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Morning Thread: Pre-Arb Production and the Cardinals

PITTSBURGH, PA - SEPTEMBER 14:  Jason Motte #30 of the St. Louis Cardinals celebrates the win against the Pittsburgh Pirates with teammate Yadier Molina #4 on September 14, 2011 at PNC Park in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  The Cardinals defeated the Pirates 3-2.  (Photo by Justin K. Aller/Getty Images)

In honor of Moneyball being reborn as the upcoming film Moneyball: The Jeremy Brown Story (and sponsoring SB Nation's various enterprises, including this post [disclaimer: Any gushing about Brad Pitt's dreaminess might be a part of this campaign]), I thought it'd be worth taking this deadline-related morning thread opportunity to look at the Cardinals' performance over the last few years in what strikes me as the 2011 equivalent to the Great OBP Rush of The Early Aughts—players who aren't yet eligible for salary arbitration. 

2011: 12.7 bWAR: Per bWAR (Yes, I know the difference; yes, I'm using it on purpose) the Cardinals have gotten the most impressive just-about-free mileage out of their long-awaited surplus of minor league relievers; Eduardo Sanchez, Fernando Salas, and Jason Motte have all been extremely useful out of the bullpen, though Motte will be arbitration-eligible coming off this particular extremely useful season.

With nearly every useful piece in the bullpen—Salas, Motte, Sanchez, Mitchell Boggs, Lance Lynn—still making $400000 (give or take one to two times my annual income) the Cardinals avoided overpaying in one of the areas where it happens most frequently; I don't mean to count my cheap relievers before they implode and vanish forever, Mike Crudale-style, but Heath Bell hasn't yet put on a Cardinals uniform. And with Jaime Garcia in the rotation, Jon Jay and Colby Rasmus amounting to a fine center fielder, David Freese starting at third, and Allen Craig and Daniel Descalso doing whatever Tony La Russa wants, the Cardinals managed to earn above-average performance at several positions without, say, relying on Ryan Theriot for six times the price. 

2010: 11.7 bWAR: This was a better group if you're not willing to dock the Cardinals' B-team -2.3 wins for the combined performance of P.J. Walters, Adam Ottavino, and Blake Hawksworth. Colby Rasmus played like an All-Star—remember that? Wasn't it just the best?—Jaime Garcia was excellent, and the Cardinals managed to cheap out at shortstop, third base, and fourth outfielder while they were at it. Kyle McClellan had a career-year in his final season before arbitration, which I think is a warning to keep Jason Motte out of the starting rotation, at least after April's over. 

Baseball-Reference also awards Steve Hill 0.1 WAR. If you're going to just get into one game before your team sends you back to AA for no reason, it doesn't hurt to leave behind an OPS+ of 331. (I hope he knows what OPS+ is, especially if he has Google Alerts for "Steve Hill.") 

2009: 7.9 bWAR: Is it really true? Did the Cardinals really once have a 27-year-old shortstop who was worth 3.4 WAR and also gave really funny post-game interviews? A 22-year-old center fielder worth 2.8? A—okay, the next guy on this list is Skip Schumaker, who had a fine year as a cheap second baseman but does not quite merit elegy. 

The cheap pitching hadn't quite arrived in 2009, not that the Cardinals really needed it after Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, and Joel Pineiro. Blake Hawksworth and Kyle McClellan were effective, but Jason Motte, Josh Kinney, and P.J. Walters were not. 

But what's striking about the Cardinals' farm system is just how much cheap pitching could be on the horizon, even after Motte starts earning saves and beard-endorsement deals, and that could be crucial to their payroll sanity after the Day of Albert Pujols Reckoning. If you can avoid paying pitchers, who do annoying things like damage elbow ligaments and retire to become outfielders, in the middle of the rotation and the bullpen, that $15-20 million in Jake Westbrooks and Kyle Lohses and Ryan Franklins can pay for, say, a real shortstop. Or Albert Pujols's pleasuredome. 

But one thing's for certain: Brad Pitt is the dreamiest man I've ever laid eyes on. 

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My gf disagrees with the dreaminess of level of Brad Pitt

and she won’t be going to see the movie either. I may however rent it at some point

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 16, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to timestamp Brad Pitt.

Current Brad Pitt is not the same as say 2004 Troy Brad Pitt or 1999 Fight Club Brad Pitt or 1994 Legends of the Fall (I’ve never seen this movie) Brad Pitt.

Just sayin’.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Sep 16, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only sexy thing about that show was Alan Thicke.

MEEEEOW

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Sep 16, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait, what?

