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Ryan Theriot is the St. Louis Cardinals' Weakest Link

PITTSBURGH - JULY 24:  Ryan Theriot #3 of the St Louis Cardinals misplays a ground ball in the infield against the Pittsburgh Pirates during the game on July 24, 2011 at PNC Park in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  (Photo by Jared Wickerham/Getty Images)

Last night, the Cardinals left the eye-pleasing confines of PNC Park in Pittsburgh, the victors of a three-game series against the insurgent Pittsburgh Pirates. The Cardinals dispatched of the Pirates in the first two games of the series and very nearly swept the Buccos out and into sole possession of third place in the division. A sweep was not to be as the Cards displayed sloppy fundamentals and poor defense in the series finale, blowing three leads en route to losing an extra-inning heartbreaker. Sunday's game is instructive as a microcosm as we look at to the non-waiver trade deadline and beyond.

A focus on the nebulous and easily contorted "intangibles" appears to have sidetracked some in the media who cover the Cardinals and many a fan as the trade deadline hysteria hits its peak. If the season as a whole had not already provided ample evidence to focus the mind on which position is most in need of an upgrade on the Cardinals, Sunday's game provided a Cliff Notes version of season's first 100 games, clearly demonstrating that Ryan Theriot is the club's weakest link.

In the offseason, before shipping Brendan Ryan to the exile that Seattle has become, the Cardinals acquired Theriot and quickly handed the job of starting shortstop to a player who had been deemed unable to play the position by both the Cubs and Dodgers in 2010 alone. Clubhouse chemistry and intangibles ominously factored into the justification for the decision. It was not until seeing Theriot bumble about a baseball diamond with great regularity that this writer achieved an appreciation for how terrible fundamentally the shortstop is, how truly horrendous his fielding is, and the lack of offensive talent he possesses. 

Star-divide

No player on the 2011 roster is so fundamentally unsound as Theriot. He uniquely combines a consistent inability to make routine plays on the infield with the poor base-running that led Cubs fans to invent a statistic representative of boneheaded antics on the basepaths--the deliciously titled "TOOTBLAN," which stands for "Thrown Out on the Bases like a Nincompoop," a component of "RTAOBP," or, "Ryan Theriot Adjusted On-Base Percentage." Theriot has carried on running the bases like a nincompoop during his time wearing The Birds On Bat, accruing a -0.3 baserunning runs.

In the field with a mitt on his hand is where Theriot is at his worst, a bungling, booting, rock-handed abomination to any fan of good fielding. In Sunday's game, Theriot was given his sixteenth error on the season. While credited with only one "error" in the box score, he bungled a grounder that a more adept shortstop likely converts into an out and was an accomplice in the winning run making it to third base when Laird's throw made it past Theriot and into the outfield. (Laird was given an error on the play.) Fans were sold the usual bit of spin for an infielder with the range of a potted plant. It's okay because Theriot fields the ones he gets to. Even this rationale, which sets the lowest of all bars for a player's defense, has proven to be hogwash.

Theriot's 16 errors tie him for third-highest for a shortstop in all of baseball, behind or tied with Elvis Andrus, Starlin Castro, Jason Bartlett, and Ian Desmond. Of course, Theriot's Assists (234) lag behind his fellow high-errers. Andrus has had 258 Assists; Castro, 268; Bartlett, 249; and, Desmond with 295. Theriot's Fielding Percentage of .950 ranks 25 out of 25 on MLB.com's rankings for shortstops. Theriot's ineptitude in the field is also supported by the advanced fielding metrics. Fangraphs has him as a -10.6 fielder, which is the worst of all MLB shortstops, behind even Yuniesky Betancourt, and Total Zone has Theriot at -11 runs, or, 96 out of 97 players on Baseball-Reference's Total Zone ranking for shortstops. Whether your prefer the defensive stats of yore, the advanced metrics of the present, or the good ol' eye test, Ryan Theriot is a gods-of-baseball-awful defensive player.

Bringing Theriot in as the everyday shortstop was also sold as part of a club-wide, offense-for-defense realignment. Coming off a .286 wOBA in 2010, Theriot seemed like he kinda, sorta might be an okay bet to rebound a little bit. Hitting for a .300 average was Theriot's lone tool and the Cardinals were betting that it had not dulled so much as to render him useless. They were wrong.

Theriot started off well enough, playing to the script penned during winter's Hot Stove in the minds of John Mozeliak and Tony La Russa. League-average offense and horrible defense produced a valuable player by WAR. Perhaps a combination of the decline of age that seems to hit middle infielders hardest and the pitchers of the National League figuring him out, Theriot's production stalled and then launched into an offensive nosedive. The walks were never there and once the worm of luck turned, an OBP propped up by a high average plummeted, as did his OPS and wOBA. As of this writing, Theriot's line sat at .274/.320/.333, the punchless components of a .292 wOBA. It is a line uncannily similar to 2010--the season Theriot was set to bounce back from--in which he hit .270/.320/.333, for a .292 wOBA. For the rest of the way, ZiPS projects a .271/.328/.330 line with a .296 wOBA, which feels about right. If it is, Theriot cannot justify starting everyday at shortstop.

Theriot's value is based entirely on his offense, which, in turn, is based entirely on him putting up a hollow .300 batting average. Theriot has seen the 10.7%, 8.2%, and 11.0% walk rates of his Chicago heyday erode precipitously, to 7.5% in 2009, 6.4% in 2010, and 5.5% this season. There is little hope that this will turnaround. Theriot already demonstrates good plate discipline, meaning he does not chase a lot of pitches outside of the strike zone. Even so, he has a horrendous walk rate. This is likely due to the fact that Theriot does not possess the ability to hit for power. If his slugging percentage isn't enough, simply glancing at his spray chart gives one an idea of Theriot's lack of potency with a bat:

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via pitchfx.texasleaguers.com

If you were the opposing pitcher and you were facing a hitter with this spray chart to his name, wouldn't you challenge him in the strike zone? There is little risk in challenging so slappy a hitter. 

Only by the activation of Gerald Laird is Theriot saved from having the Cardinals' worst wOBA. That being said, even the back-up catcher--a position notorious for its lack of offensive output--was but five points behind Theriot entering play on Sunday. Even with this slight wOBA disparity, Laird has been worth 0.1 Fangraphs WAR on the season. Theriot has fallen into negative WAR on the season and, at -0.1 WAR, has the lowest total on the club's 25-man roster. Theriot's WAR total is also the third-worst in the Fangraphs rankings for shortstop WAR

In so competitive a pennant race, the Cardinals cannot afford dead weight on the roster. Right now, the deadliest weight being drug along by the club as it attempts to win the division is Theriot. A player at once so punchless a hitter, inept a fielder, and poor a baserunner should be easy to upgrade. Let's hope the front office is able to do so, for the Cardinals' playoff chances may hinge on it.

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Furcal?

He’s been bad so far his year in 134 PA, but that might be due to some rotten luck. His BABIP is .208 but his LD% is over 21%.

He won’t hit 600 PA, so his vesting option is a non-issue. With the dodgers financial troubles, we might be able to get him for pittance just by taking on most of his remaining salary (pro-rated 12 M; also due $3M signing bonus in
Jan. ‘12).
He can’t be worse than Theriot, right?

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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 7:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Barmes

I’ll keep beating this drum until 31 July.

by gocards62 on Jul 25, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

In division trades almost never work

I recall the cardinals wanting to get someone from Pittsburgh a few years back and them wanting Anthony Reyes in return (it was like a 4th outfielder or something the cardinals just wanted to add for depth and Reyes was at the time our #1 prospect).

Besides, it’s really unlikely they are gonna take the shortstop job from theriot unless he gets hurt so we might as well make peace with it now.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 8:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sure. I was just saying that the whole "intradivision" trade thing is overblown

That “issue” only makes sense when a team is trading a player who still has multiple years on a contract. It doesn’t make any sense here when Barmes is on a one-year deal and the Astros are clearly out of it for this year.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I imagine they give him up for a Joe Kelly-type as well. Personally, I’d be happy to do this just so I don’t have to watch Theriot’s sorry ass any more. I’d vaguely hoped that tDescalso was going to get the lion’s share of SS starts from now on, and I still think that’s maybe a viable hope. It’s not a long-term solution, and I don’t think his glove is massively better (it’s better, but still not ideal), but he’s surely a better hitter than Theriot.

There is just no excuse for Theriot getting any playing time even if we DON’T add anyone.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm happier with Descalso....

…as our short stop.

Griebenschmaltz!

by The MooCow on Jul 25, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1.

I was worried that he wasn’t athletic enough to play the position, but he’s looked great out there with the glove.

He seems a capable, if unspectacular, hitter as well. He even has a little pop. A decent SS with a strong arm and a fair bat would be a HUGE upgrade if Descalso can provide those attributes.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

he has SS experience in amateur ball.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What "amateur ball" experience are you referring to? Pony league?

The 12 games he played at SS at Palm Beach in 2008? (BTW, he was horrible during those 12 games – six errors in 49 chances)

He played 2B in high school and 3B at UC Davis.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't look at me

they listed out all his positions / levels on the tv. and that was the statement.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Schumaker a 2B in college

Or am I misremembering?

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was high school

but I could be misremembering that too.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right.

UCSB’s site lists Jared as an outfielder.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

the tv also said he never played SS in the minors

careful what source you use, most don’t think he’s had much SS experience at all.

by miamigirl54 on Jul 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the minors are not amateur ball.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 26, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Punto definitely out as a SS option?

If not, I’d like to see DD/Punto combo at SS

and Skip/Craig combo at 2B.

by gocards62 on Jul 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yet he trusts Theriot's?

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.

by garden nome on Jul 25, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

theriot's arm is weak

not about ready to blow up.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a simple slump

he was better and more clutch prior to the slump he’s in.

by miamigirl54 on Jul 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was luckier.

He is basically doing the same thing he has all season: Not walked much, not hit for power, and made decent contact. Any amount of bad luck really crushes a stat line like that because it is totally dependent on balls in play.

Also his defense.

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A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may be the weakest link

But I can’t see Mo upgrading the position. Theriot has performed exactly like anyone could have predicted and Mo still acquired him. It’s too bad Tyler Green can’t step up in at major league level.

by nmstar on Jul 25, 2011 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

This.

I can’t see Mo making a trade to replace one of his big offseason acquisitions.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

too bad

finding a taker for erriot at the deadline is my first wish for jmo

i also would be ok with bringing up tg and just putting him out there and let it go at that

would he be worse than erriot?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree

Theriot had a reputation of being an “average” shortstop. With all the errors he hasn’t preformed like an average shortstop. He also was suppose to be a leadoff man who can get on base as a good clip, and while he was doing that for a little bit, his OBP has dropped to .319.

Tony has since been sending out Danny Descalso, a guy who has never played short stop to play. To me, that sends up a flag that TLR doesn’t trust theriot. And therefor, it may be a position they go to upgrade.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

this. obviously this.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

In yesterday's pre-game

John Rooney asked LaRussa what he thought of Descalso’s plays made on Saturday at SS. Tony said in response (i’m paraphrasing) “he sure is making it interesting. when it comes to filling out that lineup each day, he gives me real pause.”

FWIW, I think it’s significant and believe that TLR is noticing that Theriot may not be the best option for us at SS.

on Aug. 1st, I look forward to this…

Jay CF
Freese 3B
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Berkman RF
Craig 2B
Molina C
Descalso SS
Wainwright pitcher

Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!

by timmycardinals on Jul 25, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Recently Tony has seemed to be taking a results-based path towards his lineup

definitely too recently to actually have much of a trend, but it leaves me hopeful.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

No Clobby in the lineup?

C'mon you Redbirds, lets prove em' wrong, again!

by yer dog first on Jul 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

not what I'd prefer

but kind of what I suspect…

Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!

by timmycardinals on Jul 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has 3rd most starts

he’s slumping. tony must be loving it.

by miamigirl54 on Jul 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure he'll be in the lineup

in Chicago (I hope not, but I’m growing more fearful that we’re going to make a stupid trade)

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

August 1st lineup.

Furcal SS
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Berkman RF
Craig 2B
Freese 3B
Molina C
Kuroda P

by rumors on Jul 25, 2011 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

TOWELS. MULTIPLE.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Kuroda is a guy I’d be interested in too. Making assumptions on what the Dodgers would require, but that’s a name I wouldn’t mind hearing us connected to.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kuroda wants to stay on the West Coast, and has a full no-trade

From what I’ve read. Think it was Jon Weisman’s “Dodger Thoughts” blog.

Can chase down the ref if I have time this aftn….

YOG

by YearOfGlad on Jul 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just remember hearing he didn't want

to be traded to an east coast team. I don’t ever remember seeing that he wanted to only stay on the west coast. I could be wrong though.. it’s happened before.

by stxcardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he'd be fine with being traded to a contender.

If anything that no trade clause might make him cost even less than he really costs

SC4

"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
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TWITTER

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only one game.

"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby

by The Continental on Jul 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

thought it was 2 or something. well dd has only played 2 games at short right?

FIRE TONY RASMUS

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 since the ASB

(Theriot has played 5 before tonight.)

by TBender on Jul 25, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

didn’t realize he’d played short that much already

FIRE TONY RASMUS

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can, though it's certainly not a sure thing

TLR lets some things ride during the first half of the year. It always seems like he’s less tolerant of mistakes in the 2nd half.

Hey, keep hope alive.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Theriot is going nowhere.

by Stanley1 on Jul 25, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Free Tyler Greene

In 128 PA’s at Memphis Greene has a slash line of .318/.414/.536/.950. I know he’s earned the reputation of being a AAAA player. But he’s never been given consistent at-bats at the major league level to prove himself. Currently, 2010 stands as the most plate appearances he’s received in St. Louis with 122. In all, he’s had 355 PA’s in the majors spread over a 3 year period. He’s consistently dominated AAA, imho, he deserves a chance for consistent playing time at the major league level. I’m not saying he’s the shortstop of the future or he’ll ever replicate his AAA numbers in St. Louis; however, I think his numbers justify giving him a chance to do so, with regular playing time. He can’t be any worse than Theriot, right? Also, he currently still leads the major league club with 8 steals, and has 8 more in Memphis. There’s been some recent chatter about the club’s inability to steal bases (not that stolen bases are that big of a concern), just another reason to give TG a chance.

by bw133 on Jul 25, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

one problem with that

Tyler Greene has been given several chances to do so.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he's also historically

needed a pretty decent chunk of time to get up to speed at every level through the minors.

A Descalso/Greene platoon at short would be a huge improvement over the current situation. It’s unlikely to happen, but I’d be happy if it did.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

that is true

adjusting to coming off the bench isn’t easy for any player.

cough.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not with regular playing time.

He’s never started for a full month in the big leagues. If Jay’s going to be playing every day, put him at the top of the lineup with Freese in the 2 hole and stick Tyler Greene at SS in the 8 or 9 spot in the lineup every day for a month. What do we have to lose? I don’t think it’s even possible for him to be worse than Ryan Theriot has been the last month.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Greene's biggest problem isn't

that his bat takes time to adjust.

He seems prone to those absolute boneheaded mistakes that drive LaRussa nuts. That’s why ne never gets an extended chance. One thing LaRussa does not tolerate is absent-mindedness on the field.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 25, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot isn't absent-minded

he just sucks.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think his stupid, bone-headed mistakes would have grated on Tony enough by now

If Tyler Greene’s bone-headed mistakes when he plays once every 3 months just disgust LaRussa, then how is it that Ryan Theriot’s bone-headed mistakes when he plays EVERY GODDAMN DAY not make Tony want to kick a puppy?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

But if we’re talking about trading to upgrade the pitching staff and taking on significant dollars to do so to avoid giving up talent, wouldn’t it make sense to cut our losses with the worst player on our current team first?

Hell, Westbrook probably becomes a bona-fide 3rd starter if you put Greene and Descalso in the middle infield when he pitches.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes me wonder whose idea it was

to trade for Theriot—Mo’s or TLR’s?

by gocards62 on Jul 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good question

Because whoever made the decision to roll the dice with Theriot over J.J. Hardy deserves to be exempted from talent evaluation in the future.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

a lot of teams passed on Hardy. He didn’t look too great last year.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

neither did ryan f. theriot.

hardy was younger and had some upside.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would also suggest that,

due to his defensive skill, Hardy also had a lower floor than Theriot.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I can think of

that would have a lower floor than Theriot is someone deciding to carpet the bottom of the ocean

2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I mistyped.

I meant “higher floor.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you figure it out

there’s always this thread

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

welll

When we traded for Theriot Mo said “He is our starting short stop.” TLR said, "there will be competition in spring training for the starting shortstop. " Later, Mo traded Brendan Ryan. Then Greene failed to do anything worth while in spring training.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember it that way.

I remember TLR saying Errio was the starting SS.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

testing my memory

Mo on Ryan Theriot. 20101130 “A lot of play at short stop” “Winning player”

When asked,“When you anticpate he’ll be your starting short stop?”
He answered, “right now we envision him as our short stop.”

Still searching for the LaRussa sounds clip.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

timey wimeys

November 30 – Theriot traded for (gawwww)
December 4 – Berkman signed
December 12 – Ryan traded out

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

first mention of rally for boog

November 1

so it’s on you, VEB.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

HOnestly

Theriot is ALL on Mo IMO. It’s pretty clear that Boog being moved out was as much about player power as anything (I’m not sure we can put that on TLR, although it did happen in his clubhouse) but Mozeliak had options to add any number of shortstops either by trade or free agency. He chose Theriot. Bad move, as it transpires…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

mlbtr SS free agents
Shortstops
Bobby Crosby (31)
Adam Everett (34)
Cristian Guzman (33)

I tried to find something from earlier, but this is what I got:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/03/the-elite-shortstop-shortage.html

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

(end of 2010 season, obv)

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which makes you wonder all the more

How the Orioles got JJ Hardy for a pair of shitty 6’6" pitchers.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he passed the language test?

/jaime

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The trade itself was decent:

Theriot wasn’t a horrible bet to bounce back and we needed the MIF insurance since Lopez had imploded the year before. The problem is that instead of betting on Theriot to bounce back as a platoon 2B and backup SS, we installed him as unassailable starting SS and traded away a better and cheaper player.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

and without knowing what happened in the clubhouse to get Boog booted out, it’s hard to know exactly how to apportion that blame.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This I agree with

But the thought seemed to be that we were acquiring him to supplant Brendan Ryan, and when Ryan was traded 6 weeks later, that became apparent. The FO acquired Ryan Theriot to be the starting SS, when they could have acquired JJ Hardy to be the starting SS.

Even if we weren’t in the market for a starting SS at the time (suppose Ryan was “the guy”), wouldn’t it make sense to acquire Hardy anyway? Look at it:

  • Will make less than $6M (he made $5.1M in 2010 and was due arbitration after a terrible season)
  • Costs little to nothing in talent to acquire. (Baltimore got both Hardy and Brendan Harris for what amounts to Brandon Dickson and David Kopp, and I think Dickson and Kopp are actually BETTER than the pitchers the Twins got)
  • Will be in a contract year. If he doesn’t play well, he’s signing a vet minimum deal for quite a while. If he plays well, he’ll be the second best SS on the market behind Jose Reyes.
  • Will be an above average defender even if he doesn’t hit a lick. The previous two years combined he hit .247/.310/.374, which is basically Brendan Ryan-esque, but with a higher power projection. But his upside was basically what he’s doing this year, which will end up making him a 4 WAR player.

