Lance Lynn, Chris Narveson, and unexciting pitching prospects in general
by DanUpBaby on Jun 10, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintChris Narveson finally emerging as a Major League starter is one of those little tricks of baseball fate that makes me enjoy the season a little more than I would otherwise. It's not that I was ever a big Narveson fan; in the Blake Hawksworth and Jimmy Journell eras he was always The Other Guy, the second prospect to prove the Cardinals had two prospects, and by the time he was part of the Larry Walker deal he was just another name in a system that had no prospects at all.
But every time I see Narveson's name in the box score I think about Walker; about the way Ray Lankford was obscured down the stretch by Tony La Russa's fascination with Roger Cedeno, one of (no coincidence) my least favorite players in the history of baseball; about Luis Martinez, the other pitcher in the deal, who arrived (from the Brewers) on waivers thanks to a sketchy gunplay situation.
Chris Narveson gives me the feeling I get, as a terrible procrastinator, when a Wikipedia page is filled with links to other interesting Wikipedia pages. He's also turned into a pitcher with nice peripherals (if not results) for a guy who never looked very good in the minor leagues.
How do we know the Cardinals' minor league system isn't as terrible as it was in 2003? Lance Lynn doesn't have to play the Chris Narveson role.
Honestly, we should probably be a little more excited about Lynn than we are, given his skillset and his general competence, and I think we would be if he'd started off sitting at 92-93 instead of getting there by way of a sudden change in philosophy in the high minors. I don't resent the Kyle McClellan experiment at all given the success the Cardinals have seen with it so far, but if they lose one more pitcher to injury or ineffectiveness I don't think they'd be without a Major League-caliber fifth starter at this point, and not just because most fifth starters are so terrible.
That's a distinctly unattractive profile for a prospect—I think the position player equivalent is, say, Daniel Descalso, who had the benefit of not being a first round draft pick—but there's value to these unexciting pitching prospects. If the Brewers had stumbled upon Narveson's startling ability to strike out eight Major League batters per nine innings earlier they might not have paid Jeff Suppan $40 million; if they'd found just one more Narveson—I wonder what Luis Martinez is doing—they might not have paid Randy Wolf $30 million.
Unexciting pitching prospects, if nothing else, can obviate some truly awful decisions. I'm glad the Cardinals have developed Lynn better than they did Narveson, Martinez, Josh Pearce, or any other of the cast of thousands that filled out the back of those old prospect lists. If Jake Westbrook continues to struggle with his control I'll wish they'd developed him just a little faster, too.
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Ryan Theriot's home run reminded me of nothing more than late-period Craig Biggio, who should by all accounts have been used, at the end of his career, exclusively as part of a home-away platoon. Biggio's last two tools were his ability to take a pitch in the ribs and his ability to flip a ball into the Crawford Boxes, as Theriot did, that looks like nothing so much as a fly ball in front of any other warning track on earth. In his last two years he hit 22 home runs at home and nine on the road; I've always wondered why some other AAAA Astros infielder willing to play baseball The Wrong Way hasn't started swinging for that fence just as effectively. Theriot definitely looked like he was trying.
Minute Maid Field is impossibly ridiculous as a place to watch baseball being played; the train is tied for the pool in Arizona for the ballpark signature most likely to have originated in an Onion article. But if the organization was determined to build a ridiculous ballpark, I'm glad it's functionally ridiculous.
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Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
always.....
i mean never…..no, always keep a litter bag in your car. Because if it gets full, you can always just throw it out the window.
by PhillyRedbird on Jun 10, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I get it...
no… wait… I do…
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PURPLE MONKEY DISHWASHER!?!?!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man
This is for spants
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by jd is legend on Jun 10, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pertama = première in indonesian
malay = malaysia, if you’re not into that whole brevity thing
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So they're a malaysian Cub's fan?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
amateur.
Start a fire for a man, keep him warm for a night. Light a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life.
by threadkiller on Jun 10, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to recant my statement from last nite
saying that Lynn didn’t look very good. It’s not that he didn’t look good, he was just seriously Theriot’d in that one inning. Three grounders hit to almost the exact same place and Theriot wasn’t even close to them.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions
To be fair he was Theriot'd and Pujols'd
His only problem last night was walks. Lynn didn’t give up a hard hit ball the entire time he was pitching. At the same time the Astros aren’t awfully capable of hitting the ball hard. He reminds me of McClellan. His stuff is really good, but his control is inconsistent and he hangs too many breaking pitches – leading to walks and homers.
He reminds me of McClellan. His stuff is really good
Does not compute.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
KMac does have good stuff
Fastball sucks, but the rest are above average.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
As a starter?
I’d have said he’s verging on junkballer territory, curve aside (which is better when he throws it slower IMO)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why we have FIP
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Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Waiting for HitTracker to update with Lance's home-run from last night.
Was there a distance mentioned anywhere? I was thinking 450 at least.
He destroyed it
My jaw dropped just from the way it came off of the bat.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Jun 10, 2011 9:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it wasn't in the top 3 longest HR
on baseball tonight last night. The shortest of the three was 420+ IIRC
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
since it was a fly and not a liner
the distance may not be that great.
But he sure did kill the everlasting shit out of that pitch….
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
416 is the verdict.
He’s had 4 this year that have been longer.
6/7 426 off of Brett Myers.
6/3 429 off of Dumpster.
4/15 430 off of Garland.
4/28 454 off of Aneury Rodriguez.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 10, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If you liked that
Watch Josh Hamilton’s and Nelson Cruz’s last night against the Twins. They were both total moonshots.
at the park last night
they posted it as being 394 feet. Which is just silly. It was by far the longest ball i’ve ever seen hit to right field at Minute Maid (other than fielders in the home run derby). It was insanely long.
btw….lynn looked good to me in person.
Milt Thompson FTW!
So is our bullpen gonna be dead by the end of the year?
I’m starting to get worried.
Especially
Since we didn’t get a single deep outing against that Astros lineup. Would’ve thought someone could have gotten through 8 innings without pitching. However, Batista has been eating up a ton of innings and still using magic to get line drives to hit fielders gloves. I presume Batista will not have a high leverage spot by the end of the season, so there should be some fresh arm out there. Certainly the bullpen isn’t as beat up as say Cincinnati’s.
The answer is no.
Our pen has thrown 182 innings, 12th most in baseball and less than the Brewers and more than 30 innings less than the Reds. We also have Boggs, Todd, and Ottavino in Memphis if we need them, and Augenstein is somewhere.
http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz
They really need to bring back Boggs and put him in a role where he he can pitch multiple innings
When needed
Keeping him in AAA is even more of a waste
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 11:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well, we need to make some move
No reason to keep Lynn around since Mac will be starting next week. It makes sense to send Lynn down and bring someone up. Difficult choice – do we most need another reliever or a hitter (if Craig is still hobbled) until K-Mac is put back on the roster?
Augenstein's on extended ST
should be ready next week, or maybe this weekend
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Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: The Riot 6, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, Berkman 9, Craig/Punto 4, Molina 2, DD/Lil Carp 5, pitcher (Get well soon, Mr. Freese)
Between Motte/Salas/Sanchez
the high-leverage 7-8-9 innings of a given night are taken care of. Boggs is not likely to be better than any of those three, and while Boggs replacing Batista would absolutely be a considerable net positive, it simply isn’t a very pressing concern. TLR’s use pattern will continue to prioritize Batista with the actual good pitchers, so there simply isn’t much to be gained in real terms.
