Roster Management in 2011; the Cardinals of 2012
by DanUpBaby on Aug 23, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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If the Cardinals are now Out of It, I can't think of a more terrifying finish than Aaron Miles tripling in a game-winner—not against a Tony La Russa special but Fernando Salas, one of Our Guys—and Matt Holliday getting so distraught about it that he inserts a moth deep into his own ear. I can't fault La Russa for going to a reliever, because in the stats/instinct dichotomy he's playing against type there; relievers are better than gassed or near-gassed starters, left-handers are much better against Andre Ethier than right-handers, and Fernando Salas normally retires Aaron Miles, on account of how bad he is at baseball.
It didn't work, anyway; not a lot has since June, although in a year in which the Brewers weren't powered by the Infinite Improbability Drive the Cardinals' near-.500 summer wouldn't be quite so depressing. This is a team built to win 90 games that, as currently constructed, looks like an 85-win club when firing on all cylinders—it's a team that's opened up the owner's infamous wallet for two superstar-caliber hitters and traded its cheapest potential star for single-season help yet skimps, relentlessly, on its middle infield.
Monday bgh talked about Tony La Russa's managerial failings, but—whoever you blame it on—those issues are exacerbated by the way this team was built. If you're in for Matt Holliday and Albert Pujols, let alone Edwin Jackson and Octavio Dotel, starting Ryan Theriot and Skip Schumaker up the middle is just being coy.
I'm not saying the team needs to go the Yankees route now that it's committed itself to a star-based, high-budget strategy—in fact, from the moment the Cardinals signed Matt Holliday they've needed to do the opposite. The Cardinals need David Freeses, Colby Rasmuses, Brendan Ryans—players who are likely to approach average, able to do better than that, and playing under team control.
If you don't have those players, though, or feel a compulsive need to trade them for spare parts, the time has come to throw good money after also-good money. Skip Schumaker and Ryan Theriot are perfectly useful bench players, guys who are likely to give you a win above replacement level, able to do better or worse than that, and cheap enough that it's not really important how you acquire them. They are not a championship-quality infield, and they don't belong on a contender unless it's the Marlins or Rays, winning with a core of team-friendly stars and unable to spend a dime more on the complementary players.
This is far from the Cardinals' worst roster construction, which is why the 2011 team frustrates me so. (You could argue that they cheaped out on the bullpen, but bullpens are meant to be cheap, and to complain about this particular one is to just sneak Ryan Franklin's awfulness in through the back door of your Mozeliak/La Russa indictment.) Whoever you have at the top of your Cardinals roster-management pyramid lost the team several games, but they didn't lose the division; Adam Wainwright, David Freese, and the rest of Albert Pujols all contributed, but it's the 76-53 Brewers that have the most to do with it.
I haven't been satisfied with Tony La Russa's performance this year, or John Mozeliak's, but for me this isn't the kind of year that necessitates a braintrust transplant on its own merit. I'm more worried about next year.
The Albert Pujols question has combined with the team's win-while-the-Brewers-can't-lose transactions to make the 2012 Cardinals—let alone the team's plan for 2013 and beyond—almost entirely opaque. Matt Holliday will be around, and Yadier Molina and Adam Wainwright and Jaime Garcia. And Jake Westbrook.
But until the Pujols decision comes down from on high it's impossible to tell what standard I'll have to hold a returning Mozeliak/La Russa regime to. So here's two of them:
1. Pujols signs and the Cardinals commit to running an expensive, probably past-its-prime, but extremely threatening middle of the order out there for the foreseeable future. It becomes more difficult to win with this team (with its resources allocated properly) every year, so the Cardinals need to upgrade at starting pitcher and Theriot and everywhere else they're weak as soon as possible.
Some near-the-Majors position prospects would be helpful here, but Zack Cox at his best looks like a healthy version of David Freese and Matt Adams plays first base. By 2013 the Cardinals will begin to draw on their much-improved farm system, but the gap between the Skip Schumaker era and the Kolten Wong era will need to be filled with veterans—ideally several of them in the Lance Berkman mold available on one or two year deals.
If the Cardinals sign Pujols, sniff around, say, Rafael Furcal and Chris Carpenter in free agency, and throw their hands up—that's the moment Bill DeWitt should open DeFront Office and shake all the cruft out of it. That strategy will win 85 games indefinitely, but $100 million is a lot of money to spend on a team that will only reach the playoffs when all of its rivals top out at mediocre.
2. Pujols doesn't sign and the Cardinals are in a very strange position. They've got some great prospects, but most of them are high-ceiling, low-floor pitchers who won't be ready in 2012. They've got Matt Holliday locked up indefinitely, playing Scottie Pippen to nobody in particular. It seems perverse, but I bet Chris Carpenter is more likely to return to the Cardinals in this scenario than the first one.
The Cardinals are left with two options if Pujols doesn't sign. They can sign a big free agent and a sidekick (Jose Reyes and Carlos Pena, something like that) and replay the number-one scenario, or they can try to build a team that's average-with-upside everywhere and compete in a scrappy-go-getter, Twins kind of way until the farm system gains provide a new focal point.
The post-Pujols landscape is so nebulous that I'm not sure I could pass judgment on the braintrust immediately—except for letting one of the best baseball players ever leave as a free agent, that is. I just want to see a plan, anything to convince me after Rasmus that they've regained the ability to plan two years into the future.
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Tyler Greene is now hitting .340/.425/.637 in Memphis, with 14 home runs and 15 stolen bases. Toss in his time in the Major Leagues and he's hitting .293/.373/.516.
If the Cardinals are just looking to get him everyday at-bats (at 28), I can think of a few places where he would fit nicely in their lineup.
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Rosenthal with another meh start
3.2 IP, 7 H (3 XBH), 1 HR, 4 ER, 7 K, 2 BB, 3:0 GO:AO
Last two starts have been inefficient and short (though the K rate remains high). Wonder if he is hitting a wall?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/22/11)
114 1/3IP, 129 K, 50 BB/HBP, 53 ER, 7 HR, 3.05 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 23, 2011 8:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
114 innings this year
That’s probably twice as many as he’s ever pitched in a full season in his life.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
sources indicate that the moth was still alive.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
straight from boold
The moth was still alive when they removed it from the left fielder’s ear. Holliday was said to be feeling fine when he left the ballpark.
He took the moth with him.
Grit != flat out sucking.
uh-oh, the moth will get a talking to
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
by d-dee on Aug 23, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or served over a side of baby back ribs..
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
dun dun dun
“That was my fear,” Holliday said when told about an old TV episode where a moth chews through the person’s brain and emerges from the other ear. “Dr. Paletta informed me that was impossible. So I’ll feel better about it the next time it happens.”
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 23, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seems oddly indicative of this Cardinals season.
2011 St Louis Cardinals: We Got Moths In Our Ears.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
We Have to Call Lego...
..Mothman from now on…
:=8)
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
I wonder if Matt Holliday is now under the control of aliens.
They sent their cerebral moth through the galaxies and head gravity pulled it into Matt Holliday’s ear.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
As long as the moth aliens
preach patient pitch selection and driving the ball, I for one, welcome Holliday’s new moth overlords.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 23, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's like those alien ear bugs in Wrath of Khan
It makes Holliday extremely susceptible to suggestion.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Perhaps that moth
gives him some precognition ability. To which he can bring forth the Mothman Prophecies.
"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte
by GasHouseMang on Aug 23, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Need: One excellent photoshop of Matt Holliday as Arthur from The Tick
Willing to pay generously with rec’s.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
this needs to happen
Calling all PHOTOSHOP BITCHES!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll work on this later
if nobody else gets to it.
(stupid work getting in the way of talking to internet strangers)
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
by cschepers on Aug 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok, its hard. his head is so big.
Who is TLR's next victim?
by spfldbird on Aug 23, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Much better than mine, I went with the animated one
Someday when I'm old and have grandchildren, I'll sit them down and say, "I got to see Ryan Theriot play SS." And they'll reply, "Oh, I'm so sorry you had to experience that."
Currently residing on the Free Tyler Greene bandwagon
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll rec the effort of both.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You're probably not the first female to say that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I was speaking Photoshopically
Who is TLR's next victim?
by spfldbird on Aug 23, 2011 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i can't decide if it's better or worse than the 2010 Cardinals: We Eat Moths
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
the GOB striking back at us
or maybe the GOM
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This reminds me
of ST2 Wrath of Khan. TLR was using moths to mind control into a hive collective. Play it my way says TLR, well Lego wasn’t buying it.
Glad to find out it was just a moth
I was afraid that Khan had paid a visit while we weren’t looking.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
it's a running gag
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Did it start in the game thread last night?
I didn’t stick around very long after the game.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
i think it might have
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
can I just say
such is the power of Chris Carpenter’s luggage
that Matt did not exit the field right away.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
DP show will eventually get to the moth thing.
they’re doing call ins right now.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Aaron Miles > Ryan Theriot
sad, but true (in 2011 at least).
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that could be a fanpost right there
with more players
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's all about the GRIT...
:=8/
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
that sums up the season right there
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Sullivan
on the moth incident, with some screen grabs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You know it's a big (or weird) sport story
Colby in TOR: .224/.247/.412 3HR 21K/3BB 8/21
by The Continental on Aug 23, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
i feel like the whale already dropped on us
splat. season over
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Aaron Miles is the Cards Arthur Dent
endlessly wrecking their seasons no matter who he plays for
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Then that would make the Cardinals Agrajag...
…in this particular instance of word association.
“Aaron Miles is to the Cardinals as Arthur Dent is to Agrajag.”
Favorite quote ever, from So Long, and Thanks for All The Fish: “The storm had now abated. What little thunder there was now grumbled over distant hills, like a man saying ‘And Another thing…’ twenty minutes after admitting he’d lost the argument.”
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Aug 23, 2011 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Miller will likely spend most of the 2012 season in AAA.
Depending on the health of the major league pitchers, I could see a call-up to the bullpen a la Lynn.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This is all but certain
Because he certainly won’t have “earned it” in the eyes of the man that will probably be in the dugout. And we can’t have young players who haven’t earned their spot. Even though they might be immensely talented. We’d rather sign some veteran waste-of-space and then use him all the time even though he completely sucks at all aspects of the game that provide any sort of quantitative value.
/end rant.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
he wont have earned it if he keeps relaying on his fastball to get out AA hitters
Grit != flat out sucking.
Growing pains
He didn’t demonstrate this at A ball, where he could simply blow away hitters with his fastball. So I think it’s more of a confidence issue at the higher level — he goes back to his fastball when he gets in trouble, which can then lead to more trouble against experienced hitters.
He’s got very good secondary stuff, so I see this as more of a blip in the radar if anything.
The fact that La Russa was consulted on his punishment for the breaking of team rules certainly rubs me the wrong way though. Apparently Tony has enough time on his hands while piloting the sinking ship that is the 2011 Cardinals to render opinions on 19 year old pitcher’s drunken brawling in Springfield.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I feel asleep last night watching the game so I (thankfully) missed the horrendous finish.
This is depressing me and that’s cause I can see the same thing happening next year. Tony’s managerial style may have once been a winner but no longer. His preference for the grizzled veteran will continue to handicap the team. Mo’s inability to see a different way or convince DeWitt of a better way means Tony gets HIS WAY.
If it was just one season and I could look forward to next year I would be more cheerful. So waiting for the goofiness to take over. I guess we will start next season in goofy mode.
blah blah splat. where’s gdm? surely there must be someone grumpier than me today.
BTW, if by some chance TLR decides not to come back, I will drive to StL and dance in the streets with ya’ll.
Who is TLR's next victim?
I'm finally grumpy
and usually I’m pretty upbeat. I just don’t undertand why Dotel, Rhodes, Patterson, Theriot, Laird, Punto, Schumaker, Westbrook, and Lohse are on this team. These guys are replaceable at the minor league level yet we continue this “veteran way” BS. The current model is broken, lets try something new for a change. Don’t continue to try the same thing expecting a different result. It’s tiresome.
I can understand the reasons for Punto, Laird, Schu, Westbrook, and Lohse
Lohse and Westbrook are NOT replacement level. They really aren’t. Go look at the numbers. If you want to see replacement level, go look at John Lackey in Boston — THAT’S replacement level, and his contract is worse than Kyle Lohse’s is.
Punto is a very good utility player and costs next to nothing. He’s an above-average-to-elite defender both middle infield positions and third base. That’s something of a rarity in baseball. Our club would be a lot better had he been the starting SS all year long and if he and Furcal were starting together in the middle infield right now. He gives back more with his glove than he takes away with his bat. It’s that simple.
Laird has been a good offensive catcher in the past and is a decent backstop. He cost pretty much nothing to the club. I would guess that Tony Cruz gets the call for that spot next year, so we won’t be employing a veteran backstop.
Skip is an average offensive player for a second baseman and his defense has improved quite a bit there. He’s not expensive, nor will he be, and is cost controlled. He’s a good platoon player, he’s just not a starter.
