A Slap in the Face of Peripherals! A Manifesto! By the Poet Miguel Batista!
by DanUpBaby on May 31, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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1. We alone are the face of our Bullpen! Through us the horn of time blows the art of save-blowing!
2. The spreadsheets are too tight! FIP and SIERA are less intelligible than hieroglyphics!3. Who, trustingly, would turn his last love toward Voros McCracken's perfumed lechery? Is this the reflection of today's virile soul?
4. Who, faint-heartedly, would fear tearing from Eric Gagne's novelty t-shirt the false goatee? Or does the dawn of unknown blowouts shine from it?
5. Wash your hands which have touched the filthy slime of the lineup cards written by scoundrel committees!
6. We order that veteran relievers' rights be revered! To feel an insurmountable hatred for the statistics existing after their time! To push with horror off their proud brow the Wreath of fielding-independent success that You have made from bathhouse switches! To stand on the rock of the word "veteran" amidst the seas of boos and outrage! And if for the time being the filthy stigmas of your "common sense" and "repeatable success" are still present in our line scores, these same line scores for the first time already glimmer with the Summer Lightning of the New Coming Beauty of the Ten Walk No-Hitter !!
SIGNED, RYAN FRANKLIN!! and THE POET MIGUEL BATISTA!!
MOZELIAK: ...
MOZELIAK: Do you want to explain this? I found it nailed to my door this morning.
FRANKLIN: That sockdologizing old man-trap—!
ONE DAY EARLIER
BATISTA [looking approximately like this]: ... Which is why no man!! No tradition!! No mathematical scheme!! can keep us from—Franklin!! I didn't expect to see you here!!
FRANKLIN: In the bullpen? I'm here every night, Miguel.
BATISTA: Normally you don't come to the readings!! I was just forwarding a petition!! About—
FRANKLIN: Miguel you sockdologizing old man-trap I don't exactly have the security with the big cheeses to risk something like—
BATISTA: —beard banning. About beard-banning. Banning it!!
FRANKLIN: The Gillette Fusion ProGlide lobby again, I suspect... I suppose I don't see the harm.
ONE DAY LATER
1. Miguel Batista needs to stop passing off the work of Russian Futurists as his own.
SIGNED, Colby Rasmus AND ALSO Kyle Lohse he stole my futuristic chair that's shaped like a hand and he uses it for the readings
MOZELIAK: ...
MOZELIAK: Do you want to explain this? I found it nailed to my door this morning.
RASMUS: ...
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Miguel Batista now has an ERA of 2.01 with a K:BB ratio of 1.00. After the jump: Some other Cardinals relievers who've managed to throw off the chains that shackle them to normality, and also FIPs below four. Here are the five worst seasons, by strikeout-to-walk ratio, for Cardinals relievers who've managed an ERA under 3.50 in the La Russa/Duncan era.
Honorable mention: Steve Kline 2001 somehow managed to sneak his ERA, 1.80, in underneath his K:BB ratio, 1.86. Left-handers are crafty.
5. Dennys Reyes 2009: ERA 3.29, K:BB 1.57. Lefty specialists frighten and confuse me. Reyes was pretty good at his job in 2009; lefties hit .207/.288/.228 against him, and they were well more than half the batters he faced. But part of Reyes's job description involves being so incompetent against most of the hitters in Major League Baseball that he's better off just walking them, so in his 72 plate appearances against right-handers he turned out the Jack Cust-y line of .276/.408/.466.
4. Kyle McClellan 2009: ERA 3.38, K:BB 1.50. Very few ostensibly effective Cardinals have bothered me as much as McClellan did after the 2009 season. His career, at that point, looked like a few happy accidents strung together into a set-up role in 2010—a nice Spring Training, a hot start to his rookie season while everybody else struggled, and then a sophomore year that looked, under the hood, like Chris Perez without the strikeouts.
Obviously things got better after that, because I didn't catch fire when he was awarded the fifth starter's job.
3. Ray King 2005: ERA 3.38, K:BB 1.44. Like Reyes, King combined a total inability to pitch to right-handers with a left-handed repertoire that involved finesse more than strikeouts. He also pitched just 40 innings in 77 games that year, which is truly impressive, and is listed on Baseball-Reference at 6'1", 225 pounds.
2. Blake Hawksworth 2009: ERA 2.02, K:BB 1.33. This is the season Miguel Batista is gunning for in 2011, only he's doing it as a 40-year-old veteran and not a long-delayed rookie with an awesome name and a suddenly live fastball. Only Ryan Franklin (2009) and Steve Kline managed a lower ERA with a K:BB under two.
1. Cory Bailey 1996: ERA 3.00, K:BB 1.27. There aren't many reliever careers more stereotypical than this one; Bailey bounced around as a minor league closer for the better part of 10 years, surfacing three times as an above-average relief pitcher—in 1996, 2001, and 2002. Don't sign relievers to long-term contracts.
In case you were wondering, because they keep showing up on this list, the 2009 Cardinals bullpen had an ERA of 3.67 and a K:BB of 1.75. Top three: Trever Miller, 4.18; Jason Motte, 2.35; Brad Thompson, 2.25.
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Wow I'm legitimately jealous of Miguel Batista
First, he pitches like Mike Maroth and gets a 2.00 ERA for his terribleness and then he meets Miss Iowa (by the way – Holy mother of God is she unbelievably hot – And yes I know that happened last year).
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
Also I found this video
Money Quote: “I told him I could throw a pitch or two, but the question is if he can walk in my bikini and high heels.”
