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Bullpen conversion and the most annoying man in the world

What I dislike the most about Mitchell Boggs's demotion and un-repurposing is that I've spent the last year and a half, now, talking about how great a call it was to move him to the bullpen—how he was the prototypical rotation-to-bullpen guy, even without mentioning the striking similarities between his minor league career and Joe Nathan's. 

To show for all that, I have a serious jump in velocity—the unreal slider from his initial conversion in 2009 never really reached its promised heights—and 87 pretty decent innings out of the bullpen.

I understand the move, I really do. A starter is inherently more valuable than a reliever, and once you see a guy pitch 87 decent Major League innings the causal relationship between his terrible minor league results and his position in the minor league rotation tends to vanish entirely in the emotional calculus of the decision. (You're telling me Kyle McClellan can't start? After we moved him to the bullpen he had an ERA of 3.23! In the Major Leagues!) 

But Boggs himself still strikes me as an ideal candidate for bullpen conversion. For one thing, the current bullpen has two pitchers in it who are far, far worse than he is, and while I'd never campaign for a 13-man staff the current one looks a little more like a 10-manstaff with two position players stowed away in case of a blowout. 

And the Mitchell Boggs the Cardinals spent in pursuit of Closer-Boggs was not exactly brimming with potential. He made 35 starts at AAA Memphis—at 24 and 25, with a full season behind him at each level—and showed off a middling strikeout rate and a walk rate that doesn't go well with a middling strikeout rate. His main skill as a starter is looking like a starter. (The Cardinals will also have to find something to do with Brian Broderickreturned yesterday by the Nationals after a Rule 5 internship, who at 6'6" looks even more like a starter and at 89 mph and five strikeouts per nine in AA looks even more like a reliever.)

(Meanwhile, Adam Ottavino remains in the AAA rotation, so far as I can tell. Ottavino has a bad shoulder, nice strikeout numbers, poor control, a great fastball/slider combo, and an intermittent problem with home runs; he looks even more like reliever than Mitchell Boggs. If I had to fashion a bullpen entirely out of organizational starting pitchers who I wouldn't mind seeing in the bullpen, it would look like this:

LOOGY 1: Raul Valdes
LOOGY 2: P.J. Walters (all screwball-change, all the time)
Middle: David Kopp
Middle: Joe Kelly
Setup: Adam Ottavino
Setup: Maikel Cleto
Closer: Mitchell Boggs (this bullpen was much worse yesterday morning.)

Kelly was a tough call—I almost switched him out for Deryk Hooker—but I'm worried enough about his walk rate and his age to move him into the bullpen in a completely meaningless hypothetical exercise.

Star-divide

Baseball Nation, our—not sister-site, maybe uncle-site?—just put out a power rankings based on each team's most annoying player to other fans. Tony La Russa managed to pilot the Cardinals to a seventh-place finish, but I was surprised to see that Grant Brisbee needed to resort to selecting The Genius for this list when the Cardinals are in possession of Chris Carpenter, who, for me, has gradually become that really cool friend who's great at work and fun to be around but occasionally starts screaming at your waitress or the guy working the counter at Laser Tag. 

I like Chris Carpenter a lot, but to fans of other teams he must just be that annoying 36-year-old man with the zodiac tattoo they sometimes see screaming at the guy working the counter at Laser Tag. 

For my own NL Central list I don't want to use the word "annoying" because that makes it sound like these players have done something to deserve it. Some of them might have, but odds are just as good that I am having a persistent and irrational response to something they do, say, because they really like their wife and kids.

Houston Astros: Bud Norris, who's like that slow, uncoordinated six-year-old at Laser Tag who keeps shooting you, possibly by accident. 

Chicago Cubs: My aggravation during Carlos Zambrano starts has grown stale and kind of receded into the general aggravation I feel when the Cardinals play the Cubs. So far as I can tell, this one is vacant. 

Pittsburgh Pirates: Aramis Ramirez! Kenny Lofton and Ramirez for Jose Hernandez and Bobby Hill? This trade was so obviously terrible that the only reasonable explanation for it is spite, deeply personal spite. Eight years later I don't know what I did to deserve it. 

Milwaukee Brewers: I've got to admit it: I'm just not annoyed by Ryan Braun, and the shirt-untucking thing never bothered me. With those two avenues for irrational response exhausted I have to give this award to Yuniesky Betancourt, who continues to get MLB starting jobs for reasons that will never be apparent to anyone who doesn't have the power to offer him those jobs. 

Cincinnati Reds: Brandon Phillips's turn from legitimately annoying, blind-to-his-own-failings baseball player to the social media equivalent of the late Randy Savage in one of his heel phases causes him to forfeit this one to Johnny Cueto, who broke one of the golden rules of professional wrestling when his dropkick actually injured Jason LaRue

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I'm ok with trying Boggs as a starter, if he fails it's not going to hurt the big league club as much as people think

he’s a reliever! he’ll pitch maybe 40 innings for the rest of the season, we have plenty of guys who can pitch in higher leverage situations. We had franklin as our closer for 2.5 years and now we’re freaking out about bullpen implosions. Keep a cool head folks and take a step back and realize we’re talking about job any starting pitcher can be above average at. Call up Jess Todd and he’d likely be a replacement level pitcher which would be no worse than probably .5 WAR than Boggs.
If he does an awesome job as a starter, we have a guy who can throw 93-97 in the rotation who only needs to be league average to really earn a rotation spot.
BTW, I’m not even saying he’ll stick as a starter, but any extra work/refinement in approach can only be a plus and more than one inning can give him more work to experiment.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

But it's not Boggs to Todd we are talking about.

It’s Boggs to Franklin, PLUS Batista is still in the pen. Replacing Franktista with Boggs and Todd could be worth a win and a half.

http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz

by hazel on May 24, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's little chance that 1.5 win loss is going to happen.

franklin isn’t as bad as he has been (probably a replacement player here on out) and batista has basically hovered around replacement level the past 3 years.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reliever WAR

I’m still don’t feel great about using reliever WAR. Franklin has been worth -0.8 WAR so far. I hope and pray he isn’t that bad, because that is mind-bogglingly terrible. Meanwhile, Batista has been worth -0.1 WAR. There is a good chance that both Batista and Franklin are below replacement level. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that Boggs and Todd could combine for 1 WAR.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

That loss has practically already happened-

the difference between the two groups is already 1.1 WAR. Batista has averaged half a win BELOW replacement level for three years. A 1.5 WAR discrepancy is conservative at this point and it could be the case that the difference is over two or even close to three wins.

http://fuckyeahnouns.com/alex%20fritz

by hazel on May 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

why are we talking about what happened though?

I’m saying with regression Boggs probably will be worth .3 WAR as a reliever for the rest of the season
and with regression, Franklin is maybe 0.0WAR player going forward. Batista maybe will be -.2
So from what i see is a .5 WAR loss with the promotion and continue use of this two.
including what has happened doesn’t make much sense to me though because it’s obviously something that’s not going to change.
Boggs isn’t a 1 WAR RP and franklin and batista aren’t together true level -1 WAR players and it shouldn’t be expected of them to be because of large sample sizes greater than 10-20 IP.
/sorry if i’m explaining stuff you already know, just trying to work out my own thought process on this as well.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

This supposes that their current talent level is the same as it ever was.

To my eye, Boggs has pitched better this season. His talent (via comfort at the MLB level or knowledge of the batters or whatever) seems to have increased. To my eye, Ryan Franklin’s talent has decreased. Franklin has never struck batters out at a high rate as a reliever which leaves him dependent on location and pitch movement. To my eye, neither has been good this season. Honestly, watching Franklin this season reminds me a lot of watching Hoffman last season. Sometimes aging relievers just lose it, especially when they don’t throw hard.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

TV at 6am sucks, but sleep is almost impossible right now for me.

ooh saved by the bell..

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

damn i thought it was on at this time

it was only home improvement.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmm. Malcolm in middle is on

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn, i've seen this episode and it sucks.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok, maybe i'll just make some OJ and toast.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait this isn't twitter?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

aww.. SH**

i blame fang

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

no... wait i mean zoomzoom

yeah, EFFIN ZOOMZOOM.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok, i'll go back into the basement.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait i went to the front page of VEB and this article doesn't exist.

Am i trapped? where am i? how did i get here?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

was this your evel plan danup? to trap me in here?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

*evil

wait spelling doesn’t matter when it’s just me.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

this screenshot will show them i'm not crazy!

http://i.imgur.com/ZT0Cq.png

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I *just* saw this article appear on frontpage 5 minutesago

sbn is weird. but I think you’re even weirder

If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't have to procrastinate anymore.
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by hr on May 24, 2011 8:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

thank you?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

what? No gifs?

