Cardinals-Rockies Notes and More Carlos Martinez Adoration
by DanUpBaby on May 27, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintI'm short for time today—I'm writing after all, from Japan, which is deep into the apocalyptic nightmare that your Friday is about to become—so a few links and notes will have to suffice for today's morning post.
- Carlos Martinez! It's been a little less than a year since we first heard his name—incorrectly, as it turns out—and now we actually have 17 innings on which to hang our boundless admiration for his fastball. While I'm praising the organization's sudden (and relative) flexibility it's worth noting that we've yet to hear a peep about Martinez ending up in the bullpen even though he's smaller than the average starter prospect. I don't enjoy living in a universe where it's worth praising a team for not messing with a guy who has 22 strikeouts and five walks in 17 innings with a GO:AO rate of 2.4, but such is life for barely-six-feet-tall, sub-200 pound pitchers with live arms.
- I really enjoyed Derrick Goold's article yesterday about the "Lost Boys" of the Memphis Redbirds, not least because I had no idea that Bryan Anderson's last remaining supporter around the Cardinals organization is Mike Matheny, of all people. Anderson's had a poor start to 2011, and it's hard to blame them for going with Tony Cruz when it came time to choose a third catcher, but it's rough to go so quickly from an actual prospect to sharing time at catcher in AAA. I was never a big fan of Anderson when he was a prospect, but he seemed to go from overrated to not rated at all in a hurry.
- Incoming pitching debut alert: The Cardinals will get the first shot at Rockies prospect Juan Nicasio this weekend. So far as I can tell he is one of the few pitching prospects who can be so easily compared to David Freese, though I don't know anything about his ankles; Nicasio has posted outstanding strikeout and walk rates all through the minor leagues, but because of some extremely conservative promotion from the Rockies—he's played a level a year between the rookie-level Pioneer League in 2007 and the AA Texas League in 2011—all of that is suspicious, because he's always been old for his level. I'm sure there are explanations for that kind of promotion schedule, but with a mid-90s fastball this isn't exactly Pitching Pete Kozma the Rockies were looking at.
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Seriously, this isn’t funny anymore…..Alright I’m telling Mom that you are trying to scare me. You are gonna be in trouble.
"I don't trust anybody in the media, and I don't listen to them."
—Albert Pujols
tattle *tale*
getitrite
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 27, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson's poor start may show a need for a change of scenery
This is his fourth season at Memphis. And now he was relegated to part time play, with Cruz getting more at bats. The guy has to be pretty bummed out. i don’t understand why the Cardinals didn’t trade him awhile ago if they were never going to use him. This offseason, for example.
His stats at Memphis were decent last year, and some teams might like a lefthanded hitting backup catacher.
but he has all that delicious memphis bbq
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Maybe that's part of the problem
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
never
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean maybe he's eating too much of it
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Are you implying he is physically addicted to Rendevous and is now tanking on purpose so they won't call him up to Saint Louis and leave his sweet, precious smoked pork behind?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Could you leave that behind?
He can’t get enough of that smoky stuff!
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
We need to take him to Pappy's next time he's in town.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
He could order it through the mail!
Just wouldn’t be the same though :(
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by jd is legend on May 27, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Has Jess Todd throw in Memphis yet?
I have no idea what to expect from him.
yeah I think he's thrown twice
first time round he gave up a couple of ER and a homer, I think. IIRC he throw 2 innings second time round with a few Ks. Jury’s still out, really, on what we’re gonna get from him…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
clogging the bases sighting
“I’m still walking too many guys,” said Westbrook, who owns 27 strikeouts and 26 walks in 54 innings. Westbrook walked only 24 against 55 strikeouts in 12 starts with the Cardinals last summer. The walk total is easily the highest on staff and was tied for fifth in the league at the conclusion of the team’s series in San Diego. “That creates opportunities to clog the bases. I’ve got to do a better job of that. There’s always room for improvement.”
Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
Good to see Westbrook understands the concept correctly
That is, clogging the bases is good for offense, bad for pitching and defense.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
He's always seemed a fairly intelligent fellow.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Dusty reading this would be confused
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
IMAGINE THE PICKOFFS!!!!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
jr goold left out mark hamilton
who now has a career triple A line of .313 / .404 / .568. you don’t suppose the cards are keeping him around just in case . . . . . ???
no.
Matt Adams is our “just in case guy.”
by rumors on May 27, 2011 9:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From the Safe Auto commercials?
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Adams' defense....
…apparently needs a lot of work before he can be the “just in case” guy; otherwise, he’s likely just a DH prospect. I suspect that Allen Craig would get a long look at first, especially since he played the position a lot at Memphis for two seasons and it would hide his weak arm.
I thought it was Allen Craig
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
Nope, Stavinoha.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks for screwing up my day
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I suppose it shouldn't have been a surprise
that there is no great love amongst VEBers for Mark Hamilton.
Or that even when called up he would not get much of a chance to impress.
The former because the first few times I saw him bat I fell in love. I thought then (and have no reason yet to abandon the idea) that he could be another Ike Davis in the making. And I always seem to have at least one fizzle love affair per year.
The latter because Albert will get 600 ABs even if he continues to put up middle of the pack 1stbaseman production
I like Hamilton. I think he should probably be in Memphis and hitting everyday.
But, he was a nice bench bat. I don’t think anyone here has a dislike for him. They were booing Stavinoha. I think we can all agree Stavinoha is not the best option for the 25-man roster.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
at least hamilton can take a walk
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 27, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to imagine that a straight platoon of Hamilton/Craig couldn't
match if not exceed what Albert has put up so far.
Also, Andrew Brown is hitting quite a bit better at Memphis than Adams is at Springfield (.454wOBA* to .419). Someone might be able to teach Brown to stand at 1B.
by Willie McGee's Twin on May 27, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think my order of preference is Craig>Adams>Matt Carpenter>Brown>Hamilton
Brown’s wOBA seems a little BABIP dependent.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
Are we excluding a potential Puma signing?
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
how long would a contract have to be to keep Puma?
3-4 years might be appropriate
but then again, it might be 12-15M/year to keep him.
I guess he could be looked at like Vlad was this year even though vlad had a good 2011 and still get a one year deal.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
2/22
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 27, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I could live with that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I thought something like that
and, like Forsch, I could live with it.
Let Jay/Craig run the RF (pretty sure that’s an above-average RF overall), and spend the rest of the cash on a starter and a middle infielder.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck a starter
we’re good there. gimme jose reyes
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
I dunno.
