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Daniel Descalso: No Paper Trail

When Lance Lynn was called up, I spent some time going back through the Future Redbirds archives trying to find the back story on him. I'd seen Lynn in the minors several times, charted pitches for two other starts from video during his time in Memphis and there was a lot of general prospect ink spilled about him at places like Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus.  As Daniel Descalso's role on the St. Louis Cardinals grows, I wanted to view him with the same historical lens. One problem: No one wrote about Daniel Descalso.

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Drafted in the infamous 2007 draft during the third round, Daniel Descalso was plucked from relative obscurity out of University of California's Davis campus.  Descalso had posted a big year for Davis when he hit .397/.474/.569 at age 20. At the time of the draft though, Baseball America was nearly mute on him:

Descalso controls the strike zone, takes a healthy hack from the left side and has a knack for getting the fat part of the bat on the ball. His thick body turns some scouts off, though he has some athleticism. He's a third baseman primarily but has played some second, and his bat would play better there. He's an average runner and could go in the first 10 rounds.

It's a somewhat underwhelming comment and it's about the only thing you'll find written about Descalso for the next two years.  He didn't rank at either BA or BP for top 10 prospect lists in 2008. Descalso would spend some time in Batavia following his signing in 2007. It was a adequate, average offensive performance. In 2008, he'd bypass Quad Cities and go straight to Palm Beach. At both Palm Beach and his few plate appearances in Springfield, Descalso displayed a similar offensive output. Nothing world beating but not terrible.  Erik Manning had the opportunity to interview him in late 2008:

How would you describe a quality at-bat?

I think a quality at bat is anytime you can put the ball in play hard. It is not easy to find holes so all you can do is hit it hard. Walks and other productive outs are quality at-bats too.

But 2009 was the coming out party for Descalso aided by the friendly confines of Hammons Field in Springfield. That year he hit an eye popping .323/.396/.531 featuring impressive power. Springfield's ballpark is a noted power booster among the Cardinals minor league affiliates but Descalso's performance was still well ahead of the league averages for his level.

Indeed, the performance was finally enough to get him some offseason recognition. He made Baseball America's 2009 top 20 list for the Texas League (AA) along with Brett Wallace (#5) and Lance Lynn (#12). The 13th best player in that league Will Lingo wrote:

Descalso is a throwback, blue-collar player with a strong understanding of his swing and what kind of player he is. He knows how to handle the bat, with a short swing and gap to gap power, with the ability to occasionally hit the ball over the fence. He's not a good runner and doesn't have great actions at second base but makes all the plays.

Managers love Descalso because he's a scrapper who will run through walls for his team. He seems perfectly suited to be an offensive second baseman in St. Louis.

If ever there was a scouting report to appeal to the nature and makeup of the Cardinals major league squad, that has to be it.  Descalso when discussed was commented on as a bat and an adequate defender still transitioning to second base. (He played third in college.)  Descalso also managed to sneak onto the 2010 top prospect lists from BP and BA following his Springfield campaign. He ranked 9th for both Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus where Kevin Goldstein wrote:

The Good: Descalso is an aggressive hitter with a quick bat and an innate feel for contact. He makes excellent in-swing adjustments, uses all fields, and shows few weaknesses by pitch hand or type. He's a grinder who gets the most out of his tools, and his defensive fundamentals are outstanding.
The Bad: Descalso is a line-drive hitter with little power, and Triple-A pitchers retired him consistently by simply challenging him in the strike zone. He doesn't offer much in the way of tools beyond his bat, as he's an average runner at best.

Was the conventional wisdom on Descalso wrong? There seemed to be a wide consensus that he was a nice complementary player and maybe even a starter on a second tier team. He'd be confined to second base, maybe third and would be adequate there.

Memphis in 2010 wasn't particularly kind to Descalso as much of the Springfield power evaporated. His ISO dropped from .208 in Springfield to .139 in a full season at Memphis. Descalso continued to hit for average and draw a moderate number of walks but there was no standout secondary skill to be seen. He was a jack of all trades and a master of none. 2010 ended with Descalso in the majors seeing time at third base to cover up for the terrible replacements after another David Freese injury. (Fun Fact: This is Freese's third year in the majors and he still has appeared in less than 162 games.)  Descalso would not be found on top ten lists during the offseason.

So Descalso's inclusion on the 2011 squad as a hard working, utility player was reasonable. His work ethic and demeanor meshed well with the style of the club and it's coaches. Only recently has Descalso been forced into yet another unfamiliar role: starting shortstop. The absolute inadequacy that Ryan Theriot has displayed in recent weeks has forced the hand of the coaching staff to look at alternatives. Descalso has seen a few starts there and the results have been unexpectedly good.

That description, "unexpectedly good", seems an apt phrase for much of Descalso's major league appearances. He's hitting well at the plate (.320/.367/.448) though it's mostly spurred by good luck on batted balls. Descalso is lacing line drives around the field this year (27%).  [Update: As was pointed out, I had multiple fangraphs pages open when writing this and accidentally referenced Freese's stats.  Descalso is currently hitting .255/.335/.352 with a 10% walk rate though he's been intentionally walked a considerable amount.  With a 18% line drive rate his .310 BABIP is in the right neighborhood if a tick low.  Given the depressed offensive environment of the league and Busch Stadium, I would still describe Descalso's hitting as better I expected but not a world beater.  Sorry for the mixup.]  (I could write a whole article on the difference between a lucky BABIP and an unsustainable one.  The short version is that lucky BABIPs are unsustainable but unsustainable ones are not necessarily lucky.  Descalso is unlikely to continue to hit line drives with that frequency but that batted ball aids his BABIP in predictable ways.) Descalso's secondary skills haven't evidenced themselves much yet as he's not walking often or hitting for more than moderate power.

Back to the unfamiliar role though. Descalso's defense has, by and large, been above board and he's displayed unexpected range evidenced in some highlight reel plays.  With the plethora of players at third base (David Freese, Matt Carpenter, Zach Cox) the real need for the Cardinals, both now and in the future, is up the middle at both shortstop and second base.  It's possible with both Ryan Theriot and Skip Schumaker facing arbitration again after the season that Descalso could take on an expanded role. Whether the Cardinals are willing to commit to a rather untested player at such a vital defensive position as shortstop seems unlikely but it's hard to know.

Throughout his time in the minors, Daniel Descalso kept his head down, played hard-nosed baseball and was promoted quickly from his 2007 post-draft start of Batavia. Four years later, the Cardinals are reaping the benefits of what was an unheralded prospect. Whether he turns out to be an under-rated one, will take a few more seasons to know. For now, fans can simply sit back and watch as he matures and adapts to the new environment of the major leagues and the unexpected tasks that may be asked of him.

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Well nice article except that one paragraph
That description, “unexpectedly good”, seems an apt phrase for much of Descalso’s major league appearances. He’s hitting well at the plate (.320/.367/.448) though it’s mostly spurred by good luck on batted balls. Descalso is lacing line drives around the field this year (27%).

Dude, that’s David Freese. Not Dan Descalso. To correct, Descalso has a .265/.333/.352 which is cromulent with his defense but still pretty awful. And his line drive rate is 18.3% so about average. Where you high when you wrote this? It seems like you would have realized somewhere in the middle of this article, “Oh wow Dan Descalso is batting .320? Oh wait..”

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 31, 2011 6:17 AM EDT reply actions  

It seems like

In a comment the size of yours, especially a critical comment, that you would at least use “were”. I think you were a little harsh.

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by Dttl89 on Jul 31, 2011 6:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

The high part was a simple joke

Just surprised he made it that far without realizing he was talking about a different hitter.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 31, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm pretty high....

pretty high on Daniel Descalso! In fact, he gets my vote for Cardinals Junior MVP.
He’s been the next best thing to Jose Oquendo since Jose Oquendo. I’m not sure where we’d be without him.
 Whatever the real numbers are, he’s played well no matter where he’s been plugged in and he’s surely not an automatic out. I want him on this team for awhile.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Against good pitchers he was the most automatic out I've seen in a long time.

But he’s getting better and I agree with the rest of your sentiment.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 31, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boog was pretty automatic last year. That's pretty recent.

But I get what you’re saying.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Descalso isn't Boog with a glove either.

I like him though.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Few are.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

He reminded me of Taguchi when he first came up.

Looked utterly bewildered at the plate. Dirty has looked better, but he’s going to have some cringe-worthy PA going forward, I’m sure.

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

early in the year, in the height of DAN IS SO CLUTCHY

I was skeptical because he so often looked hugely overmatched by anything that wasn’t a meatball. But it seems he’s made adjustments or shaken off nerves or whatever and now, when coupled with the highlight defense and tongue-wagging, I’m a fan.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's okay but nothing to get too excited about

his flashes of brilliance with the glove are nice though

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him a lot as a super sub

but that’s about it.

Colby in TOR: .071/.133/.071 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah as a defensive sub he's great

maybe without furcal it would be between greene and him to win the job. but now he should be a great bench guy that can play any of the infield spots. nice to have with tlr. kinda feel sorry for tyler greene though. he kinda fell through the cracks.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair to the robot

He was writing this in a hurry earlier this week in order to get it in the que before his trip. Just an honest mistake

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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Queue

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah yes

I was struggling with that

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

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96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

cue?

(Kew)

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 31, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Que?

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

wonder if he’s always like that in the mornings

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll raise a glass to that.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

but free work on the internet should be perfect because I say so!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

we'll just blame it on the Bosnians

then everyone wins.

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by cschepers on Jul 31, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

My two cents on a non issue...

I didn’t think he was rude.

Seemed like a friendly WTF comment.

However calling someone out as a mooch …

That is a wee bit too far.

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by Red Blazer on Jul 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must have had both fangraphs pages open at the same time.

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope the revision and the rest of the article was above board for everyone.

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks.

as you will have probably noticed by the time you see this, it messed up your formatting a little bit.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I don’t see anything. The strikethrough is intentional if that’s what you mean.

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah. fail.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, as the saying goes.....

“let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't let that guy bother you...

everyone appreciates the content….

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ptsh

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by vivaelpujols on Jul 31, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry that I was so rude.

I really hope you didn’t read my comment like everyone else did because it was not meant that way at all. I just suck at picking the right time make a joke that isn’t funny.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't feel bad

we all suck at picking the right time to make a joke that isn’t funny.

/kidding

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

fang syndrome...

also, you probably shouldn’t post at 5 in the morning.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, every so often, I make a terrible comment

At least I’m scaling down though. At least I didn’t totally insult a whole nation of people this time.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

progressing nicely!

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

once it hits 2, i stop posting.

nothing good happens after 2.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't even notice....even though it was striked through...

but I also woke up at 3pm today still a bit hungover.

you prolly could have posted Als career stats and I would have been like ohh nice to see Dan start hittin.

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by Red Blazer on Jul 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow seriously besides the high comment which was not even serious

I don’t see how what I said deserved the reaction it did. Was it rude? i can see how it came across as rude. But all of a sudden, I think Azru should stop writing and that I am not appreciating VEB.

The high comment is taken out which wasn’t serious and this probably looks a lot different. Dan Descalso and David Freese are way different players offensively. There is nothing similar about them. I was wondering how he didn’t notice, throughout writing this, that he was talking about a different player. It wasn’t meant to bash him.

If he took it this offensively, then thank god that everybody rushed to his rescue and made sure everyone knew that he was appreciated. Sorry it came across as though I was trying to bash his article.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

it read pretty rude

that’s all. i’m glad you’re not an ass

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe we need to use emoticons ??

please no.

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by Red Blazer on Jul 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't notice because I was delinquent in writing this post until about 2 hours before I was leaving for the weekend.

It’s fine. No hurt feelings. After last week, I’ve left my personal feelings at the proverbial blog door.

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by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awful?

That line is pretty close to average considering ballpark and the fact that offensive is depressed this year.

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by vivaelpujols on Jul 31, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it's not very good given it's with a decently lucky BABIP

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

.310?

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, .312 but yeah

He feels like a .300 BABIP guy and while he’s not lucky persay, I don’t think his .296 wOBA reflects his “true talent”

Just an opinion. Not saying we should release him or anything, just that his offense hasn’t been very good. I guess awful is not correct, although I see ,296 wOBA and I freak out usually.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, yeah I agree

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by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was going to say, one of the things that I like about Descalso is that he walks pretty often (for a light hitting middle infielder). Yeah, but he’s no Miller Huggins 10% isn’t shabby.

But I guess you were looking at Freese…

Basically, he’s Nick Punto.

by DiscoJer on Jul 31, 2011 6:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Woops. Misplaced but.

Yeah, he’s no Miller Huggins but 10% isn’t shabby.

by DiscoJer on Jul 31, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

but you should see hr

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually went to bed pretty early last night

All those questions really burned me out

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by hr on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

safe interrogations, VEB

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since this is the thread du jour...

Early morning blurb from Rosenthal re: Heath Bell.

