Kolten Wong And MLB Draft Strategies
Here's why the Kolten Wong pick is better than the Pete Kozma pick: There are MLB Draft strategies that could reasonably justify the pick. With Pete Kozma—and Chris Lambert before him—the Cardinals seemed to take players who represented the worst of every strategy; Kozma was young and far away from the Major Leagues and he combined that with a low upside that had at least one contemporary scouting report, as I recall, calling him a future utility infielder. If you want polished players close to the Majors, at least take the ones that grade out as future starters and do it in the near future; if you want high school projectability, take a guy with some tools.
Wong is all the way in the safe-pick direction, but safe picks have value when they actually seem safe; Wong put up great numbers in college, improving after the bats were supposedly deadened this season, and like Zack Cox before him there's a nice second base career path that involves doing the Skip Schumaker thing better than Skip Schumaker. (In Wong's case it seems like that might be average defense with better secondary batting skills than Schumaker.)
I've never turned down a high-upside prep pitcher, but this system is defined primarily, at this point, by its two high-upside pitchers; past Zack Cox the position-player situation is dire, and while I don't think you should ever draft for Major League need the Cardinals faced a system, ahead of the draft, that would look almost entirely barren if the next lottery-ticket high schooler didn't pan out—and they faced it with no supplemental picks.
I'm still looking for the next impact hitter to reach the system—I didn't think Zack Cox was that guy last year, and I don't think Kolten Wong is that guy, either. But I've managed to block out all the scouting report cruft about his scrap and hustle, his ability to make things happen, by thinking about his ability to produce those words' sabr equivalents. Let's say I don't care whether or not Wong has the ability to make things happen by diving head-first into the on-deck circle; he still has a chance to be the kind of player who creates value by not making bad things happen. If he fills the WAR ingredients on Baseball Reference with +5s across the board I can't complain.
That said, I'd like some upside somewhere—whether internationally or in the later rounds of the draft, it would be nice to see some of the money the Cardinals won't be spending on supplemental picks go to good use on somebody we can dream on in Johnson City or the Dominican Summer League while Wong hits .300/.400/.400 in the Quad Cities.
(Incidentally, while we talk about the Fernando Viña comparisons, can someone tell me how a guy who hit like this in the minor leagues put together those 2000 and 2001 seasons? At that rate of improvement Pete Kozma would hit 25 home runs as the surprise starter at shortstop in 2012.)
(Please, Cardinals, don't be relying on that at shortstop in 2012.)
Meanwhile, back in the 2010 MLB Draft:
Zack Cox (25th) has been pretty good! But that's all. After an awful start in Palm Beach he put together a hot streak that got him moved to Springfield; in Springfield he stayed hot for a moment and then cooled off. To date he's hitting .314/.372/.417 in his age-22 season. If you want to compare him to our last not-quite-exciting top hitting prospect, Brett Wallace hit .293/.367/.455 between AA and AAA and also struck out considerably more often than I was anticipating.Still not sure I like Cox given the price the Cardinals paid, but it looks like he'll stick at third base.
Seth Blair (46th) was the Cardinals' latest experiment in selecting not-as-polished-as-you'd-think college starters, and so far he's looked a lot like a not-as-polished-as-you'd-think high school starter, with 30 strikeouts and 28 walks in 36 innings for Quad Cities.
Tyrell Jenkins (50th) was The High-Upside One in the 2010 draft's *NSYNC cover band. He hasn't yet made an appearance in his age-18 season. He's due to make a short-season appearance when those clubs open for business.
Jordan Swagerty (75th) has fared much better than his ASU stablemate, putting together a 30:2 K:BB ratio before he moved on to high-A Palm Beach. Like Jess Todd before him he's putting up dominating numbers in the low minors as a starter while he awaits the seemingly inevitable return to the bullpen.
Samuel Tuivailala (106th) hasn't made an appearance since cratering in his age-17 debut in the GCL. 2011 level, position, and pronunciation TBD.
Cody Stanley (139th) is putting up a solid-and-unspectacular season in the Quad Cities, hitting .281/.341/.419. That he's a catcher and that he's 22 in the Quad Cities probably cancel each other out.
Nicholas Longmire (169th) has had better years.
John Gast (199th) has been average, but that pick-off move is still pretty awesome.
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All the outliers that aren’t teal or light blue are utter BS, needs moar data.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Quaker?
I ’ardly know ’er!
totes babes
by Aranathor on Jun 7, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
when did that ever stop anybody?
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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
in Sullivan, I think.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
people in Springfield claim to have felt it
Illinois.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah I live in Union and my wife felt it and she and my dogs woke me up
I’m sort of a deep sleeper
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 7, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember the one from 3 years ago that was clear over by Evansville, IN.
That woke me up. The whole house shook, my wife/then gf was pretty freaked out by it. Evidently they don’t have those or tornadoes in Maine.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Do they have anything in Maine
Don’t the Hurricanes stop south of them too? I mean really that has to be awesome to be in like the only place in the country without any real threat of Natural Disasters
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 7, 2011 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They get hurricanes. usually the tailend of them.
Nova Scotia get’s hit by them and occasionally NewFoundland. Mostly it’s cold and snow is what they get. Caribou, Maine and International Falls, Minn are the two coldest places in winter. Although RR might dispute that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Meant to say *two of the coldest*
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
HFS that's what that was
I just assumed someone down the street had their speakers blaring with the bass shaking the windows. This makes much more sense.
I’m in Columbia btw so it was obvz very mild.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Jun 7, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i think i might have felt that.
i was up and it felt like something slammed in to the house, kind of freaked me out. then nothing else happened, so i just went back to playing video games.
What is messed up is...
I had a dream last night about earthquakes,,, I just remembered upon seeing your post…
even stranger…
I live in Ct.
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
here's an interesting fact
According to this article: http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/sportsnews/20110607_Making_the_right_call.html
Wong’s father played with McGwire at USC.
Completely OT, but I need VEB literary help
Going on business trip Thursday. Lots of plane time and hotel time sans wife and kid, so a good book is in my future. Question is, which one? That’s where VEB comes in. Post your suggestions.
Some info to help you help me:
I can handle Hemingway
I cannot handle Faulkner
IMHO, The poisonwood bible sucked
Tolkien is a literary god
I’ve read all Tolkien has to offer, but not much else in the “fantasy” genre
Yay Potter, Boo Gunslinger (to be fair, I should give dark towers another chance at
some point)
I like Dan Brown (sue me)
I like history
Ok? Go
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by VolsnCards5 on Jun 7, 2011 8:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
for a good history read,
Ron Chernow’s newish biography of George Washington is pretty good, especially as a single volume. On a related note, his similar work on Alexander Hamilton is excellent.
Go with James Rollins'
SIGMA Force Series – if you’re a Dan Brown fan.
The Hunger Games Series by Suzanne Collins.
My personal favorite is The Ender’s Game Series by Orson Scott Card.
by stlfan on Jun 7, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ender's game
what a great series that is. It got a little out there at the end, but ender’s game and ender’s shadow are remarkably entertaining.
another series I love independently and prior to the movie adaptations is the bourne trilogy by ludlum. really very little in common with the movies, action packed, well written.
and yes, lurker whatever… I’m around and reading. just did a case like buster posey required.
I liked the rest of the Ender's series as well...
but it did get a little out there. Hit a bit of anthropology and sociology in there along with the science fiction.
Follett's Pillars of the Earth series
is a good one
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: The Riot 6, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, Berkman 9, Craig/Punto 4, Molina 2, DD/Lil Carp 5, pitcher (Get well soon, Mr. Freese)
yep
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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Blood Meridian
by Cormac McCarthy, who wrote No Country for Old Men.
This is definitely his pinnacle work. Got a hint of Faulkner in it, but there is riveting plot/narrative.
I was going to recommend Cormac McCarthy
depending on the length of the trip and amount of free time, something like “The Road” might be more accessible and easier to finish. Although, “Blood Meridian” was nigh life-altering for me.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Other way into his work is the border trilogy
The first, All the Pretty Horses is very accessible, also turned into a movie….the guy can churn out dramatic material, I guess
I just started the Border Trilogy.
I have yet to be disappointed by Cormac McCarthy.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Me too!
Blood meridian is incredible. No Country For Old Men is a great read, actually, and enjoyable even if you’ve already seen the movie.
Definitely a good way to branch out for a guy who enjoys Hemingway.
And The Road. The Road and Blood Meridian are my favorites.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
I was going to recommend this book...
until I saw the comment about not liking Faulkner. I’m not sure anyone who didn’t like Faulkner could enjoy Cormac McCarthy.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Blood Meridian is AWESOME!
It’s a dark, dark, dark book, but who cares? I’m usually not into fiction, but reading and finishing that book made me wish I was. It’s amazing to me the way McCarthy can say so much with so few words. And the judge… what a remarkable character.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I recently finished Blood Meridian
and came across a really cool album by Ben Nichols, the lead singer of Lucero, a Southern-style rock band from Memphis.
It’s really short (27 min or so), but it’s really cool if you’re into Blood Meridian. The entire album is all about the book, with song titles such as “The Judge,” “The Kid,” “Davy Brown,” “Toadvine,” “Tobin,” and “The Last Pale Light in the West.”
This dude tells the Blood Meridian story incredibly well. I highly recommend this album to anyone who enjoyed the book.
Stan Musial: An American Story
by George Vescey
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Assuming you want at least one big fat book, and
would be happy with more if you like the first one:
NONFICTION – Robert Caro’s biography of Lyndon Johnson – in progress (everybody’s hoping he finishes vol 4 before he dies of old age), but each of the 3 volumes out is pretty well free-standing. The best is vol 3, “Master of the Senate”
FICTION – LeCarre’s espionage novels. My favorite is Smiley’s People.
Mervyn Peake’s Gormenghast trilogy (fantasy noir)
Dorothy Dunnett’s House of Niccolo series (historical)
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Our reading tastes probably differ a lot but I've been reading a lot of Charles DeLint stuff recently.
He writes fantasy and a lot of short stories. Any of his Newford collections are always good.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
If you absolutely love Tolkien...
the first book of the Wheel of Time (The Eye of the World) should satiate you. It’s pretty much the exact same type of writing, and the writer is as good as Tolkien if not better imo.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I do no regret starting this series
I’m on Shadow Rising (or The Shadow Rises, or whatever it’s called. I could go check the cover to see but eh, it’s all the way over there). Good fantasy series so far. Not too pretentious. Not too weird and out there. Nobody has sex in other dimensions with werewolf goddesses in spectral dimensions yet, no all-too-obvious political or religious tones/agendas that I can tell. Fun stuff. I actually prefer the parts that focus on the supporting characters so far, that’s my only complaint.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Another series you would enjoy.
I enjoy it as well.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Tolkien >>>>>> Jordan
IMHO the first 3-4 books of the WOT series are excellent, but it just bogs down after a while. The first book is a bit like the first Matrix movie, in the sense that the intro to the bigger story kicks way more ass than the rest of it does. I think I finally gave up after the 8th book, and they’re up to, what, 12 giant books now and it still isn’t finished?
