Now, a word from J.D. Drew on the Yadier Molina suspension
by DanUpBaby on Aug 5, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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[While I'm minimally connected to the internet: a guest post dictated just kind of whenever, courtesy of J.D. Drew, who was an okay outfielder for the Cardinals. Full-sized posts return Monday, when I have a full-sized computer for the first time in two months.]
Guys, I'm not--I don't think they--okay, okay. It was a pretty good game for the St. Louis Cardinals yesterday. Albert Pujols hit then ball really far, and it's pretty good when he does that. As he ages it seems like he should eventually start hitting home runs as a bigger chunk of his offensive value, like, since he can't run without wincing and he doesn't really hit the ball to the opposite field anymore, and periodically I guess it seems like he's going to start doing that. It kind of has, but not really, which is okay--after bouncing between 33-ish and 40-ish percent for a while it's up past 50% this year. Which, I guess people were hoping it wouldn't happen with the same amount of home run value as usual and less of everything else, hehe.
Then there was Kyle Lohse, oh, yeah! Since June his control has still been kind of great, like, he's not walking anybody, but he's also stopped striking anybody out, and with that has come a really high slugging percentage. If his comeback means he's just an average pitcher again that's still great news, but the Cardinals as we knew them in April and May were kind of predicated on some outstanding pitching performances from Kyle Lohse and Kyle McClellan, who yesterday managed to combine for a quality start. Getting the real Chris Carpenter back and adding Edwin Jackson is actually a pretty dece strategy for replacing that production, but I guess we'll see what happens.
So I think I got assigned this post because your blog guy wanted to make a contrast between my kinda-thereness and Yadier Molina's five game suspension, which sucks pretty bad. Molina got all intense and now the Cardinals only have two catchers on their roster. Obviously if Yadier Molina gets suspended for five games every 900 it's not a big deal, like, not even for people who think in terms of big and small deals.
But what does that do? Did the Cardinals win yesterday because of Yadier Molina getting suspended? Is Albert Pujols's wrist safe because Jason Motte threw at somebody else? This all seems kind of dumb--kind of outside the game of baseball, like when hockey stops and everybody starts fighting and the officials, I don't know what they're called, all just kind of stand there even though the benefits seem unclear to the fighting teams and the whole thing is clearly against the rules and if you just suspended the next 10 guys who fought for 10 games, bam, no fighting.
What I'm saying is that you guys--who, thanks for valuing defense and on-base percentage and all that, 50 bWAR is super nice--have questioned a million things that were seen in years past as clearly important to some semi-understood momentum component of baseball: The bunt, stealing bases willy-nilly, mustaches. Being a baseball-hardass and players policing the game seems like it could be another one of those things, maybe. I don't know.
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Come on JD
The mustaches are AWESOME!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 5, 2011 8:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
50 bWAR
Why must I always be sad when I read VEB
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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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by albrtfn on Aug 5, 2011 8:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
man, i never realized how GOOD JD actually was...
i knew he was pretty good, but he is really good.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Good and hated
by many Cardinals fans who didn’t like someone who was smooth, who didn’t seem to “care” about the game, who never seemed to be giving it all on the field, and goshdarn it, was injured a lot and never was willing to play through the pain. In short, all natural talent, no grit.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 5, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like rasmus
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 5, 2011 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's got a good eye
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 5, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cardinals have gotten 22 bWAR from that trade and still have whatever Wainwright gives them in the future.
Drew was unlikely to sign with the Cardinals, or so it seemed at the time. If he did not sign with the Cardinals after reaching free agency, then the Cards only missed out on his 2004 season. In that case, the Cardinals only missed out on 7.5 bWAR. That means the Cardinals’ net gain has already been 14.5 bWAR in that deal.
That'ts the thing
people tend to forget. The Cardinals didn’t run him out of town they felt they couldn’t resign him so they got maximum value for him. (Hey Mo! The correct way to wheel and deal!)
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
I need more details on how our happy, wonderful, loving clubhouse that likes to play yahtzee and sing ’Kumbaya" around camp fires together, got in a fight.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Clubhouse chemistry
my shiny metal ass. (Oh wait that’s you.)
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on Aug 5, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's just so little out there.
McKernan confirms kerfuffle with Mozeliak
StL P-D Story – Of course, Saint Albert mediated it.
McKernan follows up with … no details
I hope that’s the last time I ever link to insideSTL.com — I may go to Grantland just to wash the internet VD off.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
There is an article
on the mobile stl today site with Rick Hummel but it’s not on the main site. It only says they yelled at each other, no punches were thrown, and Albert mediated. That’s it. BORING!
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
like I said yesterday
this crap happens in every clubhouse every year. It just so happens that this XM radio guy happened to witness this and tweeted about it. It’s good stuff for that guy because he gets some more listeners for a couple of days and gets a little more attention. It’s unfortunate that it got out, especially since Yadi just took a pretty good hit to his image with the umpire incident, but I’d be willing to bet we hear no more details about it. I’m sure it was the reason for yesterday’s closed door meeting and it was made clear that nothing else would be said to the media about the incident.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Listen up, buddy.
I’m a robot. I don’t feel a lot and I generally don’t like people. Also, since lady-bots are typically about as interesting as a toaster (and not the kind you put genitals in), I have to live vicariously.
This radio guy saw the “disagreement” because Yadier Molina led with the patented Dave Duncan punch to the groin but was surprised by Gerald Laird’s balls of steel. Laird countered with a right hook to the neck tattoo followed up by a left hook to the neck tattoo. Asian letters everywhere cringed. As Laird went for the KO, Molina (accidentally) got some “sweat” in his Laird’s eye — he would never do that on purpose; not even during a fight. Molina was almost ready to end him with a catcher squat-to-roundhouse-kick-your-head-off move but Albert descended from the rafters (no one is really sure why he’s always in the damn rafters) and said “Peace be upon you, mang.” Molina and Laird wept, hugged and proceeded about their business.
That’s how it went down and I’ll hear nothing – NOTHING I say – to the contrary.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 24 recs
we can roll with that if you like
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Needs moar blockquote if you this version to stick
But it sounds probable.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Aug 5, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what can those two possibly be arguing about
and that’s assuming they can even understand each other..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Maybe that's the problem.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on Aug 5, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have it on good authority
that Ryan Theriot told Yadier Molina that Gerald Laird thought his tattoos were gay.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe it's just me,
but this was a tough read. In the end, it’s clear as mud.
I’ll read it again after another cup of coffee.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
Read it out loud
in JD Drews voice.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on Aug 5, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea, I know.
easy to tell it’s not DanUp.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Aug 6, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
This scheduling makes no sense to me whatsoever
The Cardinals are making their last regular-season visit to Sun Life Stadium (Joe Robbie Stadium, Pro Player Stadium, etc.) this weekend, but they are scheduled to play the first regular-season game at the Florida Marlins’ new ball park April 4, according to multiple major league sources.
The Cardinals, who share spring training facilities in Jupiter, Fla., with the Marlins, are scheduled to play just one season-opening game, on a Wednesday, against the Marlins before moving on to a weekend series in Milwaukee. The Cardinals then would return to face the Marlins in a more extended series here later.
I bet they play the final spring training game against the fish at their new place.
Then start the regular season in Milwaukee.
It would be retarded to have a 1-game series. Wait – what am I talking about this is MLB. #ThisTimeItCounts
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Actually no. The Marlins are playing the Yankees for 2 exhibition games first.
The Marlins, who will have a retractable roof facility for the first time in their existence, are slated to play the New York Yankees in two exhibition games at the new park April 1-2. The park is as yet unnamed.
It kind of makes sense.
If the Marlins are worried about selling out the opening of the new stadium, they have hedged, betting that Cardinal fans will fill any void left by Marlin fans. Surely quite a few St. Louisans will be down in Jupiter for the conclusion of Spring Training. Why not head on up to Miami and catch the club’s Opening Day game, too?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That would make sense, duh!
Don’t you know, nothing that MLB powers-that-be do make sense? Come on now.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not the first time
Washington opened their stadium with a Sunday night game against the Phillies, then had a different opponent for their first three-game series. Yeah, makes no sense to me either.
Freese's Concussion
Sounds like Freese may be out until Tuesday. So now they will only be playing with a 23 man roster for the weekend? It seems to me that maybe they have to consider using the 7 day DL and call up someone.
I thought the 7-day DL only existed in the minors.
I remember folks talking about it being implemented in MLB. Did this already happen?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That is a smart decision by MLB.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it is
and it should be a smart decision by the Cardinals to take advantage of it.
Grit != flat out sucking.
don't you have a fantasy team?
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 5, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like the obvious move is to bring up M. Carp
Or maybe Tyler Greene given that DD can play 3rd. Since those would be somewhat obvious, I’m sure they won’t happen.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 5, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, we could follow the Pedro Feliz strategy, which is to find the lowest-WAR player we possibly can who is primarily a third baseman
According to Fangraphs I believe this means we would trade for Chris Johnson.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
That's probably why Houston relegated him to AAA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I thought I remembered him being sent down
We could still trade for him, right?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I believe they would have to release him.
Since he has options, I don’t think he can be placed on waivers like a Pedro Feliz or Woody Williams. This is just speculation, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sounds complicated
Surely there’s a more easily-acquired third baseman who is awful enough for us to pick him up. I’ll have to do some more research.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Acquire Pedro Feliz a second time? Hmm... sounds intriguing.
