The MLB trade deadline, the Cardinals, the remaining veterans
by DanUpBaby on Jul 29, 2011 8:00 AM EDT
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Now that this team has declared itself all in in 2011 the weirdly specific veteran rumor mill has only escalated--the Cardinals remain the prime pretend-destination for Heath Bell in spite of their recent game of Three-Reliever Monty, and I expect they'll be a part of the nonspecified veteran rumor mill articles for the rest of the season; having showed themselves to be big spenders MLBTradeRumors is going to be sending them free drinks until they're tapped out.
Bell I don't understand at all. The Cardinals' bullpen has vastly less slack in it than it did on Monday, and the difference between Bell and Fernando Salas on down to Mitchell Boggs and Lance Lynn just doesn't seem enough to justify trading actual prospects, as opposed to the Mets' Francisco Rodriguez Going Out of Business Sale. Heath Bell is a fine closer, but it's worth mentioning that the Cardinals' closer, judging by Fernando Salas's usage patterns, is likely to pitch 25-30 innings in the last two months. Edwin Jackson will pitch twice that unless something goes even more terribly wrong.
(I'm not sure, incidentally, whether Joe Strauss's tweet about Heath Bell for Jason Motte was an actual rumor, actual speculation, or just the fevered invention of a successful 4chan troll [I can see him very clearly in a Guy Fawkes mask, posting copypasta about some gory photos on /b/, yelling upstairs at mom for some more soda in the basement fridge, already] , but obviously that would be crazier still--a little like trading Colby Rasmus straight-up for Carlos Beltran.)
If the Cardinals are looking to trade for another veteran before the deadline it's foolish to try to make a move on another reliever with the replacement level of the bullpen so much higher than it was. At this point the Cardinals only have one position left where the real replacement level is still in earshot, which is why the Rafael Furcal rumors are the only ones that make any sense to me.
Furcal reminds me of Edgar Renteria without the awkward associations--he's a thirtysomething shortstop with a few brilliant seasons separated by a lot of average-to-lost seasons. Right now he's in the middle of one of the lost seasons, playing for one of baseball's lost teams, in the last season of his contract. The Cardinals won't have to trade Jon Jay for him, is what I'm getting at, and the Dodgers are likely to focus on whatever salary relief they can get.
Swapping Edwin Jackson for Kyle McClellan is an easier decision to make, without considering the players going in the other direction, but in exchange for the risk of trading for Furcal in the middle of his nightmare 2011, instead of the two 2-3 win seasons immediately preceding it, the Cardinals wouldn't have to trade Colby Rasmus for him. If he continues having a disastrous season--well, the Cardinals are out a C prospect or two, and Ryan Theriot is having his own disastrous season, anyway. As a primary upgrade the Cards Talk fans might have been a little disappointed, but as a lottery ticket with a chance of shoring up the offense the Cardinals just depleted I'd be in favor of it.
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Post-Rasmus Report, Day One: Marc Rzepczynski looked just good enough to soothe the heartbreak that came with Corey Patterson's RBI single. He doesn't look like a LOOGY, inasmuch as his delivery doesn't resemble a formless slider cannon like or even Trever Miller. His stuff is clearly a step better and while his serious platoon problems (he's allowed a career OPS of .782 vs. righties, compared to .581 vs. lefties) make starting a bit of a fraught proposition it seems like something Dave Duncan might regard as a personal challenge.
As for Corey Patterson, fear potentially confirmed: When he gets the chance, Tony La Russa is going to enjoy using Patterson's "platoon advantage"--he's a .711 hitter vs. righties, .644 vs. lefties--to get him into the lineup as something more than a fifth outfielder and defensive replacement. Get well soon, Lance Berkman; get well soon, Allen Craig.
Octavio Dotel looks like Octavio Dotel has looked since the moment he stopped being the Dominant Set-Up Man of the Houston Astros nearly 100 years ago--like he's just barely hanging on, but just barely hanging on in a way that will lead to an average season some contender is going to overpay for. He's spent most of his career now just hanging on, being a completely passionless addition to midseason trades.
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The Furval rumors are the only ones that make sense to me too.
One would hope that he would not cost the team any additional players of value but this front office seems hell bent on making bad trades, so I’m not holding out hope.
I could handle moving Matt Adams and a C level starting pitcher for Furcal, but not much more than that.
I fear, however, that somehow the Bell and Bartlett trade is still on the table. And that we’ll overpay for them.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
that is more than I would give up
Matt Adams is an insurance policy against Pujols
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, i'd rather keep him around then using him as a non-prospect type.
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He could be a Top 100 prospect by the end of the year
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 29, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Goldstein and Law already have hinted strongly that he will be.
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prospects for furcal would be like pham, dj, freeman, etc
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
so nothing we can't live without
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Pham is the only CF, besides chambers that has any real value to the major league club
I’d hate to lose him, but he can’t stay healthy.
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probably should throw in CF tyler greene and not including people below AA>
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players that are made of tissue paper aren't terribly useful over the long haul.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
probably, still
he’d have a pretty good ceiling if he could stay health. (re-joey bombs 2.0)
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I have no doubt that he'd be good.
Just don’t think that he’ll stay on his feet long enough to find out. So might as well flip him for something useful. As far as CF go, I prefer them to be like SS. Defensively sound and if we get anything out of their offense, then it’s a bonus.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
His injuries have very much been of the freak variety
his wrist break this year came from banging his forearm on the OF wall trying to catch a HR. I’m not sure it’s true that he’s necessarily more injury prone than anyone else, just more unlucky (everyone wanted Colby to go smashing into walls trying to catch the ball, but Pham is “made of tissue paper” when he hurts himself doing so; hard for a CF to win, I guess!). He’s still surprisingly young and has been simply excellent at AA. I remain very high on him, as you can probably tell.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I'd be torn between giving up Adams or Pham
I think they’re of roughly similar value in my mind. Perhaps Adams shades it.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
We have lots of fringy prospects to throw at the Dodgers for Furcal
Let’s say the Cards know in their heart that they will not keep one of T. Greene or Kozma. Decide which one it is and make him available to the Dodgers along with their pick of other spare parts. D. Jones is tearing up AA again. They can have him too. Bryan Anderson will probably be exposed to Rule 5 in the offseason so add him on the list too. Cleto … I don’t have faith this guy will be able to throw strikes in the MLB. Put him on the list. There are reasonable pitching prospects in our organization not listed among the top 20 prospects (such as Boone Whitting). If you had to do it to make the deal, you could part with a player of that caliber to get Furcal without it being too painful because we have so much depth in the lower minors of right handed pitching.
I the the worst aspect of this trade
Is that it has led me to slightly resent Jon Jay. It’s not his fault, at all, but I look at him and see his future regression. That pisses me off and it’s not fair to him.
I felt the same way toward John Bonham’s son when the Zeppelin reunion rumor was going full force. Yea, it’s great they are going to tour, but he’s not John F. Bonham.
Jon Jay, he is not Colby Rasmus.
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90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 29, 2011 8:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Don't worry.
We can just trade Carlos Martinez for a proven center fielder next trade deadline.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
In the minority here
I would not be opposed to trading Martinez for young, stud, cost controlled SS or CF. I fully expect his arm to fall off at some point. He is tiny
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90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 29, 2011 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if we traded for a young, stud, cost-controlled CF I would probably cry.
That would just mean we lost Carlos Martinez for a Colby Rasmus.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Cant do that...
…we are not allowed ot have any good young punks on the team. Tony will not allow it and we will just have to trade them away for pennys on the dollar.
thank god he started the untucking thing
he will never be a cardinal
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I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.
this
even before colby was traded i was never able to properly appreciate jon jay for what he is
by prophetjohn on Jul 29, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
As the long time Jon Jay honk
I do look forward to him winning the batting title in 2013, albeit with a really hollow average.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
His .130 ISO and BB% of 8 or so will be perfectly cromulent
It’s like he’s the reincarnation of Willie McGee or something.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I hope he learn to take walks like the walkapotamoose
and then I will love jay.
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The concerning part is how similar a profile Jay has to Schumaker and Theriot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah
Also, I often forget that McGee was a pretty “eh” player except for two or three really good seasons.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
With nice Colby Rasmus 2010 levels of BABIP!
(Which Jay already has…)
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
I just looked up Willie McGee.
McGee’s career OPS+ is 100. Now, a league-average offensive player playing good defense in CF is a nice thing to have, don’t get me wrong, but I feel like I just killed a portion of my childhood.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He was definitely a "dependent on average" player
Case in point: his best year, he his .353, but managed to have an OPS below .900. Because he barely walked, and a good-but-not-awesome ISO of .150. Jon Jay may actually turn out to be a slightly better version of McGee. I’m not saying Jay is going to put up a 7 WAR season, but he seems to me like he could hit for a little more power and walk a little more than McGee did. I know we’re talking about old pseudo-numbers here, but McGee’s defense ratings on Fangraphs are kind of all over the place. So no idea what to think of that.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
McGee likely stole more bases during his fantastic '85 season
Than John Jay will steal his entire career.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
this
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the main part that sticks out.
Jay is pretty fast though, isn’t he?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
the gearing is wrong then
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, hopefully Heath Bell works out when he goes over to the Cardinals. They are going to have to pay a goodly sum for him, but it will show that they just want quality players on their next playing team.
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(Back when those things mattered!)
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DAMN YOU SABERMETRICS
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Obviously fangraphs does not have BSR for those years
I wish they did. Through the lense of my rosy-colored glasses, I’d say that McGee would have faired quite well in that stat.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a very good point.
BSR doesn’t take steals into account, though, does it?
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No, that's in wOBA
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No, I don't think it does.
By the way, if you sort BSR over the last three years and look at the leaders, you just might see a certain a player the Cards just traded away hovering near the top.
Colby’s excellent baserunning was a very much under-appreciated facet of his game.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a very good point on Colby's baserunning.
He was the best on the team, even just to the eye.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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Idiot couldn't even prevent himself from getting hit with the ball
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"I'm tired of running the dang ole bases. Gonna get some Hi-C and go lie around in the outfield."
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
and some orange slices
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not there yet
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
he was in the top 50 for BSR in the 2000s
IIRC
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In 1 year?
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I should have restated 2000-2010
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Mm hmm
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If Jon Jay is ever a 7+ WAR player that wins the MVP
and leads the Cards to the WS, I’ll eat my computer.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I addressed this in other posts!
Heh. But seriously, they are similar players. I don’t mean any of this as an insult to either guy either.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Macs have less viruses
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
but the fork is so shiny!
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay
I don’t so much resent him as it is my perspective on his play has completely shifted. Jay was an ABOVE AVERAGE 4th outfielder and was a real asset in that role. I appreciated his ability there. As the starting centerfielder, he is now out on an island and my expectations for production out of that spot are MUCH, MUCH, higher. So Jay’s still the same player, but his production is less valuable in the new position.
God, when will this nightmare end and I get to wake-up to a Cardinal team that didn’t just trade away the future for a six-pack of beer and some word-based board game. D.GOOCH
by Donald Gooch on Jul 29, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This, regarding Jay
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This team is becoming such a big disappointment
Just like last season, we fail to take advantage of opportunities against poor teams. We had a chance to pad our record against the worst team in the NL, and instead we split the 4 game series, losing starts by Carp and Garcia. It is so unbelievably frustrating to watch this team fail against poor teams and pitchers like Bud F’n Norris.
meh, we lost against the Astros two best starting pitchers
in a SSS like that, the astros probably win those two games 25% of the time or at least one 50% of the time,
no need to overreact about it.
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with our best two pitchers... who are better pitchers than the Stro's best pitchers.
This team doesn’t take advantage of their opportunities, and it will cost us the division I fear.
Like I said, SSS
It’s not like our best two are guaranteed to be better every outing than those two.
Bud Norris and Wandy Rodriguez can be down right dominating at times.
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problem is, Bud Norris only seems to be "down right dominating"
against this team. I place more blame on this team and give less credit to Norris for this result.
meh, that's a silly notion
I give Norris more credit than you, but you seem to want to place more blame on the offense than it deserves.
He has a 3.41 xFIP for the year, he’s not some AAA starter who’s spot starting.
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part of my tirade this morning is probably due to negative actions of the past 72 hours,
so I may be over reacting. Norris has come a long way this year, but we’ve had problems with him since he came up. He was shutting us down when the rest of the league was bashing him.
I agree he has a good record against us, I'm just trying to give credit where it's due.
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mull this over
Even the worst teams are going to win something like 2 out every 5 games and I was
a little concerned that the Cubs had just swept 3 from the Astros when they come in
to town.
Now the Cubs are coming in for 3 after losing 4 in a row to Brewers. That does not bode well
for the Cards who better get their act together. I always hate to play teams that some body has
just beaten up on. It never turns out good.
nothing really to mull over, I get what you're saying
even bad teams can win 5 games in a row after losing 10 straight.
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Well that's if you buy into that theory
I personally don’t think teams are due a win based off previous performances, but I can understand see your concern if you do.
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It is just
a pattern I’ve noticed over the last couple of years when we’ve
lost heavily to sub-par teams.We’ve caught a lot of losing teams after they have encountered losing 3 or 4 in a row and I would rather they had won at least their last one. Ihave little concern about it though.
I probably take Cardinal losses with more ease than anybody around. I just shrug them off. That comes with age.
unless you're playing the Mariners
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
heretical, but
for los birdos
it is less about who they play than how they play
they give away most of their loses needlessly due bad decision making
last year is a classic example of losing vs. getting beat
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Norris is really good.
Everyone here makes out like he’s some scrub, but he’d have been our #3 pitcher, easily, before Jackson came. He’s probably a decent #2 on some teams.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Garcia didn't do his part last night...
generally when your starter gives up five runs you lose. Especially when the other starter is a legitimate #2/3 pitcher.
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
why is it alright for Garcia and Carp to have to pitch with lower run support though?
Why should they have to pitch nearly complete game shutouts to earn a win? I don’t think it’s fair that the offense doesn’t have to win a game occasionally for these two… especially Carp… when they don’t have their best stuff.
I get pissed about that too
It seems Carp throws with the worst offensive lineups. Tony gives off days to players when Carp is on the mound. I get it, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
one of tlr's problems is he tends to sit multiple guys at one time
beat’s the crap out of me why
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I agree with that
I hate those “get away day” lineups when we have Descalso, Theriot, Greene and Berkman on the IF and Larid catching, or something.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
No question...
that the offense didn’t do it’s part last night, either. Just saying losing Garcia’s start had as much to do with his performance as the offenses.
