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A Defeat Most La Russan

Friday's game was one of those that is particularly La Russan. Baseball is a game decided by players between foul lines. Managers make personnel decisions, to be sure, but the players win or lose. Over a long career in which he has the second-most wins and the second-most losses in major league history, the Cardinal skipper has succeeded in branding himself a manager whose decisions have an outsized impact for the better on the games his teams play. If credit is due when his heavy-handed managerial style results in wins, so too should it be due when it hampers his team's on-field efforts. The latter was the case on Friday.

After an assist from Clayton Kershaw and the Dodgers, the Cardinals' division race deficit had fallen to 6.5 games. (Such is the current state of the season that we use "fallen to" and "6.5 games" in the same sentence when discussing the Central race, if it even still is a race.) After disappointingly losing a three-game set to the Pirates in Pittsburgh, the Cardinals limped into the Windy City in desperate need of win. From the penciling in of the lineup to the final run, La Russa put his managerial stamp on the game.

It started with La Russa musing to the press about slugger Allen Craig, fresh off a long DL stint after suffering a fractured knee cap, seeing time in center field, if he was able to run normally. Most who have watched Craig since he returned to action have noticed that, in fact, he hasn't seemed to be running normally. As so often occurs after La Russa has chummed the waters via newspaper print, the manager penciled Craig in as the No. 2 hitter and center fielder, a defensive assignment that in no way reflects the utility man's skill set or health.

The manager did this to get Craig's bat in the lineup and because center fielder Jon Jay has been struggling lately. Wanting Craig's bat in the lineup is understandable, as is wanting to get a struggling hitter a day off. But, La Russa has given Jay a lot of off-days of late and every time opted for a replacement that shouldn't ever start in center field in the majors--Corey Patterson and Skip Schumaker before Craig. The entire experiment seemed based on the wholly illogical rationale that because Craig hit well in Pittsburgh he would hit well in Chicago and because Jay had struggled of late he would continue to struggle. In a game where the elite are unsuccessful six out of ten times, the line between hot and cold streaks is a thin one and hardly predictable. But, here the manager was playing on such an air of omniscience.

Star-divide

The Cards jumped out to a 4-1 lead, without the aid of Craig who went 0 for 3 with a strikeout before being yanked at the half-way point of the ballgame for Jay and his better defense. When experimenting with Craig at a defensive position he has rarely if ever played before, it has been the common practice for the manager to go to his bench early--and, in doing so, burning a bench player--for a more experienced defensive hand. And so, after 4.5 innings, La Russa was down one bench player and had permanently removed Craig's bat from the game.

As if to prove the manager's foolishness in the playing of the ostensibly hot bat instead of the struggling bat, Jay singled with a bit of batted-ball luck to lead off the eighth inning of a game the Cardinals then led by a single run. With a runner on first, zero outs, the walk-happy Jeff Samardzija pitching for the Cubs, and Albert Pujols at the bat, the manager made a confusing tactical decision. On the very first pitch to Pujols, La Russa gave the order for what we must assume was a hit-and-run attempt. Pujols swung and missed at a 96 MPH fastball and Geovany Soto threw the slower-than-you-think Jay out at second. The pitch was likely a strike, but I still don't like the decision.

Samardzija is fairly wild. 42.4 percent of his pitches are in the strike zone, compared to a league average of 45.6 percent and his first-pitch strike percentage of 55.4 also lags behind the league average, which is 59.3 percent. Also, Samardzija induces a swinging strike 9.9 percent of the time, which is a bit higher than the MLB average of 8.6 percent. Jay is also not a very good base stealer, with 5 caught stealings to his 6 stolen bases. If there is a swing-and-miss, Jay is just as likely to be thrown out as wind up safely at second base. Simply put, Jay is not a runner to hit-and-run with because he isn't fast and Samardzija is not a pitcher to call for the hit-and-run against due to his wildness and swing-and-miss stuff. Lastly, with one of the game's best hitters at the plate, why meddle? Why force Pujols to swing at the first pitch? Why not let Pujols go about his PA in the manner that has proven so effective for nearly eleven seasons? Why risk Pujols batting with the bases empty and a 0-1 count when the PA started with a runner on? Even with Pujols's high GIDP numbers this season, in a one-run game in the eighth inning, I'd let my first ballot Hall-of-Famer do what he has done so well for so long rather than force his hand and flirt with removing a lead-augmenting run from the base paths.

The eighth inning then produced a typical La Russan bullpen carousel. Jason Motte retired the first batter but was then lifted for the ancient Arthur Rhodes, who walked Carlos Peña. The LOOGY (or, LO[BB]GY) was then replaced by the trusted Kyle McClellan in a vaunted La Russa double switch. Even though the tying run was now on, Patterson was inserted in right field for Lance Berkman. McClellan's smoke-and-mirrors act was hammered by Soto for a game-tying double. After a HBP put the go-ahead run on, K-Mac escaped the eighth with the game tied at four runs apiece.

Carlos Marmol sat the Cardinals down 1-2-3 in the ninth and McClellan did his best Izzy impersonation before managing to get out of the ninth with the tie intact. In the top of the tenth, the offense reaped what the manager's double switch had sewn. Patterson led off the tenth and made an out, which players with sub-.300 OBP's over 4,500 career PA's are apt to do. Furcal and Jay made outs, as well. In the ninth and tenth innings, the Cardinals sent six batters to the plate and made six outs.

For the bottom of the tenth, La Russa predictably turned to the anged Octavio Dotel. This is not an altogether bad move what with the Cubs sending two consecutive right-handed hitters to the mound in Soto and Marlon Byrd, even if the left-handed Tyler Colvin loomed as the third hitter that inning. After Soto singled and Byrd advanced him to second with a sacrifice bunt, you knew that it was Dotel's game to extend or lose. Upon his acquisition, La Russa made clear that he does not care what Dotel's splits are against lefties, because of his "closness":

The manager said that he won’t be afraid to use Octavio Dotel against a left-handed hitter, despite some ugly splits for the veteran righty.

"I think when he’s close, he’s close against everybody," the skipper said.

Apparently Dotel was not "close" on Friday. Left-handed hitting Tyler Colvin promptly and perhaps predictably ended the game of the should-be righty specialist in walk-off fashion with a game-winning single that knocked in Soto from second. And while this usage of Dotel was, due to game circumstances, a bit more defensible than, say, when Dotel was allowed to face Nyjer Morgan and Prince Fielder of the Brewers, it was still an open invitation from La Russa to the Cubs for them to win the game, and that is why it is still bouncing around in my head two days later.

Friday's loss was one that bears the mark of La Russa. There are always "if's" in a baseball game and no job in the world is as easily second-guessed as that of the baseball manager. But, when the club faces such an uphill climb to playoff contention that nearly every game is of the "must-win" variety, a center field experiment that leads to an unnecssarily shortened bench hardly seems the smart play. I can't say for certain that, if La Russa had started Jay, then Patterson doesn't lead off the tenth and the non-Patterson player gets on base before eventually becoming the winning run. But I can say La Russa unnecessarily hamstrung himself in the later innings by starting Craig in center and lifting him after 4.5 innings. I also know that La Russa curiously injected himself into a Pujols PA in the eighth inning of a 4-3 game by calling for the hit-and-run. Furthermore, I also know that his willingness to allow Dotel to face lefties--even if somewhat defensible in Friday's game--threatens the team's chances of winning when the game is close.

Friday's game caused a sentiment to bubble over in me, one that has been simmering for a couple of years now. To be sure, there are the roster concerns and long-term planning issues that La Russa seems to be affecting. How much he does so, we will never know. On top of this, his in-game decisions are becoming harder to understand and rationalize. The questionable substitutions, the overuse of twenty-fifth men, the bullpen usage, the in-game reindeer games, the lack of fundamentals, and the poor in-game tactics have gnawed at me for the last couple of seasons. With the club's playoff pulse as faint as it has been all year, the "Will La Russa return in 2012?" speculation has already begun in the St. Louis media (with the welcome voice of the new media, one lboros). Due to the manager's tiresome meddling, I find myself for the first time firmly in the camp that hopes La Russa has managed his last game in St. Louis with Friday's game providing a handful of examples as to why.

