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Ryan Franklin, St. Louis Cardinals Reliever (2007-2011)

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Unlike old soldiers, old relievers generally don't fade away. Old relievers get blown up and then released or relegated to mop-up duty. It is generally a sad thing to see. What last season was for Trevor Hoffman, this season was for Ryan Franklin. Franklin was never a Hall-of-Fame closer but his fall of the Mount Proven Closer was just as sudden and brutal. A pitcher who joined the Cardinals in the World Series hangover season of 2007 and quickly spurred VEB to change the name of beers to "Franklins" because of the way he was successful--never striking anybody out and somehow managing a low BABIP--it's a wonder his fall didn't happen sooner.

Franklin was solid in relief for the Cardinals in 2007, posting a 3.04 ERA, 3.96 FIP, and 4.01 xFIP in 2007 despite a strikeout rate below 5.0 because he didn't walk many opposing batsmen and had a .247 BABIP. Likely due to his low ERA, Franklin re-signed with St. Louis and was BABIP'd (.302) the following season to the tune of a 3.55 ERA, 4.75 FIP, and 4.70 xFIP even though he struckout nearly a full batter more per nine innings. In the great bullpen implosion of '08, Franklin was one of the few solid performers.

On Opening Day 2009, first-time big-league closer Jason Motte was apple-jacked and Franklin quickly assumed the closer duties. His performance was excellent if unsustainable:  1.92 ERA, 3.31 FIP, and 4.22 xFIP. His walk rate was ridiculously low at 0.30 (that is not a type-o) 3.43 (it was a type-o)*. Named an All-Star, Franklin ended the season with 38 saves and made the bullpen woes of the season prior seem a distant memory. At least until Game 2 of the NLDS against the Dodgers, when Matt Holliday botched a routine pop out and the Dodgers rallied off Franklin to win the game en route to a series sweep. It exposed Franklin for what he was, a stabilizing workhorse dependent on location, his defense, luck, and guille. In the face of baserunners, Franklin was incapable of mixing a plus fastball with ungodly breaking stuff as he struck out the side to extinguish the fire.

*While putting this together I misread HR/9 for BB/9. A tip of the hat to to stlcardsfan4 for catching my mistake in this paragraph and the one below.

His 2010 looked a lot like his 2008 at the end of the season. Franklin posted a 3.46 ERA, 3.83 FIP, and 3.93 xFIP. He continued to have a miniscule posted a low walk rate, at 0.90 1.38, and again struck out not enough batters (5.82 K/9), and walked the line with a .249 BABIP. Franklin converted 27 save opportunities as the club underperformed and missed the playoffs. There was no reason to believe he would not be the club's closer for the duration of 2011, even if the Cardinals experimented with an apprentice closer in preparation for his retirement.

Franklin opened 2011 the way Motte opened 2009, by blowing the save on Opening Day as the Cardinals lost the game before the home faithful. He never seemed to recover. A successful west-coast road trip could have been even more successful without his glaring failures. The smoke-and-mirrors techniques of years past began to fail him, as did his defense. Rasmus, Pujols, and others gave away outs before Franklin gave away games and a crisis in confidence bloomed into a relegation to the bullpen's last arm. 

John Mozeliak went on the record stating that they hoped to use Franklin in end-of-game situations again this season. His manager, ever loyal to his guys, stuck up for him and lashed out at Cardinals fans for the boo birds sang at the failing closer. La Russa even stated he didn't want to use Franklin because of fan reaction...after a game in Washington D.C.

Mop-up reliever was the role Franklin filled last night when he entered the game at Camden Yards with a comfortable 6-0 lead. After yet another home run allowed--the ninth of 2011 compared to the nine allowed in '08 and '09 combined--La Russa fetched him from the mound and sent him to the showers. It would be the last time Franklin would pitch wearing the fabled Birds on the Bat.

Franklin was designated for assignment today after accruing the following line for the season:

27.2 IP, 1 SV, 4 BS, 5.53 K/9, 2.28 BB/9, 2.93 HR/9, .354 BABIP, 37.9 GB%, 8.46 ERA, 6.82 FIP, 4.17 xFIP

Like Jason Isringhausen before him, Franklin lost his mojo and the results followed. The end of Franklin's Cardinals tenure has marred the solid production he gave the club from 2007 through 2010. A reluctant closer, he got the job done with pinpoint control. When that ability to locate pitches abandoned him, the Cardinals did the same after exercising much more patience than many fans would have preferred. 

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would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Law and Order: VEB soon to come

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

CROSS PROMOTION!

