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Sizing Up the Competition

Ladies and gentlemen, the Cardinals now have home field advantage in the 2011 World Series.

At least, that's what I got out of the game last night. When the Cards make their triumphant run to their firs title in five years, they'll be able to play the first two games of the championship series at home, in the friendly confines of Busch Stadium.

Hmm. Maybe I should be a bit more circumspect with my choice of words. After all, "friendly confines," does hold some other baseball-related connotations, and most of them have to do with a legacy of failure and heartbreak. And a parasitic plant. So, how about the welcoming environs of Busch Stadium? There we go. Much better.

Seriously, though, the Cards came through without any injuries to their players participating, and that's honestly the only thing I care about. It was cool to see Berkman and Yadi both get hits, but I'm much more interested in seeing them rested and healthy for the stretch run of the season.

An odd thing happened to me the other day. I was just walking along, minding my business (no, this isn't the beginning of the song Orange Coloured Sky, in case you were wondering), and suddenly I had a song stuck in my head. Which is always irritating, but this was made doubly so by the fact it was Taylor Dayne's "I'll Be Your Shelter", which may be one of the worst songs in the history of recorded sounds. And not in a so-bad-it's-ironically-enjoyable way, either. Just awful. And there it was, replaying itself overandoverandover in my head.

What's especially odd is the fact I don't think I've heard that song in probably fifteen years. It didn't come on the radio. It wasn't playing in the grocery store when I went shopping the other day. I honestly haven't thought of Taylor Dayne or her terrible music since my mother got rid of her Eagle Talon in 1995 and a bunch of her cassettes were thrown out by mistake.  Why my brain coughed up that bit of pop history and then decided to run it into the ground for four hours is a mystery.

After the jump we're going to look at the rest of the division, and what we might see from each of the Cardinals' competitors as we head toward crunch time.

Star-divide

The Cardinals open the second "half" of the season with a record of 49-43, tied for first place in the National League Central. Their run differential stands at 433 scored, 407 allowed, good for a Pythagorean record of, well, 49-43. So don't expect any bumps thanks to run scoring evening out for El Birdos.

Starting at the bottom ('cuz that's how I roll, ladies), let's take a quick look at the competition shall we? We'll look at the teams, their capacity to affect the outcome of the division, and what they may be looking to do at the trade deadline.

Houston Astros

Actual Record: 30-62, 6th place in the division 

Pythagorean Record: 35-57

How They Could Affect the Race: The Astros have two possible roles in the division race: spoilers and junkyard. Spoilers because they do still have Bud Norris, which could easily ruin our chances, and junkyard, because the 'Stros are in dire enough straits they should be looking to offload any and everything they can to try and speed up the process of building the core for their next run. Even youngish guys like Hunter Pence should probably be in play, because by the time Houston gets back on track Pence will likely be well into his next contract.

Interesting Trade Pieces: Most of the team outside of Brett Wallace. One name of particular note to me is Michael Bourn, their speedy centerfielder. Sure, the Cardinals don't need a center fielder now, but if they do indeed end up moving Colby Rasmus the package would almost certainly include a prospect or two, and flipping something to Houston to bring in Bourn would then make all the sense in the world. Bourn has been worth close to 5.0 WAR each of the last two seasons, and is on a similar pace again this year.

As Terrifying as: A labradoodle puppy. Even if you're pathologically afraid of dogs (or the mysical power of Houston teams to go on a run in the second half), you have to just laugh a little at something this pathetic. A really, really bad team.

Chicago Cubs

Actual Record: 37-55, 5th place in the division

Pythagorean Record: 38-54

How They Could Affect the Race: At least as much as, and perhaps even moreso than, the Houston Astros, the Chicago Cubs could end up being some team's personal salvage yard. The only problem for the Cubs is the fact most of their pieces they would like to move come with prohibitively stupid contracts attached. (see Soriano, Alfonso)

Aside from parts, though, the Cubs just don't play a role in the division, I don't think. They were predicted as one of the four competitive teams before the season, but this team is just a disaster. They don't even have a new manager to play for this year, and I think they just continue to fade into irrelevance.

Interesting Trade Pieces: As I said, most of the players the Cubs would like to move tend to come with large price tags, making them much less attractive targets for an acquiring team.  Zambrano still has another year at $18 million after this. Soriano has three more years, at $18 million annually. (Seriously, how painful is that?) On the other hand, Kosuke Fukudome could present an intriguing option for the Cards if they were to move, say, Jon Jay for pitching help and didn't want to throw an Adron Chambers right into the fire. Fukudome has lost a step, but he's still a remarkably patient hitter and can play all three outfield positions at least tolerably.

Aramis Ramirez is the other big name the Cubs will be looking to move, but the Cards don't really have a spot for him. If Freese were to go down with yet another injury, though, I could see them trying to make a play to bring in Ramirez and his veteran, er, something.

As Terrifying As: A labradoodle puppy with a broken leg. You don't laugh at it the way you do Houston, because this puppy is just too sad.

Cincinnati Reds

Actual Record: 45-47, 4th place in the division (4.0 GB)

Pythagorean Record: 49-43

How They Could Affect the Division: Would it be wrong of me to say, in the words of the immortal Dennis Green, that the Cincinnati Reds are who we thought they were? All last season there was talk of them playing over their heads, outperforming their talent level, and this year they've crashed to earth quite magnificently.

Actually, that's not entirely true, as their run differential shows they're clearly a better team than their record, which is the biggest reason for the shift in fortunes from 2010 to 2011. This is a pretty good team, though I think clearly the third-best in the division. Still, I'm certainly not sleeping on the Reds. The offense has been good again, but the pitching has been pretty bad.

Potential Trade Targets: Pitching, pitching, and more pitching. If the Reds are going to make a move down the stretch you would have to expect it will be an attempt to shore up one of the weaker pitching staffs we've seen this year. Injuries and ineffectiveness have both been to blame for their slide.

The bullpen is pretty solid, so you would have to think the Reds will focus on possibly adding a starter. Whatever the target may be, we know Walt Jocketty is always one of the most aggressive GMs at the trade deadline, so I fully expect them to try and make some sort of deal before the 31st of August.

As Terrifying As: A labradoodle puppy with one hand behind its back. Oh, sure, it looks cute enough, but what's it got behind its back? Maybe it's a squeak toy, maybe it's a gun. Maybe it's a severed head. You just don't know what this puppy is going to do yet, and it makes you nervous.

Pittsburgh Pirates

Actual Record: 47-43, 3rd place in the division (1.0 GB)

Pythagorean Record: 46-44

How They Could Affect the Race: I see the Pirates as much more of a potential spoiler than I do a legitimate contender. I like their pitching staff, but even so those guys are due for some regression, and Pittsburgh simply doesn't have the offensive firepower to make up for the rotation coming down. On the other hand, the Pirates are also a very young team, and I'm always afraid of young teams. Just too unpredictable when you have to play them. Oh, and speaking of playing the, the Cards will see Pittsburgh thirteen more times this season.

Charlie Morton and Paul Maholm I both think are real talents, but Jeff Karstens is not this good, and while Kevin Correia keeps his area clean, the drapes don't match the rug, if you get my drift.  Both are due for a downturn, I think.

