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Cardinals Fans Never Say Die

     The St. Louis Cardinals are seven games back from first place today on their day off. Needless to say there is work to be done. The Cardinals have to figure a way out of the hole they dug themselves into, and then try to force the brewers and/or braves down that same hole. Sounds like a lot for a team that just can't seem to find their stride as a club. The upside, is that there is still a month and a half of baseball to be played, and stranger things have happened. I remember the 2006 season and how close it was to ending, but when it was all said and done we were champions. Considering all the things that have gone wrong this year for the Cards, their probably lucky to be within 7. Everyone wants to point fingers at guys like Ryan Franklin, or Theriot and his lack of Dfence, or TLR and the daily bullshit he thinks is strategic management but others would say is pure poppycock. That's understandable, we can play the blame game all day long but it comes down to a few simple facts.

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1. The starting rotation needs to get confident and consistent, and they need to do it fast. This has to be Duncan's priority if we plan to make a playoff push. Loosing Wainwright is hurting more than most people would have expected. The good news is that with the exception of Westbrook, the rotation is full of great talent. I think what they could be missing is that bit of swagger that motivates a pitcher to get through the tough innings and really grind out a solid 7-8 innings. If the starters can learn to trust their stuff the Redbirds could easily make a late season rally.

2. The lineup needs to stay HOT. I'm sure you hear all the time how the Cardinals have the best offence in the NL. The fact is the Cardinals are good at scoring runs. The trick is they have to do it for more than two or three games in a row. I say keep Allen Craig in there against the cubs, hes proving that he deserves to play everyday. Craig was hitting close to .400 before he went on the DL, now hes starting to swing the hot bat again. Meanwhile I'm watching Jon Jay's production drop off ever since we gave Rasmus the boot. This lineup has proved that it can carve up average pitching. But when there is an above average pitcher on the mound the Cardinals turn into the turtles and go into a shell, and its hard to swing a bat inside of a shell. I refuse to believe that between Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman that this lineup could be easily intimidated. The supporting cast of Molina, Freese, and Furcal around the big three should be kicking ass and taking names every night. C'mon Mcguire lets get these guys juiced up, not literally but metaphorically.

3. I realize the Cardinals and brewers have practically the same schedule for the rest of the year. I can see that the brewers look like they can do no wrong and it might be their time. But when you compare the brew crew to the Redbirds on paper, the Cardinals have somethings that the brewers don't. Yes, when it comes to starting pitching the scale tips in the brewers favor. Now look at the strength and depth in the two lineups, and you gotta believe the Cardinals have the advantage there. Then Look like the Card's coaching staff and fan base, shouldn't that be enough to overcome the odds? It's ticking me off to see people talking about next year already. I get that Milwaukee looks like a juggernaut right now but they are not immortal. You know who is immortal when he plays at his best? #5 Albert Pujols, the best in the game today. Go ahead city of St. Louis, put it all on his shoulders, that's the way he would want it. There just might be a little baseball magic this ballclub hasn't tapped yet.  I'm just sayin Cardinal Nation have a little hope, have a little faith its NOT over yet.

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This lineup has proved that it can carve up average pitching

I disagree with this, I’ve watched enough games go by as pitchers like Homer Bailey, Randy Wolf (TWICE!), Ryan Dempster, and, most recently Jason Hammel, mow us down to last a lifetime.

Someday when I'm old and have grandchildren, I'll sit them down and say, "I got to see Ryan Theriot play SS." And they'll reply, "Oh, I'm so sorry you had to experience that."

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by cardinalswsbound on Aug 18, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Ryan Dempster is a very good pitcher

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by vivaelpujols on Sep 1, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

No...

the season is esentially over. The things you consider “the blame game” are facts.

-We can blame frankln, bautista, and theriot for a lot of the problems. You can add corey patterson and trevor miller to that list as well.
- I’d say losing wainwright hurt this team exactly as much as people expected…if not less. The problem isn’t starters not “trusting their stuff”….the problem is most of our starting staff isn’t that great.
- The Cardinals have scored more runs than any other team in the national league. Once again, the problem is pitching. Allen Craig will never hit .400 in a season…google small sample size. I’m pretty shocked he’s hitting over .300 right now. John Jay is an overexposed fourth outfielder.
-The main difference between the Cards and Brewers is the difference in home/away records. The cardinals have very similar winning percentages at home and on the road. The brewers seem impossible to beat at home, but their road record is terrible. If the brewers played every game on the road for the rest of the year, we might make it. That’s not how it works though.

