Of course the Chicago Cubs have a winning record this month
by DanUpBaby on Aug 19, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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Here's what it looks like when the Milwaukee Brewers lose a game, in case you were wondering. Clayton Kershaw was kind enough to not walk anybody, so in spite of Jerry Hairston hitting two doubles against the very same Kershaw, who leads the National League in strikeouts and, up to now, did not lead the league in doubles allowed to surprisingly punchy thirtysomething utility infielders.
That's one way for the Cardinals to gain on the Brewers; another would be to beat the Cubs, who are 11-5 in August just in time to mitigate the Brewers' lost winning streak. Run differential by month: -31; -12; -30; -40; +15.
This is what the Cubs look like when they don't suck: Aramis Ramirez is hitting, Carlos Pena is hitting, Alfonso Soriano is still doing his weird .231/.273/.500 thing, but most importantly their pitching isn't cartoonishly bad. They actually have a solid offense, sucking or not-sucking; only Darwin Barney has an OPS+ under 100, and his OBP is 46 points higher than Soriano's, so I'm sure Mike Quade isn't complaining. (The Cubs currently have not one but two multi-million-dollar stars threatening to finish the season with more home runs than walks—Soriano, at 20 to 19, and Ramirez, at 23 to 24. Ramirez once walked 74 times in a season, but he failed to hit 75 home runs. Carlos Zambrano, sadly, will end his season with two of each.)
They'll score runs, especially with P.J. Walters struggling with the Las Vegas 51s instead of trying to throw sinking changeups through Alfonso Soriano's legs; whether they're pushovers in the Cardinals' attempt to call a regression foul on the Brewers depends on whether their pitching staff is terrible like it has been all year or just kind of bad like it has been this month.
The weekend's starters, for your terrible/bad consideration:
Randy Wells: Randy Wells has been the starter equivalent of Ryan Franklin this year; he's allowed 1.7 home runs per nine innings and his command has gotten noticeably worse. His progression since that great 2009 season isn't especially promising, so if the Cardinals plan on pinning 10 runs on a Cubs staff that's already allowed 611 this year today would be a good time. (Verdict: Might be terrible.)
(This month he's 2-0 with nine strikeouts, two walks, and five home runs allowed in 18 innings. Good luck parsing that.)
Matt Garza: Unfortunately, Matt Garza is really good, or at least he ought to be. He strikes out a batter an inning, walks about a third as many batters, and has seen his home run rate decline since moving out of the AL Central. He's 5-9 because the Cubs are having one of those years where Matt Garza goes 5-9 and Randy Wells goes 4-4. This month he's pitched really well, because he's Matt Garza, and he's 1-1, because he pitches for the Cubs.
(Verdict: Not even just kind of bad! Though the Cubs making the trade that brought him to Chicago in the first place should be perpetually terrifying for fans who are looking for this thirtysomething team to rebuild. It's like the moment your host pulls a burning instant pizza out of the oven and, just when you think he's looking for the takeout menu, reaches for some really great parmesan cheese to sprinkle on top.)
Casey Coleman?: With Carlos Zambrano unwilling to risk humiliating himself by hitting more home runs than walks drawn in 2011 the Cubs looked first to Casey Coleman, a not-especially-distinguished young pitcher who should probably not be in the Majors but, until someone finally starts a AAAA league, has noplace else to go.
Take a look at his minor league numbers: The Cubs threw him past three levels for which he was apparently well-suited at 20 years old and sent him to AA at 21, where he had one of those superficially great underwhelming-third-starter seasons that look so ominous in the Major Leagues. Having gone 14-6 in AA he moved to AAA, where he's also just competent enough.
Should he get the next Zambrano-fill-in-start—it's still TBA—he's another one the Cardinals have to beat up on. The Brewers couldn't hit Clayton Kershaw, but I bet they manage to ding one of Mike Pelfrey, Chris Capuano, and R.A. Dickey.
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So someone the other day said Fielder should get more money than Pujols.
Is that the consensus? That’s insane to me.
Should? No.
Will he? Maybe.
He’s younger, but also fatter.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
I'm still trying to figure out why it matters if someone is fat
as long as they are producing is what matters
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Because his knees could explode at any second.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Big fat players generally age badly. Pretty simple really
A pretty good example being Prince’s dad, which doesn’t bode well, gene-wise. In fact, as a trained geneticist, I’d say it’s CERTAIN that Prince Fielder’s knees will disintegrate before he’s 30.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
I wouldn’t be too worried about though
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 20, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He might get more money in the sense that
someone might be willing to give him more years equaling more total money, but I’d be surprised if he got more per year.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Prince Fielder is entering his age 28 season.