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There was a Scrabble siting on Sunday night

He warmed up Berkman every inning.

Also, I’m ready for TLR to be gone. Have been for about a year.

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

If TLR doesn't run off Colby

who plays CF is moot. And if he doesn’t run off Boog, we don’t have a black hole at SS. So there are two more positions to fill in ’12.

I still think TLR’s decision is connected to Albert’s. But I don’t see Mo wanting to be the guy who let Pujols walk. So get ready for the 10yr/$280M deal.

Sorry to be so pessimistic.

by gocards62 on Aug 22, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Boog's problem was the clubhouse being overly serious

I don’t lay Boog’s departure at TLR’s feet. It was caused more likely by the super serious veterans

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Aug 22, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

we have no evidence of this, and since when do veterans do the GM's job

those veterans were the ones who instigated the socks, the facial hair, the singalongs. clubhouses over the course of a season don’t stay tight unless the guy on top keeps them tight.

Tony La Russa’s clubhouses are always overly serious. this is a function of the manager, and it is well-documented by everyone in baseball, and not a few people who are no longer in the game.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 22, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a fire burning in the outfield...

Triple
Double
Single

Smooth Home Run

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by icardinal on Aug 22, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOO SOON

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's more, if a player has a pre-existing condition

and Brendan Ryan was picked up by our own scouts, so it’s not like it was a surprise —
it’s the coaches’ and management’s job to figure out how to manage it. if it were unmanageable, surely the Mariners would find it damn near impossible, right? and yet despite their season, Ryan has remained a steady leader in their clubhouse and his ADD has stayed in check.

man, that dead horse is tasty this morning.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 22, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair though

Don’t you think Ryan’s experience in St. Louis and the ugly ending to it might have sparked a bit of a change in him? I find myself wondering if it was kind of a wake up call and served as motivation to sort out a few of his issues.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've been watching a lot of Mariners games...

and he seems pretty light hearted, mustache laden, and similar to the Brendan I remember… not to say behind the dugout isn’t a different story… idk… *biased

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by pattimagee on Aug 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hm. So maybe not?

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard an interview

with a Mariner rookie (I can’t remember who)- who specifically talked about Brendan as keeping the clubhouse lighthearted even when they were playing poorly. I don’t think he used the word leadership, but I got the feeling that’s what he was driving at.

by WyoCardsFan on Aug 22, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

there have been multiple "leadership" articles about Boog in Seattle

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

From everything I have seen and heard

the difference is Boog is playing for a manager who knows how to manage him. There were some issues early on, and Wedge set him down and talked to him. Since then, Boog has kept his quirky personality but has become a leader in the clubhouse. They adore him in Seattle.

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by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Managers managing people...

I never knew that was a real thing…

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 22, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the clubhouse being overly serious

is directly related to TLR.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last night,

Ken Rosenthal tweeted this in a dialogue with Brian Stull:

@StullySTL Last thing: Still think tone comes mainly from Tony/Albert. And it is largely grim. As for MIL, they’ve been like this a while…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

IMO the tone comes almost 100% from TLR.

I think Albert would loosen up a little with a different manager. Then again Tony is the only manager Alberts has ever had in the majors so who knows.

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

IMO the tome comes almost 100% from how well the team is doing

This board has a long, rich history of overestimating what the manager is responsible for. I’m no TLR supporter, but I honestly don’t see how he’s changed this year from years past, and I’ve never heard people claim liveliness (whatever that is) as a problem until this past week

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by YesWeOquendo on Aug 22, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?
I’ve never heard people claim liveliness (whatever that is) as a problem until this past week

Everytime the Cardinals have had a late season collapse, I’ve read critiques of Tony’s style and how he likes to keep things controlled and steady (go about your business and play a hard nine every day regardless of if it’s June or late August) to the point that there is no urgency in the latter part of the season. That critique of Tony’s teams is definitely not new to this season.

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by icardinal on Aug 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've struggled to reconcile two things

Play a hard 9/every June game counts v. the way too frequent ‘getaway day’ lineups.

There seems to be somewhat of an inconsistency in either message or in execution.

by awpierce on Aug 22, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see the inconsistency

We call them “getaway lineups” but it doesn’t mean the players are playing less “hard,” only that some different players, i.e., some reserves, are playing hard.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 22, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The idea of a "getaway" lineup

really goes against the idea that every game counts. I understand resting players and the fact that the season is long. Giving away a game every series though doesn’t make much sense.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 22, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you accept that you need to “rest” starters by replacing them with substitutes for some games, and given that getaway day is the best day for rest given the shortened rest period between games, then a getaway lineup doesn’t really “go against the idea that every game counts.”

Again, unless one thinks that the best players (i.e. starters) should start every game unless they are injured, then there will be lineups with several starters getting “rest” – ergo getaway lineups.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 22, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the spacing that is significant to me.

We should never see a lineup that’s missing Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman as long as all three are healthy.

When the power threat in the heart of the order is Yadi then there is something very wrong.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 22, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can't all 3 play

162 games. maybe you mean a lineup shoudln’t be missing all 3 of them at once? But I’m not sure we’ve had any of those.

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

There shouldn't be any getaway lineups in the last 6 weeks of a pennant race,

My opinion.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with both of the above comments

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. But I'm not aware of any lineups I would

characterize as “getaway lineups” recently. There have been games where Holliday didn’t play because of his back injury, or Furcal with his thumb injury. I think maybe Berkman got one game off when Craig hit his two home runs.

In any event, my original point was only that resting starters by starting subs on getaway day is not inconsistent with playing hard every game – subs play hard too.

This team isn’t 8.5 games back, IMO, because they’re not “playing hard” or because TLR doesn’t have them “ready to play.”

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 22, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

They don’t look like they’re playing hard at all to me. It really looks like they’re mailing in the rest of the season and it’s pretty blatantly obvious most games.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 22, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, well we'll disagree

I think the most common fallacy people make is substituting “playing hard” for “winning as much as a fan wants.”. The team just isn’t that great; it has nothing to do with playing hard.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getaway lineups

August 10th was the last one I can come up with. The overwhelming amount of Corey Patterson lately makes me think of just about every day as a getaway lineup though.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 22, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

absitively

why does everyone need to be out at the same time?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 22, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there is enough to pile on to Tony

Without making unsubstantiated claims about how the tone of his clubhouse affects performance.

Much more likely to affect performance is his predilection towards giving shitty players more playing time then superior players, and running valuable assets out of town.

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you but

I do believe that Tonys serious tone wears down players mentally by the end of the year.

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 22, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

As Y2S said, we have no evidence of this.,

I even know, from the guys at the Mariners blog, that Boog has even taken a role as a veteran in Seattle and players and coaches love them there for this. So, I have my doubts.

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by Paulspike on Aug 22, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mo/DeWitt are to blame if this goes on in 2012

Its unfortunate that the question seems to be “will TLR return?” instead of “Will the Cardinals invite TLR back?”

by redbirds34 on Aug 22, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

It always feels that way, doesn't it?

That is, it definitely feels like it’s La Russa’s decision, and the team will never ask him to leave. I can’t understand what he could do to actually get himself fired at this point, if not this year. The team made a big deal of the new direction they were taking after the 2007 season. Better farm system, more investing in that cost-controlled talent, trying to lay the foundation to keep competing instead of relying on mortgage deals to get expensive veterans. And it seems lately like Tony’s preferences have been cutting into that philosophy more and more. I am being a bit unfair and simplifying matters greatly. But I’m mostly talking about how this team “feels” right now. It’s Tony’s team. And it sucks. If this year’s events don’t cause the team to politely ask him to consider not coming back, nothing will. He will leave when he decides it’s time.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be sure, I am not saying that Tony La Russa is the number one reason we aren't winning the division

Losing Adam Wainwright and the down year for Pujols have a heck of a lot to do with it. Other injuries have been a factor. But it really doesn’t seem like he’s making the most of what he’s given anymore, which is especially frustrating because he seems to have so much power in determining what he is given.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has the down year from Pujols hurt them?