Says Pads are motivated sellers. Won’t hang on to Bell to close meaningless games, or wait for draft picks.

If they’re selling low – and stop asking for the moon – could be an interesting day.

by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 31, 2011 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Bell literally isn't worth our 10th best prospect...

I don’t know if it’s an anomaly but he is not missing bats this year. He’s no kind of upgrade over Lynn, Motte, or Salas and probably a sideways move from Boggs and KMac. I guess the team would be ever so slightly better if he took Dotel’s spot.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, even when dealing with "selling low" trade partners

Mo has consistently gone into the negotiations eager to overpay.

Advantage Burns.

by olddomination on Jul 31, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moz is reportedly offering Boggs and Hailton for Bell

Salas would be our set-up, Lynn and Mac long, and Motte, Dote, and Zep the LOOGY. Working assumption is Sanchez out for a long time.

by RedAllOver on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh...

well forget it then.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hailton sucks. But Hamilton...

…Is the strongest infield/bloop hit specialist on the planet. A rare find.

by RedAllOver on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hammy alone os more than enough, but you throw inkopp

no one from the 25 makes any sense, unless its erriot

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...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 31, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to be sick.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh...

it’s kind of pointless, but someone might actually overpay for Bell in the offseason netting us a decent draft pick. This is something like a fair price for Bell.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

that deal would arguably give us a superb bullpen.

…Maybe the best in the League, if Lynn is for real (and nothing suggests otherwise).

TLR didn’t like Boggs, so he won’t be a factor next year anyway.

by RedAllOver on Jul 31, 2011 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I keep hoping that TLR won't be a factor next year.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I predict he will be gone if Albert goes.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey! we have two prophets now!

lucky us.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

not counting prophet john?

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

okay, three

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's as safe a prediction as there is.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah?

I predict that TLR will manage the Cardinals forever, unnaturally prolonging his reign by sucking the life force out of young prospects.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

so I guess that makes Darth Duncan the one who finally has to stop him....

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then does that make Shelby Luke?

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by KlausChadman on Jul 31, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be trying to pass Connie Mack.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably correct.

I just hate the way this team seems to just throw away cost-controlled players because the manager has an asshole personality quirk.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not disagreeing with TLR's old school stubbornness

but let’s not lump all the exited players in the same basket.
- Rolen was a vet and was equally stubborn
- Boog – I think TLR actually liked Boog, at least he claims to have liked Boog, and repeatedly said so in FSN interviews. I wonder how much of Boog’s fate was determined by Carp and Apu?
- Colby – I think this was mangled all around. Team Rasmus had a part in this. But I really pin this on Mo. He really should’ve played peace maker and waited ‘til the off season.
- Reyes – I’d pin this one on Dunk’s preference for the 2-seamer.
My point of disagreement with you is the “throw away cost-controlled player” part, not the asshole part.

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by totalloser on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Carp liked Boog

At least liked him playing SS when he pitched

Hit me up on Google+

by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's speculation

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77

by d-dee on Jul 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, agreed

That’s my original point about pinning it all on TLR. I think with each case, there are many details that we were not privy to. Carp definitely had issues w/Boog on that particular day, but I have no clue if there were anything long term.

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by totalloser on Jul 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

as long as he's in position, on time.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt Carp is the type to ask for someone to be traded

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by vivaelpujols on Jul 31, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea,

however it happens, the keywords here are “mysterious circumstances.”
indeed.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that it's all TLR's fault

but he sure as hell doesn’t help the situation. I admit to being irrational about my feelings toward him. He tends to remind me of some coaches I had growing up. Never did play as well for them as when I had a coach that wasn’t as heavy-handed.

 And I realize that none of us can know what he’s like because we’ve never been on his team. But, to paraphrase tom, where there’s smoke there’s usually a fire.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the surface

it appears to me that Tony is better at managing games than he is at managing players.
He would have had a hell of a time managing Babe Ruth or Reggie Jackson and may have shipped them both out on principal.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Boog and TLR were the ones with the problem

Carp was pretty emphatic about wanting Boog at short when he was pitching. And yes, as much as I still love Scotty, he’s had problems elsewhere too.

A really good example of Tony being an asshole is with the comments made about the Edmonds-to-Cubs situation. Edmonds said something totally innocuous about being happy to be in Chicago, and Tony didn’t take it very well. FWIW, Tony later apologized.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely!!!!
A really good example of Tony being an asshole is with the comments made about the Edmonds-to-Cubs situation. Edmonds said something totally innocuous about being happy to be in Chicago, and Tony didn’t take it very well.

That was pretty shitty. Jimmy was the better man, no doubt. TLR showed his true colors there….as he did with Ozzie.
I wouldn’t use “class” and TLR in the same sentence.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hardly call it a quirk

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 31, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Bell will get a deal and net us picks. I’m more comfortable with bell in a One run game in October than boggs.

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by Stash Musial on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But...

This season Bell strikes out fewer per nine and walks more than Boggs. Something to think about…

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm heading to the game tonight

And I forget the limit on the size of bottle of water you can bring. Can anyone help me out?

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 31, 2011 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

The last few times I went

my dad and I brought in six regular sized bottles with no issues…

Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.

by Whiteyballer on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to know too.

Clarify, please? What is a regular sized bottle?

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here it is

From the A-Z guide about Busch stadium:

Non-alcoholic beverages including water and soda in open cups or in clear plastic bottles no larger than 2 liters are allowed

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanx!

If I were a lawyer, I’d read that to say that my alcoholic beverages had to be in something else!

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

One liter of vodka.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I was thinking

In high school they allowed students to have water bottles around my senior year, but they had to be clear bottles, and that’s what some students did.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always emptied a clear green bottle (7-Up)

and filled it with beer. Got away with it every time.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

this.

1. buy a small thing of vodka

2. put vodka in car

3. go to QT and buy the biggest drink they have

4. empty out a quarter of it and fill it with vodka

5. have a good time at stadium

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

6. enjoy passing beer money for other people.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

that too.

i occasionally throw down $7.25 to enjoy my pint of schlafly at the game, but that’s about it.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me and a couple a buddies in our earl twenties did this...

Things got out of hand…

Cussing ,,,,one guy beating the seats…spilled drinks….stadium cops…one smelled a fallen cup and said oh my god, …we were escorted out.

funny now but damn it was ugly then.

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by Red Blazer on Jul 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is about how much you'll need to watch the Cards these days

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by vivaelpujols on Jul 31, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more I watch Descalso play, the more intrigued I am

He’s obviously no Albert Pujols, but he’s shown great range, a cannon for an arm, and an approach at the plate that has improved as the season has gone by.

I don’t think he’s the worst thing you could have at 2b or SS, though an offseason and spring training of working at SS would most likely help.

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 31, 2011 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

2012: SS and maybe 2B are open

Furcal — $12M option (No way)
Theriot — arby (no, plz MO)
Skip — Arby (???)
Punto — FA
Greene, Descalso — >2nd yr MLB;

Seems Greene & DD can be the backup MIFs. We’ll see if the Cards are serious about Craig at 2B. IMO we still need a starting SS.

by gocards62 on Jul 31, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have always like players like descalso

and I believe he can adapt and play an adequate and possibly good SS until we can develop someone better.

Also, if he can break the tendency to go after the high outside pitch too often he could become a a pretty good hitter. He is a good ballplayer. I like him. He has a flair for the spectacular.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yessir!

He doesn’t choke under pressure either. He may not always come through, but he’s always hope at the plate.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Descalso, and Greene, I think are very nice options going forward for a platoon at either second or short.

I still would like to get a good player at one of those positions though. DFA Theriot and Skip.

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by vivaelpujols on Jul 31, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is Hendry doing?

Why wouldn’t he trade Pena – the guy isn’t netting them a draft pick, and there are lots of teams that could use him. I don’t get the Cubs or their fanbase.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Have you seen Al Yellon's article from yesterday at BCB?

He is screaming for rickets to force Hendry to just blow the damn thing up. Keep garza, dumpster, Castro, zambrano, and Marshall. Trade or DFA everyone else

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96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Al doesn't get it any more than Hendry...

Garza should be the first to go, either now or in the winter. He’s the only guy who will bring a top prospect. The Cubs went for it in 07-08 by taking on a bunch of bad contracts – the strategy worked. The only hiccup was tough luck in the playoffs. Their problem now is that they don’t seem to realize that those contracts are/were bad and that the team is just going to suck until they expire. They should’ve moved Z before that bullpen stint last year, they should’ve traded Dempster when he was good, and they should dump Soriano for whatever salary relief they can get.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was my line of thinking as well

Keep Castro, Barney, Colvin. Trade everyone else

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If anybody can figure out

how to make the Cubs win, they could become Mayor of Chicago, by a landslide.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's even worse than you think

Not even Rahm Emanuel and Pat Quinn will raise taxes so the rich-ass Ricketts can fix up Phil’s Corner Tap. The $100-200 million renovation looks like it’s going to come out of Cubs’ revenues, not Illinois and Chicago taxpayer hides.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

they need to trade absolutely anyone that can return anything of value

with those terrible, terrible contracts, they are going to be bad for at least a few years
it’s not like that fanbase would abandon them

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Yellon. He deserves a better team

Just about the only guy who can make me feel pity, or remorse, for a Cub fan.

he writes well and cares a lot. he really does deserve better….

YOG

by YearOfGlad on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree on each point.

Except for the “cares a lot” part. Yellon writes like an engineer.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was astonished by that

he’s always so optimistic. He’ll get down for a couple days and then bounce right back. We were joking about him being delusional yesterday, and then he goes and does that.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the deal with Colorado dumping Jiminez

If he is under team control for a few years and is still a great if not outstanding pitcher, why trade him? Is there something wrong with him. Did he get Mark Mulder disease?

Just win

by The Duke on Jul 31, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I said it when his name first came up as being available

And I’ll say it again now: The Rox are scared shitless about his velocity drop. That couPled with the nice package they got made the trade a yes for them

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

whats the deal on Furcal?

Is the trade finished? Who’d we send to the Dodgers?

by rumors on Jul 31, 2011 9:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

trade will be announced today...

…Waiting period expires around noon. We’re sending a non-roster prospect, and we’re getting back, in addition to Furcal, the Dodgers’ last remaining 2, 3 or 4 million. Dollar amt needs Commish approval.

by RedAllOver on Jul 31, 2011 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

who gets sent down or dl'ed for Furcal?

…Worried that Puma can’t go tonite, and he gets DL’ed to make room…

by RedAllOver on Jul 31, 2011 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

stl today says yes.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

No paper trail?

a real secret weapon?

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does he pitch too?

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by Craig Wilson Can Juggle on Jul 31, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's got the arm!

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

no paper trail, cause we made him in the lab

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77

by d-dee on Jul 31, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

out of pure grit

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Cardinals play the Astros

in the last three games of the season.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can kiss

one of the last three games of the season off if Bud Norris is stil healthy and pitching

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we could have put together a better package

Jay, Kelly, boggs and cleto?

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by Stash Musial on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Red Sox are out on Harden

If we are going for it, this is the kind of upside guy I’d like to see for post-season. I hope Mo is looking at him.

Just win

by The Duke on Jul 31, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Who's our Lars Anderson?

Matt Adams? I’d be a little bummed about that….

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

hand delivery went wrong

/itsajoke

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Sawx

are passing on Harden because they don’t think he’s healthy enough to finish out the year, would it be a wise move for the Cardinals?

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

everyone knows he fragile

but now that the Sox have destroyed his value, we might be able to get him for little or no return. Lightning in a bottle

Just win

by The Duke on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't say

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP

by mojowo11 on Jul 31, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furcal

I’m guessing we send DJ Tools.

As for the trade itself, I like it. Low risk, relatively high reward. IF Furcal has a good couple of months here, we might get him at a bit of a discount if we choose to bring him back next year.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Tony loves Furcal, but Moz never pays for MiF.

If he paid for middlers, we would have had Polanco for the last four years.

by RedAllOver on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

bourn to the braves

houston gets jordan schafer (OF) and 3 others

FIRE TONY LARUSSA
randy winn > corey patterson
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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Here at Houston, EVERYTHING MUST GO!!!

MLBTR link to the zoomzoom exclusive.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everything

but Clint Barmes. Seriously.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now, if they would just trade norris

We could beat them

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

why don't they trade him to us

since he just rules at busch?

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

houston cashing in pretty well

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, considering Minor was rumored to be a part of a Pence deal.

MLBN just said 3 of the guys will be ML contributors next year, but that Atlanta was lucky to not give up the prime chips.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how baserunning, defense, and OBP...

doesn’t bring much in a trade, but simply being an ungraceful white guy reels in the top 50 prospects.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think Mo even made a courtes call?

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by Stash Musial on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure...

Bourn is really valuable – maybe people don’t buy the formulation that pegs him as a five win player three years running.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read the headline as "No Paper Tail"

and I thought… “OOOH! A dirty, little article about Dirty Dan!”