Possible Trade Targets: If I'm the Pirates, I have to make a move this season to bring in some help, not only to take a shot at a very winnable division, but for the fan base as well. This is a fan base which has suffered for a very long time, and I think it would mean an awful lot to Pittsburgh baseball to actually be a buyer at the deadline this year.

That said, if the Pirates do try to make a move, it would almost certainly be for offense. This team simply lacks punch all over the field, and they need to improve on it. The team has only one superstar in Andrew McCutchen  to go along with a bunch of solid role-players, half of whom are hurt at the moment. Acquiring a bat at the deadline would certainly send a message to the fans about where Pittsburgh is headed.

As Terrifying As: A labradoodle puppy with a pistol in its mouth. Hey, I don't know if it's loaded, or if the dog knows how to shoot it, but hey, that thing has a gun, and I'm not sticking around to figure it out.

Milwaukee Brewers

Actual Record: 49-43, tied for first in the division

Pythagorean Record: 46-46

How They Could Affect the Division: See, now if you had told me before I started writing this that the Brewers' Pythagorean record would be .500 even, I likely wouldn't have believed you. The Brew Crew certainly feels much better this year, but feeling can be all kinds of misleading, I know.

Even so, I think the Brewers are the best team in the division, though it isn't a huge gap by any means. Their rotation is a major strength, the offense isn't quite as stout as it's been in year past but still strong, and they've caught the ball pretty well in the games I've seen them play.

Possible Trade Targets: Well, given that Milwaukee made a move last night to shore up their biggest weakness, the bullpen, I think we have a pretty good idea already as to how they might take on improving this team.  The relief corps overall still isn't great, but they should have the 8th and 9th innings on lockdown now between John Axford and K-Rod. Aside from that, the Brewers might look to upgrade shortstop, where Yuniesky Betancourt is proving for them why he's never held down a starting gig for a good team before.

As Terrifying As: A full-grown labradoodle with a machine gun in its chest and machetes in place of all its limbs. It may not have long to live, due to the constant elective surgeries, but you do not want to piss it off.

Looking over the division, I think the Brewers are the only real threat for the Cardinals. The rest of the division is simply too flawed in one way or another to be legitimate contenders. The Cards will play over a third of their remaining games against the Brewers and Pirates, I believe, which could be a problem for the Cards. It could also be a chance to make some real hay, but as maddeningly inconsistent as this this team has been I expect to see them lose approximately half their games, but all in a particularly frustrating way.

I'm picking the Brewrs to win the division, much as it pains me to do it. That rotation is just too good, I think, particularly considering our own recent run of issues with starters.

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JAIME GARCIA

Here, let’s behold:
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would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh damn i closed the tab

you might want to blockquote the text before someone without twitter access complains

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The deal:
4 years for $27.5MM

If this is correct, I like it a lot, especially with club options involved for the fifth and maybe sixth years. This is a great contract.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's good...

kind of the standard. Cahill, Cueto, and Buchholz all got something similar.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 13, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hotme is probably better than

Cueto and Buttholz though.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

hehe

buttholz!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's like a left handed Trever Cahill

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trevor Cahill doesn't look hot to me ...

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

handed-ness

also determines hotness

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

ohhhh

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

shouldn't we ask one of the current experts

in left-handers for their thoughts? Oh yeah, they were up half the night burning the left-handers and can’t comment yet.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the way male minds work...

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Jul 13, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

what if you're ambidextrous

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Edmonds is ambidextrous, right?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Edmonds

likes both men and women? Wow, that’s news to me.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't judge

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not judging

More power to Jimmy Ball game.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone post the Edmonds/Paquette pic

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 13, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur

As a soft-tossing lefty with a marginal curveball (ineffectively wild), I could have made a career pitching against the Cardinals.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to say that I'm thrilled to be paying Garcia

on par with Cueto, Cahill, and Buchholz. These types of contracts demonstrate the importance of developing young pitching within the Cardinals system, especially with the performance of $8.5MM man Jake Westbrook.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing.

Now we know it’s strong and repaired.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 13, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's the 6.88 million dollar/yr man

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

2012 Pitcher Salaries:
Carpenter: $15MM (if option exercised)
Lohse: $12.18MM
Wainwright: $9MM
Westbrook: $8.5MM
Garcia: $6.88MM

Source: Cot’s

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet the work a deal with Carp

for an extra year and spread it out a bit. But I’ve been wrong a lot.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Miller really is ready at the start of 2012

I don’t see why they would keep Carp around for what is almost surely a 10M+ number. That is unless they want to pay a pitcher 8.5M to be a middle reliever.

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think Carp is gonna be able to be

a starter for 2 more years?

While I’ll admit it’s a bit of a gamble, I think he’d be easily worth 16-18 million over a 2 year deal, even with some regression.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's definitely worth the a 2/18 contract to some team

But I don’t know if he’s worth that to the Cardinals. Unless you are willing to admit Westbrook is a sunk cost, I see almost no value in moving Westbrook to the bullpen where he would be the sixth or seventh best option.

And yes I am assuming Waino is back because I don’t want to live in a world where he’s not the opening day starter next year.

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 13, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing Devil's advocate here

Say Waino has a setback and you’ve let Carp walk. You start the season with:

1. Garcia
2.Lohse
3.Westy
4.Miller
5.Kmac?

You’d damn well better hope they’ve shored up the MIF, cuz we’re going to need it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I definitely understand the concern.

And I’m definitely worried about who the 6th starter would be next year either way. If Lynn and KMac are going to be permanent bullpen members, then where does that leave us if someone goes down.

But shouldn’t we know kinda where Waino is in November. Obviously if it looks that he’s going to be out for a while, then it wouldn’t be ridiculous to look at another rotation member, but I think Carp is too expensive. At some point next year, with Carp, the rotation would include Wainwright (1), Garcia (2), Carpenter (3), Lohse (4), Miller (5). And the right side of the bullpen should have Salas(6), Sanchez (7), Boggs (8), Motte (9), Westbrook (10), KMac (11), and a LOOGY (12).

I guess that would leave Lynn as the 6th starter down in Memphis. If Waino is out at the beginning of the year, I’d suggest keeping KMac or Lynn stretched out until he can return. I guess that leaves us exposed if someone goes down after the hypothetical return of Wainwright, but I think the Cardinals would be much better off reinvesting the money from Carp in the Pujols contract or a MIF’er with Lynn in the bullpen.

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 13, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't see the problem with retaining Carp

I’d like Miller to have at least two months next year at Memphis, and with a rotation including Lohse, Waino (back from TJ), and 57-year-old Jake Westbrook, do we REALLY not think there’s not 20-odd extra starts to go around somewhere?

I retain the right to change that view if there’s a good-quality shortstop available somewhere that we can add for Carp’s salary that it’s a good idea to do so….

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

if Westy recovers to some extent, we can always trade him and eat a couple of mill of the salary.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Besides, we’ve got Lohse and Westbrook coming off the books after next year and having Carp around to fill a spot won’t be terrible unless he falls off a cliff. At his age, he’s looking at more of a series of 1 year deals than a real contract. Although, he’s still a good pitcher and could wrangle something. I don’t think he’d turn down two years of guaranteed money.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

mutual

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 million buyout, I believe.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

do it, Mo!

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also signing Carpenter to a 2/18 would mean investing

$60 million dollars in six starters in an off season where we ideally would sign Pujols or, if not Pujols, Reyes.

by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jul 13, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're assuming that Waino is back.

