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lots of work went into this, thanks

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions

What's the roster move when Allen Craig comes back?

Just assume Patterson would clear waivers? (Not that it would matter much if he didn’t)
Option Cruz?

by CardinalRules on Aug 1, 2011 7:36 AM EDT reply actions

I would guess that Descalso gets optioned out.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions

But seriously, does anybody know if there’s a concrete reason (like a Tony quote or something like that) they’d keep Cruz up after Craig is back? I like Cruz and all, but this doesn’t make any sense to me.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions

this

why have 3 catchers when we can have 13 pitchers?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Because Cruz is an outfielder and Craig is an infielder

(I can play this game all day)

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions

Heh

Had to look this up… Cruz has actually played more innings at 3B than in the outfield.

Cruz has seen innings at catcher, third base, second base, first base, and right field.

Someday Tony really will get that team composed entirely of Secret Weapons.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions

He nearly has one now.

The reason I said Descalso is because we have a ton of middle infielders on the current roster. I’d really just like to see them DFA Theriot or Patterson, but that’s probably too much to ask for, especially considering Tony’s comments regarding Patterson over the weekend, comments that made me want to kick a puppy I might add.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions

The guy's a natural leadoff hitter.

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by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

The guy's a natural leadoff hitter.

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by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions

No matter how many times you say it, it isn't true.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs

gigglesnort

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

greeenage

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Laird really hasn't been healthy for more than 5 straight days all season.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions

Although

I’m sure that Descalso could jump behind the plate for an inning or two if needed. I mean, he plays everywhere else.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions

I would love to see DD gun down some thoroughly surprised baserunner

I’m sure he’d mostly be a disaster behind the plate, but his arm at least would have to play there

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Didn't Freese play catcher last year or the year before?

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by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes, last game of 2009, I believe

TLR uncharacteristically took out both catchers and Freese ended up serving as the emergency catcher for an inning or two.

by bailorg on Aug 1, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

yep

who let the cards out?

by adiueordie on Aug 1, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Is it wrong that, looking at that lineup, I kind of miss it,

Well okay not Skip leading off or DeRosa, but as a whole

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by cardinalswsbound on Aug 1, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Well...

I don’t miss Thurston. Or Diner. Or Lugo.

But yeah, the rest, I kinda miss.

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by monkeysareblue on Aug 1, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions

It's so maddening sometimes

If Laird can’t play, DL him and make Cruz the back up catcher. There, problem solved. We have Theriot and Patterson and three catchers on this roster. But don’t worry, we’re trying to win now!

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions

It's not that he's hurt, it's his ability to STAY healthy that's the problem

If you send Cruz down and then Laird gets hurt the very next day, Cruz has to stay down 10 days before he can come back up. I really can’t think of a 10 day stretch since the middle of May where Laird hasn’t been banged up.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions

Hm.

Can the Cardinals not see the absurdity in keeping a back-up-for-the-back-up on the roster because we can’t trust our back-up to stay healthy, when one of the back-up’s primary duties is insurance for the health of the starting catcher in the first place?

Does every fan base have insane roster management to complain about every year, or is it just us?

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions

At least Cruz has some utility in that he can play multiple positions

and he doesn’t run like a catcher — he’s a pretty good athlete for a backstop.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions

To be honest I'd rather they keep Cruz and dfa Laird

It seems like this team is always determined to crowd the roster with something every year. Sometimes it’s having a billion middle infielders, sometimes it’s a 13-man pitching staff. Etc.

Well, I’d really rather they get rid of Patterson first and foremost, and then Craig could just take his spot. But like you said, that doesn’t seem likely, especially since he was such a big impact player that we brought on in that trade, and has so much talent to make things happen out there and I just vomited a little.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions

This is wrong

If Cruz is sent down and Laird gets hurt the next day, they can bring Cruz right back up

by OCCardsFan on Aug 1, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions

No

Any player who is optioned to the minors must remain in the minors for 10 days.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions

this is wrong

if another player on the active roster goes on the DL, then the player doesn’t have to remain in the minors for 10 days.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Show me where this is stated

I can’t find this exception anywhere in the rules.

And, if I’m not mistaken, we had a real problem with this in 2008 when all of our pitchers went down at around the same time because we couldn’t shuffle guys up and down constantly due to the 10 day rule.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

you cant shuffle

but you can bring back to replace players placed on the DL. I’m at work and don’t have time to find a source.

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by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

confirmation

from dgoold

@sarnold4 can be immediate. Injury exemption to rule.

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by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

scoot is correct... injury is the exception to the rule.

by stxcardsfan on Aug 1, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

true scoot

But you have to place the active player on the 15 day DL to bring back up the guy you just sent down. Laird’s body is breaking down. For instance, right now he is on the active 25 man roster but might not be able to catch or only do so with difficulty. We have 1/2 of a backup catcher in Laird. But as Dan and Al tells us at every opportunity, “great clubhouse guy”. With TLR, there is one spot on the 25 man roster perpetually reserved for a gritty great club house guy who either never was or no longer is able to contribute to the team over a 162 game schedule.

by jjray on Aug 1, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions

I thought that was Theriot's spot

point is, if Laird goes down and isn’t able to catch and they have just sent Cruz down, they can DL Laird and bring Cruz right back up.

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by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions

He can still be in the clubhouse...

while on the DL!

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by cardzfanbub on Aug 1, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

If this is true, Laird shouldn't be playing.

Plain and simple. If he’s not healthy enough to back-up Molina, why the fuck is he even playing?

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

If Laird is DLd Cruz doesn't have to wait to come back up

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Pretty sure...

the 10-day rule doesn’t apply when replacing and DL’d player.

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by cardzfanbub on Aug 1, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Anderson is still on the 40 man.

who let the cards out?

by adiueordie on Aug 1, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions

this made me laugh

by mattyfrommo on Aug 1, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

When you put it that way, it hurts even more

cromit

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by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

i dont think DD is going anywhere.

TLR will want defensive protection at 3B, SS and 2B.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

But he's got Skip and Theriot for that!

And Cruz can play all those except SS.

Yes I am kidding (maybe).

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions

In all seriousness

the Allen Craig situation concerns me due to the mandatory TLR grit quotient. Let us assume there are to be 2 reserve infielders and 2 reserve outfielders on the 25 man roster (a rule TLR sometimes breaks but let’s play along). With Furcal assume Riot is the starting 2B, then our backup infielders consist of DD, Skip and Punto. Our reserve outfielder right now is Patterson, who is the new Randy Winn. When Punto comes back, Skip becomes an outfielder again. That means the 4 bench spots are filled.

Skip and Patterson both left handed bats and essentially do the same thing only Skip is better at this stage in their respective careers. Seems like an easy call, right? DFA Patterson and replace him with Allen Craig. But who thinks TLR will do that? I would bet a stack of Mark McGwire rookie Cards that TLR sends Craig to Memphis for the rest of the AAA season “so he can get regular at-bats” until rosters expand.

The team really needs Craig’s power bat on the bench or for insertion into the lineup when one of our power starters (Holliday, Berkman, Pujols) gets a day of rest.

by jjray on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

we do dumb stuff sometimes

but this would be really egregious. Craig is way too valuable to stash him away in Memphis. I suspect that Patterson will stay up at the expense of someone better, but that someone better is more likely to be Descalso than Craig.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions

I can't really see Descalso going down. Tony likes using him too much (which I like)

But I can’t see them ridding themselves of Corey Patterson’s talent or his veteran presence. Or Laird’s veteran presence. Or Theriot’s.

I’m going to check Wikipedia for a few minutes and see if I can find what happens when an unstoppable force meets and immovable object. Brb.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm enjoying Descalso

Watching him play SS was nice, and while he certainly needs improvement, I think you can cut him a little slack. He’s got a cannon and decent range, certainly better than Theriot.

I’d love for them to get rid of Patterson, but we all know TLR needs a Proven Vet on his team.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions

proven vet?

we’ve already got Laird and Theriot for that, dammit.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions

Not enough PV for Tony

He needs at least 5

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions

Descalso

made a couple of plays last night that I’m not sure Furcal can make now as a 33 year old. I’m anxious to see Furcal and see if he has lost anything in his defense.

by ridgesee on Aug 1, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions

TLR

This goes to the heart of one of the problems with LaRussa’s thinking. If, in point of fact, it came down to the choice between Craig and Patterson, Patterson would no doubt win due to his “veteran” status and the fact that Craig can be demoted. This despite the fact that Craig seems easily the better player.

by deweydell on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Exactly. This is what I would fear in your hypothetical Craig/Patterson choice scenario, though I wouldn't bet on it happening.

It does seem like we make the following decision: it’s better to keep a crappy veteran than the better young player, because we can always send the younger player down and bring him back later, whereas if we DFA the crappy veteran we might lose him forever. But who the hell cares about losing Patterson? Nobody should. The Blue Jays had to perform some sort of Imperius curse on us for us to take him in the first place.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

AA was about to perform the curse when...

Mo mentioned that they would also like Patterson to complete the deal, this was followed by AA doing a triple take and then looking suspiciously behind him expecting some sort of trap.

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by hittmeier on Aug 1, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions

My personal guess

is that Patterson has some seriously compromising nude shots of Bud Selig. His payment for keeping them under wraps is that he has to stay on active MLB rosters until he’s 40. The teams have agreed to trade him around to share the burden, and right now it’s our turn.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

remember VEB! don't picture it!!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Johnny Mo makes personnel decisions like that.

Tony doesn’t DFA anyone, or send anyone to the minors. Now will Tony play Craig over CoPa? That is the scary question.

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by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions

Johnny Mo makes personnel decions

Only because TLR’s hand is up his ass, working his mouth like a puppet.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs

Considering TLR moved Craig to 2B to get his bat in the lineup

I’d say Craig does play over Patterson, unless the position is CF on Jay’s day off.

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by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions

When will Craig get back?

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by hittmeier on Aug 1, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

good question

Will he be activated today? The target was 8/1, correct?

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

i thought i heard a few days ago that he was "progressing slower than expected..."

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by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

there's the ballgame

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

That's a new one from the medical staff

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by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions

how convenient.

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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

To me, the question is Skip or Patterson?

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by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Skip is our best hitter

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions

it's time for Theriot to have an injury.

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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

But isn't the real issue roster spots?

Craig has to be on the 25 man roster to play. I accept at this point that Tony likes playing Craig, and I’m grateful for that. But somebody has to be moved off the roster for Craig. I’m guessing it’ll be Cruz, but in my post-trade state I’m not entirely rational about baseball still, and I fear they will come up with some rationale to sacrifice a more useful player’s spot.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions

cruz will go down, or laird to dl when craig returns

if it is before sept 1

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...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 1, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions

One is mistaken to believe

JMo is the sole authority on the Cards 25 man roster. Or even the most authority IMHO. TLR is the decider on the 25 man roster when August rolls around IMHO. Tony let Johnny pretend he controls the roster in spring but when the nut crunching of fall is upon baseball Tony asserts his authority. Just go back to the history of this team and how the roster is junked up by broken down vets each spring during the TLR/JMo era. Do you think JMo on his own checked the waiver wire seeing that Randy Winn was available and decided to pounce on him?

by jjray on Aug 1, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions

At the very least it's clear that there is a back-and-forth

MO clearly gets info from Tony. But is that somehow unusual? Do most GMs just set a 25 man roster without having any clue, or caring, how their manager would like it to look?

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions

In order.

No and No.

in response to jjray, I seriously doubt Tony went to Mo and said “Get me Randy Winn”. Though he might have said “I need a right handed outfield veteran bat, what can you get.” To which Mo would say, “it appears I can get Randy Winn. Will that work?”

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by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Corey Patterson makes me miss Randy Winn.

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by bgh on Aug 1, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions

That makes me weep.

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by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

i think i just passed out a little

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Really, you're still going to argue that La Russa is not essentially the GM?

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Anyone seen comments from McGwire today about Colby?

My dad just called and told me what a great trade it was because McGwire talked today about how Colby wouldn’t listen to him. I told dad I had another call and hung up on him.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 1, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

haven't seen them, and wasn't able to find

link please?

