baby, you're a lost cause
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 12:25 AM EDT
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so much depends
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beer
glasses and my
unsustainable
batting average
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balls in
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okay, we've had fun, but it's time to go, miguel. you never belonged on the team, and some people spent a lot of time pretending you did. at the top of the seventh, jaime bequeathed a game that was 6-2 cards. at the end of the seventh, it was 8-6. a lot of the baserunners were batista's, though a walk, a wild pitch, and a hbp from miller, and a single and a walk from motte didn't help. no, there's blame to go around, but this is the game where everyone with eyes and a brain should have realized miguel batista is not a major league pitcher. when kyle mcclellan rejoins us, there's no reason for him to stay on the squad, just none. all the babip and lob luck sustaining him has collapsed.
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By the way
does Boggs LOOK any different? Surely there’s a very noticeable repeated delivery now!
his beard is shorter
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
more important why wasn't tlr calling on the now "stretched out" boggs quicker?
and what’s up with augenstein?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
TLR says he didn't want to use Boggs because he had only pitched once since his call-up
Or some crap like that. It makes no damn sense.
I think he wanted him avalible to peggie back on K-Mac
But he can’t really say “I expect K-Mac to only pitch three innings in his first return.”
Grit != flat out sucking.
this is what the P-D said
“La Russa also pondered Mitchell Boggs, but noted that Boggs had worked only once since returning from Class AAA Memphis.”
And apparently Franklin will be pitching tonight
“You don’t know how long (Kyle) McClellan is going (in his first start after coming off the DL) and Franklin can be the innings guy.”
By the way, are the Cards the only team that routinely brings its players back from the DL without any sort of Rehab?
if so, why not boggs last night
tlr is too smart for his own good
up 6-1, make sure you win that game
not worry about what may happen tomorrow
he leaves too many bullets in his gun way too often
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
6 bring in boogs
when you are up 6-2 in the 7th inning. That’s what you have the long inning guys for. If Batista or Franklin can’t do that then they need to be off the roster.
Grit != flat out sucking.
man, this crossbreed between Boggs and Boog,
TLR must absolutely hate it
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
before tonight Batista was at 5.2 K/9 to 5.2 BB/9
with a 5.41 xFIP and .230 BABIP. that just spells disaster
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 12:45 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe Tony still can't see out of both eyes yet.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
no he hasn't
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jun 15, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tony said the guy just had a bad day
day!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
And it was a night game!
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You should just look at the guy pitch
a wild, very hittable fastball with not much else behind it. To be fair, he got a bit unlucky in this game (as least two, if not three of the hits were bad swings on balls out of the zone that just got lucky, and the Nats seemed to score 8 whilst only hitting about 4 balls out of the infield), but that doesn’t mask the fact he’s been throwing garbage for two months and getting super lucky with it.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't care of there is a logic or reason behind keeping him
he and Franklin are just unstable nuclear reactors, waiting to meltdown in the middle of a the Cardinals season. After tonight, there is literally no lead safe from either of those two. Atleast one of them has to go.
My illogical fan side of me wants him thrown in the Potomac. I can’t bear to look at him in a Cardinals uniform anymore.
I think it is pretty clear what the Cardinals will use their ‘one bullet’ at the trade deadline on: bullpen.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2011 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
yeah
we will probably have to overpay for Bell after drawing out the drama of Batista and Franklin too long. I’m not very confident in Tallet either, and most people here are saying Miller needs to go too. this is like half the bullpen… something needs to be done I guess. starting rotation may be able to make it, although I must admit many of the concerns people have about that rotation in the playoffs are in the back of my mind. but that pales in comparison to the crappy middle infield (sound familiar?) and the Batista Franklinstein monster
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
haha Tallet has a 4.15 HR/9 in 4.1 IP against lefties
I don’t know why, but that’s just a funny stat to me.
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@Codeeg
but it's also another reason why SSS are deceptive, Tallet has a career 0.94 HR/9 against LH batters.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
I forget that he's only pitched in like 10 freakin innings
but his FIP is pretty scary so far
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Miller is toast
I used to think he was going to come around, but he just can’t get outs any more. Tallet doesn’t inspire confidence either.
Who’s the next lefty in line for a call up from the minors? Anybody?
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
no one
i mean, i guess raul valdes
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 15, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sam Freeman
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Yeah I agree, but i think his name is worth a mention
what’s his velocity like post-op?
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Valdes is good, better than Miller or Tallet vs LHB
he should be up now. DFA Tallet, call up Valdes. DFA Batista.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The next Dave Duncan Reclaimation Project: Scott Kazmir?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/06/scott-kazmir-likely-to-be-released.html
He’d be cheap, he’s only 27, and maybe he just needs some down time and a sprinkle of Duncan magics to righten his ship!
:=8)
Griebenschmaltz!
and an arm transplant.
Kazmir is done.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kaz is only 27?
Goodness, I thought he was much older than that. I guess, he was brought up when he was 20.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
And his arm is 54
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I wonder if he'd be willing to sign as a LOOGY for the rest of the year.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
If Pitch F/X is to be believed, he's finished.
Most major league pitchers have to be able to throw harder than the 55 years bullpen coach that throws BP. He can’t, so he’s finished.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
K-Mac is our best LOOGY
I hope we get another SP, or even go with Lynn, and move K-Mac back into the pen.
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: The Riot 4, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Berkman 9, Jay 7, Molina 2, Greene T. 6, DD 5, pitcher (Get well soon: Holliday, Craig, Punto, Freese, Waino)
Here's facts
During Miller’s intentional walk yesterday, I was actually fearful he would uncork a wild pitch.
