Ryan Theriot is the St. Louis Cardinals' Weakest Link
Last night, the Cardinals left the eye-pleasing confines of PNC Park in Pittsburgh, the victors of a three-game series against the insurgent Pittsburgh Pirates. The Cardinals dispatched of the Pirates in the first two games of the series and very nearly swept the Buccos out and into sole possession of third place in the division. A sweep was not to be as the Cards displayed sloppy fundamentals and poor defense in the series finale, blowing three leads en route to losing an extra-inning heartbreaker. Sunday's game is instructive as a microcosm as we look at to the non-waiver trade deadline and beyond.
A focus on the nebulous and easily contorted "intangibles" appears to have sidetracked some in the media who cover the Cardinals and many a fan as the trade deadline hysteria hits its peak. If the season as a whole had not already provided ample evidence to focus the mind on which position is most in need of an upgrade on the Cardinals, Sunday's game provided a Cliff Notes version of season's first 100 games, clearly demonstrating that Ryan Theriot is the club's weakest link.
In the offseason, before shipping Brendan Ryan to the exile that Seattle has become, the Cardinals acquired Theriot and quickly handed the job of starting shortstop to a player who had been deemed unable to play the position by both the Cubs and Dodgers in 2010 alone. Clubhouse chemistry and intangibles ominously factored into the justification for the decision. It was not until seeing Theriot bumble about a baseball diamond with great regularity that this writer achieved an appreciation for how terrible fundamentally the shortstop is, how truly horrendous his fielding is, and the lack of offensive talent he possesses.
No player on the 2011 roster is so fundamentally unsound as Theriot. He uniquely combines a consistent inability to make routine plays on the infield with the poor base-running that led Cubs fans to invent a statistic representative of boneheaded antics on the basepaths--the deliciously titled "TOOTBLAN," which stands for "Thrown Out on the Bases like a Nincompoop," a component of "RTAOBP," or, "Ryan Theriot Adjusted On-Base Percentage." Theriot has carried on running the bases like a nincompoop during his time wearing The Birds On Bat, accruing a -0.3 baserunning runs.
In the field with a mitt on his hand is where Theriot is at his worst, a bungling, booting, rock-handed abomination to any fan of good fielding. In Sunday's game, Theriot was given his sixteenth error on the season. While credited with only one "error" in the box score, he bungled a grounder that a more adept shortstop likely converts into an out and was an accomplice in the winning run making it to third base when Laird's throw made it past Theriot and into the outfield. (Laird was given an error on the play.) Fans were sold the usual bit of spin for an infielder with the range of a potted plant. It's okay because Theriot fields the ones he gets to. Even this rationale, which sets the lowest of all bars for a player's defense, has proven to be hogwash.
Theriot's 16 errors tie him for third-highest for a shortstop in all of baseball, behind or tied with Elvis Andrus, Starlin Castro, Jason Bartlett, and Ian Desmond. Of course, Theriot's Assists (234) lag behind his fellow high-errers. Andrus has had 258 Assists; Castro, 268; Bartlett, 249; and, Desmond with 295. Theriot's Fielding Percentage of .950 ranks 25 out of 25 on MLB.com's rankings for shortstops. Theriot's ineptitude in the field is also supported by the advanced fielding metrics. Fangraphs has him as a -10.6 fielder, which is the worst of all MLB shortstops, behind even Yuniesky Betancourt, and Total Zone has Theriot at -11 runs, or, 96 out of 97 players on Baseball-Reference's Total Zone ranking for shortstops. Whether your prefer the defensive stats of yore, the advanced metrics of the present, or the good ol' eye test, Ryan Theriot is a gods-of-baseball-awful defensive player.
Bringing Theriot in as the everyday shortstop was also sold as part of a club-wide, offense-for-defense realignment. Coming off a .286 wOBA in 2010, Theriot seemed like he kinda, sorta might be an okay bet to rebound a little bit. Hitting for a .300 average was Theriot's lone tool and the Cardinals were betting that it had not dulled so much as to render him useless. They were wrong.
Theriot started off well enough, playing to the script penned during winter's Hot Stove in the minds of John Mozeliak and Tony La Russa. League-average offense and horrible defense produced a valuable player by WAR. Perhaps a combination of the decline of age that seems to hit middle infielders hardest and the pitchers of the National League figuring him out, Theriot's production stalled and then launched into an offensive nosedive. The walks were never there and once the worm of luck turned, an OBP propped up by a high average plummeted, as did his OPS and wOBA. As of this writing, Theriot's line sat at .274/.320/.333, the punchless components of a .292 wOBA. It is a line uncannily similar to 2010--the season Theriot was set to bounce back from--in which he hit .270/.320/.333, for a .292 wOBA. For the rest of the way, ZiPS projects a .271/.328/.330 line with a .296 wOBA, which feels about right. If it is, Theriot cannot justify starting everyday at shortstop.
Theriot's value is based entirely on his offense, which, in turn, is based entirely on him putting up a hollow .300 batting average. Theriot has seen the 10.7%, 8.2%, and 11.0% walk rates of his Chicago heyday erode precipitously, to 7.5% in 2009, 6.4% in 2010, and 5.5% this season. There is little hope that this will turnaround. Theriot already demonstrates good plate discipline, meaning he does not chase a lot of pitches outside of the strike zone. Even so, he has a horrendous walk rate. This is likely due to the fact that Theriot does not possess the ability to hit for power. If his slugging percentage isn't enough, simply glancing at his spray chart gives one an idea of Theriot's lack of potency with a bat:
If you were the opposing pitcher and you were facing a hitter with this spray chart to his name, wouldn't you challenge him in the strike zone? There is little risk in challenging so slappy a hitter.
Only by the activation of Gerald Laird is Theriot saved from having the Cardinals' worst wOBA. That being said, even the back-up catcher--a position notorious for its lack of offensive output--was but five points behind Theriot entering play on Sunday. Even with this slight wOBA disparity, Laird has been worth 0.1 Fangraphs WAR on the season. Theriot has fallen into negative WAR on the season and, at -0.1 WAR, has the lowest total on the club's 25-man roster. Theriot's WAR total is also the third-worst in the Fangraphs rankings for shortstop WAR.
In so competitive a pennant race, the Cardinals cannot afford dead weight on the roster. Right now, the deadliest weight being drug along by the club as it attempts to win the division is Theriot. A player at once so punchless a hitter, inept a fielder, and poor a baserunner should be easy to upgrade. Let's hope the front office is able to do so, for the Cardinals' playoff chances may hinge on it.
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Furcal?
He’s been bad so far his year in 134 PA, but that might be due to some rotten luck. His BABIP is .208 but his LD% is over 21%.
He won’t hit 600 PA, so his vesting option is a non-issue. With the dodgers financial troubles, we might be able to get him for pittance just by taking on most of his remaining salary (pro-rated 12 M; also due $3M signing bonus in
Jan. ‘12).
He can’t be worse than Theriot, right?
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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 7:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
In division trades almost never work
I recall the cardinals wanting to get someone from Pittsburgh a few years back and them wanting Anthony Reyes in return (it was like a 4th outfielder or something the cardinals just wanted to add for depth and Reyes was at the time our #1 prospect).
Besides, it’s really unlikely they are gonna take the shortstop job from theriot unless he gets hurt so we might as well make peace with it now.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 8:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure. I was just saying that the whole "intradivision" trade thing is overblown
That “issue” only makes sense when a team is trading a player who still has multiple years on a contract. It doesn’t make any sense here when Barmes is on a one-year deal and the Astros are clearly out of it for this year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I imagine they give him up for a Joe Kelly-type as well. Personally, I’d be happy to do this just so I don’t have to watch Theriot’s sorry ass any more. I’d vaguely hoped that tDescalso was going to get the lion’s share of SS starts from now on, and I still think that’s maybe a viable hope. It’s not a long-term solution, and I don’t think his glove is massively better (it’s better, but still not ideal), but he’s surely a better hitter than Theriot.
There is just no excuse for Theriot getting any playing time even if we DON’T add anyone.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm happier with Descalso....
…as our short stop.
Griebenschmaltz!
by The MooCow on Jul 25, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1.
I was worried that he wasn’t athletic enough to play the position, but he’s looked great out there with the glove.
He seems a capable, if unspectacular, hitter as well. He even has a little pop. A decent SS with a strong arm and a fair bat would be a HUGE upgrade if Descalso can provide those attributes.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
he has SS experience in amateur ball.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
What "amateur ball" experience are you referring to? Pony league?
The 12 games he played at SS at Palm Beach in 2008? (BTW, he was horrible during those 12 games – six errors in 49 chances)
He played 2B in high school and 3B at UC Davis.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
don't look at me
they listed out all his positions / levels on the tv. and that was the statement.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying it's more experience than what Mr. Schumaker had when they turned him.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Schumaker a 2B in college
Or am I misremembering?
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was high school
but I could be misremembering that too.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're right.
UCSB’s site lists Jared as an outfielder.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what percentage of players currently in the Major Leagues were drafted at a premium position
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the tv also said he never played SS in the minors
careful what source you use, most don’t think he’s had much SS experience at all.
the minors are not amateur ball.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is Punto definitely out as a SS option?
If not, I’d like to see DD/Punto combo at SS
and Skip/Craig combo at 2B.
I like this a lot
Very good bet to rebound.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only is he our worst offensive player
But we set him up to get the most at-bats each game!
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 25, 2011 7:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He was luckier.
He is basically doing the same thing he has all season: Not walked much, not hit for power, and made decent contact. Any amount of bad luck really crushes a stat line like that because it is totally dependent on balls in play.
Also his defense.
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-a fink
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He may be the weakest link
But I can’t see Mo upgrading the position. Theriot has performed exactly like anyone could have predicted and Mo still acquired him. It’s too bad Tyler Green can’t step up in at major league level.
This.
I can’t see Mo making a trade to replace one of his big offseason acquisitions.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
too bad
finding a taker for erriot at the deadline is my first wish for jmo
i also would be ok with bringing up tg and just putting him out there and let it go at that
would he be worse than erriot?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i disagree
Theriot had a reputation of being an “average” shortstop. With all the errors he hasn’t preformed like an average shortstop. He also was suppose to be a leadoff man who can get on base as a good clip, and while he was doing that for a little bit, his OBP has dropped to .319.
Tony has since been sending out Danny Descalso, a guy who has never played short stop to play. To me, that sends up a flag that TLR doesn’t trust theriot. And therefor, it may be a position they go to upgrade.
Grit != flat out sucking.
In yesterday's pre-game
John Rooney asked LaRussa what he thought of Descalso’s plays made on Saturday at SS. Tony said in response (i’m paraphrasing) “he sure is making it interesting. when it comes to filling out that lineup each day, he gives me real pause.”
FWIW, I think it’s significant and believe that TLR is noticing that Theriot may not be the best option for us at SS.
on Aug. 1st, I look forward to this…
Jay CF
Freese 3B
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Berkman RF
Craig 2B
Molina C
Descalso SS
Wainwright pitcher
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 25, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Recently Tony has seemed to be taking a results-based path towards his lineup
definitely too recently to actually have much of a trend, but it leaves me hopeful.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
So
No Clobby in the lineup?
C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!
by yer dog first on Jul 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
not what I'd prefer
but kind of what I suspect…
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
wat
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he'll be in the lineup
in Chicago (I hope not, but I’m growing more fearful that we’re going to make a stupid trade)
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
August 1st lineup.
Furcal SS
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Berkman RF
Craig 2B
Freese 3B
Molina C
Kuroda P
by rumors on Jul 25, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TOWELS. MULTIPLE.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
Yeah
Kuroda is a guy I’d be interested in too. Making assumptions on what the Dodgers would require, but that’s a name I wouldn’t mind hearing us connected to.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Kuroda wants to stay on the West Coast, and has a full no-trade
From what I’ve read. Think it was Jon Weisman’s “Dodger Thoughts” blog.
Can chase down the ref if I have time this aftn….
YOG
I just remember hearing he didn't want
to be traded to an east coast team. I don’t ever remember seeing that he wanted to only stay on the west coast. I could be wrong though.. it’s happened before.
I'm sure he'd be fine with being traded to a contender.
If anything that no trade clause might make him cost even less than he really costs
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't he serving out his suspension?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Only one game.
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by The Continental on Jul 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
thought it was 2 or something. well dd has only played 2 games at short right?
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
4 since the ASB
(Theriot has played 5 before tonight.)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
thanks
didn’t realize he’d played short that much already
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I can, though it's certainly not a sure thing
TLR lets some things ride during the first half of the year. It always seems like he’s less tolerant of mistakes in the 2nd half.
Hey, keep hope alive.
Free Tyler Greene
In 128 PA’s at Memphis Greene has a slash line of .318/.414/.536/.950. I know he’s earned the reputation of being a AAAA player. But he’s never been given consistent at-bats at the major league level to prove himself. Currently, 2010 stands as the most plate appearances he’s received in St. Louis with 122. In all, he’s had 355 PA’s in the majors spread over a 3 year period. He’s consistently dominated AAA, imho, he deserves a chance for consistent playing time at the major league level. I’m not saying he’s the shortstop of the future or he’ll ever replicate his AAA numbers in St. Louis; however, I think his numbers justify giving him a chance to do so, with regular playing time. He can’t be any worse than Theriot, right? Also, he currently still leads the major league club with 8 steals, and has 8 more in Memphis. There’s been some recent chatter about the club’s inability to steal bases (not that stolen bases are that big of a concern), just another reason to give TG a chance.
one problem with that
Tyler Greene has been given several chances to do so.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
But he's also historically
needed a pretty decent chunk of time to get up to speed at every level through the minors.
A Descalso/Greene platoon at short would be a huge improvement over the current situation. It’s unlikely to happen, but I’d be happy if it did.
that is true
adjusting to coming off the bench isn’t easy for any player.
cough.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Not with regular playing time.
He’s never started for a full month in the big leagues. If Jay’s going to be playing every day, put him at the top of the lineup with Freese in the 2 hole and stick Tyler Greene at SS in the 8 or 9 spot in the lineup every day for a month. What do we have to lose? I don’t think it’s even possible for him to be worse than Ryan Theriot has been the last month.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Greene's biggest problem isn't
that his bat takes time to adjust.
He seems prone to those absolute boneheaded mistakes that drive LaRussa nuts. That’s why ne never gets an extended chance. One thing LaRussa does not tolerate is absent-mindedness on the field.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Yup -- but we keep running the most absent-minded middle infielder in baseball out there every single fucking day.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Theriot isn't absent-minded
he just sucks.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think his stupid, bone-headed mistakes would have grated on Tony enough by now
If Tyler Greene’s bone-headed mistakes when he plays once every 3 months just disgust LaRussa, then how is it that Ryan Theriot’s bone-headed mistakes when he plays EVERY GODDAMN DAY not make Tony want to kick a puppy?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
True
But if we’re talking about trading to upgrade the pitching staff and taking on significant dollars to do so to avoid giving up talent, wouldn’t it make sense to cut our losses with the worst player on our current team first?
Hell, Westbrook probably becomes a bona-fide 3rd starter if you put Greene and Descalso in the middle infield when he pitches.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Good question
Because whoever made the decision to roll the dice with Theriot over J.J. Hardy deserves to be exempted from talent evaluation in the future.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
neither did ryan f. theriot.
hardy was younger and had some upside.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
I would also suggest that,
due to his defensive skill, Hardy also had a lower floor than Theriot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The only thing I can think of
that would have a lower floor than Theriot is someone deciding to carpet the bottom of the ocean
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mistyped.
I meant “higher floor.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
There's a science fiction joke about black holes here somewhere...
but damn if I can find it.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
if you figure it out
there’s always this thread
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
welll
When we traded for Theriot Mo said “He is our starting short stop.” TLR said, "there will be competition in spring training for the starting shortstop. " Later, Mo traded Brendan Ryan. Then Greene failed to do anything worth while in spring training.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I don't remember it that way.
I remember TLR saying Errio was the starting SS.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
testing my memory
timey wimeys
November 30 – Theriot traded for (gawwww)
December 4 – Berkman signed
December 12 – Ryan traded out
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
first mention of rally for boog
so it’s on you, VEB.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
HOnestly
Theriot is ALL on Mo IMO. It’s pretty clear that Boog being moved out was as much about player power as anything (I’m not sure we can put that on TLR, although it did happen in his clubhouse) but Mozeliak had options to add any number of shortstops either by trade or free agency. He chose Theriot. Bad move, as it transpires…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
mlbtr SS free agents
Shortstops
Bobby Crosby (31)
Adam Everett (34)
Cristian Guzman (33)
I tried to find something from earlier, but this is what I got:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/03/the-elite-shortstop-shortage.html
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
(end of 2010 season, obv)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Which makes you wonder all the more
How the Orioles got JJ Hardy for a pair of shitty 6’6" pitchers.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
he passed the language test?
/jaime
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The trade itself was decent:
Theriot wasn’t a horrible bet to bounce back and we needed the MIF insurance since Lopez had imploded the year before. The problem is that instead of betting on Theriot to bounce back as a platoon 2B and backup SS, we installed him as unassailable starting SS and traded away a better and cheaper player.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Exactly.
and without knowing what happened in the clubhouse to get Boog booted out, it’s hard to know exactly how to apportion that blame.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This I agree with
But the thought seemed to be that we were acquiring him to supplant Brendan Ryan, and when Ryan was traded 6 weeks later, that became apparent. The FO acquired Ryan Theriot to be the starting SS, when they could have acquired JJ Hardy to be the starting SS.
Even if we weren’t in the market for a starting SS at the time (suppose Ryan was “the guy”), wouldn’t it make sense to acquire Hardy anyway? Look at it:
- Will make less than $6M (he made $5.1M in 2010 and was due arbitration after a terrible season)
- Costs little to nothing in talent to acquire. (Baltimore got both Hardy and Brendan Harris for what amounts to Brandon Dickson and David Kopp, and I think Dickson and Kopp are actually BETTER than the pitchers the Twins got)
- Will be in a contract year. If he doesn’t play well, he’s signing a vet minimum deal for quite a while. If he plays well, he’ll be the second best SS on the market behind Jose Reyes.
- Will be an above average defender even if he doesn’t hit a lick. The previous two years combined he hit .247/.310/.374, which is basically Brendan Ryan-esque, but with a higher power projection. But his upside was basically what he’s doing this year, which will end up making him a 4 WAR player.
The only advantage to going after Theriot is saving ~$2.5M or so (which was spent on Punto, Batista, and Laird, basically) and not losing 2 crappy non-prospect pitchers in the deal.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
How can you say this?
He makes so many fundamentally unsound plays. Did you see that matador act at 2B yesterday with the game on the line? He wasn’t even in position to put down the tag!
I would’ve gotten pulled in high school for that play, and as a pitcher in college, I would’ve been fuming. He does that shit all the time.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
to me
absent-minded means things like, not knowing the where to be in position, who is covering the bag, where to throw the ball to etc…
Most of theriot issues are just range, not able to catch a ball on hard plays, (like ones were the ball collides with the leather part of his glove.), and not being able to throw a baseball with enough velocity that it reaches first base before the runner.
Grit != flat out sucking.
He's an absent-skilled middle infielder
Big difference.