Boy was I disappointed! But, I like Dan. He has done nothing by play perfectly acceptable baseball at positions that have been manned unacceptably this year (mostly SS). I’d take him over Theriot any day.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

i meant "but play" not "by play"

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, no

you follow the money

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not Dirty Dan...

Dirty Dan follows the honeys!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

but

with a face like that he probably needs the money to get the honey.
No offense, Dan!

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

You apparently didn't know about all the hot, blonde Dutch tail he pulled

after the liberation of Eindhoven.

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

no, I didn't.

well then, Liberty > $ in Eindhoven!…as it should be. But I bet he needs the money here. (just looking at face value…pun intended).

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it making you Anzio-us?

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

OT must I wait so long for shark week

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Umm, wat?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/mariners-cardinals-discussing-bedard.html

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

he's been very good this year

nut sure i understand the potential move beyond that, though

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please do.

PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!

Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club.

by Stash Musial on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seriously

What the hell?

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

will they send us boog, as well?

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Descalso has been a cromulent utility player but let's not "over-expose" him

Bq. There seemed to be a wide consensus that he was a nice complementary player and maybe even a starter on a second tier team. He’d be confined to second base, maybe third and would be adequate there.

IMO, this is still fundamentally correct. I would be fine for DD to take the LHB part of a platoon at 2B, assuming we don’t have a full time option there. Otherwise, I’d have him fill a standard utility player spot.

Also, he seems like a “guess” hitter to me. He doesn’t control the strike zone well, especially against good pitchers. Again, he seems like a .300-.310 wOBA hitter, which is fine as a backup, but not a starter.

I do not think he is a viable long term option at SS. Again, he could fill in, but his range is subpar compared to ML quality SSs.

Last, I do think he has shown himself to be a good baserunner, so that is a positive.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with this.

As much as it’s tempting to want to plug him into a starting spot, I think his best value comes from being the utility player that he is.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

DD as guess hitter

that sounds right. He has taken some really ugly ABs; seems like those typically come against power pitchers. If the league figures him out and he can’t adjust, he might get really frightening at the plate.

But I like DD; he seems like the archetypical TLR utilityman. I think he could make the transition to short, if he gets a full offseason to work on it.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bedard?

If we are going to get an injury risk pitcher, Harden should be our guy. Bedard? Really Mo? Unless Bedard comes with a certain SS. Not because we need Boog, just cuz it would be awesome.

by rumors on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

nobody will trade for harden today.

As for Bedard, Seattle wants hitting prospects. Can’t imagine they would take Tree Hamilton or Twig Carpenter.

by RedAllOver on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I rec'd it.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

the missing link...

4. Oquendo takes the reins, Cards win the WS

(The Secret Weapon promulgates middle infield love with Boog [SS] and Furcal [2B], crafting Boog / Greene into +ML regulars, turns Craig into an adequate 2B, and amalgamating Dirty Dan as "The Secret Weapon v2.0)

While Spinning.

How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?

by streamman on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

DD at Memphis

I recall seeing DD when Memphis came to Austin last year. He had a real good game, and I had to come home and ask my computer “Who is this guy?”

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

no

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Castellanos*

Not bad, Mo. Not bad…

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by hr on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with that, that was my guess yesterday.

He’s a tweener OF, a little old, and doesn’t have good plate discipline. Could be a 4th OF in the majors.

I still like Daryl Jones better than him.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

someone called this

and i’m perfectly okay with it

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

This stinks...

Theriot is going to feel bad.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is he still on the team?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

all assholes and elbows, eh?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe,

but on the other hand, it’s a trade that they shouldn’t have had to make. It’s fixing a mistake they created in the first place, IMO.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well.....

Furcal has more upside then Boog.

And Cleto is a better prospect then Castellanos(sp).

So I’d say we “win” that exchange.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea, now that it has to be made.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we really need Bedard?

Pitching depth is always good, but it begs the question – Who gets bumped out of the rotation?

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Obviously either Westbrook or Lohse

I’d say Westbrook just by considering their performances this year, but I can’t imagine him as a great reliever considering his groundball approach. Does he have many relief appearances?

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by hr on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

you have him start warming up about the third inning?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to think Bedard is going to be too expensive

to just use him in the bullpen. I really don’t understand the Bedard thing unless Westbrook is on his way out.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know why Westbrook would be on the way out.

It’s funny to me that Westbrook takes so much abuse on this website when his advanced stats are quite good. He has an xFIP and SIERA under four.

Westbrook is the classic guy right now who should pitch better in the second half.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

I don’t understand it, either. I’m assuming that Lohse doesn’t have much value on the market, though, and he also has the NTC. I think if we were going to flip someone, it’d have to be Westbrook. And considering we’d definitely have to give up real prospects for Bedard, I just don’t understand the logic in that.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

because the bump that xFIP and SIERA give westbrook

Comes almost exclusively from regressing his HR/FB rate to average, where westbrook has a career HR/FB rate of (without looking) about 12 percent. He has had a long enough career that it’s very likely that’s his true skill. After such a big sample size, there’s no reason to regress his HR/FB rate.

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by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Valdes

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valdes is already in the minors.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 31, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's Mo

I’m afraid they would flip Carp.

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not joking

I’ve lost all faith in Mo’s ability to be a cromulent GM.

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've lost faith in the word "cromulent".

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

you take that back!

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope,

wouldn’t be prudent…or cromulent.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

now there's a word to grab onto.....

but isn’t it enbiggen? I’ll have to check.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

embiggen

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEB: where we debate the spelling of made-up words

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Jul 31, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's what makes us so

cromulunt.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 31, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

if that is the case, then McLellan gets traded for Bedard...

…I’m just prayin’ they are not trading Lynn. His ceiling is unknown. He could end up being a closer…

by RedAllOver on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well we have to even it out to make sure there's suckage

Scrabble, Jackson – win
Dotel – Eh
Patterson – Suckage
Furcal – Win
Bedard – Suckage

by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Patterson's 6 PAs and 3 Gs so far for the Cardinals, he's already accumulated (not sure what word would be best) -.1 WAR

How terrible is that? Projected to a full season, that’s -5.4 WAR, and I know that’s a ridiculously small sample size, but still, that’s awful.

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the -.1 WARis basically 0 even if WAR says otherwise

if he put up -5.1 WAR over a year, yeah that’s the worst year ever.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and in EJax and Scrabble's one Gs, they each have .1 WAR, while Colby has -.2

I know it means absolutely nothing, I was just curious about it, interesting too. Colby doesn’t have a H in 13 PA yet, I really hope he breaks out soon, I ’d love to see him be successful and stick it to TLR

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Colby's actually an improvement over the Jays' regular starting CF, Rajai Davis, who has -.3 on the season, crazy

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

colby had a couple hits today i thought

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if The Continental would update his sig

Seems like he isn’t cut off for this gig.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hush, you.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh okay, Fangraphs just hasn't updated yet, good for him

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

but i’m not a stat-head like a lot of you guys are. i’m not bashing em by any means, but i’m just not into the ‘advanced’ stats like a lot of VEBers are.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

advanced stats like his 3.45 ERA?

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

W-L isn't a good yardstick.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd, because it's McBain. :)

From the blackhole of the Iowa TV market.

by icardinal on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

i have the f'n zoomzoom reputation to uphold

i’m trying my best, dammit!

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tallest midget.

God I hope Furcal is healthy and has something left.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's not a positive thing, really.

In other news, Seattle has a better record than Houston.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ackley, with all of 141 PAs, is #2

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by lightbulb on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has the 3rd most RBIs on the team.

I know that’s a lousy stat, but for Boog to be driving in more runs than most anyone else- something is broken.

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least he's driving in runs.

Go get ’em, Boog, and send the highlight reels to Tony.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, sure. Happy that Boog is having a good season.

But holy shit is that a terrible offense.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea,

it really is a sad thing when Boog is one of the top RBI guys on your team. I’m just happy to rub it in TLR’s face when I can. It beats shingles!

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

the worst.

in baseball, pretty much.

get some runs

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jul 31, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

.295 wOBA boog

.293 wOBA theriot

how embarrassing for TLR

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure TLR has his rationalization all set.

I don’t think he lets anything in that contradicts his view of the world.

Who is TLR's next victim?

by spfldbird on Jul 31, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I'm sure he'd say he's not embarrassed

but he probably is on some level. or should be I guess. he coulda saved face a bit if he’d have stopped playing theriot at short a while ago and went with DD

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine it's a poster board that says simply CLETO: 10.80 K/9 with none of his other ML numbers

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

.285 wOBA for Greene

with much better defense.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

TO be fair the difference in BABIP for DD and Tyler is .40 points

and DD’s wOBA is only .20 points off in wOBA.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah
I do think tyler is probably a better hitter than dirty dan. but will we ever find out...

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should know by now.

he’s a better choker though.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

how would we know by now??

he has NOT had enough plate appearances to tell. he has not had any consistent playing time at all. so tell me, how we should know by now.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

He had consistent playing time between mid-April and mid-June. He missed only 10 games during those two months.

by Forsch31 on Jul 31, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just about to look that up.

Seemed like he had one or two extended periods over the last few years.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but most of those games, he was a pinch-hitter.

Or late replacement. He rarely started consistently.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

well,

just my opinion but, how long has he been on this team? He hasn’t seemed to be able to put enough together to merit consistent playing time.
I could be wrong, but he’s had enough opportunities to show his worth…and I think he has done exactly that.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any chance Furcal starts tonight?

I say get him in the lineup ASAP so we can see what we have.

I’m feeling a lot better about this team now then I was 10 days ago.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he probably caught a flight last night.

He wasn’t in the game last night. Anyone know if he was seen at the game in LA?

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought someone said he was in uniform. Don't know for sure.

This trade has been simmering for ~2 days now. Hopefully they’ve had transportation lined up for a while now.

I’d expect him to be in the dugout, at minimum.

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

There were twitter comments

that his locker was cleaned out by the time the game ended and that the players didn’t get a chance to say goodbye. I’ll try to link to them.

by ubeddie on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Link – from Dylan Hernandez ~2 am ET

Rafael Furcal’s locker no longer has a name plate. Locker was empty except for a bat, a pair of sandals and two bottles of lotion.

Link – from Beto Duran ~ 2 am ET

Furcal left before game was over. Kemp didn’t say goodbye “one of best SS out there. When healthy he’s dangerous” #dodgers

by ubeddie on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two bottles of lotion?

Dude’s hardcore.

Kinda sad that he didn’t say goodbye to his teammates. I wonder how that worked? If it was his decision or what.

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he was eager

to get out of Dodgertown.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

his teammates all had to go work the late shift in

The mccourt’s shoe polish factory after the game to keep the mccourt’s finances flowing.

There’s a lot of players whose agents did not read the fine print on their contracts.

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by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   3 recs

I know you are kidding.....

But adding Jackson to the rotation, cutting some dead weight in the pen and adding Scrabble, Dotel, and KMac, and now adding a SS that has the potential to be really good for us…..I’d say we’ve improved as much as anybody in the NL.

Now we just need to get Berk in the lineup, and the boys need to go play some good ball.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

We've gone sideways...

Skip and Patterson are starting in the outfield. The Giants, Braves, and Phillies all improved more.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

watch out for the Phillies.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on.....

They said Berk was healthy enough to start last night. He should start today. That means what, those guys started 2-3 games?

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

you actually still believe those reports?

of course they could be true, but I’ve heard that line often enough to know that until he actually plays and proves he is healthy…

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

warm fuzziez.....

like fresh drier lint?

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jon Heyman
#cardinals to pay $1.4 mil of furcal’s salary

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Trading Deadline! Wheeeeeee!
@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Rangers appear to be losing momentum on #Padres’ Bell. #Cardinals still possible. Talks fluid.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep.

I’d be quite happy for that not to happen in the next 4 hours.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to say.....

I’d like to have somebody a bit more seasoned out in the pen. Seasoned AND good.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

As MLBN is talking about Bedard to St. Louis...
@MatthewHLeach
Matthew Leach
Have seen same reports as y’all that #StLCards could be in on Bedard. No idea how he’d fit, and no confirmation from Cards people yet.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

More Leach
@MatthewHLeach
Matthew Leach
With that said, #StLCards have had some interest in him in free agency in the recent past. Not TOTALLY out of the blue.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

jersey # switch
Furcal is taking No. 15… Jay switching to No. 19.

(per bj rains)

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Jay is taking one for the team...

or taking 19 for the team
or taking 19 for Furcal.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be honest, i was surprised 15 was issued post-jimmy

i think the cards should retire 15. i might start the #retire15 tag on twitter.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the point.

The Cardinals haven’t given 51 to any other player as far as I know.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It appears so, yes.