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Jun 29, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

May not be covered under per diem

But he’s gets his 2011 salary in full.

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jun 29, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice typing.

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jun 29, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haa-lelujah! Halelujah! Halelujah!

"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11

by hr on Jun 29, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

we can still call them franklins

it’s not like the tarp or laser glare or the trophy humping memes died out.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tecates?

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Jun 29, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

M M M my Corona!

2011 WAR watch: Theriot = 0.6, Boog = 1.3 as of Jun 28
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by Paulspike on Jun 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

a damned refreshing beverage?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 29, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes you eat the bar...

And sometimes, well, it eats you.

He had some luck in 2009 and 2010 and some unluck in 2011. Based on xFIP, he was always sort of average. Good for him on cashing in on his good fortune in 2009 and 2010.

Good night, sweet prince.

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Jun 29, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

farewell goat beard

may the squirrels find a place to rest

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's not dead.

I had nothing to do with that.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

by TBender on Jun 29, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stanford

…wait

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Fritz retracted that

But I don’t put it past Omar to get it done anyway.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jun 29, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Weiner.

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by mysterui on Jun 29, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like that guy's never cosplayed

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

leave it to you to find that.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 29, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm game if you are.

so what do you wish to discuss?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 29, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to see Favre out of retirement.

2011 WAR watch: Theriot = 0.6, Boog = 1.3 as of Jun 28
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by Paulspike on Jun 29, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fake boners are like real boners.

Funny.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Jun 29, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

who is taking his spot on the roster?

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jun 29, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Per

@cardsinsider, it won’t be announced until tomorrow. Maybe Augenstein?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jun 29, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only pitchers that are on the 40-man and aren't hurt

are Augenstein and Cleto. The position players are Cox, Carpenter, Kozma, Brown, Chambers, Anderson and Greene.

Falcon Punch!

by jacksonian on Jun 29, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't finish typing

I wonder if that heath bell trade is close to be complete.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jun 29, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Felonious threw out Ottavino in the other thread

I think that’s a reasonable guess

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jun 29, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is good news for the team

a sad day for Frankie. I imagine he knew it was coming, though, he could tell that it wasn’t there any more. Of course, the remaining $1.6M that he’ll get between now and October (December?) will ease that sadness a bit, I suppose.

by ArkansasTravs on Jun 29, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

that 1.6 will buy a shit-ton of therapy.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 29, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

also a shit-ton of liquor

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jun 29, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a shit-ton of hunting gear

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jun 29, 2011 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

otherwise known as a shit-ton of therapy

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 29, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that was educational.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 29, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin's gonna Frank

I’m not going to dance on his grave, but I’m happy that we’re finally making [obvious] moves to strengthen our bullpen. I’ve never gotten over Franky’s inability to regroup after Holliday’s teste grab in 2009, but he did save some games for us back in the day. And so it goes.

The big question is this: if another reliever has a horrendous outing this coming Tuesday, will they too be released the next day?

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by dan on Jun 29, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

avocado.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Him or Tallet

Let the chips fall how they may.

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by dan on Jun 29, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not like one outing did Franklin in

So, I’m not too concerned about the others in the pen. I’d like to think that Trevor Miller can turn it around, but then again the same thing was said about Franklin.

I think what this does do however, is put a little fear into the relievers in that they could be next. That’s a good thing or a bad thing, depending how you look at it.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jun 29, 2011 6:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

trever has an e

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jun 29, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh oh. He's doomed, then.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Jun 30, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying one inning was his downfall

I’m just highlighting the coincidence that on two consecutive Tuesdays two bad relievers gave two bad outings and were both released on the following Wednesday.

Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10

by dan on Jun 29, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

we must revisit this thread if Miller gives up a touchdown next week

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jun 29, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was jubilant about the batista release last week because it was a guy whom we never should have signed.

today, i just feel sad. franklin (somehow) gave cardinals great results during a tenure and was very reliable as the closer for about two seasons. watching his career fall apart before everyone’s (including his) eyes was just sad to watch.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 29, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

The end of a good career (and Franklin did have a good career, on balance) is a sad thing, even when the end comes in a spectacular crash and burn rather than gracefully, a la Ray Lankford, etc.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by StanTheManFan on Jun 29, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It is a little sad when you’re essentially watching a player’s career ending. I am thankful for what he gave us in 09 and even 10, and the other years he was reliable. It must be a crappy thing to be on a fast moving train, living the high life, only to have that train speeding towards a cliff and exploding upon impact with the ground below.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jun 29, 2011 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

-2

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on Jun 29, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it better to burn out

than to fade away?