The only advantage to going after Theriot is saving ~$2.5M or so (which was spent on Punto, Batista, and Laird, basically) and not losing 2 crappy non-prospect pitchers in the deal.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you say this?

He makes so many fundamentally unsound plays. Did you see that matador act at 2B yesterday with the game on the line? He wasn’t even in position to put down the tag!

I would’ve gotten pulled in high school for that play, and as a pitcher in college, I would’ve been fuming. He does that shit all the time.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

to me

absent-minded means things like, not knowing the where to be in position, who is covering the bag, where to throw the ball to etc…

Most of theriot issues are just range, not able to catch a ball on hard plays, (like ones were the ball collides with the leather part of his glove.), and not being able to throw a baseball with enough velocity that it reaches first base before the runner.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So generally...

skills required to play SS in the Major Leagues.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

those ones.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

HFS!!!

We agree on something. I knew this day would come.

I will now eat a cupcake to celebrate.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

there it is

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

absent mindedness

I agree it seems TG makes the type of mistakes that drive TLR crazy. As discussed below though, mistakes are mistakes, negative value is negative value. TG might make the type of mistakes that TLR deems inexcusable, and if that’s a case, there’s a larger systemic problem. While I’ve been frustrated at TG’s blunders in the field, it’s as if you can see the frustration on his face, like he knows he’s in trouble and he’s never been able to play with a sense of security. Basically, if he screws up, he’s not going to start anymore, then he screws up and it creates a downward spiral. While he may never put it together, and hasn’t yet to this date, I’m simply advocating for an extended chance to see if his talent can eclipse his perceived “boneheadedness.” He is one of the best athletes in the organization, has excellent speed, power potential, and last but not least, plays shortstop. What does the team have to lose? -.1 WAR, last time I checked.

by bw133 on Jul 25, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've read this before...

I wonder when and over whom

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. What is there to lose? We know Theriot sucks.

Tyler Greene’s wOBA+s in 2010 and 2011, even as “bad” as he’s been in the limited opportunties he’s gotten, have been 93 and 95.

Theriot’s in 2010 and 2011 have been 94 and 96.

At least Greene has upside, can steal a base, and can make a throw from the hole.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Incidentally

Greene still leads the team in stolen bases.

by paposse on Jul 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

this kills me

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes on tg

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...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, he really can't be any worse than what we have.

Not only that, but if he can translate some of that offense to the MLB level, we’ll have an inexpensive SS on our hands that we can then trade for a minor league reliever so that we can pick up Jason Bartlett off of waivers and start him at SS in 2012. Or maybe I’m getting ahead of myself….

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes yes yes

i’ve always been (too) high on TG, but i agree with this and what has been said below. he’s never been given consistent playing time. run him out there for a month and see what happens. if he comes even close to what he’s doing in memphis…can you imagine? it would be a HUGE upgrade.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

elsewhere she said “iheartdavidfreese” so which will it be?

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been trying to convince her

since Boog went on with the impersonations, “i heart boog” actually hearts the entire team.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

iheartalotofpeople

actually, i don’t heart tyler greene in the same way. i just like him better than theriot and i’m curious to see what he could do, given an adequate opportunity

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

IheartthefacthtatTylerGreenecouldbeadequateincomparisontoRyanTheriotwhosucksballs

doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know what you mean

I like Greene over Theriot, much like I would prefer the the common cold to pneumonia.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I don't know..

Wait yes I do. FUCK YEAH!

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll be the secretary

so long as i dont have any actual responsibilities

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you count repping for Tyler Greene's promotion to the MLB club as an actual responsibility

Then yes you do. That’s pretty much the only requirement.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool, i'm in.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have a BA is speech comm

what does the public speaker have to do?

by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

start a public rally

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh I may have to consult with the VP to figure out your exact duties

But your qualifications pretty much speak for themselves. You will get the job and I’ll tell you your requirements later.

So far, just rep Tyler Greene to the ground of getting him into the majors. And if you start a public rally, your salary will quadruple so there’s some incentive for doing that.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

hows this for a start

Tyler Greene’s wiki

Tyler Greene update - .319/.412/.531

FREE TYLER GREENE !!

by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahahahahahhhahaha

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Public Speaker is think is my title

public relations officer has a nice ring to it.

you should lobby the president.

Tyler Greene update - .319/.412/.531

FREE TYLER GREENE !!

by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's wonderful.

I like the stats line in your sig as well.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i submit that in gamethreads when Theriot screws up,

be it in the field, at the plate, or on base all members resound…

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

FREE TYLER GREENE!!

/reply fail

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Submission granted.

I think we can safely say… that no member will oppose this otherwise they aren’t a true member of the club.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

talk, talk, talk; when do we eat?

the annoying thing about bgh’s excellent white paper on the situation is that it is old news. I don’t know, in this case, if it is Mo or Tony (or if Theriot has a cache of damaging pictures on one or both of them) who won’t pull the trigger, but this has, now, gone on too long.
Is it Tony? His ‘loyalty’ to players, combined with his mania for keeping everybody involved with (often specious) juggled line-ups.
Or is it Mo? His hands tied in trying to get a replcement player for Tony to use, at a reasonable cost.
OR, for godsakes, are Tony and/or Mo drinking the cool-aid on this? as in, Theriot is not the problem, he’s been ok, he’s been what was expected.
Thank you anyway, bgh, for solid grist on an already condemned mill. Theriot IS the biggest problem we have.
p.s. keep Colby

by thetewk on Jul 25, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

its only old news to those of us that have figured it out

even yesterday, some posters were continuing to defend him. some people need these things spelled out.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

old and odd

erriot can’t be asked/assigned to play any position other than ss, but everyone else bounces all over?

and its not like he has any record to make one believe he is going anywhere but downhill

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The dropoff from Ryan to Theriot...

is going to seem like a tiny step compared to when Jay takes over CF and Rasmus is traded…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Whoa

Why so down on jay? He has outplayed Rasmus pretty convincingly this year and it’s not really a SSS anymore, he’s hit very well in almost 600 at bats at the ml level.

Comparing the drop off from Brendan Ryan to Ryan theriot to the drop off from Rasmus to jay is just wrong. Jay is a much better player than Ryan theriot and he’s been about as gOod as Rasmus this year, if not better.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just look at Jay's minor league track record...

Rasmus is 24. He put up almost historic numbers as a 23 year old. His age 25-28 seasons in a place where the manager just writes his name on the lineup card and leaves it at that are going to be awesome. Jay meanwhile is going to regress to a 320 babip or so, he’ll continue to walk 6% of the time, and iso will continue to be 100-120… It’ll add up to 280/335/390 while Rasmus is 260/380/500 for Tampa or Boston or the White Sox.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thing is, though: Raz isn't 260/380/500 for St. Louis.

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by StanTheManFan on Jul 25, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

hopefully the word missing from your sentence is "yet"

I hope Tony gets him playing time and he can figure things out. i would hate to see him blossom for another team.

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by floodOfLove on Jul 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

My point is: will he EVER reach 260/380/500 with THIS team?

We are so used to players overperforming in St. Louis, or at least performing up to their full potential, that we forget sometimes that it isn’t automatically so.

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by StanTheManFan on Jul 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

See the 2010 season.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

A legitimate question to be sure

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did that last year and for the first third of this year...

are you aware of this? Look at yahoo sports or baseball reference or fangraphs. They have his actual numbers. If he did it before and he’s 24, one would surmise that he’s a decent bet to do it again.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

He has looked pretty awful for a long stretch this year, and I don’t think you can wash all of it away with BABIP. However, last year happened too and it does seem like that has been completely wiped out of manys minds. The narrative has taken root that he can’t fit in here, when he had an OPS+ over 130 at age 23 just last year. I think people remember the airing of dirty laundry on the P-D more than anything.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honesetly, last year is "almost" wiped out of my mind because

every time you try to discuss THIS year, you get 100 comments of “BABIP OMG.”

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reason I am more worried about Jay's BABIP than Rasmus's,

is Jay’s much lower walk rate. Like Schumaker and Theriot, Jay has his offensive value tied up in hitting for a high batting average. I hope that Jay’s OBP climbs and makes him less dependent on a high batting average, but that doesn’t mean I’m not worried about it going forward.

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by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like jaybird, but he is not the long term answer in center

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is for sure

if Jon Jay is our 4th outfielder until he becomes a free agent, i would be thrilled, but if Jon Jay starts more than 100 games in a year as a Cardinal, i think this team is doing something wrong.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of his value comes from BA, not a lot of power

Yeah I’d probably agree with that

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

Even out the BABIP for both and they are pretty damn close. Just look at Skip’s first couple of seasons in the bigs.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know most people don't agree with this

but I think Jay is good at finding the gap when hitting. I suppose one may be able to prove that directional hitting does not exist, but I think it does to some extent. by that I mean being able to find the gaps. plus skip just doesn’t hit any dingers. and of course, Jay is faster and more valuable on defense, probably.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 26, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmm. no, i don't agree.

his spray chart suggests a pretty even spread from foul line to foul line.

however, that is a different kind of skill. by spraying hits all over the place — and my subjective impression and a fairly high LD rate suggest generally hard hit OF balls — there’s really not a good way to defend against him. there’s no shift to put on a guy who hits balls all over the OF.

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by tom s. on Jul 26, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah

interesting point… keeping the defense guessing. random is good in baseball a lot of times.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

important to note jay's splits aren't nearly as pronounced

skip should never, ever be given a PA against an LHP

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by all4tookie on Jul 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but it's a flawed argument

to post that Rasmus is due to regress to a year where his BABIP was very high, and Jay’s BABIP is set to regress a LOT lower.

I’ll be the first to admit that Jay’s BABIP is due to fall some, but he sports a very nice LD% and has demonstrated through his career both in the majors and minors that he can maintain a pretty hight BABIP.

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by Eckstreem on Jul 25, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The BABIP argument has been beaten to death

But the one thing I will argue is that Rasmus has a lot of power he can tap into when he is right. Some would make the argument that it’s a bit overblown because people look at his numbers that one year in Springfield, and that park inflates. Which is true, but I believe it is cancelled out by his age at the time.

So, no, I don’t see him as a .300 type hitter at any point in his career but I do expect him to be a guy that hits 25-30 balls out of play via the homer many years in his career, with potential still there for a little more at his peak – with enough plate discipline to prop up an OBP.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he'll be a .250 average guy, but one who can smack 25+ HR per year

with a solid walkrate, and real contact problems leading to a high K rate.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was right about that 2010

So yeah, I see no reason to believe a .880 OPS isn’t very possible in the future.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

[Please don't turn this into a BABIP war people, but...]

His hitting line last year was .276/.361/.498, which is pretty darn close to .260/.380/.500.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

And any way you cut it, Raz was a tremendously valuable guy last year.

The question is whether he will ever be so valuable again — with the Cardinals.

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by StanTheManFan on Jul 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The best way to insure he won't be valuable with us is if we get rid of him

I don’t see why he can’t do it again if we keep him. Colby has been an above-average hitter this year rather than a very above average hitter. For a partial season. Players have bad stretches, it happens.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I should have use "ensure" instead of "insure"

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah, man

i’m taking out a policy on colby’s OPS

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

you drink ensure

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it does help support digestive tract health

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well by golly gee we really need to take a good hard look at our team next year

Most of those fuckers can’t even get Rasmus’ not valuable 1.5 fWAR.

I’m tired of seeing this same thing.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

DING, DING, DING

Doesn’t matter what Colby does somewhere else, that does not mean he could have, or would have, done it in the Lou.

by Stanley1 on Jul 25, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did it in 2010...

he did it for a couple of months this year… he’s now in a two month slump… Why would you buy some media narrative instead actual results that occurred just recently?

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

because he just likes being the biggest pessimist in the room

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

sss

All-around, but you already knew that.

by Stanley1 on Jul 25, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you really know what you're talking about here...

Rasmus has 1500 career plate appearances through his age 24 season and a 110 ops+ playing CF. That’s very good and it’s not a small sample. And of course it “matters” what Rasmus does or would do somewhere else. Performance is more or less transferable throughout baseball.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

OR

Rasmus could continue his slide and Jay could continue to improve.

Before I get started, I will say that I am not on the trade Colby bandwagon.

Small Sample Size alert, because that’s what we have to go on:

Jay’s career OPS is now 20 points higher than Colby’s. At the A ball level, Jay posted an OBP .043 higher than Colby. At high A, Colby’s was .022 higher. At the AA ball level, Colby’s OBP was .012 higher. At AAA, Jay’s was .010 higher. I know I am picking and choosing stats here. Colby’s SLG was through the room compared to Jay, but this season Jay is slugging .040 higher than Colby despite having less home runs (but more per plate appearance). Jay’s OBP this year is also slightly higher than Colby’s OBP from last year – one that everyone in VeB forums was gushing over last year.

When you add in that (according to b-r, at least) Jay’s defense has been 1 run better in both of the last two seasons.

by stlfan on Jul 25, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

But the slugging and OBP numbers this year aren't really a good argument in favor of Jay

Jay’s massive .353 BABIP is inflating his .311 average, which is inflating his .364 OBP. I don’t know if I’m ready to accept that Jay is a Joey Votto level BABIP hitter, but that’s what he’s approaching this year. Colby had an almost identical .354 BABIP last year. He’s also had way more PAs in his major league career for things to star evening out.
Jay’s production is more dependent on his batting average, because he has a lower ISO than Colby, even this year with his healthy LD%, and a much lower walk rate. He is out “sluggin” Colby only because of his high batting average. He is not a better power hitter than Colby.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t bench Colby in favor of Jay at the moment, but long-term I really don’t see how Jay should be expected to out-hit Colby. BA is the only skill I see that is better than what Colby offers.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only person who walks less than Jay is...wait for it...

Ryan Theriot.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skip doesn't?

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by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I looked this up a few days ago...let me check again

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

With two walks yesterday, Jay pulled ahead of Skippy.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

yesterday

It was pleasant in a boring sort of way to see him reach base the first 4 times, two by taking a walk.

by paposse on Jul 25, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It can't just be a jay vs Rasmus argument

It has to be “does trading Rasmus for other good players and replacing him with jay make us a better overall team?”.

I’m not advocating just releasing Rasmus because I think jay is better (I don’t, I think he has played better though). But if you can acquire multiple players for Rasmus or just 1 really good player and you have jay to fall back on, that could make the team much more well rounded.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Historically...

players in a slump who are at odds with their manager and who are getting a lot of crap from the fans do not bring their full value in trade. The reasons for this are pretty obvious.

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by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don't know if he is at odds with TLR this year.

all accounts seem to point that he is relatively happy in 2011. Admittedly, I don’t pay much attention to that.

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by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

what if the manager likes him?

does this mean we can trade erriot?

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this too

But can we all admit that Jay is almost definitely a long-term downgrade from Colby? Can we just agree to that, folks? Jay is pretty much at the top of his game right now, and Colby is certainly not at the top of his. I know Jay has out-valued Colby is less playing time, but there is luck involved, and it’s not exactly an overwhelming comparison.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yesterday there seemed to be a small compromise...

people started saying that Jay has “out-resulted” Colby this year. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he outlucked or outplayed, just that the results have been in Jay’s favor so far in 2011. And I don’t know if you can argue that.

Colby showed so much promise last year, I doubt that he has forgot how to hit. And I STILL don’t understand why Jay out-resulting (outplaying or outlucking whatever) means we have to trade Colby. They are both relatively cheap for their performance.

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by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, read that wrong

Thought you said Jay “out-f***ed” Colby this year. Thought you must have a real, real interesting mole in the man-stew there….

by YearOfGlad on Jul 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dirty Dan gets everyone dirty...

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's not a mole!!

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh my.

these are pretty great.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have spent far too many hours

Laughing and trying to apply these titles to Cardinal players. Like:

Boog: If You Give a Mouse Cocaine

Chris Carpenter: The Little Engine That Killed For Sport

Etc….

by YearOfGlad on Jul 25, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Did I Ever Tell You How Worthless You Are"

Dr Seuss writes on Ryan Theriot.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The Cape Lets You Fly, Go Ahead, Jump!"

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by YearOfGlad on Jul 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

or alternately

begin debate on Jay vs Rasmus fielding.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

jay has another 2-3 years at the top of his game

he is only a year older than Colby. He is also under team control throughout those 2-3 years.

But yeah, long-term downgrade.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I meant "top of his game" as in his performance is pretty much as good as we can expect it

I don’t think Jay would hit like this over a full year of PAs in a hypothetical 2011.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ugh

I hate it when i type out a long reply and it vanishes.

Jay has always been a High BABIP. And like Votto and Ichiro, the one thing Jay does have going for him is his low IFF%. I actually might dive into that more, but as an hypothesis formed by looking at players with a high BABIP on a year to year bases, guys with low IFF% tend to have a higher BABIP. Maybe a fan shot in the next few weeks if I can find time.

Comparing Jay to Rasmus is stupid anyway. Jay is a 4th outfielder. Rasmus is our starting CFer. (the fact that when they both played yesterday, who was in center) I have no issues with sitting Rasmus while Jay is hot and Rasmus can’t hit the side of a barn. But the fix isn’t to trade Rasmus, it’s to get him right again. He can carry a team when he is right, Jay can’t.

Now, I would be willing to trade Rasmus for the right deal, but I’d trade any Cardinal for the right deal.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I LOL'd at
Rasmus can’t hit the side of a barn

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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mostly agree...

still, if Jon Jay hits a 430 foot bomb, we’re not talking about how he can’t hit worth a damn the next day.

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by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

but man can he ever walk to that barn.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

walk?

more like a lazy, dispassionate saunter

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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

or a stroll.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

not in his slump he cant.

Rasmus has a career BB% of 10%. During his slump it has dropped to a Jon Jayish level of 7%

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Such a shitty argument

So Rasmus at his worst is as good as Jay is. It’s not like we can predict slumps, so why would you even use them in an argument?

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

First paragraph is intriguing

And I totally agree with your second and third paragraphs.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would definitely like to see someone looks more closely at an IFF%/BABIP relationship

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can do an econometric regression

with BABIP to see which batting metrics affect it the most.

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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy this batman!

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 25, 2011 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think that's a most reasonable position to take

Bottom line is the Cards have two solid guys in Rasmus and Jay. Rasmus is the guy who has star potential because of his speed and light-tower power. Jay is a little more of the “you know what you’re getting mold.”

Right now, Jay’s results have been better than Rasmus’s, so play Jay for now, see how Rasmus does in the meantime, and then reevaluate in a few weeks. Spinning him off for a song when his value is low (slump + Unicornian Asshat) does not seem like a wise solution in any way, shape, or form.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please stop making sense

Your rationality is getting in the way of the screaming about BABIP.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jay has 600 plate appearances in the majors

Are you really fucking comparing him to Votto and Ichiro? Really?!?!?!?

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jay has a 6.4% walk rate.

If he isn’t hitting .300, he’ll have a hard justifying his place in the lineup. He has a .353 BABIP and is hitting .311. When the BABIP drops, so will his production, and significantly, because he doesn’t work walks. That is my concern.

You’re also not considering their respective ages at each minor-league stop. In A+, Rasmus was 19; Jay was 22. In AA, Jay was 22 and 23; Rasmus was 20. In AAA, Jay was 23 and 24; Rasmus was 21.

Jay’s defense has been only 1 run better—which is essentially the same—yet he has played more innings in the less demanding corner OF positions.