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, give me a minute.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

hangonaminute

and as wierd as i feel telling other people to go to sleep cause its an obscene hour and i’ve been steadily drinking myself into a coma. Go to sleep.

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

errr

maybe that last bit is just me.

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, i think I can do it.

also caffeine

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok cool

you studying or something?

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, my sleep schedule is just really messed up

i wish i were studying, then i wouldn’t have to explain how bad my sleep schedule has been since the end of the semester.
wait i can lie!!!
yes i am studying /hehehehehe

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

brutal

fortunately i have to some illegal totally legal sleeping pills to help me when my sleeping pattern gets fucked with.

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmm... if i somehow fall asleep during my awake binge

it’ll probably come to this.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

also

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

more if you're up for it

http://i.imgur.com/zHbZW.gif
http://gifbin.com/bin/052009/1242395236_reverse_backflip.gif
http://23.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvhkvwh5GB1qzf94so1_400.gif

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

win

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was fantastic.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

elaborate

Zach or Slater

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morris spells his name with a "k"

That’s why the band name “Zack Attack” worked.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh dammit.

I was waffling between the two, then spelled it wrong anyway.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So does Zack Cox

Took me a really long time to remember which spelling he used. What finally did it for me was that I started noticing that his name wasn’t linking to his Fangraphs page every time in the daily farm reports at FutureRedbirds.
This comment will be used as evidence in a future hearing over charges that mattybobo was a fell-fledged Birdonista.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

I always liked Zack better personally.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that.

Is that show good?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish i had the ability to stop time.

dude is lucky.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you even saying at this point?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

zack could control time

oh and he had the ability to break the fourth wall.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sleep is a great thing.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps, but i'm only 8 hours away from fixing my sleep schedule!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

But much further from helping me understand what on earth you are saying to me.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

what? I'm just pointing out this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO2SirSH7Rg

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a quirk of Saved by the Bell

Zack Morris could call timeout and everyone else would freeze. He would then break the 4th wall and talk directly to the audience, often making a joke or explaining his plan. He would then call time back in and the world of Saved by the Bell would start up again with no one being the wiser of Zack’s interaction with we the audience.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched that show when I was like 8.

I remember nothing because I preferred California Dreamin which came on just before it on WGN.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfectly understandable.

I believe I started watching that show at an age younger than eight, when I was watching new episodes on Saturday mornings. I contunued watching it, though, and remember California Dreamin’ on WGN, but vaguely.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually remember less about California Dreamin'

Just that it was my favorite of the two.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just occurred to me that you are in Italy,

yet discussing Saved by the Bell on VEB. If I were you, I would go get some gelato or a pastry and espresso. Something Italiany.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

spaghetti

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

-os

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dinner's in fifteen minutes.

Our host sister had to go out and do something but when she gets back it is dinner.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume they have prepared hand-made gnochi.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have literally no idea what I just ate.

It was good but I have no idea what it was. Some kind of meat.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

I know what that is.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the best aspects of traveling is the eating of new foods.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked it.

I just don’t know what it is.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you not allowed to ask?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to be rude.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something Like.....

This was really good, what do you call it?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless there's some kind of translation error when asking about meat.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really want to find it was indeed donkey sausage.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say,

“I really enjoyed dinner. What is the name of meal that we had?” Except in Italian, if I spoke it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't speak Italian.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you shouldn't. We won the war.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So did Italy, though... kinda

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, they were in the Axis.

How did they win? The overthrow of Mussolini?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

they traded sides midway through.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

for a closer?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most anticipated trade deadline ever

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I was referring to

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Traders to the Allies;

traitors to the Axis.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was more of an owner/GM split

The king was DeWitt, Mussolini was Jocketty.

This might be the worse metaphor I have ever posted on VEB.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this metaphor,

who is La Russa? Their lead general?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as Jason Marquis is Hitler.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?!?!

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to speak French,

but I’m way out of practice.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I speak French.

There is a bathroom attendant in town who only speaks Italian and French and when he found out I could speak French we talked for like ever about when he visited Paris and now we are best friends, you know in a non-creepy, not REALLY best friends sort of way.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was in Paris,

I ran into my college French professor on the Metro. Quite a coincidence.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

or was it!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

did he accidently run into you

and hand you a briefcase

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a she.

She wound up slipping a top secret piece of technology into my jacket pocket and I was chased around Paris for a few days by spies. Everything worked out in the end though.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I still crave botifarra and beans every once in a while. Amatriciana is probably my all-time favorite pasta sauce. Etc., etc.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it a cured meat?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm. Was it a dark meat or a light meat?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dark.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could've been lamb?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be

My buddy tried out a cavallo sandwich once and let me take a bite. It wasn’t bad.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

ClemsonGirl ate Billy Crystal.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

She might have eaten William or Irving Kristol

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No idea what that means

Do they have a sandwich called that? It’s just Italian for “horse”. I don’t really eat at Rally’s ever.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't that illegal or something in this country?

I personally wouldn’t mind since there’s nothing wrong with horse meat, unless you have moral scruples with it, which I would understand.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this one of those urban legends?

Like the one about KFC changing its name to the acronym because they don’t technically serve “chicken”, because they secretly serve a genetically altered chicken-like mutant which is easier to mass produce?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

Maybe some kind of sausage. There were hot dogs in there too. Like American hot dogs, it was weird.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A taste of home

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

this thread is oddly disturbing.

among other things.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw hotdog-like sausages used in sandwich-stand fare in Europe

Mostly in France I think.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assumed it was to catch the eye of American tourists though

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe donkey sausage.

I had some of that in France and it was pretty good.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions

by jd is legend on May 24, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did that hang out there so long without you jumping on it?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, it took three hours

It was worth the wait though

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs

by mysterui on May 24, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on May 24, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

California Dreamin

greatest knock off show ever. Mostly because of Kelly Packard, but I digress.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what California Dreams is.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh right...this is awkward

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, yes it is.

Would it help if I held you close to me and brushed your hair?

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

not at all.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a pretty accurate description of Zack Morris' role as character-narrator who also interacts directly with the audience.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scholars are still debating what would happen in a hypothetical world

where Zack Morris and Parker Lewis came into direct opposition with each other. Kind of an “unstoppable force/immovable object” scenario.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy Crap

Parker Lewis is also Jonas from SG-1.
This is going to completely change the sibling dynamic in my immediate family.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he also plays a few serial killers, so...

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely noticed him in an episode of NCIS

But he was only a suspect, not the actual killer.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

ohhhh ding ding ding ding.

sorry, sir, he was the serial. he had an accomplice serial.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was the one with the unmarked van.

they opened it up
and there was a giant bird head…

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh really?

I thought he was just covering for the girl the whole time, and she was the real killer, but he was protecting her because he loved her anyway. Or something. It’s been a while since I have seen it, but I totally remember the van scene.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, it was a little something to spice up the dating.

in a typical heteronormative way, guy picks up the bacon, gal has to prep it.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

Parker Lewis can’t lose.

by TBender on May 24, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how could anyone beat Zack Morris?

Did you see his SAT scores? He didn’t even study!

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the lack of sleep has caused me to go insane

forgive me Cody.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll find my way out of here or my name isn't buzzkillington.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

also, thanks

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

i can't tell who that is...

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

i need to clean this monitor off or something.

maybe i need to put on my glasses.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahh the glasses helped

but i still can’t tell who it is.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a homer past Colby Rasmus?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Happy to have been the one to make this green.

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

if i unrec it and rec it again does that make me the one to make it green?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't we sorted this out before?

No, it just makes you sad. Demented and sad, but social.

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i brought it up before but i'm not sure we sorted it out.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did Betancourt start any of the KC games?

I know my brother in law (KC fan) said he wasn’t the starting SS.

by sdrone on May 24, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

yes he started

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Betancourt now plays in Milwaukee.

He was a piece in the Greinke trade.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

if by Betancourt, you mean Escobar, then yes

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Colby pulled any potential homers back into the park

before last night? I’ve been looking for him to do this, figuring that would get people to notice his defense.

Might as well keep asking the questions, I suppose. CodyG needs the work.

by sdrone on May 24, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

scott rolen's on opening day last year is all that comes to mind.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

rolen robbed

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

feel free to tell me whether or not a video game robbed homerun counts.

Rasmus robs Lind’s HR (MLB10: The Show)

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that some sort of weird exhibition game that cost a billion dollars per seat?