Overpaying for a 9th inning guy when we need a 6th inning guy is really, really, really dumb
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almost all of our bullpen issues can be solved by just removing dead wieght
and replacing them with live weight. Remove Batista or Franklin when K-Mac comes back. Suddenly the Bullpen isn’t god awful. Find a LOOGY who can get a guy out without walking or hitting him.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jun 15, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is correct
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I thought larry's comments about needing starting pitching
Were, as usual, astute. Track down a good starter and he’d bring huge value. Plus, he’d bump k-mac to the bullpen, which would stabilize the pen, too.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 1:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I would agree
except that I believe the on-field management is fully committed to Kyle as a major league starter.
Other than Garcia, I don’t trust any of our starters to fill out the Top 3 you need in a playoff series. We are just going to have to slug teams to death.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
"game 2 starter kyle lohse" doesn't make your heart sing?
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 1:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking that crucial swing game 3 starter
“with the season on the line, the Cardinals will hand the ball to their 2nd most reliable starter, Lance Lynn….”
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt be completely worried about Garcia, Carp and Lohse as the starters
in a playoff series. And moving Kyle to the bullpen would shore up the right side. Problem is, we still have nothing from the left and we have a SS who can’t field routine plays and a 2b with no range. This team has multiple problems.
it's the playoffs
Jaime can be a loogy and start. What, are you saying him for his next start or something?
Grit != flat out sucking.
Sounds similar to...
“in the opener of the World Series, the Cardinals are going with…Anthony Reyes.”
Too soon?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
it works for me
the playoffs are a crapshoot. And in 2006, I loved it.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
luckily we have 3 of the top hitters of this era on our team
so that is possible
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
on the team, not on the field
will all 3 be healthy for the playoffs (should we make them, gob willing)? My pessimistic inclination is to say no.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
I am going to say that odds are yes they will all be healthy
but perhaps that is too much to wish for. luckily it seems most of the team can hit pretty well.
my main concern is the overall effect of a middle infield of theriot and schumaker. was worried about this before the season, and as many innings are logged those two are going to tax endurance of the starters more than it should, which will mean we will have to rely on the bullpen more, and with both Batista and Franklin lurking there that is very scary.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
If Pujols, Berkman, Holiday and Rasmus are all in the lineup at the same time, the MIF can be two bounceback stands and a limbo stick for all I care.
However, when the middle of our order pushes the team to put up 6 runs, we need people who can actually get the 9 outs needed in the 7th, 8th and 9th without giving up more than 5 runs.
I would like a new SS/2B as much as anyone and I hate spending resources to find bullpen help but as long as Tony has Franklin, Batista and Miller to use, not only is he going to use them out of stubbornness but also out of necessity.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, and there's nothing more annoying than losing games because of a shitty bullpen
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
although with 2 terrible fielders in the mif it is costing the team runs and forcing the pitchers to throw more
that should be something to be avoided, especially when we have players to replace schu and theriot. if theriot must start it really should be at 2B. if he’s that mentally fragile so as to not play well at second base, he should be a bench player.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
skip has been swinging a wet noodle
but hasn’t he been about average at 2B this year? it’s only been 220ish innings at 2B for him, but hasn’t his bat cost more runs than his glove so far this year?
uzr has liked him this year
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it is a coincidence that we are struggling more
now that our “MIF” is healthy
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes but without the necessity he still may use them out of stubbornness
Which may just kill me
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 15, 2011 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel like we need a portmanteau for this
stubbornessity?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
When Punto and Freese return
Our infield should look like this:
1B – Albert
2B – Descalso/Craig platoon
SS – Punto
3B – Freese.
I emphasize SHOULD. TLR will clearly continue to play Skip and Theriot, because that just what he’s going to do, dammit. The problem with Theriot is that we need SOMEONE who can lead off, and he’s one of the few guys on the team who actually looks decent in that spot. I suppose if Punto can continue to hit like he did prior to his second injury, he could man the top spot. But I wouldn’t consider that likely.
That’s why I like kicking the tires on Jose Reyes so much. He solves SO many problems with our middle infield and lead-off situation.
Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t mind seeing Allen Craig, David Freese, or even Yadi leading off, but I just don’t expect that to happen.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
it is death by a thousand paper cuts
below average here and there soon means too much below average
erriot cannot plays, but his offense is ok
move him to second and if that doesn’t work, he moves on
and so on down the line
some tough decisions for jmo coming up
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i haven't seen lynn's starts, and fangraphs doesn't have any information on him, strangely
but is there a chance we could keep lynn as our 5th starter and move k-mac back to the pen? that frees us up to make a better deal at the trade deadline, yeah? or is lynn not ready yet?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
can't bring him back up for a few more days
and they won’t do that to KMac. Might make Lynn a reliever though.
Grit != flat out sucking.
wat
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tat wat
but is there a chance we could keep lynn as our 5th starter
Lynn was recently sent back down to memphis. They can’t recall him just yet with sending someone to the DL.
move k-mac back to the pen?
At this point they wouldn’t do that to K-Mac. He has worked hard for several years earning the trust of his manager and pitching coach. When he tried out for the 5th starter last year he didn’t make a fuss when they went with Garcia. He has done nothing this year to warrant losing his spot in the rotation.
Might make Lynn a reliever though.
If someone is going to more from a starting role to a relieving role on this team it will be lance lynn when he returns to the bigs.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Moving Lynn to a relieving role is dumb. Really dumb.
Just wait for Augie
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You basically can't draw any conclusions from a 5 IP sample size
But we just need him to be a decent 6th inning guy. If he is Blake Hawksworth or better (which I think he is), then we should use him
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He's down on FG As "Michael Lynn" I think
and I agree with your idea, I think. Solid as KMac’s been in the rotation, he’s been a bit lucky, and I’d be happy to have him throwing from the pen.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess is....
Batista will stay because he is a seasoned veteran in Tony’s eyes. I can’t stand Batista and tonight he only helped that in my mind. But has Batista been worse than Milller.? Trevor hasn’t been good at all in my eyes. Certainly not as effective as last season.
