Morning Thread: Chris Carpenter's contract, the Cardinals' 2012 rotation
by DanUpBaby on Sep 13, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
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PrintThe Month of Terrible Deadlines is almost over, but not quite, which means a few more non-posts. In the meantime, a morning thread factoid: with Chris Carpenter's new contract the Cardinals are now paying their 2012 rotation around $43 million. That's not awful, thanks mostly to Jaime Garcia's continued cheapness through what would be his arbitration years, but it's such an impressive number that you don't quite expect the last two guys on the list to be Kyle Lohse and Jake Westbrook.
That said, it's a rotation in which all five pitchers could, at least theoretically, be average at the same time, now that Kyle Lohse has done about what we hoped he would in year three of that contract. It's a rotation that means to offer stability, and between Carpenter's acquisition and John Mozeliak's apparent wining and dining of Rafael Furcal this is either a team that expects to be able to sign Albert Pujols or a team that is deluded enough to believe that the only thing holding them back from competing in 2011 is having Albert Pujols.
I'm not going to ever stop believing that Chris Carpenter's comeback from round two of his career being over is anything more than a mirage I'm experiencing before Ambrose Bierce reveals Carp never left the operating table at all, but it's hard to complain about him getting what amounts to the back half of Lohse's deal after 600 innings with a K:BB ratio of 3.23.
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Without looking at the boxscore, list every Cardinal who played center field last night.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm at work so I can't access YouTube.
So, with that as a caveat, I’m going to assume this video has John Fogerty in it.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
and people say i'm unpredictable
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone on the roster except Tyler Greene.
I still can’t get over the fact that we IBB’d Ludwick (why not bring in Salas if the platoon advantage was so important?) and PH with Corey Patterson.
I don’t expect much from manager, but actively helping the other team win is too much to bear.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 13, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree wholeheartedly.
The run scored by Ludwick ended up being the game winner. I’m not at all a fan of intentional walks and last night was a great example of why.
For a manager that allegedly prepares extensively for games and loves playing the match-ups, it would seem that TLR got what he wanted. Over 2,932 career MLB PAs, Ludwick has an OPS against left-handed pitchers of .744 and an OPS against right-handed pitchers of .809. TLR could have just had Scrabble face Ludwick.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Preach On!
I was screaming at LaRussa. I am normally a LaRussa appologist but my lord is he testing me. At the end of the day I think the $5M spent on him could be better spent elsewhere…
I will admit, when it works I don’t complain, but I think he is like the guy who makes the wrong bets in blackjack when the odds are just slightly against them. When it works, fine you look lucky (not smart!), when it doesn’t it wasn’t a drastic mistake (like splitting Kings or something) but in the long haul of the baseball season – maximize your odds damnit!
For Patterson – I blame Mo. You cannot give him a switch hitter and expect him to be smart enough to know that even though it is lefty v righty it is still not a good matchup…
Sometimes I feel
Tony LaRussa is to managing what Albert Pujols is to baserunning.
A lot of bad choices that when they work make him look like a genius. However, when they don’t, he’s out by 15 feet.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Except what has La Russa done in game that can be considered genius?
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by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
the point is,
I don’t consider much of Albert’s baserunning to be genius either. Yet, there are plenty who have both branded LaRussa a genius and Albert a great baserunner.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Oh
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by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Jay, Craig, Robinson, and Patterson
if you are counting PH for CF as playing CF
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Incorrect answer.
Jay, Schumaker, and Robinson. If Patterson had tied the game, he’d have been the fourth center fielder. Apparently, when a player pinch hits and does play the field, his position for the game is “PH.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 13, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, at least I played along
everyone else just took it as an opportunity to complain about LaRussa.
I didn’t remember Skip in CF and couldn’t figure out why you were pointing out that multiple players filled the position.
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by scoot on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate you playing along.
I just don’t get why La Russa feels the compulsion to use so many different players in the CF position.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
fyp
I just don’t get why La Russa feels the compulsion to use so many different players in the CF position
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
fine young (kitty cat)?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
by Tackle Box on Sep 13, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fyfyp
I just don’t get why La Russa feels the compulsion to use so many different players in the CF position
by prophetjohn on Sep 13, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
fang'dyp
I just don’t get why La Russa feels the compulsion to use so many different players in the CF position. any
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
whack!
zing!