After all, it “worked” for Aaron Miles.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I initially read that as "that's probably why Houston got relegated to AAA"
and basically thought “yeah, I thought that would probably happen one of these days”.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a friend who thinks this should happen in baseball,
despite the set-up of the minor-league system.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Memphis are pretty awful this year
so Houston. I guess the Redbirds would be about a 55-60 win team in MLB.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I know people who think US soccer should have a relegation system
It’s a stupid idea
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Wouldn't be the worst idea actually
At least in sports where teams can basically tank the end of the season to get a better pick. Not sure if it would be necessary in MLB since those draft picks take forever to reach the majors and teams have so many of them anyway.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't hit at all in AAA
not sure how much he’s been playing the field either. I think they may need a bit longer with Craig; if he’s not hitting he’s really not worth much. I’m hoping it’s MCarp and they just give him the everyday job until Freese is back, but I’m not holding my breath. I guess Dirty Dan is the 3B for now, and we have to put up with Skip (who’s actually been pretty OK the last month or so) and Theriot (who really hasn’t) at 2B.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I could get behind this as well
McCarp has nothing left to prove in AAA. They are going to need to figure out what the plan is re Freese/Cox/Carp this winter anyway so I would think they should see what Carp has to offer.
boooo hissss
don’t hate on freese
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
you do almost have to wonder if he's cursed
sold his soul and didn’t deliver his end of the bargain or something
Met a man down at the crossroads one moonless night
and bought a bat that would let him play the game of baseball like no man alive…but at what price?
The major flaw with this theory is that I assume your immortal soul brings better return than pretty good contact skills, abnormally high BABIP, and middling power.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
if that's what happened, i'd dothe same thing
iffin i believed in (redacted for violating religious clause on veb)
I like Freese,
but it worries me that he needs a .372 BABIP to post a .362 wOBA. The 6.1% walk rate is awful low. I’d like to see what Carpenter can do.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude on Little Rock radio this morning
said something like “Zach Cox really hit well last night. He’s going to be called up to St. Louis soon.”
Really? right……. (BTW, the guy was at last night’s game in which Cox went 4 for 5)
He then made me laugh with his list of things that have happened since the Cubs last won a World Series.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 5, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If then
he could, conceivably, be brought up just to give him a taste and to let him face some MLB pitching. I don’t expect him to make the team next spring by any means.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 5, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Helmet
Does anyone think that, after getting a concussion from the beaning, Freese will wear one of the giant batting helmets?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Like this?
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Freese sounded pretty good yesterday
Unfortunately, I learned with the David Perron deal with the Blues that it doesn’t necessarily mean a whole lot. I think it would be good to give him the week and see how he does in the coming days.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 5, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Men in sports sometimes seem to not be able to keep their tempers. Getting suspended like Vadier Molina did for lashing out is not only poor quality as a person, but very bad for a player’s image to the fans.
Halloween World
Gosh, J.D. Drew, you're so frustrating!
You provide clever insight with your idea that maybe the SABRistic internet baseball community could turn its curious and analytic attention on the “unwritten rules” of baseball, which is obviously cool. But man, you just don’t seem like you care very much about your own idea! I mean, would it kill you to throw some more exclamation points in there, or some italics to show how enthusiastic you are? Maybe provide some more examples? And seriously, how come you don’t come up with more of these ideas? When you do come up with them they’re really cool, but you just aren’t the kind of guy who appears on a front page post often enough for your level of intellect.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Aug 5, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
And his writing is way to smooth
Add some clunky sentences for fucks sake.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 5, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He just kind of said what he thought without very much embellishment.
I think he should try to sell the narrative more with some flash and bang. Maybe a Homeric simile or some alliterations, I dunno.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Aug 5, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It just doesn't look like he's trying very hard to get his point across.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Aug 5, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I think he took a few paragraphs off.
by OCCardsFan on Aug 5, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
People keep saying "writer's block" but I don't even know if I believe that's a real thing.
A real write would write through it. Just grind it out and get it done.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Aug 5, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
You're on a roll today.
Please continue.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If it were really Drew,
he would have acquired Carpal’s Tunnel syndrome halfway through the article and had to quit writing.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
i know!
yet another article written by danup in the tone of some baseball related character. when is he going to get serious and write like he cares about the game of baseball? oh and stop the presses – danup is only partially available because of computer issues YET AGAIN. you know, i think he’s faking a lot of these computer crashes. besides most writers would just man up and grind through articles anyway. it’s frustrating as a fan of VEB to watch.
furthermore, we have to face facts VEB. danup’s talents are too widely noticed for us to expect him to be around forever. someone is going to come along any day and offer him a job as the royal palace’s official scribe (ok, i don’t know what the most coveted job for a writer is but if you do just imagine i wrote it instead). i say we just face that fact and trade him now for a good return.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
(parody)
(serious version of this post can be found on my blog that i apparently have in addition to links to articles explaining all the references i make and in depth explanation of jokes)
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can somebody program an auto-rec program for all of this dude's posts?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Al believes it's time for DanUp to go.
Anyone who thinks otherwise just isn’t close enough to the situation, aka too fucking stupid to realize what a douche Rasmus DanUp is.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Calm down Johnny Mo
there’s no way Danup gets through waivers
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Aug 5, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody doubts DanUp's potential ..
But will he ever reach it here? Flashes of brilliance, yes, but continually getting distracted and taking bad routes and throwing off Samuel Beckett parodies instead of hitting the cutoff man. I say Win Now: move him for Murray Chass and blow Joe Strauss out of the water.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
by alberich on Aug 5, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I really think the problem is MomUp
She’s been seen in the writing cages with Dan. He is only allowed to work with Lboros for writing advice. We cannot allow MomUp’s interference. It is a distraction.
by OCCardsFan on Aug 5, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
MomUp claims not to have written with Dan since April
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
by d-dee on Aug 5, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
I don't care if she is a High School English teacher, what does she know about writing a professional blog?
by OCCardsFan on Aug 5, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I have it from an unnamed source that he wouldn't have had any Harry Potter books if not for MomUp!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 5, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
HAHAHA
You didn’t make it to serious!
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
#LazyDanUp
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
by hazel on Aug 5, 2011 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
You can relocate any single baseball franchise from one city to another
in an effort to improve attendance and general perception of the team. Which team do you move and what city do you move it to?
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
It worked so well the first time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Okay Seriously
I’d move Oakland but I don’t know where.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
Baltimore needs new ownership
not a new city
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Aug 5, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
this
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, they've spent quite a lot on the team
just tough to compete, really ever, in that division without a lot of luck. I seriously think that four of the five best teams in baseball are in the AL East next year. It’s totally ridiculous.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Tampa to Vegas
out of the oppression of the AL East and into the bright lights of Vegas, the Vegas Rays would dominate the AL West for years to come.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Vegas Rays
I like the sound of that. Even looks right on paper (internet paper)
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
I was thinking of Vegas as a destination
But I think there’s a good chance they’d want to change the name so something more Vegas-y. Like the Gamblers or the Aces or something.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
When they got bad they'd be somewhat lovingly referred to as the Craps
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Aug 5, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
A check under the "Pro" column regarding Vegas as a destination.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I was thinking either the Aces, Gamblers, or Black Jacks.
Surely they could come up with a cool logo and aesthetic as well. Some sort of black and red color scheme to call to mind cards, roulette, etc.
I honestly find this sort of thing way more fun than the original question, because my idea were pretty unoriginal.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
The Vegas Black Sox has a nice ring to it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hence why I think they'd go with Aces
Too much negative connotation with gambling in baseball
Still not a werewolf.
I like Spades better.
Say ‘Vegas Aces’ to yourself and then ‘Vegas Spades’. The latter rolls off the tongue better.
And they can name their ballpark the Vegas Diamond. The possibilities are endless.
From the blackhole of the Iowa TV market.
I had honestly never heard of this until seeing you mention it.
I think if people are allowed to play the card game of the same name without it being offensive, or mention the card suit, they would be allowed to name a team after said card suit.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I believe the term is...
“Black as the Ace of Spades”
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I've never heard of that slur before.
And honestly, it seems like a long leap to try to bring together that phrase and a sports team named the Spades in a place like Vegas.
From the blackhole of the Iowa TV market.
Those regions became states
It’s not post-Civil War America anymore.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
He didn't defend its use
just that it is still used. I’ve heard it.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 5, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Blah, that wasn't what I meant
I was just trying to make a joke about old people knowing it.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Hey, I'm only 33.
I’m not old yet.
And get the hell off my lawn.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I think it's more of an English thing from the Victorian era
maybe in the states as well, but it’s a bit of an anachronism. Still, it’s not a connotation you want.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think my idea of renaming the Orioles "The Baltimore Papists" is right out, however.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
No way. Clank is right.
It’s still a generally well-known slur.
Maybe not in your transvestite ivory tower, Bobo, but in general it’s still out there.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
by a fink on Aug 5, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, after the cosmetic changes.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
by a fink on Aug 5, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it's was a tower in the past
now it’s an underground tunnel system
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by YesWeOquendo on Aug 5, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I was looking for the word "oubliette"
not because of the connotations, but because I like the sound of the word.
would've.
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That's what she said.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
it's a nice tower alright
but it feels like a cottage on the inside
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Spades take to the Diamond!
Hearts of the order bring their Clubs to three game series against rivals
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by mattybobo on Aug 5, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
This the kind of thing I was talking about!
From the blackhole of the Iowa TV market.
Vegas Aces rolls waaay
better.
It’s a delightful phrase
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 5, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
"cueto suspended after kicking some aces"
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"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I resent the name Aces
My elementary school was the Apaches, and while I was there they got hit by the whole PC thing and changed it to Aces, which was lame.
MLB
The history with gambling in MLB that has led the commissioner’s office to investigation Alex Rodriguez playing poker with actors probably means that no MLB franchise will ever be located in the gambling capitol of the country.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Remember how Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris were banned for two years
because they worked in a casino?
Still not a werewolf.
oh yeah, it'll never happen
but it sounds good
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
They'd probably end up naming the team after a cactus or something.
Maybe the Coyotes? There’s already a hockey team called by that name, right?
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i've heard that there can't be any professional sports teams in vegas, because of the gambling issues
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Apparently those A-Rod rumors are bullshit though.
Can’t say I’m surprised.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 5, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
They'll be renamed
the Negotiable Affection
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
I think they should re-title them the "Rains". They could even have a cool waterdrops or storm cloud logo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renegade_(TV_series)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tampa to Portland
I also make Paul Allen buy the team and finance a new stadium.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Aug 5, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
any team moving to portland is a good idea
people really want baseball there. at least the people that i know. they are mariners fans and they are sick of the mariners
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Yup
Also, it’s by far the largest metropolitan area in the US that doesn’t have a baseball team within relatively close proximity.