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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
absent mindedness
I agree it seems TG makes the type of mistakes that drive TLR crazy. As discussed below though, mistakes are mistakes, negative value is negative value. TG might make the type of mistakes that TLR deems inexcusable, and if that’s a case, there’s a larger systemic problem. While I’ve been frustrated at TG’s blunders in the field, it’s as if you can see the frustration on his face, like he knows he’s in trouble and he’s never been able to play with a sense of security. Basically, if he screws up, he’s not going to start anymore, then he screws up and it creates a downward spiral. While he may never put it together, and hasn’t yet to this date, I’m simply advocating for an extended chance to see if his talent can eclipse his perceived “boneheadedness.” He is one of the best athletes in the organization, has excellent speed, power potential, and last but not least, plays shortstop. What does the team have to lose? -.1 WAR, last time I checked.
I've read this before...
I wonder when and over whom
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Agreed. What is there to lose? We know Theriot sucks.
Tyler Greene’s wOBA+s in 2010 and 2011, even as “bad” as he’s been in the limited opportunties he’s gotten, have been 93 and 95.
Theriot’s in 2010 and 2011 have been 94 and 96.
At least Greene has upside, can steal a base, and can make a throw from the hole.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
this kills me
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
At this point, he really can't be any worse than what we have.
Not only that, but if he can translate some of that offense to the MLB level, we’ll have an inexpensive SS on our hands that we can then trade for a minor league reliever so that we can pick up Jason Bartlett off of waivers and start him at SS in 2012. Or maybe I’m getting ahead of myself….
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yes yes yes
i’ve always been (too) high on TG, but i agree with this and what has been said below. he’s never been given consistent playing time. run him out there for a month and see what happens. if he comes even close to what he’s doing in memphis…can you imagine? it would be a HUGE upgrade.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
but
elsewhere she said “iheartdavidfreese” so which will it be?
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been trying to convince her
since Boog went on with the impersonations, “i heart boog” actually hearts the entire team.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
iheartalotofpeople
actually, i don’t heart tyler greene in the same way. i just like him better than theriot and i’m curious to see what he could do, given an adequate opportunity
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
IheartthefacthtatTylerGreenecouldbeadequateincomparisontoRyanTheriotwhosucksballs
doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know what you mean
I like Greene over Theriot, much like I would prefer the the common cold to pneumonia.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, I don't know..
Wait yes I do. FUCK YEAH!
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll be the secretary
so long as i dont have any actual responsibilities
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
If you count repping for Tyler Greene's promotion to the MLB club as an actual responsibility
Then yes you do. That’s pretty much the only requirement.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
cool, i'm in.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Uh I may have to consult with the VP to figure out your exact duties
But your qualifications pretty much speak for themselves. You will get the job and I’ll tell you your requirements later.
So far, just rep Tyler Greene to the ground of getting him into the majors. And if you start a public rally, your salary will quadruple so there’s some incentive for doing that.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it would have to quadruple, since we looked up trying to get permits to gather.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ahahahahahhhahaha
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
was that the public relations officer
the secretary, or the president?
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Public Speaker is think is my title
public relations officer has a nice ring to it.
you should lobby the president.
Tyler Greene update - .319/.412/.531
FREE TYLER GREENE !!
That's wonderful.
I like the stats line in your sig as well.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i submit that in gamethreads when Theriot screws up,
be it in the field, at the plate, or on base all members resound…
FREE TYLER GREENE!! update - .319/.412/.531
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club. Submit applications for memership to the Tyler Greene Fan Club in the daily game thread.
FREE TYLER GREENE!!
/reply fail
FREE TYLER GREENE!! update - .319/.412/.531
Public Relations Officer of the Tyler Greene Fan Club. Submit applications for memership to the Tyler Greene Fan Club in the daily game thread.
Submission granted.
I think we can safely say… that no member will oppose this otherwise they aren’t a true member of the club.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Its good that the birds
have a SS that makes Jeter look like a good defensive SS
talk, talk, talk; when do we eat?
the annoying thing about bgh’s excellent white paper on the situation is that it is old news. I don’t know, in this case, if it is Mo or Tony (or if Theriot has a cache of damaging pictures on one or both of them) who won’t pull the trigger, but this has, now, gone on too long.
Is it Tony? His ‘loyalty’ to players, combined with his mania for keeping everybody involved with (often specious) juggled line-ups.
Or is it Mo? His hands tied in trying to get a replcement player for Tony to use, at a reasonable cost.
OR, for godsakes, are Tony and/or Mo drinking the cool-aid on this? as in, Theriot is not the problem, he’s been ok, he’s been what was expected.
Thank you anyway, bgh, for solid grist on an already condemned mill. Theriot IS the biggest problem we have.
p.s. keep Colby
its only old news to those of us that have figured it out
even yesterday, some posters were continuing to defend him. some people need these things spelled out.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
old and odd
erriot can’t be asked/assigned to play any position other than ss, but everyone else bounces all over?
and its not like he has any record to make one believe he is going anywhere but downhill
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
he'll pencil that in, will he
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The dropoff from Ryan to Theriot...
is going to seem like a tiny step compared to when Jay takes over CF and Rasmus is traded…
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Whoa
Why so down on jay? He has outplayed Rasmus pretty convincingly this year and it’s not really a SSS anymore, he’s hit very well in almost 600 at bats at the ml level.
Comparing the drop off from Brendan Ryan to Ryan theriot to the drop off from Rasmus to jay is just wrong. Jay is a much better player than Ryan theriot and he’s been about as gOod as Rasmus this year, if not better.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just look at Jay's minor league track record...
Rasmus is 24. He put up almost historic numbers as a 23 year old. His age 25-28 seasons in a place where the manager just writes his name on the lineup card and leaves it at that are going to be awesome. Jay meanwhile is going to regress to a 320 babip or so, he’ll continue to walk 6% of the time, and iso will continue to be 100-120… It’ll add up to 280/335/390 while Rasmus is 260/380/500 for Tampa or Boston or the White Sox.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thing is, though: Raz isn't 260/380/500 for St. Louis.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Jul 25, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
hopefully the word missing from your sentence is "yet"
I hope Tony gets him playing time and he can figure things out. i would hate to see him blossom for another team.
youneverknow
My point is: will he EVER reach 260/380/500 with THIS team?
We are so used to players overperforming in St. Louis, or at least performing up to their full potential, that we forget sometimes that it isn’t automatically so.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Jul 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
See the 2010 season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
will he ever do it in a season where his BABIP isn't .50 points higher than his career average?
::runs::
Grit != flat out sucking.
A legitimate question to be sure
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
He did that last year and for the first third of this year...
are you aware of this? Look at yahoo sports or baseball reference or fangraphs. They have his actual numbers. If he did it before and he’s 24, one would surmise that he’s a decent bet to do it again.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Thank you
He has looked pretty awful for a long stretch this year, and I don’t think you can wash all of it away with BABIP. However, last year happened too and it does seem like that has been completely wiped out of manys minds. The narrative has taken root that he can’t fit in here, when he had an OPS+ over 130 at age 23 just last year. I think people remember the airing of dirty laundry on the P-D more than anything.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Honesetly, last year is "almost" wiped out of my mind because
every time you try to discuss THIS year, you get 100 comments of “BABIP OMG.”
Jay gets tarred with the BABIP card much more than Rasmus, IMO.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason I am more worried about Jay's BABIP than Rasmus's,
is Jay’s much lower walk rate. Like Schumaker and Theriot, Jay has his offensive value tied up in hitting for a high batting average. I hope that Jay’s OBP climbs and makes him less dependent on a high batting average, but that doesn’t mean I’m not worried about it going forward.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i like jaybird, but he is not the long term answer in center
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
this is for sure
if Jon Jay is our 4th outfielder until he becomes a free agent, i would be thrilled, but if Jon Jay starts more than 100 games in a year as a Cardinal, i think this team is doing something wrong.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
I mean Jay is a pretty similar offensive player to Skip
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of his value comes from BA, not a lot of power
Yeah I’d probably agree with that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Jay is a lot better hitter than Skip though
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Even out the BABIP for both and they are pretty damn close. Just look at Skip’s first couple of seasons in the bigs.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I know most people don't agree with this
but I think Jay is good at finding the gap when hitting. I suppose one may be able to prove that directional hitting does not exist, but I think it does to some extent. by that I mean being able to find the gaps. plus skip just doesn’t hit any dingers. and of course, Jay is faster and more valuable on defense, probably.
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 26, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
hmm. no, i don't agree.
his spray chart suggests a pretty even spread from foul line to foul line.
however, that is a different kind of skill. by spraying hits all over the place — and my subjective impression and a fairly high LD rate suggest generally hard hit OF balls — there’s really not a good way to defend against him. there’s no shift to put on a guy who hits balls all over the OF.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
ah
interesting point… keeping the defense guessing. random is good in baseball a lot of times.
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
important to note jay's splits aren't nearly as pronounced
skip should never, ever be given a PA against an LHP
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by all4tookie on Jul 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but it's a flawed argument
to post that Rasmus is due to regress to a year where his BABIP was very high, and Jay’s BABIP is set to regress a LOT lower.
I’ll be the first to admit that Jay’s BABIP is due to fall some, but he sports a very nice LD% and has demonstrated through his career both in the majors and minors that he can maintain a pretty hight BABIP.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
The BABIP argument has been beaten to death
But the one thing I will argue is that Rasmus has a lot of power he can tap into when he is right. Some would make the argument that it’s a bit overblown because people look at his numbers that one year in Springfield, and that park inflates. Which is true, but I believe it is cancelled out by his age at the time.
So, no, I don’t see him as a .300 type hitter at any point in his career but I do expect him to be a guy that hits 25-30 balls out of play via the homer many years in his career, with potential still there for a little more at his peak – with enough plate discipline to prop up an OBP.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll be a .250 average guy, but one who can smack 25+ HR per year
with a solid walkrate, and real contact problems leading to a high K rate.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think that Rasmus and Jay will have a similar BABIP going forward?
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus hits a lot of popups and flyballs, and has a generally low-ish LD%
I’d be surprised if he BABIPs as much as Jay going forward.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
he was right about that 2010
So yeah, I see no reason to believe a .880 OPS isn’t very possible in the future.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
[Please don't turn this into a BABIP war people, but...]
His hitting line last year was .276/.361/.498, which is pretty darn close to .260/.380/.500.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
And any way you cut it, Raz was a tremendously valuable guy last year.
The question is whether he will ever be so valuable again — with the Cardinals.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Jul 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The best way to insure he won't be valuable with us is if we get rid of him
I don’t see why he can’t do it again if we keep him. Colby has been an above-average hitter this year rather than a very above average hitter. For a partial season. Players have bad stretches, it happens.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I think I should have use "ensure" instead of "insure"
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
nah, man
i’m taking out a policy on colby’s OPS
by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Well it does help support digestive tract health
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Well by golly gee we really need to take a good hard look at our team next year
Most of those fuckers can’t even get Rasmus’ not valuable 1.5 fWAR.
I’m tired of seeing this same thing.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
DING, DING, DING
Doesn’t matter what Colby does somewhere else, that does not mean he could have, or would have, done it in the Lou.
He did it in 2010...
he did it for a couple of months this year… he’s now in a two month slump… Why would you buy some media narrative instead actual results that occurred just recently?
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
because he just likes being the biggest pessimist in the room
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you really know what you're talking about here...
Rasmus has 1500 career plate appearances through his age 24 season and a 110 ops+ playing CF. That’s very good and it’s not a small sample. And of course it “matters” what Rasmus does or would do somewhere else. Performance is more or less transferable throughout baseball.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
OR
Rasmus could continue his slide and Jay could continue to improve.
Before I get started, I will say that I am not on the trade Colby bandwagon.
Small Sample Size alert, because that’s what we have to go on:
Jay’s career OPS is now 20 points higher than Colby’s. At the A ball level, Jay posted an OBP .043 higher than Colby. At high A, Colby’s was .022 higher. At the AA ball level, Colby’s OBP was .012 higher. At AAA, Jay’s was .010 higher. I know I am picking and choosing stats here. Colby’s SLG was through the room compared to Jay, but this season Jay is slugging .040 higher than Colby despite having less home runs (but more per plate appearance). Jay’s OBP this year is also slightly higher than Colby’s OBP from last year – one that everyone in VeB forums was gushing over last year.
When you add in that (according to b-r, at least) Jay’s defense has been 1 run better in both of the last two seasons.
But the slugging and OBP numbers this year aren't really a good argument in favor of Jay
Jay’s massive .353 BABIP is inflating his .311 average, which is inflating his .364 OBP. I don’t know if I’m ready to accept that Jay is a Joey Votto level BABIP hitter, but that’s what he’s approaching this year. Colby had an almost identical .354 BABIP last year. He’s also had way more PAs in his major league career for things to star evening out.
Jay’s production is more dependent on his batting average, because he has a lower ISO than Colby, even this year with his healthy LD%, and a much lower walk rate. He is out “sluggin” Colby only because of his high batting average. He is not a better power hitter than Colby.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t bench Colby in favor of Jay at the moment, but long-term I really don’t see how Jay should be expected to out-hit Colby. BA is the only skill I see that is better than what Colby offers.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
The only person who walks less than Jay is...wait for it...
Ryan Theriot.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Skip doesn't?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I looked this up a few days ago...let me check again
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
With two walks yesterday, Jay pulled ahead of Skippy.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
It can't just be a jay vs Rasmus argument
It has to be “does trading Rasmus for other good players and replacing him with jay make us a better overall team?”.
I’m not advocating just releasing Rasmus because I think jay is better (I don’t, I think he has played better though). But if you can acquire multiple players for Rasmus or just 1 really good player and you have jay to fall back on, that could make the team much more well rounded.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Historically...
players in a slump who are at odds with their manager and who are getting a lot of crap from the fans do not bring their full value in trade. The reasons for this are pretty obvious.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
We don't know if he is at odds with TLR this year.
all accounts seem to point that he is relatively happy in 2011. Admittedly, I don’t pay much attention to that.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
what if the manager likes him?
does this mean we can trade erriot?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I agree with this too
But can we all admit that Jay is almost definitely a long-term downgrade from Colby? Can we just agree to that, folks? Jay is pretty much at the top of his game right now, and Colby is certainly not at the top of his. I know Jay has out-valued Colby is less playing time, but there is luck involved, and it’s not exactly an overwhelming comparison.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Yesterday there seemed to be a small compromise...
people started saying that Jay has “out-resulted” Colby this year. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he outlucked or outplayed, just that the results have been in Jay’s favor so far in 2011. And I don’t know if you can argue that.
Colby showed so much promise last year, I doubt that he has forgot how to hit. And I STILL don’t understand why Jay out-resulting (outplaying or outlucking whatever) means we have to trade Colby. They are both relatively cheap for their performance.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Wow, read that wrong
Thought you said Jay “out-f***ed” Colby this year. Thought you must have a real, real interesting mole in the man-stew there….
Dirty Dan gets everyone dirty...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that's not a mole!!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
oh my.
these are pretty great.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Have spent far too many hours
Laughing and trying to apply these titles to Cardinal players. Like:
Boog: If You Give a Mouse Cocaine
Chris Carpenter: The Little Engine That Killed For Sport
Etc….
"Did I Ever Tell You How Worthless You Are"
Dr Seuss writes on Ryan Theriot.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
"The Cape Lets You Fly, Go Ahead, Jump!"
Shel Silverstien on Ryan Theriot — A book I’d sadly like to see.
or alternately
begin debate on Jay vs Rasmus fielding.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
jay has another 2-3 years at the top of his game
he is only a year older than Colby. He is also under team control throughout those 2-3 years.
But yeah, long-term downgrade.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I meant "top of his game" as in his performance is pretty much as good as we can expect it
I don’t think Jay would hit like this over a full year of PAs in a hypothetical 2011.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
ugh
I hate it when i type out a long reply and it vanishes.
Jay has always been a High BABIP. And like Votto and Ichiro, the one thing Jay does have going for him is his low IFF%. I actually might dive into that more, but as an hypothesis formed by looking at players with a high BABIP on a year to year bases, guys with low IFF% tend to have a higher BABIP. Maybe a fan shot in the next few weeks if I can find time.
Comparing Jay to Rasmus is stupid anyway. Jay is a 4th outfielder. Rasmus is our starting CFer. (the fact that when they both played yesterday, who was in center) I have no issues with sitting Rasmus while Jay is hot and Rasmus can’t hit the side of a barn. But the fix isn’t to trade Rasmus, it’s to get him right again. He can carry a team when he is right, Jay can’t.
Now, I would be willing to trade Rasmus for the right deal, but I’d trade any Cardinal for the right deal.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I LOL'd at
Rasmus can’t hit the side of a barn
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
Bilingual Twitter
I mostly agree...
still, if Jon Jay hits a 430 foot bomb, we’re not talking about how he can’t hit worth a damn the next day.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
but man can he ever walk to that barn.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
walk?
more like a lazy, dispassionate saunter
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
or a stroll.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
not in his slump he cant.
Rasmus has a career BB% of 10%. During his slump it has dropped to a Jon Jayish level of 7%
Grit != flat out sucking.
Such a shitty argument
So Rasmus at his worst is as good as Jay is. It’s not like we can predict slumps, so why would you even use them in an argument?
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
First paragraph is intriguing
And I totally agree with your second and third paragraphs.
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I would definitely like to see someone looks more closely at an IFF%/BABIP relationship
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I can do an econometric regression
with BABIP to see which batting metrics affect it the most.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 25, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that's a most reasonable position to take
Bottom line is the Cards have two solid guys in Rasmus and Jay. Rasmus is the guy who has star potential because of his speed and light-tower power. Jay is a little more of the “you know what you’re getting mold.”
Right now, Jay’s results have been better than Rasmus’s, so play Jay for now, see how Rasmus does in the meantime, and then reevaluate in a few weeks. Spinning him off for a song when his value is low (slump + Unicornian Asshat) does not seem like a wise solution in any way, shape, or form.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Please stop making sense
Your rationality is getting in the way of the screaming about BABIP.
by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jay has 600 plate appearances in the majors
Are you really fucking comparing him to Votto and Ichiro? Really?!?!?!?
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay has a 6.4% walk rate.
If he isn’t hitting .300, he’ll have a hard justifying his place in the lineup. He has a .353 BABIP and is hitting .311. When the BABIP drops, so will his production, and significantly, because he doesn’t work walks. That is my concern.
You’re also not considering their respective ages at each minor-league stop. In A+, Rasmus was 19; Jay was 22. In AA, Jay was 22 and 23; Rasmus was 20. In AAA, Jay was 23 and 24; Rasmus was 21.
Jay’s defense has been only 1 run better—which is essentially the same—yet he has played more innings in the less demanding corner OF positions.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A lot of guys never pan out
Happens every day to guys with just as much talent as Rasmus. And Larussa pretty much did write Rasmus in every day in the first half, but Larussa tends to go results based in the second half and for all Rasmus’ promise and for as well as he played last year, he’s looked bad this year. Jay has earned more playing time and Rasmus hasnt.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Through April and May...
Pujols was hitting what Rasmus has hit over the course of the entire year. Are you going to move Berkman to first and Jay on June 1 because Pujols is opsing 750? Why not? A 32 year old is more likely to be in decline than a 24 year old.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Uh because pujols has a 10 year track record of performance
Rasmus has a track record of minor league dominance.
But yeah, it’s totally the same thing.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't really think either should be benched...
but benching or trading a 24 year old in favor of a demonstrably less talented player is dumb.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Really?
