Down the Stretch with Fernando Salas
If you blinked, you missed the Pittsburgh Pirates pretty epic slide over the last few weeks. Since July 21st, their last off day, the Pirates have lost 13 of 16 games including a 9 game losing streak. They've put themselves 9 games back of first place joining the Reds on the second tier of NL Central teams and probably beyond reach of the division.
More lamentable for their fanbase is that their winning percentage now stands at .482 and they're 4 games below .500. Anyone who was popping corks around the All Star break may want put the champagne back on ice.
The Cardinals meanwhile are missing some opportunities to make up their three game deficit to the Brewers. Dropping 2 of 3 to the lowly Mets, 2 of 4 to the cellar dwelling Astros and losing 2 of 3 to the Brewers all after the All Star break does not a championship team make. The club is on a nice three game win streak courtesy of the Marlins before an offday tomorrow. (Aside: Does it seem like we've had an inordinate number of offdays this year? It does to me.)
On Tuesday, the Brewers will come to Busch Stadium for a three game set followed by the Rockies. It would be an opportune time for the Birds to sweep the Brewers but you can probably get by with a 4-2 showing over those six games. With just 47 games left after today, the Cardinals can't afford to fall further back than their current three games in the quest for the NL Central Championship. They need to stand up as tall as their dwarfy legs can hold them and be the tallest midget in this crowd.
Fernando Salas picked up his 21st save in 24 opportunities closing out a 2-1 game started by Chris Carpenter. The Cardinals bullpen was an unmitigated disaster to start the year as Ryan Franklin finally lost his pinpoint control, which, admittedly, happened about 4 years later than I expected it too. Miguel Batista's inexplicable usage in high leverage situations -- he had a 1.41 leverage index when entering games (1.00 is generally considered a neutral-ish leverage) -- turned a depth reliever into a veteran debacle for no good reason. The Cardinals tried variations of Jason Motte and Mitchell Boggs before the latter was banished to Memphis to become a starter. How did that turn out by the way?
From the ashes of failed closers, rose Salas who has shown exceptional command and poise on the mound in the closer's role. Sabermetrics and common sense has taught us that the "closer" is something of a fallacy. When the heart of the opposing lineup appears in the 8th inning that is likely to be the most critical portion of relief innings for the pen. Designating, and strictly adhering to, a traditional closer's role can be misguided.
Fortunately for the Cardinals, the trio of Mitchell Boggs, Jason Motte and Lance Lynn have all proven to be more than capable of handling high-leverage situations. A pair of former starters and a former catcher makes for an unlikely backbone to the bullpen but it seems fitting given that the closer was never expected to be a closer. Salas was often overshadowed by his harder throwing counterparts in the minor leauges. Control has slowed Francisco Samuel's path to the big leagues and Eduardo Sanchez's shoulder remains a tenuous thing.
The arrival of Salas a major league relief pitcher isn't surprising. The quality of his stuff and the control has been extremely impressive though. You won't find him on any former top 10 lists and I'll admit that I didn't see him as more than a middle reliever either. Salas throws three pitches according to ball classification data: fastball, slider & changeup. I've garnered a healthy respect for change-ups in recent weeks and Salas is a good example of why.
His ability to throw all three of those pitches for strikes is important but his changeup has allowed him to neutralize left handed hitters so that there's little discernible platoon split. In some ways, Salas remains an unusual closer for the Cardinals with the rather tepid fastball velocity (91-92) and below-average groundball percentage. On a rating of his pure stuff even now, it would probably be confirmation bias to say he has closer's stuff. Fernando Salas simply pitches with accuracy and a good mix of his pitches to keep hitters off balance.
If the Cardinals are going to make a run down the stretch, they'll need Salas to maintain his stranglehold on the closer's role. Tony LaRussa is unlikely to end the parade of 1000 relievers even if he has a closer but the Cardinals need a solid back of the pen. They aren't in a position where they can allow games to slip away like they did in the first few months. Fernando Salas, unexpected closer though he may be, is critical to their chance at a Central championship.
136 comments
|
1 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
"It would be an opportune time for the Birds to sweep the Cardinals"?