It's only 140 miles to Seattle
That’s just a bit farther than Rolla to St. Louis
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false.
it is at least 168 miles away.
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My point stands
Here’s the list of metro areas by population:
1. NY
2. LA
3. Chicago
4. Dallas
5. Philly
6. Houston
7. Wash DC
8. Miami
9. Atlanta
10. Boston
11. SF/Oakland
12. Detroit
13. Riverside/San Bernardino/Ontario (really just part of the LA area, IMO)
14. Phoenix
15. Seattle
16. Minneapolis
17. San Diego
18. St. Louis
19. Tampa
20. Baltimore
21. Denver
22. Pittsburgh
23. Portland
Ranks even a little higher on the
list of the largest tv markets, which would also be relevant.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Raleigh and Charlotte are 24 & 27
Put a team in one of those cities.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I have to think changing divisions
would be a major part of the attraction for them.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
crazy idea
What if you just called them the Carolina Rays and had them play 1/2 their games in Charlotte and 1/2 their games in Raleigh?
Perhaps attendance would be better because tickets for games would be more scarce. Therefore, there would be more revenue for the team. Also the other location would still follow the team on the road, thus they would have 2 TV markets.
I don’t know if fans would be less loyal and I’m not sure how playoff games would need to be split, but it seems like this would be a good idea to me. Instead of leaving a team in one small market, give them 2 small markets and you double their resources. There is some precedence to this when Los Expos of Montreal played some games in Puerto Rico.
I don't think that would work
If the team’s going to move, it’s going to move to a place where it has a home stadium, yeah?
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2 stadiums
It probably would have been easier to do this when municipalities where throwing taxpayer money at teams to build stadiums, but why not just build 2 stadiums (or use existing one – I’m not sure if either of these cities have usable baseball stadiums).
I agree this would make things more difficult though. On the other hand, the stadiums could host other events (ie U2 concerts) while the team plays in its other city.
Make it hard to recruit players if they had to move so much
I bet you could support a team in the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area alone. That metro is growing fast, so the potential support base is only getting bigger.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Recruiting players
It seems like most players do not actually live in the city where they play anyways. Since they are on the road 1/2 the time, why not just make it 3/4? I’m not sure that this would have much of an effect on being able to get players to play for the team. I think most players would still just follow the money.
they may not permanently relocate to the city they play in
but they still have to have a residence in or around that city. In your suggestion, they’d have to have two places to stay. The extra headache would probably be enough to persuade players to sign elsewhere if the money was similar.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Just looked it up and was surprised to find out
Both Austin and San Antonio are smaller metro areas than Portland, though San Antonio is right behind Portland at #24.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 5, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
STOP BEING SO DAMN ARGUMENTATIVE!
We’re gonna plunk you. (jokes!)
Did you see that Freese got hit in the head by a Marlin last night? TLR ordered Motte to make sashimi, but, thankfully for those watching the game, Motte lacked the proper cutlery.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
I did see most of the game
I was glad they took Hensley out at that point, just for the batters’ safety. It’s terrifying to stand in there against a pitcher with such terrible control.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
San Antonio has very little metro area because they keep incorporating it into the city
Note that San Antonio is number 7 on the largest cities list. They get lots of mileage off of “we’re bigger than Dallas!”
Give it another year or two and they’ll just go ahead and incorporate Austin into the city limits.
San Antonio City Limits!
Still not a werewolf.
Austin is about the size of San Francisco
And San Francisco combined with Oakland together only make the 11th largest metro area, as you can see above. Pretty small city.
More than 500,000 people smaller
That’s a fair bit smaller when you’re talking about metro areas of less than 2.5 million people.
i missed the arbitrary stipulation
in that case, you’re right
and now that i look, austin, the city, is larger than portland, the city
and i could finally move back!
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yeah, this seems to be the best place in the U.S.
I remember Colin Wyers doing a survey on twitter, and concluded Portland was the best place for a new team.
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It IS the best place in the US.
It’s just too bad people here would rather watch soccer than baseball. I really doubt we’ll even have a AAA team again.
But hey, we do have Rob Neyer!
by mattisnotfrench on Aug 5, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Rob Neyer is just a poor man's Kenny Mayne.
(Get it?)
Someday when I'm old and have grandchildren, I'll sit them down and say, "I got to see Ryan Theriot play SS." And they'll reply, "Oh, I'm so sorry you had to experience that."
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by cardinalswsbound on Aug 5, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd move the A's, but I'm not sure where to.
Second choice is Marlins. I think the potential to grow a fan base is in Florida, but Oakland hasn’t taken to the A’s and I don’t think they will. The Overstock.com Coliseum? At least Miami’s attempting to attract a fanbase by building a new stadium.
Still not a werewolf.
Although many of these Rays ideas sound pretty good in rough theory.
They move ahead of the Marlins on my list.
Still not a werewolf.
Move both Florida teams
I don’t really believe that state exists anyway. I’d say Marlins to New Orleans, Rays to Portland.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Oakland's been trying to build one in the San Jose area, but the Giants have territorial rights or something like that, so they'll block it
Someday when I'm old and have grandchildren, I'll sit them down and say, "I got to see Ryan Theriot play SS." And they'll reply, "Oh, I'm so sorry you had to experience that."
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by cardinalswsbound on Aug 5, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays to Vancouver.
A ready-made rivalry with Seattle and a fresh start as far away from that horrible domed arena in Tampa as possible.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
They would have to play in a horribly domed arena in Vancouver, but, hey, at least it's Vancouver.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Seattle retractable roof stadium looks nice.
I’ve never been there, but I’m envisioning a new stadium similar to that one. And, while I’ve never been to Vancouver either, I think it looks beautiful and want to visit. Having a MLB team there would be a nice plus to such a visit.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Why
domed? Vancouver has great NW rainy weather. Nat Bailey stadium won’t do it, since it only holds 3,500 at best. Or are you thinking that they can play in the football stadium?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Retractable roof at least.
I’m not in the business of moving more baseball teams to Canada, so I don’t like this from the start.
They would have to play in the football stadium I would guess. Not sure where they put a new baseball stadium in Vancouver, having just been there in May.
I love that city and would love to go back, I’d just rather see Portland get a team than export more baseball to Canada.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I am not
commenting on team movement, just the Vancouver part. My 3 sons live in Vancouver, so I know it a bit. But I don’t know the sports arenas, except for Nat Bailey. They would have to tear down Nat Bailey, or maybe put it in the football stadium. Anyhow, they don’t have enough people to support a team, with Seattle to the south. Baseball in Canada seems to be pretty iffy. I lived in Montreal in the 1970s when the Expos had good teams – Steve Rogers, Andre Dawson, Cromartie, Gary Carter, etc, but once the performance fell off, so did the fans. Toronto seems to still manage, although not at the same level of support since the 1990s.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I have never heard that explanation advanced. It could be valid, since the turnstiles were turning C$, and salaries were in US$, and the exchange rate in 2004 was about US$1=$1.31 Canadian, but I thought that it was mostly poor attendance. In 2004 less than 10,000 per game.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
attendence was another major factor
But attendence sorta follows records. In 2001 Phillie was 24th in attendance. In 2011 they are number one.
Poor Expos never seemed to have recovered after the strike.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Move the Marlins to Portland
They become the Portland Salmon(s?).
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salmii
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The Portland Sockeyes?
The Portland Chinooks? None of these really rolls off the tongue.
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the portland hackeysacks?
also for consideration:
the portland you got a dollar bro?
the portland sandalwoods
the portland shower what’s a shower man you don’t see bears take showers so i’m not going to
the portland woolen caps
the portland ennui
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the portland beavers
that was the triple A team
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The Portland Heroin Addicts.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Portland Strippers.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
You're thinking of Las Vegas
See, the team would be named after the famous Strip, get it? It’s like the Phillies, a purely geographical name.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Have you seen how many strip clubs are in Portland?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Actually no
I’ve been there several times but I seem to have missed this. I have seen plenty of places in Seattle and the Seattle area though.
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This is true.
I have no idea why there are so many but my goodness, they are everywhere. Cross over to the east side of 82nd and there’s one every 10 blocks on every major street.
by mattisnotfrench on Aug 5, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
even better...
I lived there for two years and never saw one with a cover.
It was nice to go in have a normal priced local micro brew, play .50 cent pool and take in the scenery.
I even had one of the ladies off to play pool with me. She stayed topless the whole time..
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I initially read that as
Salami
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 5, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
MLS took a potential name
Timbers fits the Pacific NW logging motif thing.
The Trail Blazers already got on the Oregon Trail thing. Hey maybe the Portland Myfuckingoxendieds?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Needs more dysentery
Don’t think I’ve ever said that before.
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Aug 5, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Timber Joey might be the best mascot in America
Dude fucking chainsaws a log everytime they score
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Yeah that's what they young 'uns are calling "legit."
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Marlins won't be moved because of the new stadium, yeah?
And I know for a fact that Seattle will put up stiff opposition to a Portland team; they really like the fact that they’re isolated up there. But I don’t know how much effect that would actually have
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I was thinking of that, but I assume this exercise is too hypothetical to bother with real-world constraints like that.
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i don't remember them doing too much back when the expos were moving.
for a long time, portland was the front runner. they had the best financing plan. the indian tribes offered to pay for the stadium if the state would allow them to build a casino in the portland area. no dice.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
About as much effect as Peter Angelos had keeping baseball out of DC.
Which is to say, none.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
MLB exploited Angelos' weakness, didn't it?
By giving him money? I remember some kind of deal.
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Breaking the Rules
I would move two teams, the Rays and A’s, to New York, and move Baltimore to Boston. I solve attendance issues for all three teams, significantly reduce the financial advantage for the Mets, Yankees and Red Sox, and make it so MLB doesn’t need to add another stupid wildcardy thing. If I can move one more team I’ll put another team in Philly. Now MLB has parody.
by 51 on Aug 5, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Intriguing!