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by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well that's kind of a dumb thing to say.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of guys never pan out

Happens every day to guys with just as much talent as Rasmus. And Larussa pretty much did write Rasmus in every day in the first half, but Larussa tends to go results based in the second half and for all Rasmus’ promise and for as well as he played last year, he’s looked bad this year. Jay has earned more playing time and Rasmus hasnt.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 9:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Through April and May...

Pujols was hitting what Rasmus has hit over the course of the entire year. Are you going to move Berkman to first and Jay on June 1 because Pujols is opsing 750? Why not? A 32 year old is more likely to be in decline than a 24 year old.

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by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh because pujols has a 10 year track record of performance

Rasmus has a track record of minor league dominance.

But yeah, it’s totally the same thing.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't really think either should be benched...

but benching or trading a 24 year old in favor of a demonstrably less talented player is dumb.

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by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

You don’t think it makes sense to bench Rasmus for jay right now because, what, Rasmus has a better pedigree? Bfd, Jay may be “demonstrably less talented” but he’s outperforming Rasmus.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would not ever start Jay over Rasmus...

Rasmus was hitting 280/380/450 at the end of June. In 150 plate appearances since he’s hitting 200/250/370.

This is literally what the entire Rasmus affair is about. A 24 year old player with a track record of amazingly good results has had 150 plate appearances of 200/250/370. Anyone who understands the nature of baseball shouldn’t even bat an eye over this.

Rasmus slugged 550 as a 20 year old in AA. He hit 280/360/500 in the majors as a 23 year old. Jim Edmonds played for Vancouver when he was 23. Bernie WIlliams was in Columbus. Kirby Puckett was playing in Visalia. Ray Lankford was in Louisville. Willie McGee opsed 700 with the Cardinals. Ken Griffey hit 300/400/600. When a player has to be better than a bunch of HOFers or near HOFers and match Ken Griffey Jr’s numbers to keep the dogs off him, you know there’s an expectation problem.

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by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Expectation Problem: The Colby Rasmus Story"

A James Cameron Film*

(*Because you know it’ll be both super over-the-top and somehow preachy in a way that is kind of insulting to our intelligence)

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's an expectation problem + a recency bias

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, couldn't recency bias in general be part of a broader problem with expectations?

It’s unreasonable to expect players to not have slumps, even relatively prolonged ones. Players aren’t metronomes.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Michael Bay made it it would at least be enjoyable.

Heavy on explosions, light on ham-handed lessons for humanity.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albertus Prime.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Eh... I'm not so sure about this.

Sleeping would have been better than having to watch a 150 minute movie on Transformers 3.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

Caveat: I have seen neither of the Transformers sequels.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, a lot of people I know liked it.

But like for instance one guy liked it with the caveat of it not having enough hot chicks. So yeah… that probably gives you a good idea of the amount of intellect this movie uses.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

so is

Signing Carlos Silva.

In other news…Ride the hot hand.

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

riding the hot hand, unless there is evidence that there's a reason for the hand being hot, is terrible

policy.

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by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have been dozens of economic studies that deny the "hot hand" existing

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

bugs the shit out of me. People bemoan Jay’s high BABIP (hot hand) and say it is bound to regress. So why is riding that a horrible policy? I’m not advocating trading Colby but geez he’s playing like shit right now. Past results aren’t going to help win a baseball game tonight. They provide a great frame of reference that says he’s bound to break out sometime so you should play him but if someone else is playing better, your going to make him sit because you have Colby Rasmus on your team? Rasmus needs to understand that he is now competing for playing time and he’s got to go out and earn it.

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a horrible policy because of the gambler's fallacy

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please stop comparing the gambler's fallacy

to individuals playing sports, especially individuals playing sports over short periods of time. It is simplistic and wrong.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gambler's fallacy was actually the wrong logical fallacy to use there

But it’s not irrelevant to sports, as you claim

But it actually is a horrible policy to ride the hot hand

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

I’ll agree that we probably overestimate the degree to which players get “hot” or “cold,” but there’s a coherent causative explanation for how someone performing a complex, skill-based task can “put things together” well for a certain period of time to perform above their long-term norm (or vice-versa). Do you have evidence that’s not the case?

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're ignoring randomness...

which plays a significant role in short term fluctuations of performance.

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by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not ignoring it

that’s why I said we overestimate the degree to which players have actual “streaks.”

But saying that there is no such thing, full stop, is taking things too far, unless you’ve got a compelling presentation to show that the degree of clustering you see in player performance is no greater than we’d expect from a randomly distributed sample.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Here’s just one study

That’s one I had to read in a game theory class. I’m too lazy to find more, but there’s lots out there

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

#LazyRui

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by Alxfritz on Jul 25, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, that was an interesting read

I’m not completely convinced, but it makes a good case that the randomness involved is more than I was factoring for.

I’d be interested to see the same analysis performed for baseball specifically (there’s a bit of a difference between repeating the task in quick succession and repeating it over a period of weeks and months, with time to adjust and practice your approach). I’ll have to try and look that up later.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

...
there’s a coherent causative explanation for how someone performing a complex, skill-based task can "put things together" well for a certain period of time to perform above their long-term norm (or vice-versa).

Sure, but most of the time, it can be explained away by BABIP fluctuation. Some days, some weeks, the ball just happens to fall in more than other days. Like I said, there have been dozens of economic studies denouncing the hot hand myth. It’s probably just randomness.

Therefore, you play whoever has the higher expected wOBA. At this point, that actually might be Jon Jay, but if you believe that Colby is the better hitter and that Jon Jay is just a “hot hand” for a few weeks, then Colby should be getting the bulk of the playing time

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether it's "irrelevant to sports" is a different question than whether

one should use it in an analogy to describe “individuals playing sports, especially individuals playing sports over short periods of time.”

The fundamental problem is that the gambler’s fallacy is based on fixed set of odds/circumstances that NEVER change. That is clearly and obviously not the case with “individuals playing sports, especially individuals playing sports over short periods of time.”

It’s just a bad analogy. At best, it is a simplistic one that breaks down in this context almost immediately.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is very rare for a player's true talent level to change, yes?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever heard of a guy named Bautista?

Also, have you ever heard of a guy hitting 30 homes in the first half and 10 in the second half? If that was a player on your team, would you change how you played him in the last week of the season?

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Jul 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Data point of one

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we including

PED fueled data points?

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

...
riding the hot hand, unless there is evidence that there’s a reason for the hand being hot, is terrible policy.

He apparently had major changes to his swing and philosophy. This is well known.

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by all4tookie on Jul 25, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well sure,

but I don’t think this is the thing we’re debating. What we’re debating is the “evidence” portion, and when dealing with sample sizes this small it’s very tough to prove either way.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay so it happened once.

That’s pretty rare.

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your question doesn't get to the point, and is also vague.

“True talent” means what in this context?

The baseline talent in a particular skill (e.g., a player’s hitting ability) if you assume they make no changes to their approach/mechanics and assume no change in approach or “true talent” of the pitcher?

What if I change the hitter, make him older, bigger, stronger, give him a new approach and/or swing, and I change pitchers and the way pitchers pitch him?

Bottom line, I will go back to my original point – the gambler’s fallacy, which is mentioned repeatedly around here – is simply the wrong one to use in this context. And, the “hot hand” fallacy, while it could be relevant in some (few) baseball contexts, is usually not, because the baseline parameters of the “experiment” are constantly changing, therefore one never knows if the fallacy exists.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who

would you start in CF tonight? Jay or Rasmus?

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me, Rasmus.

I would not trade either player, and Jay woud be my primary 4th outfielder (and get lots of at-bats as other players rest, get hurt, defensive replacement for Berkman, pinch hitting opps, etc.).

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% agree

I wouldn’t be mad if they rested Berkman a little more.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's another good point to be made here

It’s nice to have both Jay and Rasmus around. And resting Berk more would mean more playing time for Jay.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although

once Craig gets back, he becomes a logical replacement to let us rest Berk against lefties. Unless he’s becoming a second-baseman. Sigh…do fans of other clubs have difficulty telling whether players are infielders or outfielders?

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

and you bring up the other point

when Berkman rests, it should most often be vs. a lefty but since Jay and Rasmus are both lefties…

The most right-handed-hitting heavy lineup we could field would be Craig in the OF, Punto at 2B, and (ugh!) Erriot at SS.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

things will be much better when craig returns

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be the first to admit my

ignorance so I’ll ask this question anyway. Are you basing this answer on the sample sizes each (jay and rasmus) have provided with their body of work and you believe, at the end of the season, that Rasmus will perform better than Jay? I think I understand that you think slumps and streaks are all part of the deal and that the final outcome will be in line with his historical performance?

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, please continue to ask questions

They’re thought provoking and make us reinforce why we believe what we do as well

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

I do think Rasmus is better overall but Jay is better right now. I just don’t get why you don’t play the lucky (BABIP) guy for a while.

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because he has gotten lucky doesn't mean that he will continue to be lucky

It would be foolish to bet on that fact, so you go with the better player

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay

then why even bother pointing to BABIP? If it gives you a picture of luck? It doesn’t matter. Play the better player based off Projections? WAR? Whatever?

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the better practice is to try to determine

whether there is a reason for the BABIP to be low. A low LD%? A high IFFB%? A lot of home runs? Is the BABIP in line with his career numbers or the league’s average BABIP?

If the player has a high LD%, a low IFFB%, and is hitting worse than his career BABIP and league avg. BABIP – then we might say that he is simply hitting the ball “right at people” and that his “slump” is a function of bad luck. If that’s the case, we should not expect the “worse” player to outperform the better player going forward and there’s no reason to prefer the “luckier,” worse player. The trick is to determine whether the bad performance is “luck”-based or there is a “reason” for it – and, of course, the problem is that it may be a constantly changing mixture of both.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

what...

like this?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you get pocket aces one hand,

and then you get pocket aces the second hand, your third hand is just as likely to be shitty as your opponent’s hand.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I picked Rasmus because he hit a home run yesterday and he is "hot!" (j/k)

I’m basing this on the info that I have (while acknowledging that I don’t have info about how tired a player is, whether he’s injured, whether he’s feeling comfortable/uncomfortable with his swing, I haven’t looked at pitching matchups, etc.).

IMO, Rasmus is a better player than Jay, today and long-term. I think Ramsus hits for more power, takes more walks, plays slightly better defense, and is a better baserunner. Basically, I think Jay is a fine player, but that Rasmus is better. In the absence of knowing what’s in the first paragraph of this post, I think Rasmus should start.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

This is an excellent breakdown of this as well.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, i got news for them

hot hands do exist

in fact, they are statistically inevitable

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

...uhhhhhhh

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are inevitable.

They just inevitably end and cold streaks inevitably turn to hot streaks and it’s all unpredictable.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't say they were predictable, just that they exist

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

They exist

But are more than likely statistical noise

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a bit of a problem with this notion, to be honest

I think it’s very hard to “prove” that streaks are not to some extent predictive. I’m not necessarily sure which side of the argument I fall on, but those who say “it has been proven that streaks in baseball are not predictive in any way” have some way to go to convince me. The work I’ve seen on this is deeply flawed and frankly I think the notion itself somewhat stretches the bounds of a credible hypothesis.

I wouldn’t pick a team overly based on recent performance, but that said, I also feel you’re setting a dangerous precedent (something that is often forgotten in this argument) by saying that the most talented players (in terms of true talent level) start every game, regardless of recent performance; that could serve, in certain situations, as a serious disincentive to players trying their hardest, which I’m pretty sure you want to minimise as a manager. So, in summary, streaks probably don’t matter all that much from a future performance point of view, but I find it hard to believe that they don’t matter AT ALL, and I think picking the team based to some extent on recent performance is basically the right thing to do.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

have there been studies done in baseball specifically?

i would imagine that batting in baseball would be more likely to exhibit a “hot hand” effect due to the complexities of the swing mechanics- getting your swing in precisely the right place could cause one.

that being said, i have read at least three studies denying the hot hand effect in basketball, and i suppose the basketball shot motion is pretty complex as well.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine it's much different

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

i figured as much. i was just wondering if you knew of any baseball-specific studies- but i will just go read The Book.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never done that, actually

I probably should…

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that the swing is complex,

doesn’t make it any more likely to hold together for longer of explode sooner or coalesce more slowly or quickly.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cold

hands don’t help win baseball games.

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about lukewarm hands?

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by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what they say about hands....

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah

You ever hit a foul ball with cold hands? Hurts like shit

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

BS - colby, as has been well documented, was on a god-almighty bad slump.

then he hit a single and a homer. that’s an anecdote and not “proof,” but sometimes people appreciate anecdotes more. more elaborate studies show that slumps and streaks do not predict future performance.

there’s very little that’s predictive about being 0-27.

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by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if

you were the manager, you would start a slumping Colby over a streaky Jay because if Colby plays to his potential he is better than Jay right? Because game to game results aren’t predictive?

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you think Colby is a better true talent hitter, sure

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time with this

mentality. (Not that it is bad or anything.) It’s that on one hand you point to all these statistics that say in the long run Colby is a better player. (which I agree with.) Take a 2 month long sample and prove that Jay is actually playing better than Colby right now. Point to same statistics to say Jay is playing over his head and Colby is slumping. Then say statistics aren’t predictive gameday and it comes down to talent. So TLR should play Colby from a long term statistical probability that he is the better player and more talented. I hope I got that covered.

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think this

But I also think that Rick Ankiel is the best pitching prospect I’ve ever seen. But he never got to his ‘true talent level’ in the major leagues. This is the thing that is everyone’s concern: That Rasmus never gets to his true talent level except for 3-5 weeks at a time before going in a slump so bad that he makes you miss Eli Marrero.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think Rick Ankiel was about as close to "perfect pitching prospect" as you can get

 Nineteen year old lefty in the high minors he struck out 12.7/9(!!!!) It never ceases to amaze me. But the warning signs were there. In his banner year he walked 4.1/9. So sad.

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by purple_haze on Jul 25, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly, this is where coaching comes in.

You have to talk to Rasmus to make sure that 1. He is not injured and 2. That there is not some other problem, but if it is the case that Rasmus is fine, then you play Rasmus.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's always possible Rasmus really is just playing badly, or whatever

Maybe something hurts or he admits he isn’t recognizing pitches as well. Or something? I dunno. I’m kinda grasping here.

Colby did recently say something like, “I have no idea what’s not working” didn’t he?

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like luck to me.

His line is almost entirely varying on BABIP, but it’s important to make sure that he knows he can get help or rest if he needs it.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a psychologist

many have the physical, but not the mental/emotional make up to succeed

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh.

He is in the majors. Just let him play.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, it kinda depends on how you go 0-27 though right?

If you go 0-27 with 27 strikeouts, you might have lost your ability to see. Therefore, you’re not likely to ever get out of that slump. Extreme example, but you take my point.

Ryan Theriot is a prime example. He had a good month of April. Ever since then, his LD% has gone on downward slope while his GB% and FB% have gone up. This isn’t a slump that he seems likely to “come out of” unless those things resurrect themselves. Therefore, I don’t think that his .190 BABIP is really “unlucky”, it’s somewhat unlucky, but also something we would expect from someone who’s hitting a lot of ground balls and fly balls but has only one home run.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with Tony giving Jay some increased playing time while Rasmus struggles

However, I would hope that Rasmus does get opportunities to play his way back to being in the lineup almost every day.
Trading Rasmus is the only part of this whole saga that I would have a real problem with.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yesterday would have to help.

he scorched the ball.

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by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That home run was a laser

Did it leave the stadium? It was out of there so quick.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The dropoff between Brendan and Theriot has been

2.1 WAR

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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

can we stop comparing the two?

it’s just too confusing

that said ryan > ryan <<< ryan

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vogelsong? Franklin? Dempster? Theriot? Brendan?

B.J.? Jackson? Doumit? Ludwick? Raburn? Rowland-Smith?

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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

certainly

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Place him on waivers.

Maybe someone bites.

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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh great..

now we need a SS, a SP, and a loogy.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Descalso can play a passable SS

If you cut Theriot there’s room for Tyler Greene, who is at least decent defensively even if he only gets two hits every 20 PA’s and strikes out the other 18.

I just don’t see any reason at all to keep a player who is the worst player at his position defensively in the entire big leagues AND someone who continues to lead off after hitting below the Mendoza line for two months.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know...

just applying frog’s rule to our team.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...slight amendment

SPs who drop under 0 WAR go to the bullpen first, where they are given a few weeks to fix whatever is wrong, otherwise…

Later.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think we won't need a SP if we get a short stop

Suddenly our short stop isn’t giving away 1.2 outs a game and all of our starters are going deeper into games.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

/starts sobbing

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

have some towels.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to career numbers, the dropoff is .3 WAR

Jay has a career .352 BABIP, Rasmus has a career .307 BABIP. Jay is one year older than Rasmus. Jay was not nearly as highly regarded as a prospect.

I think the dropoff is bound to be close to 2 WAR.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This should be a thread dedicated

to bashing the hell out of Ryan Theriot! How did it turn to a Celebrity Deathmatch between Rasmus and Jay?

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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is accurate

But the Rasmus/Jay this is approaching more “overs” quickly. Gotta love those false choice narratives!

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this team going to keep Boog or will it have good clubhouse chemistry?

Does John Mozeliak want to win or is he going to keep Miller and Martinez?

Will Tony Larussa have a glass of wine or adopt an animal?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell would Strauss write about if it weren't for false choice narratives?

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd be so desperate for material he'd probably just come out with a list of people who don't like him.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

a glass or a bottle?

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno 'bout that....

…there will be a drop-off, but nothing like Ryan to Theriot. Jay is a very capable CF and a decent hitter.

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by The MooCow on Jul 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, the idea is we'd get some sort of fair return for Rasmus

Seeing as we have 2 capable CFs, I would not mind turning Rasmus into a MIF or SP of himself. My biggest reservation with trading Rasmus is we probably wouldn’t get fair value.

by TheBirds on Jul 25, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

looks like the dropoff from Boog to Theriot is about 2 wins (Boog looks like an average shortstop, albeit a glove-first guy; Theriot is replacement level). I think the dropoff from Colby (who’s maybe a 4 WAR player right now, with a bit more upside) to Jay (who’s a 2 WAR player, probably) is about equivalent.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 25, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Descalso

The web gem to end the game Saturday was fantastic. I was at the game and he made a few plays that had Pirates fans asking who he was and complimenting him.

Over the rest of the season is it possible he would have more value there than Theriot?

by paposse on Jul 25, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

To further that

What would the value be of a Descalso(SS)/Craig (2B) tandem be vs Theriot/Schu the rest of the way? Craig made his first rehab start at Memphis playing 2B.

by paposse on Jul 25, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't know that

but it’s awesome on multiple levels

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Started in LF yesterday, though.

They are preparing Craig to be that rarity, a slugging utility man.

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by StanTheManFan on Jul 25, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

well i didn't even know he was rehabbing yet

good news

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ty Wigginton

with more pop and a better average?

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

mark derosa with an un-sploded wrist.

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by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

rehab start at second, eh? that is excellent news.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's inevitable that Descalso would be more valuable than Theriot over the rest of the season at SS.

Theriot has officially entered the territory of Franktista by blowing so many games.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

bring back Eckstein

i miss our World Series MVP

618. Represent.

by ldr on Jul 25, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

besides, he might retire rather than move from Cali

he’s shifted into supporting his wife’s career, last I heard.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

*pukes*

God I hated him.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because lots of people thought he was better than he actually was? He was a surprisingly OK player when he was a Cardinal.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The former

I actually don’t know why I hated him. I think I really hated the fact that everybody gave him credit for stuff that literally everybody else does. I wasn’t aware that was a thing at the time though, but it may have just been me noticing all the love he got.