[Does a Google search]

Huh. Kinda seems like they tried to turn him into an Uncle Jesse/Joey Lawrence kinda look. Not sure what I think yet.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Snatch Brad Pitt

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 16, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You like dags?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 1 Start- 9 IP, 4 H, 3 K, 0 BB, 0 ER, 14:7 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 16, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is wearing a nose prosthetic.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Sep 16, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you sure?

there’s nothing on google about it.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 17, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

se7en brad pitt and fight club brad pitt are the best brad pitts

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

My female friends insist on "Meet Joe Black" BP

I like him in the Ocean’s movies, in that he’s not afraid to poke fun at himself.

by avs18fan on Sep 16, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn i forgot about ocean's 11

i’ll add that to the list. he is funny in that movie. loved the movie meet joe black, but i’m not a fan of clean-cut/long hair brad pitt.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

dang, VEB, I leave the basement for a bit and there's a Brad Pitt tier.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brad Pitt Snatch.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Sep 16, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erm...

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Sep 16, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brad Pitt A River Runs Through It

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

a poker playing, hardcore fishing alcoholic

that’d be my choice

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a good figher, though....

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd have to be pretty good to get away

from several pissed off individuals with guns. Considering they broke his fingers with the butt of a pistol.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched Se7en once.

Never again. SPOILER ALERT!…………………Gwyneth Paltrow’s head in a box ruined my year.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 16, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do

I’m not sure how that happened

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 16, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure if should rec or flag

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, just rec it.

no sense in throwing a flag.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

lucky you

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

or you can just go with me, dumbass

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I may take you up on that

Then she’ll probably be like, “Oh I want to see it now.”

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 16, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

skip out of work and go to a matinee

she doesn’t have to know……

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're allowed to go to movies without your gf, apparently

I only learned this a few years ago!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

but with another girl?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it's a friend and you let your partner know beforehands, why not?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmm

maybe if its a friend you both know. probably not if its some girl you met on the internet

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, well yeah

I don’t think the SO would be totally weirded out if I was like, “Hey I’m gonna go catch a game with a girl from VEB, wanna come?” since I’ve already met a couple of people here, but a movie would be awkward

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

sort of related

this topic got me thinking. are people who have been cheated on more suspicious than is necessary? or are people who have not been cheated on too naive? or both? or maybe neither…

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably a bit of both

I dunno, we’re lucky in that we have 100% trust. We’ve been together forever, long distance for 4 years, can openly talk about how attractive we think other people are.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate so much about the things that you choose to be

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn Asians.

FREE TYLER GREENE!
FIRE TLR!

by hittmeier on Sep 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to rec this for the consternation

it gives Rui.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm going to rec this for the use of the word "consternation"

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to break the thesaurus on that one.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random fact
34% of people who have 100% trust eventually get cheated on.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck, it's in block quotes

Must be true

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to take a sec

to figure out to use block quotes.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's such a handy skill

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Subject Line

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a situation like this once

Then she cheated on me.

I’m not implying that your wife will cheat on you, of course. I’m just saying that I once felt like you did, and now looking back I feel naive instead.

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here

and now i am sort assuming everyone is an asshole

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

vocabulary of the day

cuckold     [kuhk-uhld]
noun
1. the husband of an unfaithful wife.

verb (used with object)
2. to make a cuckold of (a husband).

Origin:
1200–50; Middle English cukeweld, later cok(k)ewold, cukwold < Anglo-French *cucuald (compare Middle French cucuault), equivalent to Old French cocu cuckoo + -ald, -alt pejorative suffix (see ribald); apparently orig. applied to an adulterer, in allusion to the cuckoo’s habit of laying its eggs in other birds’ nests

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

At first this reminded me of Bill Murray in The Royal Tenenbaums

But now it is reminded me of Tales of Ribaldry.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Many times over.

Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?

by a fink on Sep 16, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, you like my use of "it is reminded me"?

I was beginning to worry that I had gone back to correct grammar and phrasing in my internet speech. Phew! Still got it.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, it IS reminded you!

Is Jon Jay the next Willie McGee? Is Arthur Rhodes the next Arthur Rhodes?

by a fink on Sep 16, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am become reminded!

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first one

People are all over the place on the 2nd one. I know a woman who is worried that any person she dates will cheat on her.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The gf knows I've been to games with d-dee

She’s even seen d-dee when we were at a game and d-dee came into our area when d-dee helped a man find his seat. The bleachers just happened to be packed in the area we were sitting in so I couldn’t introduce her.

That said I don’t know how well it would fly. Never know until you try though

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 16, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

just tell her i like girls and it's a baseball movie full of math

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

one time when I was single

I really wanted to see 28 Weeks Later and couldn’t find anyone to go with me. So, I sucked it up and went on a Saturday morning (matinee prices) and had a fang’n blast.