You’d create an interesting social divide in Boston—I suspect that newcomers like myself, who generally dislike the AL East giants, would latch onto the new team, while old-timers would remain loyal to the Sawx. I have no idea how it would play out in New York.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
New York
I’m sure attendance would be week for a few years for the new NY teams but unlike in StL attendance in NY is less of a component of team revenue. The media rights alone for teams in New York would probably put them in the top half of baseball. Same with Boston.
by 51 on Aug 5, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't think this works
you could MAYBE get away with moving the Marlins to Brooklyn (or perhaps New Jersey) because they get awful attendances anyway, but EVERYONE who lives in NYC and likes baseball already supports the Yankees (or Mets, I guess, someone has to). I’m just not sure a new team ends up with any fans. New Jersey arguably makes more sense because at least they don’t have a team within a couple of Metro stations already.
The idea that it reduces the financial advantage doesn’t work because everyone in Boston still follows the Sox and everyone in NYC still follows the Yanks. I’m not sure the media rights really work as a financial chip if no-one gives a shit about the team, and it’s going to make MLB look stupid when you’ve got two empty stadiums in New York.
All you do is remove a team with quite a bit of history (and, admittedly, a shitty stadium and no money) from Oakland, and a team from what I think is like the 6th biggest market in the states (B’More), which makes no sense. Also, moving Oakland upsets the divisional structure; you’ve now only got three teams in the ALW and presumably have to do something like moving Minnesota into the West and one of the teams from Boston, utterly bizarrely, into the Central, which kinda upsets the whole inner-city rivalry thing. I think Marlins make a lot more sense than the A’s for this move.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t pay attention to the teams I was moving or the divisions. Your points about Baltimore are valid.
My real point is if you are going to move teams the most obvious location in the country is the New York metro area. Doesn’t matter if its LI, NJ, BK, or SI, the metro area can support two more teams. The Yanks and Mets are successful due to an artifical advantage in that their location provides much more revenue. Add two more teams and their gate revenue will definitely decrease but so will their media rights.
Also I disagree that the two new teams in New York will not succeed. The Mets are on the bottom now but according to everyone I know were the more popular team in the 80’s. Two more teams would also give the cable companies an advantage in negotiating media rights. SNY and YES wouldn’t get nearly as much $ from TWC and Cablevision if they had two more channels to negotiate against.
by 51 on Aug 5, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the Mets were only more popular in the 80s because they won more than the Yankess
don’t see that happening again anytime soon
Oh I agree about putting a team in the NY metro area
I think I suggested Marlins>NJ. I’m just not sure two more teams is really necessary, and I’m not sure that the main point of your plan (to make NYY and NYM less lucrative and successful) would really fly as a reason for moving two more teams there.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the Florida teams to Vegas
Florida seems overrun with people who moved there from elsewhere and care more about the elsewhere teams. Miami is the bigger market so it would make sense to keep a team there, plus they’re building a new park, but on the other hand Tampa’s fans seem to turn out better. Granted, that’s probably b/c they are a really good team. But still…
There’s been discussion on this subthread about why Vegas would NOT be a place MLB would be thrilled about puting a team, but I seriously think a pro team in Sin City would do very well for itself. Obviously there would be a ton of temptations for the players, but then again teams do play in LA, Miami, and New York City, which are places not known for their calm, serene, distraction-less communities. Of course, this will never happen.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure about that
St. Louis’s violence is obviously negatively affecting the team. Clubhouse fights! Brawls! Spittle! Stripping for umpires!
Still not a werewolf.
Cubs to the Moon
no one will notice
the drunks in the bleachers at Wrigley will be there baseball or not
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oxygen is for Cardinal fans!!!
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Dodgers to Brooklyn
Okay, if not that, then Marlins to Brooklyn. NYC is a better place for a new team than any city without MLB (Portland, Vegas, etc.)
Marlins to New Joisy.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Brooklyn, as Perry suggests above
The NYC metro/New Jersey area is too big to just have two teams IMO, especially when one is the Yankees.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
(sorry, Fishstripes!)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Mexico City even a vaguely plausible possibility in this day and age?
I know the NBA talked about it a few years ago, and I imagine baseball would be bigger that basketball there. Issues with the crimerate (would anyone want to play there?) and lack of money, probably, perhaps similar to Puerto Rico.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The basis of Major League.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Drew is an interesting player
It’s easy to say that people hate him cause of injuries, but he’s not the first oft-injured good outfielder so the hatred for him is confusing. Anyway, what could have been without injuries?
In the past 13 years, he’s averaged 469 plate appearances a season (For as injured as he is, he’s a surefire bet to get to 400 plate appearances – Only missed mark twice). He’s averaged 3.6 fWAR per season in those 469 plate appearances, which means if he averaged 600 plate appearances, he’d be worth 4.6 fWAR per season if he had 600 PAs. (And over 60 career fWAR)
assuming he maintained that high level of play
If he didn’t miss so many games, he’d probably have an overall lower value/PA.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
Why?
I suppose he could have overperformed and the extra plate appearances would have brought regression, but the regression would be pretty small – he has had like 5000 plate appearances. Also, I’m sure the injuries took a toll on his performance.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Because the season is long
and taking a day off every 3 or 4 days helps keep you fresh.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
also,
much of the criticism was for things like “he doesn’t play if he’s sore” or “he asked to be taken out of the lineup for a headache”.
Players play worse, when sore, and when they have headaches.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
nice to see us get a W last night
i had golf league and didn’t see any of the game. what was with lohse only going 3 innings – high pitch count?
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We took him out because he didn't have it.
He had a high pitch count, but not to where he was forced out. He could have went more but he probably would have given up runs.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 5, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Any information on his finger issues?
I wonder if the strain or whatever it was might be having an effect on his performance.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
VEB is slow today
Question: How much do you tip?
For dinner, I usually tip about 20%
I tipped $2 for a $17 haircut yesterday
Tip a dollar per drink at the bar
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I'm right there with you on all three.
Takeout confounds me, though. I usually scribble $1 or $2 on the CC receipt and shuffle out of there.
by Fendi Hotdogbun on Aug 5, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand why you'd tip takeout
You’re doing all the service. It’d be like tipping at Wendy’s.
Still not a werewolf.
in theory, you are tipping the bartender (or whoever put together your order)
most people don’t tip on takeout, or if they do its only a $1. i don’t usually.
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Yeah, but they put things in boxes, ask if I want bread, etc. And most of all,
they’re watching me when I fill out the receipt.
by Fendi Hotdogbun on Aug 5, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you want spit in your burrito next time, sir?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
same.
i will give a bit more or less for dinner depending on the service. but standard service gets a standard 20%. i usually do about 15% for haircuts – i mean i get $65 hair cuts and i usually give $15. i actually don’t know what % that is. a dollar a drink unless you’re just getting bottled beer. then $1 per round
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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My mind is blown at the idea of a $65 haircut, but I guess you don't it cut that often
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Damnit, why do I keep missing words?
Mind move faster than my fingers?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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you know what, i read your post about 6 times before i caught that
i would not have even noticed
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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oh wow
same
Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.
yeah only once every 2-3 months
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Oh I get mine cut far less often than that
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really? i thought guys got their hair cut once a month?
i guess maybe not if you keep it long though.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Yeah I get it cut short
Then let it grow out pretty long (Like my old Twitter picture)
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VEP gets it cut once a year, wheter he needs it or not.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I get my hair cut every other Friday
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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 8, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it slow growing, or do you just let it fluctuate widely?
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Teaching myself how to cut my own hair was one of the greatest money-saving tricks.
This probably wouldn’t work for IHB.
Still not a werewolf.
when i was in law school and poor i cut my own hair.
i remember cutting my own hair the day before the bar exam. but it didn’t look as nice as it does now.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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At first it wasn't great and I'd get it fixed
but after enough haircuts, I started getting people asking me where I got it cut.
Still not a werewolf.
I don't have the balls to do that
I’m assuming you don’t just use the shavers?
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Nope. Thankfully I know a barber who gave me pointers and always fixed it for free in the beginning
Still not a werewolf.
Wait, should this be "yes"? Correct, I do not use a shaver.
I hate questions where yes and no both seem weirdly incorrect.
Still not a werewolf.
Haha I know what you mean
I also hate when I tell the movie theater attendants “You too” when they tell me to enjoy the movie
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15/65 = 23%
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
damnit! i am giving that girl way too much money
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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youve already set the precedent though...
youre screwed unless you find a new stylist
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
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i know. i really like her so i guess its okay
i would only drop it down to $10…i’m sure she needs that $5 more than me
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
what about the pizza guy?
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
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20% unless i have to pay a delivery fee
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
so if they charge a delivery fee you dont tip?
the driver doesnt get the delivery charge, the store does.
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
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when i was a delivery driver, i got part of that charge.
i guess i assumed that was standard.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
I think every site I've ordered offline from
Says that delivery charges are not a tip and that you should still tip the drivers.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 5, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
well obviously if it said that i would not deduct anything from my tip
this has only happened to me like 2 times, ordering from a chinese place once and a deli the other.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
what about luby's?
those people only get 2.13/hour too, but i know lots of people who only leave like a dollar for 4 people bc they ‘only’ bring you plates and refill your drinks. I talked with a couple of lubys waitresses once and i was schocked they werent paid min wage.
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
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i don't know what luby's is.
i usually tip really well! i feel like i’m getting interrogated
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
cafeteria style
you might call them wyatts up there. you go through a cafeteria line and sit down. people still come by and fill up your drinks or bring you more of something if you want it.
What about Golden Corral? ITs a buffet and those people only get 2.13 too!
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
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well i can't say i've ever really been to a place like that - maybe sweet tomatoes is the only one
i had no idea that the “servers” there did not get minimum wage. that’s actually BS. and probably against the law, depending on what the tip credit is in the particular state.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
not trying to interrogate, i just have a lot of thoughts about the restaurant industry
im curious what other peoples perception is. Not at all judging, merely curious.
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
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i have been a waitress and a delivery driver, so my perceptions are based on those experiences
which may or may not be representative of others’ in the same industry.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
Ya, I used to get half of the delivery charge for gas.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i always got like 50 cents a delivery
but counting the wear on your car like tires and oil, etc. it didnt really cover much. I figured out how to get a free large pizza every time i order so i usually tip 5-7 bucks.
