Déjà Vu All Over Again: Milwaukee Brewers Sweep St. Louis Cardinals Out of First Place
by bgh on Jun 12, 2011 6:36 PM EDT
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Fresh off a feast on the lowly Cubs and Astros, the first-place St. Louis Cardinals arrived in Milwaukee on Friday for a three-game series against the surging Brewers. It was a series that was an exercise in frustration for Cardinal Nation. For the second time this season, the Cardinals traveled to the home park of the division's second-place club and were swept out of first place.
The series got off to a brutal start with the Brewers trouncing the Cardinals 8-0 in a game started by former Cardinal farmhand Chris Narveson, who scattered six hits over eight shutout innings. Wearing uniforms that hark back to 1982, the year in which the Cardinals defeated them in the World Series, the Brewers chased Lohse after five innings by scoring four runs before lighting up Ryan Franklin and Brian Tallet for four more.
Saturday's contest featured an intriguing match-up of former Cy Young winners Chris Carpenter and Zack Greinke. Only one looked the part. A 1-1 pitchers duel entering the sixth, Milwaukee unloaded on Carpenter for four runs in the inning's bottom frame and then held on for a 5-3 victory on the strength of Greinke's seven innings and nine strikeouts.
Today, the Cardinals saw a 3-0 lead evaporate almost instantly in the sixth inning. The Brewers hit back-to-back doubles off of starter Jake Westbrook to cut the St. Louis lead to 3-1. Ryan Braun then received a fortuitous bounce as his groundball single cut the Redbird lead to one. The first pitch from Westbrook to Prince Fielder after a visit from pitching coach Dave Duncan was deposited over the wall for what would be the deciding plating of runs on the day.
The Brewers are an excellent team and especially so when playing at Miller Park, owning a 25-9 home record after the sweep. Their lineup, rounding into form, is a potent one, with Prince Fielder setting a torrid pace in this, his final year with the club. Fielder has an OPS over 1.000, a wOBA over .430, and an fWAR total already in excess of 3.0. Today's go-ahead and eventual game-winning homer was his nineteenth of the season.
Despite a first place vs. second place match-up, the result was not entirely unexpected. The St. Louis Cardinals limped into Milwaukee atop the National League Central standings, a status that came with heavy casualties. Lost in the first-place effort were All-Star slugger Matt Holliday, starting third baseman David Freese, second-baseman-of-the-future Allen Craig, back-up catcher Gerald Laird, utility infielder Nick Punto and fifth starter Kyle McClellan. For some perspective, the Cardinals have already used the disabled list 12 times in 2011, compared to 13 times in 2010.
To give you a rough estimate of the production the Cardinals have shelved on the disabled list for mending, here are the fWAR totals: Holliday, 2.4; Craig, 1.4; Freese, 1.2; Punto, 0.8; Laird, 0.2; and, McClellan, -0.2. (For those of you dead-set on recognizing McCellan's results over his process, his bWAR is 0.8.) The Cardinals have 6.0 fWAR worth of position players on the disabled list. That is not an insignificant number.
It was a frustrating result for the Cardinals, to be sure, but it is not the end of the world or even the season. Holliday is eyeing a Thursday return from the DL, which will be a nice shot in the arm to a lineup leaning heavily on the resurgent Albert Pujols and steady Lance Berkman. In a few weeks' time, Freese may also be activated. Craig's return ought to be not much later than early July, as well. Even if the Cardinals do not make a trade, when these two clubs next face one another--August 1-3 in Milwaukee--the Cardinals will have a much different and more potent look to their lineup.
The first-place Brewers head to Wrigley Field for a four-game set against the sinking Cubs before continuing their antique ballpark tour by jetting to Boston for a three-game weekend series against the Red Sox at Fenway. The Cardinals head to D.C. to face the Nationals before returning home to play host to the Royals this weekend.
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god we need holliday back.
but yeah, you hit the nail on the head for me. once freese and holliday are back, the offense should come back to life again (and it’s not like they’ve been overly terrible).
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 12, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions
You say these things… then don’t mention crossing your fingers for an Aaron Miles midseason run-in.
It just makes you disingenuous at best.
You need to respect the baby... 'cause life is precious... and God... and the Bible.
by timetraveltome on Jun 13, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
About the only solace you can find is that we are underperforming due to so many guys on the DL
Still, it’s not a good sign when you’re swept TWICE by the very team you’re competing for first. I just hope they have a better showing in DC than they did last year – looking forward to attending the game on Thursday night
Winning one of the three would have been nice.