No one wants to see that so don’t take her up on that bet.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on May 31, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Your sig refers to itself. I had to rip my eyes away after reading it for the 4th time.
iowa,
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess Iowa doesn't completely suck....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
unbelievably hot?
who here hasn’t dumped a girl who looks pretty much like that?
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
do you want the short list or the long list
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess it was bad phrasing
short list, as i’m sure you don’t have all day
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
point being!
meh
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I say 'unbelievably hot'?
She’s very pretty. And yes, I have broken up with girls that looked like her. I’ve dated women better looking that were complete bags and didn’t stay with them long either. I just wouldn’t kick her out for eating a cracker, is all I’m saying.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
fang said unbelievably hot
all i’m saying is that if that’s the best iowa’s got.. wel
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey!
If you judge the hotness of a state’s women simply by their beauty pageant contestants you are a very, very shallow individual.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Everybody knows the fair and just way to judge a region's female hotness is by anecdotal evidence from a college of the rater's choice.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Fixed:
…is by anecdotal evidence from the college cheerleading squad of the rater’s choice
In which case, Missouri must have some of the best looking women alive. I’ve yet to see a Mizzou cheerleader that I would rate less than an 8.5 on a scale of 10.
/waitingforgifthatmakesthisstatementseemstupid
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Check out Oregon
SI.COM has had some nice coverage in “Cheerleaders of the week” over the last couple years. Duck babes rock!
SD
It is Iowa after all....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It is Fang you're talking about here.
Boobs? check Legs? check Vagina? hopefully.
Thus, unbelievably hot.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
hahaha I'm going to wait till someone catches this...
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
already did, it's just funnier to not correct it.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
exactly what I was thinking
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I was confused at first as well.
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
seriously
fang hasn’t even appeared in this thread, yet he is taking the heat for calling her hot.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
There's some mob mentality on the site
with regards to certain people. Fang is, unfortunately, one of them.
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
So she's not hot?
News to me…
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on May 31, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
well*
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Man oh man
First VEB went and bad-mouthed Texas, one-half my ancestral homeland. Now I see that the state from whence the other half of my family comes, Iowa, is similarly being vilified and pilloried in the stocks of VEB chatter.
To quote a wise man (surely some wise man said this once, it’s a decent bet anyway), “lots and lots of good people come out of Iowa.”
They tend to not go back, however…
For shame.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I think she looks way hotter in the picture with Miguel
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I wasn’t even 100% sure it was the same girl.
by ArkansasTravs on May 31, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure it is
this one looks like she’s a teenager
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
well, if she's not,
she’s probably not much beyond “teenhood”. Most of them are between 18 and 22.
by ArkansasTravs on May 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
what i got when i google "miss iowa 2010"
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
you believe in beauty pageants?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 31, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
and use botox
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yes!
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that was in the news just last week.
the mother was doing the injecting on her 6 yr old.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
real article
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 1, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry guys!
It was a dirty Brit! And she lost custody.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Oh come now
Those girls are like, 9 years old. 8 at the oldest.
But in all seriousness, most cosmetic surgery freaks me out, let alone when it’s for little kids.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Yeah pretty sure that's not her
Not consistent with her other photos
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on May 31, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like how GlamourShotz it is, though.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Hey!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on May 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
VEB Iowans Unite!
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
booyaa!
although, just have family there, I’m from the other side of the river
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 31, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They have Kurt Vonnegut
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and yet, Kurt Vonnegut is all Iowa needs to produce for me to be satisfied with it
it’s sort of like how Albert Pujols alone has validated our farm system.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
He was a teacher at the University Of Iowa
wikipedia
On the verge of abandoning writing, Vonnegut was offered a teaching job at the University of Iowa Writers’ Workshop. While he was there, Cat’s Cradle became a best-seller, and he began Slaughterhouse-Five,
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
He taught at the Iowa Writer's workshop for a while, but no, he's not from Iowa.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
looks way better in the thread photo
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
This is the best that Iowa can produce?
by peppermartin on May 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It was Kerouac who wrote in On The Road
“The prettiest girls in the world live in Des Moines.” But beauty pageant winners tend not to be genuinely attractive so much as well done up.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
by zack3315 on May 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you considered entering beauty pageants?
I hear second prize in $10.
The revolution will not be televised.
by clank on May 31, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is a terrible picture of her
Way to google image and pick the worst one
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on May 31, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
those aren't even the best ones.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
These three pictures don't even look like the same person to me
I smell heavy photoshopping on all these.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Slightly better than "last call"
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Batista=Antichrist?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Only if he gets put into the rotation...
seriously, we went the route of Walters and Suppan last year. We have very useful pieces on the major league roster, and a decent amount of B prospects. Let’s go get a real pitcher.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
somewhere, Batista composes an ode to the NL Central leaderboard
using Greinke vs Reineke
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well this is interesting
I’m still up and not tired. I know once I go to bed, it’ll be tough to sleep for only a few hours and that’s really what I want to do.
That what you get for sleeping 12 hours and waking up at 1:30 the day before I guess.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
I don't know from Russian Futurists
but I kind of wish that Jason LaRue would burst through the door demanding to know if his beloved team has been infect with godless Bolshevism, and announce that he cannot abide it.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 31, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I vote for this.
[is led away for too much democracy]
politics!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"infected", not "infect"
I hereby quit the English language which I love so dearly but which clearly does not love me. I will henceforth post only in Spanish, bad Italian, bad Latin, bad Russian, bad Spanish, and English littered with typos. So, nothing to see here.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 31, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Bad Finger?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
[VEB begins debate on best futurist ever. Thread devolves when someone brings up a Beatle.]