You don’t think it makes sense to bench Rasmus for jay right now because, what, Rasmus has a better pedigree? Bfd, Jay may be “demonstrably less talented” but he’s outperforming Rasmus.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would not ever start Jay over Rasmus...
Rasmus was hitting 280/380/450 at the end of June. In 150 plate appearances since he’s hitting 200/250/370.
This is literally what the entire Rasmus affair is about. A 24 year old player with a track record of amazingly good results has had 150 plate appearances of 200/250/370. Anyone who understands the nature of baseball shouldn’t even bat an eye over this.
Rasmus slugged 550 as a 20 year old in AA. He hit 280/360/500 in the majors as a 23 year old. Jim Edmonds played for Vancouver when he was 23. Bernie WIlliams was in Columbus. Kirby Puckett was playing in Visalia. Ray Lankford was in Louisville. Willie McGee opsed 700 with the Cardinals. Ken Griffey hit 300/400/600. When a player has to be better than a bunch of HOFers or near HOFers and match Ken Griffey Jr’s numbers to keep the dogs off him, you know there’s an expectation problem.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Expectation Problem: The Colby Rasmus Story"
A James Cameron Film*
(*Because you know it’ll be both super over-the-top and somehow preachy in a way that is kind of insulting to our intelligence)
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It's an expectation problem + a recency bias
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Well, couldn't recency bias in general be part of a broader problem with expectations?
It’s unreasonable to expect players to not have slumps, even relatively prolonged ones. Players aren’t metronomes.
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Except for Alber...
oh, wait, …. carry on.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
At least it's not Michael Bay
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If Michael Bay made it it would at least be enjoyable.
Heavy on explosions, light on ham-handed lessons for humanity.
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Albert would literally be a machine
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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Albertus Prime.
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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Eh... I'm not so sure about this.
Sleeping would have been better than having to watch a 150 minute movie on Transformers 3.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm
Caveat: I have seen neither of the Transformers sequels.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Well, a lot of people I know liked it.
But like for instance one guy liked it with the caveat of it not having enough hot chicks. So yeah… that probably gives you a good idea of the amount of intellect this movie uses.
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
so is
Signing Carlos Silva.
In other news…Ride the hot hand.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
riding the hot hand, unless there is evidence that there's a reason for the hand being hot, is terrible
policy.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
There have been dozens of economic studies that deny the "hot hand" existing
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This
bugs the shit out of me. People bemoan Jay’s high BABIP (hot hand) and say it is bound to regress. So why is riding that a horrible policy? I’m not advocating trading Colby but geez he’s playing like shit right now. Past results aren’t going to help win a baseball game tonight. They provide a great frame of reference that says he’s bound to break out sometime so you should play him but if someone else is playing better, your going to make him sit because you have Colby Rasmus on your team? Rasmus needs to understand that he is now competing for playing time and he’s got to go out and earn it.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
It's a horrible policy because of the gambler's fallacy
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Please stop comparing the gambler's fallacy
to individuals playing sports, especially individuals playing sports over short periods of time. It is simplistic and wrong.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Gambler's fallacy was actually the wrong logical fallacy to use there
But it’s not irrelevant to sports, as you claim
But it actually is a horrible policy to ride the hot hand
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Why?
I’ll agree that we probably overestimate the degree to which players get “hot” or “cold,” but there’s a coherent causative explanation for how someone performing a complex, skill-based task can “put things together” well for a certain period of time to perform above their long-term norm (or vice-versa). Do you have evidence that’s not the case?
You're ignoring randomness...
which plays a significant role in short term fluctuations of performance.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I'm not ignoring it
that’s why I said we overestimate the degree to which players have actual “streaks.”
But saying that there is no such thing, full stop, is taking things too far, unless you’ve got a compelling presentation to show that the degree of clustering you see in player performance is no greater than we’d expect from a randomly distributed sample.
...
That’s one I had to read in a game theory class. I’m too lazy to find more, but there’s lots out there
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You know this is not the gambler's fallacy, right?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No I didn't know that
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Thanks, that was an interesting read
I’m not completely convinced, but it makes a good case that the randomness involved is more than I was factoring for.
I’d be interested to see the same analysis performed for baseball specifically (there’s a bit of a difference between repeating the task in quick succession and repeating it over a period of weeks and months, with time to adjust and practice your approach). I’ll have to try and look that up later.
Chapter 2 of the Book is exclusively on streaks and
their predictive value:
http://www.insidethebook.com/c02.shtml
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...
there’s a coherent causative explanation for how someone performing a complex, skill-based task can "put things together" well for a certain period of time to perform above their long-term norm (or vice-versa).
Sure, but most of the time, it can be explained away by BABIP fluctuation. Some days, some weeks, the ball just happens to fall in more than other days. Like I said, there have been dozens of economic studies denouncing the hot hand myth. It’s probably just randomness.
Therefore, you play whoever has the higher expected wOBA. At this point, that actually might be Jon Jay, but if you believe that Colby is the better hitter and that Jon Jay is just a “hot hand” for a few weeks, then Colby should be getting the bulk of the playing time
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Whether it's "irrelevant to sports" is a different question than whether
one should use it in an analogy to describe “individuals playing sports, especially individuals playing sports over short periods of time.”
The fundamental problem is that the gambler’s fallacy is based on fixed set of odds/circumstances that NEVER change. That is clearly and obviously not the case with “individuals playing sports, especially individuals playing sports over short periods of time.”
It’s just a bad analogy. At best, it is a simplistic one that breaks down in this context almost immediately.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It is very rare for a player's true talent level to change, yes?
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Have you ever heard of a guy named Bautista?
Also, have you ever heard of a guy hitting 30 homes in the first half and 10 in the second half? If that was a player on your team, would you change how you played him in the last week of the season?
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Jul 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Data point of one
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...
riding the hot hand, unless there is evidence that there’s a reason for the hand being hot, is terrible policy.
He apparently had major changes to his swing and philosophy. This is well known.
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Well sure,
but I don’t think this is the thing we’re debating. What we’re debating is the “evidence” portion, and when dealing with sample sizes this small it’s very tough to prove either way.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Okay so it happened once.
That’s pretty rare.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Your question doesn't get to the point, and is also vague.
“True talent” means what in this context?
The baseline talent in a particular skill (e.g., a player’s hitting ability) if you assume they make no changes to their approach/mechanics and assume no change in approach or “true talent” of the pitcher?
What if I change the hitter, make him older, bigger, stronger, give him a new approach and/or swing, and I change pitchers and the way pitchers pitch him?
Bottom line, I will go back to my original point – the gambler’s fallacy, which is mentioned repeatedly around here – is simply the wrong one to use in this context. And, the “hot hand” fallacy, while it could be relevant in some (few) baseball contexts, is usually not, because the baseline parameters of the “experiment” are constantly changing, therefore one never knows if the fallacy exists.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So who
would you start in CF tonight? Jay or Rasmus?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
For me, Rasmus.
I would not trade either player, and Jay woud be my primary 4th outfielder (and get lots of at-bats as other players rest, get hurt, defensive replacement for Berkman, pinch hitting opps, etc.).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's another good point to be made here
It’s nice to have both Jay and Rasmus around. And resting Berk more would mean more playing time for Jay.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Although
once Craig gets back, he becomes a logical replacement to let us rest Berk against lefties. Unless he’s becoming a second-baseman. Sigh…do fans of other clubs have difficulty telling whether players are infielders or outfielders?
and you bring up the other point
when Berkman rests, it should most often be vs. a lefty but since Jay and Rasmus are both lefties…
The most right-handed-hitting heavy lineup we could field would be Craig in the OF, Punto at 2B, and (ugh!) Erriot at SS.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
things will be much better when craig returns
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I'll be the first to admit my
ignorance so I’ll ask this question anyway. Are you basing this answer on the sample sizes each (jay and rasmus) have provided with their body of work and you believe, at the end of the season, that Rasmus will perform better than Jay? I think I understand that you think slumps and streaks are all part of the deal and that the final outcome will be in line with his historical performance?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
By the way, please continue to ask questions
They’re thought provoking and make us reinforce why we believe what we do as well
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Honestly
I do think Rasmus is better overall but Jay is better right now. I just don’t get why you don’t play the lucky (BABIP) guy for a while.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
Just because he has gotten lucky doesn't mean that he will continue to be lucky
It would be foolish to bet on that fact, so you go with the better player
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Okay
then why even bother pointing to BABIP? If it gives you a picture of luck? It doesn’t matter. Play the better player based off Projections? WAR? Whatever?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
I think the better practice is to try to determine
whether there is a reason for the BABIP to be low. A low LD%? A high IFFB%? A lot of home runs? Is the BABIP in line with his career numbers or the league’s average BABIP?
If the player has a high LD%, a low IFFB%, and is hitting worse than his career BABIP and league avg. BABIP – then we might say that he is simply hitting the ball “right at people” and that his “slump” is a function of bad luck. If that’s the case, we should not expect the “worse” player to outperform the better player going forward and there’s no reason to prefer the “luckier,” worse player. The trick is to determine whether the bad performance is “luck”-based or there is a “reason” for it – and, of course, the problem is that it may be a constantly changing mixture of both.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If you get pocket aces one hand,
and then you get pocket aces the second hand, your third hand is just as likely to be shitty as your opponent’s hand.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
I picked Rasmus because he hit a home run yesterday and he is "hot!" (j/k)
I’m basing this on the info that I have (while acknowledging that I don’t have info about how tired a player is, whether he’s injured, whether he’s feeling comfortable/uncomfortable with his swing, I haven’t looked at pitching matchups, etc.).
IMO, Rasmus is a better player than Jay, today and long-term. I think Ramsus hits for more power, takes more walks, plays slightly better defense, and is a better baserunner. Basically, I think Jay is a fine player, but that Rasmus is better. In the absence of knowing what’s in the first paragraph of this post, I think Rasmus should start.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
well, i got news for them
hot hands do exist
in fact, they are statistically inevitable
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
...uhhhhhhh
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They are inevitable.
They just inevitably end and cold streaks inevitably turn to hot streaks and it’s all unpredictable.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
didn't say they were predictable, just that they exist
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
They exist
But are more than likely statistical noise
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I have a bit of a problem with this notion, to be honest
I think it’s very hard to “prove” that streaks are not to some extent predictive. I’m not necessarily sure which side of the argument I fall on, but those who say “it has been proven that streaks in baseball are not predictive in any way” have some way to go to convince me. The work I’ve seen on this is deeply flawed and frankly I think the notion itself somewhat stretches the bounds of a credible hypothesis.
I wouldn’t pick a team overly based on recent performance, but that said, I also feel you’re setting a dangerous precedent (something that is often forgotten in this argument) by saying that the most talented players (in terms of true talent level) start every game, regardless of recent performance; that could serve, in certain situations, as a serious disincentive to players trying their hardest, which I’m pretty sure you want to minimise as a manager. So, in summary, streaks probably don’t matter all that much from a future performance point of view, but I find it hard to believe that they don’t matter AT ALL, and I think picking the team based to some extent on recent performance is basically the right thing to do.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
have there been studies done in baseball specifically?
i would imagine that batting in baseball would be more likely to exhibit a “hot hand” effect due to the complexities of the swing mechanics- getting your swing in precisely the right place could cause one.
that being said, i have read at least three studies denying the hot hand effect in basketball, and i suppose the basketball shot motion is pretty complex as well.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
I can't imagine it's much different
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yup
i figured as much. i was just wondering if you knew of any baseball-specific studies- but i will just go read The Book.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
I've never done that, actually
I probably should…
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The fact that the swing is complex,
doesn’t make it any more likely to hold together for longer of explode sooner or coalesce more slowly or quickly.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
What about lukewarm hands?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you know what they say about hands....
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
where's Dick Pole?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Well yeah
You ever hit a foul ball with cold hands? Hurts like shit
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or right off the handle when it's cold... one of the most uniquely painful things i have ever felt
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
BS - colby, as has been well documented, was on a god-almighty bad slump.
then he hit a single and a homer. that’s an anecdote and not “proof,” but sometimes people appreciate anecdotes more. more elaborate studies show that slumps and streaks do not predict future performance.
there’s very little that’s predictive about being 0-27.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
So if
you were the manager, you would start a slumping Colby over a streaky Jay because if Colby plays to his potential he is better than Jay right? Because game to game results aren’t predictive?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
If you think Colby is a better true talent hitter, sure
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I have a hard time with this
mentality. (Not that it is bad or anything.) It’s that on one hand you point to all these statistics that say in the long run Colby is a better player. (which I agree with.) Take a 2 month long sample and prove that Jay is actually playing better than Colby right now. Point to same statistics to say Jay is playing over his head and Colby is slumping. Then say statistics aren’t predictive gameday and it comes down to talent. So TLR should play Colby from a long term statistical probability that he is the better player and more talented. I hope I got that covered.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
I do think this
But I also think that Rick Ankiel is the best pitching prospect I’ve ever seen. But he never got to his ‘true talent level’ in the major leagues. This is the thing that is everyone’s concern: That Rasmus never gets to his true talent level except for 3-5 weeks at a time before going in a slump so bad that he makes you miss Eli Marrero.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i think Rick Ankiel was about as close to "perfect pitching prospect" as you can get
Nineteen year old lefty in the high minors he struck out 12.7/9(!!!!) It never ceases to amaze me. But the warning signs were there. In his banner year he walked 4.1/9. So sad.
Frankly, this is where coaching comes in.
You have to talk to Rasmus to make sure that 1. He is not injured and 2. That there is not some other problem, but if it is the case that Rasmus is fine, then you play Rasmus.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Yeah, it's always possible Rasmus really is just playing badly, or whatever
Maybe something hurts or he admits he isn’t recognizing pitches as well. Or something? I dunno. I’m kinda grasping here.
Colby did recently say something like, “I have no idea what’s not working” didn’t he?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
It seems like luck to me.
His line is almost entirely varying on BABIP, but it’s important to make sure that he knows he can get help or rest if he needs it.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
and a psychologist
many have the physical, but not the mental/emotional make up to succeed
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Um, it kinda depends on how you go 0-27 though right?
If you go 0-27 with 27 strikeouts, you might have lost your ability to see. Therefore, you’re not likely to ever get out of that slump. Extreme example, but you take my point.
Ryan Theriot is a prime example. He had a good month of April. Ever since then, his LD% has gone on downward slope while his GB% and FB% have gone up. This isn’t a slump that he seems likely to “come out of” unless those things resurrect themselves. Therefore, I don’t think that his .190 BABIP is really “unlucky”, it’s somewhat unlucky, but also something we would expect from someone who’s hitting a lot of ground balls and fly balls but has only one home run.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'm fine with Tony giving Jay some increased playing time while Rasmus struggles
However, I would hope that Rasmus does get opportunities to play his way back to being in the lineup almost every day.
Trading Rasmus is the only part of this whole saga that I would have a real problem with.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
yesterday would have to help.
he scorched the ball.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
That home run was a laser
Did it leave the stadium? It was out of there so quick.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
The dropoff between Brendan and Theriot has been
2.1 WAR
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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Vogelsong? Franklin? Dempster? Theriot? Brendan?
B.J.? Jackson? Doumit? Ludwick? Raburn? Rowland-Smith?
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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Once a player goes negative WAR after the all star break
he should just be released.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Place him on waivers.
Maybe someone bites.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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Descalso can play a passable SS
If you cut Theriot there’s room for Tyler Greene, who is at least decent defensively even if he only gets two hits every 20 PA’s and strikes out the other 18.
I just don’t see any reason at all to keep a player who is the worst player at his position defensively in the entire big leagues AND someone who continues to lead off after hitting below the Mendoza line for two months.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Wait...slight amendment
SPs who drop under 0 WAR go to the bullpen first, where they are given a few weeks to fix whatever is wrong, otherwise…
Later.
Grit != flat out sucking.
i think we won't need a SP if we get a short stop
Suddenly our short stop isn’t giving away 1.2 outs a game and all of our starters are going deeper into games.
Grit != flat out sucking.
/starts sobbing
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
According to career numbers, the dropoff is .3 WAR
Jay has a career .352 BABIP, Rasmus has a career .307 BABIP. Jay is one year older than Rasmus. Jay was not nearly as highly regarded as a prospect.
I think the dropoff is bound to be close to 2 WAR.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This should be a thread dedicated
to bashing the hell out of Ryan Theriot! How did it turn to a Celebrity Deathmatch between Rasmus and Jay?
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because Theriot has been bashed over and over and over and over and over and over
Rasmus/Jay? Only over and over.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
This is accurate
But the Rasmus/Jay this is approaching more “overs” quickly. Gotta love those false choice narratives!
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Is this team going to keep Boog or will it have good clubhouse chemistry?
Does John Mozeliak want to win or is he going to keep Miller and Martinez?
Will Tony Larussa have a glass of wine or adopt an animal?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
What the hell would Strauss write about if it weren't for false choice narratives?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
He'd be so desperate for material he'd probably just come out with a list of people who don't like him.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Dunno 'bout that....
…there will be a drop-off, but nothing like Ryan to Theriot. Jay is a very capable CF and a decent hitter.
Griebenschmaltz!
well, the idea is we'd get some sort of fair return for Rasmus
Seeing as we have 2 capable CFs, I would not mind turning Rasmus into a MIF or SP of himself. My biggest reservation with trading Rasmus is we probably wouldn’t get fair value.
I dunno
looks like the dropoff from Boog to Theriot is about 2 wins (Boog looks like an average shortstop, albeit a glove-first guy; Theriot is replacement level). I think the dropoff from Colby (who’s maybe a 4 WAR player right now, with a bit more upside) to Jay (who’s a 2 WAR player, probably) is about equivalent.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Descalso
The web gem to end the game Saturday was fantastic. I was at the game and he made a few plays that had Pirates fans asking who he was and complimenting him.
Over the rest of the season is it possible he would have more value there than Theriot?
To further that
What would the value be of a Descalso(SS)/Craig (2B) tandem be vs Theriot/Schu the rest of the way? Craig made his first rehab start at Memphis playing 2B.
Started in LF yesterday, though.
They are preparing Craig to be that rarity, a slugging utility man.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Jul 25, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Ty Wigginton
with more pop and a better average?
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
mark derosa with an un-sploded wrist.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
rehab start at second, eh? that is excellent news.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I think it's inevitable that Descalso would be more valuable than Theriot over the rest of the season at SS.
Theriot has officially entered the territory of Franktista by blowing so many games.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
besides, he might retire rather than move from Cali
he’s shifted into supporting his wife’s career, last I heard.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
*pukes*
God I hated him.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Because lots of people thought he was better than he actually was? He was a surprisingly OK player when he was a Cardinal.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I dislike the theory of David Eckstein, not the actual David Eckstein.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
The former
I actually don’t know why I hated him. I think I really hated the fact that everybody gave him credit for stuff that literally everybody else does. I wasn’t aware that was a thing at the time though, but it may have just been me noticing all the love he got.
I was pretty bitter over the Scott Rolen-snubbing of the WS MVP. Although not that bitter since, you know, we won the World Series.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that
But this means that you don’t really hate David Eckstein. You hate stuff that a bunch of people other than him did.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
it's not like he was bosnian
oh i went there and i should not have
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah that's probably right.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Yadi deserved the MVP
Rolen second and maybe Eckstein third, I also think the WS MVP should be changed into a postseason MVP to reflect who helped the most over that timeframe not just the one series.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Eckstein's two biggest hits were miscues by the outfield.