Tolkien OTOH was actually creating his universe first (languages, cultures, history, creation story/eschatology) and only then started telling stories out of it, so there’s this depth to it that I have never gotten out of any other fantasy writer. Just my $.02…
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
I will agree, the middle 7-9 books can be quite boring at times, but the ending books (Even without Jordan writing them) are quite more exciting.
As for Tolkien’s universe, I suppose that his accomplishments are perhaps more broader, as in he created a much more in depth universe. However, as I’m sure you’ve noticed, WoT books are pretty thick. It’s preposterous how much Jordan writes in a single book (Before Jordan died, he planned to put the normal amount of 3 WoT books into one giant book, ridiculous), but it adds quite a bit of depth to the universe as well as the characters. Also my 2c.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Steven Erickkson
The Malazan book of the fallen. It’s epic, he does a fantastic job world building,And the Main series is best of all…….finished.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
FWIW
This might be the my favorite series. The first book is mostly a self-contained story so you should get the satisfaction of resolution of most of the plot without having to read the whole series.
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I have it slightly ahead of GRRM's game of throne series
Mainly because Erickson understands deadlines. The Esselmont books are hit or miss but I did enjoy Return of the Crimson Guard.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I really liked the His Dark Materials series
The Golden Compass is good, but the 2nd and 3rd are pretty incredible…
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
Correct
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I liked the first one better than the other two
I enjoyed The Subtle Knife, but thought the last one was not great.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 7, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
So you like fantasy, you can handle Hemingway, you like history, but Faulkner is too much, huh?
You should try Moby Dick. It’s an awesome, if a little unconventional, historical fantasy novel set in an embellished version of the American 19th century whaling industry. One man, swept up by the ineffable pull of fate, sets out on a journey… a journey on a boat!… a journey led by a mad captain’s drive for revenge against a god-like sea monster. There’s adventure, memorable characters, and wacky scenes where people cover themselves in this goopy white stuff that comes out of whale’s heads… OK, it sounds pretty weird. But it’s a fantastic book.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
It's like The Old Man and the Sea combined with Paradise Lost.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
It's overly freaking wordy
It’s one of those classics………that I hate. That and the Scarlet Letter are errrghhhhh inducing.
If you want to read classic fantasy a Conneticut Yankee in King Arthurs Court by Mark Twain is a good read.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Well, yeah, it's kind of a different style
But I really started to like it once I got used to it. It helped that I read it for a college course, so I was kind of already in a “old literature” reading mode.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I just don't like the American Gothic literature
Some people dig it and it’s cool, I’d just rather read Ivanhoe or Don Quixote, pretty much anything but The Scarlett Letter,Lord of the RIngs, or the Scarlet Letter.
Thats like my unholy trinity of literature, even though I’ve read all 3, none of them were, my cup of tea. So to speak.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Read it in college
Eh…wordiness is not a endearing trait for
Me
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 7, 2011 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Moby Dick is not a story that you read for pleasure, I have to say.
I absolutely enjoyed studying it though, and the things that Melville insinuates are fascinating. The book itself is so ridden with imagery and figurative language that the sheer length makes me wonder if anyone could write a book such as that ever again.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
My picks from different genres
Across the Nightingale Floor (1st book in The Tales of the Otori series) by Lian Hearn – Pseudo Japanese feudal stuff’ so if you’re not interested in that time period I’d pass. The first book is short but they get longer as you get toward the fifth and final book.
The Alienist or Angel of Darkness by Caleb Carr – Both are about an early American psychiatrist and cases involving serial killers. Think Sherlock Holmes without the British schtick and in my opinion much better written. Good historical fiction.
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant by Stephen R. Donaldson – 9 books in the series (3 trilogies) and the first 6 especially are good. I’ve had a hard time getting through books 7 and 8. Haven’t bought book 9 yet.
Any of Dale Brown’s book but especially the Old Dog series. Flight of the Old Dog, Sky Masters, and Night of the Hawk are some of my favorites. Good technical writing from a former Air Force captain and pretty good stories too.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 7, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed on both Donaldson and Dale Brown.
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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I read a historical fiction
called The Whiskey Rebels by David Liss that was pretty good. I like Inglis Fletcher as well. My people were in North Carolina during that time frame so it’s interesting to me anyway.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The entire Dresden Files
They’re like a less kiddie, more gritty-and-realistic, but still-whimsical-and-Dan-Browny version of Harry Potter.
The audiobooks are excellent.
DO IT OR I KILL YOU
Have you read any
Of Simon R Greens Tales from the Nightside? It’s like an even more grown up Dresden files. :p
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
There pretty short
Generally coming in at a bit under 300 pages. So there not a major time investment. Unless you try to read all of them at once. lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
You've probably read Devil in the White City, but if not you should get on that immediately.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
Fire & Ice books will see u through a lots of long plane flights....
…and are very good, if you like swords-n-sorcery fantasy. Udderwise, go for a classic history, Theucydides, Seutonius, etc. History + sword battles = good plane flight stuff!
:=8)
Griebenschmaltz!
An-udder good fantasy pick:
The Deed of Paksennarian – its a trilogy, and a good one.
Griebenschmaltz!
The Tale of Krispos is pretty good too.
As well as Mark Chadbourns Swords of Albion.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I'm reading Flags of our Fathers
Prefect for this time of year.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
The War
I’m not the biggest Ken Burns fan in the world, but I like to watch his WW II piece this time of the year.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Read Unbroken last week.
Which was a pretty amazing story, though a little hard to get through in the middle because not a single fucking thing went right for the main character for like five years straight.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
That's a great book
that was ruined by the movie adapted from it. It’s impossible to do that book justice on screen, but I know a lot of people who won’t read it after seeing the movie. Sad.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
haven't seen the movie yet.
I’m surprised it’s that bad since it’s a Clint Eastwood movie.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not necessarily bad, it's just a let down
The book is remarkable and it tells such a huge story that filming it would’ve been a challenge regardless. The amazing thing to me about the book was the way Bradley was able to fuse both the story of the men in the photo with the story of his father’s experiences state-side after the war with his own recollections of living with his “hero” father, and do it all in a rather short volume. Trying to unpack all of that in a 2 1/2 hour film is a tall order and the movie didn’t do any of it justice. It was like a greatest hits of the book film, and the combat scenes were amateurish, in my opinion.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Sands of Iwo Jima
was the much better movie, and it had much more to do with the overall theme of Flags of our Fathers than the movie bearing that name. Mainly introspection and reflection.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Do you mean...
…Letters from Iwo Jima or Sands of Iwo Jima? Sands is the John Wayne one.
I’ve never seen Sands of Iwo Jima but liked Letters a lot. Letters presents a much more varied portrait of the Japanese than one usually sees in WWII-Pacific films.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant Sands of Iwo Jima, the John Wayne movie
It’s a pretty good film.
I agree on Letters. You don’t see the Japanese side of the conflict given very often.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It's not a bad movie
It’s just not the book, it’s based on the book, with a lot of stuff left out. And the focus really is less on the book’s overall theme and more on Iwo Jima itself.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Have you read any of Jeff Shaara's stuff?
Pretty good if you like history, especially military history. He’s done series/books on the Civil War, WW I, WW II, and I think just came out with one on the Revolutionary war.
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 7, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No I havent
More of a civil war history and biography guy. Je sounds good thiugh
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 7, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
reading on the internet is an adventure.lol
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
As someone who works in a bookstore
If you’re going in the literary/classics direction, check out John Dos Passos, and perhaps some less dense Joseph Conrad.
“Fantasy,” check out Game of Thrones – it’s one of those things where you really can’t go wrong.
As for history, in more contemporary settings check out Jessica Stern’s Terror in the Name of God (an interesting look at the motivations of religious terrorists); going farther back, Candice Millard’s The River of Doubt is one of the most engrossing nonfiction books I’ve ever read, and incontrovertible proof Teddy Roosevelt was one bad mofo. As one other VEBer said, it’s the perfect time of year for Flags of Our Fathers (although there’s never really a bad time).
by monkeysareblue on Jun 7, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If you love Tolkien
You should probably get started on George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire series, aka the books that the new HBO series “Game of Thrones” is based on.
A couple of other suggestions. If you like Hemingway, a good contemporary (at least in my view) are Franzen’s last two books, The Corrections and Freedom. I just finished Freedom on a similar trip earlier this spring — it’s a fantastic read, and it’s paced nicely in that you can pick it up, read for a while, then set it down and get back to it later without having to skim the previous chapter to remember minute details of what is going on.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
From a history teacher...
You like history! Be still my heart!
- Anything by Joseph Ellis is worth reading. Seriously, anything. He writes about the founding generation and manages to unpack their complicated lives in a simple, yet informative, style. He’s not hagiographic either, which is always good. Founding Brothers is his best-known book.
- King Leopold’s Ghost by Adam Hochschild is a good one about a window of history that isn’t talked about a whole lot. It’s about the Belgian imperial efforts in the Congo.
- Guns, Germs, and Steel is a pretty good introduction to world history (which is a distinct discipline of history and NOT merely the history of disparate places other than the US), if not a particularly scholarly tome. Still, it’s very interesting.
- David Brion Davis’s Inhuman Bondage is about the institution of slavery in the Atlantic world. It’s goal is to be scholarly but he writes in an easily accessible style.
- Finally, The Battle Cry of Freedom is a lenghty, one-volume look at the Civil War. It’s a long book, 800+ pages, but James McPherson is an engaging writer and the Civil War is an event that commands attention anyway.
So, those are my tips… Hope they are of some use.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on Guns, Germs, and Steel
I had forgotten about that one. Time to go back and read it again. And I’ll have to check out The Battle Cry of Freedom. I’ve been looking for a good one-volume Civil War book.
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 7, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I say give The Name of the Wind a shot.
It’s book 1 of the Kingkiller Chronicles trilogy (3rd book not available yet). Fantasy epic about the youth of a genius-hero.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jun 7, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I've noted these before
But I really like Joe Abercrombie’s First Law trilogy, which begins with The Blade itself. Vivid, bloody and funny.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 7, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Virtually any title by Alan Furst
Espionage and resistance in the Nazi era; set in France or Eastern Europe.
Sensational novels and great, quick reads.
This is Awesome
I rarely post but often read the comments. I realize that because the game thread has been up for hours no one will ever see this but this list of comments about interesting books is awesome! I’m really impressed with the posters here and their knowledge of books and literature. I can’t wait to dive into a bunch of these.
by 51 on Jun 7, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
David Foster Wallace
Is/was pretty much the Albert Pujols of modern literature/reporting. I would start with some nonfiction first, probably Consider the Lobster. I guess if you feel brave though and your trip is supposed to last a while, pick up Infinite Jest. I kind of carry it around like a bible or summat, reading passages whenever I need a lil pick-me-up.
You only did it so that you could wear terry underwear and feel the city air run past your body
by lunchboxbomb on Jun 8, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Si, si
As soon as I posted that I immediately wanted to change “reporting” to “journalism,” as it’s more apt.
Recommended sports (tennis) reading:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sports/playmagazine/20federer.html
You only did it so that you could wear terry underwear and feel the city air run past your body
From what I've read, I'm ok with this pick.