Nothing says that we’ll get Waino back when everybody thinks we will. That’s just the optimum time frame. And I really don’t want to go into next year with Kmac being the main 5th starter option. We still don’t know what they’ll do with Carp. As much as I’d like Reyes, there was some dude on MLB network saying that 80-90mil wasn’t outta the ballpark for Reyes. Do we really want to throw another log on the fire that is that big?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
lynn will be ready by next year
so assuming waino and carp are both around, there will be 7 pitchers to compete for 5 spots
and i don’t think reyes gets 90 million 5/65-70 is the most i see him getting an i’d pay that for him. i still think missing all of ’09 hurt his reputation alot
i guess if he hits 20 HRs, bats .320 and swipes 60 bags this year, that could change
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
In your scenario
I can buy into it. I guess the real question would be, do we trade for Reyes and start negotiations early?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
carp is a starter
and he is not under contract next year.
So what you’re saying is…. you want us to sign a starter, right (specifically Carpenter)?
I’d pay 5/65 for Reyes, yep, but I think he’ll get more than that and that’d be my upper limit (actually something like 4/55 would be better), but all that said, I’d rather have JJ Hardy or Raffy Furcal for like 1 year / 8m or less.
Also, bear in mind that if we re-up Berkman (10m+ I guess), retain Carpenter (who’ll probably cost upwards of 12m, even if we give him 2 years, if he pitches healthily the rest of the way), with arby raises, EVEN IF we let Pujols go, we’re going to have to expand the payroll to be able to afford Reyes. Losing Pujols, Franklin, Schumaker, Carp and Berkman saves us about $44m. We’re probably paying a good $10-12m or so in arby/contract increases (Molina, Waino, Colby, KMac), and Carp + Berkman probably costs nigh on $25m. That leaves us less than $10m to sign a shortstop and a couple of left-handed relievers.
So – what I’m saying is, sign me up for Berkman, Mark Buehrle, maybe JJ Hardy, and a decent lefty bullpen guy.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And FWIW I really only want Lance Lynn as our 6th starter going forwards
he’s probably alright for 20 starts a season but I wouldn’t want him beginning the year as our 5th starter (and I realise you don’t either as you’re pulling for a Carp return, which I could also dig if it’s for $12m or less)
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by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll have to rework his option into
a short contract for me to feel good about Carp. I really don’t want to pay him that much if at all possible. I’m fine with a couple of more years. Are we totally discounting Drew, or will he cost too much do you think?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
JD or Stephen
I’d actually be OK for making a play at JD over the winter, if he’s relatively cheap, and moving Craig to 1B, but I don’t think it’s the best fit.
Everyone here seems to over-rate Stephen Drew IMO. He’s OK but has been pretty inconsistent both on offense and defense in his career. I’m not sure he’d be worth the asking price, tbh, but again I can see the argument.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems incredibly premature to rank Adams ahead of Hamilton and Carpenter.
http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz
Adams is much younger than Hamilton that's my reasoning here
Including Carpenter might have been a poor choice considering his plus glove at third, so the chance of him getting a look at first is slim to none.
THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the entire time."
@Codeeg
I'm a massive fan of platoons in general, when you don't want to spend much money on a position and you have limited but competent in-house options
I think Hamilton/Craig could be a 2 WAR first base platoon, with a prevailing wind, which means we shouldn’t go after ANY 1B options other than Pujols, and maybe Berkman next year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I would lean more towards
“there’s very little market for him” over “he’s our Albert Pujols backup plan”.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
he gets a little love
from kevin goldstein today:
Mark Hamilton, 1B, Cardinals (Triple-A Memphis): 4-for-5, 2B, HR (2), 2 R, 3 RBI. Yes he’s nearly 27 years old and yes there’s no room for him in St. Louis, but he can hit; .381/.513/.571 in 18 games.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14058
by lboros on May 27, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How much clout would he have in a trade would ya think?
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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
But does he have any actual trade value?
Would the Padres consider him as the top player in a package for Heath Bell? They’re in need of a 1B it would seem.
Would the A’s or M’s part with a veteran to trade for Mark Hamilton?
That’s really the question, and I don’t know that we have a definitive answer other than that 25-27 year olds raking in AAA has never really been much of a selling point. The team hasn’t put him out there on the block that we know of.
His ceiling is Ryan Klesko, and that’s a pretty significant upside, but Klesko was putting up Mark Hamilton AAA numbers in the big leagues at age 27.
If he has any value, I’d like to see him dealt for starting pitching or bullpen help (although dealing for starting pitching would probably help the bullpen by moving someone there from the rotation)
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Anthony Rizzo is waiting in the wings for Padres 1B. I'm surprised he's not already up.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
he probably doesn't have trade value
because of his age and his defensive limitations. klesko is probably a pretty good comp; BP’s list of similars includes Kent Hrbek and John Olerud, along w/ some lesser lights such as Kevin Maas and Wayne Gross.
i just can’t figure out why the cards would expend a 40-man spot on this guy if he’s not considered some form of insurance for pujols. what other value could he possibly have to this organization that would make them spend a 40-man spot on him?
I totally agree with this:
i just can’t figure out why the cards would expend a 40-man spot on this guy if he’s not considered some form of insurance for pujols. what other value could he possibly have to this organization that would make them spend a 40-man spot on him?
I think there was quite a bit of discussion around here when he was placed on the 40 man regarding these exact questions, but I don’t have time to find it.
I could see Hrbek, but I don’t see him hitting for average like Olerud did in the big leagues (and there’s no way he’s that good defensively) — I see him more as a 3TO type player who kills RHP and struggles against LHP and plays average defense at 1B. That’s why I like the Klesko comp the best in terms of picking a comparative player for his ceiling.
Personally? I think he’s a AAAA player — kills AAA pitching but just can’t make the adjustment to the big leagues. We shall see at some point, I just hope it’s not after Pujols leaves and we install him as the starter at 1B next year.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i think he can make the adjustment
given enough at-bats -— but i agree w/ you, it would probably be best if he gets those at-bats w/ some other team.
i mean, they've got a lot of dudes they don't really need on the 40 man
until recently, Blake King had a 40 man spot. Francisco Samuel has one. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
I kind of agree with this
I think the reason is two-fold:
- We have a lot of really young talent in our system that currently doesn’t need 40 man protection.
- Certain guys have a lot of upside and are making progress but need to be protected because they have value to other clubs.
