St. Louis Cardinals Complete Sweep of Milwaukee Brewers, Now 7.5 Games Back
by bgh on Sep 1, 2011 7:34 PM EDT
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PrintAs the Brewers distanced themselves from the Cardinals in the National League Central standings over recent weeks, there was always a glimmer of hope amongst the Cardinal faithful that was expressed with a series of "if's." If...If...If...If... The first "if" in that string was completed this afternoon in Milwaukee as the Cardinals completed a sweep of the first-place Brewers with an 8-4 victory. This feat--and, with the way the Brew Crew have played at home this season, it is a feat--the Cardinals have trimmed a 10.5-game deficit in the standings to 7.5 games, with only 25 left to play.
Rafael Furcal and Albert Pujols started things off with a bang for the second consecutive game. Yesterday, Furcal led off with a solo homer and Pujols followed suit; today, Furcal led off with a homer (this time, from the left-handed batter's box) and Pujols followed suit. As they did yesterday, the Cards held on for a victory after taking a first-inning lead of 2-0.
For Pujols, today's was a throwback performance. It was the type of game that we have all been pining for since his sluggish start to the 2011 campaign, with the WAR Maching going all ridiculous on the Brewers and, in doing so, powering the club to victory even though rookie starter Cotton Dickson only managed to last 3.1 innings against the Brewers' bats. Pujols's 4 for 4 effort caused his batting average to rise from .286 to .292. His 5 RBI raised his seasonal total from 79 to 84. His two dingers (he clubbed a grand slam, as well) strengthened his grip of National League leader board by upping his total to 34 for 2011.
The win is due just as much to a strong effort from the bullpen as it is to Pujols's heroics. Octavio Dotel stepped up in a big way. The veteran relieved Dickson in the fourth and threw two and two-thirds scoreless innings that included 5 strikeouts. Then Tony La Russa admirably went to his (kind of) closer Fernando Salas in the seventh with the top of the Milwaukee lineup due up. He stayed with Salas through the eighth, as well. Even though Salas gave up a solo home run to Prince Fielder, it was the right tactical decision from the manager. Then, ahead 8-4, La Russa brought in Jason Motte for the ninth and he was able to close the game out despite things getting a bit interesting.
Suddenly, another season of .300 BA, 30 HR, and 100 RBI doesn't quite so far-fetched for Pujols just as the possibility of the playoffs this October feels a little less impossible. After all, such a miraculous turn-of-events now requires one less "if."
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I glad you posted that, I was wondering if my eye's were playing tricks on me
or I was still in a dream.. but damnn that is goood news for sure!
Let’s hope we can play just as good against Cincy.
by Tuning in from Korea on Sep 1, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
OT
Giada de Laurentis is so damn sexy.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/28/2011)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 1, 2011 7:40 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Also, it's De Laurentiis, with two i's
I always remember this because her grandfather is Dino De Laurentiis.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
well
dissenting opinions which turn into a mock spoiler thread.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
same post
So George mentioned that he things the Cards only winning 82 games this year is laughable.
Does anyone else think this team will win somewhere between 81 and 89 games and won’t be surprised with either final?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I still can't explain why I'm mad that they're on pace to only win 86!
They’re exceeding my expectations and I still feel let down!
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
none of us expected lance to MVP all over the place
this team should win 90
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
I don't really see a lot of underacheiving going on...
unless Mo thought Theriot was actually functional at SS. I suppose Westbrook and the early-season bullpen…
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
YesWeOquendo's Shit That Went Wrong v2011!