/prediction
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's either Batista or Umberto Boccioni
depends on if you go with xFUT or just regular FUT. Batista’s Whisper-thin mustaches per facial hair style this season is unsustainable considering his career norms.
You think Marinetti isn't going to get clutch hits?
Have you been to the mustard museum?
by a fink on May 31, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You think the bullpen will throw off the shackles of the past?
Wait, is that what we want it to do? These crazy 20th century “intellectual” movements are so damn confusing.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Thanks duder
Now that I am 27 years old I’m pretty sure my days of occasionally getting carded while buying alcohol have finally come to a middle.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
It really is your birthday?
Happy Day to you, sir!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
Thank you
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Happy bday.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No tranny reference?
I’m disappointed.
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
Happy bidet?
If that’s what you’re into…..
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear he's interested in a raspberry bidet.
The revolution will not be televised.
by clank on May 31, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
That's a rec.
I can’t stop laughing at the thought of that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear you can find them at second-hand stores.
The revolution will not be televised.
by clank on May 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you are now in your peak year, Matty Bobo
After this year, you are down hill on the aging curve. I expect your posting performance to be elite level.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on May 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Now now now
I’d say he’s gonna peak at, say, 30 or 31. he’s not an NBA player or an MLB outfielder.
Happy birthday
and, btw, you’ll soon like it when you get carded. Although I did have a good laugh a few years ago when 45 y/o me was asked for ID.
by ArkansasTravs on May 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
not to burst your bubble,
I always get carded by new waitresses, it is the law in most states, you must have a valid id on you to drink in a bar or restaurant. I got carded yesterday and I’m 48.
eh
this was a liquor store but I have no illusions, especially with the amount of gray that’s crept into my hair since then.
by ArkansasTravs on May 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i still get carded for cigarettes at 26
but i probably look closer to 21 or so
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, this is me.
I recently got carded for cigarettes for a pal and I’m 25.
The revolution will not be televised.
..
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Just noticed on Blue Jays Banter they've memorialized...
Batista by naming their suckage reliever of the day award after him…. He has terrorized fanbases across the continent.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Thats funny
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on May 31, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My tastes are publicly offended.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
by a fink on May 31, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you include inherited runners who have scored, his ERA climbs to 4.02
So that’s how many runs he’s actually allowed per 9 innings this season.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Giving him full-credit for those runs is just as disingenuous as ignoring them entirely.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
I always wondered why they didn't divide up the runs for inherited runners scored.
It seems like it’d be easy enough – .75 of a run to the reliever for an inherited runner that scores from first, .5 from second, .25 from third. The portion of the run not charged to the reliever goes to the started that allowed the runner to reach.
I’ve not thought about all that much, so there’s probably some glaring flaw with the idea, but it just seemed to me like it’d make more sense that way.
Why?
Isn’t his job to come in and prevent those runs from scoring? This gives us a much better idea of how well he’s doing his job doesn’t it?
In terms of personal accomplishment, sure, I can understand why it’s scored the way it is. But in terms of actual performance in relation to role and job responsibilities, he owns all those runs because his job is to come in and prevent as many from scoring as possible.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i don't see a need to add inherited runners to ERA
We already have a stats for that. It’s called inherited runners, inherited scored, and inherited scored %.
Batista has had 5 IR, two of which haved scored. Giving him an IS% of 40%.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
But those runners weren't his fault
If you’re going to do that you have to do that for every pitcher, which will make league average “ERA” much higher.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You said "ERA." Allowing a runner you inherited to score from third with nobody out
is hardly equivalent to an earned run.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
No
I actually said that’s “how many runs he’s allowed” and just attributed it to his ERA.
His ERA looks rosy because he comes in, lets runners score, and then gets lifted for someone like Motte, who strands all of Batista’s baserunners. So his ERA is 0.00 but he allowed the men on 1st and 2nd to score.
ERA is a meaningless stat for relief pitchers because their job isn’t to just keep earned runs off the board, it’s to keep AS MANY runs off the board as possible.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
oh, that says "Miss Iowa"
I though it said just said “SS Iowa” because of her ability to hold sea men.
(somebody had to do it)
by STLRegalia on May 31, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
but why is she still stuck in Iowa
why not Memphis
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
you did not just go for a rim shot
did you
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
well done
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
there should really be a way to get an assist for greenings.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Aaron Miles has as many PAs for the Dodgers in 2011
as he did for the Cardinals in 2010. Can you imagine their pain? Why is this man still an MLB regular? I was at their game yesterday and it was the worst sort of deja vu.
Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
Can we trade them Frankista for a functional prospect?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on May 31, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or perhaps trade it for a brewery.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems weird they traded away Theriot
to sign an even worse scraptastic middle infielder.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems weird they traded away Theriot
to sign an even worse scraptastic middle infielder.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of like it's weird that we traded away Ryan
To trade for an even worse scraptastic middle infielder.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
WHat's worse for them...
…is Juan Uribe and James Loney aren’t slugging much better than Miles (who has 3 double and 1 triple out of 39 hits!!!)
Griebenschmaltz!
Probably nexdef'd, but wow:
From the latest Fangraphs power rankings..
The Cardinals’ outfield WAR total of 9.6 dwarfs every other outfield by at least three wins, and is a higher total than all position players for 22 of the other teams in baseball.
Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
And that's with Holliday sitting for the better part
of the last two weeks.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
And about three weeks total.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hell, I forgot all about the first stint.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Also probably nexdef'd but...
David Schoenfield is not feeling the Cardinals, but he does love himself some Brew Crew.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Doesn't pull many punches, does he?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he doesn't.
Especially when making bold predictions about Gallardo and Greinke outperforming McClellan and Lohse:
If I had to make a call right now, I’d lean to the Brewers. Their rotation is the best in the division, and Gallardo (7-2, 3.89) and Zack Greinke (3-1, 5.79) are just starting to pitch well. Put it this way: I expect those two to drastically outperform Kyle McClellan (6-2, 3.86) and Kyle Lohse (7-2, 2.13) the rest of the season, and I also expect some of the Cardinals’ hitters to fall off their early pace.
Isn’t a better bit of analysis to predict whether the top two pitchers for the Brewers will outperform Garcia and Carpenter the rest of the season?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'd expect Albert to fall up his early pace.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
It's interesting,
because Rasmus and Berkman have fallen off of their early pace. Holliday has due to being out of the lineup with an injury. Theriot is Theriot. Yadi has picked it up (and will probably fall off his current hot streak). We’ve already experienced most of the falling off, yet we keep winning. And Allen Craig is emerging as our second baseman…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Speaking of craig
How has he done? I haven’t gotten to watch much lately and my internet has sucked this past weekend.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Needs work on turning the double play,
but otherwise, adequate.
Oh, and he hits like Allen Craig.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
As fritz would say
perfectly cromulent?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on May 31, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
poor bill mcneil/phil hartman.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
That's what I was thinking...
“well at least our 1-2-3 guys are pitching better than all of their pitchers.”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Yeah, I thought that was an odd comparison.
Putting Kmac in a discussion with the two best pitchers on their staff is hardly fair. I guess pitcher wins must count for something in his book for him to dismiss Carp like that. And Lohse may fall back to earth a bit. But he’s pitching like he was capable of before the injury. Which puts him in the good but not great category, so he may not lose much off his production, unless he starts to get tired late in the season. And to not include Jaime at all is just insulting.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well sure...
he’s cherry-picking his victims here.
If you take a look at the rotations as a whole, though, his point is still pretty clear:
A rotation of Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf, and Narveson is likely to outperform a rotation of Carpenter, Garcia, Westbrook, Lohse, McClellan over the last 2/3 of the season.
I would expect that our offense would outperform their offense over that same 2/3 of the season though. We have more or an even amount offensive talent at every position on the field with the exception of 2B.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I agree.
And I wonder why he didn’t just write that Gallardo and Greinke are starting to throw well, which makes him think the Brewers rotation will outperform the Cardinals rotation from here on out.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Because listing those direct names
impresses casual readers (who may not know the performance levels of the pitchers) that the difference may be larger than it appears.
For example, Chris Carpenter’s ZiPS update looks a lot more impressive than McClellan’s does.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Oh, and just because I like to rattle VEP's chain a little bit....
Shawn Marcum: 11 Starts, 1.7 WAR
If he maintains that pace through 32 starts: 4.95 WAR.
Sometimes I wish some people would put their money where their model is.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
HR/FB of 6.7%
He doesn’t deserve his current WAR.
Also, I never said there wasn’t a chance that Marcum be worth 4.5 WAR, but that it was unlikely. That it happened doesn’t actually mean anything.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
he's still got a 3.20 xFIP
the man has been dealing
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
It hasn't actually happened.
not yet, anyway.
by SouthsideCardsFan on May 31, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Right....
and I said he “was a good bet”. So I actually didn’t say it either, yet you decided to get into a pissing match about it.
So, I reserve the right to continue to bring this up for the rest of the season, perhaps then we can avoid stupid pissing matches about subjective opinions just because they don’t line up with some computer formula for projecting players.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
By every metric except ONE, he deserves his WAR
Cherry pick much?
Even if you normalize his HR/FB rate, through 32 starts he’s worth 4.5 WAR. 3.20 xFIP? That’s ace level performance so far.
I suppose now your excuse will be that he was “lucky” through 11 starts just because his HR/FB is half 3.2% under the league average or some shit.
Again, put your money where your model is. Avatar bet or something.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Hey, with Craigen at 2b
I kind of like our odds there too.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
our defense is quite a bit better than theirs, as well
I wouldn’t have been so sure about the offense but, seeing how Craig (in particular) has hit this year, I think it’s a better than evens chance that we out-perform theirs, yeah.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean our offense is elite at this point
Especially if Pujols plays third a significant amount of the time.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh. . .
I dunno that his point is all that clear.
Those rotations look pretty similar to me in expected value:
Greinke vs. Carp – By xFIP, Greinke’s last three seasons are: 3.71, 3.09, 3.60. He’s a very, very good pitcher, but the 2.16 ERA that he had one season (the 3.09 xFIP season) makes him seem to be an otherworldy pitcher rather than a very, very good one. Carpenter’s put up a 3.34 and 3.70 xFIP the last two seasons. Granted, he’s getting older and is always an injury risk (I didn’t give you his last three full seasons because that would have involved going back to 2006). Greinke has had the better start to 2011 (1.61 xFIP vs. 3.37), of course, although in a much smaller sample than Carp. Advantage: Greinke, but it’s not like it’s a huge difference.
Gallardo vs. Garcia – Gallardo’s last three full season xFIPs: 4.17, 3.71, 3.29. Garcia put up a 3.62 xFIP last season, and of course has been lights out htis season, Coors Field be damned. Advantage: maybe Gallardo, if you prefer a body of work over a somewhat mercurial start to a career, but both appear to be very good pitchers.
