Wilson Betemit, Francisco Rodriguez, and striking while the iron isn't even made of iron
by DanUpBaby on Jul 21, 2011 8:01 AM EDT
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I could be wrong, here, but does it seem like trade value for possibly useful, lightly used veterans totally cratered at some unknown point between last July and this exact moment? After the Francisco Rodriguez deal assisted NL Central nemesis number one—helped along, admittedly, by the New York Mets' inability to recognize a phone-card scheme when they see it—for two players to be named later, the Tigers picked up Wilson Betemit from the Royals for Generic Left-Handed-Teenager and Vaguely Intriguing Backup Catcher.
Betemit was a superprospect 10 years ago and is now basically Unfrozen Dominican Scott Spiezio—he's a better-than-average hitter and a mediocre third baseman who was once (and in St. Louis would probably return to being) an awful middle infielder. That's not going to reshape the AL Central, but a few years ago the Cardinals traded the Cleveland Indians their future closer and a future reliever to be named later for the same brand of third base stopgap. And a few months ago, the Cardinals were supposed to trade players to be named right now for Heath Bell.
I don't know what's going on, but if the Cardinals are interested in improving at the deadline they should stop trying to trade Colby Rasmus for Joe Maddon's glasses and start looking in on some of these second-tier guys. I'm pretty sure the Dodgers' current demands for Hong-Chih Kuo involve me mentioning his name one more time on this blog, though if I do it again my afterlife case worker tells me it's going to be exceedingly hard to get rid of him.
If the Cardinals do decide to go for one of these non-Heath-Bells, here are some pseudo-prospects who could probably be turned into the pitching equivalent of Wilson Betemit. I feel weird doing this—these last few trades have looked like message board trades, where you get Matt Cain in exchange for a left-handed first baseman with a bad shoulder and your team's 40th-best prospect, a 16-year-old who hit .240 in the VSL. But he was young for his league!
John Gast, the only pitcher in the system known primarily for his pick-off move, made quick but not-especially-impressive work of high-A Palm Beach and is off to a good start in Springfield, which has destroyed lesser pitchers. He's a better prospect than either of the pieces in the Betemit trade, and is the kind of prospect that had trade value even before it was determined this July that we were playing under Cards Talk rules, and every player in the world had trade value except Colby Rasmus.
Joe Kelly's not-quite-high strikeout rates and not-quite-high walk rates don't really do it for me in spite of his groundball tendencies; Jess Todd's He Will Destroy Us All starter numbers were better, and the end result of that trade is that the Cardinals are able to block Jess Todd again in 2011.
With Seth Blair having an unpleasant start to his minor league career the Cardinals' rotation depth isn't quite as thick as it was supposed to be, but the Cardinals could afford to lose one of them if the player they got back was solidly above average (or as solidly above average as lefty relievers are allowed to be, if that's the move that gets made.)
But those guys are actual prospects—top 20 per John Sickels. Once you get into the Betemit-class prospects your options open up.
On one rack, you've got the players who are blocked in the organization or clearly come up short in some important area. Is monsieur looking for a maybe-catcher with offensive skills and no future in the organization? Do you prefer Steve Hill's .933 OPS and ability to stand at catcher at the AA level, Charles Cutler's smooth left-handed swing and organizational anonymity, or—and it hurts me to part with him, but I'll do it—Bryan Anderson, who is basically Josh Thole but was drafted on an old Indian burial ground?
What about some ostensibly AAAA hitters who could grow into Ben Broussard? Mark Hamilton has now hit .309/.400/.540 in 155 PCL games and was once a second-round pick! Alex Castellanos is like Matt Adams, only several years older, Jon-Jay-sized, and recently converted to the outfield! That .270/.339/.462 line in 2010 could well be a Florida State League mirage! Daryl Jones's nickname is DJ Tools, which is great! And he really wasn't much worse than Adron Chambers before he got squeezed back into Springfield, where he's hitting .378 like everybody else. Aaron Luna! Hey, Shane Robinson went 5-5 with a double and two home runs yesterday, how about that guy?