I’m not thrilled or bummed. Just ok.
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Oh, and please see my sig if you'd like to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project
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Right so
me and CG will be meeting in a couple of hours, i need to know if there is anything i really need to do / not do that will freak out you ’mericans?
…
i’m not going to whip it out, fritz.
totes babes
Don't kill me.
Or my friend’s dad will hunt you down.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
isn't he british?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
whatever you consider Northern Ireland to be.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm
I would assume being British would require being from the island of Great Britain. I don’t know if Northern Irish people consider themselves Irish though.
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions
That's kinda the whole reason for all the bombs and such.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Although I may need somewhere to lie down or something at this point.
This train is making me feel sick.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Try to find a slice of lemon and suck on it.
It will make you feel better.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
We kiss on the lips rather than the cheeks in greeting...
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always with tongue
i repeat ALWAYS
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Don't fret it
Americans go abroad in order to be shocked and humiliated.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Or to blow shit up
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
by mob16151 on Jun 7, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's one of the basic tenets of Americanism, isn't it?
I think its in the Bill of Rights somewhere.
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 7, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're wearing a gorilla mask, right?
That’s the traditional American greeting.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 7, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And we expect you to be dressed exactly as Austin Powers would be.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It did not.
Apparently British people do not keep a gorilla mask handy. Who knew? All in all I think it was a very nice afternoon/evening. We were 15 minutes late for the Beatles museum but we went to some pubs and had a nice dinner. Good conversation about various topics both baseball and non-baseball related. Aranathor can throw in his two cents later as well, but I think it went pretty well.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
this
CG is a lovely person, i have very high standards for VEBers now, you all better hope you can meet them.
totes babes
I am also a lovely person.
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I'm a genuinely awful human being.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you lived in Manchester
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So far I am being kissed on the lips by a man in a gorilla mask.
You should have known better than to ask VEB, Aranathor.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Take her to one of the 102,347 Starbucks in London.
Other than the long line, she will feel like she is in America.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I stopped into a Starbacks in Paris last week
I can vouch that, yes, it felt a lot like America. A solid 75% of the text in the place was even in English. I think they just have one warehouse full of Starbucks stuff that they furnish all their stores with.
Yeah.
The menus are in French but most of the merchandise and cups and stuff have English on them.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Don't try to feed her
the “pepperoni” pizza available over there.
Whipping it out is so 2010.
Take a picture of your junk and tweet it to her. That’s how we roll now.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do they have an app for that?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
You have your pick of the Twitter apps.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Thank the Maker that I don't have cell service way out here.
I’d be in sooooo much trouble.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
already did
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Then take care of young'un! How goes that, btw?
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He's up to 11.5 lbs and 22 inches.
So he’s gained almost 8 lbs and 5 inches and he just turned 3 months Sunday. Whe you figure for CGA (corrected gestational age) he’s actually only 2 months old but he’s doing things in the 3-4 month category. He can hold his up and still while he sits and as long as I hold him steady he can already stand up on his own. That’s the part that blows my mind.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That's great!
I’m glad it’s going so well.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Thanks.
And I’m glad that your excursion is going well.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That's awesome.
Hopefully in 6 months or so we’ll be in the same place with our little one. He can already lift his head to look around and raise both shoulders to flip side to side. Crazy how coordinated he actually is.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 7, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
you gotta get up pretty early in the morning
to whip it out?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
pretty much
Now with the kid, I hardly sleep.lol My wife has an actual job where she has to deal with other people so I try to get up with the kid at night and save her that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I'd be planting right now but I'm waiting for the service truck to come and fix a flat tire.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to the future!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that might be rushing things
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
are you bringing your pet octopus?
remember to perform the traditional Alabama cartwheel dance with fried Twinkies
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on Jun 7, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Kolten Wong links
http://baseballbeginnings.com/2011/03/07/kolten-wong-update
http://baseballbeginnings.com/2011/04/04/kolten-wong-interview
http://baseballbeginnings.com/2011/04/06/kolten-wong-video-2
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/4/7/2097061/college-hitters-for-2011-draft-part-three
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2011/2611568.html
http://baseballbeginnings.com/2011/05/05/kolten-wong-video-3
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by mysterui on Jun 7, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You forgot SBN's Wong post,
His college stats from the University of Hawaii show that exact player, a career .358 hitter with 103 walks to 63 strikeouts and increasingly solid plate discipline. Wong had an especially strong adjustment to the weakened aluminum bats used in college baseball this season, improving his average from .357 to .378 while holding his power numbers steady.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Thanks for the video links.
- He looks pretty comfortable swinging wood already, much more than what I saw from Cox last year. I guess playing in the Cape Cod league probably helped quite a bit.
- The way he takes his rips you would think that he’d have quite a bit more power than most are projecting, and I can see where the Baerga comparisons come in — stocky, think build but whips the bat through the zone and keeps the front side closed to square up the outside pitch.
- I was really impressed with his quick release in the fielding drills. Most reports are that his arm is not all the impressive, but if he can pick it and get rid of it that quickly with at least some steam on it that would make up for having less than a cannon, one would think.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I keep hearing reports that he tore up the Cape league with wood
I thought this was typically a strong indicator of ability.
He was the Cape Cod League MVP last year.
Previous winners include Justin Smoak and Evan Longoria…….and a bunch of other guys that I’ve never heard of.
But it does mean that he’s had some success with the wood bat, so I guess that’s a plus.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think Robert Stock did really well in Cape Cod a few years ago didn't he?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea.
But he’s a pitcher, not a catcher. I just wish they’d move him to the bullpen already.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
tom s. mentioned the other day
he has a rumored 99mph fastball. That’s much more interesting than his .662 OPS across ~600 PAs in A ball.
Stock at 99?
http://www.futureredbirds.net/2009/06/09/cards-crhp-robert-stock-67th/
Never heard that. Every report I read said he sat low-nineties.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 7, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
88-92 hitting 95
probably the arm every SS and Catcher has
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
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not every
i meant a lot of them can.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
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@Codeeg
I was going to say.
I mean, not to single anyone out or anything, but, um, yeah, I don’t think every MLB shortstop has a good arm.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
annoyed he’s semi-blocking Stanley, too – not that I think he’s a great prospect, but he’s (IIRC) 22 and we need to know what we’ve got in him.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
also
by the time they’ve moved Stock, he’ll have not been working on his pitching for a long time, and will arguably have less time to develop secondary stuff and get to the majors. They really should’ve done it over the winter when he had time to work on all this. It’s frustrating.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
First-Round Picks
It’s probably a bit of carryover from the other professional leagues, where first-rounders help your team immediately, coupled with the ability to dream of a player, in a few years, becoming the next [good major-league player who is the same race and build as the draftee]. Relative praise such as “best on the board,” “best in the darft,” “best college bat,” or “best high-school arm” doesn’t hurt at all, either. The Cardinals did themselves little favors by drafting such players in years past, players that could be impact players in St. Louis. Wallace, Miller—especially Miller—and maybe Cox, who, while not a future Hall-of-Famer received the relative accolades of being one of the top bats in last year’s draft. The last two drafts went well, quit well, and gave us justified excitement over the team’s drafting philosophy.
This year’s draft, with only two picks in the top 100, had me somewhat leery. I’m not someone who knows much about prospects other than what RB gives us on Wednesdays. But, I know what a first-round pick’s highlights look like and I know how I think he should be described. Singles and reaching on errors usually aren’t in the highlights. 5’9" usually isn’t a first-round height. Second base is almost never a first-round position. Immediately making me think of Miles, Schumaker, Theriot, Punto and Eckstein while drawing comparisons to Wally Backman and Fernando Vina concerns me. (Thank goodness Peter Gammons gave me something to hope for with the Carlos Baerga comp. Unfortunately, Busch is no Jacobs.)
Then, there was my mom. (Naturally, I was watching the draft in her basement.) My mom loves baseball, but she doesn’t know scouting buzz words or anything like that. For fun, she watches the NCAA baseball regionals and made me turn the channel a little after the Cardinals’ pick, so that we could see the end of the Fullerton-Illinois game. After the Wong highlight package, my mom says to me, “He’s 5’9” and plays second base and they took him the first round? Don’t short second basement usually get drafted later?" I’m thinking, “Yes, mom, yes they do.” After all, Dustin Pedroia, Mr. Laser Show himself, from a top-flight NCAA program, was not drafted until the second round. Then the Rays took Guerreri, the flame-throwing lefty, and, after taking in the highlight package and MLB Network commentary on him, my mom asked, “Ooh, he sounds good. Why didn’t your team take him?”
And that’s really where I am with the Wong pick. It’s not terrible. But Wong does feel like a first-round pick to me. He wasn’t the best on the board, I don’t think. Nonetheless, I’ll be pulling for him to hit healthily over .300 and show some semblance of power down on the farm, even if John Hart immediately declared that Wong’s “power won’t play.” This isn’t a shortstop who can shift to second if he doesn’t reach his full potential. This is a second baseman who will fall out of baseball if he hits his floor and must reach his ceiling to be of use. Even if it’s a low ceiling, that concerns me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh hey fourstick
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by mysterui on Jun 7, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I've been mulling this over
and I just wanted to get this down. By next Monday, Wong will be so last week, and I wanted to see what others thought. Shouldn’t you be prepping for Ochocinco’s visit or something?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't really know
I don’t have anything to do yet, so I’m making an advanced soccer stats presentation based on publicly available stuff to show my bosses that this is, indeed, a valuable venture
Also it looks like I’ll have to work until midnight tonight
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No USA-Canada Gold Cup match for mysterui...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
They'll actually probably have it showing on the Jumbotron at the stadium while I do my stuff
So suck it
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During the Sporting match, they will be playing the US-Canada match on the jumbotron?
Shouldn’t they be showing Sporting stats and highlights?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We don't have a game tonight
I have to go around and put stickers on every seat in the stadium in preparation for the Thursday opener =(
THIS ISNT DATA ANALYSIS
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Like smiley face stickers?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Pedroia and Wong have similar college stats, with Wong in a worse run-scoring environment
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So Wong shouldn't have been taken in the first round?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No
You’re using results-based analysis based on one data point
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Are you implying his analysis is wong?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Does that make my conclusion wrong?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Uh, I guess not necessarily
But I think that despite the fact that he’s 5’9 and 190, that a lot of teams and scouts considered a first rounder is a GOOD thing
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Bad sentence is bad
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by mysterui on Jun 7, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For me,
the height, weight, and generally held opinion that his power will not play in pro ball are intertwined. That may not be a correct view, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We think alike
and we were discussing the pick off board for a while last night too.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
If it's any consolation
He did get drafted where he was projected to go. Most mocks had him between 22 and 26. So it wasn’t like the Cards reached for him.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
That makes me feel somewhat better.
But how many mocks had him going ahead of Guerreri?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well, Keith Law's, for one
And I don’t think he even likes Wong that much
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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Didn't Guerreri
Have some (possibly) nebulous character concerns?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Wong as Rose
Wong will be the next Pete Rose. Wanna bet?