Do they really want to do that?
heh
There was a fist fight among the wedding party at the reception I was at last night. I am completely unapologetic for any writing flubs I’ve got today.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
A Dothraki wedding without three deaths is considered a dull affair
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 7, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thats how we roll in my Khalasar
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Ferd's pitching-face is one of the least silly-puttylike I've ever seen
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I vote we call 'em crazy white kids Bottelynn
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Mike Stanton hits a baseball real hard
and we have been lucky to keep him in check this series. Garcia has not seemed exactly right lately to me lately and I’ve been a little anxious when he pitches.
Hope he can keep Stanton from launching one in a close game today. Don’t want to face Milwaukee four games out Tuesday.
last but not least
sadly, Rox are not currently carrying one Joe Mather. He continues with his bombardier ways. That team’s hosting Memphis right now.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The Cardinals are four games out of the wild card.
I don’t know why, but I was surprised by that.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
yeah I thought it was a larger gap.
W.Card W L STRK PCT GB ATL 65 49 L1 .570 - ARI 61 52 L3 .540 3.5 STL 61 53 W3 .535 4.0 NYM 56 56 W1 .500 8.0 FLA 55 58 L3 .487 9.5
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's like OK Corral
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Doesn't pertain to the WC but for the playoffs, Philly is on fire in the East
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
on pace to win 106 games...
they are looking like a juggernaut this year
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I feel it's safe to say they are a juggernaut this year.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I’d say so. I start wondering some times, is it time to create the “super” baseball division yet and move the Phillies, Braves, Yankees, Red Sox, and Tampa Bay there yet?
If the Phillies make the series this year (assuming we can’t get our act together, I hope they beat the Yankees. (Well, actually, I hope someone dumps the Yankees before then. Can’t stand the Yankees.)
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
Peter Gammons
tweeted this earlier this morning:
It is remarkable that it is August and the only team in the AL Central and NL West with a positive run differential is Arizona
And yet it’s the NL Central that gets ragged on…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
wait that doesnt make sense. arizona is in the AL central, too?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
oh wait i get it
no one in the AL central has a positive run differential?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
Meanwhile, we're tied with Atlanta for second best run differential in the NL.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Also
San Francisco has a slightly negative run differential, but they’re 10 games over .500.
Cincinnati has the fourth best run differential in the NL (expected w-l of 60-53) but they are 5 games under .500.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Cueto's so weird this year
He is striking out fewer people, walking ever so slightly more, and pitching a curveball apparently. At the same time he’s giving up way fewer home runs, getting more ground balls, and has a BABIP-against around .230 instead of his normal .290 or so. It’s like he’s either getting really lucky or Jocketty blackmailed Dave Duncan into working with him on the side.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I concur and Dunc part is funny. One reason we need to keep TLR is...
DD’s magic pitcher dust. Also I was referring to Cueto bitching about lack of run support from Reds earlier in year, while they were leading NL in run support.
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to keep TLR
just until Carp is ready to retire and fill Dunc’s shoes.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
by monkeysareblue on Aug 7, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
McClellan sent him a peripheral smoke-and-mirrors spell book.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, old habits die hard
We’re a better division than those two, but we still don’t have any top flight teams, so we look mediocre. We have two or three good teams though.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I miss the days of
2003-2005(6) when I could talk to AL East fans and make a compelling argument we had the stronger division.
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
by monkeysareblue on Aug 7, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I wouldn't write off the wild card chances yet
or even getting ahead of the brewcrew… if we can beat up on the pirates, that will make up some ground since we play them a lot still.
does anyone know how the strength of schedules of stl and milwaukee stack up? I know both have relatively easy schedules.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 7, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This sounds an awful lot like Ryan Franklin over the past few years.
On a rating of his pure stuff even now, it would probably be confirmation bias to say he has closer’s stuff…simply pitches with accuracy and a good mix of his pitches to keep hitters off balance.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Salas misses too many bats to be like Franklin
I think his comp is Joakim Soria.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!