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by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Was hoping someone else had seen them.

I can’t find anything anywhere on the web.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 1, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions

now tony and his staff

are ruining other peoples’ relationships? =(

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by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions

I would like to see/hear/read this interview.

If anyone has it, link up!

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Doesn't Craig play into the role TLR likes?

He plays right, left, 1st, 2nd, and even third.

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm not 100% sold that Theriot will be starting at 2b

I see a platoon of Schumaker and Theriot, with Schu likely getting more playing time, simply because he’s a) a lefty, and teams face more rght-handed starters than lefties, and b) right now he’s hitting better than Theriot…

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 1, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

This is my guess too

Furcal almost everyday at SS and a Skip/Theriot platoon at 2B with DD mainly spelling Freese at 3B when he needs it. Craig should be the 4th OF although I fear way too many innings/games from cpat.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Carpenter v Greinke? If I were wearing pants, I'd have peed them.

oh man.

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by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 7:39 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

Result of the big trade

Initial results strongly suggest that the big Rasmus trade was just what the Cardinals needed for 2011. We addressed our pitching needs, and gave up in an area where we were not badly hurt. We also got rid of two guys that were dragging us down. Whether this was a bad deal or not for the future we will not know for a long time. Colby may well end up with nothing more than great potential.

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by Remember Kenny B on Aug 1, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

This is a stupid comment.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Aug 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Subtle.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

it's all true though

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions

It is also to true to say that we fell to 2.5 games back

and went 2-3 against the Astros and Cubs since we made the trade. Proving, so far, that the trade hasn’t helped us.

by bailorg on Aug 1, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Did that ever happen before the trade?

Of course it did, so that proves nothing.

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Aug 1, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

I was being mildly sarcastic

It’s just way too early to judge the trade.

by bailorg on Aug 1, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree it is too early

But I am a lot more optimistic than most.

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Aug 1, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

hmm..

We addressed our pitching needs

True. Jackson is a big improvement over McClellan.

gave up in an area where we were not badly hurt.

True. Keeping in mind that Kenny B stated for 2011, Jay and Rasmus ZIPs projection is about the same. Note that he said we “were not badly hurt.” Kenny B acknowledged that Jay is a step back from Rasmus moving forward for the rest of the year.

We also got rid of two guys that were dragging us down.

True, Miller and Tallet were dragging us down. These two Loogys were not able to get Loogys out.

Whether this was a bad deal or not for the future we will not know for a long time.

True.

Colby may well end up with nothing more than great potential.

True. He may also end up being an All Star during the multiple years we given up.

Colby may well end up with nothing more than great potential.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

And Jon Jay could turn into Corey Patterson for the next 5 years, while Rasmus could be Edmonds in Toronto

Hey, it could happen. I’m just asking questions.

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions

you're not asking any questions.

that would be constructive.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions

It was doing Glen Beck

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Just because we can't see the future doesn't mean we can't make predictions.

To say we don’t know if this is a bad trade for the future is either speciously overstated ambiguity in the service of a pro Larussa narrative, or nonsensical Joe six pack fan gibberish in the same league as “get a brain, morans”

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Aug 1, 2011 10:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

yeah, it was a stupid comment

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Why do you think so?

The stats above show we have improved our starting pitching, improved our relief corp, and gotten rid of some bad players. The center field position is no worse for now. (it Has the potential to be worse, but not now) Where are your facts?

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Aug 1, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions

i think our win expectancy -1

immediately after the trade.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

How is that calculated?

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Aug 1, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

it was on BP i believe,

i havent had time to look, didnt mean to just throw some meaningless stat out there.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

That simple, is it? Someone should have informed Mo!

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

The centerfield is assuredly worse

As Rasmus projects better than Jay going forward, and by going forward, I mean this year. In addition to that, Jay being the starting centerfielder means that Corey Patterson takes Jay’s former spot.

So yes, the rotation and bullpen are upgraded, but the outfield is downgraded.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm fatigued by the bullshit cheerleading for what is, at best, an unnecessary trade.

The cherry picked stats fail to show that we failed to address the team’s biggest weakness, gave up an above average cost controlled player at a premium position who we were on the verge of extending before a 66 year old man-child decided he needed to talk more shit to the press, fail to account for the minuses of Corey Patterson and skippy the RF, and incorrectly conclude that the team is better after a week in which they have played like shit against the worst teams in baseball and are gunning for third place.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Aug 1, 2011 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

So is this.

Why bother making a comment if you’re not going to back it up with any actual argument?

I know people around VEB like to think their opinion is self-explanatory, but every time someone says something that you vehemently disagree with it proves this not to be the case.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs

Colby Rasmus is batting .240

therefore
Colby Rasmus sucks.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Aug 1, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Its not about Colby

We improved our team while giving up something we didn’t need right now.

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Aug 1, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

You would think

my opinion is self-explanatory but I suppose not.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Aug 1, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Colby doesn't suck

But Colby was sucking.

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Aug 1, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I know

The comment I made was more appropriate to call stupid than yours.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Aug 1, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Why bother rehashing the argument of the last week by concluding in advance

That the team is better despite the fact that all reasonable analysis in addition to the team’s play is contradictory to that point?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Aug 1, 2011 10:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

This would have been a way better response to Remember Kenny B's post

It wasn’t hard to provide that short description of your disagreement. You were just being lazy.

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by mattybobo on Aug 2, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

His comment was much better than this one.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

My one liner is bigger than your one liner.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Aug 1, 2011 10:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Here's an article to backup your viewpoint

I’d still rather have not had to trade Rasmus (or Jay for that matter), but this is at least a positive look at it.

by stlfan on Aug 1, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Isn't linking to Bleacher Report against the community guidelines?

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

It should be

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions

McClellan

What’s going wrong with this guy? His last 2 outings have been horrible!

by WoodenCrawdad on Aug 1, 2011 8:31 AM EDT reply actions

We shouldn't be surprised

McClellan in the bullpen prior to 2011 always was hit and miss. Hey, every bullpen has to have its Miguel Batista, the one guy you don’t want to see get the ball in the seventh with runners on but always seems to.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 1, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions

to be fair

he looked bulletproof in the first inning. He mad one mistake pitch to Soriano, a low strike over the middle of the plate to a low-ball hitter.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions

This.

He looked great that first inning, and that pitch to Soriano wasn’t awful. I think he will be fine.

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 1, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Well

when you throw Alfonso Soriano low fastballs in the strike zone they tend to get deposited in the seats.

There’s no reason to ever throw him a fastball for a strike. None. Never. Yet pitchers continue to do so. His career would probably be over if people would just pitch him away with the fastball off the plate and sliders in the dirt.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Amen

Thought the same thing when he homered against Lohse. Just give him he won’t be able to hit, and he’ll strike himself out on it.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Why would anybody

ever throw Soriano anything other than slow breaking balls

by ridgesee on Aug 1, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

I think you need to change his eye level occasionally

But that doesn’t mean the fastball needs to be a strike. He’s not a good high ball hitter, and he flails at anything away, so throw him fastballs up and away out of the zone, nibble the outside up half of the strike zone, and then get him out with sliders in the dirt.

FWIW — the ’91 Twins proved that you could get David Justice out just about every time by pounding him with hard breaking stuff down and in and fastballs up and away, and he went on to play and be a successful hitter for another decade.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions

That'll work

but pitchers that can throw good slow breaking stuff can eat him up. Mc Cellan should be able to.

by ridgesee on Aug 1, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions

You throw a fastball at eye level

he’ll bite a certain percentage of the time.

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

It's shocking that teams don't throw him nothing but breaking balls

PJ Walters, who is not all that great, made him look terrible a few years ago by bouncing sliders in the wrong batters box. Didn’t matter… Soriano thought he could get wood on it anyway.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 1, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

this is just screaming for a

TWSS

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Was it a fastball?

Looked like a slider to me (maybe a cutter, though the difference is more or less semantics). And in a pretty good spot. Soriano just hit it.

I know we like to harp on K-Mac for sucking because he kinda sucks, but that looked like a pretty decent pitch to me.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

It was a decent pitch to anybody else but a low-ball hitter.

That’s Soriano’s wheelhouse. Dude thinks he’s playing golf.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions

So does that suggest that all of these people calling for only breaking pitches to Soriano

Would prefer that we throw him high sliders?

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Look at where they are calling for them.

Sliders in the dirt, dude can’t hit them, can’t lay off them. He also swings at high fastballs. The guy is Vlad Guerrero without the bad ball hitter part. The pitch he tagged was at the knees and over the plate, pretty much the worst place to put one to Soriano.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

nah, it was a fatball

thigh high in the middle pretty much

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...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Aug 1, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought it was a little lower than that.

they had it right on the bottom line of the strike zone. Placement could’ve been wrong though.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Okay fine, make me prove you wrong

87 MPH slider.
Knee-high, maybe a little lower.

You can argue that it wasn’t a good pitch because Soriano hits pitches well there or whatever, but you can’t argue it was a thigh-high fastball.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions

heh

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

He's angry for being demoted to the bullpen, of course

and it shows up in his pitching.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 1, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok damn I didn't know about Sanchez being on the 60 day DL

I guess it makes sense if he’s shut down but it’s kinda scary.

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 8:42 AM EDT reply actions

We originally DL'd him on June 16

I don’t think rehab starts count as reactivating him, so he should be eligible to come off again in mid-August. It doesn’t look good, but this could just be a convenience-driven move that means less than we think.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions

Jered Weaver might have cost himself the Cy Young with his shenanigans yesterday

Missing what I assume will be 2+ starts in August gon’ hurt. (At least he should miss 2 starts. He threw at a guy’s head and there isn’t a conceivable defense he could use)

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions

i've only seen it twice

but it looked to be well over the guys head.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions

It was right at his head if he didn't duck

Even so, if he’s aiming 6 inches above his head, is that any better?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions

well yeah

The guy makes his living by aiming a ball with a quarter of an inch accuracy. A ball six inches above his head isn’t in any danger of hitting a guy.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions

Are you kidding me?

You think pitchers have 1/4 of an inch accuracy? The only reason he got shown up in the first place is because he definitely, definitely does not have 1/4 of an inch, or 6 inch accuracy. I don’t mean to be so aggressive, but to say that he even has +/- 6 inch accuracy is insanity. If he has 1/4 inch accuracy, what in the world are all those pitches middle-middle doing?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Is joke?

Hit me up on Google+

by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions

what?

That a ball half a foot above someone’s head isn’t going to hit him?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

No, that a pitcher aiming six inches above a batter's head isn't in any danger of hitting him

Hit me up on Google+

by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

no more than he is aiming six lower at his shoulders blades

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not advocating he throw it there, either!

Generally I don’t like pitchers intentionally throwing anywhere at a batter, but I’d prefer if he aimed at the hip or thigh

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by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

The hip or thigh of Guillen being the preferred target...

just think if Aviles took one off the face and never played again a la Dickie Thon.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

You don't throw at someones head to make a point

You drill them in the back, right between the numbers. Then they KNOW that it wasn’t a mistake. FWIW — I think he was well within his rights to drill Avila after the showboating done by Guillen. Although his best remedy might have been to stand at home plate waiting for Guillen to round the bases, and then pummelling him right after he touches home plate. At least then you’re getting the right guy.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions

Shouldn't have even waited for him

he should have challenged Guillen as soon as he started his shenanigans.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Weaver brought all that on himself.

Magglio’s HR was not showmanship. He was staring to see if it stayed fair. He did absolutely nothing wrong, but Weaver stared at him ALL the way around the bases. Guillen obviously escalated things, but this is on Weaver. Ironically, its something I can easily see Carp doing.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Disagree

Why is Ordonez standing at the plate? It’s either fair or foul, so jog halfway down the line, and if it’s foul you come back, pick up your bat, and get ready for the next pitch. Standing there is pure laziness and it could easily be taken the wrong way by the pitcher if the ball is fair.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Pujols maybe the biggest poser in MLB

No one ever says anything about him staring.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

He has "earned that right"

or some BS. Personally, I like to see Berk or guys like Rolen and Ludwick who drop the bat and get around the bases.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

pretty much.

it saves a lot of trouble.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Albert doesn't just stand there when he's staring.