In any case, 51 isn’t retired. It’s kind of set aside. It doesn’t really have the cachet of a lower number like 15. Not a lot of players are clamoring for 51.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe they are...

 but they’re dyslexic and think it’s 15.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

for a few games

before fans got angry about it and bud switched to 52

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

14 isn't in the Hall...but he should be.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't tweet, or twit (well, maybe twit), or whatever it's called

But I’m on board with that idea. Sign me up by proxy.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

BS

Furcal isn’t Larry Walker…

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Official:

stlcardinals St. Louis Cardinals
BREAKING: Cardinals acquire SS Rafael Furcal from Dodgers for Minor League OF Alex Castellanos.

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

The dodgers

better try to get Matt Adams to go along with Castellanos if they want him to hit. His hitting fell apart when Adams went on long DL stint this year…Oh wait they still have Kemp though.

by ridgesee on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#astros look good for 2017

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Heyman might be the dumbest guy among the national baseball media types...

Wade trades a four win outfielder for upside – gets crushed for it. Wade trades a four win outfielder for filler – gets crushed for it.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it 3 yet?

this whole trading-for-bell-and-bedard thing is making me nervous.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

jim bowden
There is no Heath Bell deal as of this moment…but one club just moved…stay tuned #TRADEs

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

unicorns and shit
Straight from John Mozeliak: Cardinals sensing no traction for Bell. #Salas

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

whew

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

So AZ would you kill me if I changed my avatar?

Because I want to…

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

So how was Shelby?

Still no write up…

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see Shelby.

I’m in Quad Cities. I got to see Rosenthal who was awesome.

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.

by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah...

thought you were in SF.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't wait until az has kids.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's going to end up married to like a Kindergarten teacher who wants like 12 kids.

And it’s going to be awesome.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was singing "Jack and Dianne"

by John Cougar Mellencamp in the car yesterday…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

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by bgh on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

this made me chuckle

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a catchy diddy!

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.

by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

ditty

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I’m more likely to be listening to Diddy than Mellancamp, FWIW.

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.

by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

not me

I just found the thought of you rather amusing. Don’t ask me why.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's supposed to be a

listening to Mellencamp in there somewhere

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sing in the car endlessly.

The only time I pause is to curse and/or flip someone off to vent my road rage.

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.

by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

you sound like a friend of mine

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I song non-stop too.

I’m sure people think I’m strange, but I like my music, so they can deal with it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's a legitimate "business" expense to dig into the future redbirds kitty to get some noise-cancelling earphones.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

....wick

TBrownYahoo Tim Brown
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Cleveland getting close on deal for Ludwick. Deal not complete yet, according to source.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Full-Circlewick

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

does the deadline end at 3 cdt or 3 edt?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

4 EDT, 3 CDT, 2 MDT, 1 PDT

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks. t minus 2 hours, 56 min

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just don't understand what we are going to do with yet another SP

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's party like it's 2012!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Selig changed it this year to 3 o'clock GMT but no one got the memo...

all these players will be returning to their original teams.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody else notice

that DD has struck out swinging at high outside fastballs several times in the last two series. I believe scouts have found a weakness for DD and he needs to adjust.

by jjray on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I bet he will.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

projected lineup (b/c i'm bored)

furcal SS, jay CF, pujols 1B, holliday LF, freese 3B, molina C or descalso 2B, schumaker RF, laird C or descalso 2B, westbrook P

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

for tonight? berk comes back, you know

furcal SS, jay CF, pujols 1B, holliday LF, berkman RF, freese 3B, molina C, theriot 2B, westbrook P

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by hr on Jul 31, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

if furcal is playing i doubt he is leading off

at least i hope not.

schu 2B, jay CF, pujols 1B, holliday LF, berkman RF, freese 3B, molina C, furcal SS, westbrook P

this is a good lineup. so it probably won’t go this way.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this much better.

It’s amazing how much 1 player could change the complexity for the better.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I just hope Furcal, Berkman and Freese will be healthy the rest of the season and in October if we make the playoffs. If all goes well I like our chances.

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by KYCards on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

in his first game?

i mean, yeah, you are probably right. but i disagree with that move.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

That’s part of the reason we acquired him.

Also, doubt Theriot starts at 2B tonight against the RHP (assuming Furcal starts at SS).

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by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be tempted to start Theriot at ss

just to show Furcal why he’s here and that he’ll be welcomed.
Then put him in in the 2nd inning.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furcal knows all about the riot...

they were the Dodgers MIF last September.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

then just to drive the point home.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't want him sick to his stomach

before coming into the game.

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, I guess you're right. It'd be fun though.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

diamondbacks picked up brad ziegler.

i’m digging this. they are trying to make a run. don’t know if they are picking up the right guys, though…

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

i tend to agree. beltran is a game-changer

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 31, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

esp when he forms blazing sword

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd.

From the blackhole of the Iowa TV market.

by icardinal on Jul 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

where it's due

that meme started on the sbn mets blog

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

so obvsly Furcal passed his physical....

that’s a good sign right?

…right?

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

who did the physical

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

dr. spock

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dr. Spaceman.

Spuh-cheh-man to you.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 31, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope there was a physical.

All I’ve heard was that the Cards were waiting for his medical records.

Colby in TOR: .000/.083/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

the guys on MLBN are saying King Felix to Yanks

any real possibility of that or are the just flapping gums as usual?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

*they

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

They

Was Mitch Williams.

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by Stash Musial on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

didn't hear anybody arguing with him

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems inevitable...

if not now then some day.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

what? why? thatd be crazy

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

to keep up with the Sawks.

I’d say that Boston is holding the edge on SP right now.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

what do they have

that would pry felix’s contract away from the M’s?

Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

they were betting on a package around

montero and Betances

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

NYY should give them whatever they want for Felix

if they’re actually willing to trade him. That would be a huge get. And it’s not like the Yanks actually need a farm system.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

I’m surprised they didn’t get Jimenez.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's what they were betting on.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's was just Mitch Williams who was saying that

Vasgersian said that if that happened he’d have to take back calling Williams an idiot

by bailorg on Jul 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah. I just had it on as background noise, could tell who was talking.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit

*couldn’t

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heyman
#mariners are keeping league. bedard still being discussed, tho. #redsox, #stlcards

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, so we're in the Bedard race

to up Theo’s offer. Now it make sense

by gocards62 on Jul 31, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be ok with bedard if the price is right

I wouldn’t want to give up anyone in our top 10 though.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Matt Carp?

You have to figure he’s more valuable than Harden and the Red Sox gave up Anderson.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

but our supply of guys named carpenter!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like matt carpenter, I personally wouldn't do it

Bedard probably gets hurt and we lose out on the prospect IMO.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twitter

joe_sheehan Joe Sheehan
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Need lefty help on the DL. Good move. RT @MatthewHLeach Have seen same reports that #StLCards could be in on Bedard. No idea how he’d fit

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a bullpen move?!?

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, the Braves got Bourn for close to nothing...

that trade may actually be worse than what we got for Rasmus.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

stav!

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No top 100 prospects. The best player HOU

Got was ATLs #9 prospect. Plus Bourn has another year of team control and sent ATL cash, WOW.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What if we traded two of Rosenthal/Gast/Kelly/Swagerty/Lynn..

plus Jay and Sanchez?

That wouldn’t be “nothing.” Okay maybe Abreu is slightly worse than Sanchez and Schafer is way more boom/bust than Jay, but that’s about what the Braves sent.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait now, Schafer is not even close to Jay. Id say Chambrrs would be more comparable.

I guess “nothing” isnt really fair but Sanchez was also our #4 prospect going into this year….mlbtr said the other two pitchers were #24, 27 in braves org….i dont.think Rosenthal, Gast, Lynn or Swaggerty are anywhere close to that. Maybe one of them plus Chambers plus a couple other lower level pitchers.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The two starters are 21 and 23 years old and pitching effectively in AA...

One of them will likely become a serviceable member of the Astros rotation.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just surprised they didnt get more thats all

And I don’t think Jay+Lynn+Kelly+Sanchez is anywhere close to what they got.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well I think the OP was just stating

They didn’t get much in return. Why weren’t we kicking those tires? The braves significantly upgraded at minimal cost. We marginally upgraded at potentially great cost with Colby. Bourn for a hodge podge would have made up for the Colby deal IMO.

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by Stash Musial on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would think our pitching depth is pretty comparable

If not better than ATL, in terms of prospects.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Schaefers career line in majors:

.223/.310/.303, compared to Jay its not even close, plus he is 24, so its not like he is really young either.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It is I just meant comparing him to Jay

Its not like he is way younger. Plus its not like he has done much at the ML level yet to be considered much more than a prospect still.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

heheheh

typing impediment?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The braves have 6 untouchables as far as I know, so I'm surprised they could get it done.

Imagining him in our lineup is awesome
Bourn CF
Furcal SS
Albert 3B
Holliday LF
Berkman 1B
Craig 2B
Jay RF
Molina C

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

does Chambers play center?

I’d like to see him get a cup of coffee in September.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice.

hopefully he gets called up when the rosters expand and steals all of Derperson’s minutes.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they took close to nothing for Bourn, I would think

They would be happy to pretty much just let someone take Wandy off their hands, his contract is awful. I am pretty surprised about Bourn, esp considering how much they got for Pence.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

seriously?

I don’t think I would want to do that, but I may have an unnatural attachment to Taveras. I drool every time I look at his numbers.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i know

I’ve read that Kelly and Rosenthal both probably end up in the bullpen, so it makes sense. I just don’t want to give up Taveras for anyone right now.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a huge contract to take on.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

3 years/$34M (2011-13), plus 2014 club option

    signed extension with Houston 1/25/11 (avoided arbitration, $10.25M-$8M)
    $1.5M signing bonus
    11:$7M, 12:$10M, 13:$13M, 14:$13M club option ($2.5M buyout)
    option may become guaranteed based on performance
    option becomes player option with trade

Colby in TOR: .000/.077/.000 0HR 5K/1BB 7/30

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

13M is about market value, I guess it's not an outstanding deal

if we give up prospects to pay market price.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

3.33yrs and $38M

He’s also 32 and has thrown a ton of curveballs.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had no clue he was that old

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Baby face...

I was very surprised as well.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You shut your dirty mouth

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

haha fair enough

Rosenthal looks good if he can pitch anything like this once he reaches AA, but right now his overall line isn’t that impressive..

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

idk

im a fan

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're kidding, right?

K/9 >9, sub 3 FIP, age appropriate level

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96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

again, I think a lot of pitchers can do this

I’d like to see him face more advanced hitters before I get more excited than I am about him.
He’s still a top 15 org guy IMO, I just don’t consider him untouchable, and I ’d rather trade him now while he still has value.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think a lot of guys could do that,

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

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96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Otherwise a lot of guys would be doing it

I do agree though, he should not be untouchable. But the package you brought up up for wandy is a gross overpay.

Trev is more than just top 15. I’d like to see where you rank tyrell jenkins

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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I consider Jenkins above Trevor just because of ceiling even though he hasn't done anything

he’s probably our #5 guy.
I’m not trying to make it sound like I’m a rosenthal hater, he could very well keep this up into st. louis, I’d just like him to do it at a higher level before I get more excited.
Considering he was a sleeper at the beginning of the year, I think the wait and see approach is best, just because he could easily end up in the pen.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how you can put Jenkins higher than rosenthal

If your reasoning is rosenthal needs to do it at a higher level. Rosenthal has been better than Jenkins at a higher level. And no one knows rosenthal’s ceiling. That’s part of what vein a sleeper means

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

FWIW even Keith Law ranks Jenkins at ~#47

I just consider the upside more than the actual performance, and I think even with Rosenthal’s upside, he’s still likely a reliever when he reaches the majors, I’d rather rank Jenkins ahead of him.
I’ve never had to explain my reasoning for my rankings, but it’s definitely understand why you’d rank Rosenthal ahead of Jenkins.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would people say is the line at which we

should set our expectations for the number of functional major league starters out of our current crop of minor league pitchers? I’d put it around 2, but that’s based on not much. I’d be interested to hear what those who have watched prospects for longer think.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Jul 31, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen the "Rosenthal will be a reliever" line of thinking before

What am i missing. I’ve read enough reports to say with confidence that he has a good fastball, a good to great breaking ball, and a serviceable change-up…and he seems to have the stamina and strength to keep his velocity up deep into games….that sounds like a starter to me

Having said that, I will readily admit that I have never seen him pitch, so my impressions could be off. I would like to know why people look at him and think “reliever” though

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've only seen him pitch once so far, but my overall impression was

he’s good, but I’m not sure he’s a future MLB SP good.
so yes, I think he can stay a SP, I’m just trying to be conservative with his projection.
He could struggle at some point, and need the added life that comes with moving to the bullpen to succeed.
I’ve never got a good read on his offspeed stuff, but I know he doesn’t use his fastball 80% of time or some astronomically high rate like that/
His curveball looked good from my limited sample, but I’m not sure it’s a plus.

so yeah, i’m still wait and see on Rosenthal.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed with waiting and seeing

i feel the same way about jenkins and martinez

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goldstein liked rosenthal more than Kelly I believe.

It was in a podcast I heard on FR.

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Goldstein liked rosenthal more than Kelly I believe.