If Berk had Albert’s numbers and Albert had Berkman’s we’d all be pleased.

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by spants on Aug 22, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I don't see the reason to do that kind of either/or comparison

Berk having the year he’s had doesn’t have much to do with Albert’s struggles. Also, if Berkman hadn’t hit as well as he has this year I don’t think he’d be getting quite so much playing time, and that complicates the envelope math even further.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was way too satisfied to see that. I've been waiting for this day for awhile.

I have to admit, part of me was worried it would never come.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactamente

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 22, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony is by far the worst player on this team

Luck doesn’t count as a player.

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 22, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i seem to remember reading that larussa has an open invitation back for as long as he wants to manage

interesting how we’re the only organization that doesn’t tie the manager position to performance

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by d-dee on Aug 22, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Tony is one of few tenured managers in baseball.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

the worst part of that game for me was

not the fact i drove 5 hours to go see it but that as soon as i saw lance berkman pulled i thought this was going to go sour and then promptly motte was lifted for none other than rhodes i knew this was going to be a walkoff and i’ll have to listen to that horrible cubs song again. it is sad that it’s to the point where you can pretty much always foresee the negative outcome of the game by the same illogical pattern of the moves that are being made. it’s like larussa is spoiling it by overdoing it. and always the same blatantly obvious way. i was never a fan of the larussa parade of relievers in the late innings

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by d-dee on Aug 22, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

You desscribed

my feelings exactly Dee as I was watching that game. I can say that I “felt your pain”

by ridgesee on Aug 22, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aw heck,

I.m just going to go ahead and say it. I have never really been a big La Russa fan and now I have developed a strong dislike for him.

by ridgesee on Aug 22, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

i will admit that i liked larussa a lot in the late nineties and into the 2000s. (maybe because we were winning, maybe because i knew less about baseball)

and i defended him even in 2007. but i ended it there. and every year since then, my disdain grows. i will pop a cork when he finally moves on.

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Circumstances change, and smart people change with them

But with LaRussa, the world of baseball has changed, and he has not. Just because you run relievers in like a Chinese fire drill, bat the pitcher eighth and turn outfielders into second basemen and infielders into outfielders doesn’t make you a genius.

But it does make you interesting to the media.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samesies

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FIRE TONY LA RUSSA

by jd is legend on Aug 22, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have less problem if tony could recognize

A good reliever from a merely “veteran” one and could use platoon splits properly. Fine, use 5 relievers, but use them right.

"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett

by tom s. on Aug 22, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This goes for position players too

Though his bullpen mgmt (inc composition) this year has been truly dreadful.

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by indakind on Aug 22, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Serious question

How many managers in the league have a .526 win percentage over the 2007-2011 seasons?

by stlfan on Aug 22, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given Dotel's numbers against lefties

I also wonder who was on deck, since first base was open. (I know Colvin has been horrible this year, but then so has Dotel against lefties.) I can’t remember who was on deck and wasn’t watching at that point. I turned the game off after K-Mac gave up the game-tying double, figuring that the Cards would find a way to lose. But, bgh, I certainly enjoy you bringing back the fond memories (actually, I thought your post was very good and sums up many of my thoughts).

by CRay on Aug 22, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

IIRC...

as I was listening to the game in the car. Shannon and Rooney both expected the IBB, or at least the “unintentional IBB”. They were both pretty surprised that we went after Colvin.

Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!

by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Anybody grab a touchpad?

I managed to get one from B&N this morning before they sold out. I fully intend on putting Android on it later this year when the team that’s working on it releases it, not to mention it’ll be the cheapest Android Ice Cream Sandwich tablet when someone ports it.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 22, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm waiting for the Eee Pad Transformer w/Kal El

that should be out in December. Just using my wife’s iPad and my smartphone until then…

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, also a good choice

I’m rocking a Xoom, but I’ll probably hold off on a new tablet, as I want to buy the next Nexus phone.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 22, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm happy with my EVO, not planning on upgrading anytime soon

How do you like your Xoom? I’ve heard good and bad with that, and pretty much all good and no bad on the first Transformer.

I’ve just been looking at the benchmarking for the Kal-El chip, and it’s just ridiculous how awesome that chip is going to be.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I had the spare scratch right now.

Stupid diapers.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Aug 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I sold a few things just to have the extra money

At 100 bucks it’s too good to pass up, and I knew that someone would port Android to it. The only downer is that because the tablet OS of Android isn’t open-sourced the group has to work with gingerbread and then move to the next tablet release.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 22, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

they do tend to eat up the budget, don't they?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cloth diapers = huge $$$ savings

If you can handle cleaning up poop and don’t mind doing an extra load of laundry every week.

We’ve been very happy with ours and have spent less overall (since many were gifted to us in showers and as presents after the baby was born) than we would have in just the first three months of disposables.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Total cloth diaper cost so far:

$120. That includes the extra water, detergent, and electricity for drying time.

Not to mention, we now have all the diapers we need for kid #2.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

My best friend is doing cloth diapers...

sounds like the future to me!

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by pattimagee on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

we did cloth with our oldest

but got sick of the poop. Switched back to disposable with the 2nd kid.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Aug 22, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

or you could just get them thru Amazon and save a trip

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amazon prime membership

Free next day delivery and you’re probably not paying taxes

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Aug 22, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's a Mom's group, or something like that

that is the same thing.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cost via Costco works out better

And you’re assuming brand name diapers.

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've used other 'cheaper' brands

and they don’t always work so well.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

but in this particular case, the Kirklands seemed to be exactly the same diaper.

Note: I’m going on year old data; our youngest doesn’t use ’em any more.

I wonder if spants has figured out how useful baby wipes are yet. We use ’em to clean everything now.

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right on the wipes. They're a fabulous thing to have.

We were going to go with a combo of cloths at home and disposables for trips, until we saw that Pampers soak up everything thrown at them. To use the old Johnny Bench Krylon paint commercial: No runs, no drips, no errors. Not sure what they put in them, but they shoulda used it in the Gulf during that oil spill.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have one of those.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Aug 22, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you ever check slickdeals.net? i see deal for diapers on there all the time. i have no idea if they are good deals or not, but might be worth a look.

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is sizing

You can’t stock up big time on a particular size ‘cause you’ll get stuck with them as your kid grows.

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you should just let her go in the neighbors yard

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 22, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This has been a disappointing season.

Although, I don’t know if my expectations were fair after Waino went down. Losing one of the more valuable top pieces in a top-heavy roster is sure to be problematic.

I’m not sure of the biggest problem of the past 2 years… “chemistry”, TLR (I think he gets too much credit for wins/losses & roster decisions), injuries, clumsy roster construction (my vote), whatever. I know it has been frustrating. I think that the most frustrating part has been the fact that we’ve been second. Each year we’ve been close, but the Reds played over their heads and the Brewers have a more talented roster. The Cardinals have steadily been not-quite-good-enough.

I’m bummed that we’ve wasted great seasons from our MV3-Lite (especially Puma, my mancrush on Puma even wierds me out).

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

oh 2 things I forgot.

1) that picture of Tony is utterly terrifying. I will have nightmares about what he has planned for that bat.
2) Bernie has some thoughts.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

that picture of Tony is utterly terrifying. I will have nightmares about what he has planned for that bat.

Now that you mention it, I will too.

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by hr on Aug 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the face Tony makes

when mentally undressing someone with his eyes.

"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte

by GasHouseMang on Aug 22, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

This will wake me up in a cold sweat tonight.

“Hello Sheckie. I see that you just adopted a dog. Mmmmm, let me show you just how proud I am. I hope you like bats big boy.”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I was still sleeping

and having a nightmare

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 22, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Bernie

I actually didn’t have much of a problem with that article, but then he throws that bullshit sarcastic line in at the end:

• When in doubt, blame it on the media: It’s always our fault.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/article_8b383c63-f576-545c-abce-67fd3c226666.html#ixzz1VmERI6Sx

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're a media member

you better have big shoulders and be able to take criticism.