It's been going on for a while, but it feels like it's accelerated this year: Major League teams have begun valuing cost-controlled prospects as much as we do on Future Redbirds, and they've combined that trait with the unfortunate fact that they have to actually pay all the players who aren't cost-controlled. When the market begin to look like this, even Pete Kozma looks like a possible target; that makes it so easy to produce mock trades it's impossible.
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brandon inge
a lifer for the tigers may no longer be
by guillermozeliak on Jul 21, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions
FSN wouldn't either
Dan made a big deal about how they wouldn’t give them any airtime, but was more than happy to give a fairly descriptive play-by-play.
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
If you're willing to jump on the field, run around for my entertainment
eventually be tackled and possibly tazered, these networks should air it. It’s the only decent thing to do. It’s not like on the field runs are prolific at MLB stadiums. It seems like there’s maybe a handful each year. Just air the darn things – fans love them.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
the kid last night was actually quite athletic - very enjoyable to watch.
He didn’t seem intoxicated at all, was playing into the crowd, and had some solid jukes. Only reason he got caught was that he gave up – no chance he was getting caught on the open field by those security guards. They were gassed.
Here is a link to my google+ profile.
apophasis!
go Mr. Dan.
(I still want to call it praeteritio. Paralipsis just looks odd.)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
if there's anything i appreciate with my cup of coffee in the morning
it’s a beetlejuice reference to distract me from thinking about the cardinals.
hoozah Mr. Up
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
I was randomly thinking of Beetlejuice the other night
‘cause the subject turned to apocalyptic imagery, and one of the husband’s faces looked like those plague doctors.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry about Perez
Salas is better. Motte is better. Perez isn’t bad, but i’d rather have the two guys we have now.
And DeRosa would have worked out if he didn’t get injured. The Perez-for-DeRosa isn’t a case study for why you shouldn’t trade. I mean, it’s just as well could have been we didn’t trade Perez, and then next week he blows out his elbow and needs TJ, and then on rehab the next year he tears up his shoulder.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Gast, Kelly, and Blair.....
I don’t put too much value on guys like that because we should be able to draft several guys just like that every year, if we want/need to.
Also, our rotation for the future is pretty much set. At least, partially. Waino will be there. Garcia will be there. Shelby will be there. And for the next couple of years we’ll have Lohse and Westy there. We still have Martinez. We still have Lynn. And we still have several other SP prospects, not to mention, we can always draft more.
If guys like that can bring back useful players for the stretch run every year, I’m more than happy to trade them.
Gast, Kelly, Swagerty and Rosenthal are all eminently tradeable
the last two probably having slightly more value than the first two. I’d imagine we could swing a rental on (say) a Hiroki Kuroda-level starter, or a competent middle infielder for those sort of guys. If we’re willing to take on a little salary we can probably add a better starter than KMac and/or a lefty reliever for very little. That would be my preference, but I’d be OK with trading any of those guys for a passable rental, along with Cox and perhaps guys like Chambers.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my favorite captions yet!
Not quite my favorite though (RA Dickey closeup, caption “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”).
Whenever I get bummed about the Cardinals seeming insistence that we shouldn’t consider them true contenders, I just look at the standings and realize that the entire NL Central is trying to convince their fanbase that they should not get their hopes up.
Starting pitching or MIF. I don’t know who, where, when or how. I always cringe at the idea of picking up expensive bullpen help midseason, just not enough impact to be made.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
From what it looks like
an upgrade to starting pitching may be easier to acquire than 2B/SS help, unless the team is willing to go big.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Yeah, I know.
when our starting MIF was giving us fWAR of 6.4 (2005) and 5.3 (2004)?
Every time i see an effective shortstop or 2B come to the plate or make a non-routine (hell, even routine) play in the field, I can’t help but frown.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
there was supposed to be "remember..." before the "when"
stupid’d!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I think adding a SS or 2B that TLR is willing to play and DFAing Theriot might help
someone like Jamey Carroll or Clint Barmes would do. Although I have a sneaking suspicion the return to action of Punto and TLR’s apparent liking for Descalso may mean a little less Theriot/Skip going forward, which would be good.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's my favourite caption ever.
Absolutely love it.