I was pretty bitter over the Scott Rolen-snubbing of the WS MVP. Although not that bitter since, you know, we won the World Series.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get that

But this means that you don’t really hate David Eckstein. You hate stuff that a bunch of people other than him did.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not like he was bosnian

oh i went there and i should not have

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah that's probably right.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Yadi deserved the MVP

Rolen second and maybe Eckstein third, I also think the WS MVP should be changed into a postseason MVP to reflect who helped the most over that timeframe not just the one series.

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by StLHugo on Jul 25, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eckstein's two biggest hits were miscues by the outfield.

And I believe Rolen just played better.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

david eckstein was the inspiration for many great FJM posts

and for that, you should love him.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony at least seems to be figuring this out

Didn’t descalso start something like 4 of the last 7 games at short? (one was for theriot’s suspension but this is still a good trend).

Larussa has always coveted offense over defense and theriot is down to a 319 obp so I have to think la russa knows this and is going to start trying other players there

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 8:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

To Theriot's credit though

His .319 OBP is exactly average according to Fangraphs. That is the only thing he is doing in a cromulent way.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ian Desmond

We know Washington covets a centerfielder and recent rumors are they are shopping Desmond due to their triple a shortstop hitting well and their gm is said to love him. If they are down on Desmond right now I wouldn’t be surprised if the cardinals could get zimmermann and Desmond for Rasmus.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 9:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Which Zimmerman?

Ryan Zimmerman? No fucking way are they trading him. No. Way.

Jordan Zimmerman? Highly unlikely that they’re trading him either — he factors into their rotation as a #2 or #3 guy behind Strasburg for 4-5 more seasons.

I’m not even all that interested in Desmond either. Part of the reason they’re looking at replacing him is that he’s hitting worse than Ryan Theriot. So why would we give up talent for him?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zimmermann = the pitcher

Zimmerman = the 3B

and i agree with desmond. he’s boog if boog were an average defender

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The nationals are considering trading "the mOon" for a cf

To me Rasmus for zimmermann (2 n’s is the pitcher) is a pretty good deal. Same age, same salary, same years of team control remaining. If you can get Desmond in there (he’s struggled but he ops’d .700 last year as what, a 21 year old?) that’s a much better trade than Edwin Jackson and Matt Thornton or whatever the hell is floating around now.

I’m not saying trade Rasmus for the sake of trading him, but I’ll deal anyone for the right package.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd make that trade....

…Adding the Zim would way strengthen the rotation and push KMac to the pen; Jay’s take over in CF is drop, but not a giant one, from Raz.

Griebenschmaltz!

by The MooCow on Jul 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the kind of trade I could tolerate

we need to significantly strengthen some part of the team for several years if we’re giving up a valuable young player. If we could nab those two for, say, Rasmus plus a B or C prospect, I’d be ambivalent, but not furious.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a great trade for us.

It allows us to take a flier on a SS that could possibly turn into something decent while we get a really good SP this year who can be our best pitcher for some time to come as well.

There is no way in hell the Nationals go for this without us throwing in some significant additional value.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see why they would make that deal.

Certainly Zimmermann has more value than Rasmus going forward, especially when you consider that Jayson Werth can play CF (although he probably shouldn’t), and that there are various FA available at the end of the season to fill that role. Hell, it’s possible that Harper would even play CF by the middle of next season if he gets the call up.

I don’t know why anyone would trade a #2 starter for a slighty-better-than-average-defensively CF who’s hitting .200 since June 1st.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone needs an update on the name-spellings of the Zimmermen(n)

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: (pending update)

by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did that once but made the mistake

of only posting the separate pictures. I should have made an actual gif.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would absolutely make this trade-

but the Washington GM would not. sorry. why on earth would they trade Jordan Zimmermann for a struggling CF, when they will need a pitcher just like him to contend in the future?

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably already discussed, but...

Cardinals rumored to be pursuing Jeremy Guthrie

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Yuck

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is a 4.30 xFIP guy in the AL East really a yuck?

I mean, it’s a yuck if we give up a lot for him, but he seems like a useful arm.

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: (pending update)

by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd be great for 10 starts...

then he’d be a free agent. Not quite the return I’d like to see for #41player

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize he was a rental

OKAY SCREW THAT JUST GET RICH HARDEN INSTEAD

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP

by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

best thing about Guthrie,

is he wouldn’t cost us Colby (at least he shouldn’t).

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also herd...

Koji uhuhhhuuhuuuu, or whatever, which is the guy I prefer…

:=8)

Griebenschmaltz!

by The MooCow on Jul 25, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

i want Koji Uehara really badly.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

always seemed to some extent like an ERA mirage to me. ZiPS and his current xFIP and FIP don’t seem to suggest he’d be a massive upgrade over KMac. So – maybe a 0.5 WAR upgrade over the 8 or so starts he’d make? And he’s not guaranteed to be in a post-season rotation either, which is a big issue if we’re trading for a starter right now. Even in a close pennant race, not sure that’s worth very much.

I’d rather get someone who’ll cost no significant prospects to be our 5th starter, stand pat, or actually aim for someone who might be a bigger upgrade like Kuroda, or even Vazquez.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to go for a top prospect for Rasmus...

someone like Sale or Hellickson or Cosart.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

austin jackson is in his age-24 season

and is an average-ish defensive CFer

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

....and he plays for the Tigers

….and he led the American League in K’s last year while hitting only 4 home runs.

Do. Not. Want.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah, shit

who can tell those american league central teams apart anyway

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

There’s a lot of players on the Tigers that I’d like to have.

There’s, like, two players on the White Sox that I’d like to have, lol.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Next season,

the question is appropriate, since either Berkman or Pujols will be gone.

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by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's excellent

but 5.5 million a year for a reliever in Cardinals land is a closer, not a LOOGY. On top of that he’s going to be 35 soon.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, he's in his 30s and his K rate has nosedived this year

he’s probably still one of the better lefty relievers in baseball, but year 3 of that deal could be ugly.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not young?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

This was discussed yesterday. Ramirez’s contract following this season:
12:$5M, 13:$7M, 14:$9.5M, 15:$10M, 16:$10M club option ($1M buyout)
And he will turn 30 in two months.

by adiueordie on Jul 25, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that the contract situation wouldn't be ideal for the future

But it would set us up really well for the rest of this season at least… and if Pujols leaves, y’know…

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not too bad

the 2015 is the only year that worries me. He’s a pretty good player, and probably provides surplus value for the first couple of years.

But anyway, I don’t understand the WhiteSox rumors – they’re in a pennant race and I can’t see why they’d trade an important piece of their rotation (Jackson) or their starting SS.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Check Future Redbirds this afternoon.

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
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by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sometime back

before the season started and after the Cards had acquired Theriot, somebody posted on this site a comment that said something like, “Good luck if you try to throw a runner out at second base. I have never seen him catch a throw from the catcher on a steal attempt.”

I thought it was an odd comment at the time but it turned out he was a prophet of Bibical proportions. That was the most feeble Little League attempt at blocking that ball yesterday that I have seen in a long time in a major league game

The Cards cannot win the division with Theroit at short.

.

by ridgesee on Jul 25, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen

but this is like the US Congress. When is the obvious going to be taken care of?
Instead we have Colby drama (senseless) and starting pitcher talk (meh)

by thetewk on Jul 25, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first throw into center was Theriot's fault, too!

Laird double pumped until Theriot got anywhere close to the bag, then threw the ball past Theriot in a last-ditch effort to get the runner.

by stlfan on Jul 25, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehh I dunno.

A’s a catcher you’re always taught to just throw the ball at the base, not at your teammate. He should have just come up and thrown it immediately and you have to trust your ss will be there when the ball is. If you are gonna double pump just don’t even bother throwing it because it’s never going to be a good throw.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

THIS.

That was a truely pathetic effort to block that ball from going into cernterfield. The “Little League” description you used is perfect.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh for god's sake

It was a bad play, but that’s not home plate. You can’t put your chest in front of the ball and then magically get your body out of the way and apply the tag. You have to set up like that so you can apply the tag.

He just screwed up.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

Some of the stuff that Theriot gets criticized for, and how he gets criticized for it, is crazy.

by Stanley1 on Jul 25, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not crazy at all.

When Theriot continues to fuck up routine plays it is not out of order to criticize him for it. Theriot has done MORE than enough to deserve the bashing he gets around here.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

You’ve got to be kidding me.

Have you seen the man play a game since April? I’m starting to wonder.

In the 10th inning of a game on the road, the one thing you CANNOT DO AS A MIDDLE INFIELDER

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

is let the ball get by you in CF on a steal attempt with less than two outs. It’s more important than just about anything else on that play. And he didn’t do that. Theriot looked like he was playing matador with that ball. Get your fucking body in front of it and knock it down, nancy-boy. The runner moving to third base with nobody out leads to a run expectancy of about 80% in a traditional situation. In extra innings? It’s probably closer to 90%. So, Theriot letting that ball get into CF raised the expectation of a run by about 50%.

It was the worst possible play of the game.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

what he said

Theriot did that twice!!!! in the same game. Unreal. Every infielder knows they’re supposed to get in front of the goddamn ball. Even if you don’t get the out, keeping the ball on the infield means the runner can’t take the extra base, which takes away the sac fly.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't there one out? Paul was the second batter of the inning, right?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Theriot had any redeeming qualities, he might get less flack,

but even worse, it’s not as though his defensive problems are rare or unpredictable: He missed the ball twice at second without even knocking it down. His arm costs us double plays in almost every game. He doesn’t make the plays he gets to, and he gets to less balls than most shortstops.

How is it crazy to criticize him for not making plays that are utterly routine, or for repeatedly making the same mistakes?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not the criticism

It’s “how” as Stanley1 pointed out. “pathetic” and “little league” as descriptions are just silly. He made an error. It wasn’t little league.

Albert had an easy out on an easier play and screwed up. If he doesn’t screw up, the Theriot play doesn’t happen.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The description may be unkind, but I don't see how it's inaccurate.

If Theriot were getting screwed on bad hops or unlucky on calls or just making an error now and then, that would be one thing. The fact is, his defense simply is not major league caliber. He costs the team outs every single game. It is pathetic.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

At least Theriot, IMO, isn’t making a bunch of errors and stuff b/c he is lazy, or just “baseball dumb”.

As for his playing time, he HAS been playing a lot less in recent weeks. If Punto were healthy, he’d probably be playing even less. But b/c DD makes a few great plays at SS, nobody questions his defense when he lets a groundball eat him up, or makes a terrible throw to 1B. Both of which happened in the last 5 games or so.

by Stanley1 on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot is the worst SS in the league.

Who gives a shit if he doesn’t make errors because he is lazy or “baseball dumb” and just because he sucks?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

For sucking.....

He sure has convinced a lot of ML managers and GM’s that he is worthy of starting.

And why do we not expect his defense to get back in line with his past seasons? He’s already made more errors this season than in any other. His fielding percentage is the lowest of any season. Don’t go quoting me any defensive metrics, I don’t care. We all knew his range/arm would be average at best, likely slightly below average. What we didn’t expect were the errors on routine plays. Looking at his past seasons, I see no reason to believe he won’t turn it around. If he’d just cut out the stupid errors, his defense would be perfectly acceptable. And for several weeks, he had done just that.

by Stanley1 on Jul 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, he has been able to convince two (about to be three)

different organizations that he is not a ML shortstop. One of those teams demoted him for a 20 year old, and the other one played a guy who had scarcely played shortstop instead of Theriot. Sound familiar?

Last year it was Jamie Carroll. This year it will be Dan Descalso.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the guys who moved him from SS are two of Tony's best friends!

You think they would have warned him!

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by Alxfritz on Jul 25, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've never considered "making routine plays"

to really be much of a positive. To me, that should be the absolute minimum standard.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a reason they're called "routine."

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

many people considered experts use that often as a positive...

my response is usually: “well so did I, when I was 8”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you,

that making the routine play should be the absolute minimum one should expect from a MLB player.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

so hey

if there’s anyone at BCB varsity
they’re ROFL their asses off, right?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

We sure were

when Miles went to the Cubs. If they aren’t laughing, they aren’t paying attention.

"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby

by The Continental on Jul 25, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

then he came back.

Miles did a pretty good job of double-agent, though.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's so sneaky, because he's pocket-sized

A simple google of Aaron Miles rendered me this and it made me laugh (LINK because it’s so big)

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the baseball version of the

NFL QB who “manages games” for their team.

Why would I want a QB that can “manage a game” for me? That’s just a nice way of saying that he can’t “win a game” for me.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell

that to Trent Dilfer!

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by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole Dilfer thing is such a bunch of shit

He only started 8 games for that 2000 Ravens team. Brian Billick was trying to replace him all season. They drafted Chris Redman the year before and started Tony Banks for 8 games, and he might be the worst starting QB not named JaMarcus Russell in the last decade.

Not only that, their entire post-season run was based on luck. If Tony Siragusa doesn’t flatten Rich Gannon in the first half of the playoff game with the Raiders, the Raiders have a good shot at winning that game. The Baltimore defense was the best we’ve seen in a long time, but Brian Billick would have dumped Trent Dilfer for just about any QB in the league who could complete a 10 yard out had he been given the opportunity.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh man

Tony Banks. Ugh.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

looking at his present performance

I see no reason to believe he will revert to past performance and “turn it around”

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by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

As bgh wrote above, he is basically replicating last season.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referencing Stanley's comment

that he would “turn it around.” He is what he is. There is nothing to turn around.

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by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I’m not sure how much we need to repeat this, but there really just isn’t much evidence that Theriot is someone other than who he has been for the last two years.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

he convinced his last two managers he should be moved off SS to second base.

he convinced his last two clubs that he should be traded for a bag of peanuts.

appeals to authority are not very convincing, but you should at least do them right when you do them.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stanley, I like your opinions here.

There is too much groupthink and they add good, baseball-related discussion.

But I must disagree. Theriot is absolutely “baseball dumb.” He makes many mental errors (and physical errors) and brings nothing to the table otherwise.

I could tolerate him as a utility player. But he is imsply not a starting-quality SS.

As for Descalso, I agree. People are hopping on the bandwagon of his defense too soon. His first few games there were not good.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he makes a lot of errors and stuff because he is not in any way

even an AVERAGE major league shortstop. He’s just not very good. Period.

by RollBirdsRoll on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, the worst kind of compliment.

He’s fucking it up, but at least he’s fucking it up the RIGHT way.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

re "baseball dumb"

did you miss the whole TOOTBLAN thing?

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he should have got in front of it.

I am aware that it is not home plate. He could however have used his glove to stop the ball.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had the reach to get both of the balls that passed him, but he let both of them go to center field.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Stopping either of those balls would have been nothing more than routine. His attempt on the 2nd of the two just looked pathetic. The first one he tried to make the tag before the ball was in his glove.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

He should absolutely get in front of it on that play

Once the throw is in the dirt, the whole idea of tagging the runner goes out the window and you immediately sell out to keep the ball on the infield. The throw sucked, but Theriot’s instincts on that play were mind-numbingly bad.

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP

by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

not true

if positioned properly a MIF can move to chest up to a bad throw from the catcher

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by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but to do that you basically have to make a very quick decision that you are not going to try to make the tag. I agree with you but both those balls could have been caught easily without and repostioning.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I need to go back and look at the play.

When I first saw it, it looked like Theriot was too far to the 3B side of the bag to apply the tag. This, IMO, was what made the failure to get in front of the ball so egregious.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was bad...

…Gotta throw whatever you can in front of that ball.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So i just watched the series of events that lead to the last run yesterday.

Pujols got lazy, I place more of the blame on him than Motte. Colby’s throw wasn’t the best, but that man was going to score.

Not a good throw by Laird, but WHAT THE HELL? Theriot actually looked afraid of the situation. I could almost hear him yelp “EEEEEEEEKKKKK!” as he contorted his body to most aptly miss making the play. There is alot of blame to go around for losing that game. It was a real team effort. It took all of them working together to blow that one.

I’m glad I didn’t see that live, I may have thrown something through the television.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure who to blame on that one.

Did Motte have to slow down and wait for the throw? It was in his glove before he hit the bag.

by swmofan on Jul 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is possible that Pujols lobbed that throw because Motte was slow to the bag

that one is just a bad play all around.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Motte was there, to my eye.

he was nearly at a stop when the ball got to him. but he had to look up to catch the ball, then look down to see where his foot was, and that was the safe call. Albert made it too fine. Motte’s hustled for all his fielding historically, his usual problem is when his catcher’s reflexes take over.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh.

1-5 with horrible defense on multiple plays, I put it on Theriot.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

look at the rest of the game

I believe there was a Theriot error earlier in the game that lead to a run… if the play had been properly made earlier in the game, we probably would have won the game in 9, instead of losing it in 10. True that this was a team loss, but Theriot still gets 75% of the blame IMO,

by stxcardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never liked getting in front of the ball on plays like that

That shit hurts! But if I’m getting millions of dollars to do it, you bet your sweet ass I’m blocking that ball at all costs.

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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

With all the comparing

of Jay and Rasmus that has been going on lately. I did see something yesterday that Rasmus can do that Jay can’t and that is to launch a “nodoubter” upper level shot right off the bat.

by ridgesee on Jul 25, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn't Jay

hit one about 450 feet earlier in the year?

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by Eckstreem on Jul 25, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Link

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bastard

Beat me to it. His longest on the year was 422 true distance on 06/23/11, for the lazy.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Though, to be fair, Colby's longest on the year is 428, which was somehow a just-enough homer at AT&T Park.)

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but in general his home runs travel further

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No argument from me on that

I have not forgotten this one. 480 feet, true distance.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

his "crushed" one yesterday was only 423

distances are deceiving to me

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Jul 25, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh hell yeah

Rasmus has tons more pop (ISO) than Jay. but they are a lot different style of hitter

FIRE TONY RASMUS

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, on Rasmus

I am beginning to think that he is just a natural dead pull hitter and has he been messed with too much with advice to “start spraying the ball around more” that has gotten him into a deep funk.

by ridgesee on Jul 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

with the number of outs he has been getting lately down the line.

I don’t think that’s the case.

Anyone have a spray chart?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

TexasLeaguers.com would have it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

here's a link

TL doesn’t like hot linking (and we know what happens when we hot link a stranger in the Alps).

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was writing a fanshot

(this one, about a guy from Peoria trying to find the resting places of Negro League players)

and discovered through auto-complete that there is a tag named “the worst shortstop in baseball history”

tempted to track that down.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Betancourt?

That’s my guess.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

alas! there's nothing in the tag.

someone must have used it then deleted the post. or sbn ate it.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clubhouse or field presence?

I was in favor of trading Ryan, because I thought he was having a bad influence on the team off the field. I still don’t regret him leaving. That is a separate incident. However, Theriot is having a very bad influence on the team attitude on the field!! I can’t imagine a pitcher or catcher wanting to put up with his depressing defense. It would get me down mentally if he made some of those plays and I was playing anywhere on the field. It is time to DFA him and take Descalso or Greene as an improvement to moral.

