardinals have to contend with the 2nd best pitcher in the NL (Cueto), followed by Bailey and Arroyo, in matchups which should favor us on the pitching side (Jaime and Jackson, respectively).
If we’re making a run at this, we basically need to sweep the Reds and pray that the Astros take 2 of 3, which would get us to within 6.5 games. Then we’d have to sweep the Brewers next week (-3.5), and take 2 of three from the Braves and pray that the Phillies sweep the Brewers in that series (-0.5).
If all that happens, we’re in it. If the Brewers simply go .500 in their next 10 games, we’re fucked.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
if the cardinals go 17-8 and the brewers go 9-15 we both finish 90-72
i mean it could absolutely happen. it’s just not all that likely. i’d put it at 7.5%.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, the Zambrano thing definitely helps us
He fucking kills us and would no doubt pitch in that series.
If i’m looking at the pitching right, We would only get two of the Big Three (Halladay, Lee) against Philly, and Milwaukee would face Worley, Halladay, Lee, and Hamels.
That could be a huge gain for us.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
that would be awesome....
and for whatever reason we hit lee. so that’s good.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
We're 7.5 out now...
if we can manage 18-7 in the final 25, the Brewers would have to go 10-14 to tie. It wouldn’t even take a big collapse from them.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
well...
18-7 is .720 baseball and 10-14 is a big collapse from the brewers considering their august.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
the more I see these mental exercises
the more my hope is tempered. We would be right in this now if we hadn’t given away a couple of games to the Brewers the last two times around AND crapped the bed against the Dodgers, Pirates, and Cubs.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it's so fucking frustrating...
we should be within 3 right now (the brewers disgusting august notwithstanding) and we’re 7.5 back.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much
Don’t even think about the Franktista Days. Your head will explode.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
right
there were probably 2-3 games in August that we had a >80% win probability in at one point but ended up losing. If you also consider a couple of the Brewers improbable wins (like Morgan getting on base on a potential game-ending strikeout), we’re only 3-5 out right now.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
that's my point
it’s best not to even think about it because it will just piss you off.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
corrected
… it will just piss you off again
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be a pretty epic collapse
considering how well they’ve played since August 1st and considering their remaining schedule is full of patsies. In fact, you could probably argue that it would be the worst collapse in modern history, considering they would have to drop a considerable number of games to teams that will lose 90 – 100 on the season.
Looking back, the Dodgers sweeping us at home is what put the nails in the coffin for the Cardinals this year. Had we won 2 of 3 (dropping the Kershaw start), we’d be just 6.5 back right now.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
10-14 would't be close to the worst collapse in modern history
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
they do have the phillies, rockies, and marlins (don't underrate the latter two)
and the reds on the road aren’t exactly a patsy. also, missing greinke twice is an absolutely fucking win for the cardinals.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would I not underrate the Marlins?
Outside of Stanton and Sanchez, they are a below average team at every other position.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
its like al always says
you don’t want to play a team that’s got nothing to lose late in the season
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looks like we don't miss him next time.
He’s listed as the starter tonight which means he’ll face Carp in the finale.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Houston, Florida, and the Cubs
could all potentially lose 90 games this season. Houston has 90 losses already, and is a significantly worse club than the one that lost the majority of those games after their fire sale in July.
Take away Mike Stanton and it’s essentially 12 games against AAA teams. Of which they would have to drop at least half in order to hit that win percentage.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
So they go 7-5 against the bad teams...
and 3-9 against the good ones. Go look at what the Mets did in 2007 – 5-11 in the last 16 all against the crappy Nationals, crappy Marlins, and crappy Cardinals.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
We were talking in the game thread yesterday about what kind of bump in playoff odds the sweep
would give us. BP now has us at a 3.3% chance of making the playoffs, up 1.1% from yesterday. Most of that probability comes from the division but there’s a ~1% chance at the wild card.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
Thought experiment on "momentum"
Let’s assume that a few days ago, the Brewers were up by 4.5 games on the Cards heading into a “critical” series in Milwaukee. In that universe, the Brewers sweep the Cards to go up 7.5 games. I can only assume that this place, and all of Card fandom, would be apoplectic. I think everyone would say that we are utterly and completely out of the race with no hope.