I think there are about 17 people inside the stadium other than the baseball players.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

so he only robs former Cardinals

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's what i thought too

never too small a sample size for conspiracy theories

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

who does he rob next?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

We play the Nationals next month

So I’m gonna say Rick Ankiel

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

get your bets in while you can

winner gets a green comment

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude, that's cheap

put up a gif

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

deal!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is totally awesome

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

is that a photoshop job or is that real?

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure i hate this direct tv commerical with ARod just running around random neighborhoods.

yeah, i do.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

in case anyone is curious

THE HAT
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=LDs&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=st.+louis+cardinals+hats+retro&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7553719239234919672&sa=X&ei=Ra3bTbCfJMjx0gHKoLXkDw&ved=0CHAQ8gIwAw&biw=1525&bih=708#

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

shoot link fail

here

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

pic of it

now scoot and mattymo and everyone else who wants to BOW DOWN!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not the same hat.

Been posted before.

The search continues.

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

true, but i think they'll be happy enough with this.

maybe.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope not.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, that's horrid.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

not THE HAT. THE HAT is still on the head of the chubby dude I ran into this weekend. Jerk wouldn’t sell it to me. Swore they still have them at South County mall

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's good enough for me to mark my challenge to myself to find it complete.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you change your challenge from "to find it"

to “to find a mediocre substitute”, then sure.

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

couldn't have said it better

myself

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

that was "found" the first night we were looking for it

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

no it wasn't

i found some weird knock off that was the only resemblance of THE HAT, i could find. this however was not linked to or mentioned.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Y2S a challenge appears.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not doing your work for you

you accept the quest, you finish the quest.

try Evan Longoria.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

fine

timer starts NOW!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

BOOM

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

just because it wasn't in the post

doesn’t mean that it wasn’t seen. They have that hat at the team store, it’s no great find.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know I posted it before.

Maybe not on that day, but definitely a long while ago.

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be in South County soon to go to Babies R Us.

I could be persuaded to stop in and check for THE HAT. Is it at the Cardinals Clubhouse store?

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

SONOFA

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya commie!

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

allegedly

Mrs. Scoot will be there Friday to go to Babies Я Us as well. She is planning on checking for me. If they have them, I may have her buy the whole stock.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sonuva.....

How much are you going to mark them up?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just playing

but I would have her buy several of them. Honestly, I wouldn’t want any more than I had in them.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm tempted to go and buy all of them today.

JUST BECAUSE I CAN

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by spants on May 24, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

did I say South County?

I meant the Galleria

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked there a few weeks back.

Nice try.

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by spants on May 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

my knowledge of mall names in St. Louis county is expended

I’m actually shocked I remember The Galleria. Mall names aren’t high on my priority list apparently.

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

/weep

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by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

There, there.

I miss it, too.

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by spants on May 24, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is this about?

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casa Grill

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by spants on May 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could really go for one of their tortillas with some of that butter with honey or whatever they put in it.

Sad face.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

DAMN YOU....

Don’t be bringing that awesomeness up.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the kids could watch them make tortillas through that window all night long

And there was yummy salsa. And it was upstairs at the Galleria and had lighting and decor and you kinda forgot you were in a mall, maybe.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok...I have honey, butter, and semi fresh tortillas at home.

I’m making them tonight.

Probably some tacos, too.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

come to Poplar Bluff

We have a local tex-mex place where you can watch them make the tortillas. They are served fresh with butter and honey (i think). If not, bring your own honey.

They also make the only guacamole that I’ll eat. They make it fresh at your table side.

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES Casa Gallardo tortillas

AMAZING. They don’t do them any more. Thought I was the only one who remembered them. Went to the Casa Grill recently and it was just a totally pedestrian Tex-Mex joint. The waitress had no idea what I was talking about.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on May 24, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you go to a Casa Grill?

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by spants on May 24, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is another?

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by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i honestly cant remember

it was back in December…

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on May 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is important stuff.....

Are you sure it was a grill, and not just a Casa?

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently there's a somewhat famous building in Madrid called the Casa Gallardo

Did you break into this place?

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Don't Don't Don't

let yourself be sucked in by the baby gear industry. It’s just as bad as the wedding industry. And don’t you dare buy the garbage can with the diaper canister top. IT DOESN’T WORK AT ALL.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've gotten all the big stuff handed down to us.

But baby gonna need a carseat and diapersd, guay.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's programs around that give them away.

Look for a car seat install class at a hospital or fire station, and they usually give them away there.

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by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

A) Car seats expire.

B) We’re using a smaller one that was handed down to us for the first few months, but it expires in December. At that point, the baby will probably be too big for that car seat anyway.

C) Can you guarantee that the seat hasn’t been in an accident?

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by spants on May 24, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

wat
Car seats expire.

wat

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

just get one of those lunch coolers and put a pillow in it

problem solved

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all honesty,

with a velociraptor being expected, she should think of her own safety first. Get a cage.

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by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

The plastic lasts 5 years.

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by spants on May 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

and then it just disintegrates or what

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess.

I mean, plastic does degrade.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

crap

i need to check the expiration date on my cereal bowls

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

also, they aren't supposed to be re-used

if they’ve been involved in an accident of any kind. How are you supposed to know if they have or have not been if you get them at a garage sale?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that's why you read the whole post

disregard

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about the mostly plastic buckle

that’s holding the carseat into the car? that’s gonna be however old the car is. probably more than 5 years old

“car seats expiring” sounds like someone trying to make some money, but what do i know

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"IPods expire every 18 months"

steve jobs

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"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

crap

is my roommate gonna get sick from the 3 year old ipod i sold him?

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

He will die of dysentery.

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it's silly and all that.

But my brother nearly died in a horrific car accident. Not going to mess around on this one.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skip all the unnecessary expenditures and have one...

more child than you actually want.

That’s what I did.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i assume the expiration is related to the air escaping from the foam.

once the air leaks out, the foam isn’t very cushiony. that is my made-up off-the-cuff, sounds plausible answer.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure...

1. slap a date on it
2. imply that spending $ = loving your kid
3. profit!!!!

Seriously, even if a car seat is in an accident, what part of it would be unusable? The nylon straps could get stretched, but if it’s for an infant this isn’t likely to really happen. You just have to check to see if the styrofoam padding around the head area has disintegrated.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

True fact.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they give away new ones.

We do a program every year sponsored by, I think,

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Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah.

Well, I’m sure there is someone of greater need than I.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody shows up for them.

Last year we had 25 or so left over that we gave to one of the goodwill stores.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I just got back from Goodwill

Khaki shorts for Jamaica!

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eff off SBN....

Healthy mothers, healthy babies. Nice new ones, still in the box.

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Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think we established what VEB shouldn't advise about

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go to BJC

Apparently they give away new, good car seats for like 10 or 20 bucks. BJC subsidizes them.

by goodymobb on May 24, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

used car seats are wise

you never know if they have been in an accident, how old they are, etc. Always safer to buy new.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides.

OTHER PEOPLE want to buy me this stuff. Who am I to deny them that?

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

make your own cloth diapers!

what kind of mother are you?!?!

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on May 24, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kind that will break you.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i look on cloth diapers like veganism or biking to work.

if it works for you, and you can make it work without gouging your eyes out, go for it. but i don’t feel bad about having a small landfill with my name on it. we tried everything, man.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

We share laundry space with our landlord/neighbor.

I’m not going to inflict that upon him.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are diaper services

but Pampers is the only way to go for me, our hospital used the ones with the wetness indicator which was amazing for the first few months when you can’t really tell if they are wet or not, after that it becomes easy enough and larger than size 2 doesn’t have the indicator anyway.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on May 24, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but we also don't have much space.

And services can be pricey.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the one they had at Roger Dean during Spring Training

that I passed on because it wasn’t THE HAT.

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

do I have to put this in the glossary?

you guys are really obsessed.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's THE HAT

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

alright then... not judging... just recording...

[backs up]

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, seriously, that's a glorious hat.

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno how he got in that shot.

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's obviously attention whoring

trying to get the camera off of The Hat, but you’ll notice force of The Hat is strong. The eye is focused upon it

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude we're only using this pic now

or this one

perhaps this one as well

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see nothing

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

your forgot the pixelating filter.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

just a bunch of background noise

the area the picture was focused on seems to be. . . broken?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

that’s what i was going for.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

a bad picture?

you got it!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

mission accomplished!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

you also screwed up his baseball on a stick thing

now it looks like he has a snowball sitting on his shoulder

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

what hat are we talking about here?

late to the party for me, no clue what you are talking about

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on May 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

THE HAT is the Gibbybird cap in the lower left in the above pic.

AKA the Viva El Birdos Holy Grail.