Albert Pujols is entering his age 32 season. A position player’s peak performance year by age is usually around age 29. So, a club is signing Fielder at his peak while a club is signing Pujols just as he is declining off his peak. What’s more, a long contract for Fielder would end when a long contract for Pujols is about half over, if you go by seasonal age.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm one of the ones spouting insanity
Though it seems most on here are. Bgh sums it up very, very well. AAV will be close but Fielder’s total contract will be larger since he’s younger and had the better season.
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hey i wouldn't mind if Prince gets more money than Albert.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
it was me, among others perhaps
i expect his contract will be for more total dollars because of age and the comparative performances this season
AAV, though, is up in the air as far as i can see
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
he'll get more
he’s younger and is putting up better numbers this year. people tend remember more recent events. pujols was injured this year also.
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He had one WAR over 6, and that was three years ago.
I’d bet that Pujols’ regression would be better than Fielder’s prime. (Even though Fielder is technically post-prime and, you know, has a body that will age quickly.)
by EddieHarsch on Aug 19, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The cardinals will surely score some runs against at least two of these
pitchers, surely?! Wells and Not-Zambrano are never going to light the world on fire. Garza does concern me greatly though, i don’t know how he’s been this year, but in Tampa he could always seem liable to blow up and lose control and command if things went bad early on.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
he's been really good
FIP 3.09, xFIP 3.16, SIERA 3.19
Total Internet Points: -7600
by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
daaaammn.
Oh well, hopefully we can still pin some runs on him. I guess the Cubs’ bullpen is still just some guys and Marmol?
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
he is walking a lot of people
so the cards should be able to get something off of him.
No idea about the bullpen, just know about garza because someone suggested trading for him (on jays site)
Total Internet Points: -7600
by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I shouldn't say a "lot" bb/9 of 3.2 isn't that terrible
Total Internet Points: -7600
by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It isn't great.
But, with his strikeout rate, it’s not as harmful as it could be.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
correction
he is walking alot of people, so the cards should be able to getsomethinglots of double plays off him
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Aug 19, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They still have Marshall
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 8:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dayum
Haven’t seen SIERA in a while
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 8:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Uh....
unfortunately, I’m going to predict not-Zambrano will limit us to 0 runs on 3 hits through 7 or 8 innings. Just because, you know, we’ll have not seen him before, not have hours and hours of film, etc.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You may be confusing that with
his twins days. He was a monster in tampa for a while. His numbers would look even better in a park where the ball didn’t fly out of the park so fast. Like…Busch III?
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So, how well must the Cardinals play in the Brewers series to ensure a pennant?
Is the consensus a double-sweep? I’d say at least 5/6.
To ensure a pennant?
We’ll need to win about 11 of the 6. Maybe 15.
4 of 6 would give us a puncher’s chance. 5 or 6 would make it an open race again.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Yes. 5 of those 11 wins must come against the Phillies in the NLCS.
What the? How the? I don’t even know.
Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.
Probably already discussed
But Matt Adams hit 2 HRs last night, giving him 30 on the year. That sets the Springfield single season record, previously held by Colby Rasmus. Pretty cool stuff
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 8:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Time to trade him
for a package of old guys we will be disappointed in, a young pitcher TLR may not use, plus one old and shitty outfielder who should be selling cotton candy and peanuts at the ballpark.
By the way, is there a team older than StL now? Perhaps Satchell Page can help us down the stretch run as a LOOGY.
SD
by Gibby45 on Aug 19, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our pitchers are the oldest in the NL
Our hitters are only younger than the Cubs, Dodgers, and Phillies.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Matt Adams < Colby Rasmus
probably just the shitty outfielder.
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It doesn't help that most of our "young" rookie/inexperienced guys are like 28, 29
guys like Craig and Freese are surprisingly old.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that was an oddly mellow off-day thread, even with rui's law and order break
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
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Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 19, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
VEB: Very Easy-going Blog
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
TLR on Craig
Per the official site:
While he said the utility player would most likely not appear at second base again this year because of the injury, La Russa said Craig would continue to play both corner outfield spots and might even play center field.