I wonder what a Jeremy Affeldt or a Sergio Romo might cost? Because Batista deserves a DFA yesterday.
"It's not so much me as it is Roenick. He's good." - Trent
"I took the Kings to the Cup" - Sue.
"Yea that was against the computer with the offsides turned off" - Trent
i doubt either of them are for sale
maybe for yadi
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
Beyond that...
Al repeatedly praised him as being a leader in the bullpen for the young guys.
Al pretty much repeats the company line.
(Beyond that, he’s also apparently the translator. You’d think they’d have language classes in the minors, English for players from Spanish countries, Spanish for English speakers)
But if it were me, I’d try to scrape up a starter (or even use Lance Lynn as one) and put McClellan back in the bullpen.
They do have English classes in the minors for Spanish speaking players.
Vuch talked about that in a recent interview.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why a team featuring:
Albert Pujols, Yadi Molina, Jamie Garcia, Jose Oquendo, and Tony La Russa needs a sixth fluent Spanish/English speaker, but I’m willing to bet they can get one from a local high school for ~ $7/hr.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
no one ever remembers Allen Craig.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
who?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
has this been appended to Seattle yet, or is it just a matter of time?
/glossary query
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Good thing
Horton and Al were trumpeting Batista as a great mentor for the young guys this year. Mentor of what I’m not sure, but I’m sure this will be one of the reasons he stays.
"Guys, this is how you keep your cool after you've had a bad outing."
“Yeah, we GET it already, Miguel.”
by Andyfantastic on Jun 15, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Also, because of their different roles on the team
Batista has a worse impact
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Batista and Miller are both toast.
Neither should be throwing important innings for a contending team.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dodgers down by 2, bottom ninth, 1 out, 1 on.
Tell me more, Vin.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 1:05 AM EDT reply actions
Cordero with about 37 throws over to first. Kemp on.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 1:06 AM EDT reply actions
And Kemp promptly steals second.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Loney singles Kemp home. One run game now.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 1:09 AM EDT reply actions
The look on Tony's face was priceless
when he came to give the hook to Batista.
He looked at the umpire, shook his head as if to say “What the fuck am I supposed to do with this?!?”
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2011 1:10 AM EDT reply actions
was there any postgame interview with Larussa tonight?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
there was
i was only half paying attention but it seemed like TLR just shrugged Batista’s 7th as him “having a bad night.” He wasn’t really pressed that hard after that. He definitely looked frustrated though.
by molina mo problems on Jun 15, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think LA caught a break there. Pinch runner for Loney went into second standing up.
Looked like the throw beat him and was tagged, but called safe.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 1:11 AM EDT reply actions
Barajas pops out. Couldn't quite pull it off. Reds win.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
and dodgers management declares that it is fining
Each player for lack of effort. Exactly enough to meet payroll in june!
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 1:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and every player will have their checks docked
for not cutting their damn sideburns! The sum total is believed to be $8.4 M, exactly what they owe Mannywood.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What is the Cardinals record when leading after 6?
What is the Cardinals record when trailing after 6?
I’m interested to see if we’ve been unlucky, lucky or if our bullpen really has given away a healthy lead in this division.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2011 1:20 AM EDT reply actions
It'd certainly be skewed by the beginning of the season.
I’d also like to see these records when leading after 6 since giving up on Ryan Franklin to see how much better it has gotten.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 15, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure how to look that up but it does appear the Cards have a problem when there's runners in scoring position
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
not nearly as bad if by FIP though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
wow the NL central basically sucks with runners in scoring postion
note:we are still higher than the brewers and reds according to FIP
http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&type=1&season=2011&month=29&season1=2011
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
is the big discrepancy between ERA and FIP with runs in scoring position mean that the defense is choking?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
no, it's situational base
If all FIP measures is HR/BB/K, it won’t show the base clearing double that ERA does.
though I’m not 100% certain i’m right.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
actually, for some reason I'm definitly more certain.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Uh not at all, check out everyone else's giant split
FIP is context neutral, a solo home run counts the same as a bases loaded HR.
ERA is very much not context neutral obviously as a solo home run is 1/4 as bad as a grand slam.
Not afraid to nitpick
thanks
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 15, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep telling myself that Theriot's defense has to regress to something
better than catastrophic. I really wish Greene had stepped up so that some of this would be a moot point, but, Lord, that middle infield. There just aren’t words.
Hey everybody
look at how clutch our offense has been
http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&type=3&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011
and here
http://www.fangraphs.com/teams.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&type=1&season=2011&month=29&season1=2011
This team is awesome.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
did you see how unclutch our pitching is?
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 2:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sadly yes,
I want to focus on the positives on nights we lose.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
wow,
Our offense is still just head and shoulders over the crowd
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
well have you seen Matt Holliday
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
he's like three men, maybe three and a half
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
don't tell sheen
he’ll think he’s being one up’d
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
that's the thing,
I haven’t in a while, and schu came back so you would think the average would shrink
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Legandary Cardinals second baseman Ronnie Belliard retired today
we will always remember you.
RETIRE #7!
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
the Tongue!
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
I wasn't sure that was thing
I just remember him doing it all the time.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
needs moar thug4life gif
but gdm pulled it. bgh might have a copy.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rockies' series right after the all-star break
I didn’t get to watch any of the game, but gameday seemed eerily familiar of the woebegone series last season when the rockies decided to play baseball while we enjoyed anything but playing real baseball.
I was at the game.
Don’t blame me; I had my section yell “pull him!” after the third pitch.
I’m still drunk.
by Oedipa Maas on Jun 15, 2011 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
How is this not green?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Would rec if it was before first pitch.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
f'n buffalo wild wings contract
and yet still doin’ it wrong.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hooray! I was afraid everybody here had put
“Sea change” at the back of their pile of cd’s after hearing the first three songs and never listened again.I think that may have been a common response.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I miss Boog.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
is this a good time to mention Ludwick has two top plays on fespn
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
don't link to video or anything
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
thanks I won't
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that I would wish pain on anybody
but I hope that Tony had a splitting headache after last nite. That seventh inning was inexcusable. Batista should’ve been yanked long before. And don’t even get me started on Theriot.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
Oedipa Maas says it all.