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Jul 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Jay, Rasmus et al

With respect to Rasmus and Jay, there’s one thing I’m confident is true. Baring injury, Colby Rasmus will have a far, far better career than Jon Jay. Not even comparable. Different orders of magnitude. Whether or not either of these players plays long in St. Louis, I don’t know, but Colby is by far the better player. This is not to diss Jay, who has been at the top of his game this year, and has been a big part of the Cardinals ability to stick with the pack in the Division. I take my hat off to him. But he is what he is – not much of an arm, not terrific speed and very little power. And I suspect we’ve seen the best of him. Not so Rasmus – by a long shot.
 You can run the numbers till you’re blue in the face, but in the end you have to look at the game. There is nothing more objective than the final score of any game. Four to three is as objective as it gets. But how you get to the four to three is what makes baseball the greatest game on the planet.
 Look at Rasmus, then look at Jay. Run the numbers, sure, but just watch them play over time. Now think: Jay is my centerfielder for the next five years. Then think: Rasmus is my centerfielder for the next five years. Which of those makes sense?

by deweydell on Jul 25, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think anyone is denying Rasmus has more talent than jay

But as I’ve said many times, it’s not just a jay vs Rasmus argument (though a lot of people are trying to make it that for some reason). For it to be a jay vs Rasmus argument we’d have to be advocating outright dumping Rasmus just so jay can play every day, no one is doing that. You have to factor in who we would get in return for Rasmus. If you get a young cost controlled pitcher like one of the many from tampa, then it becomes jay/young pitcher vs Rasmus. Now Rasmus could certainly have more value than the jay/young pitcher combo but I think the jay/young pitcher combo helps the cards much mOre than just Rasmus.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ok

I see your point, and it’s well taken. But whether or not Jay/young pitcher is better than Rasmus depends a lot on who that young pitcher is. And it has sort of boiled down to a Jay – Rasmus thing. If Jay were not a Cardinal, this thing would not have the energy it appears to have. Again, I don’t want to diss Jay, I think he’s a decent player, but I don’t believe he is a starting centerfielder for a championship team over time, and Rasmus may be. And I think the rest of baseball sees this as well. Think of this: how many stories have you seen talking about another organizations interest in Jay? There is plenty of interest in Colby. The why of that is what I’m getting at here.

by deweydell on Jul 25, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saying jay isnt a starter for a championship team doesn't really mean much to me

If your rotation is Garcia-carp-lohse-Westbrook-kmac and Rasmus is your cf and you have the worst middle infield in baseball then Rasmus isn’t a starter for a championship team either.

On the flip side, say we trade Rasmus for a pitcher like Jordan zimmermann, hellickson, Brandon beachy. Then you have a rotation of Garcia-carp-young sp-lohse-westy, kmac bolsters the pen, descalso continues to play short and jay plays center. Jay probably is the starter for a championship team.

If you want to compare jay to Rasmus, fine, but you can’t really factor in team performance because there’s so much of that which is out of their hands.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That young SP is already a cardinal- Shelby Miller.

We need MIF help.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats pretty insulting to jay

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

jay seems to be a much better fielder for one. and for two jay’s ISO is consistently considerably higher.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In Skip's first full year of play

He had 594 PA, a 107 wRC+, a .104 ISO and a .328 BABIP. In Jay’s 603 plate appearances he’s had a 118 wRC+, a .126 ISO and a .352 BABIP. And Skip played the outfield that year, and was roughly an average defender.

Jay is a better defender than Skip, and probably a slightly better hitter, but they were similar players.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

.020 points?

Not really. That’s an extra homerun or two a year.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 26, 2011 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, but he hasn't shown a lot more power

11 home runs in a full seasons worth of plate appearances. Only 29 doubles.

Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skip Schumaker is a poor man's Jon Jay.

Slower, less power, worse plate discipline, worse against lefties, worse defense.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah.

this is a bad thing.

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...early in their careers

Would you say JD Drew or Cliff Floyd would have a better career? I’d have said Drew in a heartbeat. Floyd is in JD Drew’s top 10 comps on B-R. Drew has a shit-ton more talent than Floyd ever could dream of, but Drew just didn’t get it done at the level he was “supposed to.”

by stlfan on Jul 26, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

In case anyone is looking...

I have a ton of tickets in section 253 (reg $49) for $20 bucks if anyone is interested… (ptkohm@att.net)

On a related note – Brendan Ryan had a heck of a game yesterday… that barehanded play brought a tear to my eye…

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by pattimagee on Jul 25, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

On another related note... I didn't put the date

Thursday 7:15PM

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by pattimagee on Jul 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

why is colby's face on the sidebar

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

to take yet another lick at this dead horse

I’ve realized what ticks me off most about Joe Strauss’s reporting: he never questions the motivations of his sources.

There’s a bunch of ways to write about sports. You can analyze the stats, do the emotional resonance thing, get inside info and rumors, etc. Strauss does a lot of the rumor-hunting; fine. But he never seems to ask himself, “what is this person’s motivation in telling me this?”

You can do good reporting by building access and getting information leaked to you. People leak information for all sorts of reasons, and a good reporter has to stop and ask him/herself why they’re doing so. Are they jockeying for position in an internal organizational squabble? Floating a rumor to gauge public response? Trying to stir up interest in the team by inciting fan debate? A reporter should at least have a theory as to what’s going on, and incorporate it in how they use the information.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, no

the dead horse is Brendan Ryan-related things.

the need for unicorns, on the other hand, does not abate as long as js is around.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like his writing, but I can let some of this type of thing slide

Guys like this have to work their ass off just to keep their job. They have to keep up with every wackjob out there who has a twitter or blog account. They’re being paid crap to work longer hours to keep up with the guy who comes home from work, grabs a sandwich, and starts throwing up Rasmus trade ideas on whatever internet outlet he has.

And then, after basement-sandwich guy posts his trade ideas, he grabs the morning paper and starts ripping on whatever was written, since it’s now 12 hours old.

Look at Goold. he produces a LOT of fact checked content. I can’t imagine how many hours that guy is working.

It’s not worth it, IMO, but these guys want to be sports writers.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goold is the man.

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there any reason for me to click that link?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is if you want to see the awesome paradox

of Mr. Gordon using the word “logic” in a title to a piece.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's it about?

Why yesterday is Colby’s fault for hitting lazy homers instead of screaming and ripping his clothes off while throwing to the plate?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I dunno

I didn’t read it.

The title was “How Outfield Depth Makes Rasmus Trade Logical”.

Then: By Jeff Gordon

Nothing Jeff Gordon has ever said is “logical”, so why the hell would I read that?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a telling sign that no one sees Jay

as a trade option to get us a SP or MIF. I think we should try to sell high, but I don’t see Jay having many takers.

by gocards62 on Jul 25, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno about that

Teams seem to be interested in BJ Upton, and I can’t see why Jon Jay isn’t at least his equal at this point in their careers.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

come on

BJ Upton has more speed, better defense, and a lot more power. Upton has close to the value of Rasmus. Jay has a lot less.

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jay could probably get Kuroda or another decent rental SP for us.

The problem is that Jared Gritmaker would become our backup CF in that case.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

schit

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they'd add Chambers to the roster...

A smart organization would be shopping Jay to everyone in need of a CFer.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jay for Hardy!

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then Theriot for Scully!

2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should just get VINCE

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

though by the way

all the people commenting about the size of Chris Duncan’s head?

he wasn’t orange, was he?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

we will throw in Strauss

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by spfldbird on Jul 25, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can live with this.

2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

NNNNNNOOOOOOO

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be fine trading Jay, and now is the time to trade him (again)

It’d be a good sell-high move, I think.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yerp

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

he should have hit the homer with runners on base

instead of when there weren’t any runners.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

or he should have just hit a single.

then the batter behind him could hit a homerun. Then we have a 4-2 lead AND the batter behind him helps his RBI count.

Colby = lazy & selfish!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

How stupid.
The Skip Schumaker Factor looms in this equation. He hit .299 last month and .346 this month. He is hitting .281 overall this season and he is a .290 career hitter. If Rasmus exits, Schumaker would offer center field protection for Jon Jay.

2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
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by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bit of course.

A little summary for those who are smart:

Trading Colby makes sense since we have Jon Jay to start and (seriously you’re going to laugh if you weren’t crying) Skip Schumaker and Allen Craig as backups (I really I wish I was kidding)

Also we should trade him because he isn’t the most mentally tough player. Looking forward, Gordon doesn’t think Rasmus is going to be like Garcia – a player we want to lock up.

Also he suggest getting a LOOGY and a rental for him.

….

….

Gordon, you are a moron.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goold just called me savvy on facebook

I win the internets today.

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by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

but that's a pirates reference oh nooooo

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!

I just “liked” what you said. Good stuff.

He gave me (I think it was for me) a “zing” the other day when he wondered why no one had capitalized on the “Team Jay” vs. “Team Colby” t-shirt idea. I suggested that someone sell “Team Journalism” and “Team Gossip” t-shirts outside the P-D.

by goodymobb on Jul 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goold needs to give out badges

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I dig your comment as well.

Good show!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

bad thing is I wasn't finished

 I just tried to divide it up into paragraphs and because facebook is awful it now posts any time you hit enter.

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by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

use what?

don’t leave me hanging! Isn’t it shift + enter? I forget.

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by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

witchcraft

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like in a Pirates of the Caribbean kind of way?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

arrrgh

yes

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by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write-up

and very timely, given Theriot’s performance (or lack thereof) during recent and not-so-recent memory.

I think the benefit of the doubt re: Theriot is what drives me nuts. Sit Colby because he’s struggling and another guy who’s playing well can step in. Fine. And that’s what TLR advocates in this piece.

“Performance dictates playing time.” Okay Tony. Fine. So if we look at just performance (and not grit, intangibles, ability to grind or give 110% or whatever), what has Theriot done to dictate he receive any significant playing time, particularly as that starting SS of a club in a pennant race?

by goodymobb on Jul 25, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

tony's benched theriot on a few occasions

And honestly with his usual shitty defense combined with his new offensive slump, it seems like descalso going to get more time at shortstop . Or I’m probably being too optimistic.

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by hr on Jul 25, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

...................why didn't they doubt his ability after watching him play for the cubs all those years?

look…………what he’s…………done to me………..

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

There has been a trend this year of the VEB hive mind slowly working it’s way into Tony and Mo’s mind. I’m hoping this will be the latest example.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

the hive mind is not infiltrating quickly enough!!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Damn nanobots must have malfunctioned.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the very least against righties

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you

and hittmeier below you are correct in this. Surely he can see it, right?

by goodymobb on Jul 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

have you noticed that in the last few days

A guy who has never played professional short stop has started at the short stop position for us several times?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Post ASB

Theriot = 5 starts
Descalso = 4 starts

Know hope?

by TBender on Jul 25, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have.

I also noticed that one of the starts was b/c of Theriot’s suspension.

TBender has the post ASB starts below: 5-4 in favor of Theriot.

Consider the suspension game (he CAN’T start that one) and you’re looking at some type of near-equal timeshare that still seems to favor Theriot.

I don’t know what, if anything, this distribution of starts will predict going forward, but I don’t think we can conclude that Tony is through trotting Theriot out there on a regular basis.

by goodymobb on Jul 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's doubtfull that DD will start against a lefty no matter what

And until Punto has his arm reattached It’s doubtful will see him at short. So at this point, yeah it looks like Theriot will be going out there with at least some regularity.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we see a DD/Erriot platoon

at least DD will be getting the heavy part of it. While not ideal, I think I could live with that the rest of the year.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot should be starting against lefties.

Even after this horrible month, he’s still getting on base at a mark of .370 against lefties this year, which is in line with his career numbers.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and DD, sadly

is getting totally dismantled by lefties. Unless that changes at some future time, he’s always going to need a platoon partner.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

So there we have it

our best answer, for now, is to platoon Descalso and Theriot at SS (barring acquisition of a “real” SS)

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss BOOG.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   4 recs

oh so now he shows up

ridin’ the dead horse

(yeah, i do too. sooner or later i will have to see highlights of that latest game.)

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I'm a busy guy.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Road Starts Here. It Never Ends.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't, you'll just cry.

It was sorta like dirty d’s the other day, only barehanded..

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I feel obligated

I actually did update the mix tape.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

er, sampler, not mix tape.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today's "wtf" word of the day:

“Ladder”

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

MIND BLOWN.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

over/under on whether Theriot starts tonight?

and by extension, how many of the four games with Houston does he start?
MY hunch, two (which is two too many). Will also be interesting to see if one of DD’s starts is when Westbrook pitches? I vote yes.

by thetewk on Jul 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Someone finally loaded an avatar

[/only robots notice]

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.

by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wandy is slated to start the final game of the series, too.

So, it seems a safe bet that Theriot will start these two games at a minimum.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cromit

2011 fWAR watch: Theriot = -0.1, Boog = 2.0 as of Jul 24
Bilingual Twitter

by Paulspike on Jul 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you over/under a boolean guess?

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP

by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Regarding the puzzling stubbornness of Theriot on the roster:

We impute unlikely virtues to the cute.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 25, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

He kind of looks like a chubby Orlando Bloom.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not a haiku

but I like it.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Ogden Nash.

And one of my favorite all-time sayings.

Repeal The LaRussa Tax.

by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 25, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's always tempting!

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby Rasmus

Looks like he’s holding his arms a bit higher and the bat more parallel to the ground

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Leg kick... looks to be the same position in both. So is the stance change just cosmetic?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

he tends to rock the bat vertically

as a timing device as he awaits the pitch…maybe frame 2 caught him at a particularly low point?

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by all4tookie on Jul 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can see it

in this video

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by all4tookie on Jul 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The leg kick

on 7/24 appears higher and he looks more compact. further travel requires more time. late on pitches?

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Jul 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, the frame capture isn't perfect. I might have just captured it one millisecond later than the first one

But no, he did not look particularly late on pitches yesterday

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's with that kick?

I dont remember it being so dramatic before this year, I know he was never keeping his front foot down but this seems a little like overkill to me.

by lopey986 on Jul 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

thanks tpg

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

mysterui sucks as the pain guy

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by CodyG on Jul 25, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't worry colby

the hivemind of VEB is coming to save you

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bat position doesn't matter as long at the swing and impact position is the same.

I’ve slowed down some video of him on my DVR and his hand position and impact position look the same.

The big difference the last month is that his stance is more open and his leg kick now has him “diving” in towards home plate, from what my mediocre-trained eye can see. FWIW, this is the “Charlie Lau” method of hitting, and something practiced by hitters like Wade Boggs, etc. as a way to get to the ball down and away while taking the inside corner away from pitchers by striding into the ball in the inner half.

Two reasons why he would do this:

  1. He’s having trouble getting to the ball down and away. Everyone who’s watched him knows that most of his swings and misses come on balls away, specifically down and away. So he makes this adjustment. Problem? He’s now going to struggle more on balls up and in unless he can lay off or he lets them hit him.
  2. He’s trying to spray line drives to left field. If this is what he’s doing, we certainly haven’t seen it, and on top of that it’s a stupid adjustment to make. He would be better off trying to stay back and squaring the ball up to the left-center gap (like Chase Utley does) rather than spraying balls that direction. It inhibits his ability to get his arms extended on the ball middle-in, which are pitches he generally crushes. FWIW — why not embrace the Big Mac/Big Hurt strategy of standing on top of the plate and daring anyone to come inside on you, while laying off the stuff you can’t hit on the outside and crushing anything thigh high to right center?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

re: theriot's spray chart

is there any way to tell what’s a GB hit and what’s a FB/LD hit?

i assume that a lot of the shallow OF hits are groundball bleeders that make it through the infield. still, i wonder if theriot is benefiting from teams assuming he’s not as punchless as he is and benefitting from bloopers on the shallow OF grass. should teams be playing him even shallower?

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish we had photos from the front row of the upper deck to see where the OF shades for our hitters.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be great to have

Eventually, I could see where we would have a chart of where teams position themselves defensively against any particular hitter.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm...

How much do hot air balloons cost?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

Not all that difficult to get.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like UZR against one particular hitter?

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If teams played him any shallower than they are

it would look like 8 year old softball…

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

anybody want to try to fight thru the latest drivel

from joe strauss?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 25, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

No. Please paraphrase.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Offer Kenny Williams a 3rd base prospect

He’ll drop a load in his pants he’ll be so excited. Just don’t say “hey remember how Beckham did well before you shoved 2nd base down his throat?”, or at least not out loud.

Then again, at that point offer him Skip.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh. I missed that it was from yesterday.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 25, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only made it a couple of paragraphs.

My masochism only goes so far.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 25, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like being able to see Cubs/Cards games

(I live in CHicagoland) but I hate when Fox grabs the Saturday game and ESPN grabs the Sunday game. I means I can’t listen to Brenly point out all the Cubs screwups.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate when Fox has the Card game.

They always black it out and then show a different game (at least in Montana).

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Josh Willingham has been traded to the Braves for prospects

DEVELOPING

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

This is all I have to go on so far

Link

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

And now the page is deleted

Welp

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's quiet in here...

I think everyone is just scared to death they are Gonna hear a Rasmus to White Sox trade.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Developing reports indicate...

Ken Williams could sweeten the pot by adding one of Dallas McPherson, Brian Bruney, or Mark Teahen.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna go ahea and assume this is a joke

What players do the white sox have that we would want?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

For Rasmus?

Sale.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

not straight up, right

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

I doubt they would do it since it doesn’t make them better this year, but the two players’ value is probably similar.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that was Rasmus has been reduced to?

He’s worth no more than a good relief pitcher?

Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.

by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what I was thinking

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know much about Sale...

but according to FG he’s got some kind of a change to go with the FB/SL. Doesn’t that mean he could be made into a starter?

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was drafted as a starter, yes

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think a highly regarded pitching prospect with five year to go until FA...

is of similar value to a diminshed Rasmus. I sure would take Sale over Jackson/Thornton.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

In terms of pure, incontextual(is that a word?), WAR, yeah, maybe

But this team needs to win NOW, and we need major league talent if we’re trading Rasmus. Sale is going to need a year to transition back to starting. Jackson isn’t

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could be our Venters for 2011...

and start in 2012. He’s only thrown about 40 innings. This isn’t a huge upgrade for 2011, but it’s not nothing.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

given that the one thing our system is bubbling forth is starting pitching talent that is

one or two years away, why would we want a prospect for starting purposes who will need a year to prepare?