Otherwise, maybe you should find a different career field where your opinions aren’t a matter of public record.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 22, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see the real problem with that line

it’s obviously just a joke at the end of a list of a lot of bad news. It’s not like that one line completely discredits everything before it.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Aug 22, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying it invalidates the article or anything

But I"m really confused by it. Who is blaming the media for the performance of the Cardinals? Is this a jab at someone? It just comes across as whiny to me.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's quite simply just a joke.

there’s no underlying meaning to it.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then I don't get the joke

I realize this is entirely my own interpretation of the article and I’m fine with that. But the joke makes no sense in this context. If he wanted to make a little joke at the end of an otherwise gloomy article to lighten it up a bit, that is fine. He should have said something like “blame the Gods of Baseball” or “blame the umps” or “blame Bud Selig” because everything is there fault. Or he could have used Congress or the Devil or the Yankees.
But he uses the media, of which he is a member. I just don’t get how that is funny or makes any sense. It still seems strange to me, so I consider it either whiny or just an attempt at humor that doesn’t work.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think what he is saying is that it is fact NOT the media

in a weird unstated double negative sort of way

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 22, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's in response to this comment from Albert
“Sometimes, it’s easier to write a story than it is to go out there and hit a baseball,” Pujols said. "Most (critics) probably never even played the game. They probably never threw a baseball before. But that’s the way it is. It doesn’t bother me.

“Everybody has their own opinion.”

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by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's frustrating as a player

when people start making up reasons why you aren’t preforming. Contributing it to health issues, or contract issues.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 22, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is why it's just as easy to blame it on the media.

even though it’s completely unwarranted.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno

If I was a player who was having a hard time, and everyone kept writing stories about why I was struggling, and I thought they were completely off base. I might take a few shots at them. Even though I really shouldn’t, because that’s the nature of the beast.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i more or less agree.

regardless, it’s not the media’s fault a player was in a slump in the first place. and it’s there job to ask about said slump, just like it’s the player’s job to work out of said slump.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except he doesn't take a shot at them for being wrong

or off base. He takes a shot at them because they aren’t baseball players.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Aug 22, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry...

but you are just flat out reading too much into it if you honestly think any of that is true.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

like, you can say it was a non-funny/bad joke.

but that doesn’t mean it means anything other than it was intending—a joke.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just like, your opinion man

I think I did that right.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

well
Each year we’ve been close, but the Reds played over their heads and the Brewers have a more talented roster. The Cardinals have steadily been not-quite-good-enough.

I think it’s fair to say the Brewers are also playing over their heads. Both pythag and fWAR bear that out- they have now won 7 games more than their pythag, and have been worth 39.2 fWAR as a team, compared to our 37.5- so they should really ahead of us in the standings by about 2 games, not 9.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Aug 22, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

the brewers aren't this good.

when randy wolf, marco estrada, and chris narveson are winning games for you, well, there’s not much that can be done.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

the cardinals are 12-12 in their last 24.

and have lost 9 games in the standings. i realize .500 isn’t good baseball, but even if the brewers would have just played .667 the cardinals would only be four out.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Narveson has pitched well.

3.77 FIP, .376 xFIP, and 4.49 ERA. He deserves better than what he’s allowed.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 22, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

true.

and their home record is ridiculous.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the Figglesticks

happened to “play a hard nine”?

Okay I got that off my chest. (I know deep thoughts this morning.)

I’m trying to figure out my playoff team I’m going to follow. Right now I’m interested in the D’Backs (Gibson is doing a terrific job out there.) or the AL Central team that makes it. (I’m just really glad Verlander wasn’t this Verlander in 06!)

by OKCardsfan on Aug 22, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

"Play a Hard Nine"

always seemed like a baseball-themed porno title to me.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

dbacks are the underdogs of the entire majors

they have my vote, and probably would even if i didn’t live here. kind of like the rockies when they went on that tear a few years ago. also: gibby = awesome.

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

my co-workers must be worried about me.

I just screamed and starting crying.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm glad this went green.

as soon as i get to my laptop, this will become the background. it will really scare my girlfriend.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I try not to even entertain thoughts of TLR leaving

He’s close to 2nd place in wins. He’s hanging around unless a better deal comes around and/or Pujols leaves. He may say these things don’t matter to him, but I believe they do. I believe he’ll be back, as he always is, because I believe almost every move made in the last year (good and bad) has his fingerprints on it. A lame duck manager doesn’t have that kind of pull.

He’s going to do that sham of a survey across the clubhouse, something even Castro would have been ashamed to attempt. Who in that clubhouse is in a secure enough position to speak up? So TLR will hear crickets, and use that as support that the clubhouse is fully behind him, and we’ll be having these same conversations 365 days from now.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 22, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you.

It’s pretty depressing.

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 22, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

get used to it

he is a power monger control freak
and he can’t feed that in any role as well as an mlb manager
so he is going to around for a while

tears….

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 22, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

366 days

next year is a leap year.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Aug 22, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously though

This is potentially one of those MO saves his ass moves and fires Tony wins be damned. I’m sorry but that is a personal achievement within a team game that has nothing to do with winning the central or a playoff game. If the team isn’t winning like it should, then that needs to be examined in the Post-season.

by OKCardsfan on Aug 22, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's just it

I doubt Mo has that pull. If he did, the thing 99 out of 100 GM’s would have done with the Rasmus situation is tell the manager they have to suck it up until he gets a return he is happy with. Look at what we did with SS, look at Rasmus, even look at Rhodes. Look anywhere with this club, and tell me who has Dewitt’s ear?

I’m not absolving Mo here, but I’m guessing if you flowcharted the decision making process of the Cardinals you’d probably get an idea of why they seem rudderless in terms of a cohesive long term plan. I think it more likely that Mo leaves than TLR. I’d be fine with a complete overhaul personally, but I don’t see it.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 22, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mo was happy with the return he got on the Rasmus trade.

to say otherwise seems overly-speculative.

I’m not denying TLR probably has an inordinate amount of power in the organization, but there is the possibility that Mo just isn’t that great of GM, or that he is in the same camp as TLR. Why do we all assume that it’s TLR v. Mo?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy given the constraints maybe

Again, I don’t want to absolve Mo. He obviously, at the minimum, is too much of a beta for this situation. Either that, or he too has a weak spot for vets – even though he was brought into the role to build from within. I’m going with him losing a power struggle, perhaps without much of a struggle. Do note that I said I view it as more likely that Mo leaves than Tony.

Whatever the case, I will be stunned if Mo has the pull to sack TLR unilaterally. That decision ultimately comes from Dewitt, and if Mo has a role in the decision then it’s putting together a sales pitch to Dewitt.

You can go back another year to Suppan, Miles, Winn, Feliz – TLR fingerprints are all over the makeup of the roster, and I don’t see how that continues to happen to the extent it has, without him continuing to be extremely influential with Dewitt.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 22, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes those moves may seem TLR-esque

but I think they also seem Mo-esque. We assume that Mo makes these trades & signings begrudgingly, or disagrees with them, or something. I don’t understand why.

Either that, or he too has a weak spot for vets – even though he was brought into the role to build from within

Unfortunately, I think this may be the case.

It seems just as likely that Mo thinks we need to trade Colby and thinks that Edwin Jackson, Scrabble and garbage is a fair deal. Or that he sees we need a defensive 3B and thinks that Pedro Feliz is the right fit. That Suppan is the type of veteran-presence our rotation needs, Miles can repeat his semi-decent 2008, or whatever. TLR may be pushing certain players, but I don’t see how it can be assumed that he is receiving any resistance from Mo.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about we toss both of them out on their asses and start over?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would be ok with this.

I don’t have much faith in Mo, even though he has made some good moves.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

at one time

i was of the ’let’s see what he can do without tony around’ camp. now i don’t give a damn, just clear the boards and start over. we may hate their successors just as much, but at least it would be different.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

welcome aboard
but I think they also seem Mo-esque. We assume that Mo makes these trades & signings begrudgingly, or disagrees with them, or something. I don’t understand why.