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by cardzfanbub on Jul 29, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Tell that to the Pirates
Who have run over the teams with below .500 records to the tune of a .556 winning percentage.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
we seem to lack focus or drive against sub .500 teams
and only seem to show up against the good teams… that’s great and all, but you have to be able to beat the poor teams in the regular season, in order to play the good teams in the playoffs.
What is our record against sub-.500 teams?
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B-ref says we have a .597 W% against teams lower than .500 FWIW
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and only a .419 W% against teams .500 or better.
that’s pathetic.
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That's what I'd kinda expect, TBH.
Seems whenever we play one of the real class teams (Atlanta, Philly, Milwaukee) we look quite overmatched. I’m hopeful that E-Jax can help balance that a little bit.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
wow, i appologize for not looking at the stats before commenting
it feels like the opposite right now. maybe it feels that way because the Pirates are above .500 and the Reds are below .500
Are those winning percentages available on the team schedule/results page on B-R?
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I went to splits to find it
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Don't worry danup
We’ll send Motte and the only thing of value that we got for Rasmus (Scrabble), to the Padres for Bell. Can’t wait!
*vomits
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If we send Motte for Bell
I’m going on a full-on revolt. You probably won’t see me again until the end of the season. Right now, I’m barely watching it as it is. I have little pillows to throw at the tv whenever LaRussa is on
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure why there's any reason for that
Our bullpen is probably the strongest part of the team at this point thanks to the Colby trade. If anything, Mo will be looking at our middle infield.
I don't trust Mo that far anymore.
yes, it’s probably irrational and I don’t care. But I’m in my foxhole right now and stabbing at anything that moves the wrong way. Plus the same dumbass fans that were screaming for Colby’s head will be the same ones that think that we actually need Bell.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I will really lose any faith I've ever had in Mo if we trade for Bell
there is absolutely no need for him. He’s the most marginal of marginal upgrades, probably less than 0.5 wins over what we’re running out right now. Who the hell does he even replace? Boggs? Lynn? Both those guys have been nails this year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
managers make the mistake of letting dotel face LH batters, which with the closer title
it’s going to happen with TLR.
Just for this year alone, Dotel has a 2.14 FIP and a very very ugly 9.08 FIP vs. LH batters.
for his career he has a 2.90 FIP vs. RH batters and a 4.88 FIP against LH batters
it is a terrible mistake to let him face LH batters, he has actual value if he’s used as a ROOGY.
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Just last night...
our new LOOGY faced 2 lefties and 5 righties (including Pence and Lee),while Dotel got 2 (Bourn and Wallace) and 2.
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
During last night's game,
Leach published what is a must-read Thursday tidbits post. It includes this tidbit:
The manager said that he won’t be afraid to use Octavio Dotel against a left-handed hitter, despite some ugly splits for the veteran righty.
"I think when he’s close, he’s close against everybody," the skipper said.
Over the past three seasons, left-handers have a 277/413/584 line against Dotel with 11 homers in 202 at-bats. He has 49 strikeouts against 45 walks vs LHH in that time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the closer label kills the ROOGY label.
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Although I've disliked him for awhile, I'm really beginning to despise and hate LaRussa.
He makes such a big deal about how stats back his moves (not batting Rasmus and other lefties vs LHP for example) and how he uses stats to put a player in the best position to succeed, and then he says and does this!
This tells me that
- La Russa has completely lost it.
- La Russa’s focus on matchups and statistics has been bullshit all along.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jul 29, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
La russa has always been this way
He uses stats when they back up his argument and uses vague bullshit like “plays a hard nine” when the stats clearly show the player sucks.
by lopey986 on Jul 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree with this
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
"Aaron Miles is the greatest player ever."
Reporter: But Tony, he went 0-5 with 5 strikeouts, made 8 errors, and threw the ball into the stands with one out, thinking it was three.
TLR: But he plays a hard nine {wink}
Reporter: what does that even mean?
TLR: {wink|
Reporter: why are you winking at me?
TLR: Because TLR
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I've always thought of him as Tony "Let's Get Lucky" LaRussa
It’s like he’s at the craps table, he places ridiculous bets on the least likely areas to hit on the table, rolls the dice, and says “No sevens, no sevens, no sevens!!!!!…..shit, oh well. Better start working on my narrative to reassure myself I made the right decision.”
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
by lightbulb on Jul 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
"I think when he’s close, he’s close against everybody"
WTF does that even mean?
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 29, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
La Russa
is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma spoken by a sphinx.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Typo in the article, gotta be
I bet that " ’s " was misplaced. Should read: “I think when he closes, he closes against everybody.”
We’re doomed.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Wat
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 29, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow that's really fucking stupid from Tony
he really makes a mess of matchups more often than not.
A genuinely, genuinely bad manager now. Both in terms of dealing with his players, and with in-game situations. Dotel should never face a fucking lefty. Neither should Skip Schumaker. Leaving Dotel in vs a LHB in a close game should be an instant firing offense; I’m serious. Anyone who does that is utterly clueless about baseball.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
the Cardinals remain the prime pretend-destination for Heath Bell
Last night on MLBN, Rosenthal said Texas was the favorite to land Bell.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Bell
has “professed” his desire to go to the Cardinals. This is a ploy by Whales Vagina to drive up the price.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
that crafty closer
he better have tons of Star Wars backpacks
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Heath Bell
2010 K%: 11.06
2011 K%: 6.59
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Don't you mean K/9?
/I’m a tool
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Yeah, I do.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that's a pretty disgusting decline in Ks
his xFIP is 3.88
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Compare that to the xFIP's for the Cardinals' right-handed relievers.
I don’t think Bell is an upgrade in anything but name.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's basically what we were expecting from Franklin at the beginning of the season.
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And it's essentially the production of Kyle McClellan, Reliever.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
right, the draft picks are the only thing of value I would expect back.
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you're going to have to pay for them though in prospects, so what's the point?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, there is none
he’s just extra depth as a rp really.
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He could also sprint pretty well
w/o the Todd Coffey man-boobs.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
He would be projected to be better going forward I think
and the sample-size issues with relievers probably mean that even such a huge drop in K% is probably not a reflection of true talent K-rate; in reality he’s probably only a bit worse at striking guys out this year than previously. IIRC he’s also sporting a good walkrate and GB% this year.
All that said, trading for Bell would be utterly awful. I suppose I could see it if he’s definitely a type-A and we don’t give up much beyond a B-level prospect or two. But it would be so much better to just trade for Clint Barmes, Raffy Furcal or Jamey Carroll.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
This is nearly exactly what happened to Rick White back in the earlier part of the decade, yet we went out and acquired him anyway.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
White was also in his mid-30's at the time, wasn't he?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think this is right
I think Texas is the favorite to land Bell. The Cardinals are still involved somehow, but media reports seem to favor the Rangers. Thank god. Well, I guess I shouldn’t get happy too early.
I wonder who closes
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Texas
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I wouldn't be surprised by either of them closing
Ron Washington has been upset with Feliz for his “lack of fire,” so that could be some sort of precursor to Bell taking the closer gig. Feliz also has terrible peripherals this year – 27/20 K/BB rate through 38 2/3 innings
Bell
Feliz has sucked this year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yada yada yada--get a freakin ss
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Rosenthal also said we appeared to be out of it
since Colby would have been the centerpiece in that trade. I wonder what else we might have gotten from SD?
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
my thoughts too
we do not need Heath Bell. I can only hope that Mo knows this despite what Tony may be telling him.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What
do you think the Reds are going to do now? Are they still buyers?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
I don't think they are buyers for rentals
But they’d still make a longer term move (like Jimenez, e.g.)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It
takes them out of the race for a few guys I’ll agree. I was thinking we could have pried Renteria away until I looked at his numbers. That guy really fell off a cliff huh?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
Dunno about a rental...
but clearing out their redundancies (votto/alonso, meso/grandal, 6 #4 starters) in exchange for an elite player should be priority #1. It should have happened last offseason.
DFA Patterson!!!
Leach's Post from Yesterday
Apparently Goold asked La Russa a question about the Rasmus trade being inevitable. Leach passes along the manager’s response.
The manager took issue with a couple of ways the Rasmus trade has been presented. I’ll let him speak for himself.
On whether the deal was "inevitable:"
"I totally disagree with that one. … It wasn’t inevitable. We have a chance to win now, and he was the one bullet. If we had different bullets, or they thought it was smart to reach into the system… No. We would have kept him. But that’s how we got the chance to improve. And in the end, the way we get judged is how many games we win. not the sense it makes, which is not really the test. And that’s the reality, so it’s fine."
And on whether he and his staff push unusually hard for win-now trades and transactions:
"The thing is that supposedly I’m unusual because it’s win at all costs at the Major League level, at the exclusion of other considerations for an organization. Win now, win now. Well, first of all, that’s true of all managers. That’s what they pay you to do with whatever you’ve got. If you’re a .500 club, win half your games. Sometimes the organization decides they’re going to develop. You’ve lost the season and they’re going to develop. You go to develop, and you still try to win the games. So that’s not unusual. That’s what they pay you for, to get wins.
"But the other one that I think is a fair comment, if you ask… our staff and I take a lot of pride in taking the long view for the organization. I don’t think we have ever, ever recommended a move for now that we knew was a detriment to the organization beyond a couple years. … The classic explanation is you’re not going to be here in a couple years, so what do we care if you trade every young prospect? We’ve gotten a lot of points as a staff from Walt [Jocketty] and Mo… I read where Mo said it, that [people] don’t understand how much attention not just myself but our staff gives to what’s good for the organization now and down the road. For years, ‘You can’t trade that guy,’ we understand that. ‘You can’t bring that guy over here, he’s not worth the money.’ How many times have we had a pitcher or somebody establish value and you say, ‘See you later’ because he isn’t worth the money. Puts you in a hole. So that one I think is unfair based on the history of what our staff has done here over the years. I think we’re real conscious about the health of this organization beyond the year we’re playing."
The whole post by Leach is worth reading. It deals with Punto, Scrabble, and more.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Just goes to show
that sociopaths can rationalize just about anything.
I’m really beginning to believe that La Russa exhibits sociopath behavior at times.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
if he just says it doesn't hurt us, he's lying
but if he really thinks it, i’m worried
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
In TLR's mind
the team is better without Rasmus. So, in his mind the team is better off long term.
and boog, rolen, mather, clobby, .....
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Mather was one of Tony's guys
who left because after the wrist surgery, he kinda sucked.
Grit != flat out sucking.
speaking of sociopaths
take this test.
A woman, while at the funeral of her own mother, met a guy whom she did not know. She thought this guy was amazing. She believed him to be her dream guy so much that she fell in love with him right there, but never asked for his number and could not find him. A few days later she killed her sister.
Question: What is her motive for killing her sister?
answer
Answer:
She was hoping the guy would appear at the funeral again. If you answered this correctly, you think like a psychopath. This was a test by a famous American Psychologist used to determine if one has the same mentality as a killer. Many arrested serial killers took part in the test and answered the question correctly. If you didn’t answer the question correctly, good for you. If you got the answer correct, some get your ass off of here.
You're making me all nervous
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No, but now I'm worried I will at some point
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the first time i was given that test
i got it “right” I actually think it was a test created by freud if my memory is correct. It seems straight forward if u think in the context of the test.
Then again maybe i am just wired wrong, i am left handed. hehe
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
It could just mean you are a double agent.
Gotta think like them to defeat them…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
my first reaction was "wtf?"
and then i read the answer and now i feel like a dumbass cause it’s really obvious
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
And after reading the dissection of sociopaths given there....
I’m reasonably sure that Tony La Russa is one.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i don't think narcolepsy is sociopathic behavior
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't see how my twitter account is related to sociopathic behavior...
ohhhhh.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm on hiatus
VEB takes my bored at work time during the baseball season. trolling twitter is my winter activity.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Who are you on Twitter?
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i don't like to advertise
but it’s on my SBN profile
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Disco Stu don't advertise
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by mysterui on Jul 29, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
quit sending out your terrible band list every friday morning, then.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
it wasn't me it was the last.fm bot!
fine. no more band list. i hope you’re happy.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
this, I've heard this so many time
I’ve even read rage comics on it.
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she wants to meet the guy again.
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Trying to force the GM to trade for a new sister
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Jul 29, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
She made some disparaging remarks about her sister in the Post-Dispatch obituary.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Jul 29, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bravo....Bravo....(hands clapping)
Trying to force the GM to trade for a new sister
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as someone who works with sociopaths I as assuure you TLR is not one
So I am in the business of criminals, murders, rapists, and child molestors. I have sat in therapy groups with psycho/sociopaths, TLR is many things but not a sociopath. So let’s not go over board here. We might be able to say he has some narcissitic characteristics, but wouldn’t even qualify the diagnosis.
The thing about the psycho/sociopath is that they are like swimming with a great white shark without a cage. There doesn’t seem to be any thought, they just bite and eat because they that is what they are wired to. They tend to live by an unwritten code.
The story my ex-boss use to tell illustrates them well. His client ran over his neighbors dog killing it. So he gave them his dog, because it was the"right" thing to do. “i destroy something of yours I will give you mine.” Then when that same neighbor got into anagrument with this client. He threaten to kill the client. The client went home, grabbed and knife and stabbed the neighbor’s wife. Because “if you make a threat someone has to follow through on it.”
My murdering psychopaths has discussions on the best way to carry a dead body (by the ankles, not wrists) and how hard it is to pull out a knife after you stab someone.
Again, TLR not a psycho/sociopath, just frustrating to some fans.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
God I love this site
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Don't ya, all sorts of us weirdos with weird jobs on here....
Now you probably don’t want to duke it out with before eating Okie Joe’s since I know the correct way to drag off a body. lol
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, let's just eat delicious BBQ
Have you made it out for a Sporting KC game yet, by any chance?
/shameless
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nope.
I have an offer to go from my wife’s second cousin’s husband, he is part owner.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You should, it's a great atmosphere
Do you mind if I ask which owner?
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my wife doesn't like when i name drop.
I don’t think he is a major part although he (they) have a sweet house in Mission Hills. He is the only non-Cerner owner I think. He runs a captial investment group, and I think that is how he got involved.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I think I might know who you're talking about
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wait a sec
what happened to the kansas city wizards? (the were a mls franchise right?)
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Same team
Just rebranded. New ownership group, new colors, new team name, new stadium
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Dallas used to be known as the Dallas Burn, as well
The ol’ Wiz ’n Burn
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I still think KC Wizards is a better name
“Sporting KC” hasn’t stopped sounding ridiculous to me yet.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
yeah not sure I love it,
But i guess it works with the new stadium and such.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It grows on you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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sounds a little like trying too hard to be British
if you’re going to bring this dubious foreign game to our shores, at least have the decency to name your team something properly ’Murrican!