And I believe Rolen just played better.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
david eckstein was the inspiration for many great FJM posts
and for that, you should love him.
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Tony at least seems to be figuring this out
Didn’t descalso start something like 4 of the last 7 games at short? (one was for theriot’s suspension but this is still a good trend).
Larussa has always coveted offense over defense and theriot is down to a 319 obp so I have to think la russa knows this and is going to start trying other players there
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 8:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
To Theriot's credit though
His .319 OBP is exactly average according to Fangraphs. That is the only thing he is doing in a cromulent way.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Ian Desmond
We know Washington covets a centerfielder and recent rumors are they are shopping Desmond due to their triple a shortstop hitting well and their gm is said to love him. If they are down on Desmond right now I wouldn’t be surprised if the cardinals could get zimmermann and Desmond for Rasmus.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 9:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Which Zimmerman?
Ryan Zimmerman? No fucking way are they trading him. No. Way.
Jordan Zimmerman? Highly unlikely that they’re trading him either — he factors into their rotation as a #2 or #3 guy behind Strasburg for 4-5 more seasons.
I’m not even all that interested in Desmond either. Part of the reason they’re looking at replacing him is that he’s hitting worse than Ryan Theriot. So why would we give up talent for him?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Zimmermann = the pitcher
Zimmerman = the 3B
and i agree with desmond. he’s boog if boog were an average defender
The nationals are considering trading "the mOon" for a cf
To me Rasmus for zimmermann (2 n’s is the pitcher) is a pretty good deal. Same age, same salary, same years of team control remaining. If you can get Desmond in there (he’s struggled but he ops’d .700 last year as what, a 21 year old?) that’s a much better trade than Edwin Jackson and Matt Thornton or whatever the hell is floating around now.
I’m not saying trade Rasmus for the sake of trading him, but I’ll deal anyone for the right package.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd make that trade....
…Adding the Zim would way strengthen the rotation and push KMac to the pen; Jay’s take over in CF is drop, but not a giant one, from Raz.
Griebenschmaltz!
This is the kind of trade I could tolerate
we need to significantly strengthen some part of the team for several years if we’re giving up a valuable young player. If we could nab those two for, say, Rasmus plus a B or C prospect, I’d be ambivalent, but not furious.
This is a great trade for us.
It allows us to take a flier on a SS that could possibly turn into something decent while we get a really good SP this year who can be our best pitcher for some time to come as well.
There is no way in hell the Nationals go for this without us throwing in some significant additional value.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
I don't see why they would make that deal.
Certainly Zimmermann has more value than Rasmus going forward, especially when you consider that Jayson Werth can play CF (although he probably shouldn’t), and that there are various FA available at the end of the season to fill that role. Hell, it’s possible that Harper would even play CF by the middle of next season if he gets the call up.
I don’t know why anyone would trade a #2 starter for a slighty-better-than-average-defensively CF who’s hitting .200 since June 1st.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Someone needs an update on the name-spellings of the Zimmermen(n)
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: (pending update)
I did that once but made the mistake
of only posting the separate pictures. I should have made an actual gif.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i would absolutely make this trade-
but the Washington GM would not. sorry. why on earth would they trade Jordan Zimmermann for a struggling CF, when they will need a pitcher just like him to contend in the future?
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
How about Espinosa as a possible option?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably already discussed, but...
Cardinals rumored to be pursuing Jeremy Guthrie
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Is a 4.30 xFIP guy in the AL East really a yuck?
I mean, it’s a yuck if we give up a lot for him, but he seems like a useful arm.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: (pending update)
He'd be great for 10 starts...
then he’d be a free agent. Not quite the return I’d like to see for #41player
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I didn't realize he was a rental
OKAY SCREW THAT JUST GET RICH HARDEN INSTEAD
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
best thing about Guthrie,
is he wouldn’t cost us Colby (at least he shouldn’t).
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
always seemed to some extent like an ERA mirage to me. ZiPS and his current xFIP and FIP don’t seem to suggest he’d be a massive upgrade over KMac. So – maybe a 0.5 WAR upgrade over the 8 or so starts he’d make? And he’s not guaranteed to be in a post-season rotation either, which is a big issue if we’re trading for a starter right now. Even in a close pennant race, not sure that’s worth very much.
I’d rather get someone who’ll cost no significant prospects to be our 5th starter, stand pat, or actually aim for someone who might be a bigger upgrade like Kuroda, or even Vazquez.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the White Sox actually have any "young talent" that would make trading Colby palatable?
Because Jackson and Thornton are a pu pu platter with a side of dung beetle.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Jul 25, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
We need to go for a top prospect for Rasmus...
someone like Sale or Hellickson or Cosart.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
....and he plays for the Tigers
….and he led the American League in K’s last year while hitting only 4 home runs.
Do. Not. Want.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I dunno
There’s a lot of players on the Tigers that I’d like to have.
There’s, like, two players on the White Sox that I’d like to have, lol.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You should consider Berkman in your sig, mate.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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Next season,
the question is appropriate, since either Berkman or Pujols will be gone.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not sure I get what you mean about Thornton
He’s excellent. He’s just way overpaid.
Didn't mean to imply he's a bad player.
That would just be a terrible return for Colby.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Jul 25, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He's excellent
but 5.5 million a year for a reliever in Cardinals land is a closer, not a LOOGY. On top of that he’s going to be 35 soon.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, he's in his 30s and his K rate has nosedived this year
he’s probably still one of the better lefty relievers in baseball, but year 3 of that deal could be ugly.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not young?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
No
This was discussed yesterday. Ramirez’s contract following this season:
12:$5M, 13:$7M, 14:$9.5M, 15:$10M, 16:$10M club option ($1M buyout)
And he will turn 30 in two months.
I agree that the contract situation wouldn't be ideal for the future
But it would set us up really well for the rest of this season at least… and if Pujols leaves, y’know…
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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That's not too bad
the 2015 is the only year that worries me. He’s a pretty good player, and probably provides surplus value for the first couple of years.
But anyway, I don’t understand the WhiteSox rumors – they’re in a pennant race and I can’t see why they’d trade an important piece of their rotation (Jackson) or their starting SS.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Check Future Redbirds this afternoon.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Sometime back
before the season started and after the Cards had acquired Theriot, somebody posted on this site a comment that said something like, “Good luck if you try to throw a runner out at second base. I have never seen him catch a throw from the catcher on a steal attempt.”
I thought it was an odd comment at the time but it turned out he was a prophet of Bibical proportions. That was the most feeble Little League attempt at blocking that ball yesterday that I have seen in a long time in a major league game
The Cards cannot win the division with Theroit at short.
.
The first throw into center was Theriot's fault, too!
Laird double pumped until Theriot got anywhere close to the bag, then threw the ball past Theriot in a last-ditch effort to get the runner.
Ehh I dunno.
A’s a catcher you’re always taught to just throw the ball at the base, not at your teammate. He should have just come up and thrown it immediately and you have to trust your ss will be there when the ball is. If you are gonna double pump just don’t even bother throwing it because it’s never going to be a good throw.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
THIS.
That was a truely pathetic effort to block that ball from going into cernterfield. The “Little League” description you used is perfect.
Oh for god's sake
It was a bad play, but that’s not home plate. You can’t put your chest in front of the ball and then magically get your body out of the way and apply the tag. You have to set up like that so you can apply the tag.
He just screwed up.
This
Some of the stuff that Theriot gets criticized for, and how he gets criticized for it, is crazy.
It's not crazy at all.
When Theriot continues to fuck up routine plays it is not out of order to criticize him for it. Theriot has done MORE than enough to deserve the bashing he gets around here.
Are you kidding me?
You’ve got to be kidding me.
Have you seen the man play a game since April? I’m starting to wonder.
In the 10th inning of a game on the road, the one thing you CANNOT DO AS A MIDDLE INFIELDER
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
...
is let the ball get by you in CF on a steal attempt with less than two outs. It’s more important than just about anything else on that play. And he didn’t do that. Theriot looked like he was playing matador with that ball. Get your fucking body in front of it and knock it down, nancy-boy. The runner moving to third base with nobody out leads to a run expectancy of about 80% in a traditional situation. In extra innings? It’s probably closer to 90%. So, Theriot letting that ball get into CF raised the expectation of a run by about 50%.
It was the worst possible play of the game.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
what he said
Theriot did that twice!!!! in the same game. Unreal. Every infielder knows they’re supposed to get in front of the goddamn ball. Even if you don’t get the out, keeping the ball on the infield means the runner can’t take the extra base, which takes away the sac fly.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Wasn't there one out? Paul was the second batter of the inning, right?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If Theriot had any redeeming qualities, he might get less flack,
but even worse, it’s not as though his defensive problems are rare or unpredictable: He missed the ball twice at second without even knocking it down. His arm costs us double plays in almost every game. He doesn’t make the plays he gets to, and he gets to less balls than most shortstops.
How is it crazy to criticize him for not making plays that are utterly routine, or for repeatedly making the same mistakes?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
it's not the criticism
It’s “how” as Stanley1 pointed out. “pathetic” and “little league” as descriptions are just silly. He made an error. It wasn’t little league.
Albert had an easy out on an easier play and screwed up. If he doesn’t screw up, the Theriot play doesn’t happen.
The description may be unkind, but I don't see how it's inaccurate.
If Theriot were getting screwed on bad hops or unlucky on calls or just making an error now and then, that would be one thing. The fact is, his defense simply is not major league caliber. He costs the team outs every single game. It is pathetic.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Yep
At least Theriot, IMO, isn’t making a bunch of errors and stuff b/c he is lazy, or just “baseball dumb”.
As for his playing time, he HAS been playing a lot less in recent weeks. If Punto were healthy, he’d probably be playing even less. But b/c DD makes a few great plays at SS, nobody questions his defense when he lets a groundball eat him up, or makes a terrible throw to 1B. Both of which happened in the last 5 games or so.
Theriot is the worst SS in the league.
Who gives a shit if he doesn’t make errors because he is lazy or “baseball dumb” and just because he sucks?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
For sucking.....
He sure has convinced a lot of ML managers and GM’s that he is worthy of starting.
And why do we not expect his defense to get back in line with his past seasons? He’s already made more errors this season than in any other. His fielding percentage is the lowest of any season. Don’t go quoting me any defensive metrics, I don’t care. We all knew his range/arm would be average at best, likely slightly below average. What we didn’t expect were the errors on routine plays. Looking at his past seasons, I see no reason to believe he won’t turn it around. If he’d just cut out the stupid errors, his defense would be perfectly acceptable. And for several weeks, he had done just that.
I used to think like you
but now I don’t anymore.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Actually, he has been able to convince two (about to be three)
different organizations that he is not a ML shortstop. One of those teams demoted him for a 20 year old, and the other one played a guy who had scarcely played shortstop instead of Theriot. Sound familiar?
Last year it was Jamie Carroll. This year it will be Dan Descalso.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
And the guys who moved him from SS are two of Tony's best friends!
You think they would have warned him!
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
i've never considered "making routine plays"
to really be much of a positive. To me, that should be the absolute minimum standard.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
There's a reason they're called "routine."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
many people considered experts use that often as a positive...
my response is usually: “well so did I, when I was 8”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I agree with you,
that making the routine play should be the absolute minimum one should expect from a MLB player.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
so hey
if there’s anyone at BCB varsity
they’re ROFL their asses off, right?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
We sure were
when Miles went to the Cubs. If they aren’t laughing, they aren’t paying attention.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 25, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
then he came back.
Miles did a pretty good job of double-agent, though.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's so sneaky, because he's pocket-sized
A simple google of Aaron Miles rendered me this and it made me laugh (LINK because it’s so big)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
This is the baseball version of the
NFL QB who “manages games” for their team.
Why would I want a QB that can “manage a game” for me? That’s just a nice way of saying that he can’t “win a game” for me.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
The whole Dilfer thing is such a bunch of shit
He only started 8 games for that 2000 Ravens team. Brian Billick was trying to replace him all season. They drafted Chris Redman the year before and started Tony Banks for 8 games, and he might be the worst starting QB not named JaMarcus Russell in the last decade.
Not only that, their entire post-season run was based on luck. If Tony Siragusa doesn’t flatten Rich Gannon in the first half of the playoff game with the Raiders, the Raiders have a good shot at winning that game. The Baltimore defense was the best we’ve seen in a long time, but Brian Billick would have dumped Trent Dilfer for just about any QB in the league who could complete a 10 yard out had he been given the opportunity.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
looking at his present performance
I see no reason to believe he will revert to past performance and “turn it around”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
As bgh wrote above, he is basically replicating last season.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
I was referencing Stanley's comment
that he would “turn it around.” He is what he is. There is nothing to turn around.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yeah.
I’m not sure how much we need to repeat this, but there really just isn’t much evidence that Theriot is someone other than who he has been for the last two years.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
he convinced his last two managers he should be moved off SS to second base.
he convinced his last two clubs that he should be traded for a bag of peanuts.
appeals to authority are not very convincing, but you should at least do them right when you do them.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
Stanley, I like your opinions here.
There is too much groupthink and they add good, baseball-related discussion.
But I must disagree. Theriot is absolutely “baseball dumb.” He makes many mental errors (and physical errors) and brings nothing to the table otherwise.
I could tolerate him as a utility player. But he is imsply not a starting-quality SS.
As for Descalso, I agree. People are hopping on the bandwagon of his defense too soon. His first few games there were not good.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he makes a lot of errors and stuff because he is not in any way
even an AVERAGE major league shortstop. He’s just not very good. Period.
by RollBirdsRoll on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the worst kind of compliment.
He’s fucking it up, but at least he’s fucking it up the RIGHT way.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
re "baseball dumb"
did you miss the whole TOOTBLAN thing?
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I didn't say he should have got in front of it.
I am aware that it is not home plate. He could however have used his glove to stop the ball.
He had the reach to get both of the balls that passed him, but he let both of them go to center field.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
He should absolutely get in front of it on that play
Once the throw is in the dirt, the whole idea of tagging the runner goes out the window and you immediately sell out to keep the ball on the infield. The throw sucked, but Theriot’s instincts on that play were mind-numbingly bad.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
not true
if positioned properly a MIF can move to chest up to a bad throw from the catcher
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I need to go back and look at the play.
When I first saw it, it looked like Theriot was too far to the 3B side of the bag to apply the tag. This, IMO, was what made the failure to get in front of the ball so egregious.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That was bad...
…Gotta throw whatever you can in front of that ball.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So i just watched the series of events that lead to the last run yesterday.
Pujols got lazy, I place more of the blame on him than Motte. Colby’s throw wasn’t the best, but that man was going to score.
Not a good throw by Laird, but WHAT THE HELL? Theriot actually looked afraid of the situation. I could almost hear him yelp “EEEEEEEEKKKKK!” as he contorted his body to most aptly miss making the play. There is alot of blame to go around for losing that game. It was a real team effort. It took all of them working together to blow that one.
I’m glad I didn’t see that live, I may have thrown something through the television.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I'm not sure who to blame on that one.
Did Motte have to slow down and wait for the throw? It was in his glove before he hit the bag.
It is possible that Pujols lobbed that throw because Motte was slow to the bag
that one is just a bad play all around.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Motte was there, to my eye.
he was nearly at a stop when the ball got to him. but he had to look up to catch the ball, then look down to see where his foot was, and that was the safe call. Albert made it too fine. Motte’s hustled for all his fielding historically, his usual problem is when his catcher’s reflexes take over.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
look at the rest of the game
I believe there was a Theriot error earlier in the game that lead to a run… if the play had been properly made earlier in the game, we probably would have won the game in 9, instead of losing it in 10. True that this was a team loss, but Theriot still gets 75% of the blame IMO,
by stxcardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I never liked getting in front of the ball on plays like that
That shit hurts! But if I’m getting millions of dollars to do it, you bet your sweet ass I’m blocking that ball at all costs.
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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
With all the comparing
of Jay and Rasmus that has been going on lately. I did see something yesterday that Rasmus can do that Jay can’t and that is to launch a “nodoubter” upper level shot right off the bat.
Didn't Jay
hit one about 450 feet earlier in the year?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
No
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Bastard
Beat me to it. His longest on the year was 422 true distance on 06/23/11, for the lazy.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
(Though, to be fair, Colby's longest on the year is 428, which was somehow a just-enough homer at AT&T Park.)
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Yeah, but in general his home runs travel further
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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No argument from me on that
I have not forgotten this one. 480 feet, true distance.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
his "crushed" one yesterday was only 423
distances are deceiving to me
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Jay has some surprising pop
But, Rasmus hits it way further.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
oh hell yeah
Rasmus has tons more pop (ISO) than Jay. but they are a lot different style of hitter
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, on Rasmus
I am beginning to think that he is just a natural dead pull hitter and has he been messed with too much with advice to “start spraying the ball around more” that has gotten him into a deep funk.
with the number of outs he has been getting lately down the line.
I don’t think that’s the case.
Anyone have a spray chart?
Grit != flat out sucking.
TexasLeaguers.com would have it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
here's a link
TL doesn’t like hot linking (and we know what happens when we hot link a stranger in the Alps).
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
I was writing a fanshot
(this one, about a guy from Peoria trying to find the resting places of Negro League players)
and discovered through auto-complete that there is a tag named “the worst shortstop in baseball history”
tempted to track that down.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
alas! there's nothing in the tag.
someone must have used it then deleted the post. or sbn ate it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Clubhouse or field presence?
I was in favor of trading Ryan, because I thought he was having a bad influence on the team off the field. I still don’t regret him leaving. That is a separate incident. However, Theriot is having a very bad influence on the team attitude on the field!! I can’t imagine a pitcher or catcher wanting to put up with his depressing defense. It would get me down mentally if he made some of those plays and I was playing anywhere on the field. It is time to DFA him and take Descalso or Greene as an improvement to moral.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Jul 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
Jay, Rasmus et al
With respect to Rasmus and Jay, there’s one thing I’m confident is true. Baring injury, Colby Rasmus will have a far, far better career than Jon Jay. Not even comparable. Different orders of magnitude. Whether or not either of these players plays long in St. Louis, I don’t know, but Colby is by far the better player. This is not to diss Jay, who has been at the top of his game this year, and has been a big part of the Cardinals ability to stick with the pack in the Division. I take my hat off to him. But he is what he is – not much of an arm, not terrific speed and very little power. And I suspect we’ve seen the best of him. Not so Rasmus – by a long shot.
You can run the numbers till you’re blue in the face, but in the end you have to look at the game. There is nothing more objective than the final score of any game. Four to three is as objective as it gets. But how you get to the four to three is what makes baseball the greatest game on the planet.