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
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well its only for dominos and you can only use it when you order online
google dominos coupon codes or go to retailmenot.com
there is a code that comes with those entertainment books for one free large with one large purchased.
Code is EBFP.
you only get like 2 uses, but i just create dummy email accounts.
I get 2 meatlovers for like 13 bucks.
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what about donut/kolache shop?
what about sonic carhops?
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or what about the restaurants that have counter pick up?
they put out a tip jar expecting you to tip for taking your order. Is this wrong? I dont do it bc i waited tables for 4 years and i think it demeans what people who actually work for tips do.
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our local BBQ* place does this
and it pisses me off, because I’m pretty sure everyone that works there is part of the family that owns the place
No tip for donuts
If the carhop is on skates and they don’t fall down they get a dollar.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 8, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i still tip, just like a $1-$2 less
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same
I get 50 cent haircuts and tip 25%. Call me a high roller. As for drinks, I never tip for tea.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Damn Rui.
$17 haircut? That’s expensive. I stopped going, just get it cut by my parents cause I always go short hair.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 5, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You're 18
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Ok...
I ain’t spending $17 to get a Justin Bieber haircut when I’m 18, 22, 30, 40, 50, 60.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 5, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes you are
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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The trimmer we bought is literally $10
I’ve gotten it cut like 15 times the past couple years. That’s a shitload of saved money. Not to mention, for the record, I fucking hate having long hair (especially over your ear).
So no this opinion might not actually change.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 5, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh okay
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Sorry, you kind of pissed me off with the 18 comment
Does that mean my opinion is invalid? Cause you came off to me as condescending and that my opinion was invalid.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 5, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
see the VEP suit thread.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah it's slightly different
I’m not inexperienced at cutting my hair and acting like I am experienced at cutting my hair.
I just don’t see the same analogy in this situation.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 5, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not that your opinion is invalid
It’s that that opinion will most likely change. My mom cut my hair when I was in high school too.
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How did she find the time?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 5, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
LOY
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I was quite proud of the San Diego link last week.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Don't know what you're referencing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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You responded.
Whale’s Vagina.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's like 25 beers ago
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I'm going to second this
I’m 23 now, and the 18-year-old version of me feels like an alien now. I have a different personality, different priorities, and yes, a different haircut.
My mom cut my hair through high school, too.
Now, I pay $15 every couple of weeks. It certainly depends on what you do for a living, but there is a strong likelihood that you’ll have to start going to a barber once you enter the working world.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, it's not like $15 or $20 is an exorbitant amount
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Well says the market for cutting your hair.
I know this might change, but in the future I’m going to try – unless I change my hair up – to not spend $15-20 on a haircut that I could easily do myself with a few tries.
Mostly, I just can’t stand spending the $15-20 (and you could blame this on age or whatever) on a haircut that takes a relatively easy level of difficulty to do.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 5, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
glad I live in small town, USA
my barber only charges $10 and there are others that charge around $8.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 5, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I love having long hair
But I haven’t since high school. The Marines wouldn’t let me have it, and when i grew it back out after my EAS my psoriasis started acting up. So now I keep it really short and just cut it with clippers.
Lots of money saved.
Grit != flat out sucking.
when you are 60
like I am, you won’t have to worry about haircuts, just trims – and don’t go elsewhere with the barbering terminology!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it's the world we live in, man.
my haircut today was $18.
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in terms of goods and services that are somewhat recession-proof
barbers and salons are one, namely because everyone has to keep their hair good for interviews (well, most people do). so it’s supply and demand.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't know, but Kyle Lohse has his future all planned out.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
3.56
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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that's headline
core inflation’s around 1.5, which means more over the long term (headline’s been whiplashing all over the place because of food and fuel)
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Salons actually take a hit.
Women pay heckas money for their haircuts so it’s something you have to cut out a little. You color it yourself and grow it out as much as you can before another haircut.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
There was a guy in Golconda named Bob who was a barber.
For $5, he would cut my hair like an absolute pro, then fire up the hot lather and shave my face and neck.
I always gave him $15 because I felt like I robbed him if I just gave him $5. Of course you had to make your appointment before 10 a.m. because that’s when he started drinking. Oh and his barbershop was in a singlewide trailer in the middle of town.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
wise to tip him just for not shaving you while drunk......
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And it was absolutely luxurious.
A hot lather shave, much like a 3 WAR shortstop, is nigh irreplaceable
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
indeed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Ode to the Barber
There was a guy in Golconda named Bob
Who I tipped quite well, not to rob
He’d hot lather my face
And shave everyplace
My, he was great at his job!
SD
by Gibby45 on Aug 5, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
rec'd
but according to zoomzoom, you don’t need a barber anymore.
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I need a barber for the sides.
And someone to buff the sand trap in the middle.
SD
by Gibby45 on Aug 5, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
indeed
i once had a barber named bob
would shave everything but my knob
the look on his face
when he went to third base
told me this wasn’t part of his job
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
It is not.
Try $90 then come talk to me. And that’s at the cheapest salon in Clemson too.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Oh, also, everyone should tip the maids at hotels
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i only do this if i stay for more than one night
is that bad?
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I dunno
I just figure that they need the money much, much more than I do
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not anymore. they should be tipping you.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
by IHeartBoog on Aug 5, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like somebody doesn't really want that sport lawyering job
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Rui also apparently feels this way about professional sports teams
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Aug 5, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I do this
tip the hotel cleaners, and tip ~10% for dinner, unless it’s especially good or bad service. Really isn’t as much of a tipping culture here, though. Don’t tip taxis or bartenders.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
When I went to Ireland last year
I was confused the first night as to why there wasn’t a line on the receipt for adding a tip to my CC. Apparently wait staff there actually get paid a living wage and don’t work for tips. What a world.
I can't believe what the American restaurant industry gets away with
They really don’t have to pay their waitstaff; we do it for them.
Still not a werewolf.
True...
Restaurants could bake in 20% and raise wages they would just pass it along prolly in food costs though and then what is the point?
One good thing is some waiters actually give worthy service because they know their paycheck depends on it..
How is the service in England?
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
The service in England is generally worse than in the states
so there’s (perhaps) a good argument for the tipping culture.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
its complete bull shit
its free slave labor
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Maybe but I was in some places where I could make $150 to $200 on Friday and Saturday night.
I know places where they make more and then about a bill the other 3 week nights you work with the $2 hr adds up to a decent paycheck.
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
Had a friend who worked at Mahogany Prime in Tulsa (think Ruth's Chris Steak House)
who paid her car payment out of tips from a single weekend every month. It’s a good gig if you can get into the right place. That was about 10 years ago but she’s was making almost 40k a year as a waitress/bartender. It was one hell of a college job.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 8, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But is the cost of actually buying the food lower than it is in the UK/Europe?
I’ve certainly noticed that drinks in bars (esp. beer) are a similar price to the UK, but you still have the buck-per-drink tip rule which makes it more expensive. I wonder whether there’s extra taxes (doubtful) or whether it’s just more lucrative for bar owners in the US because they don’t have to pay their staff.
FWIW bar staff in the UK get paid the minimum wage mostly, which is about $10/hr. I imagine you can easily beat that many times over on a busy bar in the US, but that you won’t get paid practically anything at quiet times. Beer here costs around $5 per pint in a bar, give or take, with it maybe going to $6-8 in more expensive places/nightclubs/sports events, and in London, but the pints here are bigger than US pints so you get about 25% more I think. From what I recall it was similar price last time I was in the states.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
the pints here are bigger than US pints
This doesn’t make sense until you realize it does.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
The pint is an English unit of volume or capacity in both the imperial system and in United States customary units.
The imperial version is 20 imperial fluid ounces and is equivalent to about 568 mL, while the U.S. version is 16 U.S. fluid ounces and is equivalent to about 473 mL. Thus the traditional British pint of beer is approximately 20% larger than the American pint.
Maybe I should’ve said “our beers are generally 20oz and yours are generally 16oz”.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They're closer to twelve actually.
I’ve heard that pubs in Britain are actually regulated by weights and measures commission.
I’m pretty sure we’ve had this discussion before.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It comes in Pints?
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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 8, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There's an interesting passage in Homage to Catalonia
where Orwell notes that people would get really mad if you tried to tip them in republican Barcelona, barbers in particular. Found that striking enough that the factoid is still stuck in my brain years later.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
keep in mind our international VEBers might have different tip rates, or not be required to tip at all.
because tipping is prevalent in the U.S., there are more people living on their tips than other places.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and even more so in arizona
where tipped employees only make $3.75/hour. and actually, up until a year or two ago, it was $2.13/hour. i used to get $4 paychecks.
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This is why I usually tip between 25% and 30%.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I replied
above on my international tip rate. Also, when I am in AZ I get clipped in San Tan Valley, a little too close to Florence and the pens. Anyhow, they charge $15 for a hair cut, and I tip 15%. Now, just to put some perspective on things, I have about 100 staff working for me in Peshawar, Pakistan. I have been telling the company implementing the project (after doing a comparator survey) that we are seriously underpaying our staff, particularly at the lower levels. All right, get set for this. My office cleaners are getting $70 per month, or $0.50 per day, and my drivers hardly more than that. And they are happy to have it. Of course, costs of living are different, but believe me, with this wage rate they cannot rent a room for their family, feed the family, and send the kids to school. But the extended family kicks in here, and also they save money when they go to the field. Needless to say, I am trying to increase our remuneration levels slightly. Sigh. I could start talking about the condition of women here, and what my project is trying to do to alleviate that, but this is not the place. Except that tonight people seem to be talking about non-baseball stuff, so I thought that I would pitch in. Here is a very inadequate link about the project. I recently hired a communications advisor, and hope to get a proper website set up that better describes the project interventions.
http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/CIDAWEB/cpo.nsf/vWebCSAZEn/FC90CFE8ED0267DC852573B1003C922D
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i got plenty of
“THIS IS NOT A CHECK”s in college
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Mrs. Scoot cuts my hair
We paid $30 for the clippers a couple of years ago. Pretty good investment. Also, I was getting a haircut with a hot lather shave of my neck for $10 up until we decided to just do it at home. I’m pretty sure there’s a barber shop right across the street I could walk in today and get a $10 cut. $17-$18 haircuts are insane.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Is it a sensual experience?