Francisco Samuel fits this narrative pretty well. Tremendous stuff, terrible command. But guys like that have great value to other clubs, so they need protection on the 40 man over a guy like, well, Blake King. I kinda have to agree with you on him.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
sure
but keeping Mark Hamilton on the 40 man isn’t some indicator of him being Pujols insurance. We saw that the organization would bring him up as a bench bat and there are plenty of guys on the forty man who don’t even have that kind of value to the team.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
I'd have said King and Samuel are two of the most similar players i can think of in our system the last few years
so perhaps not the best example for differentiation! Both high-K, decent stuff, FB/slider guys with horrible walkrates….
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by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
They look similar on paper....
and then you watch them pitch. Samuel has really ridiculous stuff. His fastball moves all over the place in the mid-90’s and his slider has hard, late break. When watching him pitch, I feel like his stuff is so good he has trouble throwing it where he wants it because he can’t control the movement — especially on the fastball.
King looks like the pre-Crash version of Nuke LaLoosh. I’m surprised he hasn’t hit a mascot yet — it literally looks like he doesn’t know where the ball is going when he throws it. He throws a little harder than Samuel does, but his slider isn’t as good, and his fastball is hittable, which explains all the homers he’s given up the last couple of years.
Of the two, Samuel is the guy with the better scouting reports. But I don’t know that either will ever fully get it together enough to make a contribution to the Cardinals.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yeah I agree on the last point
I don’t think Samuel has a major league future. Also agree he’s probably got more upside than King if he does get it together. That said, from what I’ve seen and read, King’s slider is elite, potentially. I don’t think either of them amount to anything, though. I can’t think of an example of a minor league player with control and walkrates quite THAT bad who’s got them under control enough to succeed in the majors. Even with a Carlos Marmol-esque K rate (which it’s not certain either could ever manage) you need to walk fewer than 6 per 9 to have any sort of MLB success (and even 5 per 9 is probably pushing it), and neither of those guys have looked like doing so in the minors.
It’s also of note that Samuel turns 25 this year. I think he’s left it too late to learn some control, personally.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 28, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
interesting discussion about Samuel and King
but irrelevant to the Mark Hamilton discussion
Samuel and King are relief pitchers, and major league teams nowadays carry 7 or 8 relievers. so it was easy to imagine them playing a worthwhile role on the 25-man roster -- they might have value to the team as the 6th or 7th guy in the pen, even if only for 1/2 or 1/4 of a season. you can almost always find a spot on the 25-man for a decent reliever, because reinforcements are continuously needed due to injury and/or ineffectiveness.
that’s why they got a 40-man slot in the first place -- because it was easy to envision how they might add value to the 25-man roster. but there’s only one way for a first-base-only slugger to add value to the 25-man, and that’s as the regular first baseman -- or, in the AL, as a 1B/DH. off the top of my head the only 1B-only player on an active national league roster who is NOT the starter is Jason Giambi in Colorado -- and he’s backing up a 37-year-old starter.
the only way Mark Hamilton adds value to the 25-man roster in St. Louis is if he becomes the regular or semi-regular first baseman some day. that’s it; otherwise he is completely useless to them. and teams just don’t waste 40-man roster spots on completely useless players.
They do if those players would otherwise be exposed to the Rule 5
not sure if that’s the case with Hamilton (haven’t been following the rest of this thread especially), but there is a clear value in keeping hold of a player who would probably be picked up by another team and who has, at least, produced “interesting numbers” at AAA, despite his advanced age.
I can understand keeping hold of a guy like that for “unforeseen circumstances” and to protect him from the rule V.
And – slight digression, I also think that, before Jon Jay established himself (people forget he was only really considered a very marginal prospect coming into last year) there was scope for Hamilton off the bench as a lefty bat/occasional 1B/LF sub; indeed, last year, during the periods when Nick Stavinoha was receiving playing time, it would’ve made more sense (IMO) to have Hamilton on the 40 then.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, exactly
Hamilton would have been Rule V eligible this offseason had he not been placed on the 40 man roster. He was signed as a 22 year old and has been in the organization for 5 years (2006-2010).
As far as I’m concerned, the club must see him as a trade commodity of some sort because, as lboros points out, he’s a pretty worthless player on the 40 man for this team in particular. What with multiple guys (Pujols, Berkman, Craig) filling the hole he would potentially fill, even without the “Jon Jay Establishment” (which would be a great title for a prog rock band full of law clerks, btw) it seems silly to have him on there except that some team would likely have drafted him in the Rule V.
Actually, I would guess that the emergence of guys like Adams and Matt Carpenter’s success hitting at AAA would make Hamilton much less valuable than he would have been before the season, imo.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'll bet those xkcd stick figures have never played the game
let alone played the game the right way.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 27, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Can the one on the right play second?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on May 27, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
their right or our right?
Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
by all4tookie on May 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't know why but this cracked me up.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on May 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't be a downgrade from Skip
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by jd is legend on May 27, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Danny Mac's going BigTime on us.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
YOU THINK DAN MCLAUGHLIN ISN'T GOING TO GET NATIONAL ASSIGNMENTS??
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
It's more a byproduct of his inability to walk down three flights of stairs to leave the stadium.
He sleeps underneath the roast beef carving station in the Redbird Club now.. It’s getting ridiculous.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on May 27, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Apparently they leave the light on at the carving station.
Because he is approaching whatever hue of orange that Jack Clark sports.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Does he go up that huge escalator every night?
It would kind of freak me out if all the lights were off and nobody was around. Maybe he got used to it.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
(the game is in Denver)
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by jd is legend on May 27, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
(he sleeps under the rockie mountain oyster buffet table, then.)
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on May 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
okay, I have to go bleach my brain now.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Full recovery!
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by jd is legend on May 27, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am def starting to think those aint real oysters yo
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
how cool would it be to have a charlton heston moment
and break into a restaurant yelling “BALLS! ROCKY MOUNTAIN OYSTERS ARE MADE FROM BALLS!” cathartic, i’d say.
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by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Awesome
“YOU MANIACS! YOU ATE THEM UP! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!”
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 27, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
IF YOU WANT TO EAT MY GENITALS
YOU’LL HAVE TO PRY THEM FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
There aren't enough recs in the world for this.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you haven't even seen Tejada
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This sub-thread should be sealed in some sort of time capsule for future generations to marvel at.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes it is Horton and Al and no Danny Mac.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
and this is very unfortunate
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
every combination is pretty unfortunate.
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
by nomar34 on May 27, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
actually, I wouldn't mind Dan by himself.
Just let him call the game without all the extraneous crap.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Dan and Rick aren't as bad.
At least they allow a few seconds of silence, unlike Al who just does not shut up.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
very true
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
his ironic silences when they say something boneheaded are epic.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 27, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to talk when you're biting your tongue.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome, more Cards baseball I can see
as long as they don’t put some damn local game on.