Look at Rasmus, then look at Jay. Run the numbers, sure, but just watch them play over time. Now think: Jay is my centerfielder for the next five years. Then think: Rasmus is my centerfielder for the next five years. Which of those makes sense?
by deweydell on Jul 25, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think anyone is denying Rasmus has more talent than jay
But as I’ve said many times, it’s not just a jay vs Rasmus argument (though a lot of people are trying to make it that for some reason). For it to be a jay vs Rasmus argument we’d have to be advocating outright dumping Rasmus just so jay can play every day, no one is doing that. You have to factor in who we would get in return for Rasmus. If you get a young cost controlled pitcher like one of the many from tampa, then it becomes jay/young pitcher vs Rasmus. Now Rasmus could certainly have more value than the jay/young pitcher combo but I think the jay/young pitcher combo helps the cards much mOre than just Rasmus.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok
I see your point, and it’s well taken. But whether or not Jay/young pitcher is better than Rasmus depends a lot on who that young pitcher is. And it has sort of boiled down to a Jay – Rasmus thing. If Jay were not a Cardinal, this thing would not have the energy it appears to have. Again, I don’t want to diss Jay, I think he’s a decent player, but I don’t believe he is a starting centerfielder for a championship team over time, and Rasmus may be. And I think the rest of baseball sees this as well. Think of this: how many stories have you seen talking about another organizations interest in Jay? There is plenty of interest in Colby. The why of that is what I’m getting at here.
Saying jay isnt a starter for a championship team doesn't really mean much to me
If your rotation is Garcia-carp-lohse-Westbrook-kmac and Rasmus is your cf and you have the worst middle infield in baseball then Rasmus isn’t a starter for a championship team either.
On the flip side, say we trade Rasmus for a pitcher like Jordan zimmermann, hellickson, Brandon beachy. Then you have a rotation of Garcia-carp-young sp-lohse-westy, kmac bolsters the pen, descalso continues to play short and jay plays center. Jay probably is the starter for a championship team.
If you want to compare jay to Rasmus, fine, but you can’t really factor in team performance because there’s so much of that which is out of their hands.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That young SP is already a cardinal- Shelby Miller.
We need MIF help.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Jay reminds me so much of Skip Schumaker
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 25, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Jay can field his position
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
thats pretty insulting to jay
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Pretty much the same player, if you look at Skip two years ago
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
jay seems to be a much better fielder for one. and for two jay’s ISO is consistently considerably higher.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In Skip's first full year of play
He had 594 PA, a 107 wRC+, a .104 ISO and a .328 BABIP. In Jay’s 603 plate appearances he’s had a 118 wRC+, a .126 ISO and a .352 BABIP. And Skip played the outfield that year, and was roughly an average defender.
Jay is a better defender than Skip, and probably a slightly better hitter, but they were similar players.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't that a significant difference in ISO though?
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 26, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
.020 points?
Not really. That’s an extra homerun or two a year.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 26, 2011 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll hit more than 2 home runs more than skip though
/common sense
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, but he hasn't shown a lot more power
11 home runs in a full seasons worth of plate appearances. Only 29 doubles.
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Skip Schumaker is a poor man's Jon Jay.
Slower, less power, worse plate discipline, worse against lefties, worse defense.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
So...early in their careers
Would you say JD Drew or Cliff Floyd would have a better career? I’d have said Drew in a heartbeat. Floyd is in JD Drew’s top 10 comps on B-R. Drew has a shit-ton more talent than Floyd ever could dream of, but Drew just didn’t get it done at the level he was “supposed to.”
According to FanGraphs' WAR
Drew has had a far better career than Floyd. Actually, he’s been about twice as valuable:
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=518&position=OF
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1152&position=OF
by vivaelpujols on Jul 26, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean Drew has been a fucking amazing player
by vivaelpujols on Jul 26, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
borderline HOFer
of course he probably doesn’t even end up on the ballot after year 1.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew is, was, and always has been way better than Cliff Floyd.
Not sure I get the argument here.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
In case anyone is looking...
I have a ton of tickets in section 253 (reg $49) for $20 bucks if anyone is interested… (ptkohm@att.net)
On a related note – Brendan Ryan had a heck of a game yesterday… that barehanded play brought a tear to my eye…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
On another related note... I didn't put the date
Thursday 7:15PM
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
by pattimagee on Jul 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why is colby's face on the sidebar
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
to take yet another lick at this dead horse
I’ve realized what ticks me off most about Joe Strauss’s reporting: he never questions the motivations of his sources.
There’s a bunch of ways to write about sports. You can analyze the stats, do the emotional resonance thing, get inside info and rumors, etc. Strauss does a lot of the rumor-hunting; fine. But he never seems to ask himself, “what is this person’s motivation in telling me this?”
You can do good reporting by building access and getting information leaked to you. People leak information for all sorts of reasons, and a good reporter has to stop and ask him/herself why they’re doing so. Are they jockeying for position in an internal organizational squabble? Floating a rumor to gauge public response? Trying to stir up interest in the team by inciting fan debate? A reporter should at least have a theory as to what’s going on, and incorporate it in how they use the information.
no, no
the dead horse is Brendan Ryan-related things.
the need for unicorns, on the other hand, does not abate as long as js is around.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like his writing, but I can let some of this type of thing slide
Guys like this have to work their ass off just to keep their job. They have to keep up with every wackjob out there who has a twitter or blog account. They’re being paid crap to work longer hours to keep up with the guy who comes home from work, grabs a sandwich, and starts throwing up Rasmus trade ideas on whatever internet outlet he has.
And then, after basement-sandwich guy posts his trade ideas, he grabs the morning paper and starts ripping on whatever was written, since it’s now 12 hours old.
Look at Goold. he produces a LOT of fact checked content. I can’t imagine how many hours that guy is working.
It’s not worth it, IMO, but these guys want to be sports writers.
Is there any reason for me to click that link?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
It is if you want to see the awesome paradox
of Mr. Gordon using the word “logic” in a title to a piece.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
What's it about?
Why yesterday is Colby’s fault for hitting lazy homers instead of screaming and ripping his clothes off while throwing to the plate?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Oh, I dunno
I didn’t read it.
The title was “How Outfield Depth Makes Rasmus Trade Logical”.
Then: By Jeff Gordon
Nothing Jeff Gordon has ever said is “logical”, so why the hell would I read that?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It's a telling sign that no one sees Jay
as a trade option to get us a SP or MIF. I think we should try to sell high, but I don’t see Jay having many takers.
I dunno about that
Teams seem to be interested in BJ Upton, and I can’t see why Jon Jay isn’t at least his equal at this point in their careers.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
come on
BJ Upton has more speed, better defense, and a lot more power. Upton has close to the value of Rasmus. Jay has a lot less.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
I think Jay could probably get Kuroda or another decent rental SP for us.
The problem is that Jared Gritmaker would become our backup CF in that case.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
schit
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they'd add Chambers to the roster...
A smart organization would be shopping Jay to everyone in need of a CFer.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Jay for Hardy!
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
And then Theriot for Scully!
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
Bilingual Twitter
we should just get VINCE
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
though by the way
all the people commenting about the size of Chris Duncan’s head?
he wasn’t orange, was he?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
we will throw in Strauss
Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter. Mark Twain
NNNNNNOOOOOOO
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be fine trading Jay, and now is the time to trade him (again)
It’d be a good sell-high move, I think.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
he should have hit the homer with runners on base
instead of when there weren’t any runners.
Grit != flat out sucking.
or he should have just hit a single.
then the batter behind him could hit a homerun. Then we have a 4-2 lead AND the batter behind him helps his RBI count.
Colby = lazy & selfish!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
How stupid.
The Skip Schumaker Factor looms in this equation. He hit .299 last month and .346 this month. He is hitting .281 overall this season and he is a .290 career hitter. If Rasmus exits, Schumaker would offer center field protection for Jon Jay.
2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
Bilingual Twitter
I bit of course.
A little summary for those who are smart:
Trading Colby makes sense since we have Jon Jay to start and (seriously you’re going to laugh if you weren’t crying) Skip Schumaker and Allen Craig as backups (I really I wish I was kidding)
Also we should trade him because he isn’t the most mentally tough player. Looking forward, Gordon doesn’t think Rasmus is going to be like Garcia – a player we want to lock up.
Also he suggest getting a LOOGY and a rental for him.
….
….
Gordon, you are a moron.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Goold just called me savvy on facebook
I win the internets today.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
but that's a pirates reference oh nooooo
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice!
I just “liked” what you said. Good stuff.
He gave me (I think it was for me) a “zing” the other day when he wondered why no one had capitalized on the “Team Jay” vs. “Team Colby” t-shirt idea. I suggested that someone sell “Team Journalism” and “Team Gossip” t-shirts outside the P-D.
Goold needs to give out badges
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I dig your comment as well.
Good show!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
bad thing is I wasn't finished
I just tried to divide it up into paragraphs and because facebook is awful it now posts any time you hit enter.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You probably alread know this but
use to create paragraphs.
use what?
don’t leave me hanging! Isn’t it shift + enter? I forget.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
wow, sorry my tag killed it
yeah, it’s shift plus enter.
witchcraft
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Like in a Pirates of the Caribbean kind of way?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Nice write-up
and very timely, given Theriot’s performance (or lack thereof) during recent and not-so-recent memory.
I think the benefit of the doubt re: Theriot is what drives me nuts. Sit Colby because he’s struggling and another guy who’s playing well can step in. Fine. And that’s what TLR advocates in this piece.
“Performance dictates playing time.” Okay Tony. Fine. So if we look at just performance (and not grit, intangibles, ability to grind or give 110% or whatever), what has Theriot done to dictate he receive any significant playing time, particularly as that starting SS of a club in a pennant race?
tony's benched theriot on a few occasions
And honestly with his usual shitty defense combined with his new offensive slump, it seems like descalso going to get more time at shortstop . Or I’m probably being too optimistic.
...................why didn't they doubt his ability after watching him play for the cubs all those years?
look…………what he’s…………done to me………..
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
There has been a trend this year of the VEB hive mind slowly working it’s way into Tony and Mo’s mind. I’m hoping this will be the latest example.
the hive mind is not infiltrating quickly enough!!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn nanobots must have malfunctioned.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
At the very least against righties
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have you noticed that in the last few days
A guy who has never played professional short stop has started at the short stop position for us several times?
Grit != flat out sucking.
Post ASB
Theriot = 5 starts
Descalso = 4 starts
Know hope?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
I have.
I also noticed that one of the starts was b/c of Theriot’s suspension.
TBender has the post ASB starts below: 5-4 in favor of Theriot.
Consider the suspension game (he CAN’T start that one) and you’re looking at some type of near-equal timeshare that still seems to favor Theriot.
I don’t know what, if anything, this distribution of starts will predict going forward, but I don’t think we can conclude that Tony is through trotting Theriot out there on a regular basis.
It's doubtfull that DD will start against a lefty no matter what
And until Punto has his arm reattached It’s doubtful will see him at short. So at this point, yeah it looks like Theriot will be going out there with at least some regularity.
Grit != flat out sucking.
If we see a DD/Erriot platoon
at least DD will be getting the heavy part of it. While not ideal, I think I could live with that the rest of the year.
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Theriot should be starting against lefties.
Even after this horrible month, he’s still getting on base at a mark of .370 against lefties this year, which is in line with his career numbers.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
and DD, sadly
is getting totally dismantled by lefties. Unless that changes at some future time, he’s always going to need a platoon partner.
So there we have it
our best answer, for now, is to platoon Descalso and Theriot at SS (barring acquisition of a “real” SS)
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss BOOG.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
oh so now he shows up
ridin’ the dead horse
(yeah, i do too. sooner or later i will have to see highlights of that latest game.)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I'm a busy guy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The Road Starts Here. It Never Ends.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Don't, you'll just cry.
It was sorta like dirty d’s the other day, only barehanded..
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel obligated
I actually did update the mix tape.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
er, sampler, not mix tape.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Today's "wtf" word of the day:
“Ladder”
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MIND BLOWN.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
over/under on whether Theriot starts tonight?
and by extension, how many of the four games with Houston does he start?
MY hunch, two (which is two too many). Will also be interesting to see if one of DD’s starts is when Westbrook pitches? I vote yes.
Someone finally loaded an avatar
[/only robots notice]
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Wandy is slated to start the final game of the series, too.
So, it seems a safe bet that Theriot will start these two games at a minimum.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
How can you over/under a boolean guess?
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Regarding the puzzling stubbornness of Theriot on the roster:
We impute unlikely virtues to the cute.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 25, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions
He kind of looks like a chubby Orlando Bloom.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
that's not a haiku
but I like it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Ogden Nash.
And one of my favorite all-time sayings.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 25, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby Rasmus

Looks like he’s holding his arms a bit higher and the bat more parallel to the ground
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Leg kick... looks to be the same position in both. So is the stance change just cosmetic?

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he tends to rock the bat vertically
as a timing device as he awaits the pitch…maybe frame 2 caught him at a particularly low point?
Here is a link to my google+ profile.
He rocks it a little bit, but I don't think he ever gets quite as vertical as in the 6.29.11 picture
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The leg kick
on 7/24 appears higher and he looks more compact. further travel requires more time. late on pitches?
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
I mean, the frame capture isn't perfect. I might have just captured it one millisecond later than the first one
But no, he did not look particularly late on pitches yesterday
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What's with that kick?
I dont remember it being so dramatic before this year, I know he was never keeping his front foot down but this seems a little like overkill to me.
by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SO CLEARLY YOU CAN SEE BY THIS STANCE CHANGE, HE WILL NOW BE ABLE TO .300 FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON WITH 50 RBIS
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't worry colby
the hivemind of VEB is coming to save you
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Bat position doesn't matter as long at the swing and impact position is the same.
I’ve slowed down some video of him on my DVR and his hand position and impact position look the same.
The big difference the last month is that his stance is more open and his leg kick now has him “diving” in towards home plate, from what my mediocre-trained eye can see. FWIW, this is the “Charlie Lau” method of hitting, and something practiced by hitters like Wade Boggs, etc. as a way to get to the ball down and away while taking the inside corner away from pitchers by striding into the ball in the inner half.
Two reasons why he would do this:
- He’s having trouble getting to the ball down and away. Everyone who’s watched him knows that most of his swings and misses come on balls away, specifically down and away. So he makes this adjustment. Problem? He’s now going to struggle more on balls up and in unless he can lay off or he lets them hit him.
- He’s trying to spray line drives to left field. If this is what he’s doing, we certainly haven’t seen it, and on top of that it’s a stupid adjustment to make. He would be better off trying to stay back and squaring the ball up to the left-center gap (like Chase Utley does) rather than spraying balls that direction. It inhibits his ability to get his arms extended on the ball middle-in, which are pitches he generally crushes. FWIW — why not embrace the Big Mac/Big Hurt strategy of standing on top of the plate and daring anyone to come inside on you, while laying off the stuff you can’t hit on the outside and crushing anything thigh high to right center?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
re: theriot's spray chart
is there any way to tell what’s a GB hit and what’s a FB/LD hit?
i assume that a lot of the shallow OF hits are groundball bleeders that make it through the infield. still, i wonder if theriot is benefiting from teams assuming he’s not as punchless as he is and benefitting from bloopers on the shallow OF grass. should teams be playing him even shallower?
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
I wish we had photos from the front row of the upper deck to see where the OF shades for our hitters.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That would be great to have
Eventually, I could see where we would have a chart of where teams position themselves defensively against any particular hitter.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Like UZR against one particular hitter?
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If teams played him any shallower than they are
it would look like 8 year old softball…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
anybody want to try to fight thru the latest drivel
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 25, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
No. Please paraphrase.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Offer Kenny Williams a 3rd base prospect
He’ll drop a load in his pants he’ll be so excited. Just don’t say “hey remember how Beckham did well before you shoved 2nd base down his throat?”, or at least not out loud.
Then again, at that point offer him Skip.
ahhh. I missed that it was from yesterday.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 25, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Seconded.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I only made it a couple of paragraphs.
My masochism only goes so far.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 25, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We really need to have a good showing against the Astros and Cubs this week.
I want at least 5 out of 7. We can’t have a repeat of last year.
I like being able to see Cubs/Cards games
(I live in CHicagoland) but I hate when Fox grabs the Saturday game and ESPN grabs the Sunday game. I means I can’t listen to Brenly point out all the Cubs screwups.
I hate when Fox has the Card game.
They always black it out and then show a different game (at least in Montana).
Apparently Josh Willingham has been traded to the Braves for prospects
DEVELOPING
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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This is all I have to go on so far
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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And now the page is deleted
Welp
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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It's quiet in here...
I think everyone is just scared to death they are Gonna hear a Rasmus to White Sox trade.
Developing reports indicate...
Ken Williams could sweeten the pot by adding one of Dallas McPherson, Brian Bruney, or Mark Teahen.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I'm gonna go ahea and assume this is a joke
What players do the white sox have that we would want?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not straight up, right
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
Maybe...
I doubt they would do it since it doesn’t make them better this year, but the two players’ value is probably similar.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Is that was Rasmus has been reduced to?
He’s worth no more than a good relief pitcher?
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Thats what I was thinking
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
I don't know much about Sale...
but according to FG he’s got some kind of a change to go with the FB/SL. Doesn’t that mean he could be made into a starter?
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
He was drafted as a starter, yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I would think a highly regarded pitching prospect with five year to go until FA...
is of similar value to a diminshed Rasmus. I sure would take Sale over Jackson/Thornton.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
In terms of pure, incontextual(is that a word?), WAR, yeah, maybe
But this team needs to win NOW, and we need major league talent if we’re trading Rasmus. Sale is going to need a year to transition back to starting. Jackson isn’t
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He could be our Venters for 2011...
and start in 2012. He’s only thrown about 40 innings. This isn’t a huge upgrade for 2011, but it’s not nothing.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
given that the one thing our system is bubbling forth is starting pitching talent that is
one or two years away, why would we want a prospect for starting purposes who will need a year to prepare?
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
Shelby's the only one that's a year or two away
And it’d be nice to get a high quality lefty in the system
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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don't agree at all, especially with the "or two" in there. look who's starting in springfield
right now.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
Bro they don't play until 7:00 tonight
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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...
33 Michael Blazek P R R 6’ 0" 180 03-16-1989 Active No
39 Daniel Calhoun P L L 6’ 3" 220 09-05-1986 Active No
Ramon Delgado P R R 6’ 3" 195 09-03-1986 7-day DL No
12 Samuel Freeman P R L 5’ 11" 170 06-24-1987 Active No
16 John Gast P L L 6’ 1" 195 02-16-1989 Active No
Scott Gorgen P R R 5’ 10" 190 01-27-1987 7-day DL No
32 Nick Greenwood P R L 6’ 1" 180 09-28-1987 Active No
19 Deryk Hooker P R R 6’ 4" 185 06-21-1989 7-day DL No
22 Joe Kelly P R R 6’ 1" 165 06-09-1988 Active No
44 David Kopp P R R 6’ 3" 205 10-22-1985 Active No
Scott McGregor P R R 6’ 2" 193 12-19-1986 7-day DL No
26 Shelby Miller P R R 6’ 3" 195 10-10-1990 Active No
Casey Mulligan P R R 6’ 2" 190 10-05-1987 7-day DL No
36 Jose Rada P R R 6’ 1" 180 04-13-1988 7-day DL No
11 Chase Reid P L R 6’ 3" 212 05-17-1988 7-day DL No
40 Jorge Rondon P R R 6’ 1" 175 09-16-1988 Active No
19 Francisco Samuel P R R 6’ 2" 185 12-20-1986 Active Yes
27 Eduardo Sanchez P R R 5’ 11" 170 02-16-1989 Rehab Yes
29 Scott Schneider P R R 6’ 0" 175 06-07-1988 Active No
35 Kevin Thomas P R R 6’ 3" 215 07-08-1986 Active No
I see nothing particularly exciting there outside of Shelby
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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joe kelly, for one. gast, for another. either could be ready in 2013.
they’re only one level away.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
Neither of those is one the same level as Sale
And seriously, if we have another high quality pitching prospect, so what? That’s clearly not a negative thing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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but is it enough of a positive thing - and is sale in particular enough
of a positive thing – that we should trade colby for him?
the question was not: “more pitching prospects: good or bad?” the question was whether trading for someone like sale was a good idea. it seems to me that the gap it would open in our CF depth particularly and OF depth generally would be worth the gap it would fill in our starting pitching depth.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
*would not be.
sorry, important word left out.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
Ending up with a surplus of starting pitching talent
would hardly be a bad thing; it’s the trade market’s most fungible commodity. If we did get so lucky as to end up with a surplus, we could remedy that quite quickly.