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Jun 7, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully the Wong pick
Means we will take high upside guys who may cost over slot money later in the draft since we should save quite a bit with Wong.
by lopey986 on Jun 7, 2011 11:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I read over the weekend they expect to use the leftover money in Latin America again this year.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Helluva place to vacation, I hear.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
This makes me happy
Much happier than the Guerreri rehatching Porcello nightmares thoughts I had last night
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 7, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mo gets ridiculous deals on scarves at the Nicaraguan flea markets.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He ties them over his eyes when Batista pitches
it’s almost like not signing Batista in the first place and spending the money on a Latin American prospect instead!
by Robth on Jun 7, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you know....
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 7, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everybody Wong Chung tonight
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions
by jd is legend on Jun 7, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Booooooooooooo! Hisssss! Booooooooo!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this place is restricted, Wong... so don't tell'em you're Jewish!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I like this one better
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions
by jd is legend on Jun 7, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If making puns with his name is Wong, I don't want to be right.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
by zack3315 on Jun 7, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If making puns with his name is Wong, I don't want to be white
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions
it's probably been mentioned 100 times
but the last two cardinal first round picks were Cox & Wong…who will be available next year to continue this trend?
A relative of Andy Dick?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
do I have to do everything?
someone else link to all the jokes previous to this. there are whole lineups of dick jokes already down.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Steve Penis, LHP
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you had a name like that
would you just dress up in a body condom for Halloween?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Phil Ashio, Catcher
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Shlong Johnson, professional hitter.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
ooooh, you lose 2 points for not putting "professional swinger"
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
by nomar34 on Jun 7, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a baseball sight. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
ask the 86 Mets
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Rod Member, SS
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on Jun 7, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guy named Weiner.
(or is this Politics?)
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 7, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he was on the news for being an asswipe
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-anthony-weiner-picture/story?id=13774605
TL;DR: sent pics of his nether area to some random girl VIA TWITTER. Complete dumbass.
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on Jun 7, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
David Ryder
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 7, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
KDHX win and fail
so they featured a song from The Baseball Project, which is half REM. http://www.yeproc.com/artist_info.php?artistId=12539 okay, cool.
then instead of picking something potentially cool like Ichiro Goes to the Moon
they play Please Don’t Call Them Twinkies.
which includes 1987
FAIL, KDHX, FAIL.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Anyone else having problems
With SBN or VEB?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 7, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Other than the distinct lack of sub-thread collapse
or an edit button, it’s OK.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 7, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
They would build that
But they had to make sure that their site could accommodate some ENORMOUS GILLETTE FUSION PROGLIDE ADS first.
by mojowo11 on Jun 7, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really glad I don't have that problem
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that I can't see them but I can sometimes inexplicably click them.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Today, it has been questionable whether or not my comments actually post...
I would say that is a problem for me, not a problem for anyone else.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
My reply button doesn't work half the time
But thats only on VEB
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I actually like this pick
Best college hitter available (at least arguably)? That’s worked out well so far, with Brett Wallace turning into Matt Holliday (and given early returns, a guy who looks to be a solid big-league regular).
It’s too early to tell about Cox, but there aren’t any red flags there yet.
And unlike Wallace, Wong isn’t blocked by a future HOFer (or really, anyone). Also, as a 2B, his power doesn’t have to develop for him to develop into an asset.
I don’t t
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 7, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cool beans.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Cardinals stat of the week: #stlcards have started 7 different 3B, yet leads the NL in OPS at 3B by a healthy margin.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
where the fuck was *that* last year?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Pedro Feliz
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Maybe he means just for the week
Because for the year we are below average on offense
by FlimtotheFlam on Jun 7, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Has to be something along those lines because Fangraphs shows
the Cardinals 3B OPS at .728, 4th in the NL.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly Rosenthal is
referring to the other OPS, not On Base Plus Slugging.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Black Ops?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fo realz?
Whoa… Wouldn’t have guessed that.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm so confused that we lead the league at 3b
I mean, Descalso has had a lot of starts over there.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Jun 7, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
that doesn't make sense either
with the two starts by Carpenter going 1-for with just a double.
Maybe he is talking the OPS of everyone who has played third and averaging them out. Pujols + Craig????
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Maybe he meant that we have started 7 different 3B but still lead the league in OPS.
Overall, not by 3B.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Cardinals have used batista and Ryan franklin in late innings
But still lead the league in OPS
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
by Evilfrog on Jun 7, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cubs draft Dan Vogelbach
Who looks like this:

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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That pic was taken after he found out that he was a Cub.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
sad prospect?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm assuming whomever they drafted is in the background
but the Syracuse Orange mascot is blocking my view.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
I laughed
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
Did the photographer just inform him they were out of bomb pops?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CJ Beatty needs to know this before his metabolism grinds to a halt
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in a van down by the river
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
by nota bene on Jun 7, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No he's actually a 1B with legit 70-80 power
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More on looks and attitude
I didn’t bother to check to see what position he plays. Why did they draft a first baseman for Albert to block anyway?
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
being real
just in case they don’t get Albert
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way
How’s the kid today?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Doing really well
He’s eating 12 ML of milk every 3 hours now and he’s 2 pounds 2 ounces which is an ounce back over his birth weight as of Sunday. His PDA is completely closed so our last real obstacle is getting him off the vent and breathing on his own which will hopefully happen this week. Seems like he has normal bodily function all around so we’re a leg up on where most people are with a 25 weeker. Just gotta let his lungs develop, breathe on his own, and put on weight now.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 7, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck!
Hopefully he will continue to improve.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
He's got attitude running out of him.
He’s like the David Eckstein of premies. All grit. Actually I think he’s already taller than Eckstein too.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 7, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We know for a fact that he will be a tougher individual than Eckstein
and Tony La Russa will tell you that Eckstein is the toughest MLB player he has ever come across. It’s great to hear that he’s doing well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If we keep going, we'll have a whole team right here.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Superb!
He’s doing really well then. I’m not sure how long it took for our son to actually take 12ml. We had to do a gavage for a good bit of it. Mostly it was the drugs they had my wife on that messed him up. I’m so glad we didn’t have to do the ventilator. He was a good bit older but they didn’t catch that my wife had HELLLP until right before so he was really thin when he arrived. He was actually a good lb less than they had figured on.
Those people in the NICU are fantastic people. They really know their stuff and if yours is anything like ours, then your son is in excellent hands. Congrats and keep us informed.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Last ratings I saw had the NICU we're in as the 6th best in the Nation
and our doc as the 3rd or 4th best in the country. I like our chances.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 8, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He looks like a DH with legit 70-80 power to me
and last I heard the NL doesn’t use one of those.
That said, I don’t know if he’s that much chubbier than our own Matt Adams….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this a joke?
Not that I’m a jean-salesman baseball fan but holy melting damn…
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Cardinals draft Charlie Tilson
Kevin_Goldstein: Charlie Tilson (#stlcards) has speed and CF skills. A little under expectations this spring, but late indication that he was signable.
CrawfordChrisV: Love the Tilson pick — way to make up for the Wong pick Cardinals.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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Goldstein's tweet about signability is heartening.
There seems to be sentiment that he may go to college.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's that up and coming Illini baseball program!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Welp
"I think speed is my best tool," said Tilson, who ran a 6.54 60. "My game is to be scrappy and get on base and create a stir. I figure if I get on base, I can always cause some trouble on the bases. … I haven’t done much in speed training. We do a little bit in football. Football has helped a lot. It keeps me strong and keeps me competitive, most importantly. It keeps me from getting soft."
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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Only if TLR is still around.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My great hope is that, one day,
OBP is considered in deeming someone “scrappy.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is Kerry Robinson his publicist?
This sounds like something Kerry Robinson would say.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Jeff's
Future Redbirds post on Tilson.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Brett Gardner seems like a decent comp for me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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They are both white and left-handed.
Perhaps if he had some Illini bloodlines, the Ellsbury comp would sit better.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Centerfielders with speed
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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Yes.
I wish we were looking at someone with a bit more power potential that Gardner, but speed has value. I’m interested to see if he signs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh shit he went to New Trier
That’s my rival high school.
This dude is going to be tough to root for…
New Trier
is one snobby, ritzy Chicago suburb school. Although, I suspect that their rival school probably was as well . . .
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
I'm biased, of course...but not really
Evanston (my school) is a much more diverse community, racially and socioeconomically.
Not as bad as New Trier
though I was still looked down upon since I came from not-chicago illinois when I went to Evanston too.
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
This was all some 8-10 years ago.
I have no idea what it is like at those schools now.
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
he's got the sense to be a Sox fan rather than a Cubs fan
that’s a good sign
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
I like fast CF'ers
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
...
Kevin_Goldstein: Loved it.RT @matthewrjohnson: @Kevin_Goldstein What did you think of the Wong pick? Wasn’t a fan with all the high upside arms available
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kevin goldstein seems to really like the cards' pick of wong
say his upside is good avg/on-base skills from the 2 hole
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
This makes me feel better.
We’ll need to watch his walk rate. If his power doesn’t play, will he be able to sustain a good walk rate? My hope is that the answer is “yes.” (Actually, my hope is that his power plays.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
any estimates on how much/when wong signs?
it’d be nice to see adecent sample of QC numbers out of him before season’s end
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
There were tweets last night
that Wong wanted to sign as soon as possible and start his pro career. So Quad Cities by season’s end may be a possibility.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
where else would he start?
noob here, but i can’t imagine him going to short-season rookie ball, 1) because he’s such an advanced bat and 2) because it hasn’t started yet i don’t think
i was thinking best case, he’s in QC by mid-june, get’s promoted to PB about halfway and starts springfield next season
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
I honestly don't know what the organization's typical approach is with players who sign quickly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
if he signs immediately, then QC seems reasonable
but deadline signers usually jump into some kind of short season ball to start. that’s what Cox did.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
I find it hard to believe Wong holds out to the deadline
I’d be disappointed if that happened too. In fact, I think it might be in our interests to maybe shoot him 200k or so above what we were thinking of offering just to try and entice a quicker sign. WIth 2-3 months in QC he could be in high A to begin next year and knocking on the door of Springfield by the All-Star break.
The more I read about Wong the more I’m liking him, FWIW. I think we’re all slightly down on MIF signs due to Kozma, and low-ish upside college guys because they’re not all that exciting. I actually think he was a pretty fair pick at 22, though I still give the draft a C- because they didn’t really go upsidey enough with the other picks for my liking.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
From a fluff piece over on SI
Oakland was deciding between Van Poppel and Mussina with the 14th pick. Tony La Russa, then the Oakland manager, wanted the pitcher closest to helping the big club — Mussina. Imagine if the defending world champions at the time added Mussina to their rotation.
(1990 draft)
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
He was the first pick in the 2nd round, no?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Good for Pittsburgh, though.
Interesting to see if they’re really committed to spending the kind of money that would take.
why does the mainstream media in st. louis
Hate Colby Rasmus so much? I cant stand this Cliff guy thats filling in for Bernie, he is just so horrible…but what the hell? Why does he get it so bad?
by mick311 on Jun 7, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
doesn't know how to play the game, not a winner
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
he was saying how bad his defense was and how we could get alot in a trade for Colby
So i texted in telling him what a bad move that would be given his talent, offense, age and salary. He read my text on the air and he responded with “I said we should use Colby as trade bait, not necessarily trade him….he would be great ‘trade bait’, and there is a difference”…..uh ok?
by mick311 on Jun 7, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That doesn't even make sense.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
maybe he meant you could use colby as bait to figure out
what players another team is willing to deal? But I would think asking “is this guy available” would get the same result.