I got there when I wanted to, sat where I wanted to. No compromises. Nothing. Perfect. So, I started to do it on a regular basis (the worst decision I made was probably a Saturday morning showing of WALL-E. Too many kids. Too many suspicious Moms wondering who the creep was all alone….but I digress)

Now that I’m in a relationship (engaged actually) things have changed. She doesn’t really like the same kind of movies I do. Honestly, I’ve yet to figure out what type of movies she likes that aren’t named “Sex and the City”, but it has something to do with never ever having a sad or disturbing part in the entire movie. Whatev….

Anyway, I’ve broached the subject of me going by myself and she always looks at me like I’m speaking Greek.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw the departed by myself

on a tuesday in the middle of the day. single best movie theater experience i’ve had

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just it.

if you go during the day, it’s almost like you’ve got this big ass tv screen in your living room.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh heh heh I can think of a couple that top that

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free Juju Beans!

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Sep 16, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might, uh, wanna urbandictionary that one

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the last movie I saw in a theater where I remember

thinking that I did not want it to end. It was that awesome. In contrast, a movie like Inception was very entertaining but towards the end I remember wanting it to just hurry up and get to the conclusion.

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Sep 16, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

well that and the fact that most movies

that come out today should never have been made in the first place (apart from financial motivations). What are we on, like Saw 8?

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Sep 16, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed many years ago that most movies ruin the last 5 minutes or so

of the film, as though they just didn’t know how to finish it up, or were in a hurry to get to the credits. Film after film after film seemed to do this, starting around 1990 or so. For instance, Groundhog Day. Very funny film, Murray is great in it. But the last 5 minutes, after he wakes up with Andie McDowell, are horrendous. I don’t think it’s so much that the films could be shorter, they just need to finish better.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 16, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also so the departed solo

but then again, I also saw requiem for a dream by myself. that was not as good of an idea.

low in the zone

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

SURELY you've followed standard protocol

and kept a local male friend in reserve for such occasions. Did you freaking skip reading the marriage manual?

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't have a ton of friends that are...

either single, don’t have kids, or locally available (Chicago ’burbs is a big place) for a run to the movies.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aurora

The older you get, the less 1) friends you have and 2) the less friends you have that can actually do something fun with you.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is true on both counts

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

addendum

I think at some point (probably in late 50s or early 60s) where that trend starts to reverse itself.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah too far away

I’m up in Hoffman Estates.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds fancy

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

(God I'm bored.)

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Sep 16, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is wrong with you

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually live close to our high school

but it’s not that one. We share a district with Schaumburg that includes 3 high schools.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait!

Not basketball… Diving! Hoffman Estates DIVING! I gave a kid at ISU a beer in exchange for his shirt.

Glad we got that all cleared up, I know how you worry.

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Sep 16, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have a freaking diving team?

I think I need to speak to the school board.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

and I think Cards Fan in Chitown has had a beer with every single one of us.

CFIC is like the Kevin Bacon of VEB.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't made it into the beer things

‘cause they’re in the city. Older kid is in 1st grade now so maybe there will be more free time.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missed the obvious comeback...

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my brothers goes into work extra early

and then takes off to go see a matinee in the afternoon because his wife doesn’t really care for his type of movies. But then they’ve each done their own thing for years.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't understand why people feel the need to be accompanied

i go to most ball games alone, to movies, concerts, to restaurants, coffee shops, on trips by myself
i enjoy myself more and never have to worry about conversation or if the person that is with me is having fun
then again, i’m probably just weird

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

misanthropes unite!

"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett

by tom s. on Sep 16, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, most of those don't really engender social interractions anyway

In the case of food, and movies, they actually make the experience worse.

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by vivaelpujols on Sep 16, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're gonna wanna reconsider that engagement

if you can’t figure out what movies she likes, or if the ones she likes annoy you to no end. This is a big part of marriage, although few if any males would be willing to tell you this. My wife likes action movies and documentaries, I like rom-coms. Fortunately, I’ve seen so many movies in my life that I can handle pretty much anything once without rolling my eyes.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 16, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait wait wait

your wife likes action movies and YOU like romcom??

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

I blame it on a Brad Pitt movie, namely, Se7en! Hmm, no, I’ve preferred rom-coms and comedies in general longer than that….

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 16, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tree of Life Brad Pitt is definitely the best, IMHO

Manchester City: 12 points, 4-0, 1st in EPL, +12 GD
Sergio Aguero: 6 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 6 Gs

by cardinalswsbound on Sep 16, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It should be noted that Tree of Life Brad Pitt...

…is actually Brad Pitt circa 2008. They filmed that movie a long time ago.

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

"MONEYBALL Players of the Day"

Does Lance Lynn get bonus Moneyball points because he was a college pitcher?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 16, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

He gets points because he's not trying to sell jeans

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by Solanus on Sep 16, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, two points?