“The right ballpark, the right time, and we want to keep Lance [Berkman] in there,” La Russa said. “I think when he’s running normally. We’ll have to judge for sure that he’s running normal.”
I think this may have already been posted and I think Dan alluded to it in yesterday’s main post.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Jesus he's losing it
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
past tense
lost it long ago
he thinks offense only, and hopes to be lucky on defense
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Desperate people
do desperate things. TLR is beyond desperate.
Holliday, Craig, Berkman
that would not be the best defensive OF i have seen.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I was thinking
that Theriot and Schumaker was not the best defensive MIF I have seen, either.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The best defense is a good offense right?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Aug 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its only taken 3/4 of the season
but someone finally gets the 2011 Cardinals!
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
"UZR is for LUZRS"
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
by lightbulb on Aug 19, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
2011 Cardinals: A failure in Metrics.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
They tried to play defense using the metric system!
It was a terrible failure. Everyone knows that you can only catch balls if you track their motion in yards.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
sorry colby
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Of those three
I bet Holliday would be the better bet in CF than Craig.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 19, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't understand
how Craig is not healthy enough to play 2nd and just before the game on Wednesday TLR said he was still not fully healthy, but now he is considering running him out there in CF?
I think the concern with Craig's health is turning double plays.
Craig suffered a trauma to his knee that fracture his knee cap. I believe the club is therefore a bit weary of playing at second base, where a hard slide could aggravate the injury.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is he even running smoothly though?
As recently as the last couple of weeks he still had a pretty noticeable hitch in his gait.
Lack of mobility is certainly a reason to not play him in CF.
I just think that the injury concerns of him playing CF are not any greater—and, in my opinion, are less—than him playing a corner OF spot. I think the OF is also safer, in terms of injury risk, than playing second. I don’t think the Cardinals should play Craig in CF because I don’t think he has the range for it, especially coming off his knee injury. TLR appears to agree with you and me as he places the condition of when Craig is “running normally” to him playing CF.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Except he also suggested it could happen this weekend in Chicago
Also I would note that he injured the knee playing the outfield, not 2b.
Craig played 2B
during his rehab assigned @ Memphis. How is he less healthy now than during his rehab assignment?
That's a good question.
In a minor-league rehab assingment, MLB clubs consistently give players restrictions because the MLB club doesn’t care if it hampers the minor-league club’s chances at winning. I imagine Craig was instructed not to try and turn any double plays with a runner coming in on a hard slide.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
How many times?
I only saw that he played 2B once and that was in his first game back in the field; it very well could’ve been during that performance that it was decided he couldn’t/shouldn’t play there anymore.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How in the he'll can a patellar fx make it impossible to play 2nd
But ok to play CF?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damnit Volsn
i’m a blogger not a doctor!
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
by Aranathor on Aug 19, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna say that what bgh says makes some sense
plus infielders have to be in a lower ready position than outfielders. So maybe they don’t want him in a lower position with the patella loaded on every pitch. But I still don’t want to see him in CF.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I had not considered the double play thing
But I refuse to believe a straight line run is not more stressful on a patella
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I fail to see how playing Center is phyiscally more demaining than the corners
sure you do a little bit more jogging. But I don’t see why jogging in center is going to cause more of an injury than jogging in right.
I doubt we’ll see Craig start in center in the near future. Maybe towards the end of the year if we fall out of contention any more.
Grit != flat out sucking.
It's not
But I fail to see how playing second is more physically demanding on the knee than
CF
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i guess that's a dumb question
of course people think that, as that was the given reason for the signing. but is there any discernible proof?
There will be a one eyed man on your porch...
an hour ago.
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by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
euphemism?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
it was your surgeon
he was concerned you missed your follow up appointment
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Aug 19, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, i don't care why it happened.
I’m just really glad it happened. Watching Puma has been wonderful this year.
(Gob, please allow me to enjoy him for the rest of the season too.)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Yea I see that
Not sure how that is more stress on the patella than straight line running
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How's this
Craig at first, Albert at third, freese at 2nd
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And Yadi in right
And Holliday at SS.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Craig in center field?
ahahahahahahahaha
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Center?
Yikes. Good thing the Cardinals traded some guy named Clobby Rasmut.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
May have been discussed in Late Night VEB, but...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
they weren't who he thought they were
“I think I’ve been really disappointed that we haven’t pitched deeper into more games,” Duncan said. "We’ve had a lot of five- and six-inning outings. I thought we would be better than that.‘’
Can the starters be better? Will they be better?