Guess who also gets to watch it?
People in Italy! Except I’ll be in Florence so I won’t be watching it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Matt the wine guy.
Holliday launches wine for charity.
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...does that article actually say what it's called?
what, does it have fetus on the label
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 27, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's a better article.
Complete with label picture.
It looks like it will be called “Holliday”.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
catchy....so to speak.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
It's tax deductible!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
it is?
What a great idea! {that doesn’t make it free}
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
True
but at least you get a little bit more than a hangover in return.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not usually one to get all snobby about aesthetics and photoshopping and all
(Actually maybe I am and just don’t realize it, I dunno) but this label hurts my eyes a little.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
It looks like a rejected Fleer campaign from 1994.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Rare aged treasure map finish.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Fleer ULTRA Foil
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Crinkled foil.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmie Foxx pitched 22 innings when he was 37 years old and had a 243 ERA+? How did I not know this?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Dude is versatile.
First he channeled Ray Charles, now this?
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It's crazy how many people got their big break on that show In Living Color
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
14 BB to 10 K get you a 243 ERA+?
Ah, 1945…a year when Snuffy Stirnweiss was your WAR leader…
BTW, thanks for getting your rejected jingle stuck in my head this morning. Thank god I have my own office.
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
helps a lot to have 0 HRs
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
should I drop dish and just get MLB.TV.COM?
We’ve been thinking about cancel or tv service. Wife mainly watches netflix. I mainly watch Cardinals baseball. I’m in the st. louis area, so all the cardinal games would be blacked out.
Why do you do that to people MLB? Just get rid of the stupid blackout rules.
Anyway, Anyone else do this?
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
You don't have weather problems?
I got tired of the 2 or 3 times a year when show or heavy rain would kill my picture. Of course, I have a 2 story house and the dish was on the roof.
i sometimes lose signal during having rain.
but that’s the price you pay for not having to deal with charter.
"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.
you're fighting the good fight
charter is the worst telecommunications entity i’ve ever dealt with. they’re deplorable.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Infinite this.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear that
I have had service since Nov and have yet to get a bill. Our service keeps getting cut off than we call about how we still don’t have a bill.
by FlimtotheFlam on May 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
everybody thinks their cable provider is the worst, but I’ve lived in maybe 4 or 5 places and had as many different cable providers, and Charter is still the very worst.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
completely agree
playing the “my so-and-so provider sucks because” game is very popular, but after leaving st. louis my first bout of culture shock was the realization that i would not have to struggle through hours of negotiations and red tape to have my service set up at my new residence (the sales rep met me in my hotel lobby, handed me a device and i was ready to go) nor would i have to deal with constant interruptions in service.
why st. louisans aren’t approaching the walls of charter with torches and pitchforks is beyond me. you’re the freaking customers, people!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
AT&T Uverse is making a strong challenge. I’ve had both and they both suck
"I don't trust anybody in the media, and I don't listen to them."
—Albert Pujols
I am not going to say this is wrong because of the overwhelming amount of anecdotal evidence supporting it.
However, I will say that I must be the only Charter customer who has not experienced horrible problems with them which bored a pit of hate-filled darkness into my soul and caused me to challenge my long-held beliefs about mankind as an ethical being.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Your cable and internet just went down.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
THOSE BASTARDS I WISH THEY WOULD ALL DIE
Oh wait
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Maybe just your cable.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I am suffering from the same dilemma
You would think you could buy your way out of the blackout rules. . .
Although, now thatI think of it, maybe MLB’s carriage agreements with the cable companies / DirectTv prohibit that. Hmmmmm/ / /
by SouthsideCardsFan on May 27, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
There are ways around the blackout rules on MLB.tv you know...
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
there are
and blackouts apply for EI also.
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So, who do I have to kill to make this work?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: So I'm prepared to blow $40-60 on a single malt today
any suggestions? I’m still a novice for the most part, so I was thinking of just going with a simple McCallan 12.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Name 3 cheaper scotches you like and I'll give you 3 to shoot for in that price range.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
I'm truly a novice, I've never bought a bottle
just had some at bars, mostly really common stuff. Glen Livet, Glenfiddich, Talisker, McCallan – of those I probably like the McCallan best. Had some Laphroaig too and found it a bit more peaty (is that the term?) than I would like.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Gotcha
The Macallan 12, as you noted, is a really nice everyday scotch.
The Bowmore double wood that RollBirdsRoll pointed out is good. It’s very mellow stuff as far as scotch goes.
If you want to try to get into the Islays (the more peaty kind), The Bowmore 12 is really nice and not nearly so harsh has the Laphroaig. Ditto for Oban.
It’s really a matter of preference. I like your idea of tasting through the bar’s list an going with what you like.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
oh, and if you find Signatory's "vintage" series, they're good and inexpensive.
I love the Orkney.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
Oban is a West Highland, not an Islay
Just to be accurate.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
True that! Still, I think it's a good entry-point into the Islay flavors.
Have you tried a Jura?
Have you been to the mustard museum?
I've had Isle of Jura 16 but it's been a while.
As I recall it was very sweet, and very earthy.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Oban does have the hints of peat and phenols of the islays
but nowhere the extent of Lagavulin or Ardbeg or Laphroaig, with the sweetness of the highlands. It’s one of my absolute favorites.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
One of these days I'm going to go on a real bender
trying all these.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Scotch scotch scotch, I love scotch.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me get some drinking money saved up first.
They don’t give that stuff away.
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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that may have different connotations to our VEB United Kingdom audience....
(snicker….)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i can only imagine.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I already had to bleach my brain once thanks to fritz.
Will not do it twice in one day.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a pretty fair scotch cabinet, thanks to a cousin who lives in London.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is something of a tangent and not really related to your post per se...
as a born Scotsman, one of the things that always annoys me is Americans (or indeed anyone, really) referring to anything other than the whiskey, the eggs, or the mist as “scotch”. If it’s none of the above, it’s “scottish”.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that kind of annoys me as well.
Even though I catch myself doing the same thing.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Laphroaig is definitely peaty...LOL
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's pretty intense, especially if you're not exactly a Scotch expert (like me)
I do like it though.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
It's probably the "harshest" of the Islays..
My favorite is Lagavulin 16 or Ardbeg Corryvecken. Peaty smoky goodness.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Laphroaig is a damn fine scotch
especially the 18 yr old.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CorryV is a little smokier and phenolic than Lagi...if you're an islay fan,
and want something that’ll put hair on your balls, if you ever find it, try a glass of this. A small glass. It was INTENSE…Like an islay wrapped in an islay while being infused with pure essence of islay topped with peat sauce fermented in islay.
