The New-Look St. Louis Cardinals Bullpen: Younger, Harder-Throwing, & More Effective
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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On Opening Day, the St. Louis Cardinals bullpen had experience and that seasoning which can only be tasted by sportswriters in the flesh of a veteran's throwing arm. The collective's average age was 32.7 and, with burnt-out starters amongst its membership, the 'pen had combined for 3,274 IP in the major leagues. Theirs was a track record of effectiveness if of varying degrees. Looking solid on preseason paper, the 2011 Cardinals bullpen has instead been a case study in the volatility of reliever performance. Injuries and ineffectiveness spurred a complete transformation of the bullpen through releases, call-ups, and a trade.
At the end of March, Cardinals had returning closer Ryan Franklin penciled in as the ninth-inning man. Another aged incumbent, Trever Miller, would again be looked to when the other clubs sent up their skilled left-handed hitters to the bat in the late innings. Even relative youngster Jason Motte had the scars of battle that lead to managerial faith. Motte again would play the role of fireman, called upon anywhere from the sixth to the eighth to extinguish run-scoring threats. These three had proven capable in years prior and there was little doubt the manager would turn to them again due to the trust they earned with their prior results.
Free agent signees and a returning Cardinal rounded out the bullpen. Brian Tallet seemed destined to fill the role of LOOGY No. 2. John Mozeliak signed two right-handers to minor-league contracts during the Hot Stove and La Russa declared each of them winners of a bullpen slot coming out of Spring Training. How the manager would deploy Miguel Batista and Bryan Augenstein remained to be seen. Then there was the right-handed Mitchell Boggs, who had experienced success since being moved to the St. Louis bullpen, where he could rely on his mid-90's fastball and wipeout slider, and also had an undefined role.
Franklin's ineffectiveness led to him being stripped of his closer duties. He was then relegated to mop-up duty during away games before being given his outright release. After experiencing control problems all season, Batista's peripherals eventually caught up to him which led to his release as well. The oft-injured Tallet was traded away in the Rasmus trade, as was Miller, who was never able to find the form of years past. After hitting the big-league disabled list in April, Augenstein never returned from a Memphis rehab stint. Only two of the Opening Day bullpen members remain in the Cardinals relief corps today: Motte and Boggs.*
*Boggs has been diagnosed with a bulging disc in his back. Even though he claims the ability to pitch through it, Boggs has been used sparingly of late. Meanwhile, down in Texas, the Rangers released veteran lefty Arthur Rhodes and La Russa praised Rhodes to the media, which would appear to indicate intrigue on the part of the Cardinals. One final bullpen move may yet be made.
After its refurbishing, the bullpen has become significantly younger. Even with the acquisition of the baseballically ancient Dotel, the average age for the 'pen has fallen from 32.7 to 27.9 years. With the decrease in age there has been an increase in overall effectiveness.
Many ways exist to gauge a reliever's effectiveness, even if the stringing of relievers muddies the waters a bit. Whereas ERA or FIP can tell us whether a reliever has been effective in his end results (with the help of his comrades in relief on inherited baserunners), other information, such as Pitch F/X and batted ball data, can tells us how the reliever came about achieving those results. Today I thought we would take a look at both.
I put together the following tables hoping to get a better idea of how the new members of the bullpen differ from the castoffs. The players in white are the relievers not on the Opening Day roster but in the bullpen today.* Those in light pink are the relievers who were in the bullpen when the club broke Spring Training and remain there at present. The pitchers in dark pink are the relievers who were in the Opening Day bullpen but are no longer on the St. Louis Cardinals due to being released (Franklin and Batista), traded (Miller and Tallet), or demoted (Augenstein). Finally, there is Sanchez, who is on the disabled list, which is indicated by him being in dark red. The MLB average for relievers is given last, in blue, and a tip of the cap goes to Rui for compiling this data for us.
*For McClellan, who has spent most of 2011 starting, which typically reduces one's fastball speed and effectiveness, I have used his 2010 stats as a reliever.
This table looks at some data on how the relief pitchers have gone about their business. It contains swinging strike rate, which is that percentage of pitches which result in swings-and-misses by opposing batsmen, Contact Percentage, which is the share of pitches which result in contact being made by the opposing hitter, Infield Flyball Percentage, Line Drive Percentage, Flyball Percentage, Groundball Percentage, Inherited Runner Scoring Percentage, and average fastball velocity. All stats and data encompass play through Saturday's game and do not incorporate Sunday's performances.
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Reliever |
SwStr% |
Contact% |
IFFB% |
LD% |
FB% |
GB% |
IS% |
Avg FB Spd |
|
Salas |
11.7% |
75.3% |
6.8% |
11.9% |
51.7% |
36.4% |
14.0% |
91.2 |
|
Rzepcynzynski |
11.7% |
72.8% |
4.0% |
13.3% |
22.1% |
64.6% |
25.0% |
91.1 |
|
Dotel |
9.9% |
79.0% |
10.9% |
19.3% |
28.4% |
52.3% |
15.0% |
91.3* |
|
Lynn |
10.4% |
76.7% |
7.1% |
12.0% |
28.0% |
60.0% |
0.0% |
93.3 |
|
McClellan |
7.0% |
82.2% |
5.2% |
13.5% |
35.8% |
50.7% |
33.0% |
91.5 |
|
Boggs |
9.8% |
78.2% |
22.2% |
21.3% |
28.3% |
50.4% |
8.0% |
94.9 |
|
Motte |
12.1% |
78.2% |
7.0% |
16.5% |
35.5% |
47.9% |
34.0% |
96.2 |
|
Franklin |
6.2% |
87.3% |
7.9% |
25.2% |
36.9% |
37.9% |
60.0% |
91.2 |
|
Batista |
6.2% |
84.7% |
7.9% |
23.2% |
40.0% |
36.8% |
42.0% |
93.1 |
|
Miller |
8.5% |
80.6% |
8.0% |
13.8% |
43.1% |
43.1% |
29.0% |
87.4 |
|
Tallet |
8.0% |
82.7% |
9.1% |
7.8% |
43.1% |
49.0% |
20.0% |
85.6 |
|
Augenstein |
7.1% |
81.0% |
0.0% |
15.0% |
50.0% |
35.0% |
- |
88.3 |
|
Sanchez |
12.7% |
69.5% |
14.7% |
12.9% |
54.8% |
32.3% |
40.0% |
93.5 |
|
MLB AVG |
10.0% |
78.0% |
10.7% |
17.8% |
37.0% |
45.2% |
29.0% |
92.4 |
*For some reason, the Fangraphs Pitch F/X page does not have an average fastball velocity for Dotel, so I used Texas Leaguers.
This table on the relievers shows age, Earned Run Average, Fielding Independent Pitching, x-Fielding Independent Pitching (which uses the league-average home run rate instead of the pitcher's home-run rate), strikeouts per nine innings pitched, walks per nine innings pitched, left on base percentage, and Win Probability Added (a primer on WPA can be found here). Again, these are stats and data through Saturday's game and do not include whatever happened on Sunday.
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Reliever |
Age |
ERA |
FIP |
xFIP |
K/9 |
BB/9 |
LOB% |
WPA |
|
Salas |
26 |
2.32 |
3.14 |
3.56 |
8.78 |
2.32 |
84.4% |
2.09 |
|
Rzepcynzynski |
25 |
2.74 |
3.22 |
3.31 |
7.80 |
3.38 |
72.0% |
0.19 |
|
Dotel |
37 |
3.41 |
4.29 |
3.99 |
9.44 |
3.93 |
78.1% |
1.16 |
|
Lynn |
24 |
2.38 |
2.53 |
2.11 |
11.51 |
2.78 |
83.3% |
1.07 |
|
McClellan |
27 |
2.27 |
4.07 |
3.77 |
7.17 |
2.75 |
89.6% |
0.94 |
|
Boggs |
27 |
3.09 |
2.87 |
3.26 |
8.24 |
2.89 |
75.2% |
-0.75 |
|
Motte |
29 |
2.00 |
2.50 |
3.35 |
8.40 |
2.20 |
77.1% |
0.13 |
|
Franklin |
38 |
8.46 |
6.86 |
4.26 |
5.53 |
2.28 |
63.5% |
-2.75 |
|
Batista |
40 |
4.60 |
5.04 |
5.68 |
4.91 |
5.52 |
62.8% |
0.20 |
|
Miller |
38 |
4.32 |
4.75 |
5.76 |
5.40 |
5.40 |
81.1% |
-0.75 |
|
Tallet |
33 |
8.31 |
7.22 |
5.22 |
6.23 |
3.46 |
65.4% |
-0.61 |
|
Augenstein |
24 |
9.53 |
5.29 |
5.08 |
9.53 |
4.76 |
58.8% |
-0.47 |
|
Sanchez |
22 |
1.88 |
3.13 |
4.08 |
10.36 |
5.02 |
85.4% |
0.67 |
|
MLB AVG |
- |
3.19 |
3.50 |
3.64 |
8.05 |
3.30 |
76.7% |
0.58 |
That which our eyes tell us while watching the games--speedier fastballs, fewer pitches called as "balls," fewer walks, fewer baserunners, fewer runs allowed, more opposing runners left on base, weaker contact by opposing batters--is definitely backed up by the pitchers' statistics. While the average fastball speeds are indeed enticing, perhaps the most heartening are the K/9 and SwStr% stats. The Cardinals have more firepower in their relief corps than they did in April, May, or June. Inducing more swinging strikes has some relation to striking opposing batters out, which, in turn, means that our current pitchers are more apt to wriggle out of trouble than some of our previous bullpenners. Also, opposing hitters make less contact against the current bullpen. To put it another way, the current group is less reliant on batted-ball luck to get out of a jam. This makes them less frustrating to watch for us fans. Indeed, some are even fun to behold.
Mozeliak, La Russa, and company deserve credit for identifying the weaknesses in the bullpen and addressing them, even if it would have saved fans some heartburn had they acted a bit more quickly. The results have already started to show in games. In the extra-inning marathon against Milwaukee last Tuesday, the rescuing of the Lohse-laid egg against the Marlins on Thursday night as well as the dramatic preservation of the lead on Friday night against the Marlins and the preservation of Chris Carpenter's one-run lead on Saturday, the new-look bullpen has demonstrated its effectiveness. It will undoubtedly be a strength for the club as it heads down the season's home stretch.
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I had to go back and comb through a paragraph to find it myself
It’s Inherited Runner Scoring Percentage.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Sorry.
I should have put the abbreviations in parentheses.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It was pretty clear, I just skimmed a bit while reading so I missed it
I wasn’t trying to imply that it was hard to understand, I was trying to say stlfan wasn’t alone in the reading comprehension fail.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Franklin's numbers are truly dreary with IS and LOB. Where would the team be in Tony had jettisoned him sooner? Or still held on to him for that matter.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I think that Furcal helps with the bullpen too
because he at least gives us a 75% chance of fielding the GB over the 50% chance we had before
Furcal on defense helps, without question.
That play yesterday where he cut the runner down at the plate was a very nice play and one I don’t think Theriot could have made.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The best part of this entire transformation
is that 5 of these guys (Motte, Boggs, Lynn, Salas, Sanchez) have come from our minor league system. Translation: You can never have enough young, hard throwing pitchers in the minor leagues. This is something that Atlanta figured out 20 plus odd years ago and has been reaping the benefits of it ever since.
It also shows you why so many of us draft-centric people want the Redbirds taking high-upside arms in the draft. If they don’t work out as starters, there’s a good chance you can turn them into 2 pitch relievers and get value that way. I think that Lynn may have a future as a starter, but the others on this list are probably relegated to the bullpen as a career, but all have the stuff to be very good middle innings firemen or closers.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
so why did we keep Tallet, Augenstein, B****tista
is that 5 of these guys (Motte, Boggs, Lynn, Salas, Sanchez) have come from our minor league system. Translation: You can never have enough young, hard throwing pitchers in the minor leagues. This is something that Atlanta figured out 20 plus odd years ago and has been reaping the benefits of it ever since.
Our own guys were better from the start. Why didn’t MO/TLR recognize this in March?
Why did we go out and get Theriot
when we had better, home-grown players? Why did we get Pedro Feliz and Randy Winn last year? Why do we have Corey Patterson this year? Mo and TLR love veteran, no-good players and they will always choose them over young players. So, in short, because TLR
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I still feel like this.....
is unfair, especially when talking about bench players.
It does nobody any good for a legit prospect to sit on the bench and maybe get one start a week, and a couple of pinch hitting opportunities. If we have a guy in AAA that has the potential to start one day, 90% of the time, it is better for both him and the club to be starting in AAA, as opposed to sitting on TLR’s bench.