Marcum vs. Lohse: OK, there’s no doubt that from the numbers you give Marcum the advantage here. even though, by xFIP, Marcum doesn’t look as good as his gaudy ERA (3.74 xFIP in his one good season as a full-time starter). Marcum has a very thin track record, however. The question is whether Lohse’s last two seasons were more injury-induced than they were regression-to-the-mean induced. Advantage: Marcum, if just because bad Lohse is so bad, although good Marcum is also better than good Lohse (4.11 xFIP in his best season).
Wolf vs. Westbrook: Which veteran starter will be better? Westbrook has historically been better by xFIP. Wolf has been more recently durable. Interestingly, Westbrook has a slightly better xFIP (4.15 vs. 4.23 thus far this season) despite his craperrific start. ADVANTAGE: Westbrook.
Narveson vs. McClellan: Quaduple A veteran vs. mediocre reliever turned starter. This has got to be a push, doesn’t it?
by SouthsideCardsFan on May 31, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree
Any advantage the Brewers have on pitching is slight – 2 WAR at most.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If Greinke and Gallardo DON'T outperform Lohse and Kmac the rest of the way
we’ll end up about 10 games ahead of the Brewers. I don’t really think that’s exactly going to be the deciding factor of the division!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
When the Brewers
start to win on the road, then we’ll talk. Their road record is the worst in the National League. Plus, compared to their puffball schedule to date, their June one is brutal.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on May 31, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
T minus one hour and 6 minutes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I had a dream I was in a rock-skipping contest with Dennis Eckersley
he was so good at skipping rocks.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on May 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
With this delivery,
I would hope he would be good at skipping rocks.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
exactly
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
by purple_haze on May 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine this is his reaction whenever Creedance comes on the radio.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on May 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Yes, he's clearly saying
“DOWN ON THE CORNER, OUT IN THE STREET.”
by Ghostrider520 on May 31, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't feck with Eck.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on May 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I rec "Don't feck with Eck"
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Have any of you come across the
Follow me on twitter: @SphericalPuma
by CarpIsMyManCrush on May 31, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
That's probably the real Batista
hiding behind a fake account so he can get his verse on.
Or DanUp.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on May 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And also possibly a small sphere of characters
with which he could interact.
The revolution will not be televised.
and his intellectual colby
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ColbysMullet
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 31, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
awww look at keith law being all cutesie with the pop culture jokes
But more importantly, he has Shelby ranked as the #4 overall prospect.
4. Shelby Miller, RHP, St. Louis: Tore up the Florida State League (81 K’s in 53 innings at age 20) and earned a promotion this past weekend to Springfield … which I’m sure will rename itself Shelbyville shortly. Previous position: No. 9
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on May 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ooo and....
25. Carlos Martinez, RHP, St. Louis: Multiple sources have him hitting 100 mph as a starter this year, and he’s getting Pedro comps. The Cardinals are really taking it easy with him, giving him at least six days of rest between starts, so that velocity might not hold, but we’re talking three plus pitches with good feel right now. Previous position: No. 52
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
NUMBER FOUR PROSPECT IN ALL OF BASEBALL
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
YOU THINK SHELBY MILLER'S NOT GOING TO TEAR UP THE PROSPECT LISTS?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on May 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Having the #1 Pitching prospect and the #1 hitting prospect at the same time was pretty cool.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
don't cry
that #1 hitting prospect turned into Matt Holliday.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
oh
I was thinking Shelby and Walrus for some reason.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Walrus would never have been the number 1 hitting prospect
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Miller has entered the untouchable zone...
but Martinez is right where LaPorta, Wallace, and Smoak were when they were traded top shelf talent.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
to be fair, Keith Law was the most bullish on CMat out of anyone last year
having him just outside the top 50, as I recall.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
he was also very high on Shelby Miller
but I think he’s a consensus top 10 prospect right now.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
he hadn't thrown a baseball in America as a professional last year, though
I think 25 is a bit bullish but it’s totally outlandish. I think Martinez is probably a top 50 guy, at least (although I’m not really knowledgeable enough about the farm systems of the rest of MLB to make that estimate, I think that’s probably where a guy with that sort of stuff belongs).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone hates KLaw until he has something nice to say about
Cardinal prospects . . .
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
by azruavatar on May 31, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They rip on him a lot on the fast lane
I have always liked him myself
by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He's can be an ass, but he's not biased.
I can see why people tire of his schtick (like some do w/ Strauss), but the “HE HATEZ [TEAM X]” is pretty off base.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Strauss is much worse
Strauss is nothing but schtick. He’s the most bloggerish writer I know.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
And Law is actually a decent analyst
I hate him in the same way I hate Dave Cameron, which is to say, not really.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
so, the way Azru hates Chuckie Fick?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i never had problems with regarding the Cardinals specifically
but I do get tired of the snark factory.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
That is why I follow him also
Law snarky and knows stuff
Strauss asshole and knows nothing
by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't hate him, but i know some do
never understood why though.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
That wasn't him.
I think Law said basically St. Louis was lucky against New York and Detroit.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
And we were the worst Champions ever. Which, well, we were.