Dotel is a ROOGY. TLR continues to let him pitch to left-handed hitters. Why? I HAVE NO FUCKING EARTHLY IDEA.
I agree on Rhodes and Patterson. Patterson should have been DFA’d before he boarded the plane on Toronto. Rhodes is over the hill, has lost 2-3 mph on his fastball, and his breaking pitch has hung more this season than in the previous 5 seasons combined. He’s done, just like Franklin was done. But our manager continues to remember the Arthur Rhodes from 2009 and what a beast he was….
The issues you have here are more managerial in nature than they are issues with roster construction, per se. It’s not that these guys aren’t useful, it’s that our manager continues to use them in ways that are not productive.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Corey Patterson
This is all just idle speculation, but…..
What if the biggest problem here is Mark McGwire? What if McGwire is telling La Russa that if Corey can “just get a couple things figured out” that he could be a productive hitter in the major leagues? That he’s seen guys who struggle like this and that he thinks he can help him?
This has always been my concern about Big Mac, that he’s incapable of telling TLR something that TLR wouldn’t want to hear. Tony clearly thinks that Patterson has talent, when all evidence points to the contrary, and could very well be soliciting opinions to establish this thought process. McGwire has always been kind of a pushover, and I could easily see him kowtowing to La Russa’s opinion even though he doesn’t share it.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
There's a scarcity of information to confirm or deny this.
I don’t see how any baseball man could watch Corey Patterson swing in a game and conclude that he is a worthwhile fixer-upper. I think the club is not high on Adron Chambers and therefore targeted a bench outfielder in the Rasmus trade. It fits a pattern, too, of the club acquiring (by trade or free agency) veteran players who have played in the NL against La Russa’s Cardinals and with whom La Russa is familiar: Batista, Kip Wells, Ponson, Feliz, Patterson, Theriot, Izturis, Dotel, Berkman (which worked out very well), Felipe Lopez (twice), Jason LaRue, Aaron Miles, John Smotlz (which worked out well), Julio Lugo (which worked out well), Mark DeRosa, Todd Wellemeyer, etc.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Like I said, pretty much all idle speculation on my part.
I do think that it’s a concern if true. The one thing about Dave Duncan is that Dave Duncan is his own man. He’s going to tell you what he thinks, like it or not. I think Tony respects that, but only because Dave Duncan has been very successful at what he does.
Conversely, I don’t think Tony has much respect for our scouting department, developmental department, or front office. I think he sees himself as the go-to guy for all baseball and organizational related decisions. I think he had enough respect for Walt Jocketty that this was never a problem, but since Jock’s exit, his pandering for players and his thoughts on minor league prospects, development, and organization running has become more and more evident. At which point I think Mo needs to give out the “It’s me or him” ultimatum. It would be good for the organization to have ONE person in charge, not two.
If DeWitt looked at the landscape of managers and head coaches who’ve had total personnel control, he should see that this is probably not a route that he wants to go down.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Veteran Players "Know How To Win"....
…except Corey Effin Patterson only knows how to stink…
:=8P
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
the whole corey patterson thing
is more than likely: We need a CFer who can give Jay a day off since we are trading away Colby. Who do you have that can do this job?
Grit != flat out sucking.
Oh God I had blocked out the Sidney Ponson acquisition... I think I need therapy.
Someday when I'm old and have grandchildren, I'll sit them down and say, "I got to see Ryan Theriot play SS." And they'll reply, "Oh, I'm so sorry you had to experience that."
Currently residing on the Free Tyler Greene bandwagon
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Okay this is my thought.
Laird < Cruz or at least a wash. Did anyone miss Laird when he was on the DL? Molina, Cruz, Andersen in an emergency. Looks good to me.
Shumaker is valuable as a 4th outfielder. This experiment at 2b was a failure. Tyler Greene can easily replace Shumaker in value at 2b. That’s a manager problem not a Tyler one.
Punto – I’m having a hard time believing there is no one in our system that is all glove no hit. Kozma? Descalso? This is where the Ryan trade chaps my ass.
Lohse/Westbrook – One or the other but you have KMac, Lynn, Boggs, etc.
My problem is this whole idea of player development and then going out and getting MAYBE marginally better talent for money that can be applied elsewhere. (Paying over-slot perhaps? Developing international scouting? Etc)
Develop the farm, surround superstars with the farmhands and get it done. Don’t go out and get these washed-up, over priced guys.
The Lohse contract was bad, pretty much everyone at VEB knew it at the time.
He would not have gotten anywhere near that amount on the open market.
You’re basing these decisions on hindsight, not on the information available at the time they were made:
- Cruz had 15 AAA PA’s coming into the season. Anderson was injured a lot last year and has struggled since. I think it’s clear that we needed a veteran backup catcher coming into the 2011 season. This really isn’t a debate, it’s a fact.
- Schumaker isn’t a second baseman, but he’s a good bench player. Left handed hitter, lots of line drives, can play multiple positions at an average level. He’s a valuable player to have for cheap, certainly a lot better than Aaron Miles is and he continues to get jobs with major league teams.
- Punto — True, we do have all-glove, no-hit players in the minors. Every team does. The difference is that Punto is ELITE glove, kinda-hit, versus Pete Kozma who has an OPS in A ball that is worse than Punto’s MLB one. I mean, you can’t honestly say that you’d rather have Pete Kozma over Nick Punto for the difference of $400k on a $110M payroll can you?
- Westbrook and Lohse were the 4 and 5 starters coming into the season. When Wainwright got hurt, they moved up a slot. As a 4th and 5th starters they’ve actually exceeded expectations, although we are paying a pretty price for them. I’m not arguing that they aren’t bad contracts, Lohse is in particular (I actually kinda like the structure of Westy’s deal, honestly), but our club was not in a position where we had 3 starters beating down the door to take the 5th spot in the rotation either. Overpaying average starters is kind of a necessary evil in this day and age of pitching injuries, and if we had a middle infield that wasn’t the worst possible combination of middle infielders this side of beer league softball, our pitching staff would look a lot better as well.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Well of course it's hindsight
but that’s the fun! I would rather draft guys and play them than sign anyone for more money than the guy I drafted cost. If I draft the guy I must have some sort of faith in their ability or something. Think of the last couple years and the bullshit that we ran out there that could have been applied elsewhere while AAA guys got some seasoning. Randy Winn, Aaron Miles, Khalil Green, Corey Patterson, Arthur Rhodes, on and on. I know an extra million bucks on the payroll is no big deal but if that million is then moved to convince Austin Wilson to sign rather than go to Stanford, well I’d rather do that.
Pete Kozma holds a special place for me because unfortunetly I called it on draft day. He was a beast in high school and it clouded my judgement. Therefore yes I would rather see him than Punto. That doesn’t mean that’s correct though!
I would rather win games consistently by maximizing the value of the players on the roster
Prospects are notoriously inconsistent moving between the minors and the majors. If they weren’t, we’d have a much better metric for measuring their conversion to the major leagues than we do.
I’m really not ok with a Tampa Bay Rays style organization, I’d much rather have a hybrid system where we extend good players through arbitration at below market rates (like we’ve done with Pujols, Wainwright, Molina, Garcia) and not sign any deals longer than 6 seasons. Or, basically, how the Red Sox run their organization.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'm not really taking a hard line
in any of this. I agree about buying out arb years for below market. I’m just not convinced that a Randy Winn or Corey Patterson is that much better than a AAA or even AA guy.
I don't disagree with you on those players
It’s the other players you listed where I demonstrated their value to the current club.
You can’t rely completely on prospects — if you do, you are going to have a lot of middling seasons.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
No I get that
and I am using hindsight. I’m not convinced any players I mentioned will turn our season from middling to middling. (See what I did there?) I just think there is similar talent in the minors that instead we are paying more for marginally better if at all.
What starters in the current minors
would you put in place of Westbrook and Lohse? I can’t see any giving us the level of production that they have this year. And I’m not sure that the money could have been spent on marginal upgrades at any other positions, because our weak positions are ones that are generally hard to fill with good talent.
We could have acquired JJ Hardy instead of Ryan Theriot. No more money needed for that deal, just a piss poor talent evaluation on the part of our front office.
I get what you’re saying, I’m just making the case that, practically, just because you have all this money from Lohse and Westbrook not earning those contracts doesn’t mean that the club is better. The club might actually be WORSE, if you can believe that.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah
I’m frustrated today! Hell Suppan made 40mil off Milwaukee! I just see Corey Patterson playing baseball and I get mad at the FO!
I think the notion of using farm talent is a good one
But look at the Red Sox. They avoid long term contracts like the plague, but even they get burned occasionally (Lackey, Crawford although the jury is still out on that one, the end of JD Drew), but they occasionally hit a grand slam (Gonzalez).
However, the core of their club has been built from their farm system (either directly or by trade) and by extending those players through their prime years while they are still under arbitration. Youkilis, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz, Bard, Papelbon are all players that came out of their farm system. They dealt for Beckett and Gonzalez.
If anything, they should probably AVOID free agent players more often, as the guys who are currently hanging around their necks are all guys they signed on the FA market.
I think this is the model for how to run an effective big market organization, and you can see that the Yankees have been moving this direction as well.
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if you're saying we should play tyler greene in september,
I’m on board. If you’re saying tyler greene should be our starting anything next year, I don’t think he gives us any kind of substantial value. We have a lot of guys (schumaker, descalso, theriot, greene) who are probably capable of doing the 0-1 WAR thing over a season.
Of course, I’d rather pay $900k for the privilege than the $6m we’re paying theribeauxmaker, but I’d like to aim a little higher for 2012.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
by tom s. on Aug 23, 2011 12:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Greene...
…blows every chance he’s given. I’d sooner have Descalso/Punto/Furcal out there (just no Riot);
Skip has made progress at second, and is still a decent OF, and his hitting has come back some. He also has grittitude.
I’m all about Cruz Missile. I don’t think we see Lard next season.
Louse/Westie are adequate back of the rotation stuff, IMO. I;m happy with KMac, Lynn, & Boggs in the ’pen.
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
Just one more chance
This time will be different. i promise!
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 23, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for just that right touch of pathetic plaintiveness.
From the blackhole of the Iowa TV market.
Has there been a stretch in the last two seasons
where Tyler Greene has played every day for two weeks? I mean, Nick Stavinoha has gotten more chances to prove himself than Tyler Greene has.
I don’t want to go into next year with Greene as my starting SS. What I would like to see is Tyler Greene playing every day the last two weeks of this season at SS if we are out of it. If he hits, then maybe he’s a viable candidate to play there, but he needs more than a handful of AB’s scattered across 4 months, especially with the numbers he’s putting up at AAA. La Russa is the biggest problem in this regard.
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I think it undercuts your argument when you include players who are/were positives to the roster
There have been failures by TLR/Mo associated with expecting, and not getting, good performances out of crappy veteran players, like Theriot, Skip, Batista, Franklin, and Patterson.
But, IMO, Kyle Lohse is not replacebale at the minor league level. And Punto was a good signing. True, Punto got injured, but that did not make his signing a bad idea, and his play whie he was healthy was better than expected.
Interesting stat – Did you know that in 127 PAs, Nick Punto had the same bRAA (batting runs above average) as Colby Rasmus did in 386PAs for StL?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say Punto's offense was sustainable or expected, of course....
But the fact is that Nick Punto, in the limited time he played, brought about the same offensive value to the Cards as Colby Rasmus did.
Shit, Punto had a .374wOBA and his peripherals supported it (reasonable BABIP, 14% walk rate, more walks than Ks, etc.)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Even though Punto is not a good hitter,
his PA’s were enjoyable. The guy works the count very well and often walks. It was like a breath of fresh air after Aaron Miles.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This
Plus he plays awesome defense
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Punto is the Bizzarro Miles.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He really knows how to take a charge
The grittiest of basketball plays
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Punto was exactly what the idiots in Cardinalland THOUGHT Aaron Miles was
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I really think that his in-ability to stay on the field is one thing that has been glossed over a lot in the analysis of “where things went wrong for the 2011 Cardinals”.
He was a very, very good player in his limited time on the field this season, and his injuries allowed Theriot and Skip to continue to play very badly up the middle for a significant amount of time. They probably also allowed Daniel Descalso to show what he can do, so in terms of the future it might be a silver lining.
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What begins as tragedy
often ends as farce.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 23, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It could always be worse.
At least the Cards haven’t been featured in headlines such as this:
Already? Astros Eliminated from Postseason
It doesn’t seem that long ago when the Cardinals and Astros battled it out for not only the NL Central title, but the NL pennant.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Milwaukee's magic number is down to 25.
Sigh.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 23, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
There was a lot of fail on the field last night:
- Our offense sputtered against a very average starter.
- Chris Carpenter couldn’t get a bunt down that probably would have led to a run had it been successful.
- I’ve decided that you REALLY have to try and walk David Freese in order to actually do it.