Bubbling forth?
You mean M&M? For 2013 we have two starters under contract – AW and Garcia. Probably Miller will be ready, Lynn will be in the mix, Martinez will probably not be ready. In 2014 we have Garcia, Miller, Lynn, and Martinez.
Even under a best case scenario there will be vacancies.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Fyi, the ChiSox didn't put him in relief
because they didn’t think he was ready to start. They put him there because they thought they had 14 guys capable of starting.
The ChiSox plan for him
was to relieve this year and start next year.
man think about this
Jake Peavey: $16m
Alex Rios: $12m
Adam Dunn: $12m
Juan Pierre: $8.5m
Mark Teahen: $4.75m and more next year
It’s too bad he’s killed their farm system. He could actually use Jay or any 3rd baseman.
Pierre is paid for by the Dodgers at least.
But the rest of those suck, I feel bad for Peavy though.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
brian bruney is not what we need.
edwin jackson is OK, he’s had a no-hitter against a struggling rays team and thats about the brightest spot. we need at least him and 2 of those guys to even listen to that idea, contracts wise.
You're quiet in here
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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So...umm...Jaccoby Ellsbury ha sbeen a 5.0 WAR player so far this year
Colby for Jacoby?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
Jacolby Rasbury
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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That player is much better than Brendan Ryan Theriot
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
I suddenly feel like having a tart
or a compote
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jacolby Rhubarb...ury
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
sounds like a sandwich
I’ll have the Jaccoby Rasmus..hold the onion
The best way to pitch Pujols is when he broke his wrist-Steve Blass(pirates announcer)
Why would the Red Sox do that at this point
Ellsbury has 16 homers, 28 steals, and plays plus defense.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
'twas a joke
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OT Higgs boson on its way by end of 2012
Adron Chambers' nickname still in flux.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Aeon flux?
I want more... More baaaacon!
Jim Gaffigan
by blueinmemphis on Jul 25, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Higgs Broson?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
the Large Adron Collider, of course.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
God Particle?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that was an earlier title of that comment
I nixed it after checking my dropping witticism meters.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought we were just proposing new nicknames to mark the occasion
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
oh, well there's the old one for general consumption.
carry on.
until the end of the world.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i just now saw boog's barehanded play
i want to cry
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
You're crying a lot today
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As neat as the barehanded play was
I thought the double play he made going up the middle was even better.
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The Grand Slam wasn't bad either...
…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
i'm hungover
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
That's my girl
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a bottle and a half of wine last night
what is wrong with me
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Absolutely nothing
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I take the Bar tomorrow & wednesday
then start my new job on thursday… I will be very much hungover for my first day!
Thank you for the inspiration/ratification of my behavior.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I stopped calling them hangovers and started calling them mornings
a while back.
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i don't think i have ever been this hungover at work
it is just miserable.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
This is correct.
Get to work. Get a cup of coffee. Get a cup of water. Browse VEB for 4 hours. Get lunch. Be semi-productive after that
That’s how hungover Rui does it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i have done all of those things so far!
but not lunch. can’t eat yet.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Some of us get paid for what we do,
so this isn’t a viable option.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
good luck on the bar exam!
WTF are you doing on VEB? you should probably definitely be studying.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Much appreciated.
I am studying! But, the brain, wits & nerves are pretty much frayed. My attention-span comes and goes.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i watched baseball every day up until the day of the bar exam
even when people told me i needed to be studying. my roommate was up at 6 and studying until like 8 or 9 every night.
i got up at 9. the cardinals games start at 5pm here. so i would usually not study any more after that. i still passed, by a giant margin (which means i still studied too much!). you will too.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
did you FEEL prepared?
because I do not. But, many friends who have taken it before expressed similar feelings. The incredibly large amount of information leads me to believe that I could never actually feel fully prepared.
I have done plenty of studying, I am confident in my abilities. But there is still the inevitable doubts that linger.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
eh...i didn't feel prepared on some of the essay topics
what is the format? for us, we had 12 essays on one day and the MBE the next day. the MBE was 33% of the total score, the essays were 67%. i felt much more prepared for the MBE.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Missouri has the Uniform Bar Exam
Day 1 – 2 MPT (20%) & 6 Essays (30%)
Day 2 – MBE (50%)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
lucky. MBE is cake.
you will think that you missed 75% of the questions, but you probably will get 85% correct.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Stick to the timetable on the MPT and essays
and you will be fine.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
sometimes i forget you're a lawyer, too
bgh you are my inspiration. how the eff do you have time to be lawyerly and write front page posts?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
By not drinking so much
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i quit drinking for two weeks in june
i still didn’t have time to write for pleasure
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
It isn't easy,
but writing on Mondays is a big, big reason as to why it works. Basically, this is my hobby. I spend a good chunk of my Saturday and Sunday mornings (and sometimes my Sunday night) working on the posts.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
who has time for a hobby?!
what kind of lawyer are you again? do you represent like HOAs? those people work normal 9-5s.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Perhaps he is in corporate law?
I was under the impression they worked 9-5ish hours.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
oh yeah a lot of them do
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
In-house counsel usually work normal hours.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That really depends on the company
I’m working with a lot of in house counsel at banks and they are getting killed. Working 12 plus hour days and weekends at times. Not a good time to work for a financial institution.
Corporate law like M&A, financing, etc.?
No way. You must be talking about some other type of “corporate law.”
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
the corporate group in my firm keeps pretty regular hours
probably like 9-6, and rarely work weekends. unless there’s a huge closing, but that is also rare.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
This has somewhat been true over the last few years
Because the M&A market has been completely dead since the economy went in the crapper. Pre-2008 our guys worked crazy hours. When they had a deal going they would routinely work 18-20 hour days.
Keep in mind there are 100
kinds of corporate law.
I’m in I.T. outsourcing for instance, and we employ bunches of lawyers because everything we do is based on contracts. They work regular hours unless there’s some massive bid or negotiation going on.
Are you in KC?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Columbia.
Bar exam is in Jeff City.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
hey cool, where at?
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
the south side
near rock bridge hs.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I swam against them several times.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
the bar exam, that is
maybe i’ll be close enough i can buy you a beer afterwards..
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Heh.
Jeff City.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i have only one piece of advice
for dinner tonight, eat something innocuous that you personally prepared. you do not want to have food poisoning during the bar exam.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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...did this happen to you?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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not to me, but to someone i know
i was way ahead of that. i am the kind of person who thinks about things like that. i brought pepto bismol with me into the bar exam.
(no pun intended)
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
i also knew people who took some kind of medicine that they give truck drivers so they wouldn't have to go to the bathroom for 8 hours
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
Is that the kind of medicine they prescribe at a doctor's office
or the kind of “medicine” they sell you out behind a truck stop? ‘Cause that doesn’t sound super-healthy.
the sell it at the "massage parlors" next to the truck stop
ancient chinese secret, indeed..
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
Get out now! It's not too late!
(Ha, sorry. I know it’s too late now)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Video or it didn't happen.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
...
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
HOLY MOLY!
and he looks like Jason LaRue with that ’stache. Like some sort of unmasked luchalibre!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
oh yeah, we didn't mention it earlier.
he’s been workin’ the handlebars for a while.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No, I mean the sobbing.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one on the "Sell high on Freese" bandwagon?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Freese is hitting .313/.360/.429 with a .376 BABIP
That is very, very dangerous
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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There's a lot of reasons why his power hasn't translated
I think he has slow hands and has trouble with inside pitches. Hard to hit the oppo home runs he did in the minors when pitchers are jamming him inside
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I thought the narrative was the opposite of this.
That he wasn’t being pitched inside like he had been in the minors.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Eh I was mostly making shit up
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Yeah.
Anyone who thinks Jay’s performance is unsustainable (me) should look at Freese like a Hummer that runs on a mixture of gasoline and newspaper profit margins.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
David Freese's babip by year:
2009: 375
2010: 376
2011: 376
His babip in 1600 minor league games was 350ish, so he may not be in for a huge fall.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I don't think anybody in the history of modern baseball has had anywhere near that BABIP
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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You should read my sentence again
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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GO TELL TY COBB HE WASN"T MODERN
I DARE YOU
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah bro he'd probably spit on me or somethin'
Get Fritz to do it. He’s really white.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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...305?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I have a hard time following columns...
point is, he’s due for a 30-50 point drop, not a 60-80 point drop, so his value won’t be completely demolished.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Well we don't really know how much his BABIP will drop
At least .30-.50 to be sure
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I'll do it.
I’m like 100% from German ancestry. He probably loved folks from the Holy Roman Empire. Well, maybe not, i guess it will depend on his views of the Kaiser.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Is he a true talent .360 BABIP guy though?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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That would be the highest babip in the history of modern baseball...
as rui said above. Numero uno.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I'm sure if you looked hard enough
You could find someone else who has put up three seasons with a higher BABIP than that during their prime.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Yeah probably...
but not over an entire career and not a plodder like Votto. Holliday had a run, but that was in Coors…
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
of course not over a whole career
doing it over a whole career is going to cover years with earlier years when he is still raw talent, years with injuries, and then declining years when batspeed and other skills start to degrade.
Grit != flat out sucking.
His career IFFB% is 1.8%
That’s the second-lowest ever from what data FanGraphs has on that.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Only if you think 2319 career PAs isn't a large enough sample
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
I think it's possible you could get a bit lucky on IFFB over that period of time
given that most guys only hit an IFFB in somewhere between 5-10% of balls in play, that’s a pretty small number over the course of 2319 PA. I could see that it could take an awful long time for that to stabilise.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He was just saying it WAS a sample size
Duh, guys!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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sorry
did not see this was Votto. thought you were talking about Freese. someone needs to learn to use the up button.. guess who?
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
oh and by the way
David Freese
BABIP IFF%
.375 0
.375 1.9
.376 2.7
Joey Votto
.372 1.4
.361 0 (in 648 PAs!)
.362 1.1
Grit != flat out sucking.
Meaningless right now
The regression’ll take like 5 minutes to run
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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what stats package are you using that takes 5 minutes to run a regression?
damn son. get a new computer.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
That was including grabbing the data from Fangraphs
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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So David Freese doesn't hit the ball as hard as Joey Votto, has more IFFB's, and his BABIP is still higher?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
sample size comes into play
I’m certianly not saying Freese is going to be a .375 BABIP guy going forward. But there is a reason to believe that he may be a high BABIP guy.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I disagree.
You would expect his BABIP from the minors to regress toward the major league average. Instead he has gone up. It might be possible that Freese is a true-talent .330 BABIP hitter, but the likelihood that his true talent is above that is vanishingly small.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
I agree.
But .375 is so far about that it’s basically the type of thing you look at and just immediately decide it’s not possible for a guy whose BABIP in the minors was .350
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Let's make a bet:
I bet Freese’s BABIP for the rest of the season is under .350 ie. for the end of July months of August, September, and October.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
i'll take the other side
.350 or over going forward. zips has him at .360 the rest of the way, btw.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Sig or picture for the playoffs. Your choice.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
damnit
i did not see this
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Yeah no way he mantains that
Probably will drop to around .330.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
a little comfort
using Freeses Batted Ball profile on fan graphs, freese has hit:
34 Line drives
55 Ground Balls
33 (out field) fly balls
3 Infield flies
And given these BABIP of those batted balls. (using google, biggest variable here is assuming that this is the correct BABIP on that type of batted ball)
BABIP on IFF .050
BABIP on outfield FLIES .160
BABIP on Line Drives .740
BABIP On ground balls .280
Freese hit’s should have normalized to this:
45 hits on BABIPs
11 BBs
38 singles
7 doubles
0 triples
4 Hrs
Which Brings his line DOWN from .313/.360/.429 TO .300/.368/.417
So give Freese’s batted ball profile, he is getting a bit lucky. But as long as he can continue doing what he is doing. (hit line drives to all over the field and not pop up) you can expect to see a drop off. But it isn’t a cliff.
Be nice if he gets a bit of that HR power back
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
by the IHeartBoog
the BABIP of those batted balls is inline with Zips .360 BABIP moving forward.
Grit != flat out sucking.
nice.
thanks for this. iheartdavidfreese and i don’t want him to be traded.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
.341 going forward
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i thought someone said his Zips BABIP was .360 going forward
sorry, I didn’t look it up.
Grit != flat out sucking.
i said that.
and i misspoke. his updated ZIPS for the year is .360
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
WHICH MEANS I SHOULD NOT HAVE MADE THAT BET WITH HAZEL DAMNIT
i blame this hangover for my stupidity.
no one should make bets whilst hungover.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I thought that ZIPS number sounded pretty insane.
Didn’t bother to check tho. Maybe you’ll get lucky?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
i never do.
oh well.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Ba-dum ching!
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Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the legal advice might be subject to my review
i can’t be getting disbarred over my inability to do math!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
something something something hammock something something
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
this is what i am expecting.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
you should go out with Matt Carpenter.
He’ll get you to first base. Not too handsy, either!
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Not too handsy?
The guy doesn’t even wear a “batting glove”. I’m not sure I’d trust him.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
ugh, that sounds painful
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Who wouldn't want those rough, manly hands caressing their body?
I know I would
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Wait
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Maybe they're actually warts
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
what is this
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
ZiPS projections, which can be found on his Fangraphs page
Has him for a .341 BABIP the rest of the season for a .361 total for this season
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by the way
I like this way of regressing out luck so much better than picking a BABIP and regressing down to.
Grit != flat out sucking.
+1
it makes more sense to me than saying everyone should be regressed to average
by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, i like it too, and it's very illustrative
but it’s really not as valid predictively. you are making the large assumption that his batted ball profile is going to stay the same, based on a small sample.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
You are also making a huge assumption that every thing that is called a "linedrive" or a "groundball" by a stringer is born equal
it’s probably also quite possible that he’s been lucky to have a bunch of fliners or reasonably hard-hit GB called “linedrives”, perhaps due to random variation or just due to positive bias (i.e. they turned into hits so the stringers called then “Linedrives”). I bet if we slice 5-10 LDs off that list and turn them into GB and/or FB (entirely possible due to the huge variability of batted ball classifications) you end up with a much lower estimate.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
oops
left out a section.
After regressing he has these hits:
25 hits on line drives
15 hits on grounders
5 hits on fly balls
0 hits on Infield files
Also, a big red flag on this thing is, I don’t know if those HRs were classified as fly balls or line drives. They were omitted from his PAs/ABs when figuring out the percentage. Only difference is the number of fly balls vs line drives may be off by 1 in either direction.
Grit != flat out sucking.
if we played a good bit of Craig at 2B
id be ok with Carpenter at 3b.
I like seeing all the line drives from Freese though.
he's had very high BABIPs his whole career
in fact, his 09 BABIP (34 PA) was .375. his ’10 BABIP (270 PA) was .376. in 510 PA at memphis in 08, his BABIP was .350.
….
fwiw
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
BABIP doesn't stabilize until well after 500 PA
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~1100
we had this convo with the Ludwick reverse split
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
i understand that.
simply pointing out that he has consistently had a high BABIP his whole career. it is not as though this season is an aberration. and i said fwiw!
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I will make the same bet about his BABIP with you.
Care to bet profile pics or signatures?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
yeah i just replied above.
i’ll bet signatures
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Muahahaha.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
what exactly are the terms here
that his BABIP from July 25 – October 1 is less than .350 total?
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Yeah that sounds about right.
And the winner can pick the loser’s sig for the playoffs which we will most certainly be in after we ditch Theriot and trade Jay for Tulowitzki and Jimenez.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
okay, sigs for the playoffs
my only concern is, will we be able to get day by day BABIP data? would it be easier to start this on Aug 1?
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It's on baseball-ref
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ok cool
i admit i prefer FG’s layout so i rarely hit up B-R
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FG looks nicer
but BR has more data, I tend to use them both FG for WAR and value related things and BR for splits
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Does B-R even have wOBA?
Also, I like UZR much much more. All the stats I need to find I find easier on Fangraphs as well.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
His power should come sometime
Good defender too. I don’t think he has much trade value either. A platoon with him and Matt Carp would be pretty tasty.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I really hope Matt Carp gets a chance next year. I’m a real convert to his fanclub this year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd look at trading Freese in the offseason, depending on how everything else pans out.
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Matt Carpenter!
.289/.426/.444
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Matt Carpenter's OBP is .003 below David Freese's SLG.
Matt Carpenter is good at getting on base.
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He's Jack Cust
if Jack Cust could run and play an above average 3B.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
and I think Carp hasn't got a significant platoon split
Cust is destroyed by lefties.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I REALLY soured on both Carpenter and Hamilton when they were up
They looked absolutely frightened swinging their bats.
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well Carp didn't do much swinging
which is part of his charm.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 26, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It might be part of some "charm"
but I want my 3rd baseman to be able to pound a ball once in a while. Carpenter only had a 3.3% swinging strike % and managed to strike out 4 times in 15 AB (19 PA).
I mean really souring a player after that?!!!!
Casual fans who pay zero attention to statistics are smart enough to realize that 19 fucking plate appearances is like nothing at all.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2011 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I could get on it, but I'm not super enthusiatic about it
Seems like a waste to have both Freese and MCarp, but only Freese has real trade value. But if Freese ever starts to hit HRs like he did in the minors we would really regret this.
I will literally sell anyone on the team if it brings MIF improvement in the short term and stability long term.
Our MIF has sucked so badly that it would have been a good idea to lock up Eckstein to a 5/25m contract in 2007.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
No
You’re not. I am riding shotgun on that bandwagon actually.
I think Matt Carpenter might be the better player.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think we could get a decent starter for him
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A log jam?
No. Maybe an ice floe, in that it’s possible that a bunch of these guys melt away and we end up with one passable player there.
Still, I’d rather bet on Matt Carpenter’s 16% walk rate than Freese’s .370 BABIP any day.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
that ice floe is made of glass
ankles
would've.
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All i'm saying is that value wise I believe it would be smart to trade Freese, Cox, or Carpenter.
Keeping all three when we have other needs seems wasteful.
I don't buy Cox as a MLB player yet.
He’s hit with very little power and doesn’t walk much, which means his offensive value is going to be tied into hitting .300 and hitting lots of doubles.
I think Carpenter might be the best player of the three, considering I have no idea where David Freese’s power has gone. He was a 25+ homer guy in the minors, but he’s not shown any of that type of power in the big leagues. If I could get back a pitching prospect for him or couple him with Jon Jay and bring back a starting SS or big league starter, I’d do that in a heartbeat.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I would generally agree with that.
