Norris Deals While Garcia Labors and the Astros Top the Cardinals
by bgh on Jun 9, 2011 10:40 AM EDT
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In last night's game, the second of the three-game series at Minute Maid Mallpark, an unstoppable force met an immovable object. Kind of. After just barely meeting the criteria for a quality start in his 2011 premier against the Cardinals, Bud Norris, a pitcher once bizarroly considered Kryptonite to the non-super Cardinals lineup of seasons past, was rudely welcomed to Busch Stadium in his second start of this season against St. Louis by the run-producing juggernaut that has established itself as the big-leagues' best through two months of play. Norris lasted only five innings, allowing five runs on seven hits and three walks. Last night, with a St. Louis lineup missing Matt Holliday, David Freese, and Allen Craig, Norris was able rekindle his effectiveness against the Redbirds into a raging wildfire (in the outfield?), taking a no-hitter into the seventh.
The story of last night's game is a familiar one for Cardinal fans and the character undoubtedly most-used as the villain in campfire horror stories throughout the Cardinal territory again bewildered our hometown heroes. But the old line that Bud Norris is terrible against every other club but the Cardinals does not hold much water for the 2011 season. Last night marked Norris's thirteenth start of the season. The righty has totaled 81 IP in those starts, with a strikeout rate of 9.0 and a 3.56 BB/9 to feed his 3.67 ERa, 3.76 FIP, and 3.44 xFIP. Norris is putting together a fine season.
Jaime Garcia, the young Cardinal lefty, started 2011 in a way that had some asking, "Wagonmaker who?" Garcia sported an ERA of just 1.93 through his first ten starts. Then, he toed the rubber in Colorado on May 28. Perhaps it was the altitude, the humidor, the Rockies, bad luck, or lunch not sitting well with him. Whatever the cause, the effect was a brutal thrashing at the bats of the Rockies and a line of: 12 R, 11 ER, 11 H, 4 BB. The sophomore southpaw's ERA lept from 1.98 to 3.23 3.1 IP that day and the Cards went down 15-4. In the following start (which was also the only one for Garcia between the Rocky Mountain Meltdown and last night's contest), against a club equally as lowly as the Astros, Garcia spun a gem: 8 IP, 1 R, 1 ER, 4 H, 8 SO, and just 1 BB.
Despite his outstanding effort against Chicago, Garcia never seemed comfortable last night. Early on, he was missing his spots and there were some borderline pitches that home plate umpire, James Hoye, saw fit to call "balls." Hoye was poor behind the plate--Mike Shannon even labeled him "useless" during a radio broadcast that came to resemble a radio talk show railing against Hoye's re-election as Home Plate Umpire--but Garcia was never able to harness his arsenal of pitches. The pitch-count total, while slowly tallied, topped out at 98 at the fifth inning's conclusion, when Tony La Russa wisely gave the young southpaw the hook. For the game, Garcia's line was not terrible at 5 IP, 3 R, 2 BB, 1 SO, but it was an outing that represents Garcia at his worst. Inefficient, poor command, and an early exit.
The St. Louis bullpen likely did not appreciate Garcia turning in his second-shortest outing of the season last night, about twenty-four hours after the bullpen had to handle three and one-third innings in a bizarre contest that befitted the bizarre confines of the Houston ballpark. Garcia's early exit meant that Cardinal relievers had to shoulder four innings. Ryan Franklin deserves credit for keeping the Cards within striking distance even if the offense never struck. His one and one-third innings without a run allowed lowered his ERA to 7.06, slightly above his 5.20 FIP and 4.33 xFIP. Jason Motte was the only reliever to make back-to-back appearances on Tuesday and Wednesday, so the Astros touching him for a pair of hits and a run was not terribly surprising. With the rookie Lance Lynn making his second big-league start tonight--and his first big-league start on full rest--should La Russa need to go to 'pen, the manager will have his pick of Miguel Batista, Trever Miller, Eduardo Sanchez, and Fernando Salas all of whom have one day's rest.
There was not much of a silver lining on the frustrating dark cloud that was last night's loss at the Minute Made Mallpark. In fact, I could only find a few glimmers of polished sheen. Franklin's effort, highlighted above, deserves praise. There was Lance Berkman's second home run in as many games after the cortisone injection to his nagging wrist. Typically, wrist injuries sap power. The rebound in Puma power after the injection is heartening. The second bright spot was Colby Rasmus's basket catch near where the base of the Crosley Field-inspired Tal's Hill meets the Roman-inspired railroad bridge. Despite, or perhaps because of, the absurd setting, it was a rather enjoyable catch. Lastly, Ryan Theriot hit streak came to an end. If it had to come to an end, I'm glad it did without much consequence. I would never cheer against a Cardinal, but I also love my history and I can think of nothing more appropriate than Rogers Hornsby having the longest hit streak in franchise history, at 33 games, with Stan Musial and Albert Pujols tied for second, each with a 30-game streak.
At 7:05 CT, Lance Lynn squares off against J.A. Happ in the rubber match of the series.
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Ah. A fresh thread.
That other one was spoiled. Just disgusting. It should be sent back for a refund.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 9, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
Spacing?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's like there's...
1.5 spacing between the subject line and the text. Also, on the fanpost list there’s more space between title, author, and comments.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I see.
