Reports: St. Louis Cardinals Trade of Colby Rasmus "Imminent"
by bgh on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM EDT
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PrintEarlier this morning, the White Sox and Blue Jays completed a trade that sends right-handed starter Edwin Jackson and utility man Mark Teahen to the Tortonto Blue Jays for starter Zach Stewart and reliever Jason Frasor. The rumor mill only churned faster as speculation mounted that there would be an additional move by the Blue Jays, who would flip Jackson to a contender. Speculation centered on the St. Louis Cardinals and Colby Rasmus.
Now MLB Trade Rumors has channeled the unicorn, posting that the Cardinals will trade Colby Rasmus, a twenty-four year old center fielder under club control until 2014, for Edwin Jackson, right-handed Octavio Dotel, and left-handed reliever Marc Rzepczinski.
*****UPDATE*****
Buster Olney has apparently corrected what may be an erroneous report by St. Louis Post-Dispatch report Joe Strauss. It seems that Strauss may not have had the whole story on the Rasmus trade. In what could be another example of national media types having the scoop on St. Louis Cardinal roster machinations, Olney tweets that the trade breaks down like this.
CARDINALS RECEIVE:
Edwin Jackson
Marc Rzepczinski (apprently also known as "Scrabble")
Octavio Dotel
Corey Patterson
BLUE JAYS RECEIVE:
Colby Rasmus
Trever Miller
Brian Tallet
P.J. Walters
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by tomsteele on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
CAN'T YOU SEE THIS IS A CRISIS
THERE ARE NO RULES
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by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Griebenschmaltz!
I'm going to have to insist that you cry, actually.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I have a Rasmus jersey from his rookie year hanging in my closet.
Now taking suggestions on what to do with it.
Keep it and wear it?
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wear it defiantly
That’s what I’d do.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Especially on the days after he does something heroic!
which he will…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Ive got a walmart nascar Tshirt with a couple holes in it
and old wife beater with some sweat stains
a boot I fished out of the mississippi river and cory patterson
wanna trade?
by jealousblues on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Use it to soak up his tears.
That’s what I’m using all three of mine for.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
by azruavatar on Jul 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they will sell them half price now too
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Paint it black
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
by Dttl89 on Jul 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wear to every Cardinals game ever forever and forever.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I don't know about you
but this explodes my testicles.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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by Paulspike on Jul 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh, you better believe that all of my testicles are MOST exploded.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I'll repost my pitch f/x on Scrabble here
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/anatomy-of-a-player-marc-rzepczynsk/
If anyone cares to read it. Again, if he is a starter this deal isn’t shit – just really bad and unneccesary.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
great piece...
Here’s to hoping he makes his “Mark” as a starting pitcher with the Cards!? eh? Eh!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
I personally hopes he makes a marc
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto Blue Jays General Manager Alex Anthopoulos: We’ll trade you Edwin Jackson, Octavio Dotel, and Marc Rzepczynski for Colby Rasmus.
Saint Louis Cardinals General Manager John Mozeliak: Ooh, that’s bad.
Anthopoulos: But it comes with a free frogurt!
Mozeliak: That’s good.
Anthopoulos The frogurt is cursed.
Mozeliak: That’s bad.
Anthopoulos But you get your choice of toppings.
Mozeliak: That’s good!
Anthopoulos The toppings contain potassium benzoate.
[Mozeliak looks puzzled]
Anthopoulos …That’s bad.
Mozelaik: Can I go now?
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
Mozeliak sounds like a Bluthe in that skit.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh he blue it alright.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"The toppings contain Corey Patterson."
“…”
“That’s really bad.”
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by mattybobo on Jul 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and now let's trade Jay for a bag of potatoes and a tractor
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
he could, but it would be a Belarus.
/a Belarus is a piece of shit Russian tractor.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
a couple days ago i was watching baseball tonight or something
they mentioned the trade deadline and my girlfriend said “so, are you going to get really pissed off when the cardinals trade one of their outfielders for some pitcher that you think sucks again this year?”
i knew this was going to happen ever since then.
by molina mo problems on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 16 recs
Livid
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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JeffPassan: A 24-year-old CF who OPS+’d 133 last year just got traded for a FA-pitcher-to-be, a decent RH reliever and a LOOGY. Am I missing something?
I believe we are missing a competent GM.
by 1brdon on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
I'm laughing at us
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Even The AssHat himself thinks this is a bad deal.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Even Jeff Passan can see how retarded this is
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
with reason
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Canadian dollars to American
Bad exchange rate.
Exactly
That’s why we had to give up too much to get the Canadians.
that really stings.
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Passan is missing...
That no one wanted to pay a high price for Rasmus. We were desperate to ship him; thus, result.
by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a sec
We were desperate to ship him
I think I find problem.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
seriously:
first time I’ve really felt this way:
DAMN YOU LARUSSA
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Brendan Ryan sends a telegram
TOLD YA BUDDY STOP SAME LATITUDES NOW WILL SEND RIBS YEAHHH!!!!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
Here is a link to my google+ profile.
by all4tookie on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
good response
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
"a twenty-four year old center fielder under club control until 2014"
Ok, that’s it. I gotta go by some Pepto. Colby’s Age 26-28 years on the cheap…in Toronto.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Rasmus peak HR season in Toronto
over/under 40
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This is honestly one of the stupidest trades of all time
I fucking hate Mozeliak.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
My worst nightmare.
I have been saying for years that Edwin Jackson is not a good pitcher and the addition of Corey Patterson was a personal fuck you from MO to us fans.
Well
Jackson IS a damn good pitcher
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Yes
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed about corey Patterson.
Not so much about Edwin.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there anyway we can back the fuck out of this?
by beer me on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Not official yet
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Yeah, I'm just waiting on official word
before I start shooting whiskey straight into my veins.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
no time travel, remember?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Rui, use your "connections"
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He has even less sway than I do with my team
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Don't you know Girsch?
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No? I know Sig, but he doesn't make major league decisions
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Oh, yeah, Girsch is pretty high up
But I haven’t talked to him in 2 years.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
came out of VEB retirement for this
even with the rolling fuck-outs that st. louis is soon to be experiencing, my reaction is quite simply this:
fuck the heck
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
FUCK THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THIS ORGANIZATION
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This
But angrier, much, much, angrier
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, it's the avatar of the little man waving a red flag!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, nope.
got teased about that (and the man licking a tiny chef) a bit. it still looks like a cardinal to me, but i see the flag-waver as well.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
FLASH FORWARD TO END OF THE YEAR
“Man, imagine how much better this team would have been if we’d just kept Rasmus and Boog.”
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
don't make me cry
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I can't find the cheek-touch so here goes
I held it in for too long so you’re all getting it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 27, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sigh.
Really love that top pic.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. The second is humorous
thanks to Boog’s hyperactivity next to Colby’s stone-face lack of response
Still not a werewolf.
that was when Colby had an amazzziiinnnng defensive play.
so it’s like all the emotion of that play was in Boog and Colby’s just like, ok, you can demonstrate what I’m feelin’ inside little buddy.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
so um
this still isn’t official yet. Right?
I mean, MLBTR and Twitter and Joe Strauss, great, whatever. But it’s not official as far as I can tell. Three-party negotiations are more likely to break down…..
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
from what i'm reading,
the toronto-chicago trade is official, which makes it more likely that the toronto-st. louis trade will be done. it isn’t official yet, you’re right, but i feel like it’s only a matter of time.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
goold was in there too
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
well i hope Raz tears it up in TOR like no other
maybe Mo’s mind will blow and we can get someone competent who’l show TLR the door
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
by d-dee on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
one of my baseball buddies at work is on the trade colby bandwagon
I’m going to ask him what he thinks of the trade. pretty sure he won’t be thrilled with it either.
you reap what ya sow, fellas. you wanted him gone, and now we have a bunch of spare parts we don’t really need.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Anyone who was dumb enough to want to trade Colby away just in general
Is probably dumb enough to think that this is a good return.
No offense to your buddy or whatever.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck his buddy
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Buddy fuck his buddy..
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
uhh, no thanks
he was pretty upset at the boog trade, and he isn’t a big tony admirer either. just reads too much p-d. he’ll see the light, and quickly.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
i'm not your buddy, guy
Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.
someone explain to Mo he should sell high not drive the price into the ground and then get coal instead of gold
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
god help john jay if
he doesnt keep hitting 300.
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Tyler Greene can play CF, right?
Look on the bright side… we can look forward to a Holliday, Pham, Taveras OF someday.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Is it wrong of me to want the Cardinals to fail because of this move?
yes. But it sure feels right at this point.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I would rather us do ok
But Rasmus turn into Edmonds with Toronto.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather the Cards win the World Series and admit I was wrong.
I mean, I don’t think that is going to happen, but I’d prefer that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants are getting Beltran.
I wouldnt count on number 11 just yet.
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hrmmm
@DKnobler DKnobler
The Toronto-St. Louis deal is still not official because of money involved. May need to be reworked before approved. #tradedeadline
reworked?
that would be really nice.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
If "money" and not quality of player return is the problem then i'm still worried
FREE TYLER GREENE!
not a problem
just needs to be signed off on by mlb
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
LOY?
other than RR, of course
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
I'm giving you a rec
It’s a tough assignment for your first post.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
WTF??
The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson.
olney RT
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COREY FUCKING PATTERSON?!?!?!?!?!?!
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
exactly...
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Only Explanation
Somebody changed the clock on Mo’s desktop. He still thinks Dotel and Corey Patterson are good.
yeah TLRs going to love him.
apparently he loves shitty ex-Cubs.
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Corey Patterson is my second least favorite player
to Ryan Theriot.
How is it possible that they both end up on the Cards this year? How is that fucking possible?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How can Tony LaRussa and Mozeliak watch Corey Patterson play baseball...
right in their own division and then later choose to acquire him for their team. How could they do that?
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
by guayzimi on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
recycled cubs
always a bad idea
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I'm calling BS
can’t trade Tallet while he is DL’ed, right?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
im not joking.
maybe he got hacked.
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Oh my lord
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fuck everyone.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
patterson being thrown in there is a sick joke
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What?! Corey Fucking Patterson?
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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by Paulspike on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I thought we were done with that type of bullshit
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oh no...
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
this is great. now we have to put up with 2 months of corey patterson.
if TLR thought that Raz had a pull happy approach. WTF will he think of patterson?
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I hate Patterson...
like hate – hate…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
13 SB, 8 CS
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
At this point people are just tweeting B.S.
because they feel they need to tweet something. Ah, twitter.
olney does his homework
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This is a joke, right?
Olney reported the Pujols for Howard bullsiht that both teams then completely denied.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
No, Olney reported that people in the Phillies were talking about it
Not exactly the same thing.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Didn't John Mozeliak recently deny trying to trade a certain center fielder?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I hope they at least have the courtesy to get Ludwick back
Isn’t this the same deal as last year only much worse?
Does this mean Berkman’s injury won’t require a DL stint?
by olddomination on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Did the Blue Jays call no trade backs?
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This trade has gotten me to the point of actively despising TLR
If he clashes so badly with young players that they have to ship out a young, very talented, cost controlled CF for scraps, what the hell is he doing being a major league manager?!
Mozeliak gets a ton of the blame, also.
This is a disgrace.
He doesn't clash with all young players
He just clashes with Rasmus, apparently, or else they wouldn’t be thinking of replacing him with Jay
that Albert guy worked out okay....
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Jay's 26- not really a "young player"
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
Hey that's our starting centerfielder you're tlaking about
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
and boog
and mather it seems
at a minimum
but also rolen, so he just an asshat period
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
no, Mather ran out of wrist. he had no wrist. poor Joey Bones.
he also ran out of options. it was more hard luck than anything, that last half-season was more than we could’ve expected from Joey Bombs.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
CANNOT
SEE COMPUTER
TOO ANGRY
VISION RED
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
ALL ABOARD THE INSANITY WAGON
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Jul 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Oooo!! Where are we going?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
I think we're riding Fritz's rollercoaster to hell.
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by spants on Jul 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
TO NOT OFFICIAL BUT PROBABLY TRUE ANYWAY TRADE TOWN
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
So anyone anxiously waiting for the Tony Rasmus comments?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
Tony Rasmus is Jon Mozeliak
Finkle is Einhorn!!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
What a fucking awful decision
If true
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90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'm just sitting here rubbing my eyes
Just rubbing them. Just…what do I do with this information.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
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2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
vomit may be a good start
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
what information?
nothing is official yet and everybody keeps posting in ALL CAPS about every single rumor blurted out on Twitter every five minutes.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Deal imminent, says Goold
He doesn’t post useless crap like Strauss or Olney.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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it only hands on selig to sign off on money
everything else seems to be agreed upon
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
first IHB got ruined,
now you too?!?