I will not assume that until I see him actually in a Cardinal uni starting opening day.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know Robth, it really will be.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I, for one, would like to thank Robth

for taking this meme to its logical conclusion.

"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby

by The Continental on Jul 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's a true inspiration

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

three cheers!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Jul 13, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know...

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 13, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine

Jaime’s contract will have a somewhat escalating salary so the 2012 number would likely be less than the average 6.88, no?

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 13, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's good.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good. That UCL is solid now

Plus the rehab to strengthen is above and beyond what an uninjured pitcher does to stabilize elbow

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/9/11)
75 2/3 IP, 90 K, 34 BB/HBP, 30 ER, 5 HR, 3.02 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 13, 2011 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's actually a little lower in total cost

Then bucholz and cahill

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/9/11)
75 2/3 IP, 90 K, 34 BB/HBP, 30 ER, 5 HR, 3.02 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 13, 2011 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Than

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/9/11)
75 2/3 IP, 90 K, 34 BB/HBP, 30 ER, 5 HR, 3.02 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 13, 2011 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this always happens to rb

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha that was my first thought as well

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, some who-what-where-when might be helpful.
jaime garcia & cardinals complete multiyear deal. announcement could come today. word is, $27.5mil for 4 yrs, plus 2 options

link

Also, The Continental was first.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that sounds like massively great news

think we need a front-page post on this!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

this post is now approved by environmentalists everywhere.

Officer Olson: What'd this guy look like, anyway?
Mr. Mohra: Oh, he was a little guy... Kinda funny lookin'.
Officer Olson: Uh-huh. In what way?
Mr. Mohra: Oh, just in a general kinda way.

by threadkiller on Jul 13, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

on-topic

breakin’ the midnight “rule”

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Those aren't cats.

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jul 13, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

previously on VEB

sorry, damnation, I cannot seem to consolidate today.

Futures Game LiveChat
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Let me know if I missed any.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

as far as we know.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

or all of them created by Cody

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 13, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

labradoodle puppies may not be terrifying

but they can still piss on your leg

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 66

by d-dee on Jul 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm betting they prefer to hump it than pee on it.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jul 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Home field will be most useful...

we should thank all the NLers who contributed to the win, not least the winning pitcher – Tyler Clippard. 19 pitchers appeared in the game, 18 successfully retired at least one batter, Tyler Clippard was the one that did not, still, he was the winning pitcher and as anyone can tell you, it’s winning that counts.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 13, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

According to the box score, he threw one-third of an inning.

Is that incorrect?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

He gave up a line drive single...

and Pence threw out Bautista at home.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 13, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

My memory was foggy after the marathon game.

His 0.1 IP only registered because of an outfield assist. Incredible.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clippard's appearance
Adrian Beltre singles on a line drive to left fielder Hunter Pence. Jose Bautista out at home on the throw, left fielder Hunter Pence to catcher Brian McCann.

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jul 13, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some would say he resembled

b******

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jul 13, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

And yet, some writers still believe the win is a useful way of analyzing pitching performance

Clippard gives up a pissrod and is bailed out by a strong throw by Pence and the fact that Bautista was running for some mysterious reason.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 13, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

on the replay, you could see clearly that Pence had the ball in his glove before Bautista got to third. 3B coach should have held him up but I’m glad he didn’t.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 13, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may be an off day

But it’s still a JAIME DAY

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 13, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

This is just kind of funny

Pictures of various MLB stars in high school.

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by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

in high school tim lincecum looked like the kid from dazed and confused.

and pujols looked like a machine.

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 13, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that picture is the kid from dazed & confused...

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit! i didn't read the caption.

i couldn’t believe the resemblance!

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by IHeartBoog on Jul 13, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I do the Ranier Wolfcastle joke thingy?

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks like it was taken in the '50s

who does black and white yearbook photos?

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Jul 13, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert Muthafucking

Pujols does. Bitch.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pssshhh

You kids, these days. My senior year, we still used daguerreotypes. (92)

Stupid UCL's.

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jul 13, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

pssshhh

My senior year (88), we had to have busts chiseled out of stone. everybody had to 4 oxen just to drag the damn yearbooks around.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

1788 was a good year.

I remember back when the Constitution was first ratified. Heady days indeed…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

bah

whippersnappers. Back in 1066 i was barely graduated when that William bastard invaded…

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

he still looks 30 in this photo

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the Brewers acquired K-Rod

For 2 players to be named later? Sounds like a pretty good deal.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

And $5MM going from the Mets to Brewers.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

and ptbnl

so for this year, he is free
and <21 saves no vesting option
seems smart to me

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jul 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on the players

but this deal should set the market for Bell.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 13, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno

 the scarcity of available relievers probably sets the market.

by _pistol_ on Jul 13, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, there is no scarcity, which explains why k-rod was

Only worth 2 PTBNL. That and his monster contract.seriously, though, there’s a ton of relievers, some of them good, available.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 13, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The contract is the big thing

And the Brewers will get around it by not closing him.

by mojowo11 on Jul 13, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at the Brewers' farm system. . .

unless Jake Orodizzi is one of the players, I’m not sure it matters that much. Their farm system is as bad as the Cards’ was in the Jimmy-Journell-is-our-top-prospect days.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Odorizzi is with the Royals now...

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops.

Then it really doesn’t matter. All the Brewers have are C-level prospects.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Odorizzi can't be the PTBNL

He was part of the Greinke trade.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 13, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think Bell and K-Rod

have much at all to do with each other.

by rlgosnell on Jul 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to see who the players are...

They’re probably not going to be complete scrubs.

It would be kind of amusing if Axford goes down with an injury and Rodriguez has to close games, causing his option to vest. I would think that would force them to trade at least one of Greinke/Hart/Marcum.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 13, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It will make the Brewers tough this year, and possibly next.

but these guys seem to have completely mortgaged their future…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

they had no future beyond 2012

it’s a good move; if you’re going all-in, do it properly. They knew that they’d be 3-4 years in the wilderness after that in any case.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The mets win this deal by a mile

They escape the 18 million dollar elephant that is krod’s option if he finishes 21 more games. The brewers have to pray axford doesn’t get hurt or start getting bombed cause they cannot afford to have that option trigger.

by lopey986 on Jul 13, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They haven't really got many players of any note who could be named later

their farm system is more or less totally bereft, so I think it’s a good trade. I guess the Mets were just looking to salary dump and no other team in baseball was interested, and the Brewers were only keen on acquring him for $0. I’m surprised that the Mets basically had to eat ALL his salary, though.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can a player to be named later be a recent draftee?

I seem to recall reading that can be a way to get around limitations on trade-eligibility.

I also have no idea what the Brewer’s draft class was like, so that might not matter in the slightest.

by Robth on Jul 13, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs

is doing their top 10 prospect lists. In their NL Central list, they give the Cardinals’ top 10 prospects as:

1. Shelby Miller, RHP
2. Zack Cox, 3B
3. Joe Kelly, RHP
4. Carlos Martinez, RHP
5. Tyrell Jenkins, RHP
6. Seth Blair,, RHP
7. Lance Lynn, RHP
8. Eduardo Sanchez, RHP
9. Oscar Taveras, OF
10. Jordan Swagerty, RHP

The complete post, with short explanation, is here.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Is it true cox is looking more like a 2b than 3b at the major league level?

by beer me on Jul 13, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, hit hitting this year kind of looks second-baseman esque

Dependent on BA, not much walking or power yet. So, Skip Schumaker.
I haven’t heard much about his defense.