If Boggs is seriously being considered as a starter, this is the only way that it is possible.
http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz
This
I suspect that part of TLR/Dunc’s thought process is that Boggs’ well-known problems with repeating his mechanics are better served by throwing several pitches every fifth day as a starter, and therefore, if he is ever going to have more value than a relatively inconsistent, relatively fungible reliever, it will be as a starter.
I don’t know that I agree with that as being more important than the value that he provides as a reliever, but I think that it is a reasonable thought process.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Motte
anyone else really impressed with Sauce this year? He seems to be getting hitters to swing at stuff outside the zone, which he previously struggled with (mainly due to just pumping 98mph four-seamers down the pipe). I wonder if that 90mph-odd sinky/cuttery thing he’s throwing is helping him somewhat – looks pretty much like a 2-seamer with good movement or a cutter of some sort, but it seems to be vaguely controllable and I’ve certainly noticed him blowing more high FB past people that previously it seemed they’d leave alone. Seems to be getting more GB too.
Perhaps he’s just faced weaker hitters – overall his peripherals don’t look much different from last year and his swinging strike and Outside Zone Swing % haven’t really changed at all, but somehow to me he’s looked “better”. I guess the GB is the only obvious thing you can point to, and maybe that “second pitch” is helping him with that.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
He’s finally figured out whatever the second pitch is. It’s got enough movement on it, and he can spot it. And then he’s still pouring the 4-seamer up there @ 96-98. Doesn’t sound like much fun if you’re a hitter.
Best of all, you can tell Tony loves him cause he’s not afraid to bring Motte in with runners on base. Also, Tony’s not afraid of extending Motte for a few more outs when he needs to, it’s not like Motte’s arm falls off after 15-20 pitches.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
I've noticed that
Motte has been brought in for appearances that span a couple of different innings, and he’s been brought into situations where he’s specifically putting out a fire.
I haven’t seen him often enough to watch the pitch speeds, though, that’s interesting.
He's throwing the "cuttery thing" 20-odd% of the time this year
as opposed to about 12% last year (he also mixed in something around 80mph last year – various abortive slider/curves I think, which haven’t really featured at all this year) which is a step in the right direction in terms of off-setting his fastball.
Whilst I should start with the proviso that pitch-type linear values probably don’t tell you a great deal, I also think it’s interesting that his FB and his 90mph pitch (let’s call it a cutter) are both solid + pitches every year of his career, yet his more pronounced attempts at breaking pitches (Gameday seems to class as a curveball) have been pretty huge -ve values every year.
I was under the impression his FB had been more consistently fast this year as well – seemed like a few starts last year it’d begin at 93 or so before he eventually ramped it up to the high 90s after throwing maybe 10 pitches. However, his velocity this year is about the same as last.
I’m not saying he’s learnt an obvious secondary pitch, but at the very least he has a couple of different, distinct pitches built around the fastball which gives him a slightly different look in 2011.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Career 3.12 ERA, 3.69 xFIP
I mean, frankly, he’s an excellent pitcher. I have no idea why he gets so much flack.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the only real hazard is that the club will insist on
Calling up an eighth reliever. As long as that reliever replaces hamilton, I guess it’s okay, but really, that’s what we’re looking at. They won’t demote salas or sanchez or motte.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no, tom, you misunderstand
(or I didn’t explain well). Lynn can be sent down today and someone else called up until K-Mac is reinstated next Weds. I’m not talking about a permanent move, just one for the next four games.
I was replying to hazel, but,yes, they could do that.
The only problem with that option is that they have to be 100 percent sure k-mac makes his start. That leaves them in a bad spot if kyle starts feeling twinges or doesn’t look good in his next bullpen.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
nope
unless they have someone else to put on the DL.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe hazel is asking if we could put k-mac on the roster
Then re-DL him without putting him on the field? I don’t know. Seems like gamesmanship and might be frowned on.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But if Kyle is actually feeling twinges,
it’s not gamesmanship, right?
http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz
if they do that it won't be a hitter
anyone who, by any stretch of the imagination, deserves to be on the 25-man already is. i guess you could consider chambers. he kind of fills a need with holliday DL’d and craig out until the end of obama’s second term (get it, because he’s day-to-day), but he’s not exactly been lighting up memphis
is it a certainty that kmac is ready to come off the DL, though?
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
some of the problem is that our starter's durability
Has been episodic. We had a week or so where jaime threw a CG, lohse went 8 innings, and our relievers were throwing just to get work in. I think boggs and franklin pitched 5 innings between them in may. For reasons somewhat heat-related and somewhat luck related, we’re on a streak of a lot of 5 inning starts.
Get some cooler weather, some dome games, and some good luck, we’ll be fine.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wait, are you saying that meteorological phenomena
Which benefit pitchers might harm batters and vice versa? Tell me more . . . .
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I liked what I saw from Lance last night
especially on the Wallace strikeout. Got two strikes with curves down in the zone then punched him out with a four seam fastball at the top of the zone. After three 75 mph curves, the 92 mph fastball blew Wallace away. Loved that sequence.
I think Lynn
has been respectable so far. No way to know what happens next, but so far it looks like he could be useful.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 10, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
As a fifth starter, I guess you don't have to do a great deal to be adequate
and he looks perfectly good in that role so far.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Did said curves have any bite at all? In his first start they were decidedly slurvy, and with a long looping break that a good high school hitter could have anticipated and tracked.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
A slurvy curve is one that has a break that is more horizontal than a 12-6 curve.
Lynn’s curve was 12-6 but not very pronounced. It was better than, say, Blake Hawksworth’s shitty curve, but it didn’t have near as much break as McClellan’s. His control with it was much better than McClellan’s usually is, however.
http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz
Yes, that's why I said slurvy
in his first start, a few curves were more 10-4 than 12-6. And they were relatively big breaks, but ones you could see coming from a mile away. Good to know that he was throwing a better one in start #2 (I didn’t get to watch last night’s game, hence the question).
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Last night Lynn
displayed the best curve I have seen him throw (granted, limited times seeing Lynn throw). It was sharper and less loopy. He hung a curve up in the zone to Lee who amazingly took it for a strike. If Lynn is able to throw his curve for strikes rather than just as a show pitch, then he doesn’t have to rely on the 2 seam fastball as much. I think Lynn has the makings of a cost controlled 4/5 starter … which brings value the team. We need to pay Pujols and Adam Wainwright has an option year facing us for huge $$$s. The team has to be able to plug in cost controlled players from the system to make it all work.
This.
Replacing Lohse in the rotation with Lynn frees up a LOT of money and makes the team no worse for it.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
wait...
you think Lynn is just as good as Lohse?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
no not really.