Both Saturday and Sunday’s games could have been won, but they weren’t. It’s frustrating. But, the Nationals ought to give us a nice series in which to bounce back.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
nationals and then the royals.
sounds like a great week to go 4-2 or 5-1.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 12, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Injury updates
After a humorous response tweet to Joe Pos about the Athletics having the most talented DL, I discovered the injury updates page on the mothership: here
It seems Wainwright could begin throwing at the end of this month. Has it already been four months? Wow. Also, Freese began soft tossing Friday.
Still not a werewolf.
Bring back Willie Mcgee, A Cardinal that can actually beat the brewers
Hey Birdos readers, I’m a long time reader, first time commenter. I hope it’s OK if I post this link to my throwback Willie Mcgee art print on Etsy. http://www.etsy.com/listing/75822355/willie-et-mcgee-limited-edition-print. Hope it helps you remember the good old days of Whiteyball.
I’m a huge fan of the Cardinals AND this Blog, thanks for any feedback you might want to give.
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by jert on Jun 12, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Why would Eve have tan lines?
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha that's awesome
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Bienvenidos
I’d love to see a series of these on Ozzie, Jack Clark, John Tudor, etc
by peppermartin on Jun 12, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody else see Super 8?
I loved it. I thought it was a fantastic callback to ET and The Goonies
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Even though you know that I enjoyed it,
I’ll add my endorsement to the film. It was terrific.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I saw it last night
I thought the stuff with the kids was great – especially when they were making the movie – but the sci-fi plot was really stupid, and the last 20 minutes were painfully schmaltzy.
I enjoyed watching it, but I wouldn’t ever watch it again.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that was good but that Tree of Life was better
"seriously, why the fuck is Theriot still at short?" -VEP
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that was crap
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
An artsy movie with no dialogue
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you heard wrong bro
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
did you see it?
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
not yet but I've heard nothing but great things
probably going to be one of the best movies of the year, if not the best
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm nice cast
All my favorite critics like it. alright, I’ll bit.
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
now I just need someone to go with
or maybe I go on tuesday since I have the day off from work. yes!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
come to LA, we can go together
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
sure I'll fly right out
pick me up a good glove
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
finally some decent movies coming out
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
09/10 was pretty good
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
september 2010?
I don’t know what was out then
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant just the past two years in general
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
write up a film review
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
if you wanna be bored out of your school
yes, it’s a fine movie for that
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
ahem...skull that is.
s-k-u-l-l “skull”
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Jun 12, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no fair, you googled it.
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
school works too
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
if' it's school, bored is almost almost redundant though
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
no, a 'school' is many fish. that's an easy one.
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by threadkiller on Jun 13, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm looking forward to the Tree of Life
it just looks gorgeous.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah I can't wait to see it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 13, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I've received conflicting reports
some hated it, some loved it
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Well it's definitely not a monster movie
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I don't think that's why some people hated it
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 13, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It was marketed as a mysterious monster movie
It wasn’t
You don’t see why some people would hate that?
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No, what I said was that there might be other reasons why people didn't like it.
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 13, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
has spielberg been connected with any good movie
since, oh, saving private ryan maybe (and even that one was only good, not great or anything)
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Catch me if you can
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 13, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
actually haven't seen it
that was before the departed, when I still thought Dicaprio was still a little bitch. But I’ll put it in the queue. Random, uninteresting fact: my aunt actually dated the guy the movie is based on.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
True Grit
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huh, had no idea he produced that
although as exec producer I’m sure his role is less creative input and more along the lines of, “here’s a shit ton of money, give me a fuck ton in return please”
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
i havent even seen a prievew for super 8
true grit was nothing special imo
i looked up on imdb…spielberg produced the Band of Brothers series….and produced Letters of Iwo Jima
two movies I really liked that he made: Munich and Minority report
by guillermozeliak on Jun 13, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
okay, point conceded on BOB
since that might be my favorite, uh, thing of all time
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
never sawit
my brother has the set and loves it though
i guess i should check it out
by guillermozeliak on Jun 13, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
i consider you less of an american
until you do. So yes, you should.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
so you're saying sixth is serious
would've.