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no need to block out "ire"
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 13, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
if i didn't block out my ire for TLR
I’d hunt him down and punch his lights out.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 13, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i didn't watch anything but the last at bat, but i will try
jay, craig, sugar shane and skip?
by prophetjohn on Sep 13, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
A couple weeks ago
when the Dodgers were in town, I was listening to the after game show on KMOX and they had a sports writer from LA on the program (don’t remember name) but he said that he knew from talking to high level front office personel that the dodgers would go after Carpenter on a multi-year contract if Cards did not sign him.
Their requirements were that if Carpenter would be willing to convert to late inning setup or closer role if and when he was having trouble going past 6 innings as a starter. Their feelings were Carpenter would have no trouble pitching till he was forty or over in that role.
He also said he had interviewed Carpenter before the game and had asked him about his feelings on pitching relief and that Carpenter said that he knew that shift was inevitable at some point soon and he had no trouble with it . He would love to be a setup or closer. Maybe the Cards have the same thoughts.
Right now, I don't see a reason to convert Carpenter to relief work.
He is finishing up his third-best season, behind his Cy Young season of ‘05 and his Cy Young runner-up season of ’09. His 2011 is on par with his 2006, IMO. The Cardinals are paying him an amount that suggests they are planning for his decline as a starter, but this is still a far larger number than any team should pay a relief pitcher. The Cardinals may someday shift Carpenter to relief work, but this contract is for a mid-rotation starting pitcher. What’s more, with all of the potential relief arms in the system (including current MiLB starters), I don’t see the Cardinals paying Carpenter a lot of money to throw 65 innings out of the bullpen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes
by the two year contract and the amount of money, yes it is clear that they see two more years as a starter. With an idea of a lesser deal in a couple of years if he still has the arm to pitch relief.
The Dodgers were hoping to intice him with a three or four year deal at lesser annual salary
confiden that he coud be effective pitcher in one role or the other for that long.
took them long enough
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Can TLR
overmanage for the White Sox next year? The Chicago writers can write about that instead of Ozzie’s latest profane-filled rant. I promise that writing about TLR will be more fun.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 13, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Ozzie's a worse manager than TLR
but he’s got to be a million times more fun to write about.
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- John Wayne
by Tackle Box on Sep 13, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tony is by far the worst manager in baseball when you consider he's prediliction for forcing trades of young, cost controlled, talented players
Trading away Rasmus and Boog is going to cost us 6 WAR next year.
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by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
6 WAR?
Both players combined right now (according to FanGraphs) have 3.6 WAR.
In their best years, they combined for 7.2 WAR (Rasmus 2010, Ryan 2009). Those are so far the best they’ve ever done.
Right now, Jon Jay has a WAR of 2.7. That’s a “loss” of 4.5 WAR. And Rafael Furcal has a WAR of .5 in only 75 games which lessens the “loss” to 4 WAR.
If you look at the numbers Rasmus and Ryan have put up this year and compare them to this years Jay and Furcal, the difference is .4 WAR in favor of Rasmus and Ryan.
I don’t know much about advanced stats, and its possible I’m way off base here, but it seems to me that you’re being a little overzealous with your declaration of 6 lost WAR.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
by Tackle Box on Sep 13, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm saying that Ryan and Rasmus should be projected at around 6 WAR next year
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by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to grade Rasmus to Patterson and the fourth outfielders.
Since Jay is replacing Rasmus, someone has to replace Jay. And that’s where the trade REALLY hurts.
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 13, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But, starters get more time to accumulate WAR than starters
theoretically speaking.
In other words, if Jay’s playing time is reduced, his WAR would be lower. It’s highly unlikely he’d accumulate that much WAR as a reserve. He’d probably be closer to last year’s 1.4 or maybe even lower since you have to figure he did take over (although, not that fantastically) for Ludwick for the last 2 months last year helping his total.
Anyway, I highly doubt we see Corey Patterson on the team next year anyway, so that’s kind of moot. The only reason they got him this year was for depth. TLR just overplayed him.
BTW, how about no ex-cubs on the team next year? What’dya say?
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
We better not have any ex-Cubs on our team next year.
I think we may get Aaron Miles though.
/shoots face off
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 13, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget trading Haren because we needed an ace..
He often pushes us to trade young talent for less able older talent just because its older.