In somewhat tangentially related miscellany, I did some work related to Kabuki syndrome a few years ago.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
How many of you think....
We should just sit pat, and do nothing or very little, trade-wise, b/c without Waino, we probably wouldn’t get out of the 1st round of the playoffs anyways?
I hate to think that way with Albert’s future up in the air, but I’d also hate to make a trade that really won’t improve the team come playoff time. Sure, adding a backend SP might help us make the playoffs, but is it going to help us beat Philly or SF? Probably not. I certainly don’t envy Mo right now. He has some tough choices to make.
I think you have to go for it when you can (See 2006)
This team is capable of making the playoffs, but adding a SP upgrade and bullpen help would certainly improve those odds. So long as you are not mortgaging the future, I think they have to go for it.
There is a lot of baseball between now and the playoffs. I’m not conceding the Phillies the NL championship.
I disagree.
In a best-of-five divisional series, anything is possible. We took the Schilling-Johnson (or, is it Johnson-Schilling) Diamondbacks (remember back before a hyphen swallowed up “iamond” in their name?) to five games and lost on a walk-off single. In the playoffs anything can happen. So much of it is luck that, when you have a chance and that chance may be the last one with Albert Pujols on your team, you need to jump at it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
(Look who won Game 3 for Arizona…)
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
That series remains vivid in my mind.
1) Because I felt so bad for Matt Morris
2) Because I couldn’t believe we lost to Miguel Batista (right after handling Randy Johnson)
3) This series (despite the negative result) convinced me that playoff baseball was the greatest thing in sports.
4) The camera angles made Matt Morris’ curveball look like it was completely unhittable.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I agree with you in all of that.
(Except I didn’t have a compulsion against b****** at that time.)
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Matt Morris's curveball
was unhittable that game. I don’t think I’ve ever saw him pitch a better game.
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 21, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That was Matt Morris's finest hour
He was who we all hoped he would be that whole season.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 21, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Upgrading Lohse/Westbrook/McClellan which provides a better chance to get to (and win in) the NLDS
should be easy and cheap enough without impacting 2012 and beyond.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
That's just it.....
Do you see us adding a SP that would automatically become the “3” behind Carp and Garcia? I don’t see many guys available like that, no matter how bad those three above have been.
People here have suggested both Hiroki Kuroda and Javier Vazquez
both, on their day, are excellent pitchers and better than those other three. I’m vaguely hopeful one of Lohse or Westbrook might turn it around and be just about palatable if/when the post-season comes, but we improve our chances a lot by being able to say “well, ONE of Westbrook, Lohse or Vazquez might be pitching well in October, right?” rather than just having two guys to choose from. Kuroda would be my preference, if he wants to move, as I think he’s legitimately better than Lohse/Westy now, whereas with Vazquez you’re kinda relying on his velocity increase from the last 5 starts being for real and hoping he’s turned it around.
Also, if we’re genuinely thinking about moving Colby, it’s not implausible you can package him for a younger starter somewhere.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
CALL BILLY BEANE
Wily veterans are undervalued!!
um...
ERA / FIP / tRA?
I like Kuroda. But the issue I have with trading for a starter as follows:
Or middle infield defense will take that 3.72 FIP and turn it into a 4.50 ERA
Grit != flat out sucking.
xFIP
and any pitcher traded for would be playing in front of the same defense as kyle mcclellan who has a much less shiny FIP
by prophetjohn on Jul 21, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that much less shinny
his xFIP is lower than his ERA also.
A better pitcher will help, but a good middle infielder will make all the pitchers better. Both and a loogy would be preferred. Make it happen Mo?
Grit != flat out sucking.
I dig this.
doesn’t he have a NTC that he seems reluctant to waive?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
very possibily
i didn’t really do any research
by prophetjohn on Jul 21, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I just remembered seeing the headline
Looks like he doesn’t want to go to the East Coast
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Someone should tell Kuroda that St. Louis is on the West Coast of the Mississippi River.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
we actually floated that on VEB once.
I think it may even have been Kuroda.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know whether it is the oppressive heat getting to me or what
but this team just isn’t very much fun to watch right now.