Fastball Velocity
Soria: 91.2
Salas:
Fangraphs pitch value on change-up
Soria: 2.1
Salas: 4.2
Fangraphs value on slider
Soria: 2.9
Salas: 2.4
Fangraphs value on curveball
Soria: 1.3
Salas: N/A
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've been thinking about it
What IS stuff? Is it pure fastball velocity/offspeed movement? Is it the ability to generate whiffs?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
I think it's movement and velocity.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So what do you a call a guy with an 89 mph with a 10+ K/9 or a 95 mph pitcher with nice offspeed stuff (Edwin Jackson) who only gets 6-7 K/9?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
I'd say Jackson has better raw stuff but that the 89-MPHer better uses his lesser stuff.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
How does one better use their stuff?
Command? Pitch sequencing?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Yes and yes.
Command, in particular.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'd like to see an example of a player with an 89mph fastball that has 10K/9.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Koji Uehara is the first example I could find.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
David Riske is the second example I found.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
J.P. Howell is the third example
and he does it with a 86 MPH FB.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
Kiki Calero in 2009 did it.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
All relievers, no?
I can’t tell what rui is aiming at with his question but I’d say that there are other factors than pure velocity/movement that affect pitcher strikeout rates. Types of pitches, handedness, delivery deception, pitch sequencing. It seems like the guys with slow fastball rates and high K rates are clearly the outliers so I’d be disinclined to try and develop a universal theory rather than look at the huge correlation between velocity and strikeouts.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I'd agree
If either is really high then it’s considered good stuff, at least in my view. I think a pitcher also has to have more than one pitch that would classify as a “good stuff” pitch. It is a fairly nebulous concept, now that I think about it…
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a scout term and a lot of those are nebulous.
That being said, a lot of descriptors in baseball are nebulous. I think this has to do with various levels of development and the various expectations for different roles.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Curious; is there a term for the ability to generate a lot of whiffs without great stuff?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Does such a pitcher exist?
You have to have good stuff to generate swings-and-misses, in my opinion. Even if a guy has an 89-MPH fastball, he isn’t going to last very long unless it has good movement or is accompanied by good if not great offspeed offerings.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I guess that comes back to definitions again, right?
I mean, Brandon Webb never threw harder than 88-9 or so, but had turbo movement and posted pretty good K-numbers when he was still healthy. I’d say he had pretty good stuff due to the movement he generated. Others would argue his stuff wasn’t good b/c none of it was hard. So, like was mentioned a moment ago, it’s kind of a nebulous concept when you think about it.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Averages are on the player pages.
click average.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!
so the league avg K/9 for this year is 7.03?
do we have a consensus on what is a lot of whiffs?
Also, those things have been hiding in almost plain sight forever.
league average has been around 8.5% for the last three years
10%+ on whiffs is probably a good threshold for those with a lot of whiffs.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|FREE TYLER GREENE!
Crafty?
I mean Marcum maybe, but his offspeed stuff is filthy.
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!
you know man, it's stuff
just….stuff
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/4/11)
101 1/3 IP, 114 K, 44 BB/HBP, 39 ER, 5 HR, 2.89 FIP
Salas v. Soria career
I’m willing to say I could be wrong on this one:
Salas – FB (91.3), SL (81.0), CH (85.0)
Soria – FB (91.4), SL (80.5), CH (84.5), CB (69.9)
Soria has an extra pitch to get people out.
Salas – SwStr% (11.6%)
Soria – SwStr% (10.8%)
Soria’s just done it for longer – and I think that living in KC and seeing his dominance in 08-09 really encouraged me to be on his side – since the Royals have so little to look forward to. Seeing him come into games with a lead has been the highlights of many summers for my friends who are die hard Royals’ fans.
Soria kinda looks like Wainwright to me
At least superficially. Waino’s slider is faster, his curveball faster. His change is slower. More grounders.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
No idea how the movement on their pitches would compare. I can only do so much with cursory looks at Fangraphs
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Franky never had K numbers like Salas
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Salas's stuff > Franklin's stuff
Salas also doesn’t need to mix it up nearly as much as Franklin either. His fastball alone is better than any pitch Franklin has.