- Fernando Salas failing to retire a scrappy, grit-mullet and instead making him look like Willie fucking Mays.
However, the biggest fail of all is on the managerial side, and it’s getting more and more evident that TLR just doesn’t have that Midas touch anymore, if he ever had it at all.
- Putting Furcal in the game as a “defensive replacement” when the reason he didn’t start had to do with injury that would seem to prevent him from being a defensive upgrade.
- The continuing use of Corey Patterson. For any reason. At all. Ever. If Tony is so fucking smart, why can he not see how awful Corey Patterson is at playing baseball? If this continues after rosters expand and (my assumption) Adron Chambers comes up, I’m seriously going to blow a gasket.
- Pulling your starter, who’s basically cruised through the first 8 innings at around 12 pitches per inning and allowed exactly one runner to reach scoring position after he plunks a guy to start the ninth inning. Carp was working on a shut-out and deserved a shot at finishing the game, especially considering that the guy he was lifted for has been INCREDIBLY AWFUL for pretty much the entire season, not to mention that last 10 days since he joined our club. I’m sorry, but Arthur Rhodes splitting the plate with three 89 mph fastballs to Ethier and NOT giving up a home run should be considered a miracle, not a good managerial decision.
- While he couldn’t help the Holliday moth incident, there really wasn’t a reason for pulling Berkman out of the game when he did, which would have allowed him to double switch PATTERSON out of the game so that we wouldn’t have to see him attempt what looks like the act of a flailing windmill at home plate.
Couple this with all of the bullshit that went on in Friday night’s contest, and I’m just completely fed up with our manager at this point. It’s bad enough that he’s run off two productive, cost-controlled players in the last two seasons, but his in-game managing has gotten worse and worse over the last two years as well. The organization needs to move on.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Aug 23, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Furcal's Injury & Defense
Yesterday, Goold tweeted this after speaking with Furcal:
Furcal said throwing is trickiest issue with injured thumb. Expects to be available Tuesday. Theriot (hammy) says he’s set today. #STLcards
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Agreed.
I think you have to let Carp have at least one more batter. It’s not like he had been getting hit hard at all.
FREE TYLER GREENE!
He hung a curveball to Kemp to end the 8th, and luckily Kemp was a little out in front. He squared the ball up, but didn't have anything on the swing at the point of contact.
That had to have been what was on Tony’s mind. Thing is, in his previous few starts, he’s been hanging a lot of curves in the middle of games and missing the strike zone with them, so I don’t buy that this was an indication that he was tiring. His fastballs to Kemp were still in his normal range.
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Yeah Kemp just missed that.
Is there a reason why we never go to scrabble. If Rhodes is better than he is why the hell did we trade for him as the main piece going forward in the Rasmus deal.
FREE TYLER GREENE!
He wasn't the main piece
Jackson was the main piece. The White Sox clearly wanted other players (similar to the package they got from Toronto) and not Rasmus, and Toronto wanted just Rasmus and nothing else (because they are, well, smart) We needed a starting pitcher, and Jackson fit the bill for what we needed at an acceptable price to the front office.
All this speculation about Rzepcznski being a start is just that: speculation. Who knows why he doesn’t get used or if he’s not going to get used why he isn’t at AAA. I have no idea, but we didn’t make the trade to get Scrabble. We made the trade to nab a starter and improve our bullpen by adding Dotel and McClellan to it.
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Yeah but they have to believe that Scrabble has some value at the very least as a good LOOGY
going forward. Because after this year he’s the only one we keep from that trade.
FREE TYLER GREENE!
I'm seriously thinking that Scrabble isn't the player
Tony wanted in that trade. And that he’s now actling like a petulant child about using a player that was foisted upon him. That’s about the only ‘logical’ conclusion I can come to as to why Tony doesn’t use him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I know it's really confusing
because no matter how bad the trade was they knew that he was the only one they were getting past this year. I thought thay they must believe (right or wrong) that he had some good value going forward. Now they are not playing him and signed Rhodes to basically get every LOOGY appearance. What the hell is going on?
FREE TYLER GREENE!
I'm thinking more like this:
I thought thattheyMo must believe (right or wrong) that he had some good value going forward. Nowthey areTony is not playing him and signed Rhodes to basically get every LOOGY appearance. What the hell is going on?
This may or not be true. I reserve the right to be wrong about it in my mind.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The Rzepczynski-as-starter thing is looking less like speculation and more like pure wishful thinking.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
well, why would we now that we have arthur rhodes?
/deploys anti-robot defenses
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
hide in a daycare
he hates kids
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
no no no
Hide in his favorite bar; he would definitely think twice before blowing that up and walking away.
Still not a werewolf.
you're right
what was I thinking?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The pitch to Kemp
could have been La Russa’s reasoning behind removing Carpenter but more than likely he just got a wild hair up his ass and just had to make move.
I'm not discounting this.
There’s a reason that most really good managers sit on the bench during games (Sparky, Torre, Cox, Scioscia, Leyland). It’s the ones that move from team to team that are up bouncing around, chewing their cud the entire game.
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team to team?
I think he’s the longest same-team-tenured active manager. He’s managed only three teams in a long career.
/He still needs to hang it up, at least for the Crads.
Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.
I think he meant "move around the dugout."
Not team to team, but player to player.
At least that’s how I read it.
No, I meant team to team
La Russa is the only good manager I can think of that spends the whole game pacing in a 5 foot square space. Most of the good managers I can think of spend a ton of time sitting on the bench.
I think this is a function of “letting the game dictate to you” vs. “you dictating to the game”. Clearly TLR prefers to dictate to the game.
He’s a control freak. When players do things that are out of his control he gets upset about it. (See: Rasmus, Colby — hitting instruction. Rolen, Scott — playing time and offseason workouts. Ryan, Brendan — not being serious enough about the game of baseball/Robert DeNiro impressions.) He wants to manage and control every aspect that he can. Hence: the “getaway lineups”, the endless pitching changes to pursue tiny sample size matchups.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That and the "history" of Carp and Ethier
FSMW earlier in the game showed a clip of Ethier hitting a homer off of Carp. Tony probably remembered that one AB.
More seriously, I think he (TLR) was “protecting” Carp so that he couldn’t get a loss. Stupid, yes, but TLR has done that over the years.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i would like to think that pitch
pluss the next one where he hit a batter was the reasoning. I even kinda defended the move after my initial reaction of “WTF RHODES!?!” But then in the post game Tony said it wasn’t the reason.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Wasn't that pitch the first pitch after the moth attack?
Carp’s a rhythm pitcher and doesn’t like anything messing with his groove. I don’t think that a hung curve was indicative of anything other than he got lucky that it wasn’t parked.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that it was
I’m saying that pitch was at the forefront of TLR’s mind heading into the ninth. And when he plunked the first hitter, he was done.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
sorry, I was agreeing in a wordy manner.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Your sig makes me sad
:-(
On the twitters
by creativereason on Aug 23, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, directed at fourstick
Re: signature
On the twitters
by creativereason on Aug 23, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't made my peace with the trade yet
So I’m holding on for deal life that the GOB will somehow rectify this situation.
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When I was watching the game I wanted Carp to start screaming at him and all hell to break loose.
Is that bad?
FREE TYLER GREENE!
might not be good, but always entertaining
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping that the removal of the sunflower seed shell from TLR's shoulder
was going to lead to a knee-to-face rejection of coming out of the game.
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by fourstick on Aug 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that or Carp grabs Tony and gives him the Kiss of Death
followed by, ‘You broke my heart, Fredo.’.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Later that night, after facing tough questions in the press conference...
TLR:… it ain’t the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I’m smart! Not like everybody says… like dumb… I’m smart and I want respect!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I was hoping
all hell broke loose in the clubhouse after the game and the team would (finally) get fired up.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So Facebook apparently has a thing where it posts your status from this day in the past years
My status from this day in 2009 was: “<3 John Smoltz”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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2012 optimism???
I’d like to begin by affirming that I am a Pujols fan, and feel extremely fortunate to have watched his career as a Redbird. However, anyway you slice it, we will be a better team going forward (particularly so after the next couple of years) if we let him walk. Assuming it takes $25M+ for 6+ years, we could conceivably have a $15M and $10M player for the next several years that aren’t in their decline phase (however productive that may still be for the next handful of years); not be reliant on the health of one player; and frankly, at least using this year as a baseline, expect reasonably equivalent production to what Albert is putting up. He is still a very, very good player, but if he declines 10% a year going forward, in 3 years that contract is going to be an albatross.
Consider the following potential “Tony-proof” roster for a moment:
SP
WR
Carp
Garcia
Lohse
WB
Pen
Salas
Sanchez (health being a concern)
Motte
Boggs
Mcllellan
Lynn
Rep.
Lineup
Reyes (in a perfect world)/Furcal on a one-year deal
Jay
Holliday
Berkman (1B)
Freeze
Craig (RF)
Molina
Descalso (2b)
Bench
Carpenter (L)
Cruz®
Greene®
Chambers (L)
???
You could give Tony whatever crappy player he wants for that last spot. Personally, I would search high and low for a RH hitter with pop that could play a passable 20 games or so in center (Ludwick??? not sure what he would cost, or whether he would resign with us). However, there isn’t the fat in there that we have had in recent years. No doubt we would be subjected to some crazy in-game management, but barring injuries like we have faced this year, that is an extremely solid roster-top to bottom-in my opinion. Probably have room to add a piece at the deadline, as needed.
Even should injuries occur, you could conceivably plug Miller in at mid-season and have Mcclellan, Rep. and Lynn as depth for the rotation. Cleto could reasonably be counted on as bullpen depth as well. No second lefty, but Mcclellan handles them reasonably well.
We could afford this team without Pujols’ weighty contract. It isn’t an old team by any means, and it won’t look like the current Cubs, Astros, or Giants of a few years ago in two years.
by Enigma35 on Aug 23, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Notes:
- I’d rather platoon Descalso and Greene at 2B. I think this could work out very well.
- If we’re not signing Albert, why would we sign Berkman? Seems to me that it would make sense to sign a stop gap 1B for a year or so (Carlos Pena), see if Matt Adams is going to pan out in AAA, and then adjust the plan accordingly.
- Carlos Beltran makes a ton of sense for that roster.
- If we’re bringing back Carp and not signing Pujols, I’d rather we just picked up his option, took the punishment next year, and then offered him arbitration the year after that.
- If we don’t sign Albert, I’ll be shocked. SHOCKED. It goes against the very grain of tradition and excellence that this organization has tried to build. We’ve not let someone of his talent walk away and sign somewhere else in quite some time.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Oh, and if we don't sign Pujols
SEND TONY LA RUSSA A BASKET OF DEAD ROSES AND LET HIM KNOW THAT HIS SERVICES ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'd do that whether we sign Pujols or not.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If I thought that firing La Russa would not effect negotiations with Albert, I'd do it tomorrow.
However, I’d rather keep Tony in the fold until Pujols either signs or doesn’t, and THEN fire his ass — citing “irreconcilable differences”.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Does anyone in the front office have ANY desire to get rid of Tony, though?
I think he’ll leave the club on his own terms, whenever he decides to. He’s got the FO wrapped around his finger.
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
that ain't his finger
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Ewwwww
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I KNOW!
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I say it every time this comes up
but TLR has lewd pictures of DeWitt, he has to. Or TLR saw DeWitt kill someone. Assuming Dewitt is a knowledgeable man, why would he continue to let TLR be TLR.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 23, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a knowledgeable BUSINESS man
and it’s pretty hard to say that Tony isn’t good for business….unless you start counting that he’s run multiple fan favorites out of town in his 15 years here, including a HOF SS who played on three World Series teams and was the face of the franchise for over a decade.
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Who? I don't remember anybody like that?
We had a player that was HOF and Tony ran him out? That SOB!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it works, sort of
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean the guy that does those Good Feet commercials
was a HOF SS? And here I thought all he did was commercials and public appearances.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The man knows about garage doors and tuna melts, I'll give him that.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Aug 23, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And his divorce attorney
According to the radio commercials at least…
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I didn't actually read your post
I just read the “HOF player ran off” part from his post
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I really gotta put a SARCASM disclaimer on my posts.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, I just have to actuallyt read before posting
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
sure were a lot of fans disguised as empty seats on the broadcast last night
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm saying over the long haul
The attendance numbers have been very good since La Russa came to St. Louis. I would attribute that to having good ball clubs and also having lots of star talent that was fun to watch, not necessarily attributing any of that to Tony himself. However, I’m guessing that DeWitt doesn’t see it that way.
Sometimes, and I mean hardly ever, it would be nice to have an irrational Steinbrenner at the helm, who doesn’t give a shit what you did for him last year, only THIS YEAR.
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What I'm getting at
is that with the team failing and more and more people getting frustrated with the day to day operation of the team, the stadium is getting more and more empty.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
if he was any other manager being so unsuccessful with this amount of talent
he would have already been fired.
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
yeah. I was meaning whether Pujols decides to stay or go won't matter.