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that's precious
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm pretty sure they were calling you "purse," ryan.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 13, 2011 1:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to go throw the ball around
hopefully find a mitt that fits well
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
well
this is something I should not have quit doing. I do frisbee every once in a while but nothing like practicing catching fly balls with 2 hands, pretending I can do the catch snap thing like I’m getting someone out, and trying out different types of throws.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
dickhead Brandon Phillips
just grounded into a double play and did not run it out, even with Tejada on the throwing end
if the reds win tonight, they're going to be 3.5 back.
and we’re going to have to hear all about how they’re back in it. it’s going to be painful.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 12, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I really doubt
Craig is the 2B of the future. More likely, Berkman’s replacement (who won’t be signing at only 8 million next year…).
Once Skip came back, that pretty much ended the Craig at 2B experiment.
i disagree. craig made a few starts at second even after skip came back.
then he hurt himself. i honestly believe tony is doing everything he can to try and get craig on the field, in the outfield or otherwise. it’s just that (especially when holliday comes back) there’s not much playing time to be had out there, and craig can’t play center. i’m still okay with a craig/theriot middle infield, because getting craig’s bat in the lineup is worth the shitty defense.
whatever happened to the craig at third experiment anyway?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 12, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I wouldn't call the experiment ended just yet
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
they lied then
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah he'll be back after the off day tomorrow
don’t let that fool you
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
this nba final game is very close
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Hello
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I'm not!
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twitter is allll about the game.
it’s almost never like this with basketball.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 12, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I am
It seemed awfully quiet in the arena after the game ended. Is that normal? I can’t remember from last year
"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
by KlausChadman on Jun 12, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Santa
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by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
watched it
good game. Glad the not-Lebrons won. Jason Terry can ball.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Between Jason Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki
the Dallas Mavericks are not an attractive team.
Still not a werewolf.
ha!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 12, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Entertain me while I work, VEB
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did you know
that a baby kangaroo is called a ‘joey’?
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
and a bunch of crows is called
a ‘counting’.
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was a murder.
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
hoooo boy, rough crowd.
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
oookay. now i understand.
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
how about a dazzle of zebras?
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to change this one to "a barcode of zebras"
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice.
whaddya got for a ‘fall’ of woodcock?
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Before midnight this is a family blog.
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
a 'pitying' of turtledoves?
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
A wash 'n wax of turtledoves.
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
ok. a 'streak' of tigers? midnight again?
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
A streak? That's lousy.
How about “a rending of tigers”
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
"a maul of tigers"
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by The Continental on Jun 13, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Mindfuck
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Fritz:
king of being purposefully random.
Potential TV shows starring the Cardinals’ most recent draft picks:
You Have The Right To Remain… Dead: Ryan Sherriff and Danny Miranda star as “Ryan Sherriff” and “Danny Miranda,” the only two clean detectives left in the San Francisco police department, circa 1979. They mix it up with their boss, Sargent Corruption, as well as Steve Kingpin, a local drug lord. They may ruffle a few feathers, but they get results… Sexy results.
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the 'big/jason motte' one was lofl funny.
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the whole post was.
The power rankings? Golden.
One of my favorite Fritz pieces.
Still not a werewolf.
i agree it was all funny, it's just the jason motte thing got the biggest laugh from me. sorry.
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry is more a state of being for me than an apology.
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
at least i'm not a werewolf.
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And, as far as we know, Fritz still isn't a serial killer.
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
@boxcar_fritz
Eating a plum and drinking a diet squirt on my porch in the middle of the night. So this is what being a serial killer feels like.
18 hours ago
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
how often do we check?
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
what if it's really cloudy?
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by threadkiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Because you'd have to be a werewolf to answer that.
Good job not blowing your cover. I won’t tell anyone.
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by The Continental on Jun 12, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I've ever seen "lofl"
at first I interpreted it as lol-ing on the floor laughing
(I got it eventually)
Still not a werewolf.
can fritz please be promoted to a VEB writer?
I never check sbn STL (and probably never will) so I often miss his brilliance unless I catch a link here
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
You'd still miss stuff over there.
Like this bit where DanUp totally doesn’t talk at all about Albert breaking out of his slump.
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by The Continental on Jun 13, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
also, good call fritz on smashing pumpkins
when they were good, they were really fucking good
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
I’d only hope to think of something better than that choice.
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by timetraveltome on Jun 13, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I listened to Siamese Dream
For the first time in a while a few months ago. Didn’t feel the need to skip through any of it. Very strong album.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 13, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
did anyone see that wierd mets/pirates play on the sac fly
by jason bay?
So, the pirates only made 2 outs and the inning was over? wierd
Is that because the players already got off the field? I dont believe a pitch had been thrown yet.
by guillermozeliak on Jun 13, 2011 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
just got told
that the loss of posey is more significant than the losses of wainwright, holliday, freese and craig put together
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
This seems well-reasoned and not at all overstated.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 13, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, none of those Cardinals guys
can both catch and play first base.