If we’re talking about bullpen, or a starting lineup spot, that is obviously different.
And for hating young guys, Tony sure has played a shit load of them this year. Our starting CF is a young guy. Freese is relatively young, experience-wise. Descalso? Hamilton? Cruz? All those bullpen arms? Garcia was shown a lot of love at a young age/experience level.
by Stanley1 on Aug 8, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
, Tony sure has played a shit load of them this year.
Maybe Tony asks a lot of young guys as far as proving themselves, but he’s shown this year that he is very willing to give them pt as long as the show him they deserve it.
What he won’t do it play an upside guy that is struggling over a mediocre vet (Greene).
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
I'm not sure what you mean by "legit prospect."
Many prospects project as a fourth outfielder or a utility infielder. A player like Adron Chambers projects as a fourth outfielder, so why not use him instead of Corey Patterson, a player who has a sub-.300 OBP over 4,500 career PA’s, proving him to be a poor player. If the prospects projects out as a bench player then why not use him as a bench player?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Does making Chambers the fourth outfielder this year
pretty much pigeon-hole him into that role for the rest of his career, though? Does that pretty much tell him that we’d rather see you play every 4th day in the majors than give you a chance to improve every day because we think you are done growing as a player?
a judicial ruling on chambers? hmm.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 8, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think Chambers would benefit more
from playing once a series in the Majors or from finishing the season playing every day in the minors?
And if it’s the former, is this worth sacrificing the minor upgrade he would provide over Patterson?
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
I think he should probably finish the season in the minors
I was just responding that bringing him up now certainly wouldn’t relegate him to a career as a 4th OF.
I don't think Jay is going to be a starting CFer for that long in the majors
Grit != flat out sucking.
Actually I don't either
I thought they should have moved him. He is a nice piece as a 4th OF but I don’t believe he will be a starting CF.
I didn’t watch any of the games this weekend, but the radio announcers had a few comments about some of his routes to balls being interesting.
He has this reputation of being a great defender
But he’s not fast and takes circuitous routes to the ball. He does make the nice diving grabs, though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I think Jay is pretty fast.
He’s probably not Colby fast, but he’s in the top 25% of Cardinals players easily – probably leaning toward the top 10% of Cardinals players.
That's not saying much, though,
because our team is pretty slow.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
has VEB named Jay's caboose yet
it seems the sort of the thing we’d do
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The Judiciadonk?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Aug 8, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jon Jay does not set the outfield ablaze like Colby
but does bring a healthy appreciation of the law.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
memmafrigginintangibles
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
redundancy at it's finest.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay is still learning as a CF, though
He’s played less than 420 of his 1240+ innings in CF at the major league level. Even in the minors in 2010, he played 42 games and only 12 of them in CF; and in 2009 he played 55 games in CF, but 136 overall. He has never been given a shot to be a full-time center fielder. ZIPS has him at about a .760 OPS for the rest of the season. If he becomes a slightly above average fielder with a .760 OPS for the next several years, what’s that come out to in WAR?
Like 2.5 - 3
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It would be so great if Jay were a .760-OPS guy.
I’m worried that he won’t be. His walk rate is pretty bad.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He had a .780 OPS last year
is currently at .765 this year. He averaged over .800 in the minors. I see .760 as quite likely moving forward. His BABIP in the minors was pretty close to .350, which is what it is close to in the majors as well.
by stlfan on Aug 8, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't put any stock in minor league BABIP numbers
A .350 BABIP is >3 standard deviations from the mean, which means that about 1 out of 1000 players is a true talent .350 BABIP guy. I wouldn’t bet that Jay is one of those guys
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LIES!
Actually a .350 BABIP is about 2.4-2.5 standard deviations above the mean. But, your point stands however. Since 2002 there are only 5 players that have mantained a BABIP over .350 for more than 1000 PAs. Jay, surely isnt one of them.
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Ichiro is one.
the Choo Choo train, Micahel Morse, Joey Vott and Austin Jackson are the others.
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Horrible speling there. Apologies.
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they don't count as players with a higher than .350 BABIP and over 1000 PAs?
Grit != flat out sucking.
Votto is up to 2377 PAs
I’ve heard 1500, and 2100. But 2377 seems like a safe number. That’s four full years of baseball. More than a lot of people’s careers.
Grit != flat out sucking.
"stabilize"
does not = “true talent”
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
at what point do we say
a guy who never pops up and hits line drives in nearly a 5th of his At Bats is doing it because he is that “true talent” hitter?
The guy is 27. Do we wait three more years when he starts to decline and then say “See? What he was doing between the ages of 24-27 wasn’t his true talent”
Grit != flat out sucking.
+1
Well during his peak he had an insane line drive rate and put up HOF statistics, he wasn’t a true talent .350 hitter.
I don’t care what his talent level is if he can hit for a .350 babip for 3 years or so.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
First, it's important to recognize that his "true talent"
will never be known.
In any event, I was just pointing out that even at a PA amount that has “stabilized” would still need to be regressed to the mean.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I've often wondered how much of the BABIP stuff is due to natural decline
I mean, players only get so many PAs in their career, and it takes a lot of them before we can say very much about BABIP (apparently, I know as usual there is probably some of this that I will not quite understand). But players also have natural peaks and declines.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Jay's up to 700ish PAs
and a .348 BABIP. He’s getting close. I HOPE he gets there, but you can sh*t in one hand and hope in the other and see which fills up first, I know.
does Jay have a high LD%?
doesn’t that go hand in hand with a BABIP argument?
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
not high enough
to be part of the half a percent of MLB players that can sustain a .350 BABIP.
i imagine we will see him around .310 or below with regular playing time just like almost all other MLB players
nah I don't think his BABIP will end up that low
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
he just has never had that low of a babip
he’s a lucky chief justice, what can I say
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
how many plate appearances do you require?
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i would allow about 3000
for BABIP to stabilize
i think conventional wisdom says about 2100. this was all discussed today in this thread that we’re commenting on
my job won't let me get on there in the day
sorry I did not read all that. although I read some of it. which has made me comment. sorry if luck has been annoying.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I did read that
but I didn’t believe the lies.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
fwiw
I see him as a decent starting center fielder. but not as good as colby.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I don't get the Jay hate
why is he not a starting center fielder? he is not a liability out there, and with a .760 OPS he’ll be pretty good.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the jay hate
is 0% about what he is and 100% what he’s not
and then some of what him being that starting center fielder means
don't be so reasonable!
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So if he can even get to above average in the field with a .760 OPS
(assuming he doesn’t grow into more power or become a better hitter over time, which is a pretty poor assumption), he’s worth 3ish WAR…I’ll take that out of CF for the next few years.
(this is in no way meant to say I’d take him over Colby if Colby reaches his potential)
by stlfan on Aug 8, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if he does that (which is no slam dunk)
that’s nothing to complain about. jay gets a lot of undeserved shit (from me included) because he’s not colby rasmus and doesn’t have colby’s ceiling, but jay is a decent option at CF at worst
by prophetjohn on Aug 8, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take that too.
It’s kind of a stretch to say he’s above average at center since he’s negative over his career when he’s played mostly corner outfield.
Also a stretch to say he’s a .760 OPS hitter.
Huge stretch to say he’s one of the true talent .350 BABIP hitters.
You kind of make his speed to be greater than it is.
Lot of “stretches” being made in your argument. I mean you are slowly upgrading every part of his game better than it actually is.
Much like
a lot of us have done to Colby?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Pretty irrelevant I think given what I was responding too.
Besides Colby had been an 8.7 fWAR player over two and half years, he’s pretty good for 3.0 fWAR.
Basically Colby’s proven starter at center and Jay’s not so I really think this is irrelevant since we are talking about Jay not Colby here.
most of Colby's WAR is from one year
when he put up an insanse BABIP for himself.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Jay
One of the reasons Jay has spent so little time in his career playing centerfield is that he is not a centerfielder. He is only playing the position because the only pure centerfielder we had is now playing in Toronto. I’m not dissing Jay, or the trade that put him in this spot – it is what it is. Jay has the defensive skill set to play the corners – poor arm, average speed. However, he has never shown the offensive tools required to play there – very little power, average speed.
He’s a tough kid, and has played well, but he’s basically a fourth outfielder forced to centerstage; if he’s the starting centerfielder in 2012 and 2013, the Cardinals are in trouble.
i think he'll be fine there for another couple years
but as he reaches arbitration, he’ll he 28 and it will be time to move on by then
uzr likes him best in cf
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
UZR said Colby was a +10 defensive CF his first season
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
yeah
I’m just working with what I got here
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
his UZR is best at CF
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
how old is Adron?
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand,
what message does it send to the player that the organization would rather have Corey Patterson playing the middle of a pennant race than you?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That is true, as well.
However, I think the message is more likely to be that we want to see what happens with Craig coming back before we flat out DFA another guy.
And that's a reasonable stance to have.
To me, it comes back to the Cardinals agreeing to acquire Patterson in a trade at all. I don’t know if was possible and I’m assuming it wasn’t, but I’d have rather acquired Thames.
At any rate, we have Patterson. It will be interesting to see what the club does when Craig is activated. I assume they will option Cruz to Memphis and then call him right back up when rosters expand in September.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We gave them Tallet and Miller to free up our bullpen for the youth
I wonder if they decided that if they’re taking on that money and age, then we can take on Patterson’s.
That could be.
Although, Tallet makes $750K this season and Miller makes $2MM. Combined, their salaries maybe equal $1MM for the remainder of 2011. Corey Patterson makes $900K this season. So, the Cards will pay him about $300K. It doesn’t seem like a salary thing to me, more like the Cardinals wanting an outfielder in return.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Our shit for your shit?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
When is the Craigen expected to be released back into the AAAA club?
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10
(now OPSing .845 during his rehab stint)
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having relief arms down in memphis
is a great idea when you have injuries. If the cardinals didn’t break camp with Batista, Miller, and Franklin, they wouldn’t be with the team. And yeah, in hindsight that seems like a great idea. But there was no reason to think Miller wouldn’t be able to get lefties out anymore and that Franklin would have fallen off a cliff so hard.
Batista… I have nothing. The downside of being a guy with options means that there is a good chance someone else will be playing because you have an option and they don’t.
Grit != flat out sucking.
This.
I would also add that Boggs was in the pen to start the year after being a good bullpen pitcher down the stretch in 2010, and there wasn’t really any reason to put Lance Lynn in the pen at the beginning of the season when he could be needed as a starting pitcher should McClellan falter in the rotation. Plus, Lynn is a future rotation guy most likely and had struggled at AAA in 2010, so it made sense to start him there at the beginning of the season.
I’d still like to see them move Ottavino into the pen at AAA and see if he can find some more success there, as Boggs has.
There is absolutely no positive explanation for signing Miguel Batista or the heavy usage of him in higher leverage situations for two solid months. But, then again, there’s no reason why he continues to be a major league pitcher since he hasn’t really been any good in the latter half of the decade either. Same could be said for Corey Patterson and Ryan Theriot. Yet all three continue to get jobs.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This is a tad misleading....
Motte and Boggs were already part of the bullpen so they don’t really count.
Augenstein had good peripherals (xFIP, GB%) and was, at the time, a good minor league FA pickup. He pitched well in ST, pitched poorly to start the year (all SSS) and then got hurt, and then got passed over by Salas/Sanchez/Lynn etc.
Tallet is LH and served as a LOOGY, which differentiates him and his role from the others you list. He’s been both injured and ineffective over a small number of innings, but pulling a fairly cheap LOOGY off the FA market is not a bad decision per se by a GM — that’s where many of us think is the best place to find a LOOGY and it’s not like the Cards had a homegrown prospect to fill this role.
As for Batista, yes, that was always a terrible, terrible decision. Either Sanchez or Salas shoud have been in the bullpen over Batista from day one. It’s certainly fair to blame Batista on Mo/TLR/Duncan.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Salas signed as an amateur free agent, like Sanchez?
B-Ref doesn’t have this info on him. Can’t believe Sanchez was signed as a 16-year old. Wonder how often those work out?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 8, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Salas was an international signee.
He didn’t sign nearly as young as a guy like Sanchez. If I remember correctly he actually played some in the Mexican pro leagues. Don’t hold me to that, though; I’m just going off hazy memory.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Aug 9, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we could have a good, cheap bullpen next year.