But it beats the alternative.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
is that true?
i mean, the playoffs are a crapshoot anyway. Gotta believe some bad teams have lucked into a title here or there.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
though i guess they were more fair in the days without tournament style play
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
Worst record to win the WS
All the injuries between Memorial Day and the playoffs…
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
yeah but we got healthy at the right time
that makes us the team with the worst record but not necessarily the worst true talent team.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
Jeff Suppan, Jeff Weaver, & Anthony Reyes
was 3/4 of the playoff rotation.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I'd rather be lucky than good?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And not let Marquis pitch, yes.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
that too
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
we also only had about 4 above-average position players that year.
Maybe 5 if you count Chris Duncan, who is now out of baseball…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
mainly due to injury though
they Belly was playing out of his mind for us too.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
So Taguchi and Yadi Molina had the two biggest HRs in the NLCS.
Saying a team was lucky isn’t necessarily an insult.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I was thinking about So Taguchi whilst eating my cereal this morning
and I really have absolutely no idea why.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, well we got the trophy.
So fuck em all.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying we should fuck the trophey?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on May 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought that was a toaster?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We were not a bad team in 2006
Just a very injured team that got healthy in October
by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And got really hot pitching at the right time.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I will always remember how filthy Tyler Johnson was
by FlimtotheFlam on May 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Him and Kinney we pretty silly.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
How many martinis at lunch did you say you had?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
I wish. Just scatterbrained at the moment.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
fun fact
Tyler’s SO/9 for the NLDS was 20.3.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Fun fact.
On May 31st 2006, the best record in the NL was owned by the St. Louis Cardinals.
Then the GOBs struck with fury…
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
In many, many ways, it was the Bizzaro 2004.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Y'know, I tooo used to believe this meme. . .
and have several times tried to make arguments based on the schedule and when guyds got hurt, and have not been able to make the arguments.
I have decided, yes, we were a pretty mediocre (at best) team.
by SouthsideCardsFan on May 31, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
leaving Carp off of the 09 Cy Young Ballet
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
All of his comments
can be found here.
Also, you can read a thread on Law where Fritz starts everything off by calling him an idiot!
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
heh
Acquire Jason Schmidt
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
I'm not a doctor!
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
as if the cardinals didn't have enough All Star SP on the DL in 2007/08
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
In my excuse, I had been drinking.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I wish! Sobriety is boring.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
If that's what it was, I think that's stupid
there were a few pitchers who deserved to be in the top 3 over Carpenter .
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
as far as why the fastlane keeps making fun of him
It wasn’t just that he left him off, they got him on the phone afterwards to explain his voting. In which he proceed to say, “fuck you, I’m Keith Law.”
Well, if you ask the guys at the Fastlane, that’s sorta the story they would tell.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Do I want to get my baseball analysis from Keith Law or D'Marco Farr? Hmmmmm
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
CCDNGAF about what you think of him in tights.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
Tigers in three was Bob Nightengale
Bob Nightengale is an asshole.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
Zack Cox is one of the ten names or so considered for top 25!
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
Cox seems like he's in the 80-90 range
Matias seems more in the 30-50 range
Shelby Miller is a top 10.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
He was 60 something coming into the year...
and he seems to have lived up to the hype. Why would he have dropped?
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
Everyone knows Cox can't stay up forever...
by Ghostrider520 on May 31, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
says you
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he wasn't even on Baseball Prospectus' list at all
i’d put him in the 80-90 range right now, but if he keeps it up, I’d say he ends up in the top 50
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
I still think his ceiling's quite low
really, I don’t see him being any better than Matt Carpenter. Despite the wildly differing opinions on them as draftees, I can’t see how Cox will be any better defensively than Carp, and, as a slappy line-drive hitter with limited power I don’t see how he’s going to hit any better than him either (given I expect Carpenter to hit for a slightly lower average and maybe a bit less power but walk quite a lot more). I could see either of those guys being fringey top-100 guys, but I’m not sure either merits a top 50 spot unless Carp comes up to St Louis and hits well for a couple of months or Cox starts absolutely mashing in SF (which I guess is possible).
If Taveras gets healthy and continues to hit I could see him breaching well into the top 100 by the end of the year too.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Cox should mash in Springfield
He’s a left handed hitter playing in the Texas League. He should hit 12-15 homers there in the next 3 months I would think.
Also, he’s got more upside than Matt Carpenter. For one thing, scouts rate his glove as above average at 2B and his bat fits better there than Carpenter’s does at 3B. I also think that he’s going to have more pop than Carpenter — he could be a 12-15 homer and 40 double guy if he hits his ceiling, with similar on-base ability.
Cox has a higher ceiling, although Carpenter is looking awfully good for where we got him in the draft.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It's possible that by next spring we could have 3 in the top 25:
Miller, Martinez, and Cox.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah.
They have to clear the deck for the NBA Finals. The Cards/Giants should be about over by the time Heat/Mavs tip off on ABC.
by Ghostrider520 on May 31, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So
they’re playing a game in either Miami or Dallas and starting it at 9:00 CDT? Brilliant.
by ArkansasTravs on May 31, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The game is at 9 ET.
So ESPN and ABC will be “competing” for 30-40 minutes or so.
Although I am feeling good about a Chris Carpenter CG SO and a game time of just under 2 hours.
by Ghostrider520 on May 31, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter saying Pujols is leading first basemen
in All-Star voting. Where can I see the current voting totals?
The People still believe!!!!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer my version.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Allen Craig nowhere to be seen.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
Give it time.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on May 31, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Cody has not yet begun to vote.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about Jeter?
It increases our odds!
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
If the top three holds Holliday to play CF?
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
who are the other options? Braun and Berkman?
/too lazy to look
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Would LaRussa-esque shenanigans be allowed?
Pujols to third, Berkman to first, and Polanco to CF, maybe?