One for being a college pitcher and one for not trying to sell jeans?

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by bgh on Sep 16, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Slightly off topic, but it just occurred to me that Daniel Descalso somehow became a sure thing for a roster spot before Tyler Greene

How is this possible? Greene surely has better AAA numbers. Descalso’s job on the roster is basically to play 2B-3B-SS, but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly the sort of thing Greene could do too (only with better AAA numbers).
I guess the argument could be made that even though Greene is better at AAA, his K% just won’t translate well to the majors, but it still seems odd.

by Cardinals645 on Sep 16, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

errors v. no errors

pretty sure this is the majority of the reason why. oh and walk-off clutchiness v. no walk-off clitchiness

by BVHeck on Sep 16, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

and bats left handed

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Sep 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greene seems to have had several issues when he gets called up

You could look at the dropped balls, or deciding he needed to go onto the DL instead of getting sent back to AAA last year.

Dirty Dan hasn’t really had those problems. Not to mention he has “grit” and is “clutch” in the late innings.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 16, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I fear the words you have in quotations are the real reasons.

Actually, all of this makes a lot of sense. I also think there is a preference amongst some in baseball (including TLR) for players that suck by not walking or hitting for power over players that suck by striking out too much or having a low batting average. I think there was a fangraphs article to that effect regarding Jorge Posada’s early season performance.

by Cardinals645 on Sep 16, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should have all but one...

Wasn’t this his first stint with the big club that wasn’t a Sept. callup?

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by cardzfanbub on Sep 16, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what my memory tells me.

Greene is out of options.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Sep 16, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's getting booged.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plenty

according to Cot’s, Descalso had .016 years of major-league service going into this year

by CRay on Sep 16, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

because TLR thinks that minor league numbers don't matter

which I disagree with. they usually are pretty dang predictive. /tlrisdumb

low in the zone

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

usually

why the f is corey patterson on this team?

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Jay

why the f is corey patterson on this team?

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 17, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMHO it's the combination of

not having lit the world on fire in 2010, followed by the wasn’t-hurt-until-demoted thing. I think that was what really pissed off TLR.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Sep 16, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

it could be because

Descalso had better MAJOR LEAGUE number than Greene at the time of demotion….just a guess

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 16, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

[weep]

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Sep 16, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Sep 16, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

FREE TYLER GREENE!
FIRE TLR!

by hittmeier on Sep 16, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

excellent

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bosanova!!!

Chevy Nova?

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by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcrSVQdb9s8

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

love that blog

Matt Sebek is awesome

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by hr on Sep 16, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is like one of Yellon's MadLib Cubs post-game things.

Yawn. Sebek is lame.

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by The Continental on Sep 16, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am pretty pissed that i didn't get to see shelby pitch this year

that’s just wrong

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by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah, I had that problem last year

every time Quad City was in my area and I could go to the game (3 times), Rondon was the starter – 3 for 3 – equally bad luck

by CRay on Sep 16, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

apologies for not showing up as i promised the other night

life and school have both been getting in the way, in addition to me still trying to figure out what the fuck this cards team is. i haven’t been able to tell if they’re good or they suck based on their games this year. seems like every time i think the cards are going to get it together, they lose 2 of 3 to a shitty team, and then it’s back to wondering.

do i think the cards are done? yes. have i thought that for a while? yes. honestly, i think it’s going to be extremely frustrating if they play great ball and come up just short. really, i’m frustrated with that concept right now, in addition to all the hub-bub surrounding the team this year with what could have been (ie. if the team didn’t blow as many saves) or what shouldn’t have been (ie. franklin, batista, etc)

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by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 16, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

In my opinion, the club is about where I thought they'd be without Wainwright.

I think most folks had them pegged as a team that would win 85-90 games and that’s the pace they are on. Where folks were off was whether winning that many games would be enough to win the NL Central. The Brewers took off and played inspired baseball for an extended stretch. This allowed them to put a fair distance betweent themselves and the Cardinals.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 16, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

You couldn't really account for the Brewers doing what they did

at the exact time the Cards tank for a couple of weeks. We probably knew it was coming, just hard to figure for.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 16, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think that thread had a sense of betrayal

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

thanks, asshole

i planned my whole night around zoomzoomj88 showing up and did he show? of course not

by prophetjohn on Sep 16, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Dead all up in here

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

yo

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Sep 16, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So how's it feel to be a softie now?

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strange as hell.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Sep 16, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna give you a gigantic hug if/when we ever meet

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

in some ways i’m much worse. very mama lion. i unleashed a string of profanities while driving the other day that made josh raise his eyebrows in shock. and i usually swear quite a bit.