Just chuck his ass out before ST.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
2012 roster
-Agreed, Descalso is the heavy side of that platoon, but Greene playing (2b) against lefties and giving the SS a break a day or two per week works for me. Punto (and letting Greene walk-I don’t think he has any more options) would be fine with me as well. I’d prefer Greene, but admit that this is projecting upside more than accounting for actual production.
-I’m guessing we could get Berkman on a one or two year deal. If not, Pena may well be a better option. Adams could well be a help in 2013. Berkman seems to be a fan favorite, and would soften the blow (along with keeping Carpenter) of losing Pujols.
-I’d be on board with Beltran. Opens Craig up to play some second/third/first. Provides alot of depth. Not sure on the cost.
-No Pujols pretty much guaranties in my mind that we keep Carp for one more year/exercise his option.
-I’d be surprised too, although less so today than I would have been before the beginning of this season. Even when Albert hopefully bounces back next year, it is, and will have been, reasonable to conclude that this was the first year of (hopefully an extended-i.e. not off a cliff) decline. The casual fans I know don’t seem to be as outraged about the prospect of losing him (particularly when they have seen him out-hit be Berkman and Holliday this year).
The crux of this is that I’d rather be a competitive team in 3 years than keep Albert. Having a less one-player reliant roster would also mitigate the back-end of the roster weaknesses that Tony so often falls prey to.
All good points...
Having a less one-player reliant roster would also mitigate the back-end of the roster weaknesses that Tony so often falls prey to.
I actually don’t think this is true. You have to realize that the back-end-of-the-roster weaknesses are all players that Tony La Russa actually wanted. He wanted Punto, Theriot, Winn, Feliz, Dotel, Miles, etc. — they are veteran professionals who know how to play the game!!! Why should TLR have to deal with these talented young asshole players like that Rasmus kid and that Ryan idiot when we can have a professional clubhouse full of professional clubhouse veterans!
If you look at his rosters throughout his managerial career, his rosters are FULL of these type of players at the back end. I think this is function of those players being at points in their careers where they would accept more limited roles (allowing Tony to manage the shit out of them and change lineups constantly) and wouldn’t bitch about it (allowing TLR to never have his authority questioned about his managing-the-shit out of the roster). It makes his job easier, which is then parlayed into “making the club better”. I think we’ve seen in recent years that this kind of stuff really DOESN’T make the club better — it actually makes it worse.
I don’t think there’s a good GM out there that would put up with La Russa’s shenanigans except ours, and that’s solely because of Bill DeWitt having complete and utter faith in Tony La Russa. I’m pretty sure that the braintrusts in Boston, Toronto, and Tampa wouldn’t deal well with the constant complaints about not having enough veterans on the roster.
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Theriot is not a "back-end-of-the-roster" guy
I was out starting shortstop on day one, not a random bench puzzle piece.
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by Ray DeRousse on Aug 23, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
so... the bench is a puzzle?
or the bench is random?
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yes?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray DeRousse is saying that Theriot was selected especially to be the starting shortstop,
rather than an easily manipulable bench guy. Which is even worse.
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That's true
but the worst starting position player is easily defined by “back-end of the roster” I think.
I would say that Derek Jeter is on the “back end” of the Yankee roster and that Jarrod Saltalamacchia is on the “back end” of the Red Sox roster, and those guys both start games. But they aren’t in the top 8 position players on their respective teams, and therefore are “back-end” guys.
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I'm ok describing them that way, sure
It’s accurate in the value-sense. Not in the PR sense, but we all know how important that is.
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Ok
That doesn’t mean that he’s not the “back-end of the roster”. He’s the worst regular position player we have — I would put that player on the back-end of the roster.
The OP’s argument is that the Stars and Scrubs approach doesn’t seem to be working, so maybe taking one star’s salary and spreading it evenly over some other positions will make the team better as a whole because we won’t have replacement level talents like Theriot and Skip eating up time - we’ll have 2 WAR players making $5$6M in those spots instead.
My argument is that it doesn’t matter how much you spend, it’s that TLR actually WANTED those players on his team anyway. So we’d just be paying shitty players more money or the money wouldn’t get spent at all. I’m not saying that La Russa doesn’t want the best players. I’m saying the his version of “best” and our version of “best” don’t necessarily match up. This is a guy who has employed Mike Gallego and Aaron Miles as legitimate starting middle infielders for more than a decade while they provided little to no value to their teams as players.
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Resource allocation
Teams are constructed in the context of scarce resources. I didn’t follow Tony’s teams before he came to the Cardinals, but whatever team you are looking at, the backups tend to be cheaper players-young or old. If the team said look, “we can sign Veteran A for $600,000 (Punto for example) or go with a kid for the minimum,” I have no doubt that Tony would lobby for the gritty veteran.
The intent of the above was to illustrate that if we aren’t committing 20-25% of our payroll to one player (particularly a first baseman), we will have to make this type of choice with less frequency-or theoretically not at all. If, when populating the 25 man roster, one doesn’t have to be limited in filling the last three or 4 roster spots with say $2M total, it won’t matter if Tony plays the wrong guys. This is much easier to do when you have cost controlled players as well. As I mentioned above, that pitching staff isn’t a world-beater, but it doesn’t cost that much (the bullpen especially), and is currently under team control.
If we run Descalso/Greene, Craig, Freeze, Jay and even Yadi out there as five starters, the three other starters, say Reyes/Berkman/Holliday don’t kill us salary wise. Finally, if the bench is comprised of Carpenter/Greene/Cruz/Beltran/Chambers there isn’t a combination of players that Tony can play that doesn’t give us a fighting chance. With the above team he plays Holliday, Yadi, Berkman, Reyes everday. Freeze plays most days with a comprable backup. Greene isn’t much of a dropoff in my opinion from Descalso or play Craig there if necessary and Beltran/Jay in the OF.
It shouldn’t be necessary, but for many of the reasons you cite, the best, most realistic course of action to be better next year and beyond is to “Tony-proof” the roster. Not overpaying Albert, and being able to afford, say a Beltran for the 3/4 outfield spot is one, but certainly not the only, way to do that.
I just don't think this will work like you think it will
Mainly because the roster the last two seasons was essentially Tony-proofed, and what we got was the occasional benching of young star outfielder for little to no reason at all, and the trading of said star outfielder and defensively fantastic SS for crappy veteran players. Even if you Tony-proof the roster, that still is no guarantee that the best players will play. This is the heart of the problem: La Russa’s “best” players don’t match up to who the “best players” are a significant portion of the time.
In your scenario, La Russa bitches and moans about Tyler Greene being on the roster until we sign Aaron Miles away from his job delivering pizza. Then he complains about Chambers until we sign Miles’ pizza delivering replacement Corey Patterson. He actually likes Cruz, so he’s probably ok. Beltran used to kick his ass a half decade ago in the playoffs so he’s ok too (the Arthur Rhodes corollary). We probably end up with Beltran playing CF on one leg, and Craig and Jay splitting time in RF, which is fine, but probably not optimal.
Do you see what I mean? There’s no fucking way he’s going to be ok with Chambers and Greene on the roster — he will pine for their replacement by veteran players who stink. His entire view of what constitutes a successful baseball team is at odds with the direction the organization is moving, which is to allocate lots of young talent on the farm system and then use those cost controlled players to subsidize the value of the big contract players at the major league level.
Tony La Russa is simply NOT the manager for an organization that wants to operate this way. It’s not his fault, it’s the way he is. We need to stop pretending that this is going to end in anything but disaster.
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I also think that the 2012 Cardinals (TLR edition)
End up with Heath Bell or some other “veteran” closer that TLR coveted some time ago. Maybe Fuentes.
Agree
Was really hoping Salas would leave no window open, but that isn’t happening. We were sniffing around Bell weeks ago, and nothing internally is going to move the organization from that in the next month. We’re going to sink dollars into a closer.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 23, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually expect Bell to take less money to stay in San Diego
FWIW — I don’t see too many teams offering him a big contract AND giving up a draft pick.
I think the fact that he wasn’t traded at the deadline is an indication that they intend to keep him.
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Agree with all of that
The decline is already well underway. How much pain will the organization be willing to endure is pretty much the only question. Almost certainly a good bit more.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 23, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree about the last two season's roster construction
I don’t have the 2009 opening roster in front of me, but in 2010 we started off with Theriot, Shumaker, Bautista, Augenstine and Tallet off the top of my head. The above roster consists of players better than each of these five players. If we so top-load the roster with one guy, we are not going to have any choice but to have 5-7 players like this. Then, if that one guy goes down you are totally hosed. Spreading your “star” money over as many good players as possible makes much more sense to me under the constraints we are imagining. It will also diminish the frequency of Crazy Tony incidents.
I think we mostly agree, and I will concede that the easiest thing to do would be to get rid of Tony. However, I do believe that if mgmt. says look, “here’s the roster you have to work with,” and it is something similar to the above, we will be a better team than we’ve been the last two years. Yes, Tony could demand Greene and Chambers are gone, but even if we have to go out and find an older outfielder instead of Chambers that doesn’t break the bank, we will be in a better position to do so, and be much more likely to find an effective player, if we have more resources to allocate to that spot or two.
Enigma
Your post seems to be well thought out and makes a lot of sense but it seems you have left La Russa in control of this roster. That I would not do.
Tony
Thanks. The argument I was trying to make was that with a solid top-to-bottom 25 man roster (without Albert) Tony is less able/likely to mess things up by crazy in-game management. Last year I finally got to the point that I was indifferent to whether he stays or goes, but practically speaking I think he is here until he chooses not to be anymore-for good or ill.
The last couple of years has demonstrated, if nothing else, that he doesn’t do Stars and Scrubs well anymore. If we take it as a given that he will be back, allocating resources more evenly, as described in the main post, seems more rational to me.
I don't see Tony being happy
unless he has a roster full of 30 year old veteran players who are All-Stars and payroll is at $180M or so.
He doesn’t care if DeWitt and company lose money — he knows that the best way to win games is to have a roster full of vetereny vetereness dammit, so that’s what he wants!
/sarcasm.
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I think every description of Tony you’ve made in this thread remind me of Doug Melvin. Last homestand he was in the booth mocking those who would’ve reduced roles or just given the heave ho to juggernauts like McGehee, Counsell and Kotsay. He was right he said which I guess means they aren’t grimly awful.
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I dunno, just eye-balling that roster
is it really any upgrade over this year’s? (besides the addition of Wainwright of course)
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2012 Roster
Personally I think so. The rotation is solid, if unspectacular, with arguably 3 guys in the pen that you could stretch out in case of injuries. There isn’t a “bad” pitcher in that pen. That staff won’t be the best in the NL, but I believe it has a strong likeihood of being in the top 3 or 4 in terms of overall effectiveness. WB and Lohse are no great shakes, but most teams would take them as 4th and 5th options in a heartbeat. Hell 5 of the 7 guys in the pen could probably be a reasonably effective closer. There is also help on the way with Miller and a couple of current AA starters that will be able to provide additional, cost-controlled bullpen depth possibly as early as next year.
You have increased your amount of speed in the lineup considerably with Reyes. Have a good lefty/righty mix. Have a legitimate backup for the MI and 3B (with Cox also ready to contribute as early as late next year). I think you are a little shallow in the OF. However, a very good suggestion above re: Beltran (provided he can be had at a reasonable price on a relatively short deal) would shore that up. You also have alot of money coming off the books in 2013 (WB, Lohse and Carpenter), with a couple of internal, more experienced pitchers ready to take two of those three spots. I don’t think that team wins 100 games, but 90 doesn’t strike me as unreasonable and you don’t mortgate the next 6-8 years to do it.
I'd save $2-3MM by dumping McClellan; he's terrible.
Just put Brandon Dickson in there.
I wonder if Furcal would play 2B? I doubt he would. But singing him to play 2B while Reyes plays SS and pushing Descalso to the bench would be pretty awesome. Probably don’t have the money to do that though.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
what ever happened to Dickson anyway?
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I feel like McClellan is a Skip Schumaker-y pitcher
That is, he’s OK at what he does, and we know he can do what he does. But he’s also very replaceable, and the minute he stops being cheap there’s no reason to not replace him. We are keeping him around because we don’t like the slight uncertainly that the cheaper options bring, even though it wouldn’t take all that much to replace his production. Am I being unfair to McClellan, VEB?
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that's a pretty accurate statement. nothing unfair about it.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I might agree that in a hypothetical though-experiment kinda way, letting Albert walk is the smarter move.
However, in the real world I am not convinced that it would be any better than keeping him.. I think it might actually be the dumber move in the real world.