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by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cox has shown that he needs an adjustment period each time he jumps to a new level. First, the average shows up, then the power. The past few weeks he’s started raking and his power has shown up.

by Forsch31 on Jul 13, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could just be random statistical happenstance as well

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Power?

He had a .104 ISO with 3 homers in 184 plate appearances in High A and now has a .094 ISO with 2 homers. He has shown almost no power to date.

On the “bright” side, his walk rate has “jumped” to 7.6%. Man, I’m really down on him as a prospect.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 13, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, all of his home runs showed up in his last week at High-A, along with most of his ISO. He was basically just a high-average guy, then eh started hitting for some more power for about a week or two and he got moved up to AA.

He racked up a few hits right away at AA, then dropped into the .200 range. This past week he has started getting hits again (average is around .250 now) and the past few games he has a little bit of power.

This could all be wrong because I didn’t look it up. But from what I remember, what Forsch said is right.

by Swordslasher on Jul 13, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

His average has raised about 20 points in the last couple of weeks. Also, the power is mid-range. Always has been.

by Forsch31 on Jul 13, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure .104 ISO is below mid-range.

So he still hasn’t shown average power.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 13, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that's seven shades of fucking stupid

I don’t care what the rationale is, any list that had Joe Kelly ahead of Carlos Martinez (except for possibly “the list of pitchers most likely to have a career a bit like Jess Todd”) even last year just isn’t very smart.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's harsh

Martinez hadn’t even thrown a pitch on US soil at that point. For him to even be on the radar on all of these lists shows how electric his stuff was.

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT, but VEB-related.

I’ve had Michelle Branch’s Goodbye To You stuck in my head since I woke up and I know this is the fault of two of you here.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jul 13, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Right.

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jul 13, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

GOODBYE TO EVERYTHING THAT I KNEW

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was I the only one who noticed that ratio on her right wrist that said "right"?

To tell her hands apart I assume

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 13, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i claim innocence!

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are people not scared of a fucking 20-30' dog?

This is not natural people.

This club is seriously lacking in grit, a trade for Aaron Miles is indeed needed.
I <3 Miles

by azruavatar on Jul 13, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

take it back!

clifford is the best!

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd!

You got me with “severed head.”

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Jul 13, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Awww, it's a labradood-

What? Oh dear god, what is that thing? EVERYONE RUN.

"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby

by The Continental on Jul 13, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I looked over the NL C pythags a bit ago.

Was surprised to see that the Reds and Brewers would switch places based on pythag.

Also, I heard Marty Brennaman on the radio decrying the Reds’ lack of offense (most runs scored in the NL). Sharp cookie, that Marty.

"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby

by The Continental on Jul 13, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I dunno how sold I am on Pythags, tbh

not sure they model terribly closely to actual results most years. I’d say it’s more of a curio than a real useful piece of analysis.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

memphisredbirds:
Good luck to Andrew Brown today representing the ’Birds for the Pacific Coast League in the Minor League Baseball Triple-A All-Star Game!

He’s the only Redbird to go?

"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby

by The Continental on Jul 13, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

he's the only redbird not in st. louis?

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 13, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i thought we shut that facility down

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 66

by d-dee on Jul 13, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And buried it under 30 feet of concrete

"I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me." -Hunter S. Thompson

by cardinalswsbound on Jul 13, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What each contending team should do

Milwaukee: They traded for the wrong Met. Yes, they could use some shoring up of the bullpen, but depending upon the cost in prospect treasure, I’d much rather the Brewers use their bullets on a guy who might pitch 30 innings the rest of the way than on, say, Jose Reyes. From a DefEff perspective, the Brewers are actually worse than the Cardinals, turning only 68.7% of balls in play into outs (the Cardinals are at 69.4% – only the Cubs and Stros are worse at defense in the NL). Yuniesky Betancourt is flat out awful, and a Reyes would be a huge upgrade. Heck, Jason Bartlett would be a huge upgrade. Actually, THE RIOT IS A BETTER FIELDER THAN BETANCOURT (at least according to FanGraphs). Oh, BTW, this defensive wizard is hitting 237/255/342.

Cincinnati: Pitching, pitching, pitching. I’d have the Dodgers and the Commish on the phone right freaking now if I’m Walt. What does Kuroda cost? How about Ted Lilly? (NOTE: Lilly and Kuroda both have full NTCs.) Erik Bedard from the Ms? A’s starting pitchers?

Pittsburgh: I think these guys are pretenders, but just like that college basketball team that you let hang around for a half, if they start to believe they can contend, they can be dangerous. Carlos Beltran would be a nice addition to their lineup, no? And if the Mets are in full fire sale mode, he’s likely relatively cheap, particularly if the newly popular and selling-out-PNC Buccos have some found money that they want to spend and can eat his contract.

St. Louis: Bring up Shelby Miller. Right now. Granted, whether that’s smart depends upon an analysis of whether and to what extent that stunts his development. If his stuff is good enough, and the stuff between his ears is good enough, there is no need to waste those innings in the minors. And of course there is the ghost of Rick Ankiel (the pitching version) hanging around, so I’d say this is a pretty unlikely scenario. Failing that, I’d see what it would cost to bring in Kuroda.

Cincinnati:

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Beltran going to Pittsburgh would set that town on fire.

It would be great to watch.

Seeing PNC finally get some attendance is terrific. I wondered if there would be enough interest left in Pittsburgh for baseball after such a long drought. They’ve shown they still love the game. They just needed a reason to bother to show up.

"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby

by The Continental on Jul 13, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I reserve the right to take this back in a couple of years when Taillon and Allie are kicking our butts, but they’re probably the one team in the NL I really want to see have some success. They’ve waited long enough for it and there’s the basis of a really good franchise there.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Pirates might make a move for Carlos Pena

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jul 13, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bringing up Miller is a bad idea

The rotation is still ‘could be better’ rather than ‘FULL ON PANIC’ mode.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Cards are 11th out of 16 NL teams

in runs given up per game. Their ERA+ is 14 out of 16. That might not be ‘full on panic’ mode, but it’s a lot closer to that than it is to ‘could be better’.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

They also have a FIP that is lower than their ERA,

which is probably at least partially due to poor defense.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our bullpen is better now too

Right? Please tell me this is true by the numbers and not just an assumption, folks.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the right side, I'd say it is without question.

Replacing Batista and Franklin with mediocre arms would improve it. Lynn has pitched very well since being called up. Once Sanchez returns, we’ll be in very good shape.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Phew

Just making sure I didn’t imagine all that.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Righty Relievers

Pitcher, K/9, BB/9, ERA, FIP, xFIP

Salas: 9.00, 2.25, 2.25, 2.73, 3.36
Motte: 8.92, 2.55, 2.55, 2.53, 3.36
Lynn: 9.70, 1.69, 3.80, 2.72, 2.55
Boggs: 8.91, 2.70, 2.97, 2.84, 3.07
Sanchez: 10.36, 5.02, 1.88, 3.10, 4.03

That’s quite the relief corps, especially if Sanchez can manage to cut his walks down.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those FIP numbers are shiny

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

these MFs know how to strike a dude out

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twitter

Josh Thompson tweeted last night:

Eduardo Sanchez with 2 scoreless frames, 2 K, 1 H, 1 BB. His velocity was good, more importantly he was hitting his spots. Very encouraging.

