St. Louis Cardinals All-Star Moments: Shelby Miller And Futures Games Past
As Futures Game participation goes, the Cardinals managed to paint a surprisingly representative picture of their minor league rosters with their 2011 picks. The Cardinals' farm system is pitching-heavy and dominated by Shelby Miller and Carlos Martinez, and that's exactly what we saw. It doesn't always work like that; sometimes the player who gets chosen is the only guy who could show up, and sometimes there's just nobody in the system who deserves to be there.
With that in mind, the Cardinals' participants since 2001, the first year MLB.com has rosters available:
2001: Josh Pearce, Bill Ortega. This is the perfect storm: An empty minor league system and the wrong guy shows up anyway. Pearce was a prospect-by-default who put up decent minor league numbers, moved quickly, and was never a threat to carve out a permanent role on the Cardinals back when the team combined perennially high expectations with a farm so barren that Brett Tomko and Tony Womack seemed like good ideas.
Was Pearce any worse than some of the players the Cardinals tried out in their rotation in the early aughts? Probably not all of them. But Walt Jocketty was always more willing to trust a reclamation project than a regular project.
Bill Ortega was a Cuban defector who couldn't replicate a solid AA season in two AAA attempts. Of course, the Cardinals would have had a fine Memphis hitter available if Bobby Bonilla had just stayed healthy.
2002: Jimmy Journell. Jimmy Journell!
The Cardinals' top prospect in the Ankiel-Hawksworth interregnum, Journell looked like a respectable top prospect before shoulder problems turned him into a hard-throwing, command-free reliever. Articles about him invariably began, "The Cardinals have a garbage farm system, but hey, this Jimmy Journell kid!"
2003: Chris Narveson. After that sentence, they would add, "And that Narveson kid, he's okay, if you like that sort of thing."
2004: Brad Thompson. That's right. So far this decade the top future Major Leaguer on the Futures Game rolls is our very own Wonderbrad.
2005:
Sup Future Rednerds!!!!! Remember that time they put me in the All-Star Game!? I hadn't even pitched in the Majors yet!!!! No way!!!!
2006: Jaime Garcia. Well, Brad, it was a good run.
2007: Colby Rasmus, Bryan Anderson. At this point you should be noticing a positive trend, namely that the last two top representatives are still in the Major Leagues.
2008: Bryan Anderson, Jess Todd, Fernando Salas, Jaime Garcia, Colby Rasmus. In a very slightly different universe all five of these guys are on the Cardinals' roster at this very moment. The team has the exact record it does in this universe.
2009: Brett Wallace, Daryl Jones, Francisco Samuel. This might best represent the variety of Futures Game experience. There's a genuine top prospect in Brett Wallace, a guy at or near the peak of his value in Daryl Jones, and a completely inexplicable pick in Francisco Samuel, who is as we speak in the process of another comeback, rehabbing with the GCL Cardinals. If he's ever going to stick in Memphis it will be in the year of the Great Reliever Purge.
2010: Shelby Miller, Eduardo Sanchez. Unfortunately, by 2011 the Cardinals had run out of easily confused right-handed relief prospects to nominate to this thing; all that work to make "Adam Sreifer" his legal name was for nothing, in the end.
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Martinez was so nasty
Miller was awesome, too, but I was pretty blown away by the raw stuff Martinez was throwing. That breaking ball made at least one guy look totally ridiculous.
Also, I played with Jason Kipnis in high school…gotta admit that seeing him hit a bomb of Teheran was sort of surreal.
I haven't seen it yet but i've heard from many people that Martinez stuff looked pretty ridiculous.
Someone said something about Miller feeling tight. Also the way he dealt with the loss of a family friend was impressive.
is it available on MiLBtv or something
i’d quite like to watch if it’s free somewhere.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jul 11, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it was on espn3.com
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I feel that way when I watch Joel Hanrahan pitch.
Of course, I played against him in high school baseball, basketball and football.