Might I suggest there is but one "Ozzie" in Cardinaldom and that his last name isn't Guillen?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 13, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I cannot remember
a manager that consistantly puts himself into bad situations and constantly shorts his roster in late and extra inning games more than La Russa.
by ridgesee on Sep 13, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I can only think of Joe Girardi
as a manager who will do that … but not nearly as often as LaRussa.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Sep 13, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
my venting on Tony
his misuse of the bullpen.
1. On Sunday, the Cards had a 3-run lead going into the 9th. K-Mac had pitched the 8th in 13 pitches. Motte had pitched in both of the first two games (32 pitches total). In my view, a great chance to let K-mac finish the game and give Motte a night off. No, Tony brings Motte in to pitch the 9th (it was a save situation, after all, and no one but your closer can possibly pitch the 9th when it is a save situation /sarcasm). Motte could have had a night off or, at worst, been forced into the game if K-Mac flopped trying to close.
2. I think Tony’s pitching moves last night were built around giving Motte the night off. He seemed to be saving Salas for the 9th. K-Mac pitches the 7th and only throws 7 pitches. Yet, instead of saying “I can try to give K-Mac another inning,” he brings in the parade of relievers to try to get through the 8th.
My alternative is to have given Motte the day off on Sunday (and I was complaining about using him at the time). Then last night, it could have been K-Mac (or the parade in the 7th if Mac wasn’t deemed available), then Salas in the 8th, and Motte in the 9th. A much better chance to win, in my view, than what Tony did. His continued misuse of the bullpen just astounds me.
Last night, IMO, the most confounding move was removing K-Mac in favor of Dotel.
Given the number of pinch-hitters available on the Pirate bench (“the plank?”), why not stick with K-Mac who is just as effective against left-handed batters as right-handed batters?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
amen
he blew through the 7th easily, he can clearly pitch multiple innings, he’s effective against both RH and LH hitters, why take him out? dumb, dumb, dumb…
(and then to compound that mistake with pinch hitting with Corey effin’ Patterson, sheesh. We all knew how that AB was going to end, exactly as it did, swinging at a ball in the dirt.)
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 13, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of the South Park episode about Mormons (no religion!)
Tony La Russa managing! Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!
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by jd is legend on Sep 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
uh, guys, JFK to Phoenix flight diverted due to "security concerns"
to Lambert.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
(so *now* we're a real airport, oh I see)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
(situation is defused, as I understand it)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
TLR's gone?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
We are a fly over state.
This is improper
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 13, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
damn now phoenix is involved?
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Does anyone have a link for a 2011 xBABIP calculator?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'd assume so that batted ball rates are normalized against the league average.
But I’m not certain.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
no, but this (should hit) calculator is pretty cool
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmRmNkh6Y9uzdGFnd0RvbmNndHJjLURwRHU2V0RMdmc#gid=4
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you might have to make a copy, I'm not sure.
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possibly nextdef'd
goold has some pretty interesting stuff about computer generated material for sporting events.
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 13, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
no, Sabathia will be our highest paid starter.
DOOOOOOMED
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Though that rotation would be awesome in 2013
Wainwright
Sabathia
Carpenter
Jaime
Shelby
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that's a ~50M rotation
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 13, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, not much more than this year I guess.
I just don’t like the idea of it mostly being tied up in sabathia’s contract.
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rotation + pujols + holliday = 90M
sweeeeeeet
fire tony larussa
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 13, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
when you have those seven
who needs the other 18?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention Cox+Wong+Jackson+Pham+Jay+Craig+Taveras
will still be cheap and probably ready.
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You forgot Salas, Sanchez, Reifer, Cleto
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Dickson
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well if we're going that route
Nick Stavinoha
/low blow
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Flagged!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
who could possibly forget
Tyler Greene? Oh……wait…….TLR’d
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Scrabble's not exactly filling me with confidence.
Descalso. That’s not a great team, but it’s not terrible either.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
full of average players(some with potential) with a lot of really good playerss.
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That's really about all you can ask for.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and then I guess Carlos replaces Carp after 2013
success!
though Wainwright would need replaced as well.
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that would be pretty sweet
Regardless of how ridiculously it would be.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Sep 13, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
of course it's ridiculous
that’s post zombpocalypse
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Zombinoha
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 13, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Rick Zombo better.