Oh God! Y2S! Behind You!
Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.
by BVHeck on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know I am in the small minority here...
but good riddance on Rasmus. Yes cards should have gotten more, WAY more.
Still, I am glad Colby is gone.
Hi Regular, Everyday, Cardinals Fan!!!!
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for helping!
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You're welcome
I just don’t understand the WORST TRADE EVER response from everyone on here.
I have read in detail the virtues of Colby as a ball player. Yes, he is quite talented. However, the cardinals were paying him and asked him to listen to (or be open to at least) coaching from the people they pay to coach. From what I could tell he seemed to want to go his own way and that is not something that an organization should let its young players do. Tony Rasmus needs to stop being a “helicopter” parent and let actual pros and instructors do their job. Colby could also man up and do what his boss wants.
We definitely did not get back “nothing”. There is very limited pitching available and we got a lot of that (yes short term I know) back. I wish they had done better but I feel better about this year’s team today than I did yesterday.
I think you hit the wrong link, you are looking for the PD boards.
You know, where everything is a knee jerk reaction and everyone worships Tony LaRussa. You know, you probably go there all the time so I dont know why I’m describing it.
A lion does not concern himself with the opinion's of the sheep. - Tywin Lannister
I'm glad you're glad we lost a good and potentially great player
in exchange for nothing that comes close to replacing his value, and probably actively makes us worse.
Yay for Corey Patterson in CF.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh good
So you’re one of those fans who likes it when a team trades away a cheap, cost-controlled, potentially-excellent, currently good player for a rental pitcher and a pu-pu platter. Now we know.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that makes A LOT of sense
Trading away one piece of the future of the team for two POS and Edwin Jackson, yeah thats the way to build a winning team. I wanted to have faith on MO, but it’s all ruined now. I am officially on the fire Jon Mozeliak bandwagon.
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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For what it's worth, I could understand someone liking this trade
but I definitely disagree. If someone really thought that Rasmus just wasn’t going to be worth the headaches any more, or that Jackson will truly be a game changer, or something like that, I could understand the point of view.
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I'm hoping for addition by subtraction for all 4 former Cardinals involved.
I think that it will be unfairly looked at down the line because my guess is that Colby will play better in Toronto than he ever could have here given the circumstances.
Corey Patterson this year:
.252/.287/.379
13 SB
8 CS
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Have fun with his awful baserunning...
Don’t worry, I’m a Jays fan…but I don’t even know how I feel about this.
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys won soundly.
What we got for Rasmus is criminal. He will be an extremely valuable player, and cost controlled for a few years.
If you're a Jays fan
You better fucking be happy.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Enjoy Colby's smashing
when his BABIP regresses to the mean
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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I can’t type very well while I’m dancing.
(congrats)
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by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How did this fucking trade get WORSE??!
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by mysterui on Jul 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wouldnt want Patterson, but how did it get worse?
We are getting rid of Miller, Tallet and Walters?
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We get Patterson
Who is so shitty, that it’s just worse.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This team is fucked
as long as weak-ass Mozeliak is in the GMs office and LaRussa is in the dugout, the latter destroying bright prospects who fail to fit his definition of gritty.
Fuck those two. Fuck ‘em but fucking good. We cannot afford Duncan teaching Miller and Martinez to throw moar sinkers, and LaRussa destroying the confidence of this organization’s brightest prospects.
This is a fucking trade made only because Mozeliak can’t get his fucking face away from Twitter and his fucking ears away from the stupidity of sports talk radio.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So We're sending a shitload to Toronto evidently
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
well now Miller is going to the Sox
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a lot of FUUUU
and then a lot of addition by subtraction
Running list of Molina Pick-Offs
I will flag Gordon, Burwell, and Strauss by default, on principle.
So as of right now, I have a mostly full bottle of Jim Beam, 4 bottles of Guinness, and 3 bottles of Blue Moon.
And a paper to work on. Really conflicted
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
well at least Simmons likes the trade
Liked the Cards trade. I’m a big fan of Rzepczynski + 2011 Ed Jackson has been sneaky-good. Was hoping Boston would get 1 of them.
RT
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Oh neat
Glad he chipped in.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
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2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Awesome!
His knowledge of the NL is extensive. I’m sure he knows all about Rasmus.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
well he didnt know about Martinez almost being in Boston until like a week ago
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I like simmons as much as anyone
But seriously, how much value can you put into the opinions of someone who ONLY knows about the AL East?
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
by cschepers on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't stand Simmons
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Source: Trever Miller is expected to be traded to the White Sox, from Toronto.
2 minutes ago
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Isn't that deal already done?
Are the Jays getting something in addition for Trever Miller?
I've changed my mind.
Corey Patterson? AND we’re sending more players than Rasmus?
Fuck you, Mo.
This is bizarre.
you spelled stupid wrong
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Well, I'm glad we're sending all those other guys.
All those other guys SUCK.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
so what are Toronto fans saying
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Tallet, Miller, and Walters add up to nothing at all
the three of those guys collectively aren’t worth the proverbial bag of balls.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
i'm sure miller and tallet were included
to relieve the cards of salary obligations -- ie, to offset the extra salary they’re taking on in dotel / jackson.
seems like a way to clear space on the 40 man to me
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. There are nothing but positives all around
in jettisoning Miller, Walters, and Tallet.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
they said the Cards-Jays part of the deal was getting held up by $$ considerations, they must have been figuring this part of the deal out still.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Unavailable for comment
Too busy dancing in the streets and crying tears of joy, I’d imagine.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Canadians don't have tears
Or streets.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They do now
We just traded them all of St. Louis’ tears and streets for John McDonald!
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
That's cool, he's kind of like Boog
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but now you won't be able to express sadness or drive anywhere until at least the end of 2014
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I'm attending the game Sunday night vs. the cubs
Shirt ideas?
I want to get the message across but I don’t want to get kicked out, which they reserve the right to do
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
"No mo Mo"
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Wear a shirt with
Colby’s BABIP.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"My GM traded Colby Rasmus and all I got was a collection of crummy veterans and a LOOGY."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
WHAT???
This is the most insane trade I’ve ever heard of… This is like an NBA trade where you have to trade 8 guys that suck for some salary cap reason no one understands.
What the hell does anyone want with Miller, Tallet, Walters or Patterson??
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Honestly, how stupid is John Mozeliak
Like what would it be like talking to him?
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Remember "Good Morning, Vietnam"
when Robin Wlliams pretending to be an Army intel officer who speaks very slowly and says things like “we’re trying to find the enemy, but we’re having a problem doing so … we go up to them and ask if their name is Charlie, and if they say yes, we shoot them.”
That’s Mozeliak.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it's hard to find a Vietnamese person named Charlie....
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Im torn on how much to blame him
its pretty clear at this point he was getting massive pressure from TLR, and possibly Colby himself, to get rid of him.
Tony needs to go. I am so incredibly sick of his bullshit.
Who gives a F...
what kind of pressure he was getting…he is supposed to be the BOSS!
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
by cardzfanbub on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i just want to know who's giving money to whom in this deal
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Judging by what happened to Mo in this exchange...
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
they must have beat him up
right? right? RIGHT?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
D-Dee, i submit this as the canvas...
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anthopoulos is clever
i bet we’re paying him for dotel and patterson.
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do not mess with yadi f. molina
not in toronto.
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by SleepyCA on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This will assuredly
go down in history as one of the worst trades for the Cardinals in the last few decades.
Dallas Clark: Some tight ends catch. Some block. Clark just owns.
by Sir Sci on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I used to think Dan Haren for Mark Mulder was the worst ever.
Congratulations, Mozeliak. You topped Jocketty with this one, you dumbass.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This is Brock for Broglio.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
except we came out on the better end of that
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And now we'll know how it felt to be on the Cubs end of that deal.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
you just had to say it
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
/cromits
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
by cschepers on Jul 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
pretty much, this
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo will have a few dandies up his sleeve. Surely, he can get 9 of the top 10 worst trades of the last 20 years
Ryan for Cleto
Theriot for Hawksworth
Perez and Todd for DeRosa rental
Now this.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony LaRussa and Mo both need to be fired
But it will never happen. The two are absolutely submarining the entire organization.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i can't understand this
maybe Mo want to challenge Hendry for worst Central GM?
Sam Fuld is the more accomplished Major League Hitter- Gordon Wittenmeyer
Is there anyplace i can send a message to Mo that he would actually read it?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd be too tempted to soak them with liquid heat
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I was unhappy with the idea of trading Rasmus, but could understand it.
BUT FOR THIS FUCKING PACKAGE?!?!?!?!!?
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by mysterui on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
exactly
this hurts.
I’m going to be a real jerk when coworkers and friends think this is a decent or even good deal.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah bridges will be burned due to this
Oh, so many bridges
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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No way we pick that up
with the upcoming salary bumps
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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Remember
Mozeliak extended Franklin for two years after a halfway decent first half in 2009.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no way in hell that gets picked up
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How big is that buyout?
It just gets better and better
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe thats the delay.
We are going to DFA him and we want the Jays to pick up the tab.
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This is sort of like a videogame trade...
Where potential doesn’t matter. Part-time outfielder hitting .250 gets traded for #3 starter, LHP reliever, and decent RHP reliever. Game rejects trade. Both sides add unnecessary players. Game approves trade.
On that subject
Last night I felt nothing could go wrong because in MLB 11 I traded one of the Cards C pitching prospects to the Giants for Brett Lawrie, yeah, that Brett Lawrie. But I forgot the power that fucktots have when trying to make adequate trades.
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by cardinalswsbound on Jul 27, 2011 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Colby can evolve
into Grady Sizemore without LaRussa’s stupid fucking glowering attitude.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't want that.
Too much pain.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Why can't we get the same benefit?
The guy has turned into Caligula.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch us turn Dotel into our closer
Just watch.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
not. funny.
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Met fan here
Based on this trade, just wondering if you guys would give up Jaime, Pujols and Jay for Beltran and Pelfrey?
Seriously, your GM is an idiot. There had to have been better offers out there if he waited a bit on this. I’m pissed Mets couldn’t top this offer, I like Rasmus a lot and think this is just a fluky down year for him.
by David G on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 18 recs
throw in a bag of sunflower seeds and we'll give you shelby miller too
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by d-dee on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
keep that idea to yourself
the dumbass just might try it
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Classy, Met fan. Bitter about 06 much?
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Of course a little, but just really hoped we'd somehow get Rasmus
24 and under team control through 2014 and plays CF and we need that.
that wasn't a troll post
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you misinterpreted his post..
came across genuine and sympathetic to me
Here is a link to my google+ profile.
apologies then
Seriously, your GM is an idiot.
We kind of already knew that.
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At least you didn't sign Ollie Perez for 3 yrs. at $36 mil
and Luis Castillo at 4 and $24 mil and Bay at Lord knows what.
Keep in mind AA traded Stewart as well...
the problem is we didn’t get Stewart.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
that's a different question than "what would Mo pay"
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by all4tookie on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Miller and Martinez.
And Adron Chambers.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
and half the farm
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
I can't wait until TLR makes us trade Shelby Miller for a 1.5 WAR MIF
Oh wait, Skip has the job in perpetuity, regardless of incompetence. Sigh
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
Surely there's more to come...
This can’t be the whole picture, folks.
Seriously. Mo must have something coming in the wings or else…
well, then he really does need to be fired.
I've been lobbying a trade for Fredbird for years...
hate that guy…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
if he puts me under his shirt one more time!!
#$#$#!!!!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
weren't people saying that last year and we ended up with feliz?
he should quit while he’s “ahead” this year.
by molina mo problems on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear your update is sarcastic
But I really want it to be true
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Never mind I missed that Colby was still in your update
Why the fuck is my phone going so slowly today?!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
colby, trever miller, walters, tallet
for dotel, jackson, corey patterson and scrabble
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
trade colby.
twitter
career .237/.350/.411
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
He’s been turning every lefty he faces into 2011 “Surprisingly Awesome Hitting” Jason Giambi.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
EVIDENT THE WASH
quite honestly though, i don’t understand this trade at all.
jays: hey, we hear rasmus is available.
cards: yup. we don’t like his personality, and our manager is annoyed at him, so we’re trying to unload him.
jays: would you like one of these shiny prospects?
cards: nah, we’re in a win-now kind of phase, so we’d like…um…edwin jackson, octavio dotel, corey patterson…and scrabble-pants
jays: um…okay?
cards: oh, and would you like p.j. walters, trever miller, and tallet as well?
jays: um, no, not really
background whispering
actually, yeah, we’ll do that. we get rasmus too, right? this isn’t some kind of prank?
cards: nope! alright, we’re very happy with this deal! pleasure doing business with you
end call
jays: what the hell?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 24 recs
you forgot that the Jays have to pay for the moving expenses of Geiger
then it’s even steven
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
by d-dee on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wonder how she'll like Canada.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
We're trading a talented young outfielder for that?