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by spants on Sep 16, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOWER THOSE EYEBROWS

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Sep 16, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he would've spoken out about the swearing, I would've directed my wrath toward him.

I decided to let him have his raised eyebrows.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Sep 16, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

throw the predator zebra you gave the kid at josh and he'll learn to keep those eyebrows lowered

and not look you directly in the eye

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by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You learn to use different curse words

Then 3 years from now when someone cuts you off your kid yells “DADDY WHAT IS THAT GOSHDARN PERSON DOING? HE SHOULD GET OUT OF YOUR DARN WAY!”

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've somehow developed the ability to change my expressions

based on the company i’m in.

I’m in my 3rd year of teaching in a primary school (K, 1st, 2nd) and you’d honestly be surprised how many times a day you want to grab a kid and scream, “What the fuck are you doing!?!”

Of course, you can’t. But it sure feels like the right thing to say.

Anyway a couple of years ago, I got really upset at a class and unleashed a completely un-planned and very emphatic “GOSH DARNIT!!!!”

I was actually pretty impressed with what came out of my mouth, because it sure as hell wasn’t what was going on in my head.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should just use "cubs fan"

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's such a mean thing to call a child.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, it's a mean thing to raise a child like that

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by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like the kids who grow up in the madrasahs in the Middle East

It’s like at first you feel sorry for the kid. They have no choice and they have parents who force them in to this line of thinking. But after a while, they grow up and are filled with illogical hate and become a giant problem to the rest of the world.

Yup. I did it.

I just linked growing up in a madrasah to growing up in a family of cub fans.

That’s right.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

madrasah literally means "school." going to a madrasah just means going to school.

link.

otherwise, can we leave these comparisons off the board? thanks.

"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett

by tom s. on Sep 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's fine. As it was meant as a dumb joke anyway,

but for the record, I did look up the definition before posting my comment and according to Merriam-Webster, madrasah means:

a Muslim school, college, or university that is often part of a mosque

and according to thefreedictionary.com, it means

A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.

Now, I’m not linking this to start a debate. As far as I’m concerned, it’ll be dropped. I just wanted to show that I did at least use a credible source to define it and it doesn’t literally mean “school without religious affiliation”. The last part (omitted by you) was the rest of the sentence from the wiki article.

Nevertheless, the subject is now dropped.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

and all those definitions say is that it's often part of a mosque

which would be akin to feeling sorry for all those kids that grew up in catholic school or go to christian universities, which, well, may still have merit, but i’m not going to comment on it. i’m just saying that it’s equivalent to saying “those poor kids growing up in madrassas”

by prophetjohn on Sep 16, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

when you're dropping a subject, drop it. don't give a block of text for why your comment was fine.

drop it means, don’t reply.

"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett

by tom s. on Sep 16, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it just me

or do the tv spots for Moneyball have a Major League (the movie) vibe to them?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Jonah Hill!

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean I doubt they would make it into anything serious

Although it would be cooler that way.

I wish David Fincher was directing it.

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by vivaelpujols on Sep 16, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like my HS girlfriend!

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is what I would say if I actually had a HS girlfriend that I am not currently married to

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

good save. now your high school gf/wife will never suspect when she reads VEB.

your secret is safe with the internet.

"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett

by tom s. on Sep 16, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rui keeps getting older

But they just stay the same age.

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by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only thing i need to know

does he call anyone Mr. _

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

so. since we're not really talking about baseball anyway

direct tv or dish network?

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Are those the only two options?

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

are there others?

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

UVerse, FIOS?

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by Alxfritz on Sep 16, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

uverse isn't in phoenix yet

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and niether is FIOS

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of two-bit city are you living in

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah its only the 5th biggest city in america.

assholes

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

mmm, not you guys - the FIOS/uverse peeps

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

6th largest by population, right?

they go back and forth with philly. and either way, they should have uverse

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop for a minute and think about that

Uverse isn’t being rolled out nearly as fast as people thought. Might have something to do with poor customer acceptance.

They certainly put a great deal of work into pissing me off.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah well

i will just get directv then i guess.

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apple TV isn't horrible...

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by pattimagee on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey yeah let's have this discussion again

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm... I must have missed that discussion..

I like AppleTV. But I have Uverse. So… I don’t like it as much.

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by pattimagee on Sep 16, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the consensus?

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by pattimagee on Sep 16, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm intrigued

I’ve been kicking around the idea of getting apple tv for a couple of months for movies (netflix, itunes) but haven’t pulled the trigger.

netflix’s seleciton pisses me off so I think ultimately that’s what has kept me from doing it already.

btw, is netflix streaming better when you have it on a tv device (apple tv, xbox, wifi blu-ray, etc) than it is streaming on your computer. is the selection deeper?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

netflix streaming queue is the same

for the computer and the Roku, LG TV, wii

by ubeddie on Sep 16, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

same selection

but I’ve watched it a lot more since I got a ps3. I have to really love a show to want to watch it on my computer.

by DanUpBaby on Sep 16, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you really a cub fan?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You live in Phoenix, right?