Dropping
21 of their last 33 games will make anyone say it’s not fun to watch.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jul 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My feelings about the Cardinals season can be summed up by a famous quote
from Broke Back Mountain, “I wish I knew how to quit you.”
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
we should also buy low on furcal
with the way he’s hitting (and his .198 BABIP) we should be able to get him for something like shane robinson
i'd take that
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
another good idea
I was keen on him earlier in the year but I think I basically forgot. IIRC he might be under contract next year as well?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i won't be around for the game, but here's the lineup
Theriot SS, Jay CF, Pujols 1B, Holliday LF, Berkman RF, Freese 3B, Molina C, Punto 2B, Westbrook P
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
trade colby.
twitter
i wonder why no Colby...
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
let me clarify
I WANT to wonder why no Colby
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
1 of 3. somewhat NSFW, last one is defn. NSFW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p4LcL8fC6A
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
wondering where he could be, who he is with, what is he thinking...
is he thinking of you
and whether he will ever return one day
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems like there's another battle between
Tony and the front office.
The front office won’t trade him or send him down. Tony won’t play him. Instead he just languishes on the bench while we sit and wait for 1 bloop single to left after another from Jay. Meanwhile, Rasmus, b/c he isn’t playing, isn’t getting any better and his trade value is declining.
What a gigantic cluster-f&*k this organization is!
I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion from a roster move
that now gives us a center fielder who is getting hits.
Agreed. John Jay has 75 points of OPS on Colby this year.
I’ve seen better evidence of poor personnel management than Colby sitting in favor of Jay today.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Then trade him
That’s my point. The bottom line is that the team is sitting the better player b/c he’s in a slump and they intend on leaving him there indefinitely. Sure, he’ll play 1 game out of 3 or 4 but how does that help the team or him? It doesn’t. In fact, it makes both worse.
There are a lot, like you, who prefer a .300 singles hitter who never walks, to Rasmus. That’s fine. Then let’s trade Rasmus before he loses all of his trade value.
It’s just ridiculous to just play him once out of every 3 or 4 games. He won’t get out of his slump sitting on the bench and when he’s not slumping, he’s much better than Jay.
It should also be noted that Dusty Baker, who gets mocked in Cardinals circles more than any other manager around, continued to play Stubbs through his slump (which was worse than Rasmus’s). That’s the only way Rasmus gets out of his slump.
I’ll also point out that having a CF who hits singles only and doesn’t walk and whose defense is only adequate doesn’t help the team that much. It’s short term thinking and it hurts the club over the long term.
Want to help the team? Play him or trade him…it’s that simple.
Jay is out-slugging Colby this year.....
So take that “CF who hits singles only” crap, and flush it.
Jay has an ISO 40 points below Colby.
he’s out-slugging Colby explicitly because of the singles he hits. So you might want to consider more carefully before talking big game.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
by azruavatar on Jul 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Heh. Not sure I have a horse in this race but: Rec'd.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm,
Jay is playing better defense too. And Rasmus HAS been playing through his slump to the tune of 2 for his last 25 or so, and has hit barely above .200 since the first of June with very little power and a lower walk %.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I don't think there's any need to trade either Rasmus or Jay right now.
I don’t see any evidence that “they intend on leaving” Colby on the bench “indefinitely” or that Jay will play 3 out of 4 with Colby playing 1.
I don’t prefer Jay to Colby, nor do I prefer “.300 singles hitters who never walk.”
I don’t care what Dusty Baker does.
IMO, “short term thinking that hurts the club” is what you are proposing by trading Colby now.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, trading him is just dumb
Unless the return was awesome. i think that horse has been beaten to death.
OTOH, makes all the sense in the world to option him. He’s only got to stay down for about 3 weeks to pick up a year of club control, and if he doesn’t start hitting in Memphis there’s a decent chance they might even delay arbitration for a year.
And if confidence is the issue, teeing off on AAA pitching for a month might make all the difference.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
That's a fantastic idea
I think it totally burns our bridges WRT an extension, but they may have been burnt anyhow.