We have monthly meetings with free punch.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 22, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

we usually agree with this. (i remember the Boog trade)

we’re also usually in the minority.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if you have BDJ saying

I just increased payroll by 15 mil and have nothing to show for it. What’s the problem? Your ass is on the line. Shit rolls down hill so to CYA MO goes for TLR. That buys MO another year to right the ship or whatever and buys him more time. The Cardinals are a business and you make more money playing in October.

by OKCardsfan on Aug 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Schumaker's Defense

In the unicorn article on Schumaker’s unclear status, there’s this blurb regarding his defense at second base from La Russa:

“His hands are getting softer. His whole rhythm, catching the ball and throwing it to first, has made significant progress,” manager La Russa said.

And this assessment from Oquendo:

“I would call him an average second baseman right now. He makes the plays you expect will be made,” offered third-base and infield coach Jose Oquendo. “He’s become reliable that way. The next step is for him to make the tougher plays, to take hits away from people. When you play at this level, that’s what you want to see. That’s his next step.”

Schumaker’s UZR is -3.7 at second base this season over the span of just 555 innings.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 22, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Gee

It sure is good to know that we are OK giving Skip Schumaker two frickin’ years to be terrible at playing second base so he can improve to the point where he’s not actually average but we pretend he is.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant two plus years

Since he’s nominally been our starting second baseman since 2009

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so too

But those quotes don’t encourage me. It sounds like they like his progress and are looking forward to more improvement.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot especially.

He needs to be gone. He only provides negative value to this team.

I have a soft spot for Skip. I don’t know why, but I do. He makes too much money and he’s a defensive liability. But, he can play a couple of positions (admittedly, not very well) and his offense is alright. I wouldn’t mind him being a 25th man (spot starter at COF, 2B platoon buddy). I also realize that we have other players who could fill that role in a more capable manner. My girlfriend has a big ol’ crush on him, which allows me to watch more games while avoiding her disapproving grumbles.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The collective soft spot for Skip is the problem

I have the soft spot too. I’ve had to work pretty hard to overcome that. The team should do the same.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we used him solely as a 4th/5th OF bench player

i would be okay with that. you could have worse bench players. but as long as he’s on this team, he won’t be used that way, which is the real problem.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

2B platoon...

with who?
Descalso should be our starting 2B next year, or at least the heavy half of a platoon. Skip is obviously not a platoon fit for Descalso. I still LOVE the idea of Greene and his 337/419/611 line at Memphis as our utility infielder/light half of a 2B platoon next year. I’d say Theriot makes more sense than Skip at this point, though I don’t want either guy back.

Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!

by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

We love the Greene idea to

but tell us what his major league line is going to be.

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better than Theriot's...

I’d wager with better Defense to boot…oh and a couple million cheaper. AAAA players don’t put up 1.030 OPSs over a 2/3s of a season at AAA.

Given the opportunity Descalso’s been given I’d expect a similar line from Greene. A similar OBP with a bit more SLG.

When do pitchers and catchers report?

by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAAA do that all the time

Brandon Wood?

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by mysterui on Aug 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the time...?

We were jonesing forever for Brandon Wood. If I’m not mistaken he is also currently on a 25 man roster.

When do pitchers and catchers report?

by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know what a AAAA player is

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by mysterui on Aug 22, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

"A quadruple-A player"

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by mysterui on Aug 22, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

"A Nick Stavinoha"

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by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to go back and see what kind of pitchers Stav was hitting dingers off of

like I did for Adams, then I was like “fuck it, it’s Nick fucking Stavinoha” and just watched TV instead.

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wise move

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by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

what does this even mean?

bad pitchers are more likely to give up HRs? i’m sure it means something, but i’m missing it without any context

by prophetjohn on Aug 22, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't mean much

he’s hitting who he should be hitting.

If the line was like 8.92/2.15/7.9 then there would be concern, but everything checks out.

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd probably have hit 50 homers

if he could hit against Springfield’s staff.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 22, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

he hits dingers off pitchers with 600 saves!

on one knee!!!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no evidence that AAAA players don't actually exist

And there is certainly no evidence that Greene is a AAAA player.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 23, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given the opportunity?

I think Fangraphs has 1 at 357 player attempts, the other at 361.

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't even think about next year without getting depressed about Rasmus.

The little value that trade had was attached to making us a better team this year. Now that it looks like we will not be playing in October even that small value is gone. What an awful awful trade. Sorry to beat a dead horse but fuck fuck shit fuck.

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by hittmeier on Aug 22, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

Scrabble is the only part of the deal that matters after this year, and it’s completely up in the air what role he’s going to have going forward. So who knows what kind of value we are actually going to get out of him.

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by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

He hasn’t been worth much to us this year. Apparently TLR thinks Rhodes is better.

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by hittmeier on Aug 22, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

sandwich picks?

we’re actually getting picks out of this?

by mattyfrommo on Aug 22, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is E-Jax a B?

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by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

He’s going to get a three-year deal, I bet.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 22, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

just not with us, please

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take him back, actually

and let either Lohse or Westbrook complete their career arc of “insanely overpaid sixth starter/swingman.”

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It might be a four-year deal, too.

I bet it’s Lohse-esque in AAV.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 22, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it comes down to Jackson v. Carp, which would you rather have?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, me too

I’m afraid that is what it will come down to. Either Jackson or Carp are re-signed.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

if is?

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

In less than 32 innings....

Jackson has about the same pitching runs below average as Jake Westbrook has in 150 innings. WIN NOW!

I’m not predicting this for Jackson going forward of course, and the numbers here are skewed by that one start where TLR left him out there to get shelled by Milwaukee (but then again, it was his fault he was getting shelled), but our little Jackson experiment has been pretty crappy.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 22, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp

No question — shorter contract, better pitcher. What’s not to like?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did the Tigers get for Cameron Maybin?

Rasmus and Maybin were pretty similar in potential talent and attitude, weren’t they? Only Rasmus had more major-league experience.

The Tigers had Dave Dombrowski as their GM. The Cardinals had a grown-up Harry Potter.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cabrera and Willis

but they gave up top arm Andrew Miller too.

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by CodyG on Aug 22, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

he turned out well…many the LH pitchers in that deal kind of suck

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

bgh

your last paragraph sums up my feelings pretty well. I’d actually love to see TLR dismissed right now to see if it would spark a fire under his team and maybe make a little run to put some pressure on the Brewers. Either that or continue to wilt.

And to those who say Albert and Tony is a package deal, I say so long to Albert if he thinks he is so much bigger than the team that he is able to influence the managerial decision.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Managing for the 19th inning

I have absolutely no evidence to back this up, but it seems that in extra-inning games Tony manages his bullpen to make sure he has an arm left in the 19th inning. Predictably, these games never make it that far. Doesn’t it always end on a bad match-up with a man in scoring position or an already shaky reliever entering his second inning of work? Isn’t there always a competent alternative sitting in the bullpen when this happens? We are terrible in extra-inning games, and I wonder if it’s a matter of overly-cautious bullpen management.

by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

That Mets game from April 2010

is an example of how his mixing and matching and double switching bit him in the ass — having the pitcher’s spot repeatedly bat behind Albert for how many innings?

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i said this yesterday and have before

tlr plays em all as if they were all equally good
late innings we end up with our 25th best players out there and all because of the incessant double and defensive switching
other teams don;t do this, so it ends with our best nine half on the bench against their not worst guys
and we lose

i disagree that managing has no real impact on the game because in-game roster management is hugely important

cpat does not equal bman, ever

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

See sig

Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA

by jd is legend on Aug 22, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   5 recs

TLR will never be fired, seems like he gets to dictate his comings and goings

So, maybe you should change your sig to “KINDLY ASK TONY LA RUSSA IF HE WOULDN’T MIND NOT BEING OUR MANAGER TOO MUCH”

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Aug 22, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

are we sure he's not a zombie?

I mean, with the eye, he really LOOKED like a zombie

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by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, it seems like the last few games I've seen TV

the cameras shy away from showing him walking. Think he’s dragging one of his feet?

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard he keeps some weird ring in his back pocket at all times

And if you watch him closely you can see him occasionally brush it with his fingers and mutter something to himself.