Mclellan, Motte, Boggs, Salas, Sanchez and perhaps Lynn. You have Mclellan as a LOOGY/swingman and Motte as the fireman. You have Salas and Sanchez duel it out in Spring Training and the winner gets the closer job and the loser gets the setup role. (This is a good time to point out that I am a true believer in Sanchez) Then you go out and get yourself a second LOOGY and send Scrabble to the rotation.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.3, Boog = 2.4 as of Aug 06
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by Paulspike on Aug 8, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, had a couple of games
where his hitting was actually good. 6-for-7 with 6 RBIs and 4 doubles on Jul 29-30.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.3, Boog = 2.4 as of Aug 06
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I can't remember if it was yesterday or the day before
But Dan n’ Al, or Dan n’ Rick, or Rick n’ Al, or whatever were wondering on the air about what effect the trade deadline and rumors of us looking for SS help were having an effect on Theriot. I’m pretty sure he was playing badly well before. that. I really hate that sort of stupid “analysis” that our TV guys subject us to.
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the guy has a cool name and tony's seal of approval.
they are going to defend him too. they are sheep.
I don't think Scrabble starts next year.....
or maybe ever at all for STL.
I still think Carp comes back somehow, so as long as Waino is ready to go, those are your 5 starters (Waino, Carp, Garcia, Westy, Lohse). KMac didn’t pitch poorly as a starter, so him getting another chance is likely. Lynn probably deserves a look if the staff thinks he is ever going to start. Shelby will likely be given a look, though I expect him to start in AAA.
Also, if you bump Scrabble to the rotation, you have to go find at least one, if not two LOOGY’s. With our problems in that department in recent years, I’d just as soon keep both Scrabble and KMac in the pen, and find a SP.
Shelby definitely seems to have some learning yet to do
I don’t know how steep the learning curve usually is, but he seems to be still in the process of mastering his breaking and offspeed stuff. Earlier in the year I wondered if he might arrive early next year, but it would be pretty surprising to see him jump ahead like that from where he now.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
oddly enough
but he seems to be still in the process of mastering his breaking and offspeed stuff.
that’s what Dennis Martinez said when he was in PB.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
If we keep Scrabble as a LOOGY
then this whole Colby trade is a complete bust. I do believe that Scrabble has enough ability to be a good starter and that is far more valuable than a LOOGY. It is also easier to go out and find a cheap lefty reliever than a starter. That being said, I would bump him to the rotation, spare the 15 million dollars on Carpenter to use it for Albert or Berkman or a competent shortstop and look for a FA LOOGY. With that FA and McClellan, you should have enough help against potent LH bats
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.3, Boog = 2.4 as of Aug 06
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Agreed.
I keep feeling like that was what MO was thinking all along. Getting Rzep in the rotation, that is…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Do we know what his 2012 projections would be as a starter?
just curious…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
You usually add 1.00 to his ERA
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what about 'DE' (Duncan Effect)?
I’ve heard this phenomenon has quite the effect/reduction on ERA.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Just look at Westbrook and Lohse...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
heh!
I’ll see your westbrook and lohse and raise you a… uhh… joel pineiro and a todd Wellemeyer! Not the best argument… but… worth a thought.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Duncan is a very good pitching coach.
There’s no question about it. But, I think the Duncan Effect is a bit overblown. Duncan has had successes and failures, sometimes they are with the same pitcher.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree...
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Wellemeyer?
He was solid in 2008 and then equally horrid in 2009.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Best success AND failure example I could think of
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Pineiro?
Okay in ’07, horrid in ’08, and great in ’09.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Piñata
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Smoltz?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
The Duncan Effect
is HUGELY overblown. He’s done a nice job with some veteran pitchers here and there through the years, but basically his entire mystique is based on the fact he tries to get his pitchers to throw more groundballs and has been lucky enough to have brilliant defenses behind said pitchers most of the time.
Unfortunately, when you tell guys to throw grounders then run Skippy and Theriot out at the MI positions, you no longer look like nearly such a genius.
He’s a good pitching coach, but he isn’t the miracle worker he’s portrayed as by plenty of people who should be smart enough to know better.
Or die trying.
by the red baron on Aug 9, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that he's not a pitching guru, as is claimed many times,
he’s had some pretty horrendous pitching staffs over the years (does everyone forget how bad our pitching staff was in ‘03 and ’07?). I also think that the ability to turn around veteran pitchers is entirely overblown as most of the veterans that people point to were pretty damn good pitchers in their own right once upon a time (Bob Welch in the early 80’s and Joel Piniero in the early part of the ’00’s.)
However, I think that his game-planning is second to none among MLB pitching coaches, and that allows him to get more out of crafty veteran pitchers than lots of other pitching coaches around the league. I think that most pitchers who have worked with Duncan, had some success, and then left to pitch elsewhere else have said similar things: That they always knew the best way to get each hitter out and the best way to pitch each lineup, and that most of the time if they got shelled it’s because they failed to execute the gameplan. I think that’s pretty high praise, and it’s also why Dunc should merit some consideration for the HOF when he eventually retires.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
many of the people who call him the best pictching coach
Have pitched for him. I guess it would be more accurate to say, “best pitching coach i’ve ever worked for.” I contribute a lot more of TLR success to Duncan instead of TLR. And yeah, having skippy and theriot out there collecting grounds isn’t going the help.
Unfortunately, when you tell guys to throw grounders then run Skippy and Theriot out at the MI positions, you no longer look like nearly such a genius.
At the same time, he can’t make Westbrook, Lohse, and McClellan into strike out pitchers. Garcia and Carpenter are striking out 7+ batters per 9; but I don’t think Jamie is going to be able to go much higher than that with his pitch count. Actually, I would say that Carpenter can’t either, but the guy will just throw a 130+ pitches because CCDGAFAPC.
They did go out a get a pitcher who is striking out 6.4 per 9 in Jackson. So I wouldn’t say Duncan is so hardheaded that he can’t see his defense is letting him down.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Assume that the results would be worse without Duncan Effect. Would either still be in the league if in fact Dunc is keeping them afloat?
The miserable defense up the middle does not help a team coached to pursue balls of the ground. . . . Hard to justify tossing our Ryan and then hoping the ball would be hopping around the infield. . .
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Well, in 2009 and 2010:
tERA – 4.63/4.54
SIERA – 3.95/4.09
xFIP – 3.66/4.15
Stats look better as a reliever in 2011, but he’s also thrown harder and had more swinging strikes and ground balls (probably because of it.)
we had too many
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 8, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry for double post
and then he became our only LH in the pen, so never considered him moving back, plus he was pretty good where he was
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 8, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you for coming over and contributing
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When it comes to Rzep, why is the choice alwyas purported to be LOOGY or starter?
All LH relievers are not LOOGYs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Right handers have an OPS of .779 against him which isn't horrible
while lefties have an OPS of .583. I’m not saying that he is either a LOOGY or a starter. I’m sure he can get righties out and be efficient out of the bullpen. But, he shows potential as a starter and this gets him a lot more value. Him, as a reliever, is easily replaced in an FA market or via trade. Him as a starter isn’t so easily replaced.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.3, Boog = 2.4 as of Aug 06
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I would disagree with this...
Him, as a reliever, is easily replaced in an FA market or via trade.
Apparently, it’s not so easy to find non-LOOGY LH relief on the FA market or in trade (shit, it cost us Colby Rasmus to get this guy). We sure haven’t been good at finding it in the last few years, and don’t have any viable options for it next year in the minors (maybe Gast, I guess, if we give up on him as a starter).
I’m not saying we shouldn’t see if Rzep can be a starter – we should try it, of course. But if I had to guess, I’d say he stays in the bullpen as a LH reliever, hopefully not in a “LOOGY” role.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
But that would mean we would have to find a starter
Because i would never give Carpenter that 15 million dollar contract. And I believe that finding a lefty reliever is much, much cheaper than finding a starter. If I had to guess what the FO will do, what you say is probably correct. However, if I was the GM, I wouldn’t do that.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = 0.3, Boog = 2.4 as of Aug 06
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Good non-LOOGY lefties - perennially
Alright, from 2008 to 2010, there have been only 4 left-handed pitchers who have thrown at least 50 innings and pitched in at least 40 games IN ALL 3 seasons:
Jeremy Affeldt
Sean Burnett
Pedro Feliciano
Matt Thornton
13 others have done it two out of the last three seasons:
Craig Breslow
Tim Byrdak
Jesse Carlson
Phil Coke
Scott Downs
Brian Fuentes
John Grabow
Mark Hendrickson
JP Howell
Hong-Chih Kuo
Javier Lopez
Ron Mahay
Sean Marshall
It’s very hard to find a non-LOOGY lefty – and I did not even look at their effectiveness in the role one bit.
if you were really a LOOGY
wouldn’t your G be > IP?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Thanks for the list -
In my mind, I see Rzep as something like a Scott Downs – a successful LH reliever who is not a LOOGY.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems reasonable to me
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I never realized
how unDuncanesque a pitcher Salas is, at least results-wise. 51.7% FB%? I guess that explains the xFIP being over a whole run above his ERA.
So Salas doesn't induce a lot of groundballs?
this doesn’t seem accurate somehow
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
little Kenny Rosenthal is looking for trouble
Tim McKernan
Rosenthal: My guess on Berkman is that he re-signs with the Cardinals before he even hits free agency. Probably a two or three year deal.
Tim McKernan
Rosenthal: It was borderline ridiculous what the Cardinals did with the Brewers and Ryan Braun last week.
Tim McKernan
Rosenthal: When people complain about the Cardinals and when @DatDudeBP said what he said, this is the kind of stuff they’re talking about.
Tim McKernan
Rosenthal: The Cardinals are one of the least-liked teams in baseball…and part of that is the holier than thou attitude.
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
i suppose so, little Kenny was supposed to be on an hour ago, audio is not up yet
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
did they lock him out of the clubhouse or something?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Does it surprise anyone that teams wouldn't care for Tony and Albert
whose attitude radiates out to the rest of the team? It’s not like we’re huge fans of them. File this under “grass is green” facts for me.
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by azruavatar on Aug 8, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yadi has a history of going off.
he made an effort to tone it down after the stripping equipment incident, but this should not really surprise anyone.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He did take the entire suspension too.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Aug 8, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I still imagine that Garagiola and Torre took one look at Theriot and said
“La Russa shouldn’t play him, anyway.” “Yeah, he’s too pretty to survive hard time.” “Let’s cut it to one day.”
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Between this and Colby-gate
I’m honestly confused about whether or not the fanbase likes Tony now?
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
it's like they're watching a mole to see if it metastasizes.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My compliments - great metaphor
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
And we seem to think we set the terms
of when this all will end. We do not. Expecting Pujols to get another one at some point. Probably will just be in the ribs, so I am sure TLR will be perfectly fine with it.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 8, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The only ridiculous part of hitting braun
was that he was the lead off hitter in the 8th inning of a tied game.
Grit != flat out sucking.
that and the fact that Motte had to throw at him twice to hit him
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Unless he was trying to put the fear in him first and then let the anticipation get to him
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Aug 8, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
here's the audio
link spare yourself the commercials and skip ahead to 1:36
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
the bitching starts at 8:10
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
I know I brought this up last week...
But it’s not like any of these points are really without merit. I don’t necessarily agree with the Braun opinion, I thought it was justified just because it’s Ryan Braun, but I can certainly see the other side of the argument.
It’s not like those last two posts are some kind of weird Devil’s Advocate type of thinking — Phillips and some of the other Reds as well as other players who play against us on a semi-regular basis have brought this stuff up time and again.
I think that Rosenthal likes to needle the Cardinals because nobody else really seems to do it, but it’s not like these are completely baseless accusations either.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Aug 8, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't say I disagree with much of that.
If I were playing against the Cardinals and knew
- The manager would take offense to any pitch within the vicinity of Albert Pujols
- The manager would retaliate after nearly any such pitch
- That Yadier Molina and Chris Carpenter may actually be insane
I wouldn’t much like them either.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Also:
4. We complain about every little detail that they think is a scheme to cheat against us such as the lights in Miller Park, the ball being bad, etc.
Freese cleared to play.
It looks like he will return Tuesday, which was the original target date, if I remember correctly.
Once Cardinals head athletic trainer Greg Hauck received the go-ahead from Major League Baseball sometime during Sunday’s game with Florida, third baseman David Freese was cleared to return to action. That action probably will be Tuesday night at home against Milwaukee.
Freese suffered a mild concussion when he was hit in the batting helmet by a pitch Thursday and Hauck conducted a neurocognitive test on Freese on Saturday night. He emailed the results to Dr. Wendell Bechton, the club’s associate physician, who is certified to evaluate “impact” situations. After Hauck spoke to Bechton, the Cards had to send paperwork to Major League Baseball. Then after Sunday’s game, Hauck said Freese had been sanctioned for duty.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
can we test his acuity via twitter?
that would be at once creepy and cool.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hard hitting questions at the Pujols golf tourney
@MatthewHLeach
Matthew Leach
Important question raised at Pujols golf tournament: Dennis Haybert’s defining role? @dgoold says Pedro Cerrano. I say President Palmer. ~
is Franky showing up? with his scary golf trousers?
would've.