Ardbeg Supernova
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind paying a ton for a good bottle of spirits.
They last me quite a while.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
Not really. It's delicious but almost too rich
The original bottling is also damn nigh impossible to get.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
just give me a 30-pack of Busch Light
I’ve got diapers to buy
by STLRegalia on May 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was lucky enough to have a cousin living in London
who worked at Royal Mile Whiskies.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Whiskey or scotch?
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Got it.
All scotch is whiskey but not all whiskey is scotch.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, although I do need
a good rye whiskey for manhattans too.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
Amen
Love Manhattans. Though, you don’t really need a good one, just a good enough one.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
jim beam is a good enough base for me
i usually end up spending more on the vermouth
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim Beam is what my dad usually buys, which means it's what I usually use to make Manhattans
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
God. Worst alcoholic beverage ever produced.
Followed closely by Jack Daniels.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
evan williams
give it a try and redact your previous statement.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Still better than Jim Beam.
But no arguments its in the trinity of crap.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a whole new level of crap
you basically have to redefine your understanding of crap once you’ve tasted the devil that is evan williams. it’s the fourth dimension of crappy beverages. the rosetta stone of crap excavators from future generations hoping to discover what level of crap this species could endure in its digestive system. jim beam and jack daniels were libraries of crap and then evan williams came along and was like the internet of crap. it changed how we use crap and made the exchange of crap much more efficient.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Where exactly would you put Southern Comfort then?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
would you like to have a beverage that tastes like lead?
only it makes you feel much more ill than if you were to simply eat the chipped paint from your windowsill? southern comfort is for you!
i guess i would classify soco as “further reading” in the crap whiskey/bourbon discussion.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
heh. I figured as much.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
SoCo is pretty gross
It’s like cough syrup or cold medicine, only I feel worse after drinking it.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I can't drink it straight. No effing way.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Tangential question
The only whiskey which I know for sure is a “Tennesee” style whiskey is Jack Daniels. I’m guessing this is merely ignorance, but for all I know they have a patent or something weird like that. Does Tennessee whiskey have the level of quality and complexity of other American whiskeys? Does anybody know a good one they might recommend if I were ever interested in trying one?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Tennessee Whiskey can only be produced in Tennessee.
By law.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I figured as much
but I just haven’t heard of any other kind but Jack Daniels. There has to be more out there, right?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Maker's Mark.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
American whiskey, that is.
Not Tennessee.
Tennessee Whiskeys are JD, George Dickel, and something else…
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah ha!
Are any of them good?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
JD and GD taste the same to me, nowhere near as flavorful and pleasant to drink as the "internationals"..
Which would make sense, I guess, since they use the same process. The third one that I can’t remember uses a different process, so it may taste different.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Upon further research...
Benjamin Prichards is the other one.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That's just bourbon, isn't it?
I don’t care where things come from, I know there are technicalities involved. I just mean the actual style and specifics of production.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Tennessee whiskey is made from essentially the same ingredients as bourbon...
with the extra step of being “charcoal mellowed”…which is a fancy way o saying it’s so shitty to start with the only way to make it remotely drinkable is to filter it thru charcoal.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
BLASPHEMY!
Maker’s Mark is Kentucky bourbon, and should never be mentioned in the same sentence with Jack Daniels. Ever.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
heh, you guys with your whiskeys bought in "stores" with "labels" and "laws."
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I'll get you Beer Baron!
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no you won't!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on May 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I will!
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What proof is Fritz's Toilet Tank Surprise?
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I do want to start moonshining.
Infusing store bought stuff is fun, but I want to take this a step further.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
i hope you have fairly attractive relatives
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I know some people who could help you.
But they work in cash and assumed names.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Here's a starting point.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I know some boys that do or did.
I think he got alcohol poisoning and had to get away from it completely.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Always been more of a Sterno man, myself.
Mmmmmm. Sterno.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Fritz's zany schemes as much as the next guy
But it seems like the writers started using them as the go-to episode template after a while and it started to really annoy me.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm thinking about teaching a class on marriage at my local night school!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Something something House is too formulaic, something.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I guess it beats another whiny episode about your precocious daughter.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
you don't win friends with salad, bobo.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I have two words for you.
Kentucky Gentleman. Seriously the worst beverage, alcoholic or nonalcoholic on the planet.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
This is most likely true.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
I nominate Scoresby Scotch
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
OK matty, let me explain this to you.
Kentucky Gentlemen, on the label says something like this, “Made from 51% fine kentucky burboun and 49% of the finest grain alcohol”.
Seriously, it is a mix of shitty burboun and grain alcohol.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Oh, ew
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Yeah, we all
went fishing to Reelfoot lake last spring. We made a rule that noone could bring beer that cost more than $7 per 12 pack. So, after drinking Stroh’s, Beer30, and High Life Lite all day long, one of the guys broke out a bottle of Kentucky Gentleman. It took 7 of us 2 days to get half that bottle choked down, and the rest was poured in the yard.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
It was originally developed as a weed killer
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Kentucky Gentleman, Monsanto Distilleries, Ashland KY
Please spray drink responsibly.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
by TBender on May 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The yard.
It had no choice in the matter.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
NICE.
Stuff that isn’t measured in Proof, but in Octane.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Nothing poured into a snifter could be that bad, right?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Scoresby "Extra Rare"
I’m sorry, but ANYTHING that comes in a plastic bottle at 24.00 for a handle is not rare…I do have to say it’s the worst scotch flavored monstrosity on earth. I’ll stop shy of calling it actual scotch.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you misspelled Ole Mizzou Whiskey
"I don't trust anybody in the media, and I don't listen to them."
—Albert Pujols
Jim Beam rye is the worst alcoholic beverage ever produced?
Seriously?
Besides, we’re talking about affordable Manhattan ingredients here. Nobody is ordering that stuff neat at a classy restaurant before dinner or something.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
That's kinda my take on it.
I mix SoCo in lemonade. Sure as hell wouldn’t do that with a 30 dollar bottle.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of lemonade...
What’s the story on this MGD64 Lemonade?
I don’t get it. Is it like a beer version of an Arnold Palmer?
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
?
not a clue.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Never heard of it
But it sounds like a low-carp tasteless version of a Radler.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Heh. Low-carp? Too much baseball lately.
I meant low-carb. MGD64 is one of those low-carb beers, right?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Instead of yelling at you, it just mumbles?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Also speaking of lemonade...