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by The Continental on Jun 13, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
dunno, it’s hard to describe just what losing buster posey meant to this clubhouse though. he was our cleanup hitter, our catcher, and the leader of the team. his relationship with our ever-important pitching staff cannot be undervalued, both defensively and with game-calling ability. not only that but when he got called up last year we immediately started winning. it was like the simple move of displacing molina with posey was the catalyst for the entire championship. he’s not just a great player, he was a symbol of winning, of the end of ‘molina is our cleanup hitter, protecting ray durham’. the giants returned to competitive baseball and played like champions once we got posey up and running. literally, we called him up in june and went into milwaukee and swept four games. posey hit like two grand slams.
i know it’s the homer thing, but i dont think wainwright or greinke or any of those guys is the equal to losing posey. and i dont mean to keep bringing it up but man it pisses me off still when i think about it.
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
it just seems like when Posey got called up, we started winning and won the world
series. Well, gotta admit. That’s not comparable to Wainwright at all.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
i know
how many world series did that chump lead us to?
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
tthat Sabean sure says some crazy things
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
thats a stretch at first glance
but i guess that guy is sayin posey is an everyday player out for the entire season whereas adam only plays every 5 days
the others are temp. im sure others would agree that posey is a greater loss because we guys that can pick us up…the giants have a lineup full of johnny gomes’
by guillermozeliak on Jun 13, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
i conceded that losing posey was more significant in that in the context of the giants, he’s the only really decent hitter, but the cardinals have the core of a contending club on the DL right now. shit’s crazy
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
craig has
been one of my favorite highlights to this season…didnt know he would develop so well
by guillermozeliak on Jun 13, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
he's got some regression coming his way
but he could easily be a starting outfielder for a contending team
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
well it's obviously true.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
related
I just went and checked out the Giants’ injuries. Their DL rivals ours.
Okay, not the Barry Zito part.
Still not a werewolf.
in total numbers, maybe
posey and sandoval are the only significant injuries. the rest are somewhere between replacement and league average
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Belt is a significant loss for a team with the Giants' hitting capabilities
Still not a werewolf.
not thus far
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
eh, he's played in what, 15 games?
He’s got potential, unlike many of the other fading Giants’ hitters
Still not a werewolf.
true, true
i’d gladly have him over Aubrey Huff, that’s for damn sure. Everyone and their grandfather knew that Huff was gonna be a one-season wonder there.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Wainwrite and Holliday are our only significant injuries if you say it like that.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
err.. Wainwright
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
I'm sorry I was wong.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
not really
freese and craig look to be better than league average. especially freese.
kmac somehow still exactly replacement level according to fangraphs
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
FREESE HAS A .396 BABIP IN THE MAJORS AND ONLY A .115 .ISO
Craig is due to regress as well.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
and do I need to point out Freese's 7% BB rate?
he is league average/
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
sweet caps
i said craig is due to regess. and if freese is league average on offese, he’s a bove average overall. and adjusting to ball luck, craig .346 and freese .363 wOBA. so it’s realistic to think that they’re both above average
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
.363 wOBA seems unlikely for Freese with what he's done in the majors so far.
Craig I can get on the boat for, but what position will he be playing? second base sounds nice, but a .350 wOBA bat with a let’s say -10 UZR, that’s closer to average than it is above average.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
evan still
ZiPS projects him at .338 in a league where .316 is league average.
and if craig is a .350 bat, he’s replacing a .305 bat with similar defense
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
what would the league average wOBA for a 3B be then?
Even if he is a .338 wOBA which sounds closer to what I believe is his true talent, his defense is something I can’t exactly quantify with the limited sample size.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
dunno what league average is specifically for 3B
but that would put him just in the upper half of qualified 3B
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
so I guess we can use Polonco's performance to date if that's what Freese were to be
performing to his true talent.
I guess in the current run environment, Freese could pass as above average, but the lack of walks and his 25% K rate with barely any power should be more of a concern IMO.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
we'll see what he is when he comes back
he’s track record says that he has power. i think his ankles porbably weren’t completely healthy to start the season. remember he was initially projected to be back sometime mid-may and he was playing practically every day from the start.
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
The wait and see approach seems most fair when dealing with the limited SS.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Mark DeRosa=The always injured guy
Fontenot= The crappy second baseman, skip.
Zito= The fifth starter, kmac.