I’ll even forgive his Red Wing days.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
And on a related note.
I hope there’s no NBA this year.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
why? i keep hearing this.
why do people root against sports existing?
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I already don't pay too much attention to the NBA and NHL
they could cancel or play their seasons and I wouldn’t really notice.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Here's my reason.
1) I’m not at all interested in the NBA anymore. Used to be, but something changed and it just doesn’t interest me anymore
but that’s not why I root against it’s existence. this is why…
2) By having no NBA for espn and other outlets to beat into the ground, that hole has to be filled with something and I’m hoping the NHL grabs a lot of the ground back that it lost.
I’ve had a very difficult time regaining my interest in the NHL and I’m a little saddened by that. I’ve tried but the game has become too hard to catch for me in any regularity especially since espn dropped it for the NBA. I’m hoping espn (really, the only reason to watch espn is when there is a sporting event on) fills some of the holes created by the NBA with NHL games.
It might be a pipe dream, but I can hope.
So, I’m not rooting for the fall of the NBA. I’m just rooting for an opportunity for the NHL.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
That doesn't necessarily mean they haven't lost significant ground in the past 10 years or so
Much of it is the NHL’s own doing, but the NHL, at least in the US, seems almost in danger of losing major sport status.
I would argue a major cause for this was the NHL’s decision to move their nationally televised games away from ESPN. That and ESPN’s acquisition of rights to broadcast NBA games has led ESPN to seemingly incessantly hype the NBA while treating the NHL like an after thought.
The relative lack of coverage on the major multisport highlights show, i.e. SportsCenter, makes it much more difficult to be a casual hockey fan.
I don't watch Sportscenter anymore.
I seldom watch Baseball Tonight, either.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'll catch PTI if I'm home and bored at 4:30 in the afternoon
other than that I only watch live action stuff on ESPN.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
I... have no cable
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Yeah, it's fine 95% of the time
Between ilemi.eu, atdhenet.tv, and justin.tv, I get all the sports I need. I can download any show I need about an hour after it airs. Not too bad
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there's a joke in there somewhere
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick Pitch w/ Ahmed Fareed
on MLBNetwork is actually pretty good. Mostly highlights and little in the way of former player grandstanding.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I once caught a little bit of a highlight show on MLBN
that featured the live calls of the radio broadcast over video highlights. Does this still exist? Because I liked it quite a bit.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Quick Pitch is really good, they give a lot of time to each game
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by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick Pitch is quite nice.
You have to be very careful watching it, though, because if you don’t watch yourself you could very well end up catching some of MLB Network’s other programming, usually involving Mitch Williams saying something stupid. Or Sean Casey saying something stupid. Or Harold Reynolds saying something stupid.
I’m so, so disappointed in MLB Network.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Sep 14, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes it did, actually.
It did in the 90s.
But the lockout killed it.
And much like what bailorg said, losing espn hurt the NHL a ton. Although, I don’t remember it as the NHL choosing not to be with espn as much as I remember espn jumping ship on the NHL and signing up the NBA to fill that void. Up until the lockout, NBA was only on NBC and TNT.
And after the NHL lost espn, they were really stuck without a network for a little while until NBC signed on and then OLN which later became Versus.
The NHL went from being in millions of homes almost every night to being in basically tens of thousands. If you didn’t live in your teams home market, forget about ever seeing them on tv once or twice a year.
Btw, drone, I’m curious how old you are. I read on your profile you live in the nw ‘burbs of Chicago (I’m in the western ’burbs) and if you are old enough, you would remember the local blackout Bill Wirtz put on local Blackhawk games. If the Hawks were playing at home, the only way to watch them was to go to the game. But once he died, his son changed that policy immediately.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
You'd only have to be 3 years old
to remember that.
The NHL left ESPN in what, 2004?
I can honestly say I’ve never seen more than 1 hockey game a week on ESPN, ever. “National Hockey Night.” I certainly don’t remember games “almost every night”.
I'm just saying when ESPN had the NHL, they'd cover it like a major sport
So essentially you would get significant highlights every night on SportsCenter.
maybe Azru really is a
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
text from my buddy
“Just touched my first major league arm. Pretty cool.”