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jun 29, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was kinda expecting the scene from Highlander but that works, too.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 29, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same

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by mattybobo on Jun 29, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad franklin is good

I wish it would have happened sooner. However; I do appreciate the job he did up until the this year. I think sending him down to Memphis would have been doing him a disservice. I don’t think he has much to gain there. And i’m sure he wouldn’t enjoy his time. Give him his money, and if he still wants to pitch and another team wants to take a flier on him great. Hopefully he can find that magic again.

Sending out to the wolves night after night wasn’t doing him or the cardinals any good.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jun 29, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

beat me to it.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 29, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

doh!

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jun 29, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad dugout scene

I was at last night’s game, sitting along the right field line with a clear view into the Cardinals’ dugout through my binoculars. I’m like everyone else in knowing it was time for him to go, but it was really sad to see how miserable Ryan’s face looked as he sat there at the very end of the bench. Tony was standing in his usual spot to one side of him, and Duncan was sitting next to him at least some of the time, and no one seemed to be saying a word. Ryan got up at one point to walk down to the other end of the bench to retrieve his jacket, and Westbrook—the only other player on the bench at the moment—gave him a little smile and a pat on the rear. When Salas got the third out on the fly ball, I immediately swung my binoculars back to the dugout and Ryan was already gone.

by Westie on Jun 29, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think this is my nomination for LOY-ever

Welcome to VEB, and thanks for the note. I’ve been a Franklin fan for a long time, and still think guys like him have a lot to teach quasi-sabermetricians, even the best of which are still using hammers to drive screws. He did something special for a few years, and it’s a shame he didn’t retire after last year.

"Now that they've come out with that great stat, 'innings pitched per inning'-- is there anything they don't have a stat for these days?" -Al Hraboski, 3 Jun 11

by SleepyCA on Jun 30, 2011 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

true

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Jun 29, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, I expect my sadness to have gone away

by the time TLR calls the bullpen tonight and somebody else starts warming up.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by StanTheManFan on Jun 29, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Augenstein...

isn’t an improvement. That’s like getting rid of Nixon in favor of Gerald Ford.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jun 29, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

..........

I have to walk away from this one. /we have the no politics rule for a good reason

A testy Pujols when asked by @JoeStrauss if he thinks this injury will affect his future "that’s a stupid question, Joe," then walks off.

by nota bene on Jun 29, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like getting rid of Berlusconi...

for any other Italian politician…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jun 29, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO POLITICS!

Besides it’s a silly politics comment, Nixon was a loved, easily re-elected president who had his second term ended and image tarnished by the watergate scandal, Ford had little time to be anything but a placeholder before the scandal kept him from having any chance of being re-elected whether he was good or bad, neither was blamed for bad policy or a bad economic, foreign affair, or social issue during thier reign

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 29, 2011 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The replacement-level placeholder analogy works, though.

Speaking not to politics but to baseball, can we expect anything better than that out of a Franklin replacement?

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by StanTheManFan on Jun 29, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Augie's probably about replacement-level

Franklin was worth -1.1 WAR

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by mysterui on Jun 29, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is like the opposite of last year,

We’re getting better as the year goes on by dropping bad players, rather than getting worse by adding them.

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 29, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You sunofa . . .

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 29, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

WinRAR?

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jun 29, 2011 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

7z

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by dan on Jun 29, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

touche

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jun 29, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for everything Franklin

have a good life.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 29, 2011 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

That September 2009 extension...

should keep him financially secure. Funny thing is we had him locked up for 2010 – the whole point of the extension was to secure him for 2011!

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Jun 29, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin was a true competitor

Who didn’t have a competitor’s stuff.

I’m sure this is a very tough moment for him, one I hope his millions and millions of dollars will help him overcome.

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by Ray DeRousse on Jun 29, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

It irks me how people believe

That having millions of dollars will make everything better. I think having that type of money would be great, but I don’t believe it would soften the blow that was the end of a career.

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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jun 29, 2011 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind trying, though.

Sign me to a guaranteed $3M contract in my current job, then fire me while leaving the $3M and benefits intact, and I think I’ll get over my sadness soon enough.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by StanTheManFan on Jun 29, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like the minimizing of how much this sucks for him because he has millions of dollars

I’m not trying to say FEELINGS, NOT BASEBALL!!! but there’s only so much that money can cover, and being told that you’re not good enough at something you really love is pretty painful.
I don’t want him on our team either, but I think some margin of respect for the guy is due.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jun 29, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya'll aint talking about me are you?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 29, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, really.