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

the grrrrrrrrrraaaaailllllll [spit]

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

or you could just look at my avatar

for the tattered remains of the last known copy of The Hat to be owned by a VEB’er

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have the blue and red version.

the bill and front are dark blue with red mesh on the back

I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it... Jack Handy

by swmofan on May 24, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you must buy this hat and

this hat
and do all the work in making your dream cap.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for caption

YOU THINK TLR ISN’T PHOTOGENIC?

by TBender on May 24, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Bitter Beer Face?

Tony should try Keystone Light!!!

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That bullpen would suck...

Cleto and Ottavino would issue walk after walk after walk… Then you’d bring in LOOGY #2 and the son of a gun would throw with his right arm! Debacle!

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Grittiest Play of the Night

I think my vote goes for Descalso hitting a clutch grounder through the right side of the infield, scoring Schumaker from first. Schumaker slid into home unnecessarily and Descalso slid into second after taking the extra base on the throw. Thoughts?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Fangraphs WAR
Fernando Salas: 0.8
Jason Motte: 0.4
Kyle McClellan: 0.2
Mitchell Boggs: 0.2
Eduardo Sanchez: 0.2
Trever Miller: 0.0
Miguel Batista: -0.1
Ryan Franklin: -0.8

I just thought that these fWAR totals to date were interesting.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

ok franklin has been bad so far

but with regression, he’s likely a replacement level pitcher from here on out.
not great but he’s a guy who can grit out a inning when we have 5+ run lead.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're assuming he will regress towards the mean

I don’t know that you can make that assumption about 38 year old pitchers.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

14 IP

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

So he's been abhorrently bad in small sample....

and that means that he should be better over a longer sample? Just by sheer force of statistical regression?

I don’t know how, at this point, you can make that case for a guy who always skated on the edge of being mediocre and has now apparently fallen over the cliff to absolutely worthless. Especially when that guy is 38 years old. The regression model relies on the assumption that Franklin is the same pitcher now as he was in 2009 and 2010. I’ve yet to see any evidence that this is the case.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

not that spring training stats mean much (i know minor league players and such)

but over those 11.2 IP he was pretty much in line with 2008/9
so yeah, even though i had to pull out spring training stats, that SSS he performed well enough.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spring training means nothing

Anthony Reyes once threw 15 consecutive scoreless innings in spring training….

At some point, guys just lose their effectiveness:

Trevor Hoffman (2009): 2.63 xFIP; (2010): 5.21 xFIP
Troy Percival (2007): 3.98 xFIP; (2008): 5.73 xFIP
Rick Aguilera (1999): 3.96 FIP; (2000): 5.92 FIP

Aguilera is probably the best comparison to Franklin — he was never a strikeout reliever. He got by on inducing weak contact, not walking people, and locating his pitches well. He was reasonably good for the Cubs in ‘99 and then stunk horribly in 2000. At an advanced age, once you lose it, it’s gone.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got it

take away a lot from a 14 IP sample size

discard 12 inning sample size because it was spring training.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're doing the opposite, so what the hell is your point?

And lets keep in mind that the MLB 14 innings are against all MLB hitters and are more recent than the spring training 12 innings. I’m not discarding it to support my argument, I’m discarding it because spring training innings are all but meaningless in determining performance for most all pitchers, but especially for someone who’s not pitching to acquire a job — he already had it.

My point is this: Relievers in their late 30’s/early 40’s have a tendency to FALL OFF A FUCKING CLIFF in terms of performance, and many of these relievers had far better stuff and were far more effective in the years leading up to this cliff falling than Franklin is.

Ryan Franklin since June 1st, 2010: 61.1 IP, 5.04 FIP, .263 BABIP, -1 WAR

If that’s not a convincing argument that he’s not been good for almost a year, excepting his 12 inning spring training sample, I don’t know what the fuck is.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

jeeze, what ever

i’ll concede because i have no idea how to argue with you.
he could regress or more likely he’s just a terrible pitcher.
IMO we release him and batisita, I guess i’m just being an optimist when i say it won’t hurt the team that much.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not making any comments on a roster move involving Franklin

But let’s not get all rosy and expect him to be much better than he’s been so far this year either. Considering the track record, if he’s able to pitch 10 innings at a sub-4.50 FIP the rest of the year I’d be incredibly surprised.

He was really good for one season, 2009, and mostly with smoke and mirrors.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any pitcher should be able to grit out an inning when we have a 5+ run lead.

Since we seem to consistently find ourselves in close games, due to our team’s skill, it would be nice to have seven bullpen arms that can grit out an inning in a game with a lead or deficit of three runs or less.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would guess that most position players

would be able to hold a 5 run lead 80% of the time.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly, i'm just saying franklin is just an arm.

i’d be angry if franklin were being used in high leverage situations, unless he were the only arm left.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem here is that he very likely will be

Sanchez likely isn’t going to frequently be able to pitch on back-to-back nights. Salas is the closer. Motte’s fine but he’s a bit susceptible to lefties, and gets hit hard when his velocity is down (empirical observation – possibly when he has to pitch more then one inning or on consecutive nights). Neither of our lefties are very good.

Also, our starting pitchers are not going to continue to be this good and pitch as many innings. An injury can happen at any time. KMac isn’t going to continue to throw into the 7th inning every start. Jaime and Lohse aren’t going to throw a near-CG each time they take the mound. We’ll need relievers to pitch more than 2 innings in close games at some point, and we now only have three reasonable ones in the pen, some of whom may be unavailable at any point.

One or both of Franklin and Batista are going to have to pitch meaningful innings from here on out. Same with Tallet and Miller (both of whom, IMO, are not going to get people out with the regularity we’d like). Increasing the number of HIGH-LEVERAGE innings those sub-replacement-level pitchers have to throw is nonsensical, and hurts us, in what is shaping up to be a close pennant race.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO

you’re right on the mark.
It really is a house of cards, no pun intended.
I would just add this:
I’d give Bautista a closing job………..closing the door on his way out!

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

0 ERA, 0 BS

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

he shouldn’t let the door hit him in the ass on the way out.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

(facepalm)

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hypothetical:

If Bautista swung at a pitch from Batista, how far would it go, and would the fabric of time-space be affected?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

where is Amaury in this equation?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He's on base.

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"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not likely

I don’t believe he’s ever stopped on his way around the bases.

by mojowo11 on May 24, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Jim Abbot

pitched to John Costello, would we all laugh?

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i am that one guy on the pirates

THE BATMAN
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@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

touchette

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will write 100 times...

Miguel Batista Miguel Batista Miguel Batista Miguel Batista Miguel Batista Miguel Batista Miguel Batista Miguel Batista………………….

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I forget

is writing OK and it’s just if you say it out loud? I guess I can try and find out…

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Bee..

on second thought, guess I’ll not try it out, just in case.

by ArkansasTravs on May 24, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's just Babe Ruth in reverse

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skinny guy who is the greatest hitter of all time and then becomes an awesome pitcher

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, is that all?

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he is clearly also a roiding roider who roids up and snorts crushed roids with rolled up hundred dollar bills,

and he took a pen and crossed out some of the words and changed them, so the bill says “This note is legal tender for all ’roids public and private” and also “In Roids We Trust.” He is using his new roid-money to buy the most expensive poodles in the world, dozens of them, and he has named each one “Roids”.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no statistical justification for keeping franklin or batista on the roster

the only “reason” is some sense of loyalty to franklin. As for johnny-come-lately batista, there is simply no reason.

the cards are simply avoiding making the “hard” choice of putting the best players on the roster.

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 24, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Except if there is really some upside to be gained from sending Boggs to AAA and gettign him to work on his control/slider/mechanics/griittiness.

by SouthsideCardsFan on May 24, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Descalso is clutch

With men in scoring position:
wOBA- .342; wRC+- 116

In high leverage situations:
wOBA- .527; wRC+- 241

Overall:
wOBA- .276; wRC+- 71

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 5/23/2011):
35 IP, 46 K, 15 BB/HBP, 13 ER, 2 HR, 2.6 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on May 24, 2011 9:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm not sure that last night's grounder through the right side was so much clutchy as it was lucky.

I’m not complaining one bit. But, I don’t think that Descalso showed any more skill on that groundball to the right side which found a hole than he has on the numerous groundballs to the right side this season that have found a glove.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, but he did put the ball in play

Which is something Tyler Greene probably doesn’t do in that AB, and it’s something that both Pujols and Rasmus failed to do in the inning before that.

I don’t know how much of it is “clutch” or whether it’s just getting a pitch you can handle, but you can’t deny that he battled a very good reliever with above average stuff (although he didn’t have it last night) and hit a hard ground ball that found a hole.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with anything you have said.