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
I do kind of resent the idea that they're trying to "fit in" with the rest of the world by ditching American-style sports names
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
I just think that calling every team "FC [city where the team resides]"
is super boring.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
If it makes you feel any better
These types of teams do tend to develop a nickname over time, and they’re much more organic than a team-forced one
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the st. louis thrasher spark storm raptors has a better ring to it
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't see a problem with raptors, actually
But I also dislike the “vague singular concept/noun” name style too. I like team names that are plural. If teams can’t come up with good ones they’re just being lazy! Harrumph!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Soccer players are lazy
I mean, they just kinda stand around and kick the ball when it comes near that once or twice a game.
And they never know how much time is left.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
I could become a resident expert on here
Not only do we have medical folks who talk on here about injuries, I can be the expert on who is or is not a psychopath.
Ihave strong family therapy background and could cover that topic as well…..been biting my tongue on Tony Ras’ relationship with Colby.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I REALLY WANT TO HAVE LUNCH WITH YOU AND PICK YOUR BRAIN
that’s so exciting!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
You can pick friends, you can pick your brain, but you can't pick your friend's brain...
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
unless you're a psychopath
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
then you'll need the $75 proprietary fork to pick it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
A sociopathic, cannibalistic, Macophile
Otherwise known as the Anti-Christ.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
or a zombie
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This I'm interested in
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I wouldn't even know where to start....maybe a boundary issue.
Colby might also be the golden child, the one the family has placed all their hopes one..
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus Sr strikes me as a really egregious stage parent
apologies if I’m stating the obvious.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Kind of like Lindsey Lohan's parents
For Colby’s career I move the move across the boarder helps create some separation. This is why I feared we might have never seen his real talent here where daddy was close, not just his issues with TLR.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
your first fanpost can be a review of Bill James'
Popular Crime.
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm no one told me there would be reading required to participate on VEB
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, i've been thinking about going into that field
and would very much like to know the path you took to getting there in terms of education and job
can you give me a short recap about how you got to where you are?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
honestly I tripped and fell into it.
Masters in Counseling, planned on working with families, needed a job, got an offer at a Maxium security prison, working with sex offenders (hence the murders, rapists, and such). Thought I would do to a fewmonths while I looked for another job and never left. Who knew I would like it. Very challenging, and very taxing on one’s self.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how you could work with people like that
all day and not be seriously affected by it
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well my ex-boss' liver is slowly dying as a result of how much he drinks because of the job
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not surprised.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
MOSOP?
Colby in TOR: .000/.000/.000 0HR 7/27
by The Continental on Jul 29, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the program in Missouri for such things
My wife used to do what it sounds like you do now.
Colby in TOR: .000/.000/.000 0HR 7/27
by The Continental on Jul 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, in Farmington?
I work in Kansas.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Pacific, MO
It’s valuable work, but I can’t say that I’m sorry that she isn’t doing it any more. We still keep an unlisted number due to her work there and she’s been gone for almost 15 years now.
Colby in TOR: .000/.000/.000 0HR 7/27
by The Continental on Jul 29, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah when in public my wife won't let me
tell people what I do for a living, just that I am a marriage and family therapist.
I’m only part time now. Stay at home day almost full time.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
aha, thanks. i'm actually thinking about going the more traditional route
and get a master’s in psychology
will have to catch up on some prerequisite classes but i’ve wanted to do this since i was in high school and went and studied math instead. go figure
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
My wife did psychology + criminal justice.
Colby in TOR: .000/.000/.000 0HR 7/27
by The Continental on Jul 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
what does she do now?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Left to become a parole officer,
then got knocked up. She’s been a domestic goddess ever since.
Colby in TOR: .000/.000/.000 0HR 7/27
by The Continental on Jul 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
she's reading over your shoulder, isn't she?
(and well done!)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Nah, I'm happy to have her at home.
She deserves a grandiose title for keeping everything together there.
Colby in TOR: .000/.000/.000 0HR 7/27
by The Continental on Jul 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
good for her...
I think the parole officer’s life looks hard, taxing, and tiring based on the PO I work with.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
boo math.
most of my co-workers went the traditional routes as well, they like my prespective when it comes to the family environment and relationships.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree on the boo math
and i figured turning 30 is high time i did something to make me happy, hence i’ll go with my first love – behavioral psychology
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
I didn't even start grad school till I was like 33.
Worked as a youth pastor, then cement truck driver, subsitute teacher, then grad school
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i already went through grad school once, it was fun
all i have to decide is if i want to go to grad school where i work or look for a job at Wash U and go there
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
huh?
going from EE to family counseling? What kind of engineer are you?
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
so
I am in the business of criminals, murders, rapists, and child molestors.
you’re catholic?
o/
(seriously, thanks for sharing. i love the diversity of experience from the members of this site.)
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"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
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Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
well done.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
laughing...
agreed… this site is so fun…
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When nobody is seriously hurt.
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by mattybobo on Jul 29, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I find this hysterical.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I learned that joke from the father of one of my best friends
He was head of the Theology department at SLU for a while. Very funny man.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
rec'd
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
the psycho first ran over the neighbor's dog, then stabbed the neighbor's wife
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
I thought the psycho's wife got stabbed by the client?
Are there two psychos? 1) Neighbor dog killing psycho and 2) Client psycho who stabbed dog killing pyscho’s wife?
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
client is the psycho
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah! Client and neighbor are the same person!
Now that that is settled, I’m going to go beat up arthropodtodd’s boss, I guess.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Ex-boss, please don't beat up my current boss, I like him
I can tell you what bar in Leavenworth KS my ex-boss is mostly likey at though,
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the client ran over the dog and stabbed (I think killed the wife)
Not sure if this was the same pyschopath you beat the crap out of my boss one day or not.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it was you. we all know the truth now! Alxfritz is the psychopath, not TLR
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
have you seen the drawings?
the warning signs were right in front of us!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
always knew I liked him for some reason
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a reason why, randomly, in the middle of his career, he decided to make shit movies?
And then, was bored, so he went and did Boardwalk Empire.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a free spirit that won't be tied down?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I pictured you more like
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Why has no one used the infamous...
“Would you fuck me?…..I’d fuck me….I’d fuck me hard”
"He's the biggest thing to hit Japan since they dropped that bomb on Nagashima!" - Mike Shannon
by JasonMottesGlove on Jul 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there are 2 lines of text there (including the sig)
and 12 instances of the letter T. 1+2=3
23.
ahhhhh
Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.
That sounds like a good slogan for a political ad
“TLR… not a sociopath, just frustrating to some fans”
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone besides the washed masses
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Which part?
I’ll agree with him that it is his job to win baseball games. That’s about it.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
Wow
This is complete and utter bullshit. Fuck you LaRussa.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This man truly lives in a lollipop land that is in no way an accurate reflection of reality.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 29, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Roster/Payroll Matrix
after the Rasmus deal.
Rafael Furcal’s remaining salary for the rest of the season is 4.8M, according to MLBTR. I believe there is also some signing bonus deferred to Jan 2012. Do we have the financial flexibility to take it?
Cardinals fan from Korea
by FreeRedbird on Jul 29, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 13 recs
Kyle Lohse
makes too much money.
that is all.
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by OKCardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so does therriot
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by IHeartBoog on Jul 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mo said we flexibility
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Then he went and made a deal where we basically didn't take on
any money by trading long term value.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Something's wrong with the info on Lance Lynn
He most definitely is not a Free Agent next year.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
and is John Jay's line right?
how could he not reach Arby1 for till 2014?
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We should just hold the payroll at $43 million and become everyone's favorite underdog.
DFA Patterson!!!
make beer at busch half price and no one will care if we win or not
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
That's what the Cubs are doing.
Not sure if it’s working. But then, I don’t know if Cubs fans have ever cared about winning.
Colby in TOR: .000/.000/.000 0HR 7/27
by The Continental on Jul 29, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying not to be pessimistic but
This isn’t much return for $117M
Two solid players (LF, C)
Most productive player & replacement (Berk, Craig) currently out
Other key productive player (AP): down year
3B can’t stay healthy
Question marks at CF, 2B
Gaping hole at SS
One solid SP (Garcia), one hardluck SP (Carp); question marks after that
Bullpen has been gaping hole but is improved
You think that's bad
Look at what the Cubs are getting for $134M!!!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I don't think that Pujols or Holliday is Alfonso Soriano
And I highly doubt our front office gives any of our pitchers the Zambrano deal. So, no, I don’t see us heading down this path.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'd contend that we have (optimistically)
A top 5 pitcher in Wainwright (he still counts on that $117M, right?
A top 3 LF in Holliday.
A top 3 1B in Pujols.
A top 3 C in Yadi.
A starting 3B in Freese.
An aging top 10 RF in Berkman.
A good bullpen, now.
A good young solid starting pitcher in Garcia and a good old solid starting pitcher in Carp.
Two average starting pitchers in Westbrook and Lohse.
One starting pitcher hitting his prime (in which he should be slightly above average) in Jackson.
Garcia will be better than Waino next year
Mark it down
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
no.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
3.17 xFIP this year
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But seriously
He probably will.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
we'll be lucky to get 2.5 war out of waino
i’m going for the lance berkman projection on this one. tommy john is no small thing. he won’t be pitching 200+ innings
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by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems to me
That for next year we
- Buy out Carp and Dotel (Offer Dotel arb on the condition that he does not accept, offer Carp a 2-3 year deal at $10-$12M AAV)
- Cut Skip and Theriot. (Replace with Descalso and Greene)
- Laird is not resigned. (Replace with Cruz)
- Patterson is not resigned (Replace with Brown or FA utility OF)
- Negotiate a 2-3 year extension with Berkman at $9M per season.
- Re-Sign Albert Pujols.
- Pick up Wainwright’s option.
With all of these moves, our payroll would be about $120M or so, assuming Carpenter, Pujols, and Berkman are brought back. I do wonder, however, if it would not be better to let Berkman walk and attempt to go after Carlos Beltran instead for a similar amount of money.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I don't know if you get either Beltran or Berkman at that price.
Berkman may if he truly falls in love with the city and organization.
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think another club is likely to give him $12MM AAV for at least 2 years.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Type A status, if he gets it, will make other clubs
a little more reluctant to sign him
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
I don't see too many teams giving him a multi-year deal at 8 figures
I think 2Y$20M with a third year option is about the best that he’s going to get on the open market. He’s 35 years old. He can’t do this forever.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
He can still hit...
amazingly well. If we could get him to first base and limit him to 130 games I think he could hold up.
DFA Patterson!!!
If we can keep Allen Craig,
he is a very nice insurance policy and can be used to spell Berkman.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
wouldn't it make more sense to call up a bat only option from AAA and play him at first?
Craig at second is pretty awesome, I’m just not sure who our RFer would be.
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If we signed Berkman to take Pujols' place...
we could bring back Carp for one year as a bridge to Miller and Martinez, and have enough salary space to do what the Jays do – pick up bad contracts like Teahen in return for high ceiling players. Not that we’re smart enough to ever pull that off…
DFA Patterson!!!
I'd rather trade Carp this offseason then keep him, he has more value to us that way IMO.
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He would have to agree to a trade
and would be making $15M.
How, exactly does he have more value this way?
For instance, we just traded for a similar pitcher, who’s in his prime making half of that, assuming 1/3 of half of that, getting three other players in return, by giving away only one player with any value, AND WE’VE SPENT TWO DAYS BITCHING ABOUT IT.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
well for one, I'd rather not have Carp than pay him $15M
anything is a good return when looked at like that.
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Then you buy him out
and let him walk.
Exercising his option just to trade him is foolish. He’s a 10/5 player, can reject any trade, and won’t draw much of anything in return, so you’re more likely to get stuck with him than be able to trade him anywhere.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
he has said previously that he'd waive his 10/5 options in a trade
Throw a non prospect and some cash in the deal, and we could get a decent return.
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I don't buy it.
You tell him he’s getting traded to the Mariners and I’m guessing he’s not waiving his 10/5 rights.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
2/20 for Berkman is totally reasonable for both sides, I think
maybe he’ll insist on 2/22 or something, but I’d have to think Berkman’s getting a two year deal no matter what, regardless of who signs him.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Agreed.
Berkman kind of reminds me of Tom Selleck from Mr. Baseball… at least that’s how I like to imagine him…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Last season,
I led this ball club in ninth inning doubles in the month of August!
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
*blank stares from the coaches...
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it all hinges...
on the health of his shoulder. If he play 2/3s of the remaining games and doesn’t have to have surgery in the offseason…yeah 2/20+. If not….?
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
maybe if Berk stays injured for a good part of the next couple months...
he’ll drive his price down. I think Berkman on a 2/25 is a fine substitute for Pujols. I hope they go that route.
DFA Patterson!!!
why wish that?
We wouldn’t need his price to fall if Albert leaves. Anyway, he has more value to the organization this season, healthy and playing with Albert and Holliday, than he does in the future, playing only with Holliday. Why wish him ill health this year just to save a few mil over the next few years?.
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not hoping he stays injured...
just saying he’s head for a 2/25 if he doesn’t get injured.
DFA Patterson!!!
what I'm saying though
if Pujols leaves, then who cares if you’re giving Berkman 2/25 contract? With Pujols gone, you’ve got the money to do it and the contract would fit the organization. I’d much rather look forward to a 2011 stretch run with a healthy Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman, then a 2012-2013 Pujols-less Berkman and Holliday. I understand you’re not wishing him ill health, but saving a few mil isn’t worth it as it provides less value to the organization.
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping he
continues to rake, we resign Pujols, offer Berk arby and get the draft compensation.
Craig and/or Brown can play RF, or maybe even Matt Carpenter can play out of position there. All three could be very capable MLB hitters.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
what's the HPGF consensus on Brown's future development?
is he expected to be a useful player in the majors?
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
7th OFer
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Castellano, pham, and jones are way more interesting.
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fine, just those two toolsy players
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he used to play second and third, so that should make him more useful.
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Pj is his own grandpa?
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Pj just remember,
scooty puff jr. suuuuucks
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meh, nevermind
he doesn’t walk much.
Brown should walk around 10%, but I’d like Carpenter to get a shot at RF before Brown.
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Brown has some power (Carp has little) and the arm to play RF
Brown has a .428wOBA* in Memphis, while MCarp has a .406wOBA*. Brown has very good walk rates as well.
Brown is only one year older than MCarp.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, just find a way to get carp in the lineup please
even if it means he plays SS, or CF.
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I think Brown got a little overlooked in the Matt Adams hysteria.
Anyway, what separates Brown and Allen Craig? They seem pretty similar to me.