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shelby's the only one that's a year or two away

And it’d be nice to get a high quality lefty in the system

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't agree at all, especially with the "or two" in there. look who's starting in springfield

right now.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bro they don't play until 7:00 tonight

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

33 Michael Blazek P R R 6’ 0" 180 03-16-1989 Active No
39 Daniel Calhoun P L L 6’ 3" 220 09-05-1986 Active No
  Ramon Delgado P R R 6’ 3" 195 09-03-1986 7-day DL No
12 Samuel Freeman P R L 5’ 11" 170 06-24-1987 Active No
16 John Gast P L L 6’ 1" 195 02-16-1989 Active No
  Scott Gorgen P R R 5’ 10" 190 01-27-1987 7-day DL No
32 Nick Greenwood P R L 6’ 1" 180 09-28-1987 Active No
19 Deryk Hooker P R R 6’ 4" 185 06-21-1989 7-day DL No
22 Joe Kelly P R R 6’ 1" 165 06-09-1988 Active No
44 David Kopp P R R 6’ 3" 205 10-22-1985 Active No
  Scott McGregor P R R 6’ 2" 193 12-19-1986 7-day DL No
26 Shelby Miller P R R 6’ 3" 195 10-10-1990 Active No
  Casey Mulligan P R R 6’ 2" 190 10-05-1987 7-day DL No
36 Jose Rada P R R 6’ 1" 180 04-13-1988 7-day DL No
11 Chase Reid P L R 6’ 3" 212 05-17-1988 7-day DL No
40 Jorge Rondon P R R 6’ 1" 175 09-16-1988 Active No
19 Francisco Samuel P R R 6’ 2" 185 12-20-1986 Active Yes
27 Eduardo Sanchez P R R 5’ 11" 170 02-16-1989 Rehab Yes
29 Scott Schneider P R R 6’ 0" 175 06-07-1988 Active No
35 Kevin Thomas P R R 6’ 3" 215 07-08-1986 Active No

I see nothing particularly exciting there outside of Shelby

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

joe kelly, for one. gast, for another. either could be ready in 2013.

they’re only one level away.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither of those is one the same level as Sale

And seriously, if we have another high quality pitching prospect, so what? That’s clearly not a negative thing

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

but is it enough of a positive thing - and is sale in particular enough

of a positive thing – that we should trade colby for him?

the question was not: “more pitching prospects: good or bad?” the question was whether trading for someone like sale was a good idea. it seems to me that the gap it would open in our CF depth particularly and OF depth generally would be worth the gap it would fill in our starting pitching depth.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

*would not be.

sorry, important word left out.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

SAMUEL!!!

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ending up with a surplus of starting pitching talent

would hardly be a bad thing; it’s the trade market’s most fungible commodity. If we did get so lucky as to end up with a surplus, we could remedy that quite quickly.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bubbling forth?

You mean M&M? For 2013 we have two starters under contract – AW and Garcia. Probably Miller will be ready, Lynn will be in the mix, Martinez will probably not be ready. In 2014 we have Garcia, Miller, Lynn, and Martinez.

Even under a best case scenario there will be vacancies.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waino

Is not a give yet. His options would have to be picked up.

by paposse on Jul 25, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

they'll be picked up.

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fyi, the ChiSox didn't put him in relief

because they didn’t think he was ready to start. They put him there because they thought they had 14 guys capable of starting.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ChiSox plan for him

was to relieve this year and start next year.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

man think about this

Jake Peavey: $16m
Alex Rios: $12m
Adam Dunn: $12m
Juan Pierre: $8.5m
Mark Teahen: $4.75m and more next year

It’s too bad he’s killed their farm system. He could actually use Jay or any 3rd baseman.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pierre is paid for by the Dodgers at least.

But the rest of those suck, I feel bad for Peavy though.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 25, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

brian bruney is not what we need.

edwin jackson is OK, he’s had a no-hitter against a struggling rays team and thats about the brightest spot. we need at least him and 2 of those guys to even listen to that idea, contracts wise.

by miamigirl54 on Jul 25, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're quiet in here

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...umm...Jaccoby Ellsbury ha sbeen a 5.0 WAR player so far this year

Colby for Jacoby?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Jacolby Rasbury

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That player is much better than Brendan Ryan Theriot

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suddenly feel like having a tart

or a compote

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jacolby Rhubarb...ury

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like a sandwich

I’ll have the Jaccoby Rasmus..hold the onion

The best way to pitch Pujols is when he broke his wrist-Steve Blass(pirates announcer)

by punchinjudy on Jul 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would the Red Sox do that at this point

Ellsbury has 16 homers, 28 steals, and plays plus defense.

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP

by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

'twas a joke

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/22/11)
90 1/3 IP, 102 K, 39 BB/HBP, 33 ER, 5 HR, 2.96 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

OT Higgs boson on its way by end of 2012

link
fire up your apocalypse clauses

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Adron Chambers' nickname still in flux.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aeon flux?

I want more... More baaaacon!

Jim Gaffigan

by blueinmemphis on Jul 25, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Higgs Broson?

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Large Adron Collider, of course.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

God Particle?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was an earlier title of that comment

I nixed it after checking my dropping witticism meters.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we were just proposing new nicknames to mark the occasion

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, well there's the old one for general consumption.

carry on.

until the end of the world.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just now saw boog's barehanded play

i want to cry

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

You're crying a lot today

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

As neat as the barehanded play was

I thought the double play he made going up the middle was even better.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Grand Slam wasn't bad either...

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Jul 25, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm hungover

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's my girl

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

a bottle and a half of wine last night

what is wrong with me

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely nothing

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take the Bar tomorrow & wednesday

then start my new job on thursday… I will be very much hungover for my first day!

Thank you for the inspiration/ratification of my behavior.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stopped calling them hangovers and started calling them mornings

a while back.

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by rocKStark5 on Jul 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think i have ever been this hungover at work

it is just miserable.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is correct.

Get to work. Get a cup of coffee. Get a cup of water. Browse VEB for 4 hours. Get lunch. Be semi-productive after that

That’s how hungover Rui does it

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have done all of those things so far!

but not lunch. can’t eat yet.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of us get paid for what we do,

so this isn’t a viable option.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

good luck on the bar exam!

WTF are you doing on VEB? you should probably definitely be studying.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much appreciated.

I am studying! But, the brain, wits & nerves are pretty much frayed. My attention-span comes and goes.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i watched baseball every day up until the day of the bar exam

even when people told me i needed to be studying. my roommate was up at 6 and studying until like 8 or 9 every night.

i got up at 9. the cardinals games start at 5pm here. so i would usually not study any more after that. i still passed, by a giant margin (which means i still studied too much!). you will too.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you FEEL prepared?

because I do not. But, many friends who have taken it before expressed similar feelings. The incredibly large amount of information leads me to believe that I could never actually feel fully prepared.

I have done plenty of studying, I am confident in my abilities. But there is still the inevitable doubts that linger.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh...i didn't feel prepared on some of the essay topics

what is the format? for us, we had 12 essays on one day and the MBE the next day. the MBE was 33% of the total score, the essays were 67%. i felt much more prepared for the MBE.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missouri has the Uniform Bar Exam

Day 1 – 2 MPT (20%) & 6 Essays (30%)
Day 2 – MBE (50%)

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

lucky. MBE is cake.

you will think that you missed 75% of the questions, but you probably will get 85% correct.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stick to the timetable on the MPT and essays

and you will be fine.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes i forget you're a lawyer, too

bgh you are my inspiration. how the eff do you have time to be lawyerly and write front page posts?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

By not drinking so much

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i quit drinking for two weeks in june

i still didn’t have time to write for pleasure

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn't easy,

but writing on Mondays is a big, big reason as to why it works. Basically, this is my hobby. I spend a good chunk of my Saturday and Sunday mornings (and sometimes my Sunday night) working on the posts.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

who has time for a hobby?!

what kind of lawyer are you again? do you represent like HOAs? those people work normal 9-5s.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps he is in corporate law?

I was under the impression they worked 9-5ish hours.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jul 25, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah a lot of them do

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That really depends on the company

I’m working with a lot of in house counsel at banks and they are getting killed. Working 12 plus hour days and weekends at times. Not a good time to work for a financial institution.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 25, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corporate law like M&A, financing, etc.?

No way. You must be talking about some other type of “corporate law.”

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

the corporate group in my firm keeps pretty regular hours

probably like 9-6, and rarely work weekends. unless there’s a huge closing, but that is also rare.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This has somewhat been true over the last few years

Because the M&A market has been completely dead since the economy went in the crapper. Pre-2008 our guys worked crazy hours. When they had a deal going they would routinely work 18-20 hour days.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind there are 100

kinds of corporate law.

I’m in I.T. outsourcing for instance, and we employ bunches of lawyers because everything we do is based on contracts. They work regular hours unless there’s some massive bid or negotiation going on.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you in KC?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Columbia.

Bar exam is in Jeff City.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another Columbian? Sweet!

Good luck.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey cool, where at?

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the south side

near rock bridge hs.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I swam against them several times.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

the bar exam, that is

maybe i’ll be close enough i can buy you a beer afterwards..

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Jeff City.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have only one piece of advice

for dinner tonight, eat something innocuous that you personally prepared. you do not want to have food poisoning during the bar exam.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

...did this happen to you?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to me, but to someone i know

 i was way ahead of that. i am the kind of person who thinks about things like that. i brought pepto bismol with me into the bar exam.

(no pun intended)

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i also knew people who took some kind of medicine that they give truck drivers so they wouldn't have to go to the bathroom for 8 hours

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that the kind of medicine they prescribe at a doctor's office

or the kind of “medicine” they sell you out behind a truck stop? ‘Cause that doesn’t sound super-healthy.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sell it at the "massage parlors" next to the truck stop

ancient chinese secret, indeed..

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Video or it didn't happen.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

weep

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOLY MOLY!

and he looks like Jason LaRue with that ’stache. Like some sort of unmasked luchalibre!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah, we didn't mention it earlier.

he’s been workin’ the handlebars for a while.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I mean the sobbing.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Am I the only one on the "Sell high on Freese" bandwagon?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

i want no part of that ride.

count me on the sell anytime on zack cox bandwagon

by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freese is hitting .313/.360/.429 with a .376 BABIP

That is very, very dangerous

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a lot of reasons why his power hasn't translated

I think he has slow hands and has trouble with inside pitches. Hard to hit the oppo home runs he did in the minors when pitchers are jamming him inside

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the narrative was the opposite of this.

That he wasn’t being pitched inside like he had been in the minors.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh I was mostly making shit up

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Anyone who thinks Jay’s performance is unsustainable (me) should look at Freese like a Hummer that runs on a mixture of gasoline and newspaper profit margins.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

David Freese's babip by year:

2009: 375
2010: 376
2011: 376

His babip in 1600 minor league games was 350ish, so he may not be in for a huge fall.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anybody in the history of modern baseball has had anywhere near that BABIP

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should read my sentence again

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah bro he'd probably spit on me or somethin'

Get Fritz to do it. He’s really white.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

...305?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time following columns...

point is, he’s due for a 30-50 point drop, not a 60-80 point drop, so his value won’t be completely demolished.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well we don't really know how much his BABIP will drop

At least .30-.50 to be sure

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll do it.

I’m like 100% from German ancestry. He probably loved folks from the Holy Roman Empire. Well, maybe not, i guess it will depend on his views of the Kaiser.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

this guys last three seasons

have been a few points blow that.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he a true talent .360 BABIP guy though?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Votto

yes.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

because?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure if you looked hard enough

You could find someone else who has put up three seasons with a higher BABIP than that during their prime.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah probably...

but not over an entire career and not a plodder like Votto. Holliday had a run, but that was in Coors…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course not over a whole career

doing it over a whole career is going to cover years with earlier years when he is still raw talent, years with injuries, and then declining years when batspeed and other skills start to degrade.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

His career IFFB% is 1.8%

That’s the second-lowest ever from what data FanGraphs has on that.

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP

by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

it’s pretty insane.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

sample size, no?

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if you think 2319 career PAs isn't a large enough sample

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's possible you could get a bit lucky on IFFB over that period of time

given that most guys only hit an IFFB in somewhere between 5-10% of balls in play, that’s a pretty small number over the course of 2319 PA. I could see that it could take an awful long time for that to stabilise.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was just saying it WAS a sample size

Duh, guys!

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

did not see this was Votto. thought you were talking about Freese. someone needs to learn to use the up button.. guess who?

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and by the way

David Freese
BABIP IFF%
.375 0
.375 1.9
.376 2.7

Joey Votto
.372 1.4
.361 0 (in 648 PAs!)
.362 1.1

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meaningless right now

The regression’ll take like 5 minutes to run

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

what stats package are you using that takes 5 minutes to run a regression?

damn son. get a new computer.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was including grabbing the data from Fangraphs

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm just jerking your.. never mind

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So David Freese doesn't hit the ball as hard as Joey Votto, has more IFFB's, and his BABIP is still higher?

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

sample size comes into play

I’m certianly not saying Freese is going to be a .375 BABIP guy going forward. But there is a reason to believe that he may be a high BABIP guy.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

You would expect his BABIP from the minors to regress toward the major league average. Instead he has gone up. It might be possible that Freese is a true-talent .330 BABIP hitter, but the likelihood that his true talent is above that is vanishingly small.

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

But .375 is so far about that it’s basically the type of thing you look at and just immediately decide it’s not possible for a guy whose BABIP in the minors was .350

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's make a bet:

I bet Freese’s BABIP for the rest of the season is under .350 ie. for the end of July months of August, September, and October.

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll take the other side

.350 or over going forward. zips has him at .360 the rest of the way, btw.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sig or picture for the playoffs. Your choice.

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit

i did not see this

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

a little comfort

using Freeses Batted Ball profile on fan graphs, freese has hit:

34 Line drives
55 Ground Balls
33 (out field) fly balls
3 Infield flies

And given these BABIP of those batted balls. (using google, biggest variable here is assuming that this is the correct BABIP on that type of batted ball)

BABIP on IFF .050
BABIP on outfield FLIES .160
BABIP on Line Drives .740
BABIP On ground balls .280

Freese hit’s should have normalized to this:

45 hits on BABIPs
11 BBs
38 singles
7 doubles
0 triples
4 Hrs

Which Brings his line DOWN from .313/.360/.429 TO .300/.368/.417

So give Freese’s batted ball profile, he is getting a bit lucky. But as long as he can continue doing what he is doing. (hit line drives to all over the field and not pop up) you can expect to see a drop off. But it isn’t a cliff.

Be nice if he gets a bit of that HR power back

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

by the IHeartBoog

the BABIP of those batted balls is inline with Zips .360 BABIP moving forward.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice.

thanks for this. iheartdavidfreese and i don’t want him to be traded.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

.341 going forward

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i said that.

and i misspoke. his updated ZIPS for the year is .360

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHICH MEANS I SHOULD NOT HAVE MADE THAT BET WITH HAZEL DAMNIT

i blame this hangover for my stupidity.

no one should make bets whilst hungover.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that ZIPS number sounded pretty insane.

Didn’t bother to check tho. Maybe you’ll get lucky?

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never do.

oh well.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ba-dum ching!

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

the legal advice might be subject to my review

i can’t be getting disbarred over my inability to do math!

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

something something something hammock something something

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by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is what i am expecting.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

you should go out with Matt Carpenter.

He’ll get you to first base. Not too handsy, either!

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by Alxfritz on Jul 25, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too handsy?

The guy doesn’t even wear a “batting glove”. I’m not sure I’d trust him.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh, that sounds painful

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who wouldn't want those rough, manly hands caressing their body?

I know I would

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they're actually warts

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

boom

DanUp shoutout.

where is DanUp, anyway? still recovering from the movie?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is this

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

ZiPS projections, which can be found on his Fangraphs page

Has him for a .341 BABIP the rest of the season for a .361 total for this season

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

by the way

I like this way of regressing out luck so much better than picking a BABIP and regressing down to.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

it makes more sense to me than saying everyone should be regressed to average

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 25, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, i like it too, and it's very illustrative

but it’s really not as valid predictively. you are making the large assumption that his batted ball profile is going to stay the same, based on a small sample.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are also making a huge assumption that every thing that is called a "linedrive" or a "groundball" by a stringer is born equal

it’s probably also quite possible that he’s been lucky to have a bunch of fliners or reasonably hard-hit GB called “linedrives”, perhaps due to random variation or just due to positive bias (i.e. they turned into hits so the stringers called then “Linedrives”). I bet if we slice 5-10 LDs off that list and turn them into GB and/or FB (entirely possible due to the huge variability of batted ball classifications) you end up with a much lower estimate.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops

left out a section.

After regressing he has these hits:

25 hits on line drives
15 hits on grounders
5 hits on fly balls
0 hits on Infield files

Also, a big red flag on this thing is, I don’t know if those HRs were classified as fly balls or line drives. They were omitted from his PAs/ABs when figuring out the percentage. Only difference is the number of fly balls vs line drives may be off by 1 in either direction.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we played a good bit of Craig at 2B

id be ok with Carpenter at 3b.

I like seeing all the line drives from Freese though.

by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's had very high BABIPs his whole career

in fact, his 09 BABIP (34 PA) was .375. his ’10 BABIP (270 PA) was .376. in 510 PA at memphis in 08, his BABIP was .350.

….

fwiw

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

BABIP doesn't stabilize until well after 500 PA

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

~1100

we had this convo with the Ludwick reverse split

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by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

about two seasons

what’s weird about that is bring is 25-28 right?

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by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i understand that.

simply pointing out that he has consistently had a high BABIP his whole career. it is not as though this season is an aberration. and i said fwiw!

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will make the same bet about his BABIP with you.

Care to bet profile pics or signatures?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i just replied above.

i’ll bet signatures

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Muahahaha.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

what exactly are the terms here

that his BABIP from July 25 – October 1 is less than .350 total?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that sounds about right.

And the winner can pick the loser’s sig for the playoffs which we will most certainly be in after we ditch Theriot and trade Jay for Tulowitzki and Jimenez.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, sigs for the playoffs

my only concern is, will we be able to get day by day BABIP data? would it be easier to start this on Aug 1?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's on baseball-ref

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok cool

i admit i prefer FG’s layout so i rarely hit up B-R

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

FG looks nicer

but BR has more data, I tend to use them both FG for WAR and value related things and BR for splits

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by StLHugo on Jul 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does B-R even have wOBA?

Also, I like UZR much much more. All the stats I need to find I find easier on Fangraphs as well.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

His power should come sometime

Good defender too. I don’t think he has much trade value either. A platoon with him and Matt Carp would be pretty tasty.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I really hope Matt Carp gets a chance next year. I’m a real convert to his fanclub this year.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm on that one too.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd look at trading Freese in the offseason, depending on how everything else pans out.

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by bgh on Jul 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Carpenter!

.289/.426/.444

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by azruavatar on Jul 25, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Carpenter's OBP is .003 below David Freese's SLG.

Matt Carpenter is good at getting on base.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

never EVER.

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by tom s. on Jul 26, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's Jack Cust

if Jack Cust could run and play an above average 3B.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

SSS

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by CodyG on Jul 26, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It might be part of some "charm"

but I want my 3rd baseman to be able to pound a ball once in a while. Carpenter only had a 3.3% swinging strike % and managed to strike out 4 times in 15 AB (19 PA).

by stlfan on Jul 26, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was

Carpenter’s 0% LD rate from a guy who’s 6-3/200 lbs that got me.

by stlfan on Jul 26, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean really souring a player after that?!!!!

Casual fans who pay zero attention to statistics are smart enough to realize that 19 fucking plate appearances is like nothing at all.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2011 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could get on it, but I'm not super enthusiatic about it

Seems like a waste to have both Freese and MCarp, but only Freese has real trade value. But if Freese ever starts to hit HRs like he did in the minors we would really regret this.

by TheBirds on Jul 25, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will literally sell anyone on the team if it brings MIF improvement in the short term and stability long term.

Our MIF has sucked so badly that it would have been a good idea to lock up Eckstein to a 5/25m contract in 2007.

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

You’re not. I am riding shotgun on that bandwagon actually.

I think Matt Carpenter might be the better player.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

We definitely have a log jam at 3rd.

What in terms of value do you think we could get for Freese?

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we could get a decent starter for him

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

A log jam?

No. Maybe an ice floe, in that it’s possible that a bunch of these guys melt away and we end up with one passable player there.

Still, I’d rather bet on Matt Carpenter’s 16% walk rate than Freese’s .370 BABIP any day.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

that ice floe is made of glass

ankles

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy Cox as a MLB player yet.

He’s hit with very little power and doesn’t walk much, which means his offensive value is going to be tied into hitting .300 and hitting lots of doubles.