Was Ernie Broglio not available?
by tarakas on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Words cannot express how awful this is.
I really want to say I am done with this team until LaRussa goes.
by YearOfGlad on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Tony LaRussa Cardinals
I’m sure if TLR had his way, Saint Louis would be named after one of his fucking cats
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
so um... if Pujols doesn't resign... then what?
surely they must al least theoretically consider that when they short sale one of our bats for.. nothing really
this is absolutely criminal
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
This is the very definition of throwing good money after bad
F*ck with Perez and trade him for 30 cents on the dollar
F*ck with Ryan and trade him for 30 cents on the dollar.
F*ck with Ludwick and trade him for 30 cents on the dollar.
Then, to chase those mistakes, we trade another quality RRHP for a trash SS and now an elite young talent at an incredibly important position for the RRHP that we got rid of and another SP because the one we traded for and extended last year is garbage.
These guys need to be fired and now.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
Don't forget
TLR did the same shit with Ray Lankford. He manages his players through the fucking newspaper. He’s awful.
by Archaeopteryx on Jul 27, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ozzie too.
LaRussa doesn’t understand having face to face conversations apparently. He’d rather snipe through some asshole like Strauss.
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
https://plus.google.com/u/0/111459762327473828979/posts
by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 28, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
They’re the only team in the NL Central consistently near the top in the last 15 years.
They’re the 2nd highest win % in baseball in the last 15 years.
They have the 2nd most postseason victories in the past 15 years.
Other than that – fire them now.
It used to be
I would look forward to the trade deadline to see who we would pick up.
by paposse on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Marc Rzepczynski
- most similar player at age 24 per Baseball Reference…
Mike Maroth
dude.....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
oh hell no.
FREE TYLER GREENE!! update - .319/.415/.526
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club.
this is the worst thing i've read all day
it’s so terrible i laughed a little
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
why would you even type that
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
puke.
Congratulations, Mozeliak. You turd.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Subject line, brah
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Cool, that guy was awesome
Great catcher. Wait, did you say Maroth? Not Matheny?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
NO!
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
you can tell us how you feel
it’s a safe place
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
I'm not sure.
But I want TLR gone too. Too much infighting happens with him
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo better have a theriot for Hanley trade in the works
My god what is going in?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
"LOL"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
I tweeted at him
he’ll say something soon I imagine
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think TLR must think that sending these guys to Canada
is like sending them to Siberia
At the time of that trade,
I thought Mozeliak did very well. Remember that TLR boxed him in by announcing at a winter meetings press conference the, essentially, Rolen would not be back. Then, somehow, Mozeliak turned Rolen into another third baseman with an injury history. It was as good a gamble that Glaus would stay healthy as Rolen. Not a bad move. It just panned out badly due to Glaus getting injured during his second season in St. Louis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
we got one pretty good year out of Glaus, as it turned out
kind of like Mulder in that regard, actually….
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
At the time,
Rolen was diminished due to his shoulder injuries and had, I believe, three years left on his deal. We traded him for Glaus and picked up Glaus’s option, which meant we were getting two years of Glaus. In ’08, Glaus posted a 5.2-WAR season. In ’08, Rolen posted a 2.9-WAR season. After ’08, we looked like the winners of that trade. Then, Glaus had shoulder problems and returned a shell of his former self in ’09, while Rolen chugged along putting together a 4.4-WAR season between Toronto and Cincy.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What good trades has Mo made?
I’m trying to remember them.
The good news is, with trades like this, Mo will never have any trouble getting other general managers to return his phone calls.
yeah,
actually, which is my only solace in this trade because VEB got all pissed about that one too.
but this is terrible because we aren’t getting an awesome outfielder…and it’s even worse because we’re getting patterson.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I'd say there was no VEB consensus on the Holliday trade
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Mostly negative
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
alright, you're right.
there were elements of pissed-off-ness, but they were significant. i think, and this is just anecdotal, most people were really mad we’d trade wallace.
this is WAY different, i’ll admit. everyone is sad and confused and lonely.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I'd say it was negative because we gave up more than Wallace
I’m not motivated enough to look up who else we gave up
Shane Peterson and some other nobody
it was basically Wallace for Holliday, really.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Clayton Mortensen
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
that's right
Peterson was the nobody. Point being, we’re not going to look back and kick ourselves for trading Mortensen.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Wallace is the only one with the possibility to make that trade look bad
and he’s been passed around like hot potato since then. That was a solid trade.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Clearly, the Cardinals had a read on Wallace.
I’m not one to appeal to authority, but they traded him at his peak value. It seems to me that they had concerns about his MLB hitting ceiling.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
dude is a DH
doesn’t belong in the NL at all.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Doesn't belong there either if he doesn't start hitting MOAR DINGERS
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone was at least happy the Cards got Holliday
Not thrilled with the price tag that came with it though. Through two full seasons (b/c they got Lego about two years ago IIRC) it’s been good… hopefully I can say that after five.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wallace and change for Holliday
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I mean, I guess
We still had to outbid everyone else for Holliday when he was a FA. We trade Brett Wallace’s entire career for 2 months of Holliday. I’m still not convinced we should really be saying he won that trade.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
it's not just hindsight; Holliday was a good bet to resign
and he did. We won that trade, hands down.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Why was he a good bet to re-sign
The Red Sox apparently threw a lucrative five year deal at him and he held out for more. We gave it to him.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
At the time it was made, the Rolen-Glaus swap was a good trade as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Khalil as well
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
yes, i'd agree
in fact, i’d still call it a good deal. in add’n to getting Glaus, they shed Rolen’s $12m salary for 2010. if they’d still had that salary in place, then no Matt Holliday.
I thought Rolen had 3 years remaining at the time,
but couldn’t remember. A very good point.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ludwick for Westbrook wasn't bad
not great but Ludwick hasn’t been the same since he left and Westbrock is what was expected
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
maybe in terms of overall value, it wasn't so hot
but we badly needed another SP at the time, and we had Jay/Craig behind Ludwick, so it made plenty of sense.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
The Holliday trade was not a clear win
I don’t know how you can say that. At the time, it looked like a clear loss. The fact that he resigned changes that? It’s not like we got a discount at all.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I’m not sure why we’re calling the Holliday trade a win. The pie thing is just a meme, guys, it didn’t actually happen. We paid Holliday what the market dictated to keep him.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
we gave up players who had little/no future value in StL
for a guy with a ton of present-year value - and he led them to a division title. seems like a win to me.
Okay, I guess that's fair
Most people just talk about it like we traded Wallace for 7.5 years of Holliday. We traded him for two months of Holliday, that’s the reality.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I think we should give the organization...
credit for knowing what they had with Wallace.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
yeah
but hard to give the organization much credit right now
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cards would likely have made the playoffs without Matt Holliday.
Wallace was worth more than a Holliday rental, hence bad trade.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We couldn't have known the margin of victory before the Holliday trade
Current WAR > Future WAR
Lemon
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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But we could have known the expected increase in playoff odds
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/24/961426/matt-holliday-to-st-louis
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That is assuming the Cardinals valued Wallace the same way prospect evaluators valued Wallace
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Exactly.
I suspect they had a read on his bat and felt it didn’t project like other evaluators were saying.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it wasn't just the bat, it was the glove too
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Ok, knock of 10 million on Wallace's value
The Card’s still lose that according to Erik’s numbers.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You're assuming current WAR = future WAR
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
no
that’s taken care of with the playoff odds, and the long term risk of Wallace is taken care of with the prospect valuation to dollars analysis.
Not saying it’s perfect, but it’s not shoddy.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wallace could never have provided any WAR at all in StL
unless he played 1B. and it doesn’t seem like it would be a win for the organization to have Wallace at 1B.
...
He could have provided a higher return in a trade.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
than Matt Holliday?!
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Than a Matt Holliday rental
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
yeah, it sucks watching Holliday play for the Yankees now
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
The Yankees didn't give Matt Holliday a long, lucrative contract
We did. Stop pretending our trade came with a 7-year extension, it didn’t.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Trade didn't include it but it didn't hurt it
Holliday knew what he would be getting here, knew the players, the fans, the town, his family liked it here, etc. Stop pretending that familiarization doesn’t play into a players decisions.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
It plays a small part
Money plays a large part. By all accounts, we offered him more than other teams. Red Sox apparently offered a large 5-year deal early on that offseason and he decided to hold out for more. We gave it to him.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Would we have been the top without the trade?
did Mo and Tony’s comfort with him and him proving he wasn’t all Coors to them have anything to do with us even making that offer? I just feel that the trade had more to do with his extension than some people want to think.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
the guy's from Oklahoma....
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
So?
What does that have to do with it? He said something about having his family with him in StL so I doubt they are only in OK, am I missing something?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
hence why we are out
of pies?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
yes, Wallace might have brought back a higher return
but trading future value (especially future value that you have no way to exploit) for present-year value is a legitimate allocation of resources IMHO. i don’t see how that trade set the organization back. you’d have to convince me that it created holes they’ve been unable to fill.
At best you can say it was even
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, well i disagree
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You know how happy it makes me...
that you are actually able to disagree with lboros today? I mean it is like old times having him back and posting so much :) Even if ti is only occasionally.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
haha, i like this too.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
thanks gents
here’s what i wish -- i wish we were debating the merits of today’s trade, instead of the merits of a trade back in 2009. unfortunately there’s not much to debate about the trade today . . . . . . it is what it is.
totally agree
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
i'm glad you popped in
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I told my friend, a Red Sox fan, about this trade
His response was, “There has to be an explanation.”
That’s how bad this trade was. People are waiting to find out why Mo would do something so stupid, like there needs to be more data to even make this a reasonably rational decision.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
yeah, me too
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
hindsight is 20/20 or whatever
and i know i may be shredded for this, but holliday for wallace turned out well for the cardinals, therefore the cardinals won the trade.
i understand it’s a little more nuanced than that.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
how did it turn out well for the Cardinals?
If you wanna use the hindsight argument, Holliday was not the difference in us making the playoffs that year, and didn’t exactly help us in the playoffs. And him being on the Cardinals didn’t seem to induce a discount (remember we all thought 120 million was way too high).
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
this is an interesting one
because Wallace was traded two more times in 2 years, we have some idea of what his true market value was.
Anthony Gose or
Michael Taylor
I think Gose would have been a much better acquisition, Taylor probably not, just from looking at what they’ve done the last few years in the minors, but someone with time to look up (recent) scouting reports can probably give a better read.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
Sadly, it's true.
He’s so incompetent. I’m not even sure he knows how to dress himself in the morning.
'member when VEB was all super happy
because jocketty was gone
and mozeliak was this new guy
who we thought would be better?
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
On the one hand, more youth movement.
On the other, this is the wrong kind of youth movement.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
this...in a major way
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC Mo was the guy we got when our first choice fell through and stayed in Cleveland
by jealousblues on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, you recall correctly.
wonder how things would have turned out differently if we had lured antonetti away.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
He didn't want to be a puppet with two masters, I'm guessing.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
wiki says (with a citation needed addendum)
Prior to his acceptance, while Chairman of the Board of Directors Bill DeWitt was still doing interviews with other candidates, it appeared Cleveland Indians assistant GM Chris Antonetti was the favorite. However, he was apparently scared off by the strong relationship of Mozeliak and Jeff Luhnow from the front office, who contributed to Jocketty leaving. Antonetti also said Indians ownership made him want to stay.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
@MatthewHLeach: RT @cylerasmus: Well looks like TLR wins once again……
by swmrnbk on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is the crux of it
TLR wins. the bastard always wins . . . .
by lboros on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
.
cylerasmus: Fresh start for my brother, good for him! Unfair treatment was ridiculous! Now he can breathe and have fun playing again!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
so, do we get to do this to him too in a couple years?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
From John MO on the trade:
Well obviously Colby is a tremendous talent and we wish him all the luck, but we felt that Jon Jay ultimately proved more valuable and {*looks around*} you’ve got to help me! TLR made me do it, he said if I didn’t ship Rasmus out he’d torture me with videos of his cat and all his Ray Vinson commercials, please I haven’t slept in days, he keeps me locked up with only catnip and a water bottle, while he and Ray laugh and high-five handshake all day long… {*sees TLR*} and we felt Jay could step up and that Rasmus would bring back the remaining pieces to make the postseason this year.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
This is no time for laughs
(I laughed)
(fuck Mo)
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Mozeliak is a wimp even in satire.