“I don’t know," said Duncan, candidly. The answer was the same for both questions.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
you take that back!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew Kip F. Wells. And Kip F. Wells was no friend of mine.
And our current pitchers are no Kip F. Wells.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Well, Dave might want to look in the mirror and around the rest of the clubhouse when sourcing the blame for this...
Carpenter has pitched into the 7th inning in 18 of his 26 starts this season. He’s also the only guy that Tony and Dave allow to go over 100 pitches on a consistent basis:
- Garcia rarely gets to 100 pitches, and sometimes nowhere near that number. In a couple of those games, he was cruising along and got lifted after 6 when he probably could have gone another inning or even two. Why?
- Lohse has probably thrown into the 7th inning more with the Cardinals than with any other team in his career. He’s been lifted a number of times after the 6th inning when he was pitching well and wasn’t over 100 pitches. Why?
- How many times has our defense allowed a fourth and sometimes FIFTH out in an inning? Defense is a huge part of this, because when your pitchers average 3-4 pitchers per batter, you defense not making outs can add up to a lot more additional pitches, and those additional pitches are MORE taxing on those pitchers due to throwing out of the stretch. Why are we allowing horrible defense to cause our pitchers to work harder?
If the answers to the about questions are also “I don’t know” then we have an old man looking for a scapegoat, not someone looking to correct the issues.
There’s a ton of blame to go around on this issue, so perhaps Duncan should go about assessing the reasons why his manager buddy is running abhorrently bad defenders out there behind his pitchers and why the starters are getting lifted when they seem to clearly have more in the tank. If Carpenter has given up 3 runs through 6 innings, he seems to get the benefit of the doubt to pitch the seventh. If Westy, Lohse, Garcia, or McClellan have this happen, they get yanked, and in a hurry.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Aug 19, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Defense
The Cardinals’ ERA is 3.83 and their FIP is 3.83.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Doesn't that mean our defense has been exactly average?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Heh
I was joking
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
GB pitchers normally beat their FIP
I believe Duncan is pretty spot on with each of those criticisms.
Grit != flat out sucking.
they might would have except for........
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
oh fer feck sake
because of stupid goddamn estate agents i can’t move in to my apartment for next year when i planned to, on Sunday. Apparently they don’t open on weekends and can’t give me my keys unless the office is open. What a load of shit.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
They won't give them to you on say Friday?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Aug 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
they would
but i’m about 2 hours away.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
I guess it depends on how badly you want to move in on a Sunday then
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Aug 19, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
apparently there ain't shit they can do for me
so i’m going to have to move in on monday, which is a bitch considering i have an essay to hand in by 2pm on that very day.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
OT: is "ain't" used in the UK?
I have seen you use it several times on VEB. I have always assumed (been told) that it was an “americanism”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Yeah, 'ain't' is used all the time here
its a pretty common yorkshire-ism
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
man, my school teachers are such liars!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
There's a theory out there that most of our southern dialect is just old scotch-irish.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
so that's why they speak so slowly
they’re hammered
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
whisk(e)y and dialects.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Well part of it is
Just got done reading the book Outliers. IIRC the primary settlers of the Appalachia area (eastern Kentucky, bordering Virgina, etc.) were Scotch-Irish.
An Englishman recently told me that the reason Americans speak the way we do
is because most of the pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock were from Devon and Cornwall, who pronounce words like water with a hard er, and Aussies talk the way they do because most of the criminals shipped to Australia in the 18th and 19th centuries had Cockney accents, because most of them were East Enders from London. Who knows if this guy knew what he was talking about, but I guess it’s plausible.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 19, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I've heard both those explanations before
the one about Aussies more often.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 19, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
School teachers are always liars, especially English teachers
(I’m of course kidding about them all being liars if anyone here is a teacher, one of my best friends is a teacher)
Since we’re talking about “ain’t” anyway, I used to have an Enlgish teacher would say " ain’t ain’t a word so I ain’t gonna say it" but the only part of that sentence that isn’t a word is “gonna”. Ain’t is actually a contraction for “am not” but we use it incorrectly constantly. You would say “you am not!” so you shouldn’t say “you ain’t” but you would say “I am not” so
You could say “I ain’t” we just use it incorrectly so often that our mind hears it and immediately thinks, that’s wrong
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*you wouldn't say "you am not"
Pay attention David!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 19, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in fact, i probably would say "you am not"
I am very stupid.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Well crap, when I was in high school I looked up "ain't" in Webster's
And it clearly and bluntly just said a contraction for am not and now thier website has the same definition as the wiki page you linked. Bastards
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 19, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
cockneys use "ain't" a lot as well.