He, at least, starts walking down the line.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions

Albert poses for a poster every time he hits a dinger or warning track fly ball

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions

that's your opinion, generator

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions

INFALLIBLE opinion

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

This is unequivocally false.

I’ve never seen Albert stand at home plate for more than a couple of seconds before running down the line. Ordonez stood there for the entire flight of the ball that was fair by a good 5 feet. He then gets around the bases quickly.

I’d rather he didn’t watch at all personally. I’d rather he just drop the bat, run the bases, and get back to the dugout. Let the game continue.

But he’s certainly not Rickey Henderson out there, which might have been the last time anyone showed up a pitcher as much as Guillen did yesterday.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

Albert is a bit of an admirerer of his handiwork.

but he doesn’t seem to be showing up the pitcher or anything. And it is NOTHING like what Guillen did. That was ludicrous. It has also never seemed to piss off a pitcher enough to challenge the giant-headed wrath of Matt Holliday. Good goodness, could you imagine Lego charging the mound?!?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions

I imagine it would look something like this:

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions

Oh.

well that’s not very intimidating at all!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

Im not/wasnt defending Guillen, nor was I comparing Guillen to Albert.

I was stating that Ordonez had reason to stare bc the ball was hooking. I dont think he showed up Weaver in any unusual way. Ive seen Albert watch his bombs in similar fashion many times.

I completely agree that Guillen was showing up Weaver. I completely agree that Avila should have expected to get beaned. However, if Weaver hadnt stared Ordonez down, Guillen doesnt do any of this IMO.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions

Not that I think it would look like this, but.

When you shouldnt charge the mound

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 1, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Also

Given that Albert does start slowly and watch his home runs, I have noticed that he definitely picks up the pace after that. He’s not doing some sort of slow taunting trot out there. I at least appreciate that he doesn’t waste much time getting around the bases.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

it's all in who it's pointed at. (body language, basement-dwellers.)

I actually think Yadi’s trot is more potentially incendiary. But I think opponents see him and think that’s the first time he’s really run in weeks, let him enjoy chugging around.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

well they see him running around grounders and think he's sprinting.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions

apparently he has hops, too.

we’re all so proud.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions

The only time I can think of this happening

is when Albert showed up Oliver Perez and he apologized immediately after the game.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 1, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions

He once threw his bat dramatically after a HR.

The sad catcher game against the Nats two years ago.

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by spants on Aug 1, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Barry Bonds would like a word.

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by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Biggest?

Hahaha.

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Furthermore

Do high school players do this? Do college ones? How about minor league players? Bryce Harper’s been getting all kinds of shit for pulling shenanigans like this at the minor league level, but because Guillen is a “classy veteran” he can get away with it because Weaver didn’t “show respect” to his teammate?

How much hypocrisy is there in the fact that the way you demonstrate that you haven’t felt respected is to then disrespect the other guy? Perhaps none of you should worry about being “respected” and just respect the game and the fans instead. Quit your dick posturing and just get on with the game.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs

Rec'd for correct usage of

dick posturing

by NoWayMan! on Aug 1, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

yes, well i did. i was the biggest poser in HS & i sucked

i hit HR’s that went foul or balls to the warning track & i watched them all from the batters box or slowing walked out of the box holding the bat. i tried to copy Bonds HR walk/pose only i never got to do it. all i ever wanted to in HS was date a cheerleader, dunk the ball in a game & hit a home run. i never got to do any of them. epic fail

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions

I did two of three.

Never dated a cheerleader because ours were all skanks.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 1, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions

two out of three ain't bad

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 2, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

If the ball is either gone fair or gone foul, I don't really see the point of jogging halfway down the line

Just so that Jered Weaver won’t get his panties in a bunch about your proximity to his home plate.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

(I should add that I don't actually know how close the ball was to being foul.)

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Even if you discount the staring

(which is silly) you’ve still got the pointing and the skipping. Obviously, the umpire was right there and knew it was a problem.

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

are you talking about Guillen?

I didnt see Ordonez skip or point. I saw Guillen do that, but that was in response to Weaver staring down Ordonez previously, for no reason.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Weaver overreacted to the Ordonez thing

Hitters admire homeruns, I get it. FWIW I don’t buy the whole “he was just seeing if it was fair or foul” thing from MLBN Harold Reynolds.

The Guillen thing was the most bush-league bullshit I’ve ever seen. If Carp had been on the mound, like a previous poster suggested, I would have expected him to beat the shit out of Guillen as he rounded first base.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions

and I would have loved it.

Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
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by BVHeck on Aug 1, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd be really surprised

if he gets a suspension that does more than push a start back a day. I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing comes of it.

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by ol Pete on Aug 1, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions

I doubt that he was a serious candidate anyway.

Verlander, Beckett, and CC are turning in better seasons and all play within the vicinity of the East Coast Media Bias.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm sorry, but did you SEE the showboating done by Guillen before the Avila AB?

I guess if I was Weaver, I would have been standing at home plate waiting for him to get there instead of throwing at the next hitter. That was the biggest bush league showboating I’ve seen in quite a while, and it was clearly meant to rub Weaver’s face in it. Guillen did everything possible to show him up after that homer.

I’m not much for headhunting, but Weaver would have been within his rights to drill Avila right between the numbers. You don’t show up pitchers like that. Period.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions

30 years ago

the Avila probably would’ve been more pissed at Gullien because he would’ve known he was going to get before he stepped into the box

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions

going to get popped*

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

I’d be interested to see joker’s reaction to this if it was Bob Gibson instead of Jared Weaver.

Ballplayers today, especially hitters, are a bunch of showboating pansies. And Selig has done more to instigate the kind of behavior that Guillen displayed on Saturday by immediately warning benches after one guy gets hit. It used to be that if you show me up, the next guy is going to get a bruise. Then your pitcher gets one of my guys, and everything is fine. But now we have ejections, multiple guys getting hit, guys charging the mound after getting a retaliation HBP. It’s ludicrous. Don’t showboat — put your fucking head down and run the damn bases.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions

pretty much.

the pitcher’s are at a certain disadvantage anymore. Even with the recent depression of offensive numbers. In that they really can’t work the inside anymore, at least not like they used to. In some ways it’s good, in some ways it’s bad. Used to, if a guy was crowding the plate, you bust him inside to back him off. unless he just doesn’t mind getting beat up. You have less guys getting hurt, but the pitchers have one less weapon to use.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Do you think Guillen shows up Chris Carpenter like that?

And if he does, how do you expect Carp to react?*

*I, for one, would expect Carpenter to tackle him as he rounded first base and the beat him senseless with the base itself while screaming “I don’t give a FUCK”. And then apologize for it later.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

And, continuing on this point

We just had 2 days of debate over whether Matt Holliday’s slide on Saturday was “within the spirit of the rules”. Yes, of course it was. He needs to be able to touch the base, which he clearly could. His responsibility as a baserunner is to ensure that the infielder at the bag not be able to turn a double play.

In what universe is that play dirty? Had Castro turned the double play anyway, we’d not have heard a word about it I imagine. But since it was an effective tactic now it’s dirty? Please.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions

It's a dirty play in Boby Valentine's universe.

I couldn’t believe that when I heard him say it. The first thought that went thru my head was, ‘You didn’t learn the same game I did.’ We used to learn how to break one up in LL. And if you were the MIF, you knew it was coming and you learned to turn it faster. The game has really become homogenized and not quite as entertaining. You didn’t used to see brawls in baseball. If you did, then something really egregious took place. Now guys start fights over not much at all.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Bobby V would've been OK with it if Holliday

was wearing a disguise.

by Ghostrider520 on Aug 1, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Considering that Bobby Vee

was known for hard slides and balls out play as a player, his opinion last night seemed a bit hypocritical.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions

heh

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Bobby Valentine also said

players call a bad bounce a “lip ball” because if you aren’t careful it will hit you in the lip. Idiot.

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by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions

I saw a kid get hit in the forehead with one of those.

knocked him out cold

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

Bobby Valentine also said Jay was an upgrade in CF.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

that's how I learned which way to turn my glove. I never forgot it.

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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

The whole issue with whether the play was "dirty"

didn’t have to do with “taking Castro out,” it had to do with spiking Castro half-way up the shin with a running kick five feet outside of the basepath.

This was not a “standard” take-out of a SS trying to turn the double play. This was not simply a hard slide into 2B. If it were, of course, then Quade wouldn’t have argued and gotten tossed and Valentine wouldn’t still be talking about it.

I’m fine with Holliday’s play, but what is the point of mischaraterizing what happened and why it is an issue?

Holliday took out the SS on a questionable play – it was aggressive, it could have caused injury…and the slide greatly helped the Cards win the game. Fine. If I were managing the Cubs, Holliday would’ve gotten drilled in the ribs in his next at-bat.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

The slide was slightly Shelly Duncan-esque

Though not nearly as bad

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Yep I agree.

They should have just put one right between the numbers and then it should have been over.

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by hittmeier on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

maybe he shouldn't have thrown his leg out in the manner that he did.

but he was still within the rules, in that he could still touch the base. and I would call it ‘throwing his leg out’ as opposed to a ‘kick’. If you kick, it’s usually aimed at somebody or thing with a purpose. My point was that it wasn’t a dirty play. He wasn’t intentionally trying to hurt Castro and he didn’t run out of the basepaths to get to Castro, therefor it wasn’t a dirty play. Just maybe inadvisable idea.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions

I would recommend checking the replay.

he didn’t run out of the basepaths to get to Castro

IMO, he did. He was aiming directly to take out Catsro. He literally was sliding away from the bag to get him.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17480089

I would call it ‘throwing his leg out’ as opposed to a ‘kick’. If you kick, it’s usually aimed at somebody or thing with a purpose.

The first sentence is an impressive level of parsing/semantics. In any event, I’d recommed looking at the replay. Holliday aimed his leg away from the bag, with a purpose, and the purpose was to hit Castro in the lower leg.

Whether you want to call that “dirty” – that’s up to each person as each person has their own definition of that term. As for whether it was “inadvisable” – I’d say it was “advisable” because it worked. I’d still have drilled Holliday in the ribs if I were the Cubs.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions

how was he sliding away from the bag when he ended up behind the bag?

He was still on a straight line and his hand went over the bag? I’m not arguing about the Cubs pov. If I were Quade, I would’ve argued it and Holliday would’ve gotten drilled. I’m arguing BV calling it dirty 24+hrs later. There is a difference. Dirty is ill-intent and I don’t think that Holliday had any ill-intent beyond breaking up the play.

The first sentence is an impressive level of parsing/semantics.

I’ll take that as a compliment coming from a lawyer.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I said that wrong.

Holliday had not ill-intent and his only purpose was to break up the play, not injure Castro.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd call it

blatantly within the rules, old school, hard nosed baseball, almost borderline and productive. No different than intentionally drilling him in the ribs…had they done that later.
If fielders are allowed the “neighborhood play” then runners should be able to take them out, as long as they can reach the bag. The bag was within reach, even though his hand went down behind it.
So if somebody gets drilled later, they should just go to first without further ado.

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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions

He was not out of the basepath

Does a player hooksliding around the catcher at home plate “leave the basepath?” if he can still touch the plate. No, he doesn’t. It seems to me that you’re parsing the rule with the context of the play. The rule is that the runner is entitled to slide into any area that is around the bag as long as he is able to touch the base, the context of the play doesn’t change this.

Of course he’s trying to break up the double play. That’s his job on this play. He didn’t leave the basepath to do it, as I summarized above. I’m not sure what your argument for this being anything other than a standard hard slide is exactly.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Does he have to slide at all? Can a player just slam into a guy? Is there anything in the rules about spiking anyone at any level? Wouldn’t it be legal to run into him and try and spike him in the face?

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by ol Pete on Aug 1, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

if he ran right into him, it would be interference, i imagine

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by IHeartBoog on Aug 1, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

the runner is entitled to the base, isn't he?

and it’s up to the fielder to get out of the way or be bowled over. Is that right?

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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

mostly

if the fielder doesn’t have the ball, he can be called for interference if a collision occurs in the basepaths. If he does have the ball, and is blocking the base, he’s fair game for running over.