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aha
http://media.punchingkitty.com/wordpress/2010/08/ryan_franklin_golf.jpg
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
have you never watched Major League?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I have, but I honestly never recognized Dennis Haysbert playing Cerrano
The first place I recall seeing him was in those Allstate commercials a few years ago.
All-State Insurance Guy
he really makes me feel like I would be in good hands.
That, or pushing over his boss and then getting shot alot in Heat.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Short order cook/backup robbery getaway driver
In Heat.
It’s not every actor who can be slinging hash in one scene and then look every bit the part of getaway driver in the next.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
For anyone that might have interest
I don’t know if this site has many people that live in rural areas some distance from St. Louis
without broadband and still depend on picking up KMOX to listen to Cardinal broadcasts but
if there is, I wanted to make sure they knew about how to make (or buy) a tuned loop AM antenna.
For ultimate reception. I have used one for years to pick up Cardinal games
up until 2005 when I got internet broadband.
It might be common knowledge among participants here but in the over four years of reading this site
I have never seen it mentioned. This antenna is relatively easy to build and works great. There are a lot of videos on youtube that will demonstrate how to construct and how to use. There is also a world of
Information on the internet among AM radio enthusiests on how to build and use. There are some wild ones out there but the most simple ones work fine. Also ones that work reasonable can be bought
Relatively cheap.
I now use one that I build about four years ago and it consists of a double oak frame 15 inches square and joined together at the four corners with three inch length X half inch round dowels. The whole frame is wrapped tightly with 19 gage copper wire with each end hooked to
A tunning capacitor from an old radio. It is decorative and the radio sets in the middle. I built it on a lazy susan base so I can turn it to any direction for best signal. I use a Grundig S350 radio but even the cheapest radios work well. I listen to a lot of talk radio at night and I pick up all the 50,000 Watt stations
From the Midwest to the East coast. I live in South Carolina.
Here is a link to a crude one on YouTube but it seems to work as good as mine. He just uses an X frame.
Note: one thing he didn’t make clear in his presentation was that you tune the antenna for best reception for the station you’re tuned too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51VcK3Ueq0o
by ridgesee on Aug 8, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
this is totally fanpost material
I think a lot of our rural members would dig it.
would've.
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thanks for that
I have a couple of different stations I can get the games on but that is really cool to know.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never done a fan post
though I probably could but feel free Yadi to copy it and do a fan shot or post.
you sure? I'd be taking your credit, sbn-wise.
I have to skedaddle out of the basement soon, though.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, i would much rather be looking forward to a Cardinals game tonight...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
So, in general, do you approve of the Rasmus trade?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Nope
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I do not.
I appreciate that it will probably provide a better chance to win the division this year, but I feel as if we did not get a sufficient return for one of the more valuable commodities in MLB.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Probably not until Corey Patterson is off the team.
But even then, we’ll only have a lefthanded swingman and MAYBE some sandwiches to show for Colby Rasmus ever existing. Unless there’s a playoff appearance fueled solely by Edwin Jackson & Octavio Dotel, that’s a remarkably poor ROI.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
yes
/hides
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 8, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
May I ask your justification?
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(Blue Jay fan)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Aug 8, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GIVE HIM BACK YOU JERKS
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by mysterui on Aug 8, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sure
(hands back miller wearing colby facemask)
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 8, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's not Rasmus! Those are LIES!
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colby rasmus!!!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 8, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It's too early in the day to use expletives,
so, no.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
shakes 8ball
ask again in 3 years… well… nope.
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dude....as bad as it was
there’s no reason to start shooting up.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In general, no.
I don’t hate it with all of my soul, but I certainly don’t like it.
There are a few paths the future could take that will make this a win for us, but it seems to me like the majority of possible futures do not.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
I'm "okay" with it.....
But I still want to see how it all plays out. The cash/ptbnl, the compensatory pick(s), Jackson’s contributions this year, and Scrabble’s going forward.
I thought we might get a little more for Colby, but maybe STL management REALLY likes Scrabble, plans to start him, and has a vision for resigning AP, keeping this team stocked with talent, etc.
No.
We didn’t get enough in return. Specifically, we only have one player that is cost-controlled beyond this season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Mostly, I was asking you about the trade....
because your talking about the new look bull pen and the Rasmus trade helped, basically. I figured you would have said you approved of the trade for that reason.
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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 9, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
no i don't
I’m trying to to be happy for Colby cause I hope the environment is better – ( the spilt milk isn’t spoiled, yada yada) but when he is hitting 30 HR and .900 wOBA I will be gnashing my teeth because of all the grit.
Who is TLR's next victim?
Yes
We got what we needed and gave up from a position of strength. I am not very high on Colby long term. Too many demons in his head.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Aug 8, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you Colby's shrink?
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
No, does he have one?
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Aug 8, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know him, but obviously you do since you know his mental state.
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
What the...
Demons were the cause of his slide in production? His dad wasn’t helping with his hitting, he was helping with the exorcism!
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But seriously, demons in his head?
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
Couldn't we have tried an exorcism before trading him?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem with this argument is that we severely hurt our depth with this trade.
As opposed to when we traded relievers and after the trade, we were still stacked because we have a shit ton of relievers.
But now, Jay is a starter when he was one of the best 4th outfielders in the league and Patterson is our 4th outfielder [for now]. Even so, instead of Craig being the 5th OF/2B, we will have an unproven Adron Chambers or a too-old to be a prospect Andrew Brown.
No.
The short term explanation of attempting to win now does not justify the long term ramifications of losing a team.controlled, cheap player with great upside. I mean, I don’t even believe we can win now even after overhauling the bullpen
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Jury is still out...
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I respectfully abstain until such time as the PTBNL/Draft picks are known quantities.
Imagine if one of those PTBNL was Escobar.
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wat
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Heh, he's a FA at the end of the year.
Didn’t know that.
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yunel?
we extended him
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 8, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Scre you Google and your wrong info.
I’m going home…
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for anyone curious/too lazy to look it up
two years @ 5mil per year, with club options 2014, 2015 again, at 5 mil
No way you were getting him!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 8, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know. I said imagine.
Use your creativity, people.
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Imagine if it were Bautista!
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He will ride down from Canada on a pony
the pony will also be one of the PTBNL (pony to be named later, of course). It will have a 100 mph fastball, and express a passionate interest in learning the art of the sinker.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Aug 8, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think the PTBNL are going to turn into Loonies.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I think the PTBNL are going to turn into cash.
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...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No, though I've mellowed about it
I do think it will appreciably improve our chances to win this year. On the other hand, that hole in the outfield is going to be mighty irksome for a few years. That’s too bad, since we had such a powerhouse outfield for much of this year. Hoping we re-sign Berk to at least mitigate the pain of giving away that depth, but who knows how that will pan out.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
No, hell no
We could have at least received more in return. Possibly a cost controlled high prospect bat, plus Jackson and Scrabble for Rasmus, Miller, Walters, Tallet. Dotel is the new Miguel (better going forward, I hope).
On the flip side, it does improve our bullpen this year, and marginally improves our rotation (go ahead, show me how much better Jackson is on paper compared to McClellan, not going to change how Jackson performs for us). Going forward, our offense is weaker. Corey fuckin’ Patterson? Are you kidding me?
The Furcal trade on the other hand was a great move.
It's time to run TONY LARUSSA out of town.
I look at it this way.
The team is a boat in the middle of the lake. There are small holes and one big hole in the bottom of the boat causing it to sink. We decide the only way to patch the holes is by taking a large chunk of the boat that is still above water breaking it into little pieces and fixing as many holes as we can. Unfortunately there is still a rather large hole causing us to sink. Then a passerby offers up a piece to fix the large hole in exchange for a spare part we were not planning on using. The boat is know stabilized and we can get to the other side of the shore. The problem is once we try to take the boat out again all of the small holes we fixed will have reappeared and we will begin to sink again. Only this time there will be a rather large gapping hole we created ourselves. Of course once the water reaches the level of the new hole it will cause the boat to sink much faster. How will be be able to afford all of these repairs to the hull if we still intend on buying the revved up motor that everyone else is trying to get their hands on.
This is how I feel about the trade.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.
by garden nome on Aug 8, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Wow,
I don’t know how you feel about the trade but that was nice to read
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Read it again. Now I get it.
You should add that said passerby was a very wealthy man whose wife left him. Now, in the midst of alimony payments and the misery that has taken over his life he finds himself broke. In a desperate attempt to get rid of some of his expensive assets, he sees a boat desperately trying to stay afloat. He tosses him a piece of wood to help that boat and leaves, trying to look for some other boat that needs a 12 million dollar japanese pitcher.
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I imagine that's what blind pirate TLR keeps shouting from the hull...
even while on shore…
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the team is a boat! look again! the boat is now sinking!
…sorry, nome. just summing up, not trivializing your very green comment.
would've.
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does this story somehow end with matt holliday,
Rafael furcal, and edwin jackson eating corey patterson to stay alive?
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by tom s. on Aug 9, 2011 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I like that because
I like analogies. But if the only goal is to reach the other side, with the idea of building another boat later, then it meets the goal. I’m on board with that. (pun intended).
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 9, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
because I think something needed to be done with Colby, and because I think the goal was to “win now”. We may have been able to get more for him, maybe not. I can’t say because I wasn’t the one trying to make the deals. But in general, I think the team is stronger after the deal. It addressed some problems.
If you’re thinking long term, then that’s a different story and more difficult, if not impossible, to predict. So, I think the deal accomplished what it intended to do. It helped right now, that was the goal. There was some kind of bad blood or something. whatever it was, it wasn’t working.
Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.
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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 9, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
does anyone's answer change if we are able to reach the world series due to jackson's and the bullpen's performance down the stretch and in the playoffs?
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If we win the World Series, I'll be able to forgive the trade. That doesn't make the trade any better or worse, though, if that makes any sense
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Setting a good example for the rest of the team by using both hands though
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Aug 8, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
flag!
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a question of what is more important to the fan base, i suppose
if edwin jackson and the subsequent bullpen shuffling means we are good enough to get to the series, and we get there, is that more important than being a better team than we probably will be in 2012-2014ish?
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We don't really know that we weren't good enough to get there before, right?
Like fang repeatedly noted, we played .667 ball for a solid month and a half or so
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that is true. but can't we figure that out in the end, assuming this actually happens?
i mean, i’m actually asking this, because i don’t know. but i am assuming that we can look at the WAR totals for each player we gave up since the colby deal, and the WAR totals of each player we received and be able to tell if we were better or not, correct? (obviously the furcal deal will impact things, as well, but i’m looking purely at the value we gave up and received from the trade)
and honestly, although I know how well we played, does anyone really think that our pitching staff, pre-trade, had post-season caliber? i don’t. i’m still not sure it does. and for the record, i am not necessarily saying that my opinion is that winning the WS would be worth the trade. i’m just curious what others think on that point.
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For me, if we win the world series with strong contributions from our new pen and Edwin,
I’ll celebrate the trade even if Jackson leaves, Rzep turns into a pumpkin, and Colby turns into Jim Edmonds. Winning the WS is so, so rare. Next year will be the 30 year anniversary of the ‘82 series, and we’ve won it once since then.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
This way of thinking makes sense if the "value" at the time of the trade is
truly capable of being known. But, of course, trades (at least one’s that aren’t salary dumps, and this one isn’t a salary dump) are based on each side’s differing best estimates of future value, not “known” values. We can do highly variable (and flawed estimates) of future value, but they are still just estimates, and ones that at least one side of the trade doesn’t believe in, or else they wouldn’t have made the trade in the first place.
I mean, it’s not as if we traded $2 for $1, then used the $1 to buy a lottery ticket which paid off (when we could’ve also used the $2 to buy the same lottery ticket).
If we win the WS, the trade should be more than forgiven, it should be lauded, despite the fact that we’ll never know if the WS would’ve been won without it. Assuming the goal is to win the WS (and I’m pretty sure that is the Cards’ goal here), the trade will be “better” for having done so.
IMO, The idea that trades can or should only be evaluated as good or bad at the time of the trade is both unrealistic and relies on untenable assumptions about how certain the “values” are at the time of the trade.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
If we win the WS, the trade should be more than forgiven, it should be lauded, despite the fact that we’ll never know if the WS would’ve been won without it.
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The best trade that comes to mind is the Josh Beckett trade
has the perception of that trade changed since they won the WS that year?
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Isn't this all a dick in a toaster argument?
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No.
It’s always a bad move to hit on 18. The fact that you pull a 3 one time doesn’t change that.