It seems like everything both positive and negative with Cox is SSS though. As for the trade I would need a little more clarification on “starting SS” and “big league starter”.
no
i want to sell him now. but the problem is, there’s nothing to plug in. this team is dangerously, dangerously thin in the infield. if Freese gets sold, there are a lot more starts for Theriot in the future.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
Matt Carpenter could start right now
it’s a “risk” for a team that won’t throw rookies in at the deep end very often without prior MLB experience, but really he’s every bit as likely (perhaps more so) to be a good player going forward than Freese.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
well
if you say “sell high on Freese,” sure. If you’re just saying “trade Freese”, then no.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
Can we sell high on Freese
given the ankles? I agree it might be time to get out on top production-wise, but a lot of GMs are going to balk at that injury history.
He's under team control for next year?!
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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that also means we can decline arbitration and just let him go
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He's going to get an arbitration bump, so I see almost no chance that the team brings him back
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if Mo was thinking that rationally, Theriot would already be gone
I have to give Mo props for Berkman, but he definitely can be a f**k-up as well.
Mo is nothing if not rational. He also has lots of constraints that he has to deal with.
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Fucking Moses, man. When will he learn?
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Miles, Theriot, Suppan, Feliz, and this list goes on
these are not rationale decisions, although I guess Suppan is somewhat defensable
I think Mo has been pretty hit/miss
I really HATE some of his moves, but there are some really good ones in there too. Personally, i am on the fence with Mo, with my “like” foot itching to go to the “hate” side. I guess he is just like any other GM though.
I reserve the right to change my mind dependent on resolution of “Cheese Gate”.
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I think he’s been a hell of a lot better at drafting the farm and keeping those pieces in play. The Matt holiday trade and contract also looks freaking awesome in retrospect, especially considering Jason bay.
by beer me on Jul 25, 2011 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we put too much pressure on him as a prospect
it’s not like he’ll be a hall of fame GM overnight
would've.
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There's absolutely no way the Cards pay Ryan Theriot $5+ million next year...
I’d bet the house…
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
He is....oh god
I thought he was a rental.
My prediction is that he sucks so bad next year we call up Ryan Jackson. Who proceeds to play great D and win over many fans. Essentially putting us right back to where we were when we had boog.
never a good idea to recycle used cubs
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Fangraphs, as well
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Hopefully Dave is healthier and able to withstand a really rigorous course of chemo.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Terrible news
Here’s hoping for the best
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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes... That's bad news
Hopefully everything turns out well for him.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are cool like me and have milb.tv, Shelby's pitching for the Springfield Cardinals tonight
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He does not pitch today
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On Miller? If I get a chance to watch it, absolutely
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as much as i spend for mlb.tv
i feel like milb.tv should be included
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It's an extra $10 at the time you renew your mlb.tv subscription
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how much is it if you don't have an mlb subscription
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So on the stupid scale, if the Cards selling low on Rasmus is a 1...
what is the Reds selling low on Volquez? I’ll say .6
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
He just walks too many dudes
It’s hard to be successful as a starter if you’re walking 5+ per nine. And they’re dealing from a position of relative strength
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I must say
It gave me great joy to see Rasmus back-pedaling out of the batters box after ripping his homer yesterday.
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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Colby and Yadi don't like each other.
Look at the dugout when Yadi hit his last homer (see Colby?)
Now look at the dugout when Colby hit his homer (see Yadi?).
I think Yadi just might be a “mean girl.”
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously there is a rift between Yadi and Colby
And all signs point to team Yadi emerging triumphant after the inevitable trade of Rasmus.
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i can't really imagine yadi and colby having anything at all in common
other than that they both play baseball for the cardinals
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who do you think picked out his neck tattoos?
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wasn't there a shot earlier this year of colby wearing this shirt?

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Colby's still pissed his hand got gold when he tossed Yadi his glove
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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yadi's pissed some of his gold is missing
would've.
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wait so that was for real?
i thought it was a joke. people really weren’t happy?
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They just seemed disinterested.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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that's just ODD.
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I sort of wonder if it was just a starnge time and angle or something.
Because even if you don’t like the guy it shouldn’t matter if he’s hitting a home run to tie he game for your team. And if that really is the situation then something is seriously wrong with the leadership because that should not be allowed on a professional sports team.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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I've gotten the feeling, though, that maybe Colby himself doesn't like the big to-do in the dugout
he’s usually pretty cool when he comes back from a stroll.
what he does like, though, is the cheek-touch. Albert gave him one recently. if I were really spinning conspiracy, I’d say he’d prefer it if that was the celebration in the dugout. but then stl media would rip it up.
would've.
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That's what we call a bomb
Gotta love it. That kind of swing and result make me cringe at the thought that some idiots actually want the dude traded.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Count me as one of those idiots, then
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I've lost track of the bandwagons in this post.
can y’all circle up and report in for a summation please
would've.
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Yup. No Berk, though.
Theriot, ss; Jay, rf; Pujols, 1b; Holliday, lf; Freese, 3b; Molina, c; Rasmus, cf; Punto, 2b; McClellan, rhp
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I have an idea...
Let’s give someone other than Theriot the most at bats on the team.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
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would've.
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Is that real or is that your guess?
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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the actual lineup
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happy to see punto
i wonder if he could play SS if we would be seeing him more there. i’d rather have skip’s bat in the lineup than theriot’s at this point. although, not against a lefty i guess.
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It's really hard to root for Theriot knowing that any tiny success for him is going to increase his playing time and give him more opportunities to give games away like yesterday.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
I find myself hoping for him to get on with HBP's or errors.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Theriot's defense can be embarrasingly bad at times
Yesterday was one of those times. As the SS in the last inning with the WINNING run baring down at second, the ball absolutely CANNOT get into centerfield. Throw a foot in front of it, throw the chest in front of it, take a bite of it, but don’t let it go into CF! It was the second time it happened that game and, coupled with the whiff on that dribbler, made me cringe as hard as I’ve ever cringed.
I’ve heard folks (my father is guilty of this big time and it drives me crazy, as are many “smart” baseball people) argue that sometimes a player isn’t spectacular that they “make all of the plays,” and are thus an acceptable player. I’ve also heard that said in reference to Theriot. I disagree with that sort of comment in the most vigorous terms possible. I’m going to go ahead and post a comment I made a few days ago:
I’ve long thought that the distinction between routine plays and harder plays is one that is overplayed, because any ball put in play can either lead to an out or a base-runner, regardless of how poorly-struck the BIP is. Defenders who are more likely to convert potential base-runners into outs are useful. Theriot has shown that he is less likely than other fielders to accomplish this task. Whether he makes "routine plays" is ultimately irrelevant. The team needs someone who can turn the 27-out clock in the favor of the Cardinals and not their opponent, and as long as Theriot is, well, Theriot, he isn’t helping that process from a defensive point of view. Recently he’s not been helping that clock-turning on offense either.
In other words, the Cards need to think long and hard about whether or not Theriot is really a guy who can be the shortstop of a division-winning team that can do damage in the playoffs. My leaning is no way in hellfire.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
Regression is fun! {more regression of BABIP By Batted ball type to follow}
Using their batted ball profile I’ve regressed the following two players that no one is talking about:
Jay
From a .311/364.442 line to a .303/.336/.434
Rasmus
From a .244/.331/.413 line to a .253/.386/.425
Now, I think I may be done doing this. Because when I do, I come really really close to hitting the ZIPs projections. So um, that. Now showing my work:
Jon Jay
71 hits off of balls into play before regession
199 balls hit into play
44 line drives
108 ground balls
30 Outfield flies
17 Infield pop-ups
After regression
32 hits off of line drives
30 hits off of grounders
5 Hits off of outfield flies
1 hit of of infield flies. (it’s just a numbers thing)
Giving him 69 hits off of balls hit into play, in 280 PAs and 251 ABs he would have:
76 Hits
58 singles
10 Doubles
1 triple
7 home runs
18 BB
Colby Rasmus
71 hits off of balls into play before regession of off 248 Balls hit into play
46 Line drives
89 Ground balls
80 outfield flies
34 infield flies
After Regession:
34 hits off of line drives
25 hits off of ground balls
13 hits off of outfield flies
2 hits off of infield flies
Giving him 74 Hits off of balls hit into play, in 379 PAs and 332 ABs he would have:
84 Hits
53 signles
15 Doubles
6 triples
10 HRs
44 BBs
So Jay loses a few hits. I took away only singles. Rasmus picked up a few hits. Using the percentage of doubles/hits I ended up picking up a double as well.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That .386 OBP for Colby has to be a typo, yeah?
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bah
replay fail
lets see
(84 + 44) / 379 = .338.
No, I used his ABs to figure out OBP instead of PA. So, not a typo. This is why I showed my numbers instead of just the final result.
Grit != flat out sucking.
So his OBP should be .338?
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correct
regressing his BABIP to the line you would expect with is batted ball profile you get :
.253/.338/.425/.763
Differences between this year and last year:
Colby is currently hitting 1% less line drives
Colby is currently hitting 3.7% more ground balls. (not that bad)
Colby is currently hitting 2.7 less fly balls.
But the real bad thing is his IFFB% has gone from 5.2% to 13.7% (6.3 difference)
Also, his HR/FB% has gone down from 14.8% to 8.5% (6.2 difference); mainly a result of infield flies don’t actually end up as home runs.
Judging sololy from the numbers, it looks like his big issue is getting under the ball a lot more this year, plus a little bit of bad luck. When I get home I’ll regress his numbers against last year
Grit != flat out sucking.
I think it was 20 some % in June?
He’s been struggling badly, there is no way around it.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby's line from last regressed to his batted ball profile
.241/ .328 / .463 / .791
Apparently a lot of his line from last year was pretty lucky. Though with his power and his eye it’s helped out. Last year he hit 293 balls into play and had 105 hits off of those at a .358 rate. But with his batted ball profile, he should have only had a .304 BABIP, giving him 89 hits out of those hit into play.
Grit != flat out sucking.
how are you getting HRs off just balls in play?
Aren’t HRs by default balls out of play?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
They are balls out of play
They don’t count for the regression. They get added back in afterwards.
Grit != flat out sucking.
You have to regress batted ball data also
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
btw
I’m removing the ‘luck’ factor out this. Since we already know that BABIP is a skill with a little bit of noise.
But i’m certainly interested in what you would regress a batted ball profile to, and the reasons why.
Grit != flat out sucking.
LD rate is subjective, and so is GB, FB and IFFB rates
So like any number with large error bars, you regress towards league average to guess at what the “true” number is.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ah
so I assume that votto should hit infield pop ups like the rest of the league. Therefor, I should calculate his BABIP at league average.
Makes sense, there being only three true outcomes, walks, ks, and homeruns. Everything else is just luck.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Well this was pretty facetious.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
lineup
Theriot SS, Jay RF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Freese 3B, Molina C, Rasmus CF, Punto 2B, McClellan P
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by Alxfritz on Jul 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeesh.
i man, it is against a lefty. good god could we use allen craig back.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lets see
(84 + 44) / 379 = .338.
No, I used his ABs to figure out OBP instead of PA. So, not a typo. This is why I showed my numbers instead of just the final result.
Grit != flat out sucking.
aw what
they didn’t mow the arch back into the grass after they fixed the U2 mess?
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so's your face.
really? the arch is the awesome.
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oh, they finally installed the amaury cazana swinging doors?
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i don't know if this will work
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Colby vs. Jay month-by-month
Colby – wOBA – BABIP – xBABIP (used Rays xBABIP calculator)
April - .383 --.364 --.289
May --.351 -—.319 --.310
June --.296 -—.227 --.269
July -—.215 -— .167 --.283
Jay – woBA – BABIP – xBABIP
April - .313 -- .240 -.221
May - .444 -— .459 -- .322
June -..295 -- .313 -.324—. .342
July --- .333 —-332
Well Jay has a higher BABIP than xBABIP in three of the months and Colby has a higher one in two but it’s ridiculously lower in the other two. Like ridiculous in the Albert Pujols kind of way except in a negative light.
Ok see, there's something that interests me
I always look for patterns. Now why would Colby’s BABIP do a steady march downhill like that? That seems odd.
I see a pattern
Rasmus will have a better August than Jay
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I really cant wait for the deadline to come and go
I just got this terrible feeling I’m going to have a couple of orphaned shirts and a cat now only named after cheese….
by beer me on Jul 25, 2011 5:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i don't understand the expiration date thing with old jerseys
do jerseys suck once someone retires? i mean… if they were a Cardinals player, that’s good enough for me.
would've.
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Nothing, I’m just being a negative Nancy.
by beer me on Jul 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
eh
if they retired is different if they were traded. its even more different if they were asking to be traded. would you wear a drew jersey? that’s why i only buy sherseys until they get locked in.
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MATT HOLLIDAY
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i have his jersey
i also have pujols, but that was a gift. waino shersey. i think i want a garcia shersey now.
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wayyyy ahead of you on garcia.
picked that baby up for $15 from dick’s last christmas.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
so i go to dick's sporting goods online to see what sherseys they have
and this happens:

/bawling uncontrollably
but really, why is this still $23?
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THEY ARE STILL SELLING THESE IN THE STORE
FOR FULL PRICE.
i don’t understand…
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He's winning converts
With each fumbled routine play. That’s my theory.
by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i would buy this if it was $10 or lessq
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i would too.
and then cry.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i think i might buy this though

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i thought you did.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
it was similar, but it had pujols on the back
i was convinced not to buy it because he might leave after this season.
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ah. well then just get this one.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently all these places sell women's "plus size" now
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don't know what that even means.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
they sell women's cardinals shirts in plus sizes
but they look exactly like men’s shirts. i.e. they aren’t fitted.
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ah. well that seems pointless.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
"Point"-less1!?!?!?!?
Heh, good one.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
since i live in Houston,
are the sherseys that much cheaper in STL?
So when Im there in August should I make room for a baker’s dozen in my suitcase?
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no the one i got was a steal.
$25 in most retail outlets, $30 at the stadium.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't even find one online
i would have to do the custom thing which costs a lot more.
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I make it easy on myself.
I only own nonspecific Cardinals jerseys or retired players. Out of 8 jerseys I have 3 Ozzies, 1 Musial, and 4 Cooperstown collection jerseys with no name. I think I want to add a Schoendienst jersey to the collection this year though.
I don’t own a single shersey. I think they’re pretty tacky looking. My wife still sports an Edmond shersey under her jersey when we go to games though.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if I could talk her into that?
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta make an update to the inventory.
My parents absolutely freaking rock.
I now have 10 jerseys. My birthday is tomorrow and I asked for a new smoker. Instead I got a Mitchell & Ness 1946 Red Schoendienst Home Jersey and a 1982 Mitchell & Ness Ozzie Smith All-Star Jersey. They found them on closeout somewhere in Missouri for $150 each.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
this
i bought the Matt Holliday shersey off mlb.com for like 5 bucks, because it was the one with 15 on it instead of 7.. i figured what the hell, it’s 5 bucks. they sent me the one with 7. win!
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I asked for a jersey for my birthday.
He’s my hero.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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also, i figured cost-controlled-for-four-more-years colby was "locked in" last year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely not
I still have an Eckstein shersey that I bough after 06 in the plastic.Been saving it for a playoff run.
I might have to break it open to ward of The Dark One known as Ryan Theriot.
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OT:
Saw Captain America yesterday. It was solid, not being a huge Captain fan to begin with I enjoyed the movie.
Wow
Jason Giambi is 40 years old, and he’s hitting .263/.360/.632 with 10 HR for the Rockies this year. Dude still has legit power.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
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werent 3 of those in 1 game?
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I dunno
And I’m too lazy to look it up.
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you're so colby
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Speaking of steroids (hehehh)
Anyone follow other baseball blogs enough to have seen someone do an eval on Jose Bautista – his swing, his BABIP, that type of thing? I had a long conversation about him yesterday with a Brewers fan at a party. He hadn’t seen the SI article by Posnanski, but his view is Jose has to be doing ‘roids. My view was "surely some blogger living in his mom’s basement would’ve dug up proof by now."
Btw, he’s adamant that the Cards will win the division.
I really don't think Bautista is on roids
He’s just knocking the living shit out of every mistake he sees and he’s not missing many good pitches either. I know that sounds nuts since we’re basically up to two seasons of him doing it now (second half of 09 through now) but nothing looks crazy to me.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
there is as much proof
Of bautista being on roids as there is of Pujols being on roids. Casual fans see homeruns and claim roids.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jul 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I get that
and he gets that there’s no proof.
I’m just asking about info/evals on the guy.
beyond the boxscore had some interesting graphs
Of his hit patterns posted last year.
get some runs
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jul 25, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
check whether his helmet size has changed dramatically in the last few years....
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
i guess this was to be expected...
Per @BJRains – Sanchez admits he may not pitch again this year..“I don’t know. We’ll see.”….more from him, Waino and Berkman on the site soon.
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Rains tweet
Berkman out with what he’s calling a right rotator cuff strain. Happened on last swing Sunday in Pitt. Hopes to only miss day or two.
Berkman on the swing:
“Clearly there was something funny cecause the ball went one way and the shortstop ran up the middle.”
by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He better not be out too long
but I wouldn’t mind if it were just long enough to kill any chance we trade Rasmus or Jay.
It's a really, really mild one.
They’ll sew his arm back on tomorrow.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
this is going to be so much fun...
he’ll hang out on the active roster for at least a week, pinch hitting a few times but never starting and never staying in the game to run the bases. then they’ll tell us he’s really hurt and needs to be DL’d but that can only make it retroactive to sunday. then we lose berkman for three weeks. this is going to be awesome.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that Holliday and Pujols both came back from injuries dramatically earlier than they were expected this season?
Oh, I mean, CRADS TRAINERS R TEH SUX!1
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
remember holliday's episode from earlier this year?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
When he had an injury, and then got a worse injury of similar nature?
Yeah that was totally the medical staff’s fault.
Please go grind your axe on someone else’s stone.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
and Colby's career in St. Louis is saved...
once he hits that walkoff in game 7 to win the pennant, there will be no way to trade him.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
If he would have played better games 1-6 it wouldnt have taken 7 games.
DFA
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by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for awesome.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
He didn't really look like he cared that much about his own walk-off hit.
I’ll bet he’s not very smart and is stressed out about the impossible situation of having a wife and child.
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can we just trade some B prospect to the dodgers for kuroda and call it a day?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
who is KW
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Williams went on to say,
“I would make that trade in one second. ONE SECOND!”
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for hilarity
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The deal is really colby for ozzie guillen and frank thomas's tricep
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90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP
Can the tricep double as an ankle?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
wtf?
in what parallel universe do we need an outfielder?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're trading Colby.........
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
it was just a silly idea
but your retort is ignorant. Mr Rasmus plays outfield. If you trade an OF perhaps, uh, you NEED an OF
or just get craig off the DL and call up chambers.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Um
If we’re trading Rasmus, it’s because we have a whole lot productive outfielders, not because we want someone else to come play outfield for us.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
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2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Yeah except that Colby is under control for longer and is better than those players.
And why would they want Theriot?
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Latos and Adams and Bartlett for Colby and Theriot,
and the Padres eat all the salary. And I get a pony. And zombie Richard Feynman becomes our GM.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm always so relieved when the trade deadline has actually passed....
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
the game doesn't start until 5:15....ugh
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Don't worry-
I’m almost drunk already!
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
i dont think i can drink again for awhile
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Remember when I had that VEB drinking game all planned out and then did nothing with it?
That ish was CRAZAY
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oh i will drink again for THAT.
friday night!