It’s what the Brewers did with Hardy IIRC, to a great deal of disparagement but I actually think with Colby we could just about justify it. Anyhow – once Craig’s back, I think that’s a fantastic idea.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 22, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
STOP THE PRESSES
dgoold Derrick Goold
#cardinals are changing the lineup, La Russa says. He’s rewriting it now. Awaiting alteration. Will post when completed. #STLcards
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
T probably just hadn't had his coffee when he filled out the first one.
This game is too early for him too.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Theriot starts serving suspension
Per Goold (Twitter)
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Lineup today...
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Or just read zoomzoom's post.
F’in TBender.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Always cool to see the actual filled-out card, though.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
especially when some imposter is at catcher.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
tony has nice handwriting
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
that M seems fancy
I can’t remember if it’s him who does it, though. maybe it’s Joe
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
reallylikegoldinmydangoleilluminatedlettersthankskindlyMrJoe
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so.
I think that’s the one posted in the dugout.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited the game is so early today. I need to get last night's taste out of my mouth.
And get your mind out of the gutter.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
Ah.
Twins. Very nice.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on Jul 21, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
apologies for handegg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTbsLgiUuUU
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
My God. Seriously.
I was listening to Hans Rott Symphony in E. I clicked on your link. And now? Now my morning is ruined. Jerk.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
your first mistake was clicking a link on VEB expecting high culture
not to mention I did warn for handegg.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm wondering what technology they used on Peyton Manning's stiff neck
other than that, indifferent.
oh wait, maybe I am wondering whether Ndamukong will get into music. because that would be funny.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and B****** is starting in the Mets' system.
We touch on it briefly in last night’s honkin’-big gamethread.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
OT: If you aren't reading Grantland, you should be
here’s a great article on the back-story of the Pirates this year.
Well-known to most VEB-ers, but still well-written.
Also: Grantland is the first site I’ve ever seen specially laid out for DFW-style footnotes alongside in the right margin. Outstanding.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6781455/when-long-shot-your-best-shot
YOG
I really like Grantland.
It’s such a unique and interesting perspective. I’m glad their giving voice to the silent majority of sports fans out there.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
by azruavatar on Jul 21, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I blame english for it's plethora of homophones.
(Still mostly my fault.)
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
Pre-empt: That apostrophe is intentional to make up for the prior one I missed.
This may not be obvious upon re-read.
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
fine.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, though, Rany is awesome
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I'm a fan of Grantland (and Simmons).
I know you were being sarcastic but I actually do think it brings a unique and interesting perspective. Some of the articles are a bit tiresome but overall I think the content is good.
Yeah like your mom
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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the middle aged, white male, college graduate perspective is hard to find on the internet.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
IMO
The quality on Grantland is MUCH better than any other content I have read applying this perspective.
I thought this is what you did with your SBN posts?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I never graduated college, suckers!
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
by Alxfritz on Jul 21, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's another Grantland article from the LAT
I live in LA, so I know occasionally the LAT has some interesting articles….
I thought this pair of paragraphs actually spoke a lot of sense
and was sort of something I hadn’t considered:
That’s particularly true because the youth movement they’ve been building since 2007 is still years away from reaching its potential. It doesn’t help that the Pirates’ top picks in 2008 and 2009, third baseman Pedro Alvarez and catcher Tony Sanchez, have both been disappointing as pros. The Pirates’ top three prospects, right-handers Jameson Taillon, Stetson Allie, and Luis Heredia, are all 20 years old or younger. Gerrit Cole, who was the no. 1 overall pick in this year’s draft and is expected to sign next month, might be the only impact player to debut with the Pirates between now and 2014.
Even if the Pirates were to hew to tradition and sell off their marketable players for prospects, Pittsburgh would still need everything to go right to be contenders in 2012 or 2013. They would need unexpectedly good performances from unheralded players, and they would need their NL Central rivals to underachieve. They would need a season, in other words, like the one they’re having right now.
It’s really true that any chance the Pirates get to contend, they might as well take. Guys like Sanchez and, really, anyone at AA or above is worth selling off to add a Beltran or even a Pena for the stretch run.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Lineup shenanigans...