I tend to make an effort to use american-isms as much as possible on here, however.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
SIDEWALK, motherfuckers!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i've been working on it all week (ignore the fact i've been on VEB all week)
its not an easy one, i should have it done before i move in.
Basically the new plan is to try and get to Uni on monday, before the deadline. Just hope to god there’s no traffic. Late penalty is 5% of the overall mark, which is annoying but not exactly the end of the world
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
finish it today and mail it in?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I will be hungover
bad idea
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
I'll write it. This will be awesome because I haven't written an essay since 2008.
Still not a werewolf.
that won't work
you’d spell all the words wrong (and by wrong, I mean correctly).
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 19, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You should riot!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Not with 'incitors'
being given 4 years in prison i’m not.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
So how cool is Top Gear?
When somebody says “Oh Cock!” Are they talking about a rooster?
Do you all have bacon? Like bacon bacon? I hear you don’t.
If the queen says go bomb France, would anybody listen? If not seems like a waste of resources.
by OKCardsfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, do I love me some classic Clayton Kershaw
Shame he doesn’t throw the curve anymore
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He doesn't?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, replaced it with a slider
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That's sad
His curve was pure filth
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Since when?
pretty sure I saw kershaw throw some in the asg.
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
According to fangraphs he's using it much less (5% as opposed to nearer 20% at its peak)
but then again ATF his slider is better, so maybe there’s method in the madness.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's going to happen
Maybe not for next season…but it’s going to happen
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey it's the 60th anniversary of OKCardsfan's avatar.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i need some help
what is the FIP equivalent of a “quality start”? I’m looking for a game by game number that would indicate a good outing for a starting pitcher
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
Uhhhh game score?
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what do you mean?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
is that something that i can find at baseball reference?
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, in the game log for players
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ok thanks
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
for example: Game score is ‘GSc’ its a bit after the pitch count
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
Yeah
Though I’m unsure that’s exactly what he’s looking for
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
ok
but that still is subject to defense… i guess im looking for an idividual game score in the spirt of FIP which isolates what a pitcher is responsible for
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
or better stated
a value that would average out all the quality starts made by starting pitchers but only factor hrs…ks… bbs… to use a a coefficient for an idea i had
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
lets say that all of the starting pitchers who made quality starts last season had an average game line like this
they each gave up 3 runs and pitched 6 innings (duh)… but on average they struck out x amount of hitters… walked x amount of hitters… gave up x amount of homers… then i could put that into the equation for FIP and have an average value for the quality start
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry... 3 runs or less in at least 6 innings
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Using FIP's individual components,
you could attempt to develop a fielding independent GSc.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
would that be similar to what i just posted above?
and if so… where on BR or Fangraphs would I be able to isolate this data? I’m not really familar with how those websites work to figure out what to do. is there a tutorial somewhere?
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Fangraphs
has a FIP primer here. You could create your own game score that is fielding independent based on the FIP components. To my knowledge, there is not a fielding independent game score, but I could be wrong.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes.
On the game logs for individuals players, it is “GSc.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I should have scrolled down.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not foreign to the FIP stat
I just don’t have time anymore to become fully aquainted with perspective that can be applied to it
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Here
http://members.cox.net/~harlowk22/DIPS-GS.html
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 20, 2011 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
aaaaaand Craig's in center
STL Lineup at CHI (8/19): Furcal 6; Craig 8; Pujols 3; Holliday 7; Berkman 9; Freese 5; Molina 2; Theriot 4; Garcia 1.
How timely!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Mehriot
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Does TLR mistakenly believe Randy Wells is a lefty?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Must be confusing him with Marshall?
“Lance, what are you doing? We’re going against Randy Wells today! You need to bat righty.”
“Um, Tony… I don’t think—”
“That’s right Lance, you don’t! Now Wells is a tough lefty so I’m giving Jon the day off and going with Allen in center. Rafael and Ryan will provide some thump in the middle infield. Jaime will be bunting righty today too. All-righty lineup. Look at it Lance… it’s beautiful…”
[Lance Berkman backs away slowly]
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
No, but he's figured out that he shouldn't have made
Jay the primary guy.