Of course, it didn’t happen like that…but we are still 7.5 games out. The way you feel about the difference in these scenarios, IMO, is a good proxy for your thoughts about “momentum” – especially that certain type of team momentum that has no real underlying cause (like that brought about by major injuries to star players, for example).
In any event, IMO, the Cards must pick up a game in the next series and must sweep Milwaukee in the series after that to have a real chance.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 2, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
That's a cool way to look at it.
I guess this means I might believe in momentum a little more than I realized.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
definitely
momentum/recent results makes all the difference in the world in perception despite what cold, calculating robots we claim to be.
I think you’re also spot on in saying we have to pick up 4 games over the next two series (i.e. be only 3.5 back after we finish with the Brewers) to have any real chance of catching them.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
absolutely
this has always been one of my biggest TLR gripes. A middle reliever would be mowing people down, and then would immediately replaced by another pitcher because of the lefty/righty matchup. There’s no telling how many games were lost due to this.
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 2, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
that better not be a unicorn
would've.
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It's a unicorn leaving rainbow pies that explode!
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 2, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually they're rainbow poo mines
which makes it even better.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 2, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
NL central standings based on pythag
milwaukee 74-64
saint louis 73-64, 0.5 GB
cincinnati 72-65, 1.5 GB
pittsburgh 62-75, 11.5 GB
chicago 58-79, 15.5 GB
houston 54-83, 19.5 GB
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
wow
us, the bucs and the cubs are pretty much right-on. Milwaukee, of course suspiciously lucky.
by peppermartin on Sep 2, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Needless to say we missed the Yankees and Red Sox...
There was a significant strength of schedule problem this year.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
we got an extra series against the Phillies, though
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they're probably better than that pythag, sure.
but they have absolutely gotten lucky in one run games.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
how much of the pythag vs real do we attribute to management?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
what in the...?
http://gamedev.rasmuswriedtlarsen.com/
sorry it’s FLASH.
(declines to pimp pastelgames, while at it.)
would've.
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Have you heard of The Stanley Parable?
Apparently the game’s gotten really popular on the internets. My friend at USC developed it!
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Sooooo,
apparently, Jason Motte’s a badass.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
question: (sorry if this has been covered)
if the cardinals and brewers end up tied, will they have a one-game playoff, or will the team with the better h2h record get the playoff spot?
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one-game playoff
I think it might be determined by a coin flip though who gets home field advantage, not sure on that.
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Footrace between Yadi and Prince
Or it might be a one-man competition to see if Braun can successfully round third and come home more than 5 times in 10 attempts.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
one game playoff.
H2H only comes into play if both teams are headed to the playoffs, a la 2001 cards/astros.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
damn, i am going to be on a plane tonight and at a football game tomorrow.
hopefully i will get to see sunday’s game. i will miss monday’s also!
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Simmonsland, again
Simmons himself, with a shockingly reasonable take on advanced metrics and the MVP race. I think he’s really kind of decent writing about baseball, which I didn’t realize until about 3 minutes ago.
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
He definitely likes advanced metrics.
His problem is he usually dosen’t look outside the AL east.
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best line
Fact: It’s 2011 and we still can’t figure out what “most valuable” means.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
The more I see of Ryan Theriot
the better I like Skip.
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by Dave Pendleton on Sep 2, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
however, that's probably not a good thing.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 2, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
skip is likeable in his own right. batting .300, getting on base at about .350. there’s worth to that. he’d be a great bench or platoon player.
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skip doesn't think he's pretty
theriot can’t stop wondering why no one thinks he’s pretty
….wait, we’re not talking about that?
would've.
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The more I see of either of them, the less I like them.
They’re both terrible defenders and punchless offensive players. Skip’s wOBAr is .319, Theriot’s is .311. Basically, Skip’s a “better” offensive player primarily due to the 38 point advantage Skip has in the BABIP department.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 2, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does Fangraphs like Jon Jay so much
More than Bref? 2.0 WAR vs. just 0.5?
by mick311 on Sep 2, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Baserunning
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They grade defense differently
That’s probably the bulk of it
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Yea I know that, it just seems like a pretty big
Gap.