I promise to give it back in full in 2 year’s time.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jun 29, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I promise to send back the 3 pigs as virgins

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 29, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Send me your virgin sister and 3 pigs

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 29, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do have a virgin sister

Give me a little time to go hijack a fairy tale

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jun 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't do that

from Rui’s moms basement?

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 29, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every time I try to respond to this

It ends up much sexier than planned

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jun 29, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a curse

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Jun 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that's done

Franklin seems like a good guy, teammate, competitor, and all of that. Watching a guy who, for the past four seasons, was at least a useful piece of the puzzle implode like this got old. It’s too bad he couldn’t have faded a bit more gracefully.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 29, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Dttl89 on Jun 29, 2011 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember when i predicted he would strike out the side?

good times Frankie.

also the Pujols underwear incident was hilarious.

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by CodyG on Jun 29, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking about this morning.

Neither are on the active roster.

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jun 29, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I said this morning

I meant two hours ago

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jun 29, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So everyone remembers that Ryan Franklin is a former PED user right?

I feel like there’s a little career whitewashing going on. He’s not exactly an exemplary character. Also, that he was essentially a neutral asset for the club despite us paying him close to 8M dollars over that time frame. I’m not shedding any tears for this guy. He lasted longer than I ever expected and exasperated me the whole time while doing it.

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by azruavatar on Jun 29, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope no one is mourning his passing.

Feeling for the guy, maybe. But sad to see him go? Not me. Does this sound contradictory?

Still not a werewolf.

by clank on Jun 30, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

a little? it's like no one remember's all the blown games all of a sudden

franky sucked, always had, always will. plus he “cheated” yeah, i’m not losing any sleep over this nor do i feel the least bit bad for him.

just because he was a little likable doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be ecstatic he’s finally been DFA’d. don’t cry for franky, cry for us that we have a team so full of loyal idiots who needlessly put us through his career implosion.

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by gdm426 on Jun 30, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

congratulations, you won.

Except, he was a 4.9 brWAR pitcher as a Cardinal; would have been over 6 without the extension, which pretty much everyone opposed (or if TLR hadn’t kept sending him out there this year). IE, in the real world, he helped the team more than most relievers would have, even if he frustrated you by not failing sooner.

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by SleepyCA on Jun 30, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC, brWAR is based on ERA or RA which is especially nonsensical to me for relievers.

fWAR, which has him as neutral would even give him the benefit of chaining (another concept I hate) so I don’t think I’m being at all disingenuous with my evaluation of his contributions. Obviously there are differences among the metrics though.

I don’t get the hand wringing over a player that no one has liked during his tenure on the club.

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by azruavatar on Jun 30, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get that taking PEDs is cheating

but I’m not going to grade anybody’s character because they took PEDs. in fact, i could really give two shits that Franklin cheated. Look at the rest of the MLB. With the environment, the potential gains, and the supposed risk (minimal), I don’t think it says that much on your character if your career is going nowhere and baseball is your whole life.

Too much gray area for me to just say “I don’t feel bad for Franklin because he cheated and got $8 million because of it” – I feel bad for Franky (because his fall was so hard), but am thrilled the front office did the right thing.

But then again, you’re heartless so you wouldn’t understand.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 30, 2011 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

The whole PED thing doesn't bother me

I don’t care that Franklin, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod, or anyone else did PEDs before the rules where changed. Even charlie sheen realizes the power PEDs have on a pitching career and took them.

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Jun 30, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm surprised no one noticed this, but bgh, your walk rates are way off

You were looking at his HR/9 rate. A 0.30 BB/9???? When has that been done (beside Cliff Lee maybe). Nah Franklin had a 1.24 BB/9 in 2007 and in 2009, when you said he had a 0.30 BB/9, he actually was quite bad with a 3.54 BB/9. Last year, he improved to 1.38 BB/9

Otherwise, you probably mistook HR/9 as BB/9 otherwise Franklin would have been a much better pitcher.

"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
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by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 30, 2011 3:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I did make that mistake.

Thanks for catching it.

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by bgh on Jun 30, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two down, one to go.

Batista and Franklin down, is Trever Miller next? It seemed for the past month it was inevitable.

I’m guessing his roster spot is filled by either Bell or Augenstein. Once Sanchez is back and as long as Boggs doesn’t implode again, the back-end of the bullpen should work itself out with Boggs/Motte and Sanchez as the setup with Salas closing. If only the two lefty specialists weren’t bad…

by Alfie Crow on Jun 30, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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