I had a friend was a big baseball player
back in high school
He could throw that speedball by you
Make you look like a fool boy
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
A/C went out for about an hour
got up over 80 in here, but it appears to be back on now.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Damn government jobs
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/9/11)
75 2/3 IP, 90 K, 34 BB/HBP, 30 ER, 5 HR, 3.02 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 11, 2011 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
government cutbacks
shutting down the air randomly for an hour at a time
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Maybe has been covered before..
but best wishes to Brian Tallet
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
the cause and effect of the anti-inflammatories is interesting
makes you wonder how many of these guys are swallowing 800mg of ibuprofen every day without regard for the damage they are doing to their kidneys and stomachs.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
No kidding...
people I know take the maximum dosage of ibuprofen every day like it’s a vitamin. Can’t be good…
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I did the same thing for a couple of years back in college
didn’t know any better. But that wasn’t like these guys who are playing virtually every day.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I like to live dangerously!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Buy a segway and move to Arizona...
there aren’t any cliffs there!
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
by guayzimi on Jul 11, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't mean to pick on La Russa, but
La Russa, instead, fixated on Garcia’s career record against the Reds as a reason to get him in that series, on Sunday. Garcia is 5-0 with a 3.82 ERA in seven games (five starts) against the division rivals.
“Since it’s one of the few times that you can really arrange it, if somebody has an edge against a club, you try to not have them miss it,” La Russa said. “It’s pivoting around a couple people, like (Chris Carpenter). Sometimes it’s more obvious what you should do. This one, there’s a little edge, so I played it.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hmm
I don’t see why he wouldn’t do this. It always seems that Bud Norris has our number. Perhaps Jamie has theirs. I guess it’s a why not rather than a cmon man.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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I know won/loss
can be deceiving, but a 5-0 record against the Reds is Norrisian. To switch the rotation around to get him into a series against the Reds couldn’t hurt.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
But, he has FIVE pitching "wins" against the Reds.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
oooooooooooooooooh. wight, wight, i fogot.

by all4tookie on Jul 11, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I will always rec Homestar Runner.
"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
and the cardinals are averaging 5+ r/g vs the reds last 2 years
most of any opponent in 2010, and 3rd most of any opponent in 2011.
Actually that’s probably a reason to start your second or third-best pitcher… but if Jaime is made more confident by being slated to pitch against the reds, then I think that’s a fine thing to have him do.
"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11
It would make more sense...
to validate the decision by referring to his numbers at home this season in combination with success vs. the Reds.
This just in
Yadier Molina will be pitching to Matt Holliday in the home run derby.
HFS!
by cloistermaximus on Jul 11, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
They just interviewed Holliday on MLB.com's HRD Batting Practice
Said Dave McKay was going to do it but had to back out, so Yadi is going to do it. It’s all of our dreams come true. Yadi on the mound.
by cloistermaximus on Jul 11, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I AM GOING TO NEED SO MANY TOWELS
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Well I mean
I thought only a small percentage of girls woul
You know I’m just going to stop
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by mysterui on Jul 11, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not for that! just because its so warm outside.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
That Yadi All-Star BP jersey is kind of a must-own now, isn't it?
Or, only if Holliday wins?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Just a small percentage of the ones you
You know, I’m gonna stop as well
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 7/9/11)
75 2/3 IP, 90 K, 34 BB/HBP, 30 ER, 5 HR, 3.02 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jul 11, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there's two kinds of liars in the world
I’ll just leave it there.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jul 11, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
How utterly fitting,
in this season where everyone plays everywhere.
"In the end, ... I have to learn my own swing. Then maybe I'll be whatever everyone wants me to be." -Colby
by The Continental on Jul 11, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
aww man, wish i could watch this
anyone know if ESPN3 is carrying it or any way to watch after the fact?
also streaming on mlb.com
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It is
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Even with this news...
I can’t be more excited than I already am for the Celebrity Softball Game.
It’s my favorite sporting event of the year.
"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
OH SWEET ZOMBIE JEHOVAH
what the fuck?
All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew
I CANNOT UNSEE THAT!
This club is seriously lacking in grit, a trade for Aaron Miles is indeed needed.
I <3 Miles
Gawd help me
I can stop looking at this….
by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
so i did two mock HR derbys on The Show
a CPU one and one where i played.