Gotta admit, I’m pretty jealous that he is in a clinic known enough that major leaguers seek them out for their rehab.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that sounds kind of dirty
or maybe i need to eat lunch
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
of course not
that would mean a loose clubhouse
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
having somebody stick something up you ass
will make you anything but loose
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
your*
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been to a proctologist
so that was a totally patient related statement. Get your mind outta tha gutter, Y2S.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
this may not be possible
besides, no lunch yet
my inner censor may be starving
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing this statement
couple with the earlier ones would lead one to surmise that you could eat the ass out of a dead rhino?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
of course not!
rhinos are endangered
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
on a related note
my new floor would look awesome with a polar bear rug, so if anyone is going to the zoo anytime soon. . .
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that may or may not be what I was implying.
interpret it as you wish. I just want a polar bear skin rug. Head included.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
It shouldn't be too hard at the rate
the ice cap melting.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the real thing
like the canadian wildlife-permit real thing
costs as much as a small car
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I could go for some Junior Mints, though.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's why I added a qualifying sentence
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Larussa has greatly diminished my enjoyment of baseball
I can’t really forgive him for that.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 13, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
i guess it's good
that the only part of the game i saw was a replay of furcal’s hit and patterson’s at bat. i didn’t really get the opportunity to get emotionally invested in it. the game was a kiddie pool full of shit that i avoided sitting in. i definitely smelled it, though and it was foul
Hey Rooey
check this out. Beatles at the Ridge
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Too far =(
But thanks! Looks interesting
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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one of my patient's told me about it
allegedly the Beatles flew into Walnut Ridge and had a maroon suburban pick them up and take them to a hideout in Piggot, AR. For some reason they think that this event was big enough to commemorate with a huge sculpture. Sounds like a big waste of time and money to me.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
This would be accurate, I would say
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which part?
that it is a big waste of time and money or the tale about hiding out in Piggot?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Waste of time and money
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Paul McCartney's sister or cousin or some damn female relation
lived in Benton, IL.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was George Harrison's sister, actually.
My wife was a Benton Ranger — she showed me the house during my first visit to the lovely little town. Benton also has a gallows near the town square to commemmorate the last hanging in Illinois.
I'm not sure that's still here
I’ve never seen it.
I grew up in a small town about 30m away.
where at?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrisburg
outside of town, out in the country actually.
Been thru there a few times.
Usually on our way to Garden of the Gods. I’m from up by Salem.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Iuka, actually
Sits in between Salem and Flora
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be damned.
Never thought I’d see that on here. Of course, I never would’ve imagined I went to HS with fritz’s brother in law either. Aren’t you from Centralia? Somebody on here is from Centralia.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What year?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Too young
but you probably know some people I do though. 88 here
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Very cool. My brother
does some optometry work int Harrisburg.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I knew it was one of those two.
Never spent much time down there myself, unless it was to watch the drag races.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
George Harrison's sister manages a Beatles tribute show in Branson.
Liverpool Legends. They were pretty good.
Isn’t Piggot AR a hole in the wall kinda town? My dad was married 7 times. All of the marriages took place in Piggot AR.
A slick way to outfigure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure.
Dorrel Norman Elvert "Whitey" Herzog
Is she married to Jo Jo Johnson?
sorry, that’s the only person from Benton I know of and it’s not exactly something noteworthy to know who he is.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Isn't Benton home
to the most northern active chapter of the KKK?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
pretty much
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's so splintered these days, it's hard to classify what groups are what
but there is some active activity outside of Peoria. And, I’d imagine, everywhere.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Fritz: KKK expert
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I'm surprised they don't spontaneously combust.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember when I was a kid
there was a giant furor about them having a big Klanmeet out in the country a little ways from here. I think it got enough bad press that they actually bugged out.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Pekin is pretty well know to have deep ties into the Klan.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Maine?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Not Indiana?
that was the major hub of activity for the northern Klan in the middle of the century.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
You can never say he wasn't active in his community.......
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
the klan has some of the dumbest vocabulary
i’ve ever seen [wiki link]. but whatever. that’s hardly the biggest reason to dislike them intensely.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Tango on the Carpenter extension
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think Tango is just going by ERA there also - IE what the average team would have paid him
Carp by xFIP is still pretty elite.
13.5 fWAR over the past 3 years.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No matter how you slice it, it's a pretty damn good deal for us
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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You and Tango are ignoring his...
reputation as uber-fragile. I don’t think he gets much more than what he got.