In this case, Castro was far enough out of the basepath that, had Holliday run right at him, he (Holliday) would almost certainly have been called for interference.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 1, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Quade getting tossed is irrelevant to this discussion.

If anything, Quade should be more upset that his young SS allowed a run to score on the play while he was nursing himself behind the second base bag. Or the fact that his pitching staff and defense can’t make any outs after getting spotted a 5 run lead.

His tirade was much more about motivation for his team than this particular play. Bobby Cox was the same way.

I watch Quade get tossed at least twice when he was with Iowa, and both times came when his team was playing lackadaisically and without focus.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions

The slide was dirty because his cleat was in the air

It had nothing to do with how close he was to the bag. I don’t think Holliday did it on purpose, but if you’re ripping up someone’s shins with your metal spikes, you’re sliding dirty.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

If you are getting paid millions of dollars to play baseball

And you feel the need to retaliate by throwing a baseball at 92 mph at someone’s head because they hurt your precious little feelings, you should then be forced to sit in your room for about 15 games. It’s reckless, career ending bullshit Weaver is playing with there.

I wonder how you’d react if Avila charged the mound with bat in hand and took a swing 2 inches over Weaver’s head. It’s identical in danger.

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by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Duh.

Avila is a professional hitter. If he swung and missed by 2 inches, Weaver wouldn’t have been in danger of getting hit.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

He'd be safe as long as he held really still

it’s when you move that you can get hurt.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

I wonder how you’d react if Avila charged the mound with bat in hand and took a swing 2 inches over Weaver’s head. It’s identical in danger.

That’s really just not true. The helmet protects fairly well against an object of a baseball’s mass. Pitcher’s done wear helmets, and bats are bigger than baseballs. Seems a bit hyperbolic to equate them.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

wow

Pitcher’s done —> Pitchers don’t

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

You're right

Still though, if Weaver was batting for some reason and had a helmet, Avila charges him and takes a swing 2 inches over his head, we’d be okay with this?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

No, but there are obvious differences

Baseballs to the helmet rarely cause damage — in fact, they often don’t even hurt. Plus, a batter assumes a certain risk of that kind of thing by standing in a batter’s box with someone throwing the ball in his general direction every time he comes to the plate.

I’m not condoning throwing at anyone’s head, but I find the comparison of that to swinging a bat at someone’s head fairly disingenuous.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Baseballs to the helmet don't cause damage?

Ask David Wright about that one. I’d imagine a 92 mph fastball actually has more energy than even a baseball bat swing.

Regardless that’s not even the point, Weaver is being a reckless, petulant child and should be treated like one.

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by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions

if Weaver wanted to hit him he would have hit him.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions

So again, I assume Weaver wanted to throw a fastball down the dick letting Carlos Guillen show him up?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Got a link?

I gotta go look for this.

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

This is why I hate baseball's unwritten rules

Why does the pitcher have the right to hit some other guy for what his teammate did? Baseball’s a loooong slog, Weaver will have his chance to hit Guillen if he wants to. Then to make up for it, the other team gets to randomly hit one of your guys? What the (&^)((*&)( sense does that make?

IMO, if you don’t want to be shown up, don’t let the guy throw a home run. How dumb would it be in the NFL if your cornerback got torched for a touchdown and the appropriate response was for the cornerback to take out a random lineman’s knees the next play?

And I don’t want to get started on the bunting/no-hitter thing.

by fightin'_eyerash on Aug 1, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

it makes sense because in a long slog, you have to see these guys again. and again. and they get traded into your team. and then you see them again.

the “unwritten rules” crap is really to ensure the etiquette that the public is not generally shown. and because they are not wearing pads, and are regularly around two objects (three if you count the human body) which can be demonstrably lethal. the only thing keeping them from being lethal is that everyone remembers that. the enforcement has to be informal, because if it becomes formal, holy Bud, it’s going to be giant pads for everything.

in the NFL, that aggression is automatically burned off in the field. in the MLB, all that aggression doesn’t go anywhere. you are depending on everyone on the field, no matter where they’re from or if they speak the language, opponents included, to stick to the behavior everybody expects.

you don’t have to like it, but there are definite reasons it’s been the “unwritten rules” for well over a hundred years. hell, it was even worse a hundred years ago.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions

and

in the NFL there are retaliations as well. People get targeted and get their bell rung.

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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t think it was showboating at all. It was mocking Weaver for being a baby.

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by ol Pete on Aug 1, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Have you SEEN the research on concussions that has dominated the sports health headlines for the past 5 years?

You throw at someone’s head, you should get 10-15 games. It’s not acceptable. Bob Gibson, Pedro Martinez or Chuck Norris, you’re a fucking idiot if you throw at someone’s head today and he needs to be sent a message.

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by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

yea...pretty much.

its a career/life threatening thing to do….you don’t end someones career because his teammate was acting like a child

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Carlos Guillen basically got his Aviles thrown at...

Weaver threw at his head. While beaning the next batter had to be expected. Weaver should not be throwing at a dude’s head.

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by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

oh and i apparently just threw at the english language's head...

need more coffe.

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by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Seems like Verlander has that thing in his pocket anyway...

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions

roster/payroll table updated

after the Furcal trade.

if you want a larger image, then click here.

The Cardinals pay only 1.4M of Furcal’s remaining salary.

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by FreeRedbird on Aug 1, 2011 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs

Yeah,

Pretty damn good deal all the way around.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions

boy that lohse contract

is looking better and better every day…

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by cschepers on Aug 1, 2011 10:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Just think

We could be spending that money on Edwin Jackson, or Chris Carpenter, or Lance Berkman in 2012. But we’ll be spending it on Kyle Lohse.

Lohse should donate half his salary to charity, since he’s charitably only been worth half his entire 4 year contract.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions

In terms of making room

I would feel pretty safe moving the Kozmanaut throw waivers. Anyone else on here who could/should go down that road if Sanchez comes back or we otherwise want to make room?

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions

samuel, hamilton and reifer don't have much business on the 40-man

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions

or anderson, if they're not gonna use him

but i bet he gets claimed. wish they’d just trade him already

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

I’d dump Samuel before Kozma, he has no place in the organization really.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions

not sure I'd chance moving reifer off.

but the others, not much loss.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions

i'd put him on the 60-day DL

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions

yeah. sorry. I agree with that part.

Was thinking that they already had.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions

that * at the bottom is why I love sport contracts

we’ll be paying Matt Holliday $2million/year to almost 2030.

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by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

it's his retirement plan

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by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

It's not quite Bobby Bonilla-esque, but it'll do

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Matt's gotta have his walking around money

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

he needs some money to count after his playing days too.

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by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

I think I have a little Excel-man-crush on you

Thanks for the excellent info.

by YearOfGlad on Aug 1, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions

With the exception of Pujols, we're pretty set up for the future at almost every position

And that will be figured out soon.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

125 million?!

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions

So, Walrus has been busted down to AAA.

First baseman Brett Wallace and third baseman Chris Johnson were told upon returning to Houston from a 10-game road trip that they were optioned to Class AAA Oklahoma City.

"The players who experience long-term success at this level are the ones who, when the league adjusts, they adjust back," general manager Ed Wade said. "We certainly, from the standpoint of ability, believe that both CJ and Brett will be good, solid big league players for a long time. But we think a 300-at-bat test this year indicated that they needed more time.

Not sure how they’re supposed to adjust to big-league pitching in the minors.

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by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions

and it's not like Houston is getting hurt by them playing everyday.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions

The Carlos Lee deal strikes again!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions

Can't everyone see what this CLEARLY is?

It’s an effort on the part of the Astros to lose as many games as possible while also reserving as many possible years of cost control for the players that they will count on to anchor the franchise as they rebuild.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Baseball needs a draft lottery.

Teams need the ability to trade draft picks as well. And this bush league toying around with player’s cost-controlled seasons is not only anti-competitive, it’s immoral as well. You can’t possibly come up with a valid argument that the Astros are a better team without those two players.

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by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions

It's like they put the system together with absolutely no idea that teams would ever try to exploit loopholes

It just seems so naive in retrospect.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions

kind like the tax system

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions

Those two players are non-tender candidates waiting to happen...

and if you look at how many service days they have, a 30 or 60 day stint in the minors won’t change anything.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

Wallace has also been a disaster. .220 .302 .305 with a .297 BABIP since May 4.

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by joker24 on Aug 1, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

you need to regress his BABIP to .310

teehee.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, I am painfully, painfully aware.

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by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

My goodness

My friends who are Astros fans are either basketball fans or soccer fans first, baseball second. But still. I am starting to really feel for them.

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by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Chris Johnson sucks, so no loss there. They could cut him and it'd be fine. His defense and strikezone judgment are atrocious.

As for Wallace, I think he will adjust and be a good ML hitter. They should play him every day at 1B. However, if the Astros are doing this just to grab another cost-controlled year, fine. This season is lost anyway.

Also, this makes room for another prospect to play the outfield while Lee plays 1B. (of course, Brad MIlls will probably do something stupid like play Jason Michaels every day in LF)

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions

He can take solace in the fact that his thighs aren't as fat as Heath Bell's

by peppermartin on Aug 1, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry kid, you can't hack it on the worst team in Major League Baseball

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by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

ouch

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I blame last night's outcome on the guy behind me

He kept tempting the GOB by saying things such as “OH PERFECT GAME STILL INTACT” after the Descalso spin throw, or “OH YEAH PERFECT GAME BABY” after the deflected ball off of Freese’s glove that was picked up by Descalso, or “OH WELL AT LEAST HE’S STILL GOT THE NO HITTER!!!!.”

I also blame the girl he was with. After every foul ball: “THAT’S NOT THE DIRECTION YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO HIT IT!!!!”

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions

Id like to see a game log of Westbrooks season

it seems like everyone could see that inning coming. I was surprised TLR didnt have anyone up, it seems to happen that way every start.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Westbrook

is basicly a five inning pitcher and does not throw well from the stretch. If he pitches well in the early innings and keeps runners off base and can pitch mostly from windup, he might go six. But from the from the fifth inning on if he gets two runners on you better be ready to pull him because he can lose it as fast as anybody I have seen. He has a hard time keeping the ball down with sink on it from the stretch.

by ridgesee on Aug 1, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions

+1

Everything is up when he throws from the stretch. EVERYTHING. And that’s what got him in trouble last night.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Does Westbrook warm up in the stretch position

or from the windup? I would think a starting pitcher who consistently runs into trouble with runners on might consider warming up from the stretch, if for no other reason than to be comfortable.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 1, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

This is why I limit my attendance of baseball games.

I’d much rather watch at home, on television, with my army of knowledgeable baseball fans on Twitter.

It’s also why I avoid game threads like the plague.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Aug 1, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

We're not always so bad in the game threads!

CodyG and his rec compadres kinda de-railed things last night.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

when things go bad, I like to lighten up the place

sorry.

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by CodyG on Aug 1, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Freese got jobbed!

They call that a homer, and I’d have beat you last week.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions

didn't the soriano HR put you in the lead?

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by CodyG on Aug 1, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

nevermind, we were tied with a tie in HRs last i looked

so now i’m not sure what tied it up.

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by CodyG on Aug 1, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions

You picked up a start yesterday that didn't show up till later in the evening.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions

ok, thanks jered weaver!

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by CodyG on Aug 1, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

hey, c'mon, gamethreads have to be better than twitter

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

it's pretty much the same if you follow the right people.

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by CodyG on Aug 1, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

i’m not gonna make loads of pointless tweets like “WOOOOOOO”

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Headphones man...

headphones…

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 1, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

The girl I was with was even pissed

“I don’t get to watch many games, but even I know you don’t fucking talk about a perfect-game or no-hitter, you see it, you acknowledge it in your head, and you continue watching.”

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

It's common knowledge...

the moment people start neglecting superstitions is the moment the world implodes…

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 1, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions

well at least the girl was correct...

we at VEB are such snobs!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions

My favorite line from her had to be:

“YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO HIT THE BALL”

No shit Sherlock.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions

I absolutely lose it when people say....