I tried to defend the move somewhat to a Cubs fan friend that was laughing about us picking him up, when it happened. There is no real defense anymore, pun intended. Sad pun is sad. The guy is just bad, the balls he doesn’t boot are the ones he doesn’t get to. His hands might as well belong to a first gen android for as well as they work. and that nice wet noodle arm that makes me want Eck back. Eck just looked like he was playing HiLi but at least he had an idea of what he was doing with it. Theriot shouldn’t even be over there. His footwork would make Fred Astaire cry. Is that what you were looking for, frog?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pete Gray
could play better shortstop.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be something to see.
But he could at least teach people how to bunt.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
apparently I didn't say it all.
but your description will do nicely, if I may say so.
by Oedipa Maas on Jun 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Jai Alai
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Don't you curse me like that.
evidently, you haven’t seen this.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Idea
Okay time to get lambasted but it’s on my mind so I’m getting it off of there. What would it take to get Yunel Escobar? Put him at short, slide Theriot to 2nd. Schumacher is super utility. Send Dirty Dan down when Punto gets back. (Or DFA Punto for all I care.) Then address the bullpen with a not quite Heath Bell but not quite Miguel Bautista arm. (I liked the Scott Kazmir reference earlier.)
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
idgaf
he’s getting paid enough so he can take a few steps to his left without whining
if that would make him a more successful fielder, why the rioting against it?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
they traded for him. and fuck him.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 15, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I never agreed with you more.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
the day they traded for him
was the day Mo said he was our starting short stop.
Grit != flat out sucking.
that disputes neither of my salient points.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I don't know. If they actually did guarantee to him he'd play short when they made the trade,
it wouldn’t look good to future FA’s if they forced him to move to 2nd.
On the other hand, if an uninvolved party made him an offer he couldn’t refuse, well, the Cardinals would have to agree with Theriot’s request to move out of fearing for his safety.
You know what to do.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
I would explain to future FAs, if they were concerned, that Ryan Theriot is a terrible, terrible shortstop.
So if you don’t want to lose your job, don’t be awful at it.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 15, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i bet we resign him for 2012 too
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
Not really disputing them
Theriot has a place on this team if he leads off and puts up a .350 OBP and plays adequate defense. To do that all he has to do is not make a shit ton of errors. I understand that there will be a few plays he can’t get to, I under stand that there may be a few infield singles because of his arm.
But he can’t make errors like he has. I don’t believe moving him to second is going to fix the number of errors he has either.
At this point it looks like he is playing either because “We said he is the starting short stop, so he is the starting short stop damnit.” Or, we don’t have anyone else who we believe can lead off, and we told him we were just going to have him play short, plus it’s not like he isn’t going to make a shit ton of errors at second if we put him there."
Grit != flat out sucking.
The Nats fan behind me at the game
asked me, if T-Roe was a natch for second base, why he wasn’t there, following it up with “who’s at second now?” I answered, honestly, “because the guy at second (Schu) sucks more than him.”
by Oedipa Maas on Jun 15, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he have an NTC at the time?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Then it wouldn't have mattered what Mo said at that time.
Just move his ass now. “But, but, but…..I’m a shortstop, I tell you!” “Shut up, bitchboy. If you want a paycheck, then you’ll play where we tell, when we tell you.”
/this is the conversation in my dreams.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he'd been around longer than that.
So he just seems interminable…..
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think that's the biggest fear
he still has one more year of arbitration
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The Cubs wanted to be rid of him so badly
they paid the Dodgers to take him off their hands:
1 year/$2.6M (2010)
lost arbitration with Chicago Cubs 2/20/10 ($3.4M-$2.6M)
acquired by LA Dodgers in trade from Cubs 7/31/10 (Cubs paid Dodgers $2.5M in deal)
acquired by St. Louis in trade from LA Dodgers 11/30/10
ugh
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Where's my money, Frank?
You have enough money for a divorce, but you don’t have enough money to pay me for Theriot?
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, that was a bigger trade that included Lilly and prospects too.
n/m
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Given TINSTAAPP (and it doesn't look like these prospects are particularly well-regarded)
this trade looks awful. What am I missing?
Lilly, Theriot and $2.5 million went to he Dodgers for infielder Blake DeWitt, and minor league right-handed pitching prospects Kyle Smit and Brett Wallach.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Somebody wanted somebody out of town.....fast.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
So what?
he’s a professional baseball player. He should play where he’s damn well told.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That surprises me.
I thought when we got him he said he’d rather play 2nd but would be willing to play SS.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Advanced defensive stats paint Theriot as an above-average shortstop the past three seasons. Cardinals coach Jose Oquendo likened him over the Winter Warm-Up weekend to David Eckstein when he joined the Cardinals.
Theriot welcomes a familiar view of the field.
“It’s weird. Just being on that side of the infield makes you a little more comfortable,” Theriot said. “I guess that’s because I’ve played there since I was a little kid. When I was in Chicago and I was moved from short to second … I don’t think it really (was) justified. I didn’t think that I didn’t perform well enough at short anymore. I didn’t feel like that was the case at all. I can still play short.”
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
thanx
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
it makes me said to realize
that in this regard the cubs were more competent in this regard.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Both Torre and Pinella could see it. They're friends with Tony! You'd think they would have told him.
Friends like these, eh, Donny?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
sabotage!
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If Albert Fucking Pujols can play multiple positions
everyone should be willing to play multiple positions. EVERYONE!!!!!
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
by Hootie Who on Jun 15, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah this seems un-Cardslike
or at least un-TLRCardslike.