I was going to say that I don’t see much different, but I’m not using Chrome.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
then thank your lucky stars
i close my eyes and still see it…the kerning…..oh dear sweet lord, the kerning…….
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
did everything just taste like purple for a second?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Anyone ever been to Dickey’s Barbecue Pit before
Just had some good looking girls give me a coupon for a free BBQ sandwich
Enjoy the fact that the girls handed it to you but that place is nasty
Awful terrible bad barbecue, it makes Bandanas look like fine dining. Seriously if your going to eat barbecue and not make it yourself or treat yourself to Pappy’s atleast eat a supersmokers so you can enjoy the sauce
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 9, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you've been to Pappy's too many times...
Bogart’s Smoke House is owned by Pappy’s… barbecue is just as good (if not better)… and they have incredible baked beans… and other stuff…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Good to know
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 9, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
geiger?
a raging wildfire (in the outfield?)
LET’S GO!
(i’m just happy bgh’s joke fit into my personal morning mantra)
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
a riddle...
q: how do you walk five batters, only K two, but make it through eight innings only throwing one-hundred four pitches while giving up just one run… (and never really being threatened….)
a: no idea, but it was really frustrating to watch last night…
Lunging swings
and double plays by the opposition helping you out.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 9, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Norris wasn't so much good as lucky.
Perhaps one could say that the Cardinals did not make much in the way of solid contact, and we didn’t, but walking five guys usually will get you into trouble as a pitcher.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
add to that the fact
that what solid contact was made was directed at a fielder and you get a one-hitter. Overall, it was sucktastic. I’m certainly hoping for more offense tonight. I’m afraid Lynn may need it.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 9, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
since there was only one K, and only one hit that was
Not a homer, that makes our team BABIP .037 for the night.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 9, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Double plays!
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Pitchers & Poets
Bryce Harper and the Elements of Style by Eric Freeman
For the most part, the play has brought Harper criticism for being an immature asshole (see here and here). That opinion is accurate in the most basic sense: only dickheads tend to show up pitchers, and Harper has a stupid mustache and nascent mullet, as well. He’s baseball’s version of an ’80s ski movie villain, just with more natural talent than any other prospect in the minors. (In other words, he will render Colby Rasmus insignificant as soon as he puts on a big league uniform.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
For the kids, then, he's
Bradley Cooper before The Hangover movies.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 9, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
People think Colby Rasmus is an asshole?
Or his he saying supertalent? Because if anyone hated a Cardinal I would think it would be Albert first and foremost and maybe Sanchez lately too.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 9, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that refers to the trash sthe and the muller
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
VolsnCards'd
Trash stache and mullet
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OIC
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 9, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not sure I understand the Rasmus reference there
I’ve read that several times and it still doesn’t quite make sense. The 80s ski movie villain line is dead on though….
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
I'm probably off base, but the way I took it
he was saying that asshats and malcontents (see Milton Bradley) get more attention, press, ESPN mentions, eg, than do quiet players (see Steve Finley) even tho the latter have equal or superior talent.
I think, therefore, he means that Colby is a Finley type (see also J D Drew), i.e. quiet and no drama. A sort of a left-handed compliment maybe, but I don’t think he was ragging on Colby.
I thought he was referencing facial hair and hairdo.
But, Rasmus is hardly villainous. He is too bland.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 9, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Favorite 80's ski movie villain would be
Rudi Garmisch from Hot Dog the Movie.
“Hey Garnshit, you can kiss my ass…not on zis side and not on zat side but straight in the middle.” – Dan O’Callahan.
Winner of the prestigious 2011 MVL as presented by Alxfritz.
"You didn't win LOY, but you did win MVL, which is a prestigious award I just made up. And that’s something RiverRat can never take from you." - Alxfritz
*right in zee middle
Winner of the prestigious 2011 MVL as presented by Alxfritz.
"You didn't win LOY, but you did win MVL, which is a prestigious award I just made up. And that’s something RiverRat can never take from you." - Alxfritz
more like stan DARSH!!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've been wondering
How many wins does trading for Norris get us? First of all, we win the next two games we would be facing him, because he now plays for us. Secondly, it bumps K-Mac to the bullpen, letting us release Batista/Franklin (my vote remains batista).
Seriously, of you can’t beat him, join him?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sure
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hasn't that always been a philosophy of his?
pick up players who have played well against him in the past
More like...
Jim Hendry?
“can’t beat him, join him” has been a major part of the cub roster-building philosophy for quite some time.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
except. . .
it’s only a 25-man roster
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the problem is that they would keep franktista
and demote boggs or something stupid like that – oh wait
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
you get a rec for this line
-Mike Shannon even labeled him “useless” during a radio broadcast that came to resemble a radio talk show railing against Hoye’s re-election as Home Plate Umpire-but Garcia was never able to harness his arsenal of pitches.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
oh bah
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
nicely done
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
was the ump inconsistent or something?
I’ve heard Shannon get on the umps before, but not like that….
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
What little I saw of it,
there were pitches in the middle of the zone called balls. And not just a couple.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Last night Horton said that Skip will turn it around
because “he hits lots of ground balls and ground balls turn into hits.” Then Skip promptly grounded out to second. Just another occasion of the crew saying things that are completely contradicted by what happens on the field.
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
I couldn't believe my ears
but I had the text on and it said the exact same thing that I heard.
He must think that all shortstops are like Theriot
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
yes, yes he did say that
I had trouble believing he said it too, but he did.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 9, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
to be fair
ground balls turn into hits more than flyballs do.