I would say his peak is Kyle Lohse. And not this year’s Cy Young Kyle Lohse.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
my thoughts exactly
plus, Lohse’s contract runs one more year, correct? The decision would be for 2013, which two of Lohse, Lynn, and Westbrook do we want to bring back? Of course, we all expect Miller to be in the 2013 rotation so it might be more (or less) complicated than this.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 10, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's see him face someone other than. . .
the Giants and the Astros before we have sherseys designed. I watched all of the Giants game and saw a lot of meatballs taken for strikes or swung through, and that team had the desiccated remains of Miguel Tejada batting second. And the Astros aren’t much better. By runs, they are a slightly-below average offense, but that appears to be built on a pretty healthy BABIP. The are one of the three worst teams in hitting HRs (despite playing where they play), K’ing, and bottom 5 in drawing walks.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think the difference is in our expectations. From Lynn, all I want is 200 innings of 4.3ish FIP. A good, durable, unexciting CHEAP innings eater. Those are harder to find than you think. We are currently paying between 8 and 11 million dollars to a couple of guys that we HOPE to get that exact kind of production from.
I just think Lynn is a perfect fit for a rotation that can feature Miller and Wainwright at the top.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Right,
for the fifth starter, Lynn certainly shows promise. So far this year, at least, Lohse is pitching much better than you’d expect a fifth starter to do. Now, should he be extended past next year? It’s way too early to talk about that. He would need to keep strong and repeat next year before I’d want to extend him.
IF we have a healthy Waino, healthy Jaime, and Miller in the 2013 rotation, we’ll have to have a Lynn (or somesuch) in there. The question then becomes can we afford a Lohse or Westbrook to fill out the rotation. I certainly don’t think we’ll have money for both of them (or even room).
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 10, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want to get bitten again by Lohse
also, if he’s good enough for us to want to extend, he likely won’t be a bargain. I can’t really see a scenario when we’d want to extend him, as he’s only just about above-average now and he’ll be well into his decline years, you’d have thought, when this contract runs out.
In 2013 we have Wainwright (probably), Shelby, Garcia, Lynn as likely rotation members, with KMac possibly still around and the possibility that Cleto is up, plus Swagerty, Kelly etc. not too far behind. Whilst I imagine there’ll be another free agent signing somewhere in the next two years, it’s not completely impossible we actually won’t have to sign ANYONE for the rotation in 2013….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Minute Maid Park is closer to a putt putt golf course than a Major League ballpark...
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Yeah, I'm happy we don't have to go back there until the last series of the year
And I hope we’ve got the division all locked up by then.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
The flag pole actually sits in a hole about three times as wide as a baseball
If a player hits a ball that lands in that hole, it not only is counted as a homer, but he gets to bat a second time.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
and the ball goes through a series of tunnels and falls out of the ceiling onto home plate as the runner crosses home.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I hate when our hitters scorch the ball
but it goes right at the windmill fans, or Abraham Lincoln’s legs close at just the right time.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I thought it was partially carried by the train?
it then descends through a series of watermills, before being projected out of a 3x lifesize fibreglass replica of Brandon Backe’s butt.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The fiberglass butt just hasn't caught on like the big apple from Shea Stadium
Not sure why.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Wow, do the sirens go off an everything?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Well, it's never actually been done yet
The one time I saw someone come close, Jim Edmonds robbed him by making that great catch up the hill.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I was thinking of a Cards Astros playoff game
when JRod got robbed by the Astros CF’er on a catch up the hill. Would have been out @ Busch III.
This is just my own thought
I haven’t heard it anywhere. So I’m not trying to spread a rumor that this is what is happening. But it came to me in yesterdays thread after talking about Carpenter’s contract and Franklin and Batista being in the pen.
Anyway, Would it make sense if the club plans on moving on from Carpenter and not picking his contract, to take a guy out of the pen who you believe could be your future closer, and send him to triple for the year to convert him into a Starter?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Lynn was the 6th starter
It doesn’t really make sense to me to send a guy who is one of your best bullpen arms to AAA in order to convert him into your 7th starter.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
I agree with the general sentiments here, that the team is mishandling Boggs,
But, I think that this is McLellan’s first year throwing this many innings, Lohse has been injured off and on, and Carpenter hasn’t been healthy for 3 straight seasons in his career. For this year, it might make sense to have a starter ready to go in case of a few injuries. Boggs was the only viable one, and he wasn’t dominant in his short time this year (sample size/peripherals were very good, I know.) This move might be motivated by too much fear of the Walters/Ottavino disaster again; but I don’t think it is totally meritless.
by EddieHarsch on Jun 10, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you mean
the Walters/Ottavino/Suppan disaster.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Boggs to the rotation, McClellan back to the pen?
The only way I’ve been able to puzzle this out is to consider that maybe Duncan doesn’t believe McClellan has 160 innings in his arm (a reasonable conclusion given his last couple of years). Say Kyle comes back and gives us a few starts and starts to tire/is injured again.
Maybe the thought is they could then put Boggs in the rotation for a couple of months and move Kyle to the 8th inning (if the switch can be made pre-injury). I personally would have no problem with this. It buys Lynn another month or two to develop, arguably strengthens the bullpen (at least in TLR’s mind), showcases Boggs without any long-term harm, and again, allows Lynn to acquire more seasoning. There are drawback to this if it is indeed the ‘plan’ (temporarily weakens the pen, screws with not one, but two pitchers’ routine, and Lynn may not need alot more seasoning).
There isn’t a legitimate need to keep such a ‘plan’ a secret, but maybe they justifiy doing so by not wanting to publicly show diminished faith in Kyle, indicate desperation in case they turn to trade or have some other paranoid/crazy reason for keeping it quiet. Just a thought. Nothing else makes sense to me.
I doubt they return kyle to the bullpen, unless he gets
To be ineffective or we trade for somebody better.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eh, I don't know.
If they don’t bring Carpenter back, the Cardinals still have Garcia, Lohse, Westbrook, and K-Mac in the rotation. Either Lynn or Dickson could fill the 5th starter role until the All-Star Break, when we should get Wainwright back. Mo could always sign a cheap free agent just for the sake of competition or bring a couple journeymen in on minor-league deals like they tried to do with Snell this year.
Assuming health and success, one of the starters is going to get bumped after the first few months of the season.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 10, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
This also assumes that the Cardinals exercise their option on Wainwright
or work out a new contract.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 10, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
those options are really cheap
I’m betting they just exercise them for 2012 and 2013 and take it from there. Even a semi-effective Adam is worth that sort of money.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Boggs is an option too if they stick with stretching him out.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 10, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
But I don't think the move has anything to do with who may or may not return next year
and is more about addressing vulnerability if one or more starters is injured or arm fatigue starts to get to Jaime or McClellan.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 10, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
It is doing that
but it’s taking from a weakness to enforce a strength. Which is why I think so many people have a hard time agreeing with the decision.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
the all-star break next year?
you think his rehab will go long?
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
I'm being conservative.
12-18 months recovery time would put him back between March 1 – August 1.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 10, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm listening to Adam Wainwright
he’s saying he’s on track to not miss any of next season. set to start pitching in January.
has heard that unless something terrible happens, the Cards intend to bring him back next season (obviously).
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
says he spent a lot of time in the offseason trying to get Mo to sign Lance Berkman
says he was joking that he did more than Lance’s agent and that he deserves a cut. But now that he sees how Lance has been doing, he says he’s not joking anymore.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
at this point, he deserves a finder's fee from the club
Not a cut from lance. Lance has earned his $8m and then some.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Waino 2011
pitching WAR 0.0
batting WAR 0.0
scouting WAR 2.5!!