Fastballs
If you compare their FBs using Pitch F/X some surprising information can be found. Here’s how their avg. career FBs stack up. As a note, I’m using the FA’s, though Pitch F/X did classify several of each’s fastballs as FTs(two-seam). Most were FAs, so I’m going with that.
Name: mph/horizontal/vertical
Salas: 91.2/-4.3/10.3
Franklin: 91.5/-5.2/8.2
Fairly similar. Both have to locate very well to get guys out on their FBs b/c neither throw particularly hard or with unbelievable movement. Franklin didn’t do that at all this year with any pitches and that was it for him.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know.
i was being a bit facetious. Salsa has what 8.9k/9 this year?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Fair enough
As of today that K-rate is 8.78, coupled with a nifty BB/9 of 2.32. The dude can pitch.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be comparing the discarded relievers with the new relievers in tomorrow's main post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
With self-calculated league averages!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Unfortunately, no.
I didn’t have time this weekend to put that together. Instead, you’ll get to look at how bad the castoffs were as compared to the new relievers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Do you just need it for 2011? I can do that real quick if you want
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
I wound up making far larger tables than I had intended and just didn't have the time to get the league-average for:
ERA, FIP, xFiP, LOB%, SwStr%, Contact%, K/9, BB/9, FB Velocity (if that’s even possible), Inherited runner scoring percentage, and WPA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
But you do want this information, yes?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Absolutely
For the life of me, I can’t figure out why Fangraphs doesn’t have such information on a “League Average” page.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
They have league averages for some stuff
But you can’t exclude it to just relievers. Annoying.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Exactly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Here
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Sorry about the terrible formatting
I have to go to brunch in like 10 minutes and it felt like a lot of work
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
It's no big deal.
I’ll just type them into a table for the post. Thanks for putting this together.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It depends more on when you wake up
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Perhaps not if they are serving lunch and breakfast
Drooool/Ah Pancakes
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks a lot.
Now, I get to go add to the tables.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is that on the Leaders tab or the individual players or both?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Also, including starting pitchers in an average for gauging relievers seems off to me.
What do you think?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Those guys stunk
A friend of mine who is a Royals fan were emailing a bit last night and I stressed how terrible the 2011 Cards bullpen, V 1.0 was. Franklin and Batista were leaned on very heavily early in the year and both were absolutely dreadful. Now that all of the dead weight is gone, the Cards pen suddenly looks pretty promising. I’m looking forward to seeing exactly how big of a shift you’ve come up with.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The Royals' pen this year had been a bright spot as well
I haven’t looked at their stats since the AS break.
Man do I love watching that infield play.
To see Descalso, Schumaker, and Furcal throw to first base is high value entertainment.
Much different than just a few weeks ago with the addition of Furcal
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like the Furcal addition.
it may very well be because Theriot lowered my expectations so much that Furcal had no other choice but to be an improvement. But…
FURCAMANIA IS RUNNING WILD BROTHER!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Aug 7, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rewatching the highlights from last night
we caught so many breaks, and benefitted from two very bad calls. we probably should not have won that game. it makes we wonder if its retribution from the gobs, or if we owe them now.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
so true
It’s amazing we are still in this with all the injuries…so let’s cash in now and everyone stays healthy through rest of season!
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i missed the game
we had dinner guests last night. What were the bad calls?
Grit != flat out sucking.
the stanton "trap" of the furcal hit in the first was the most blinding example
mostly because albert’s homer came right afterwards.
I think there was a close call at first that went the cards way, but I can’t remember the specifics..
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
today's lineup
Furcal SS, Theriot 2B, Pujols 1B, Holiday LF, Berkman RF, Jay CF, Cruz C, Descalso 3B, Garcia P
that’s three games for freese now. he should have been DL’d
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
p.s. glad to see cruz in there, rather than laird
he played well at C yesterday
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
I like Cruz as a backup catcher
I’d imagine he’d be back full-time next season and that the organization would let Bryan Anderson roam free.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Why no Furcal?
Tony said today that Freezer is running and hitting today or tomorrow “coming along nicely”
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This coming from a guy...