“Why would he hit a line-drive right at him?!”

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions

you mean those balls aren't wire-guided?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions

Everyone would have such high BABIP!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions

Facts plz

Was she hot?

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

The girl behind me, or the one with me

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions

both

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 1, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions

You only mention the one behind you

in the post. See, I’m trying not to be completely obnoxious, here, so I didn’t ask about the girl you were with out of “respect.” hahahah

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

Ha, well they were both hot

But it doesn’t change how I feel about the girl behind me. I wonder if when she’s having sex with the guy who brought her she says “NO YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT THIS WAY” or “YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO PUT IT HERE NOT THERE”

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

i don't think babip plays so well in that situation...

Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.

by BVHeck on Aug 1, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Right because I'm sure the hitters were confused about where the ball should wind up...

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 1, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

why didn't you kill them?

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions

One of the best things at the game last night

Was during some half-innings they showed interviews with various Cardinals players about the upcoming Matt Holliday bobblehead.

Most common response: Head is life-sized, but the forearms need to be bigger.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions

wow, even the players comment on this head?

That’s hilarious.

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

IT IS TREMENDOUS.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

My term is "preposterous"

But apparently it’s an Oklahoma thing.

by YearOfGlad on Aug 1, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions

joe sports fan is the best

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions

My parents are going to that to get me a bobble head.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Aug 1, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

You know what's great?

I just started at my new firm, and all of my appointments for the day cancelled. As of right now, I literally have nothing to do for the entire day.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions

hey everyone, let's think of things for Sheckie to do

to put questionable things in his search history!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions

Find a way to get rid of Patterson

That should occupy most of your day

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

It should probably include the search terms "nude photos" "Bud Selig" and "Harry Potter Imperius"

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Aug 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions

2 birds with one stone

Investigate your company’s web proxy, see what it allows and doesn’t allow. Once you find the websites it doesn’t allow, call in a help desk request asking that they be allowed.

by sdrone on Aug 1, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Coincidentally, I was looking up info on Corey Patterson.

This picture is apparently right after he crop-dusted someone.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Typical lawyer bs

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions

search westlaw for "unconscionable" and "low on base percentage."

Prove that any baseball ticket advance purchased for a game in which corey patterson plays is a voidable contract on unconscionability grounds.

Send a demand letter to the front office threatening to file a class action on behalf of ticket holders over the last week, demanding reimbursement for all tickets sold unless patterson is released.

Profit.

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by tom s. on Aug 1, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 14 recs

I assume their is no such precedent in the Canadian legal system.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 1, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Had to rec

This deserves to be green

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Aug 1, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions

ooh, ooh,

so I may not be stuck with those tickets for the Sunday game with the Rocks ‘cause stupid FESPN had them move the game to night and now I won’t have time to get home after the game for the first day of school on Monday?

Sweet!

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 1, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions

you should never buy sunday tickets

until the sunday night game has been announced, unless you can attend a night game.

who let the cards out?

by adiueordie on Aug 1, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Solid feel-good background story about Furcal

I’m still bitter about Rasmus trade, but I approve of Furcal.

He’s no Boog, but if he’s this kind of a good guy he gets a few mulligans in my book.

Chemistry doesn’t matter, unless nobody likes you, or nobody respects you. Can’t imagine those being the case with Furcal, FWIW:

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/dodger-thoughts/post/_/id/15475/rafael-furcals-legacy-in-the-dominican-republic

by YearOfGlad on Aug 1, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions

Oh yeah - I remember the story about the firetruck

maybe he and Pujols can try to out-charity one other.

by peppermartin on Aug 1, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions

in the sitcom, Yadi rolls his eyes and just grins.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

He's a pretty awesome guy really.

I don’t know of anyone with a bad word to say about him.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 1, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait, firetruck?

AWESOME. I now totally approve of Furcal no matter how he plays on the field! (I’m an EMT/Firefighter)

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by mtzxc on Aug 1, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

And now the Fireman/Geek in me is coming out:

Decent little truck. Looks to be a mid 1980’s Seagrave.

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by mtzxc on Aug 1, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

With all the talk

you hear every Cardinal telecast from the booth about the potency of the “big three” in the middle of the lineup it has not really come together this year due to injuries and slumps of the said big boppers. (Pujols and now Holiday)

Hey, this better come together soon or we’ll be watching Milwaukee in the playoffs. Milwaukee’s pitching has really come together and their closer is as good as it gets in the Central. I am not really confident at all. This team better show up in Milwaukee tonight. to me it’s crunch time.

by ridgesee on Aug 1, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions

agreed

Holliday, in particular, seems to be in somewhat of a funk recently. His post-all star break line of .245/.377/.367 has only one number approaching what we expect of him. Everyone is busting him inside with fastballs, he’s taking way too many of those for called strikes, and he hasn’t made a correction yet.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 1, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions

pretty small sample size, and i'm guessing his BABIP is in the toilet

I’m not worried about Holliday.

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Even if they don't lose this series versus Milwaukee

I still like Milwaukee in the division going forward. With their staff, lineup, and end of the bullpen, they are not as likely as St. Louis to slip up against teams like the Astros, Cubs, and Pirates, and games against those teams will be how the division is won.

That’s why I was glad to see Atlanta lose yesterday. Wildcard is where it’s at.

by olddomination on Aug 1, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Milwaukee has been worse against the bottom teams in the division.

Divisional records
MIL 26-17
STL 25-20
PIT 24-16

Against each other…
MIL 9-2
STL 5-7
PIT 3-8

Against the basement (CIN, CHI, HOU)
MIL 15-15
STL 20-13
PIT 21-8

(Reposted from last night)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Something weird is going on here - this is in addition to the fact that their home/away record is so skewed

I’m convinced that Bud Selig has a remote controlled laser beam installed somewhere in Miller Park that he uses blind opposing batters. I bet he also uses the laser to draw imaginary circles around people’s nipples. The bastard!

by peppermartin on Aug 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions

There have been rumors about stealing signs with an unauthorized camera in right center field,

Don’t know if there is any truth to them, May be just sore losers crying,

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by bbfanatic on Aug 1, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

At what point

can we just issue catchers, pitchers, managers and coaches cell phones so they can text signs to each other?

You wouldn’t need a camera to steal signs. You’d need the NSA.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

How many games do we have remaining against Milwaukee?

by bailorg on Aug 1, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions

12. 6 here, 6 there.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I want to win 8 of them.

At least.

by Stanley1 on Aug 1, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I want to win 'em all

by peppermartin on Aug 1, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Aug 1, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Lego's been in a funk since the all star game

it’s called the curse of the home run derby. i never want to see another Cardinal do that stupid thing ever again

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Just gotta say

I’m loving the jerk off fest between Marecek and Strauss on twitter right now. Seriously, why don’t those two get a room

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions

glad i missed that

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

After evaluating the deadline for a day

I have decided that the Bourn trade was the best and the Jiminez trade was the worst

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 1, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

Rasmus

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Eh

I coming around in it

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 1, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

STAY ANGRY!

FIRE TLR

by Oedipa Maas on Aug 1, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions

At least they followed up

By patching over their biggest offseason blunder. If they did a win now trade and then left this biggest problem area as it was, then that would have been much much worse. As it is, I think it’s still a poor decision, and the soothing tone of Mozeliak explanations doesn’t change that.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 1, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions

"Bourn trade was the best"

For whom?

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

The braves

I love that trade for them

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 1, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I think the Jimenez trade would have been hard to swallow for me if I was an Indians fan

because I don’t really buy into Ubaldo as an ace. But I could see the logic in it. For me, the worst trade was probably Mike Adams for Joe Wieland and Robbie Erlin. I guess the Rangers felt like they had too many prospects or something because that’s just a waste of talent. The Colby trade is a close second.

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by purple_haze on Aug 1, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

If we had gotten a hitter too I would be okay with it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Aug 1, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

we'll see who the ptbnl are.

It’s not impossible that there’s at least one pretty good prospect drafted this year, correct?

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Those aren't eligible to be traded for the better part of the year

and apparently the PTBNL are due 6 months from the trade. So that would rule out this year’s draft class, although last year’s would be in play by then.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

nice sig.

and a completely valid question.

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do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

oh yeah, great sig

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

We need one now.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Aug 1, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not really sure if we need another hitter right now. We have a rip roarin' offense.

(Not that I’d say no if offered!)

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I think you're confused by who we is.

Indians. They do not have a rip-roarin’ offense.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Aug 1, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

whoops! I am!

(READ UP, STUPID FINK!)

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions

How many licks to get to the middle of Tootsie Pop?

Rather, how many wins to get to the top of the division at the end of the season? At this point, you can start to look at the overall “W” totals and figure it will take approx. 90-93 wins to get to the playoffs. The Cardinals stand today with 57 wins. To look at it another way, they can probably afford (maybe) 18 more losses. Any more than 18, they probably won’t win the division.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Aug 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions

beat the crew.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes.

Doesn’t matter what arbitrary number of wins. Whoever decisively wins the 12-game series is playing baseball into October.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 1, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

FREE BASEBALL!

Mlb.tv’s FREE game of the day is the MIL vs. STL game!

…for those that are not mlb.tv subscribers.

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Aug 1, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

When is it ok for me to start worrying about Holliday?

That third K last night was pathetic

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 1, 2011 1:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

it's ok now.

he sure has been looking at a lot of 3rd strikes.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions

yep

it seems he should move about 3-6 inches away from the plate since everybody’s busting him inside over and over.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 1, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Holliday is still suffering from the effects of his stomach issue

To swing would cause diarrhea, so he hopes for a walk every time.

That’s about the best explanation I can come up with.

Or the mass amounts of money in his pants are making it difficult for him to rotate his hips on a swing.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions

he keeps them in his socks now, which unbalances his natural swing.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

No

He’s suffering from the Curse of the Home Run Derby!

by DiscoJer on Aug 1, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions

yeppers

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

query: why not try to flip theriot to the d-backs for,say,

Half his salary? They’re trying to make do w/ bloomquist. They’re the only team I can think of that might view him as an upgrade.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Aug 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

even the D-Backs aren't that dumb.

I don’t think so anyway.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 1, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions

That would be awesome, but does anyone see it actually happening?

We’re stuck with Theriot until the offseason.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions

The only GM I could imagine trading for Theriot traded for Theriot last season.

And then traded Theriot to the Cardinals during the offseason.Ned Colletti being willing to depart with Ryan Theriot probably should have concerned us a lot more at the time of his acquisition.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 1, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Streaks follow streaks, right?

Milwaukee is about do for some losses

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions

Probably not at home, though.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 1, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Anyone here who can easily explain why OBP > SLG?

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

don't know if this will help

Relative value of OBP and SLG

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks.

is this yours?

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Nope

I stumbled across it a little while ago, and thought it was a good read

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Safely getting to first base is the most difficult, and hence most valuable feat a batter can accomplish....

Once you get to first base, getting to second, third and home is relatively easier.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

well said.

is there a link that will confirm this statistically?

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

well, if you're getting on base, you're not making an out

and that’s the important thing. Only getting a single/walk one third of a player’s ABs is more productive than only getting a double one sixth of the time.

Maybe this helps?

FIRE TLR

by Oedipa Maas on Aug 1, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

So Luddy is a Pirate, eh

Well at least the next time someone luggages him in the eye, he’ll have an excuse to wear an eyepatch

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs

Cardinals future shortstop Ryan Jackson

named Texas League player of the week.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions

So Colby Rasmus' Batting Average is .240

What a loser!

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Aug 1, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions

he doesn't have enough runs scored

or rbis either.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

What a horrible trade!

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Aug 1, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

i don't know what you're talking about.

it was a great trade. i mean, just look, colby only has two hits since he was traded.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I know!

The Jays got fleeced on that one! Colby Rasmus is the latter day Drew Henson!

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by OKCardsfan on Aug 1, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

We could really use a 5-6 game winning streak

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 1, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

And the brewers could use

a 5-6 game losing streak!