My wife always wants to cut my hair after watching movies like Phenomenon or that Tom Selleck movie where he is an author and the Russion chick cuts his hair when he thinks she might be a murderer. Everyone falls in love when that happens.
SD
by Gibby45 on Aug 5, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha wat
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Her Alibi
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 5, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I tip between 15% and 20% on dinner, 25% if I consider the service outstanding
10% or less if I continually have to ask for things, ask for the check, or anything else that I feel should be done by someone who actually appreciates my business.
I tip $2 on my haircuts, but I’ve been going to the same barber for 10 years, so it’s more a mutual agreement than a tip at this point.
$1 on coffee drinks if they require some type of skill. Pouring me a cup of drip coffee is not a skill.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Bar tips
- $1 per drink…
- …unless you’re charging $4 or more for a bottle or draw of non-micro brew. Then, fuck you pal, you’re already raping me on drinks so YOU can pay your wait staff more.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
well,,, bartenders don't have control over what they charge...your screwing the wrong guy by not tipping.
and 30% tips on bar tabs is customary if your in the service industry.
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The coffee one is interesting
I suspect there’s more variance there, since there isn’t really a general standard that I’m aware of. I usually throw my change in the tip jar when I’m getting a cup of coffee (I’ve never graduated to anything more complex), which roughly leads to a tip of somewhere from 5 to 50%. Totally inconsistent, but easy.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
20% at a restaurant, barring crap service
Dollar-a-drink, three bucks for a pitcher or something like that
I tip cabbies like 10-20% depending on the rounding and if they were cool
I cut my own hair, so I tip myself $20 for doing that
Sounds right
I tip 20% for dinner, unless the server was really really good, then it’s around 25.
Haircut is the same
As is the drink.
I sometimes get my car washed at Waterway and get the 30.00 package (which comes with a free coupon for another 30.00 wash within five days) and I usually tip 5 or 6 dollars, but I got it washed the other day when the heat index was 110+ and I gave the guy a 10. He thought I was joking and wanted change.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 5, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
SBN didn't autolink "Chris Carpenter"?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm guessing it's because the cubs reliever is now in the majors.
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Rather magnificent rainstorm in CoMo. I hope you all get it in STL.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
Bullpen
Would everyone have made the same move as TLR last night? What’s that mean for tonight?
I would have left Lynn in.
Dude was dealing.
I didn’t have a problem with lifting Motte.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
Agree on Lynn
although maybe giving him a shorter outing makes him available today? I don’t like it when he and McClellan are both unavailable, given our implosion-prone rotation.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
No McClellan's ankle's fine
but he took the second half of the Team Kyle start yesterday
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
it must have been all that time outside fink's window.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what happened there?
I was watching the game at breakfast, and Motte got 2 out, and then came TLR, and Motte and Laird were laughing. I wish I knew what they were really thinking. Is TLR really so unpredictable, that his players can only laugh at his moves? Is there any respect there? It was just strange to me to see their reaction
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe there is hope for Tony....
La Russa later said he regretted using Dotel, who didn’t have the same zip he had earlier.
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every time he says stuff, it's just a matter of time before he reverts
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Uh
So Stephen Colbert has taken over MLB’s Twitter feed until midnight tonight
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Damn you, Colbert!
MLB: If I’m in charge of MLB tweets, I can do trades, right? Cardinals, I’ll give you two cameras and a Teleprompter for Albert Pujols. #Colbert
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Mo might take that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
colbert must have heard of how mo does business
MLB MLB
If I’m in charge of MLB tweets, I can do trades, right? Cardinals, I’ll give you two cameras and a Teleprompter for Albert Pujols. #Colbert
10 minutes ago
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Damnit Colbert
Don’t kick VEB when many of it’s comment-writers are down!
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the ETA on Allen Craig?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Poor guy
sucks to lose so much of a promising season just from a weird play like that
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
My question is
what happens when he is ready? Tony Cruz is optioned? And when Punto is ready, then what, Descalso is optioned? I would prefer not, but I don’t see any other alternative, other than DFAing Theriot or Schumaker.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
is punto going to be back before the rosters expand?
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Ah
good point. I thought that he was only 15 day.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 5, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Shelby Miller article
Kary Booher, News Leader
explaining what is going on with his pitch selection/ development vs. winning
Who is TLR's next victim?
St. Louis cardinals poll on facebook
There are 23 people that have said Patterson. Are they morans or just joking?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
is "clubhouse morale" an option?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, I'm just gonna vote for Patterson
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what is this fanshot of freese and jay having too much fun
are their days numbered?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we're gonna need a bigger doghouse
i also heard a rumor about them asking for pudding before they ate their meat.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Aug 5, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
for all of tony's genius, this one question confounds him.
he can be heard screaming this phrase repeatedly inside closed-door team meetings.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so we are getting new conference rooms at work that will be painted with special white board paint
to create a dry erase surface. i think that is really awesome. we can just write on the wall!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
I have used the chalkboard paint
I painted the inside of my kids’ treehouse. It worked really well for a year, but then it was hard to erase. probably had something to do with being in a treehouse (rain, snow, squirrels, etc.), but my kids loved it.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I feel like I posted this on VEB the other day
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you told me to use it for painting my daughter's room
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yeah!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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yeah, don't use it for a kid's room.
children + whiteboard markers = horrible, horrible disaster
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Whoa
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Grammar question
I keep seeing things like this: “I don’t like RiverRat cause he no longer posts.”
Am I crazy, or is this incorrect? Shouldn’t it be: “I don’t like RiverRat because he no longer posts.”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Well of course. But it's a pretty common internet-shortened word
Better than “cuz,” to be sure.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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good answer. let's move on to some more challenging ones...
is “ok” really an acronym for anything?
is “d’brickashaw” a legitimate contraction? what is the long form of d’brickashaw?
what is the difference between where, were, and we’re? what about there, their, and they’re?
should you include a comma before a coordinating conjunction?
when i’m about to die, will knowledge of this make me content?
are sentence fragments ok if used in the context of a discussion on the internet?
if you want to abbreviate “too long, didn’t read” why use a semicolon to separate TL;DR and not a comma or forward slash?
i don’t understand a word of lolcat captions. explain all of them to me.
why doesn’t riverrat post anymore? is it because he’s a jerk? is it a mental or chemical deficiency? is he a sociopath?
when is it not appropriate to use an ellipses? just wondering…
what is the accepted length of a fanpost? when should you use a fanshot instead? what about a comment? what about just keeping ideas to oneself?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
i always use okay
ok makes no sense.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
I go back and forth. I much prefer okay, but ok actually seems more logical when considering the origins of the word.
There was a fad of humorous abbreviations in the early-mid nineteenth century, and “o.k.” was invented as a stand-in for the jocular “oll korrect.” Seriously. What larks!
when i’m about to die, will knowledge of this make me content?
Well, that’s a discussion for late night.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
by a fink on Aug 5, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i had to read that three times before i caught the difference.
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 5, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I was thinking,
“I don’t like RiverRat, because he’s an asshole.”
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Aug 5, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I knew you'd take it well
Thank you for being my example
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it just needs an apostrophe
which is kind of like an elevated comma
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cubs just hit
an inside the park home run. Tony Campana. Alonso looked lost out in left field on that one though.
made CIN look pretty stupid
win
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
i'm surprised i didn't get the ol' f'n zoomzoom treatment there.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
randy winn > corey patterson
twitter
serious question:
Is the subject line courtesy only relevant if the post has a pic or gif?
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
pretty much
i was just trying to be funny. poor joke.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
randy winn > corey patterson
twitter
it's to mark the unbelievers.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh crap
Y2S has finally gone rogue. he has apparently formed a legion of database engineers consisting of locals and ex-soldiers. he is no longer considered to be stable and must be found and killed. his IP address is located in a remote location within cambodia. good luck.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
close
but not close enough
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
intel was able to provide a photo of your face lit by your computer screen
unfortunately this is all we have to go on at the moment.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez. What was Alonso doing there? That was almost comical.
when you see the replay, he’s nowhere near the ball, not even really making a play at it, yet still plows shoulder-first into the wall and ends up on his ass in the dirt.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
leefyg,
i remember you were looking for the U2 time lapse video a while back when they showed it on FSNMW
here it is courtesy of Scott Rovak
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
In case this hasn't seen enough action, I'll pimp this too
Also, having Four Tet in the background makes this especially badass.
Still not a werewolf.
oooh this is interesting
jaysonst Jayson Stark
Rumblings trivia: Name the 4 active NON-1B (under 10 career G at 1B) with at least six 30-HR seasons. Answer in column es.pn/qSd8kq
i dont know the answer yet.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
a-rod is one, i'm guessing
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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And Chipper?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I would agree with this list.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Is this referencing the <10 games played at first?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Forgot about him....
What a hitter he was in his day.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ARod is probably one
The Jones brothers (Andruw and Chipper, obv. not actual brothers) are good candidates. I feel like Utley probably could’ve been, but too many lenthy DL trips rule that out… Hmm… Rolen got close a few times but don’t think he wound up with 6 30+ ers.
So ARod, Chipper, and Andruw Jones. Who is the last one?
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he hit in the 20's all those years in KC and has been hurt too much later in his career.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
vlad might be right
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
and it is
good job VEB! a-rod, the jones’, and vlad.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
I wonder if A-Rod might've played more than 10 G at 1B?
Vlad, I’m guessing?
Was gonna say Magglio, and I was NEARLY right – he’s never played 1B, has 4 30+HR seasons, a 29 HR season, and a 28 HR season. Hmmmm.
Chipper Jones.
Might’ve said Carlos Lee but I think he’s played quite a bit of 1B this year.
Wow. Really struggling with this. I don’t think there can be any catchers, 2Bs or shortstops, so it must be Chipper, A-Rod , Vlad and another OF. Or maybe someone who’s literally been a DH all their career.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper Jones reminds me, what about Andruw Jones?
He’s gonna be my addition to this guessing game.
Still not a werewolf.