That situation is not analogous to one involving differing and uncertain future expected performances of multiple ballplayers in different team situations over a few months’ time.
It’s not as if we traded Albert Pujols straight up for Miguel Batista – i.e., assuming Albert Pujols doesn’t have 3 days to live, there is NO reasonable estimate that provides that Batista would help a team win more games than Albert Pujols.
Even if one “hates” the Colby Rasmus trade (and I am not a fan of it), one would allow that there is a reasonable basis for the team to conclude that the trade makes it more likely that the Cards go to the playoffs this year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I have not argued otherwise
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Ok, then why ask if judging a trade after the fact
is a “dick in the toaster” argument?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If I may...
Even if one "hates" the Colby Rasmus trade (and I am not a fan of it), one would allow that there is a reasonable basis for the team to conclude that the trade makes it more likely that the Cards go to the playoffs this year.
If you believe that…
It’s always a bad move to hit on 18. The fact that you pull a 3 one time doesn’t change that.
and you believe that…
My hypothesis would be that it’s always a bad move to trade young cost-controlled players who play premium positions and have demonstrated the ability to be elite players at said premium position when all you get back in return is a rental starting pitcher, two journeymen players, and a LOOGY who might be a starter but was put in the bullpen in favor of Jo Jo Reyes.
If we look at the long term value of this trade, there’s no possible way that the Cardinals will get the most value out this trade unless Scrabble turns into Jaime Garcia, and even then we might not. Therefore, stating that “I’m ok with it if we win the World Series” pre-supposes three things:
- That we would not have won the World Series with the team that we had.
- That the trade in question directly led us to a World Series title.
- That the overall goal of our organization should be to win the World Series every year.
I would say to #3: That’s a very dangerous assumption if you’re not willing to spend $200M on players every year. It’s how you become the Houston Astros or Chicago Cubs.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Because we'll never be able to test whether we would've won the WS without the trade.
At best, not making the trade would be a lateral move, because you can’t do better than winning the WS (putting aside that you might win multiple WS if you don’t make the trade; the odds of winning multiple WS are pretty fricking low. At that point, it’s just pure speculation — if it’s not already — because so many variables have changed.)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I’ll still hate the trade but it’ll take the sting out.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Or if Colby continues to be the Colby of the last few months - for the next few years?
Colby in Toronto has a -0.1 bWAR and a 0.2 fWAR.
He's been better lately
after not hitting at all when he first got there. We’ll see. No particular career arc for Colby would surprise me at this point.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the dick in the toaster argument I believe.
Mostly because the odds that Colby becomes good are about as good as the odds of something good happen when you put your dick in a toaster.
In other words, basically, it’s not gonna happen. (Colby’s now at 0.2 fWAR for the record)
Son of a bitch
The odds that Colby becomes as bad as he’s been since July 1 (Since, from March to June, he was basically 2010 self) are very low is my point.
Yes. Really, if Jackson helps us make the playoffs
and starts effectively in the playoffs, even if we don’t go all the way, the trade becomes way more palatable.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Absofurcaluetely
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
by a fink on Aug 8, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only if Jackson is a major contributor.
Though if we win the World Series, it’d be more like “Wow that wasn’t a good trade, but I’m glad it worked out.”
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 8, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes...
right away too.
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I should probably mention...
I love going to the World Series…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
No
Does make the team a little better for the rest of this season, leaves a lot of serious question marks for the future.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it'll end up being a wash
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
reply fail...
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Aug 8, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I AM NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR OPINION AT ALL, SIR
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Need to take at least two of three against the Brewers
Win 0, we’ll be 6 GB after the series
Win 1, we’ll be 4 GB after the series
Win 2, we’ll be 2 GB after the series
Win 3, we’ll be 0 GB after the series
Gotta defend the home field
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Sadly, the two pitchers in which I place the most confidence
just pitched and will miss the series entirely.
Still not a werewolf.
Rhodes getting released per MLBTR
not like this is news, but i think we might go after him..
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
"ground ball to short- uh oh" -Mike Shannon
man, i clearly did not read this post
disregard this idiotic comment
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
"ground ball to short- uh oh" -Mike Shannon
Heh. Zach's dumb.
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indeed.
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
"ground ball to short- uh oh" -Mike Shannon
for sure
he kicked ass playing for an NL central team
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody see the new Planet of the Apes movie yet?
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It doesn't have Troy McClure this time so its probably not any good.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Aug 8, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
has anyone seen Project X or Gorillas in the Mist or Powerpuff Girls The Movie
because… there you go.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it is a sad day
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
couple of thoughts
after watching the condensed games of the marlin’s series on mlb.tv (i was doing work related things all weekend so i didn’t get to watch them live) and catching up on veb:
1. i love you matt holliday.
2. the mang seemed like he’s starting to get it together, but then he’d do something like gidp and i’d start worrying again.
3. we played well and got a little lucky against a team that has been playing very well and that made me feel hopeful that we’ll get it together.
4. joe thurston?
5. i’m so sorry azru, that wedding experience sounds so terrible.
6. i am also a vegetarian, and i had no idea there were so many on veb.
7. a lot of beer recommendations i have to try now.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
n/t
8. i think, over the last couple weeks, berkman has solidified himself as the guy i enjoy watching play the most. i may be late to the party, but watching him is enjoyment.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Ooh,
another member of the Panting Veteran Nerd fraternity. I know I just linked to my own post in a comment, but it seemed like appropriate catch-up reading.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
matt holliday is my favorite player
i have decided. that’s a tough crowd to beat. he just seems completely awesome in every way.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
made you green in the july 4th gamethread
you posted the cubs lost flag and only had five TEFs.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Hammocks, dude.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I hate off days.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Aug 8, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
How is this not an occasion
for the Roger Dean Project?
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 8, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't want us over there.
But yeah, I want them to beat the Braves pretty bad.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
If the guy that runs the site doesn't want us there,
what’s the point of fighting it?
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
great day for Carlos Martinez day!
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That's what I swear I'd listen to today
But for some reason, I just can’t stop revisiting every feel-good track I can think of
Still not a werewolf.
it's good so far
what i loved about MBDTF was that it was a fun, hip hop album, but not without artistic merit. seems like this is the same, but with even more artistic merit
listened to it this morning before work
(so only once) but i loved it
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
think it's better than
mbdtf, but like i said that’s just an initial impression
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Did you buy the album, or is your copy less than legal?
Or are you just streaming it?
Still not a werewolf.
streamed it from pma
assume it’s on spotify, which i subscribe to, so i’ll sync it from there.
i’ll probably download a copy from mf as well, but i do that less often now.
i realised the other day i’m too busy to pirate which made me feel old and depressed.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
not on spotify yet
spotify is slow about getting new releases. i have no qualms pirating it until it hits spotify
I stopped pirating music a few years ago
When did I turn into a vaguely principled person? I can’t believe I’m 25.
Still not a werewolf.
I only pirate if the artist is already obscenely wealthy.
Jay-Z doesn’t need my money.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Aug 8, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
isn't that kind of like saying
“no, leonardo, the mona lisa is really grand but you got paid a big commission for the last supper”?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
fair enough.
i can understand the position.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
for me, actually,
i have money now (which i didn’t in college) and i don’t have any problem supporting good art with the money i have. the urge to compulsively download ALL OF THE MUSIC subsided as i got older as well.
piracy made me a better consumer. i usually roll my eyes when someone claims that, but it’s true for me at least.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
i have an issue with not supporting artists
but the music industry is ridiculously broke. i listen to so much music and so little of it do i actually like and continue to listen to. i’m not paying $10 just to see if i like a band i’ve never heard before.
in the end, i wouldn’t be able to afford all the music i listen to, so the artist doesn’t get my money whether i listen to their music or not. i’m glad that services like spotify are coming to prominence, though
I've got a fair amount of money stashed away
My financial aid goes straight to my rent, so I spent most of my dividends on music.
Still not a werewolf.
your financial aid covers your tuition
or your dividends do?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
pirating is also kind of a hassle
moral concerns aside, spotify puts a huge selection of music at my fingertips at a high quality bitrate. totally worth the $10
Track 3 is incredible
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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this
DFA Corey Patterson
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
"ground ball to short- uh oh" -Mike Shannon
I don't even know what that is
are people resorting to watching toilets?
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So is Craig going to be in the lineup tomorrow?
I want a
Furcal SS
Jay CF
Pujol 1B
Holliday LF
Berkman RF
Craig 2B
Freese 3B
Molina C
Pitcher
LINEUP!!
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Multiple towels when this happens
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Who gets sent to AAA to make room on the 25-man?
Cruz?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
District Attorney'd?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
(dunt dunt)
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
We don't need Allen Craig.
Corey Patterson is contributing out there!
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
now, now
it’s unseemly when you go looking for a pat on the back. But, I will give you an attaboy.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Questionable for Aug. 9 say CBS injuries.
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err that's Freese, nevermind...
Craig still under rehab according to that.
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I like that lineup
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 8, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
hope you guys shorted stock and bought commodities futures
last week.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
if it translates to "economics: outlook bad"
then my response is that i’m glad i’m majoring in computer science
The poster outside the Mathematics, Physics, and Astronomy advising center
reassures me that the laws of physics are 100% recession-proof
Still not a werewolf.
the stock market is down 6% today
after s&p downgraded the u.s. credit rating. doing one or both of those things would have enabled you to make money today.
NOTICE HOW I AM AVOIDING POLITICS
THIS IS ABOUT FINANCES AND MONEY
today is one of those days i really want to run my mouth on politics, but i will restrain myself.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Slayer is happy though
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on what index you're
talking about.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
now you tell me.....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no money to be upset about
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
seems like I'm always behind on bills and stuff
but that’s pretty normal I suppose
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
i do my best to never be, but this year i'm way behind, it's really embarrassing
i’ve never had this problem before
Balls
whenever I get caught up something comes up and it gets out of hand again
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
mine is not good I know that
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You're going to need that skill
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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After what happened to my 401k in 2008, I just don't give a shit anymore.
The goal now is just paying off my house and taking another looksie in 10-15 years.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Good call Alx.
Keep buying. Spread your risk, keep your assets diversified well, and keep buying. The longer the market stays down, the cheaper we buy stocks.
And for those of us that are near retirement or already retired, you shouldn’t have much money in the stock market anyway.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I have 15K in a mutual fund that I don't know what to do with
The fund is under-performing, but aren’t most?
Still not a werewolf.
I'm not sure if this is a real comment or a joke that I don't get
I know little-to-nothing about the stock market
Still not a werewolf.
Buy a boat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Two best days of a man's life
When he buys a boat, and when he sells the boat.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
unless he's forced to sell the boat
that’s not so much fun.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I was suggesting taking $15,000 and buying a boat
Because it’s hard to worry about the future when you are floating on top of body of water with drinks and your best lady friend.
Grit != flat out sucking.
as hot and dry as it's been
how many lakes can be left?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a good point
The LCRA is probably pulling yeoman’s work to keep it’s tourism sources alive.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Underperforming what?
the sector that the fund is in? The general S&P 500?
If it’s just plain old doing poorly but generally in line with its sector and your time horizon is long enough, then you should just sit tight and let it come back. It’s actually a superb time to buy more shares if it is a 4 or 5 star rated fund.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Ugh, I just looked it up and it's currently got a 1 star ranking.
I don’t know what this means but I think it’s a bad sign.
Still not a werewolf.
I was talking to my dad about it recently
and he mentioned something about rolling it to a different mutual fund without any penalty.
Still not a werewolf.
is this a personal investment or through a company benefit plan?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I would certainly be
alarmed at a 1-star ranking. That means Morningstar (the big mutual fund ratings company) thinks it’s in the bottom of its class.
Generally you can exchange your fund for other funds in the same family without any loads or surcharges. See if they offer a better rated fund, but it sounds like you really need to investigate what you have before you sell it.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Thanks for all of your help
Both you and il rosso.
Oh, and Fritz and Evil Frog for the sweet ass boats.
Still not a werewolf.
No prob Clank!!!
Yeah, screw it. I like the boat idea.
There was an old story in the investment world. If you bought $100,000 of Enron stock in 1999, by 2005, you’d have no money left. None at all.
Now, if you spent that same amount of money on beer in 1999, you’d get drunk hundreds of times, you could recycle the aluminum, and you’d have something like $3,000.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I keep another 15K in my checking account because it makes good interest.
The checking account is far outperforming the mutual fund, but it seems foolish to sell low to put more into the checking account. It also seems foolish to take money out of the checking account to buy low in a mutual fund that’s likely going nowhere for awhile.
I wish I had a better intuition for this.
Still not a werewolf.
Fritz is on to something
However, I would suggest cashing out the mutual fund, buy one boat. And then using the $15,000 in the checking to fix said boat when it does break. Because it will.