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Brown walks a bit more, but I think Craig is more athletic so
his power will translate more IMO.
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Brown and Craig are very similar hitters.
Brown was slightly older at each level but that was primarily due to an injury Brown sustained (I think in SPR).
Craig has (apparently) the ability to play 2B, so that would the main difference. If Craig isplaying the outfield, he might be a slightly better outfielder (I guess) though I think that is mainly conjecture/anecdote.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We certainly seem to be able to turn out cromulent hitters with positional questions
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
When we still had Colby, I was in favor of
going with a Jay/Brown platoon in RF next year (assuming Berk didn’t sign, or Berk signed and played 1B and Pujols didn’t sign), with Craig at 2B.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think right now the report is
that he’s a solid hitter and a butcher in the field.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
He can play third!
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based off the limited amount we saw him earlier this year
it seems like his bat could play at a corner OF spot. I don’t recall him doing anything really frightening in the field.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
why would anyone fall in love with the org after what happened this week?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Jul 29, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
slight rebuttal...
Arb offer to Dotel completely depends on arb status. If he finishes a type A, no way we get a gentelmen’s agreement. I’m not sure this team can afford Carp, espcially if AP is resigned.
I’m good with the rest of this…Berkman is a MUST sign if we don’t get Pujols back.
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
by cardzfanbub on Jul 29, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather sign a SS, and put Matt Adams at first for 140 games than resign Berk personally.
SS= Reyes
maybe Rollins, or Furcal, but that changes our budget for RF.
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probably, but I'd rather have a good MIF than a 35 YO berkman.
at least Adams is likely to hit somewhat, I’m not expect more than what our SS have produced lately (nothing)
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I'd rather sign a defense first SS that can't hit at all
than roll the dice with Matt Adams and an outside shot at signing Jose Reyes, with a double dose of "praying Jose Reyes stays healthy.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'd rather...
stick Craig at 1B for 140 games than Adams… He’ll have to prove something outside of Springfield before I expect him to be a MLB regular.
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
sure, but I like Craig the second baseman so much more.
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It won't play out this way.
I don’t see any scenario where Berkman signs after Pujols.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Agreed.
We will be in on Pujols until the very end and the very end will be in early 2012.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i don't know
I think Pujols will sign fairly quickly, as a good portion of the market may depend on what Pujols does or where he goes. I think the teams that are serious about him will go after him hard, and it will be done before or shortly after the winter meetings.
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This is very unlikely to be true
Pujols will not “set the market”. He’ll wait for the market to be set and then evaluate.
This is pre-supposing that our front office doesn’t offer him $30M a year for 10 years on November 3rd, in which case he signs immediately.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think he, well his agent, is going to negotiate the best deal possible with other teams
and then turn around to the Cardinals and say, “if you can come close to this deal, then I’ll sign with you.”
sounds very plausible
and I would also not be surprised for Berkman to sign before Pujols. It would be a shame if we missed out on both, but it certainly could happen.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't need to spend that kind of money
on Carp with the rotation set for next year.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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I've been so busy that I haven't even seen the year-by-year breakdown of Garcia's contract.
Is this from Cot’s or was it reported somewhere?
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from Cot's
There are 2 option years after 2015, at 11.5M and 12M respectively.
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by FreeRedbird on Jul 29, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a very nice contract for the Cardinals.
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I don't see us exercising Carp's option
He isn’t worth $14M
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 29, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I would. That's, like, 3 WAR on the open market. We exercise the option, and then hopefully Shelby will be ready in 2013
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I believe those 15M are better off re-directed
to Albert or Berkman or a SS. You already have 5 SP for next year.
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this
Lynn
Waino
Jaime
Miller
Kmac
Westy
Lohse
are all options
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I don't think Shelby will be ready yet
Surely he won’t be called up before June
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sure, but he's an option at some point next year.
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agree
If Carp is back next year, it will most likely be on a re-structured 2 yr extension at $9-12/yr.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
my god those garcia salaries are gorgeous
rec’d for that
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90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
Isn't a part of his contract deferred?
which brings the AAV down when considering inflation.
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i dunno
ask rui/another econ type, he should know how to calculate what the cards are actually paying
i tried to play econ once thinking it was just math and came out pretty wrong
no, I think that's right
pretty sure they talked him into deferring $2M/yr
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
corey f patterson got a better deal than el punto
wow
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
How does Craig
ge baack on the roster without someone going to the DL. Greene replaced Punto. Who does Craig replace? Patterson? Then who backs-up centerfield?
by CardFaninTTown on Jul 29, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see that happening
Wouldn’t mind, but don’t see it.
by CardFaninTTown on Jul 29, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven't you heard?
we’re trading Patterson and Theriot to LA for Furcal!
/oh how I wish this were true
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If Miles can fifth in the Dodgers lineup...
there’s a place for the riot and Patterson.
DFA Patterson!!!
Well I don't think they'll bring Greene down after two days.
And it’s still stupid to have three catchers on the roster.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Just curious, but who was our last african american starting pitcher to make a start?
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Ken Hill?
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It's gotta be him
I can’t think of another one that we’ve even had on the roster.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Darren Oliver?
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I think that may be the right answer.
I had completely forgot that we once had Oliver.
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You guys call yourselves Cardinal fans...
and yet you’ve completely forgotten the Luther Hackman era…
DFA Patterson!!!
I think you win, unless ray king made a random start i didn't know about.
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He started 6 games in '02?
I have an excuse. I was out of the country.
I was also out of the country in ’07 and thought that Kelvin Jimenez made his big-league debut in ’08. I hear I was lucky to miss his real debut the year prior.
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I hadn't forgotten, I think I'd just completely blocked out the fact that Darren Oliver was ever a starter
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Brad Thompson.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 29, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm going to kick in his honor then.
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cleto does not count
neither does jose jimenez
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
ouch... way to help your cause T. Greene
especially when a MI may have to head back to the DL. He’ll never come close to fulfilling his potential IMO… a lost cause.
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
he had an awesome game last night
the errors are unfortunate, but i don’t think that he should be ruled out when Ryan Theriot is in the majors.
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Considering the options available
If we do not make a trade for a competent SS, we deserve to give him a legit shot playing every day the rest of the season just to see what we have. I refuse to believe that he is worse than Theriot or Descalso at the SS position.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh no,
I would make a trade for Furcal if we’re getting him as a salary dump and not giving up much talent.
He’s a good defensive player who can lead off.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Furcal or Caroll
would be awesome
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Furcal has -0.3 WAR, too
at least he has some upside, however.
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by FreeRedbird on Jul 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
remember?
When leaving Memphis for St. Louis, he always forgets to bring the bat with him. So really, he’s only Ryan Theriot with more speed.
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh
Maybe it just takes him more than 100-or-so PAs to remember where he put his bat.
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Although
Greene is hitting above .300 at Memphis his strikeout rate is high and running about the
same as he was in the majors.
if called up bet the average would plummet and the strikeouts remain.
Well, his average in the majors this year is below .200
So how much could it really plummet? I for one would like to see if he can maybe, just maybe, get it above .250 or so. With the surprisingly good walk rate he’s sporting this year, he’d probably be better than Theriot in that case.
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Greene's ISO is a sad .069, which is still better than Theriot's craptastic .057
His walk percentage is 10.3, Theriot’s is 5.5.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
one could be forgiven for thinking that Greene's could improve
theriot…..not so much
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sade concert was great
For being 50 something she looks good. Sang for over 2hrs and sounded great. The lighting and extra visuals were fun also. Glad I went there instead of watching the game.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jul 29, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
thanks for the report
(see, you people. see.)
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 29, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
you're a smooth operator
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
which of your numerous girlfriends did you take?
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2011: Boog would've count 77
All of them.
It’s no ordinary love.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Jul 29, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
But I hear it's key.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm back to one
and she’s pretty cool.
I’ll be at the game with her Saturday for my 30th birthday. You going?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jul 29, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
last night made this whole season
feel like last august all over again – losing to shitty teams, putting out shitty lineups, just not doing anything right, and rolling over. unless the cards make a sudden surge, we’ll find ourselves looking up in the division again.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
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honestly,
I just never understood the whole offense for defense trope meaning that we had to do it with both Berkman AND Theriot. Do it when it makes sense.
Maybe Mo thinks that we can move toward stronger defense at SS and get the extra offense by playing Craig consistently at 2B (if Puma can get healthy). A platoon of DD and TG as SS is just fine with me.
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
THE BLOG WORKED
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and updated!!!
this is excellent news.
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For Heath Bell and Jason Bartlett…
(crickets)
NO?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
$5MM for Bartlett next season seems a bit steep.
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Yes,
and being punched in the gut is probably better than being punched in the face. I just don’t want to be punched at all.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Jul 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
o/
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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i'll be more enthusiastic when TLR actually plays him consistently over theriot
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
x>patterson
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Cody your sig is killing my ctrlf search for the TG discussion
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry
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include a space at the beginning
Cody’s got the | and no space before the F.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Ah brilliant
I’m sorry Cody. I kinda sounded like a dick. I was just excited to jump straight in to the TG bandwagon.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
that's cool, Tyler Greene can do that to people.
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yes he can
slugging .578!!
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The Blog agrees!!!
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woot woot!!
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
YAH!!!!!!
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he needs consistent playing time, so we need our motto to be based around that.
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Well #TLRPLEASEGIVETGREENECONSISTENTPLAYINGTIME doesn't quite roll off the tongue
Start Tyler Greene?
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that'd be nice too.
it’s harder to argue for without results though, I mean DD probably starts before Greene.
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how about
LET TYLER PLAY!!
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
by d-dee on Jul 29, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
d-dee is our secretary of slogans and other stuff.
it is official
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done and done
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
alright!
o/
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
intercepted?
/not going to reload
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Yeah.
So should we put that new slogan in our sigs now for official-ness purposes.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
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holy shit, there's a blog and a fanclub for real
you guys are serious
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Of course we're serious.
Although the blog is CodyG’s work, the TG Fanclub does support it
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
How does it feel about Bosnians?
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we try to refrain from taking political stances
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Catholic jokes are fair game though
And “grit by ethnicity” jokes.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Seriously
But at least I’m not a Mormon. Compared to the crap they get from people, being Catholic is like being at the cool kids’ table.
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havent you seen his. we are legit.
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and done!
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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Holy crap I didn't realize how poorly Furcal was hitting this year
Do we really want that? I may be on the “if that’s what we’re gonna get, we might as well play DD or Greene” bandwagon, and that’s saying something since I’m not a TG fan.
He's been hurt all season
And he’s been a bit unlucky in July, but his walk rate is near his career average.
I think he’s a roll-the-dice candidate as he should cost nothing to acquire.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
that's the key part
“he should cost nothing to acquire” If true, (and by that I mean if Mo doesn’t get fleeced) I’m all for giving him a shot.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want Furcal just because we will have to give up something substantial for him
He’d be an improvement over Theriot, but there’s no way a trade for him would be worth it. Unless you really hate Boggs or Motte.
I don't think you have to
The Dodgers’ payroll is sinking them. They’d probably give him up for cash at this point (i can only hope)
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
For a non-prospect I guess
Nick Additon or something.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
he's been out with injuries for a good chunk of the year though
As long as the glove plays, then I wouldn’t be upset if he doesn’t hit. Right now, a SS who makes plays and and doesn’t give away runs (or prevents more runs with a GB pitching staff) but not hitting > current defensively inept SS that’s not hitting.
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but even a regressed BABIPp and he has a .310ish wOBA
I wouldn’t call that an extreme upgrade over greene and descalso.
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He's hitting .195/.267/.241 with a .225 BABIP
Projected to hit .258/.326/.371 the rest of the year with a .285 BABIP.
Eh.
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Ok
make the trade
shut up and take my prospects
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oh for god's sake
not BABIP again.
Give me the date his luck will change.
wat
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Before I get into this
Also, have you ever taken a basic statistics class? That will aide me in educating you
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No
Colby Rasmus was a .260 hitter…therefore he sucks.
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Thanks...
I’ve been looking for these…
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Don't be a smart aleck
I’ve read the articles, blah blah. I actually find BABIP fascinating.
The thing is, to me, BABIP shows results. It is not indicative of immediate change in fortune.
Furcal certainly could see his BABIP shoot up. Or he could not. We cannot predict which. We can say he’s a much better hitter, and then we can get to the end of September and say “wow, his BABIP sucked the whole year.”
You're right, we can't predict what will happen
But is it a good policy to anticipate that a player will continue to hit for an all-time high BABIP? Which is 3 standard deviations above the mean?
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One question I've had
Is how do we know that LD, FB, GB are being applied consistently across ballparks? Usually it would be a no-brainer, but could be enough in the margins between LD and FB and maybe even LD and GB to move someone’s liner rate up or down a percent or 2.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a very legitimate question
The problem with the public domain stats that we have right now is that what is/isn’t a line drive is determined by a human. I’ve worked enough with BIS to know that you classify a batted ball as either GB/FB/LD/fliner liner/fliner fly ball, and then if it’s hit soft/medium/hard. There’s a lot of human bias in that, obviously
What teams have access to right now, is Hit f/x or Field F/x that has the ball speed and angle off the bat, which would be MUCH more accurate in terms of placing batted balls in bins
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legit concern
That’s one of the issues. The fix is to put a chip in the ball and record everything :-)
From what I’ve found, BABIP off of line drives is ~.740 were BABIP off of Fly balls is ~.160. So if you classify I fly ball as a Line drive or visa versa, It could throw everything off by a lot.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jul 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are wide variations across parks.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/what-i-hate-about-line-drives/
You can see that this makes far more than a marginal difference.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't anticipate anything
as one of your links shows. BABIP only shows results.
I assume you’re referring to Jay. I don’t care. My point is simply that Furcal isn’t going to magically start hitting better.
Right, just like Pythagorean record only shows results
It’s not predictive, but you can get an idea if your team has outperformed so far
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ichiro suzuki...luckiest man alive?
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah BABIP has a skill element
But Ichiro is like 3 standard deviations away from the mean, so you really shouldn’t expect anybody to put up an Ichiro-like BABIP
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BABIP = dumb luck you shut your dirty mouth
my point (if i have one, i’m not sure i do) is that even though ichiro is a bit of a savant, he exemplifies an approach to hitting that can probably be studied and emulated. i think BABIP should be a skill-related metric, not merely a synonym for luck.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm getting some interesting results
that prove that what you say is somewhat true
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No, there's both
Standard deviation is about .015, I believe. Let’s assume a normal distribution
So 66% of hitters fall between .285 and .315
95% of hitters fall between .260 and .330
99.9% of hitters fall between .245 and .345
I believe the people who are more than 3 stdevs away from the mean are all all-timers, too. I don’t think Jon Jay is one of them
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Ok, this might be more correct.