I think we got all four now. I made my guesses before reading any of it. Not sure I'd have got Andruw; I've pretty much forgotten he's existed the last 3 or 4 years.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Positions
Furcal SS
Jay CF
Pujols 3B
Holliday LF
Berkman 1B
Schumaker RF
Laird C
Descalso 2B
Westbrook P
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Aug 5, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha just kidding
But that may be a better defensive alignment given those players
Hit me up on Google+
And of course I bought it
Because TLR.
I’m sure we will actually see that lineup before the seasons over
oh really?
Pujols to 3b lives
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 5, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Furcal, SS
2. Jay, CF
3. Pujols, 1B
4. Holliday, LF
5. Berkman, RF
6. Schumaker, 2B
7. Laird, C
8. Descalso, 3B
9. Westbrook, P
1. Bonifacio, SS
2. Dobbs, 3B
3. Stanton, RF
4. Morrison, LF
5. Sanchez, 1B
6. Cameron, CF
7. Thurston, 2B
8. Buck, C
9. Sanchez, P
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
REALLY?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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You realize
that he’s going be joltin joe now.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
craziness
Thurston said he got plenty of text messages from friends on Friday, and it’s a safe bet one other major leaguer will be sending congratulations as well. Thurston is the second cousin of New York Yankees ace CC Sabathia; the duo were teammates all the way from Little League to high school in Vallejo, Calif. They’ve appeared together at a number of offseason events over the years, and both wear a wristband in honor of one of the teams they played with back home.
I had no idea. My entire understanding of the cosmos has been fundamentally and irrevocably changed.
Anyway, he should be good for at least one cheap laugh tonight; he’ll be tired from getting up early for the long flight.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
second cousin is quite a distant relative
for reference, it’s entirely possible you work with a third or fourth cousin you don’t even know is related to you, and it’s entirely possible you have a fifth or sixth cousin in China or Burkina Faso.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
AND HERE IT COMES.....
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i actually know all of my cousins' kids and think of them like nieces and nephews
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
No it isn't
Your cousin’s children are cousins once removed. Their children are cousins twice removed, etc.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Gretchen: Karen he's your cousin.
Karen: So, he’s a good kisser. And besides he’s only my first cousin. See you have your cousins, then you have your first cousins, then you…that’s not right is it?
Gretchen: That is sooo not right.
Karen: Hey Seth!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
No, but I suspect most people haven't met any/all of their 2nd cousins
that’s the point i was making.
Actually, I’m not really sure there was any point at all. I just think it’s quite cool how closely related we all are, in some ways.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
seeing "Furcal SS" is so comforting.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
skip in the 6 hole sucks...
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
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losing freese changes the entire look of the lineup
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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could definitely use Craig right now
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club.
Eh
It does, but at the same time, it’s hard to fret over any lineup that includes AP, Holliday, and Berk.
We had Corey Patterson leading off once
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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that never happened!!!!
THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
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Didn't it, Cody?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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He said fret, not projectile vomit
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Aug 5, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
must be a joke
no way that albert is play 3b with descalso in the game.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I hope they win, no matter what the lineup looks like.
I need something to make me smile on a terrible fucking day.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta put my favorite dog down.
freak fucking accident that I can’t even begin to explain. waiting for my wife to get home to say good-bye to him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 5, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i am so sorry to hear that.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Oh man
That is the worst. My sympathies.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 5, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's very sad.
I’m so sorry to hear this.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's terrible
My condolences
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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sorry to hear that.
you and your wife have my sympathies.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
thanks, everybody.
I appreciate it greatly.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 5, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that sucks. Sorry for your loss.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It's terrible and so hard to lose a part of your family.
Consider this your “best wishes” and “thinking of you” internet sympathy card. I mean this with sincerity.
Sorry to hear that.
Still not a werewolf.
sorry to hear that.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
that's always sad
Had to help my dad take their dog to be put to sleep a couple years ago. Not too proud to say I cried pretty hard over that. Good luck.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Now I'm going to cry.
I had to do that in February. I bawled all day long and cried myself to sleep.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Meaning I'm very sorry for our loss, I know it is tough.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Thanks, I knew what you meant.
Thanks again to all of you. It, honestly, means a lot. It was just a bad day all the way around. I just found out that one of my dad’s oldest and best friends died today, as well. I hate to even ask what’s next.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 5, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Needing this Westie to show up
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Aug 5, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Given the photo,
don’t we need this Westie to show.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Westy is going to show up in a choke chain?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
that judge looks like Rush Limbaugh.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
here is another fun trivia question
100% of current NBA and current NFL players have experienced a work stoppage. only SIX TOTAL mlb players have. can you name them?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
correct.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
nope
surprisingly
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
one is correct, the other is not
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
wakefield is correct
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
I saw that one, so I'm not going to
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i've never really read stark
his column is pretty good. i enjoy the random facts and trivia
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I like his columns for the same reason.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
A-Rod?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
nope
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
didn't he first start in 1994 though?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
he did....hmmmm
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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he may have been sent back down prior to the strike
he had 426 PAs in the minors that year. probably could not accumulate that many before july 8, when he made his debut
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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a-rod's last mlb game in 1994 was on july 30
the strike started on august 12
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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incidentally, in 59 PAs
he hit .204 /.241 /.204
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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DFA
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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at age 19!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Nope. Called up in 1992, sent back down until 1996.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
there was one name that i honestly did not know he was still playing
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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the strike was 17 years ago!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
correct.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
yes, three more
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
correct!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Darren Oliver?
is he still playing? i know he was last year.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
correct!
he’s the one i was surprised about
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Former Cardinal Darren Oliver.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
not giambi
one more VEB!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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nope
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
then he must not be active
or else stark is wrong, which is also a possibility
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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orly?
that is kind of funny
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i don't know i guess its not funny at all
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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oh, haha
orly is short for “oh, really?” its an lolcat thing.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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You and your cats
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i made bar exam lolcats of my cat
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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What is wrong with you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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its a group on facebook!
its a legitimate thing!
…..
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
...
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Oh man
You have the pity of a 22 year old unpaid intern
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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but you're pitying my 26 year-old broke bar exam studying self
she needed it. i’m doing just fine
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I pity you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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you should. it wasn't my finest moment
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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those may have been useful.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i wanna see that.
i used mental connections to my law school’s dean and his mustache…most of them are dirty. But they worked!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
orly = Oh really?
Usually with an owl picture
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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no, a cat!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
...
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
by IHeartBoog on Aug 5, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks.
I’m comforted to know that you people haven’t taken away ALL of my meme naivety just yet.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
lolcats is old school
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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he spent some time in the minors in 1994
it is possible he was sent down before the strike
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Holy crap
Vizquel was in his SIXTH FULL SEASON in 1994.
by Cheeseandcorn on Aug 5, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hahah can you believe he is still playing?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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well done fink
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i forget he is still playing...
it just doesn’t seem believable.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Matt Stairs?
he’s been around awhile right?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
no but yes
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Now retired, isn't he?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Julio Franco.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
So I didn't realize this until now but
Jonathan Papelbon is having a pretty crazy awesome year. Anyone want to wager a guess what kind of contract he gets in free agency? Does some team pony up for a 30M/3Y deal?
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I want Salas to do very well the rest of the way
Partly for this years sake, but mostly because I suspect there will be some openness towards spending on closers in the organization. I don’t know where the Heath Bell rumors were coming from, but it’s a little unsettling.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Mo will think twice, based on how well things went the last time we acquired a player with a French surname
Hit me up on Google+
Either that, or he'll develop a fetish and pick up Jeff Francoeur as well....
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean he's been worth 16 WAR in 7 seasons
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I think they should probably be paid slightly above their projected WAR, in comparison to other players
I’m assuming from the tone of your post, you think less?
That said, factoring in ageing and the discount players should take for the security of a multi-year deal, I’d say something like 3/30 is probably about right, if not slightly generous. I sincerely hope we’re not the ones giving him that, though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Felonius
I think, if anything, WAR is undervaluing closers.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Also, Craig Kimbrel
Papelbon’ll probably get the richest reliever deal (non-Mariano division) ever, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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We as a society have not moved beyond overpaying for closers?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 5, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ed Wade is still a GM
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Closer and pinch runner
Have you seen him slide?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
I dunno which teams might be in for him, though?
LAA maybe. Struggling beyond that. And he’ll be a type A, right? I kinda think he probably will get something like 3/30 but I dunno who’ll give him it.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
krod
3 yr/37.5 mil
and a 17.5 mil player option that would’ve vested for next season if he hadnt been traded.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Aug 5, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Freese's Concussion
There’s a pretty good article on it up on the official site.
I like that Freese reviewed the tape and commented on the pitch in a very rational manner.
“I was just battling trying to get that run in,” Freese said. “I was check-swinging at the slider all night and he came with the heater. I checked the tape and [catcher John] Buck was set up away, and it just got away from him. I’m glad I got the run in. It’s a tough way to get it done, but it worked out.”
Then La Russa starts talking about pitching inside even though the catcher was set up outside and the pitcher missed so horribly the pitch beaned Freese.
La Russa has been vocal about how hurlers need to be more careful when they pitch inside, and Freese’s injury supports his beliefs.
“It’s the same story, and who’s going to deny it?” La Russa said. “It’s just scary, and if you’re in the big leagues and you’re going to pitch inside, you have to keep the ball down. I’m not trying to take the inside pitch away. A guy lacks command, and these things are happening more and more and guys are paying for it with broken hands or broken faces. We pitch inside as much as anybody, but you’ve got to get the ball down. If you’re in the big leagues, you’ve got to get the ball down.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like Freese's quote.
LaRussa seems like he may be veering into paranoid delusions.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
TLR was taught that lesson by his father
while playing catch one day TLR got careless and let the ball get away and it hit a passerby on the shoulder, knocking his entire arm off. “and that’s why you’ve got to keep the ball down” the man said to young TLR in an ominous voice before winking at his dad.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Not that I know of
Keep him there, have Belt at 1B
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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That's what I was thinking
But haven’t been paying much attention to that situation. Have to think about it now for a league that NGAFA.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 5, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Panda has to move to first at some point in his career.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Probably, but he's still a surprisingly good 3B, defensively.