Sometimes grounders find the hole and sometimes they do not. I don’t think that Descalso being clutch had anything to do with last night’s grounder being one of those that finds an infield hole.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think getting the hit is clutch

I do think putting a hard hit ball in play in that situation is somewhat “clutch” however.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus Bell was up in the zone last night

I almost wrote “high,” but I figured that was too inviting an opening.

Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: The Riot 4, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, Berkman 9, Craig/Lil Carp 5, Molina 2, Greene 6, pitcher (Get well soon, Mr. Freese)

by gocards62 on May 24, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

YEAH

20 thousand comments by the end of may!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your comments are crap...

I hope you trip on the basement stairs and spill your OJ.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

too far man

no one wishes death threats on my citric beverages.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have and I will continue to do so.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, really.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, maybe if i catch fire.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's about the long haul

it’s about grit and dedication

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

but only in smaller file sizes

and smaller dimensions for mobile users.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not the size that matters

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

btw that's a good sig quote

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks, i guess

it’s Jim Bouton

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

what are the numbers now?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

21% and 1%..

thread has improved hugely…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweet!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

close enough

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have a Szymborski symbol, why not a Sickels symbol?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe just needs more photoshop

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

needs moar politics

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could very easily replace the hammer with a baseball bat.

Not me though, I suck at photoshop.

--
Dan Szymborski
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by D.Szymborski on May 24, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

...AAAAHHHHHH

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a waiting period...

Society trusts me to buy a glock on a whim, but not ask John Sickels about Matt Adams. Weird.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

he replied

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It must be hard to be an expert on...

every single minor league baseball player….

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting disconnect here...
Mozeliak insisted Boggs’ role change at Memphis doesn’t mean his future in St. Louis ultimately resides in the rotation; instead it offers him the best opportunity for regular work.
“Somewhere along the line every season there is usually a need for some help in the rotation,” Duncan said. “He’ll give us the opportunity to bring someone up with major-league experience starting games. It’s good for us and it’s good for him.”

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...

I think I’m in the minority but I don’t mind this move as long as it doesn’t cause Franktista to see more action.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

but it will do.

So – you’re against this move?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may not...

The starters could step up and require fewer pen innings, Tallet could get Boggs’ innings and be decent, they could rely more on Salas/Sanchez/Motte, another move could be coming.

I’m neutral on the move. We need more and better relievers, but we also need a 6th starter.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

average innings per start (rounded to nearest out):

Jaime: 6.2
Carp: 6
Lohse: 7.1
Westbrook: 5.1
KMac: 6.1

With the exception of Westbrook, I see NO WAY any of those guys are going to average MORE innings per start. Lohse and KMac especially will see some serious regression (Lohse is averaging more IP per start this year than Roy Halladay has in his career to date!).

I agree they could give Motte a few more innings but Sanchez and Salas have been pretty much used in every close game they’ve been available since they came up.

Tallet sucks and to expect otherwise is to set oneself up for serious disappointment…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

so lohse will win MVP/ Cy Young

yes?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I totally agree we need four or five good righties in the pen. We had four, now we have three. It’s a problem.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's Reifer when you need him?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on over

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, shit

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

A good lefty would make a big difference as well

when you look at, say, the Padres’ pen, they seem to be able to bring a couple of no-name guys out of the minors every year, put them in the pen as pure LOOGYs and get a 3.50 or better FIP out of the lot of them. I’ve never heard of the two primary lefties in their pen this year but they’ve both done better than I’d imagine Miller or Tallet will going forward for us, and their best lefty (Joe Thatcher) has been injured.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miller stinks as a Loogy

but Tallet has never really been used as one. I’d like to see a couple months of him as the primary loogy before i come to a conclusion.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

his stats don't look great

he actually looks like a decent longman/spot-starter to me (put up 1.7WAR in a season of starting a couple of years ago) but his stuff is entirely underwhelming and he doesn’t have a big platoon split. I think his career xFIP vs LHB is like 4.50 or something, it’s pretty poor.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tallet was equally terrible last year.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curse you Luke Gregerson and your ability to get out hitters regardless of handedness!!!!!!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I foresee Westbrook averaging more innings per start.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

emphasis mine:
With the exception of Westbrook, I see NO WAY any of those guys are going to average MORE innings per start.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

I was agreeing with you. I should have concluded with the oft-used “, too” to signify this.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that we are pretty weak.

Lynn is probably the logical choice for a call-up. However, this was just as true in Spring Training as it is today. I don’t understand why the move took place now. The timing is very odd, especially with Franklin and Batista in the MLB bullpen.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

speculation: a starter has a sore arm.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have any issues with that notion.

I just notice the difference in Boggs’ projected future role between what Mo is saying and what Duncan is saying.

Also, how is the “6th starter” role any weaker than it was during Spring Training, at the end of Spring Training, in March…?

Like bgh says below, nonsensical timing on this move, except that it corresponding with activating someone from the DL.

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

CodyG raises what worries me,

that a starter is not 100% healthy.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

well precautions

we have 4 TJ pitchers on the staff and a guy with a motocross injury.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jaime? Carp?

Lohse just threw 118 pitches last night, so he wouldn’t be the one they are concerned about. Jaime got the quick hook the other day, but it didn’t appear to be health related at all.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

could be Lynn

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is interesting

I don’t think we have any reason to believe any of the starting 5 on the big club are injured, and Lynn sure seems like the organizational #6, so maybe he’s got fatigue, or the FO fears some sort of injury trouble down the road.

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

only one that could really fit that bill is carp, no?

/conspiracy theory

Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.

by all4tookie on May 24, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems the most likely...

definitely not Lohse or Garcia. Westy is improving.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently it was hot and humid...

boxscore states 83 degrees.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

well he better get used to it. this is st. louis, right?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on May 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how you lurk, people.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love you.

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may have to make an exception.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

thus the possible exception.

The judges will meet this evening over drinks during the game to discuss the candidacy.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

note to lurkers: this just means that riverrat will get drunk later tonight.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

also known as, Tuesday evening.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you're saying is

Jaime has been this good in spite of the weather. Should be a fun summer!

by lightbulb on May 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post is awesome

Also, we have a pitcher from New Hampshire?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

is sarcasm? chris carpenter is the most notorious new hampshirian since . . . uh . . .

david souter?

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I literally had no idea who the New Hampshire guy was

So, it was not sarcasm. I kind of assumed Chris Carpenter leaped, fully formed like Athena, out of the living rock of the craggiest of peaks of the Rocky Mountains, or perhaps was raised by wolves in Alaska until his yearning for the hunt was finally tempered by his humanity and he sought baseball out as a way to sublimate his predatory instinct for the kill.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

no, he sublimated his predatory instincts through hockey.

at some point, he just realized that baseball is a much better sport to play.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he ended up murdering too many people on the ice

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well, new hampshire is pretty milquetoast as states go.

john sununu?

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carlton Fisk?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

better. maybe bode miller? or Sam Fuld!

Also, this just in, Bob Tewksbury is from the shire.

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 24, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

it stands to reason

it’s not the ones who stay in
it’s the ones who get out

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep saying

the problem with the conditions in KC on Sunday was the wind. It wasn’t that hot. The wind was blowing out. There were four homers and a whole bunch of outs on the warning track.

Garcia looked fine, but he’s been sharper. With the big lead, I think that was all Tony was thinking and it backfired.

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think TLR

wanted to give the bull pen some work. They had a 5 run lead.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good managers know how to keep players on their toes.

Also they know how to keep players loose, and keep them rested… and keep them motivated, and competitive. Somehow bringing in Batista accomplishes all these things. I just haven’t figure out how yet.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would just like to express my deep nostalgia

for a road trip to San Diego when one Brendan Ryan fought the earth and won. (the graphic video of this nostalgia)

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

the expressions on DeRosa and Holliday...

and then later, Barry was shaking his head at him, like I don’t know how you survived

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR looks like an apple head doll there.

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

with Boggs gone, who talks to Motte?

unforeseen consequences in the ’pen!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

T-Minus 2 days and 9 hours.

I have a bad case of short timers syndrome.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

CARLOS MARTINEZ!

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh i'll just go back to the basement

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

what is this a count down of?

THE BATMAN
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@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, of course.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm quitting my job.

To cap this off, I’m caulking the wagon and heading to Denver.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Denver- the city where 50+% of VEBers have been to in the last 2 years or live near/at.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Sweet!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey, I've been to Denver in the last year!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a layover in December.

Since the Denver airport is not even in Colorado, I’m not sure if it counts, though.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't flown a lot

but of the airports I’ve flown into/out of, that one was my favorite simply for the view of the mountains. Mrs. Scoot gets to experience that this weekend. Perhaps it would be easier to just list the people who haven’t been in Denver in the last 2 years?