Weird.

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by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually he keeps it on a chain around his neck

it’s shaped like a heart though

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by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another weird thing

I heard he’s been doing a lot of email interviews with BJ Rains lately. Isn’t his email address BRains AT foxsportsmidwest. DOT com?

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Aug 22, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

Whoaaaa

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by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

subtle

had to read it twice

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Aug 22, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

mo: hey, tony! one more thing.

Tlr: the meetings not over yet? I thought we resolved the willie bloomquist trade issue?

Mo: yeah, it’s actually the budget. Umm . . . Sit down and close the door.

Tlr: what now?

Mo: I was going over our numbers, and every month we’re sending $25,000 to a company in hackensack, nj. I called them up, and they told me our shipment of “unicorn blood” would be there by September 3. Now, I don’t know what unicorn blood is slang for, but I don’t want this club mixed up in any of this PED nonsense.

Tony stares at Mo.

Mo: is that clear? I mean, I’m sure you’re being very careful, and none of this “unicorn blood” shows up on tests, but still . . .

Tlr: if you value your life, you will forget you ever made that call and that we had this conversation.

Tony gets up and stalks out angrily.

Mo: whoa, you don’t need (door slams) . . . To threaten me. . . . (To himself) I hate this job.

"the less I think of it, the more certain I am." beckett

by tom s. on Aug 22, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

that's what his comfort scarf is for...

protection.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

For everyone afraid of LaRussa being manager forever,

In my MVP 05 Owner mode I am in year 2027 and TLR is still the manager, but that is because he has great bonuses for the players and managers don’t have ages in the game.

FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK

by Notorious PSC on Aug 22, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

TLR may or may not have an "age"

he looks pretty similar to circa 1987 TLR.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would be awesome if the Twins signed Fielder

Looking at their salary construction, it seems they could sign him to a mega deal without having to significantly raise payroll due to the money coming off the books. They stick him at first for 2-3 years (morneau to DH for the time being; he’s just so unreliable), then move him to DH once Mauer can’t catch anymore. I would pay to watch that team

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

They need the DH spot to keep mauer in the lineup for 150 games

They would have to consider moving Morneau to another position to make it realistic.

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by CodyG on Aug 22, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't think Mauer can play 140 games at catcher for the next 2-3 years?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

I expect 100-120, but not much more than that.

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by CodyG on Aug 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, Morneau can't play more than 80 games a year, so maybe it will sort itself out

It would still be awesome to see those three lefties in the lineup

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean yeah, but the twins will approach it like we do with David Freese

we’re not going to sign Adrian Beltre for example because of internal options and a possibility that Freese remains healthy.
/internal options being cuddeyer and kubel

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by CodyG on Aug 22, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

arent they both FA

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe?

not sure

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by CodyG on Aug 22, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though it could only be bad for the Cards...

I’d kinda like to see the Pirates sign Fielder.

Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!

by cardzfanbub on Aug 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

The Cubs are so gonna hire Andrew Friedman

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

its frightening

we need to make a pre-emptive strike…fire Mo and hire Friedman

DO IT DEWITT!!

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

After all, this organization could have been bold and gone with Ryne Sandberg in the dugout rather than the cautious choice of Quade. I’m not sure if they want to be as progressive as to put someone as young as Friedman in the GM’s office, even if he’s got a great track record.

I’m reminded when Andy McPhail took the GM job for the Cubs after he built the Twins, he was regarded as the best young executive in the game. And yet he didn’t bring a National League pennant there.

There’s something about the desperation to end the century of frustration that shatters all those hopes of every new guy they bring in.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 22, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quade

I believe they went with Quade over Sandberg because of how bad their roster was going to be over the next couple of seasons. I honestly believe their plan is to have Quade coach for the duration of the bad contracts and then start over, perhaps with Sandberg as manager.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 22, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think that they think that Quade is a better manager.

And I think that they’re probably right.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

supposedly they are not a package deal

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that Duncan's quote?

With La Russa essentially saying something like, “I want to manage wherever Dave is the pitching coach”.

by bailorg on Aug 22, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gosh

I wonder why?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i remember that

and i think that tony la russa stays with the team for reasons not related to david duncadunc

by prophetjohn on Aug 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of Dunc

any new news on his family emergency?

/pre-emptive Seatte/BigZ strike

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by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Duncan is away from the team due to a family emergency

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

MatthewHLeach: Cards announce Dave Duncan will be away from club to be with his wife, who underwent “major surgery,” for an indeterminate amount of time.

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you

“major surgery” is pretty non-specific. Could be one of a hundred things. Hope everything works out well for them.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Testing and rehabilitation

sounds like heart bypass surgery to me.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

"testing and rehabilitation"

still pretty vague, as it should be.

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by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be heart, hip, or anything in between

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 22, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it was a guess

Hip doesn’t usually require testing, just monitoring, My mother had both hips done (separately).

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Did I hear correctly,

that our fleet footed SS tripped on a rope and sprained his thumb?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 22, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

STLToday said he tripped on a Wrigley step near the batting cages.

But, yes, he has a thumb.

Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.

by Lambtron on Aug 22, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

FESPN is reporting it was a rope near the cages.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 22, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know the curse of the billy goat applied to visiting teams.

ZOINKS.

Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.

by Lambtron on Aug 22, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rafael Derpcal

This goofy picture seems fitting.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goold's take on the season

Is as usual spot on and doesn’t pull punches. He says in part:

There have been curious decisions made when it comes to when and how a pitcher is used. There have been ineffective stretches by the pitchers themselves. There has been constant renovation of the bullpen by adding players via trade, free agency or from Class AAA. And, yes, there have been innings prolonged by faulty defense.

Also lboros weighs in with his typical excellent viewpoint explaining that the Cards were less than the sum of their parts.

I like how Larry and Goold both refrain from blaming the season on the loss of Wainwright. As much as that loss hurt, this team still could have been better.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 22, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

LaRussa is not a good manager anymore

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 22, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was thinking the same thing

And what does this part even mean?

Now this opinion will be embraced by the club and, of course, local media poachers as dogma.

What’s a local media poacher? Is this Strauss implying, “Now Buster Only or whatever is gonna point out that it was all because of the Wainwright injury. But it was me who said it first…in February!”

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Aug 22, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think when he says "poachers"

he is referring to talk radio and bloggers

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 22, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He means anyone who comes up with anything he thought of first.

Which further means anythings he says it means.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you got it

Of course, the club better not embrace that narrative too closely – that the Wainwright injury was just too much to overcome. Not since they just traded a cost controlled asset for 2 months of Jackson, Dotel, and Patterson a few weeks ago.

You can’t say that we never had a great chance without Wainwright on one hand, and then don’t blame us for being aggressive this year on the other.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 22, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if he didn't, we we believe that Joe Strauss wrote that?

No, we’d think it was some Strauss imposter or his mother or something.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The beat writer is as incapable of introspection

As the manager he covers. They’re perfect for each other!

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 22, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The comparison to the 1980 team is striking.

Go look at the B-Ref page for that club….

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does that mean

Albert Pujols is Ted Simmons?

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 22, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strauss is such an ass
This rotation never got on an innings roll, which in turn highlighted obvious deficiencies in relief. Of course, media who suggested as much in March were classified as "negative."

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is wrong with that guy

he cannot get over himself

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Dan!

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

God no

Nothing is worth ten more years of TLR.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hyperbole aside

I wouldn’t want one more year of TLR. Not even for Joe Strauss.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

flagged.

and dan is vin scully in relation to another rick/al game.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

word. i have no issues with dan

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

During times like this

He’s very good at conveying his extreme frustration with the team, but doing it without saying anything that will get him in trouble. I missed Dan this last week.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 22, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR should tell the team he will retire the day after he wins enough games to take second place all-time.

24 players would start playing bonkers to get him there. We’d win at a 90% clip. Only Albert will weep when he’s gone.

Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.

by Lambtron on Aug 22, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

DO IT, VEB

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

you know...

i’m a little sick of having everything come out for GD apple before it comes out for android. the user numbers have got to be pretty similar now, no?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

your life is very difficult.