It was in a podcast I heard on FR.

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by Stash Musial on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He looks so happy to be here!

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Where are the beach balls?"

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT A GOON!

i love that picture.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

O/T

out at the bar last night, they were randomly showing a lengthy highlight reel from Marshall Faulk. Damn. Just….damn. Such a thrill to watch the guy play….they were showing plays in slo-mo, but Marshall looked like he was moving at regular speed compared to everybody else. Just silly.

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

He's one of my all-time favorites

I followed him all the way back at San Diego State. Absolutely loved that guy.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm glad i became a rams fan during the GSOT years

faulk was awesome

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faulk was the guy that made that whole offense work

they were still pretty damn good without him but he’s the guy that made them all-timers. You couldn’t stop both the run and the pass at the same time, you had to pick one and hope. It was so much fun watching guys catch the ball 20 yards down the field with no defenders anywhere near them over and over. Faulk’s versatility is what made that so brutal. Plus he was so terrific at blocking and as the checkdown guy on deep patterns.

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never really fully appreciated faulk while he was here.

and was kind of wondering why he was so popular with everyone.

that being said….um….yeah….

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh my goodness

IIRC they traded a 2nd rounder and a 6th rounder to get Faulk. Total steal. I was so excited.

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a huge Colts fan while he was there

I stopped rooting for them when he was traded.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

my best friend's parents had two season tickets in 1998.

before the 1999 season, some of their best friends who sat next to them decided they were giving up their two seats and my friend’s parents bought them. when his dad drove to their house to pick up all the stuff, he said “hey, they just got this faulk guy, they might be pretty good.” my friend’s dad couldn’t have run out of there faster.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

true story:

we used to go to trivia at a bar, and part of the game was making up the most offensive/funniest team names you could think of. One night, Marshall Faulk happened to be eating there. We named our team “Marshall Faulk’s Illegitimate Children” (this was awhile ago, I swear I’m not still this immature/prickish), they read it aloud over the mic, and Marshall actually took it well. Was actually kind of chuckling under his breath. In short, one of the most talented RBs of all time and he can take a joke….cool dude.

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by mattyp on Jul 31, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

marshall faulk, issac bruce, kurt warner, and torry holt...

four of the best athletes saint louis will ever see and four of the best people saint louis will ever see. every one is a stand up guy.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

warner gets points for his charity work and what not.

though i dislike his wife.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

brenda most definitely is.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

never really cared for her

she seems like the proto-typical NFL wife that you see in movies.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was weird when the Warners had identical haircuts

but I really liked Kurt Warner. (Sorry for the size)

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by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

are we sure she didn't just superglue a wolverine to her head?

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

choose your own meme

albert pujols
or honey badger

check back in a few hours

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Warner’s kind of a goober, but I don’t hate him.

I am glad he didn’t win with those Other Cardinals, only because I still loathe Bill Bidwill.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally admire the guy.

He took the hard road and came out on top without an ‘everybody can suck it’ attitude.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martz' scheme is also terribly hard on QBs

Marc Bulger has tattoos all over himself like the guy from Memento. Warner took plenty of abuse too.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I follow NFL

but I’m kinda glad that he got taken down a couple of pegs

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Martz?

I’m still angry at Vermeil for walking. Somebody had to be able to overrule Martz. The defense just quit on him in 2000. They might have won three Super Bowls in a row if Vermeil didn’t retire and then immediately go to Kansas City.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck dick vermeil.

who walks from a super bowl team, “retires,” and then goes to KC? fuck dick vermiel.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he didn't accomplish fuck-all in KC either

I don’t know what he was thinking.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the rams honestly might have won 3 straight super bowls with him.

he could have been immortal.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

OF ALL TIME

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, martz.

he was a classic case of where his ego overloaded his ass.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is.

but we won the super bowl. it’s an even exchange.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, that's bizarre

where was it?

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Duffy's

in the shopping center with the Clayton Schnucks. I highly recommend their trivia night, assuming it’s still going on. Wednesday nights, I believe.

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by mattyp on Jul 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marshall used to go to Massa's (which is now Amici's) in Kirkwood semi-frequently

And then after would cross the street to Ice and Fuel, buy the place out, and play arcade games all night.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck, are you serious?

that’s awesome. I had no idea.

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean its only hear say

but that’s what i always heard

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by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went to trivia there sometimes!

Wash U what what

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP

by mojowo11 on Jul 31, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's your source? that's nothin!

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are you suggesting?

that 5 degrees of separation between me and this supposed source isn’t legit?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone could say the cards are going after bell

at this stage, i don’t think anyone’s buyin.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

little over an hour and a half left

getting the impression that Bell might just stay put.

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it's not clear, i'm being tongue in cheek with my rumor mongering

but hey the guy was right about berk….so who knows?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i believe you

i dont know why but i do

yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man

by sociopath on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

do that same thing, only angrier and more self-aggrandizing, and you can be joe strauss!

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

that's a pegasus. NOT a unicorn.

come on, this is serious business.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

bollocks

i’d cry if my unicorn didn’t come with wings

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a pegacorn.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what's an elf?

OMG the British Office is so much funnier than ours. Especially now.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this x1000

I finally put my snobbishness aside and gave the American version a chance a couple months ago. Its pretty good as a show on its own but its just not even close in comparison to the original.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

not if you want to meme around these parts.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

its true i am very rusty on my VEBing (pronounced veebing?)

but poker is gone so maybe its time to get back on the VEB daily posting grind

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by slu on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

recently

I’ve been pronouncing VEB as “Veeb” in my head, by analogy to the BBC (aka the “Beeb”)

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

well the Britishness of it is unparalleled

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

almost half of the new memes are non sequitur memes.

(if anyone’s interested, I dropped a recap on il rosso recently)

so basically if they don’t make sense, that… might be the joke. maybe.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

so like this

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that girl is a choreographer now.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is this

I don’t even

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 31, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that from

“The Neverending Story” or something like that? I’ve seen parts of it, two kids saving the world (or something) riding on some giant, weird beast.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 31, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you saying?

That movie is awesome.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loved that move as a kid

bad acid trip as an adult

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.

by azruavatar on Jul 31, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wolf thing haunted my nightmares as a kid.

Also, is there anything more existentially terrifying than Nothing itself?

Yes, there is. Those sphinx-lady statues that try to kill you with lasers out of their eyes or whatever it was.

Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.

by mattybobo on Jul 31, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

polarization of electromagnetic waves...

brain melting…

how the hell do you do this kind of stuff every day, clank?

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

better question

why do i always wait until the day before the test to read the material for the first time?

at least next week is the last week of this horrible summer

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

who gets sent down for furcal's spot?

i’d say cruz or greene

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

greene

but i’d rather it be cruz

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

watching a brian wilson commercial.

anyone else tired of that schtick?

yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man

by sociopath on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

but it’s made him a lot of money

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

your beard was cool in october, but several months later, it’s boring.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

that’s a pretty good comp, actually

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

I get it, he has a beard and he’s a weird guy.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

it was funny for a couple months, but enough already….

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

with the caveat that if he was driving TLR crazy by pulling that act with the birds and bats on his chest, he would be my hero.

"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx

by monkeysareblue on Jul 31, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm amused

but it is kinda childish

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

mo needs to offer the farm for felix

dammit im serious

yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man

by sociopath on Jul 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

This.

"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx

by monkeysareblue on Jul 31, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about

Shelby Miller, Carlos Martinez, Lance Lynn, Bryan Anderson, Zack Cox, and something called a Corey Patterson for Felix Hernandez?

King Albert, King Felix, WS Champions 2011

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by monkeysareblue on Jul 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

this would be what happens to me on July 31. It’s like a trade-happy annual werewolf.

"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx

by monkeysareblue on Jul 31, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.

by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck yeah!
Ken Rosenthal
Source: #Rangers get Bell. #tradedeadline #MLB

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

mitch boggs's sphincters are not untightening until he hears about bedard.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

curses!

i’m gonna go ahead and say they overpaid though. hard not to when it comes to type A relievers.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

whew

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

might not be for bell

but rather for adams

yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man

by sociopath on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah
Evan_P_Grant Evan Grant
I’ve got different info. Rosenthal reporting Rangers get Bell; I’m told it’s actually Mike Adams.

by tomsteele on Jul 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This just in:

Padres to have a kick ass bullpen forever.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

this, and with petco being their home

people can overvalue all of their pitcher when they get old enough to trade.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This should be their MO...

every year trade a reliever for 2-3 pitching prospects, then go and draft the best bats they can find.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

loll

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My bad: It’s Adams, not Bell. #tradedeadline #MLB

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adams for Wieland and Erlin

so what does that mean for Bell? Getting nervous again….

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

So what do Wieland and Erlin

compare to in our farm system? Who did they want for Adams – who is a clear upgrade for any bullpen?

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

we don't have a wieland type in the org really

I mean he’s probably a more advanced Rosenthal at this point with way better control.
Erlin is a kelly comp, but 5 years younger.

The package is better than anything we’d want to give up.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, yeah...

The package is better than anything we’d want to give up.

Figured.

by stlfan on Jul 31, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

that and we need a more advanced pitcher who isn't miller or martinez.

I think Deryk Hooker could’ve been that guy if he were still healthy, other than that Cleto is the other guy that is a probable.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

are we REALLY still playing for heath bell.

SOMEONE STOP THIS MADNESS

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

80 minutes to go!

(A lot of bad things can happen in 80 minutes).

That said, Bell will bring less than Adams, so we know what the maximum damage could be.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

what’s a good comp to Wieland & Erlin in the Cards system?

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure...

Erlin = Jenkins in 2013 if everything goes well?

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think

Mitch Boggs, Tyler Greene, and Seth Blair would be enough for Denard Span?

The bigger guestion: do you think Ryan Theriot would be enough for Jim Hoey?

Also, what y’all think of this: Bedard and Ryan for Theriot, Bryan Anderson, Jake Westbrook, and Adam Reifer?

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by monkeysareblue on Jul 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW... you have the best sig ever!

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by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha thanks

I love that quote.

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by monkeysareblue on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

In case you guys missed it

Colby finally got a hit. He was helped a bit by Josh Hamilton, but he’s no longer 0-fer

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Huzzah!

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent

Who is TLR's next victim?

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Was perusing the internet for some good Photoshop material, and I found this,

It may have already been posted by someone else, but I love it

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is a good pitcher.

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by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

two walks

Weaver is pitching for the Angels, quite the matchup.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jered Weaver

is officially a tool.

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by monkeysareblue on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

I’m not surprised, he’s the modern Nolan Ryan with better control.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to sign him if he ever became a FA, the guy is amazing.

Edwin Jackson has stuff similar to Verlander FWIW, but he’s no where near the pitcher. I’d like to see Edwin learn from Waino and Carp.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah when both verlander and jackson were younger they were pretty much compared equally

but jackson has not had the control that verlander does. still, it’s pretty cool to have someone in our rotation now who could get compared to verlander in some way. verlander lite heh

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

brad penny? wat

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson/Penny doesn't seem like a good comp to me either

BR’s comps for Jackson by age….

  1. Kyle Lohse (973)
  2. Mike Moore (969)
  3. Fausto Carmona (962)
  4. Jeff Weaver (961)
  5. Chris Carpenter (960)
  6. Sidney Ponson (958)
  7. Livan Hernandez (955)
  8. Jason Schmidt (955)
  9. Javier Vazquez (954)
  10. Kevin Gross (95

bwahahaha

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

in terms of stuff

not a guy who strikes out a batter an inning despite throwing 98 a lot.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson's a lot better by FIP/xFIP

Penny is more of a groundballer and Jackson’s K/BB is better.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

however

do you remember when penny started the all star game and came out gunning 100mph heaters past everyone?
that was awesome

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penny was great for us before he sprained his ego

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently he didn't sprain anything else....

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i mean

he didn’t sprain anything else.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

the funny thing about his back is

it’s located on his… ego?

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never did understand how a muscle strain = 4 1/2 months on the DL

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously I mean for their careers

which actually favors penny more from a glance.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

With all this hooplah about moving BJ Upton... he's still a Ray?

that could be awkward

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by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Andy Van Slyke sounds off on Rasmus
“According to what I read, he’s never been happier (being traded) since he’s been a Cardinal,” Van Slyke said. "How can you be happy being traded from the St Louis Cardinals? It’s the most nonsensical thing I could ever imagine.

“I couldn’t have been more upset than when I got traded (to Pittsburgh). It took me a month to get over it.”

The comparisons of their skill sets may be valid, but Van Slyke, 50 years old now, said he could see no comparison on an emotional level.

He said Rasmus’ apparent happiness at being traded "shows you how totally emotionally different a player he is than I was. He’s going from a potential playoff team to a team that hasn’t won anything in 20 years.

“If he stays where he is emotionally, he’s going to be the same player he is right how. His whole game is derived from emotion. He doesn’t use his intellectual mind; he uses his emotional mind.

“No wonder he’s never performed the way he should have.