First, I don’t necessarily trust the Cardinals to more efficiently and effectively replace his production with the money saved. With Albert I think we know what we’re getting, and decline phase Pujols should still be a pretty darn good player. Letting him leave does free up a lot of money. But then we have to trust the team to actually do the diligent work required and get the right alternatives with that money. I’m not sold that they would do that. It’s possible that they would. But putting together a hypothetical roster, even one that is pretty realistic as you have done, is not nearly the same thing as the actual Cardinals actually doing it. The Cardinals might spend the Pujols Money better than they would have on Pujols. They might spend it worse. They might get exactly the same value out of that money that they would have with Pujols. I’m not nearly ready to bet on which outcome we would get. I’d rather just keep Albert and try to find other ways to improve the club. I also really, really want to keep him for selfish Stan Musially reasons. So I admit I have my own biases here.
Second, and I realize this basically one of fourstick’s bullet points already and is kind of answering a different question than the one raised by your post, but I still think it’s simply more likely than not in the real world that we do keep Albert. It’s not a done deal or set in stone or whatever cliche you wish to use. I might not be as shocked as fourstick would, but I’d be at least a little shocked if we don’t sign him. So I am leaning towards thinking that the post-Pujols scenarios are simply premature at this point.
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What if the FO
isn’t prepared to spend the same amount in these two alternatives?
I can picture them seeing Albert as a once-in-a-lifetime player that they would be fools to let go if they can do it even close to reasonably. And that may justify the extra $10M payroll bump.
But if Albert gets an absurd contract, they may not spend on lesser types all $25M that they are prepared to spend on him. Maybe they only spend $15M. That’s probably how I would be approaching it.
In this scenario, they would have to spend their money WAY more wisely because there would be quite a bit less of it.
This
I don’t believe for one instant that the non-Pujols 2012 budget would be as high as the with-Pujols budget.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's another issue that I have thought of in the past but wasn't really remembering when I wrote the post above
There’s simply no guarantee that the “new Pujols payroll” will be the same as the “post Pujols payroll”.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Albert leaving
There is absolutely no guaranty that we will efficiently spend that money on other players. To me, thinking about it quite a bit over the last year, the best you can do is put yourself in the best position to be successful, i.e. secure the widest range of reasonable outcomes that would in this case win 90+ games for the next several years.
To do that with Albert will require Miller, Martinez, Cox, Wong or alternative players to be major league ready in a couple of years and very successful. I’ve watched Miller and Cox play a number of times this year in person, and I am extremely hopeful that in a couple of years we will have another wave of new talent ready to contribute. However, if Albert and Tony stay, that is our one, and only, shot at having a competitive team when Albert is a 260/30/100 hitter, at the easiest defensive position on the spectrum, making somewhere between $25-30M. There are no guaranties when it comes to prospects either.
If instead, you spend that money on Berkman/Pena and Reyes next year, and keep Carpenter a couple of things happen. One, you aren’t locked in for numerous years of an inevitable decline. Carpenter will be gone in a year or two at most. Same with Berkman/Pena. Reyes is a committment, and a health concern, but the upside of a SS of his caliber, provided he can be had on a five year deal, to me justifies taking that risk. Adding an extra $10M and making it a 6-8 year deal for a 1B that is already in decline just isn’t a risk that is worth mortgaging the future for.
I love Albert, and would gladly give him a 5 year $100M deal. That isn’t even in the ballpark of what he will want/get in the open market.
Will it be a difficult sell from a PR perspective? Absolutely. As much as I hate to say it, however, look at the Red Sox, or the Patriots, or any other team that is successful over a sustained period. It is far better in the long run to walk away a year too early, than in this case 3 or 4 years to late.
Everything you're saying makes sense to me
It still has nothing to do with what the Cardinals will actually do should they not re-sign Pujols. That’s my only problem with all this kind of analysis. We love to assume the club thinks like us and will make these moves that seem perfectly reasonable and advantageous to us. But we just can’t guarantee ourselves.
Speculation is fun for its own sake, and I am not one of those people who looks at every hypothetical roster post and says “u r dum this nevar happen shut up nao” or something. Hope I’m not coming across as that kind of trolly type. I just think we should remember that, if we hope the team lets Albert go and then does X, Y, and Z, we are actually talking about a whole bunch of separate events which will not necessarily all happen.
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Another problem:
If the club does not sign Pujols to a new contract, why should be assume that they will spend the same amount of money on a roster without Pujols as on a roster with Pujols? Isn’t it just as likely that the club would not increase payroll by $30 million or $25 million if Pujols leaves? What if DeWitt orders that the payroll come in at no higher than $95 million if Pujols signs elsewhere (other than a lot more “DeWallet” jokes)?
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2012 Payroll
It isn’t a zero sum game. That is a fair point. However, the fan outcry over losing Albert may also strong arm them into keeping payroll at the same level. We can’t know, and perhaps the team can’t either, what the Albert and non-Albert budgets will be. It will depend on a whole lot of factors—pr related to Albert leaving “for more money” or “because the team is cheap”, other players available and their demands, perhaps even the economy.
Any one would just be guessing to suggest that we will definately have payroll x with Albert, and payroll y without him.
Yeah, it's all guessing
It’s fun to guess though, and try to make arguments for a position.
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I think that this is a bit backward
I could see a considerable slump in season ticket sales if the Pujols negotiation lasts well into the winter months. With less revenue coming in, ownership would be less likely to open up the pocketbook for multiple expensive free agents to “increase fan interest” in the team should Albert not return. What’s more, most of those free agents are likely to be gone if Pujols actually enters the free agent market.
I expect the club to make him a very good offer in October to extend his current deal, ensuring the he never hits free agency. If he declines, I would expect the club to move on with other business and assume that he is not returning.
Thing is, the front office’s ability to negotiate without controlling leverage is awful suspect: see Lohse, Kyle, and Holliday, Matt. We severely overpaid for both of those players.
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I could see this going the other way
They had the opportunity to work out a deal last year and couldn’t. I think the Cards are viewing it as they will pay what they view to be a fair price, but are not going to bid against themselves. Thus, they will likely be willing to wait around to see if Albert can get a better deal.
2012 Roster hypotheticals
Not at all, I appreciate the dialogue. Kinda slow at work today, usually don’t have much time to contribute to the discussion.
I am of the view that the above doesn’t require much of a logical leap. The entire staff is under team control, and without Albert, affordable, for next year. Requires no moves whatsoever.
Same goes for 6 of the position players and 4 of the 5 players on the bench. The big variables are: (1) can we land Reyes?; and (2) what will it take to keep Berkman?
The first is unknowable at this point. I personally don’t think retaining Berkman is that big a stretch, and if Reyes commands crazy money I’d go with Furcal and spend the “dry powder” at the deadline.
Another consideration regarding the Pujols negotiations,
is where he will sign in the process relative to other free agents. Will he sign before or after them? If the club is in on Pujols until the end—which I believe will be the case—will Reyes and/or Berkman even still be on the free agent market if Pujols signs elsewhere?
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Excellent point
Hard to say how all the dominoes will fall. I can say for sure, however, that I am tired of being the last kid at the dance without a partner.
All the more reason to say, “look Albert, this is what we can do,” and actually present something close to our best offer. If he won’t do it, we need to pursue other options and not wait until there are no other options. Waiting will do nothing but increase Albert’s leverage and diminish the Cardinals’. In fact, they should take this approach whether the are hell-bent on keeping Albert or not.
This I agree with
We should not be held hostage by the demands of one player, regardless of his greatness.
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i get an eye twitch everytime somebody says "carlos pena" in relation to the cardinals.
here are his wOBAr’s by chronological full season: .465, .388, .401, .359, .334.
okay, now imagine that graph. put a line of best fit, and imagine where the “2012” data point hits (hint: the toilet).
i am reading the post and this thread by putting the words “generic free agent first baseman” where the words “carlos pena” appear, as i think that was the intent.
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if pujols doesn't stay, i expect to see craig at 1B. or maybe matt adams
we are not lacking in slugging 1Bs. we need to spend that money on a MIF.
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If Wainwright comes back healthy and Berkman plays like this year, then yes…but other than that?
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by CodyG on Aug 23, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm. Neither is Albert's
but they want $1800 for his. I’m not ponying up for that one.
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by The Continental on Aug 23, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the St. Louis Cardinals, LLC will...
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by mysterui on Aug 23, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
NO SOCCER!!!
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by CodyG on Aug 23, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
93% chance of making the playoffs!
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Isn't making the playoffs in MLS
a lot like making it to second base with your mother (or so I’ve heard)?
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by fourstick on Aug 23, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well a draw is like kissing your sister, that's fo shizzle
And yeah, 10/18 teams make the playoffs in the MLS. That’s good for a budding league, though, because teams are in the hunt longer, which improves attendance, and the teams obviously make more money off the additional playoff games
But we’re in legitimately, so suck it
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So it's kinda like hockey then, right?
I can just not watch the entire regular season and then tune in for the playoffs?
Good. I’m there.
I’m a soccer fan, but it’s just not a replacement for baseball.
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Second'ed
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I on the other hand will be watching it for a few more months
I do hate what the GOB have done to us though… moth incident was funny however.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
2012= Transition Year
It seem that regardless of the outcome of the Pujols situation 2012 will be a transition year for the Cards. The major obstacle to 2012 being anything but a lost year are the funds tied up in Westbrook and Lohse. The club could improve the middle infield even with a $25 million first baseman if $20million wasn’t locked up in two ineffectual backend starters.
The real hope for post 2012 success is in a farm system producing a cheap an effective major league back end of the rotation, bullpen and bench. 2011, for all it’s frustrations, seems like a step forward on the bullpen and bench fronts. The question remains whether the system will produce enough talent to ensure that future gm’s need not sign the likes of Lohse and Westbrook to long term deals.
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I don't think Miller will pitch for the BOB regardless of the manager.
That is, unless injuries require him to be called up. I bet Miller will begin the year in Memphis and start for the Redbirds the entire season.
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I think Miller could be up next year
But not at the beginning of the year, and possibly not at all.
If he moves up to Memphis and dominates the competition, the team might pull him up in June or July for half a season or maybe give him a cup o’ coffee in September.
It’s not that he WON’T pitch in St. Louis next year, it’s that we can’t PLAN on him being in St. Louis next year. Big difference.
I would guess Martinez will be end of 2013 or more likely 2014, if we don’t deal him before then, which I could totally see happening if he ever maxes out his prospect value.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Charlie Tilson only batting .200/.273/.200
EVERYBODY PANIC
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No bro I think his 11 PA are predictive
THIS SEASON IS THE WORST
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Second round pick from June's draft
We just signed him a week and a half ago for 1.275 million.
Still not a werewolf.
I would be so so so so so so so happy if our starting infield for the rest of the season was
Pujols
Craig
Greene
Carpenter
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And we traded all the other spare pieces
to Houston in exchange for not having to face Bud Norris ever again.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
But seriously we need to trade Freese
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
His production is entirely based on his BABIP
Whether or not you believe that BABIP is sustainable is another debate, but there’s no question that he needs a high BABIP to be a productive hitter
So we sell high on him now before he crashes back to earth, and then instill Carp as every day 3B/leadoff guy with little to no drop in production.
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Agreed
He’s not Joey Votto. His BABIP is going to drop considerably, and with it most of his overall value.
I think we should deal him and plan on Matt Carpenter being the opening day third baseman in 2012.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
and if Carpenter continues to hit under the Mendoza line at the big league level
with even less authority to his swings than that would indicate, I would personally be the one to escort MO out of town.
I don't understand...
Are you talking about Matt Carpenter? The guy who got literally less than 20 plate appearances this year?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Carpenter's at bats remind me of Alex Gordon
circa 2009-2010. He looked like he was trying to walk. He did not want to swing the bat, because he was scared. That’s my “eye test” of Carpenter’s first 19 PAs. If he continues to want to walk and never swing the bat with authority, then I don’t want him as my starting third baseman. That’s all.
If he decides he wants to be a ball player and swing the bat with an effort of trying to drive the ball…bring it on.
Complete BS
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by vivaelpujols on Aug 23, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahah
And to think you needed 19 plate appearances to come up with this opinion. And you’re penalizing him for having incredible patience and walking a lot.
Well done.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 24, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Wuh?
Surely you’re not trying to argue that his numbers in 20 at bats scattered semi-randomly over a few weeks is predictive of anything.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
7 out of 8 games
Not over several weeks. It wasn’t as if he wasn’t playing regularly when he was up. He missed one game is all.
Either way, 20 plate appearances is literally nothing at all.
Even people who don’t really quite understand SSS will attest that giving a player 20 plate appearances won’t be enough to judge him or even get an opinion on him.
If anything, Carpenter in his 19 plate appearances was he we should have thought he was with a little BABIP not in his favor.
by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 24, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
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i predict that he will be healthy for all of 2012
and his season will look a lot like casey mcgehee’s 2011
It's kinda like cleaning all the clothes out of your closet that you don't really use.
The only thing left is good quality clothes that you know your like. Yeah!
Who is TLR's next victim?
Tony certainly did us no favors last night.
Having Patterson hit while Craig was available was plain dumb.
But Carp and Salas deserve quite a bit of blame for the ninth inning. First, Carp hit the leadoff batter in a 1-0 game. That is just terrible; a cardinal sin for pitcher. It’d be better to just groove fastballs and risk a home run than to do that.