Why on earth do they not have lemon soda in the US?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
British influence
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
All of our lemon sodas are limey.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
by mattybobo on May 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
that's racist...or something
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Go to a hispanic grocer.
Every flavor of soda you could possibly imagine.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
And Fanta is actually delicious.
Unlike the terrible American version.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll have to look for those.
We should have some in South Carolina.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
i miss vess soda
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Red Baron Fanpost Chat all about soda we had probably (I'm guessing) about 18 months ago
was one of my all-time favourite front page post convos on VEB.
You basically don’t get much “quality” soda in the UK, but I got completely addicted to Boylan’s Birch Beer on my couple of visits to the Philly area. I guess there’s about a pound of sugar in each bottle but it’s delicious stuff.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
But y'all have lemon soda.
So you still win.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Possibly.
I don’t really know what lemon soda is or what the difference is to lemonade? Or is what you call lemonade something different?
OK I just answered my own question on wikipedia. Lemon soda = fizzy, lemonade = not. I didn’t realise you couldn’t get lemon soda easily in the US! I guess sprite is kinda similar isnt it?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you can pretty easily.
At least in NYC. This could be an outlier though.
Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.
The Balvenie DoubleWood 12.
McCallan 12 is also a good choice.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
maybe I’ll go the bar (later, I swear, not at noon) and try this one to see how it compares before I buy a bottle.
My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red
That's a great idea...
single malts are very much a matter of personal tastes. I love islays, but have scotch drinking friends who hate them.
Balvenie is a Speyside, BTW.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Arran is tasty.
Doesn’t quite have the brand recognition as some of the others out there, but very drinkable.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Arran 10, to be specific.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Macallan 12 is a can't-miss
somewhat similar, but a little cheaper and also very good is the Highland Park 12, which I just tried last week.
Highland Park is a very good bottle on a budget.
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
OT of your OT:
saw a commercial for Kraken Rum. Is this the drink of choice for Allen Craig? is any type of photoshop possible?
(sorry if this has been discussed in detail in the past)
by STLRegalia on May 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Put a beast in your belly?
Who are the marketing geniuses that came up with that one?
by SouthsideCardsFan on May 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
also arnold schwarzenegger's pick-up line
/golfswing
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"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
My dad loves this stuff.
It’s… umm… well, it’s good at what it’s trying to do, which is not necessarily to everyone’s tastes.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
I feel obliged to try it
maybe even make my own drink using it and call it the “Allen” or the “Milk box” or the “Craigen”
by STLRegalia on May 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
put it on the list for The 13th Pitcher
and/or Viva El Bar
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought it was decent...
but very odd
by RollBirdsRoll on May 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this college kid who chugged an entire bottle of Kraken
Then stayed up all night, took two tests the next “day”, than dropped acid that night. College is insane.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not in college
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 27, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
who was it who used to do all the awesome photoshops?
haven’t seen any for a while. That definitely needs to make a comeback.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
vexed was the photoshop bitch when I first got here.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, that's it. Temporary mental block.
GET TO IT, VEXED!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i know im late getting here but The Balvenie 15 is great at that price
the best scotch i have ever had, however, is the Balvenie 21
yeah, well, that's just like, my opinion, man
So why did we go cheer for the Marlins last night?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Roger Dean Project.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What's that for those of us in Italy and out of the loop?
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"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on May 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see that now.
I want to do it again! Also I think there are other teams with sparse game threads we could use. Also we should do this all the time. Okay maybe not, I just like making new internet friends.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on May 27, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
there will be another.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 27, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But it's so far away!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on May 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
june 6th
is the next date i think.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
A new team each off day perhaps?
RDP was tremendously exciting and very entertaining. I wonder if other teams would be as welcoming as FS.
"I don't trust anybody in the media, and I don't listen to them."
—Albert Pujols
If they don't have a lot of activity my guess would be probably.
But we may have to scout out the atmosphere first.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on May 27, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to do it at LL just to watch them freak out.
And if we’re legitimately cheering, it’s not trolling.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They scare me over there.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on May 27, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd have to go enmasse.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you beat them up if they made me cry?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on May 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
they are probably more scared of you
than you are of them.
"I don't trust anybody in the media, and I don't listen to them."
—Albert Pujols
by Hootie Who on May 27, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep. Girls=cooties
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure we could give them a good lashing for such an infraction.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it's pretty hard to control a VEB mob, haha
and it was relatively small given the number @TG
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
could you imagine them
trying to stave off the OT subthreads that occur during our game threads?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
a point to ponder
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/5/26/2191040/chris-carpenter-st-louis-cardinals#68203820
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 27, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we have fun in our delusions.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
....to watch Boog and the Wilsons?
oh boy. forget LL, VEB might not make it
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on May 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
they'd ban half of us for not using proper capitalization/punctuation/etc
seriously
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
I would love to do that
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on May 27, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
Bad idea.
Proud member of the Sports Injury Industrial Complex: We feel your pain and it feels good.
i'm sorry, dave. i'm afraid i can't let you do that.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Open the VEB pod bay doors, Azru.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't planning on it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say all NL Central teams should be off-limits. . .
except for the Pirates. Rooting for the Buccos against the Reds or Brewers could be fun.
by SouthsideCardsFan on May 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Still puttin' up a zero against the baby bears.
although, that’s kind of like being the league champ at putt-putt.
three hours better spent sipping coffee at a sidewalk
Cafe and eating biscotti.
"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11
by tom s. on May 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that might entail personal contact
ewwww
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Or sleeping because it was like 9 pm and they exhaust on this trip so last night I went to bed right after dinner.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
by ClemsonGirl on May 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i did it because everybody else was doing it
Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter
by prophetjohn on May 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting info:
the Marlin’s FishStripes front page post today has a grand total of one comment so far.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
...I saw you standing alone...
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it.
Not my fav, but have had much worse.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The beer from the Sandlot Brewery (Blue Moon) at Coors
is ok…nothing I’d go to Coors Field specifically for…it’s not like they play baseball there right?
Fat Tire is ok if that is all that is on the shelf…if I have to pick favs from the recent Colorado Trip they would be Oskar Blues and Odell Brewing.
Great people and their brewery and tap room are awesome.
The recent expansion has them setup nicely. Employees get to brew a small batch custom beer with the brewers for their own weddings…half for their event and the rest is sold in the tap room.
Anyone know if MLB teams are sporting the patriotic hats all this weekend or just on Monday?
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can they wear their patriotic hats
during the national anthem? that’s what i’d like to know.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If they are continuing the tradition of last year...