Aranathor, GDM, and Akaitori. . . that’s about it, right? Also, one of these things is not like the others (can be taken multiple ways)

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's probably my favorite layover airport.

But is incredibly far from Denver if that is your destination.

Favorite layover airports:
1. Denver
2. Atlanta
3. Charlotte

Favorite destination airports:
1. San Diego
2. Washington Regan
3. Detroit

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

my flying experience is much less than yours

least favorite place for me was Miami

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I only fly about twice a year now.

My early 20’s was seemingly once a month, though.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree that miami is the worst layover airport

also: dallas-ft. worth, because the internet costs money.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on May 24, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

where doesn't the internet cost money?

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it depends on who pays the money

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't even find it in Atlanta anymore.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last place you left it, I'm sure.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the public library?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why on earth do you like layovers in Atlanta's airport?

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions

by jd is legend on May 24, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

So much to do!

Pre 9/11, it was probably my favorite overall airport. Thanks a lot, Bin Laden.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're a victim too...

don’t let anyone tell you different.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

God I hate that airport

Such a pain in the ass

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions

by jd is legend on May 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Better than LAX

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never been

Well, I went with my family when I was about a year old, but that doesn’t count

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions

by jd is legend on May 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

ugh. that place is a nightmare.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've flown in/out of there ~30 times in the last 4 years

Ugh

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the fact that the smoking area is a bar.

Makes things so convenient.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or third it. Whatever.

(The up button. How does it work?)

by TBender on May 24, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

by clicking it

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlotte is awesome.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Atlanta's airport is dumb.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have not been to Denver in the past two years.

I wish I had though.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥

by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

ME TOO!

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Checking in

I flew into Denver on my way to shred sick pow at Breckenridge.

by mojowo11 on May 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

dysentery

never made it to Denver. He will be missed

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

rature rescheduled again?

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

10/21.

All patrons who purchased tickets for the 5/21 rapture will be able to use them for this re-scheduled rapture.

No extra charges if you buy your tickets at the box office this week.

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

any tickets at the gate?

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on which ticket window you go to.

If it’s the far, far south gate, you can just walk in.

North gate? Heavy security…large gate and some guy named Peter.

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it going to be a single rapture or a doublegeddon?

Wait, nevermind.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey somebody with a minor league ball screen name...

go ask Sickels about Matt Adams and Zach Cox.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

can i just post a picture of this comment?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

well now he has both

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Below average!!!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Houston is last, even with the Crawdad Boxes?

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

i’m learning now they score runs.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yabbut, dead last in that amusement park?

That lineup is worse than I thought.

...and his name was Eduardo Sanchez, and the name of his slider was Death -DanUp

by The Continental on May 24, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

But seriously.

How the hell is it possible to lose to Seattle in this department? That’s embarassing.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on May 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it a stat you can lose

If anything the Yankees lose for being so damn depedant on hitting Home Runs. I think what is awesome is the Cards are near average in both charts the BTB put in that post but % of runs from HRs and % of HRs that occur with a runner on base yet we are the top scoring offense. Somehow we are scoring runs in other ways which I hope is more sustainable.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on May 24, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh...

I really don’t think relying on home run balls is a bad thing.

"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin

TWITTER

by stlcardsfan4 on May 24, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not by itself

it can become a problem if hitters get it into their head they are going to hit a home run, and swing at pitches they should let go by, or take to pull a pitch they are better off hitting the other way.

But if they hitter is able to just go up and look for a pitch to drive, and they end up hitting a lot of home runs. Who cares?

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on May 24, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't a team like the Yankees

be vulnerable to an extreme groundball pitcher, like 09 Pineiro? Fewer fly balls = fewer homers.

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

still doesn't stop callers from complaining

we score too many runs via the home run.

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on May 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

you have callers?

maybe you should unlist your number.

by _pistol_ on May 24, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

refering to radio shows

but now that you mention it. I hate robo political calls

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on May 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg, omg

newt just called me! at my house!

by _pistol_ on May 24, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most excellent!

thanx for this chart.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is up with Chris Carpenter's Fastball?

Carpenter’s Fangraph’s page

Every year his FB has been a plus pitch. It was worth 9.7 runs last year. It is worth -7.2 this year so far. His velocity isn’t down (91.9) vs 91.6 last year. The only thing that stood out to me was that it is breaking an inch less than less year on the X axis. Would love someone to look into his pitch/fx more though.

by FlimtotheFlam on May 24, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

could be something as simple as

hits off his fastball have a higher BABIP.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are the pitch values...

results based? Carp seems like the same old Carp except with crappy luck.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, IIRC they're based off wOBA

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

So if a fastball is grounded between two defenders...

it gets a worse rating than if it’s grounded to a defender?

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

result base!

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he's thrown 500 fastballs...

and Theriot is cleaning them up instead of Ryan… There you go.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 5/23/2011):
35 IP, 46 K, 15 BB/HBP, 13 ER, 2 HR, 2.6 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

my gawd!

when is the thickness of the cowhide going to be a factor?

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

well,

I thought it was funny.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha how did i miss this comment?

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually this explains it and i'm completely wrong and i'm willing to blame it all on my lack of sleep

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pitch-type-linear-weights-explained/

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

still result base but there's more to it than i care to learn right now.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought understood that...

then I read the comments.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly...

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take a hack at understanding it later.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a similar note

What is up with Lohse’s FB. His value is 8.6 this year vs -17 last year. His FB velocity last year was 89.6 vs 88.9 this year. His movement is almost identical to last year. I could see him due for some regression on this.

by FlimtotheFlam on May 24, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Command

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Specifically, though

I would guess it’s due to greater command of his breaking pitches, in that hitters can no longer sit on his fastball because he can’t throw his offspeed stuff for strikes.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you dare correct me

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

go to your room.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in my room already

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

*basement

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't correcting you,

I think his fastball command has been better, but since these pitch values aren’t independent of other pitches, my guess is that the gain has more to do with command of his other pitches, not just his fastball.

Would you agree or disagree?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd probably agree

But I was just joshin’

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree.

His change has been really good.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on May 24, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

And i should have said “offspeed”, not “breaking”.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitch type values

i try to claim i understand it
i look at the numbers and know what they mean
i still can’t explain it.

THE BATMAN
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he isn't throwing up over the middle of the plate

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on May 24, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

small sample sizes

a couple of extra homeruns will skew those results massively over a handful of starts, and HR are hit more frequently off FBs than any other pitch.

I don’t think pitch type linear weights are supposed to be very useful or very representative of anything, really. I wouldn’t put too much (heh!) weight in them.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitch values are stupid

Especially in small doses like this. Probably there’s nothing wrong with his fastball, it’s just been less effective. This could be because hitters are getting luckier off of his fastball, it could be because his curveball’s been bad so hitters have been able to sit fastball, it could be because he can’t throw his cutter for a strike and has to fall back on his fastball…

Pitch values must be taken in the context of a pitcher’s repertoire. Just because his fastball’s getting beat up doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with that pitch, it just means something’s wrong with him in general (or unlucky).

by mojowo11 on May 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question was

“What is up with Chris Carpenter’s Fastball?”

My point is that the fact that his fastball’s pitch value is down doesn’t really indicate that anything is wrong with his fastball.

by mojowo11 on May 24, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi had a .650 BABIP this last week lololol

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

has he been fun to watch or what?

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's been amazing to watch

I hope the power’s real

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's Yadi being Yadi

he gets these streaks now and then. they fun when they happen. I like seeing his childish grin when he gets a big hit or makes a big play. He reminds me of a big kid. I love Yadi!

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

he seems a really streaky hitter just in general.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be awesome if he could hit like this all year but I'm just a tad skeptical

especially given that his current line looks like Joe Mauer minus a few walks.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that dude is so much fun to watch

sometimes I doubt there’s anybody in the country who loves their job more than Yadi.

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were you just now reading the Fangraphs power rankings like I was?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't even say hi?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say I'm enjoying the hell out of our success so far this year

But I still have nagging doubts about the team, whether they’re realistic or not. Our performance on the more stat-oriented rankings has been a balm.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The TLR effect

Never get comfortable

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is good advice

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I share your concern

it’s fun now but can it last? 90% or more of the team is contributing but it feels shaky somehow.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm doing it now because everyone else is

hey guys, i’m fitting ti!

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go to sleep, dude

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

no.

you’re going to have to pry the keyboard away from me.

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

without parusing through the

entire thread, heres what gets me about Boggs

every game i have seen the announcers talk about how he never caught on in starting in the minors and how he was clicking in the pen…nearly every game..course they pretty much say the same thing for every guy anyway it’s almost scripted,

now they move him and it’s the right thing to do

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on May 24, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

yea, no kidding.