Kyle F’n Lohse, m’fers!! PAs for relievers!
the wheel must turn.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
basically theriot is the only person who hasn't played out of position this year...and colby
even yadi has played some first base!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
i must disagree
he has played ss all year
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
by sportsman on Jun 15, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
heh
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Yeah, I don't get why he gets his position carved in stone
while everyone else moves around as needed. Is there anyone else on the team that hasn’t played multiple positions this year? Maybe Holliday and Rasmus.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
damnit IHB, read below before you think you've spouted out some new idea
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
if so, he's, unwilling to be a cardinal
just an opinion
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I'd rather have Punto on the roster than Skip
Same offensive production, but at least Punto can field the ball.
What would it take?
probably an Act of Congress.
Theriot is the SS and that’s the way it’s going to stay.
Shingles is about the only way Tony will lose face.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
For the love of Christ....
Theriot does not magically become a better defender at 2B! He’s the same guy!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 15, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i seem to remember he had better numbers at 2nd
besides, he’ll have pujols to cover half his ground
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
That Theriot "has better numbers" at 2B under UZR
is merely a function of how that number is calculated. It does not show that Theriot is, in fact — objectively, and not in comparison to different populations of players – a “better” defender at 2B.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 15, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
But we're used to terrible defense there! In fact, I think some of us secretly like it...
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
kinky
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
must be really secret
but we’re desensitized for sure
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
If we want terrible defense
let’s put Craig there! He can actually hit!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 15, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
You got me - oh, how I relish each booted ball!
and when Theriot tried rolling that ball to 2nd after flopping around like a fish on what appeared to be a sure double play – pure delight!
by peppermartin on Jun 15, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
if you want to hear more exciting stories like this one
Dial 1-900-THERIBEAUX. Incompetent middle infielders are standing by!
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Albert wouldn't have to dig as many throws out of the dirt....maybe.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He'd be a better shortstop if he played second.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Theriot is obviously not going anywhere
and Id rather live with Theriot at SS for the possibility of playing Craig at 2b. He can hit LHP. And its pretty obvious we are going to need to mash like hell to win games.
Theriot
Rasmus
Pujols
Holliday
Puma
Freese
Craig
Yadi
Pitcher
seems like what we need to roll out the second half.
That's an incredibly effective-looking lineup.
If Yadi keeps hitting, there’s not a bum in the bunch.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
It's the pleats. it's an illusion.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Honestly his OBP keeps going slowly downhill
and at this point I’d rather have the defense. Don’t move him to 2nd. play Craig at 2nd. Play your best defender at short. Maybe have Freese lead off when he gets back.
His OBP has been between .340 and .355 for pretty much the whole season.
It’s at .347 right now.
So, not slowly going downhill.
Only 7 shortstops in MLB have a better OBP than Theriot & only 5 2b’s have a better OBP.
He’s a useful MIF with the bat.
As far as rather having the defense, I agree EXCEPT for the fact Skip is out there. Skip needs to be replaced first, and I’d like to put some defense there (though Craig is intriguing).
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
Well that's odd, it was below .340 when I checked yesterday
I have a completely arbitrary line in my mind that if he can’t do something above, say, I dunno, .340 to .355, let’s get some defense in there.
So was the Yunel Escobar
idea bad? It sort of went into will Theriot move to 2nd.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
in the post game, tony said that sanchez was unavailable
this was right after a day off. him being unavailable right after seeing his velocity down 5mph is a little worrying
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
That's very worrisome.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Miguel Batista's Stats:
28.1 IP
5.08 K/9
5.40 BB/9
5.4% HR/FB
.258 BABIP
3.81 ERA
4.97 FIP
5.54 xFIP
4.85 tERA
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
*5.64 tERA
I accidentally posted his career tERA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Shame on you
I mean, a 4.85 tERA is so good we’d HAVE to keep the guy!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
means nothing
Grit != flat out sucking.
plus, colby rasmus
surely he did something wrong
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
he sure did.
he couldn’t hit a five run homer. what a bum! trade him!!
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He actually did have an oppurtnity to tie it in the ninth with a dinger
Which obviously makes it his fault, right Al?
“that’s right, he has a chance to take this team to victory and he leaves veterans like Theriot standing on base waiting for clutch support and getting the Nationals closer on a roll. If Colby wants to be treated like a big RBI guy he needs to pick his teammates up”
Thanks Al
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 15, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
jesus wept.
Not religion, I mean jesus flores.“Hay-ZOOS”
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That made me think of
JOHN: Okay. Jesus, I’m sorry you got involved, all right?
ZEUS: Why you keep calling me ‘Jesus’? I look Puerto Rican to you?
JOHN: The guy back there called you ‘Jesus’.
ZEUS: He didn’t call me ‘Jesus’. He said, “Hey, Zeus.” My name is Zeus.
JOHN: Zeus?
ZEUS: Yeah, Zeus. As in father of Apollo, god of Mount Olympus, don’t fuck with me or I’ll shove a lightning bolt up your ass, Zeus!
another of my fav Samuel L. Jackson quotes
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That movie is really underrated.
I think it’s terrific.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I really like Miguel Batista.
Just not as a pitcher on a baseball team I care about.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
can we put a bow on him and send him to milwakee?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
by Fedex?
he absolutely, positively needs to be there overnight.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Think they'd give us Rickie Weeks for him?
hehe…
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
My Feelings for him are Black and White
Go away, Batista. Far, far away.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally get people ragging on Miguel Batista
He definitely sucks. But last night was all Ryan Theriot. His four misplays (two of which were called errors) caused Garcia to throw at least 25 more pitches and led to his early exit. If Garcia goes one more inning, we never see Batista at all.
www.stlcardinalbaseball.com
Theriot hasn't escaped criticism here for his awful play last night.
There’s plenty of blame to go around. TLR deserves a heaping share as well.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
"all Ryan Theriot?"