Posey=Waino?
Sandoval=Holliday
ok I can see it.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
But just Posey by himself?
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 13, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
n/m didn't notice who you were replying to
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 13, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think i agree that sadoval is holliday
he might have that potential, but ZiPs projects him at .825 the rest of the season. it’s hard because he was elite in ’09, but barely average last season
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
.825 OPS
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 13, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
and he's a fat fatty
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Not anymore, I heard.
Lost 40 pounds or so. That’s so much more boring than panda bears.
Still not a werewolf.
I think Padoval is pretty similar when you consider the drop off in talent is Tejada.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
i guess if right now we're calling jay holliday's replacement, that's true
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
Okay, so this trip to Milwaukee turned out to be an expensive disaster
Walked by the Cards’ hotel when they were getting into the bus. Theriot didn’t want to take the team bus or something and took a taxi instead. Tyler Greene was the last one out.
Brewers fans are MEAN. By the end, my only retort was “The Reds swept us too, look where they are”. Fuck Brewers fans, they were easily the least gracious fans of any ballpark I’ve ever visited. They booed EVERYTHING. They booed if Molina went up to talk to the pitcher. They booed any throw over to first. They booed Albert whenever he came up to bat, and after Berkman hit his home run, they booed him too. I enjoyed talking loudly about how they sold out their farm system for one season and they would be where the Astros are now in a few years.
Got myself a Greinke bobblehead with the sweet old Brewers logo on it. I picked the right Sunday because the other bobblehead Sundays are John Axford, Craig Counsell, Casey McGehee and a hot dog. Everyone was trying to buy my bobblehead but they can fuck themselves.
I’m growing more and more fond of Jason Motte.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
also, I'm used to having way too many promotions at a game
but the Brewers had WAY too many promotions at the game. There was one promotion that was like “Power Fan of the Game” or something. Basically, the jumbotron just showed a bunch of different people and then you were supposed to cheer if you liked them. It was weird.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
the retort will be the final standings, hopefully
it’s june, ad we’re injured. Congrats on the sweep, asshats.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
When're you coming to KC?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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June 27
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey that's the day I start learning how to brew beer
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Excellent
i turn 21 on July 15
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
so maybe you can have a batch done by then (i don't know how long it takes)
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
BECAUSE CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DRINK BEFORE THAT DATE
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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agreed
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
But seriously KC's a pretty awesome town to be 21 in
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yeah, but the friends i'm moving in with are a few months younger than me
so i’m gonna have to improvise how to celebrate
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be damned if anybody I know doesn't celebrate their 21st properly!
Also, you have a job/internship lined up?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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no because i've only got a couple months
i’m going because i’m determined not to spend the summer at home. and my friends are setting up a TV studio in the apartment and we’re gonna shoot stupid internet movies. i’ve got enough spare cash to last me. i’d take a job or internship if i could get one for that short span of time. i could scalp tickets to Royals games, maybe.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on Jun 13, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be damned if anybody I know doesn't celebrate their 21st properly!
Also, you have a job/internship lined up?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
expound on this point, please.
my buddy was in KC for a weekend in may and also enjoyed his time. i’m curious as to what the appeal is.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 13, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Power and light district if you want clubby, high-class stuff
Westport if you want divey, bar-y type stuff
Both are incredibly busy on weekends, lots of interesting people
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Are you sure
you weren’t hypersensitive to it after a rough series? I’m fairly confident in saying that I get to several more games in Milwaukee than you do every year, and typically, us Brewer fans will tell the assholes to sit down, shut up, and be good hosts. I certainly don’t see anything close to what goes on at Wrigley or U.S. Cellular (I live in Chicago, and get there regularly as well).
Sincerely, if they were assholes, I apologize on behalf of Brewer nation, but I also promise that those people are not the majority.
The Brewers at Miller Park: "ALL WE DO IS WIN, WIN, WIN NO MATTER WHAT"
The proper retort to Brewers fans is to simply repeat "1982" over and over.
Their franchise’s greatest season ended with a loss to the Cardinals in the World Series. Flags fly forever.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Zach Cox has gone ice cold since reaching AA
it seems like he might be the type who adjusts slowly to every level.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
he has a .344 wOBA in 67 PA's. that's not awful
Though it’s not what I’d like to see from our best hitting prospect, especially in springfield.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 13, 2011 2:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
one good thing about freese having a broken hand
is that we have plenty of time for his ankles to get healthy. seemed like he kind of rushed it and then played pretty much every day to start the season
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
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