Most of the no-power guys who put up high averages do it by hitting loads of GB with a high contact rate and lots of footspeed.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ricky lolton
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ricky Derpton
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
by nota bene on Jun 9, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't talk about ClemsonGirl's uncle like that.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
i caught that too
I was going to bring up the question of “if Ground balls turn into hits, then why is Dave Ducan always trying to get his pitching staff to induce ground balls?” But we were getting no hit by Bud Norris. So I didn’t feel like contributing.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Skip's swing makes me want to kick a small animal
He just LOOKS like a ground-out waiting to happen. I don’t know if anyone has done a comprehensive review of his stance/swing, but I just wish he could at least tweak what he’s doing to increase driving the ball instead of all the dad-gum grounders
I think the ball he hit after that comment
was about about 4 inches off the ground.
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
simmer down brad Thompson
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
They also drafted Geren's Sunday yesterday.
I guess the A’s are a one Geren team.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell?
They drafted Geren’s SON, S-O-N, SON.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 9, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
and gave him a sundae.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 9, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is that a sun-burn?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
ouch
that’s going to cause some awkwardness next Thanksgiving.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
Geren Jr.: Well at least one of us can hold down a job with the A’s
Geren Sr.: WHY YOU LITTLE!!!
Geren Jr.: Choking noises
Note i’m imagining them as homer and bart
totes babes
by Aranathor on Jun 9, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so I guess I'm glad I missed the game last night....
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
so did the cards' offense, amirite?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
!o
connect four on the diagonal!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
VEB is being overrun by pirates
AAAh
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
by Hootie Who on Jun 9, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's Aarrrrrrrr, to you.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Y'aaarrrghh?
still feeling frustrated by the game last nite?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you definitely aren't talking about the pittsburgh pirates
because unlike VEBers, they’ve found a way to get out of the basement.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not in the basement, I'm on the porch.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in my cube. I'd love to be in my basement right now.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
beer in the basement?
I have an ice chest so I don’t have to get up.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Bernie is pimping them
seeing as they are .500 and hot on the heels of the Redlegs.
After looking at their pitching staff’s peripherals. . . I’ll take Things That Will Not Continue for $1000, Alex.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Things That Will Not Continue for $1000
An NBC sitcom based on an American middle manager at a telemarketing company in India.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 9, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
f'in trebek.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's roll with "Things Mo Says" for $200.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 9, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
"Things Mo Says" for $200.
“Perhaps Pedro Feliz could be the answer!”
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
What is insanity
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
doing the same thing and expecting different results
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Judges? Correct. We also would have accepted "What is something Mo says while smoking drugs?"
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Since rui is falling down on the job
let’s go with Dan ’ n Al (’n Ricky) for $800. . .
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
miklasz
On Bernie Show, Cards 3B David Freese says he’s cleared to begin BP and he expects to start a rehab assignment in two weeks.
Freese clearly upbeat about his progress. Says the hand’s motion-flexibility is restored. Still regenerating strength. “Real close.”
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
So we're still talking ASB...
I would assume Lil’ Carp is first out, followed by T Greene when Punto returns. Maybe La Russa will surprise us by sacking Skip…
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
sacking Skip?
Is that a sexual reference?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If done correctly,
Skip will say, “that was a quality sacking.”
"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte
Skip would know a good sacking...
Well… just yesterday Bud Norris shoved it right up his rear…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
by pattimagee on Jun 9, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know as that would qualify as a 'sacking'.
I’m sure another term would come closer to the truth.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes me happy
his return will be just like getting a big bat at the …. oh, nevermind.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 9, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it really is
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
What would our life be without Dan’n’Al?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 9, 2011 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
informed?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So he'll be ready in August then?
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 9, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they give him batting gloves that look like
open hand sparing gloves.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I will settle for the Mizuno Rickey Henderson batting gloves,
or maybe the Jeff Bagwell batting glove.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 9, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're underestimating
Freese’s ability to get injured. I’d also get him one of those Art Howe face mask things.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ability to get injured?
What did Freese do to cause this injury? It was certainly not caused by an inferior body.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Jun 9, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this comment was more in the vein of the Rolen curse
and Freese’s apparent tendancy to suffer freak injuries (like dropping a weight on his foot and getting hit by a pitch in the hand).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 9, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Some were freakish, but others I am not so sure
I guess skidding on ice and injuring a foot could be freakish, depending on how careful he was driving. Dropping a weight might be more carelessness then freakish. Rounding 3rd base and hearing a pop qualifies, and so does getting hit in the hand. I would go all out on the freak meter maybe 70% freakish?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
why not go all out
and add the Barry Bonds elbow armor
maybe some soccer shin guards too
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
Go too far and his styrofoam bones will just collapse under the weight of all the gear.
Thank god for him that he’s not a catcher.
I'd throw in Art Howe's batting helmet, too.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Full suit of plate mail?
+6 armor class, but the armor check penalty is pretty severe…
:=8)
Griebenschmaltz!
Full plate is +8, with a max dex mod of +1 and a -5 to skill checks, as I recall.
But that’s 3rd Edition. I don’t do the 4th Ed bullshit. If I wanted to play Worlds of Warcraft, I’d play Worlds of Warcraft.
I'm old school
1st edition all the way!