Or it's the old bait and switch and we trade them Adron Chmabers wearing a fake mustache and mullet wig?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
The Cardinals are not running a sting on statutory rapists.
In baseball, you either trade someone or you don’t. And “trade bait” is typically traded.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
"Hey, Colby, thanks for bringing the Zima. Why don't you have a seat right over there..."
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
are we trying to kidnap the braves' GM
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
*starts tapping on his forehead*
Helloooooo, McFly! Are you in there, McFly?!!
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wut
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
ahh the classic switcheroo
bait them in with colby and the BAM! nail ’em with Bryan Anderson instead. thanks for jose reyes, fools!
by BVHeck on Jun 7, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
well I only turned it on bc I like Bernie
And he has Goold on everday at this time. Bernie is pretty good actually, always has nice stats and uses sabr to back up opinions. Today this Cliff guy is filling in, I think he is usually just an update guy or something, I don’t think he actually has his own show.
by mick311 on Jun 7, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe he's the janitor.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The impression
That has solidified is that he leaves something in reserve. People latch on to the fact he looks a little timid on some balls hit behind him, and the fact he is streaky as a hitter, and use it to make character judgments at times.
The solution is simple. He just needs to dive into first a couple times, slam himself into a wall once and that will help a lot. Also, he is a really excellent baserunner in my opinion, but he makes it look a little too easy. He needs to start flailing his arms about wildly so it looks like he’s running faster, and if it slows him down a step or 2 that’s a small price to pay to earn the “winner” label.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 7, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
even if he'd just slam his bat occasionally after strike outs
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
High step on home runs.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Jun 7, 2011 2:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That'd be showing off.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I think just communicating with the rest of the outfielders and running out balls that he thinks are home runs will do the trick.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
communicating better with fielders is an area I think he legitimately needs to work on
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
He's been much better these last two years, I think
It was a big problem his rookie year
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I think his communication has improved this year.
Whether his “aggressiveness” is an actual complaint or just a perception, I don’t know, but it’s amazingly similar to complaints about JD Drew ten years ago.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I'd say his baserunning is absolutely elite
Was thinking about this the other day – it’s not so much he does, but what he doesn’t do. I can’t remember a single baserunning mistake in the couple of years he’s been here. For a speedy guy with that OBP, that’s exceptional. I mean, I’m sure there’s been one or two, but when you compare it to the number of outs that Pujols and Yadi run into, it’s really impressive. He goes first-to-third really well, too, which I think is arguably a bigger skill than base stealing.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Right,
the game where he had two hits and the highest WPA on the club.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
he has 6 triples this year too...
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
FWIW
And I’m a Colby fan, his rate of growth is fairly subject to scrutiny. His streakiness, in particular, is the kind of thing that is fair to criticize, his throws from the OF are awful, and he has some other, non-throwing gaffes in the OF.
That being said, he’s a 24 year old who is hitting 270/370/445, while bring 2nd on the team in PAs, so criticism shouldn’t equal throwing him away in a stupid trade. To TLR’s credit, the 246 PAs show that TLR isn’t so capricious as to cost Colby PT.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 7, 2011 4:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
TLR seems to have been MUCH better with the younger players this year
don’t know what’s happened but he seems like a different manager.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe it wasn't age...
I mean, it’s not like last year he handed the starting pitching job to a youngster who wasn’t even in the running for it. Or started Jay as soon as he came up.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Bernie isn't any better...
He constantly attacks Rasmus in his Bernie bytes column.
Doesn’t dive for balls. Doesn’t drive in runs. I mean, c’mon, Rasmus batted 2nd behind Theriot (who has a fairly low OBP for a leadoff hitter, .350 or so) and the pitcher. So of course his RBI total is low.
And he doesn’t take criticism well, he banned me for snarkily pointing out that diving for balls was how Holliday got hurt and how Berkman hit his wrist.
And what’s worse, Bernie knows better (at least the RBI thing). He just likes stirring up trouble. Why Rasmus is his dedicated whipping boy is beyond me, other than he seems to be it for all the other media as well…
i know i'm missing the point here,
but .350 is not “fairly low” for leadoff hitter. this routinely gets discussed and someone will post the accurate numbers, but league average for leadoff is something like .320 or .330
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
Rasmus reminds me of Carlos Beltran with a little JD Drew thrown in.
Joe Poz’s article reminded me how good Beltran was – he and Drew really were “graceful” in the same way Ras is, but were they were nevertheless unappreciated by some.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 7, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I got a taste of some of the hate a few fans have for Rasmus at a BBQ
I mean, there are some fans that really really want this guy gone. I don’t get it.
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haha ok now its getting ridiculous
He has Joe Shean on and started complaining about how Carp is because of his record, has Carp lost it?
Joe thinks he is fine based on his K rate and ridiculously high BABIP….this Cliff guy probably has no idea what he is talking about.
by mick311 on Jun 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he brought it up again and asked Joe if we should trade Rasmus for Heath Bell
Joe: “oh my god no, hes one of the top 25 players in the NL”…“Why would you ever want to do that?”
by mick311 on Jun 7, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You tried to warn him
And he didn’t listen
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 7, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby Rasmus: 2.4 WAR, 24 years old, cost controlled.
Heath Bell: 0.7 WAR, 33 years old, pending free agent.
GREAT TRADE.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
hell yeah it is
If I could get Rasmus for Heath Bell. I’d jump on that in a second.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
A part of me wishes I could have heard this exchange.
It feels almost like a SNL skit.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it was actually really funny because it was like he was trying to prove me wrong by getting a baseball expert to agree with him
When I texted in, I argued trading Colby would be a bad move for a number of reasons….I was so frusterated with his bs and added that Bernie or anyone else that actually knew anything about baseball would never suggest such a thing….when he read my text on the air he said “these listeners just put words in my mouth….i never said trade Rasmus, but rather use him as trade bait”……
I texted back telling him that made absolutely no sense and that he probably gets his baseball knowledge from Al Hrabosky and told him he was an idiot……so, when he got Joe on he kept bringing up a trade and asking if we should trade for Heath Bell…
Joe: “they aren’t going to trade Miller/Martinez and I just don’t see them having the other prospects to put together a package to pull it off”…..
Cliff: “well what about someone on the major league team?”
Joe: “well if they could convince someone that Jon Jay is really a .300 hitter, they could try and package a trade around him, although I’m not convinced he is….why, is there someone that you would suggest they trade?”
Cliff: “well I was saying we could get alot for Colby Rasmus in a trade. Maybe not trade him, but use him as trade bait”(he states this again, haha)
Joe: “oh god no! He is one of the best CFers in baseball…a top 25 player in the NL….he is young, his steakiness can be expected…no way you trade him”
Cliff: “WOW, WOW, WOW. A LOT of people in St. Louis would disagree with you! My producer is looking at me shaking his head right now…we were going to talk about Plaxico Burress next segment, but I think we are going to stick to the subject of Rasmus….a top 25 player? That statement is going to turn alot of heads!”
……It was really funny bc he was really wanting Shehan to agree with him to prove me wrong, but once he got shut down the reaction was fucking ridiculous. I still just dont understand why just normal, casual baseball fans think Rasmus is so bad? Even RBIs,and HRs would indicate he is solid offensively, especially for a CFer. I don’t know, it was pretty funny though.
by mick311 on Jun 7, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
There's a reason his show is on at like 10 PM
and he sporadically fills in for guys on vacation.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That's hilarious.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that is the guy that does some Rams postgame shows
If so, I remember listening to him on a drive home one afternoon and laughing when Jim Hannifan told him a few of his questions were really dumb things to be asking. I recall one of them was whether Danario Alexander is a potential #1 receiver. Hannifan about lost his shit and told him that we should let him play more than 1 game before we put that label on him.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 7, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You keep forgetting that the only
skill involved in getting your own radio show is to sound patently ridiculous 5 times an hour and the package commercials around those sections.
You have to be controversial and being well researched isn’t nearly as important as picking a side and arguing it to the death.
We have a local radio dillhole who, EVERY YEAR around HOF Induction time, loves to chide Cardinal fans about how Ozzie Smith shouldn’t be in the HOF and how Darrell Evans got the short straw (this dipshit is from Boston). This year, he followed that up by making the statement that Lee Smith should have been a first ballot HOF guy and that he couldn’t understand why people wouldn’t vote for him. So I called in and made the point that “you’re not ok with the best defensive shortstop in the history of the game not being in the HOF, but the 20th best OF in Red Sox history deserves to be in and you’re appalled that a guy who came in to pitch one or two innings every couple of days wasn’t a first ballot?”
To which he responded with an ad hominem tirade…
None of these guys are smart, save maybe Dan Patrick. Jim Rome is the biggest, most obnoxious toolbox on the planet, yet has a nationally syndicated radio show and a half hour TV show daily on ESPN. All he does is look at a situation, have a take, and then argue that take to death. Oh, and have the Sklars co-host while he’s gone to get people like me to listen to them make fun of guys like him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I don't so much mind Mike and Mike.
Jim Rome is a flaming bag of dogshit just waiting for somebody to step on it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i like when jay mohr guest-hosts.
Start a fire for a man, keep him warm for a night. Light a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Jim Rome is fucking terrible
totally unlistenable.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
Ha ha
I think the Padres GM would be shoving Bell onto a Grayhound bus before he’s even put the phone down.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Is anyone else unpleased with this draft so far?
I really don’t like the way the cards have gone this year. I know every team has “their guys”, but it seems like a lot of overdrafts so far. I can deal with Wong in the first, though he wasn’t my first…or second…or third choice but dammit this has been disappointing.
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It would be foolish to be displeased with an MLB draft
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So you're saying he's wong?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hate you.
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Well I Tilson like you, of all Peoples.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 7, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
not at all
Of course. I don’t care about the draft.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
troll on someone else
im sensitive right now
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Honestly it's not something you should put that emotion in
Even top AAA prospects flame out. Ankiel, Reyes. While Bottom of the draft guys go on to be the best player ever. Pujols.
No need to get unpleased with a player who you’ve never watched play and only know by what a few people who never watched play for any length of time think of him.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
I think that I'm allowed to be unpleased
in something that I’ve spent a lot of time working on over the past 6 weeks. I’m not unpleased with the player. What I said was he wasn’t very high on my list. He reeks of pete kozma. He’ll be a really average player. That’s not a guy that you take in the first round unless you have budget concerns.
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Because there were better players available
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Objectively better players?
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I believe that there were better first-round draft picks.
But, that is based on my subjective beliefs regarding drafting and how I viewed the players. I would have probably drafted a pitcher instead of Wong, especially if I had reason to believe the rest of my draft would look as the Cardinals’ does.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, and that's a valid viewpoint
But like I said, it’s also perfectly rational to believe that Wong was the best player on the board
No reason to be disappointed
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Liklihood of hitting it big at 22 is low...