I mean, helluva lineup but W T F.
I disagree
I truly believe they thought he could match Colby’s production
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think they believed he could match Colby's production
I also believe they no longer viewed Colby as their future Center fielder. Which is why he isn’t. I believe they thought that Jay can ‘get the job done’ until the end of the year. But I don’t think they believe he is their Center fielder of the future.
Grit != flat out sucking.
So who do they think is?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or did you mean who do they think Jay is?
I believe they think Jay is a top of the line 4th outfielder who can make starts in all positions.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Then how the he'll do you trade Rasmus!?!?
Ugh
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
auto-censored!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Correct.
That would be Corey Patterson.
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by monkeysareblue on Aug 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
For whatever reason, I find your screenname hilarious
but you really need a picture avatar. Some suggestions.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
#3 is the clear winnar.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
tony
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
LoL
literally, I laughed out loud.
UNLEASH THE CRAIGEN!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I think I'd rather see Holliday in CF
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah. that probably makes more sense.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Oh god
Wouldn’t Holliday actually be better in center?
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I sincerely hope we score like 12 runs this game, and we continue with this Allen Craig - CF experiment
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this lineup should mash
so we will probably get shut out. i’m so pleasantly surprised to discover we have a day game! and that i am back in the office and able to watch it.
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maybe?
what about berkman? At least he has played there a lot in the past.
Grit != flat out sucking.
it was a long, long time ago
but wasn’t he like an elite CFer coming up?
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Elite is probably a stretch
He had an elite bat for the position, but he was below average in the field for most of his career in CF.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
well, this lineup has some offensive firepower.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Day baseball?
Damn i’m not gonna get anything done today.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
7:20 pm local time start for you, right?
That should be nice and convenient.
Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.
Ooh, thanks for the reminder
I gotta call my wife and have her DVR this just to see Craig play center.
Oh Yeah!
I was thinking of someone a little faster that may or may not have been lefthanded. Must be misremembering.
FREE TYLER GREENE!
Jay is left handed and faster. With 7 homers!
were you thinking about him?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Ah that must have been it.
I wonder if Jay was bombarded with Money, Strippers, Prostitutes and crazy parties when he was at Miami. Must have been where he got his swag.
FREE TYLER GREENE!
by hittmeier on Aug 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Erection, Sustained!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Aug 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sure we have order but at what cost?
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 19, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
gee, who didn't see that coming?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
when creating a line-up,
Tony has no filter. If he thinks it, he writes it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This is not fantasy baseball damnit!
Will someone tell him it’s not fantasy baseball
FREE TYLER GREENE!
that would be for harry potter to do
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i don't mind craig in CF
rather have him there than a guy like patterson.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
randy winn > corey patterson
twitter
by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 19, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Craig starting in CF a message from TLR that he needs a proven CFer?
I’m waiting for this to be floated by the media types.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you know
I don’t mind being wrong
I doubt we’ll see Craig start in center in the near future.
but fuck tony, couldn’t you at least give me a day or something so people have to at least search for the thread I said it in?
Grit != flat out sucking.
read the first three words of your last line
add a “t” to “but”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Aug 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We don't have to search when you post it yourself.
Even Fucktony knows that.
Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.
by Lambtron on Aug 19, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WAT
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a day game? on a friday?
that actually works out great. i can listen to shannon on my drive to houston
by prophetjohn on Aug 19, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
also
i’m pretty sure this is a “statement” lineup with tony’s statement being that he has no faith in jon jay. kinda your own fault ain’t is, broski?
Looking at this lineup, and recognizing that we are facing a RHP today....
Why did we make the Colby Rasmus trade again?
Hopefully, Rzep can get two low-leverage outs in the 9th before KMac comes in to finish off a victory. Jesus.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
because you are nice people and wanted to help us out
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's truly bizarre
If AC (a converted CF who never played the position (to my knowledge)) is a better option to play CF against a RHP than Jay, this just makes no sense.
Similarly we traded Boog and then end up playing DD at SS (although he is not a SS)?
Maybe we should trade Yadi and install Matt Adams as the catcher?
That sound you hear
is the hissing on Jamie’s fastball as he cranks up four miles an hour more, knowing that he now has to strike out twice as many hitters to get out of this game alive.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Hendry is gone
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/08/jim-hendry-out-as-cubs-gm-.html
The Cardinals might be screwed.
we're doooooomed
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
half of VEB silently sneaks over to BCB
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
so that's what that noise was to the far north?