Grit != flat out sucking.
and a monocle.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The market
has gone up and down thousands of times in the last 100 years or so. Psychologists and economists have done studies that are immeasurable on this. People generally know that buing high and selling low is a bad idea, but you know what? They still do it. They do it KNOWING that they shouldn’t, but they do it anyway.
Keep your cash handy. It’s always good to have cash around for emergencies/opoortunities. But selling the shares of your mutual fund would probably be a bad idea right now.
Up, down, and sideways, the S&P 500 has still averaged about 9% annual return since 1920.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Psychologists and economists have done studies that are immeasurable on this.
huh?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Yeah, that came out wrong.
Here we go.
Psychologists and economists have done an immeasurable number of studies on this phenomenon.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
so if stocks are so cheap right now
why isn’t everyone falling over themselves to buy them? not like the stock market isn’t going to rebound at some point
there's a bunch of reasons for this
1. people are betting against the market right now and making money if stocks fall in price
2. the market may continue to fall and the current financial and political climate isn’t very good, frankly
3. there isn’t a lot of confidence in the market
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
so wait until it falls more and then buy?
or there is legitimate concern that the stock market will never rebound to where it was yesterday?
no, the market will recover
at some point. the question is when.
i’m finding it really hard not to make this political, so i may bow out of this conversation.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
it is definitely all the opposing political parties fault, but
i mean if someone has $1000 just laying around that is disposable, it only makes sense to buy something when everything is really low, right?
mhmm.
keep in mind, you’ll get charged fees for trades, so if you buy you do have to be thinking fairly long term.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
if you want to look at a fun stock
here’s berkshire hathaway’s (warren buffett’s company) type A stock.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
up 48% over the last
ten years. man’s a genius.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Buy stocks on with a fixed amount of money
every month/2 months/week/whatever. It’s called dollar-cost averaging. You can buy more shares the months that the market is down and will buy fewer shares when the market is up. Overall, your average price per share will be lower than the average stock market value over the same time period.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
you make more money lump sum investing
but that’s more volatile i guess
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
No you don't.
You only make more money with lump sums if you correctly time the market, which has been shown time and time again that it’s impossible to do that.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I did this back in 2008
Shit paid for my engagement ring
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
i mean
i don’t know shit about shit, but this just seems logical. if i land this job, i’m buying stock in something, i just don’t know what or how
yes.
i wouldn’t try getting into google unless you have thousands of dollars.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I wouldn't buy
shares of any one company’s stock unless it was just play money or I had millions of dollars that I can diversify myself with.
Buy mutual funds. Good ones that reflect most of the sectors of the equities market.
Remember that Enron was a AAA rated company right up to its failure.
Owning shares of one company’s stock is an invitation to disaster.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Would it be better to accept my losses and sell low to buy low in a better mutual fund
or to move to one in the same class without penalty?
Still not a werewolf.
If it's a 1-star fund, I might
investigate the other funds in the same class/family. If it’s truly that bad a fund, you might just go find a good S&P fund with a low sales charge and expenses and just poo-poo the other fund.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
This is now my project post-finals.
Thanks again, it’s time I think about these things.
Still not a werewolf.
I have a portfolio diversified in Index Funds
on all the major exchanges. Took a big hit in 2008-2009, but have bounced back to about where I was in 2007 until the last couple of days.
I’ll just wait out the storm, the market will come back eventually, and I still have 30+ years until I retire, so it’s got plenty of time.
I use indexes and ETF’s because they generally have low administration fees and there are only a handful of mutuals that can outperform index funds over a 10 year time horizon. When you factor in that the mutuals have higher expense ratios, even those that outperform the market over 10 years end up about even in terms of value.
I know there are downsides to doing this and I might be leaving money on the table, but I plan on 5% a year and put enough money in to retire comfortably at age 60. If I make any more than that I can start drawing down my risk earlier and maybe retire earlier too.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
new business plan:
steal clank’s money
seriously though, eckstreem’s advice is generally good advice. i’d wait a little to make sure the market doesn’t continue to plummet before buying anything.
what fund is it?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Aug 8, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Little Pink Houses are never a good investment.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
giving it a brief lookover,
that fund looks pretty shitty.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
HELLO DADDY
HELLO MOM
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
damn you kids with your hippin and you hopping and your jello pudding pops
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
LIFE CAN BE SO FAIR
LET IT GO ON AND ON
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Yeah. I really need to roll it to a different one.
I’m waiting on my much money-savvier father to get back into cell phone range.
Still not a werewolf.
No.
(You won’t happen to be out of town next week, will you?)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
how existentialist of you
going after yourself
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I doubt any of you will show up.
Although, in my absence there seem to have been a few other Montanans show up around here.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
By the way, Public Enemy is awesome.
They sometimes push the pro-black movement too far (for instance, in one song they said don’t sell weed to your brother but the other kind), but most of the time the message rides strong.
Other than the occasional time where I kind of wince at what they are saying (cause I don’t believe/too strong), their message is strong.
I will say I lose a little respect given what Flavor-Flav has done recently. They call TV garbage and then one of them becomes that garbage.
that's how you post off-topic and cross streams at the same time.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
(and yeah, Flava was a bit of a joke at the time... he's on a whole nother level now.)
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
wat
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
i'm proud of wat
i started. but that was seriously the biggest non-sequitur i’ve ever seen.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
don't know wat that
is, still.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I'm not sure that anyone that wasn't present for that gamethread really gets it, either.
Still not a werewolf.
it's all about the Bomb Squad
also, I have Chuck D’s autograph, if that matters. Flavor Flav is a clock.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's crazy how they mixed like 40 songs into an album
But the Bomb Squad was only as good as the lyrical content and well look at any song nowadays to see how it works without lyrical content.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 9, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
there is indeed some horrid lyrical content
hey look I have stuff! look at my stuff! isn’t it nice??
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh well I guess this is just a matter of opinion.
Obviously you don’t like rap (What artist doesn’t do that?) Have you heard their lyrics? They send political messages in nearly every song. Don’t smoke weed, turn off the garbage TV, unite with your brothers, etc.
I do like some hiphop
I just hate the mainstream stuff
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I was too busy working for free to invest any of my imaginary money
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
by mysterui on Aug 8, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
As always
if it doesn’t even out by the time most folks on here are retirement-ready, we’re thoroughly screwed for entirely different reasons. No need to give yourself jitters watching the roller coaster.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
since we're on the topic
can someone placate my ignorance and tell me what this means? or at least relate its severity to 2008 or whenever it was?
Whole new problem.
2008 was a reflection of the subprime scandal and the housing bubble pop. This is a general fear of a global economic collapse.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Two answers
(1) depends on what happens with the more pressing EuroDebt shitstorm
(2) impossible to answer in any depth without wandering into the realm of the political
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
It could be as bad as 2008
but that depends on what Europe does in large part. The sovereign debts of Italy, Greece and Spain are the next big thing. If they topple the European market, then shit will hit the fan. Right now, this might just be a bump in the road.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Greece has already been shored up twice, right?
And those three economies added together mean very little on a global scale. The Eurozone can handle that bump in the road itself. Spain is a little more worrisome, but still a blip on the screen compared to the more developed European countries.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Italy, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
italy still adds a lot to the global food market as well as rock mining correct?
Granite, marble, etc…
Grit != flat out sucking.
Greece has been shored up twice
but there’s still concerns of an actual default. Italy is a real problem. Spain just has the first inklings of being a problem.
The reality is that these countries are getting screwed by the euro and Germany’s hardline fiscal policy stance within the EU. They really need to drop out and float their currency to even have a chance.
Also, China continues to collectively fuck the world market with their rigged currency.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
denied
international economics
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
in the short term banks may throttle back lending
which could cause companies that are too much in the red to fail. That’s the biggest issue with a debt driven economy.
Grit != flat out sucking.
this still doesn't mean much to me
let’s say the stock market yesterday was albert pujols ca 2008. the stock market today is which baseball player year?
The U.S. stock market?
Albert Pujols 2011. Big slump (2008), followed by a slow, uncertain recovery (2009-11), followed by fits and starts of bad performance and peak-level performance.
Corporations are in good shape. They’ve paid off a TON of debt. The U.S. consumer is paying off a lot of debt too, which actually hurts the market in the short term, but is good in the macro sense.
There’s just a LOT of fear out there right now, and people are trading on that fear.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
albert pujols right after he broke his wrist.
will he come back?
will he be the same?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
its remarkable how similar both of your answers are
i guess i should be a little worried because of matt adams’ walk rate
i think the metaphor may be falling apart now
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
It means that investors are now worried that
the entire global economy is in for a VERY rough ride for the next decade or so. People are leaving the equities market and going into hard, real assets that carry value even in bad times.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
GOLDDDDDDDDDDD
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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too soon to tell.
it’s not “supposed” to be as bad as 2008, but the sell-off today (which was entirely expected) was only supposed to drop the market a couple percentage points (read two at most) before correction. instead, they dropped about six percent and the panic spilled over into the bond market, which is bad because that market is much larger than the stock market.
however, it might all right itself. without getting political, most of the panic in the u.s. is much less infrastructure related than the eurodebt problem and is instead due to political intransigence, which is good in some ways and bad in others and i won’t get into any talking points here.
wells fargo says there’s a 40% chance of another recession but i really think that sort of prophesying is rarely helpful or correct. this has every opportunity to be worse than 2008 but we don’t know yet. the next couple months are vital for the economy and much of it rides on the political process getting sorted out.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
nope, didn't do that
instead I finished up an internship on Friday on which my entire economic well-being hinges. Namely, a job. They said permanent offers will depend on the anticipated economic climate, and today was the first day the hiring committee meets to decide those offers. In short, FML. Fuck it so hard. I’m off to do what any red-blooded American would do: convert my bathtub into a makeshift still so I can endure the hard times whilst bombed on moonshine whiskey.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
alright twitter is letting me down so i'm turing to VEB for answers
1. is Verizon & or Blackberry having problems? my phone hasn’t worked since 10am & i can’t find anything about anyone else having problems & Verizon & Blackberry both say there’s no issues
2. does anyone have a good site to steam tv stations other than nowwatchtvlive.com? it’s been very unreliable for a few weeks now & i’m losing my mind going without TV till i get a job.
3. anyone know if i can listen to sirius radio online?
4. can i have a hug?
Balls
as far as 1.) goes
we have a lot of remote locals across the US using Cellaur internet cards go down within the last two hours.
Grit != flat out sucking.
i just read something about sun flares messing with satellites & phones
that might be the problem
Balls
are sites have since come back up
but it would suggest that something went down.
Grit != flat out sucking.
my phone (bb on vzw) is working fine
atdhe
i do not know
hug
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I use Verizon and it is working.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh "Randy" Sullivan does not approve of this advanced stats-based post.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 8, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
To be fair, he's more confused by the pink in the chart.
The team color is RED!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
alright.
that sucks but at least you still have an interview. keep us apprised.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
a real go-getter
(Side note: we have a sales rep whose email address is gogetter@…)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
not here, not today
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Martinez start in 30 minutes
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err stupid time zone
it’s in the third.
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martinez has 1k and 1 BB in 2IP so far.
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ouch, he allowed a grand slam in the third
looking difficult for him in the third.
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ouch, subbed out of the game in the third.
DAMN IT!!
Carlos Martinez day was a failure.
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final line for the day
2.1Ip
1K
3BBs
1HR
4ER
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Not a lot to like there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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We should trade him for something substantial this offseason
And yea, I am serious. His arm is going to fall off.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 8, 2011 6:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what could we get for him though?
I mean the haul that Ubaldo brought in, I’m not sure it’s worth it.
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This is the question
If we don’t get something substantial in return, don’t do it. I just wouldn’t be mad if Mo looked for a deal this offseason
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 8, 2011 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean the exception that proves the rule?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 8, 2011 7:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what i mean by this
is that the phrase you just said (and that way too many people tend to say) actually does not have any meaning. it’s just something that people say
Yea I know
I’ve never understood it at all
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 8, 2011 7:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the reason no one understands it is that people use it
To mean the opposite of its true meaning.
Conventional usage means something like “the fact that there is an exception shows the rule is true.” Logically, that proposition makes no sense, because some “rules” with exceptions are just fallacies.
The original meaning used the word “prove” not in the sense of “demonstrate to be true” but to “test or try out.” So, the phrase originally meant “you test a general rule by finding the weird case and seeing if the rule still holds true.”
So let’s say I make up a rule that’s true most of the time but not always: “everything that swims in the water and has fins is a fish.” That’s true of most things with fins, but a sea mammals are an exception (e.g., dolphins, whales).