LINK

Kary Booher tweeted last week:

Sanchez works a 1-2-3 seventh: Flyout, lineout to left, and a 1-3; stadium radar gun showed readings of 97 mph and a 99 mph

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweet, thanks!

i think 97-99 is a bit Aroldis Chapmanish

by rlgosnell on Jul 13, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Springfield's gun is jacked

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if it is,

Sanchez’s fastball averaged 93.5 for St. Louis. So a jacked 97-99 is probably about right.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

...Well yeah. That was my point

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

problem with the FIP

is the defense isnt getting any better…

by rlgosnell on Jul 13, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i still think its not worth bringing up Miller

this team can compete pretty well without him, its probably not worth hurting his development.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you squeeze him and/or flick him?

I’ve seen elderly ladies do this at the grocery store to fruit and I’m certain it enables them to pick out riper fruit than I do.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the veins on a cantalope are too close together, produce mongers call it a Todd Van Popple

if they’re too fat apart, it’s called an Anthony Reyes.

But if they’re just right it’s called a – you guessed it – Shelby Miller.

True story.

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by Alxfritz on Jul 13, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, that's the question. . .

would it hurt his development?

If not, bring him up, arby clock be damned.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

would you like to schedule his tommy john surgery now?

Or wait?

You can’t throw a young prospect into a starting role with the big league innings expectation. Last year he was at quad cities.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 13, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pitchers have Tommy John surgery. . .

they just do.

It likely has more to do with workload, mechanics and the pitcher’s physical characteristics than it does whether the pitcher pitches in St. Louis or Palm Beach or Springfield.

I’d be open to staring him in the pen and getting him a few spot starts here or there to limit his innings.

The spectre of TJ makes me want that unknown number of innings /pitches before it becomes necessary to be thrown helping out the major league club rather than striking out Texas Leaguers. Heck, if given the choice between 40 IP in MLB vs another 60 in AA, I’ll choose the 40 IP in MLB.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hasn't KMac alrady had Tommy John?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I'm stupid.

Miller…..

Why can’t we throw him in the 5th starter role for the rest of the year? He’d make, what, about 12 more starts? At 6ip per ,that’s only 72 innings.

Our new bullpen can shoulder the extra load with all the big, innings-eating right handed arms out there. Lynn, Boggs, Dickson can all throw 2 innings. Plus that would be adding KMac back into the ’pen which would replace Dickson and give us 3 GOOD releivers that can throw 2 innings plus.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not convinced he goes 6IP in the majors every start

probably more like 4-5. The biggest concern about him in the minors thus far, other than a so-so changeup, is that he’s been somewhat inefficient at times (despite not walking many). Pretty sure against major league hitters he’s going to struggle to consistently break 5IP, especially as he’d be on a very strict pitch count.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

McClellan has struggled to break 5 or 6 ip for the last few starts anyway.

If Miller has 60 IP left in him this year, I vote to put him with the big squad.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're inducing grounders and limiting liners

At rates consistent with years past (3rd and 9th). 5th in fewest walks. Yet they are in the bottom half of BABIP for the first time in years, at 18th.

by Merry CRasmus on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not true

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay

let me rephrase

if he makes the team better, it doesn’t matter if it’s a panic move because it’s the right move

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not necessarily true, either

Gotta balance current cost/benefit with future cost/benefit

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

if his arm is currently big league ready

and his presence on the roster makes the team better, he should be on the team. his arm very well may not be attached in 4 years. no point in wasting big league quality innings on AA hitters

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm talking about his arm being ready to contribute in the st louis rotation

if he’s not ready for that, then don’t bring him up. if he is ready for that, he needs to be doing it

i’ve got no desire to bring him up and put him in the bullpen

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah then we're on the same side

My b

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you think his arm is ready for the rotation?

i think he’s definitely got the stuff to pitch in st louis, but i don’t know if he has that many innings in his arm at this point or not. maybe next year

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen nearly enough of him to make to make that call

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's a big enough upgrade over KMac or Westy for it to be worthwhile

I figure he’s a touch better than either, but likely doesn’t throw as many innings from here on out.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

...How?

In the bullpen, you can get by with one or two pitches. As a starter, you need 3 or 4 or 5 decent pitches

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fifty six.

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

JAIME

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by purple_haze on Jul 13, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, okay

Not gonna argue semantics

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I might agree with you on. . .

what it takes from a repertoire perspective to make it as a major league reliever vs. a major league starter.

“Arm”,however, connotes injury risk, particularly when you are responding to someone who was discussing injury risk.

/shrugs

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Brewers literally don't have the prospects to trade for Reyes

I don’t think their entire system (such as it is now) would get that deal done.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

Great minds think alike, F_M. I was just about to post this very thing in reply to myself.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to do a six million dollar man photoshop

For the brewers new 16 million dollar setup man

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jul 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

we need one for our brand new 6.88mil/yr man

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

that'll do.

So matty’s would be almost two and a half times that? that’s a pile of green.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

matty has a blue ox to gather it up

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

GO COUNT YOUR MONEY, JAIME!!!!

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by RiverRat on Jul 13, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn school

i wanted to be the first to make that joke

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

LURK MOAR

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Jul 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

says the guy with the tophat and monocle

riding his all chrome Harley.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 13, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may have my empty house rented.

Sooooo excited. Extra money for a new top hat.

Made from the fur of 1000 baby beavers.

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by RiverRat on Jul 13, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it takes 1000 baby beavers to make your tophat

then you have a noggin that even Lego would envy.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's gonna be so tall,

Abe Lincoln will be envious from his grave.

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by RiverRat on Jul 13, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will it look like

this

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look for a cardinal deal soon

The Brewers trade for rod will dictate that

by ridgesee on Jul 13, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Kinda what I'm thinking

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by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's properly

Zimmermann of the Zimmermen(n), I believe.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colby for James Shields?

with other parts

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope. Matt Moore.

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I nominate Aaron harang

I say let’s go cheap and ugly.

by ridgesee on Jul 13, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rui's mom

yeah, I said it.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 13, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

i doubt it

i don’t think mo is the type to start shitting his pants and make a move as a reaction

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

and come on, they traded for half a season of a reliever

it’s not like they just added jose reyes

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

The Brewers acquiring K-Rod is no reason for the Cardinals to rush out and make a move. He’s a right-handed reliever, not a top-notch position player or starter.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

which is when the lulz ensue

i’m not sure what your point is, though. they won’t be the contenders they are now next season. especially if his option vests

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

no point other than K-rod might be a brewer next year

and then we can point and laugh at his 13+ million, or whatever it is.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 13, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

17 million

seven. teen.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

point five

ahahahaha

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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

so more than what we are paying Holliday

hehehe.

Pick it up Brewers. Well worth it. (All that has to happen is he his that saves goal?)

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 13, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finishes games.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Jul 13, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB... I'll BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE your SHELTA!

now that damned “song” is in my head… thanks alot.