A great portion of the city of Chicago just erupted in cheering….
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
apparently new GM is Randy Bush.
coff.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Reggie Bush?
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I thought he was on the mound today
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
is this an oblique sex joke?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Ricketts is touring the minors and had said he’s have a “state of the Cubs” address “sometime in the next 10 days.”
Guess he didn’t want to wait.
But who is going to give Pujols his hugs?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Aug 19, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who was that player he just signed yesterday?
(Too lazy to look through yesterday’s thread)
Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.
I just saw a tweet that says
he was actually fired July 22nd and agreed to stay on to make sure that draft picks got signed
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
No I was off-base
It was the Royals signing Francoeur.
Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.
Blast!
We cud always cownt on his incowpetence…
:=8/
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
when I first saw this
I thought, “crap, way to give the club a bit of boost right before they played us”, then I decided it wouldn’t matter (GM vs. field manager, etc.). I hope my second reaction is the correct one.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 19, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
In related news
Jim Hendry is the new bullpen catcher for the St. Louis Cardinals.
We take everyone else’s scrap heap shit, might as well keep it up.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
From today's tipsheet:
One loss does not a Brewers downturn make. Fans in Philadelphia and Milwaukee are already looking ahead to the potential second-round playoff showdown between the Phillies and Brewers.
Journal Sentinel columnist Michael Hunt wrote this: "But if the sagacious Philadelphians are looking ahead to a second-round matchup with our local nine, who are we to argue? That carries more weight than the fact the Brewers had the fourth-best record in all of baseball at the start of business Thursday. More clout than the reality the Brewers are playing with more confidence than Neil Peart at a village drum-off. More sense than the astonishing sight of the St. Louis Cardinals struggling to fundamentally master the game they invented.
Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/article_e5c0abde-ca59-11e0-bd9f-0019bb30f31a.html#ixzz1VUNsSGNQ
OUCHIE
Any room left on the "Fire Tony" bandwagon? Need 1 ticket.
I don't understand the point
What exactly did the Cardinals invent?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
He's mocking the Cardinals' collective holier than thou attitude.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hm. I could believe that was his intent, but I don't see how that's anything but dumb writing.
I mean, if any team could be accused of claiming to invent baseball it’s the Reds. They’re in the same division, so it’s not like that hard to think of.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
well, you're stating facts
and he’s, evidently, not into facts.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just mad because his parents named him Mike Hunt
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
there it is.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
attaboy
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Merry CRasmus win the thread?
This comment is at least in the running, right?
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate that guy
Prime Minister David Cameron on TMS
“I’m not name-dropping, but I was on the phone to Obama the other day and said ‘well, at least we’re the number one in the world at cricket’. But he said ‘you invented the game – that’s like saying America’s number one in the world at baseball’!”
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
Jokes on him
They were the ones that invented baseball!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The English #1 at Cricket?
I was under the impression that India and the Philippines are the better cricket playing countries, but I’m not researching to find this out. Because it’s cricket and I don’t care all that much.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
The Phillipines don't play cricket
India were #1 but we’re a couple of days away from completing our 4-0 annihilation them in a 4 game series. It genuinely has been quite shocking; difficult to think of a good analogy off the top of my head, but it was initially expected to be a close, exciting series, and it’s been about the most one-sided major sporting event I’ve witnessed. Pretty amazing for an England cricket fan.
We’re probably #1 now, and realistically South Africa are probably #2 in terms of quality (although India are still rated ahead, they’ve suddenly started looking very old and lacking in attitude/basic skills; much like your 2011 St Louis Cardinals).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I need Dayton Moore to get fired
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Oh man, the best thing that could happen is that Jeff Kingston gets hired somewhere as a GM...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
=(
cwyers: Wow this is sad. Hendry asked what he’s going to do now, and his response? “Be a better dad.”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Good for him
Get your dream job, milk it, then cash out and do what you really want to do.
by sdrone on Aug 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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weren't you already doing what you really wanted to do?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
the way it was worded
he had his dream job, milked it, and then got out to do what he really wanted to do.
Which must be retiring on a beach, because he already had his dream job.
Grit != flat out sucking.
yeah that was my point
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In addition, IHeartFreesie
I see your point
My dream job is just that – work; what I really want to do is not a job.
by sdrone on Aug 19, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rui might be projecting.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps because of the implication that he has not been a good enough dad up to now?