Second, our “closer” has to get Aaron f’n Miles out. Salas left a 90 mph fastball up and out over the plate to a bad hitter — who then clubbed it. I honestly don’t want Salas as our closer next year. He’s fine if he keeps his walks down but he’s nothing special.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
I'd like to see Motte as our closer right now
Not sure he’s got the mental capacity to handle the job though…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I was going to express some concern about his control
but what can I really say? I looked at his peripherals and they’re pretty damn solid in that area.
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I would have rather seen Motte last night
Salas has been decent this year but lately he’s seemed to slip. Maybe it’s innings piling up, maybe teams are getting a better scouting report on him, whatever. Motte has been very good lately. I would have a lot of confidence in a Motte vs. Miles matchup.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
no way that Miles catches up to the Sauce.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
with a rocket up his ass...
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Miles is a slap hitter.
He probably could catch up to the sauce as well as anyone on the Dodgers.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I still think you give Carp another batter.
I want Sanchez closing next year if healthy.
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
I love how he is taking off the glasses
and yet still wearing glasses.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i hate baseball
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
if you look upthread a bit
you’ll see viable incestuous options as alternatives to America’s sport. in pseudo-code, it looks like this:
if (hatebaseball == true)
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else if (SoccerDraw == true)
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I am about to the point of joining the "Fire Tony LaRussa" signature brigade.
Last night was damn close to the last straw.
I don't think we ever got #FireTLR trending last night.
Damned shame.
Colby in TOR: .224/.247/.412 3HR 21K/3BB 8/21
by The Continental on Aug 23, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
today on "Trending in St. Louis" we have
#ICanHonestlySay, Will and Jada, God, YouTube, Friday, St. Louis, Facebook, #worstfeeling, #yeaitjustgotreal, #WordsBeforeYouBust
perhaps now is the time to try to get it going again?
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wait a minute...
Will Smith is sorta single?
"Prison ain't so bad. You can make sangria in the terlet [toilet]." - Scruffy
the last mentions of "St. Louis"
were from 30 minutes ago. NOW IS THE TIME
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if we had to band together to stop looters, we’d probably stop by the cheesecake factory first
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it would be like west side story
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
We'd come up with clever gang names
Hops vs. Malts? Ales vs. Lagers?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
caught tail-end
schafly’s was on “how i made my millions” on one of those finance channels
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
FREE TYLER GREENE!!!
Er…free Tyler Greene.
why this team under-achieved: my own precis
injuries factor in to 1 and 4, below, and lady LUCK and momentum killers have some key scenes, but overall I isolate four areas of cause/effect.
DEFENSE – overall poor and even crippling (game blowing) in too many instances. MIF especially below grade; corner OF not providing a plus (altho we got terrific hitting from it); only real plusses were Pu and Yadi, and even those two had slightly off years defensively.
EARLY Bullpen woes, waiting too long for necessary changes and then never really getting it consistently squared away.
Great ‘hitting’ but the overall LACK of SPEED wasted some of it; excessive DPs and a dearth of ‘manufactured’ runs, especially in key “could have put the game away” spots [see, # 2 above]
And my overall favorite: personnel use. Well chronicled on these pages, but for me it begins and ends with playing Ryan Theriot at SS. Then bullpen use; and Tony’s chronic and incessant line-up puzzlers
My Fixes?: (in no particular rank of importance) a solid bullpen with defined roles; a much better defensive MIF, at whatever cost of offense; and (guilty of bandwagoning here) TONY must go.
yes
the no defense and lack of speed thing hurt quite a bit, and relying on batista for any part of the season. funny part is they got rid of a certain fast defensive specialist, and replaced him with some cubs detritus
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Got a text from my Mom in Memphis about an earthquake just now
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot she's in Baltimore for the week for a conference...don't think there's any earthquake problems in Memphis
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i was about to say
we would be f*d
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
enjoy some bicentennial earthquake field trips.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sweet, USGS gives ole 1812 a shout-out.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My bad
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't an earthquake.
Stavinoha dived for a ball and missed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not like he's prince fielder
would've.
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Gritty!
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
My boss noticed our potted plant shaking
I thought he was being loopy, but 5 minutes later the internet said the earth had been a’shakin.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
check it out, it's still red.
http://folkworm.ceri.memphis.edu/recenteqs/
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no, no, my bad.
now we’re on nuclear plant watch.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
pentagon's basement got flooded omg!!
what about the ark of the covenant!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
how nice, they evacuated the air traffic controllers.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the knee-jerk reaction along the east coast was "terrorist attack"
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
lol, DA in NYC is like "it's okay, I've been in earthquakes in Seattle"
everyone else freaks out.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in conclusion
the most important earthquake coverage ever
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef014e8ae3b169970d-800wi
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wait, there was also an earthquake in DC
can’t be the same one, can it?
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uh, yes.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/US2/37.39.-79.-77.php
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i thought we were talking about a memphis earthquake too
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That was one heck of a milk shake!
:=8O
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Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, they just let us back into our building
I’m on the 13th floor of our building in Reston (about 10 – 15 miles from DC). It was pretty freaky. The whole building felt like it was moving up and down about an inch or so really rapidly for about 10 seconds. I wonder if the effect was magnified by being in one of the higher floors of a tall building. Gives me new respect for Californians!
youneverknow
odds the team claiming wandy is the cards?
i’d say 5 to 1. they were talking about how jaime has stopped listening to duncan recently. i just assumed he would end up in toronto
Rodriguez Twitter Rumors
From Buster Olney (who correctly broke the story regarding the actual players exchanged in the Rasmus trade):
Early speculation among rival teams is that WASH is the team that placed claim on Wandy Rodriguez; they need a veteran SP for ’12 rotation.
From Rogers Sports Net:
Two things are currently true: A) An unnamed team has claimed Astros’ Wandy Rodriguez B) Jays GM AA has a press conf @ 330 pm et
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Wandy is not as bad as folks seem to think, IMO.
2009: 3.54 FIP, 4.0 WAR
2010: 3.50 FIP, 3.6 WAR
2011: 3.91 FIP, 1.6 WAR ($7.5MM salary)
2012: $10.5MM
2013: $13.5MM
2014: Option Year (I don’t know the parameters)
The contract isn’t terrible. You’d essentially be getting a 3- or 4-WAR pitcher on a two-year deal with an option. You’re unlikely to find that on the free agent market, don’t you think?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Okay.
Still, a three-year deal worth $37MM for a pitcher that will like be a 3-to-4-WAR pitcher for you. I think that’s a pretty fair deal. Yeah, it’s right around market value, but it isn’t terrible. I’m trying to think of a comparable FA signing in recent years, but I can’t.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ted Lilly and Randy Wolf might be good comps
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Wolf
would be an excellent comp. Because I still can’t figure out how the hell he gets hitters out either.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
And especially if you are Nats
I think you take that. They have had a hard time attracting talent. You add Wandy and Strasburg to their rotation and they will win some games.
jays are bleeding starting pitchers, so that would be surprising
did we ever figure out why the nats traded for jonny gomes
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by YesWeOquendo on Aug 23, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Needed somebody who would take a game-winning HBP
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Wandy
Gambo620 John Gambadoro
The Diamondbacks have traded 2b Kelly Johnson to Toronto for 2b Aaron Hill and SS John McDonald.
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Seems dumb for the Diamondbacks
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Kelly Johnson's wOBA*
makes Tyler Greene’s look good.
Actually all of these players’ offensive stats suck.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
But Johnson’s track record is better than the other two, no? Of course, he’s never played in the AL East before, and he’s currently in the NL West….
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by jd is legend on Aug 23, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't really matter anyway.
I’m sure Trnoto just wanted him for the draft pick compensation. Johnson is right on the border between type B/type A and he’s safe to offer arb to.
Doubt Toronto wants to offer arb to HIll (he has an option they pobaby weren’t going to pick up) and McDonald has no status.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like that for the D-Backs.
They just shored up 2B and SS for the rest of this year and 2B for the next 3 years.
It’s basically an upgrade for this season for the D-Backs because they get a SS who can pick it (they’ve been playing Willie Bloomquist at SS. I’ll repeat that for effect. A DIVISION LEADING team is playing Willie Bloomquist at SS) and Hill isn’t really a downgrade from Johnson.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This could be a really good trade for Arizona
If Kirk Gibson can figure out why Aaron Hill continues to pop the ball up on the infield so much. Good god — he’s about 8 times the league average over the last two seasons and it’s crushing his offensive value.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
wat
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the blockquote meme has now made me doubt blockquotes.
otherwise, thanks for the source links. haha.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Rockies awarded claim on Wandy. Talks ongoing. Will be outcome by 1 p.m. ET Thursday. #Astros #MLB
Oh my.
I was about to say that, depending on the pieces, I may like this trade better than the Indians trading for Ubaldo (primarily due to the velocity drop).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Jaime has stopped listening to Duncan - since he got his contract
Since he got his contract, Jaime has sucked ass.
let me make sure i get this waiver thing straight
the astros and the claiming team can either work out a trade or the astros can just dump wandy and his whole salary on the claiming team, right?
I think the Astros would have to pay $20,000 to dump Wandy on the claiming team.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I always grin when I'm reminded of the $20,000 fee.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You remember when
I believe it was the Tampa Bay Rays played a joke on the guy coming up to bat by playing It’s Raining Men as the walk up music? The Cardinals would never do that and that is what is wrong with them. Too serious. It’s a GAME!
Yeah,
also that time Lohse impersonated La Russa.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
their mascot is srs bznz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qam4Dv50RH0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzKEuJQaxmw
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
man, they're even big in japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgj5Cs6BCQ
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i got the moon, i got the cheese,
i got my team stuck in the AL east
i got the kotch, i got the joyce
i got the shields, i got the price,
but hey, i’m big in japan
i’m big in japan
i’m big in japan, yeah.
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Happy Shelby Miller Day!
Per Derrick Goold:
Shelby Miller will start for Class AA Springfield tonight, in return from suspension. #STLcards #Cardinals #stlminors
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cardinals starter Adam Wainwright, who has spent the entire season recovering from elbow surgery, unleashed 50 throws at a distance of 120 feet Monday.
did they cut through steel
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 23, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought that was a joke at first.
Did they infuse him with APu DNA or LegoDNA?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they just installed the Release Candidate of A.D.A.M. 2.0
Look for the RTM version around Spring Training 2012
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 23, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't this about the time that he should be throwing on the recovery calendar?
Might be a little ahead of schedule I guess.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I wasn't making a judgment
I just wondered if this was out of the ordinary for a pitcher to be throwing this early. 50 feet is roughly the distance of a little league pitcher’s mound to home plate, so not all that far.
But the fact that he’s throwing without any complications is a good sign for sure.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'm just glad he had it done when he did
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 23, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish he would have had it done
In September of 2010, when he injured it, since I’m pretty damn sure that’s when it happened.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I thought it was earlier in Feb
Will be at six months next week.
Dr. Tim Kremchek, the team physician for the Cincinnati Reds and one of the leading practitioners of Tommy John surgery, agrees: “Much like ACL reconstruction in football, where we’re seeing some kids back on the field in four to five months, we’re seeing the same sort of thing with elbows. With the newer, more holistic rehab processes, I’m seeing most players ready in a year, maybe a little less. They’re focused on the core, on mobilizing the arm, on proprioception, and that has them back and ready to go.” While Dr. Kremchek uses a version of the surgery that is slightly modified from the original Jobe techniques, he believes it’s how we look at the rehab process that has kept the perceptions about the recovery time around. “A guy hurts his arm and has the surgery, then he vanishes. We don’t see him in the media again until he’s throwing and getting ready to do a rehab assignment. We’re seeing him every day in rehab, but with a player like Steven Strasburg, where every move is watched, it might look like throwing like he is at six months is unusual. It’s not.”
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
good work fritz
seems to be right on schedule
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I suppose so, now that you mention it.
my nephew had shoulder surgery right before WW had TJ and he started throwing about a week ago.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been throwing a bit
lot for long, and this is probably the most rigorous workout yet. But he mentioned after the Saturday night game against the Rockies that he had started some throwing.
It still wouldn’t surprise me to see him lobbying for one inning, “just one inning, Skip” before the season is over. They shouldn’t let him, but it won’t surprise me to see him ask.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
LineUp
Furcal, ss; Craig, cf; Pujols, 1b; Holliday, lf; Berkman, rf; Freese, 3b; Molina, c; Theriot, 2b; Lohse, rhp
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
....
can craig really not play 2b? seems like a better idea than CF if we are hellbent on getting his bat in the lineup
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At ten games out, does it really matter?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
9 games
Don’t get ahead of yourself, it’ll more than likely be 10 tonight
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 23, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
right now my pessimism knows no bounds
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
I figured the Brewers would finish us off next week. I guess we decided to not wait…. ugh.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
worried about his knee
and the (in)ability he’s shown so far to get out of the way on a DP turn (or so I heard).