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by Dttl89 on Aug 18, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed except

the main difference between the Cards and The Brewers is that they have better players than we do. Even with a fully fit team (i.e. with Wainwright) i’d say they might be marginally better on paper. Replace Waino with KMac and they’re a good 4 or 5 wins better IMO.

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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a joke right?
Then Look like the Card’s coaching staff and fan base, shouldn’t that be enough to overcome the odds?

As if the fanbase has any impact whatsoever on a game much less enough to overcome seven games (6.5 now). Not to mention the Brewers have had a much better record at home so I don’t see how this makes any sense.

Also, our coaching staff sucks ASS. Well Tony sucks ass and he’s the only one impacting the game (albeit in a negative way)

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 19, 2011 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

As if the fanbase has any impact whatsoever on a game much less enough to overcome seven games (6.5 now)</blockquote

Well if we were all skilled assassins………………..

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Aug 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

block quote fail.

I winz

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Aug 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweet taz avatar, bro.

i have a calf tattoo like that with the words “back off!” and “never say die put it all on my shoulders i want it that way”. it’s a big hit down at the dollar general. so about the post let’s see…

1. The starting rotation needs to get confident and consistent, and they need to do it fast.

is there any other way to get consistent, other than fast? i don’t think so! i find a lot of baseball players have a problem in that they aren’t consistent. if you remember albert started the season having problems being consistent in that he was consistently hitting into double plays and consistently not hitting for power. but he turned that around and now is more consistent. maybe he can write a book on being consistent or something. writing a book can be a hassle, but put it on his shoulders st. louis. that’s the way he would want it.

2. The lineup needs to stay HOT. I’m sure you hear all the time how the Cardinals have the best offence in the NL. The fact is the Cardinals are good at scoring runs. The trick is they have to do it for more than two or three games in a row.

it’s so complicated but it just might work! i’m passing your carefully constructed analysis on to my contact with the organization as we speak. the next time that security guy kicks me out of the bleachers because of what falls out of my cutoff jorts, he’s going to have an extra piece of wisdom to impart on our beloved redbirds!

I get that Milwaukee looks like a juggernaut right now but they are not immortal. You know who is immortal when he plays at his best?

christopher lambert? it’s christopher lambert.

#5 Albert Pujols, the best in the game today. Go ahead city of St. Louis, put it all on his shoulders, that’s the way he would want it.

wrong dude it’s christopher lambert. when he wasn’t playing connor mcleod he was playing a bunch of crap. sorry but all the credibility you’ve earned up to this point just went out the window.

oh hey wait i just remembered it was goonies who never say die. goonies. i can see how you would not understand the situation if you confused cardinal fans with goonies (and if you read the game threads you probably couldn’t tell the difference. oh, you don’t bother to read the game threads? well you should before posting anything else.) ok, now i feel better knowing that this whole thing was just a huge misunderstanding. good day to you, young man.

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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Aug 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   4 recs

I think what they could be missing is that bit of swagger that motivates a pitcher to get through the tough innings and really grind out a solid 7-8 innings.

Or alternatively some sort of time machine that will allow them to go back 3 months and glue Zack Greinke, Prince Fielder and Shaun Marcum together and throw them into a locked refrigerator. That might be more effective.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm saying die

I’m saying die to the current status quo. I’m fed up with TLR’s mismanagement of the club and his meddling with the front office. I’m tired of the apathy and lethargy that plagues this team – particularly at this time of year. I would be a lot more forgiving if it at least APPEARED that most of the players were giving a shit. But this year, this team has done so much less with more than any other in recent memory. Hope next year sees a new manager and a new way of doing things.

by peppermartin on Aug 20, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

well....
But when you compare the brew crew to the Redbirds on paper, the Cardinals have somethings that the brewers don’t.

yea, a big deficit.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 21, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Die

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Aug 24, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

agh....damn you Todd Burns

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Aug 24, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fat lady is tuning up.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 24, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

never

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Aug 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

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