It looks like Memorial Day, Fourth of July weekend, and 9/11.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
2011 STL version.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
2010 STL version, for comparison.
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like this one better than the 2011 version
This at least calls to mind previous Cardinals hats which have looked kinda like that.
The 2011 one looks like a cheap stadium giveaway. Is the red part in the back made out of mesh?
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
No, it's fabric.
But it has Schnuck’s in 60-point font across the red.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Why do the patriotic hats always have to be hideous?
Aren’t they supposed to honor our country?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
honour
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by Ghostrider520 on May 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I just sent you like 10 messages because Facebook changed their message system and it messes me up.
Sorry.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
They are hideous - that's why the Nationals unis are also so ugly
they should just change their name to “Senators” and go with a blue/gray combo
by peppermartin on May 27, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have the navy blue one
I wear it all the time. I think it looks sharp.
by Hardcore Legend on May 27, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They should leave the labels on
to prove the hat is real.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I'm becoming suspicious that these hats are really that patriotic.
WHERE’S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, HAT?!?!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Man, way to bring politics into it Fritz
I was just making fun of people who are different from me, which is totally cool and innocent.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
it's not political
it’s about restoring honor to the patriotic hat program.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
[Jumps out of helicopter]
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
Yeuch.
That sort of tasteful milinary makes you proud to be American!
I imagine.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
So
Wilson Valdes invented a new pitch
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 5/23/2011):
35 IP, 46 K, 15 BB/HBP, 13 ER, 2 HR, 2.6 FIP
pretty small as it disappears over the left-field upper deck.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
make sure you get it way inside.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I love gyros.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Pete Kozma: Still on the active roster.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
A lot of people miss this or don't know how bad Kozma is.
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on May 27, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Shirt-untuckers
have won 6 in a row.
They have 3 games against the Giants this weekend at home, where they are a silly 19 and 6.
Then it’s off to face the dropping-like-a-stone Redlegs, who probably won’t help our cause.
After that, it’s four away games at our friends at Fishstripes. Help us out, Ichthy-files.
Then it’s back home for 3 against the Scum, then 3 against your hometown favorite Birds.
Summary: Cards better keep winning. Brewers look to keep motoring.
The Fish will worry them...
especially when we join forces to become the St Floridouis Marlinals and unleash our Johnson/Garcia/Sanchez/Carp/Nolasco rotation on their asses.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
rec
St Floridouis Marlinals
That’s priceless.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
VEB’s crushing it today. the road trip to fish stripes did wonders for this blogclub.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on May 27, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
now I have to do memesplanations on 2 different blogs??
and in there somewhere is the All-Sanchez Team
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Pitching, pitching, pitching
If there’s any competitive team in baseball that can’t have a bad pitching injury more than the Cardinals, it’s the Brewers. They have no depth, and no pieces to trade for a starter should they need one.
That said, if they can keep their rotation intact for the next 4 months, they’re going to be in the running for the division.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
it's kind of a bouncing motion, rather than running
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
National TV
Wow, next week Tuesday and Wednesday games are on ESPN, Thursday and Friday are on MLB, Saturday Fox and Sunday TBS. Hooray.
(Gatorfan4life's comment that we ought to be included in the ichthyomancy, I mean)
Have you been to the mustard museum?
Can you imagine if VEB tried to have that points contest?
It’s easy when it’s just Steve and his cousin. Here, we would need some sort of super-human-computing machine.
Perhaps, even, a ROBOT??
Auspicy:
aus·pice (ôsps)
n. pl. aus·pi·ces (ôsp-sz, -sz)
1. also auspices Protection or support; patronage.
2. A sign indicative of future prospects; an omen: Auspices for the venture seemed favorable.
3. Observation of and divination from the actions of birds.
Have you been to the mustard museum?
by a fink on May 27, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, actually we do that
and with googledocs it’s somewhat streamlined.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The last google docs experiment
did not go well, as I remember.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
....what happened
no. no, don’t tell me. I will extrapolate. and not picture it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Checking in from downtown denver.
Wish I had more time to read the wishy talk, but alas.
Anyone have a lineup yet? Is holliday starting yet?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
nothing?
Screw you guys….I’m going to batting practice.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
sonofa....
So, they only open one gate for no here.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
bp
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Gate E i think a opens early as well
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Bailey to DL, Leake activated
keeps getting worse and worse for the Reds.
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
I always wonder how different his career would've been if Mr and Mrs Bailey had called their son "Groundout".
Alas.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal
#Mets’ Wright: “My parents texted me and told me I was their superstar.” #MLB
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
lineup
CardsInsider St. Louis Cardinals
Tonight at Colorado: Theirot 6, Jay 7, Pujols 3, Berkman 9, Craig 4, Rasmus 8, Molina 2, Descalso 5 Westbrook 1
Thank God Albert comes off the DL this series
and the Cardinals get all that additional production. Hard to believe they do so well while he was down.
Just win
by The Duke on May 27, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Considering the July series in Colorado last year...
Let’s jolt some people’s TESS memory. Here. And Here.
If you don’t remember, the Rockies scored 9 MO’FUGGIN’ runs in the 9th inning. 3 off of Dennys ‘I can’t throw strikes, and when I do they are crushed’ Reyes and 6 of off rock solid closer Ryan Franklin who only recorded one out.
The second game we handed newly called up pitcher Evan Maclane the ball in the 9th inning. His first pitch was jacked for a game winning HR.
The third game (not posted here) Ubaldo Jimenez stifled us.
We have unfinished business in Colorado. We knew Franky sucked then, we know he sucks now (collectively, VEB is rather smart).
Yes, I am certain of this.
Sizemore is back!
You know, if you’re into that sort of thing.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on May 27, 2011 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
Sure am!
Loved Saving Private Ryan!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no idea Shelly Duncan was with the Indians now.
Boy, do his numbers look bad. Even for him.
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on May 27, 2011 7:24 PM EDT reply actions
Shelby Miller is destroying the opposition
6 IP
3 H
1 ER
1 BB
11 K
I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.
He is one fascist sonuvabitch.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on May 27, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Two questions for those with minor league cred:
1. About how many pitchers with this much potential are in all of the minors in a given year?
2. Can you roughly estimate what percentage of them reach their potential (top-tier ace)?
Have you been to the mustard museum?
i have no minor league cred, but that has never stopped me
1. he was top 10 in keith law’s preseason rankings, and i can’t imagine he has slipped at all since then, and the only other pitcher he had above him was teheran. so it seems quite likely that shelby is a true top-5 pitching prospect, and considering he is still projected as a top ace, you couldn’t do much better i think.
2. yeah, i got nothing on this one.