Either might work for you. I’ve never recommend them in an area that gets rain or snow.

Also, plan your trial period.; The delay when changing channels can drive you nuts.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, basically everyone here has satellite because its sunny all the time

my HOA pays part of my cable bill, but i seriously cannot handle all the fucking problems we have anymore and i will gladly pay a few bucks more a month for my sanity

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

DirecTV is so much better than cable

Many many more HD channels, the whole home DVR is awesome and we have never had trouble with any of our hardware — unlike Cox where we constantly had issues and had to change out the boxes several times.

by OCCardsFan on Sep 16, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is EXACTLY my problem with cox

we’ve had at least 6 cable boxes in the last year and now another one is effed up. and we’ve had them come out 5 times to “fix the signal.” i’m done

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So escalate

Bad picture? Picture going away? Poor internet latency? what’s the deal?

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

you name it. the picture will start skipping, and the pixels will start scrambling a bit

starts slowly then gets to the point where you can’t actually watch tv. right now, the box in our bedroom just keeps constantly rebooting.

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've had Cox...

This is going to sound weird but my box (I swear I’m not trying to be dirty but with all the cox and box its easy to get off course.) was doing that scramble BS. What fixed it was a new cable from the wall to the box.

by OKCardsfan on Sep 16, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've been through several

that was one of the first things we tried. and unfortunately, this is occurring upstairs and downstairs. but thanks for the suggestion!

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have Comcast cable here in Colorado

have had some problems over the last couple of years, especially with what they call “tiling”, where the pixels get scrambled. Finally had someone come out and check my cable lines, they ran new cable from the box in the greenbelt to my house, and that fixed it. This, after replacing the box two times in the previous year.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 16, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took my daughter to Target and let her pick the color of the fan

so now I have a small pink fan clamped to the side of the shelves holding my DVR ‘cause I knew the 7 year old DVR was overheating with the blu ray player sitting on top of it, but I didn’t want to get it replaced and have to track down 20 episodes of “Dora the Explorer” and “Angelina Ballerina”

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That brings up a question

is there a way to transfer stuff from a DVR to a PC (or even a new DVR)? Last time I called DirecTV for a programming change they informed me a qualified for a free upgrade to a HD DVR. So I said “sure” and three days later it shows up. Now, three MONTHS later it still sits in its box on the floor ‘cause there are two or three programs on my old DVR (that will not be re-broadcast) that I don’t want to get rid of.

The DVR has a USB port in the front, but before I just hook up a xfer cable or something, I wanted to ask if anyone had done this.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 16, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

In short, no

Many boxes have a firewire out, so you could either put the firewire or HDMI out to your PC and record it while you play it on the DVR.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then it rains

during the game you skipped work to watch.

Seriously, though, I think the “more HD channels” thing died a while ago, though I have no experience with Cox. Just comcast.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

ALL I WANT IS ESPN3

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by mysterui on Sep 16, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

She won't have a rain issue, she is in Phoenix

We never had any outage when we lived in California and since being in Colorado have only lost picture on a very few occasions.

by OCCardsFan on Sep 16, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have haboobs!

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by Alxfritz on Sep 16, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

luckily they are usually rare

and rain…i don’t even know what that is anymore

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

and what do you mean by trial period and delay when changing channels?

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You change a channel

and they you want 5 seconds. On cable, at least most of them that haven’t moved ot switched trunking, all the channels are coming to your box at once. It’s not like that with satellite.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

both (all three) are correct

sometimes it’s 1 second, sometimes 4-5. If you are switching back and forth between two channels, its usually pretty quick but if you jump to a new channel, it can take a few seconds. I’ve seen my sister’s DishTV do this too, BTW.

by ArkansasTravs on Sep 16, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have dish network

One complaint: we have to reset our receiver about 3 times a week. We turn it on and the channel and guide information doesn’t display. Other than that, no real problems and that one hasn’t been significant enough for me to bother with calling anyone out. They just picked up MLB Network, so there’s that. No noticeable delay on channel changes for me. I’d check the channel packages between the two and see which one provides the package with the most channels you like for the price you are willing to spend.