“Then his father says the Cardinals have changed his game. Well, I would hope so,” Van Slyke said.

“He and his father think he’s still playing in high school. He continues to throw the ball to the wrong base and not break up double plays. You can’t do those things at the big-league level.

“It’s up to the Toronto organization to keep him accountable, like Tony (La Russa) and his coaches tried to do.”

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

what a tool.

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually,,,,It sounds apt.

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by Red Blazer on Jul 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

i refuse to believe that van slyke knows anything about the situation outside of what he read from strauss and is just making blind comparisons between himself and colby.

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liked him as a player,

worthless as a talking head.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This...

also, in case no one noticed, the Blue Jays have been clearly better than the Cardinals for at least five of the past six years.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

it usually takes a juggernaut to get past Boston and NY

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are parts of this that are correct.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

true.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

f'n

in the sense that propaganda is usually built on kernels of truth, well sure.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

both TLR and colby deserve to be called out

because they both handled the whole situation poorly.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

but Tony hasn't knocked anyone up recently

…..wait.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

has anyone spotted a floating bunny rabbit?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

igotdingdangolefeelingsandtheygottabepaintedblack

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ijustlovedingdangolesunnydayrealestate.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

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by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were lots of problems with colby rasmus, lots of things that i was disappointed in.

you could quiz me all afternoon on them, and “not breaking up double plays” would not come out of my mouth. if that’s high on van slyke’s list of beefs on colby, i think even less of him.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair how old was he when called up?

lots of hype, never heard of a clear mentor..not saying he’s faultless, but i agree both sides have a lot to learn

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jul 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleveland setting the record for trades?
@richardjustice
Richard Justice
Hearing Astros close to trading Wandy Rodriguez to Cleveland for 2 minor leaguers.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

o/u x number of wins for the astros the rest of the way?

I think 15 is a good line

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by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe...

but they are absolutely doing the right thing. Cubs’ fans are the ones that should be lighting torches and sharpening the pitchforks.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's painful when a team has an all-out firesale like this,

but it’s the right thing for the Astros (and Cubs) to do.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Astros are pursuing the correct course of action

I would argue that they’re not executing it very well, however.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh agreed...its really about 3 years overdue for them to be selling hard

but its still gonna be fun to see the lineups they put out the rest of the year.

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by slu on Jul 31, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schafer replaces Bourn...

Lee goes to RF, Wallace goes back to playing every day. Addition by subtraction. Wallace and Schafer need to play every day to build up their value.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lee isn't moving to RF

JD Martinez will be there, Lee will continue to play LF and 1B.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems dumb...

not to play wallace…

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

For example...

Jocketty signed Cairo to a two-year contract. If Todd Frazier were given 250 at bats a year, performed at his talent level, and got lucky with bip, he’d be worth a lot as a trade chip.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's just madness

Tell Lee that it’s been fun, and send him to the ranch.

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, but if they can't trade him

isn’t that WAR mostly useless in this case?

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that. You know that.

But Drayton McLane didn’t know that…5 years ago.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure...

if you believe he’s suddenly an elite defensive outfielder.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but he's played 1B well. And he has a .330 wOBA.

the WAR calculation is what it is. I get tired of people discounting it when they don’t like a player but using it to it’s full extent whenever the number appears to support a player they like.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 31, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go take it up with those people...

Benching Wallace in favor of Lee is a dumb thing to do.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lee is a funny player to look at.

Last year, he had a .308 wOBA with 24 homers. I find that impressive.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

they're trying to contend...with a brand new team!

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by SheckieZx on Jul 31, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

give him away with carlos lee

that should even it out.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Between the Cards and Indians

CGirl must be having quite a day.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

what minor leaguers?

that sounds like something i’d want to be a part of

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

RJ on MLBN right now.

Yankees involved, other teams too. Wandy is moving somewhere, but Ed Wade is choosing where.

Sticking point is teams want Houston to help pay for Wandy’s contract.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

pham and rosenthal for bell.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

yes.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

doable

but still, Bell is no major upgrade. Is he better than anyone in the BP not named Dotel?

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not advocating for Bell by any means

He would make our bullpen better for the rest of the year, though, and the Cardinals are clearly still interested. If they’re going to trade prospects for Bell, I wouldn’t be overly upset over losing those two guys.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

does he?

he’s probably better than Dotel, and maybe a touch better than Boggs. I don’t think he’s necessary at all.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he's better than those guys, then he absolutely makes the bullpen better

I don’t think he’s necessary, either. But I’m not the one trying to trade for him.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valdes?

"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"

by KlausChadman on Jul 31, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd do that

Joe Kelly and Ryan Jackson were who I was speculating would be a good package but I bet the Padres would prefer yours.

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by slu on Jul 31, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

ick. i am very reluctant to give up on pham since he's pretty much the only remaining member of the high minors with a serious

chance of starting regularly in the OF. certainly not to beef up our already pretty good bullpen (which has already improved with k-mac and scrabble). demoting mitch boggs to get heath bell seems like a pretty marginal tradeoff.

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by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus Pham is a RH bat

With Jay and Chambers currently slated for CF, that’s a valuable platoon or 4th-5th OF option.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

JASON BOURGIOUS

3 run shot against the crew

yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man

by sociopath on Jul 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

let's go astros.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet.

Guess who started him today? /NCAYFT

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gorgeous Bourgious?

Richard Justice just mentioned that Bourn, Bourgeois, and Crawford all played on the same high school team…and they won a state title. Hell, they probably won a track title at the same time.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

That had to have been entertaining as hell to watch those guys in high school.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, that must have been something

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

could you imagine the 4x relays with them on it?

the very epitome of greased lightning

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw you Marx...

Long live the Bourgeousie!!!

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

also from the PD
After going six for seven in the first two games against his other former team, the Cubs, Theriot said, “(Furcal) is a great guy. His track record speaks for itself. I was able to learn a lot from him and he’s a winner. He plays hard and he plays the game the right way.”

So, he’s on board with the trade?

“Of course,” said Theriot, smiling. “And if I wasn’t, I have no choice.”

La Russa and Theriot have talked in recent days, some of which when Theriot wasn’t even playing, and they broached the possibility of Theriot playing second base.

“When my name’s in the lineup, I’m going to go out and I’m going to play hard. I promise that,” Theriot said. “I’ll play whatever.”

“That’s the kind of player he is,” La Russa said. “That’s the answer you expect.”

Not mentioned is that Theriot’s one condition for playing second base is that Tony has to put the gun down already.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm not buying "i'll play whatever"

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you think he's going to refuse to play?

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They act like Theriot is Ozzie Smith or something...

he might not be in the majors next year at any position.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just Crash Davis approved platitudes.

None of it means anything. Virtually nothing any of these guys say means anything, and never has.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, exactly

especially since Theriot has previously stated unequivocally that he doesn’t like playing second.

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by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was focusing in more on Tony's statement of

“that’s the answer you expect.”

/ominous music, lightning in the distance

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

+1

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

except that he pointedly said he did not want to play second in the offseason. so, in fact, he's exactly the kind of player to

say that.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This sounds kind of like the plot to OJ Simpson's "If I Did It"
"Of course," said Theriot, smiling. "And if I wasn’t, I have no choice."

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by jd is legend on Jul 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

carlos guillen showboated after hitting a HR off weaver. weaver not happy, both benches warned. weaver intended to send a message w/ next batter, HBP’d, tossed. weaver still mad at guillen

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh boy...
@CaminoTribe
Nick Camino
Just received more confirmation, #Indians minor leaguer Matt McBride in an Akron hospital with eye fracture. May hold up Jimenez deal.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yowza

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's the time??!!

and what are you drinking

did I do that right?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

dammit I knew i was messing it up

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

(for the deadline, rather.)

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

pepsi

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strawberry Fanta.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it 45 minutes left?

is there a water clock made of beer?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clobby with a double!

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds OK to me
ScottMCBSSports Scott Miller
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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

They needed to get something equal to two high draft picks...

the Cardinals were thought to be offering Boggs and a lesser prospect. If they couldn’t do much better than that, then they are better off keeping him.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you assume Bell

Would not accept arb, given his current 7.5MM salary, and the disincentive of team’s signing a reliever and giving up a draft pick.

I don’t think it’s obvious that he declines arbitration to stay in SD given a possible $8MM salary in arb.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 31, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep.

and dotel threw me a ball in the bleachers right after the game was over. he was traded the next day.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

it has bench clearing brawl written all over it

btwn what happened w/ weaver & guillen, trying to break up a no-no with a bunt…

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're all done trading, right?

no chips to have bizarre brawl injuries?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope not...

45 minutes to go.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many deals report after the dealine?

I remember one or two happened last year post deadline.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't say that

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

1/2 hr - hour after the deadline things sometimes come out.

Maybe not as much anymore what with the twitterin’ and the bloggin’ and what not.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another E-1 by Verlander

Grounder to 3rd…throw is to home. Rundown, and Verlander drops the ball trying to make the tag.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Poor rundown defense.

Verlander’s attempted tag took place at the home plate dirt. Aybar literally ran 180 feet during the play.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

gave up a run but still has the no-no going

E1, Aybar to 2nd
GO, Aybar to 3rd
FC fails to get an out, run scores

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction

No error given to Verlander on the tag, it appears.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI - Shelby did not have a good game last night.

Did not make it out of the 5th inning. The S-Cards still won. Here’s a write up from News-Leader. Pop Warner was pretty critical.

Who is TLR's next victim?

by spfldbird on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

i think starters of all calibers should be brought up when they're ready

good ones are likely to be ready sooner, so…kind of

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think of getting more out of their arm

too much time in the minor leagues could add more wear and tear. but I guess you can’t get around that

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Izturis breaks up the no-hitter

some days you eat the bar….

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

wait wait, *which* Izturis

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

maicer

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon Houston Scrubstros!

You can beat’em! (Game’s tied, 3-3, going into bottom of the the 5th.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, but wouldn't it be fun to try?

After the first pitch I’d probably have to step out of the box, laughing.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably not

I think most of us would only be able to watch one such pitch at a time, cause we’d need to change pants in between each one.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

i doubt i could foul it off while diving out of the box, which would probably be my only response to 100 mph heat

coming anywhere near my person.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

my confidence level would be directly proportional to the amount of bubble wrap handy

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can barely square up 100 at the cage...

varying the location and adding a curve would leave me flailing hopelessly.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually able to nick a 90 MPH pitch eons ago in HS...Once

I doubt I could even make out that it was a baseball at 100, now.

by mattyfrommo on Jul 31, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Verlander=Nolan Ryan

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Speaking of Strasburg

It sounds like he’s likely to start a rehab assignment before long

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nats could be good in 2013

but there is probably going to some setbacks at some point for them.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

now they're saying luddy to pittsburgh.

link.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 31, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Derrek Lee and Ryan Ludwick hitting back to back for Pittsburgh…..fucking weird, man

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

Too late for them IMO. Now they are what, nearly 4 back? I know there is a lot of baseball to be played, but they needed to make a move sooner, or just hold off and hope they can improve their lineup next year.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

these are see we tried moves

in case the cards or brewers falter, they can still be in it

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

ubaldo deal official.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

what is their rotation now?

Jimenez
Masterson
Tomlin
Carmona
?

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huff.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, wasn't sure

he’s only made 2 starts so far for them this year.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just came back and did well his first start at least.

So they moved him into the rotation.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carrasco...

the guy they got in the Lee trade.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, he seems to make more sense than Huff

but Cgirly probably knows more than us.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah ClemsonGirl

tell us about the Indians and stuff.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huff is the probable pitcher for Tuesday.

Carrasco hasn’t been doing that well recently. From what I can tell they have been sort of switching between the two of them. Because both of them still start and so do all of the people you listed.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And now I realize you had already added Jimenez to the rotation.

So disregard this. I would think Carrasco is most likely. Sorry I am very sleepy.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

has the world blown up yet?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

So, 20 minutes to go

Furcal here – good
Bell still in SD – good
Bedard still in Seattle – ?

I’m really not sure why the interest in Bedard. It seems he’s regressed the last couple of years. Of course, I haven’t followed him that closely so I may be totally off base there.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 31, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

3.39 xFIP this season fwiw

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's still good

just this year

8.51 k/9
2.96 BB/9
3.39 xFIP

If he could do that for 10 starts it be awesome for us, but he’s likely to give us 5 pitches total.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK,

not too bad. Like I said, I hadn’t heard much of him since he went into exile (Seattle). Still not sure how we’d fit him in w/o flipping Westie or KLohse (ain’t gonna happen, NTC).

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be interested in Bedard if and only if he's super cheap

what happens to Westbrook? I can’t see a fit.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

14 minutes...

we’re not getting bedard.

not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

that's long enough for sexual favors.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

crap, I keep hitting post.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

TMI

"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.

by StanTheManFan on Jul 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

woah, y2s...

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if they keep making these deals behind closed doors!