He hasn't been fragile in awhile
He’s 13th in innings pitched over the past 3 seasons. I wouldn’t say he has much more of an injury risk than any other pitcher.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah well... Your granny hasn't slept around in 50 years...
but all the boys still think of her as a big slut.
my granny's dead you asshole
she got canceraids.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
this was a pretty interesting post over there
how to make a nl team switch to the al
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
That doesn't make any sense...
if they’re sticking with the six division format. A NL Central team has to move, or they would have to make multiple moves. The Cubs, Cardinals, Pirates, and Reds are NL stalwarts dating back 100 years. Not sure if that matters… Houston is also a good western division team because it sort of works geographically. They could move an NL Central team to the AL Central, then send KC to the AL West, but again that’s a couple moves. Houston is one simple switch, and since it’s a soulless city and a soulless team, it doesn’t matter what league it’s in or where it plays.
Also, it plays in a soulless mallpark.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 13, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I went to a game there once, it was actually pretty nice
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by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
he said in the comments
that an nl west team could switch to the al and then houston would switch to the nl west. you’d have to limit the pool of people who could switch i guess, but using money to incentivize it in the first place sounds interesting to me.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I wouldn't want to see any large markets (except for Houston, I guess) go over...
seems like that would just exacerbate the imbalance. The Dodgers and Giants would have to be off limits.
how would you feel
about eliminating the divisions or, even more drastically, eliminating the leagues? i think at the very least re-alignment is needed but baseball, perhaps more than any other sport, is loath to change.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Do a one league round robin a la the English Premier League?
I’m kind of a traditionalist. I like the two leagues and the world series, but I could see getting rid of the divisions… wouldn’t miss those at all.
I’d do a 15 team league, top 3 go to the playoffs, round 1 is a best of three pitting third place against second place, then the winner plays the first place team in a best of nine or eleven, all at the first place team’s ballpark. Share the gate revenue somehow if this is unfair. Then go the world series.
I enjoy the playoffs, but I hate that the Phillies have to do anything to “prove” that they are the 2011 NL champions. We had a season. The Phillies won. Done.
interesting perspective.
given home field advantage and the disenfranchisement of the not-home teams’ fanbases, this strategy doesn’t look appealing on its face to me but it is nonetheless intriguing.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Gotta balance...
excitement of playoffs and rewarding excellence in the regular season. The current system succeeds with the former and is a total failure with the latter.
Given what’s happened over the course of the season, the Brewers and Braves have no basis for playing the Phillies in a “playoff,” let alone whine about not getting to host a game.
i think there is a necessary balance to strike
between rewarding good play over the course of the year and a relatively nebulous quality i’ll term “the good of the fans”. i generally like your proposal other than the all the games at one ballpark facet. i don’t think that serves the interests of the fans very well.
but i could be wrong.
and i do acknowledge that there needs to be some massive joggling about going on with the playoff system in baseball.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
DG breaks down the
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 13, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
The 2001 Mariners only allowed a .260 BABIP to opponents
That defense was ridiculous
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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same word for ours this year too
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
veb is broken
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
our collective spirits
or the functionality of the site itself?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
ha
but really, yeah i can’t reply to any posts
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
except mine?
that’s a bummer. i’m sorry.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
wait
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
LINEUP:
1) Furcal, SS
2) Jay, CF
3) Pujols, 1B
4) Holliday, LF
5) Berkman, RF
6) Schumaker, 2B
7) Molina, C
8) Descalso, 3B
9) Carpenter, P
Remind me again why didn’t they call Matt Carpenter up to play third base when Freese was given the night off…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
These nightly lineups read to me like the team and furcal
have all but inked a 2012 contract.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
What does it tell you about Schumaker?
Wait, don’t answer that…
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Matt Carpenter not playing.
Tyler Greene not playing.
This is insanity.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
the weird thing is I would think la russa would love carpenter as a bench piece
like he loves descalso. left-handed, able to be pushed into other positions.
He walks too much
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 13, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't make productive outs if you make fewer outs to begin with.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
who could've possibly predicted such a small amount of PA's
for Carpenter after the great spring training he had?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 13, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
it really is.
i am usually able to restrain myself and maintain an air of emotional distance with respect to baseball decisions by the cardinals that i view negatively. however, with the cardinals still in striking distance of the wild card, it’s getting pretty difficult for me.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
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