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
craig center field
tony trying to get him injured
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Has it jumped on the #FireTLR bandwagon yet?
If not, it’s only a matter of time.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
the moth is a colby hater
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the dbacks bus is stuck in traffic in d.c. because of the earthquake
and now they might need a police escort to get to the ballpark on time.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
maybe put them on a boat.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OT:
I am thinking a buying an e-reader. Does anyone here have any suggestions? I am leaning towards the Kindle 3 but haven’t done a ton of research.
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The Nook color is pretty cool
but I spend all day looking at a computer screen. I think the Kindle would be better on my eyes.
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You can root it and install Android too
which is kinda nice.
At this point, the Kindle is the way to go for e-readers, but I would just get a cheap tablet, load all the book reading apps, and also have access to the internet, angry birds, and other fun stuff.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If you're going for the Kindle
Wait. The new Kindles are rumored to be coming out very, very soon.
The Nook color is great because you can install Android on it.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 23, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends...
Do you want e-ink? The Kindle 3 and Nook Touch (not Nook Color) both have the same good screen, but the Kindle has buttons and the Nook Touch has a touch screen.
Where do you want to buy your books? With Kindle, you are locked into Amazon and non-DRM booksellers (like Baen or soom books at Fictionwise). With the Nook Touch you are locked out of Amazon, but can buy in most other places.
Considering that Apple forced agency pricing, there’s not really a difference for most books anymore, as the publishers now set the price everywhere, as opposed to before the iPad, when retailers would set the price of books.
Also bear in mind the Kindle 3 is about a year old and it’s rumored there will be another model announced soon, along with Amazon’s tablet.
Yeah I know the Kindle 4 will prob be released before Christmas.
For that reason the price of Kindle 3 has dropped a bit. I definitely want e-ink so i’m not sure what the major upgrades the Kindle 4 can offer that will be worth the increased price.
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That's true.
I’m just wondering what the diffence between 3 and 4 will be. If it’s color and something more similar to the Nook Color than I would prob still get 3 and if it’s not I have no idea what the new features would be, other than maybe touch screen.
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I was never grateful my parents took me out of the Midwest before adulthood until now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_sandwich
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_cream_pie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotdish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_sandwich
What is wrong with you guys?
Still not a werewolf.
i have heard of hot dish, but only because of prarie home companion.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
Nothing wrong with the hotdish or the sugar-cream-pie
(except that pie desperately needs some pecans on top of it). Never heard/seen of the horseshoe sandwich or the brain sandwich. My granddad used to eat scrambled eggs & brains, however. (he grew up in Wisconsin, btw)
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 23, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
basically
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
hotdish is basically as pasty without the doughy shell
same type of filling
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
now you have to explain pasty to 'em.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he can google
besides, the only people that can really explain a pasty is a Yupper.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
let's have joe mauer explain that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFUj_0I021o
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's great
one of my best friends is from Upper Wisconsin, he and I have had some interesting convos over the years.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm waiting on him to google headcheese, myself.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
weirdly, I wiki'd that last week
thanks to my professor from Nebraska mentioning his love for it.
Still not a werewolf.
Headcheese is good
Also, I want someone to make a parody song called “Head Cheese” to the tune of “Head Games” by Foreigner.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
that is on a list of things I won't eat voluntarily
it’s right up there with clabber
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
It’s just meat from parts of the head congealed together to make it sliceable. Most head cheese you find these days won’t even have any brains or eye balls or anything like that in it.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
heard too many stories from my parents, I guess.
they both grew up dirt poor and had to do a lot of things that most people wouldn’t think about nowadays. It just never appealed to me after that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My parents were Yoopers
Up until they graduated from college and needed jobs, at least.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 23, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, not much up there on the job front
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Beautiful country though
They recently retired, and long ago bought some land on a lake up there. Never built on it though – decided against moving there because of the limited healthcare, driving 10 miles in 2 feet of snot to get to a hospital, etc.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 23, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
heheheh sometimes it's slick as snot though
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
besides the brain sandwich
what’s the problem? Ever had headcheese?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
well, clank my boy..... I ain't no vegetarian.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Brain sandwiches are a Saint Louis tradition
We even have a famous photo/poster about it:
http://www.cafepress.com/+brains_25_cents_mini_poster_print,19955694
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
oh, I know.
My dad has informed me of all the things that they used to eat during the Depression. People weren’t so picky back then.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
my sister goes on kicks and gets inspired by depresssion-era books
and often cooks recipes she finds in the books.
Still not a werewolf.
one of three apparently
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Slingers are awesome
Also, jowls are some of the best parts of the animal, you just have to prepare them to right way.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
yep
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I found a scinece book for children from the 70s in a used bookstore
that included a “How a Butcher Sees You” graphic that had a child labelled with all of the meat parts. I’m going to scan that awesome and terrifying picture one of these days.
Still not a werewolf.
when I was a kid. my mother gave me a set of tshirts that had all the different
anatomy parts. One was muscle, one was skeletal, there were a couple of others. I got used for science show and tell on the days I wore those.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
not real good for you
but it fills a hole when you need it to.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I've had far too many to count
I’m from springfield, and on the list of springfield pride items the horseshoe is probably second behind abraham lincoln.
wow. I don't think I've ever seen this side of DanUp.
back away slowly, clank. no sudden movements.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You should see what happens when you ship Harry and Ginny
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Aug 23, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
chalk's really asking for it!!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Imma make some popcorn and watch the show.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
"ship Harry and Ginny"
Otherwise known as “the way God intended”?
Whatevs, people. Canon is canon.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
and s/he was never seen again
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if my hands weren't tied by our cba with the matty union
you’d pay for this
by DanUpBaby on Aug 23, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I really dislike when journalists update articles without any indication.
Holliday on the moth:
“It died from an overflow of wisdom that he got in my head,” Holliday said, adding that he had no role in the delicate insect’s death.Bird Land
Still not a werewolf.
Does no one else think 9 games is still doable?
I mean, a 5-1 week from the Birds and that series with Milwaukee has meaning again.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
I've been saying this after, what, 15 out of 16? I now have no reason to believe they'll slow down at, I think 24 out of 27
Manchester City: 6 points, 2-0, 1st in EPL
Sergio Aguero: 2 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 2 Gs
Toni Kroos, #39, MF, Bayern Munich, Germany, my cousin
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
*I said this
Manchester City: 6 points, 2-0, 1st in EPL
Sergio Aguero: 2 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 2 Gs
Toni Kroos, #39, MF, Bayern Munich, Germany, my cousin
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They only play 5 games the rest of the week
but they can not probably (is that a saying) perpetually win.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, it's not likely
but I mean, this is baseball. It’s supposed to be fun. We’ve got 6 games left against the team we are chasing and it’s not even September yet. Shaving 4 games off this lead by September 1st puts us at 5 back with a month to play (and 4 head-to-head games left). We can pick up 2 by beating the 1st place team on Monday and Tuesday. We can pick up a half game by winning on the day they have off.
It’s still an outside shot and the team has given away 3 games in the last week but there is an awful lot of dirt being thrown on the casket with more than a month to play.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i would have said yes if we had been playing well and just getting unlucky
but we are playing like shit. like a team that does not care. we’re hanging on too tight. we’ve lost our edge.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Easy on the cliches, there.
Using that many in a row should be left to the professional sports writers.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
we've secretly replaced IHB with Joe Strauss
let’s see if VEB notices
by mattyfrommo on Aug 23, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
been watching Top Gun again?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure we're in the danger zone.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The cardinals are Goose?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
tyler greene is maverick
TLR is ice man?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
TLR is the crab-ass captain of the aircraft carrier
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
bingo
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
......
(tony talking to tyler greene and matt carpenter):
don’t screw around with me tyler. you’re a hell of an instinctive player. Maybe too good. i’d like to bust your butt but i can’t. i got another problem here. i gotta send somebody from triple A to st. louis. i gotta do something here, i still can’t believe it. i gotta give you your dream shot! i’m gonna send you up against the best. you two characters are going to the show.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
by IHeartBoog on Aug 23, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
indeed. for someone who hates this movie you sure know a lot about it!
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ah shit.
/matty’d
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
by IHeartBoog on Aug 23, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we oughta make wear name tags or something
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well done
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
there it is
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
was hoping someone would catch that
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
we are no longer friends.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
i actually don't really like him either
EXCEPT IN TOP GUN WHICH IS THE BEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
I was watching an episode of Suits a couple of weeks ago
and two of the characters were doing a Top Gun quote competition.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i saw that episode and i laughed heartily
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
I really like that show.
It’s got some of the more interesting dialogue I’ve heard in quite a while.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
magnolia? eyes wide shut?
tom cruise the person seems like a jerk, but the guy is a great actor.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
that's the only movie I've seen him in
where he didn’t seem like he was overacting
by mattyfrommo on Aug 23, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
is a good fielding, RH hitting center fielder having a terribly unlucky offensive season who will come very cheap
(and likely me ridiculously misused by TLR)?
sounds like a guy that would get platooned
with Corey Patterson to me.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a guy who make an excellent short side of a platoon
or late inning replacement. i just fear that he would be the every day CF by april 3rd on a TLR team
not like there are a whole lot of CF options out there, though
There is always the off chance the Indians don't pick up Sizemore's
$9 M option for next season.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Until he was injured (when is he not?)
yes, he was still playing CF.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ghost of Todd Burns posted this
Most of the early reports on Sizemore said his new knee problem was a repeat of the early-season bruising that necessitated a DL stint, mostly as a precaution. With Sizemore essentially the Patient Zero for microfracture in baseball, the Indians have to be more cautious. Later reports have been much more negative. It’s his right knee again, which is not the knee on which he had surgery. The immediate worry is that Sizemore’s unrepaired knee might have similar deterioration to the now-repaired left one, which would put him back where he was last year. That’s an absolute worst case. It’s still much more likely that this ends up like earlier this season, where he was out a bit longer than expected but came back fine. An MRI was encouraging, but it’s clear that Sizemore does not yet have full confidence in his knees or in his ability to stay healthy. That’s a major issue for the Indians since Sizemore has a club option for 2012. His talent, if healthy, is nearly impossible to replace, but for a team with a payroll just under $50 million, that $8 million decision is going to have a big impact, especially given a weak free agent class of OFs.
Don’t know the source.
Still not a werewolf.
pass
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Coco is also a switch hitter - him playing in CF would allow
a Jay/Craig platoon in RF (plus Jay playing for Crisp in CF and Craig getting extra PAs in RF) and Lance sliding to 1B when Albert leaves.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
CODY ROSS!!!
look at that split
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Is it bad that I like the Jose Reyes-Carlos Pena future more than re-signing Pujols at this point?
I guess I’m just tired of watching this team, I know it’s not Pujols’ fault but god I just can’t erase these summer swoons so easily. Looking back, I can’t believe that I was actually enthusiastic for this team, ever. I guess I’m on the grumpy train too.
Someday when I'm old and have grandchildren, I'll sit them down and say, "I got to see Ryan Theriot play SS." And they'll reply, "Oh, I'm so sorry you had to experience that."
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by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
The summer swoons sometimes happen despite Albert
The last couple months of the season he’s been hitting either just as well as he had the rest of the year, or even better.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I'm very aware of this, but I'm being unreasonable right now, which is very strange because I'm normally quite rational
But I guess that’s just the effect this team has on me, they’re a very polarizing force
Manchester City: 6 points, 2-0, 1st in EPL
Sergio Aguero: 2 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 2 Gs
Toni Kroos, #39, MF, Bayern Munich, Germany, my cousin
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much the same this season
when albert sucked, the cardinals were awesome. now that albert is very good, the cardinals suck
That was just the scenario listed above in the post
The Cardinals are left with two options if Pujols doesn’t sign. They can sign a big free agent and a sidekick (Jose Reyes and Carlos Pena, something like that)
Berk would work just as well, unless he became too expensive.
Manchester City: 6 points, 2-0, 1st in EPL
Sergio Aguero: 2 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 2 Gs
Toni Kroos, #39, MF, Bayern Munich, Germany, my cousin
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
college folk! tell me about the classes you will be taking this upcoming semester
this is me
human computer interaction (research based class focused on developing functional eye-tracking-as-input-device software. my final is a take home exam and the only exam i will have for the class, lol)
advanced data structures (hash tables/graphs/etc. gonna be fun. hardest CS professor in the school)
MIPS assembly language (probably gonna suck. super low-level programming. hardest CS professor in the school)
calculus 2 (i dunno, integration by parts or something. hopefully easy-ish)
freshman geology (i’m praying that this class is a gimme. fuckin’ rocks?)
classes start tomorrow, oh.
Wave Motion and Optics
lab for above class
Vector Calculus (mostly a continuation of calc 3)
Discrete Mathematics
Linear Algebra and Matrix Theory
Still not a werewolf.