@dgoold
Derrick Goold
Descalso going into lineup. Theriot was set to start at SS and leadoff, but a deal was apparently reached on reduced suspension. #STLcards
Also, MLB suspensions are still jokes.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Hell, you never know
Maybe Tony liked his performance last night and wants better defense. We can all dream.
reduced suspension?
from two games to… one?
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
He has to take 3 innings off,
help the grounds crew pick up the bases after the game, and write “I will not flip my shit over a reasonable call” 100 times on the back of a 1992 Donruss Scott Brosius rookie card.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it might have been reasonable
but it was still wrong…..just sayin.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 21, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish a deal was reached on an extended suspension
Does that ever happen?
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 21, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Somebody named "Molnia" gets the start
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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ONE GAME
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not clicking that link either.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Sounds like a brand of boxed wine
Hit me up on Google+
by jd is legend on Jul 21, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a Spanish Icewine
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
speaking of Molinas
FESPN did a stuff that comes in threes (they’re sesame street now, didncha know)
and the talking body said they all three had WS rings, so none of them had an advantage over the others.
but oh no, that is WRONG. José has two.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Baseball related fear of the day
Jason Isringhausen will pitch a third straight day against us, and shut us down. Convinced that he is rejuvenated, the Cardinals will trade for him and install him in the bullpen, where he will commence to suck for the rest of the season.
(This relates to my vague permanent fear that we will trade for Bud Norris just so we don’t have to face him anymore.)
he's got to get to 300
because this
is
IZZY
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
at least it could make it more fun to watch cardinals games
/sad
/true
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jul 21, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
that's probably why he's relishing killin' us.
sucks to be from the area and being accosted about your suckage every day. at least Franky can … relax. in Oklahoma, I mean.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember Izzy having that much velocity when he was last with the Cards
Those fastballs last night were humming.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
has anyone else pointed out the irony of Franky being out and Izzy getting saves?
oh I just did.
P-D handily disappeared the feature where Franky talked about Izzy helping him (after he got out) when he took on the closer role.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The most amazing thing Franklin ever did...
… was make me miss Izzy. I didn’t think that was possible. Last night made me miss him more. But I comfort myself with the thought that he is only pitching so well to prove the Cards were wrong about him.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
well, when Izzy was good, he was really good.
it was just really long ago IIRC. and also he’s out of the bullpen, people are notoriously hard on ’penners.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
But the Cards were right about him
he was a dead man walking for about his last 3 seasons.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And he's only really been kinda meh this year
not sure he’d be one of our best 5 right-handed bullpen guys tbh.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure I saw Franky the other day.
Spiro isn’t a very big place.
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
re: your sig
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow. They make those already?
The sex toy industry is quick to respond to market demands.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
uhm.
if you’re looking for THAT link, I’m not posting it on VEB.
in any case, you’re a few years too late. it’s not only been Rule 34’d, it’s been marketed.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That link would be far more genteel than your handegg culture link above.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
you're kidding, right?
I did a little cursory googling and toys of that nature are about seven years in the market. somehow, I don’t think “genteel” is where they’re at right now.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Tony Cruz sex toys have been around for 7 years?
Oh, you’re talking about USB sex toys. Well, it depends on one’s definition of genteel!
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
oh that.
well.
uh, don’t google that either.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Kolten Wong
.346/.421/.531
10BB, 6 SO
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Zach Cox
.270/.340/.403
15BB, 41 K (yucky)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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you're just obsessed...
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Oscar Taveras
.390/.432/.579
12BB, 30 K
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Ideally, yeah
But I can’t really fault a 19 year old hitting fucking .390 for not wanting to take more walks
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
he's 19 and really raw
I can forgive him a lack of walks more than I can a 22-year-old Matt Adams.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much in line with his batting average
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Ah, jes. I've apparently stopped looking at the first part of a slash line.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
Why just post his AA numbers? It's not his full season.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Because that's what I felt like doing?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
True, I was expecting too much.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Never expect much from me
Amateur mistake
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Cox up to a .340 OBP in AA now, wow.
he’s really been raking the last week or so. Every time I check he seems to be 3 for 5 with a walk, or something.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that so many of the Cards affiliates are clustered in leagues
on the left (Fla. St., GCL, NY-PA, Midwest).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised that the Texas league is so average... could just be Hammonds Field that inflates the stats
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
There's a strong geographical tilt to that list moving from the East to the West
Joe Strauss is the greatest journalist since Edward R. Murrow.