I don’t give two shits if LaRussa was waterboarding you. You don’t give in to his bullshit and trade Rasmus, ya skirt-wearing nancy boy. And if he’s only torturing you with cat videos, Ray Vinson commercials, catnip and a water bottle, you spit in his face that you’ll never give in, you puss.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"He also did things to my fanny
I wasn’t aware that humans needed their anal glands squeezed, but he assured me that like dogs, they did….I feel so violated"
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
spectacular
and the only thing that makes any sense
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
My roommate works at Bleacher Report
He says their whole office is laughing about the Rasmus trade.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Bleacher Report has an office?
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't aggregate and steal other people's work that efficiently from a remote location.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
by azruavatar on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
laughing at the Cards or the Jays?
It’s BR, can’t tell
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Laughing at the Cards
And yes, my point is that even Bleacher Report can see this is lopsided.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Can't say we blame them.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This trade is not 100% final, right?
if it doesn’t happen in 24 hours, its off the table. please, someone poison selig.
by miamigirl54 on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Joe Torre is like special assistant to the commish or something
and he is probably the guys actually signing the paperwork not Selig
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
yeah, but we could still poison selig
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
please tell me there's a huge prospect or more than
adequate ss coming here without us giving anything else up and that Corey Patterson has retired from baseball
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and the Giants are about to land Beltran
so theres that for going all in this year.
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Sorry, Az.
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by Alxfritz on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
jladkjagl;jlegajwlgejlaksdjglkasdgjl;
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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This is like an absolute nightmare.
Not only did we trade Rasmus, we traded him for a terrible package. I’m devestated.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
by azruavatar on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Me too.
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Exactly
"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte
by GasHouseMang on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm still in denial
i refuse to believe that we did this to ourselves
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Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
last i checked VEB is not in TLR's & Mo's back pocket
but i am fully open to the idea we are stuck in their person version of hell where logic & reason go to die
Balls
The unfortunate side effect of this trade, if this is the real trade
is that I’m guessing VEB will be kind of unreadable the rest of the year. BCB-like arguing about the various ways everyone is incompetent.
Sigh.
I consider myself to be pretty level-headed in my baseball fandom
and I’m seeing nothing but blood red right now.
Same here. I mean, I'm methodically rational in pretty much everything I do
But I’m just livid at this trade
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Corey Patterson is going to get starts...
Octavio Dotel is going to get the 8th inning.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Oh, yeah.
Jon Jay just became the fourth outfielder.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
no way
that’s one thing that won’t happen
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I agree
It will be tough to talk about this team without referring to how incompetent this move was. With every mediocre start by Jackson, every boneheaded Patterson play, every blown hold by Scrabble (?)…
I just got through living through this with the second half of the Celtics season after their equally inexplicable trade of Kendrick Perkins.
The only way this doesn’t end in a fiery pile is if Jackson turns out to be a solid 2/3 in the NL, the bullpen guys are lights out, and Berkman isn’t out too long.
by olddomination on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jackson and Scrabble with both perform very well.
I still hate the trade.
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Yes, agreed.
Plus I won’t have to see PJ, Miller, or Tallet again. So that’s good.
I still hate the trade.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Be careful what you wish for.
Jackson becomes a solid 2/3 in the last two months, Mozeliak signs him to a four-year deal.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he's bipolar Betty 2.0
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
by Dttl89 on Jul 27, 2011 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe he has another trade worked out for Lohse or Westbrook
and he extends Jackson and slides Lynn into the 5 hole.
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No thank you.
Re-signing and extending veteran starters is a bad habit. Hopefully the combination of our farm system and the expiring deals of Lohse and Westbrook help us break that habit. Next season, we have: Wainwright, Garcia, Westbrook, and Lohse under contract. We might pick up Carp’s $15MM option. In 2013, we could have: Wainwright, Garcia, Lynn, Miller, and Martinez.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We have a shitload of starters now
With Scrabbles, hopefully (seriously, this needs to happen).
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
All the more reason not to re-sign Jackson.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Obviously
I don’t think we should resign Carp either.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it will be worse
next year we’ll have to trade away young starting pitching to fill our center field needs
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe Selig will take a look at that deal before signing off on it and say
“surely Mo you can’t be THAT stupid”
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
This is the man that declared a tie for the All Star Game
and then decided that “Now It Counts”
Still not a werewolf.
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Mo
Johnny got into the glue this morning and the end result was the sudden loss of little Colby.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
poop
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yep
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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She's so depressed she decided to sleep it off,
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Jul 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there sure will be no fires burning in center or wild animals in right
there will be poop in the middle infield
and an angry fish on the mound
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Well on the bright side you guys got..
A very good lefty specialist (Scrabble), a converted starter from reliever who could probably do well pitching in the NL (Stewart) and I don’t know to much about Jackson..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
We didn't get Stewart
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My bad..I'm still kinda confused about all this.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the proper response was "oh, heh"
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's understandable.
There have been a lot of moving pieces and different rumors.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Why was Scrabble a LOOGY this year?
He was a very good starting pitcher all up through the minors and in his first two years in the bigs. Did he get injured or just wasn’t good enough to make the rotation?
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No he was a starter...but he converted to LOOGY this year, and has done a great job.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know why they converted him to the bullpen?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I'm asking why he was converted to a LOOGY
I’m sure he’s great and all in that role, but the only way he has serious value is if he’s in the rotation.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That I'm not so sure about..with a little research or even asking on BBB you could probably find out quickly.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No room in the Jays rotation
The Jays wanted to see what they had in Jo-Jo Reyes (nothing it turned out). Romero, Cecil, Drabek and Litsch were the others while Morrow was on the DL. Morrow came back and Cecil went down. Rzepczynski was probably good enough to start but Reyes had no options, so Zep went to the pen.
He’s probably good enough to start but his command comes and goes so sometimes the best you’ll get is 5 innings from him.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
re: "Zep"
I’m gonna start calling him Zip Rzeppa now. (Non-STL natives are not going to get this reference.)
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I forget
he ended up getting into some sort of evangelical movement and he does something with that now. He’s not a sportscaster any more IIRC.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Actually he kind of became a "born again Catholic" if that makes sense
He does work with the St. Vincent de Paul society now.
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You guys also got Dotel, who can dominate against rightys...when hes in against leftys...you might want to cry.
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
posted his lefty splits a little up the page
lefties slugging .600 against him this year
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmm......yay????
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Because we don't already have Salas, and Boggs, and Lynn.
The last thing we needed was a righty reliever who can only pitch to right handed batters.
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey All
just stopping by to register my disbelief, AA is a bad bad man
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Corey patterson put up some of the worst numbers...
..in modern baseball history. It blows my mind that he is on ANYBODY’s roster, mooch less ours’ now. if we traded a bag of scuffed balls of Corey Effin’ Patterson we’d be getting ripped off!
:=8O
Griebenschmaltz!
he's horrible
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
And MooCow isn't really a stat guy
If he’s saying Corey Patterson’s numbers are horrifying, they probably are.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
All right, some numbers to make me breathe:
Dotel put up zeroes in 9 of his last 10 outings. Given up 2 runs in all of July.
Jackson has a 3.14 ERA since the beginning of May. In the AL. In a hitter-friendly park.
Rzepczynski is under contract for years. Given up 2 runs since June 21.
Looking like we got three guys who could potentially dominate August/September.
Who the fuck updated his wiki page already
Correy Patterson is an American professional baseball outfielder with the St. Louis Cardinals of Major League Baseball.
Gag.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Anthopolus probably.
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by rlgosnell on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
BBB advises not to use Dotel against lefties
but Edwin Jackson “had the least amount of runs given up by pitchers on the jays roster this year”
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Yeah...never EVER..EVER use Dotel against lefties.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
soooo, tomorrow night he'll face wallace and bourn in the 8th in a tie game?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Book it.
Done.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson/Scrabble/Dotel are useful...
…well, Dotel is sort of useful, but even if traded straight up for Razzy it is a rip-off. I won;t even mention…..NO I CAN’T EVEN SAY HIS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
Terrible, terrible trade!
Griebenschmaltz!
With Jackson going into the rotation
McClellan moves back to the bullpen, right? Not a horrible move, if Jackson is actually better at starting than McClellan…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
hes better. by a lot.
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And he can start as soon as Friday...
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think most people here
are also concerned about the months (and years) following this August and September
hey, Jack McKeon is managing at the age of 80
YOU THINK TONY LA RUSSA IS GONNA LET JACK MCKEON SHOW HIM UP?
I think it helped...
I’m encouraged…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
that will be my shirt on sunday night
As recommended: “My GM traded Colby Rasmus and all I got was a collection of crummy veterans and a LOOGY.”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
please do this.
instead of watching the game, you should make every effort to get yourself on TV, so all of Cardinal Nation can see it… hopefully DimWitt will be watching as well and will fire his ass!
the ONLY positive i can see right now is
we are not the ASTROS
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there's a reason we call them the lastros
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by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
heh lastros.
keep saying that and its only kind of funny.
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Shelby Miller's on the line
He’d like to punch your face. Should I transfer the call?
Still not a werewolf.
Just wait.
Strauss very soon will find his next target. That’s the thing about Strauss, he’s never content. He’ll always find the next “story.”
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i want to choke him
check how dumb he is
JoeStrauss Joe Strauss
Suck it. RT @shep: quality reporting like this deserves a Pulitzer. RT @JoeStrauss: Looking less likely Raz’ in tonight’s lineup.
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
by d-dee on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coming from the reporter who got the trade packages wrong...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah he's having a rough day
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
for a "professional" journalist...
strauss sure has a thin skin. he seems to spend a lot of time on twitter bickering with other people.
Report say Shelby Miller has perturbed Tony La Russa
TLR found out that Shelby talked to his uncle on the phone last week. Demands trade.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
we just cut off our nose to spite our face
the only reason this makes sense is because full grown men couldnt get along.
What a joke
more like we cut off our hands
to spite our hands
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I'm still not sure why Moz turned down the Rays' offer...
....my quick smells like french toast...
Twitter: @mstreeter06
Rays probably wouldn't take our trash out for us
and wouldn’t give us all the shitty pieces needed to plug the small leaks. Problem now is, that there’s a huge fucking hole on the starboard side and Moz, LaRussa, and the FO are too busy looking portside.
I like this trade
Sincerely, Steve Phillips
by Dave Barry on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
c/o Jim Bowden
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I propose a lynch mob
Who knows where Mozeliak lives?
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DeWitt needs to jump in and fire Mozeliak before the trade is completed.
A lion does not concern himself with the opinion's of the sheep. - Tywin Lannister
DeWitt should have intervened and prevented the trade from happening.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Haha I actually do. Sold the idiots wife a phone a couple years ago
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
For one million dollars.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Shelby Miller's rights.
He’s got him mowing the lawn right now as we speak.
by craig3410 on Jul 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Technically he has to be taken out of jail for it to be a lynch
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
How are we not getting even one prospect out of this!
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
uh, Corey Patterson has a lot of potential
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I'm glad we waited until this particular failed prospect turned 31 to acquire him
Gotta make sure he’s as sucky as everyone thought.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
To poop on
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i was just told by a colleague that he is "re-emerging"
i said, he never emerged in the first place! then i rattled off his stat line this season
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@MatthewHLeach: In short: I like EJax more than most. Rzep a v.nice pickup. 2011 team def. got better. Still hard to like deal due to 2012-14 ramifications.
I disagree that the 2011 team even got better
Rasmus over Jay is probably around the same as Jackson over KMac. Our bullpen is slightly improved, but our outfield depth is diminished. Meaning if (when) Berk/Holliday misses more time we have Skip Fucking Schumaker in the outfield.
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
we might see some more of Andrew Brown, too....
when does Craig finally come off the DL?
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
august 1 ish
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he's already on a rehab assignment in memphis
hitting .300/.300/.500 in 3 games
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well Skip...
or COREY PATTERSON
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If Jay's BABIP bubble bursts this is gonna turn ugly
And if Holliday/Berkman/Jay get hurt…. Oh… No…
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny MO
“MMhmm and I said ooh we give you all these guys and we want nothing in return…and the stupid son of a bitch agreed!” I can’t believe he let me be so stupid
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
go away
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
I would love nothing more than to punch that man right now
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This man needs to be given a wedgie
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not really venting if you censor
go on, say it. Fuck.