I feel entitled to any narrative.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

so it is whispered, sirrah.

so it is whispered.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

so we get bedard for a PTBNL

and in this case the “P” does not stand for player

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i won't speak for fritz

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor Heath Bell....

he’s like the boyfriend/girlfriend that can’t take a hint.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

ludwick to the pirates....

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

whaaat? gah!

at least they didn’t buttress their rotation, which is the biggest problem for the team

No one expects GERALD. F. LAIRD.
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by hr on Jul 31, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT

Jeff karsten has a 2.5 ERA!!!

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

REGRESS??????!!!

you’re just a pirate hating cardinals fan!!!
All star KEvin Correia and Karsten are aces!!!

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

$1M a year?

we can always sign two 8-8 pitchers next year.
-angels coach in 1970s on Nolan Ryan

just felt like bringing that quote up to show how far we’ve come.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

brass monkey!!!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

that funky monkey

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

[rapping part]

brass monkey!!!

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

funny i recognized him that way when he first was a cardinal

when nobody knew who he was. i’ve told the story before.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houston has the bases loaded, two outs, down a run

Altuve up

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

no pressure, kid

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the wee one!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

FUCK

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yay us!

we survived

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta wait for the late returns, but
sdutSullivan Tim Sullivan
 by dgoold
Heath Bell in uniform for national anthem.

that is good to hear.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our uni's or Pads?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: I don't know what my wife did to that roast she's cooking

but it smells phenomenal.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

My wife is not a good cook,

but she has roast down pat. Mmmmm.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta say that my wife can flat lay out a spread.

When you put the feed bag on here, you won’t be able to walk afterward.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

To her credit, she's worked really hard to get pretty good at a few specific dishes.

It just doesn’t come naturally to her.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

some have it and some don't

but you have to applaud the effort anyway.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

bedard is going somewhere

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
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bedard has been traded.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

by slu on Jul 31, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

ooo

Postscript.

Is John Mabry still on the roster?

by zack3315 on Jul 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

crossing fingers

not the cards

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess "Sox" is Red Sox, if it doesn't specifically say White Sox these days.
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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.
dgoold Derrick Goold
La Russa said “still deciding” whether Furcal will be in lineup. Likely weighing temptation to start new guy vs Furcal history w/ Dempster

At least he’s ready to go it sounds like.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

ah, no.

he’s struggled against dempster his entire career. adrenaline won’t help.

by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 31, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Tony wants to pass up the chance for good TV?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol...

can we get a designated lineup coach… please.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean Furcal is 6 for 39 with 9 walks...

you bench a newly acquired player for this?

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

walks don't mean much

it doesn’t do anything for BA, does it?

/runs and hides

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, MLB.tv is dead right now.

Anyone else?

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm. It's OK now. Carry on.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tied in Philly!

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

go phillies & stros

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

good bye future closer

stupid shoulders

/he’s dead to me now.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea...

He’ll be awful if/when he returns…no need to be excited about him moving forward. Salas looks to be the guy for the next several years

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean he's still only 21

but he’s just too hurt.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was looking for that

article that showed pitchers before/after shoulder surgery…can’t seem to find it, but the results were mostly horrendous

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll make a fake stat

4% of players are back to former self after shoulder injuries.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is from a John Hopkins article on pitcher shoulder injuries
What are the results of surgery?

Generally most players can get back to their previous level of throwing, and it takes on average 9 months for most players to be able to compete. What type of rehabilitation in the first few weeks after surgery depends upon the type of procedure done, but by three months the player should have most of their range of motion back. A light throwing program can be begun around four months and it takes about three to four months to get all of the conditioning done to have the stamina to throw competitively.

There are not many scientific studies on the success of these operations. The more traditional operation, where an incision is made on the front of the shoulder, has been reported in the scientific literature. Two years after the surgery about eighty percent of players had returned to their previous level of throwing. What this means is that a majority of players get back to throwing, but even with surgery some may drop out of the game, sometimes for reasons other than their arm. However, we tell players that this operation will not make your arm bionic, and it will not make up for poor mechanics. It takes hard work to recover from the surgery and there is a great chance that you can participate again.

The results for thermal capsular shifts have been reported at scientific meetings but they have not been published in journals where the results can be scrutinized. Early reports suggest that the thermal shift does return a large percentage of players to throwing, but the exact percent is not known. The studies show that there are few complications with this operation, but the gold standard to which it is compared is the open procedure discussed above.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

*weeping*

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by stlcardsfan4 on Aug 1, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

For those wondering, Ludwick's Home-Away splits are pretty much the same

more unlucky in petco, but overall he’s been slightly below .700 OPS this year.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

tie ballgame in MIL!

k-rod WP

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 31, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I find that very amusing

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

St. Louis Cardinals
STL Lineup vs CHI (7/31): Schumaker, 2b; Jay, cf; Pujols, 1b; Holliday, lf; Berkman, rf; Freese, 3b; Molina, c; Descalso, ss; Westbrook, p.

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

little disappoint!

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Descalso hitting 500/500/500 vs. Dempster

Theriot hitting 333/333/667

Just think if we had a non-genius manager trying to decide between these players.

DFA Patterson!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 31, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boo

stupid SSS

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

suspenseful bastard, ain't he?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

berkman is back and theriot isn't playing and he put DD at SS

beside the fact furcal isn’t playing, i can most definitely deal with this.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

soooo

Red Sox get: Erik Bedard, Joshua Fields
Dodgers get: Tim Federowicz, Juan Rodriguez, Stephen Fife
Mariners get: Trayvon Robinson

Purple_haze, RB! Tell me more!

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Trayvon Robinson has a lot of power, I guess the dodgers were impressed with castellano

who is pretty similar although at a level lower and older.

I don’t know the guys the Dodgers got.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops

add Chih-Hsien Chiang (from Red Sox) to Mariners haul

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by BVHeck on Jul 31, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

@BJRains
B.J. Rains
Furcal given the locker right between Pujols and Molina.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

this is like the perfect bj rains tweet.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't move away and form Club Fookie, dude

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gah. Phillies threaten, but come up empty.

Bonus baseball in Philly!

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

damn

Brewers win 5-4, sweep ’stros.

WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT

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by hr on Jul 31, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm kind of over it.

going 5-2 on the homestand was always the goal, and that’s what looks likely to happen.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

JINX!!!

Seriously though, don’t expect a win or GOB will not be kind.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT

is anybody concerned about the new grass? There sure has been a lot of slipping and sliding going on. I hope nobody gets hurt.

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by Dave Pendleton on Jul 31, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

bono'd?

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 31, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It really looked bad yesterday.

It needs more time to take hold.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

and fewer hot, dry days

good luck with that

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEB search "Bono"

groundskeeper → no seppuku yet

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by Yadi2Second on Jul 31, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looked even rougher live than on tv.

But it’ll grow back quickly.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 31, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

cardinals going out of town for a week...

it’ll be fine for the brewers series starting next tuesday. but yes, this week was rough.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blame Bono and God (the hundred degree weather with no rain).

Though if some people are to be believed (read: Bono) those two are the same thing.

Is John Mabry still on the roster?

by zack3315 on Jul 31, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't noticed any Cardinals having trouble with it

everybody that I can think of that’s slipped has been a visitor. Could be wrong….

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, I noticed that too

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by Dave Pendleton on Aug 1, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

so the new lineup should be:

Furcal, Jay, Pujols, Holliday, Berkman, Freese, Craig, Molina

new bench:
Patterson, Theriot, Schumaker, Descalso, Laird, Cruz (one has to go)

rotation:
Carpenter, Garcia, Jackson, Lohse, Westbrook

Bullpen:
Motte, Boggs, K-Mac, Scrabble, Dotel, Lynn, Salas,

Line-up and bullpen are World Series quality. The rotation is good, but not great – I’d feel a lot better about it if the Phillies didn’t have Halladay, Lee, Hamels. The bench is disgusting. Too bad we couldn’t pick up a power bat, we need less second basemen.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Craig will be on that bench soon.

Gonna be interesting to see who goes then.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah crap

Just saw that you have him starting. I don’t think he’ll start much.

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

descalso and schumaker are good off-the-bench MI's.

and craig coming back will help the outfield depth/bench. you have to remember that just about everyone’s 24th and 25th men on the roster suck.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

how dumb would it have been to acquire Heath Bell?

Heath Bell 2.97 FIP | 3.88 xFIP

Jason Motte 2.48 FIP | 3.34 xFIP

Mitchell Boggs 2.97 FIP | 3.37 xFIP

The Cardinals already appear to have 2 closer type of bullpen guys that are actually better than Heath Bell.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

nasty boys

btw, just saw chris perez’s stats. wow, bad.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be All Star Chris Perez

A guy I work with keeps telling me we should have given up Motte.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

bwahahahahah

who is that guy heh

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't have had a problem acquiring Bell

Nay, I would actually have been happy about it… But only if the trade was Lohse/Westy and Stavinhoa for him and Tim Stauffer (who’s actually their best SP, surprisingly), I would have loved that deal

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I consider Latos and Luebke to be better long term

I’m sure Strauffer would be a no go though.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i would also love if the marlins would take this box i pooped in, plus half a sandwich that’s been in the fridge for 2 weeks for stanton and hanley

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, john gets it

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure there was more to the deal.....

or SD would have jumped all over it. Don’t you agree?

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i agree

but any deal with bell as the centerpiece would have to have been worse than what we got

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

pythag says cardinals should be up 2 games on the reds for first in central...

and comfortably ahead of giants/dbacks for the 2 seed.

WHAT IS GOING ON

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

probably a game, sure.

but we’re underperforming by two games still.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

we've been performing pretty close to our Pythag most of the season if I'm not mistaken

Cincy has been way under and Milwaukee has been way over, which I just don’t understand

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

me neither

but I know Bud Selig has to be involved somehow. The brew crew is just a little too good at home.

by peppermartin on Jul 31, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

SSS also Pythag isn't perfect

understand it fang before using it.
/yeah i’m a jerk.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck off.

i know what pythag is and i know it’s midseason.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 31, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean 2 games is hardly off our pythag record

it’s not like we’re under performing because it’s lower than the “expected” record, too many variables for pythag and not a large enough sample.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

traditional pythag is kinda crappy

run the numbers again using expected runs allowed/scored

the brewers probably creep up there

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pence helping out his new team.

Just doubled in the 10th.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

That'll do it. Phillies win!

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweep the Pirates!

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are you saying?

that’s like cheering on the IRS.

by peppermartin on Jul 31, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole Pirates in the pennant race thing is all fun and games

until you look around in Aug and realize they’re still in the hunt. Time to say goodnight, Bucos.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, so Cards/Cubs on ESPN tonight

That means it can’t be watched on MLB.tv anywhere, right?

by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 31, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll be watching it from Brazil!

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can add a proxy server to your browser which bounces your requests through a different network.

You can get a list of proxies at proxy-list.org.

I’ve been using 201.45.252.245 port 3128 lately.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are truly a king among kings.

i will try to make this thing happen. thank you.

by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 31, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep the proxy enabled until the video stream starts, then disable it.

You just need it for the blackout check.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

k. will that help hd streaming?

also, on the opening page of proxy-list… any particular settings i should choose?

thanks again.

by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 31, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, you only need that to look up a proxy server.

What browser are you using?

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd just try the one I posted earlier first.

It’s been pretty reliable. These public proxies can go down at any time, though.

I stick with transparent proxies at port 3128. Those generally seem to be pretty solid. I think the Elite ones require a subscription.

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

i.p. address works, but video won’t load. says “technical difficulties; please try again later.”

by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 31, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you get if you go to

http://whatismyipaddress.com

It should say ISP: Embratel in Brazil

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by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

NFL

never seen a team so upset with the departure of a …..Center, but Kruetz was there a long time…

There you have it. Already Twitter talk from #Bears players that Olin Kreutz’s exit does not go over well.

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jul 31, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

yikes

Olin Kreutz’s #Bears career ends with 183 starts, 2nd behind only Walter Payton (184) in franchise history.

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Jul 31, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh heh heh
Sky_Kalkman Sky Kalkman
So the Red Sox received Erik Bedard in exchange for ANOTHER TEAM’S TOP TEN PROSPECT? That’s brilliant!

Sky_Kalkman Sky Kalkman
Maybe the Twins could have plucked Storen from the Nationals in exchange for Zach Lee.
5 minutes ago

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Maybe the Reds could have plucked BJ Upton from the Rays in exchange for Jerry Sands.
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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Sickels's view of Castellanos, the prospect we gave up for Furcal

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/7/31/2307902/prospect-in-the-rafael-furcal-trade

C prospect.

Nice move Mo. I’d like it lot better if Theriot was cut in favor of Tyler Greene, but then what axe would I grind?

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 31, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm fine with optioning tyler greene

he can come back in september. if theriot’s released, he can’t. and it’s very possible that we could need theriot in september

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't know

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

if I'm reading the rules right, you have options for the first 3 years you're on the 40

and spend part of the year in the minors.