Na na nanana

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually had to google that song

because I couldn’t remember it. That’s how long it’s been since I thought about Taylor Dayne.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

i forgot Taylor Dayne and the song

but when I saw the title of the song, I knew. Like it was some sort of ninja assassin sitting in the dark shadows of my psyche, waiting to ruin my day.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

/sad trombone for Sheckie

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

you mean...

THIS sad trombone?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

that one will do nicely

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had to look it up too

because I have never heard of Taylor Dayne or heard any songs of hers, so far as I can tell. This particular one didn’t ring a bell. So I can’t get it stuck in my head!
But I did get “It’s Tricky” by Run DMC stuck in my head earlier, which is awesome. So now I’m listening to it on YouTube.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa, weird

Never seen that before. Penn had hair like Egon from the Ghostbusters cartoon.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

1980's...

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jul 13, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

mercifully, I can't remember this one.

Unfortunately, I do have “don’t rush me” stuck in my head, since that’s the only thing taylor dayne cues up for me.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on Jul 13, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This leads me to...

Rush Rush

Make. It. Stop.

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jul 13, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB, rec'd for the Eagle Talon reference.

I like history.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

So, in this half-season the Cardinals/Reds relationship has reversed itself

Last year we suffered through underperforming our Pythag and the feeling that we “should” have the same record as the Reds. This year (over an approximate half-season) it is the other way around. Weird. Will the Reds see a positive regression that we never saw?

The Brewers’ .500 pythag is weird too. I don’t recall how “predictive” a pythagorean record is at any given moment, let alone the question of whether it can ever be considered such. But this gives me hope that the Brewers have somehow been lucky while we have been unlucky (mostly injuries, conspicuously non-Pujolsian Albert, etc.). I still like our chances to win the division.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Starting pitcher

Even if we win the division, we will need another starting pitcher who is a 2 or 3 to compete in the playoffs….unless we can bring Reyes back for one game.

Older than any three of you.

by Remember Kenny B on Jul 13, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Waino.

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 13, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you like my deal?

You should like my deal.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

can't you pick a hotme-ier picture?

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jaime is all business, when talking about business.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he looks like a deer in the headlights there

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am pleased with my deal

You should also be pleased with my deal

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

i need a towel

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i prefer the clean-shaven hotme

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 13, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

he looks like a convict

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

no. his eyes are piercing into your soul.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT:

Not trying to threadjack but it is semi-relatable in regards to songs stuck in your head.
I think the band Rush is pretty lame.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Jul 13, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

can.not.agree

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now don't get me wrong

its not like I change the channel when they come on it’s just I don’t understand the appeal.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Jul 13, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I change the channel

as quick as possible

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 13, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

you would

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must be thinking of the song "Rush Rush" that TBender mentioned above.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

is actually what made me think of this.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Jul 13, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But for me it comes down to Getty Lees voice.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Jul 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

bingo

I think they’re a great band, but I only take so much of his singing. btw it’s “Geddy”. His voice has actually gotten better (well, at least less high) over the years.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Jul 13, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getty Lee's

voice is just too weird for me.

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Jul 13, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chitown is going to hunt you down when he sees this.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jul 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

some of their songs are great, but I agree the rest is meh

I like Limelight (great feedback guitar solo), Fly By Night (despite Geddy sounding like he’s 9), Closer to The Heart (a cool pop song). I’m not a fan of stuff like “Tom Sawyer”, “Subdivisions”, etc. Of course, they have a ton of other material, most of which I;m not familiar with, but still overall, I agree w/ the “meh” rating.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Jul 13, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

But "Roll the bones"!

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Jul 13, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Rush a lot but I'm not an expert or anything

I can totally sympathize with people who dislike Geddy Lee’s voice. As I’ve said on VEB before, I dislike several artists for similar reasons. I can’t stand the singer for Green Day, for example.
Though, I think at the very lest, Geddy Lee’s voice is perfect for the 2112 stuff. Something about that screeching voice singing about a dystopian future ruled by weird fanatics just seems appropriate, to me.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about the 2112 thing

it just works, despite the screechy-ness.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Jul 13, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. And I believe it's more screechy than most of their stuff. So there's that.

I meant to say “least”, not “lest” by the way.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rush can credibly be accused of being both screechy and preachy.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just got chills thinking about a rotation

Of wainwright miller Garcia martinez and Lynn…

by beer me on Jul 13, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Matt Moore

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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will never be a sucessful big league pitcher

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

20 career WAR

minimum

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

/arbitary

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Major Leaguer

with a wife and kids. And a paycheck. And a smile.

by hangingfromatree on Jul 13, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

wat

"not everything is about you, Rains" -Fritz

by tehzachatak on Jul 13, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take a deep breath...

Wainwright and Martinez will never be on the same team…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 13, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Debbie downers…

by beer me on Jul 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

wat

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 13, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but

I’d be a huge fan of wiping away AW’s last two option years and trying to structure a 4 year deal for him. I wonder if he’d take something like 4/50?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a downside to that deal

for the Cardinals? It seems to be market value or a tick below, WW’s not too old yet, and he’s been very durable with the exception of this Tommy John surgery.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't it true anyway that most pitchers come back from tommy john STRONGER?

jaime garcia went from a B-level prospect to a middle to top of the rotation guy!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's exactly my point.

He’s not going to need TJ again, and he should be AT LEAST as strong as he was prior to the surgery.

My only worry is some tickle in my brain about how TJ surgery had some correlation to future shoulder problems, but that could be my imagination.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depending on the source. . .

the failure rate for TJ surgery is still anywhere from 7% to 15%. Given that failure probably means that he is never a productive pitcher again, that’s a pretty large risk.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be willing to wager that it is 7% or less in major league pitchers

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 13, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure...

there’s a downside. He’s signed to a 2/21 right now, so you’re just talking about giving him an extension of 2/29 for 2014—15 when he’s 32-33 years old. Utterly no reason to do that. Neither party is remotely interested in an extension while he’s hurt – Waino thinks he can come back and earn more, the Cards want him to come back to prove he can be effective.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 13, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought his options were no good

if he finished the year on the DL.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

they don't vest automatically if he finishes the season on the DL

but the cardinals can still exercise them.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 13, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

they would be silly not to

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I get that, if it's actually possible.

I thought they were nullified all together if he were on the DL.

At any rate, let us assume we have Waino signed to a 2 year, 21 million dollar deal. Maybe they can use that as leverage to get a 4 year, 45 million dollar one? I have no trouble paying a 33 year old Adam Wainwright 12 million dollars.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

4/27.5

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i meant this one

5 yr/$63.5M (08-11)+12 cl opt

by rlgosnell on Jul 13, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just gonna have to settle

for Miller, Martinez, Garcia, Jenkins, Lynn I guess.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Moore

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will feel better about the Rz situation

after July 31st and hes still a cardinal

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Jul 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

and he's

you know, hitting.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a streaky hitter

i’m not sure i see that changing…the oever-react on his slumps

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Jul 13, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

they over

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Jul 13, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting comparison of Colby to another Cardinal at cardinalnation

here.

and a WCBW siting that is ….welll……WCBW.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

so did I

and of course he isn’t hernandez, he doesn’t play first base.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

too true.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must like hanging out over there

Lot of WCBW comments over there. Ban hammer over here.

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 13, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder.........

how many times…………………. WCBW has ………….. had to replace the period button………….. on his computer.