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Various colors
until they redid the covers to match with orange spines and blue backgrounds.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 9, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well... D&D was this one
(which I have)
But when you say first edition you are normally talking about AD&D
And this
Which I also have…. I inherited all of my dad’s AD&D books. Which is pretty much all of them.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Yeah, I was thinking of the latter two images.
I’ve got the all the “Basic” D&D books stashed away somewhere – well, except for the Player’s Book of the red set. It was one of those things I should have known better than to lend out to a friend way back when, along with my Green Lantern action figure.
I’ve got the 2nd Ed and 3.5 ed AD&D core rulebooks, as well. I’d kill to find a copy of the Epic Level Handbook for 3.5.
oh yeah
this one was fun too.
http://poplicks.com/images/orientaladventures.jpg
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
I played the shit out of some AD&D
but the best was one summer when we played TMNT. Palladium didn’t have the lasting power that AD&D did, but it was fun to make mutant porcupine assassins.
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
Pathfinder.
Just sayin’
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 9, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
PURE MADNESS HERE
Eating Arthur Bryant’s and starting up scouting reports on upcoming opponents. This job is awesome
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by mysterui on Jun 9, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yes, but not gainfully
sucker’s working for free
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You're looking at it wrong.
He’s getting his foot in the door.
/wink, wink
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for me, really
I’m just here getting tutorialized on the technology I’ll be using during the game. But they don’t have it working yet, so the only thing i can do is the scouting reports for the next game
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Rui
Now that you’re in KC, if you don’t have Extra Innings, then Buffalo Wild Wings is the best place to go for Cardinals games that are not nationally broadcast.
I have mlb.tv, which is actually not blacked out in the area
Thanks for the suggestion, though! I might actually need to go to B-Dubs for the games that ARE nationally broadcast (if I’m too lazy to find a proxy) since I can’t get those on mlb.tv
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Why would you eat at Arthur Bryants
when you could be eating at Gates.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 13, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
when Freese and Punto return (I'm very happy about both)
I hope this does not mean a demotion for Danny D or for T Greene.
Alas, poor Skip, I have been alternately very fond of you and have respect for you, but.
And little Carp, I hope you enjoyed the coffee; see ya next time
I'd bet on Greene going over Skip
not to say I’d be in favor of it (actually, I’m not too impressed by either of them) but I’d bet that’s what happens.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 9, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bet Descalso goes before Greene
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 9, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's because he survived Normandy.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
If Greene can get any semblance of power going,
I think he’d be pretty valuable. Over 200 plate appearances, with 11% walk rate the last two years with semblance of power + average fielding would be great.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
He looks out of whack at the plate.
I tend to believe—without out any foundation in any analysis—that high-strikeout batters need to be in the lineup every day to tap their full offensive potential.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 9, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
in that case
Memphis may be the place for him until either Skippy or Theriot is gone.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
fixed
Memphis may be the place for him until either Skippy or Theriot is gone.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
DanUp if you are always-watching
I think this
http://stlouis.sbnation.com/st-louis-cardinals/2011/6/9/2214995/albert-pujols-slump-st-louis-cardinals
has two "June"s in it
which I would usually figure was some kind of Amaury Marti Cazana thing
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So to smoke a smuldering fire....
I have been gone for a bit and not reading the site much lately so forgive me if I am stating something which has already been brought up.
But according to Baseball reference:
Boog is out performing The-RIOT in terms of WAR 0.8 to 0.0
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Of course he is.
It’s an odd numbered year.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
And Fangraphs has them even in war.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
It really sucks that Ryan didn't hit last year
All he had to hit was about .275 and I’m sure the team would have kept him.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
.984 fld% (tehehehehehe) and 4 errors....
vs .956 and 11 errors.
I’m terrible, I know I shouldn’t even look at let alone use fld%, but it makes my rose colored glasses argument that much more rosey.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
So, so, so, so bad in the field
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TyLER GREENE STARTING SS!!!
or Nick Punto
just get theriot off the position.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
BUT WE HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE
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(DESPITE THERIOT'S DEFENSE)
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Don't you dare correct me
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by mysterui on Jun 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Tyler geene is the like the only player on the Cardinals with a worse fielding % than Theriot!
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
don't give me fielding %
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
steamman brought it up...
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
sigh. . .
I’ll take “Grand Delusions” for $1000, Alex.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys are wearing me out today.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
He picked "Grand Delusions" not "Things Rui's Mom Says".
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 9, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
what's so grand about it?
he came back from it — and this was not a common surgery — in the middle of spring training, which incidentally cut that preparation short. or are we just going to run guys into the ground when they should be on the DL, then trade them for sucking? let’s throw out Kyle Lohse while we’re at it. when the original comment is “all he had to do was hit .275”, it’s not like it’s an enormous leap.
granted, the timing of the surgery was entirely his fault.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
haven't we said the same thing about joe mather who isn't exactly tearing it up in atlanta?
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Brendan Ryan's just not going to be a good, or even decent hitter
He’s a .250/.300/325 guy with incredible defense.
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which i will take
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
unless of course you're going to sell me
Troy Tulowitski on the cheap.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Nick Punto is essentially the same player.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
which I would also take
Punto is cheaper too. Since we are caring about DeWallet.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
This
and he’s apparently not an ADD head case in the clubhouse, as has been frequently and consistently alleged about Boog.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
18.4 UZR/150
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
career
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Boog at 8.8 UZR/150 for his career at SS
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in 2000 innings
Scattered over 8 years. Doesn’t really mean anything.