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
SCAR
Scouting Above Replacement.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
is there a TATS over SCAR?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tattoos Above Tissue Slicing
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
January?
At +10 months? That seems way optimistic.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
they always are
then they start throwing and have a “setback” and go back on the normal schedule. I wouldn’t count on him remaining ahead of schedule.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that's heartening
we should keep in mind, though, that it’s unlikely that adam wainwright as we know him will be back before opening day 2013
we may get something like the ’07 version for most of next season
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
With Garcia pitching as he has done, a 3-WAR Waino would be fine by me
pretty much replaces Carp’s production this year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah a 3.0 bWAR pitcher for 9mil? I'll take it
holy crap! he hit .290 that season
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
'course he did
he’s A.D.A.M.
he just became self aware. he thinks he was sent to destroy all in his pathq
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
Wainwright ideally should be ready to go at the start of the year
They say 12 months for pitchers is typical TJ recovery time, with another 4-6 months to reach full strength. As he had his surgery in early Feb, seems likely he’ll be throwing by ST next year and probably ready to go in April (or perhaps May), if there are no setbacks.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I really feel like Dave and Tony think they have to always be
Dicking one “young pitcher” around. This year, it is Boggs
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
convert sanchez to a starter?
no thanks
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 10, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Boggs is eventually back in a bullpen role
I don’t know if the demotion has any relevance to next year. Even if Carp isn’t picked up we have Adam, Garcia, Westy, Lohse, KMac & Lynn fighting it out for 5 spots, and it wouldn’t surprise me if any of those guys are injured (or if Adam has a set-back) that we go out and get a Mark Buehrle or something. Also, as the season wears on, it’s likely that one of Cleto or Miller will be ready for a reasonably extended cup of coffee (Swagerty too, the way he’s been going). I really don’t see Boggs in the rotation next year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I don't think Boggs will ever work out as a starter.
I’d rather move KMac back to the bullpen as well next year. Put Lynn in the 5th starter roll or find a cheapie on the FA market.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 10, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
I’m not a big believer in Boggs either way. I suspect that in a bullpen role, his mechanics will be too inconsistent to be anything other than a 3.5ish FIP reliever, which is nothing to write home about. He has never shown the velocity as a starter that he did as a reliever, so I am skeptical of that as well. I hope that I am wrong.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He was hitting 97 as a starter, he was just sitting 93-95 which is awesome for a starter.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Not consistently. . .
I sampled 4 of his ’09 starts on Brooks Baseball.net, and of the 4, there were two (July 31 vs the Astros and August 11 vs the Reds) where what you say is backed up by the data. Those nights, his 4-seamer averaged 93/94 and topped out at 96/97 and his 2-seamer averaged high 92/93 and topped out at 93/94.
He had starts that bookended those, however, where he was topping out at 92/93 and sitting at 91 with bost FBs. Those were April 30 vs. the Nats and Sept 5 vs the Pirates.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes sense regardless of the Carpenter situation
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
F!ESPN
does not see fit to show Berkman’s bomb in their SC highlight.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
two words
I’ll let you guess which.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Banana hammock?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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close
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
let's not talk about Holliday like that
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 10, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
somewhat on topic
my american flag mid-cut speedo arrived in the mail. 18 more days until I can model it in Jamaica
I'll be touching down in Cancun three weeks from right now.
and now realize I need that.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Too many of the black community there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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oh, trip adviser, how I love your casual racism.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
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"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
ooh, ooh, my turn!
(Your request was denied because of its content categorization: Online Shopping, Provocative Attire.)
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
now this is getting ridiculous
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"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
sheesh...
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"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
So do you get the muscle suit that goes with it?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
This is why people hate America
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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Yup, mysterui's right. They definitely hate us because they're totally jealous.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
the union jack is a strong speedo, though. Draws all the attention right to your bulge.
Ditto for the old Japanese flag speedo.
The Canadian speedo is a hot mess, though. So conflicting.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Jun 10, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to rec this not just because it's funny
But, because “hot mess” is one of my favorite phrases. Boy, you a hot mess!
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Stupid sexy Flanders
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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So Joe Strauss was at it again late last night
“hearing” that Holliday’s strain is more a (gasp) grade II strain than a grade I. Rehab time is still going to be about the same, 2-4 weeks.
FWIW, it probably was a grade I strain originally and trying to play through it he tore more fibers. I’m not saying that is the wrong decision. You have to judge return to sport based on pain and function. I’m sure they had put him through some tests and not just run him out there blindly. It’s unfortunate that he re-injured it, but I wouldn’t say that the situation was mishandled.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Jun 10, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
to take it one step further
it was a grade I strain originally and was treated as such. He was believed to be recovered and did more damage. If it was still a grade I strain, he probably wouldn’t have went on the DL. It would have just been a couple days off again and then back at it. Straussie’s tweet is non-news meant to stir up the masses.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Jun 10, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love when news typed completely take injury news out of context
They should really hire me so I can keep them
From putting their feet in their collective mouths. $100,000/year ought to do it.
By the way, I’m at the APTA Annual conference in DC. it’s pretty sweet
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anything interesting at the conference?
I haven’t been to any of the big ones. Any of the seminars worth your time?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
So far, not really
I mean I guess they are good refreshers, the best part has been the poster presentations and the vendor booths
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
everybody loves free stuff
see if you can find a job working for a professional sports organization. Preferably one that pays you.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
this would be a helpful piece of news from strauss
If more than a handful of his readers knew the difference between a grade I and a grade II strain.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure he'll have an article up about it
essentially a grade I strain is what happens 99% of the time whenever you think you pulled a muscle. Give it a couple of days of the old RICE treatment and you’re good to go
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'd actually say, as much as you can lose a 6-WAR player and not suffer too much from it
I think we can just about bear a Holliday injury for a few weeks. Jay + Berk + Craig (when healthy) cover most of the matchups competently.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
in case someone hasn't seen the video
about the race between The Cat and K-Lo
here’s the link to it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
Kyle Lohse hardly gets any fanshots
that are tagged, anyway
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 10, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, The Cat looks like he stepped off a prep school bus into a gang sponsored street race
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jun 10, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
"Craig Biggio Blames Media Pressure For Stalling At 285 Hit-By-Pitches"
Since DanUp mentioned the Onion and Biggio’s proclivity for an HBP, I thought I should post this Onion article. Craig Biggio Blames Media Pressure… I laughed pretty hard reading it.
Hey Craig Bitch
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't get why anyone is doubting that...
the Cards will pick up or extend Carp’s contract. 1/15 is below market for a 3-4 win pitcher. He would probably get a two year deal on the open market, probably for close to $15 million AAV.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
if they pick it up, he better be a starter.
what a waste of 15M
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
I'm afraid they won't have the money when they sign Pujols
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
chris is old. I am not sure that he will necessarily
Deserve the “4” part of “3-4” wins. If he’s a 3 win pitcher, $15m hits his value on the nose, without any injury discount. Doesn’t seem like a good deal to me, for someone with more surgery history on him than cher.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that would be my guess - 2y/$18, 2y/$20.