Carp is another one Fangraphs really likes (4.0 to 2.2br). I knew Carp’s peripherals were good but my god he has been unlucky this year (.323 BABIP). He has actually pitched better than last year (strikeouts are up, walks and HRs are down)…gb% is one of the only areas he has been worse, and may be one reason BABIP went up but he has really just been a victim of some very shitty defense (3.1FIP, 3.3xFIP)
by mick311 on Sep 2, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I really think we should re-sign Carp
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so do I
as soon as we let him go, we’re gonna need him
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
"Ten Great Baseball Quotes Inspired by Ichiro Hating on Cleveland"
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
this gave me chills
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That's somebody's sig here
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yeah, i thought i had seen it before. still gives me chills
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Have you not read the book?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
damnit people i dont have time to read
i started rereading moneyball in february. i’m not even 1/2 way through.
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Read it on the plane!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
bahahahaha
i’m charging my kindle right now. but you know i’m going to be reading a stack of cases about the ADA and alcoholics instead.
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Those are very interesting cases, IMO.
I would do the standard tsk-tsk, but I left the office at 12:30 last night.
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by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
they are. not to delve into lawyer veb or to start any kind of political conversation
but making alcohol a disability really opened a can of worms. it is a very tricky situation.
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at first that quote struck me as a happy thing
but the more i think about it, that just seems twisted and sad
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
it kind of is. i can't imagine what it must be like to spend a good chunk of your life involved in something so monumental and transcendent
and then one day, it’s gone.
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ball four?
nope. is it good?
apparently he invented big league chew, for which little leaguers everywhere thank him.
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do not mess with yadi f. molina
i'll add it to my winter reading list
for some reason i thought it was about the red sox, which doesn’t interest me
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No, no, no.
He was a power pitcher who fucked up his arm real bad (b/c they didn’t have “doctors” and stuff 50 years ago) and reinvented himself as a knuckleballer and got a few extra years out of his career by being a long reliever/spot starter.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
which book is about the red sox that i am thinking of?
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Summer of 49, maybe?
Both that and The Teammates (both by Halberstam) are pretty good.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Halberstam is pretty good.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Now all we need is for McCarver to awkwardly discuss Halberstam's death during Saturday's game.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, throatwarbler
Stop doing this
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Doing what?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Friendly fridaying every person on his following list
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there have been times where i have considered unfollowing him
is he a VEBer?
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No
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issue resolved
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Now you folks are making me wonder how many Cards fans have unfollowed me.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't what he was tweeting about
it was just the sheer volume. i had to look for tweets that weren’t by him. i have considered unfollowing capital avenue and kevin goldstein for the same reason
he also does these play by plays of old games
which i guess is interesting…i guess…but it takes up your whole feed for like hours at a time
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I take it you don't follow fang either
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I had to unfollow him as well because if I missed a day in checking tweets
like 1/3 of the tweets would be his and I’d miss some other shit
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This is one of those subthreads that might as well be written in a different language as far as I'm concerned
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
...
MLB MLB
BREAKING: Roger Clemens to be retried on perjury charges next April.
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i kept reading that as retired and was very confused
lucky bastard prosecutor can finally exhale
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by YesWeOquendo on Sep 2, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i would have been more interested in this a few years ago.
my disdain for clemens has subsided. actually, i am now just starting to feel bad for the guys that got caught, since probably everyone was doing it. i don’t feel bad for people who lie under oath, though.
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Everyone criticized McGwire.
He was one of the few who made the right decision, consulted with lawyers, read a prepared statement, and was coached on how to respond to questioning to ensure that he didn’t commit perjury. McGwire did the right thing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The right thing in a legal sense
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 2, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
In what sense did he do the wrong thing?
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by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i suppose, from a moral sense, he could have just told the truth
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Yeah, he could have.
But couldn’t that also have led to prosecution since steroids were illegal when he used them? Or had the statute of limitations on prosecution run? He has a family to take care of (and I’m not just talking about money). I think he made the right moral and legal decision.
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by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, i agree with you
and actually, i could be wrong, but i don’t think simple possession of steroids was a crime until 2004. anyway, i think he did the right thing, too. no reason to give yourself up to a federal investigation. i was just hypothesizing on secondhalfmatt’s comment.