He’s a good defender for sure, but I don’t think he’s quite Boogian.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
yes, yes it is
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
this organization should never settle for a .262 career hitter at shortstop regardless of his defense
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 9, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
heh i see what you did.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
to be fair though
the 80’s were a time when Smith’s offense was more acceptable at the position.
look at all those wRC+ over 100.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Points for effort, I suppose
Different offensive eras, of course. In Ozzie’s first four seasons with the Cards, he put up OPS+s of 84, 82, 95, 101.
Boog’s first 4 seasons: 95, 59, 97, 58. His career OPS+ is 78, even giving him his good two months this season.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you guys are underrated Ozzie Smith's offense.
He was actually above average for a stretch.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
his best year was with a .352 wOBA when adjusted.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
That's kind of my point.
Ryan needed a .332 BABIP to get a .324 wOBA. So as much fun as it is to compare Smith to Ryan, it’s not exactly accurate.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
What were are you getting that?
I’m getting .357 in ’87. He had an above average wOBA relative to the league in eight seasons.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
in '91 he had a wRC+ of 122 which is his career high
so while he had a career high .357, the .352 wOBA was his best year when compared to the rest of the league.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
I think the wrist surgery was the main contributing factor in his hitting last year
And also considered in his trade. De Rosa and Mather all had issues coming back from wrist surgery, and it’s not like Brendan Ryan had a history of being a great hitter to begin with.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
and, because no one will seattlin' *remember* it
Brendan Ryan was out of options. Sending him down to Memphis to work on his swing was a no-go. So guess what, kids? He had to work on it vs. major league pitchers, with major league PAs. This might have affected his BA, perhaps.
Y’all disagree all you want, but if all you have is a sarcastic sigh, then all I have to say to you is Suck it, Trebek.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I wasn't disagreeing
Just suggesting that the club was aware of that when they made their decision to trade him.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
This
There is nothing in his hitting resume that would suggest that he is going to be more than a 250/300/325 hitter at the big league level. He has a career hitting line of 252/303/341 in 400+ PAs in AAA. He has 1500+ PAs in MLB with a career line of 258/315/340 – - that is pretty much his ceiling.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Worse players have had a better two months
You don’t seriously want me to counter with his worst two months, do you?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That's with a BABIP 40 points above his career average
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It was an odd numbered year.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
So?
With his defense, his ceiling is pretty fucking good. In any sense of statistical analysis, Ryan is better than Theriot.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
Not what we're arguing
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Are you arguing if Ryan can be a decent hitter?
Stupid,he was below average with ridiculous luck so I don’t really see an argument that he was even slightly below average hitter.
He’s a terrible hitter. It’s fine.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
And even if it was. . .
he’s 29 years old! Brendan Ryan is at his ceiling right now!
And oh, by the way, according to the numbers his defense has been either sub-par (-0.7 d(f)WAR) or middling (+0.1 d(b-r)WAR) this season.
Seriously, the best that you can say about Ryan is that he is a hitter who hits well every other season, who at times is a brilliant fielder, and at times one who has had trouble making the routine play.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You could also say he's a hell of a lot better than Theriot
Ergo, we should have kept .
BTW, his career WAR per 600 PA is 2.65. That’s really fucking good.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
the horse is dead
long live the horse
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 9, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can still eat the glue!
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
by streamman on Jun 9, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
more absurd baseball talk on the st. louis airwaves....
Fastlane: (on the subject of lineup moves) “putting Skip Schumaker in the OF to get him a start, now that is a commen sense move”….and no, they were not being sarcastic.
by mick311 on Jun 9, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We need to bat him leadoff as well
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i think all the broadcasters and radio hosts
Defend Schumaker because he is such a nice guy and makes himself so accessable to the media. I heard him on the radio doing interviews more than anyone in the offseason….I could be wrong but that seems like the reason to me, the guy has been horrible the last two seasons but no one ever questions why he is still in the lineup, much less on the team.
by mick311 on Jun 9, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From Royals Review's Critique of a piece championing Jeff Francoeur
The whole post is really worth reading. It’s titled, “The Legend of Jeff Francoeur’s Leadership Needs to Die.”
This is the part that your comment reminded me of:
So what is the lesson for life that Francoeur’s example truly gives us? Well, he does offer sparkling and spectacular evidence that one should be nice to reporters. Unfortunately, that applies to basically none of us. He also reminds us that, if you work in a heavily bilingual environment, it’s good to be one of the English speakers. Fair enough. And finally, he’s generically a hard worker. When I get off the train tomorrow at 8:45 I’ll be able to throw a rock and hit six hard workers with one throw. People work hard. Marginally useful I guess to be reminded of this.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 9, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone should call in and ask who to sit in favor of Skip.
Berkman? Craig? Jay? Rasmus?
All of those would be a huge dropoff.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
Nevermind, they probably want to trade Rasmus to get Skip starts.
That wouldn’t surprise me.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
I was about to say that they would likely advocate trading Rasmus for a second baseman,
and moving Skip to the outfield full-time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 9, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan Uggla and a Starter!!!
or andrew mccutchens
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Rasmus for Reyes
Move Theriot to Second, Skip to the 4th outfield…
That might actually net us a few wins.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
At least...