I think Carpenter might be the best player of the three, considering I have no idea where David Freese’s power has gone. He was a 25+ homer guy in the minors, but he’s not shown any of that type of power in the big leagues. If I could get back a pitching prospect for him or couple him with Jon Jay and bring back a starting SS or big league starter, I’d do that in a heartbeat.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jul 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would generally agree with that.

It seems like everything both positive and negative with Cox is SSS though. As for the trade I would need a little more clarification on “starting SS” and “big league starter”.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

i want to sell him now. but the problem is, there’s nothing to plug in. this team is dangerously, dangerously thin in the infield. if Freese gets sold, there are a lot more starts for Theriot in the future.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Carpenter could start right now

it’s a “risk” for a team that won’t throw rookies in at the deep end very often without prior MLB experience, but really he’s every bit as likely (perhaps more so) to be a good player going forward than Freese.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 26, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

if you say “sell high on Freese,” sure. If you’re just saying “trade Freese”, then no.

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by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we sell high on Freese

given the ankles? I agree it might be time to get out on top production-wise, but a lot of GMs are going to balk at that injury history.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Ryan Theriot

Is there any chance we DFA him?

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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Well that also means we can decline arbitration and just let him go

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's going to get an arbitration bump, so I see almost no chance that the team brings him back

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Mo was thinking that rationally, Theriot would already be gone

I have to give Mo props for Berkman, but he definitely can be a f**k-up as well.

by TheBirds on Jul 25, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mo is nothing if not rational. He also has lots of constraints that he has to deal with.

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fucking Moses, man. When will he learn?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miles, Theriot, Suppan, Feliz, and this list goes on

these are not rationale decisions, although I guess Suppan is somewhat defensable

by TheBirds on Jul 25, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mo has been pretty hit/miss

I really HATE some of his moves, but there are some really good ones in there too. Personally, i am on the fence with Mo, with my “like” foot itching to go to the “hate” side. I guess he is just like any other GM though.

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by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s been a hell of a lot better at drafting the farm and keeping those pieces in play. The Matt holiday trade and contract also looks freaking awesome in retrospect, especially considering Jason bay.

by beer me on Jul 25, 2011 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think we put too much pressure on him as a prospect

it’s not like he’ll be a hall of fame GM overnight

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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is....oh god

I thought he was a rental.

My prediction is that he sucks so bad next year we call up Ryan Jackson. Who proceeds to play great D and win over many fans. Essentially putting us right back to where we were when we had boog.

by TheBirds on Jul 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

never a good idea to recycle used cubs

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by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs, as well

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

AML killed my grandfather 19 days after he was diagnosed.

Hopefully Dave is healthier and able to withstand a really rigorous course of chemo.

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible news

Here’s hoping for the best

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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes... That's bad news

Hopefully everything turns out well for him.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Martinez pitch today too?

It seems like they have been pitching on the same days of late.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does not pitch today

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

as much as i spend for mlb.tv

i feel like milb.tv should be included

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's an extra $10 at the time you renew your mlb.tv subscription

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

how much is it if you don't have an mlb subscription

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

So on the stupid scale, if the Cards selling low on Rasmus is a 1...

what is the Reds selling low on Volquez? I’ll say .6

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

He just walks too many dudes

It’s hard to be successful as a starter if you’re walking 5+ per nine. And they’re dealing from a position of relative strength

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must say

It gave me great joy to see Rasmus back-pedaling out of the batters box after ripping his homer yesterday.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

sad trombone

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Colby and Yadi don't like each other.

Look at the dugout when Yadi hit his last homer (see Colby?)

Now look at the dugout when Colby hit his homer (see Yadi?).

I think Yadi just might be a “mean girl.”

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously there is a rift between Yadi and Colby

And all signs point to team Yadi emerging triumphant after the inevitable trade of Rasmus.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't really imagine yadi and colby having anything at all in common

other than that they both play baseball for the cardinals

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh come on,

who do you think picked out his neck tattoos?

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait so that was for real?

i thought it was a joke. people really weren’t happy?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

They just seemed disinterested.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just ODD.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of wonder if it was just a starnge time and angle or something.

Because even if you don’t like the guy it shouldn’t matter if he’s hitting a home run to tie he game for your team. And if that really is the situation then something is seriously wrong with the leadership because that should not be allowed on a professional sports team.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've gotten the feeling, though, that maybe Colby himself doesn't like the big to-do in the dugout

he’s usually pretty cool when he comes back from a stroll.

what he does like, though, is the cheek-touch. Albert gave him one recently. if I were really spinning conspiracy, I’d say he’d prefer it if that was the celebration in the dugout. but then stl media would rip it up.

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by Yadi2Second on Jul 26, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what we call a bomb

Gotta love it. That kind of swing and result make me cringe at the thought that some idiots actually want the dude traded.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Count me as one of those idiots, then

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've lost track of the bandwagons in this post.

can y’all circle up and report in for a summation please

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup. No Berk, though.

Theriot, ss; Jay, rf; Pujols, 1b; Holliday, lf; Freese, 3b; Molina, c; Rasmus, cf; Punto, 2b; McClellan, rhp

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by Alxfritz on Jul 25, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have an idea...

Let’s give someone other than Theriot the most at bats on the team.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the actual lineup

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

happy to see punto

i wonder if he could play SS if we would be seeing him more there. i’d rather have skip’s bat in the lineup than theriot’s at this point. although, not against a lefty i guess.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot's defense can be embarrasingly bad at times

Yesterday was one of those times. As the SS in the last inning with the WINNING run baring down at second, the ball absolutely CANNOT get into centerfield. Throw a foot in front of it, throw the chest in front of it, take a bite of it, but don’t let it go into CF! It was the second time it happened that game and, coupled with the whiff on that dribbler, made me cringe as hard as I’ve ever cringed.

I’ve heard folks (my father is guilty of this big time and it drives me crazy, as are many “smart” baseball people) argue that sometimes a player isn’t spectacular that they “make all of the plays,” and are thus an acceptable player. I’ve also heard that said in reference to Theriot. I disagree with that sort of comment in the most vigorous terms possible. I’m going to go ahead and post a comment I made a few days ago:

I’ve long thought that the distinction between routine plays and harder plays is one that is overplayed, because any ball put in play can either lead to an out or a base-runner, regardless of how poorly-struck the BIP is. Defenders who are more likely to convert potential base-runners into outs are useful. Theriot has shown that he is less likely than other fielders to accomplish this task. Whether he makes "routine plays" is ultimately irrelevant. The team needs someone who can turn the 27-out clock in the favor of the Cardinals and not their opponent, and as long as Theriot is, well, Theriot, he isn’t helping that process from a defensive point of view. Recently he’s not been helping that clock-turning on offense either.

In other words, the Cards need to think long and hard about whether or not Theriot is really a guy who can be the shortstop of a division-winning team that can do damage in the playoffs. My leaning is no way in hellfire.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Regression is fun! {more regression of BABIP By Batted ball type to follow}

Using their batted ball profile I’ve regressed the following two players that no one is talking about:

Jay
From a .311/364.442 line to a .303/.336/.434

Rasmus
From a .244/.331/.413 line to a .253/.386/.425

Now, I think I may be done doing this. Because when I do, I come really really close to hitting the ZIPs projections. So um, that. Now showing my work:

Jon Jay
71 hits off of balls into play before regession
199 balls hit into play
44 line drives
108 ground balls
30 Outfield flies
17 Infield pop-ups

After regression
32 hits off of line drives
30 hits off of grounders
5 Hits off of outfield flies
1 hit of of infield flies. (it’s just a numbers thing)

Giving him 69 hits off of balls hit into play, in 280 PAs and 251 ABs he would have:
76 Hits
58 singles
10 Doubles
1 triple
7 home runs
18 BB

Colby Rasmus
71 hits off of balls into play before regession of off 248 Balls hit into play
46 Line drives
89 Ground balls
80 outfield flies
34 infield flies

After Regession:
34 hits off of line drives
25 hits off of ground balls
13 hits off of outfield flies
2 hits off of infield flies

Giving him 74 Hits off of balls hit into play, in 379 PAs and 332 ABs he would have:
84 Hits
53 signles
15 Doubles
6 triples
10 HRs
44 BBs

So Jay loses a few hits. I took away only singles. Rasmus picked up a few hits. Using the percentage of doubles/hits I ended up picking up a double as well.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That .386 OBP for Colby has to be a typo, yeah?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

bah

replay fail

lets see

(84 + 44) / 379 = .338.

No, I used his ABs to figure out OBP instead of PA. So, not a typo. This is why I showed my numbers instead of just the final result.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So his OBP should be .338?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

correct

regressing his BABIP to the line you would expect with is batted ball profile you get :

.253/.338/.425/.763

Differences between this year and last year:
Colby is currently hitting 1% less line drives
Colby is currently hitting 3.7% more ground balls. (not that bad)
Colby is currently hitting 2.7 less fly balls.

But the real bad thing is his IFFB% has gone from 5.2% to 13.7% (6.3 difference)
Also, his HR/FB% has gone down from 14.8% to 8.5% (6.2 difference); mainly a result of infield flies don’t actually end up as home runs.

Judging sololy from the numbers, it looks like his big issue is getting under the ball a lot more this year, plus a little bit of bad luck. When I get home I’ll regress his numbers against last year

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by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was 20 some % in June?

He’s been struggling badly, there is no way around it.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby's line from last regressed to his batted ball profile

.241/ .328 / .463 / .791

Apparently a lot of his line from last year was pretty lucky. Though with his power and his eye it’s helped out. Last year he hit 293 balls into play and had 105 hits off of those at a .358 rate. But with his batted ball profile, he should have only had a .304 BABIP, giving him 89 hits out of those hit into play.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

how are you getting HRs off just balls in play?

Aren’t HRs by default balls out of play?

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by StLHugo on Jul 25, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are balls out of play

They don’t count for the regression. They get added back in afterwards.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

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by StLHugo on Jul 25, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

too......

Go ahead, make a number.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

I’m removing the ‘luck’ factor out this. Since we already know that BABIP is a skill with a little bit of noise.

But i’m certainly interested in what you would regress a batted ball profile to, and the reasons why.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

LD rate is subjective, and so is GB, FB and IFFB rates

So like any number with large error bars, you regress towards league average to guess at what the “true” number is.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

so I assume that votto should hit infield pop ups like the rest of the league. Therefor, I should calculate his BABIP at league average.

Makes sense, there being only three true outcomes, walks, ks, and homeruns. Everything else is just luck.

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by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

lineup

Theriot SS, Jay RF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Freese 3B, Molina C, Rasmus CF, Punto 2B, McClellan P

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

THANKS ZOOM ZOOM

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by Alxfritz on Jul 25, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

yeesh.

i man, it is against a lefty. good god could we use allen craig back.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets see

(84 + 44) / 379 = .338.

No, I used his ABs to figure out OBP instead of PA. So, not a typo. This is why I showed my numbers instead of just the final result.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

aw what

they didn’t mow the arch back into the grass after they fixed the U2 mess?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

it'll be back next homestand.

stupid arch.

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by Alxfritz on Jul 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

so's your face.

really? the arch is the awesome.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not as awesome as

this:

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by Alxfritz on Jul 25, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, they finally installed the amaury cazana swinging doors?

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by tom s. on Jul 26, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know if this will work

link

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colby vs. Jay month-by-month

Colby – wOBA – BABIP – xBABIP (used Rays xBABIP calculator)
April - .383 --.364 --.289
May --.351 -—.319 --.310
June --.296 -—.227 --.269
July -—.215 -— .167 --.283

Jay – woBA – BABIP – xBABIP
April - .313 -- .240 -.221
May - .444 -— .459 -- .322
June -..295 -- .313 -.324
July -
—. .342 -- .333 —-332

Well Jay has a higher BABIP than xBABIP in three of the months and Colby has a higher one in two but it’s ridiculously lower in the other two. Like ridiculous in the Albert Pujols kind of way except in a negative light.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok see, there's something that interests me

I always look for patterns. Now why would Colby’s BABIP do a steady march downhill like that? That seems odd.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

randomness.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see a pattern

Rasmus will have a better August than Jay

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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really cant wait for the deadline to come and go

I just got this terrible feeling I’m going to have a couple of orphaned shirts and a cat now only named after cheese….

by beer me on Jul 25, 2011 5:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i don't understand the expiration date thing with old jerseys

do jerseys suck once someone retires? i mean… if they were a Cardinals player, that’s good enough for me.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 25, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing, I’m just being a negative Nancy.

by beer me on Jul 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

eh

if they retired is different if they were traded. its even more different if they were asking to be traded. would you wear a drew jersey? that’s why i only buy sherseys until they get locked in.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

MATT HOLLIDAY

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have his jersey

i also have pujols, but that was a gift. waino shersey. i think i want a garcia shersey now.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

wayyyy ahead of you on garcia.

picked that baby up for $15 from dick’s last christmas.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

so i go to dick's sporting goods online to see what sherseys they have

and this happens:

/bawling uncontrollably

but really, why is this still $23?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

THEY ARE STILL SELLING THESE IN THE STORE

FOR FULL PRICE.

i don’t understand…

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's winning converts

With each fumbled routine play. That’s my theory.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 25, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would buy this if it was $10 or lessq

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would too.

and then cry.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think i might buy this though

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought you did.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was similar, but it had pujols on the back

i was convinced not to buy it because he might leave after this season.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah. well then just get this one.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently all these places sell women's "plus size" now

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't know what that even means.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

they sell women's cardinals shirts in plus sizes

but they look exactly like men’s shirts. i.e. they aren’t fitted.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah. well that seems pointless.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Point"-less1!?!?!?!?

Heh, good one.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

since i live in Houston,

are the sherseys that much cheaper in STL?

So when Im there in August should I make room for a baker’s dozen in my suitcase?

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

no the one i got was a steal.

$25 in most retail outlets, $30 at the stadium.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't even find one online

i would have to do the custom thing which costs a lot more.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I make it easy on myself.

I only own nonspecific Cardinals jerseys or retired players. Out of 8 jerseys I have 3 Ozzies, 1 Musial, and 4 Cooperstown collection jerseys with no name. I think I want to add a Schoendienst jersey to the collection this year though.

I don’t own a single shersey. I think they’re pretty tacky looking. My wife still sports an Edmond shersey under her jersey when we go to games though.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder if I could talk her into that?

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta make an update to the inventory.

My parents absolutely freaking rock.

I now have 10 jerseys. My birthday is tomorrow and I asked for a new smoker. Instead I got a Mitchell & Ness 1946 Red Schoendienst Home Jersey and a 1982 Mitchell & Ness Ozzie Smith All-Star Jersey. They found them on closeout somewhere in Missouri for $150 each.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

i bought the Matt Holliday shersey off mlb.com for like 5 bucks, because it was the one with 15 on it instead of 7.. i figured what the hell, it’s 5 bucks. they sent me the one with 7. win!

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I asked for a jersey for my birthday.

He’s my hero.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely not

I still have an Eckstein shersey that I bough after 06 in the plastic.Been saving it for a playoff run.

I might have to break it open to ward of The Dark One known as Ryan Theriot.

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT:

Saw Captain America yesterday. It was solid, not being a huge Captain fan to begin with I enjoyed the movie.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Jason Giambi is 40 years old, and he’s hitting .263/.360/.632 with 10 HR for the Rockies this year. Dude still has legit power.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

werent 3 of those in 1 game?

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

And I’m too lazy to look it up.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're so colby

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of steroids (hehehh)

Anyone follow other baseball blogs enough to have seen someone do an eval on Jose Bautista – his swing, his BABIP, that type of thing? I had a long conversation about him yesterday with a Brewers fan at a party. He hadn’t seen the SI article by Posnanski, but his view is Jose has to be doing ‘roids. My view was "surely some blogger living in his mom’s basement would’ve dug up proof by now."

Btw, he’s adamant that the Cards will win the division.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't think Bautista is on roids

He’s just knocking the living shit out of every mistake he sees and he’s not missing many good pitches either. I know that sounds nuts since we’re basically up to two seasons of him doing it now (second half of 09 through now) but nothing looks crazy to me.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is as much proof

Of bautista being on roids as there is of Pujols being on roids. Casual fans see homeruns and claim roids.

get some runs

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jul 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I get that

and he gets that there’s no proof.

I’m just asking about info/evals on the guy.

by sdrone on Jul 25, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

beyond the boxscore had some interesting graphs

Of his hit patterns posted last year.

get some runs

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Jul 25, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

check whether his helmet size has changed dramatically in the last few years....

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess this was to be expected...

Per @BJRains – Sanchez admits he may not pitch again this year..“I don’t know. We’ll see.”….more from him, Waino and Berkman on the site soon.

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Rains tweet
Berkman out with what he’s calling a right rotator cuff strain. Happened on last swing Sunday in Pitt. Hopes to only miss day or two.

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Berkman on the swing:

“Clearly there was something funny cecause the ball went one way and the shortstop ran up the middle.”

by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He better not be out too long

but I wouldn’t mind if it were just long enough to kill any chance we trade Rasmus or Jay.

by bailorg on Jul 25, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I have to agree.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a really, really mild one.

They’ll sew his arm back on tomorrow.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is going to be so much fun...

he’ll hang out on the active roster for at least a week, pinch hitting a few times but never starting and never staying in the game to run the bases. then they’ll tell us he’s really hurt and needs to be DL’d but that can only make it retroactive to sunday. then we lose berkman for three weeks. this is going to be awesome.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize that Holliday and Pujols both came back from injuries dramatically earlier than they were expected this season?

Oh, I mean, CRADS TRAINERS R TEH SUX!1

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When he had an injury, and then got a worse injury of similar nature?

Yeah that was totally the medical staff’s fault.

Please go grind your axe on someone else’s stone.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Colby's career in St. Louis is saved...

once he hits that walkoff in game 7 to win the pennant, there will be no way to trade him.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for awesome.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't really look like he cared that much about his own walk-off hit.

I’ll bet he’s not very smart and is stressed out about the impossible situation of having a wife and child.

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by mattybobo on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

see ya next year

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by prophetjohn on Jul 25, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strauss....full of shit
KW, on Rasmus report, “that, as reported, is incorrect.”

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by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

who is KW

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Williams went on to say,

“I would make that trade in one second. ONE SECOND!”

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd for hilarity

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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The deal is really colby for ozzie guillen and frank thomas's tricep

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by VolsnCards5 on Jul 25, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can the tricep double as an ankle?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

my latest mental craziness

Colby and Theriot to the Padres for Harang and Luddy

by the Tewk on Jul 25, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

wtf?

in what parallel universe do we need an outfielder?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was just a silly idea

but your retort is ignorant. Mr Rasmus plays outfield. If you trade an OF perhaps, uh, you NEED an OF

by the Tewk on Jul 25, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

If we’re trading Rasmus, it’s because we have a whole lot productive outfielders, not because we want someone else to come play outfield for us.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah except that Colby is under control for longer and is better than those players.

And why would they want Theriot?

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Latos and Adams and Bartlett for Colby and Theriot,

and the Padres eat all the salary. And I get a pony. And zombie Richard Feynman becomes our GM.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he's gritty

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm always so relieved when the trade deadline has actually passed....

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the game doesn't start until 5:15....ugh

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't worry-

I’m almost drunk already!

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think i can drink again for awhile

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when I had that VEB drinking game all planned out and then did nothing with it?

That ish was CRAZAY

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i will drink again for THAT.

friday night!