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 13, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

he probably has a function key programmed to spit them out

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

just switches the keyboard over to morse code

and types in s s s

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 13, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I got a headache looking at his comments.

I couldn’t finish it.

"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker

TWITTER

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 13, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

How can anyone read that narcissistic shill? Best banning LB ever did.

This club is seriously lacking in grit, a trade for Aaron Miles is indeed needed.
I <3 Miles

by azruavatar on Jul 13, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

And they seem to indulge his crazy talk over there

by OCCardsFan on Jul 13, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The comments section on that blog

is one tiny rung above the P-D forums. There are several regular crazies. That, and the horrible understanding of stats, is why I can’t bear to read anything there anymore. I’m much happier for it.

This club is seriously lacking in grit, a trade for Aaron Miles is indeed needed.
I <3 Miles

by azruavatar on Jul 13, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

would it be unacceptable to change my avatar to an y2s on the offense?

I can’t find a good defensive one on the mothership at home and without Theriot…

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

i like this one... he's kinda on defense

Link because it’s big

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jul 13, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is not a y2s.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post, RB...

The labradoodle theme had me laughing out loud and reading them to my girlfriend. Rec’d

by bmorgan on Jul 13, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

BE CAREFUL DAVID

dfreese23 David Freese
@MattSebek At Starbucks… people are now wondering why I just fell outta my chair. Hysterical!!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Jul 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

omg that guy

and his ankles
and the rest of him
geez

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's the bubble suit?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kyyyyyleeee

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Viva el birdos just got a shout out on Bernie’s radio show.

by beer me on Jul 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Details?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rob Neyer was on his show

Who also writes for SBNation. He just said VEB does a great job over there

by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 13, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg we've jumped the shark

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the rally boobs

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Eelcat

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jul 13, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

how dare you

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Jul 13, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

or me

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 66

by d-dee on Jul 13, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

but we might have an edge among Cards blogs

for spontaneous karaoke

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

you weren't even here for that

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 66

by d-dee on Jul 13, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for time travel

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, we're like the invited google+ users before it went public

does that make us… cool?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 66

by d-dee on Jul 13, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither were you!

OH SNAP

*patiently waits for someone with a lower UID to show him

by mojowo11 on Jul 13, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

STEEL CHAIR

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think I first discovered VEB because of Bernie

I’m pretty sure he mentioned it in a column way back.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're not captioned correctly, though.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

ST. LOUIS, MO July 13, 2011 – St. Louis Cardinals Sr. Vice President & General Manager John Mozeliak announced today that the Cardinals have agreed to terms with pitcher Jaime Garcia on a four year contract with two club options. The Cardinals made the announcement this afternoon at a press conference at Busch Stadium.
"Jaime is one the best young arms in baseball today," said Mozeliak. "We are excited to have him as part of the core of our pitching staff for years to come."
Garcia, 25, is 9-3 with a 3.23 ERA during the first half of this season, which comes on the heels of one of the best rookie campaigns in 2010 where he was 13 – 8 with a 2.70 ERA (4th N.L.), ranking not only among top rookie pitchers, but also the top Major League pitchers in several categories.
Garcia’s career mark is 23 – 12, with a 3.06 ERA in 57 games, with 240 career strike outs. In 2010, Garcia’s 2.70 ERA was the lowest by a Cardinals’ left handed starter since John Tudor recorded a 2.40 ERA in 22 starts (25 games) during 1990.
Garcia was named both Rookie of the Year and Comeback Player of the Year for 2010 by the St. Louis Chapter of the Baseball Writers of America Association.
Garcia was selected by Baltimore in the 20th round (899th overall) of the 2004 draft, but did not sign. The 6-2, 215-pounder was born in Reynosa, Mexico and currently makes his home in Mission, Texas, where he attended Sharyland High School.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

YEAH MISTRANSLATED TESTS

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

plaigerizer

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 13, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I dunno, I got it in an email as a press release

Also, why am I getting press releases in my email?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

because you are big time?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jul 13, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I signed you up!

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Jul 13, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you?

I honestly don’t know why; I just started getting them one day

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

no. but it gives me an idea.

I used to get them, too but have tried to unsubscribe to all their mailings. somewhat successfully, I might add.

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Jul 13, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know if anyone cares

But there is a minute left in normal time of the WWC.
US 3 France 1

"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop

by OKCardsfan on Jul 13, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

kinky

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 13, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

AMERICA!

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 13, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a good game.

Also, Alex Morgan.

"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker

TWITTER

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 13, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The St. Louis media has begun the annual trade deadline freak out.

by beer me on Jul 13, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The Crew

Even though they can’t field and have possibly the worst position-playing starter in baseball (Betancourt), I still am most afraid of the Brewers. Greinke won’t keep giving up five runs a game (he’s whiffing 11 guys per 9 for crying out loud!), Marcum and Gallardo are solid, and they still have Braun, Fielder, Hart, Weeks, etc. I hate to say it but I don’t think guys like Los Dos Kyle-os can get it done over the rest of the season.

"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby

by redbirdnation8206 on Jul 13, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

What if we added an ubaldo?

by beer me on Jul 13, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Albert Pujols and the
magic 3K.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

You think Alex Morgan isn't going to be smokin' hot

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/m/hot-gallery/wake-up-with-alex-morgan/?pid=64569

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/9/11)
75 2/3 IP, 90 K, 34 BB/HBP, 30 ER, 5 HR, 3.02 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 13, 2011 2:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

"Oh I'm just doing soccer research, boss. Just looking into her statistics"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

those are some mighty fine...

statistics.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now the big problem....

how to get her to come date me in my mom’s basement.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jul 13, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duck face (or whatever that is) would kill it for me.

I’m actually kind of surprised more people aren’t talking about Hope Solo, if “hawt US socecr womanz” is the “in” thing right now. Maybe she’s old news or something? I can never quite keep track of this sort of thing. And since I’m married I don’t really care.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being married has no bearing on whether or not you think a girl is hot

Like I said

1) Alex Morgan
2) Heather Mitts
3) Hope Solo

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heather Mitts sounds like a made up name to me for some reason

(But Hope Solo is a totally normal name? I dunno, I’m weird like that)

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some guys like that in a woman.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my heather mitts so fine

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/9/11)
75 2/3 IP, 90 K, 34 BB/HBP, 30 ER, 5 HR, 3.02 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 13, 2011 6:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ah

I was being serious about that, I figured maybe I missed the boat since she’s been on the team for a while.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

not enough curves

but still nice to look at her statistics, as rui put it

by STLRegalia on Jul 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today however she wore a bright pink sports bra.

With a white uniform. Hence why I knew it was hot pink and why it was a poor choice. (Although maybe not for y’all, but fashion-wise.)

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was probably bright pink for the same reason Holliday's HR Derby shoes were bright blue and red,

for the sponsor’s branding.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was probably pink for the same reason Holliday's HR Derby shoes wee bright blue and red,

for the sponsor’s branding. my sexual benefit

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too much information

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

From you?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/9/11)
75 2/3 IP, 90 K, 34 BB/HBP, 30 ER, 5 HR, 3.02 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Jul 13, 2011 6:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hey

i’m remarkably restrained when i’m sober.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of

i’m having a couple of beers…

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is not a sports bra company I can think of that doesn't make hot pink sports bras.