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
just being polite
my office got the full effect.
FUCK.
So fuck. Just realized Jay is our only CFer
Which means if we get Patterson, he will prob be on the team all season long. Couldnt we have just called up Chambers?
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
FUCK
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe he couldn't have had Rajai Davis instead
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Elephant in the room
Who trusts this incompetent to have a chance to re-sign Pujols against shrewd GMs?
Very good point.
Good bye, Albert, and thanks for all the fish.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll offer 10yrs, $300 million just to make sure we get him
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
RT @bradstraubinger: Just spoke to Colby. Happy for fresh start, when I asked about TLR, he said "I hope he's happy"
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Fuck you, LaRussa.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
aaaaaaaaaaaaargh, that hurts
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
yeah
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
there will be tears again today just like when fsnmw did the luddy interview
i can tell now
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
wow
that is rough
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
the only positive in this is I'm happy for Colby personally
but oh Lordy on everything else
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
MOTHEREFFERS NEED TO TWEET FIRST NAMES WHEN WE HAVE A PROSPECT NAMED MILLER
ABOUT GAVE ME A FUCKING HEART ATTACK!!
We tried to give them Shelpy
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd out of sadness
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
not even mysterui's mom can make this better...
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Unless she ties up Mozeliak
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
GARY BROWN AND TWO OTHER PLAYERS FOR BELTRAN??>P@QE)&w
don’t even tell me this was all we could get for Rasmus
by purple_haze on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Who's Gary Brown?
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty damn good OF prospect. 80 speed, I believe
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Ohgodohgodohgodohgodohgod...
ohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgodohgod….
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
Corey Fucking Patterson
Fuck
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Fuck Mozeliak. This doesn't make any sense.
Have some patience with young players you dumbshit. It’s pretty clear Mo has no idea how baseball works. Not every player is going to come up to the bigs and hit .285 with 25 HR his first 3 seasons. We got burned when we traded Chris Perez, and it looks like the front office didn’t learn from it.
You don't get into and through the playoffs in the NL
Trading a hitter for mediocre pitching. Hitting is a precious commodity in the NL. Mo is a moron.
by olddomination on Jul 27, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So
this is really hard to cope with and the STL P-D article isn’t making it much easier:
Mozeliak Wednesday morning declined a package that would have included Rays starter Jeff Niemann and lefthanded reliever J.P. Howell plus a prospect.
If they don’t make Marc Rzepczynski a starter again, I don’t see how we come close to even in this trade.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Leach is trying to confirm that
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In truth
Rasmus for BJ Upton is looking really good right now.
Other GMs must have caught on to how desperate Mo was to move Rasmus, and they moved in to rape him.
by olddomination on Jul 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Mo's entrance music in the WWE
“Rape Me”
by olddomination on Jul 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder how it would feel for mo when all his peers are laughing at him
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
plus a prospect? really? how is this possible?
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Hard to believe
But Mo is involved, so one could see him turning down an offer for a good pitcher in the AL East and a TB prospect to get a mediocre AL starter and some spare parts.
Since Mo was involved, I can’t imagine TB (and every other team) doesn’t initially try to pry Miller or Martinez off him with their initial offers.
by olddomination on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the trade we made is better
If we make Rzepcynski a starter. If not, then it’s far, far worse.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, Keith Law think he has terrible arm action
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This is what we have DD for
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
DD's not a mechanics guy
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And since when is Law?
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't give a shit
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well over on Bluebird Banter
the scouting report is that Repcyznki
Fastball in the high 80s low 90s. Excellent downward movement on his fastball.
Most of the time his control is okay, but once in a while he loses it and it gets ugly.
Very good slider, but again he sometimes has control issues.
Changeup… not so much.
i really thought he was going to be part of our starting 5. I think he’s fully capable of starting.
But again, he’s been very, very good coming out of the Pen.
i see no reason why he can’t go back to a starter, he lost moreso, because we have so many other guys.
And then he was so much better in the pen then starting, never thought to move him back.
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Sounds a little like Mitchell Boggs
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Boggs without the upper 90s FB, yeah
one positive is that La Duncan aren’t shy about shuffling guys back and forth between the BP and the rotation, so I guess it’s 50/50 whether they give him a shot at K-Mac’s rotation slot.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I just don't see room for him in next year's rotation.
Send him down to Memphis to try and start? I don’t see that happening realistically either since we have no LOOGys. We traded for a rental, two relievers and a terrible outfielder.
Disgusting.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Unless we don't pick up Carps option
Which could be dumb because Carp is amazing, but he’s also expensive and Rzep could be pretty good.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Pithy and correct.
We traded for a rental, two relievers and a terrible outfielder.
Disgusting.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
the Patterson part of this is hard to believe
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
i bet it was a throw in
i mean the jays fans are probably like, tallet? wtf?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Calling Corey Effin' Patterson a terrible outfielder...
…is an insult to terrible outfielders. His massive, magnetic field-shifting suckitude knows no bounds…
:=8P
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
Nah, he's been good in the rotation when given the chance
Sub 4 xFIP in the AL East in 120 innings in 2009-2010.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope that's not true.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY?!?!?!?!
i demand to know the reasoning. this makes no fucking sense at all.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Is there anywhere I could let Mo know what I think?
Can we send him a letter as VEB?
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
Like I said, I know his address.
I think VEB should create a collective letter of frusteration with what he has done and I will mail it to him.
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We could all contribute
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't post it.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
no
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
what's the big deal with this scene?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And most likely, a fireable offense at his office.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
I absolutely will not have VEB associated with posting front office members home addresses.
That is a disgusting violation of personal privacy and space. I’ll ban anyone that does it instantly.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
by azruavatar on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 17 recs
thanks, az
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
hey, larry
just wanted to thank you for sticking around while we go through full-meltdown mode. =)
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
i'm melting down too
i hate the trade. i hope the next 2 months are lots of fun, because they’ve created some difficult problems for themselves in 2012 and beyond.
My hope:
the next three months are lots of fun.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
BECAUSE IF IT ISN'T
WE’RE GONNA…um…be pretty sad about the whole Colby thing.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Oh, absolutely.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Thanks for being level-headed
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
someone give this one more rec so everyone reads it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
no, seriously.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
the state VEB is in right now?
oh, only harassment, death threats, other assorted misdemeanors.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
your belligerent churlishness
is mildly annoying.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Jul 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell no
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
that sounds like a great idea
if by “great idea” you mean “fucking creepy”
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
by nota bene on Jul 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
they often go together
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
do it
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No posting
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You didn't...
he went to ChiSox when we acquired Teahen and Jackson.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost never login but I had to do it just to say
FUCK THIS.
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by MattK on Jul 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOY!
Unfortunately, you’ve been included in the trade to the Blue Jays for a poster who doesn’t even ready their SB Nation blog.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I can't remember
but are you allowed to nominate for LOY? I thought it was RiverRat or someone else? I appreciate the nomination regardless.
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Don't worry about it, I'm a pretty big deal around here
I’ve got about half as many recs as mattybobo and started the “DO A THING” meme, I think I’m qualified.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck you Jon Mozeliak!
Now aside from the Holliday trade, Mozeliak’s trades include Khalil Greene for Luke Gregerson, Brendan Ryan for Mikel Cleto, a 24 year old in single A with no command, Chris Perez for a rental of DeRosa, Ludwick for Westbrook whatever the fuck he dumped, it doesn’t matter, he actually traded FOR Ryan Theroit and even worse Pedro Feliz, and now when we just had Berkamn get hurt, Colby is starting to heat back up and we’re trying to resign Pujols to a 7 trillion dollar contract we’re dumping a cost controlled 24 year old center fielder who had a 133 OPS+ last year and was worth 4.0 WAR as a 23 year old, at the tail end of huge 2 month slump is still on track for a 2+ WAR year even if he didn’t get he BA and OBP back up, and he won’t end the year hitting .240, who has immense upside both at the plate and on the field for less than 1/2 of a season of Edwin fucking Jackson! When combined with the fact that his only good signings were Berkman who apparently fell in our laps when nobody else wanted him and Holliday being resigned when no one else gave him half of the years that we did and his other signings include resigning Lohse to a $40 million contract, resigning Westbrook, signing Miguel Batista, and signing Suppan and Miles midseason last year after other GMs told him how much they sucked by releasing them he is a HORRIBLE GM!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
How About FUCK YOU TONY LARUSSA YOU TIGHT NUTTED FUCKWAD!
Everything you say points to fire MO now!
"Gibson drilled the Rookie for having the impertinence to hit a long foul ball off of him"
This deal makes the Pedro feliz trade look better than the Lou Brock trade…
by beer me on Jul 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
so, uh, who starts in right tonight?
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
I hear that Berkman's fine
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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That makes a lot of sense.
His power will really fit in with what I’m looking for in our new right fielder.
At Over the Monster, they blogged about why the Red Sox should trade for Jackson:
See here
Interesting stuff.
i'm attending this evening...
rasmus shirt or no?
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
Without question.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus shirt and black armband around the sleeve, I'd say.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
should i do something clever with it?
suggestions?
not the president of the -0.2 WAR AAAA shortstop club
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You fucking better
And you better scream at mo the entire game
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FUCK YES...
I am going on Saturday and I intend to wear mine then
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Do it
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Keith Law borrowed from BBB
The Cardinals, meanwhile, have made a terrible organizational move by allowing their aging manager to run off the best hitting prospect the team has produced since drafting Albert Pujols. Whether La Russa was mostly responsible or only shares responsibility with Rasmus and his father, it is clear that La Russa’s my-way-or-the-highway mentality has hurt the organization for this year and several years to come with the Rasmus fiasco, and unfortunately the front office’s decision to retain La Russa for 2011 has come back to haunt them. Rasmus has the potential to be a 5- to 6-win player at his peak, and there’s no manager in baseball who can produce that kind of value.
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
by d-dee on Jul 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
.....when he has an incredible roster
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
this is bs
the buck stops with mo. people can characterize tlr and infer that his crotchety-ness extends to his relationship with mo, but ultimately mozeliak is the one responsible for this turn-of-events.
surely you're not suggesting Tony has no influence whatsoever
that would be naive
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
He does
Don’t be a moron.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
first off. fuck you.
secondly. how is that you are so familiar with the inner workings of cardinals’ mgmt?
one of them has a better relationship with the owner than the other does.
I’ll let you guess who is who.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
if that;s true, then it's the fault of ownership
for allowing such an upside-down relationship. And it makes mozeliak a little bitch for tolerating it.
Well fuck it
Blame ‘em all. It’s an organizational failure at this point. If Mo, TLR, or DeWitt had put their foot down and said “hold the phone, let’s hold on and see what Rasmus does from here out” or something, this doesn’t happen. I’ve given up on excusing Mo for DeRussa just b/c I liked how Mo ran the team in 2008.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Fuck 'em all. Organizational failure! What a disfunctional looneybin.
Good Luck Colby. I’m glad you are done with this shit. I’ll be so glad when TLR is gone and I hope Mo goes with him.
Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter. Mark Twain
they could have brought in a decdent LHRP in the first place
and when Waino went down at the begining of spring they could have brought in a starter and not needed Kmac in the rotation stretching them thin
but hindsights 20/20 i guess
by jealousblues on Jul 27, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
alright, now i want to cry
reality setting in. TOO MUCH CRYING LATELY
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Okay...
I’ll point out a couple positives:
We swapped out Valdes, Walters, and Miller in favor of Kmac, Dotel, and Scrabble
Jackson over Kmac is an upgrade
We get a supplemental pick
Scrabble can be a #3 starter for the league minimum next year
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
if he's a #3 starter
why was he in Toronto’s bullpen?
Someone could ask that over at the Jays website...
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
From KLaw Article:
“left-hander Mark Rzepczynski, another sinker-slider guy with a terrible arm action who profiles as a reliever because he probably won’t have the command or health to start.”
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Full of shit article
No evidence to back any of that up.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
not bad enough to condemn him to the bullpen
In 120 innings as a starter he had a sub 4 xFIP… in the AL East.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree he should be turned back into a starter.
I just don’t think he’s going to be anything more than a #4.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
I really like him
I think he has Jaime potential.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we don't need two Jaimes
Mo will probably trade Jaime, now
by mattyfrommo on Jul 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AHHH
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
FLAGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>=8O
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
Was KLaw still with Toronto when the drafted Scrabble?
I’ m sure he has scouted him a few times at least. I mean, it is his job for living to evaluate players. Not saying that he is right but he probably has a better idea than most.
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Why would that give him a better idea of the guy 5 years later?
What, current scouts don’t have access to video, or they can’t drive?