Anybody who gives him more is asking for trouble.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on Jun 10, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If he finishes the year healthy...
he’s a good bet to live up to a one year contract for 2012.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Not sure what you mean by "good bet"
because at $15M he is probably only a 50-50 shot to be worth it.
http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz
He's been healthy for three years in a row now...
with no observable decline. He’s been worth over 3.5 wins the past two years and is headed toward that mark again this year. Where would you put the over/under for his 2012 war if he continues his current level of performance and finishes the season healthy? I’d say 2.5 wins, factoring in injury risk. Even if he just hits that he’d arguably be worth it considering he’d boot Kmac or Boggs out of the 2012 rotation.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
well
He only has 1 win this year. he is a terrible pitcher.
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
I think you're right on
provided he finishes the year healthy, I think odds of him coming back are very good. I imagine the FO will try to renegotiate; tom’s 2/20-ish idea sounds terrific for both the team and for Carp.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
ahem
2 yr $20M contract instead?
by STLRegalia on Jun 10, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
not responsible if it was said previously somewhere else
sorry about that, I didn't scroll up far enough
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
no harm no foul
I just crave attention
by STLRegalia on Jun 10, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't see them picking up the option
I do think there’s a very good chance of a re-negotiation. The 2/$18-20 contract that’s been mentioned several times (both today and previously) sounds reasonable. Unless Adam has a setback, I don’t see the Cards paying Carp $15M next year.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 10, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not even sure they'll pick it up if waino has a setback (even then, they have to make the decision in November for both IIRC, too early to tell.)
there’s plenty of options without Carpenter including
boggs
kmac
lynn
lohse
westy
jaime
shelby in the rear with waino possible at some point.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
there is a lot of good, cheap free agent #3/4-type starters as well
guys like Aaron Cook, Paul Maholm, Edwin Jackson, Mark Buehrle, and three or four others. Gotta believe one of those sort of guys will sign for <$8m, as with Lohse a few years ago.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the 15M would be better spent on a SS or on albert/replacement 1B
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
All of these sound like good ideas
but I would still bet that Carp is re-signed on a 2 yr, $16-20M contract. That may not be the best move to make, but I’d bet that is what Mo/TLR do.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 10, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I'd extend Berkman, sign JJ Hardy for something like 2yrs/15m and then spend whatever's left on a pitcher
but I can see there’s plenty of ways to skin this particular feline.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
you'd like shleby in the rear, wouldn't you?
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on Jun 10, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shleby?
You’re drunk right now, aren’t you?
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 10, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Healthy for three years with no decline (which isn't true) doesn't really count for anything.
He is entering his late thirties, and he is a pitcher. If he is projected to put up three wins, you discount that at least 20% for a normal pitcher, but an old pitcher like carp should probably be discounted further.
http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz
Then again Carp is also really good
Meaning his aging curve shouldn’t be as steep.
I think 3 WAR is a good projection.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it's a bit disingenuous to suggest Carp hasn't declined.
I don’t want to exercise the option. $15 is too much for a guy that will probably live up to it and probably not far exceed. Not much upside in my opinion.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 10, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
what else can he injure that he hasn't had repaired already?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
his ankles
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
or his fist in someone else's face
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
OT:
I’m trading my copy of Mortal Kombat into Amazon and I have the Kombat Pass, which enables online features, and have yet to use it so I’m giving it away. It’s for the Xbox 360. This way, if you plan on picking up the game used, you won’t have to buy the kombat pass from xbox live (as the person who traded in the copy more than likely used the code to get the kombat pass) Anybody interested?
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Jun 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions
My wife's favorite cardinal ever
I miss him
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
45 IP, 53 K, 21 BB/HBP, 19 ER, 2 HR, 2.82 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Me too
Mostly because I got one of the batting gloves he was throwing into the stands when we won the world series.
by Merry CRasmus on Jun 10, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Mine too
Because she has yellow fever
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on Jun 10, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Once you go yellow...
you have PC support for a lifetime?
by peppermartin on Jun 10, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Is it wrong that I imagine you like Vince Masuka from Dexter?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can you not like him though?
He’s probably right behind Debra fucking Morgan on my favorite characters on that show.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 10, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Jennifer Carpenter is a terrible actress.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Jun 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really? I think she's one of the stronger ones on that show tbh
The guy who plays Angel is appalling, and I’m not convinced by LaGuerta either, but I’d have said the worst (not helped by leaden scripting and an awful character) is Dexter’s ghost dad.
No one in that show is exactly Lawrence Olivier, but I reckon Jennifer Carpenter has a lot more charisma and presence than just about anyone else on it, I’d have said. And AFAIK she’s won quite a lot of plaudits in the past, hasn’t she (I think she was in that exorcism of emily rose film, haven’t seen it but apparently is pretty competent in that). So – I’m a bit bemused by your statement, really.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not just how bad of an actor he is
the whole ghost dad thing is so cheesy. it worked as memories, but the fact that the ghost dad is significantly older every season irritates the hell out of me. ghosts don’t age. just kill the whole theme
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
Yeah, it's a pretty awful device
I watch the show with my housemate sometimes and we’re pretty much constantly ripping it for the obvious exposition bits as well – sometimes the voiceover is good to show the differences between Dexter’s exterior and interior personalities, but it’s used far too often to just point out pretty obvious plot details to the viewer (which the show presumably thinks is mentally retarded) or to commentate on whatever’s happening on screen (instead of using, you know, DRAMA) or to spool out reels of exposition.
I think much of the show would work better if it wasn’t so in-your-face, the ghost dad and the “Dexter voiceover” particularly.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
all that said -
still an entertaining show overall!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 11, 2011 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If there was ever a chance of me watching this show, your post effectively reduced that chance to zero.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
At least she has a personality.
I disagree that she is a terrible actress. Probably not ever going to get an Emmy for her work, but she’s competent and created quite a character.
Angel’s actually boring as hell despite some interesting things that he does (It’s impressive how uninterested I was by the whole stripper/dating a cop thing is).
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 10, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Angel is wooden as hell. Quite likeable, but I think that's the character rather than the actor.
Going back to the original source of this discussion, I think the guy who plays Matsuka is quite good.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What are your plans for the weekend?
Me: Finish unpacking. Go out and drink. Watch Super 8. Eat at Oklahoma Joe’s. Finish some scouting reports
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Did I ever post what happened at my bachelor party?
Because one of us almost got shot (like, literally. Angry redneck pulled out his Smith&Wesson), and then three of our guys wrecked a canoe so badly that we could not dislodge it from the rock, and it is likely still in the river
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
SBN'd
Why didn’t you just use the bridge?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
volsncards'd
non mobile edition
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
sounds like The Hangover
Ozark edition
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Jun 10, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ozarks > Cahulawassee
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 10, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
amazing that you had the presence of mind to know what make of firearm it was
I don’t think I would have stuck around to decipher the details
by peppermartin on Jun 10, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well he took it out of the gun case...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Was the dude with a retarded kid playing the banjo?
Na-Na-Na-Na-Na-Na-Na-Na-Na. Did he want you to squeel like a pig? Or, maybe I’m thinking of someone else?
SD
why was he playing the batman song?
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
by Hootie Who on Jun 10, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
He's still learning, it's easier
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions
by jd is legend on Jun 10, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Heard Super 8 was mediocre.
Need to know if First Class or Super 8 is better so i know what to see in the next few days.
http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz
First Class is supposed to be great
but I couldn’t talk the wife into seeing a comic book movie on our date night last night.