Nope. No it wasn’t. TLR managed poorly. Batista was awful. Miller was awful. Even Motte didn’t get his guy.
Oh, and Theriot got on base four times, scoring twice.
Plus, you have no idea what would have happened had Garcia gone another inning. It’s just guessing.
Was Theriot horrible in the field last night? YES! Was the loss “all” on him? Not even close.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
you know it won't
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
shine a light on Franklin next time?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have rather seen Franklin last night
Recently, at least in his first inning of work, he’s seemed to do OK.
In the P-D this morning, TLR was reported to have said one reason he brought in Batista was that the fans were more tolerant of him than Franklin. What a brilliant reason for an in-game decision!
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 15, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought there was no way that could be true.
But apparently it is.
Franklin and Batista need to go now.
Grit != flat out sucking.
Yep
I vote Batista first, but we really need to be shed of both of them.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 15, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
I still think Franklin can be that long reliever guy, but if you are afraid to use him for fear of backlash of the fans then he doesn’t need to be on the team.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I don't know if I'd go long reliever,
but you could, at least, get one inning out of him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
right now, I trust Franklin for one of the last four innings to hold on to a 6-2 lead much more than I would Batista. If he (Franklin) has to throw a second inning, I’m scared, but he’s done fairly good the first inning out his last few appearances.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the key to Franklin
is that TLR has to tell him, “I need a couple innings out of you” and then pull him after one.
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
Keep one for pure garbage time
I’d go with Franklin just because he actually still has an idea of where his pitches are going at times, even if they are woefully hittable at times.
I feel pretty safe in saying that Garcia going another inning would've been much better than what we saw
Theriot got on base four times. He also booted four plays. That is why Theriot’s WAR stands at ZERO after 68 games. Just for fun, you know what Brendan Ryan’s WAR is? It’s 1.1.
I’m not giving anyone else a pass. In fact, the second most-responsible person for this loss (in my mind) is Trever F. Miller, who has never retired any batter he has been asked to face this year. That first-pitch HBP to load the bases was typical Miller, and his subsequent wild pitch was the cherry on top. TLR should’ve pulled Miller right after the HBP, but he didn’t (of course), so that’s on him.
Then comes Batista. Look, some of his stats haven’t been bad, but, as many here have been predicting, his luck was going to run out. I can’t blame TLR for going to the guy, nor leaving him in after the walk and the hits. Based on his season-long string of luck, TLR believed that Batista would wriggle out of it. He didn’t.
Still, the main culprit here is Theriot. It is beyond bewildering that TLR runs Theriot out there every day with performances like that which tax the starters and cause the bullpen to shoulder too much burden.
www.stlcardinalbaseball.com
by Ray DeRousse on Jun 15, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
A few things:
-Brendan Ryan’s WAR is no more pertinent to our discussion than Curt Schilling’s.
-Theriot’s Fangraphs WAR, the one more commonly used here, stands at 0.7
-You don’t blame TLR for leaving in Batista that long? I sure as hell do. I like TLR, but this one was an obvious mistake in my eyes.
-That’s not how WAR works.
-What’s the other option right now? You know who really does have a 0 WAR? Tyler Greene.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
by a fink on Jun 15, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry.
I would take Jaime Garcia for the seventh inning (after having thrown 15 fewer pitches than his total through 6 IP last night) over Miguel Batista 100 times out of 100.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
oh yeah, me too.
But you don’t know what would have happened in the next inning, etc.
I definitely agree that Theriot’s errors likely cost Jaime an inning and that this hurt the team. That’s just not the whole of the loss.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
Agreed
it appears there is, after last night, only one man who can be convinced that Ryan Theriot is a major league shortstop. Unfortunately, he’s managing the Cardinals.
This situation is just about forgiveable at the moment, but once Punto is back, I really think we need to either move Theriot to 2B or leave him on the bench. You just can’t let a guy make errors on routine groundballs, as he seems to do, every couple of days. You just can’t.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
it would be one thing if he actually was playing as advertised
i think that i could stomach limited range but making the routine plays since he appears to be a better option leading off than skip (in tony’s worldview)… he’s not even making the routine plays at the moment which is just killing us
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 15, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Theriot OBP .347
Skip .276
(ain’t a question of worldview)
But I do think that if Theriot continues to struggle with routine plays, Punto should be at short and Craig at 2nd.
A place to discuss the future of the Roger Dean Project is here.
Go Cardinals!
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go back to soccer
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
No, wait. He might be on to something there.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Best soccer stadium in the US!
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Actually, a reasonable argument that it's the best stadium period in the US
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No, not your kickyfoot stuff
the whole “Go Cardinals” thing. Innovative, outside the box thinking. We need more of that.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, why do you think I got hired by the team with the best stadium in the US?
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can not be made.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 15, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fuck
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Could we get some gifs or videos of Theriot's ineptitude last night?
I have a masochistic desire to see that trainwreck, and it’s not the sort of thing that makes the MLB.com clip library.
i only make positive gifs of cool stuff
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
Think of it as diversifying your portfolio.
by Andyfantastic on Jun 15, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
that would imply any kind of profit
there’s no profit in that monstrosity
but i have other big plans for the video of those plays
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
video of every error and misplay by theriot
Sped up and compiled into a single video, with “yakety sax” playing?
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 15, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd prefer the Benny Hill theme
But to each his own
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heh
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 15, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
...Damnit I'm tired
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still drunk
only way to stave off a hangover…
by Oedipa Maas on Jun 15, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
take a hair of the dog that bit ya
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
of course, it's only obvious
coming at the end of the season
i wonder how long that video will get
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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Not even of the one where he's pushing the ball to second?
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Because that's comedy gold, right there.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
once is enough, don't you think?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably, but I didn't see last night.
by Andyfantastic on Jun 15, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
some people have all the luck.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 15, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
here
condensed game
8:18, 8:47, 10:22, and of course 10:42
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
Thanks, that's handy
I like to check defensive gems or gaffes like that out.