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You claimed there was no evidence as to what KLaw said.
I’m just suggested that he probably saw him in person and based on what he saw he made those assertions. That is all.
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i agree w/ you
looking only at this season - which is all that La Russa ever does, and therefore all the StL FO ever does - i think the trade improved the team. they addressed their biggest weakness (pitching staff) without diminishing their biggest strength (offense). i’m sure the Reds and Brewers feel their chances to win in 2011 are now diminished.
but in exchange for two months of improvement, they’ve set themselves way back for 2012 through 2014. it’s a classic TLR type of tradeoff - short-sighted, impatient.
by lboros on Jul 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure
that TLR cares about what happens a year or two or three down the road.
He seems to want to win now—while he’s still around.
The FO, of course, should take a longer view…
To me,
recent years have completely invalidated the false tension projected on the organization here at VEB. Mozeliak and TLR are a team, not adversaries. There may be disagreements, and perhaps when Mozeliak started they had differing points of view, but it seems clear to me that they are a personnel tag team.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not sure i agree
i think the tag-team is La Russa and Pujols. they’re the two most powerful figures in the organization. if they are both in favor of something, Mozeliak resists them at his peril.
i agree. TLR sets the mandates.
Pujols enforces along with Carp. Everyone else falls in line. The interview yesterday didnt help Mo out any either.
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To me, the moves for Suppan, Winn, Feliz, DeRosa trade, Holliday trade, and Rasmus trade,
seem products of La Russa and Mozeliak and not of La Russa and Pujols.
Since you’re here, do you believe Pujols is consulted or has input on roster moves?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That's what I wondered.
If Pujols has input through La Russa.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You have more insight than I do.
Do you think Mozeliak carries out TLR’s wishes out of a sense of self-preservation?
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that would not be a good way to run an org
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Of course he does
Mo is a puppet.
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i think Mo has to walk a tightrope
to some extent, he has to serve the wishes of a mgr such as tony, who has a strong political base throughout the industry. if Mo tries to strongarm La Russa, he’s going to end up just like Colby Rasmus -- ie, with diminished value and a diminished role. baseball is a big frat house, and you can’t make enemies with one of the really powerful cliques or you can find yourself run out of the club. so yeah, there’s probably a big element of self-preservation to it. i think Mo pushes back as much as he dares.
there’s also the fact that Mo needs to make the playoffs this year. he looked very bad last season when Jocketty and the Reds knocked the Cards off; that was embarrassing. if he fails to make the playoffs yet again this season, his job could be in jeopardy — and he won’t be guaranteed another shot as a GM.
if mo's position is leveraged by TLR
as much as everyone seems to think. doesn’t it make Mo a bit of a joke among his peers?
How long have we been saying La Russa was about to retire now?
2007? I don’t think this ever ends. It’s terrible.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
i expect ZombieLaRussa to still manage this team after he kicks it
he’ll outlive us all
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He's like Brett Favre, and he gets a fat-old pass from the media around here
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
more like Walt 0.5
the BETA version…he hasn’t learned how to consistantly trade for star power yet
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
i suppose the chris duncan trade is the obvious counter-example
it’s likely we never really understand their relationship
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by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
How does switching Rasmus for Jay and losing depth in the outfield not diminish offense?
I think this trade is a slight improvement for 2011 at best.
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, re: Rasmus and Jay
They project for basically the same wOBA going forward this year
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And even if you think Rasmus would be better...
he’s going to split time with Jay no matter what.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Bullshit projection
Doesn’t take into account the massive difference in natural talent/potential.
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So? They have the same expected production
Colby has a higher variance
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Aah, no Colby does not have higher variance projection
The fact that he’s a better prospect means he has a higher median projection than his purely stats based one.
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever, I'm not going to argue today
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Pussy
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
they still have 4 good-hitting outfielders
in holliday, berkman, jay, and craig.
by lboros on Jul 27, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The more Craig plays the outfield, the less time he spends at 2B.
Which is another slight downgrade, IMO.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You're assuming Craig
a) comes back
b) comes back and hits the way he was before the injury
c) plays more outfield than 2b (although now, he probably will)
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He's hitting like you'd expect Allen Craig to hit right now in Memphis on his rehab stint.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't really see anything to suggest he won't be a very good hitter going forward
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2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
It's always a damn the torpedoes thing
It was fun while Jocketty could fleece stupid GMs out of Edmonds/McGwire type players, but those days are long gone. Now John Mozeliak is one of those stupid GMs. God I hope Jocketty doesn’t offer him Edinson Volquez for Shelby Miller, Matt Adams, and Fernando Salas.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
But if he is in the rotation then somebody else is gone.
1. Wainwright
2. Carp
3. Garcia
4. Lohse
5. Westbrook
6. Scrabble?
So that means we either decline the option on Carp (bad move) or we put Scrabble in the bullpen for the year and waste a year of service. Either way, not good.
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can't resign Pujols and Wainwright and Molina AND Carp
when you already have Jaime and Westy and Lohse and Holliday for $40.625 M
Carp will go bye bye
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I think they can swing it for one year.
They have a lot of money coming off the books in the next couple seasons i.e. Berkman, Franklin, Lohse, Westbrook, Skip, Theriot..
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Can't put Waino down for 220 innings coming off surgery...
Carp is a time bomb, even if he comes back, which he might not. Westbrook could be replacement level soon. I’m happy to have scrabble given #1-#5.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
No but you can pitch him in the 5 slot and expect 160-180 innings.
Garcia just did it for the most part.
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Don't we get 2 supplemental picks?
Dotel and Jackson?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If we offer arbitration
And they decline
And they’re signed by another team
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Yeah, I know how Type B picks work.
Obviously Jackson is declining.
There is some or a decent chance that Dotel would accept arb. Probably depends on how he does during the rest of the year. Or there could be a handshake agreement to decline arb.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We will pick up Dotel's option, unfortunately...
and if we don’t we won’t offer arb, I don’t think.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Where does the supplemental pick come in??
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm seeing it now...
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone check for an Olney tweet about the Rays package.
Can’t get to it from work.
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Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
The only tweet I'm aware of
is this one:
It’ll be interesting to see what STL gets for Rasmus, because sources say Cards were offered one of three TB SP: Niemann, Davis,Cobb.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I thought there was a subsequent one (a commenter at FR posted something)
made it sound like Cobb was definitely available.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Not that I see...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
thanks
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
There appeared to be a misread of the above tweet that the deal might have been
Niemann + Cobb
or
Davis + Cobb
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
If you have access, could you post the tweet explaining that?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Looks like came from mstreeter06..
@mstreeter06
Matthew Streeter
Not sure why Cards turned down Niemann or Davis + Cobb for Rasmus? Ugh. #stlcards
Unsure how he got to this from the original.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Thanks for posting this.
I wonder how also. Unless there’s another source?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Has there been any further mention of the money that is apparently involved?
Specifically, has it been at least confirmed that the money would be coming our way?
When reading the headline for the trade
I immediately thought, “Hey, we don’t need Kyle Drabek, but you can never have enough young pitching.” Reading the results was like opening the most disappointing pack of baseball cards ever.
by HollidaysofThunder on Jul 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
I was thinking
Oh neat, Yunel Escobar is a major upgrade over Theriot.
Same reaction.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
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Ok 1st... I do not like this trade at all.... but
Edwin Jackson is pretty damn good pitcher even though he is a rental… and this allows our bullpen to get Kmac back. I like the bullpen now even though I am not a fan of Dotel. I am emotionally biased against Dotel never really been a fan. That being said, I love Jon Jay he has turned out to be really really good and once we get Allen Craig back I think between Jay and Craig the offense will not suffer too much with the loss of Colby. I love Colby and think this is overall a bad trade. But I understand it
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
Wrong
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
you completely disagree with what I said above?
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
I dsagree with the "I understand it part"
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by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it makes our bullpen a lot more solid and Edwin Jackson is a stud
even if he is not very consistent
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
and our outfield is way too crowded... I love Jon Jay
and when Craig gets back… idk man I love Colby but I am used to this now… if we win this year because of this then I will be ok with it
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
Win what?
The division? I think we had a pretty decent chance of doing so already. You think getting Jackson puts us over the top and makes us a WS contender in the playoffs against PHI, ATL or SF? I do not think so.
by mick311 on Jul 27, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I think making Jackson our No. 3
over Lohse/Westbrook is a signifiicant improvement in a short series.
Also, having Rep, Dotel, and Kmac in the pen is significantly better than Miller and the backend of the current bullpen.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
you're being incessantly
and mindlessly negative about every aspect of this.
jackson does not suck.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
He's a back of the rotation starter who we will have for half a season.
And he’s the crown jewel of the trade in which we sent away our CF of the future.
actually, it's only for two months.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
when you put it that way
it does sound horrible.
sorry. i’m being grouchy too i guess. it’s just manifesting itself differently in me.
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do not mess with yadi f. molina
going into the playoffs
do you want a rotation of carp, jaime, westy, lohse
or a rotation of carp, jaime, jackson, and your choice between westy or lohse?
i am incredibly upset, but if this is the last year we get to have albert, i do understand to some extent the win now philosophy. our pitching staff, including the BP, was not good enough to get very far into the playoffs, or maybe not even into the playoffs at all. our pitching has been significantly upgraded with this trade.
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I disagree
if this is the last year of albert then we definitely need young star players to build on.
Cause if he is gone now what do we have in our future?
by jealousblues on Jul 27, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson has pitched well this season.
He has struck out 7.18 per 9 innings, which should go up as he moves to the NL. He has only walked 2.88 per 9 innings, too. His ERA is 3.92, which is higher than his FIP (3.21), and xFIP (3.42). He’s a good pitcher.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
WHIP?
The guy has a solid FIP, xFIP, doesn’t walk anyone, and strikes out a fair number of hitters. Acquiring Jackson is a boost.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO,
this trade allows us to match up much better (in terms of our pitching) with Philly in a short series.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jul 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jackson is far from a stud
He’s a number 3 or 4 guy. This move doesn’t help us this year and it probably means we lose Pujols as well. Stupidity on Mo’s part.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We need cost controlled talent to remain competitive and retain Albert.
Colby is that type of player.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I know... I skipped a bunch of steps
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
Welcome to the desert....of the real
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
balls indeed
balls… indeed….
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2011: Boog would've count 72
from keith law--all that needs to be said really
The price was just too high, and tells us that their internal emphasis is on their manager over their players — which is backwards.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
This.
Good heavens, This.
But This has been This for many, many years now.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Who won in this deal?
Besides AA? Jeff Luhnow.
He gets to watch one of his draft picks thrive in a different environment and will get draft pick compensation for Jackson. Plus, he’s one step closer to GM of the Cardinals.
Ummm
lost you on that last line.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Mo get fired???
There’s no way the ownership didn’t sign off on this first. So why would Mo get fired for it?
Ha, like DeWitt (or whoever hires the GM) has the balls to fire him.
They love Mo up in the front office.
they just extended him for three years
he has free reign
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2011: Boog would've count 72
Wee cud yous sum of that free rain hear in so col rite about now
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Mo gets fired for this trade.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
If we miss the playoffs this year and next?
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 27, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, like the ownership cares if we make the playoffs.
They just care if the fans keep coming, and if they can just be in a pennant race every year their goal is achieved.
Not true, at all.
There’s a lot of money to be made in the postseason.
Also, a team that does well in October interests the fans and boosts ticket sales the next year.
Still not a werewolf.
don't feed the troll.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Well, our attendance seems to be doing pretty well right now.
And we haven’t won a playoff game since ’06.
That won't be attributed to this trade.
Mo may get fired but it won’t be because of this trade.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
I agree that Mo doesn't get fired for this trade...
but it’s one more step towards making the Cardinals worse past 2011. The farther out they are from making the playoffs, the more chances Mo has of getting fired. Hence, Luhnow moves one step closer to GM consideration.
was that rumoured ray's offer real?
’cos that makes this all worse.
there has to be a (better) endgame to all this, right? this can’t be the only move we make.
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do not mess with yadi f. molina
Leach is chasing that down
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Be careful what you wish for.
Shelby Miller had a meh start against Northwest Arkansas the other night.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares about results?
What I need to know is whether Miller displays any type of social awkwardness.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 27, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm sad for you
you’re the second username casualty in the last year.
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do not mess with yadi f. molina
Yeah
Will sort that out later. Inclined to keep it for now.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I truly hope it's a load of shit
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I am looking so, so forward to hearing the rationale for this
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Yep. Remember when Mo said he'd only deal Rasmus for a really good deal?
Can’t wait to hear how this was that perfect trade he was looking for.