Super 8 is good, but I will see anything Abrams pretty much, so I’m not a good one to ask about it.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
first class was not bad at all, i'll go watch super 8 tomorrow
just go see both
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
First Class was good
My only nitpick was how underwhelming Emma Frosts power looked.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
write in on your calendar: watch the carlos martinez videos you asked for or d-dee will eat you alive
i personally plan on finding a place in st louis where i can take the dogs for a walk, looking at laumeier sculpture park, if anyone has insight about that place or any other, let me know
also want to find a good plastic surgeon is st louis but i doubt that any of you clowns will have any recommendations on that topic…
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
also want to find a good plastic surgeon is st louis but i doubt that any of you clowns will have any recommendations on that topic
Why would I mess with perfection?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
my plans: go see the Cardinals destroy the Brewers in Milwaukee
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
take a picture of the jumbotron tribute to TLR's 5000th please
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
Going to LA for the weekend
Beach, beer, broads (actually just the one I’m going with). Should be fun.
That train's
got nothing on that ridiculous hill and the flag pole in the field of play.
I would hope that the new ownership group would try to do something to make that field resemble an actual baseball field rather than a putt-putt golf course.
by chuckb on Jun 10, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's embarassing...
Houston is the least quirky place in America. Instead of trying to manufacture it they should’ve gone hyper-modernist – an astrodome for the 21st century.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I actually would think something like that is kind of cool
You can only have so many “modern throwback” baseball parks.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Or how 'bout
they have an oil derrick out there, and home runs by the home team are celebrated with a “gusher”
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Which results in subsequent delay as the oil is removed from the playing surface.
by Ghostrider520 on Jun 10, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think my absolute least favourite is the massive light-up liberty bell in Citizens Bank Park
that “dongs” and swings from side to side when they hit a, errr, dinger, or win the game.
The Liberty Bell itself is pretty much the least impressive attraction I’ve seen anywhere (outside of The Catfish Capital museum in some godawful backwood of Mississippi State that I forget the name of, and the never-popular Butter Museum in Cork), so making it your ballpark’s “Thing” kinda sucks.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Is the Liberty Bell worse than the giant truck grill at Busch?
Have they decided to not light that thing up after home runs? I thought that was the plan, but haven’t heard any more about it.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
a brit doesn't like the liberty bell? I wonder why?
by STLRegalia on Jun 10, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It is British, isn't it? Founded in London I think.
Even as an attraction, it’s stupid. It has virtually no historical significance, it never did anything or was situated anywhere of historical importance, and its apparent philosophical relevance is nebulous and vague and (even seemingly according to the information in the official visitor centre, its importance has been exaggerated over time). It’s just a medium-sized, broken bell. There are items and attractions of greater historical and political importance in that part of Phillie and all around the States. The best guess I can make is that it’s become a famous artefact through blind luck as much as anything.
Seems crazy that it’s actually one of the most visited things in Philly – about a mile away there’s the Eastern State Penitentiary, which I’d say is probably one of the best and most interesting historical attractions I’ve visited pretty much anywhere, but which I’d guess gets only a tiny fraction of the visitors the Bell gets, which is a huge shame.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually think the Sistine Chapel is up there too
I wasn’t expecting the Mona Lisa to be especially impressive, but I was genuinely surprised how unimpressive the Sistine Chapel is.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I mean, it is at the end of the Vatican Museum, so I can see how that makes it a little less impressive if someone is just burned out on art (you could make the same argument for the Mona Lisa, situated in the Louvre as it is) but “unimpressive”? Is it because it’s that that big or something? Is it the constant “shh”-ing?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
big?
I thought it was bizarrely small. Architecturally, very bland as well. It just seemed to me to be a large hall with some impressive frescoes. I think perhaps I didn’t know what to expect, and was expecting more interesting architecture (whereas obviously the artwork is the draw).
As with anything, though, I’m sure your mood plays a part. On that day I’d seen St Peters (which is incredible), and (as you said) probably spent too much time looking at renaissance artworks through the vatican museum. It was also absolutely rammed with people. As with the Mona Lisa, it’s much harder to appreciate something when it’s about 20-deep in humans…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 11, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Oops, meant to type "because it's not that big"
Anyway, it not meeting your expectations isn’t exactly the chapel’s fault.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Oh yeah?
Well I say it is.
WHATCHA GONNA DO ABOUT IT, BIG MAN????
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 12, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The sight lines are. . .
well, odd. I have sat in pretty good seats down the baselines and feel like I am craning my neck the whole game to see the action. I have never had that feeling in any other ballpark.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Both the hill and the flag pole are features lifted from historical ballparks, if I remember correctly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Features that would have best remained historical curiosities.
But, yes. The hill, I believe, is from Crosley field in Cincinnati.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Crosley, yes
and much less dramatic.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
It's one thing to have those features. . .
in ballparks when they are real, from a time when ballparks were either:
A) fit where they could be in neighborhoods (i.e. Wrigley, Ebbets. Fenway, Sportsman’s Park); or
B) built around the old field where baseball was played (i.e. Polo Grounds, Forbes Field, etc.).
It’s quite another when they are contrived just to be cute, particularly when they affect play.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jun 10, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
A very good point.
Fenway would not have the Green Monster if it were built today. For the record, I don’t understand why you would take a collection of historical ballpark quirks and make your brand new stadium a collection of those old-timey blalpark quirks.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
especially crappy old-timey ballpark quirks
at least do something cool like have a guy outside your stadium playing the Simpsons Theme on a saxamaphone as a tribute to Busch 2.
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
OT: Allen Craig was supporting his school on Monday
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ann_killion/06/10/cal.baseball/index.html?eref=twitter_feed
When the players looked up in the stands on Monday they saw Cal alumnus Allen Craig who is in his second year playing for the St. Louis Cardinals, who were in town to play the Astros. Craig brought along several of his teammates including Albert Pujols and Yadier Molina. When Krist threw out a runner, Molina gave a fist pump. When Pac-10 Player of the Year Tony Renda made a diving play, he looked up and saw Pujols cheering for him.
“I just saw him hit a walk off home run that morning on ESPN and here he is cheering for our team,” Renda said.
if it's not already, I'd like to steal that for a fanshot
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Tony LaRussa
5000 and counting…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jun 10, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
Rosenthal update
6 IP, 2 ER, 1 BB, 10 K, 3:3 GO:AO
full season stay below. Please promote him to high A
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 1:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
holy crap, the K rate
also, today is shelby day
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
and here's c-mart's QC line
26.2 IP, 9 ER, 11 BB, 35 K, 3.04 ERA
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
You can sort of understand why they didn't draft any pitchers this year.
I’d still like to have seen one or two in the first five rounds (other than the Brandon Dickson clone they got in rnd5) but you can sort of understand the logic. It’s hard to imagine that we won’t have two homegrown top-of-the-rotation pitchers graduate in the next 3 years, plus some other competent filler guys.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
and i think all the people who have a problem with the draft should wait and see what they do in the international market before complaining too much. luhnow said that they were likely to take safe position players in the draft and allocate resources to more high-upside, high-risk types in the international signing period
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
don't draft for need
don’t draft for need
don’t draft for need
don’t draft for need
don’t draft for need
don’t draft for need
don’t draft for need
don’t draft for need
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
Why not?