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/DZ5m0
Funny the top guy ever at this spot is a HOF 2nd baseman.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Of course, he was drafted as a catcher, I believe.
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Nearly everything in baseball is objective
I’m not entering that kind of argument.
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You can't make the claim that there were better players on the board
There’s just no way you can back that up
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I can back that up
Using the knowledge we have on both players at this point in time, I can make the decision that there were better players on the board at the time he was drafted. Since we can’t see the future, I can use the resources I have to make a decision which, at this time, is correct.
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No, that you BELIEVE is correct
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Why is it so difficult to accept tha I just don't like the pick
Do you have a problem with my opinion? I said I didn’t like it and I stated why. EVERYTHING in baseball is objective, from balls and strikes to which player is better than which. That is my opinion, and why I said I didn’t want to have this never ending conversation.
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That's fine if you don't like the pick
I explicitly said that
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion
no matter how wrong it is
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Huzzah
I thought that was a shot at me. I’m really tired of inane arguments today. The draft has me in a SHITTY mood.
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Vitek is doing well...
the Weeks boys are doing well, Jed Lowrie is doing well, Chris Burke had his moment in the sun… The track record for college 2nd baseman is pretty good.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I was trying to think of who Wong reminded me of from last year
and it was Kolbrin Vitek, but from the left-hand side. Thanks.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't taking a shot at you
just throwing the old saying out there
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think his point is that it's your opinion
You even state it’s your opinion. Which player is better is not the same as the rulebook difference between a ball and a strike — that’s objective. Which player you think is better/will be better is entirely a subjective conclusion based on incomplete information. Not saying you’re wrong, but I think claiming that your opinion on the matter is objective is doing some interesting contortions to the concept of objectivity.
Poorly worded
To clarify — the rulebook difference between a ball and strike is objective. A pitch is either, objectively, a ball or a strike depending on its location when it crosses the plate.
Whether a particular amateur player is better, projects better, etc. is a subjective judgment, simply because we don’t have all the information needed to make a truly objective claim, and we fill in the rest with opinion.
Agree with mojo...
your opinion on this is subjective and based on incomplete info. But you are entitled to it, and you might be right.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
If you're so concerned with objectivity, then you must also admit that the Cardinals orginization
had better resources and more knowledge to make the decision when they decided that Wong was the best player for them to draft.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
I'm not concerned with objectivity
my original complaint was I didn’t like the draft pick because there were better players on the board. That is my OPINION. I understand that. No clue how it got to this. lol
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Heh. Yeah. You got jumped on more than your OP deserved.
Mea Culpa
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
You're allowed to feel however you want to feel
But you have no idea how the organization determines its needs or its draft strategy, or even how it values players.
But comparing Wong to Kozma is pretty dumb
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Wong has extended success hitting in college
There’s a very rational argument that he was the best player on the board.
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also he's hit in the cape cod
like Zach Cox
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
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@Codeeg
nothing wrong with Kozma anyway
at 23 he still has a lot of time to improve.
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he's a A+ hitter who somehow made it to the majors.
THE BATMAN
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@Codeeg
there is a reason that the average age of a MLB rookie is 27
He isn’t a major league hitter. But he is pretty young still. People get concerned about players who are “too old for their League” not hitting in the Majors. Kozma is still has plenty of time to work on hitting before he is ready to play at the major league level.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Can you find me the list of
former first round picks who have ~2000 AB’s in the minor leagues at age 23, hit 241/.317/.353 in those AB’s while playing average to below average defense and suddenly became a part time or regular player sometime after that?
I can probably find some college guys without all those minor league AB’s that fit that profile, but I’m guessing I’m not going to find too awful many high schoolers who are that putrid offensively and just suddenly turn it on at age 23-24. He’s a bust. Period. His career numbers at AA look just a bit better than Michael Jordan’s:
Kozma: 231/.305/.352/.656
Jordan: 202/.289/.266/.556
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Whatever
you can label him a bust before he gets a chance. I don’t really care. I don’t have any attachment to him at all.
I’m not going to look at Career numbers for minor league players at the age of 23 who have ~2000 ABs because I just don’t care about prospects that much.
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He's had a chance, albeit they've perhapd unfairly rushed him up and messed with his development
he’s been a minor leaguer for 4 years now, and he’s sucked for all of them and shown nothing positive in that time. They should’ve kept him in the lower minors for longer but he really is what he is now.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You seem to care quite a lot about people criticizing Pete Kozma for being a shitty baseball player
for someone who “doesn’t care about prospects all that much”.
I happen to read a lot of prospect lists and scouting reports and really delve deep into this stuff. And I can tell you unequivocally: Guys like him don’t just suddenly shake off 2000 minor league AB’s of total suckitude and turn into major league players.
For high schoolers age 23 and 24 are the breaking point — if you can’t hit AA pitching by then, you’re a legit bust. You don’t get to hang out until you’re 27 or 28 unless the organization is desperate for players at your position. In which case, Kozma might be at Memphis, hitting .220/.270/.310 until he’s 33 years old. Our track record of developing players at SS is insanely bad.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jun 7, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I seriously could not care less if Kozma never sees another bat for the St. Louis Cardinals
I really don’t care if Cox doesn’t get’s an AB, or if Miller never throws a pitch in the Majors.
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If you don't care
then why do you keep arguing about it?
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so far my arguement has been:
it’s nothing to get upset about.
Kinda fits the bill huh?
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Who's upset?
Apparently you are, at the notion that most of us who follow the minor leagues (which you claim not to care about) think that Pete Kozma is a bust, just like Chris Lambert was a bust.
I’m not pissed about it, I’m just pointing out the facts here. Should we have taken Porcello? Sure. And we also should have kept Dan Haren and Luke Gregerson. Those ships have sailed, there’s not point in getting all bent out of shape about it.
But making the claim that “we just don’t know yet” on Kozma, when your a self-described “person who doesn’t care about prospects” seems a bit disingenuous.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
also
or high schoolers age 23 and 24 are the breaking point
So you’re saying he has another year?
That .220/.270/.310 line he has put up in AAA so far this season looks awfuly familiar to Rasmus’s line through his first 176 PAs in AAA.
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i guess the problem there
is the ~.400 wOBA he had throughout the rest of his minor league career
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
ssshhh
If I remember my Goold right. (and if not, sorry_)
Kozma has started slow and has been promoted once he started hitting to the next level pretty quickly.
Looking at his numbers, His 2010 season is the only one that really didn’t follow that pattern.
Of course, I’m not breaking down game logs here. You can say he hit .258 / .340 / .361 in 2008 and be correct.
He had a slow start that year at Quad Cities, but by the time he was done in Quad Cites he was hitting .284 / .363 / .398 before moving up to Palm Beach where he finished up the year hitting .130 / .231 / .182.
In 2009 he hit .315 / .381 / .384 at Palm Beach before moving up to Memphis where he finished the year at .216 / .288 / .312
I know you would like to see your first round picks in the Major ASAP and lighting the world on fire. I just don’t see the need to give up on the guy yet. Hell, it’s not like there is anyone behind him.
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you completely left out the 1000+ PAs in springfield in 2009-2010
where he put up a sub .700 OPS in a hitting environment.
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no I didn't
Looking at his numbers, His 2010 season is the only one that really didn’t follow that pattern.
And
In 2009 he hit .315 / .381 / .384 at Palm Beach before moving up to
MemphisSpringfield where he finished the year at .216 / .288 / .312
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also in springfield 2010
April: .205/.260/.227
May: .245/.322/.377
June: .273/.360/.591…
Wait. NM, those are apparently his numbers for this year….
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it's june 7th
and he still sucked in may
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despite being in the MLB for 3 weeks.
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i read "palm beach to memphis"
and i thought you decided to take it out.
but to me, you’re basing you’re argument on 84 PA in palm beach and 3/4 of a season in A ball.
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So he's been promoted too quickly?
Now it’s the org’s fault that Pete Kozma is bad at baseball?
Is John Mozeliak paying you to type in this thread or something?
Just do this exercise for me if you’re really hell bent on proving your point. Find 3 current major league part-timers that had 2000 AB’s in the minors at age 23 with a sub-.700 OPS.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
just to clear things up
I never said Pete Kozma is bad at baseball. And John Mozeliak is paying me $15 per post to defend him.
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oh
and I’m not hell bent on proving my point that you shouldn’t give up on Kozma. Give up on him if you want.
I am hell bent on proving my point that it’s not something I care about. So…. No exercise.
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Fair enough
A person who “doesn’t care about prospects” just spent an hour of his time trying to convince those of us who do that we shouldn’t give up on Pete Kozma.
Tell me, did Pete Kozma put up a .400 wOBA in the rest of his minor league career like Colby Rasmus has?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
more like 10 minutes
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I wonder what the average age of call up is
for a guy drafted in the first round
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Kozma has a .309wOBA in the Majors!
He’s adequate!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 7, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he is major league ready right now
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I know
Kozma is overly criticized here. I think he will be a major league utility player. His defense is actually quite good – too much attention has been paid to errors in AA.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 7, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll be a major league utility player in the way that Donovan Solano is
i.e. he’d probably be the 25th best player on the Pirates but he’s not worth a spot on a contending roster.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
but Wong is already a hitter
and there isn’t anything wrong with Kozma
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Except that Kozma sucks
I agree that comparing him to Pete Kozma, the draft pick, is not a good comparison.
But comparing the situations is — there were two very talented high school pitchers left on the board when we selected and we took a middle infielder that might have fallen all the way out of the first round and has a limited ceiling. It wasn’t as much of a reach as Kozma, and Guerreri probably isn’t Porcello, but I can see how someone would make that distinction.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Kozma was a reach when he was picked...
…several at Future Redbirds pointed out that many had him going in the supplemental rounds when the Cardinals picked him mid-first. Wong is not a reach. Most projected that he would be picked in the late first round—in a deep draft.
Yeah, you can say there were better projectable players on the board, but they were pitchers. Position players, generally, are more valuable as prospects than pitchers, partially because pitching prospects have a higher attrition rate.
Wong’s a disappointing pick, but more because it simply isn’t as an exciting talent as Miller or even Cox. But Wong’s not Kozma. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
Although
Surely you are not defending drafting him in the1st round.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 7, 2011 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anybody he's faced, really...
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He plays for Hawaii...
I wouldn’t consider the level of competition the same of someone that plays for a team like Texas, but I could be wrong.
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Well you'd probably be right
But I know for a fact that the team league/park adjusts stats
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They played the following
Oregon
Texas
CalStateFullerton
Wichita State
Fresno
SanJose
New Mex State
That’s not the JC two year squad there.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
and his line against at least Texas was not good
didn’t bother to check the rest, but someone else is free to
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I was implying
he wouldn’t fair well against the better teams in his division, that he would have more worse teams in his division, and those factors would inflate his career numbers.