1. theriot
2. batista/franklin
3a. injury (not really anyones fault) (oh! also if waino is in this list it goes up to #1)
3b. late game substitutions, especially in extra inning affairs
4. baserunning/double plays
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
so,
1. TLR
2. TLR
3a. G’sOB
3b. TLR
4. players in general/lack of team speed
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo was the one who publicly projected Theriot as the starting SS
and this was before Boog was traded.
when you look at the season
you can’t complain at all about Berkman or Holliday but they have cooled off quite a bit since they’re early hot starts with both hitting .265-.267 (along with Freese) since the ASB. That’s NOT why we are 7.5 back today. It may be why we are 7.5 back instead of, maybe, 5.5 back.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't it also be that their hot start (especially Berkman) is the reason we're 7.5 games back instead of 9.5?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I still think Lance Berkman by himself has already clinched.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's the thread where I found out about wide view
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/28/2011)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 1, 2011 9:53 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
damn
I was drunk that night
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/28/2011)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 1, 2011 9:53 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not a fan and prefer the mobile site
The app doesn’t preview articles or state how many new comments. The downsides to the mobile site are the inabilities to Rec, flag, and upload photos, the app solves NONE of those and the fact that it puts you back to SBNation home everytime you use it is cumbersome
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 12:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OT is easier to comment on the app
Other than that, it’s not really an upgrade.
I’m hoping for a update that works out the kinks ASAP
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/28/2011)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 2, 2011 7:16 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Disagree.
She’s funny-looking.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 1, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 12:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Los Mets?
I knew the Marlins did that on Friday, didn’t know the Mets had picked it up.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
Tony's not going to play any September call-ups now I bet.
From the blackhole of the Iowa TV market.
BOO!!!
this makes me sick.
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Holy fuck.
Dotel has a 1.14 FIP before this game and if my math is right, now it’s 1.01. Without tonight’s performance, he had been worth 0.5 fWAR and I’m guessing tonight’s will add something to that.
Holy fuck.
Considering Tony's use of Rzepczynski
Dotel has become the de facto centerpiece of the Colby trade so atleast he’s pitching out of his mind
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 1:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FESPN's recap of the game
says this was Albert’s 42nd grand slam of his career. That would put it 19 ahead of Lou Gehrig’s (putative) all time lead of 23. It’s actually his 12th (I think), but that moves APu from tied for 35th all-time to tied for 27th all-time.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 1, 2011 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
That was FutureESPN telling you how many Albert will eventually hit.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 1, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what the F stands for
Duh
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 1:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why does this team insist on making my brain hurt
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/28/2011)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 1, 2011 7:56 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
goold says we have to 20-5 while the brewers go 12-12
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that is so depressing
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He stole my math!!!
I demand retributions!!!
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Or the bewers can go 0-24
And we will just go 16-9
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/28/2011)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 1, 2011 8:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how many months the Cards have been 7 games over .500 in the last 10 years.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure, I just find it depressing we were 10-12 games over .500 in may and we're only 9 games over it now.
and I imagine there are a lot of months we did that.
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Yeah, I remember when we hit 12 games over in June (?)
thinking things were looking pretty nice. Didn’t expect we’d only be 9 over on Sept 1.
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 1, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's happened a bit.
April 2010: 15-8
April 2009: 16-7
August 2009: 20-6
April 2008: 18-11
April 2006: 17-8
April 2005: 15-7
May 2005: 18-11
July 2005: 17-9
August 2005: 19-11
June 2004: 19-9
July 2004: 20-5
August 2004: 21-7
May 2002: 18-10
July 2002: 17-9
September 2002: 21-6
Ye-haw, 2005.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But not 7!
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at it this we
we control 3 of those games. So, other than sweeping the Brewers again, the Brewers have to go 12-9 and we have to go 17-5.
Doable.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
way late to the pity party but
If we take 2 of 3 from the reds, and brewers lose their series with the astros, that would put us six and a half back. Then, another sweep starting monday and we’re 3 and a half back. From there, I think, it could get interesting. That’s basically what I think it takes to have a shot at this thing. Hey another interesting week of baseball! More than I was looking forward to last tuesday.
What?
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Grounded to Short, booted by Bonifacio.
At first base: M. Batista.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Then Reyes grounds one right past Boni
he barely moved. Terrible.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
At second base: M. Batista.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Whee! Tejada HBP
At third base: M. Batista.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No outs, here comes Duda, Duda.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Duda, Duda, BB.
Scoring: M. Batista.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the slowest, most casual trips around the bases ever.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hensley has absolutely no idea now.