I mean I get that your needs will change, but it can’t hurt to draft a little for need.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Full season stats
Not stay
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and you wrote "stay"
and you wrote i only read what i want to
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Wat?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 3:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wat?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i never thought i'd see the day
when a lisa loeb reference would go unnoticed.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
My knowledge of Lisa loeb begins and ends with the fact that she wears glasses
She does wear glasses, right?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
kept thinking this was talking about chris lambert
i was like holy crap i didn’t know he was pitching decently in the big leagues now
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
Chris Lambert and Chris Narveson are two different people?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jun 10, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently we've all been lied to
Lance Lynn doesn’t exist. It’s a cover for some imposter, name of “”http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2520&position=P" target="new">Michael Lynn". Or, maybe it’s a middle name or something less conspiratorial. Anyway, I was really confused and frustrated with Fangraphs for a couple minutes.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
That's new...
Does Firefox not like linking on SBN?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
your opening tag is broke and there's no closing tag
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
kinda wish i did
but not bad enough to put in the week to read a book and be proficient at it
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
Huh
I used the little link button in the comment box. I wonder how I made it not work.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
try it again. it was being buggy for me, too.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Some imposter
name of “Michael Lynn”
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I think it didn't like that I wanted to make the name part of the link but not the quotation marks
This time I included the quotation marks and it worked fine.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
<a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2520&position=P">Michael Lynn</a>
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
that's what fangraphs does with non-MLB players
anyone remember the name salas had last year?
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
is was noel.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
speaking of salas
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Didn't realise Sean Marshall had been that good
always kinda liked him. That curve is a thing of beauty.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, he's been amazing
2.2 WAR last year with an almost 11k/9
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
Anyone have a BPro account?
And can tell us his SNLVAR?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
i'm pretty much convinced that Mariano Rivera is literally immortal.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
Damn the braves and their late inning power arms
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
look at venter's GB rate
WOW
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
He really is Duncan's personal orgasm
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
boy you said it
wait…what?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You would think Major league hitters
Would treat playing in Houston like a gift from Santa.
I love playing there in “The Show”.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Got a link?
I didn’t think Glaus was part of the ownership group there.
All this minute maid talk and no one posts this picture?
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
President of the Tyler Greene fan club; 4 WAR!!!
@Codeeg
by CodyG on Jun 10, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
The best thing about this picture is giant carlos lee in left field
also, the “we suck balls” is a nice addition
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on Jun 10, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
that's always worth a chuckle
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
i was waiting for that
though, not as long as i’ve been waiting for someone to submit this to a child psychiatrist posing as a parent concerned for their child’s mental well-being.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
My mom is a (now retired) psychiatrist. I need to ask her how concerned she was (is?) about my mental health.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
that explains a lot.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
bring your drawings.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I was trying to describe this
to my daughters during Tuesday’s game. I’ll have to pull this up tonight and show them.
BTW, it is nice that we can still use this, with the fat version of Puma at 1B, for this year’s Astros with the Walrus there.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 10, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
think i prefer the one of LaRussa on the can...
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I like it because it looks like something Beavis and Butthead would draw.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha that's awesome
I hate that center field at Minute Maid, to me I don’t think it should be allowed to go up like that, like a freakin obstacle
Icthyophobia- (n.) Fear of the Fish.
by miramarjuice on Jun 10, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But it's surely there to allow Jim Edmonds to make awesome catches on it, right?
So it’s served it’s purpose.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never liked Narveson
I always followed baseball, but I didn’t because baseball intelligent until 2005, when lboros opened my eyes to the real baseball world. Narveson has always represented the old regime to me. It’s great for him that he may put it together, but I always make this irrational connection between him and every terrible move jockety made.
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
grantland.com
has anyone checked out Bill Simmons new website www.grantland.com yet? If so, what are your thoughts?
I have always found Simmons to be pretty entertaining and so far have enjoyed many of the articles on grantland.
Winner of the prestigious 2011 MVL as presented by Alxfritz.
"You didn't win LOY, but you did win MVL, which is a prestigious award I just made up. And that’s something RiverRat can never take from you." - Alxfritz
Carlos Lee is still running around left field
I have nothing to say about this other than it’s kind of amusing.
"...Or we could make L.A.N.C.E. into a recursive acronym, like, 'Lance: Adam Needs Cartilage from your Elbow." -- Quote by our very own DanUpBaby
by redbirdnation8206 on Jun 10, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
There's a new Mental Floss quiz on baseball stats
here. I don’t think it will be too challenging for most folks here. Note that the correct answer isn’t available for question one, because they screwed up the number of innings in their calculation. So read it as “In his first six innings, starting pitcher Jason English gives up 4 runs on 7 hits (there were no errors). In the seventh inning…” instead of “In his first five innings, starting pitcher Jason English gives up 4 runs on 7 hits (there were no errors). In the sixth inning…” and you can get the answer they’re looking for.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 10, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
i read it as stated on their site
and came up with an available answer
Winner of the prestigious 2011 MVL as presented by Alxfritz.
"You didn't win LOY, but you did win MVL, which is a prestigious award I just made up. And that’s something RiverRat can never take from you." - Alxfritz
Ah, they've changed the answers since I took it
Initially they didn’t have an answer above 9.00, and in their explanation of the answer they had him pitching 6 1/3 innings instead of 5 1/3 innings. Both of those are fixed now.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 10, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
crap
I got all confuzaled and answered 9.00.
Only other one I missed was NERD. I should have known.
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 10, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
10 for 10
I guessed on number 4 and 9 though
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
me too, but I guessed wrong
8 for 10
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
I happened to come across NERD recently on Fangraphs - one of their weekend preview posts,
like this one for this weekend. But before that I’d never heard of it.
Speaking of that Fangraphs link, Carp vs. Greinke tomorrow!
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 10, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Gross Production Average
I didn’t know that one, although I’m sure I’ve seen that formula before. Is that actually better than OPS?
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
do you think OBP is better than Slug?
are you a theriot fan?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
it certainly is.
Hard-core nerds will snivellingly tell you that OPS is stupid because OBP is way more important than SLG – Bill James himself, the king of all things stat-related in baseball, thinks that it is four times as important. Nonetheless, OPS has achieved some small toe-hold in popular parlance, so it’s important to know what it is and when to use it. If you really want to know how good a hitter is, however, EqA is way better. OPS is often cited with a "." and sometimes without. Don’t be confused – if you see a number between like 700 and 1000, with or without a ".", chances are it’s a player’s OPS.
now then
EpA vs wOBA.
GO!
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
pretty much even from what I have read
FanGraphs figures wOBA as far back as 1974, and if we extend that far back, looking at RMSE, we discover that in fact EqA bests wOBA by a slight amount in our typical tests (…) I would go ahead and call that essentially a dead heat, but it wouldn’t be unreasonable to declare victory for EqA.
and... no one gets that.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah you know me?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
i'm with all4tookie here.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
but it's classic
I’ve used it on VEB many times and gotten a reply.
alas.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
THINGS HAVE CHANGED, MAN
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
We need more references to 80s-90s pop music here, especially if it's bad music.
On an unrelated note, the forecast tonight calls for Snow.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 10, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
GAAAAA
why did I even click that link?