Oh, I'm sure he will
At what point does your manager’s ego start to rot your team from the inside out, I wonder?
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I still can’t see how he got this hosed. I mean this is awful. This is seriously worst case scenario.
by beer me on Jul 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i've been saying for two years now Mo is not a good GM
i hate being proven right
i can’t believe this, i just can’t fucking believe it
Balls
by gdm426 on Jul 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I feel
The same way.
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by Dttl89 on Jul 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this is the only way i know to fully express my anger
Balls
by gdm426 on Jul 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Welp time for a new thread
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by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, wasn't aware of that.
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by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Bert gets me every time
Also, hello there, Texas girl
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if I like the muppets one or the Ted Lilly one the best.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is so awesome.
I can’t pick my favorite. Either Barney, Bert, or one of the children who are freaking out.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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You were right... I was wrong... I am now a 40 year old man drinking alone.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Feelings
This trade makes me sad because we traded a guy who I wanted to watch play for years, sad because we did it in a dumb, unprofessional way, and sad because we just got worse as a team over the long term.
But, I’m going to try and learn a lesson from a fink’s sanguinity about all things baseball, and approach it like this:
I like Colby Rasmus, and I’m going to root for him in Toronto. I hope he has a great career.
I like Jon Jay, and I hope he gets a chance to shine, steps up to it, and proves to be more than we imagined. He won’t be Rasmus, but I still like watching him play.
I don’t know much about the guys we just traded for, but I’ll be pulling for them. Jackson seems like he could be valuable down the stretch. Scrabble looks like a good piece for the bullpen this year, and hopefully a decent starter in the future. Dotel seems harmless once you forget how we obtained him. No comment on Patterson.
Now I’m going to spend the rest of the day listening to old Television albums to remind myself that there are still badass things in this world.
by Robth on Jul 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Rec'ed....
but I am NOT rooting for – no I can;t say his NAME!!!! – just caaaaaaan’t do it…
:=8/
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
What really stands out...
…when I look at E. Jackson’s stats on Baseball Reference: Agent: Scott Boras. Oh, dear. Yes, my favorite team in the whole wide world traded a mild head ache of a (sort of this year) under performing COST CONTROLLED player for a free agent SP with a 4.53 162 game average ERA who is controlled by Scott Boras. (insert frowny face here)
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
And now we'll re-sign him and get him for 4 more years!
We’ll have to pick 2 guys between Loshe, Westbrook, and Jackson for the rotation next year! You can’t go wrong with any of those 3 players who have salaries that completely match their on-field performance.
Guys, this deal's not so bad
According to ESPN, we’re also getting Kevin Kolb out of the deal. He has a pretty good arm and decent speed. Probably be a pretty good outfielder.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Jul 27, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Kolb sucks.
He’s an awful decision-maker and won’t get any better when he leaves Philly for Arizona. They will be wishing for Derek Anderson by the end of next season.
That's a bit harsh
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he has a plus arm
and decent mobility
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, until this point I'd been okay with Mo and thought TLR was basically the same or better than other managerial options
But I think this is the last straw. I’m really read for some turnover in management. Let’s get new FO leadership in here, try a new manager for the first time in forever, and see if we can at least try running the team with a little common sense.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
#MOMUSTGO
get that shit trending on twitter.
by El Hombre on Jul 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sbn'd
if TLR wasn’t the manager how differently would everything be? RB wrote an article stating Mo is the GM based on the condition of being TLR’s bitch. still seems relevant
by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to make a couple of predictions
Jon Jay’s production slumps and his average will plummet. See: Post Ludwick Trade
Berkman regresses…
Jackson is actually does worse than McClellan in our rotation.
We finish 2nd again this year after our offensive production declines because our leading run scorer now plays in Canada.
A lion does not concern himself with the opinion's of the sheep. - Tywin Lannister
I agree Jay will be worse going forward
Don’t see much reason for Berkman to regress.
Jackson is good, K-Mac sucks. Jackson will be a big improvement there, you’re just being emotional. (But then he will leave after the season.)
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
come on
absent serious injury, there’s no reason to think that berkman is going to suddenly get worse. he has been awesome all season. second, jackson has been worth 3 WAR this season. he’s been worth 3 or more WAR over the last three seasons. k-mac has barely been replacement level. jay projects to be only slightly worse going forward than he currently is, and he still projects to have a .347 wOBA.
maybe, MAYBE, one of these three things will happen. but probably not.
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He's getting an MRI on his shoulder.
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Well I just got to a computer
haven’t read the comments.
But oh my I hate this trade so hard. I’m sickened.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
Everyone was pretty pissed until we found out we were getting Corey Patterson
Then everyone was okay with the deal.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Worst day in my cardinal fandom
I started reading veb right around the time Colby was drafted. He was a good part of my baseball addiction. If this trade is finalized it will be my worst baseball day ever. Colby is more than a “struggling” 24 year old cost controlled centerfielder. He was a bastion of hope during the darker times after the mv3. As a prospect geek that’s followed colbster from the beginning I want to say thanks to Colby. I’m not mad about the trade… I’m sad. I’m nauseous. But most of all, I’m stunned. I’ve always defended MO. I really didn’t like jocketty
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by Dttl89 on Jul 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
seeing Oswalt win a tractor
on our home field in 05 was not enjoyable.
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thank god you werent around for the 2004 WS
but hey we got to see real deal hollywood movie stars film on our field after the loss golly!
by jealousblues on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I wasn't on VEB
but the BoSox will forever be my second least favorite team because of that series
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Wow
I was hoping to post a screenshot of OOTP12 with Mo laughing at the trade proposal, but instead he says “OK, that doesn’t sound too bad. I agree to execute this trade now.”
Even a computer game knows Mo is a terrible GM!
by carpenoctem on Jul 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this made me laugh.
thanks for the humour.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Screw it. Nothing I say would be rational.
So Ima just shut up and think about how stupid the management of my favorite baseball team is.
i'm very happy for
colby. i like him a lot and wish him all the best. things were never going to get better for him with tlr’s calculated marginalisation.
god speed colby. burn a fire in the rogers centre.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
its going to be hard watching this team
Toil in mediocrity for the rest of the season.
by beer me on Jul 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Worst day in my cardinal fandom
I started reading veb right around the time Colby was drafted. He was a good part of my baseball addiction. If this trade is finalized it will be my worst baseball day ever. Colby is more than a “struggling” 24 year old cost controlled centerfielder. He was a bastion of hope during the darker times after the mv3. As a prospect geek that’s followed colbster from the beginning I want to say thanks to Colby. I’m not mad about the trade… I’m sad. I’m nauseous. But most of all, I’m stunned. I’ve always defended MO. I really didn’t like jocketty so MO seemed like a great candidate at the time. This is beyond disappointing.
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by Dttl89 on Jul 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You just summed up my feelings perfectly
Just awful
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Corey Patterson.
God fucking damn it.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Cubs add a slap to the face
With their failed version of Colby.
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by Dttl89 on Jul 27, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
STOP SAYING HIS NAME!!!!
He’ll appear right before us! THEN what will we do???? He’ll get signed for 5 MOAR YEARS!!!! They’ll put him in to PLAY FISRT BASE IN PLACE OF PUJOLS!!!
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Corey Effin' Patterson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:=8O
I'm not going to watch the game tonight
partly out of sadness, but I really don’t want to hear Al/Dan/Rick’s opinion on the trade
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
So, watch the game
but with the sound off…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
try the houston feed
"Gibson drilled the Rookie for having the impertinence to hit a long foul ball off of him"
So, is it official yet?
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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This deal only makes sense
If we are trading Kyle Lohse for a bucket of baseballs.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jose Bautista
I remember reading about how Jose Bautista basically went from scrub the the best hitter in baseball when he came to the Jays, they stopped trying to get him to “go the other way” and just let me grip and rip. Now he just pulls the ball and crushes it every time.
Trying to get a pull hitter to go the other way sounds familiar.
Blue Jays acquire Colby….lather rinse repeat the hitting instructions….Colby becomes the CF version of Jose Bautista…I cry myself to sleep every night.
Good point.
I’m moving my over/under prediction on home runs for Colby to 87 a year.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I definitely want that.
And I would wear it to the August 11 game against he Brewers
by Swordslasher on Jul 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
.
BJRains B.J. Rains
On the show, @BNightengale says Cardinals could get either Ohman or Thornton from White Sox if Miller ends up going to Chicago.
3 minutes ago
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
intriguing
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
PLEASE THORTON
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We've already traded a cost controlled CF for a bunch of rentals and relievers
Just go all fucking in
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that's my problem here. Is this all in? This is the owrst all in ever.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
We haven't traded for Rich Harden yet
Have patience.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Fuck yes
This totally saves the trade! Overpaid loogys win the playoffs.
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by Dttl89 on Jul 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still hate the trade
but neither Thornton or Scrabble or LOOGEYS just because they throw with their left hand. They are good vs. righties too.
If we did get Thornton, our "new" bullpen
will be pretty fricking awesome for the rest of the year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll get fucking Ohmen instead
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Please let it be Thornton
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Next year when someone takes over CF
Jay has a hot start and Holliday has a slump and we trade Holliday for half a season of a back of te rotation starter to make room for Jay I’m going to kill Mozeliak, I should now but I’m trying really hard to be good
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 27, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Colby is like
the crazy ex girlfriend you used to date, who left when you traded her to that guy in Toronto for several uglier girlfriends, while throwing in a few….oh man this metaphor is really falling apart
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK
by Notorious PSC on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
"several uglier girlfriends"
This made me laugh.
by HollidaysofThunder on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel physically ill. That can’t be right that something like a trade would upset me this much.
by beer me on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
quoth Strauss:
Bullpen has gone from a huge question mark to possibly a strength; Tony will no longer pull a hamstring nightly running from his ’pen.
by RedbirdAvenger on Jul 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The manager's usage patterns won't change a heck of a lot, I suspect.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
we wouldnt want TLR to hurt himself now would we.
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Jayson Stark
Nolan Ryan threw 4 no-hitters in 25 months from 1973-75. In 36 years since, this is only 2nd CG no-hitter by an Angel. Mike Witt threw other
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
I still can’t get over fucking Patterson…
by beer me on Jul 27, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yeah, that didn't make a lot of sense
the poor man’s OF version of aaron miles.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
twitter
then don't fuck him?
Just saying.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the thing that is utterly incomprehensible...
seven years after he proves to everyone he’s not worthy of a roster spot, he’s going to be on our team. This trumps Miles 2.0, Suppan 2.0, and Feliz.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
This Trade Reflects a Win-Now Mentality
It makes sense this year. Maybe will hurt more starting next year.
In the meanwhile, if we really mean to win now, we need a MIF upgrade.
So I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.
So says, Titus Pullo (formerly The Dude)
Surely we could have gotten a better win now package from someone else
Jackson is not the answer to our problems
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Please explain how Rasmus was preventing us from winning this year?
Because if we couldn’t find a way to supplement the pen without moving Rasmus, I’ll eat my hat.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
There
are a lot of names on here I haven’t seen in a couple years.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
hey, what's the best link to educate BBB about Geriger, let's go?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
blue bird banter
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Oh, "or cash considerations"
They nothin’
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
MLBTR Tweets
Blue Jays announce Rasmus deal. Cards also get 3 players to be named later or cash considerations.
Onobun > Gates
The "or cash considerations" leads me to believe they aren't very good PTBNLs
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
That's what I just said, brah
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My bad, brotato
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
maybe its Tallet, Miller and the other guy back
by jealousblues on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You are a sick bastard.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a deep breath
Patterson for Tallet… Slight edge to Cards; old and worthless for old and worthless
Dotel for Miller… Slight edge to Cards; old and okay for old and okay
Walters for Jackson… Edge to Cards; long reliever/spot starter for 2nd half of decent pitching and Type B pick later
Rasmus for Scrabble… Edge to Jays; young, cost-controlled CF with decent numbers and potential for young, cost-controlled starter-turned-reliever with decent numbers. Both around same age.
You guys flipped when we lost Anthony Reyes, but he went nowhere after he was traded. Boog isn’t hitting well for the Mariners. Ludwick isn’t setting the world on fire for the Padres. Rolen for Glaus was better for us for half of the time. Yeah, losing Perez for DeRosa sucked, but if DeRosa didn’t get injured, I bet he would have led us further than we got. Greene for Gregorson sucked, but who knew Greene would lose his mind?
Jay will do fine in CF. Patterson will do fine off of the bench. Valdez and Scrabble make good LOOGYS for now. K-Mac in the pen is good for us. There’s no guarantee Rasmus would have ever lived up to expectations with or without TLR. The last few years in MLB and AAA he didn’t set the world on fire; he was decent. As long as he listens to his father over MLB coaching, however, he will never be a superstar.