Whoah, I never knew about the condensed games
Thanks.
And good Christ, that was worse than I even imagined.
by Andyfantastic on Jun 15, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
please remember that cranial explosions from unimaginable plays require several towels
be prepared
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how they ran three different angles of the "roll the ball to second" play.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
cause that's just great tv
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
My personal favourite was the booting of that double play ball
when he forlornly tried to roll it along the ground to Skip and it looked like it was going to stop short of second base. That is pretty much the perfect image of Theriot’s defense this year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Random question about odd pinging noise in replays
Often when I watch a condensed game or a replay on the web, I hear a common noise that I don’t hear on TV broadcasts.
Right after the player smacks the ball and starts running, there’s kind of a pinging noise that sounds almost like an aluminum bat being tossed against a wall or some odd thing like that. Anyone know what I’m talking about? Any idea what that is? It’s VERY common on web replays.
I can’t think that the wooden bat hitting the ground makes much of a noise. I’ve never been able to figure out what it is.
For instance, look at the first Theriot screwup that D-dee posted . At 8:18 in the condensed game. The batter hits, starts to run, drops the bat, the camera changes, and there’s that odd noise.
Rally pig?
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f'n rally pig turned on us.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
rally pig memesplanation
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/4/26/1446185/colby-rasmus-is-awesome-overflow#36072672
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 15, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
hell I didn't even know it was a meme
You kids. I swear.
if the audio guys would stop fucking up, it wouldn't be.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So out fears due to this weekend's drop in velocity are confirmed.
This is bad news.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
ugh
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh dear.
Looks like we won’t be seeing you again until 2012 Eduardo. If at all. “Shoulder tightness” does not sound promising…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
didnt motte have shoulder tighteness last year?
he missed a few weeks and came back ok
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 15, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
fingers crossed!
the 5mph velocity loss is a big concern, though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of wonder why it isn't Hamilton, but OK.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
i guess
because carp is an actual prospect and wont be playing full time in St Louis right now
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 15, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Blech
Do not like the retention of Descalso over MCarp.
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
I thought it was mentioned in ST that if Mcarp came up it would only be if he was going to start everyday.
Oh well.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
What if it means more starts for Danny at 2nd?
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
How could it possibly mean that?
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
Not as causation,
Carpenter doesn’t play 2nd, so if they are keeping DD bc of diminishing confidence in Skip, then it seems like a slightly positive indicator. Also, Carp wasn’t exactly getting a ton of playing time.
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Descalso has more utility as a LHB
And Carpenter needs regular playing time. Freese will be coming back in the next 10 days or so, so the move makes sense right now.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
freese is really coming back in the next 10 days?
that is fantastic news. i thought he was out until july.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
he was on bernie's show recently saying that he was well ahead of schedule
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He's apparently going on rehab next week.
So, he could be back in 10 days, but more likely, we might see him the week before ASB.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 15, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Descalso is a LHB in name only since he doesn't, you know, hit.
He’s really quite terrible at the plate but has been an elite defender at third (thus far). His hitting is not a substantive reason to keep him on the team (see Schumaker, Skip).
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
Craig Calcaterra
gives this insightful summary of the Nats’ rally last night:
St. Louis had a 6-1 lead after five innings and blew it, primarily on the power of Miguel Bautista imploding for five runs in two-thirds of the six-run seventh inning. Only one of the Nats’ runs came on an extra base hit. The rest were singles, fielder’s choices, wild pitches, and other small stuff.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
That just makes me ill to read it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
His main problem was changing his name to that of the Greatest Hitter Of All Time.
Bad karma right there.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i've been home exactly one week and i haven't got my old dreamcast out
what the hell is wrong with me?
totes babes
At this point
why not just go with Lynn or Ottavino as the 5th starter and put McClellan in the pen.
by rlgosnell on Jun 15, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That kind of
out-of-the-box thinking is not permitted, especially with proven veterans such as Scott Kazmir potentially available.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 15, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
he's proven that his arm has basically fallen off
and he’s been around a surprisingly long time for a 27-year-old, pretty sure he’s got about 6 or 7 years of service time.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
his FB velocity is at 86.8 this year according to fangraphs
i think we’d be looking at mark mulder redux
the sins of Theriot, Miller, Batista, Tony have been well covered
but there were other little baubles and bangles last night:
Jay taking a called third strike (Pujols did too)
Yadi’s half-ass effort on Miller’s wild pitch. I’m getting the strong impression that Yadi does not like catching Batista or Miller, because their control is awful; and I can’t blame his feeling, but I CAN blame him for going into the swipe at it mode instead of a block the ball mode.
He seems fundamentally better when he catches Salas or Sanchez, for example, but seems to get petulant receiving B and M, and possibly Franklin too.
It was scored a wild pitch, correctly and all, and the Yadi not bailing Miller out is way down on the list of blame for last night, but when Miller looked really pissed finishing the intentional walk, with two 90 mph throwaways, I wondered if he was mad at himself, or? just sayin.
Last couple of weeks of September (while still making the playoffs)
would be interesting…
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and then after struggling in the NLDS and game 1 of the NLCS
Tony benches Rasmus in game 2 for….. Scott Spezio, oh wait, Jon Jay somehow grew a soul patch!?!
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And dyed it red.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
around decemember
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Jun 15, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
damn 36/108
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
we had a similar conversation about Auston Wilson this time last year
but seriously, who in their right mind would go to college rather than take a shit-ton of money to play sports?
Josh Bell apparently
ESPN’s Keith Law tweets that he’s told there is no dollar figure that would change Josh Bell’s mind about going to college. Bell, drafted 61st overall by the Pirates, was one of the top draft talents but has made it clear he will honor his commitment to the University of Texas. Of course, he also hired Scott Boras as his advisor, so clearly the Pirates think there’s a chance he can be signed.
totes babes
How can he hire a well known player agent as an "advisor"
and maintain his amateur status? These two things make no sense.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
As long as he's not rep'ing him?