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2011 batting splits
Oregon 5-14
Texas 4-9
CalStateFullerton 2-8
Wichita State 8-16
Fresno 7-22
SanJose 4-16
New Mex State 7-13
all others 42-111
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—Albert Pujols
I'd count 4-9 as "good"
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Actually, it's 4-16.
so not as good.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we using ABs or PAs here? I don't want anyone losing their VEB cred.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I'm counting PA's,
unless I’m reading it wrong. He was at the plate 16 times- 4 hits, no walks. I don’t see a place for sacs. Just put outs and assists and LOBs.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a little confused here
and his line against at least Texas was not good
Texas 4-9
SanJose 4-16
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
this is what I'm seeing
Texas game 1: 1-4
game 2:1-7
game 3:3-5
Maybe I’m not looking in the right spot
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
other than I can't fucking add apparently.
5-16
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was replying to Hootie Who's post
who had him as 4-9 against Texas.
If you looked it up than I’ll trust your numbers
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Wong led off the second game
instead of batting 3rd and Hootie must’ve missed it. he went 1-7 in that one.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno, i bet we could make those splits even smaller if we tried
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
unpossible
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 7, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
how is he against texas right handed relief pitchers?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
0-0
They played a Fri, Sat, Sun, series against Texas.
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is it too late to just toss him off a bridge?
no hope for him
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
I have some spare carpet in the basement
we can roll him up in.
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I think Kozma's quite a different player to Wong, really
they’re not really that comparable. Different stage of development, different position, somewhat different skillsets.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They're both MI and drafted in the 1st Rd by the Cards when people wanted a pitching prospect with upside instead.
That’s enough for the simplistic narrative to subsist.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 7, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not unpleased with the player
Im unpleased with our choice of that player
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It seems unwarranted to get upset...
unless the team
1) selects based on cheapness or ability to sign alone (Dan Moskos) or
2) reflects a clearly dated or flawed strategy (ie picking based on need, going for high floor/low ceiling only) or
3) has a bad track record and has picked someone not highly rated by anyone (the Oakland Raiders)
Or 4) you can be a scout has seen player(s) and has a strong, informed opinion.
Beyond that, I don’t see why anyone would get too worked up.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Yout don't think the Wong pick meets any of your criteria?
1. Plausible. He’s going to sign for slot.
2. We need middle infielders in the organization.
A guy can’t just dislike a pick? Would Henry Owens not have been better there? Norris? Bell?
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A lot of the mock drafts had him in the 20s...
Sickels had him as the 22nd best player in the draft. He may sign for slot, but he’s not an inferior talent who was picked for that reason alone.
As for 2), the Cardinals haven’t really shown a pattern of this.
And yes you can just dislike a pick. But if you’re going to state your dislike, people are going to want to know why you feel so strongly.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I know what the mocks said
and all the recent ones had him going to the Rockies or Tampa Bay. Mock drafts don’t mean anything.
I already said that there were better players available at that time and that’s why I didn’t like the pick. Round 1 is for upside. Best available, because those are the guys that have the greatest chance of becoming MLB players.
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You're really just throwing around buzzwords
What is “best available”? Highest ceiling? Lowest floor? Most toolsy? Closest to being MLB ready? Would do best in MLB rightnowthisveryminute? Best value for the dollar? All are very reasonable definitions of your nebulous “best available”.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 7, 2011 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's really not what's happening
I totally disagree with what you’re saying. I’m not Harold Reynolds spouting nonsense. I was explaining my thoughts on the first round.
Maybe you should read it again. Something like highest ceiling means that he has a high potential, but there is usually more risk involved. Low ceiling means He’s a “safer” pick (aka he sucks) and is probably slated for a bench spot. Not sure about best value for the dollar, because that;s got nothing to do with a players skill.
These are phrases to help people that don’t follow the draft understand analyses.
Hope that helps
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But you're not explaining your thoughts
On the first round. You are criticizing the Cards for not taking the “best available player” when that concept is so nebulous as to have no meaning whatsoever.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 7, 2011 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to expound on your point a little bit (which I agree with)...
its very plausible that the Cards did draft the “best available player” – just that their definition is slightly different from Dttl’s. They could have determined that the best player for the organization was a signable, polished, “safer” pick. They viewed his risk/reward tradeoff (and the timeframe for that reward) as the best option available.
Does that mean Wong offers the max peak season WAR profile, max WAR avg. per MLB season, or even max total career WAR? Of course not. But the time value of talent is a real thing.
"he's a safer pick (aka, he sucks)"
No, that’s not what that term means.
I really doubt Bell signs.
Norris fell all the way to 74. You wanted the Cardinals to pick him at 22?
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 7, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No I wanted the Cards to take the best player available.
there are guys I like and guys I don’t, but I don’t find one player and hate everyone that’s not him.
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Norris fell due to $$$$ demands
he was a top-20 talent otherwise.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that
Do you really think the Cards would have ponied up the money for him this year? I don’t.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 8, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
There are very serious concerns about his velocity.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
it's a little weird to me
that we’ve made four picks and haven’t taken a pitcher yet. Especially since all the hype said this was supposed to be the deepest draft for pitching in a long time.
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I was a little disappointed last night.
I’d have much preferred Gerreri. But the draft is one of those things that will quickly fade into the background as the pennant race heats up.
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too
any one of Gerreri/Bell/Owens would be great
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That probably would have been my decision, too.
I’m disappointed with the Wong pick but I don’t hate it. Multiple outlets have praised his swing. A few have called him one of if not the best bat in the draft. Sure, the upside that I like to see in a first-rounder doesn’t appear to be there, but he’s a solid bet to make the big leagues and he was selected right around where most mock drafts had him. It wasn’t an ideal pick in my mind, but it wasn’t a horrendous one, either.
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
my only concern
is that they’d go with Larry Greene
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exactly
there were worse picks there, IMO. Greene, real reach guys like Dickerson (who they were linked with), there were some question marks over some of the catchers, I didn’t like Cron, not keen on Michaels. There were worse guys we could’ve ended up with.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, for sure!
I think most of us who don’t like the pick are people who also like to take the best talent available, even when that best talent is a high school pitcher with character issues (Gurrieri).
I trust Luhnow quite a bit, and I think our front office/scouting/ownership operation are all committed to running the organization in the same way (which I think is why Walt is no longer here). If the player development and scouting side thinks that Wong was the best player on the board, I won’t argue with their opinion. I trust it.
My quibble is that it’s possible that they didn’t take the best player because they wanted a middle infield bat, and Wong was the best player in this draft to fill that need. In which case, I have a real problem with our draft strategy because that type of strategy has failed us before.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Hearing Vina
reminds me a little of freddy sanchez
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Maybe MLB Howie Kendrick (which might be a stretch)
but MiLB Howie Kendrick was a S.T.U.D.: .360/.403/.569 in 1768 PA’s. Wong’s profile would seem to have better on-base skills and less power than Kendrick’s numbers demonstrate.
I don’t see Wong ever slugging over .500 at any level. From what I’m seeing, most project him to be a .300/.370/.440 guy on the upside. Which has a lot of value if he can play good defense at 2B. With average defense and those numbers, he’s be a 3 WAR player.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
hm. Kendrick slugs a bit better, and is better than average at defense
but has never had a 3 WAR season, i don’t think. doesn’t bode well for Wong.
Agreed
If he could ever play 150 games, he’d probably be worth 3 WAR. Then again, staying healthy at some point becomes a bit of a skill I think. Guys who are constantly banged up tend to stay constantly banged up.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yes, I think it's been a poor draft overall
slightly concerned that it’s been scouting-heavy; they’ve taken a few reaches in the middle rounds on guys they clearly like, and they’ve not spent money on one or two fallers. My main gripes would be not taking some of the 1st and 2nd round talent that was still around in the 3rd, 4th and even 5th rounds (although I quite like our 3rd round guy, I think he’d have probably fallen to the 4-6 range quite easily), and they didn’t really have the excuse of spending big money on the 1st round and supplementals this year.
All that said, I think they pulled it around a little in the later rounds. I really like Ehrlich in the 6th if he signs, Martini in the 7th could be another Jon Jay/Tyler Henley type, and I actually think Lance Jeffries (10th) might be my favourite pick in this draft having watched a bit of video; it would surprise me if we don’t find a solid major leaguer out of that trio.
There’s a nice mix of projectable HS guys and one or two position-of-need picks, but nothing hugely exciting and nobody outside of Wong and maybe Tilson who look like probable starting major leaguers.
I’m kinda hoping that, as it is unquestionably a relatively cheap draft, they’re at least looking hard at some of the bigger Latin American guys this year as well, which would make it easier to swallow. So – it’s OK, I guess, but first impressions aren’t overwhelmingly good. Maybe a C-.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not any more. He plays professional baseball in a couple of months :-)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 9, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So Jose Bautista is still hitting .346/.496/.730
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What a terrible hitter.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 7, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The anti-Miles
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Excited to see him in-person on VEB Day.
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Cardinals going with up-the-middle HS players this draft
Interesting
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This is an amazing collection of 5'10 guys...
I never should’ve given up in little league.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
a draft full of aaron miles...gross.
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The 2nd round pick is 18 and a half..
.the 3rd rounder is exactly 18. They could still do some growing.
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I thought he was like 5'6
More like a draft of giants
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Not really sure height matters that much for SS or CF, which is where all these guys profile
I don’t like some of them but people are making too much of the height thing.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
believe me.
being 6’6 doesn’t make you any better at baseball – except stretching to throws at first base. :)
yoga. (Matt Holliday does yoga.)
would've.
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I imagine it helps with walks.
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Yeah
Height doesn’t really matter there. I guess if you’re shorter it might take longer to walk back.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jun 7, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This is patently untrue
While you can be a very good player at 5’10" or smaller, the deck is really stacked against you. Look at the HOF — how many players in there were smaller than 5’10"? Not many.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Agreed up to a point
but slightly disingenuous – the HOF is well known to reward power hitters and ignore CF, 2B and SS disproportionately – and 5’10" guys are unlikely to be in the first category and more likely to be in the second.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
My example was bad...
But there aren’t a lot of HOF pitchers who are under 6 feet tall either.
Thought experiment: Two players play 3B and have the same ability level. One is 5’9" and one is 6’3". Who has the better shot of becoming a MLB regular?
I’m not saying you CAN’T be a good player at 5’9" or 5’10", I’m just saying that you probably have to have more natural talent for the game than someone who’s a little bigger, and even then, the bigger guy has an advantage in a game that relies as much on hard work as it does on natural talent.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
For some reason I thought there hadn't been any HoF pitchers since the deadball era under 6'0"
and Pedro would be the first of the modern era.
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I think you're correct on that
If you’re short, you’re better off playing soccer, hockey, tennis, or golf. And even those sports tend to give advantages to bigger players if they are good athletes.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'll withhold all judgements on this draft until the Latin America signings are over.
And the year is 2013.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Already graduated our 13th round pick! Success!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
So is it safe to assume
That most people here don’t really subscribe to the TINSTAAPP school of thought?
TINSTAAPP
I think what you are getting at is that the community seems to have been leaning toward drafting a pitcher instead of Wong. I was leaning that way myself. I disagree with TINSTAAPP, but that’s because it’s too hyperbolic. I think that the nature of pitching prospects make me want a lot of pitching prospects with high ceilings.