I'm completely incredulous...
but here’s a quick and dirty review. He was rated #13 by BA this year.
In 2009, six pitchers were rated 13th or higher and all six are kick ass: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2009/267698.html
In 2008, five pitchers not on the 2009 list were 13th or higher and two are awesome, one is okay, and two are busts
In 2007, four pitchers not on the 2008 or 2009 lists were 13th or higher and two are awesome and two are busts.
So my answer is…
1. 2-4
2. 66%
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
It does
but it depends on what you mean by “top tier ace” too. By this estimation, top tier ace would apply to pitchers who had only 2-3 good years on the big leagues and then totally went to shit for whatever reason. It’s too subjective a term unless you give some type of formula (say, “top tier ace for their entire cost-controlled, pre-free agency status”, which is really what you’d be looking for as a talent evaluator and an organization.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
An pitcher that's an ace for 2-3 years is a pitcher that "made it"...
There scarcely are any pitchers that stay on top for longer than that…
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
If we get three years out of Miller like Kazmir's 05-07
on balance, I think I’d be pretty happy with that. He was pretty much broken after that.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 28, 2011 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at it this way though....
To have real value to an organization with an average payroll you need more than 2-3 seasons as a “bona-fide ace” from pitchers like this one. Unless you have a club built to contend or have a bunch of young players all come up and be great at the same time (much like the Rays of the latter part of this decade), year 1 is the coming out party, year 2 determines whether he can do it again, and year 3 is when you can finally start building a rotation around him as an ace rather than looking for another “ace” to add to your staff.
In terms of value to an organization, a true “ace” should be ace level material for most, if not all, of his cost controlled years.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Every one ranked 13th or higher from 2005 and 06...
was an ace at some point as well (Liriano, Kazmir, Cain, billingsley, Verlander, Felix). These guys don’t miss very often.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
I don't have time to really take a hard look at this, so consider these educated WAG's:
- I’d say there are probably 7-8 pitchers with this much potential in ALL of the minor leagues in any given year.
- Fewer than 40% ever become true top-tier aces. (If you think about it, how many “top tier” aces are there in the MLB today, 10? 15? I think 20 is a stretch…)
Here’s the one caveat I would make for Miller (and I would have made the same caveat for Micheal Pineda at the beginning of the year): He already has great command and two plus pitches (fastball, curve) and is supposedly developing a decent change up. The guys with the great stuff usually have command issues (think Mitch Boggs as as starter) and the guys with the good command usually lack a second plus pitch (think Lance Lynn). To have both of those says a TON about his potential, especially at this age. Just for comparisons sake, here is our last top 10 pitching prospect and the one before that, and here’s Shelby Miller.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I vote August.
I, However, do not get a vote
by Hardcore Legend on May 27, 2011 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Holy hell
I know they want him to get comfortable with his off-speed offerings in all counts, but I really can’t see how keeping him at a level he’s totally dominating for much longer can be that helpful. Springfield here we come….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 27, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
mo mentioned one reason he hasn't been promoted yet
is that they want to do group promotions so that they don’t have strangely constructed rosters, but added the caveat that sometimes players force their hands, implying a promotion might come sooner. i’ll look to see if i can find the video of mo talking about this is. i’m pretty sure it was posted here or at future redbirds a couple weeks back.
Another reason they are keeping him at High-A is because Palm Beach uses a 6-man rotation, meaning more rest between starts.
by Swordslasher on May 27, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought they were running a 5-man this year
in fact I was pretty sure they were…. But then I checked their stats and you are indeed correct. I think I basically forgot about Justin Smith (which is, I guess, quite forgiveable…)
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 28, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
gamethread anyone?
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp
by The Continental on May 27, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you sir
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
"Hunter Pence out at home, catcher Gerald Laird. Three out." STL @ HOU, 4/28/11
by hr on May 27, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So I think Colby Rasmus raised his OPS about thirty points last night.
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
that's not all that was raised!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
His triples count for the year?
(If this is a gamethread reference, I am lost. I wasn’t able to follow last night)
The very symbol, the outward and visible expression of the drive, and push, and rush and struggle of the raging, tearing, booming nineteenth century! -- Mark Twain
I'm a little worried about his lack of HR power this year
although that may just be a bit of an anomaly. If you throw in his 5 triples (which are virtually as valuable as a HR IIRC), which is the same amount as he hit the previous two seasons combined, and his 10 doubles, his ISO isn’t too bad (.160, although that’s down from .222 the year before).
Interesting point – he’s always been more of a power threat with plenty of Ks (even in the minors), and although he’s striking out at around his career rate this year, I wonder if he’s actually going down the route the org seemingly wanted him to in the last two seasons. A lot was made of the disconnect between the Rasmus camp and the TLR/Cards camp on whether he should be swinging for the fences or becoming more of a contact hitting, singles-and-doubles guy with walks. Seems to me at first glance he might actually be doing what the org wanted him to do (reportedly) and actually hitting BETTER because of it.
Sadly (or perhaps happily), however, doesn’t really seem like he’s doing that particularly. Whilst his GB/FB ratio is up slightly (keeping the ball down a bit more), his contact % hasn’t really changed appreciably, and I can’t see any obvious changes in his swinging strike % or his out-of-zone swinging. Although he’s walking a lot more, and hitting more singles and fewer dingers, most of that seems largely attributable to randomness (and a high BABIP), as his approach doesn’t seem any different this year to what it was last year. So I guess I don’t find any evidence for my theory!
Something else to note – if he continues to hit his ZiPS projection for the rest of the year, with solid defence, he’ll be close to a 6 WAR player when all’s said and done. ZiPS has Holliday on pace for a little over 7 WAR (surprisingly, mainly because of the injuries, he’s not quite on pace for his best year ever), Pujols and Berkman both on pace for a little over 5 WAR (if Puma’s defense in the OF so far is pretty much representative, which I guess is questionable), and Yadi on pace for somewhere between 3.5 and 4 WAR. I’m kinda guessing a little bit on the fielding numbers here, mind you. Still, that’s 5 players putting up an average of more than 5 WAR each, and they only need to perform to their projections to do it.
Also notable – despite all the injuries, our third basemen have ALREADY put up over 2 WAR (Freese 1.2 Descalso 0.9), and our second basemen aren’t far off that. Given that all our possible 2B and 3B options are better than replacement (with the possible exception of Greene and Kozma), and we’ve got plenty of choice and flexibility at both spots, both positions look likely to be above-average for the year.
If everyone plays to their projections shortstop will be the only sub-average position on this team by the end of the year.
Oh, and CALL UP MATT CARPENTER PLEASE.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on May 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
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