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

right. this is still VEB.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

Especially when all I hear from developers is how much easier Android is to develop for….

Android has many, many more activations than iOS. It’s not close. On the tablet side, however, it’s got a ways to go. So developers are going to develop media rich content for iPhone and iPad first, then Android later.

I continue to hope that the next-gen Nvidia processors, Ice Cream Sandwich, and their respective tablets put a considerable dent in the iPad market share.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sucky thing is...

i don’t give a damn about tablets. i don’t have one, i don’t want one, and i wouldn’t use one. i still don’t think they serve much of a purpose. i know i’m in the minority, but the tablet thing annoys me.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a big fan of tablets

My wife has an iPad, and I use it quite a bit for reading blogs and online zines and newspapers, as well as watching streaming video.

It’s not for everyone, that’s for sure. But if you use the internet for lots of content access, it’s a lot better than lugging a laptop around and reading on a laptop screen.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i kind of want a tablet PC.

but only because my laptop is going to shit and turning into a desktop a little more everyday.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eee Pad Transformer

If you get the docking kit with it, you basically have a tablet that turns into a laptop whenever you need a physical keyboard…

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

For home use, we really don’t need much more than a tablet. The kids love it and it is great for traveling.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 22, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree, tablets are almost always totally silly

At least outside of practical workplace uses (restaurants, hospitals, etc.).

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this.

when my cable/internet was setup the other day he used some sort of tablet. it was very convenient.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tablets are very nice for consuming content.

They’re terrible for creating content.

I like mine, but I don’t expect it to replace my desktop, laptop, or phone. It’s a different animal.

Colby in TOR: .224/.247/.412 3HR 21K/3BB 8/21

by The Continental on Aug 22, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

this too.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought the same thing until I bought one.

Now I’ve haven’t touched my laptop in 6 weeks.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 22, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's because Apple is a monolithic user environment.

Andriod is not.

The benefits of owning ALL aspects of your product.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Aug 22, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also happens to be a real negative

once the competition gets up to scale.

See General Motors v. Toyota circa 1975-2005.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno. Apple is like the Jaguar/BMW of consumer electronics.

I just bought an ipod the other day. Why? Because I wanted an iPod, not just any mp3 player. There’s a contingent of people that want iPhones rather than any smart phone or Oakley’s rather than any kind of sunglasses.

Consumers are paying as much for the brand as the product at this point. I don’t think it’s a GM v. Toyota comparison.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Aug 22, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true, but only up to a point

As in, Macs were very popular when they first came out, then Windows 95 hit and people decided that they didn’t need to spend $2000 to get a decent home PC. They could spend $900 on one.

Apple has learned from this, but they still expect to get premium pricing for their products when there really isn’t a discernible difference between their products and other ones on the market. They are differentiated by brand, not by quality, I agree. I’m just not really sure that this will continue.

The reason you buy in iPod is because nobody, NOBODY has improved upon the original iPod interface. The iPod is probably the greatest piece of industrial design in terms of simplicity and usability that I can think of in the last 25 years, and possibly longer than that. Still, I think the reason for this is that others simply were concerned more with profiting off the device, while Apple was building a device to get people hooked on the SERVICE, which is iTunes.

People pay a premium for their laptops and iMacs, but Apple could not survive on those products alone. That would make me wary of their future prospects if they ever cease to out-innovate the rest of the consumer electronics sector.

You could also make the argument that Apple’s brand is only as good as Steve Jobs’ health, and I think there’s some merit to that argument.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 23, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ew. Jaguar?

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Aug 23, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apple's big success

is iTunes. Not the iPad, or the iPhone, or the iPod. iTunes. They legitimized the online distribution of music in a way Napster could not. The other genius thing is making the iPad a different screen size than other tablets — now anyone that optimizes their content for iPad will make it look silly on a Xoom or any other tablet.

That’s NOT good for content providers. It is good for Apple. Which is part of the reason content providers are struggling right now.

What’s more, I don’t understand why SBNation would not be launching both iOS and Android simultaneously. People aren’t finding SBNation via the mobile app, they are finding SBNation and then getting the mobile app. The website is the portal not the application, the app will just be another way to serve ads to people and create more revenue streams for SBNation.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a developer, but my understanding is that developers tend to build on iOS first because

- The ROI is typically better.
- iOS supposedly handles UI/UX stuff better (it’s more restrictive, but easier within those bounds is my understanding — in other words, the possibilities are wider with Android, but you have to build more from scratch.)
- iOS devices are uniform — iPhone and iPad, and that’s it. With Android you have to build for lots of different devices. Makes QA more difficult for Android apps.

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, also

Apple’s stricter guidelines and review policy for the App Store lend a sense of legitimacy to your app if it makes it in. Android apps basically aren’t reviewed for quality or speed, so it can make more sense to get your app into the App Store to build its reputation and then port to Android with that reputation of quality that the App Store provides.

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is all true if you're trying to push out an application to the masses

who will discover it only in the App Store or Market. It is not really true for apps like SBNation, which are building on an existing platform, because people aren’t going to find SBNation via the App Store or Market, they are generally already members or get linked to the site from another source and then add the application.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn it. still no Zing.

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hells yeah!

Been waiting for something like this to come along. And supposedly it’s free? Even better!

by avs18fan on Aug 22, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: Help me VEB you're my only hope!

So a friend of mine has a roku box to stream TV instead of using the elitist cable company. They were bummed about not watching Crads games. I remember a discussion about MLB.TV and something about a Boxee and a proxy. Can you shed some light on this?

by OKCardsfan on Aug 22, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

...

Link

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs

by mysterui on Aug 22, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

You need a Boxee box. If you pay for the MLB.tv Extra Innings package they should be able to see the games regardless of blackout with the exception of Saturday day games.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you can hook your computer to your TV

I’m assuming that this person can’t, which is why they have a Roku in the first place.

That should still work with a Boxee box, you’d just have to know how to access the network settings.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

man, i would love to see milwaukee lose both games today

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

cutting a 1.5 off the lead in one day would be cool.

After every game the Cards lose I keep saying to myself that i’m done with this team and there is no way they will catch up. But I still catch my self thinking “ok if we sweep then twice thats 2.5 back….”

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by hittmeier on Aug 22, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

glimmers are all we have right now...

 I am holding tight!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 22, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i'm not deciding anything until we have that first 3-game series

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win all of our games

Brewers lose all of theirs…

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 22, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if we play 1.000 ball the rest of the season

we might come close to winning the division.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

going 5-1 is the ONLY way this is even a possibility.

that’s four games right there, then 4.5 games you have to make up otherwise, which isn’t impossible. gaining 2-3 games this week then sweeping next week would make me get into baseball a little bit before the start of football season. there’d at least be a glimmer of hope.

i mean, the brewers have to cool down at some point, no?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Atlanta is 7-3 in their last 10...

not helping when we play .500

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 22, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Image if the Brewers had had this invincible streak in late June and early July

How different does the trade deadline look if we’re 9 games back at that point? The fact that we’re now being left in the dust after going for the whole “win now” thing is really one of the more frustrating parts of this whole ordeal.

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah, but for what?

Does a team 9 games back in the division acquire an Edwin Jackson rental?

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe not.

but we still don’t get what we deserved for rasmus.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 22, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're saying we'd have been happy with just

Scrabble and Patterson and the fact that they took our deadwood?

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying maybe the focus shifts to acquiring cost-controlled talent instead of perceived rental upgrades

And they ship Rasmus to someone who can offer us some potentially long-term useful players.

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

I bet they would have traded Rasmus anyway, but they wouldnt have done so for package centered around Edwin Jackson. I would imagine they probably could have gotten some decent prospects instead or made that deal with Tampa.

by mick311 on Aug 22, 2011 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the Brewers streak started

the very day we traded Rasmus. That’s an amazing coincidence.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Aug 22, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sports Blogger Panel - feat. Goold, Leach & Sebek

Sorry to pimp the event here, but I figured most St. Louis readers could be interested.