This years.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
and cost us millions in surplus value.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
which could be made up
with a world series Victory.
I do not care how much Mr. DeWitt has to pay.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Get Reyes: Guaranteed WS Victory
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I've got a better idea
Skip for Reyes!
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
They'll need a short stop
Better throw in Theriot.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
what a bargain
the Mets would be fools not to take it.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
throw in miguel batista just for the heck of it.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
I doubt it
FWIW, at least according to B-ref, Reyes and The Riot have the same -0.8 dWAR.
Reyes’ offense will come back to earth. He has never even been close to this good from a rate stat perspective.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Jay in Center + Reyes at short + Theriot at second > Rasmus in CF, Theriot at SS, and skippy at 2nd.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
it's a good thing that the world is going to end next year and so any future value won't matter.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
...
At least…
This year.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
I'm by no means suggesting we do the trade
just saying it’s not a completely insane thing. A lot of people believe if you are in a position to play for a championship you go all in. So I can see their point of view on it.
I would love to have Reyes. It would be great if Jay, Boggs + others could get the job done.
Theriot
Reyes
Pujols
Holliday
Berkman
Rasmus
Freese
Yadi
Pitcher
I mean, Towel please.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Wait
I thought you were giving up Rasmus for Reyes. Shouldn’t it be Jay in center then?
"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
read the part above the line up
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Yep
just noticed that
"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
that's a hell of a team
w/ Craig, Punto, Descalso, Walkman, & Cruz/Laird for the bench.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
I'd prefer Craig starting at second instead of Theriot
Reyes
Craig
Pujols
Holliday
Berkman
Rasmus
Freese
Yadi
Pitcher
For interleague, and if that team makes the WS, Jay in RF and Berkman at DH. Make those AL pitchers cry.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Poop.
I guess Jay would be traded to get Reyes. Because obviously the Mets wouldn’t ask for Rasmus or anything…
So, either M. Carp at DH or something like that? I dunno. Still a pants-soiling offense.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
it was mentioned that...
they think we need Reyes and that the piece that gets us Reyes is Rasmus, which you slide theriot to 2nd and skip and jay split time in center. (yes a lefty lefty platoon).
I listen to them daily, but I view it solely as a comedic variety show, the best show on the station is Bernie’s especially when he brings in the good one to speak.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
I didn't completely hear...
but I think Rasmus for Reyes was brought up again just now.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
stop reminding me there are people out there that think that.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
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@Codeeg
whose rug did Rasmus pee on over at 101 espn???
He is one of the best CFs in the league, he’s young and he costs us very little over the next few years! (Which is what makes all this talk so absurd! We are trying to keep payroll down to resign Pujols!)
by mick311 on Jun 9, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Conspiracy theory: Chris Duncan still resents him for usurping Ankiel's job in 2009.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Chris Duncan is actually one of the few guys over there I dont mind ...
Ive heard him defend Colby a few times when everyone else rips him, but Chris is pretty funny…he is always making fun of himself and how bad he was defensively, his weak arm, etc.
by mick311 on Jun 9, 2011 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah he and Simo aren't too bad.
Nobody on the fastlane should be allowed to talk baseball unless Goold is on the line.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I concur...
When I heard the announcement of who they were going to re-place Jack Clark with…. I audibly groaned at the mention of Big Chaw’s Christian name. But he has been the bright spot, especially with teasing himself and his pops.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
I've heard Chris Duncan
rip Rasmus a number of times. In fact, he might have been one of the loudest (if not the first) in recent memory anyway.
no...
the loudest and first has almost unquestionably been Van Slyke, without a doubt. Though I will give you that Dunc has pointed out a lack of focus on Colby’s part. Which he said he felt really bad about having to knock someone’s defense.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
Sounds like we heard the same interview.
Sorry, I was thinking more recently. I missed the Van Slyke comments.
And to be honest. . .
Colby has had some defensive lapses. Doesn’t mean that he should be traded, of course, but it’s not like he’s Willie Mays or Jim Edmonds out there.
Van Slyke has always kinda struck me as a prima donna ever since his comback-to-3B experiment died.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true...
the thing that gets me is this:
they all mention that he has great tools and he looks like he’s going to put it together and be a great player he’s just taking too long to do it, and his lapses just look bad. They will even go so far as to say that his poor positioning is a big contributor to the problem, and that the positioning is mostly the coaching staff’s fault.
Just because Ankiel tackled the left-center field wall and Edmonds was ridic Colby isn’t enough.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
[dramatic squirrel gif]
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
he isn't gritty enough
I believe is essentially what the issue is. He exhibits too much of the laid back carefree Colby vibe to him. There has been mention of J.D. Drew, also Van Slyke is not at all a fan.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
can I just say
I dislike the Rasmus/Drew comparisons….JD had already alienated an entire fanbase without playing a single inning long before he was ever a Cardinal.
There are some surface similarities (both white lefthanded outfielders) but I don’t actually think of those two as having much in common personality wise.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
I don't mind the comparison from a pure production standpoint.
8.9 fWAR in ‘04? Hmm, I’ll take that. Looking at his fangraphs page, he is wildly inconsistent.
I mean that from year-to-year, not month to month. Not many players go from 5.9 WAR to 1.9 WAR to 2.8 to 8.9 to 2.8 to 4.4
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
Does that mean we can trade Rasmus in 3 years for another Waino?