Also, I would kiss Rui on the kiss cam.
hammonds is a bit of a bandbox
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
for left-handers, it's ridiculous
I think it has a park factor of 160 or something completely stupid for LH HR inflation.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he wouldnt demand a huge haul right?
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
by punchinjudy on Jul 21, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Goold:
Theriot says he got text this morning offering one day suspension for today. Punto will leadoff.
He got notified by text? That seems…odd…to me, but perhaps I’m just not keeping up with what forms of communication are formal and informal these days.
Also, did someone here send that text, pretending to be the commissioners office, just to get him out of the lineup?
There was a van involved.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
officer, his head was large, perfectly round, and very very pale. and he had a tiny hat.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Punto leading off?
have we figured out if his arm still works (been somewhat absent moving & Bar exam studying the last few days)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
"rian - if u do not play 2nite, no more supsenions, ok?
Sined budd sileg"
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jul 21, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
"ps - Im tha reel budd sieleg, not a 19yo
Verizon wireless clerk who looked up ur number on the store comupter. Peace, budd."
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jul 21, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How do you know Theriot has Verizon?
Interesting.
"Go crazy, folks, go crazy! It's a home run, and the Cardinals have won the game, by the score of 3 to 2, on a home run by the Wizard! Go crazy!" - Jack Buck (my earliest baseball memories)
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by WizardofOz1982 on Jul 21, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If you haven't yet, look up the score to the ManU - Seattle Sounders friendly
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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U or City?
Though ManU was playing Chicago.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
ManU definitely
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
We beat a 80% full strength ManU team last year!
And down a man for half the match!
Undefeated against the EPL all time!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Sorry about Ben Arfa
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Haha you sound like a Cubs fan
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
That's not really very friendly.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Heh.
That’s pretty much the reserve team as well, barring Rooney and one or two others….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't stop staring at that photo.
it’s like art.
which means it should be LOLcat’d already.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He looks like he's wearing one of Ryan Braun's t-shirts.
by Ghostrider520 on Jul 21, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, i thought that was just [redacted]
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jul 21, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised there aren't more complaints about SS defense last night.
Putting to the side that Theriot sucks, Descalso has not and did not look good last night.
Maybe the “error” was a bit harsh (though he was saved by berk on a shitty throw earlier in the game) but it was a play capable of being made by a decent SS. He also should have been able to keep Dickey’s hit in the infield to save a run. Again, not an error, but a play a decent SS should have made.
I don’t want Theriot playing SS, bu I don’t want DD playing there either.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
Yep. Agreed.
I’d rather see Theriot than DD there, but I’d rather see Drew on 1 ankle than either of them.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
id rather have DD than Theriot
DD has ability, I think he’ll be better there after reps.
Grit != flat out sucking.
defensively.
But I still trust Theriot more with the bat.
If Descalso was good defensively, I’d go with him, but he’s not.
Either way, they’re two crappy options.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
I think Descalso's performance at 3B suggests that he has more ability than Theriot now with the glove
so you might be doing him a disservice there. I believe he’s a better hitter than Riot as well but I can quite easily see how one could argue otherwise.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there's no question that if he practices he should be able to be better at short next year than Theriot is this year.
I just am not convinced that he’ll get there this season. I’m not an expert, but he looked a bit of a mess in the two games he saw action there.
Honestly, I feel about the same thing on offense. I think he needs to keep working, as his pitch recognition and general approach aren’t all that refined, but I would hope he can get to where Theriot is by next year (I know there numbers are similar right now, but I still trust Theriot more currently).
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
Re-reading that, I overstated. Yeah, I think Descalso is probably a bit better than Theriot now at short.
But I don’t think it’s enough to out-weigh the difference offensively. Yet.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
The walk he worked in the 9th inning last night from 0-2 was impressive, I thought.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Descalso's not a SS
Willing it won’t make it happen.