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Aug 1, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I'll take 3 of each for the next three games.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

watching Danny D play SS like he did last night

I can’t help but wonder (hope) that we put Theriot on the waiver wire. Just for the information gathering reason, if nothing else. Meaning, we can always withdraw him if some GM is drunk enough to put in a claim.
But if he IS claimed, then I’d pull the bye-bye trigger.
Not because I am super confident of Furcal’s health and productivity the remaining two months of ’11, but mostly because I cannot conceive that Theriot is in our plans for ’12.
And DD is the key factor because should Furcal prove to be a bust (or injured again) some time in the remaining weeks, we do not have to rely only on the irratic Tyler Greene (still my boy) as the backup SS.
And with DD, Skip, Craig, Punto all second basemen of a sort, I see no place for Theriot at all. Even short term, but especially not long term.

by the Tewk on Aug 1, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions

or Theriot hits .310/.340./320

over the rest of the season and get a 3/27 deal

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm pretty sure the team will put Theriot through waivers

Since baseball teams put tons of players through waivers every year.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions

the only important question remaining

is zack3315 in fact nichole geiger?

’cause only one person can correctly call a home run at a time

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do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

No, we just think alike...

It’s a shame my tribute song/video “Maybry I’m Amazed” predated YouTube.

Is John Mabry still on the roster?

by zack3315 on Aug 1, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs

haha

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

God I love Matt Holliday.

Had fun looking at his fangraphs page to see how he’s living up to his contract. I know his first two years were never the problem with the contract, but he’s actually had his second best season and is well on pace to make this season his second best season over last season.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions

The first couple years of a contract like Holliday's are really the make or break years...

he’s highly unlikely to be good when he’s 35, so he has to produce now. The Werth and Crawford contracts are almost guaranteed losers…

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Compared to Werth (I don't know enough about Crawford's)

Hollidome’s contract is looking just dandy.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Aug 1, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Compared to Crawford...

Werth’s contract is looking dandy..

Crawford is still below replacement according to fangraphs…

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

According to fangraphs, he's been worth $46.7 million of his contract already.

That would be $46.7 million in just 1 year and 4 months….

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

This was the field runner last night? Can't believe FESPN didn't make an exception and show it...

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions

not naked, i guess =(

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Because one of them happened to have tits?

Big deal. Stay the fuck off the field.

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by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

You're telling me 20 seconds of this wouldn't have made the overall 3 hour television production...

slightly more entertaining?

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Because some attention whores ran on the field?

No. Don’t give these idiots air time.

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

give them jail time....on tv.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Build stockades on Ballpark ~~Villiage~~ Swamp!

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by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

that would be awesome

Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.

by BVHeck on Aug 1, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Charge admission to throw tomatoes

Maybe we’ll make enough to actually build Ballpark Village.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

,agree

it’s all fun and games till Mac hangs a 1-2 curveball bc hes standing there for 5 minutes. Of course he struck him out on the hook and then gave up the runs in the next inning so…

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Judging by the jean shorts

I’m guessing cubs fan.

Though, there is a red wristband

I kid, I kid

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

video

Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011

by YesWeOquendo on Aug 1, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Faceplant fail

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions

She didn't fall on her face though.

She stumbled. It was enough for them to catch up with her though. But she didn’t fall on her face.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Stumble Fail

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if someone went and got her shoes for her...

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait...

She’s got a gun!

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by pattimagee on Aug 1, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

That will look real nice.....

When she is trying to get a job in a few years, and her potential employer runs a background check.

by Stanley1 on Aug 1, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions

what a fucking weird comment

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions

what a fucking fucking comment

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do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Right back at you.

by Stanley1 on Aug 1, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

We're ALL jelly doughnuts!

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

What is she holding in her right hand?

by saladdays on Aug 1, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

phone?

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe

I guess she needed to make a call while running out there?

by saladdays on Aug 1, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

didn't want to lose in case they busted her.

how would you like to explain that one to your parents?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions

"In case"

I think when you run on the field in front of 40,000 witnesses with no exit, you throw out “in case” and substitute “when.” Even that escape artist who climbed out through the center field concourse at Minute Maid got caught.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions

I try not to deal in absolutes.

There’s always a chance, just not very much of one.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

need help

what would be the best way to calculate IP against?

like the number of innings opposing pitchers pitched against a team? preferably using fangraphs

right now i’m assuming that IP against for one team is roughly equal to IP for the same team, but would like to be more precise if possible

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions

Lineup, NO THERIOT!

stlcardinals St. Louis Cardinals
8/1 lineup vs Brewers: Furcal SS, Jay CF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Berkman RF, Freese 3B, Schumaker 2B, Molina C, Carpenter P

2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.2 as of Jul 30
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by Paulspike on Aug 1, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs

I'll allow it.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

works for me.

Its going to look GRRRRREAT when Craig is in the lineup in place of skip.

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

For sure.

Gotta give Skip some credit though. He has been hitting really well for over a month now.

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 1, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Towels will be needed.

2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.2 as of Jul 30
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by Paulspike on Aug 1, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Not bad looking lineup

When Yadi is down to 9th, I think that is a pretty solid lineup.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 1, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

8th, maybe?

or are you preferring the pitcher batting 8th thing?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 1, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Yadi's so good he bats twice

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Ahh yes that is what I mean.

I wouldn’t mind however, Yadi, Carp, Skip in this lineup for 7, 8, 9.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 1, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Just about as good as we could do

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by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

hey, look at that! a team!

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Now plug this in almost every day until Craig is back.

I’ll take Theriot over Skip against lefties.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions

All of these things.

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Sub in DD at 4, 5, or 6 against righties whenever rest days are desired

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions

yup

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

I have positive feelings toward this lineup.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm dissapointed not seeing Patterson leading off.

Put up or shut up, Tony.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

don't tempt him, man

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions

My only question

is would it be better to switch Skip and Yadi? If the 8th place hitter gets on w/ less than 2 outs and you want Carp to bunt him over, I’d much rather Skip be running than Yadi.

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 1, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions

If I had to guess, TLR didn't want two righties back-to-back in Freese and Molina

and/or platoon considerations with Skip and Greinke.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 1, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions

This is our best lineup I'd say.

Maybe replace Schu with Greene, but that’s minor and probably not a popular opinion.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Replace Patterson with Greene

and use him as a backup in CF.
A jay/greene platoon!!!

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by CodyG on Aug 1, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Man ww should be able to win with that lineup

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96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 1, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Holy shit, this the best possible lineup we could have

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Tony tends to put the best lineups in at the most important times

Seems to me like he’s done this before in pennant races in past years. While some people would say play that lineup about every game, we all know that Tony likes to give everyone on the bench playing time as well.

But in this case I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays the same lineup (or close to it) the next two games as well.

by saladdays on Aug 1, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah I agree

I suppose the rest of the time he’s just trying to maximize rest. I wonder if that actually improves performance.

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

maximizing rest

and keeping the backups sharp incase they are needed towards the end of the season. I have no idea how to tell if it’s something that can result in more, or less wins over an entire season.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, could be an interesting study

Although I suppose the effects are too small to really see anything.

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I think it's fair to say that not only is this probably the best lineup we can field at the moment w/o Craig

Tony probably thinks is the very best starting 9 in the organization at the moment.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Aug 1, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

How depressing:

My 2011 Cardinals Calendar features Brendan Ryan as August’s player. tear

(no not THAT type of calendar…perverts!)

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by mtzxc on Aug 1, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions

I can see it now

Brendan Ryan in his “while spinning pose” full mustache and all.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

I'll take two of those...

thankyouverymuch!

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by pattimagee on Aug 1, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

you guys want this article, then

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5202103

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions

that was great

i’d never read that. cool story about mather saving that lady’s life

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I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.

by BVHeck on Aug 1, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I knew about Joey Swims

but I didn’t know there were pictures

Fredbird really does look photoshopped

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice quote from Tony on Tyler Greene

“He’s got plus skills. Everything about him is above average.”

I’ll take what I can get.

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions

When Tony talks about minor leaguers, it is like a fortune cookie.

It always makes more sense if you append “in Memphis” to the end.

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.

by azruavatar on Aug 1, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs

True but I least it didn't say something like "Tyler Greene I fucking hate that guy."

FREE TYLER GREENE!

by hittmeier on Aug 1, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

You didn't read it close enough.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

or Tyler Greene

“Hes a bench player”

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by Stash Musial on Aug 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Indeed.

“Tyler Greene is great. What he really needs (AT AGE 28) is consistent ABs (in Memphis).” — TLR

by OCCardsFan on Aug 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Well he didn't have to blatantly lie that badly.

Greene’s obviously not above average in contact skills.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Can anyone explain the baserunning phrase to me?

Link:

Wednesday’s trade of center fielder Colby Rasmus to the Toronto Blue Jays for starting pitcher Edwin Jackson, relievers Octavio Dotel and Marc Rzepczynski and outfielder Corey Patterson addressed a porous bullpen and a predictable baserunning approach.

Is that a reference to Patterson?

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by azruavatar on Aug 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions

predictable in that they never run?

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

That's the only reference that makes any sense.

Except that Patterson has 13 SB to 9 CS this season.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 1, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

CALL UP TYLER GREENE

Seriously

Greene>>>>>Patterson

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by CodyG on Aug 1, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

It would appear to be Strauss reaching for justification on that addition

he’s unpredictable, because other teams expect you to get on base before running the bases

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah

he’s saying that Corey Patterson is a good addition for his baserunning skills because he’s different than the status quo. You know, he’s black, so he has to be fast and able to steal bases.

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by scoot on Aug 1, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Well you see

Because Strauss.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Patterson runs towards third base instead of first

See, that’s the unpredictable part! And when does it, the stadium sound system plays Yakety Sax.

Maybe this explains the low OBP as well…

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Aug 1, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Softballplayerguy now jobless.

the Nats’ press release was simple one which noted that the 43-year-old MLB All-Time pinch hit HR leader had hit, “… .154 with one double and two RBI in 56 games this season with Washington.” Stairs’ 19th MLB season (with the Nats at least) unofficially ended when he was DFA’d to make room on the roster for Jonny Gomes after the trade which brought the outfielder to D.C. from Cincinnati.

Matt Stairs famously (at least in NatsTown circles) told Bryce Harper to lose the eye black that had sort of become “his thing” throughout high school and his Team USA and JUCO days, when the veteran pinch hitting legend spoke to the 18-year-old outfielder during Harper’s time with the big club during his first major league Spring Training this past March.

Not exactly earth-shaking, I know. I just have a soft spot for the big lug.

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by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions

BTW- This is about Matt Stairs.

I juggled some things around and ended up burying the lede.

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by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I have a soft spot for him, too,

ever since that postgame interview where he said something like he swings as hard as he can every pitch and tries to hit a homer.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 1, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed.

I hated him until I saw that… I couldn’t help but smile…

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by pattimagee on Aug 1, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Was it the same postgame interview

where he said there’s nothing like “getting pounded by a bunch of guys?”

by jeff_abs on Aug 1, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think it's from the same interview,

but the full quote is too glorious to not re-live.

"You want to get that one big hit where you feel like you’re part of the team,‘’ Stairs said. "Not that I don’t feel like I’m part of the team, by no means, but when you get that nice celebration coming into the dugout and you’re getting your ass hammered by guys, it’s no better feeling than to have that done.’’

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs

oh man

it’s even better than I remember!

by jeff_abs on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Ah yes, the ass hammering comment.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

win

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd like to hammer some.....

Brewer ass tonight.

by Stanley1 on Aug 1, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions

It just so happens that I have an ex-gf that I could introduce you to.....

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Matt Stairs never got a full time shot until he was 29...

his first full season was 300/390/580 and his career line is 260/360/480. I would’ve never guessed he was this good.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions

well we're trying to sell jeans here! am i correct?

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions

i've updated my FIP-based expected pythag for all of baseball

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApJcuYz5xcFGdEQ0OWVQbUdCNkUwRUpBbmcwZmJxdVE&hl=en_US#gid=0

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

does anyone know

how i can make the columns sortable without giving write access to all of the internet? even better make the columns sortable just by clicking on them?

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

You can sort in a Google Docs read-only spreadsheet in List View.

Users can either go to View\List, or you can change the ccc? part in the URL to lv?