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
They're both quiet Southerners who don't often express emotion.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
Colby should have listend to Pujols a few years ago
when he told him the press are not his friends.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Skip Schumaker in center? HA!
Isn’t below average defensively in the corner outfielders? Seriously, people think he’s fast because his name is Skip, but he’s not that fast.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
ignore the grammar
Pile of suck right there.
Basically, if you had trouble comprehending – Skip = bad at LF/RF = awful at CF.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
ever hear of the proverbial frog in a boiling pot of water?
at some point they may listen to the idiots, this scares me a lot.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 9, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I have never heard of the proveribal frog a biolding pot of water
I really don’t like the direction this conversation has turned…
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Being as that you're and evil frog
I’m sure you’d figure a way out of it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
frankly....
I would like to have Reyes at short, I’m not shy to admit that. But I do not want Reyes at short at the expense of Rasmus in center, or MIller in 2. It is a wish of mine, but I try to couch it with a sense of reality.
If MO were to make such a trade… I would be dissapointed. In as much as I feel it would signal a lack of interest in keeping Pujols.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
More Wong
Pretty glowing review from some guy over at SI.com predicting a mid -2012 arrival in the bigs:
Kolten Wong, 2B, Cardinals
No. 22 overall, Hawaii
Skinny: He’s very advanced defensively and has the potential to be a Gold Glove-type player. Wong already is very close to having major league-ready defensive skills. He’s a mature player with good instincts. He doesn’t hit for much power but the Cardinals aren’t expecting that — their incumbent second baseman, Skip Schumaker, is only hitting .223 and has just one home run. Wong has the type of stroke that translates to coming to the big leagues quickly because it’s not long or loopy so he doesn’t figure to get fooled as often. All he needs are some wood bat at-bats. He doesn’t have great speed but there’s not a lot of holes in his game and his fundamentals are close to MLB-level right now.
Our incumbent second baseman will be Allen Craig.
We will lay waste to the NL Central with a power barrage.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 9, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
these years will be known as the Skip Schumaker era
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought we had a discussion about self flaggelation
by STLRegalia on Jun 9, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
something i pointed out yesterday on twitter
Kolton Wong has a .523 park/competition adjusted wOBA which is second in all of college baseball.
and the cape cod results make him look more like jose reyes. (22 SB in 36 games)
THE BATMAN
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President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
kolten has an e in there
…………well, that doesn’t bode well.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Who's first?
But that’s a great stat
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C.J. Cron
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"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Who is exclusively a 1B
So we take a 20 year old, who plays at least an average second base, with the second best adjusted wOBA in college, and he’s supposed to make it to the Majors quickly
WHAT A TERRIBLE PICK
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Admittedly, I hated the pick at the time too
But it’s really, really grown on me
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Have you read any of John Klima's words on him?
Loves Wong. http://baseballbeginnings.com/tag/kolten-wong
militia mea multiplex
i still don't love it
but it’s grown on me. it was just so clearly a draft for need type of thing. but it looks like they got it so that our last three first round picks are all gonna arrive around the same time.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
when do they expect him in the majors?
Sept 2012 cup of coffee, or spring training 2013?
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
Sounds about right
Assuming he signs quickly, he’ll probably start out at QC. End the year at PB. Go to Arizona Fall League. Start 2012 in Springfield, move up to Memphis mid-summer.
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September call up!
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
I've been kinda/sorta tracking the Wong stuff so far
I wonder how much of the reaction is tied to the fact that both Miller and Cox kind of unexpected fell to us and we snapped them up? Those were our last two first round picks. From what I can tell, it was reasonable to expect Wong to be drafted around the position we selected him at. So this was a more “conventional” pick, which is not nearly as exciting as the last two years. Was there a player who was available at the time that was comparable to Cox and Miller? Even if there was, is it reasonable to expect the Cardinals to pick that guy and be disappointed of they don’t?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Yes
Guerreri, who was a top 10 pick on a lot of boards.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Ah ha!
See, that was the missing piece of the puzzle for me. I honestly just didn’t know if there was a player like that still available, who everyone was screaming “please pick that guy, he’s still on the board!”
So the whole thing makes more sense with this bit of info.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
there were a lot of arms with higher upside than wong
the thing that a lot of people didn’t like about the pick is that
it’s a high floor-low ceiling pick.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Low ceiling is kind of unfair, right?
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maybe medium ceiling
but he doesn’t have ton of potential was my point.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
sigh. . .
what is a ton of potential?
Is he ever going to be Albert Pujols? Almost certainly not.
Could he be Placido Polanco (40.6 career fWAR) or Gregg Jefferies (21.9 career fWAR)? Those don’t seem like unreasonable ceilings, and those guys had quite a bit of value as MLBers.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What i mean is he won't be a 5 WAR player each year like Cano, Pedroia, etc.
he’ll probably be a 2 WAR guy who tops out at 4 WAR once or twice if lucky.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
...wasn't Pedroia a low-ceiling guy when drafted?