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by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

"announcers "

they always know what they’re talking about.

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

even when nobody else does.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the st TV guys

seem to just recycle stuff…Liek how many times do I have to hear that Sanchez has flair

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on May 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

*stl*

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on May 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey look at schumaker

he used to play OF and then converted to second…for the millionth time!

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@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not convinced that Sanchez has quite enough melanin to really have “flair”.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

not quite sure what this means

but i’m positive that it’s racist

by _pistol_ on May 24, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm 92.3% it's racist

and that’s the surest i’ve been today.

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@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Between this subthread and the proposed "Sickels Symbol"

we are now a mention-of-religion away from the dreaded Forbidden VEB Trifecta.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well now you went and did it.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Bosnians

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, your mom

"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin

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by stlcardsfan4 on May 24, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kyle and Mark?

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by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are technically both Mc's, aren't they?

MacDougal sucks.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is that old saying, "new converts are the most pious"

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox to S-Field.

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by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you goddamn kidding me

This is the last day I’ll ever spend in Springfield =(

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

EVER?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably, yeah

Heading back to Rolla today for the bachelor party, and after that, going down to Eureka Springs

Immediately after that, driving up to KC to fly out for the honeymoon, fly back in to KC after it, and we’re officially Kansas City residents

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

they can have rui's place

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

does it come with double rainbow?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

double rainbow not included

what are you saying about them anyway? (Not that there’s anything wrong with that)

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

....nothing!

I imply nothing!
picture proof

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baserunning declines as you get older, right?

Because Fangraphs unrolled a new baserunning stat that they’re now adding into WAR. I took a quick glance at Larry Walker, who was known as one of the best baserunners in baseball.

They only have data from 2002-Present, but in his last four years, he was worth 4.7, 2.0, -0.8, and 4.5 runs in baserunner. If baserunning does indeed decline as you get older, it’s feasible to think that he’d be worth an additional 5 wins or so just based on his baserunner prowess

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a bad idea...

they should wait a few years to really figure this stuff out before they dilute war any further. The defensive component already makes it borderline worthless for single seasons.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What alternatives do you suggest?

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Error Bars

Or leaving them out of the calculation.

But I’ve been saying this forever…

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But that's an objective "pretty darn good" instead of a subjective "pretty darn good"

That’s kind of important for scientific study

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

In conclusion, error bars would be great

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the best stat we have right now

But that’s doesn’t mean it could not be improved or reported better than it currently is. It’s a work in progress.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As objective as human recorded and determined balls in play can be.

When you need 3 seasons worth of data to reduce the error to less than one standard deviation from the mean, however, a proper statistical analysis would require that the error bars should be reported. But people don’t care, so they don’t do it.

And considering that I can really get down to granular data on offense (i.e. this guy overachieved his wOBA because his LD rate was higher than average, inflating his BABIP, et al) to dissect those numbers, UZR looks more and more like faith based objectivity. I can get the BIS data, but it doesn’t tell me much in small samples without lots of other information.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, sure. There are lots of problems with UZR

I’m not really qualified to debate the specific merits of it, but while there are caveats to including it in WAR, I think it’s preferable to only having offensive WAR and leaving the defensive side to subjectivity. You may feel otherwise, and that’s perfectly understandable

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that UZR includes subjectivity.

It’s just that there are limits placed on the subjectivity by the use of zones.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the problems of UZR is that it's pretty much always impossible to find a standard to measure it against

I mean, you can take the constituent parts of wOBA and compare them to the actual average number of runs scored league-wide; it’s deconstructable and testable. I’m not UZR is, or ever can be.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

QFT
I’m not UZR is, or ever can be.

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by nota bene on May 24, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't feel otherwise, I think it's the best stat that we have and we should use it.

But we also should report the level of error in certain samples (i.e. one full season, half season) so that a layman looking at these numbers can understand that Colby Rasmus did not save exactly 7 runs on defense in the first two months of the season, but that he saved 7 runs (plus or minus 5 runs) over that time.

I think there are a lot of people in the saber community who just want to assume that defensive runs = offensive runs — but the problem is that the offensive stats are WAY better than the defensive stats at this point for samples less than 3 full MLB seasons, so that’s a false equivalence.

It’s very hard to explain this to people when the error bars aren’t reported in the FanGraphs primer or anywhere on the FanGraphs site.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we can't report error bars on it

because we don’t know what the error is. That’s kinda the point I was trying to make above. The only estimates to its accuracy and SD come from Michael Lichtman’s educated guesses, AFAIK.

I totally agree with you about the disparity between offensive and defensive stats BTW, but I think that knowledge is generally fairly well understood around the sabr community and people generally treat defensive stats (especially in big “outlier” seasons) with the healthy pinch of salt they deserve.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see any reason why error can't be determined

It’s a distribution of data that can be regressed, why could we not get r and p values?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

need "error bars" for singles, doubles, triples, HR too

Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.

by all4tookie on May 24, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

(has nothing to do with anything, i just like pointing this out)

Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.

by all4tookie on May 24, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

With baserunning...

list it with a disclaimer, leave it out of war. With defense, leave it out until a certain minimum number of chances are met, then use a three year average or some such, and possibly scouting reports…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

from the other side of the fence.....

I have a question:
if you add a new factor into the WAR equation, what does that do to all previous WAR stats?
does it invalidate them or make them incomplete?

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by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, all WAR from 2002 to now is updated

But the previous iterations of WAR would be considered incomplete, I suppose. “Best we have to work with” would be an accurate statement

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok

I think I’ll stay on my side of the fence.
Thanx

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by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, from the description, this is just the inverse of the ARM factor already included..

..pretty sure thats been around a few years. doesn’t necessarily alleviate your concerns, but its not a brand new untested metric.

Decrease runs scored? Maybe. Decrease winning? Never seen that proven.

by all4tookie on May 24, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you're referring to Walker or not

But he was definitely fast

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

"fast" being relative to other 90's players, I guess.

But was thinking more of the Rolen/Pujols types.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolens base running really fluctuates according to fg.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Crawford isn't as good as I thought he'd be.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

colby is already in the top 30

from 2000-2011

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure baserunning has as much to do with speed as people always assume

Theriot seems quite quick and is an appalling baserunner. Scott Rolen is slow as hell but was a good baserunner, rarely seemed to get thrown out stupidly, and usually took the extra base when it was available. Theriot would definitely win a 100m sprint but I know which one I’d rather have running the bases.

So, yeah I guess I agree – guys like Rolen will decline in baserunning less than (say) a Carl Crawford.

It’s also worth pointing out that speed is actually one of things that ages best. Guys like Kenny Lofton are a good example of that – still faster in their late-30s than the majority of 20-somethings in the game. I imagine the elite runners now (guys like Bourn) will still be great baserunners and still be very fast in the mid and late-30s.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi steals bases, it' can't be about speed.

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by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

he doesn't steal dozens of bases, though.

I’m still annoyed he couldn’t get to ten that one year

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he has the element of surprise working for him.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gets caught a lot too.

He probably has the best “eye” for what the opposing battery are doing of anyone in baseball (as he’s so good at catching runners himself) but I don’t think that makes up for his extreme lack of speed, at least in his case.

22 career SB, 19 career CS. That’s really bad.

Although it’s funny watching him steal, I wish they stressed to him that he should never, ever run…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's one of those guys that has "deceptive speed"....

he’s a lot slower than he looks.

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by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

blazing

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4038535

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

he looks like his shoe laces are tied together.

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by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice hair lol

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh. agreed.

Sometimes he appears to be running backwards.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's clear that a large part is just being able to make good judgments, quickly.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

*looks up Bengie Molina

yep he was terrible

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

on paper

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what you're referring to

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

just this
it’s feasible to think that he’d be worth an additional 5 wins or so just based on his baserunner prowess

.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

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by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This strikes me as a really bad idea.

But I’ll wait to see the implementation and primer I really formulate an opinion.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on May 24, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the "speed" stat was incorporated into FGraphs wOBA somehow?

I’m pretty sure baserunning was already included in FanGraphs WAR somehow. You got a link?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, don't think so

SB/CS were

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, OK

well tbh I think I quite like including baserunning. I actually think (just off the top of my head) it’s likely to be more accurate and normalise quicker than fielding stats will, and it’s probably more descriptive too, depending on how they do it.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

More important question:

Is Ultimate Base Runner (UBR) pronounced über?

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is now.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

[looking up Kevin Mench's baserunning numbers...]

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine baserunning will be the tool that ages BEST in a given player

albeit with lots of variability.