So they aren’t standing out.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

since the brewers traded for k-rod

do you guys think the cards should try to make a move?

FIRE TONY LARUSSA
trade colby.
twitter

by zoomzoomj88 on Jul 13, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

not because of k-rod

but i think we need another starter and to move k-mac back to the pen.

youneverknow

by floodOfLove on Jul 13, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the not-so-funny part.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should use the DH in NL games

but the DH has to be the current pitcher. It’s genius.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Jul 13, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

First time poster long time reader....

Heading to the Cardinal game for the Cubs games that weekend. I’m from st. louis area originally but haven’t hung out since I was waaaay underage. Was curious of some good bars, live music locations, restaurants, and other things to do after a game. Any recommendations?

by Tamarackian83 on Jul 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

How was this a fail?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardly knew her!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter | Gas House Graphs

by mysterui on Jul 13, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

Didn’t say the weekend. The 30th, but everyone already knew that. Its the Cubs.

Side note. Anyone else curious what the options are for Hot-me? In any case, this is a great deal for both sides unless he has some sort of ridiculous motorcycle injury to his forearm.

by Tamarackian83 on Jul 13, 2011 4:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There's a fanpost

here and here that should help you out.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks....

Appreciate the links.

by Tamarackian83 on Jul 13, 2011 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't judge the Fanposts.

They are merely Az’s rough drafts.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jul 13, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

someday...

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Jul 13, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danup has a brand new

post.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Dead VEB is dead?

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

gif party?

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't where y'all find all of these things so you can go ahead.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know*

I’m distracted. I’m watching Harry Potter.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

which one?

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

7 Part 1.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool

i guess you’re excited for the new one, going to a premire?

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Can’t wait.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

now the most important question

who are you dressing up as?

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Myself.

In sweatpants.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

for shame

and you call yourself a potter fan.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm actually dressing up as the character I invented in my mind.

The one that marries Oliver Wood. Obviously.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Self-insertion harry potter fan fiction...

slippery slope.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess the actor is kind of cute though

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

She doesn't have my name.

And it’s a very clever story I made up in my like 14 year old mind.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

well thats acceptable

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

However I did have to change some things.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

now i'm curious...

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not getting it to it here.

People may be upset.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

In your version

does Oliver Wood strongly suggest you visit the prefects’ bathroom with him to uncover a magical mystery?

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Most likely several times.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

'they don't call me

wood for nothing’

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's like we're in the middle of a double off day or something.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah well

i’m bored and its only 1am. ENTERTAIN me damnit.

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

500 comments here

25+ on the second main page thread
25+ on a fan post about yadi
More arguing over in the Rasmus worth thread
And I haven’t even opened the soccer thread.

You now, the third off day in a row.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jul 13, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Needs moar Legolas.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know whether to rec or cry.

The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain

by mattybobo on Jul 13, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

both

All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew

by Aranathor on Jul 13, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

just rec will be ok.

we’ve all rubbed one out outside the batter’s box, right?

Officer Olson: What'd this guy look like, anyway?
Mr. Mohra: Oh, he was a little guy... Kinda funny lookin'.
Officer Olson: Uh-huh. In what way?
Mr. Mohra: Oh, just in a general kinda way.

by threadkiller on Jul 13, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

taylor dayne. awful song. does. not. compute.

taylor dayne never recorded an awful song. but yeah, i’ll be attending a world series game at busch come october.

Officer Olson: What'd this guy look like, anyway?
Mr. Mohra: Oh, he was a little guy... Kinda funny lookin'.
Officer Olson: Uh-huh. In what way?
Mr. Mohra: Oh, just in a general kinda way.

by threadkiller on Jul 13, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's such a relief...

that now the Garcia contract has been signed, being the major distraction to the team’s success it has been during the first half, this team will finally be able to focus on baseball and win some games.

by Jumsy on Jul 13, 2011 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

I’m starting to get the impression pujols is more of a diva than previously thought..

by beer me on Jul 14, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

housecleaning; they surfaced again

I have six old scorecards, Busch , three from ’62 and three from ’63. All have kept box scores written in. Three are blank in the front.
One has a Dick Groat autograph on the front.
Another signed by Ken Boyer, Bob Gibson, Curt Flood and Jim Schaffer [?]
The third one has Stan Musial, Minnie Minoso, Johnny Keane, Julian Javier and Don Landrum autographs.
Not in great shape but not falling apart yet either. Ready to mail out to someone who might appreciate them. Freebies.
Also have four old scorecards from Crosley Field (Cincy), vs Cardinals in 1957 [our lead off hitter that day was Don Blasingame]
Lastly, I have an LP (vinyl record) highlighting the 1964 pennant/WS season (voices of Harry and Jack).
If anybody wants, one of my e-mails is on my profile

by the Tewk on Jul 13, 2011 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

p.s. I know the autographs are genuine

because I either got them myself (as a boy of 13) or I saw my step-dad get them

by the Tewk on Jul 13, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would kill for those to frame and put up in my room

but i feel like someone who’s actually a part of the community rather lurker who occasionally posts deserves them more than i.

by molina mo problems on Jul 13, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like just to have?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on Jul 13, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh shit

I would love to give one of those to my dad for his birthday. He’s an autograph hound. Although he probably has nearly all of those autographs so it should go to someone who doesn’t perhaps actually have them. Cause I know for a fact he already has at least Musial and Gibson.

"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker

TWITTER

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 13, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

I’d have to figure it out somehow without asking (if i really wanted to go the B-Day route). And that’s impossible. Well I guess his birthday is far enough away (Little over three weeks) where I could do that without suspicion, but it’d be tricky for sure.

"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
President of the Tyler Greene fan club - In need of Secretary and Public Speaker

TWITTER

by stlcardsfan4 on Jul 13, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love any of the above

Gibby was my favorite Card growing up. My first chance at attending a game, though, was in ’77 so I never got to see him in person.

by ArkansasTravs on Jul 14, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuuu

i got a response to follow up email i sent after a resume submission. they wanted me to review and modify some code which was in C and i don’t really know C! but i did a bunch of research and i think i banged it out pretty well and now i’m responding to the email with the documents and stuff, but i have a problem. the person sending me the email is named shannon. starting the email with “Shannon,” is likely too informal, and i can’t put Mr. or Mrs. and guess wrong. wtf do i do? full name sounds awkward!

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
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by prophetjohn on Jul 13, 2011 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

google search for that person?

if not, you might be able to get away with leaving it salutation-free.. giant disclaimer: it’s been a long since i’ve done a job interview in person, let alone email, so that might be completely worthless advice.

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 14, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i did

all i could find was a linkedin profile with no pic

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
Twitter | Google+

by prophetjohn on Jul 14, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh, figures as much.

"I wonder if I put on a uniform and told La Russa I wanted to play for him if I could be a big leaguer too?"
"that all depends. are you gritty?" "You would need a mediocre decade of MLB experience first" "do you have a goatee, are you short, and do you try really hard?" "Are you willing to play four positions terribly?"

by cschepers on Jul 14, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

got a phone number for him/her?

Also, is Shannon really a guys name?

"I kinda like the Wong" -Aranathor

by Alxfritz on Jul 14, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

the guy who died in Texas was Shannon

geez fritz

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jul 14, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

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