And here comes Jack with the hook.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
2 IP, plus 4 batters in the 3rd without recording an out.
If Los Mets cash in here, M. Batista is in pretty good shape for a win.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And Hensley goes Zambrono on the drink cooler.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wright basehit up the middle. Awful throw by CF. 3 - 2 Los Mets.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
why do we want the marlins to win?
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So they can get hot and beat the Braves and Brewers.
Plus: Roger Dean Project.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, got it
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Also, it gives me a good reason to cheer for Mike Stanton.
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Passed ball now. 4 - 2 Mets.
Just terrible baseball by the Marlins here.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You are not accounting for the revitalized Marlins offense
that is going to go 24-3 in September; a sweep by the Pirates keeping them from a perfect month.
Okay, maybe they’ll lose a handful to the Mets and Nationals.
Still not a werewolf.
Purdy much.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooo. New toy on the Mets broadcast.
Pitch differential. I think someone had mentioned here before, but I hadn’t seen it yet.
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
they need to pick up at least one game this weekend
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Pick up a game this weekend, sweep the Brewers Mon-Wed, and suddenly we're 3.5 back
How crazy would that be?
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 1, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
that is still so much
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Then it's only a game a week.
Totally doable. Gotta get there first, though.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
if he explodes in a rube goldberg type reaction that begins with ryan braun tripping
we’re golden
would've.
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I like getting to read good news on here
Corey Patterson is the new Larry Bigbie
by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Sep 1, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
Your sig is an insult to Larry Bigbie.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Sep 1, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The other NL Central longshot - Pittsburgh's chances of finishing over .500
After their August tankjob, they now have to go 20-5 to be over .500, 19-6 to make it to .500.
the brewers could collapse in september the same way the pirates did in august
…..right?
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1964!
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
PNC Park is in an action movie. so there's that.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Just got home...watching the game.
So when did the Cardinals acquire Rickey Henderson to hit leadoff?
was it enjoyable?
I forgot to record the game, thought, oh well, I’ll watch the replay tonight, wrong, football, replay is on a midnight. OK, that’s still good, I can record the replay and watch in the morning on fast forward… They cut out the whole 2nd inning, the bottom of the 4th (Dickson coming out, Dotel in), the whole 5th, the top of the 6th (Holliday’s HR) and maybe more (I got pissed and deleted it). I know they commonly skip “dull” innings, but the game didn’t run that long, did it?
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Former Cardinal WAR leaders
1. Dan Haren – 5.6
2. Brendan Ryan – 2.2
3. Chris Narveson – 1.9
4. Miguel Cairo – 1.7
5. Jason Marquis – 1.5
6. Scott Rolen – 1.3
7. Aaron Miles – 1.2
8. Rick Ankiel – 1.1
9. Darren Oliver – 1.0
10. Penny/Pinero – 0.9
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
colby has 0.0 since going to Toronto
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
make that #12...theres a tie for #10
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
oh crap!
polanco!!! 2.3!! how could i forget about him….love that guy. damn it!
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
some entries seem blank.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So former Cardinal prospects don't count?
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Luddy's the closest I've been able to come up with so far. 0.8
Colby in TOR: .216/.239/.398 3HR 22K/3BB 8/25 - And on the DL
by The Continental on Sep 1, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
he's next...
next closest is a Blue Jay…former non-prospect, never actually played a game for us….he’s at 0.5
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
-0.1
Walrus ranks about 31st….just behind Matt Pagnozzi
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i loved it on the condition that he either re-signed with us,
or we won the world series. Even his contract doesn’t look bad compared to what Jason Werth got
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, fair enough.
I was on board as long as he re-signed with us, as well. I was under the impression that when we got him, it was somewhat a formality for some reason.
it's the only one I had up my sleeve.
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So since Polanco was actually #2 and there was a tie for #10...