There may be hope for him as an every day 2B but I tend to think he’s more of a utility guy. He’s counted on to play SS b/c our, excuse me, Tony’s designated SS sucks.
To me, it’s silly to blame anyone but Tony and Mo for allowing it to happen in the first place.
by chuckb on Jul 21, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that it's stupid to put him out there and TLR and Mo deserve the blame for it.
But DD has looked like crap at SS.
All around it’sbeen a frustrating situation.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Descalso isn't a shortstop
I’d still take him over Theriot, but really Punto should be there every day. I think there’s a reasonable expectation that Descalso might improve at the position with practice but yeah, I don’t really want him there every day and it seems odd now that Punto’s healthy that he’s not the guy at short.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether you put DD at SS and Punto at 2B or
Punto at SS an DD at 2B, doesn’t really matter. If Punto’s arm is giving him trouble, might as well leave him at 2B.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW I don't honestly think either of the plays Descalso didn't make that you allude to Theriot makes more than once out of ten tries.
Certainly the throw that he airballed a bit to Berkman, I don’t see Theriot getting that ball without a dive, or without bobbling it in his glove, and his arm is so weak I’m not sure he makes the throw and gets the runner every time either. I think you’re being a bit harsh about the DIckey one; that would’ve taken an excellent play.
So far I’d say Descalso has made most of the plays I’d expect him to (taking into account that he’s probably a -5 SS at best), and not made any of the ones I wouldn’t.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 21, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say Theriot would likely make them. I said a "decent" SS would make them.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jul 21, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Point taken.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 22, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
the one he airmailed was a bad hop on a smash
he really didn’t have to move any distance, but the reflexes were pretty damned impressive.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 21, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Revised and edited line up.
1. Nick Punto, SS
2. Jon Jay, CF
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Matt Holliday, LF
5. Lance Berkman, RF
6. David Freese, 3B
7. Yadier Molina, C
8. Daniel Descalso, SS
9. Jake Westbrook, P
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
Goold's fault, not mine.
Punto actually at 2B
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
that doesn't make sense unless Punto literally can't throw a ball from SS today.
"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor
I don't think
Punto can throw the ball from the left side at all.
Look at the infield we have — Skip and Theriot are horrible. Neither can play defense for our GB staff. Punto’s our backup utility infielder but can’t throw from anywhere but 2B. Descalso’s a 2B who plays more at SS and 3B since Theriot’s an awful SS. This team’s roster construction is absolutely mind-boggling.
To be fair, Punto could throw from left-field when we signed him.
And Theriot wasn’t near this bad in the past. Look at his historical fangraphs UZR numbers.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
First
To be fair, Punto could throw from left-field when we signed him.
Never said he couldn’t, but that doesn’t mean he can now.
Second, Theriot was -18.1 UZR/150 last year. Previous to that, he was adequate. Suggesting that there was no reason to expect him to be a below average SS this year is ridiculous. Should we have expected him to be the worst in the big leagues? Probably not but from the beginning it was clear he needed to play 2B and not SS, revisionist history notwithstanding.
Right, but you can't blame roster construction when things looked better at the time of signing.
And Theriot had been around average his whole career. That -18.1 UZR/150 was over less than 30 games, and was followed by basically average 2nd base.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
Fairly long Colby interview on FSMW this morning.
If you missed it, Colby
-wishes well for Jay,
-understands why TLR is sitting him
- has tried all different things but doesn’t know what’s wrong,
-is seeing the ball well, but hits just aren’t falling
-sounds pretty freaking depressed.
Has romantic inclinations toward Tony Cruz.
see sig
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m terrified this won’t be the case.
by beer me on Jul 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Keep an eye on Colby today.
Plenty of bridges nearby.
I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
here's a fresh, crunchy, new
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
So any clues to what hell is wrong with the machine? Is his toner cartridge empty?
by beer me on Jul 21, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
re-sproinged something
"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"
So since I've last been to VEB
it seems people are starting to realise that Theriot is just Aaron Miles V 2.0
most of us knew it before now
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 21, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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