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
Or because of the implication
that this is his last job in baseball because of his complete ineptitude at running the Cubs organization. Although Ed Wade still has a job, so anything is possible.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
No-one else will ever give Hendry a job
I worry a bit that our “window” (i.e. having Pujols, and having at least 3 or 4 incompetent GMs in the NL Central) of always-being-in-contention-despite-the-stupid-thing-Mo-and-TLR decide to do.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the deal with you and the emoticons recently?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
How else am I supposed to convey to the internet how I feel?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
o_O
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
by mysterui on Aug 19, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^_^
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Screw you
that kind of crap has no place on this blog.
( ._.)
Hit me up on Google+
FIRE TONY LA RUSSA
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
_|_ (-_-) _|_
no offense
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
When people talk about internet nerds
in a vague, generalizing kind of way, they have something like this in mind. An eight comment subthread of ASCII faces kind of epitomizes internet nerds.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Like Cannibal Corpse?
“Hammer Smashed Face” is surprisingly sweet.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
The correct answer is always NIN's "Closer"
Still not a werewolf.
by clank on Aug 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the greatest father/daughter dance song?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Haikus are really great
but sometimes they don’t make sense
Refridgerator.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
See, it's a great way to express your feelings.
For instance, here Aranathor expresses lingering resentment over having been raised british by conveying positive sentiments that fade into confusion, and then spelling a word in a weird way.
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Aug 19, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is that because you work every day?
That’s the main reason I don’t like it.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
since I'm heading down to Wrigley in just a few
no, I think it’s quite swell. Can’t wait today to cheer on Allen Craig, professional center fielder (seriously, wtf Tony)
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
I like Saturday and Sunday afternoon games.
I would be fine with teams playing day games only on the weekends and only playing night games during the week. The schedule makes this nearly impossible though.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I love a day game in fall or spring when the weather is gorgeous
Hot summer days are horrible.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So, is there any doubt the Cubs are going to get Friedman from the rays?
It’s gonna suck
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
IMO, there's a better chance that Friedman goes to the Stros.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why
Just wondering
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First, it's probably doubtful that Friedman would leave the Rays.
He’s got very close ties to the rays team president and has, by all accounts, built a solid team and player pipeline that he’d like to see develop.
But Friedman grew up in Houston, the Stros are his boyhood favorite team, and his father is a prominent lawyer in town and Chairman of the Board of the Harris County-Houston Sports Authority (basically the landlord for Minute Maid Park). The Stros will be looking for a new GM when Crane officially takes over and Crane (reportedly) is interested in hiring Andrew.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Did any VEBers experience the storms in NW/Western Missouri last night? And are they ok?
I know it might be useless to ask over the internet, as something like 20,000 people are still without power… but it’s worth a shot eh?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
For those of you concerned that Albert might become the all-time GIDP king
he had 94 at the end of his 5th season. Billy Butler, who, like Albert, will still be 25 at the end of this, his 5th season, has already grounded into 95 DPs. Also, Ryan Zimmerman, who has 102, turns 27 in late September, and could put on a surge in his later, more injury-prone years, as well as Cano, 28 with 130, and Molina, 28 with 132. Finally, Miguel Cabrera is also only 28 (I know, it seems like he should be at least 30), and has 163
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 19, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
Hmm
my period is missing.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 19, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's what she said...
sorry
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Aug 19, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Set you up
and you almost hit it out, but you had to ruin it with an apology.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 19, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think the sorry was for the "twss"
Total Internet Points: -7600
by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
there it is.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Oh dear god
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Aranathor
What is the British media saying about Samir Nasri today?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He's practically a Manchester City player already
according to Mancini, but Wenger wants to play him against Liverpool on saturday. So i’m not sure when the deal will be done.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
Heh
I don’t know that we have the option not to play him. Everyone is either crocked or suspended.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why is the Saudi Arabian little league team all blonde white kids
With white parents?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 8/17/11)
110 2/3IP, 122 K, 48 BB/HBP, 49 ER, 6 HR, 3.00 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kevin Pietersen would have been one hell of a baseball player.
2011 Cardinals GIDPs: 133
NL Record: '58 Cardinals, 166
ML Record: '90 Red Sox, 174
I'm probably headed to the game tomorrow
send me an email if you want to meet up
low in the zone
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
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