Here are #’s 12 on up…the last of the players with positive WAR
12. Ryan Ludwick – 0.8
13. Mike McCoy – 0.5
13. Edgar Renteria – 0.5
15. Adam Kennedy – 0.3
15. Luke Gregerson – 0.3
17. Blake Hawksworth – 0.2
17. Jack Wilson – 0.2
19. Cesar Izturis – 0.1
19. Eliezar Alfonzo – 0.1
19. Josh Kinney – 0.1 (yes, he’s back in the majors with the White Sox)
19. Russell Branyan – 0.1
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on whether you're looking at fWAR or bWAR
bWar has Perez at 1.4 for 2011
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 1, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how to do tables, and I don't know (or really care) how either WAR is calculated, but
Player bWAR fWAR
Alfonzo, Eliezer -0.4 0.1
Ankiel, Rick 1.5 1.1
Batista, Miguel* -0.8 -0.5
Branyan, Russell 0.1 0.1
Cairo, Miguel 1.5 1.7
Crisp, Coco 1.7 2.0
Gregerson, Luke 0.1 0.3
Haren, Dan 3.7 5.6
Hawksworth, Blake 0.1 0.2
Izturis, Cesar 0.2 0.1
Kennedy, Adam 0.4 0.3
Kinney, Josh 0.1 0.1
Ludwick, Ryan 0.4 0.8
Marquis, Jason -0.3 1.5
McCoy, Mike 0.2 0.5
Miles, Aaron 0.9 1.2
Narveson, Chris 1.2 1.9
Oliver, Darren 1.3 1.0
Penny, Brad 0.7 0.9
Pineiro, Joel -1.5 0.9
Polanco, Placido 1.1 2.3
Rasmus, Colby** 0.6 1.3
Renteria, Edgar -0.3 0.5
Rolen, Scott 0.6 1.3
Ryan, Brendan 2.3 2.2
Wallace, Brett -0.6 -0.1
Walters, P.J.** -0.1 -0.1
Wilson, Jack 1.2 0.2
- - Batista’s numbers are based solely on his time with St. Louis this year, since tonight is his first shot with the Mets.
- - Rasmus’ and Walters’ numbers are combined for both StL and Tor.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 1, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that was supposed to be one asterisk for Batista, and two for Raz and Walters.
Shoulda done a preview.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Sep 1, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're giving TLR undeserved praise
For bringing in Salas when he did. I think he did it simply because Motte is now in the closer role and Salas is in the 7th/8th inning role. Who was up for the Brewers was irrelevant.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 1, 2011 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
That's a good point.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Sep 1, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
its like double switches
he’s on autopilot once roles are assigned
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
and he still messed up
by leaving him in for a 2nd inning. Salas has yet to show, imo, that he can pitch more than one inning
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 2, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I might have been banned from FR since my comments aren't posting.
You can’t silence the TG Fanclub!!!
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I approved them
I hope you didn’t get me in trouble with the robot.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
How did Dickson do?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 1, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
He didn't make Dick proud...
let’s put it that way.
Cardinals magic number: 33
Brewers magic number: 18
About as well as one would expect.
3.1 IP, 3 R, 3 ER, 6 H, 1 BB, 3 SO, 2 HR
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 1, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not so bad considering what he was up against.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 1, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The 2 HR from a sinkerballer is not good.
The 3 strikeouts were somewhat pleasantly surprising.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 1, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a AAA sinkerballer pitching on 3 days rest.
Considering he was being thrown to the wolves, that’s not so bad.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 1, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The short rest is important to remember
really wasn’t fair to the guy to make him do that. It wasn’t a perfect outing, but he did what he needed to despite a tough assignment.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
yep, you need a tired arm to throw effective sinkers.
But when you get too tired you start elevating and that’s usually when HRs happen.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I was expecting just a bit better
Something like 5 innings, 3 runs. Dickson looks like bullpen material to me.
Dotel was really good today.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 1, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i expected 5 innings 5 runs...
was quite happy to see him get pulled when he did. This bullpen is beastly.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Dickson is bullpen material.
And I think he would be pretty decent.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 1, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
what was his velocity out of the pen?
I think he was topping out around 90 today. Kinda disappointing for such a tall guy
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That's about right when he starts.