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you will have to change all the b****** ones
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Oh yeah
A lot of it has to change, actually…
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Nothing worse than a west coaster whining about a "late" start time...
Sometimes I fall asleep before the 9th inning.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
it just helps the work day go by
trust me, i would much rather watch the games from the comfort of my couch
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how late do you work?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
7:30 or 8
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except on fridays
then i leave between 5 and 6
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My hours are pretty sweet at my job
I assume it’s okay because I haven’t been yelled at
9:30-4:30 on normal days
3:00-10:00 on game days
Suits my dispositions so much
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your hours are sweet because they aren't paying you
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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
rec
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet!
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My job isn't paying me 7 figures
…yet?
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
p.s. i make my own hours
i choose to sleep until 7 and show up around 9:30. if i could get my lazy ass out of bed, i would not have to work so late at night.
but its a cycle.
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I wake up at 8:45 to show up at work at 9:30. It takes you that long to get ready?
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This morning I literally woke up at 8:55 and showed up at work at 9:15
Gotta shower at night to make that kind of morning turnout work.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Word
Though I live like 15 minutes away. Our new apartment is going to be literally across the street from where I work. It’s going to be awesome.
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I have a 12-15 minute bike ride into work
I basically roll out of bed and onto my bike.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
....as he rides through the beautiful san francisco weather
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
heh i look at that and think about how cold that is
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That's because that's cold.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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it doesn't sound nice to me
now, 77 and sunny….that would be nice.
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I miss LA sometimes
But very rarely
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can't you just park your car on the shoulder of I-70 and sleep in it
until this sentiment goes away?
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
that would be my city of choice
either that or denver. denver only wins if money is a consideration. money and traffic.
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yep. Everyone loves San Diego for good reason
Went to a couple of Tony Gwynn’s baseball camps there. Just perfect weather.
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Whales vagina must remind you of home.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Goddammit get back to work
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That would be nice.
I don’t mind the cold but anything below 70 I classify as cold.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
But I don't mind it if I'm dressed for it.
Also I wasn’t planning on it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Or, like, anywhere north of the deep south
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Where did you catch that?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Of course you do
You live in the blow-dryer that is Arizona.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
Also, FWIW
It’s been more like 70-75 and sunny in my part of the city for the last couple weeks — the weather here varies wildly based on which part of the city you live in.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
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Then she should be able to shave off 30 minutes of her mornings!
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its just funny how quickly your body adjusts to its environment
we were in lake tahoe at the end of june and i was cold pretty much the entire time and my family from oregon were all wearing shorts and sundresses
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Yeah
When I go home to Chicago for Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays now, I freeze my ass off the whole time. I cannot handle real winter anymore.
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Chicago winters are a different breed of winter though.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
this is the upside to living in the Midwest
you’re used to everybody’s weather, more or less.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
I think I'd rather have 90s than 60s for the high
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, especially if you're going to the beach
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Too cold for the beach here
Anyway, the Pacific is too cold for real swimming anyway, as I’m sure you know from your time in LA. And surfing in a wetsuit sucks.
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Eh you get used to it
Among the best days I had in California were the ones I went to the beaches of Malibu and just body surfed all day
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I'll stick with boarding over snow
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If I shower at night my hair looks like a Pekingnese died on my head in the morning.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I shave my head
Which means, unfortunately, that my best animal simile for my morning hairdo is a hairless cat.
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It is true that the animal simile is the only bad thing about it
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ha! same.
and it magically gets oily overnight
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I know!
It’s amazing.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
your life sucks.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
correct.
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i retract said statement.
you’re just lazy. who the fuck takes 2.5 hours to get from bed to work? you better be looking damn good.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't know how long my commute is!
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how long?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha about 6 minutes
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Tsktsk
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like i said, you better be looking damn good.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
on the weekends i get ready in an hour, sometimes less
but i do have to look very polished for work.
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so in reality it takes you two hours.
i would wake up at 6 (and actually get out of bed) and get to the office by 8. that put you out at a much more reasonable 6 or 6:30
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
She's not a morning person
God don’t you know anything about her?
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i'm just saying what i would do. that's all.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
if it were possible for me to get up that early i woudl do it
i used to set my alarm for 6 but then i just hit snooze for over an hour and piss off my boyfriend
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haha i'm the king of the snooze button.
my brother gets pissed off.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a kid on our hall freshman year...
he hit the snooze button for at least two hours and you could hear it all the way down the hall.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
well that's fucking rude.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
My roomate freshman year did that
It was awful. The alarm didnt even wake him up. I had to yell at him every 5 min to turn it off
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We're pretty sure this was true of this guy.
Because we never actually heard it stop.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Yeah to this day if I hear an alarm that sounds similar
I just get pissed off for no reason.
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Pavlov for the win!
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking polished means...
?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
That’s looking fabulous.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Oh, then more like
this?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't tell what kind of sigh this was
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Yeah man I so would
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Related note
The movie Breakfast at Tiffany’s is 50 years old this year.
Carry on.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
I was thinking this too.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
It takes me about 2 hours if I get ready all the way.
(Run, shower, air dry my hair a little before blow drying, blow dry and straighten my hair, get dressed, put make up on, choose accessories…)
Often I skip the blow dry and straighten and that takes about a half hour off.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
considering "run" could be eliminated....
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Says you.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I thought you were Rui briefly and was pretty confused by the hair-straightening.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
You think this Bieber haircut styles itself?
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh no he dih-int!
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
aren't there pre-pubescent girls to take care of it for you?
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know how to reply to this comment without being creepy
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ba da bing
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Unless your hair is horribly unmanageable,
just go with a little gel and the wavy thing.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
It doesn't work on my hair.
Actually my hair looks fine when I don’t straighten it, I just like it straightened.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
a great mystery of the universe
that ladies with curly hair fry their hair to get it straight
and ladies with straight hair fry theirs to get it curly or wavy
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I said it looks fine.
About half of it is wavy or curly and the other half is just straight. However if it’s super humid the straight part curls some so it fixes itself.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
another great mystery of the universe
any man saying anything about a womans hair other than it looks great
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yep i learned the hard way on that one.
they DO NOT under any circumstances want your actual opinion(most of the time)
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i wish i could do that
i started air drying my hair and wearing it wavy at work for like a week. then i was told i looked like a hippy.
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I like wavy
My wife always straightens it and I’ll all “Girl nuh uh”
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When I start going to schools and stuff I will most likely straighten it every morning.
It looks acceptable for regular school but unless I am having an amazing hair day it needs help.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Being a girl sounds hard.
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by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, they just make it hard.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and thats what she said
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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
YES! I GOT TWO PEOPLE TO TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT!
THREE!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a dude, and i will usually give myself 2 hours in the morning too.
i will run/workout first thing, and i just like to give myself a good amount of time to eat breakfast and gear up for the day.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I think the term you're looking for is metrosexual. Not "dude".
Real dudes roll out of bed and go straight to work. There is no “getting ready” or “giving myself time to gear up for the day”.
Actually I’m just not a morning person and I roll out of the rack 10 minutes before I have to hit the door.
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
but anyway, by the time i actually get out of bed, its closer to 7:30.
then i have to make coffee and take a shower. women wash AND condition their hair. we also usually have to shave our legs every other day. so now its 8:00. then i put my make-up on. now its 8:30. then i blow dry my hair, which is naturally curly, so i have to straighten as i blow dry. now it is 8:50. then i get dressed, go downstairs and make my lunch. now it is 9:15. then i leave for work. the drive itself takes about 6 minutes, but i have to park on bottom of the parking garage and take the elevator to the lobby. then i have to take a second elevator to get to my office. now it is 9:30.
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It takes you longer to put make up on than to do your hair.
I am doing something wrong.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
30 minutes for makeup?! no breakfast in that two hours?!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i eat breakfast at work.
by makeup i also include washing my face, applying toner, moisturizer, and eye cream. I also include the time spent washing my eyeliner brush every day. the actual make up application takes more like 20 min.
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God that's a lot of crap to do every morning
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yep. but no wrinkles!
…yet
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Gotta love being a guy.
Shower for 10 minutes, get dressed in 2 minutes, eat breakfast for 5. Out the door.
I’d wake up at 6:30 for school. Leave by 6:50.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You just reminded me how much high school sucked
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I'm going to have to get up at 5 this year.
I have no sympathy for Mr. 6 AM here.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
lolwut
At no point in college past my freshman year did I have to wake up before 10:00 AM
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word.
I had one class before 10 my entire undergraduate career (11 was my earliest class freshman year, seriously), and that was because 9:30 was the only time that class was offered, every semester.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I took an 8:30 class once
ONCE.
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that is the way to do it
I had to get up at 5:40 to catch a bus to practice as a freshman, which pretty directly led to me quitting that team and waking up at 10 or later for the rest of my college career. I can’t imagine committing to that for multiple years
What did you play?
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I was a runner in high school
converted to a rower for one year of college. Was much better as a rower, since not being stick-thin became an advantage instead of a liability.
My freshman year
I ran track & cross country. Morning track workouts are a special breed of hell.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
That is the truth
although at least you don’t have much in your stomach to bring up if it really gets to you
I had some 6:15 am baseball practices in high school
Nothing worse than getting up well before dawn in the dead of winter, trudging through snow to a cold car that is so old it takes 20 minutes before it starts blowing warm air, and then running a couple miles to start your day. Terrible.
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Try 5:30 am swimming practices.
Then leaving with your hair still wet. Then your hair freezes.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
That's also how you get sick for most of the winter.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Very true, it's pretty hard to not get sick during the winter
in college. Shit just spreads like wildfire.
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I won't pretend I can compete with the swimmers' schedule
You swimmers were insane.
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We were.
But it really brings you together as a team.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Hey us ultimate players were insane too!
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Not really
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Yeah
But it actually is a real sport!
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No argument from me
I’ve known a few really intense ultimate players. To play it at a high level requires great athleticism.
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All of our frisbee practices were, like, 8:00 - 11:00 PM
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You mean from 10-11
after toking for a couple of hours, right?
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
i had 6 am practices too during football and basketball season
nothing like being on a cold wet football field at 6 am and having the wet grass soak through to your socks.
not as bad as frozen hair though.
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You weren't n education major at a school in the middle of nowhere.
Therefore the absolute best commute I can hope for is about 30 minutes. And we have to be there around 7, preferably before.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Oh yeah one of my roommates is an education major
She’s going to have to do that this upcoming year
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Went to a college where all classes started at 9:00 am
but you only took one class at a time. Colorado College’s block plan…each block was 3 1/2 weeks long, then a 1/2 week in between each block…nine blocks a year (now they do only 8). Of course, classes could last from 9 until 11:30, and those with lab work had labs in the afternoon, but even so….loved college.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
phenomenal school.
college i went to took a page from that book and did one term per year like CC in May. best month of the year, bar none.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
Meant to say that the 1/2 week in between each block were
vacation days, called a block break.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that's because you didn't study science, jackass
some of us got up at like 7 every morning.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
Did this in high school, too
except it was 7:10 and 7:30, and I still had 3 other kids to pick up along the way, and be at school by 8:10. Of course, two of the other 3 were bro/sis, and the third one lived on the way to the other two, but still.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes I run out of shampoo and body wash, so my entire morning consists of a conditioner shower and whatever food i grabbed on the way out.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Your skin must be baby soft on those days.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
That's what every person I creepily tell to touch me says.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
OMFG moment:
Brendan Ryan is LEADING THE MARINERS POSITION PLAYERS IN WAR.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
i'm all out of tears.
i’m on to dry heaving
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Don't fret, IHB
It’s not because of what Boog has done, but because of what his teammates have failed to do
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Bro I posted that like a week ago
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That and because mysterui took his asian mojo back to the midwest.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Yes clearly I was good luck for them last year
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I mean, look.
Not only SKC, but the entire sport of soccer seems to have benefited from your arrival.
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
I cannot deny this effect
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Asian mojo?
I’m afraid that’s not accurate, I am a white dude.
TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN
Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP
because only 4 regular starters on that "mlb" team have positive WAR
by hr on Jul 25, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet their MIF is better than ours...
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
Why wouldn't they trade Pineda and/or Felix...
for a whole mess of decent position players. They could probably get Grandal/Meso + Frazier + Alonso + Hamilton etc etc…
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Yeah, honestly any decent flyball pitcher is going to do really, really well at Safeco
I wouldn’t trade Pineda yet but maybe Felix for a King’s ransom (lololololol) of prospects
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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They really need a catcher, third baseman, and a bunch of outfielders who can mash.
It’s not at all hopeless. I’m sure Mo would set them up with Craig, Rasmus, one of Cox/Carp/Freese, plus more for Felix. Just about any team would. Now that I think about it, they’re kind of crazy not to spread out the value that Felix represents. One twinge and all this value goes up in smoke
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
if Ackley had been on the roster all year he would be ahead of Boog
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
Miguel Cairo's walkup music is "Sex on Fire" by Kings of Leon
This is hilarious to me
Hit me up on Google+
My dog just attempted to run away from the pizza man at the door.
I’m not used to small dogs so I was planning on using my leg to block him. That doesn’t work when the dog can fit under your leg. Fun times. Luckily he stopped when I yelled stop at him and I could pick him up.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
FSNMW reports "shoulder strain" not rotator cuff on Berk
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 71
Same diff
Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink
dunno, you're the doctor
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 71
Alright well my brain is adequately fried.
No more Bar studying for me. I am putting my fate in whatever hands which it lands. This game needs to start soon!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Good luck, my friend
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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when's the exam?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 71
Tomorrow & Wednesday
6 hours each day.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
will be keeping all the fingers i have crossed for you
GOOD LUCK
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 71
Good luck.
I do not envy you.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
No Walrus in the starting lineup tonight
Carlos Lee starting at 1B
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
The Phillies are on pace for 104 wins...
YIKES!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
with an iffy offense
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
could have been us!
damn you ligaments and bullpens and shortstops
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
woo hoo!
Poplar Bluff on the pregame show!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Again, Shelby Miller pitches on milb.tv in 15 minutes
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I suppose
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Yes I got that
Thanks haha
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How you enjoying it?
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absolutely lovely, although it's a bit hot
I just finished picking my first year schedule. Because I’m on academic probation my first year, they only let me take 15 credits the first term (so 3 classes instead of 4). I’m taking Shakespeare, writing, and philosophy in film.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How are you already on academic probation?
When (and why) did you decide on Oregon?
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I got like a 1.8 GPA second semester senior year
So they put me on probation.
I convinced my mom to send me there about a month ago. I wanted to go there because it’s the same quality a school as the other two I got into, and my best friend is going there.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You got a 1.8 GPA?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 26, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes I understand how hard it is to get focused.
Hell I was unfocused as ever, but so where my teachers. I got a 3.72 GPA in the second semester without trying.
And no I’m not one of those kids that can do that either. That was like my 2nd highest GPA in a semester my whole time in high school.
by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2011 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, well I basically didn't do homework in any of my classes
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, where are you going to college again?
Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.
by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i hear the weather has been really random up there lately
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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pretty cool time lapse of the deconstruction and reconstruction of the playing surface
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Springfield Cardinals liveblog
OH GOD JIM RAPAPORT IS PLAYING
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Lineup
Rapaport
Jackson
Duncan
Castellanos
Cox
Cutler
Curtis
Jones
Swauger
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Christian Colon, Wil Myers (playing CF?!) playing for the Naturals
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Jeffress starting?!
What the fuck is going on
This game was an excellent choice to watch
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Fuck you Rapaport
Stop looking so sexy
Jeffress throwing gas
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Lines out to Myers in CF
Why is he playing there?! That really boosts his value
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Ryan Jackson lines the other way for a single
Then something weird happened and he wound up at 2nd
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Duncan strikes out on a nice curve from Jeffress
Castellanos having a good year. 17 HR this year already, plays a mediocre outfield I believe
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Cardinals lead 1-0
Ball goes right under the SS glove, Jackson scores, Castellanos on first
ZACK COX
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Bro's got pretty big thighs
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Jeffress throwing a lot of curveballs
They must really be wanting him to start?
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Ground ball to short
Inning over
SHELBY TIME
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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S'pose not
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wait, where is matt carpenter?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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wait i am dumb nevermind
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Heh. Yeah.
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LET'S DO THIS SHIT SHELBY
First pitch low
Pitch tap apparent
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Called strike 3 to open the game
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Chopping grounder by Colon to first
3 unassisted
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Poll on shortstop problem at Redbird Rants
http://redbirdrants.com/2011/07/25/its-defense-stupid/
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
what a wonderful day
just ate a great dinner, weather finally dropped from triple digits or close (WTF, Maine) to mid 70s, drinking my favorite IPA, and Cardinal baseball, against a team that they could actually beat, is about to begin.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
and in the course of the time it took me to do this, 300 additional comments
daaaaam, VEB
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
which IPA?
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
nope
need to go visit my aunt in bar harbor one of these days, just for the awesome beer we can ’t get here
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
phenomenal.
bottled 4 days ago, nonetheless. if you can get it, i’m sure it’s that bottling- the only other one was 2 months ago and it’s long gone.
"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
"we don't know what level we're on!!!!!!" -Mike Shannon
I've noticed the less one has followed the minor leagues
the more one likes Jon Jay. amirite? just a generalization though. I follow the minor leagues more than the average fan, but I just don’t pay that much attention compared to some people.
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions
cause it's a given that people always perform exactly to their MLEs.....
it’s like an iron law of nature or something.
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
that's why they play the game
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
More proof Gameday Badges are just messing with VEB
KMac – 6Ks
Motte – Save
Berkman – HR
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
We need a fresh thread for the game
this one is full of Theriot suck.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
but, there is an infinite supply
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
we need a part-time moderator
someone who has the cabability to create official gamethreads
by hr on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
vep do your job
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
VEP can do it
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or they could just schedule game threads.....
A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.
by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
fuck, its kmac tonight?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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and serving better meatballs than i had for dinner
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
that could be an interesting sitcom
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Secretary of the (VEB) Tyler Greene Fan Club
So, Alvarez is back with the Pirates tonight.
/know your nl central leaders
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
any chance we can trick Barmes into going into the wrong dugout
and shove theriot’s uni on him?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
he's also around 2.0 WAR
according to the chart The Continental posted yesterday. Greene can’t do that.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i'd say prob not, but i also say we don't know
i favor giving him that chance, though i know it is a bit risky at this stage of the season
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
can we do one of those things where we trade in the middle of the game?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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This game's started already?!
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Yep.
Bourn F-7
Bourgeois 2B to RF
Pence 4-3
Lee 6-3
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Thanks. It wasn't a clear shot on the Cards' feed, but it looked awkward.
Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?
he's rolling the ball over there
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Propsoal for Jose Reyes
Cards Get:
Jose Reyes
Bobby Parnell
Tim Brydak
Mets Get:
Colby Rasmus
Mykel Cleto
Thoughts?
Have you been smoking crack?
Any other thoughts I had were inappropriate.
I just don’t see any way that Alderson doesn’t laugh Mo off the phone if that gets offered.
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Alderson would love to get Colby Rasmus
Mo would not get laughed off the phone…
…he would hear a counter offer that included Izzy instead of Parnell
Izzy and Shelby Miller maybe
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Mets would trade Reyes for Colby
1 for 1 deal
I think the Mets would absolutely love to get 3 cost controlled years of Rasmus.
don't they want to keep reyes though
FIRE TONY RASMUS
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 26, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions

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