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by scoot on Sep 16, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

we did direct

and when one of the receivers failed, they like $250 dollars to send someone out and repair/replace the unit.
i mentioned that dish would come out and install 3 receivers for free
the woman on the phone said, well, you should do that
and i did

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by sportsman on Sep 16, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damn it

I’m in a school computer lab, and two dudes just sat in right in front of me with a shitload of chinese food and started watching starcraft videos. fffffffuuuuuuu

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by hr on Sep 16, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I mean wtf does that even work

aren’t the IP’s still the same because we’re all on the same network

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by hr on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Firewall NAT

Solves all your problems. also enables the 20 people in the lab to all watch different Youtube videos.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

still likely gonna be the same external IP address

which is probably what is tracked by these type of polls

unless they just slap a cookie on you

by prophetjohn on Sep 16, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give them the link to the unusual deaths

Page from yesterday. There was some Korean dude who died after playing Statcraft for 50 consecutive hours….

by mick311 on Sep 16, 2011 2:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Some commentary on Oscar "Oh-scar" Tavares on the "Up and In" podcast with Goldstein

They’re calling him a definitely major-league hitter with a “controlled violence” swing (they likened it, but did not equate it to, the similar violence of Bryce Harper’s swing), and said his .386 average this year isn’t fluky, he just hits the ball really damn.

Also, I cannot believe his name is pronounced “Oh-scar.”

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

secretly irish?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it better the other way

In a couple years when more casual Cardinals fans in my acquaintance start asking me about Taveras, I’m going to tell him that “he hits the ball really damn.”

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by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Huh?"

“Seriously. He hits it so goddamn. Dude hits the everloving out of the ball.”

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he uses Beethoven for his walk-up music

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Sep 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy probably shouldn't ever play at Wrigley Field...

“One thing I could never stand was to see a filthy, dirty old drunkie, howling away at the filthy songs of his fathers and going blurp blurp in between as it might be a filthy old orchestra in his stinking, rotten guts. I could never stand to see anyone like that, whatever his age might be, but more especially when he was real old like this one was.”

I’m pretty sure that’s a direct quote.

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by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by vivaelpujols on Sep 16, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone ever replace a drive block on a washer?

The Youtube video makes it look simple, but I’m always nervous reality will set in halfway through.

by sdrone on Sep 16, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of washers

Anyone found a better cost replacement for the stupid drawers that go under front loaders? We just bought a new washer and dryer and I’ll be damned if I’m going to spend an extra $500 for a drawer to go under them. However it would be nice to have them raised up a bit.

by OCCardsFan on Sep 16, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last time I ever used the term "front loader"

it was in reference to a certain, uh, support device for females that clasped in front rather than in back. I was rewarded for having the stones to ask to see it.

Damn, I miss college.

by dronemc on Sep 16, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck

you ruined my day

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by hr on Sep 16, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll rec it for truth

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Salas has four of the ten games

6/1, 7/15, 8/16 & 8/22 Salas entered in the ninth with the Cards leading and gave up tieing or go ahead runs.

by ubeddie on Sep 16, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So remove all but the Salas blown games,

and we’re still up a 1/2 game on the Brewers. I can still blame Franktista and the traveling cavalcade of bullpen mismanagement, damn it!

by dronemc on Sep 16, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

...which is massively unfair, of course

We can’t actually expect Salas to blow zero games.

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but if you look at it by blown saves per chance, he's (almost) the least of our worries

I don’t know specifically about 9th inning, but he’s 23 saves/28 chances, while Franklin and Bautista together are 1/6; throw in Miller and it’s 2/9. If those three had had anywhere near the chances Salas got, we’d be looking up at the Reds.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 16, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blown saves aren't a real good metric

Since you can blow a save earlier than the ninth inning. Miller was utter shit, but he didn’t blow 7 ninth inning leads.

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's true

I didn’t mean to say that was the best measure of our bullpen problems – just the easiest #’s I had at hand in response to the Salas 9th inning stat. I was kind of shocked Miller even had 3 save opportunities….

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 16, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap!

To add a little more ugly context, that’s more than 1/4 of his appearances this year.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 16, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

and of course..

in his first game with boston, he records 3 outs on 8 pitches

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 16, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

karmic payback for getting good mileage out of Julio Lugo, I guess

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Sep 16, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

tlr has neither of these

because he thinks that veterans like franklin, batista, and rhodes should be pitching (and of course has no discernible sense of humor)

low in the zone

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup

STL Lineup at PHI (9/16):
Furcal, ss
Craig, rf
Pujols, 1b
Berkman, lf
Freese, 3b
Jay, cf
Molina, c
Schumaker, 2b
Garcia, lhp.

by ubeddie on Sep 16, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

where's punto at 2b when you need him?

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by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Craig as a number two hitter

but I’m still kinda questioning Furcal as a leadoff guy

low in the zone

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 16, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting, craig in right

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense to me

Berkman should play LF with Holliday being injured.