"Bud Norris shoves it up our rear end every time he starts"
—Skip Schumaker
I wonder if the glasses hurt his street cred
by peppermartin on Jun 10, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't even check that link
and I can tell you when that video was released, he was in prison. really.
(thanks, VH1)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and because he was too much of a badass Canadian
he wasn’t able to tour in the U.S., and thus he became a one-hit wonder.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
is GPA the same thing as EqA?
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
never mind
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
so.....wait.
wOBA > EqA because it’s both linear (doesn’t get out of whack at extremes) and it’s simpler to derive. Is that right?
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
i think the simplicity is its main draw, yes.
I don’t know much about how EqA is affected in the tails.
got that from your link
I only skimmed it and it still gave me a headache.
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
I did guess at that one
seemed like the most logical choice
by ArkansasTravs on Jun 11, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
correct me if I'm wrong here
Spoiler and all
What does VORP stand for in sabremetrics?
Your answer:
Value Over Replacement Player (VORP is meant to compare a player to the league average and determine how much more effective he is. A player with a positive VORP would be more effective than the league average at his position, while one with a negative VORP should be replaced in the lineup.)
You can have a positive VORP and still be below league average right?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
9/10
I’ve never come across the statistic in #9, sounds interesting and preposterous.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I opened the quiz and the first question looked incredibly tedious
so I promptly closed it again.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
LYNN MAY BE GOING DOWN
BUT I KNOW OF ANOTHER LANCE GOING UP (HINT: IT IS MINE)
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for complete incongruity.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
and flagged, obviously.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
aw. nobody loves oily homer...
and yes, “oily homer” is another euphemism for my wang.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I call mine "Kolten".
Or at least I do now. It’s small but surprisingly advanced, although I guess it probably doesn’t have as much projection as I’d like.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
A lot of people seem disappointed in it
but that’s really not fair.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
LINE UP
Theriot 6, Jay 7, Pujols 3, Berkman 9, Rasmus 8, Molina 2, Greene 4, Descalso 5, Lohse 1
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
No skippy two days in a row.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
by Evilfrog on Jun 10, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I distinctly remember having my evening...
marred by a Skippy sighting last night.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
so you would prefer the him in the lineup?
instead of going 1 for 2 off the bench?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
a fine trouserpress manufacturer indeed.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Switch Theriot & Greene in the field
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: The Riot 4, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Berkman 9, Jay 7, Molina 2, Greene T. 6, DD 5, pitcher (Get well soon: Holliday, Craig, Punto, Freese, Waino)
SWITCH YOUR FACE.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, why the fuck is Theriot still at short
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
because he is an excellent fielder.
Oh, sorry, you said THERIOT? I have no fucking idea. He blows.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
very nice
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
DERP.
Rasmus’ avg w/RISP is .216. 2 players substantially better, Skip and Tyler Greene! Hit him 2nd or 7th/8th. Stop w/ the RBI spots. #stlcards
by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 10, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
I'd prefer rasmas hitting 2nd.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
wow
his OBP has dropped off a lot recentily. I thought it was still up around .400. No matter, .360 is still excellent.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
I've always liked that idea
reminds me of willie mcgee (but better)
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 10, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder where this individual wanted Holliday to hit in the lineup last season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
On behalf of the Florida Marlins
I would like to appologize for letting the Brewers win. It sucks for us too. 8 games…. 8 GAMES!!
Icthyophobia- (n.) Fear of the Fish.
what's with the swarm of marlins fans in this thread?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jun 10, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is it really a swarm?
I haven’t seen any others….
Ah, I see what you did there
Icthyophobia- (n.) Fear of the Fish.
by miramarjuice on Jun 10, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah we take over wherever we go
Icthyophobia- (n.) Fear of the Fish.
by miramarjuice on Jun 10, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't it be more of a school?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Then wouldn't we have been a flock?
Unless we’re the VEBeeees, I guess.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
no, we would be a flock
they would be a school
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
small bcb would be a "feast"
not even kidding.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is that the name for a group of drunk Germans?
Odd, but I’ll go with it.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
But we were the swarm...
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
big bcb would be a litter
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
VEB campfire song
We are the V E Bs
so pity us
The Reds are brats
and the Cubs are hideous.
The Brews are ho’s
the ’Rates are foes
and the ’Stros are piteous
We are the V E Bs
(repeat as many times as needed)
/This is set to the Meatballs’ CIT song for those that may not know it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
don't call 'em the 'Rates, they're the Bucs.... gosh!
by peppermartin on Jun 10, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you're more than welcome to do better.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I doubt we'll live to see the day where POETRY becomes popular on this website, sir!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh.
I shouldn’t have typed that. It’s been a long day.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jun 10, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You, sir, are a true gentleman. We'll try to smack around the Phillies next week for you.
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 10, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be greatly appreciated!
Icthyophobia- (n.) Fear of the Fish.
by miramarjuice on Jun 10, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!
TONY RASMUS IS BACK AND SHOOTING FROM THE HIP!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
oh damn, thats like a week old. How'd I miss that?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Well, thank God WCBW is there to provide a voice of reason....
by BTown Birds fan on Jun 10, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
there's a blast from the past
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 10, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the link is the timestamp
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it is a pretty safe thing to say
that if Albert get’s his 10 years Colby wont be around in st. louis at the end of those 10 years. Though I would Colby would have a greater chance than any one else currently on the Cardinal’s roster.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
holy crap - talk about airing dirty laundry.
i can’t believe that tony would talk to the public about his son in such objective terms. they must be not be getting along.
also, what is ‘jiha’?
......where've you been the last five years?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Great story about a kid in my class
He got into a crush last summer and it was really bad. Basically this story outlines what happened It was a shame too, because he was probably one of the nicest guys I know.
His goals were to lead religious retreat (Kairos for those familiar with it), attend Prom, and graduate. Well he did them all.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
Nice.
Class of 2011 now.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Jun 10, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
pssst. Mo
Trade for Reyes.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
what would it take?
jay and craig?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jun 10, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
better specify which Reyes
I fear the GOB
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Jo Jo FTW
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 6/3/2011):
51 IP, 63 K, 22 BB/HBP, 21 ER, 2 HR, 2.41 FIP
by VolsnCards5 on Jun 10, 2011 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
JAIME F GARCIA
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/which-nl-southpaw-is-greatest/
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
I loved Roger Cedeno in baseball mogul
Always good for a .340 OBP, 50 steals and good defense.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
ha
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/introducing-nerd/
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
since i have nothing better to do
(clickable)
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
So, how many gamethreads tonight?
I assume it’ll be the customary three.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
hey, we won both times when we had three
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on Jun 10, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cardinals won.
Not sure about VEB.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Jun 10, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Cards win, VEB wins
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh Rick and Al again
"Skipper, we're losing the crowd. Put it our new novelty act."
"Darn it! I already put in the circus clown!"
"Yeah, but he bunted. Clowns are only funny when they swing away!"
Cody's sockpuppets haven't made them yet.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
gamthrd?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
check in two minutes
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jun 10, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Would someone tell those guys to hold up the game for a bit?
I’m still looking for a proxy. Thanks.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
hurry up, you're missing some stellar groundouts
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
Damn. That's my favorite thing in the whole world
next to pop fouls.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on Jun 10, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
threadwick
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/6/10/2218217/game-65-open-thread#comments
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
gamethread
everyone JUMP
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 49
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