CPU had bautista winning over ortiz (8-7 in final rd). round 1: ortiz 15, bautista 13, holliday 8, gonzalez/fielder/cano 7, weeks 5, kemp 4. (gonzo won in swing playoff). rd 2: bautista 12 (25 total), ortiz 5 (20), gonzalez 10 (17), holliday 4 (12).
my version had an unusual winner: matt kemp. won over gonzo 4-3. round 1: kemp 16, ortiz 11, gonzo 9, holliday 8, bautista/fielder 6, weeks 4, cano 3. rd 2: kemp 2/18, gonzo 8/17, ortiz 5/16, holliday 3/11.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
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"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
um sure...
Sorry distracted… watching the Foos show on the iTunes…
"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
2008: Bryan Anderson, Jess Todd, Fernando Salas, Jaime Garcia, Colby Rasmus. In a very slightly different universe all five of these guys are on the Cardinals' roster at this very moment. The team has the exact record it does in this universe.
Ummmm…Not too far off world. Bryan Anderson = Jason LaRue of last year. Jess Todd couldn’t have been worse than Ryan Franklin this year.
I think the implication was
Anderson could have been called up this year as well as Todd.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Has anyone seen...
Bryan Anderson’s line of late? Now that he is getting regular AB’s since Cruz has been called up, he seems to be hitting better. (.270/.340/.393) Over the last 10 games, he’s hitting .394/.487/.576 which covers the wonderfully small sample size of 33 ABs (39 PA).
I am just going to let the Anderson thing go...
yes his hit tool, if given the chance to develop, would have made him the ideal back-up catcher because he could actually pitch-hit in addition to catching once every month.
But Tony will always value catcher defense no matter how rarely they actually catch over actual hitting ability. This shit make me angry…i just have to let it go. I cant worry about Tony logic that is a totally different world. A world without a yellow sun and where Albert is just human.
by BigJawnMize on Jul 11, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN 7 PM CDT
miller for miles!
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 11, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You get a rec for understanding the difference
between daylight time and standard time… Good job by you kid.
"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
It's on the
back back back back back back back end of your cable package…
"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
I cannot stand Boomer
He sounds like he’s choking on a turkey leg when he shouts “Back, back, back, back.” That and his performance during the saint louis all star game was horrible.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 11, 2011 7:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only version of Boomer I can stand...
is this starting at 1:30 or so…
tearing up for an old great show… don’t mind me…
"…this crowd is on their feet for the Canadian Star Spangled Banner." - Mike Shannon
i'm all cool with the team thing in the derby
but i’m not a big fan of captains choosing teammates. two reps of the same team just doesn’t seem right to me.
FIRE TONY LARUSSA
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I'd say if they're the best and happen to be on the same team, oh well
I’m glad it doesn’t follow the little league rules of the all star game – every team is represented – *every person plays
*Note: Rules do not apply to TLR managed all-star teams and Albert Pujols
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jul 11, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know, man. It's the HR derby. Doesn't seem like there should be anything sacred about it.
I’m pumped to see Prince (I love watching him hit. Don’t tell VEB), and Weeks will be a nice change-of-pace sort of hitter who will be interesting to watch in this context. I only wish Wily Mo was swinging his lumber tonight!
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Wily Mo would literally strike out
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by mysterui on Jul 11, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You unbeliever! Wily Mo would hit 45 HR's an average of 590 feet, you fool.
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by Aranathor on Jul 11, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Albert ends up getting too much and Prince will sign for 5 or less years, I won't hate it.
From an emotional stand-point, I want to keep Albert even if it’s for too long and too much. But if it doesn’t work out for him, I could get used to seeing Prince’s fabulous upper-cut every day.
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Love the upper cut...
and why not six years? I’ll take Fielder’s age 33 season. 267/381/522 in 90 games. Not worth $25 million, but still good production.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I sort of picked 5 out of the air. I wouldn't argue with 6 if the money wasn't too much,
though I suspect his D will be atrocious by then…
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Is the derby going to be on MLB.com?
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Yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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i might just watch it then
All i want to do, is get close to you and wake up in the early morning dew
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see also: flash card
would've.
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