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

*have

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 16, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

phillies

Rollins SS, Victorino CF, Utley 2B, Pence RF, Polanco 3B, Mayberry Jr 1B, Francisco LF, Schneider C, Worley P

no howard, no recognizable pitcher

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vance Worley

He’s been insanely good in his rookie year. Because, you know, the Phillies really needed another dominant starting pitcher.

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

sonuva

ERA/FIP/xFIP in 117 IP: 2.92/3.17/3.60… 2.5 WAR.

the fuck

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damnit

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 16, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

$25MM big side of a platoon
Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard won’t make tonight’s start against the lefthanded Garcia. The former NL MVP is hitting only .228 with three home runs and a .287 on-base percentage in 91 games against lefties. John Mayberry, hitting .295 with seven home runs against lefts in 72 fewer at-bats, starts in place of Howard.

by prophetjohn on Sep 16, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

good lineup

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 16, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure I'm way late on this

But I don’t know how I missed this, and I feel I should post it again in case anyone else also missed it:

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

haha...

what kinda of assholes come up with a rule that if you have less than 3 years service time, you are still subject to rookie hazing?

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 16, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never understood the hazing thing at all, regardless of level - it always seems like assholitude

I’ve had people who’ve played sports (at higher levels than me, meaning above high school tennis – hands off, ladies!!) as well as guys from fraternities try to explain it, and I just don’t get it. If I were one of the hazees I’d be so pissed at my “veteran” teammates I wouldn’t care if the team bus went off a cliff as long as I weren’t on it**. Of course since every team does it I’d have a hard time finding a place to play. There’s also the matter of my complete lack of talent, but I don’t want to get bogged down in details….

**slight exaggeration

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 16, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This seems like a massive overreaction to me

There are hazing practices that are vile, but making your rookies wear silly outfits together is about as benign as it comes.

by mojowo11 on Sep 16, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But what's the point beyond humiliation?

What are they trying to prove by making rookies wear silly outfits? I can understand wanting to make someone prove they really want to belong in whatever organization, but there’s got to be a better way to demonstrate it than that. What you call benign strikes me as pointless humilation – not exactly a team-building exercise.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 16, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

By the way, I'm assuming by "massive overreaction" you're not referring to the bus comment

**footnote = stupid joke, as I’d hope would be fairly obvious given the general VEB vibe.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 16, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

was it hazing or did they do that voluntarily?

i can’t remember another year.. i hope we don’t get to start doing that shit now. or if we do, someone at least get some decent pictures

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by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

poor Jaime...

doesn’t look like he did it voluntarily. I counted 16 players. Many of which look a little too happy.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 16, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT IS NOT PERFECTLY PERPENDICULAR.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert Pujols and Chris Carpenter

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by scoot on Sep 16, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

dude

it’s the last stand of the Mafia.

single tear.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Boog and Colby missed it.

or
it’s not a coincidence that they did this as soon as they left

/reprint

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen Craig best disguised.

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by spants on Sep 16, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the purple one Craig?

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by mattybobo on Sep 16, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe so.

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by spants on Sep 16, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw this before, but had no idea what the hell it was about

then I was like, HEY – that looks like Jon Jay… and that looks like Friese… but it can’t possibly

by peppermartin on Sep 16, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

two questions

who’s in the red in front, and is that Kyle McClellan?

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

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by Tackle Box on Sep 16, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's chambers

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

cleto

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Sep 16, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

and freese manages to still be sexy

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by IHeartBoog on Sep 16, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

HFS

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Sep 16, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE MAFIA IS DEAD. LONG LIVE THE MAFIA.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 16, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can anyone justify pitching

Ryan Franklin, Miguel Batista, Trever Miller, and Brian Tallett a total of 104 times? Anyone care to work out the combined stats on that? I’m still pretty queasy from last night and I don’t think it’d be a good idea.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 16, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

per Strauss

Furcal starting is subject to how he responds in warmups. LINK
Don’t know if that would open the door for Tyler or if Punto would start.

by ubeddie on Sep 16, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way TLR gives Greene a plate appearance.

Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL

by The Continental on Sep 16, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it hasn't happened yet, it won't

I just want to know when Greene entered Tony’s doghouse

FIRE EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Sep 16, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

not starting him is TLR clinging to playoff hopes

not giving him a PA sure looks like a powerplay. “Whatcha gonna do about it Johnny MO”

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Sep 16, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, whenever you think of any situation you think of a family guy clip

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 16, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

but that's hilarious

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 16, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, was it noted here that Wainwright pitched off of a mound today?

Reports say that all of his limbs are still attached.

Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL

by The Continental on Sep 16, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

There's this thing

it’s called a search engine? You type in a word or phrase, and
voila.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 16, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

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