I'm gonna guess you're an English major
Manchester City: 6 points, 2-0, 1st in EPL
Sergio Aguero: 2 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 2 Gs
Toni Kroos, #39, MF, Bayern Munich, Germany, my cousin
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You should write a play about the Mandelbrot set.
I’m sure it’ll be riveting.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
discrete is a breeze
mathematical induction or general proofing strategies is likely the hardest thing you’ll cover. basics of number systems, logic gates, real basic mathematical logic. that was my experience. discrete 2 is quite a bit harder if you take that
Yeah, that's what I've heard from everyone.
I’m a little excited for a proof-intensive course.
Still not a werewolf.
i wouldn't call it proof-intensive
but i did have a section that was entirely devoted to proofing strategies and then another on induction which is basically a very specific type of proof. it was easy for me. and imagine you’ve seen a lot more proofs than i had at the time, when the highest math class i had taken was precalculus
I wonder if it differs at UT
From their site:
This is a first course that emphasizes understanding and creating proofs. Therefore, it provides a transition from the problem-solving approach of calculus to the entirely rigorous approach of advanced courses such as M365C or M373K. The number of topics required for coverage has been kept modest so as to allow adequate time for students to develop theorem-proving skills.
Still not a werewolf.
perhaps
it seems strange to place so much emphasis on proofs for a class largely designed for CS majors, though. especially at a school with such a hugely respected CS program
i guess you’ll find out!
Interestingly, though many stats-heavy guys like me are math majors, I'm actually probably gonna be a Journalism major once I get to college
Manchester City: 6 points, 2-0, 1st in EPL
Sergio Aguero: 2 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 2 Gs
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by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
not a math major, if that's what you're getting at
i do like math, but once it starts to get really high-level my head tends to spin. solving non-homogeneous recurrence relations is probably the hardest thing i’ve done in college thus far
columbia has a good journalism school, though, if you’re in missouri. you probably know that, though
I didn't actually, though I'm mainly looking at Northwestern, who have an amazing Journalsim Internship program
But it’s really expensive, so I’m not sure.
Manchester City: 6 points, 2-0, 1st in EPL
Sergio Aguero: 2 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 2 Gs
Toni Kroos, #39, MF, Bayern Munich, Germany, my cousin
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure
someone correct me if i’m wrong, but i think journalism the the thing that MU is known for
this is correct. i almost went there for that reason.
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correct
I went there on a journalism scholarship and then sucked at journalism and switched to english, which at mizzou is filled with ex-journalism-majors.
for what it's worth though
my friends who stayed in the program are all doing really well now. two of them work for espn, and all the newsier types got solid first-paper jobs really quickly.
sonuva
i had a scholarship too!
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yeah, since I ended up working as a sportswriter on accident anyway
it probably would have been a good idea to stick to the degree, in hindsight. but whatever.
the only reason i didn't take it is because i got a better one from u of a
and who wants to live in columbia
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by IHeartBoog on Aug 23, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've noticed that few of the heavy saber guys are math majors
For one, stats and math are entirely different. Look at VEP.
Still not a werewolf.
I was using it more as a generalization, not getting into any specifics
Manchester City: 6 points, 2-0, 1st in EPL
Sergio Aguero: 2 Gs, 1 A
Edin Dzeko: 2 Gs
Toni Kroos, #39, MF, Bayern Munich, Germany, my cousin
by cardinalswsbound on Aug 23, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
than why does texas state require cal 2 as a prerequisite
for intro to probability and stat? i assumed there would be some calculus involved. no?
I took Calc 2 (and Discrete Math and DiffEq) before Prob Stats
and that was the normal progression at my school, but I don’t remember any calc in probability/stats.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
fun fact: my parents wanted me to major in math
naturally, i decided to major in creative writing. then i took some tests and passed out of all the math classes i would need for that major.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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your parents were probably thinking
f’in kids these days.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah and after all that i became a lawyer anyway, so joke's on them!
….wait.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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so their whole plan was to have you be a math majoring lawyer?
were you going to litigate battles over math formulas?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
ha no...but that would be interesting
i meant that it didnt matter what i majored in, in the end
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Writing
Shakespeare
Philosophy in film
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by vivaelpujols on Aug 23, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I took a course on HCI, although I don't think it was set up like yours is
Calculus 2 was the hardest calculus, IMO
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FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Aug 24, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What if
Cox destroys the ball in ST next season. Do you let him make the jump to MLB?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
They couldn't slide him over to second?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I say Mcarp to second
Cox at third. Trade freese for pitching. Emily Tyler Greene at SS. Descalso as super sub
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/22/11)
114 1/3IP, 129 K, 50 BB/HBP, 53 ER, 7 HR, 3.05 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 23, 2011 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he pulled a bobo?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure he's not.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He turns into a she?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
this better not be an online game.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh, you know it is.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
no wonder they're organized....
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Supposed to be employ
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/22/11)
114 1/3IP, 129 K, 50 BB/HBP, 53 ER, 7 HR, 3.05 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 23, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually have
I ran CC for the same school as her way back in the day.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
does Cox have any power/can he play defense well?
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There's one solution to most of what I'm reading.
Getting rid of TLR is the pivot point. The next guy will have stuff we hate, too. But, at least, it will be different stuff. Tony is just same shit, different year.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see him slug .500 somewhere first
honestly I’m still really worried/confused about this pick—the enamored pre-draft scouting reports all seemed to describe a player who still wasn’t a star if all went according to plan.
cox is definitely still learning his game. i think jumping him up would be a huge mistake.
not even sure he should go to memphis next april, much less st. louis.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
speaking of which
what i would like to see is a lot of ST exposure for wong with an eye on him landing in springfield or memphis
Zack Cox
His AA line since the all-star break (about 200 PAs) is .378/.433/.530/.963.
I’m sure he still needs to work on his defense, and reports are that it has improved some, but I don’t think it’d be ridiculous to see him in Memphis to start next year.
Indeed, I hope is there becasue that makes it more likely that MCarp is in StL, where I think he belongs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd like to see how he closes out the season, and if he goes to arizona.
if he does well in further exposure, memphis might not be a bad idea. i’m just not sold yet. defense, patience at the plate, and power all need to continue to improve.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
i always forget about the AFL
next year, when i’m not a college student, i am totally going to some AFL games
BAHAHAHA
all the games are at 1pm on weekdays. while you’re in college is the BEST time to go.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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it costs $2 to get in and you can sit anywhere you want.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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In addition, IHeartFreesie
Have we time warped back to July 26th yet?
Life was much simpler then
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/22/11)
114 1/3IP, 129 K, 50 BB/HBP, 53 ER, 7 HR, 3.05 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 23, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just bought a 2TB HDD to replace one that died not 3 months ago
and as soon as I installed it, it started clicking. I knew the clicking was a bad omen, obviously, but I spent $160 on it and we crippled without a HDD. So, anyways, today the clicking has become the clicking it makes as the head is making contact with the control arm which means death is within 7 days if that.
I’m getting fucking tired of buying new hard drives. Bad thing is, I have to order it in, which means I have to nurse this HDD through the next 2 days hoping it doesn’t die and I can get a few hours of spare time to get this one cloned.
I hate big box stores for not carrying 7200 rpm drives.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
speak to me like I'm an infant
I’m a little on edge right now.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well, because I did not realize it was bad until about a week later
and by that point, I had already added 300 GB+ of new data to it. With recording the Cardinals games nightly, I can’t go periods of time with my computer down.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
well
once you get the new HDD, just transfer everything over, format it and then send it back. you bought a shitty hard drive. don’t just eat the money
Further OT
Mario’s last name? My pal posits it must be Mario, otherwise he and Luigi wouldn’t be the Mario Brothers.
This is false.
Thoughts?
Still not a werewolf.
that's the rationale in the live-action movie, I think
which is reason enough to never, ever accept it.
The live-action movie was actually a hilarious tongue-in-cheek "alternate timeline" story
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
you're really crossing the lines of hilarribleness
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Some lines are meant to be crossed?
Tangential question: is there an accent that Bob Hoskins can’t pull off?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I love you, wikipedia.
Nintendo has never revealed Mario’s full name, stating only that it was not “Mario Mario” despite the implication of the Mario Bros. series’ title, its use in the film, and information given in the Prima official Guidebook to Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga.16
Still not a werewolf.
you better have safe cites with it.
According to a widely circulated story, during localization of Donkey Kong for North American audiences, Nintendo of America’s warehouse landlord Mario Segale confronted its then-president Minoru Arakawa, demanding back rent. Following a heated argument in which the Nintendo employees eventually convinced Segale he would be paid, they opted to name the character in the game Mario after him.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
mameshiba
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 23, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
valdes
Colby in TOR: .224/.247/.412 3HR 21K/3BB 8/21
by The Continental on Aug 23, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
in a televised statement, gaddhafi vows "victory or death."
tony la russa tears up his draft of this evening’s inspirational speech.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
by tom s. on Aug 23, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
gaddhafi always had more offensive firepower than the rebels
however, his insistence on relying on Corey Patterson was his ultimate downfall.
You can replace whatever you like in that statement for accuracy and relevance.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I can't see the phrase "victory or death" without thinking of
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
CARDS DISCUSSING SEPTEMBER CALLUPS! POSSIBLY NEXDEF'D!
Nick Stavinoha will be the most interesting candidate. Stavinoha has 26 homers for Class AAA Memphis, but he is not on the 40-man roster. The Cardinals could easily clear a spot for him this late in the season by moving one of the players off who don’t have a future with the club in 2012.
clearly we should have marked my words.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
moving one of the players off who doesn't have a future
to make room for a player who doesn’t have a future? Brilliant!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
also
it’s still weird to remember that stav was once a proto-hpgf favorite for hitting .344/.398/.564 as a 23-year-old in the Midwest League.
when nick stavinoha was 23, there was still a soviet union.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
he's an old bastard then
there wasn’t even one when I was 23
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 23, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
if interesting means fucking stupid then ok
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
goold misspelled "despair-inducing" as "interesting."
also, the notion of taking someone off the roster “who do[es]n’t have a future with the club” in order to replace him with a 29-year-old corner outfielder hitting only a tick above league average in AAA is amusing.
"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett
According to Fangraphs, his wRC+ in Memphis this year is 92.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
zach cox leads all cardinal prospects in hits
can we get a little more love for the guy in his first professional year?
is it already a forgone conclusion that the guy is a healthy david freese?
hes only 22, lets give him time to develop before we all jump off that train
he's slugging .440 and he's not especially young for palm beach/springfield
I have the same concerns about him I had about Brett Wallace—the perfect version of him that scouts seem to love still doesn’t seem like an impact player to me.
that is
if scouts had agreed that there was a lot of power lurking in his swing and we just hadn’t seen it yet that would be one thing, but it seems like they agree he’s a 15 home run guy. That seems like a tough base to build a star third baseman from, unless he’s a brilliant defender, walks as much as Matt Carpenter, or is a .330 hitter.
Hmmm, Matt Carpenter you say?
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by vivaelpujols on Aug 23, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear that is the name of a young third sacker we have
Plays down Memphis way
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I think he may very well be a .330 hitter
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean Pujols?
Yeah that would be nice.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 23, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Cox can stick at second/third though
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by vivaelpujols on Aug 23, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
your probally right about him not being an "impact player"
i have seen him play, maybe i have some personal interest in seeing him succeed as well.
still, I think he can develop into what the club considers a “core” player
or at least be a useful trade chip
the club seems open to postion swaps at this point
that bat would look at 2nd base…then again, alot of bats would
What do you mean we're "out of it"
But we can’t be……….we just can’t………I mean we improved the team immensely by letting our gold glove caliber shortstop go for a song. Who needs defense anyway, when you have a good offense. So our starting pitchers all experienced increases in their eras. Suck it up cupcakes! Dumping that clubhouse cancer; Brendan Ryan, has allowed the boys to all bond in a way that’s letting us cruise to a championship. Well at least that was the implication of management when the move was made. Brendan can’t make a difference can he?! I mean look at the terrible era of Seattle’s pitchers……….oops…..never mind…..bad example. So what if he’s hitting basically the same as Theriot (our massive offensive improvement). At least our heroes are breaking records on offense, albeit it’s unfortunately ‘Double Plays hit into’. Let’s call it ‘the curse of B.R.’. So he’s in Seattle, it’s still got to be his fault some how. I have it on reliable information that young Mr.Ryan stuck needles in a TLR voodoo doll and cursed the team to hit into all the double plays he would have turned FOR the team. Really I jest. It’s actually Colby Rasmus who is to blame. He drug the team down with his childish antics. I mean look how much better we’ve been sense he was traded. Ah yes, with Rasmus and Ryan out of the picture, I’m flying down to St.Louis later this year for the ticker tape parade. I say we sweep the Red Sox right out of the World Series.
Actually, I think the best trade we can make right now is to ship Mozeliak to the Cubs to ensure they don’t win the Series for another 100 years.
That screenname has a lot of potential
Welcome to the board!
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 24, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
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