Under the conventional use of the phrase, my rule must be true because there’s an exception.
Under the original usage, my rule is false, because I tested (“proved”) it on the exceptional case and it failed. So, I need to make a new rule.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
by tom s. on Aug 9, 2011 12:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's not really correct
The phrase really means “outside of very exceptional cases, the rule stands”. Your example of the marine mammals was not a case in which the phrase applies, since there are very many marine mammals, and the “rule” is clearly false.
Your example would be similar to saying that “if a land mammal weighs more than 5 tons, and has 4 legs, it’s an elephant”. That’s false; there are hippos and rhinoceroses that clearly exceed that size. Finding one would not be a case to use that phrase.
However, if you said “the largest reptile in the world is a salt-water crocodile”, and later fox news reported that a someone had managed to genetically engineer a super lizard at some kind of Jurassic Park, that “exception” would confirm the rule. Without genetic engineering (the extreme exception), the rule would be true.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
in baseball terms
the best baseball sluggers hit about 50 home runs in a year.
Clearly false, on it’s face. Babe Ruth hit 60, Maris hit 61, etc. Sosa averaged 58 over 5 seasons. And of course you have Bonds and McGwire. But those were “exceptions”- either random chance, or evidence that something changed about baseball, whether it was steroids, or the tightness of the baseball windings, or lasic surgery, or the strike zones, or the ballparks.
But if you’re trying to describe “baseball”, in general, outside of a few select circumstances, and “elite hitters”, that’s a good way to do it. There may be a year in which the best slugger hits 47 HR. Or 53. or 73. But that doesn’t mean that, in general, the best slugger will hit about 50.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
Heh
You may be right. I’ll ask mike hampton
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 8, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so
you see my anecdotal evidence and you raise me more anecdotal evidence when neither of our claims has any causal relationship with size?
That's how I roll
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 8, 2011 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I find it odd that neither of you
brought up Timmeh.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
what games are you gonna watch tonight
if any?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I won't be watching a game,
but if I were, I’d watch either FLA-ATL or HOU-ARI for their Wild Card implications. After all, the Cards are only 4.0 GB in the Wild Card race.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 8, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i want to make these
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
those look dangerous
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 8, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
dangerously delicious
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Wait,
Colby had demons in his head?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 8, 2011 6:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
OPEN DEWALLET!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 8, 2011 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that explains it
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanley still out of the lineup.
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someone is going to hit 2 grand slams off of that guy in one inning
where are you, fernando
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I am kind of worried about Waino and 2012...
Lets say the Cards don’t feel comfortable picking up his option at the end of the season because of where he is in his rehab, and they decide to try and re-negotiate an extension. I know Waino has indicated his desire to stay in St.Louis, but if they declined his option wouldnt he immediately become a FA? As much as he wants to stay in St.Louis, it would scare the hell out of me to have him hit the open market and have the Yankees and Red Sox throw ridiculous amounts of money at him.
by mick311 on Aug 8, 2011 7:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
my biggest concern with adam wainwright
is people expecting him to be adam wainwright ca 2010 in 2012
What kind of innings limits can we actually expect for wainwright?
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I meant to say innings limit
but, yeah…
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What if he is good to pitch to start the year?
Or are you assuming he comes back in late May-June
by mick311 on Aug 8, 2011 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope not.
I just hope they dont screw around and take their time trying to rework a deal because they assume he wants to come back.
by mick311 on Aug 8, 2011 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
3 - Westing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I have a moral dilemma
The coach wants me to do a statistical study that I know for a fact that if there’s any interesting info, it’s due to small sample size issues
But he wants to use it to prove a point to the league
Should I just do it, and give him the info, and let him deal with it?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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do you have to put your name on it?
it would suck to sell your reputation without getting paid
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
Do the study, do it well, voice your concern (casually) when you give it to him.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
But it depends on the boss. I had an intern who really impressed me by telling me I was wrong about a technical matter (I was right, but he did good research and it balanced on a technicality). OTOH, I’ve had bosses who would fire paid employees for much less, and summarily dismiss interns for talking in meetings.
Might consider doing it both ways, and giving it to him that way. If you present it well, it might impress him. And, most of the time, if you spend your time there doing what he tells you, you will at best get a handshake and maybe a “he’s ok” reference at the end; interns typically need to make a splash to be remembered.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
can you regress the numbers to league-average?
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Do it, but give him your opinion
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 9, 2011 12:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unsolicited beer recommendation
Grabbed a Sierra Nevada Southern Hemisphere Harvest at the store today, an it is a crisp and delicious beer. Commended to the attention of any hopheads on here.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
I got it at the specialty liquor store in my neighborhood
(does a mix of wine and nice beer and liquor). Given that said store is in Boston, that probably isn’t much use to you, but similar stores would be the right place to look.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Where do you live? I think quite a few of us lived in Boston at one time
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Somerville, sorta Inman square area
I’ve also lived close to Union Square and down in JP at various points. When were you in Boston?
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
True dat. Probably the best thing about Boston is the public transpo
Cause it sure isn’t the weather or the women.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you only think that because you didn't live on the
green line.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Yes, the green line was terrible
I avoided it all costs if I could. The worst was going out to the BC area. Too. Many. Stops.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm right there, at the end of the green line by BC
some 6 miles outside of Boston. Estimated time to get downtown on the green is usually 45 minutes to an hour.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
6 miles outside of dowtown Boston, that is
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
nothing like trying to get - well, anywhere - on the green
Line when there’s a day game at fenway. Might as well walk.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
by tom s. on Aug 9, 2011 1:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
love that stuff
haven’t had any in a couple years though. i’ll be on the lookout now.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Haven't had that yet
but their Torpedo IPA is pretty damn delicious
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Gee, those shots from the blimp
really reinforce how small the crowd is, Marlins.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
How many excellent teams have the Marlins built up, only to have to dismantle them since it would be too expensive to keep the guys since attendance there is so lousy?
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
Well, only a couple, really.
But it’s tough to build a consistently competitive team with such poor attendance. We’ll get to find out how much of a factor the stadium / location has contributed to that.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
so my hand finally healed up from the last time i went to the cages
and i promptly overdid it and tore it all up again, damnit
Nats-Cubs called
on account of being Nats-Cubs.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 8, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
so. much. shouting.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i have to say there's hidden meme potential in
“”http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/8/8/2341708/the-new-look-st-louis-cardinals-bullpen-younger-harder-throwing-more#74144243">judiciadonk"
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and one that got skipped
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
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The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Aug 8, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
pretty sure it's been well over a year already.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Saw an interesting anecdote on BA's Jim Callis' chat
In the last seven years, only four teenagers have put up a .300/.400/.500 line in full season ball.
1. Justin Upton
2. Jason Heyward
3. Billy Butler
4. Will Meyers
But two teenagers could do it this year, Jurickson Profar, who is 18, and……..Oscar Taveras, who is 19 and is currently sporting a .385/.432/.583 line.
The last 18 y/o to accomplish the feat was……Daric Barton.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
Interestingly, Bryce Harper
Would very likely have done it this year as an 18 y/o if they had left him in A ball rather than promoting him to AA.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope our British friends are safe and sound.
I know they aren’t in London, but it sounds like the craziness is becoming more wide spread.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
Cops killed a young father, that touched it off.
At this point it’s probably an awful cocktail of people pissed off over the original event, people pissed off about other stuff, people who just want to fuck stuff up, and looters.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i love how demistrations for a cause
always turn into breaking other peoples stuff.
Grit != flat out sucking.
probably because England's economy ain't doin so good?
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
because we have become very very complacent
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
also one can always go eat squirrels.
we’ve got all these tracts o’ land.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yes
or start an organic farm
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
or pigeons, if you're in a really big metro area.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh I already eat them regularly
not
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
they are so easy to catch
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, there's plenty of Freely Available Protein
roaming the streets of St. Louis.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I'm here for
start to throw the rotten tomatoes!
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 10, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
actually it kind of is
there has been a shit ton of wild fires going on the last decade, if anyone was paying attention
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
here is what we want. We are going to install on the main floor over wooden sub-floor. Don’t know if we need anything like a cork underlay or if we should use glue, nails, or a product like elastilon. I planned on nailing, but the reviews I am reading suggest elastilon.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
gotta watch for leveling issues if you don't put down a proper base
also, is the wooden subfloor plywood or particle board? not as critical with plywood, but if it is particle board, better seal it well before putting anything on it.
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
you're going about this all wrong
should have been something like:
So, there’s this girl I really like, and I finally worked up the courage to ask her out. I just bought this brand new suit to wear, and a Beatles album to listen to on the way. We’ll be going to the local hardware store and I can’t decide which bamboo flooring expo to bring her to first! Help VEB!
Also, BABIP is predictive.
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 8, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i like this one
much better.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I like that one better than the T
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you have excellent taste!
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
part of me wonders if this is a gang affiliation
I keep seeing reds hats around town and thinking “oh. gang member.”
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
3-0
astros.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
And they've now batted around in the inning.
Wandy singles to keep the inning going.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Leadoff hitter JB Shuck makes first and third out.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Is that game on tv? Can't find it on comcast...
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't look like it.
Fox Sports showing Rangers. Local channel not carrying it either.
Stupid Arizona game.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Shuck has some speed and a good arm.
Will be interesting to see if he can hit enough.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 8, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
coolio
PBCardinals Palm Beach Cardinals
Tyler Lyons throws a NO-HITTER!! Lefty walks just one in a 10-0 Cardinals win in gm2 of doubleheader
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
Yeah, so only 7 innings.
Still, 0H, 1BB, 8K
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a Kyle Farnsworth badge up for KC - TB.
He had to get a strikeout for it. One strikeout.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
Nice post on the pen. Hard to imagine why it took soooooooooooo long to rid the pen of the ancients. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
the mlb.tv people need to talk
to the netflix people and figure out how netflix can deliver me high quality video with minimal buffer times and no stoppages on the internet connection i have and then somehow replicate that functionality.
since i moved out to CA, mlb.tv has become fairly unusable.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
agree
hell, just mlb.tv on my television without having to use a computer would be awesome.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
poor guy is like stuck in limbo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Joey Bombs is on the other side, on the Sky Sox.
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I linked to him in that other thread.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Oh, Giambi is there too.
Rehab assignment. Just made an error at first.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he out of options? He either sticks full time next season or departs, no?
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HL Mencken
yup
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I can't believe y'all haven't sponsored his B-R page.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
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Well you know that when we buy it, then he'll leave.
We need to use our money wisely.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 9, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
the Cards' bullpen...
is one of the most exciting elements of this team. especially after jettisoning all the detritus. Motte is one of the most entertaining players in baseball, and is also extremely good. he’s like a sharpshooter out of the pen that puts out fires. Boggs is really good also… I think he’ll get even better. Salas is a rock. Rzep seems to be a really good addition. even Dotel has been nice to have there. great post, bgh!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions
Mobile commenting available!
but that would mean, leaving the basement…
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
can't you
mobile comment
from
the basement?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just wanted to post that because it was exclamatory
I’m a rebel
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
my options:
watch pittsburgh vs san francisco; colorado vs cincy; or one of true blood or breaking bad. hmm
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
I need to turn on the tv first though.
there we go
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I'll watch that tonight then
but i need my baseball fix first.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
decision has been made for me
roommate is hogging the bandwidth, time for breaking bad, as you suggest.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Just watched it.
I know he’s just a tv character, but Jesse Pinkman is BREAKING MY HEART.
by peach concrete on Aug 8, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe they didn't kill him off yet
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
MOAR ASTROS
Kids gettin’ it done.
6-0, Houston still batting in the 2nd.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
they are beating the shit
out of this pitcher.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
why are they spoiling the diamondbacks' parade?
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
they are in a tight race with the giants
who are getting beat by the pirates
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
when they should have done it to the crew
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
7-0 astros after
1.5 innings.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
roy halladay's name
harry leroy halladay III
also, vin scully just told me that his nickname was from doc holliday, from the wild west.
no shit.
yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man
What in the hell has Whiteside done to his hair?
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
I guess it's natural?
Right now it looks like he frosted his whole head.
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ahahahahahhahaha!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, he's prematurely grey.
He’s even greyer than that now. Just don’t see too many guys with thick, curly, grey hair.
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
he just looks really funny
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Went to college with a guy who had been totally grey since he was 17.
He transferred to our school after his freshman year, so hardly anyone knew who he was, since he lived off-campus all 3 of his final years. He’s about 5’7", wore glasses and a beard, and was always a little pudgy. Nearly every single class he took, as soon as he walked in the first day, all the other students would quiet down, then freak out when he sat down with them, instead of behind the professor’s desk. We played AD&D together, and he was nearly always a dwarf, which is mostly what he resembled.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 9, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he ripped off Victorino's scalp and is displaying it. . .