I don’t have my study right now, but about 40% of BABIP was explained by metrics such as GB%, K% and Speed. The rest, might be, something I’m missing or just pure luck
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there is always "luck" involved
One of the issues I have with BABIP is everyone is quick to discount a players BABIP over a small sample size of two-three seasons. I mean, they’ll say you need that a sample size of 1500 ABs (The robot did) or 2200 ABs (VEP). This could easily be the scope of their whole prime years. (age 26-28) If said player plays for 10 years, he could have several years in his prime with a high BABIP. But then as his skills deteriorate, and his BABIP drops off, so his career BABIP goes down.
But that doesn’t mean his BABIP over the course of three years was just “luck”. You have to look at what he is doing. If a player is hitting a lot of line drives, hitting the ball to all fields, and not popping the ball up, he isn’t getting lucky with his BABIP.
Grit != flat out sucking.
This had nothing to do with my post, but okay
Nobody’s saying it’s just “luck.” But having a .350 BABIP is clearly not sustainable. If you think it is, you’re implying that he’s one of the best players of all time
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sustaniable for how long?
I think it is sustainable for a period of 2-3 years.
But I wouldn’t want Jon Jay when he is 30.
Grit != flat out sucking.
What basis do you have to say that?
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Wouldn't this be easy to look at?
Can’t you take a sample of retired players “peak years” and see if the BABIP is higher than the years before and after the peak?
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No, that's fine. That makes intuitive sense to me
EXPECTING a player to sustain a .350 BABIP over 3 years is pretty unreasonable
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Oh sure
if thre proved to be a correlation (High BABIP/peak years) then the question becomes well when does the peak years start. Answer that question and you got a million internet dollars.
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on the otherside of that coin
Expecting a player to regress down to .310 BABIP without a drop off in skill, or a different approach is pretty unreasonable.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Oh hey there strawman
How’s the hay today?
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as I said a few days ago
while I was regressing Jay’s, Colby’s, and other peoples BABIP to their batted ball profile. It’s not something I have time to dive into right now. But maybe in the future when I have more time on my hand I’ll do the leg work to prove it.
Right now it’s basically just a hypothesis basied on looking at guys with a high BABIP and trying to figure out what they were doing with the ball in those years.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Iff the player doesn't have many secondary hitting skills
than usually a BABIP dependent player will get discounted a lot of the time (see Austin Jackson), I mean it’s more obvious they can keep up a high BABIP when they’re covering ground like Andruw Jones and steal 50 bases.
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I mean austin jackson and 400 BABIP
but that’s an extreme case.
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BABIP always has some luck in it
Assuming we know nothing about the player but his PA and BABIP, we would regress the shit out of his BABIP in 600 plate appearances and regress a little bit of his BABIP in 2000 PA.
We know something about Jay – that he’s fast and maybe hit’s slightly more line drives than the average player – which probably means we should regress his BABIP towards .310 rather than .295.
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh, no way its normally distributed
log normal maybe
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Ichiro
my point (if i have one, i’m not sure i do) is that even though ichiro is a bit of a savant, he exemplifies an approach to hitting that can probably be studied and emulated.
I don’t know that Ichiro can be emulated. Maybe if a player started young enough. Ichiro has one of the most unique swings in the history of the game.
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He's a lot easy to compare to Ty Cobb, Joe Jackson and Big Ed Delahntey than he is to modern players.
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That might be an excellent point
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Any day I can drop a Big Ed reference, I'm happy.
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GET IT? DROP!!!
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it's not probable, but also not impossible
all i’m saying is that it is possible for BABIP to be affected by one’s effort, not the GOBs. i can’t accept that a player has a low BABIP simply because they are unlucky. maybe that person just isn’t very skilled at hitting baseballs.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
There is skill involved.
As the discussion in this subthread has shown. It’s not all luck, but luck plays a factor. That is why one needs to look at the batted ball information to see if the player is simply bad at hitting baseballs or if it is a spot of bad luck.
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i can get on board with this.
though luck/chance probably plays a larger part in many other stats we don’t closely relate to luck/chance.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Which ones are you thinking of?
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i'm thinking of ice cream right now
i may have to get back with you once i’ve given it some earnest consideration, but how about OBP?
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
OBP is affected by batted-ball luck because base hits are a component of it.
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Right. Walk rate, on the other hand, is not
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strikes and balls are qualitative
/devil’s advocate
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of, but it all sort of evens out over an entire season
I think walk rate actually stabilizes pretty quickly.
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There was a study that showed umpires call balls & strikes accurately
at a percentage rate in the high 90s. The luck involved in walking or not walking is therefore very minimal.
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minimal, but not statistically insignificant?
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say it's statistically insignificant.
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which study was this? do you have a link?
i’m not sure what α would be in this case, but it might be helpful to know whether we’re talking about a 1% or 5% chance of a missed call.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't find it with an admittedly quick Google search.
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me neither
i found an ESPN study that says 20% of “close calls” are missed, but that told me very little before i was pulled away from my computer to “post daily sales and COGS” or whatever. god i hate how work gets in the way of my VEB time.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Come one man! Get your priorities straight!
1. Drinking
2. VEB
3.???
4. Work
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
i'm not sure about that
Colby walks a lot, but look at his called strike Fx data. Guy is consequently getting screwed out of balls on the outside of the plate.
Grit != flat out sucking.
There is both and skill and a luck element for a hitter's BABIP
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how many true 80 average hitters have there ever been in the last 40 years?
Ichiro, Pujols, Boggs, Gwynn?
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scout grading scale. 80 is 3 standard deviation points from the mean.
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I'm not sure I'd put pujols in the same catagory of those guys when considering BABIP.
for average, sure, but not BABIP.
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Is there a 20-80 scale for average?
because that doesn’t sound like a tool that could be measure very well.
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Average and contact skills are fairly synonymous, right?
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I'm not sure about that
I mean Brett Gardner is probably a true 80 contact hitter, and he won’t hit .330 ever because of power.
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Yeah I see your point
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What's the level in which a players
tools become “plus?”
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Probably 70
50 is average
60 is above-average
70 is plus
80 is plus-plus
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So a five tool player
is plus in all categories or above average in all?
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If they reach the Majors, yeah
But it’s different if you’re deciding, like, a high school player is a 5 tool player. They’re probably going to be 40 hit (but projected to be better), 60 arm, 60 speed, etc.
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Colby Rasmus
was a five tool player wasn’t he?
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projected to be.
very, very few ever actual are one. Mantle, Hamilton…
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I thought
he was never really predicted to hit for average, so wouldn’t he have been a 4-tool player?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I used average meaning different things in those two sentences. I eflt dizzy re-reading it.
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I don't think average is a fair tool
if so, should patience be a tool as well?
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Depends on when we're asking the question
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Considering there's very, very few 70 speed guys
60 would probably work.
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fair enough
Vlad, and Todd Helton are added to your list, and maybe Mauer.
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Average
is not a good way to measure a players actual skill level. DUH!
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Rod Carew has to be on there
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wat
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What are you guys talking about?
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Aw come on guys!
Let me in on the joke!
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Ahhhhhhh, thanks Wikipedia!
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Albert, Helton, Puckett?
Holliday, Nomar?
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Holliday definitely.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Frank Thomas?
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
There are tons of reasons why he has the BABIP he does
speed
LD hitter (20.3 % for career)
13% balls in IF go for hits.
…etc
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to add on
High LD%
High GD%
Low FB%
Low IFFB%
And in speed and this equals = High BABIP.
I’d throw Votto in there too. His Groundball% isn’t as high, but his Line Drive% is higher @23% and his IFFB is a stupid low 1.8%. Only in his rookie year did he have an IFF% of greater than 4% {6.8%). And the last three years it’s been less than 2%.
Grit != flat out sucking.
What's league-average FB%?
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The average for FB% since 2002 in the MLB
for players with at least 1000 PA is 36.76%
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I was going to guess 40% just from observation, so 3% makes me very ahppy.
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Where is that data?
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I'm making a study on BABIP
so I downloaded Fangraphs’ database
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Nice.
What are league average for all the batted ball types from 2002?
GB%
LD%
IFFB%
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GB% = 43.29%
LD%= 19.93%
IFFB%= 10.21%
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I'm thinking abouto nly including LD%
because if I include both LD% and FB%, I get a multicollinearity bias error.
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Turns out I'm wrong. The error comes with GB%
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You should only get multicollinearity if you include all 3, right?
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Oh wait that's something else
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Nope, you're right.
Extreme, ugly multicollinearity when they are all there.
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IMHO
the key to a high BABIP is to hit a lot of Line drives, few fly balls, and fewer infield flys. Unless of course, a lot of your fly balls are hit for home runs. Then you know, hit away.
Grit != flat out sucking.
100% LD rate is the ideal way to do it.
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or just get one hit your first AB, then only K or hit dingers.
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Ok these are my results.
Let’s see what you guys think about it. What the numbers mean is that an increase of one standard deviation in the metric equates to an increase (or decrease) of X BABIP points.
So, for example, an increase in 1 standard deviation of LD% makes your BABIP rise .0042 points.
FB%= -.0058
IFFB% = -.0082
HR/FB = .0048
Speed = .0081
K% = .0037
Constant = .3003
These metrics explain about 57% of BABIP. The rest is luck.
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Where and when are you publishing your study?
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I don't know.
It’s preliminary stuff right now and some tests still need to be done. I mainly did this so that we can have accurate debates on BABIP here on VEB, since we talk about it 24/7.
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I think it's a great idea.
I wish there were more studies on BABIP. I encourage you to continue with it and, when you’re done, to get it published someplace.
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I'm sure FanGraphs would publish it
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It looks interesting, and I appreciate the work
I’m just trying to find a similar article now, that brought up which %age of BABIP is luck.
I’m sure VEP would know the article I read, but I think it was hardball.
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one thing I found interesting to post
Singles per FB at 150 FB: .450
2B/3B per FB at 150 FB: .565
HR per FB at 150 FB: .790
Singles per GB at 150 GB: .244
2/3B per GB at 150 GB: .128
Singles per LD at 100 LD: .035
2B/3B per LD at 100 LD: .562
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hmm, a quick and dirty use of this can help me develop xISO!!!
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Do you just give 2.5*.565 for each FB?
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seems reasonable, I could debate weather the player's speed can help me.
I mean, you’re more likely to get 15 doubles a triple than 8 triples and 8 doubles.
I probably should weigh it more towards 2, than the halfway point.
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I think I’ll quit while behind.
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Actually, "The rest is luck" is too strong of a statement
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Heh, well it probably is some metric
I am leaving out. However, you don’t want to include too much stuff or it will mess everything up. So, say 20-30% is luck/unexplained
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so...
It’s May 1st. Who looked at our outfield and thought, “you know what we need, More Corey Patterson.”
Grit != flat out sucking.
The Cubs.
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by spants on Jul 29, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
spot on
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 29, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Zack Cox now at .285/.355/.415. Cromulent.
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Decent first year, but I don't see how he'll have much value when blocked at third.
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and Matt Carpenter
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McCarp
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he won't be blocked for long if he finds some more power.
by stxcardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
you can say that about any prospect
he probably doesn’t hit more than 20 HRs a year, usually hitting 10-15 in a normal year.
also his defense is probably 10 runs worse on average than carp and freese just from what I’ve read.
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What the fuck is a "normal year" for Zack Cox?
usually hitting 10-15 in a normal year.
also his defense is probably 10 runs worse on average than carp and freese just from what I’ve read.
I hope you realize this entire post is complete BS.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno...
that’s kind of the book on him at this point. Sure he could prove everyone wrong.
Are you Zach Cox’s agent?
DFA Patterson!!!
I mean his peak year is not more than 20 HRs
10-15 is what I expect.
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I read a RT by Leach
last night or this morning that said his “defense went from fall down range to taking hits away.” Color me intrigued. Finally.
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's not dilute the meaning of fall down range.
That takes a unique kind of ineptitude that was evidenced by Brett Wallace. Just because it was introduced to our lexicon doesn’t mean it will often apply to players. Zach Cox has never had fall down range. I wouldn’t label Matt Adams as fall down range. Brett Wallace was an AWFUL fielder.
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@MatthewHLeach for awhile, Cox had awful range. I once feared routine plays, he is now taking hits away. He has truly improved.
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
they say Jeter is a GG SS
I’m not sure I trust a broadcaster, it was probably a good diving play if anything.
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Well, I mean
Jeter IS a GG SS
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damn, that's not what I meant though
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yeah, I meant he sucks
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all im saying is that someone who watches him play everyday
and presumably knows something about baseball is impressed with his defensive improvement. It helps with the pain of 28.
He’ll probably get shipped to Philly for John Kruks remaining testicle next year.
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwin Jackson line tonight?
any takers?
8IP 4H 10K 0R
It’s the Cubs…
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
I'd be more optimistic because it's "the cubs"
But we played the team with the worst record and run differential in the majors and split a 4 game series….so, yeah.
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he was part of the
white sox- cubs rivalry so he has already been at least steered towards anti-cubism.
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this is a good omen
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I'll say 7Ks and 2 BBs
2 ER over 6.2 IP
leaves bases loaded after bad luck on balls in play.
/will be happy if he outperforms it.
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3IP 11H 8R 3BB 1K
and we all sign up for Bluebird Banter.
DFA Patterson!!!
by guayzimi on Jul 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm in
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
Am I being paranoid?
Or is anyone else worried about Holliday’s and Berk’s HR/FB rates? I Don’t have time to check them now, but I remember at the Break they were way above their career averages.
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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 29, 2011 11:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i saw this on hardball talk and just about cried, laughing
THIS is simply uncomprehendable to me
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
This trade is making me more bitter by the day
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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It's a perfect example of why the AL is better than the NL...
AA is trying to field as many elite-level players as possible, while Mo pulls his annual short-term panic trades to try to get to 88 wins. Someday a competent owner is going to get a hold of the Dodgers/Mets/Cubs and then we’ll have to change.
DFA Patterson!!!
...
“uncomprehendable” is a fantastic word on many levels.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
it works just the same
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
grammar, even
unless that was the dig.
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
this
“You’re not looking to build walls, you’re always looking to build bridges, to make sure you get the most out of any given player,” [Blue Jays Manager John Farrell] added.
is like the smartest, simplest, most common sense thing ever. Why can’t any of us ever picture TLR saying something remotely close?
by goodymobb on Jul 29, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
we are really nice up here eh?
yay four day wait period is over
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
YOU ENJOY THE CRAP OUT OF HIM, YOU HEAR ME?!