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah, i saw that, but was hoping for a better solution

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

which team is the row

that only says “s” supposed to be? i could figure it out if i looked hard enough i guess. #lazyilrosso

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do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Milwaukee lineup

@BJRains
B.J. Rains
Brewers lineup: Hart 9, Morgan 8, Braun 7, Fielder 3, Lopez 4, Betancourt 6, McGehee 5, Lucroy 2, Greinke 1.

Floppy batting 5th.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions

Nyjer? Floppy? Yuni?

Yuck. If we get swept again…..

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

OBP's

McGehee: .298
Betancourt: .273
Lopez: .250

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 1, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

What I was driving at

Throw in Greinke and the Brewers have four sub-.300 OBP players in their starting lineup. For some reason, likely because he is the catcher, they are batting Lucroy eighth, behind Lopez, Betancourt, and McGehee.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Aug 1, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions

but greinke is pitching

so it’s like our entire lineup is sub-.300 OBP

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions

On the flip side, Carp is no slouch either

so if we’re scoring things that way their weak hitters get even worse

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Aug 1, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Their lineup actually reminds me of the Cards late 2010 lineups with

Pujols, Holliday and the black holes of offensive suck – Feliz, Ryan, Schu, Pitcher, et al.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Man we should be able to beat that lineup

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Aug 1, 2011 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

And people think THAT lineup is better than ours?

I wouldn’t trade with em.

by Stanley1 on Aug 1, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions

why on earth do they have Hart & Morgan going 1-2?

that’s perplexing

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Aug 1, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions

not as perplexing as Lopez batting 5th

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

they're trying to confuse us into just giving up

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Interesting take from an outside source - this Baseball Prospectus author lists both St. Louis and Toronto as trade deadline "winners"

St. Louis Cardinals
Bitch about what Colby Rasmus could have been to the Cardinals all you want, say that they gave up a great talent to satisfy a manager’s vanity. Forget it: Rasmus wasn’t going to be that guy with this team, so the point is moot. However Rasmus became disgruntled with the Cardinals and vice-versa, the fixing-it ship had sailed, and who was in the right or wrong is totally irrelevant at this stage. Further, as even as good as Rasmus was last year, he went through great hot streaks and deep slumps, and if the Cardinals felt the aggregate wasn’t worth putting up with, we own that opinion at least cursory respect given that they have to live with the guy and his old man and we don’t. In trading him, St. Louis picked up the additional starting pitcher it needed and manufactured what should be an effective bullpen out of thin air. Jon Jay gives them the depth to survive the move, and if he isn’t Tris Speaker in center field, neither was Rasmus. As an encore, they spent a very minor prospect on Rafael Furcal, who doesn’t have to be Furcal-the-two-time-All-Star, but Furcal-who-is-just-a-little-better-than-Ryan-Theriot. Jon Mozeliak made absolutely the right moves at the deadline, moves that give the Cardinals a far better chance of making the playoffs than they had before. Anyone who downplays that in favor of mourning Rasmus is shedding tears over something wholly imaginary.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14690

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions

I enjoy a condescending tone with my analysis

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Aug 1, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

no mention of the best part of the trade, i see

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Jettisoning Miller? Or Jettisoning Tallet?

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

COREY PATTERSON!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions

acquiring four years of control of rzepczynski

especially if he’s going to be a starter

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Scrabble?

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

This is stupid...

they were talking extension in June and La Russa could be gone in a matter of months.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Makes one wonder if it was more than just LaRussa

by martimeryard on Aug 1, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

are we just gonna pretend that Rasmus had nothing to do with this?

Really?

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

i don't think anyone claims rasmus had nothing to do with it

only that rasmus’ dis-satisfaction, demand for a trade, etc. were instigated by la russa’s churlishness.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Makes one wonder if it was more than just LaRussa

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions

oh, we're quoting things directly above us in the conversation?

i don’t think anyone claims rasmus had nothing to do with it

/snark

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions

oh, forgive me.

now i see what you’re saying. i wasn’t reading the comment martimer made as “i don’t think rasmus had anything to do with it”, but rather “i think rasmus had something to do with it”.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah...i read it as "gee..who else could've been responsible for this?"

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

It was La Russa who made the comments and forced the trade

They may have each had part in instigating the conflict between the two, but it was La Russa who made it final.

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

it couldn't have possibly been...

because Rasmus was struggling for 2 months while being outplayed by Jon Jay? Don’t you think this was possible if Rasmus had the same stat line and a perfectly okay relationship with Tony?

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions

or did his stat line suck because of Tony?

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know what you are asking

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

try harder

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions

right here buddy

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

the trade is certainly possible

if they had a good relationship. frankly this argument has been rehashed over and over in the last week and it’s getting tiring. did you read danup’s post the day after the trade?

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

congrats on comprehending a fairly simple point

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

tool

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions

child

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions

that wasn't a shot at you, by the way

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks?

colby is a good, young, team-controlled player with a high ceiling (or at least, a potential that has not been realised so far, in my opinion; i realise some people disagree on this point). he would have generated interest from teams regardless of his relationship with tlr.

however, tlr sabotaged colby’s resigning process, reduced colby’s market value by bad-talking him, dogged colby with criticism beyond merit throughout colby’s stint here. THAT is what i’m saying tlr has to take blame for, and the fact we traded colby under what circumstances we traded him is because of tlr.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions

pretty much.....this

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not saying Rasmus had nothing to do with this?

For example, if a member of LaRussa’s staff was having issues coaching Rasmus I don’t think it would be that coach’s place to call out Rasmus. LaRussa is responsible for managing his players and staff and whatever relationship exists between all of them.

by martimeryard on Aug 1, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions

subtract that first question mark

by martimeryard on Aug 1, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Dumb.

Octavio Dotel and Marc Rzepczynski were not the difference between us having a good and bad bullpen. I like the end too where he states that we have a better chance of making the playoffs . . . except Baseball Prospectus’s own playoff odds went down for us after the trade.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Aug 1, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I disagree.

Dotel, Rzepcynski and KMac to the pen were the difference between us having a good and bad bullpen.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions

those guys are all going to pitch lowish leverage innings though

it’s not like it matters.

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I bet Scrabble will get plenty of high leverage situations.

Maybe Dotel as well.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions

it seemed like every time

Miller came into a ballgame it was a high-leverage situation….granted it was only for 1 batter

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't care what BP says.....

Do you really think the roster we had before is better than the roster we have today? I really don’t see how anybody could make that argument.

by Stanley1 on Aug 1, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions

I definitely think you could make that argument pre-Furcal-trade

I definitely feel like we’re improved now, even just for the defensive boost in the MIF.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

We also took a massive suckerpunch from the downgrade to Corey Patterson.

Everyone keeps acting like Jay replaced Rasmus and the 25th man is now equally as valuable as Jay. The reality is that Corey Patterson replaced Rasmus and that is a real downgrade.

The left hand side of the bullpen was upgraded but that’s such a marginal component of the club that it doesn’t matter. Edwin Jackson is a reasonable upgrade. I think our right handed relievers are being undervalued and Dotel is being overvalued.

The trade looks like a push or a slight improvement. I don’t see the significant improvement especially when the majority of what we did ignored the real problems (2B, SS).

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Aug 2, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions

uhh...

yeah it was…Dotel, Scrabble, K-Mac replacing Miller, Walters, and Valdes is enormous.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions

its basically the difference between having a 4 man bullpen and a 7 man bullpen

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Miller, Valdes, and Walters pitched a grand total of

24.3 innings for the Cards this year. I agree they sucked. But their pitching has had little to do with the Cards record this year.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions

they have a lot to do with why the bullpen was crappy though

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Sort of.

If I were the last pitcher in the bullpen, but I never pitched, would it make any difference that I was replaced, no matter how crappy I was? Not really.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

but they never pitched BECAUSE they were crappy

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok, but then it becomes apparent that

Dotel/Rep/McLellan are actually just taking high leverage innings from Motte, Boggs, Lynn, and Salas and low leverage innings from those guys and Brandon Dickson. (BTW, I think McClellan is vastly overrated and don’t
consider him to be much of an upgrade on anything)

In any event, sure, I’m glad the bullpen is better. Seems like a slight marginal improvement, IMO.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

over the course of a season it doesn't make that much difference

however, once we are in the playoffs, it will make a huge difference having a guy who can get lefties out in the pen.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

We blew a LOT of saves early in the year.

So yeah, it can make a big difference. It won’t necessarily, but it might.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Starters have much shorter leashes in the playoffs, usually

So bullpen depth is important.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree on K-Mac being overrated...

but he’s still an upgrade over Valdes. I was kinda hoping they’d dangle him at the deadline. I’d strongly consider non-tendering him after this season

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know about non-tendering him.

You could stick him in the pen as the 11th-12th guy and I’d be fine with that. He could be thrown out there for an emergency start or something. I would trade him if anyone wanted him.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions

i wish we would have sold high on him around the all star break

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Me too

Though I think injuries to Sanchez (and Reifer to some extent), as well as Franklin’s/Batista’s/Augenstein’s implosions precluded that.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions

11th or 12th bullpen guys shouldn't make a couple million though

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions

not for the cardinals at least

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed. I didn't know he would make that kind of dough.

For some reason, I thought this year was his first arb year and that he’d clear $1mm or so next year. I would certainly non-tender him if he were going to make $2mm or more.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

he's already at 1.375...

he should easily clear 2…possibly upwards of 4

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions

There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't non-tender Kmac and Skip this off-season

by mattyfrommo on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

don't forget Theriot

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

that's probably 10M+ in payroll we can shed

by mattyfrommo on Aug 1, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

which works out perfect since thats about the raise Albert will get

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

right?...

please tell me that thats how this works

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

no, that's what we pay for 2 of the 3's re-negotiated contracts

plus the 5M we give to Miles

by mattyfrommo on Aug 1, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

holy fuck

I hope it works out that well…..

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Aug 1, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Sure, dump him then.

Maybe somebody will give us a “Blake Hawksworth” for him.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

To further the point -

Over the last 7 days, the Cards’ playoff percentage according to BP has gone down 15.5%, by far the biggest loss. And the Brewers’ odds have gone up 24.2%, by far the biggest gain.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions

doesn't that have more to do with Milwaukee's

6 game winning streak rather than the Cards’ roster moves?

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sure it does.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

If we sweep the Brewers this series

I bet that goes up by, what, 30%?

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Milwaukee's been winning at a .736 clip at home this year....

I think a sweep is pretty unlikely. I’d feel a hell of a lot better if they can just win the series.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Aug 1, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Goldman's been around a while, this post surprises me

Talking about hot and cold streaks like they are the exception rather than the rule in baseball? Come on, this year shows that even Pujols can go cold as ice for six weeks at a time.

And I’m nit-picking with this last one, but since when to saber-inclined sites give a poop about how many All-Star games a guy has been in? That’s the best he can say about Furcal? I know it’s BPro, but he could at least say something like “who doesn’t have to be Furcal-the-4.5 ”http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=FURCAL19771024A" target="new">WARP-shortstop".

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Aug 1, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Oops

And I’m nit-picking with this last one, but since when to saber-inclined sites give a poop about how many All-Star games a guy has been in? That’s the best he can say about Furcal? I know it’s BPro, but he could at least say something like "who doesn’t have to be Furcal-the-4.5 WARP-shortstop". (Bpro Furcal page link here)

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Aug 1, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe associating himself with BCB took a toll on his powers of reason...

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 1, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Roy Halladay has a 2.23 FIP right now

HOLY FUCK

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions

Everytime I read an article about Bryan Stow, it makes me sick

Details of the Stow assault

Regardless of the rivalry between the dodgers and giants, I am still sickened by what these two individuals did.

Last night I saw Cubs and Cards fans making jokes at each other, laughing, and having a good time. It was never hostile, and there was never a feeling of danger. I’m not saying that fights don’t happen between cubs and cards fans, rather I’m just disgusted by how two opposing fans just can’t enjoy a great game, regardless of the jersey’s they wear.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions

ugh, stupid apostrophe

obviously jerseys can’t possess anything

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions

That's the scary thing about the internet...