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by akaitori on Aug 8, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What is the reason he's called Whiteside, Alex
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
vin scully
i love you
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Breaking News: Jose Altuve makes an out in Arizona
Also, he’s not much taller than my five year old son.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Tiny second baseman!
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I need to post the picture of my kids with Altuve and Martinez from this weekend.
Martinez is nearly bent over in half and Altuve is just standing there with the boys.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Heh, yeah I'd like to see that.
Colby in TOR: .244/.262/.415 1HR 8K/1BB 8/07
by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to be able to run a camera at one of the MiLB games.
I can’t be much worse that whoever is doing it now.
Also, the Co Springs guys have open mics during commercials. Fascinating. (not really)
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
Redbirds having a night (actually, Sky Sox having a lousy night)
10 – 4 Memphis.
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
Greene tonight: 2 HR, 2K
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
he doesn't let the BABIP gods help him.
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mikechim
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RT by robneyer
@robneyer Astros lineup tonight – Barmes has 656 career hits, everyone else has 238 combined.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
I am amused by this
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 8, 2011 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
I like prophetjohn's thread better
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm not posting it again
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Luddy just knocked in his second two-out run. . . Pirates actually winning one
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Nice,
Colorado wins 10-7 over Reds
"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte
by GasHouseMang on Aug 8, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That was some kind of witchcraft to keep that Kuroda bunt fair.
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by The Continental on Aug 8, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
not sure if posted
but jay and freeze with college humor: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6575970/baseball-talk …
because TLR
must. stop. playing Mamono Sweeper.
http://www.hojamaka.com/game/mamono_sweeper/
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so the stupid f'ing lexus/benz dealer wants to me interview at their toyota store
i’m about to tell them to shove it up their ass
Balls
they won't tell me when the exam is so i'm still looking for other jobs
seriously though they’ve jerked me around since march & i’m sick of it. i don’t want to sell stupid f’ing toyota’s. if i’m not good enough to sell Lexus or MB screw it, i don’t need that headache. it’s not worth it working 80 hours a week to barely clean $2-$4K per month when i could make double or triple that at the Lexus or MB stores working 40 hours.
Balls
probably a lot easier to get a job at the lexus dealer
after you’ve proven you can sell cars at the toyota dealer. Kinda like you gotta play in AAA before you play in MLB.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
see i asked that back in march & they told me they didn't care about that
they just want “they right guy” they won’t say what that meant just that they’ll know when they see it.
there’s a big difference between selling someone a Camry vs a ES350. even though they are the same car, one has a L on the hood & one doesn’t. that L makes a HUGE difference in how you act, dress, what you say, when you say it, it’s a totally differently ball game. someone who could sell 20 Camry’s a month might be able to sell 20 ES350’s a month simply because he doesn’t know how to relate to someone who wouldn’t be caught dead in a Camry. unless you can talk to & relate to anyone & get them to trust you, you’re toast. i can do that in my sleep but for whatever reason i can’t seem to convince Germaine. which is why i’m at my whit’s end with them.
Balls
I DRIVE A TOYOTA COROLLA AND IT IS NOT STUPID
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Aug 9, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
job's better than no job
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
see above, but also it's an hours drive to their toyota store, that's a stupid long way to drive
i’ve sold “normal average” cars & i’m sick of those people. they lie they butts off, nickel & dime you to death & treat you like carp. i never want to deal with them & their BS again. i know people at the Lexus stores & they’ve been bending over backwards for me practically begging their bosses to higher me every time an opening comes up there or at the MB store. and i’m still getting jerked around. it’s pissing me off & i don’t know what more i can do to prove to them i belong selling the higher end stuff & not the corolla’s, camry’s, trucks & mini vans
Balls
"treat you like carp"....?
Dear god, they batter you with luggage?
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
i don’t know what more i can do to prove to them i belong selling the higher end stuff & not the corolla’s, camry’s, trucks & mini vans
go sell the lower end models really well? That oughta do it.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
i'm not sure how someone perpetually unemployed can be so elitist about it either
sounds like not wanting to work if i’m being honest
by prophetjohn on Aug 9, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
unless you've done the job you really don't know man, that's all i can say
you have no life but the dealership & if you’re barely clearing $2K a month it’s just not worth it especially considering how badly the customers treat you. the economy sucks big time right now, people are scared & not looking to buy new toyota’s. especially with the media still reminding them that they can kill you if you don’t know your left from your right.
Balls
you may be right about your first point
someone who needed a job would probably be happy to take it
as for you second point, wouldn’t people be less likely to buy luxury cars if they’re worried about the economy than toyotas? toyotas are pretty solid cars
you'd think but the Lexus& MB stores can't get enough cars while their Toyota store is over stocked
and i’d seriously rather work in a kitchen making $10bucks an hour than try & sell regular cars again. hell i’ve been trying to get the kitchen jobs & not even applying at regular dealers!
Balls
Where do you live?
St.louis? I manage two ATT stores and we are always looking for ppl with sales experience. I know it prob doesnt sound all that appealing but some of the sales reps at one of my stores clear $40,000 easy after bonuses. And no one treats you like shit…
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no i'm in central ohio, i've applied to att, sprint & verizon stores a lot
and have been rejected each time. i’ve never even gotten an interview
Balls
Thats wierd...well if you ever make your way to st louis let me know
And i’d be happy to give you one. But I like my job, prob about the same money but way less stress than cars. I’d keep trying if your looking for a change.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2011 1:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah it's the whole taking care of my dad for 6-7yrs things i did
jobs don’t see that as “working” even though it was the hardest job i’ll ever have
Balls
You ever consider changing gears a bit?
Car sales isn’t the only place to do work like that. There’s other kinds of sales, fundraising for nonprofits, other sorts of things that use the same skillset. If it isn’t the cars in particular for you, fishing around a bit could be an option.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
i don't know, selling cars was always something i was so passionate about because i LOVE cars
that was up until late Feb when i was canned. i’m not really a salesmen, i just really loved cars & i’m great with people so it just kind of happened 11 years ago.
Balls
Gotcha. The people skills thing definitely tranfers
(I’ve done fundraising work, which is all people skills.) at the same time, if you get motivated mostly by your interest in the cars I could see how switching wouldn’t work. It’s can be hard to do a job that requires that much…personal presence? does that describe it? if you can’t find something in it that excites you.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
yeah kind of, for me to sell i have to be really passionate about what i'm selling
i just don’t care about insurance, office supplies or whatever. if i don’t care about it, i really have no interest in selling it
Balls
But the FJ Cruiser is so sweet!
I want this for my next car.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 9, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
i could probably put up with FJ buyers because they're a lot like Jeep people & i love Jeep people
Balls
that's funny
the FJ has always made me think, “that’s what the Ford Bronco should have become”. Minus the bad quality control. And bronco people are typically diametrically opposed to Jeep people; it’s like mac geeks vs PC geeks.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
the word "hopefully" should be before the word a lot in my statement
i really don’t know if they are, you could be right, especially the older Bronco crowd does not like the Jeeps. i haven’t been around them enough to remember
Balls
lol, carry on
just waxing nostalgic, and I really like what I’ve seen of the FJ. I’ve got an old bronco (heavily modified, not really recognizable from the factory issue) and it pleases me to take sardonic shots at Jeep people, whenever the opportunity presents itself.
Anyway, is there a Lexus variant of the FJ?
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
no there's no Lexus version of the FJ. that'd be cool if they made one though
i love the old Bronco’s/International’s. they are freaking cool
Balls
How old is your Bronco?
I have a 74 Plymouth Trailduster Sport with the 440 Magnum.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
probably should have said "big bronco"
15 years qualifies as “old” when talking about cars, but not when talking about broncos.
Mine’s a ‘96, last of the series, 351W. completely replaced all of the suspension, 6" lift with BFG 35’s, replaced rear shackle mounts, removed sway bars, dana 60 conversion from an F-350, replaced gears, ginormous alternator, expedition consoles and mirrors, etc. Biggest challenge was the interior- goal was to completely cut out the ugly plastic interior and replace it with custom fiberglass/hardwood, 15" subs in back, scan-speak midrange and 10" drivers in the doors, digital display, etc. Spent over $2k on sound deadening, rhinolinered everything, lots of interior metal-cutting, with 2 amps mounted under and two in the side panels. sigh. Got about 80% of the way there and moved down to LA and haven’t had time to work on it for almost 3 years now :(
It doesn’t fit in my garage, and i can’t really park it on the street here. But I haven’t given up on it, and when I move again in a year or so, I’ll finish it. It’ll probably be a “classic” by the time I do, but it’ll be awesome.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
that's an impressive rebuild job
I chose to keep mine as original as possible. It’s pretty close. I’ve had a lot of offers to buy it, but I don’t want it turned into a swamp buggy and that’s exactly what would happen. Along with the fact that all of the offers aren’t anywhere close to what it’s worth in it’s present condition.
We used to have a lot of ones like yours around, but nobody really does that here anymore. They’ve got too many rules against it. The one thing that I’ve noticed here is that most of the kids have the over-sized exhaust packages to try and make them as loud as possible. But you really don’t see them jacked up anymore.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
My brother has one.
It’s pretty much perfect for him. It’s 4wd and has plenty of room for his wheel chair. He drives the hell out of it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 9, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I missed this when it happened and I dont know if it was ever mentioned
But at the deadline SF traded one of their top 10 prospects (Thomas Neal), to CLE for Orlando Cabrera? What the hell? He wasn’t having a great season in the minors this year but still, for Orlando Cabrera, isnt he like 40? Neal is now currently CLEs #4 overall prospect.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2011 12:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Haha, yeah
I remember Keith Law saying something like ‘SF wasn’t happy with Tejada’s defense and Crawford’s offense so they wanted someone terrible at both’
/paraphrasing
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err I found it,
The Giants, tired of playing a statue (Tejada) or an automatic out (Crawford) at short, acquire Orlando Cabrera, who is both
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Wow, like I would be disappointed if we picked up Cabrera on waivers,
They gave up a fucking top prospect for him!
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2011 12:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow, I totally missed that, too.
OTOH, looking at his minor league stats alone, I’m really not impressed. 23 year old corner outfielders putting up a .760 OPS playing in a league with parks like Lancaster and Albuquerque just don’t have much value.
What am I missing?
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
Yea I am not sure, but he is rated really well for some reason....
I dont know anything about the guy, but I had heard of him and noticed he was #4 on CLEs list….i thought he was SFs prospect so I checked, and traded for Cabrera, lol what?
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2011 12:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well career line is better,
.296/.372/.467
His 2009 season was awesome:
.337/.431/.579 22hrs 90rbi
Last year wasnt too bad, but over the past two seasons his power has disappeared. Still though, thats ridiculous to trade him for Cabrera.
by mick311 on Aug 9, 2011 1:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he played in CF in 6 games out of 503, in the minors
so probably not. But he can probably play second base.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
He's having a bad season
However, he’s not really that great of a prospect — he’s only top 10 in the SFO org because most of their talent has graduated to the big leagues the last couple of years.
He’s been up on prospect boards for a while, lots of tools, was great in ’09 and then his power totally disappeared the last couple of seasons.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
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oh god
another top prospect wants to be traded to Canada.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
awesome!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 9, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
fangraphs is ranking the cards ahead of the brewers now
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2011 1:31 AM EDT reply actions
but their pythag W-L is still ahead of the brewers.
61-53 (CIN) vs 60-55 (MIL). But we’re at the point of the season where actual is more important that theoretical; the Reds are probably a better team than the Brewers, but they only have 48 games left to pick up 10 games, and they aren’t THAT much better. They’d basically have to win every game against both STL and MIL going forward to be relevant.
Interesting that the Brewers are in first, with a +5 pythag, and second/third place are both below their pythag. Especially given the way the Brewers have played at home, vs on the road.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
how was/is cin pythag w-l better than mil? i just don't get that at all
cin was HIGHLY overrated
Balls
brewers are eventually going to feel the sting of not having rickie weeks in the lineup
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 9, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I keep forgetting he's no longer on the team.
Everytime I’m reminded I get more hope. That makes their middle infield Yuni and Jerry Hairston right?
Holy shit that’s worse than the Cards before we got Furcal. They are moving backward, we are moving forward from trade deadline.
I have a little more hope than I did before.
and Lopez
who is better than Theriot. I kind of feel like Theriot is John Mozeliak’s personal punishment to me for hating on Felipe Lopez, because TLR kept starting him at SS over Brendan Ryan.
Please stop, Mo.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
John Hamm & Mad Men give Albert a shout out
also i want to see more of Peggy in shorts either next season or somewhere else
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