He was placed on the 40 in september of 2005 (not sure if it took an option)
he played all of 2006 in the minors (one option used)
he hasn’t had any time in the minors since 2006, so from what I understand
he has at least one option, and possibly two.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has more options than Tyler Greene

who will have to remain on the roster all year next year to play for us.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he would not have used one in 2005

unless he was sent down after being placed on 40-man.

However, he’s very close to 5 years of service time, which means he might have to approve the demotion.

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by SleepyCA on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna go ahead and say that this was a stroke of genius

it’s not Reyes, but it’s still an all-star quality SS for next to nothing.

by peppermartin on Jul 31, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha he put up big numbers at Springfield... Who doesn't?

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, right, well I've chosen to completely forget about the Hell wrapped in a nightmare that was Pete Kozma

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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 31, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

we still have patterson

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming Furcal plays fairly well the rest of yhe way and stays healthy,

What do you think it would take to resign him?

I don’t see how we would bring Theriot back again next year and the upcoming FA class is really weak outside of Reyes and with Hardy now off the table.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 6:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Rollins!!!!

seriously

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean if we got Henry Rollins to ask him to stay

Maybe even sing him a song?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

umm... 4yrs/44M

haha, he’s probably worth that.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

woo

dang

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that. Also, thats not much more than what we are paying Theriot right now, is it?

We could resign Furcal to a one or even two year deal at around 6m per (i’m thinking kind of like the deal Hudson got this year with SD), then decline arb on Theriot and Skip and let Descalso take over at 2nd and we would actually save money.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd rather keep descalso in a utility role, even if it's at the cost of Tyler Greene

Descalso has a .296 wOBA so far this year, which doesn’t make me very happy to see over 500PAs.
What are some other options? I mean in Free agency.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mostly unrelated, but I think the best move we could make this offseason

is to not sign FA Tony La Russa.
I hope he’s a type A and we can get compensation picks.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

At SS, it is really Reyes and Rollins.

Outside of those two it is really weak. Thats why I wouldnt mind seeing us bring Furcal back as long as he is healthy. Esp over bringing back Theriot.

by mick311 on Jul 31, 2011 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Zack Cox for 2nd!!!!

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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I want Matt Carpententer to be a part of this team so much.

You can have your Tyler Greene fan club. I’m all in for the li’l Carp fanclub.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Matt Carpenter more than Tyler Greene even if it's not obvious

I just know Tyler Greene is better than Theriot and Descalso.

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, especially as Rollins is only a year younger than Furcal

and I like Furcal’s price tag better than Rollins’s.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

furcal is 33

might be better options for next year; but if it’s not too costly maybe sign him to a one year

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF does your leadoff hitter need to be gold glove calibre?

bowden

Frank Wren told us that to find a gold glove caliber lead-off hitter is really tough they haven’t had one since Furcal

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

well,

the gold glove has really only been given to people who are good at offense, so it sort of makes sense.

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by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows, but i'll take a gold glover anywhere in the lineup

Ideally more than one in every Cardinals lineup too

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by mtzxc on Jul 31, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we know Sanchez's injury yet?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Thanks for the specificity

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

that's all I know

he was hitting 97 during his assignment though

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by CodyG on Jul 31, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably did more damage there

The cardinals have a chronic
Problem with sending players with shoulder injuries back out to fast. Berkman is scaring the bejeezus out of me

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Strained right shoulder is what the mothership injury report says.

Due Back: Possibly September (puh-leeze)

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't need 60 data for a "shoulder

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You don't need 60 data for a "shoulder

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You don't need 60 days for a "shoulder strain"

I’m betting he has a mild to moderate partial thickness tear, and they are trying the conservative approach

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep

Good thing RH relief is for the most part fungible

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't know if this has been mentioned here yet,

but I feel bad for Jay always getting jostled around for his number. That’s what he gets for liking a round, solid number.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

He should just take 51.

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard some people clamoring for it to be retired

Not sure about whether that will happen. In any case, he was my second favorite player to watch as a child.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I support this.

(Since those jerks won’t retire it)

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 31, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

WWL won't shut up

about hand-egg.

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by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

NFL preseason is pointless to watch

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is

I usually like watch only 1 game of it

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

silly hand-egg

NFL preseason is pointless to watch

FTFY

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by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

-1

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know.

i was being silly. just because i don’t like it doesn’t mean you guys can’t enjoy it.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This made me laugh

keithlaw keithlaw
Because STOP USING RBI ALREADY. RT @RavenB33: How is Ludwick an extra outfielder? He has 64 RBI on a team with a terrible offense.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

i love the fact

he has his own url shortener.

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do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't mince words when talking to fools

I like that. It’s sort of a guilty pleasure.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 31, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

luddy has a 93 wRC+

crappy BABIP though, he should do a lot better on the pirates. arrr

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a dick, aybar.

why would you try to bunt in the eighth inning of a no-no.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

nexdef'd

i know

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the tigers' pitchers still

can’t field. heh. still, though, i’m of the opinion you should try and get an “honest hit”, even though i guess that may not be the best from a “the game is close and we’d like to win” perspective.

"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. It was a 3-0 game.

I don’t think you can bitch too much about it. If it was 10-0, then yeah.

by bmorgan on Jul 31, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought a bunt in that situation should be considered fair game

if you don’t want him to get a hit, field the bunt.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-0.

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do not mess with yadi f. molina

by il rosso on Jul 31, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

3-0 at the time of the bunt

2 runs scored that inning (8th) for the Angels.

Final score, 3-2.

by TBender on Jul 31, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just talked to my gpa about the trades.

He is an older gent and he really only sees onfield performance. He understands the minors and prospects, but he just doesn’t really care. He is having some bad luck with his health this year and is really hoping the Cards win another championship in his lifetime. He was unhappy with Rasmus’s production and KMac’s performance. He told me we got a top line SP, three good bullpen guys, a improved SS and a bench piece for a struggling CF, 3 disasters, and a outfielder he had never heard of. So he was quite pleased. I know that the trades had more impact than that, but my gpa approves.

by rumors on Jul 31, 2011 6:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

my happiness over having a decent ss that can both hit and field, and getting McClellan out of the rotation

outweighs my anger at larussa for not being able to deal with colby. after all, my main goal is watching an mlb team compete to win the world series

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup...

but for god’s sakes when is somebody/anybody on this site going to heap even the tiniest amount of blame on Colby? Its not like this was entirely TLR’s fault.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think plenty of people said Rasmus and Papa Rasmus deserve some of the blame.

Myself, being a very big Colby fan, included.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well is it interesting then?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing as I've been looking at it for 13 minutes...

but no, it looks pretty similar to what I’d expect, except your avatar has more you and less Colby.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a fellow arsefan

I am jealous of your avatar.

Also, do you read arseblog or 7amKickoff? Very good not SBN related arsenal blogs…7amKickoff in particular is very stats oriented

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I follow both on Twitter.

I have read some of both.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah yes

twitter

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you watch the game today?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

haven’t forked over the money to watch online at the .com

Until the defense is fixed (and i’m not sure its just a lack of talent, i believe there is a deeper, tactical problem) the team will continue to finish in the 3-5 range

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love arse

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who doesn't?

Arse is fantastic.

Colby in TOR: .125/.176/.188 0HR 6K/1BB 7/31

by The Continental on Jul 31, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about putting up a Fanpost on The Short Fuse but we didn't do much there.

We had to make it to the Tower of London at a certain time. I wish I could have gone on a tour. Oh well, I’ll have to go back.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think DanUp made this point best.

We really don’t know anything about the behind the scenes stuff, though we pretend that we do. But in the end, it’s the managers job to get production from talent and he failed at that.

Also, it’s not the trade that’s upsetting for me; I just expected that we could get significantly more. Either I was wrong or Mo did poorly. Probably the former, but Mo doesn’t have the track record (yet) to get my blind trust.

That said, with the Furcal deal, I’m feeling decent about the trading period.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 31, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it is

Tony already had a track record of being staunch and inflexible with personnel.

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I'm not taking away accountability from the player,

but in a professional sense, it’s management’s job to get their talent to succeed. TLR was unable to do so. I’m not saying it’s his fault. I’m simply saying he was unable to get Colby to succeed with this team.

If I try to get my Kia Rio wagon to go 200 mph, I will fail at doing so. This does not imply that it was my fault.

(and besides, it’s not like TLR hasn’t had problems with this aspect of his job in the past)

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 31, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus

he allowed the media circus to go out of control. he could have handled that a lot better

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have issues with this more than anything else

ratting T. Rasmus out to the media was a bit whiny, but he really didn’t need to throw Colby under the bus.

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 31, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a lot more to say about all this...

but its kinda the beating the dead horse thing…..we should probably all just move on and at least acknowledge both sides are at fault to a certain degree.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 players to be named later/cash

plus if R-Zep can be a starter next year, Trade Win

my last avatar was traded.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 31, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two points.....

1. TLR did get production from Colby. Last year? Hasn’t he been at least “average” this year?

2. Why is it so much different in sports then corporate America? In corporate America, there are tons of CEO’s and CFO’s that higher “their” people. They want to be surrounded by people that fit their ideals, that they get along with, and that can do the job. Why are athletics different? There is no doubting that TLR has a relatively unique way of doing things. But he’s been successful with that style for a number of years, in a number of different circumstances. He believes in that style. Why should he have to change that (which cannot be done in one season, ie, turning over a roster to reflect a change in style) b/c of one or two players? Isn’t it easier to just move those players when/if they become a distraction?

by Stanley1 on Jul 31, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh

because there are a handful of people in the whole world that can do the job that colby does. that’s not really the case with corporate america, is it?

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

in corporate america your rivals usually don’t have the available replacements locked up in contracts that you can’t break because of an industry-wide CBA.

What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?

by Robth on Jul 31, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

1. While we’ll never know the truth, there are many indications that TLR wanted Colby gone and Colby was miserable. Those two things seem to have precipitated his departure. That’s what I meant by not getting production from him. Not the actual on-field production. I was not clear.

2.
A) TLR is not the CEO or CFO. Mo is. And DeWitt, sort of.
B) There is a VERY finite set of people that can offer what Colby could, so it’s a really different deal.
C) TLR has been successful, but even he has admitted that this has to do with the myriad of wonderful situations he has been in as manager.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 31, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've done that plenty of time in the past

but haven’t lately since, you know, no need to poke a wasp’s nest with a stick.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 31, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably a good rational way to look at it

Damn, took me 5 days to get rational

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Even I am starting to come around.

I will cringe every time I hear that the Cheese has done something great, but it wasn’t going to happen here. No use in pointing fingers. What is, is! Let’s go forward. At least until we run into the buzzsaw that is the Phillies. And perhaps the blade will break on the buzzsaw before we even get there.

Who is TLR's next victim?

by spfldbird on Jul 31, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's cool

Literally the only memory I have of my paternal grandfather is listening to Cardinals games with him. The only specific thing I remember was him making a joke about the commercials for Frederick’s Roofing…

by DiscoJer on Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's really funny about that is that they still have the same commercial

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 31, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember being very tiny and thinking that commercial was dopey

that damn thing has to be 40 years old by now

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Entirely OT, but I figure this place isn't really hoppin' right now

I haven’t yet listened to the new Okkervil River album (I Am Very Far).
Any thoughts?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

best since black sheep boy

but i also think it’s the only one worth a damn since BSB, which is an unpopular opinion

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, of course

but most people like the 2 after that a lot, which i think suck outside of girl in port

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone else super excited to see what Oscar Taveras

Can do at Springfield in 1-2 years

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He ranks
  1. on my list now. Behind the obvious

by rumors on Jul 31, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Did I miss anything today?

Heath Bell is not a cardinal or anything crazy like that?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Jul 31, 2011 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

nothing Cardinals related

The Astros continued to trade all of their major league talent
Ludwick’s a Padre
No one acquired Heath Bell or Rich Harden
Rangers got Mike Adams

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ludwick's a Pirate right?

He WAS a Padre.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 31, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, not a Padre

a Pirate. too many letters in common!

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 31, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

bad news, man

we traded Pujols for Ronny Cedeno

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

some people quoted some meaningless stats

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

anybody care to lay odds on Holliday getting thrown at today?

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 31, 2011 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

1 in .2

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 31, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

potato

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by prophetjohn on Jul 31, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

how long til the Padres bust out the ol' "it's not you, its me"

by Buster_ESPN

#Padres Bell wants a 3-year deal, said he’d stick to ‘taking discount’ comment. Would take less than fair market value.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jul 31, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

You're getting too clingy, Heath.

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by Craig Wilson Can Juggle on Jul 31, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a picture of emperor palapatine in this thread

full of win

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

How the hell did the Cubs not trade more of their vets…i mean i know they won’t get a lot of value back….but that team needs to be blown up….like yesterday

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/29/11)
96 1/3 IP, 109 K, 42 BB/HBP, 36 ER, 5 HR, 2.92 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 31, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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