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by mysterui on Jul 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Tell me one thing:
Why is Corey Patterson on my team?
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He's now a US citizen?
d-dee’s gonna be pissed.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
IDGAF
i’m moving to canada
free healthcare, poutine, colby rasmus
i’m sold
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Poutine
is a delicious snack of french fries, cheese curds and gravy. Doesn’t sound good, but it is. I’m heading to a Blue jays game in a few weeks. I hope they sell it at the Rogers center.
That reminds me of a story
My friend’s brother went on spring break in Canada (I don’t know why) and he stopped at a Subway. The sandwich maker asked what kind of cheese he wanted and he said “american” to which the sandwich maker in a strong tone said “you’re in canada boy” to which my friend’s brother said “ok, canadian cheese?”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
only one is overrated.
and that is Mr. Colby. Poutine is delicious. Totally Free health care would be awesome.
how did this guy know the "because TLR" password?
i got my eye on you…
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
glad you made it.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
and now its a long weekend up here
and i wont be on a computer for most of the weekend.
I’ll keep lurking, you guys are pretty cool, and very entertaining.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 29, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU'RE pretty cool and very entertaining
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the cross thread chatting
was probably the most fun I’ve had on sbnation in a long time
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
well, we try.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Good luck foiling Brewmeister Smith in whatever evil plan he's got cooked up this weekend!
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
some turn into dirty dirty bastards at night time
just to give you the heads up
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
human crap?
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It really does help against the trolls, though
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Wait
There’s an approach to development other than let’s belittle the kid until he learns his place?
I have to say...
if I were the second winning-est manager in history, I probably would develop a huge ego and tell Rasmus’ HS coach to fuck off. Not sure what the answer is other than to get a new manager.
DFA Patterson!!!
That's a legitimate action
But of course he didn’t do that. He just yapped to the press. Hahah.
how do you know he didn't tell him to fuck off?
Tony could have told him in so few words that exact sentiment. Problems continued and then have it spill over to the press
thats why i laughed
i don’t think any mlb team would give pops or some high school coach, as much time as tony rasmus wants. The man is a loser, his son became a major league player and he thinks it is all because of him, not the fact the son has an awesome god-given skills.
I don’t know how many if even anyone on here reads the hardballtalk blog, its not any thing special, but i like it. Tony rasmus has posted in the comments multiple times defending his son when the post was negative. Who in the hell else do you think that is on the stl cardinals, that has a dad lurking on the internet looking for stuff about his son. That is just fucking creepy. I didn’t have a side on the stay or go, but for if the kid is 24 year old and can’t tell his dad to shut up and go away, he might never make it any ways.
/ Really, Really hate the trade, this is going to look like carlton-wise when it is said & done.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
Ugh wtf
“Can he be a great player? Absolutely, if he learns and improves,” La Russa said, though after the trade he referred to Rasmus as a “bench player.”
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 29, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
if he had shown any grit
tony would have said he was the greatest ever
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
Seriously - has he not messed with the kid's confidence enough?
Gotta fire shots once he’s gone, too?
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
reading between the lines
I guess Tony really is a believer in Jon Jay then.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
tlr is a real believer in tlr
period
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
The tenor of their reported relationship leads me to believe
1. Colby does not listen to LaRussa
2. Colby does not lack for confidence in his baseball ability
I don’t think a single thing LaRussa says affects Colby’s ability to play baseball.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you know he didn't tell him to fuck off?
Tony could have told him in so few words that exact sentiment. Problems continue and then have it spill over to the press.
Dear Toronto
Good luck with that Tony Rasmus thing.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
we are pampering him. he even got an interview on the local sports radio station.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 29, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Give him a job in the lower minors to distract him.
he misses being a coach.
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Crap
we have one in vancouver now
thats far enough away
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 29, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Was thinking more about "remote", but general distance works too.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
vancouver's not remote?
/kidding
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
too close to Boog
I don’t like it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's good
he had one with one of our guys just a week ago. Where he said that he wasn’t working with colby on his hitting.
Then yesterday, our most trusted reporter said that he was seen reviewing batting tape with Colby in the club house. So, actually, you might be better off not giving the guy a soapbox to stand on.
Grit != flat out sucking.
or just let him help
wasn’t he the one that figured out the contact lenses problem?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
exactly...
haha….let’s just let the players run the team.
....
“He talks fast so I was trying to keep up with him but it was great, it was awesome,” Rasmus said. “I sat down with him and Mr. John (Farrell). I thought it was a great talk and I’m just excited to be playing for them. They seem to be great people and excited to have me, which is awesome. I feel like they really want me to be here and I want to be here just as much as they want me.”
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
He calls his manager Mr. John
That is AWESOME
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 29, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a tech who constantly referred to me as "Mr. Scott"
to my patients. Drove me up a freaking wall. Perhaps this is part of why TLR had him ran out of town? You know, “Dammit Rasmus, stop calling me Mr. Tony!”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
"Sorry Mr. Tony..."
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Jul 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so he goes to canada and now all of a sudden he builds whole sentences
and literate ones at that?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
He's finally able to unclench his butt cheeks
and stop worrying about TLR
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
fuck
that is all.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It's play well damn it! play well!!!
“I’m just trying to play good, play hard, nothing further than that,” he said. “It’s not trying to disrespect anybody, nothing. Just trying to play good and I think he’ll help me play good.”
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Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he was talking about his alignment.
He’s trying to be lawful good instead of chaotic neutral.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
dingdangolebackstabdamagex3
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Jul 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would take that bet
If for no other reason than expecting any future GM/manager Colby plays under to SHUT THE FUCK UP to the media about any issues between the organization and Colby and his pappy. And even though presuming front office competence is perhaps a bit dangerous, Alex Anthopolous (AA as he’s so often affectionately referred to, which suggests he may be a good fit for our club. Bazing! Okay sorry keed) seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders; if Tony “Trollby” Rasmus and his son have issues with the current org and said org thought it best for the team to ship the latter away, I assume AA would do whatever he could to preserve the value of the player so as avoid getting .30 on the dollar in any return package. So basically, if he does get traded (twice!), unless the (both!) club comes out (like our own lol sadface etc.) and explicitly cites attitudinal issue, jew lose da bet, mang.
You only did it so that you could wear terry underwear and feel the city air run past your body
by lunchboxbomb on Jul 29, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, that was obnoxious
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want Colby to turn into Edmonds in Toronto
And Tony to get hit by a bus.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
thoughts on Walters starting?
The jays optioned him to AAA and told him he would get a spot in the rotation.
He has fringy stuff
89 mph fastball supplemented by a plus change and decent curve, I think. I can’t imagine he’ll be successful in the AL East
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he tops out at 89
he works 85-87
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he looked like had a lot of movement on his pitches, but trouble controlling them. He doesn’t have a lot of time to prove himself, i would have liked him to stay up in the pen.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 29, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't expect much more out of him than a replacement level player, honestly
He’s a great guy, though, with a heartbreaking backstory.
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Here's just a presser
But I’m sure there’s a more detailed story on the STL Post Dispatch
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thanks
and thanks to everyone for the info on him, sounds like he will be easily passed by our other prospects.
Hopefully we can let him go elsewhere, and try and get his shot
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We already sent him to a nice farm up north so he can be free.
Please don’t shoot him.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 29, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
FYI --PJ's father posts on message boards too.
He just hasn’t been controversial like Tony Rasmus
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Yes
If you ever wonder what he’s writing on the mound, it’s the name of his daughter Annabelle.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
some of us were actually
thanks for the information
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Backstory
His daughter Annabelle was 14 weeks premature and after surgeries and complications she died roughly a month later. PJ was constantly travelling back and forth from the minors to the hospital, and it took a great toll on him.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Fringy stuff?
If he’s not facing Soriano, he seems to get shelled.
Yes that's generally what fringy stuff means
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I suppose if you really just need someone to competently fill out the AAA rotation
and maybe make an emergency start, he’d be ok.
Random Walters trivia
On July 25, 2011, Walters gave up a grand slam to Houston Astros outfielder Carlos Lee. This made Walters and Lee the first pair of players in MLB history in which the batter (Lee) hit grand slams in each of his only two at bats against the pitcher (Walters).
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He really sucks IMO.
Never had hope for him doing anything at the MLB level.
AAAA starter if you will IMO.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny, coming from you
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Eh, I don't latch on to every AAAA prospect there is!
Plus, Greene plays at a position full of shitty middle infielders with not much of a future while Walters plays at a position that is stacked and full of competent to overpaid starters.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the best thing that can be said for Walters
is he’s better than Miller and Tallet.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
he's cheaper than miller and tallet
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the argument in Walters' favor is that he's been a starter
I don’t care enough to go looking up #s, none of them are in the STL org any more and hurrah for that.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
PJ is going to be perfect for your AAAA team.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
right, sometimes he'll pitch in A ball and the other times in AAA
/bad joke
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Turn it around!
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his average will improve
as his BABIP regresses to the .250 provided as a right to every major league ballplayer by the constitution of baseball.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Separation of powers, Fritz!
Did you even read the Federal League Papers???
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Actually that would be .350 then
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
his OBP & SLG are usually pretty similar....
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Kicky foot: Klinsmann official
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Cool cool cool!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
das ist doch super mega geil
jawooooohl
or something
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Hopefully this means the USSF gave him complete control over the entire national team structure from U-17 on up
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 29, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of me wants to email him and try to latch on somewhere with the USMNT
Another part of me is perfectly happy in KC and not traveling all the time and getting to actually see my wife
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Traveling all the time doesn't sound particularly good to me right now
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hey, one less asian on the road amirite?
o/
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thatsracist.gif
\o
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 29, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a little weird that you're 20 somethingish and looking to settle down
not bad, but atypical
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh. Would it be that much of an upgrade over what I'm currently doing to justify leaving my wife for, what, 4 years?
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They might pay you.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Jul 29, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm probably going to get paid here in a month as well
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somehow i don't think she'd object much
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Probably make for a more interesting resume.
And some pretty incredible stories. Just quit after the Brazil WC.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Then again what happens if he does a great job with the USMNT
He’ll end up in some top 10 club in Europe. I don’t think there’s any stability in following him.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 29, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you quite followed the subthread haha
But this is win-win long term. If he’s great, then awesome for us! If he’s not, the Gulati is gone!
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i can write him a pretty impressive speech in german and he can go impress the hell out of Jurgen
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
the funny part would be when Jurgen starts to speak German to rui.
And all rui can do is give him a blank stare and bleak smile.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
all he has to do is is arbitrarily rotate the phrases
Jawohl!
Jurgen, du bist der Koenig
Super Idee
meine Mutter ist eine Schlampe
and here and there throw in an Ich liebe dich, Jurgen
all set
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by d-dee on Jul 29, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I'll have to remember those incase I run into him
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
(Psst, mysterui! I think there's a chance some of these are actually there to sabotage you!)
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Jul 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well that email just got awkward
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Ha yeah I didn't really know where to interject with that
I was just saying that if you attach yourself to Klinsmann, then at no point in your career would you really have any stability.
Then again you could be the next Villas Boas. Rui’s time to shine! x 10
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
4 years at USC taught me this, yes
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I find it abhorrent that a Klinsmann is allowed to be a coach of any US represented team
by peppermartin on Jul 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a joke, but I can't quite figure it out
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i'll decide as soon as someone explains to me what abhorrent means
i bet canadians don’t use such stuck up words
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Well, the French Canadians have all those slang/profanity words that are based on liturgical terms
So that’s a little weird.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Don't care
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does he still have options?
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he hasn't played in the minors since 2006, so that would be a yes.
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play him every day in front of furcal
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"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so fast
Furcal has more veteranyness.
I don’t think we can make this assumption so easily.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
terribeux is white, tiny, sucks, and gritty
that’s a quadrafecta
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by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Official!!
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Mozeliak told me that Tyler Greene has been recalled from Memphis; a DL move (Punto?) coming.
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last night 3 for 5 with 2HR- YOWZA!!!!
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damn you guayzimi
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Valdes?
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is valdes still up?
dgoolds article today said rzep is the only lefty in the pen
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure
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tyler greene to the rescue!
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what are they doing about the catching situation?
Having three catchers is weird enough without having two of them be day-to-day.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
indeed
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
more like
ot/ \ot
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
when talking to cubs fans I used to tell them it was cute they kept the college sweethearts together
I even started referring to Fontenot as “Brokeback Fontenot”
now I can’t do any of that
HFS
Jurgen fucking Klinsmann!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 29, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also
Way to waste a year Gulati
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 29, 2011 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it's good to have a chief justice on your side
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 77
Jaime Garcia has been traded for Rick Ankiel
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hate you
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sounds about right
carlos martinez for furcal still in the works i guess?
waino’s optioned declined?
Berkman traded for Heath Bell
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
i could actually handle trading berkman
would probably get a good return. bell is obviously not that return, though
cardinals also acquite needed OF depth in the form of ryan ludwick.
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"Ryan's a reliable guy who can handle the bat and provide back up for Patterson in right field"
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Jul 29, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what do we have to do...
to get TLR to actually play Greene at SS ( and bench Theriot)? I’m guessing my first born. I’m considering it. D.GOOCH
i think it's more likely descalso gets the SS job than greene
greene will ride the pine and pinch hit for relievers. that is all
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by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Descalso at SS is not the worst thing that could happen
At least we’d have someone who could, you know, throw the ball to first base without first taking a spiderman-esque running start
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
although Theriot did make one good throw last night (one) on a grounder that I expected to be an infield hit just because I didn’t think he could throw it that hard/far.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
it looks like he's capable of making decent throws when he can take his time and get his feet set
he doesn’t have nearly the upper body strength to throw well when he’s off-balance, from his knees, when he’s in a hurry, etc.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Perusing mojo's rec spreadsheet
a fink has been killing it since joining
wasn’t he a big theriot apologist?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
Not apologist
He took the wait and see approach.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
ah, so he was rational
sucker!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
It's out of date now
I don’t have running access to rec numbers since I’m not a mod, so the further away we get from when I created it, the less relevant it is.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
he still has incredibly impressive numbers
something on the order of 40 comments /day
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
I suddenly started laughing
and I don’t know why.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
its cool
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
i never know if this strauss/goold feud is jokes or not
not the first time i’ve seen goold mention that strauss blocked him on twitter
I've only recently started paying attention to it
And I’ve been wondering the same thing. I’m guessing it’s real but they’d both downplay it a ton if asked. #Intrigue #Developing
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I once asked DG about something Strauss said in a piece
and he said that he had no idea what Strauss meant by anything.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My girlfriend was at Goold's wedding
I just found that out a few months ago. I should ask her to get back in touch with Mrs. Goold and see what the straight scoop is.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 29, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not going to happen Evilfrog
Don’t worry. I think the answer is pretty obvious.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 29, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Bernie
Ah, here we go. The orig. source: RT @miklasz Mozeliak told me that Tyler Greene has been recalled from Memphis; a DL move (Punto?) coming.
we may have saturated coverage for tyler greene
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
when is the parade?