Not sure it’s necessary in the near future, and tbh they probably just trade him if he can’t handle 3B. He’s not really a good enough hitter to be a big-time 1B.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that would be pretty stupid
same as Minnesota moving Mauer off C. Posey would pretty much lose all his value as a 1B. Even if they didn’t have Belt, Posey is a .353 wOBA hitter so far. That’s pretty good, but not all that special at 1B. As a catcher he’s a 4-5 WAR player if he can handle a full season. As a 1B he’s probably no better than average, and I bet Belt can manage that going forward.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I have Mauer
He has Posey. I didn’t know if the injury was such that they feel they might not have a choice in the matter. I hadn’t heard anything, but I haven’t exactly been checking for that info either.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 5, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
it would have to be
his ankle was destroyed. how much crouching is he going to be able to do with david freese ankles?
Happy international beer day!
i’m feeling…. red stripe
how will you be celebrating?
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
i gotta figure out where to buy my favorite beer without having to go to the brewery
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
its called orange blossom
local brewery: papago brewing co.
i called. apparently they don’t sell it bottled yet. but i can go buy a pony keg!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
Red Stripe
(shudder)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
suggest some beers people
i’m by my self tonight watching the game and cleaning/packing my apartment before my lease ends. need beers that could be bought at an average-ish liquor store
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Aug 5, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just bought some Goose Island IPAs
always a winner in my book, oughta be available around MO
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
seconded. Very good IPA indeed.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard conflicting reports on Goose Island IPA
I suppose today is as good a time as any to give it a try
What are some IPAs you like?
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
I actually like most all the IPAs I have tried
I love O’Fallon’s, Bells’,Sierra Nevada’s,Rogues’, Dogfish Head’s. A couple from local breweries around here that most have never heard of, and hell, I even like Boulevard’s IPA.
The only IPA that I have tried and not liked is Flying Dog’s.
If it helps you at all
the people who had a negative opinion of it were factually wrong.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
St Arnolds Mothership Wit
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by Stash Musial on Aug 5, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
anybody had maredsous?
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yes
i get in the mood for a good belgian beer every now and then. i love all trappist beers i’ve ever tasted (if you’re ever over that way, take the monastery tour). my absolute favorite belgian beer though is one called kwak. it needs its own handle to hold the glass it’s supposed to be served with which is kind of fun i guess.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I must have very different taste to you; never been that impressed with Kwak
other than the quirky name and glass with wooden stand (reputedly so it could be held with armoured gauntlets – almost certainly apocryphal I think) I’ve always found it to be a little bit lacking in character.
Maredsous is OK but I think there are better Belgian strong beers. I remain a massive fan of Westmalle Tripel, but it’s a bit of an acquired taste – lots of carbonation, alcohol flavour and slightly bitter yeastiness (bit like Duvel), couldn’t really be called complex but it’s really good. The most unique and interesting Belgian beer is Orval; really dry, spicy, interesting brew, lots of complexity. If you can’t get that, the white (wit) Chimay is cut from similar cloth and totally brilliant as well.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe europe has a sweeter tinge to their brews on average than i'm used to
i usually drink a really bitter array of microbrewed pale ales here (manny’s pale ale, mac and jacks, and elysian fields).
when i want to change it up, the belgian beers i mentioned do the trick. chimay/orval/duvel get a bit yeasty for my tastes compared to the liquid dirt i’m used to. not that i wouldn’t take them in a heartbeat over red stripe/bud light/jupiler, mind you. but you get my point.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
European beer (kinda hard to label it all that as there's a mass of different styles, and Britain has a few styles all of its own)
is in general almost uniformly much less sweet than american beer IMO. Belgian beer is maybe a bit of an exception, but I guess most beers that strong are quite sweet.
This isn’t at all a knock on American beer – in all honesty, if I lived in the States, I’d probably drink pretty much nothing but US microbrews as american beer is basically better (at least at a baseline level) than most beer in Europe now. The better Belgian brews and a few English styles I really like (and that don’t seem to be brewed over there) would probably be the big exceptions.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
point taken. sorry to stereotype.
my visiting a few european countries on a couple of occasions makes me no expert to say the least. if you had to recommend a few of the less sweet types, what would they be? i’ll try to see if some importers have your suggestions stateside and let you know what i think.
i used to drink delerium tremens often because it was more available here in the states and if i remember correctly that one’s kinda yeasty too, so i won’t say i have a type. overall, i guess i don’t discriminate so long as it’s not complete crap.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
In terms of british beers, I like
Pretty much anything by Samuel Smith (their darker beers, the Imperial Stout, Oatmeal Stout and Porter especially, and they seem to do a very good job in the states as I’ve seen their beers over there a lot; their regular ales aren’t quite as good but their more special brews are generally high quality), Timothy Taylor’s Landlord (although doesn’t always travel well, that’s a bit more hoppy and not sweet), Young’s London Ale (though that’s really hard to find now, even here it’s not totally easy).
Brewdog, who do a lot of unusual brews and quite a few in the American style (including their brilliant Punk IPA), are also really good, although I’m not sure they’re available in the States. Give them a try if you can get your hands on them though. Another interesting scottish brew is Innis & Gunn’s Oak-Aged Beer; they age the beer in whiskey casks for a couple of months, which gives it a really unique flavour.
Outside of Belgium I don’t know an enormous amount about European beers, although I like a lot of German stuff. A good pilsner is well worth the bother on a summer day.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2011 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed Meantime's IPA
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 6, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Orval is pretty weird
I liked it the time I tried it, but it was pretty intense.
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I used to drink Duvel by the boat-load.
Sigh.
I liked Orval quite a lot. Somehow, I don’t think I ever had the Westmalle Tripel. Their dubbel bored me, so I don’t know if I moved on from there.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
The dubbel is really highly regarded but I'm not that keen on it either
I’ll drink it but I much prefer the Chimay take on that style.
The Westmalle Dubbel is very sweet and spicy and quite dark IIRC, whereas the Tripel is almost weirdly lacking in those complex toasty/sweet/fruity/spicy notes you get with a lot of the Belgian beers, but big on the kinda sharp/floral side. Hard to describe and tbh I don’t think I’ve got a great palate for these things but it’s one I’ve always liked. I guess “uncompromising” is a good description.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I am so depressed by this. I better open up some damn good wine tonight.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
by a fink on Aug 5, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm google is giving me conflicting results for international wine day
sounds like a good opportunity to make a name for yourself
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Every day is international wine day!
Unless you live in France, where every day is national wine day.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
heh
i prefer the italian stuff myself
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Did not know about this
but I have some Chamblay in my beer fridge. A Maudite, IIRC.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Were I able, my night would look like this:
1. Saison Dupont
2. Aventinus Doppelbock
3. St Bernardus Abt 12.
However, with my current limitations, I am drinking 1998 PJ La Fleur, so you mouth-breathers can chug your swill. I, on the other hand, am sophisticated.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
1 and 3 are tremendous I must say.
Actually… as I type I’m not sure if I’ve actually had the Bernardus 12 or not. Maybe the 6 and 8… anyway, anything St. Bernardus is awesome.
Never had Aventinus, but the best doppelbocks I’ve ever had are Weihenstephaner Korbinian and Ayinger Celebrator.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Ooh, go try 2 and 3 soon. Neither are hard to find or prohibitively expensive.
I can’t remember having the Weihenstephaner, but I liked the Aventinus much better than the Celebrator.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
I liked Weihenstephaner better than Ayinger
Which is weird, because Ayinget seems to be the “consensus best doppelbock in the world”.
Definitely want to try those other ones.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
st. bernardus, a fine choice.
/serious
may i suggest you partake a bit of 2011 yellow tail this evening? it was imported from the fine petroleum establishment on the corner.
/not serious though it would be really funny to show up at a party at your house with a bottle of this in hand
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"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
St Bernadus, good stuff
Not sure I’ve tried the other two, mind.
Anyone here into rauchbier (smoke beer)? This stuff is to die for, like liquid BBQ:
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 5, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that's good stuff.
there’s a St. Louis brewery (O’Fallon) that does a pretty good smoked porter, and an even better smoked porter that’s aged in whisk(e)y barrels.
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"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Sounds like a bit of weird combo of flavours
I like porter, I like whiskey-aged beer (Innis & Gunn) and I like rauchbier, but all three in the same beer sounds somehow like it wouldn’t all add up?
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 6, 2011 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it's... a bit unusual
the base smoked porter is more rauchbeir than “normal” porter. the whiskey-aged version is.. well, it’s a bit like sitting around a campfire eating red meat and drinking bourbon.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Heard about Yadi and Laird altercation
Does anyone know what the details are on this? I’m not sure if it was discussed earlier.
by Ahals15 on Aug 5, 2011 6:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Witnesses have all entered the Witness Protection Program
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by StanTheManFan on Aug 5, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So I'm on a mini-vacation in San Antonio
Weather Channel says it’s ONE HUNDRED AND SIX DEGREES outside.
Hooray, AC!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
there's a severe heat warning here
and some jackass broke some line on campus and there’s a bunch of buildings with no AC for a couple days
possibly discussed before
rangers unofficially ban the wave
At recent games, a warning has appeared on the stadium’s message board claiming the wave could cause injury and that children doing it will be sold to the circus. It does, however, say that “doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.”
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Aug 5, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
TODAY WE ARE ALL RANGERS FANS
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 5, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I gag when I see the wave at Busch
Half of the time it starts when the OTHER FUCKING TEAM IS HITTING!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey cody
You see the robot’s report on Rosenthal?
http://www.futureredbirds.net/2011/08/05/quad-cities-starting-pitchers-july-29-31/
Sounds like a starter to me
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 5, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
fine, I'll get excited about Rosenthal
,but if he starts to suck when he reaches AA, I’m going to blame you Volsn.
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Fair enough
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 5, 2011 9:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Watching the game alone, sans wife and daughters
But not exactly alone… I’ve got a lot of beer. Beer is a good friend. Never judges and is always there for you.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh don't worry, I'm there too
I’m a multitasker.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 5, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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