Regardless of what happens later in the game, someone is going to have to start there.
And if voting ending today it would be either Holliday, Berkman, or Braun, as someone already mentioned.
Chances are one of the “back up” outfielders would be more adept at playing center, whether that is Ethier, Kemp, Victorino, Pence (have to have an Astro, right??).
by Ghostrider520 on May 31, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Polanco's quite good
obviously Zimmermann should be the NL’s starting 3B in any year in which he’s healthy, but Polanco wouldn’t be the most undeserving All-Star starter I’ve ever heard of.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Anaheim
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
no wait that was last year
umm it’s Arizona
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
They want to give Hank Steinbrenner something to bitch about.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Really, the Astro should probably again be Michael Bourn
who got a lot of bizarre flack, IIRC, for being an undeserving all-star in the year in which he garnered 5 WAR.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sourced...(because I didn't believe it)
@BJRains
B.J. Rains
Full Cards lineup: Theriot 6, Jay 9, Pujols 5, Holliday 7, Berkman 3, Rasmus 8, Molina 2, Schumaker 4, Carpenter 1.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Get Craig in there for Schu and roll with this lineup for the rest of the summer, please.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
second start in a row of his I cheer against the guy
I might as well buy a “Vogelsong? More like Vogelsuck” t-shirt
in other words, my baseball slogan t-shirts aren’t selling too well.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
by CodyG on May 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A 5-4-3
involving Pujols, Craig, and Berkman would be all kinds of awesome..
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 31, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a pretty nice lineup though
I really like Pujols at third.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I have an idea.
let’s write Albert in at third base.
that way NL doesn’t lose power at first base.
it’s only one game, it won’t screw with his elbow that much with all the switches.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
why would the switches screw with his elbow?
does he need to change out arms to play first and third? He’s getting maybe 5 throws a game at third, so I don’t really see the huge deal.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't remember Pujols potentially needed Tommy John's surgery a few years back?
He ended up not needing that, but it doesn’t mean he’s able to make the cross-diamond throw five times a game. It seems like such a risk to put him there.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
How many throws does he make a game at first?
How many during warmups?
I would be the stress put on his arm at third is only marginally greater than at first.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have the answer to that
So fair point on the quantity of throws I guess.
I do know it’s around 90 feet to home and around 125 feet from 3rd to 1st. I’d guess that puts the marginal stress at 38%. So Albert will be putting 38% more stress on his arm to throw the ball.
Is that our starting point in this conversation?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
PLEASE don't let that be the starting point.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What am I missing
in terms of effect on his arm?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I was joking
as in “this conversation’s really boring, please don’t let it only just be starting”. I’m guessing it didn’t quite work!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
he's only on contract this year
so my (possibly slightly harsh) take is – I don’t really care. If it makes us a better team and he’ll do it, put him at 3B. If he blows out his elbow it’s not our problem after this year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 31, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah!!
then we can sign Prince and Jose Reyes in the offseason.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
I think Prince gets nearly as much as Albert FWIW
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
baseball is a business
bla bla bla
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
I'm not saying force him to play there against his will
but if he’s OK with taking the risk, I don’t see why we shouldn’t be.
In any case, there’s no proof (as far as I can see) that playing 3B should be appreciably tougher than playing 1B on his arm, and we don’t even know if the elbow is still even a problem.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I agree
My point above was that playing 3rd base will be worse for his arm. Your point here about how it’s his contract year and we should let him go anyway is an interesting one for sure though.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Felonius has a very good point.
And Pujols did volunteer to do it. I’m sure he has been apprised of the possible effects and consequences.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 31, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Which are both positive and negative for him.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I think A-Rod is a 1B, long-term
or perhaps a 3B for the next couple of years. I find it hard to believe they’ll move him back to SS at his age, I think he’d be one of the worst fielders in baseball at that position.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he does
And I should have included that in my reply. I guess I went into thinking about this as “What is the best thing for keeping St. Louis Cardinal Albert Pujols healthy for the longish-term?”
Felonious’s perspective is “What is the best thing for the Cardinals in 2011 assuming Free Agent Albert Pujols is going to get his $30 million somewhere else in 2012 and beyond?” And that’s a reasonable perspective that I guess we’re all going to have to consider a bit more now.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I am confused in that I am saying it is no big deal, and you seem to be wondering why it is a huge deal.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in any case, it's traditional to fret over Albert in the ASG.
baseball is about tradition. it’s American. or something.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe if he would participate in the HR derby he would find his power stroke
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That's what BP is for.
also McGwire
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
what does oil have to do with this?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
he's rusty
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
I thought you were saying the opposite of what you were saying
My mistake.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
Poetically Correct
The key to success, at least what I’m tryin’
Is walking the dudes, not hittin’ their bats like Ryan
As a vet, I won’t have the travel logs
That go with young wild men, like Mitchell Boggs
I know VEB would rather I was a Starbucks barista
But the hot chicks like wild men, like me – Miguel Batista!
SD
by Gibby45 on May 31, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Jon Jay currently has a higher SLG% than Allen Craig
though their stats are all really similar.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
intersting, even their at bats
aren’t far off.
Now I’ll start worrying that someone will think Jay should play full time next year.
the Chief Justice will be in RF
when Berkman moves to 1B.