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wat
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignore that.
Didn’t like 5 players get injured last night so Punto’s not the only option?
It’s on repeat, but dgoold just said that and I somehow missed the original post.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but punto's injury seemed to be the worst right?
so it’d make sense he got DL’ed
by molina mo problems on Jul 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the 26 man roster, it's too brilliant not to fail
Genius TLR does it again
http://cardinals.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=stl
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Anyone know a skywriter?
I want to paint the sky behind the arch with Corey Patterson’s OBP every time he starts.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 29, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
I dunno
I did my part like 6 hours ago.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
it's clearly ridiculous. planes aren't allowed near the arch
thanks a lot 9-11
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a plane carrying a banner flying around downtown this evening.
Apparently someone hates Alcoholics Anonymous.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
fuck em
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks a lot, bin laden
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the one!
these margaritas are working
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Cruz, punto, theriot, patterson,
DFA or demote one of them already Mo!
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what's your problem with punto?
beside him not being able to play a week without getting hurt
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
oops, I meant for him to be DL'd
Nothing wrong with him, he did win me that bet with azru after all.
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DL Punto, DFA Patterson
Promote Chambers
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
promote chambers, and craig and carpenter
Demote Cruz i guess.
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Is Cruz going to the DL?
’cause of his finger, or what that was Laird. Whatever reason it was he left the game.
both of them
although Cruz’ was classified as a “hand contusion” so maybe his finger(s) weren’t involved much.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Cruz, Hand contusion
Laird, Sprained finger
Molina, No knees
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
as to Cruz, those fucking hurt
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Punto to DL
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The Astros have a .333 winning percentage
That is all.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 29, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
which gives them a 4-8 record against the 2011 cards
which is a…
…
…
.333 winning percentage
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
.597 winning percentage against teams under .500!!!
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Did someone here say they worked for Zeus?
I’m wondering if you’re the “St. Louis based engineer” for the sales rep I had lunch with.
I think it was Prometheus.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You heard it here first
If the Cardinals trade Miller before he has pitched multiple years in the ML rotation, I will stop my fandom until Mo and LaRussa are gone.
Just a pre-emptive strike. I’m guessing the Cardinals pay close attention to my level of interest.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
they want top billing over the vols or no deal
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
presented without comment
W-L (Pythag)
MIL 57-49 (53-53)
PIT 54-49 (52-51)
STL 55-50 (56-49)
CIN 50-55 (55-50)
CHC 42-63 (42-63)
HOU 35-70 (40-65)
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I'm not summing that up
nor will I disclose if I am a sociopath.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Remember when La Russa wrote Rolen a breakup letter?
Why isn’t that mentioned more often? How freaking weird is that?
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Dear Scott
Don’t take your love away from me
Don’t you leave my heart in misery
If you go then I’ll be blue
’Cause breaking up his hard to do
Remember when you held me tight
And you kissed me all through the night
Think of all that we’ve been through
Breaking Up Is Hard To Do
They say that breaking up is hard to do
Now I know, I know that it’s true
Don’t say that this is the end
Instead of breaking up I wish that we were making up again
I beg of you, don’t say goodbye
Can’t we give our love another try
Come on baby, let’s start a new
’Cause breaking up is hard to do
-TLR (Neil Sedaka)
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on Jul 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
colby version
don’t take your hits away from me
don’t you leave my team in misery
please don’t go and wear the blue
’cause accepting trades is hard to do
remember when you were hitting right
and you took a walk like every night
think of that controlled value
accepting trades is hard to do
they say accepting trades is hard to do
now i know, i know that its true
don’t say that this confirmed
instead of trading you i wish that we were watching fire burn
i beg of you, don’t be a jay
can’t you give us just one more play
so long colby, goodbye, adieu
accepting trades is hard to do…
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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by IHeartBoog on Jul 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
recerrific
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
beautiful
make it GREEN!
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 29, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
what...i don't even...WTF
JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
Many media critics of Raz’ trade rather fixate on Mo’, TLR role rather than on early over-the-top assessments of player. The #hpgf factor.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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keep your friends close
keep your enemies closer?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
IHeartBoog did business with Joe Strauss, trusted Joe Strauss...
but IHeartBoog never trusted Joe Strauss.
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
Well fuck all
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Jul 29, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, that's my motto!
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jul 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Just let him go.
(and I ain’t talkin’ about Rasmus.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
i was interested in the goold fight
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Seriously. Why let oneself be trolled over and over?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's all he's doing...
the whole world thinks this was a lopsided deal except Joe Strauss. Talk about bloviating.
DFA Patterson!!!
What the hell does Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire have to do with this?
DFA Patterson!!!
by guayzimi on Jul 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
potter reference always gets a rec
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
Expelliarmus!!
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Constant Vigilance!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
as someone who believes Rasmus was and an "early over-the-top assessed player"
We still traded a cost controlled 3 WAR player for a LOOGY and 2 months of a starting pitcher.
Grit != flat out sucking.
but you're forgetting the 2mo RHRP rental and
Corey F. Patterson
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
rather rather
rather rather
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
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From Hummel
The Cardinals’ medical staff is reporting that catcher Tony Cruz, who suffered a bruised right hand on Thursday, is not hurt seriously, and, apparently neither is catcher Gerald Laird, who sustained a ring finger strain on his catching hand. Laird and Cruz will not be disabled.
Guess I am not supposed to hit Cruz or Laird in the knees anymore? I knew that Colby kid was lying when he told me this order came straight from TLR.
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
Yadi will let them live, it seems.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Over under on fingers amputated between the two: 2.5
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
The Trade
You know, after a couple of days I think I’ve come up with a way to make this trade more palatable (to me, at least, others may not gain much from this approach).
I’ve started thinking of the multi-player swap as two, distinct trades.
Trade 1 – three-way trade between CWS, TOR and STL – STL sends Colby Rasmus to TOR, TOR sends ??( I can’t even remember since I really don’t care) to CWS and Corey Patterson to STL, CWS send Edwin Jackson to STL.
Analysis: terrible, terrible trade for the Cards, one of the worst ever
Trade 2 – STL sends T. Miller, Tallet and PJ Walters to TOR in exchange for Octavio Dotel and Marc Rzepcynski (did I spell that right?)
Analysis: a clear win for the Cards, greatly upgrades the ’pen for the stretch run and possibly gains a compensatory pick for Dotel (possibly).
See, now we made one craptastic, horrible trade and one good trade.
(Like I said, this may not help everyone, but it helped me)
A glass half full thing here huh?
Theriot = what my dog poops out...
by arthropodtodd on Jul 29, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
that's how my roommate who's less into rasmus thinks of it
he still wishes rasmus was on the team but he didn’t follow him through the minors since he moved to springfield after rasmus was gone.
by molina mo problems on Jul 29, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
which we shouldn't pick up
I know that may complicate getting a pick, but I don’t think we need 40 y/o Dotel in the ’pen next year.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I read a La Russa quote today.
“It might be worse tomorrow”
And
“We might have someone to help Friday.”
Since two of our catchers went down yesterday it made me think of who can play catcher in a pinch. I got really scared because Stavi is hanging out at AAA. But then I realized he’s not on the 40 man roster. The thought of Stavi made me think of Miles. I am predicting a move for Miles. Well at least TLR is asking for him. He obviously needs more grit.
by rumors on Jul 29, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
if we acquire a 5th 2B (6th if you want to count craig) i'm done
good night, see ya later, have a good year
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Freese can catch in an emergency.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD
Patterson, rf; Jay, cf; Pujols, 1b; Holliday, lf; Freese, 3b; Schumaker, 2b; Molina, c; Descalso, ss; Jackson, rhp
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Oh god
No
It…
No
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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This is absolute hell
For any of us the have to deal with Cubs fans regularly.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 29, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This is absolute hell
For any of us the have to deal with Cubs fans regularly. who root for the Cardinals.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
could be worse
you-know-who could be starting at SS
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Inconceivable!!
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by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell does Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire have to do with this?
by DanUpBaby on Jul 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
First thing you wanna know about hpgf's, is that they're very proud creatures, very easily offended.
You do not want to insult a hpgf. It may just be the last thing you ever do. Now, who’d like to come and say hello?
Ceterum censeo La Russa ire necesse est.
by mattybobo on Jul 29, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
"his name is carpenter"
“do not look at him directly in the eyes and be sure to run directly to first base”
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
an attempt to make Patterson into the new Brock?
but if when he fails, I will actually have to take a joke from cubs fans and agree with it…
needs moar "WTF"
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This also means Theriot will hit behind Holliday late in the game.
When Walkalong Freese comes out.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
patterson!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh. He's 6-10 off of Garza.
So when he’s 6-13 off of Garza next time he faces him, will he still be leading off?
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
YOU THINK COREY PATTERSON ISN'T GOING TO HIT?
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
When will this exchange take place tonight?
Dan:
“Little surprising, Al, that you have Patterson leading off?”
Al:
“Not at all Dan. Patterson is hitting .600 against Garza. Tony’s playing the numbers.”
that's like flipping a coin 10 times and getting 10 heads
and therefore assume the probability of another head is better because of it
arggggggggggggggggh
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
are we throwing in the towel or what?
WHY DO WE HAVE THREE FUCKING CATCHERS ON THIS TEAM
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Three catchers
Five middle infielders? Six? I’ve lost count.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
SBN'd
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
Bilingual Twitter
by Paulspike on Jul 29, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
flagged!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
All i can do is laugh at this
HFS I miss RASMUS so much.
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by CodyG on Jul 29, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a cry for help if I've ever seen one.
Get your markers and your white t-shirts on stand-by. It’s spelled “FURCAL”
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
please get well soon
Berkman and Craig
They asked the question last night if Craig might come up before the earlier projected 8/1. I don’t know why not, if he’s OK to play a full game at Memphis, surely he could contribute as much as Patterson.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, this.
As ugly as things look right now, Craig and Berk make us a LOT better.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
did you not see
this last night? It was basically the same thing as a double off the wall!
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club.
by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
he's just been DHing and taking infield practice
nothing in the field yet
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
I thought I read here that he had started at 2B a couple of times. I guess that’s why he’s still in Memphis.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing Mo hurried up and got that Rasmus bum out of here
The Cardinals needed a backup right fielder for when Berkman couldn’t play b/c he was getting an MRI on his shoulder. Rasmus would probably refuse to play right field and then go off in the corner and play X-Box or something.
/PD Board Commenting
I wonder… Did LaRussa not bother paying attention to all of those years when Dusty Baker gave away outs while Corey Patterson hit lead off? I swear this organization is actively trying to pay back all of the gift screw-ups the other teams in the division have given away.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 29, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
what the FUCK.
GEE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS AN ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY WONDERFUL TIME TO TRADE OUR STARTING CENTER FIELDER WHEN TWO OF OUR FIVE OUTFIELDERS CAN’T HOLD A BAT!
by hr on Jul 29, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
Mo fucked up in spades on this one.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually pretty nice lineup sans Patterson
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Patterson is an upgrade?
@RobRains
Rob Rains
In 13g since AS break, Cards leadoff hitters a combined 9-58 (.155) and OBP is just .169. Leadoff hitter last drew walk on 7-15. #stlcards
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
over theriot? probably.
Actually, you know what, I don’t even know. I want to throw up.
by hr on Jul 29, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The buckets are over there, next to the towels.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
all this is really making me wish Wong were a little closer to being useful
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i mean, theriot has a .412 OPS since june 19th.
it can’t really get worse than that.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a type, right?
You mean OBP, right?
Right?
Right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
the liquor store by my joint was out of the trippel.
i was heartbroken.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What'd you get?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
sierra nevada summerfest.
my buddy is obsessed with the brand at the moment so i thought i’d try it out.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
it's....alright.
not quite as light as i was hoping.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
cubs lineup tonight
SS Castro, 2B Barney, 3B Ramirez, 1B Pena, CF Byrd, C Soto, LF Soriano, RF Colvin, P Garza
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
randy winn > corey patterson
twitter
i wish we had barney.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Then I was all, "That's no hydroxyl ion! That's my wife"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
"hadron collider? i hardly knew her!"
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"That's her OH- face"
What is Corey Patterson doing in Tyler Greene's spot on the 25-man roster?
by Robth on Jul 29, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well I was going to make a periodic table joke
But all the good ones argon
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
by mysterui on Jul 29, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There was a bunch of these on Failbook
yesterday or today.
There was a reddit thread with them a few days back
On the front page.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Patterson 18 unintentional walks shy of 200...
it’s taken him 12 years and 4,400 trips to the plate to get this far…
DFA Patterson!!!
Who the fuck intentionally walked Patterson 22 times?!!
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing most of those were to get to a pitcher
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
OH MY GOD.
Uh… Carlos Zambrano has been worth more as a hitter than Corey Patterson.
Patterson has been worth 6.25 fWAR as a hitter (removing his fielding and baserunning) in 4,446 plate appearances whil Zambrano has been worth 8.1 fWAR as a hitter in 701 plate appearances.
Seriously shoot me now.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No I'm saying Corey Patterson sucks ass.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yes... gross...
/shifts eyes around the blog
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Well look at you Mr. Judgmental
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Quit being charitable regarding Patterson's baseball abilities
He’s nowhere near the level of sucking ass yet.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 29, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Fire TLR
I’m not surprised at all. And the pitcher wasn’t on deck…
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 29, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he was 1 for 3 against that pitcher, so .333 is a pretty good average.
The next guy was 3 for 11, so you have to choose to pitch to him.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
heard in my clinic today
“The Pollock looked pretty good last night.”
Gotta love these vets!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
is he Polish?
I figured that was a good possibility, some eastern European country. My daughters asked and that’s the best guess I could come up with.
BTW, have we (VEB) agreed yet on Scrabble? I didn’t get to read last night’s gamethread so I’m not sure if this has been covered. I like it (scrabble) but could also see Rzlsjdfoeo (Rz followed by random letters) working too.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I've known a lot of people with names like that.
It’s Polish.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
People actually think a sample size of ten could possibly be predictive. This is unsane.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Yeah, at one point I thought sabermetrics was making a lot of progress
But then this past week happened
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
And people who say a blend of scouting and sabermetrics is the best route apparantly just hate both groups.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
ease up on the acronyms poindexter
the game is played on the field not on excel spreadsheets
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, get Corey Patterson the fuck off my team
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
by mysterui on Jul 29, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is easily going to be the most enduring annoyance of this Colby Rasmus trade
Yes, our depth in the OF is worse. Yes, next year we’ll regret it.