You constantly see a mistake, like an apostrophe for every s at the end of a word, even when it’s not possessive. And your brain subconsciously picks it up. And you start doing it, even though you consciously know you shouldn’t.

by DiscoJer on Aug 1, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

the jersey's lettering was red.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Aug 1, 2011 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

the jersey's owner beat the other jersey's owner senseless.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

New Jersey's a cesspool.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

The Jersey Jersey's jersey's owner?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

And with that,

I think I described Moocow.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

No, I'm sorry. It's actually a terry-cloth material.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

2? or 3 years ago..

I saw a female Cubs fan grab the hair of a female Cardinals fan and throw her to the ground before starting to kick her, before accompanying males separated them. This was on the sidewalk about 20 feet from Busch. Couldn’t believe my peepers.

by leefyg on Aug 1, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I played "protector" for a couple of female Cubs fans on the metro a few years back.

I don’t think anyone would really have bothered them but they were cute and I’d had more than a few beers. It seemed like a good idea at the time.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 1, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions

were there any rending of garments?

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Nope

I was actually disturbed that not a single one of the 100 or so people that saw this did anything but continue walking.

My friend and I stopped to talk to this girl and (we discovered) her boyfriend. Girl was crying hysterically, boyfriend was drunk and didn’t know what to do..we asked if they wanted us to go get help and then she started yelling at her boyfriend for not doing anything. Slowly backed away..

by leefyg on Aug 1, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions

remember guys,

tonight’s cardinals game is mlb.tv’s free game of the day.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions

SWEET!

THE BATMAN|TOWEL BOY.|VP of TG Fan Club
Twitter|Google+|PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!

by CodyG on Aug 1, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Excellent news!

Hit me up on Google+

by jd is legend on Aug 1, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions

wait, so the greene tyler is back in memphis?

he’s nothing if not well travelled
if he were playing good defense, do we even get furcal?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77

by d-dee on Aug 1, 2011 6:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

He was sent down,

because this team NEEDS Corey Patterson.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Aug 1, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions

who else is going to make outs 72 percent of the time?

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Who gets axed/demoted when Craig and Punto get activated next Tuesday?

by RedAllOver on Aug 1, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

Craig

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I wish it were Theriot

But I doubt my wish can overcome TLR’s need for faux-grit

by leefyg on Aug 1, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Cruz

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions

cruz for craig.

and for some reason i’m convinced punto won’t be back until september 1st.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 1, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Cruz

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 1, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

btw

after criticizing okkervil river’s recent output, i relistened to the stage names and i like it. whatever!

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions

I Am Very Far

is spectacular.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions

that post was unclear

i was criticizing the albums between BSB and i am very far. i love the latter

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

I really like The Stage Names and Stand Ins

but Black Sheep Boy and I Am Very Far are on another level for me.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions

don't like stand ins

BSB and golden dreams are fantastic. i am very far is solid

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

yes Down the River is outstanding

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

It took me way too long to figure out that this post was talking about music

by bailorg on Aug 1, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions

rule of thumb

if i’m not nerding out about baseball, i’m probably nerding out about music

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

fave album of 2011 so far?

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

too hard to pick

but may favorites are antlers, bon iver, smith westerns, bobby and shabazz palaces

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah i never understood

why so many people disliked their recent stuff—that which they released between bsb and iavf—but music is highly subjective.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Aug 1, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions

holy hell have the cardinals playoff odds taken a huge hit recently...

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 1, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions

where are they at?

Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011

by YesWeOquendo on Aug 1, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

31.6%

after hovering in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s for the better part of 3-4 months.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 1, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions

they're not going to make the playoffs, everyone should stop fooling themselves

when you go 4-3 at home against the worst teams in MLB you’re not playing in October. it’s science

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think science is the word you were looking for

but screw it, I agree

by mattyfrommo on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

bullshit?

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 2, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Didn't we sign an extension to Yadi this year for some time?

by Frazier90 on Aug 1, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions

no, he has an option for next season

by mattyfrommo on Aug 1, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Aha!

I stand corrected

by Frazier90 on Aug 1, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

yadi's getting expensive

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if next season is Yadi's last

by mattyfrommo on Aug 1, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't re-sign him for more than the $7.5 million he's gonna make next year

I’d be comfortable with a renogotiated – 4 year/$25 million

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

we'll probably be paying him well into

his decline phase and cringing at the sub .290 OBPs and wondering what mediocre minor league catcher prospect has to do to get a shot

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I think some of you might enjoy this comment from Skip about himself:

Skip Schumaker is in the mix for playing time in center field. Asked if it means anything extra as far as fly balls (nope) or making sure his arm is lengthened out for the throws, Schumaker answered: “I was blessed with only one tool. Some guys have five. I’m going to use the one that I have.”

He, of course, means his arm strength.

by OCCardsFan on Aug 1, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

at least he knows who he is and what he's got

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

If only TLR knew the same things

by OCCardsFan on Aug 1, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

That's ridiculous

He has the sixth tool, a strong jawline.

by mojowo11 on Aug 1, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

he can hit for average

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

he's selling himself short, sexiness is like 2.5-3 tools all by itself

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Bogginator with a bulging disc:

Mitchell Boggs is available out of the bullpen tonight. The righty had an MRI earlier this week that revealed a bulging disc in his lower back. As has been reported, the discomfort caused by the disc required a shot to ease off. Boggs said he also has to do some daily strengthening to make sure that he will be able to pitch through the condition for the rest of the year. I asked if it he would need to have anything more significant done in the offseason to alleviate the issue, and Boggs said he would “deal with that conversation when we get there.”

Was this talked about here? I remember hearing back trouble, but nothing specific.

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions

oh brother

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Aug 1, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

welcome back Brandon Dickson....

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if this is why they kept talking about Bell/Adams

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions

definitely a contributor

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Aug 1, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions

As someone who has had some back issues...

…Bulging discs are not fun. It just feels sore and achy and doesn’t seem to go away. Feel creaks every time you move.

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 1, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Old people of Viva El Birdos:

Today is the 30th anniversary of the launch of Mtv. Someone out there posted the very first hour of Mtv on YouTube. The first 10-min segment is worth watching. All of the VeeJays are introduced and they’re really excited to be bringing music into your television in stereo!

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions

hey look at that....the "M" stands for "music"

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions

I remember when MTV was on regular TV.

Cyndi Lauper was hot

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Aug 2, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions

MTV was great for about 10-15 years or so

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Aug 1, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions

and then the Real World happened

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions

The show that ended the world as we knew it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

pretty much

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Bevis & Butthead make up for it though

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

MTV died when M2 debuted and was sort of awesome and nobody watched it.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions

MTV was dead years before MTV2

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions

mtv died in 1988

I was there.

by mattyfrommo on Aug 1, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions

it came back to life for breif periods between 91-95

but for the most part you’re kind of right

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 2, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions

very cool.

I’ll have to save that one back. Oh for the days of when they really played videos on there and the 501 blues and swatch and didn’t they have zeltser seltzer commercials on there, too?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Is Martha Quinn... available?

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Martha Quinn, Nina Blackwood...

I can’t decide.

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions

oh, Martha all the way.

ALL the way.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah, furcal looks kind of like a thug

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions

he's my new hero

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions

game thread?

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Aug 1, 2011 8:11 PM EDT reply actions

I was about to ask the same thing

The link under the score on the front page brought me back here.

2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!

by mtzxc on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions

That 15 on Furcal is going to throw me off the rest of the season.

"The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us."
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by Va Falcon 88 on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions

Hai Guys...

Colby Rasmus is pretty good at baseball..

by Joseph Kirby on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions

No Colby today, though

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Nope...my teams got the day off..

Colby Rasmus is pretty good at baseball..

by Joseph Kirby on Aug 1, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions

if you direct that picture towards Rui

He’ll suck your dick.

Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions

so...

should I stay inside and watch the game. Or go outside and sand some wood while listening to the game.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions

Ewwwww

TMI

2011 MLB All Star Game FanFest: July 8-12 at the Phoenix Convention Center!

by mtzxc on Aug 1, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

stay inside and sand your wood

no one wants to see that

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions

but that makes a mess

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

that's what the towels are for

where’s VEB’s towel boy at?

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

besides, I'd think you'd need to be close to the band-aids

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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

GT

boom

FIRE TONY LARUSSA
randy winn > corey patterson
twitter

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions

gamethread. sorry for short hand

FIRE TONY LARUSSA
randy winn > corey patterson
twitter

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

i don't accept your apology

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions

HOLLIDINGER

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by prophetjohn on Aug 1, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions

Ka-boom-a-dee-boom-boom

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Aug 1, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions

Hey yall

Let’s do this thing.

"Ozzie Smith just made another play that I've never seen anyone else make before, and I've seen him make it more than anyone else ever has." ~ Jerry Coleman

by Craig Wilson Can Juggle on Aug 1, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions

You hangin' out

Josephy Kirby?

"Ozzie Smith just made another play that I've never seen anyone else make before, and I've seen him make it more than anyone else ever has." ~ Jerry Coleman

by Craig Wilson Can Juggle on Aug 1, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions

lego gonna smash

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Aug 1, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

For those not down with zoomzoom hip slang above.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/8/1/2310294/brewers-cards-8-1-open-thread

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Aug 1, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions

front page game thread up.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Aug 1, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions

CRUSHED

2 for 2!

11 in '11

Carp on Brendan

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 PM EDT reply actions

i was here & i was disappointed

TWSS

Balls

by gdm426 on Aug 1, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions

C	IF	OF	SP	RP
Y. Molina	A. Pujols	M. Holliday	C. Carpenter	F. Salas
G. Laird	S. Schumaker	L. Berkman	J. Garcia	J. Motte
T. Cruz	D. Freese	J. Jay	E. Jackson	L. Lynn
	R. Furcal	C. Patterson	K. Lohse	M. Boggs
	R. Theriot		J. Westbrook	K. McClellan
	D. Descalso			O. Dotel
				M. Rzepcynski

Jackson	ERA	FIP	xFIP	K/9	BB/9
Career	4.51	4.35	4.39	6.73	3.73
2011	3.78	3.21	3.49	7.06	2.87
ZiPS RoS	3.91	3.67	--	6.91	3.26

Rzepczynski	ERA	FIP	xFIP	K/9	BB/9
Career	3.95	4.06	3.73	8.33	4.06
2011	2.83	3.14	3.19	8.06	3.27
ZiPS RoS	5.29	4.08	--	7.41	4.76

Dotel	ERA	FIP	xFIP	K/9	BB/9
Career	3.74	3.85	3.66	10.88	4.07
2011	3.34	4.35	3.94	9.19	3.62
ZiPS RoS	4.00	3.66	--	9.83	4.11

Miller	ERA	FIP	xFIP	K/9	BB/9
Career	4.18	4.38	4.39	7.50	4.08
2011	3.86	4.77	5.70	5.51	4.94
ZiPS RoS	4.09	3.90	--	7.36	4.09

Tallet	ERA	FIP	xFIP	K/9	BB/9
Career	4.76	4.83	4.90	6.58	4.13
2011	8.31	7.22	5.21	6.23	3.46
ZiPS RoS	5.21	4.89	--	7.11	4.26

Walters	ERA	FIP	xFIP	K/9	BB/9
Career	7.24	5.86	4.39	7.06	3.88
2011	7.20	5.79	4.37	7.20	5.40
ZiPS RoS	5.63	4.62	--	7.31	3.66

Patterson	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	wOBA
Career	.253	.291	.402	.693	.304
2011	.251	.284	.375	.659	.285
ZiPS RoS	.252	.294	.378	.672	.299

Furcal	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	wOBA
Career	.283	.349	.407	.756	.337
2011	.197	.272	.248	.520	.241
ZiPS RoS	.261	.326	.378	.704	.311

Castellanos	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	wOBA
Career	.283	.347	.480	.827	--
2011	.319	.379	.562	.941	.408

Rasmus	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	wOBA
Career	.256	.331	.439	.770	.334
2011	.237	.324	.406	.730	.323
ZiPS RoS	.247	.327	.443	.770	.335

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