…who at the beginning of the season thought there was a cloud of doom over this team… The emergence of all these young guys in the bullpen has been one of the most exciting developments of the season, right behind Berkman’s re-emergence as a crusher of baseballs and the long-overdue dismissal of Colby Rasmus’s stupid face and his stupid… face.. I was emailing an old friend of mine who is a Royals fan, and was very joyful to type out the stat-lines of Salas, Motte, Boggs, Lynn, and Sanchez (who is hopefully going to be back healthy at some point, even if not necessarily this year). I really like the Cards bullpen right now, and anyone who thinks the pen needs further help at this point hasn’t been paying any attention.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
I know it's been linked to before - probably by me, even - but
It’s something to brighten up the Cardinal faithful on a potential Sunday 4-game sweep day.
Curse you. Now my wife wonders why I'm sitting in front of the computer, crying.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Aug 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too!
But I’m a lumberjack and IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII’m ok. I work all day and I
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
get it right or pay the price
I sleep all night and I work all day.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 7, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i didnt read the whole thing,
think i ve read some of it before. It starts to anger me that MLB didnt do the spectacle for him at the ASG they did for Ted..
because TLR
I had an insight today while discussing this posting with my sons
and I’m curious whether people think there’s anything to it.
Sabermetric wisdom is that “closer” is no different than any other relief role, and to some extent, I agree. However, I do think it lends itself to a different kind of pitcher. If you have a guy like Franklin, who didn’t have one overpowering pitch but threw a lot of different stuff, then all it takes is for one of those pitches not to be working, and his effectiveness will be diminished until he figures out he can’t use that pitch. A starter has that time. If he gives up a run or two in the first while he’s figuring out that he shouldn’t use the slider today, he still has five or six innings left to get the pitch selection right. A closer doesn’t have that luxury. One single use of a non-working pitch can equal a blown save, and calumny. By contrast, a 99-mph fastball ALWAYS works. If a closer knows he can throw that, he doesn’t have to screw around figuring out which pitch in his assortment he has to avoid.
So maybe there really is something to a closer being “different.” It’s not a matter of mindset or disposition, it’s a matter of how reliable the toolkit is. Franklin’s mediocre but varied toolkit ceased to be reliable, and he ceased to be effective. Mariano Rivera basically has one tool in the kit, but it always works, 100% of the time. Hopefully Salas will be closer to the Rivera extreme, with a more limited repertory but one that he can absolutely rely on.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
I think you could extend that to all relievers too
Bullpen pitchers generally have to get ready quickly and may or may not have 100% command of all of their pitches. They are, to some extent, all trick pitchers*, who do one or two things really well and hope they can do that long enough that the other team’s hitters don’t figure them out before the reliever’s outing is over. If that trick isn’t working that day then the pitcher will struggle. Starters, in theory, all have a few ways to go at hitters.
As a side note, I’m hoping the organization realizes Scrabble may be less of a trick guy and more of a “have a few ways” guy and gives him a shot in the rotation next year. I’m not optimistic.
*And yes I do consider a guy who throws gas to be a trick pitcher.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so much the "long man" or the "mopup guy"
But yeah, true of relievers in general.
What I hadn’t realized before was that it only takes that one broken-down pitch to make a closer, or other short guy, ineffective.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Aug 7, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Particularly b/c most closers...
…really only throw two pitches or so. Hell, Rivera only throws one (but with such amazing movement and command that one can be used in several ways). Guys like Soria and Franklin, who use a few more pitches, are pretty rare, and even then if they lose one of their better pitches they’re up a creek. Franklin had the nasty disease of Loseallyourpitchesitis. That wasn’t pretty at all.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And by closers I meant often used relievers.
I swear I’m not this old…
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 7, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There used to be just Pitchers ala Bob Gibson
If they could do it all then w/o steroids, healthy living, advances in surgery techniques, etc. They could do it now.
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I second that feeling
I agreed say Ay those in disagreement say Nay.
Pause
Ay’s have it then
Secretary document it in the minutes.
New business
11 in '11
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 7, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
last night i was feeling theyd both lose
it kinda goes with the season, but lets go for a sweep eh
because TLR

by 