I remember his gassing it up a little in his final relief appearance, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Velocity chart
here, with just two games’ worth of data. So, maybe as a reliever he would throw 91-92?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The numbers
20-5 vs 12-12 does seem dismal, but there is a more encouraging way to look at it. The Birds have to sweep the Brewers in Saint Lou. That is unlikely, but not as unlikely as sweeping them in Beer Town, which they just did. Assuming that sweep, if the Brewers go 10-11 in the rest of their games (not unreasonable), the Cards need only go 15-7. 15-7 and 10-11 looks a lot more doable.
We're way down in a hole
we need some crazy, improbable things to happen. For now, it’s at least fun that the team is playing well enough to let us hope for those crazy improbable things.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Knowing the Cardinals
they will lose 2 of 3 to the Brewers, then win 11 straight and still pick up 6 games in standings.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Know your Cardinals
If they’re going to blow the thing, they’ll sweep the Brewers because those matter more. However, they’ll surround the Brewers part of the homestand with a 2-4 record in the rest of it.
Kolten Wong with a homer, HBP, and walk so far tonight
Average up to .346.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Sep 1, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions
looking forward to getting lei'd in Busch
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I look forward to that all the time.
oh, wait………
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 1, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you can tell i'm being subtle
because did not start sentence with his name
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
smooth
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Other findings while looking up former cardinals...
highest batting average – Aaron Miles – .286 (Pagnozzi also at .286 in 25 PA’s)
highest OBP – Daric Barton – .347 (Pagnozzi at .348)
highest SLG% – Miguel Cairo – .410 (Rasmus .415 in 92 PA’s)
highest OPS – Miguel Cair .738 (Brett Wallace 2nd at .720)
Most HR’s – Ryan Ludwick – 12 (Ankiel, Kennedy, and Cairo tied for 2nd with 7)
Most RBI’s – Ryan Ludwick – 71 (Polanco 2nd with 41)
Lowest WAR – Felipe Lopez, -0.8 (Joe Mather and Julio Lugo each at -0.4)
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
at least I spared you all the best pitching stats....
heres a hint…they all belong to 1 guy
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm just weirded out that the prophecy may be coming to pass.
it was based on nothing.
oh wait, there was a vision, and a bright light, and there was bacon involved. /fabrication
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
right,
and thats the best…
Lets just say that out of about 25 position players…Cairo and Wallace were the only ones with an OPS above .700
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
add Coco Crisp to the list of .700+ OPS players
checking in at .714. also 2nd with 47 RBI’s and 7 HR’s and 4th in WAR at 2.0
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine he also leads in SB.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
g++ is good
I learned to use it back in my college days. Same with Visual .NET but I’d rather avoid that.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 1, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool Standings
The Cardinals’ chances of making the playoffs are now at 4.2%, up from 1.1% on August 27. Note the slight uptick at the end of this chart:
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it's so cute and ...
was in the pool?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That chart and my pants
have the same uptick.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heartening News
From Matthew Leach, Wainwright expects to throw his first full bullpen session within two weeks:
Adam Wainwright anticipates he will throw his first bullpen session since undergoing elbow surgery within the next two weeks. Wainwright has begun throwing off a mound, but to a standing catcher only. He has one more full week of doing that before he advances to throwing a regular bullpen session, with a catcher in a crouch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No.
I’m saying there’s a 4.2% chance any Cardinal pitches in the playoffs. There’s 0.0% chance Wainwright pitches in the playoffs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
mattyfrommo's version is better
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Sep 1, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So if we can't sign Pujols,
who is down for throwing a pile of money at Darvish?
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
This is one of the things I fear may happen if we don't sign Pujols
We end up overpaying some other guy in a misguided attempt at a consolation prize for our fans and/or TLR.
so taguchi likely cheaper...........
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If we don't sign Pujols, clean house and start over
Pop Warner promoted to manager. Jim Edmonds hitting coach. So Taguchi bench coach/assistant mascot. Vince Coleman can be one of the base coaches and also television personality.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
If we keep Chris Carpenter, Mike Matheny is pitching coach.