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he had not yet reached
the statute of limitations on prosecution. According to the Bob Costas interview, he asked for immunity before the hearing and was denied.
Grit != flat out sucking.
was that on all of the steriods?
when that reporter grabbed that bottle of andro out of his locker, it wasn’t banned at the time, I don’t believe nor did I think it was illegal to have. I’m very likely wrong though.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
andro was not illegal or banned by baseball at that time.
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Adrian Gonzalez was traded for Ugi Urbina. lololoolol
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And then he was traded for Adam Eaton
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I'm pretty angry that a lineup with Cabrera-Gonzalez-Hanley never happened.
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would uggla have been in on that infield too?
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Gah!
I’m really angry now
2007-2010 would be the years they were all under team control.
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*2007-2009
Cabrera would’ve been a FA then.
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Seriously, whoever is behind DadBoner needs to win a Pulitzer
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I thought I was the only one here following this genius
I’m so glad others have found pleasure in his tweets.
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Really lookin' forward to the weekend, you guys
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Do not want Robinson
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Yeah, he just got called up I think
Or we just “purchased his contract”
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eh, use him for a pinch runner and defensive substitute.
not much more value than that though from him.
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I'd have rather had him than Patterson all these weeks.
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by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
so ends centerfielder allen craig
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Yeah.
1) Furcal, SS
2) Jay, CF
3) Pujols, 1B
4) Holliday, LF
5) Berkman, RF
6) Freese, 3B
7) Molina, C
8) Theriot, 2B
9) Carpenter, P
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
more skip, less riot
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i know what tony was thinking though
theriot is 13/39 against cueto, for a line of .333 /.381 /.462
skip is 6/28, for a line of .214 / .241 /.250
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I'm ok with any lineup as long as Cueto loses that ERA title tonight.
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I'm fearful for you.
So quickly pinpointing La Russa’s rationale…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 2, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: let's say i'm offered a job in Chesterfield, MO
i’d like to live somewhat close to my job (<30mins), live in a somewhat rural setting (>1acre for house) and have decent schools/hospitals. is this possible?
note: never lived in STL, i’m a Southern IL country bumpkin (618!!! wooo!)
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yeah.
i actually used to live in chesterfield. we had about an acre. not sure about the quality of the schools (i think we lived near marquette) and hospitals (depending on which one) are about ten minutes away.
you could live IN chesterfield. you don’t need to look further east.
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and by east,
i mean west.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
thanks, guys!
what about south? eureka-ish?
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by ldr on Sep 2, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
if you're offered a job in chesterfield,
i don’t think you have any reason to not live in chesterfield. that’s just my opinion though. i think the city meets your three qualifications fine.
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most excellent. thanks again!
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by ldr on Sep 2, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and if, for some reason, you DON'T want to live in chesterfield
i’m sure someone here knows of another small suburb that meets what you want! =)
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
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isn't wentzville still within 30 minutes?
sounds like that would work for him
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 2, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I have friends who live in Eureka
Bought a house a year ago or so and they enjoy it. I think they said the school were good. You can take 109N to get into Chesterfield. I rather enjoy that route but I wouldn’t want to take it in bad weather.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 2, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
marquette is a good school.
you may also want to look into wildwood.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 3, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Jackson, Dotel, Rhodes all type B FAs...
Furcal knocking at the door. Of course it would be madness to offer any of these guys arbitration, aside from Jackson.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
what is the rule
about salaries going down in arbitration? There’s a limit to how much the salary can drop, correct?
Rhodes is a definite no. Jackson is probably safe as he’ll probably decline to sign a multi-year contract with someone. Dotel, I’m hoping, they can come to an agreement with that he won’t accept. I’m undecided on whether we should talk to Furcal about coming back. We shouldn’t offer arb, though, as any contract he gets for next year should be well below what he’d get in arbitration.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I say we make handshake deals with them all to decline
We give them all the Imo’s pizza they want to eat for a year or something.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 2, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget the toasted ravioli
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
imo's is gross.
i don’t begrudge your enjoyment of it, but can someone born and raised in st. louis explain how or why it tastes good to them?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Ask fang,
he thinks that crap is a godsend.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i only like it with pepperoni
but really, provel cheese is nasty. i bought some once to make homemade pizza, and it was freaking terrible.