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much
Seems like people here really put a premium on the what a draftee’s rosiest possible outcome on the spectrum is. TINSTAAPP is obviously on the other extreme. I’m not against drafting pitchers completely, but I probably do have a bit of a bias towards hitters. I also wonder how many opinions are shaped by Kozma and Miller, and the illusion that those picks in the past are some kind of meaningful barometer to judge the orgs present and future decisions.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 7, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I try not to lean one way or the other.
However, entering a draft that is cateogrized as being pitcher-heavy, I think it is reasonable to expect an early drafting of a pitcher with upside. I think a lot of folks did. I know that I did. So, when we got a developed hitter who seems similar to Zack Cox in some ways, I think it was disappointing.
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Drafting Cox
Doesn’t make it a bad idea to draft another infielder. I wouldn’t base a pick on organizational depth (or at least it would be a very minimal factor), but if someone were so inclined to value team need highly, I’d say the greater need is hitting right now.
If they drafted a pitcher, I wouldn’t have strong feelings against it. I just don’t understand why we would be compelled to pick a pitcher just because that is where the depth in the draft is. If someone doesn’t think Wong is a first round pick that’s an argument, but he seems to be picked right around where most thought he should be. He might be a little safe, some might say maybe even uninspired, but there’s a certain value in those guys that you expect can fast track through the system too.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 7, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Wong was drafted at a number where a lot of mock drafts had him being drafted,
but a lot of those same mock drafts had other players that were on the board being drafted ahead of him. To me, he is a fine player and a fair enough pick, but I like my first-rounders with upside. There were not a lot of bats with upside in this draft. I don’t think Wong is one. There were pitchers with upside available when we took him.
I agree with you on organizational need. What I’m saying is that, as a fan, another infielder who is okay with a glove, can’t play shortstop, and projects to have even less power than Cox just is not that exciting to me.
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not putting a rosy outcome on the high school pitchers
It’s not that Wong ISN’T a good talent and WON’T have value. It’s the we have comparable hitters in our minor league system already (Zach Cox), and that if he can’t hack it at 2B he really doesn’t have anywhere else on the diamond where he provides value. When scouts are talking about moving him off of the keystone before he’s played in the minors that should tell you something, just like when they were talking about moving Brett Wallace off of 3B prior to the ’08 draft.
He can hit. But he’s not Chase Utley either. He’s not ever going to be a superstar, just a solid regular if he hits his ceiling. FWIW, I’d rather draft the HS pitcher that might be the next Matt Morris or Adam Wainwright than draft the next Wally Backman.
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I suspect
That the Cards saw the dearth of hitting prospects in the system (at least as compared to pitching prospects) and decided that they would lean towards those in the higher rounds of this draft. Really, after Cox, it’s a pretty big drop off to, I dunno, Matt Adams and Adron Chambers. Compare that to the pitchers, where you have Miller, Martinez, Jenkins, Blair, Swagerty, Lynn.
I think TINSTAAP is less true than it was, and it never really was true.
I don’t have a problem with this approach, and those scouts who think that Kolten Wong will need to be moved off of 2B have clearly never heard that anyone can play it. That sounds coy, but clearly the Cards’ threshold for adequacy at the keystone is lower than other teams, and that matters in evaluating this pick.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 7, 2011 5:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree with this
but the biggest issue that I have is drafting for need instead of taking the best players available. I guess I hope that you’re wrong — that Luhnow and Mozeliak really thought that Wong was the best player available in this spot and were not drafting for need based on what’s in the minor leagues at this time.
FWIW, taking the best player available is always the preferred route, because you can always then deal that guy to fill an organizational need later on.
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But don't you think that "best player available"
itself is determined in part by what an organization’s needs are? If, as was the case a few years ago, the Cards’ system was barren of top-level talent, mid-level talent, and even the high risk/high reward guys, don’t you think that a “best player available” looks a lot more like a Kolten Wong or Zach Cox or Brett Wallace than [fill-in the name of your typical raw flamethrowing 6’6", 225 pound right-handed pitcher here).
If, on the other hand, you have a system loaded with just-about-ready stars, the “best player available” looks a lot more like a signability risk guy with a JD Drew/Austin Wilson profile or a high-risk/high-reward Daric Barton type than a Kolten Wong/Zach Cox/Brett Wallace pick.
It’s not like this is Madden and all of the prospects have an overall rating number tatooed on their arses. I know that you don’t mean that, of course, but the oft-used “best player available” moniker, in all practicality already has some aspect of the team’s needs built in.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 8, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Kolten Wong wasn't in anyone's top 15 players in this draft.
There were THREE pitchers picked behind him that were in multiple top 15’s for most of the scouting reports that I looked at prior to the draft.
We picked Wong about where everyone with a mock draft was expecting him to go. But there were three players on the board (all pitchers) who had dropped considerably from where most people thought they would go, for various reasons.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your point, I think the organizations needs should be built in to who they are drafting. However, I think it’s fairly obvious to most (and this has been the opinion of a lot of people who’ve been covering the draft) that the Cardinals didn’t take the best player available, they took the guy that most helps their current farm system, and this strategy hasn’t worked out well for us in the past: Chris Lambert and Pete Kozma being two of those type picks.
I trust Luhnow that he knows what he’s doing, but as RB said in the Wednesday thread — our front office tends to not have a set draft strategy from year to year, or at least one that people can figure out by looking at their picks and their rumored interests (other than: we really, REALLY like guys who hit well in the Cape Cod League). I can see the advantages of this, but I can also see real disadvantages in not having a year to year strategy for procuring talent.
Now, if we’re in on a couple of stud pitchers in the Latin America market that we expect to tender contracts to in the coming months, that would make this pick a little easier to swallow.
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How so?
Why is wanting a high ceiling pitching talent over a 2B with less projection and a lower ceiling a rejection of TINSTAAPP?
TINSTAAPP essentially says that young pitchers will burn out at a high rate but ALSO that young pitchers who are blowing away hitters in A and AA aren’t really pitching prospects either — they’re already pitchers, and having them blowing away AA hitters for 18 months is just putting miles on them that aren’t helping the organization.
Here’s the way I see this message:
- Drafting pitchers is a dangerous thing. However, if you are going to draft pitchers, you should draft the ones with the highest possible upside and draft a LOT of those type of pitchers. If you do, and you promote accordingly, even the flame-out rate won’t prevent you from getting at least 1 or 2 great starters over a decade of drafting this way, and those 1 or 2 starters can make a huge difference for your organization.
- Very few pitchers ever get appreciably better after age 22. So if they’re blowing away hitters at AA at age 20, you should get them to the majors as fast as possible, because having them throwing minor league innings with the chance of having a major injury is just stupid. Better to get them up and get as much use out of them before putting too many miles on the Ferrari.
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It is dangerous
And you seem to have the risks assessed. I’m not against drafting pitchers as a rule, to be clear, though maybe a touch biased the other way. I just don’t get the strong feelings against this pick, and it caused me to wonder aloud if some people look too closely at the rosiest 5-10% of likely outcomes and not closely enough at the median. Wong seems very likely to make it in some capacity, with a reasonably good shot to get on base often enough to allow him in the top of the lineup.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 7, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I've said, I don't hate this pick
I think Wong has value, and at a position that we’ve had a really difficult time filling for most of my lifetime. After watching video of him I like the pick a little more, it’s the scouting reports and large swath of comparisons that really concern me.
I hate what this pick seems to represent, which is taking a player that fills an organizational need instead of taking the best talent available at the time.
Yes, we do have a lot of young arms in our minor league system. But TINSTAAPP would suggest that only 1/4 of those guys is going to make a perceptible difference at the MLB level before they flame out, get hurt, etc., so the TINSTAAPP theory would suggest that you should continue to draft those high upside starters (like Guerrieri) if they are the best players available when you pick.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Who do I need to murder to get the Proglide border ads to die
I’ve clicked those damn things about 10 times already today, even though I can’t see them with Adblock on (and, I might note, I only turned Adblock on for VEB because of those ads in the first place).
Are they Flash ads?
You could get Flashblock.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 7, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
at work, i've got so many windows anyway
so i make it just wide enough so that there is no scroll bar. ad is mostly gone. i haven’t found a way to block it
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
use google chrome.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 7, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
try using the hosts file
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Lineup.
Theriot 6, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Berkman 7, Craig 9, Molina 2, Schumaker 4, Descalso 5, Westbrook 1
needs more Holliday and less Schumaker
Rasmus batting second…. That’s pretty much where he was tearing it up earlier this year isn’t it?
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quick check of Rasmus splits
Batting 2nd:
.288 / .379 / .432
Batting 5th
.186 /.255 / .326
Batting 6th
.355 / .512 / .742
Of course, it could just be he started slumping when Holliday/Berkman went down and he moved into that 5th spot. But I wouldn’t be surprise if Tony is trying that whole “i’ll stick him in front of Pujols to get him going” thing he does.
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Doesn't everyo...
oh wait
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jun 7, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
Berkman to left? Makes sense.
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A very nice lineup,
until you get to the no. 7 hitter. Yikes. Schumaker & Descalso are quite the out-making duo.
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by bgh on Jun 7, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see why Descalso and Schumaker should ever be in the same lineup.
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TyLER GREENE STARTING SS!!!
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Is the bolded line a reference to something?
HOUSTON — Lance Berkman, who had seven RBIs in a series here in April, returns to the Cardinals’ lineup tonight after missing Sunday’s game following a cortisone shot for his sore wrist.
Berkman will play left field because there is less ground to cover there at Minute Maid Park, and Allen Craig will patrol right field.
Colby Rasmus, who is 24 years old, also is back after not starting Sunday so he could rest weary legs.
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I thought the mention of his age was strange.
It looks like it might be a shot at either Colby or TLR for claiming he needed a rest for “weary legs” even though he’s 24 and it’s the beginning of June. Then again, maybe I’m reading too much into it.
by Handsome B Wonderful on Jun 7, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
anybody who has to run around to make up for lance berkman's range is gonna have some sore legs.
don’t care if they’re 24 or 42.
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4 WAR! so manySS Greenes in baseball
The Phillies are known for drafting toolsy players and got one at the end of the 11th in shortstop Tyler Greene. He’s a plus runner with good leverage in his swing, but his tools haven’t translated to game play.
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Apparently if your name is Greene, you have tools that don't necessarily translate into results.
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Jose Lopez DFA'd
please no…
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I think that bridge was burnted
and any attempted to rebuild it was quickly bombed again by the allies.
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we drafted the wong guy.
/elmer fudd’d
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Oakland called up Jemile Weeks
You may remember him as the guy who went 1 pick before Brett Wallace in 2008.
.321/.417/.446 at AAA so far this year.
Is he still at second or did they
finally move him to CF like was discussed?
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second
didn’t play one game in the OF
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I know when he was drafed by the Brewers in 2005
there was some discussion about him ultimately going to the OF, so wasn’t sure.
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I remember that as well
but i guess they feel confident about his abilities to play 2B.
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Obviously a mistake
You NEVER draft a 2B in the first round, or haven’t you heard….
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 7, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Myers has given up 15 HRs this year
I wanna see an STL slugfest!
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