If we don’t keep Chris Carpenter, he retires and becomes pitching coach.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
not necissarly misguided
i’d be cool with reyes at 5/100 or something (me likes having an actual shortstop)
better to spend the money and make a better team than just sit on it
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Sep 1, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it depends what we'd spend the money on
I’m just worried we’d end up signing a big name just for the sake of signing a big name.
that's fair
a jason worth/barry zito type deal is scary
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Sep 1, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
as a rule...just never sign anyone for 7/126
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
matt holliday says what?
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Sep 1, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
What about 7/$120MM?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
thats fine.
Zito and Werth were both immediate flops
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and Vernon Wells
same thing 7/126
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Sep 1, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world Anthopoulos did not exist
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So, DishNetwork finally has MLB Network
I am happy.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
wat?when? how? what package?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
we have top 120+
it’s on channel 153. I saw where someone re-tweeted the info and flipped over there and haven’t changed the channel since.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Oh noes
@JoeStrauss And Cards have scored first 6 runs on HRs for a 2nd straight game. Guess second-half reliance on HRs is overstated. #ManyAttendFewUnderstand
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i love 2-game samples
how many runs are scored on (labor + memorial) day in odd years and odd decades?
I was referring to the hashtag/sig combo
and the trollstrauss thing.
But, yeah, he is an idiot. Definitely one of the many and not the few. I view the tweet actually as yet another shot at Goold.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
So, why didn't he credit Westrum?
He’s a poacher, that’s why.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
he also does this
whenever someone tweets any kind of rebuttal at him. never @ mentions, but makes general shots. i have no idea why
because he's an asshat, that's why
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
actually, he gives asshats a bad name.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
did u see that link i posted from little big league
a month or so back..that movie hits announcers on the head…
because TLR
OT
you guys see this official get trashed? they are lucky this thing didnt get ugly with all the chatter in the film… http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Coaches-and-players-violently-attack-youth-footb?urn=highschool-wp5326
because TLR
faith in humanity destroyed yet again
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I made it halfway through
couldn’t take that awful sound any longer
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
this reminds me
mrs. scoot just told me about her sister’s softball shenanigans of two nights ago. She slid into second on a steal. The middle infielders tag was a little too aggressive, so she punched the girl. With absolutely no retribution. Nothing from the umpires. Nothing from the coaching staff. And sadly, nothing from her mother. I’m so disgusted I could be sick.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think the war between Strauss and VEB is highly underrated
Definitely one of my favorite things online
Is there a war?
I don’t read him anymore and haven’t ever followed him on Twitter because it’s sad to read the writings of such a miserable human being, especially when that human being has a job a lot of us would truly love.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
there was the time he took a shot at danup
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I vaguely remember that.
That act said so much about Strauss as a person. I think that’s when it first occurred to me what a miserable person he must be.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It was a passing reference to people that didn't have press passes.
and since they didn’t have one, their opinions really didn’t matter. I’m sure DanUp can tell you with better accuracy,
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, did he do that too?
I specifically remember the time he called me the “towel boy”, but he got quiet when I asked if that made me one of his usual unnamed sources.
I didn't remember the 'towel boy' remark,
but I do remember that he made the reference about people without press passes. I thought that was the one that he aimed at you.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
that was a nice comeback though.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That reminds me of an article I once read on engadget
where the commenters were tearing apart a product that the author (and former prominent figure on Engadget) was obviously biased towards. The author came into the comments and said “I’ve been reviewing tech for (blah blah years), when you start a site and review tech, then you can come and talk to me about what’s fast and what’s not.”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Sep 2, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You're getting to them, DanUp.
Just keep doing your thang, man.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 2, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if it is a war
but what ever it is, is sure fun to watch. I follow both JS and TrollStrauss. Pretty funny shots back and forth. I also love it when Goold and Leach give him a hard time.
The most important thing for me after this sweep is
despite the Brewers 7.5 game lead, they seem somehow mortal again. In August they just played absurd baseball, and got countless breaks, and ridiculous performances from all of their replacement level players. This sweep was a shock to not just us and them, but also the whole baseball community.
Before this sweep, people felt the Crew had a legitimate shot at putting up a Pennant (on a side question, how many teams have both an NL and AL Pennant?). Now they almost seem weak. Without their lucky bounces, they are just as beatable as any team. In just three games, all of their confidence disappeared. The looks on their faces as they fell apart was most telling.