But…yes, Corey Patterson is batting leadoff for a team in contention. My team. The Cardinals.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 29, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's the power of suck
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry now i can't stop
don’t take money, don’t take fame
just some rentals and players to be named
worse than five tools, and team control
but it’s proof tony is an a-hole
that’s the power of suck
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
.291 career OBP, dude!
Guy is a leadoff hitter…. WITH SPEED!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Our lineup August 10th:
Furcal-SS
Jay-CF
Pujols-1B
Holliday-LF
Berkman-RF
Freese-3B
Craig-2B
Yadi-C
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
Our lineup August 10th:
Furcal-SS Greene-SS
Jay-CF
Pujols-1B
Holliday-LF
Berkman-RF
Freese-3B
Craig-2B
Yadi-C
PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE!!
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club.
by Stash Musial on Jul 29, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Reality
Theriot — SS
Jay — CF
Pujols – 1B
Holliday - LF-RF
Yadi – C
Skip —2B
Patterson
DD- 3B
by gocards62 on Jul 29, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YOU THINK WE CAN'T WIN WITH FOUR PLAYERS IN THE LINEUP?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Jul 29, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That is just an awful, awful offense.
And the defense is nothing special, and probably below average in total.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
aces & spaces
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Rec'd
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, why is Corey Patterson on our team and not Adron Chambers?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Been wondering the same...
maybe acquiring the Cubs’ worst players is a new strategy of some kind. Jeff Samardzija and Darwin Barney in 2014?
DFA Patterson!!!
then we pass them to the Reds...
let’s see, the Astros are still passing players to the Phillies
are the Pirates still developing players for the cubs?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"One day Colby, we will meet again
Though we will be exiled from this sea of red, we will meet again. It will be in a rainy city and you will have traveled from a land far away, but we will meet again"
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 29, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
by the way, in the first pic
you can make out Kyle Lohse holding his hand up waiting for his high-five
while they complete their private greeting
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
either way that gives people plenty of time to compose one-act plays.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you mean... the song, right?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not everything is about Clifford, pj
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I didn't even watch Midnight Special and I know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26J0uDIGErM
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I know this has been said a thousand times...
but Theriot and, now Patterson, are just killing any enjoyment I had watching this team. I can’t stop thinking about how much they suck. Didn’t Mo watch those Cubs teams all those years?
by raisin1 on Jul 29, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Cardinals are trading off players I enjoy watching
And replacing them with players I don’t enjoy watching
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
That's part of this that hasn't been mentioned much...
acquiring the worst players from a terrible team that also happens to be your biggest rival really kills a fan’s sense of identity. I (sports) hate Ryan Theriot and Corey Patterson and loved it that they were so awful for the Cubs. Part of me enjoys watching this team lose now because I can’t stand these players.
DFA Patterson!!!
by guayzimi on Jul 29, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I won't go so far as to say I want them to fail
But, I hear what you are saying.
ahhh the mysterious dead-hour of VEB
it’s mysterious.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
People have to stock up on massive amounts of alcohol
in order to watch Patterson lead off for us tonight
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 29, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
St. Louis quittin' time
Meanwhile, it’s 3:30 here and this place goes silent.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
i'm two beers in.
sucks to suck, mojo.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
You know what, nevermind
It does suck to suck.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
two hours ago i was sitting in an office i'm sick with people i'm ready to kill.
now i’m sitting at home enjoying a cold one and loving life. thanks, weekend.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
so, here's what our lineup could be tonight if we were run competently....
descalso 2b
jay rf
pujols 1b
holliday lf
rasmus cf
freese 3b
molina c
ryan ss
lohse p
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
Kyle Lohse isn't a member of a competently run team...
descalso 2b
jay rf
pujols 1b
holliday lf
rasmus cf
freese 3b
molina c
ryan ss
haren p
DFA Patterson!!!
there's things you've got to give.
we were absolutely signing kyle lohse after 2008. did we give him too many years and too much cash? hell yeah we did, but he was going to be part of the team. the mulder trade looked decent at the time.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Boras vs. Mo isn't a fair fight...
meanwhile, the pressure to extend Jackson grows.
DFA Patterson!!!
4/16
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
assuming we only have the players we actually have, this is what i would do
skip – RF
jay – CF
pujols- 1B
holliday – LF
freese – 3B
molina – C
descalso – SS
theriot – 2B
pitcher
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
the problem is that lineup still sucks.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Would be nice to acquire a power-hitting center fielder and shift Jay over to RF until Berkman gets back.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 29, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We've got a ton of right handed relievers...
maybe parlay those into a power hitting CFer.
DFA Patterson!!!
FUCK.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
berkman is injured is why this sucks. and so is craig. assuming you can play one of them,
then you can take out one of descalso, skip, or theriot. assuming you can play both of them, you can take out two of descalso/skip/theriot. everything will be fine in a couple of days.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In conclusion we should not have traded Colby
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
by mysterui on Jul 29, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
we shouldn't have traded him, regardless.
unless……..you were going to bring top-flight talent in return.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it really sucks that we can't rock a holliday/berkman/craig outfield.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Great news!
It may be a long shot and completely ridiculous, but there’s a chance we won’t have to deal with La Russa next year and in the process be able to laugh at another team who does.
"I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me." -Hunter S. Thompson
by cardinalswsbound on Jul 29, 2011 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
Super Joe!
Joe McEwing, the White Sox’s 38-year-old Triple-A manager, is considered a top managerial prospect. He started his career playing for La Russa in 1998 and ‘99, and La Russa remains a huge supporter. He probably will be a big-league coach next year, most likely La Russa’s bench coach. In Chicago.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
This is a pretty laughable article
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I just looked at our real lineup tonight...
The Cardinals are sincerely trying to win the division, and yet they use Corey Patterson as a lead off hitter.
Corey Patterson, the guy that never walks and has a sub .300 career OBP.
Can anyone direct me to Colby's regressed BA and OBP
based on batted ball profile? Or just do it for me? I know I’ve seen it somewhere
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 29, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's basically what his ZiPS projections are, I believe
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Cool
Didn’t somene also post a comment that broke down exactly what colby would do if he matched his profile perfectly? Like down to number of doubles, triples, walks, etc?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 29, 2011 6:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or you could use his wOBAr
which is adjusted by park and batted ball rates. It’s .340.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 29, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
there's a
blue jays game thread up with 0 comments atm. just saying.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jul 29, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
Who else thinks trading Lohse and putting Scrabble in the rotation is a good idea?
Could we get a shortstop for Lohse if we ate his salary?
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
none of this will happen so it doesn't matter
but if you’re going that route i’d rather us see put lohse on waivers, have someone claim him, and then they can pay his salary and we get nothing in return.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Scrabble probably isn't ready to start...
but we could probably cobble something together between him, Lynn, and KMac. If we picked up Lohse’s salary I’m sure many teams would be interested.
DFA Patterson!!!
that NTC might put an ugly dent in that idea
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Er
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be up for not picking up Carpenter next year unless he'll sign for $10m or so
and then going Waino/Garcia/Lohse/Scrabble/Westy with Miller to come. Re-sign Pujols and then we’ve got a lot of money to spend on a SS or a 2B. I could even see trying to pull a trade for Hanley (if there’s any real chance he can stick there).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 30, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
twitter is a shitty medium for this, rui
you use a proxy, right? forget to turn it off? were you messing with the hosts file trying to block ads?
if it’s a flash issue, you should be able to confirm. youtube videos would’t play, etc.
Nope, no proxy. KC's not in the blackout area
Nothing to do with host files, though turning off ad-blocker isn’t a terrible idea
Youtube works fine
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
No
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
AFAIK
it’s cause it’s a different MLB market.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
but joe torre is the one that signs the paperwork
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
It just stays at this screen forever
And my computer is getting too hot for what should be a simple function
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
then i dunno
you may try and reinstall flash, but if it’s doing the same thing in chrome, it’s not likely a flash issue
actually
right click on it, go to flash settings and disable hardware acceleration
that’s my best guess
Box score and all of those functions work
The highlights will play
I just can’t get the live video
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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disable/reinstall nexdef?
i’d still give disabling hardware acceleration a shot if you’re having heat issues, though
Reinstalled nexdef and now it doesn't even get to this point
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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did you try it when it wasn't installed at all?
that tells me that it’s got something to do with that pugin
have you upgraded to lion yet? it took them like a year to make the plugin compatible with win7
No, not yet
But I did install the latest update to Snow Leopard, and I think that’s about when it stopped working for me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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milb.tv works
What the fuck
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Just uninstall nexdef completely
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Well by reinstalled I actually meant installed
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Have you tried kicking it?
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
...
@JoeStrauss
Joe Strauss
Hearing SS now Cards priority. Hearing more likely than not Mo’ pulls off another deal before deadline. Rumored move IMO a difference-maker.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
please let it be true.
just please don’t trade shelby.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
deploy the unicorns
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
this is actually good news
isn’t it?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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shelby for furcal? hell yeah.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
furcal is not a difference maker
they are not trading shelby unless they are getting jose reyes
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i'm certain your definition of difference maker differs from straussicorns
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps
i was about to say “he may be an asshole, but he’s not an idiot.” but then i remembered the irony debacle.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
have you not seen Theriot play?
Furcal could be a difference maker compared to him. My 4 mo old son could be difference maker compared to theriot.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't see Strauss describing Furcal as a difference maker
sounds like Reyes
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
rosenthal for miles?
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no more theri-blows
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Nice, except needs one change
@JoeStrauss
Joe Strauss
Hearing SS now Cards priority. Hearing more likely than not Mo’ pulls off another deal before deadline.
There, now it’s just reporting instead of Strauss’ usual bullshit conjecture.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Let's be real
It’s probably Jason Bartlett or some shit like that.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Maaaaaan. I just ate.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently he's not available.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
is that bad? i think that would be a good deal for us.
not a difference-making deal, but a good deal.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
I'd rather flip them Dotel.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
so would i. but i doubt anyone else wants him.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Dotel+Kozma then.
and they can have theriot back.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
no way they'd take him
dodgers are looking for cheap, controlled players.
by hr on Jul 29, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Like IHB said below.
He ain’t worth Boggs right now.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 29, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO not as bad as colby for a motorbike and two rental cars
But I’d rather have boggs + t. greene over furcal for one year.
by hr on Jul 29, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be okay with that trade
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
i could deal with this.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hfs i just looked at his numbers
he is AWFUL.
his wOBA is .236. his SLG is lower than his OBP, which is only .267. this guy isn’t worth boggs. it has to be barmes. HAS TO BE.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
4.2 fWAR last year
wtf happened to this guy
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
barmes has much prettier numbers
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
and isn't available.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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tweeter said so.
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda like that time we said we weren't going to trade rasmus?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Combination of shitty performance and getting unlucky
He’s a great bouncback candidate, but probably not much better than Greene going forward.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
147 PA
he’s been hurt. He’s getting old, but he’s a decent bet to improve back towards his career #s. ZIPS ROS has him at .309 wOBA, which is still better than Theriot, and he’s a much better fielder.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I'm scared
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
strauss is circling and that is bad bad bad
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What would you trade for Marco Scutaro and salary relief?
2011:$5M
2012:$6M club option/$3M player option ($1.5M buyout)
.258/.332/.364 this year. UZR tends to think he’s a few runs below average at SS.
Big enough upgrade over Theriot to be worth trading for?
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
doesn't seem like anything descalso can't do
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
word
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Good point
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I guess a better question is what would you trade for Marco Scutaro without salary relief
Not sure why I included that.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I'd rather Philly lose
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
Philly’s going to the playoffs anyway, and with COREY FUCKING PATTERSON leading off for us, we need every bit of help to the magic number we can get….
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
yeah, but fuck Philly
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
they look pretty imposing
Philly over SF in 6 in the NLCS. Total time of all 6 games < 15 hrs.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I like Jon Jay.
I used to not mind seeing him in the lineup every so often. But now, I get this feeling of dread when I see the lineup and see Jay in CF, and I think, “that’s the best we can put out there. Every day, no matter how bad it gets.” And then I see Corey Patterson and I feel like I have to vomit.
"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
He's like the girl you had something on the side with...
but then you’re GF who’s a model catches you and you can’t stand the sight of her anymore. I get it…
DFA Patterson!!!
Okay, I've been to the game thread from yesterday
and he really did not have Lohse PH in the bottom of the ninth inning, while down two runs. That did not happen, right?
Berkman was the only bench guy left.
If Pujols or Holliday had reached, Berkman was going to hit.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
we had three injuries
and the only guy on the bench was Berkman, who was only 2 days away from a shot.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Tony didn't plan for having three (3) players injured in the same game
Berkman, who wasn’t supposed to be available, was the only guy left. Pujols & Holliday made the first two outs. If either of them had reached I’m pretty sure Berkman would’ve batted. As pissed off with Tony as I am, I can’t really blame him for that.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
//////////thanks all
and I’m still blaming Tony, because a lefty hitting bench guy would have made more sense.
oh, and Freese was lifted for a PR at some point
seriously, if it had gone to extras we were completely hosed.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Freese should be DL'd if he can't run
this team is so fucking frustrating
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Oh yeah...
carnage all over the place last night.
What’s worse: Lohse as our last, best hope, or the mang swinging feebly against Melancon?
DFA Patterson!!!
That would be ridiculous
Why would they do something lik—
HEY GUYZ LOOK AT ME I’M A BATTER
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 29, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Apparently
Jason Bartlett was recently removed from tonight’s starting lineup.
):
You only did it so that you could wear terry underwear and feel the city air run past your body
oh for fuck's fucking sake
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
This better not happen
He’s not WORSE than Theriot, but he’s not really an upgrade
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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he's not a fucking difference-maker, that's for sure
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
which means we'd lose Shelby
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
is he a difference maker, even?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
strauss has been banging the drum since january
i’m going to be sick
Goodnight, Sweet Prince. Colby Rasmus ~ June 7, 2005 ~ July 27, 2011
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 29, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
...
.245/.309/.299
HE’S EVEN WORSE THAN THERIOT HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE OH GOD
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
If you're going to get someone that bad at hitting
You might as well trade for an all-glove guy like Brendan Ryan or something OH WAIT
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Please please no
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 29, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh god
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
this way to the
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Well, once again, we have heard from a self-proclaimed expert
"IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO HAVE A HAPPY CHILDHOOD"
by Colorado Cardinal on Aug 1, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
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