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

you will have to change all the b****** ones

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

A lot of it has to change, actually…

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing worse than a west coaster whining about a "late" start time...

Sometimes I fall asleep before the 9th inning.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

it just helps the work day go by

trust me, i would much rather watch the games from the comfort of my couch

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

how late do you work?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

7:30 or 8

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

except on fridays

then i leave between 5 and 6

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

My hours are pretty sweet at my job

I assume it’s okay because I haven’t been yelled at

9:30-4:30 on normal days

3:00-10:00 on game days

Suits my dispositions so much

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec

"I love Matt Holliday soooooo much" -azruavatar

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet!

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

My job isn't paying me 7 figures

…yet?

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

p.s. i make my own hours

i choose to sleep until 7 and show up around 9:30. if i could get my lazy ass out of bed, i would not have to work so late at night.

but its a cycle.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wake up at 8:45 to show up at work at 9:30. It takes you that long to get ready?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This morning I literally woke up at 8:55 and showed up at work at 9:15

Gotta shower at night to make that kind of morning turnout work.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Word

Though I live like 15 minutes away. Our new apartment is going to be literally across the street from where I work. It’s going to be awesome.

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a 12-15 minute bike ride into work

I basically roll out of bed and onto my bike.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh i look at that and think about how cold that is

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's because that's cold.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

it doesn't sound nice to me

now, 77 and sunny….that would be nice.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss LA sometimes

But very rarely

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't you just park your car on the shoulder of I-70 and sleep in it

until this sentiment goes away?

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by tom s. on Jul 26, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

that would be my city of choice

either that or denver. denver only wins if money is a consideration. money and traffic.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. Everyone loves San Diego for good reason

Went to a couple of Tony Gwynn’s baseball camps there. Just perfect weather.

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by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looooovvvvveeeeeeeee San Diego. Might be my favorite city in the US

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whales vagina must remind you of home.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Goddammit get back to work

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is mine

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be nice.

I don’t mind the cold but anything below 70 I classify as cold.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I don't mind it if I'm dressed for it.

Also I wasn’t planning on it.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or, like, anywhere north of the deep south

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you catch that?

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by RiverRat on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course you do

You live in the blow-dryer that is Arizona.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, FWIW

It’s been more like 70-75 and sunny in my part of the city for the last couple weeks — the weather here varies wildly based on which part of the city you live in.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then she should be able to shave off 30 minutes of her mornings!

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

its just funny how quickly your body adjusts to its environment

we were in lake tahoe at the end of june and i was cold pretty much the entire time and my family from oregon were all wearing shorts and sundresses

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

When I go home to Chicago for Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays now, I freeze my ass off the whole time. I cannot handle real winter anymore.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago winters are a different breed of winter though.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is the upside to living in the Midwest

you’re used to everybody’s weather, more or less.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, especially if you're going to the beach

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too cold for the beach here

Anyway, the Pacific is too cold for real swimming anyway, as I’m sure you know from your time in LA. And surfing in a wetsuit sucks.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh you get used to it

Among the best days I had in California were the ones I went to the beaches of Malibu and just body surfed all day

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll stick with boarding over snow

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I shower at night my hair looks like a Pekingnese died on my head in the morning.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I shave my head

Which means, unfortunately, that my best animal simile for my morning hairdo is a hairless cat.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is true that the animal simile is the only bad thing about it

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha! same.

and it magically gets oily overnight

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know!

It’s amazing.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

your life sucks.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

correct.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i retract said statement.

you’re just lazy. who the fuck takes 2.5 hours to get from bed to work? you better be looking damn good.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't know how long my commute is!

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

how long?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha about 6 minutes

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tsktsk

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the weekends i get ready in an hour, sometimes less

but i do have to look very polished for work.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

so in reality it takes you two hours.

i would wake up at 6 (and actually get out of bed) and get to the office by 8. that put you out at a much more reasonable 6 or 6:30

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's not a morning person

God don’t you know anything about her?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

if it were possible for me to get up that early i woudl do it

i used to set my alarm for 6 but then i just hit snooze for over an hour and piss off my boyfriend

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha i'm the king of the snooze button.

my brother gets pissed off.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a kid on our hall freshman year...

he hit the snooze button for at least two hours and you could hear it all the way down the hall.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

well that's fucking rude.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

My roomate freshman year did that

It was awful. The alarm didnt even wake him up. I had to yell at him every 5 min to turn it off

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by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're pretty sure this was true of this guy.

Because we never actually heard it stop.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah to this day if I hear an alarm that sounds similar

I just get pissed off for no reason.

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by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pavlov for the win!

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking polished means...

?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

That’s looking fabulous.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, then more like

this?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't tell what kind of sigh this was

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

wistful

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by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah man I so would

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Related note

The movie Breakfast at Tiffany’s is 50 years old this year.

Carry on.

by TBender on Jul 25, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking this too.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes me about 2 hours if I get ready all the way.

(Run, shower, air dry my hair a little before blow drying, blow dry and straighten my hair, get dressed, put make up on, choose accessories…)
Often I skip the blow dry and straighten and that takes about a half hour off.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Says you.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think this Bieber haircut styles itself?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh no he dih-int!

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how to reply to this comment without being creepy

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably can't be done.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ba da bing

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless your hair is horribly unmanageable,

just go with a little gel and the wavy thing.

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by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't work on my hair.

Actually my hair looks fine when I don’t straighten it, I just like it straightened.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

a great mystery of the universe

that ladies with curly hair fry their hair to get it straight
and ladies with straight hair fry theirs to get it curly or wavy

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said it looks fine.

About half of it is wavy or curly and the other half is just straight. However if it’s super humid the straight part curls some so it fixes itself.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

another great mystery of the universe

any man saying anything about a womans hair other than it looks great

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep i learned the hard way on that one.

they DO NOT under any circumstances want your actual opinion(most of the time)

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by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wish i could do that

i started air drying my hair and wearing it wavy at work for like a week. then i was told i looked like a hippy.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like wavy

My wife always straightens it and I’ll all “Girl nuh uh”

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I start going to schools and stuff I will most likely straighten it every morning.

It looks acceptable for regular school but unless I am having an amazing hair day it needs help.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, they just make it hard.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and thats what she said

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by rlgosnell on Jul 25, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm a dude, and i will usually give myself 2 hours in the morning too.

i will run/workout first thing, and i just like to give myself a good amount of time to eat breakfast and gear up for the day.

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by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah well

You sound like the kind of person with self-discipline, so that’s a big difference.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the term you're looking for is metrosexual. Not "dude".

Real dudes roll out of bed and go straight to work. There is no “getting ready” or “giving myself time to gear up for the day”.

Actually I’m just not a morning person and I roll out of the rack 10 minutes before I have to hit the door.

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

but anyway, by the time i actually get out of bed, its closer to 7:30.

then i have to make coffee and take a shower. women wash AND condition their hair. we also usually have to shave our legs every other day. so now its 8:00. then i put my make-up on. now its 8:30. then i blow dry my hair, which is naturally curly, so i have to straighten as i blow dry. now it is 8:50. then i get dressed, go downstairs and make my lunch. now it is 9:15. then i leave for work. the drive itself takes about 6 minutes, but i have to park on bottom of the parking garage and take the elevator to the lobby. then i have to take a second elevator to get to my office. now it is 9:30.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes you longer to put make up on than to do your hair.

I am doing something wrong.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait,
so now its 8:00. then i put my make-up on. now its 8:30

really?

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by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i eat breakfast at work.

by makeup i also include washing my face, applying toner, moisturizer, and eye cream. I also include the time spent washing my eyeliner brush every day. the actual make up application takes more like 20 min.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

God that's a lot of crap to do every morning

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. but no wrinkles!

…yet

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love being a guy.

Shower for 10 minutes, get dressed in 2 minutes, eat breakfast for 5. Out the door.

I’d wake up at 6:30 for school. Leave by 6:50.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 25, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just reminded me how much high school sucked

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to have to get up at 5 this year.

I have no sympathy for Mr. 6 AM here.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lolwut

At no point in college past my freshman year did I have to wake up before 10:00 AM

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

word.

I had one class before 10 my entire undergraduate career (11 was my earliest class freshman year, seriously), and that was because 9:30 was the only time that class was offered, every semester.

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by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I took an 8:30 class once

ONCE.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is the way to do it

I had to get up at 5:40 to catch a bus to practice as a freshman, which pretty directly led to me quitting that team and waking up at 10 or later for the rest of my college career. I can’t imagine committing to that for multiple years

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did you play?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a runner in high school

converted to a rower for one year of college. Was much better as a rower, since not being stick-thin became an advantage instead of a liability.

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

My freshman year

I ran track & cross country. Morning track workouts are a special breed of hell.

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by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is the truth

although at least you don’t have much in your stomach to bring up if it really gets to you

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had some 6:15 am baseball practices in high school

Nothing worse than getting up well before dawn in the dead of winter, trudging through snow to a cold car that is so old it takes 20 minutes before it starts blowing warm air, and then running a couple miles to start your day. Terrible.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try 5:30 am swimming practices.

Then leaving with your hair still wet. Then your hair freezes.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's brutal.

That’s how you get a chill that doesn’t leave all day.

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by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's also how you get sick for most of the winter.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true, it's pretty hard to not get sick during the winter

in college. Shit just spreads like wildfire.

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by hittmeier on Jul 25, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't pretend I can compete with the swimmers' schedule

You swimmers were insane.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

We were.

But it really brings you together as a team.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey us ultimate players were insane too!

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

But it actually is a real sport!

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No argument from me

I’ve known a few really intense ultimate players. To play it at a high level requires great athleticism.

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by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of our frisbee practices were, like, 8:00 - 11:00 PM

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean from 10-11

after toking for a couple of hours, right?

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

seconded

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i had 6 am practices too during football and basketball season

nothing like being on a cold wet football field at 6 am and having the wet grass soak through to your socks.

not as bad as frozen hair though.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You weren't n education major at a school in the middle of nowhere.

Therefore the absolute best commute I can hope for is about 30 minutes. And we have to be there around 7, preferably before.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah one of my roommates is an education major

She’s going to have to do that this upcoming year

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Went to a college where all classes started at 9:00 am

but you only took one class at a time. Colorado College’s block plan…each block was 3 1/2 weeks long, then a 1/2 week in between each block…nine blocks a year (now they do only 8). Of course, classes could last from 9 until 11:30, and those with lab work had labs in the afternoon, but even so….loved college.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

phenomenal school.

college i went to took a page from that book and did one term per year like CC in May. best month of the year, bar none.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meant to say that the 1/2 week in between each block were

vacation days, called a block break.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's because you didn't study science, jackass

some of us got up at like 7 every morning.

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by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

MaytheForsch will win this contest.

I’m not even gonna enter.

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did this in high school, too

except it was 7:10 and 7:30, and I still had 3 other kids to pick up along the way, and be at school by 8:10. Of course, two of the other 3 were bro/sis, and the third one lived on the way to the other two, but still.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 25, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I run out of shampoo and body wash, so my entire morning consists of a conditioner shower and whatever food i grabbed on the way out.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your skin must be baby soft on those days.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what every person I creepily tell to touch me says.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMFG moment:

Brendan Ryan is LEADING THE MARINERS POSITION PLAYERS IN WAR.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm all out of tears.

i’m on to dry heaving

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

Too much Maker’s Mark.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't fret, IHB

It’s not because of what Boog has done, but because of what his teammates have failed to do

Hit me up on Google+

by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bro I posted that like a week ago

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and because mysterui took his asian mojo back to the midwest.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes clearly I was good luck for them last year

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, look.

Not only SKC, but the entire sport of soccer seems to have benefited from your arrival.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cannot deny this effect

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Asian mojo?

I’m afraid that’s not accurate, I am a white dude.

TRADE FOR RICH HARDEN

Most recent start: 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 4 BB, 6 K @ NYY
2011 stats: 4.63 ERA, 4.82 FIP, 3.54 xFIP

by mojowo11 on Jul 25, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet their MIF is better than ours...

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't they trade Pineda and/or Felix...

for a whole mess of decent position players. They could probably get Grandal/Meso + Frazier + Alonso + Hamilton etc etc…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, honestly any decent flyball pitcher is going to do really, really well at Safeco

I wouldn’t trade Pineda yet but maybe Felix for a King’s ransom (lololololol) of prospects

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

They really need a catcher, third baseman, and a bunch of outfielders who can mash.

It’s not at all hopeless. I’m sure Mo would set them up with Craig, Rasmus, one of Cox/Carp/Freese, plus more for Felix. Just about any team would. Now that I think about it, they’re kind of crazy not to spread out the value that Felix represents. One twinge and all this value goes up in smoke

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dog just attempted to run away from the pizza man at the door.

I’m not used to small dogs so I was planning on using my leg to block him. That doesn’t work when the dog can fit under your leg. Fun times. Luckily he stopped when I yelled stop at him and I could pick him up.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

FSNMW reports "shoulder strain" not rotator cuff on Berk

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 71

by d-dee on Jul 25, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Same diff

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

dunno, you're the doctor

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 71

by d-dee on Jul 25, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright well my brain is adequately fried.

No more Bar studying for me. I am putting my fate in whatever hands which it lands. This game needs to start soon!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Good luck, my friend

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

when's the exam?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 71

by d-dee on Jul 25, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow & Wednesday

6 hours each day.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

will be keeping all the fingers i have crossed for you

GOOD LUCK

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 71

by d-dee on Jul 25, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

GL.

Q. What's the sound of Colby clapping with one hand?
A. I DON’T KNOW BUT HES A LAZY BASTARD FOR NOT USING BOTH
-a fink

by hazel on Jul 25, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck.

I do not envy you.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 25, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

best of luck man!

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Phillies are on pace for 104 wins...

YIKES!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 25, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

with an iffy offense

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

could have been us!

damn you ligaments and bullpens and shortstops

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jul 25, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

woo hoo!

Poplar Bluff on the pregame show!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Again, Shelby Miller pitches on milb.tv in 15 minutes

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Nobody has that...

can we have a running p-b-p?

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 25, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I got that

Thanks haha

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

How you enjoying it?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

great pot there dude

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely lovely, although it's a bit hot

I just finished picking my first year schedule. Because I’m on academic probation my first year, they only let me take 15 credits the first term (so 3 classes instead of 4). I’m taking Shakespeare, writing, and philosophy in film.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

How are you already on academic probation?

When (and why) did you decide on Oregon?

Hit me up on Google+

by jd is legend on Jul 25, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got like a 1.8 GPA second semester senior year

So they put me on probation.

I convinced my mom to send me there about a month ago. I wanted to go there because it’s the same quality a school as the other two I got into, and my best friend is going there.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 25, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got a 1.8 GPA?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 26, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I understand how hard it is to get focused.

Hell I was unfocused as ever, but so where my teachers. I got a 3.72 GPA in the second semester without trying.

And no I’m not one of those kids that can do that either. That was like my 2nd highest GPA in a semester my whole time in high school.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 27, 2011 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, where are you going to college again?

Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hear the weather has been really random up there lately

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

SSS

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

greetings! I'm jealous!

Is Jon Jay the new Willie McGee?

by a fink on Jul 25, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Springfield Cardinals liveblog

OH GOD JIM RAPAPORT IS PLAYING

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Lineup

Rapaport
Jackson
Duncan
Castellanos
Cox
Cutler
Curtis
Jones
Swauger

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christian Colon, Wil Myers (playing CF?!) playing for the Naturals

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeffress starting?!

What the fuck is going on

This game was an excellent choice to watch

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck you Rapaport

Stop looking so sexy

Jeffress throwing gas

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lines out to Myers in CF

Why is he playing there?! That really boosts his value

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Jackson lines the other way for a single

Then something weird happened and he wound up at 2nd

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duncan strikes out on a nice curve from Jeffress

Castellanos having a good year. 17 HR this year already, plays a mediocre outfield I believe

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals lead 1-0

Ball goes right under the SS glove, Jackson scores, Castellanos on first

ZACK COX

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bro's got pretty big thighs

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeffress throwing a lot of curveballs

They must really be wanting him to start?

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ground ball to short

Inning over

SHELBY TIME

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

S'pose not

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, where is matt carpenter?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait i am dumb nevermind

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Yeah.

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

LET'S DO THIS SHIT SHELBY

First pitch low

Pitch tap apparent

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Called strike 3 to open the game

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chopping grounder by Colon to first

3 unassisted

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poll on shortstop problem at Redbird Rants

http://redbirdrants.com/2011/07/25/its-defense-stupid/

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by bbfanatic on Jul 25, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

what a wonderful day

just ate a great dinner, weather finally dropped from triple digits or close (WTF, Maine) to mid 70s, drinking my favorite IPA, and Cardinal baseball, against a team that they could actually beat, is about to begin.

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

which IPA?

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lunch

you probably can’t get it :[

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

need to go visit my aunt in bar harbor one of these days, just for the awesome beer we can ’t get here

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That looks intriguing

and seems to be available where I live…have to try it!

by Robth on Jul 25, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

phenomenal.

bottled 4 days ago, nonetheless. if you can get it, i’m sure it’s that bottling- the only other one was 2 months ago and it’s long gone.

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz
"we don't know what level we're on!!!!!!" -Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've noticed the less one has followed the minor leagues

the more one likes Jon Jay. amirite? just a generalization though. I follow the minor leagues more than the average fan, but I just don’t pay that much attention compared to some people.

FIRE TONY RASMUS

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jul 25, 2011 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

cause it's a given that people always perform exactly to their MLEs.....

it’s like an iron law of nature or something.

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a fresh thread for the game

this one is full of Theriot suck.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

but, there is an infinite supply

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need a part-time moderator

someone who has the cabability to create official gamethreads

No one expects GERALD. F. LAIRD.
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by hr on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEP can do it

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by mysterui on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

or they could just schedule game threads.....

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jul 25, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

fuck, its kmac tonight?

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

happens

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 25, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

and serving better meatballs than i had for dinner

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

that could be an interesting sitcom

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Alvarez is back with the Pirates tonight.

/know your nl central leaders

"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby

by The Continental on Jul 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

any chance we can trick Barmes into going into the wrong dugout

and shove theriot’s uni on him?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

ba = .254

tg can do that

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's also around 2.0 WAR

according to the chart The Continental posted yesterday. Greene can’t do that.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 25, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barnes is on pace for 4 WAR

I think we KNOW Greene can do that.

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by CodyG on Jul 25, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd say prob not, but i also say we don't know

i favor giving him that chance, though i know it is a bit risky at this stage of the season

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 25, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we do one of those things where we trade in the middle of the game?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 25, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

GAME THREAD

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 25, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Trade Propsoal for Jose Reyes

Cards Get:

Jose Reyes
Bobby Parnell
Tim Brydak

Mets Get:

Colby Rasmus
Mykel Cleto

Thoughts?

by salukihoops on Jul 25, 2011 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Have you been smoking crack?

Any other thoughts I had were inappropriate.

I just don’t see any way that Alderson doesn’t laugh Mo off the phone if that gets offered.

"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alderson would love to get Colby Rasmus

Mo would not get laughed off the phone…

…he would hear a counter offer that included Izzy instead of Parnell

by salukihoops on Jul 25, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Izzy and Shelby Miller maybe

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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 25, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Mets would trade Reyes for Colby

1 for 1 deal

I think the Mets would absolutely love to get 3 cost controlled years of Rasmus.

by salukihoops on Jul 25, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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