The pressure is on them now, and it’ll be fun to see how the more hot headed (YB, Morgan, Fielder) handle it, especially if they drop two to the ’Stros.
Prophet John
may have shown you this, but makes the point about announcers…media…5:20ish mark…watch what the announcer says about Lou…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFgz9cJy1ho
because TLR
It's days like these that I will miss Albert Pujols if he leaves
he’s the greatest player I’ve ever seen play baseball. And probably the greatest I ever will.
You never watched Bonds?
But seriously Albert is incredible but even if he stays he’ll decline with age and we’ll miss first decade of his career Albert. He’s the best Cardinal and second best player I’ve ever seen and watching him everyday has been an immense blessing as a Cardinals fan and it’s painful that we need a miracle to make the playoffs in the one year that we have him and Berkman, especially since we have Holliday and a career year out of Molina this year too
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Sep 2, 2011 1:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
easily the best Cardinal I've seen is Pujols
I’d argue he’s on par with Bonds despite the steroids. He has played 3 different positions (4 if you count second base), granted mostly at first base. But he’s a premier defense player at first and who knows if he didn’t get injured and/or if he stayed at third base… he’s a great defender.
first ten years is not comparable to any player. a Cubs fan asked me today if I thought he’d still be a Cardinal and I said yes he would probably remain Cardinal. the image of him as a Cub is both disturbing and absurd.
if both Pujols and Berkman are on the team next year, I’d be surprised at least a little. they could probably easily win the division next year with Wainwright and a better bullpen. not to mention, either furcal or greene at shortstop. I think if Tyler gets more playing time, he will gel. and Furcal still has a few good seasons probably. not a bad choice I guess. if schu is the starting 2b next season though, that would be a real head scratcher.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 2, 2011 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I love watching pujols
but if you’re not making a judgment about steroids bonds was simply the most dominant player we’re going to be lucky enough to see in person.
If by lucky you mean freakshow
then yeah, we were all pretty lucky
by peppermartin on Sep 2, 2011 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bonds was an absolute monster
and I don’t doubt his ability but after reading Game of Shadows, it is hard for me to think positively of him. I don’t discredit his numbers or what he did, but it’s just ewwie.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 2, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I discredit them
And everyone else that we know used steroids.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Sep 2, 2011 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you only look at Barry Bonds during years which begin with "199" he already is one of the best players ever
Or at least one of the best peaks or decades ever. From 1990 to 1999 he put up 82.8 WAR. That doesn’t even include his stats from the 1980s.
Eerily, Pujols put up 82.8 WAR from 2001 to 2010. Also, remember that Bonds’ figure that I posted includes his down year in 1999 where he only had 434 PAs, put up the first negative Fangraphs fielding number of his career, and only put up 3.6 fWAR (all these are Fangraphs numbers in case that wasn’t obvious).
Bonds was an all-time great without doing a drop of steroids. I think a good metaphor for Barry Bonds would be if Kal-El were a gold medal winning decathlete on Krypton who came to Earth in his 30’s and then got the benefit of the energy from our yellow sun.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Hm. I think Pujols actually put up 82.7 WAR during that time.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I really hope arguments like these don't let Bonds get in the HOF.
While McGwire and A-Rod get kicked to the curb.
by stlcardsfan4 on Sep 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd let all three in,
but I think you’re kidding yourself if you are denying that Bonds has the strongest HOF credentials out of the three.
It's a catch-22 kind of thing
If what Bonds did was wrong, then the other players also did something wrong, and I don’t think it would make much sense to favor those guys for being “less bad”. On the other hand, It wouldn’t make much sense to favor Bonds because he was “better on his own” or something. I say either don’t factor steroids into the decision at all, or have a scorched earth approach where anybody who we know touched the stuff is automatically out. I prefer the former, but one or the other is the only way to avoid subjectivity and BS.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
The HOF without subjectivity and BS?
We’d have to go back to our lives and be deprived of the privilege of raving to each other over the internets!
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