disclaimer: not from st. louis
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Proven is delicious that and heavy oregano are te only reason I like Imos
Thier sauce and toppings suck
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reds lineup, lifted from
this post at RR:
Brandon Phillips 4
Edgar Renteria 6
Joey Votto 3
Jay Bruce 9
Yonder Alonso 7
Drew Stubbs 8
Juan Francisco 5
Ramon Hernandez 2
Johnny Cueto 1
Also, if DanUp and the RR mods are interested in doing a late-season 5 questions exchange, I humbly submit a set of five (interpreting “question” very broadly):
1. Could you please let us sweep you?
2. Seriously, don’t be a bunch of dicks; just let us sweep you.
3. Yonder is a funny name, not a cool one like Yadier.
4. Are Phillips and Cueto still asses?
5. Can we have Phillips anyway?
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
haha, yonder.
“But, soft! what light through yonder ’lonso breaks?”
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Sep 2, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
"It is the east, and Cueto is an ass!"
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
rec'd.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I rec'd the bunch of them
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this idea of putting baseball names into Shakespeare lines
May I add a few?
Told by an idiot, Fuld of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
I come to bury Cesar, not to praise him.
Now is the Wimmers of our discontent.
Alas, poor Yorvit!
If snow be white, why then her breasts are Dunn;
As flies to Stanton boys, are we to the gods.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 2, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Romero, Romero, wherefor art thou (Ricky) Romero?
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 2, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thou dankish knotty-pated foot-licker!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 2, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
All wonderful!
“I Dotel his very absence.”
“I will wear my heart upon my sleeve for daws to Beckett.”
“It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night like a rich jewel in Theriot’s ear.”
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Sep 2, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What a piece of Berk is man!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 2, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
this is probably my favourite one.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Aaand
green.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 2, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a Drew.
Hath not a Drew eyes?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Sep 2, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me, I just like putting baseball players' names into songs, like Theriot
Hey there Theriot, what’s it like in error-prone city
Is the weather bright and sunny
Or is it dark and kind of shitty, just like you
Wait that’s racist, yes it’s true, you’re a whiter hue
Hey there Theriot, don’t you worry about the missed play
You’re the grittiest of grittiest and LaRussa’s little baby
Get off the ground, you’re not fooling those around
You can’t play ball
Oh, it’s what you pretend to be
Oh, it’s what you pretend to be
Oh it’s what you pretend to be
Oh it’s what you pretend to be
That really pisses me
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 2, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is there a particular piece of music we're supposed to put this to?
With the one reference, I’d guess Whiter Shade of Pale, but can’t seem to make it scan…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 2, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey there Delilah by Plain White T's
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 2, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Who?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 2, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
OOOOO!!!! I'll bite
1. Like it would matter
2. Seriously, you started it
3. Yonder isn’t a funny name, it’s an adjective/adverb
4. YES
5. Please have him forever.
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
not trying to be that guy, whilst being that guy
yonder is also a noun. so it can be a funny name.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
next thing you know,
he’ll be saying spelt.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
only if we're tallking about a hexaploid species of wheat
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
what?
whilst is a perfectly good synonym of while according to Webster’s
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of britspeak, anyone heard from Aranathor lately?
haven’t seen any of his postings lately. And they’re usually hard to miss.
probably getting himself back in shape for school
/drinking a shit ton
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably getting himself a back massage from the guy sitting on the barstool next to him.
/fixed.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 2, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably getting himself a back massage from the guy sitting on the barstool next to him.
Whilst getting himself back into school shape, by drinking a shit-ton.
/fixed again
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
time to go find some craftbrews
and hopefully my internet will work better than it has been! mlb.tv not workin
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
.264 BABIP for Pujols
Compared to .311 for his career and ~.300 for the past two years. And only 12 intentional walks, compared to over 20 per year over his career. Both of these are probably out of Pujols’ control, and if normalized, his numbers would be pretty close to his career.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
he's gonna go on a tear like no one has ever seen
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and we're making the playoffs!
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
on his 50 rbi September!
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
game thread up
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions

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