/smile
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: The Riot 6, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, Berkman 9, Craig/Punto 4, Molina 2, DD/Lil Carp 5, pitcher (Get well soon, Mr. Freese)
by gocards62 on May 31, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That suits me
I think Jay has shown he’s legit. He isn’t THIS good but he’s been about a 4 WAR player, pro-rata, so far. He’s an average player in any of the three OF spots IMO.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Jun 1, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
they have been playing absolutely stupendously this season
I wouldn’t mind seeing jay in there every few games
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on May 31, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So I was at the game on Saturday at Wrigley Field watching the Cubs and Pirates
What a complete give away by the Cubs. I actually felt kinda bad for my wife (who is a Cub fan) for the lack of effort that they showed. Maholm threw only 92ish pitches for the CGSO. The crowd was completely dead for the whole game and nearly half of them had left by the 7th inning. On the plus-plus side I have come to believe that I am the black kiss of death for the Cubs. They are 1-7 in the games that I have attended at Wrigley (including a CGSO by Carp back in 2005).
As soon as you get comfortable, the baseball gods will kick you right in the junk. -Chris Duncan
by FredbirdisaDork on May 31, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting
TLR met with Garcia regarding the manager leaving the pitcher in too long during his last start:
Manager Tony La Russa met before Sunday’s game to help clarify any mixed messages lefthander Jaime Garcia may have taken from Saturday’s seemingly endless 3 1/3-inning outing in which he surrendered 12 runs (11 earned) to the Colorado Rockies.
“I just wanted him to know there wasn’t any hidden meaning or any hidden messages behind it,” said La Russa, who said he approached Garcia rather than vice versa.
La Russa pointed to the schedule as the driving factor between allowing Garcia to cram 107 pitches in his shortest start to date. Garcia allowed six runs in the first inning and became involved in an abortive rundown during the third inning before being sent out to work the fourth. La Russa hoped Garcia would clear the frame but reconsidered after Garcia surrendered the final two of 11 hits that went with four walks.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So...
Apparently McClellan has a hip. (makes since, he appears to be able to walk.) And is day-to-day.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
So HE was the injured one!
That explains why they sent boggsy down to start some games.
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on May 31, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
McClellan pitched 6 innings of 0 ER ball
after Boggs went down.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
He wasn't injured yet.
But John Mozeliak has a magical scarf that sometimes gives him visions of future events.
Is John Mabry still on the roster?
by zack3315 on May 31, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh
well, then, let’s go with the magical scarf theory then
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on May 31, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
Holliday scratched from the lineup.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
nooooo
so no pujols at 3B?
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on May 31, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
no lineup update yet
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
Craig in LF
Berkman to hit cleanup via @dgoold
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
according to
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
weird that the SF beat writer scooped both of our writers by like 5 minutes.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
Updated lineup
Theriot 6
Jay 9
Pujols 5
Berkman 3
Craig 7
Rasmus 8
Molina 2
Schumaker 4
Carpenter 1.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
Finger-drumming, lookin' for somethin' to do
It’s trivia time! Gotta beat 27 out of 31 (shouldn’t be too hard).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 31, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
got them all
had three minutes on the 6 walks one and finally guessed one of the killer Bs
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
wtg, cody.
Knew it shouldn’t be too hard, since they all have occurrences of more than one. I missed the 6 walks, the 10 teams in a career, the 20 triples in a season and the “reached base at least 7 times in a game, with 5+ hits”.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 31, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I guessed the 10 teams one by typing in reyes
not even sure it’s dennys
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
2 players recently went 20-20-20
so the triples one shouldn’t be too hard. Reaching base 7 times was a killer.
Also, what MLB record do the Cardinals have a stranglehold on?
(hint: 2 occurrences, both by Cardinals).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 31, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
Most no-hitters by a guy named Bob Forsch?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
the 13 RBI game?
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
there are no 13 rbi games....
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 31, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i meant 12
or 11
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
12
Yes, “Sunny Jim” Bottomley and “Hard Hittin’” Mark Whiten, both wearing BotB at the time, hold the record (12) for most RBI in a single game.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 31, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it had something to do with RBIs
sweet!
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
only team
having a player hit for the cycle in order (John Mabry)
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
na, that has happened tons of times
Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
look it up
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_cycle
Names in bold were natural cycles…I count at least 15 others
Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
I just looked it up...
and I’m red faced!
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well, i learned that
Tony Lazzeri is the only guy to hit a natural cycle with the HR being a grand slam, which was overshadowed by the fact that Lou Gehrig hit 4 HR in the same game. So, the research was worth it.
Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
i was going on what the announcer said
when Mabry did it. I should have looked it up then but I just took his word for it.
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on Jun 1, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. It's called a natural cycle
It’s happened at least ten times
The revolution will not be televised.
who did he hit the last one off of?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Rob Dibble
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
homers in a doubleheader
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
i.e., Hard Hittin Mark Whiten
& Musial
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
Most shutouts by a pair of brothers?
Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983
by Dave Pendleton on May 31, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lynn, I assume
unless they think Boggs is already stretched out
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
they've got room....
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
when's the date that prospects can be called up without losing a year of service time
It’s in June IIRC
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
hey, how did the two runners get on?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 42
Tejada doubled over JJ's head
Pat the Bat walked
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
what happened to lego?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 42
Which makes his start yesterday and the PH appearances obnoxious
The revolution will not be televised.
Rally Game Thread in the Bottom of the 1st?
Rally Game Thread in the Bottom of the 1st
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So, any reason for the crazy
defensive alignment other than tlr?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he got nostalgic for pujols at third again?
wanted to get skip some playing time? I dunno
by Cards Fan in Chitown on May 31, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
"because TLR" is good enough for Tony....
"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."
Hey Game THread
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
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