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not sure
heres a scouting report i found
Small infielder had a tremendous career at Arizona State. Average power for a middle infielder, with good bat speed and excellent plate discipline. Loves the game and has fantastic instincts. Plays top-notch defense up the middle, he was named the 2003 Collegiate Defensive Player of the Year. Very scrappy, said to be a great teammate. Oozes confidence. Has pro experience at both shortstop and second base; likely will stick at 2B through his big league career. Coming out of the minors, scouts projected Pedroia as a dependable second baseman at the major league level. However, he has proven to be an all-star caliber player early on in his career.
also there’s this mlb.com article
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20040607&content_id=763857&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
they sound a lot a like when i read the reports.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Right. Pedroia's probably better defensively
Offense was basically even coming into the draft
I see no reason why Wong can’t be considered high-ceiling
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Wong is comparable to Cox, right?
I mean, aside from the name, wisenheimers.
Professional Hitter, amirite?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 9, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Something like that, yeah
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you can see the rest here
http://www.collegesplits.com/cgi-bin/csLeaders.cgi?conf=DIV&bp=b&stat=wOBA&adj=b
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Don't tell me what I can do.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 9, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could this post be any more Wong?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
holy crap
I just had the horrible realization that we had Jeff Suppan on this team last year – and Randy Winn
\shudders
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
And neither were terrible for us!
Pedro Feliz on the other hand…
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
stav and miles
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Cruz above Rasmus!
FSMidwest: #stlcards lineup: Theriot-6, Jay-9, Pujols-5, Berkman-7, Hamilton-3, Cruz-2, Rasmus-8, Greene-4, Lynn 1
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Yes. On ESPN2 at 9:00 PM
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THOSE SEATS BETTER ALL HAVE STICKERS ON THEM
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Oh, they fucking do
And it’s for their iPhone app so you can “check in” to your seats, a la foursquare
Was not worth it
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ok now I'm
all hot. now if only the Heat bus would get stuck at a red light for 4 hours before the game.
Oh I was lying
But you should still watch ESPN2 at 9:00 pm
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Oh FFS
Messing with my damn head
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
9PM?
Why so late?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I should not have done this
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he's lying, he's trying to trick us into watching soccer.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Heh
I am actually gonna be watching the US match
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh shit
My brain lied to me….not watching MLS
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 6:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, Colby sucks against lefti....
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
is that Hamilton's first start?
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
answering my own question....
first start this year. I forgot he had two starts last year.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
blow up the defense
the ire of Carp will come out blazing out of the dugout for Lynn!
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
I can see breaking up Rasmus and Hamilton...
but how does Hamilton get the fifth spot?
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
starting greene at second and theriot at ss
/sigh, baby steps
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
AAA lineup!
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
lol I fucking love this team
Crazy tony >>> pure-dumbass tony
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on Jun 9, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there are 3 first basemen starring in our lineup tonight
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on Jun 9, 2011 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
needs more craig
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@Codeeg
This game is going to suck, right?
2011 WAR watch: Theriot = 0.7, Boog = 0.7 as of Jun 06
Bilingual Twitter
no skippy
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Well, sure, with that attitude.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 9, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
what in the holy hell kind of lineup is this
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
This is innacurate, right?
On Saturday and Sunday he hit walkoff homers in consecutive games, the first NL player to do so since the Cubs’ Ron Santo in 1966.
I mean not only is the fact that he didn’t specify that it was extra-inning, but even if he did, Albert Belle did it in 1996. I must’ve heard that bit of trivia 50,000 times.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
bleh caught "NL"
Nobody has hit consecutive walkoffs since 1966? I wonder if that’s true or if he just left out extra inning.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
Walkoffs are rare
Two walkoffs are rarer
Two walkoffs in consecutive games are rarer still
Two walkoffs in consecutive games by the same player are rarest
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in extra innings
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"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Ortiz had two extra inning walkoffs in a row in the 2004 ALCS, only one by HR, though.
But he did become the first player with two walkoff HRs in a postseason that year.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Gary Bennett had two consecutive walk-off hits against the Cubs in 2006
but only one was a home run. It was still awesome.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 9, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
the legendary sno-cones.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
linked to the Joplin efforts
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/6/9/2216035/cardinals-and-royals-in-teams-unite-for-joplin
I would just like to note that I only see one of Freese’s ankles.
!!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wainwright only has a left arm.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
SO AMAZING
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He has to watch him fuckin a man?
That does suck
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
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"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
Adam Kennedy batting third for the Mariners
Lol
"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
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"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 9, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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Bud Norris Career Numbers vs. St. Louis
I thought folks would find this illuminating. Is Norris a Cardinal killer? Judge below:
02-Aug-2009 7IP, 2H, 0ER, 5SO, 4BB (WIN)
23-Sep-2009 6IP, 6H, 0ER, 3SO, 2BB (WIN)
15-Apr-2010 5IP, 4H, 1ER, 9SO, 3BB (WIN)
13-May-2010 8IP, 6H, 1ER, 9SO, 0BB (WIN)
09-Jul-2010, 7.2IP, 7H, 5ER, 4SO, 1BB (LOSS)
03-Aug-2010, 6IP, 7H, 4ER, 6SO, 1BB (WIN) – somehow Houston scored 18 runs…
26-Apr-2011 6IP, 7H, 3ER, 6SO, 2BB (WIN)
18-May-2011 5IP, 7H, 5ER, 4SO, 3BB (LOSS)
08-Jun-2011 8IP, 1H, 1ER, 2SO, 5BB (WIN)
Bud Norris’s totals against St. Louis are therefore:
7-2 Win/Loss
58.2 IP
3.09 ERA
48-21 SO/BB
Does this make him a Cardinal Killer? Nope… but I prefer avoiding him when possible.
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