I have no idea, but that has to be the loophole.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone seen Venters' ERA+
855… Unreal.
2011 WAR watch: Theriot = 0.5, Boog = 1.0 as of Jun 14
Bilingual Twitter
at a certain point does it become ok to just swing for the pitches
because it is unlikely your team will string together hits?
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I find his GB% more surprising than his ERA+
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And yet
Craig Kimbrel still gets all the save opportunities. #fuckingfantasybaseball
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
IIRC they're the top two relievers in baseball by WAR
impressive.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric O'Flaherty has been completely lost in the shuffle
But check out the year that guy is having, too. That bullpen is nassssty.
I call your bluff
that is a made up Irish name.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i swear dell support gets more and more wortless every time
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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if anyone's bored enough
here are pictures from the blown giants game where the beard made an appearance
very giants heavy set, i’m afraid and a bit grainy cause bad light, bad camera, bad person behind bad camera
followed by the quad cities game pics if anyone’s interested in those and there’s a phillies game set right after that that i don’t think i posted
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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Where's my Carlos Martinez
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set starts
here
made you a couple of videos too
you’re welcome
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 54
Thanks d-dee you're the best
<3 u
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His arm action is incredible
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This had to be discussed yesterday.
but Al had one of my favorite quotes of all time yesterday….
“Yeah, the ground rule double takes the RBI away from Colby, but he has to think of the team. This could lead to a bigger RBI day for Albert…”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
wat
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Yep... that happened.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
There's no I in RBI.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 15, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This might be my new favorite quote ever
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
(throws board game across the room)
I don’t wanna play anymore!!! But, seriously, that’s not cool
by RasmustheRipper on Jun 15, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That's one of the dumber statements I have heard of a broadcaster making.
How is it that they let him broadcast games?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Best part of that is Al is suggesting colby was upset about losing an RBI
later,
When siting Colby’s 2011 season, all will bring up lack of RBIs as an indication of lack of production on Colby’s part.
Grit != flat out sucking.
With the long and distinguished history of the Cardinals
it’s kind of shocking, and embarrassing that the best this franchise can do for announcers is Al and Mike Shannon. Dan McLaughlin is meh, and Rick Horton is stuck in 1987.
Penance for Jack Buck, perhaps.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Jun 15, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like Rooney and Dan
If I had to rank current Cardinal broadcasters:
1. Rooney
2. Dan
3. Rick (as analyst)
4. Al
5. Rick (play-by-play)
At this point, I am also extremely happy to wish Jay Randolph a long and pleasant retirement.
I put Shannon second, hope everything below dan goes away
Then agree with you
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 15, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The real problem is that there are very few good analysts out there
And by good, I mean tolerable. This goes for just about any sport.
as a houston resident
I must say that although the Astros suck, Jim Deshaies and Bill Brown are quite good.
And has anyone with mlb.tv heard a Padres broadcast? Is that Dick Enberg doing their PBP?
Yes, that is Enberg
The Padres big offseason acquisition
"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
by KlausChadman on Jun 15, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He is,yes.
One of the wonderful things about MLB.TV is listening to other announcers.
After hearing plenty of broadcasts from elsewhere, listening to the guys on fsn is especially painful.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 15, 2011 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 15, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
love the moonman
have no idea how anybody can have anything bad to say about him
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 15, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
ok i'll give you that
and i do wish that he would update the score at the beginning and end of every inning (for when you start listening in the middle of the game). but still… i grew up listening to Shannon and it wouldn’t be the same without him.
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 15, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him, but his play by play is not very good
I think he is a great color guy, but would prefer someone else do play by play.
if there was someway to have him do color commentary but still do homerun calls...
might be awkward… but i would take rooney doing PBP with shannon doing color commentary and replacing the terrible “it’s a goner!” with “get up baby…get up get up get up… oh yeah!”
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 15, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this completely
I like Shannon on home run calls and dislike Rooney’s seemingly frequent misfires.
He's a pretty awful announcer, but him being Mike F Shannon more than makes up for that.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
"Look at the cute couple down there.
He kisses her on the strikes and she kisses him on the balls……hehehe."
I enjoy listening to Shannon for stuff like this.
"Pain is only in the mind. For me. Others, no." - Pornstache
"I also remember he threw the ball back to me harder then I threw it to the plate, so that was a little bit worrisome to me." - Boggs on Motte
by GasHouseMang on Jun 15, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm probably the only one here... and some of you will think that im stupid
but i really like the differences in the league (AL=DH/NL=no DH) and wish that there was some other way to resolve the issue of leauge imbalance. Why not just get rid of the divisions and also inter-league play and let the top 4 teams in each league at the end of the year duke it out for the world series? Seed the playoff teams based on record and let home field advantage be based off of the final 2 teams regular season record?
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 15, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
from the national league?
or 2 from the american league and move 2 national league teams over?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Jun 15, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Shelby is pitching in Little Rock tonight.
I wish it had been tomorrow I would have went to Springdale.
dang it!
If I’d known sooner, I might have made it down to LR tonight. And the Fayetteville stations (that I get) usually don’t carry anything about the Travelers games unless they’re playing the Naturals.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 15, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Lineup -- All defense
1. Theriot, SS
2. Rasmus, CF
3. Pujols, 3B
4. Berkman, 1B
5. Brown, RF
6. Jay, LF
7. Molina, C
8. Schumaker, 2B
9. McClellan, P
Why Brown in RF, Jay in LF I wonder?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 15, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
berkman is at first. or are you asking why not jay rf, brown lf?
in that case, it’s because jay’s arm is suspect. i don’t know if brown’s is as well.
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