Next year we could get a Type B for Jackson and move Scrabble into the rotation. Rzep might turn into a real weapon for us; fuck Mike Maroth comparisons.
Now everyone please calm down.
by Ghosty on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Patterson being on the team over a guy who wasn't hurts the team.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks man.
you’re a beast typing all that on a phone.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
The question is how much of a difference there is between Rasmus and Scrabble
The latter who I agree is the biggest asset in the trade.
If he’s a starting pitching in the future, this trade might not be terrible. If he’s a reliever, it’s awful.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
the earlier Mike Maroth comparison was tongue-in-cheek
sorry to offend
"Maroth-related PTSD"
Was an epic line. I can’t be the only one who never would have remembered him being a Cardinal if you hadn’t mentioned it.
by HollidaysofThunder on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, check out Paulspike's sig
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
also
his defense is still awesome, and theriot’s is awful.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
thank you.
i haven’t fretted out over this thing like many of the rest have. i think that it will be good for the cards. so what if it’s short term for now? i think this team has a better shot at the playoffs, even minus raz. i think that having tony raz off the radar will help. yes, the future is uncertain, but for now, we’re looking up.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
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Patterson is truly one of the worst players in baseball over the past few years
Boog is better than the team’s current SS who is actively costing the team runs.
Rasmus is a 24, nearly 25, year old potential all star who was essentially traded for a rental pitcher and whole bunch of other shit. I refuse to calm down.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Jays formally announce deal, according to Leach
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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This is honestly about as close as I'll ever
Be to renouncing my cardinals fandom, and it’s entirely a result of our manager. what a stupid fuckig inverted structure we have, where we appease our manager by driving talent away again and again. I honestly kind of u fucking hate this whole organization until Tony is gone. last year, he may have been the worst manager in baseball. And this year, well, he decided to forego fucking the org over for just the current season, and instead thought it better to fuck us over for the next 3-5.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Jul 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
the only solace i take in this is that it might be evidence that Tony's done after this year
(but that probably isn’t true either)
by molina mo problems on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
per MLBTR
Though there are eight players in this deal, it mostly boils down to the Cardinals renting Jackson and Dotel and getting Rzepczynski long-term in exchange for Rasmus’ three arbitration years. It’s hard to see this as anything but a win for the Blue Jays.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
There it is.
BREAKING: TOR acquires OF C. Rasmus, RPs Tallet,Miller & Walters from STL for SP E. Jackson, RP O. Dotel RP M. Rzepcyznski & OF C. Patterson
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
Bilingual Twitter
wait, what?
The TORONTO BLUE JAYS have acquired OF COLBY RASMUS, LHP BRIAN TALLET, LHP TREVER MILLER and RHP P.J. WALTERS from the St. Louis Cardinals in exchange for RHP EDWIN JACKSON, RHP OCTAVIO DOTEL, LHP MARC RZEPCZYNSKI, OF COREY PATTERSON and three players to be named later or cash considerations
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
nothing to get excited about.
They’re not going to give us anything useful beyond what we’ve already got.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We should just blow up the farm and get shields jimenez and beltran…
by beer me on Jul 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
WELP WE'RE OFFICIAL NOW FOLKS
NOW YOU CAN GET MAD FOR REAL THIS TIME
cough
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
this time it counts?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
by d-dee on Jul 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you should make a gif of this
somehow
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
FUCK THIS STUPID ASS TRADE
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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So the 3 PTBNLs and/or cash considerations
I’m guessing probably has to deal with if we lose Jackson to FA at the end of the year?
by stlfan on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
nothing to do with that
if we lose Jackson we get draft compensation
the 3 PTBNL are going to be from a pool of players (probably not good with the “or cash” part) and we can choose 3 of thoe players out of that pool or just take a few million instead. expect to either get MiLB filler or cash.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Yay drinks
I went to get breakfast from Subway so I wouldn’t die of drinking this afternoon.
What time does the game start again..?
I'm not sure I'll be watching much for a while.
I’m pissed. Thanks for fucking nothing Mo.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
Cardinals select Jose Bautista as first PTBNL, receive cash considerations in place of other two
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I could live with that.
of course, he’d probably revert to being his old self as soon as we got him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
WELP fuck, that really was it.
Are the 2011 St. Louis Cardinals better today than they were yesterday?
Here is a link to my google+ profile.
probably a little
unless berkman really is hurt
then we’re fucked
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by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
More than just a little. A lot.
Carp, Jaime, Jackson is much better than Carp, Jaime, Lohse.
Plus the left side is solidified and possibly a strength if we get Thornton.
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Who cares?
the 2012-2014 Cardinals took a hit today. This trade may o may not make us a better team this year. But it doesn’t make us a good enough team to win the WS. So, basically it’s a big ass mistake
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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The 2012-2014 Cardinals became Albertless today.
That’s all that matters. Bye Mang. It was nice getting to see you play.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a wizard, matty.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Colby was the type of cost controlled player that would let us keep Albert
and be competitive. Pujols won’t stay if the Cards aren’t going to be competitive.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We still have Jon Jay
And we could always resign Patterson!
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Jon Jay is a fourth outfielder.
He’s a good ballplayer and I’m glad he’s a Cardinal. He’s not Colby Rasmus.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't scrabble that same kind of cost-controlled player?
if we insert him into the rotation, aren’t we freeing up some money there, too? and the person replacing rasmus is also cost-controlled.
that said, i dont think we were keeping albert either way. i think if the FO thought there was a chance of keeping albert, this trade would not have happened. this is a win now while we still have albert kind of deal.
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the rationale for this trade is that the short term upgrade outweighs the long-term hit
I’m trying to figure out if it is even a short term upgrade
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Barely, I guess. Depends on Berkman DL, as mentioned above
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why does everyone keep saying this?
didn’t berkman PLAY last night?
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I don't see how it's an upgrade.
We already had a very good pitching staff (8th in the majors if I remember right).
Our offense certainly didn’t get any better with this trade.
If anything it’s a lateral move this year and a big head first dive off into the Grand Canyon for the next three.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
without a doubt, yes.
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who's the guy who traded for vernon wells?
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by YesWeOquendo on Jul 27, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Blue Jays used some relievers and DHs to turn Vernon Wells & his contract into Colby Rasmus. Kinda incredible.
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by Alxfritz on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep
and with that, I’m literally going to go throw up now.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
is the thorton, ohman thing off the table now?
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by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
LAWL
Is very bad to steal A-Pu's rum...is very bad.
by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Cubs trying hard to lose Z to NYY
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“Rasmus is arbitration-eligible after this season and, according to a source familiar with the situation, was involved in discussions over a possible contract extension before La Russa first made public his criticisms on July 10.
Blowback following La Russa’s comments to a St. Louis television station Tuesday night further forced Mozeliak’s hand as he concluded the relationship between player and manager could not be salvaged within what had become a toxic environment for Rasmus."
From the P-D… definitely makes it sound like this was largely a LaRussa thing… I honestly can’t see what tlr brings to this org at this point
by cardsfan_1986 on Jul 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Then fire the fucking manager.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
RASMUS AND LARUSSA HATE EACH OTHER
Option 1: Fire LaRussa.
Option 2: Trade Rasmus for rentals.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
how much does the whole
“pujols loves tony” thing play into keeping tlr as manager, i wonder.
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When there are so many players
That seem to have issues with TLR, why does TLR always get the benefit of the doubt from management.
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by GasHouseMang on Jul 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
John Salley won a lot of titles too
While contributing almost nothing to those teams.
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by Power Slurve on Jul 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Link?
We were going to extend Rasmus and instead they trade him. Just incredible . . . .
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Ya if LaRussa really kept us from signing him that is unacceptable
by cardsfan_1986 on Jul 27, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Mother of god
Why in the hell does the organization let a mid level employee (which is really what a manager is in the scheme of things) who refuses to work on anything other than one year contracts dictate who will and will not wear the Cards uniform? This is a mess. The whole damn organization needs to be blown up. It’s a damn trainwreck.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not one of those crazy fans who thinks DeWitt is just trying to make $$ owning the Cards
he’s been a very good owner over the years
but he’s got a major blind spot with TLR & it will be the teams downfall. if it hasn’t been already with yet another short sighted win now move. TLR is basically Connie Mack now. he can do whatever he wants, get whatever he wants & stay for as long as he wants. and allowing this the worst thing DeWitt can do as an owner
Balls
but what does win now give us, even if we won the ws
after we’ve crippled the team for years to come
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lineup for tonight?
schumaker 2B
jay CF
pujols 1B
holliday LF
freese 3B
molina C
descalso SS
lohse P
patterson RF
ugh
Will Patterson be in town in time?
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by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
why does everyone think patterson is going to be starting?
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WAT
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Stupid FanGraphs
Long-term, with Jackson departing after the season and Colby Rasmus under team control for the next three years, the Cardinals appear to take a hit, but by design. As the aforementioned story presented, the Cardinals and Colby Rasmus just didn’t seem to be able to reconcile their differences — with both parties likely at fault — and at some point, GM John Mozeliak had to cut his losses. The Cardinals managed to do so without weakening themselves noticeably in the short run, and with the lack of leverage given Rasmus’s situation, that’s probably as well as the Cardinals could do.
Emphasis mine. What?
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We didn't weaken ourselves hugely this year
The problem is 2012 and beyond.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I actually agree with that bolded part
I think we are better this year now. But I disagree that we could not get a better package
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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 27, 2011 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my take is that
by trading Colby Rasmus not weaking ourselves is, like, the lowest standard possible. Maybe I am misinterpreting what he is saying.
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Precisely
They’re saying it was pretty much a lateral move. If so, why’d we do it? Because we had to trade Rasmus, apparently. And that is the problem.
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and if that wasn't enough
Scott Miller of CBS Sports tweets this:
In aftermath of Rasmus deal, #StLCards still talking to #Padres about relievers. SD getting lots of play on Heath Bell.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
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by jd is legend on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Salas, Dotel, Bell closer by committee!
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I hear Gregerson is good
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patterson + theriot for bell
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why would they?
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If they don’t, the answer is obvious: KEEP HIM. D.GOOCH
by Donald Gooch on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
BBB was ecstatic over the trade. Id say yes.
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When every team is jumping to get Rasmus
I think that is pretty good evidence that the Cardinals should have kept him
by Swordslasher on Jul 27, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
WORST. TRADE. EVER.
Excepting on that one with Philadelphia. I was on the fence about Mo. He has done some good things and some bad things.
No more. My new motto:
Fire Mo. Retire Tony.
I can’t believe it. D.GOOCH
Seriously
The team tells Luhnow, “hey, draft us good young players who are cheap.” So he does. And then the crazy old guy who everybody is afraid of says “I don’t like these young cheap players! Get rid of ’em!”
Yes I am exaggerating heavily, but I"m having trouble staying perfectly logical about this.
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Some good news
Trever Miler is GONE!!!
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And Tallet. And Peej.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
beltran probably going to the giants
for zack wheeler and cash, per mlbtr.
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Where's the guarantee that Colby will flourish elsewhere?
Yeah, the twin Tonys were part of his downfall. But haven’t we all seen that in order to succeed at any discipline you’ve got to learn how to deal with idiot bosses? C’mon.
The Cardinals have spent two years trying to convert him to some slap hitting high average low power guy.
The Jays extol the philosophy of grip it and rip it. Clobby may hit 58 home runs the rest of the year.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
With a two month-long slump, he's been worth 1.4 WAR
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Not much overreacting going on in here
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10
Hmm
I can’t help but feel like some of you are biased against Corey Patterson for some reason (LOL).
3 PTBNL’s or cash on top of the 4 players we got? At best we can further cancel out the loss of PJ Walters and further close the gap between the two sides of this trade.
Think positive. Every now and then with PTBNL’s you get a Luke Gregorson.
by Ghosty on Jul 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
*Cries*
#^$^%#(&$&#^%$((&$^$(&%^#^#($)))%^$&$^#%$^%^$#%$%&*(%^&#&#%^
(cries some more)
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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I think the only way this ends well is if we win it all. It’s worth blowing up the future if you can grab a world series. Under current conditions this seems highly unlikely.
by beer me on Jul 27, 2011 3:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I am fucking done...
Next Cards game I goto I am throwing a bag of stuffed you cats with little pitchfork through them at LaRussa….
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by JasonMottesGlove on Jul 27, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
ugh...
Stupid autocorrect…you=toy…
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by JasonMottesGlove on Jul 27, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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