Next Monday at Gio’s downtown. – Free event – register here.

On the twitters

by creativereason on Aug 22, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just kidding

although it is getting more difficult with each loss to the Cubs, etc.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 22, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

I need football to start.

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 22, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

only 12 days!

probably fewer, I haven’t checked the schedule (college, not NFL).

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 22, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are in "WIN NOW" mode, so I guess:

Theriot SS, Schumaker 2B, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Molina C Patterson RF, Descalso 3B, Carpenter P

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

Why does Mo leave Patterson on this roster? Seeing his name in a lineup just sucks the life out of me.

On the twitters

by creativereason on Aug 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read this as an actual guess

Is this the actual lineup? Everyone else seems to think so.

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ACTUAL LINEUP, NOT ME GUESSING

Schumaker, 2b; Jay, cf; Pujols, 1b; Holliday, lf; Berkman, rf; Freese, 3b; Molina, c; Descalso, ss; Carpenter, p

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

whew at least no riot

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Furcal

still has a thumb…… crap. We won and all last night. And I recall the hive collectively being excited back in July if Dirty Dan got a start over erriot, but there were at least three plays last night where I thought “Furcal would’ve”.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 22, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought DD made a couple of nice plays on difficult balls

even my Brewers friend thought so, but it’s hard to judge. He’s better than Theriot.

by sdrone on Aug 22, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh definitely better than Theriot

and he did well, overall. In my mind, I could see Furcal getting to A-Ram’s RBI single and, maybe, Castro’s grounder into the hole, he may even have been able to at least knock down the hit-n-run single (and why was SS covering with a RH hitter up?).

I don’t have any real complaints against DD, there just seemed to be several plays juuuuust out of reach that, maybe, Furcal makes.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 22, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh! I just gotta know

if you’re really there and you really care. Cos’ baby I’m not
Fa Fa Fa foolin.

by OKCardsfan on Aug 22, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

can never go wrong with a Def Leppard reference.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn. 7 out of 9, though!

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

77.777%

C+!

Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA

by jd is legend on Aug 22, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what she said

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahem

You don’t get to give yourself a point for Carp

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

CHANGES!!!

Skip Freese Pujols Holliday Berk Jay Molina Descalso SS Carp

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like freese in the 2 hole

and that IS what she said!

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

aw

it was preemptive only

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

and hilarious

/must return to this thread after midnight

by mattyfrommo on Aug 22, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's Ice's BABIP?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

.364 on the season

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you still winning your bet then?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, because the terms were actually .360 going forward - meaning from july 25 until sept 30

i messed that up. his babip is .339 from july 25 to present.

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah snap! Sorry IHB

hopefully he recoups some of the lost batted ball luck!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would be good for the team if he did.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I have been pulling for you this whole time. If you win, the Cardinals win! Also, it gives me more opportunities to post Mr. Freeze pictures!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ice Ice Babip?

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think we should DL someone

and call up greene. descalso is an okay emergency/spot-start SS. he should not start 3 games in a row at SS

by prophetjohn on Aug 22, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

concur. we have a super short bench and that is bad thing

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In addition, IHeartFreesie

by IHeartBoog on Aug 22, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Necessity

Furcal and Theriot are both hurt.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way that happens

we only have to play short-handed for 10 more days, then the rosters expand

by mattyfrommo on Aug 22, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but we can DL Theriot and nobody will miss him.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

Neither is hurt bad enough. Though I guess if you can DL Tallet for a sneeze…….

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

but what i’m getting at is that hamstrings are usually pretty unpredictable. i remember when matt holliday was day-to-day

just DL theriot. it’s not like he’s been an integral part of the team recently. we can manage without him for another 12 days

by prophetjohn on Aug 22, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but we don't need anything more than a 23 man roster

it’s not like the survival of the season hangs in the balance of how we play these next few days

by mattyfrommo on Aug 22, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

so the reasoning

is that the season is shot, so we should no longer put the best team on the field?

by prophetjohn on Aug 22, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

there ya go.

bat Corey Patterson 5th… he can’t be any worse than Pedro Feliz!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO WAY!

I’m just trying to make sense of it all. I actually think that the dicking around should end, because although this season might be shot, they should at least try to go out with all fucking guns blazing. If they actually don’t DL one, or both of them, I’m gonna be even more pissy at this GM.

by mattyfrommo on Aug 22, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this

I can’t imagine many other teams would roll along with the two guys on their roster who have actual experience playing SS hurt without calling up the guy who in AAA has an OPS over 1.000 while they are at least conceivably still in the playoff race.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 22, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

by a blind coal-miner...

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 22, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Civil War style.

Give him a few shots of whiskey and chop away!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, leaches

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Aug 22, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa!

That there’s summa what city folks call “mal-practice”! First you give ’im whiskey, then you have the poor bastard bite down real hard on a sticka wood with some cloth wrapped around it. And then you chop away!

You fixin’ ta get sued, boy?

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 22, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Adams

is a 1st baseman right? Call him up, put him at short and see what we got. Allen Craigs been all over, why can’t he?

by OKCardsfan on Aug 22, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

He makes me excited...

Matt Adams

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 22, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever seen him play 1st base?

No way he could play SS.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR turned

Skip Schumaker into Jeff Kent. JEFF FUCKING KENT! He can turn Matt Adams into CAL RIPKEN JR!!! TLR knows no bounds. Miracle worker of the highest order. All hail TLR! He knows better than us!!!

by OKCardsfan on Aug 22, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

God himself couldn't turn Matt Adams into a SS

And TLR thinks he’s God so he wouldn’t try it.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okey Dokey

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Aug 22, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I was assuming

But now I see he probably meant SS. I liked my first guess better, but both work pretty well.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 22, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

EFF it

Put everyone on waivers
call up memphis.

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by CodyG on Aug 22, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

As if the Gob said

“I shall take thy Rickie Weeks, but I shall bestow upon thee the ability to win every game! Woe be the Cardinals, how dare thee trade thy young, cost-controlled center fielder for 2 months Edwin Jackson and Corey Patterson?”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

and now the dread tandem of yuniesky betancourt and craig counsell

combine to put the game out of reach. Aided, of course, by a 2-out infield single.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Aug 22, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

just eliminated any potential social life for the next year

figured out i could graduate one semester sooner if i take 17 hours this semester and 18 the next semester. gonna do it. i’ve got a couple hard classes this semester, but i guess i did 17 last spring and i was working then, while not really working now.

by prophetjohn on Aug 22, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

that sounds tough.

I was on pace to graduate early (summer classes are awesome for that), but decided I wasn’t ready to be an adult, so I added a minor. Then, I still wasn’t ready to grow up, so I went to law school.

Best of luck though!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Good luck to you. As a person out here in the real world, I wouldn’t be in any hurry to join it…
:-P

On the twitters

by creativereason on Aug 22, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I graduated early

Took 19 hours the second semester of my senior year at Wash U.

It sucked. A lot. But it was worth it.

by mojowo11 on Aug 22, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you want to leave college?

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 23, 2011 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

who's ready for that ovation for aaron miles

/troll

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 22, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember that non-ovation with the Cubs

Dan and Al really hyped it up and then pumped up the field mics….and nothing.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 22, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

tonight

he returns. batting 6th

get some runs

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Aug 22, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

The Busch Stadium infield just got awhole lot dirtier.

Aaron Miles does get dirty, dirt gets Aaron Milesy

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

dang it.

Aaron Miles does NOT get dirty… stupid Sheckie ruins stupid joke.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 22, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a secret game thread

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 22, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stands look pretty empty.

Colby in TOR: .224/.247/.412 3HR 21K/3BB 8/21

by The Continental on Aug 22, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

GritGnome at 3rd now?

Colby in TOR: .224/.247/.412 3HR 21K/3BB 8/21

by The Continental on Aug 22, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

And lookin' pretty smooth

Colby in TOR: .224/.247/.412 3HR 21K/3BB 8/21

by The Continental on Aug 22, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, and he must have owed apu one

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 22, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF

I’ve never seen anything like this Holliday!

11 in '11

Carp on Brendan

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 22, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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