Speedy players tend to age better than hulking sluggers. Batspeed and coordination seem to decline quicker than raw athleticism. And baserunning is (I guess) partly athleticism, partly intelligence and baseball smarts (which presumably doesn’t regress at all).

I can see injuries playing a role in some players, which will cause an ageing effect, but generally I’d assume baserunning will age much better than many other aspects of a guy’s game.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the legs usually go first.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

you'd think so, but apparently they don't.

smarter folks than I have studied it. Guys you expect to age well (strong, high-walk, high-SLG, offense-first hitters) actually age worse than quick, athletic, contact-hitting, defensively competent guys. Your Kenny Loftons age better (and are more productive in later years) than your Frank Thomas’s.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

the old axium goes

first your legs go,
then your eyes go,
then your money goes,
then your friends go.
I bet there’s been a study on that too.

Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah, 1983

by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

good question

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by Dave Pendleton on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is kind of a flawed, unsatisfying, unenlightening answer...
adams
22 year old 1B, big power from left side, bad body, tearing up Texas League, marginal plate discipline but lots of power. No chance to play in St. Louis, could be trade bait.

by John Sickels on May 24, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

he's a younger mark hamilton!

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine there's a bunch of people at FR (not incl. me!) who've seen lots more of Adams and looked more closely at his numbers than Sickels has

Sickels is good and I like his stuff, but might be he just hasn’t seen much of the guy…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on May 24, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is driving the Rosen-Train

HE WAS PRIVY TO THE EXCELLENCE THAT IS TREVOR ROSENTHAL BEFORE IT WAS COOL TO BE PRIVY TO THE EXCELLENCE THAT IS TREVOR ROSENTHAL

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 5/23/2011):
35 IP, 46 K, 15 BB/HBP, 13 ER, 2 HR, 2.6 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on May 24, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey this guy likes trevor rosenthal

he’s ok in my book.

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen him twice

1) He is fat
2) He looks awkward at 1B
3) He can hit. Pretty swing

Glad I could give you information you didn’t already know!

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

so he can play second?

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody can play second

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

queen elizabeth cannot play second

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by VolsnCards5 on May 24, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm fairly certain of it

she’s like 97 and has osteoporosis

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

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by VolsnCards5 on May 24, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe at one time

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

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by VolsnCards5 on May 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone can play second base

even a 97 yo with osteoporosis.
/EVERYONE can play second base.

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you talking about

Elizabeth II? She literally has the word “second” in her official title, and she can’t play second?

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell that to Chuck Knoblauch

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@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good news of the day

Apparently my work is the place Rams players like to rent cars at. Marquis Johnson just came in

by FlimtotheFlam on May 24, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

BUT

did he bring Fredbird

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just learned today Fredbird

will do parties, weddings, and bar mitzvahs for $150 per 30min

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on May 24, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

May have already been pointed out,

but Mozeliak is quoted thusly:

However, Mozeliak said no thought was given to designating for assignment either veteran pitcher. Franklin entered Monday’s game carrying a 9.20 ERA, an opponents .375 batting average and as many walks (five) as strikeouts in 14 2/3 innings.

“I certainly can envision getting (Franklin) back into the seventh, eighth or ninth inning,” Mozeliak said. “To get there, he’s going to have to pitch. Right now, though, his role is somewhat different.”

Right now, though, his role is somewhat different and it is to throw in the sixth inning of blow outs.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Sixth inning of blowouts for now

But I think what Mo is saying is that Franklin needs to work his way up to working in blowouts in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings.

by lightbulb on May 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's never going to pitch..

blowouts are rare.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what to say

this team has a hard enough task at hand given all the injuries, and then we go and actively make ourselves a worse team, as if we relish putting ourselves at a disadvantage just for the sheer enjoyment of overcoming adversity.

As fourstick (I think) astutely pointed out, take a game situation at random where bullpen use is called for, and there are probably only 3 guys who can handle it – motte, sanchez, or salas. Tallet and Miller are pretty much strictly LOOGIES, and Franklin and Batista can’t be trusted with anything less than a 6 or 7 run lead.

No, its not exactly like rolling with a 3-man bullpen, but its closer to it than I’m comfortable with.

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by mattyp on May 24, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to UBR...

Ryan Theriot was above average in 08 and 09 with the Cubs. That’s all I need to see.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes that's a reasonable line of thinking

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess UBR isn't so über after all.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck yo umlaut

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

sunglasses

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even know what this means

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess UBR (puts on sunglasses) isn't so über after all.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good lord

First the grey hairs, now my memory is going.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...at least now

You Won’t Get Fooled Again.

by TBender on May 24, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who are you?

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey rui

where are you going in jamaica?

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by VolsnCards5 on May 24, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Some all-inclusive hotel

I think it’s called the Riu Tropical Bay or something

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

My wife and I went to Sandals Ochos Rios…i was going to tell you to look for my Rainbow flip flop

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of 5/23/2011):
35 IP, 46 K, 15 BB/HBP, 13 ER, 2 HR, 2.6 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on May 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be on the lookout for it

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to be a buzz kill

But my worst vacation ever was at an all inclusive in Jamaica. It rained so hard and flooded so bad. The water was literally up to the windows of the car. The booze at the hotel was undrinkable. Worst tasting booze I have ever had before or since.

by FlimtotheFlam on May 24, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odd

jamaica is an island. Were you parked in a gully below sea level or something?

by sdrone on May 24, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this from the Pirates porno

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

the lonely island

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is this not being a buzzkill

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll have fun.

My brother in law went there last year with his daughter. They had a great time.

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by spants on May 24, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thx spants ur the best

So much better than these losers

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

My parents have been there a couple of times,

and there were no complaints about the alcohol. I would have heard.

I’m pretty jacked to go during Hurricane season. What could go wrong?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on May 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hurricane Punch will be served

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's lying. Nobody has ever had a good time at an all inclusive resort.

In fact the one you’re going to only has a three foot high above ground pool and nothing but cans of Mich Ultra to drink.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not lying!

My brother has been to two all-inclusives in Mexico. First one was amazing. Second one was okay, but probably seemed worse in comparison to the first one.

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by spants on May 24, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was joking.

I got married at one and have done it half a dozen times. If all you’re looking to do is drink, play in the pool/ocean, and do tennis and shit like that (& bang) it’s the way to go. If you get lucky, you get one with great food and it makes the trip perfect.

If you want culture, eh, not so much, but sometimes just getting away from America and drinking (for free, theoretically!) on the beach is enough.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Jamaica is not in a state of constant flooding

I, on the other hand, just realized I should be mildly worried about that fracking Iceland volcano disrupting my flight to France later this week…

by mojowo11 on May 24, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be at the llebero star (or something like that)

all inclusive at the end of June. I’m just excited to be child-free for a week and slowly drink myself to sleep every day

by STLRegalia on May 24, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Iberostar?

I think my parents or some family friends stayed at one of their places in Mexico once.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact I think they also stayed at a Riu place once. No idea which was better though.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Iberostars in the Riveria Maya

are excellent. I don’t know about Jamaica, but the RUIs are supposed to be even higher up the cost scale.

And of course now I can’t see those damn things without thinking about someone’s mom.

by sdrone on May 24, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Riviera Maya, that was the one they stayed at

I think they also tried the Riu Palace Playacar, or some variation on those words. It was all in or around Playa del Carmen.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that said lboros for a second

and got my hopes up

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of baserunning

Has anyone noticed that Descalso looks freaking fast? I caught him doing some running in a game – maybe Saturday – and he was flying.

by sdrone on May 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

That sounds like what Dan Fox built at Baseball Prospectus, no?

Aside: Fox was one of my favorite saber writers of all times. His insight was tremendous without being condescending.

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by azruavatar on May 24, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

500 comments by 1pm and it's not even an afternoon game

congrats gents.

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

To be fair, it's mostly just you

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i didn't want to pat myself on the back

but if you insist…….

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"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holliday injury update from non-STL source...
ScottMCBSSports‎ Matt Holliday says quad is still sore and thinks he’ll miss at least “a couple” games. Doesn’t think he’ll need to go on DL.

by Ghostrider520 on May 24, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

because i'm tired this House MD comic is probably 10 times funnier to me than it should be.

http://i.imgur.com/XlweM.jpg

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"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."
@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't worry, I find it pretty damn funny too.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I'm tired of people making these same jokes about House

I’ll quote myself on the subject of House from a while ago in response to one of these same stupid “House is formulaic” comics.

The show is not about the patient. It’s never about the patient. Patients come and go, they’re temporary. The two primary reasons that the show is awesome are a) great dialogue and b) the development of the storylines of the permanent characters. Often the patient’s problem is related to what’s going on in the overarching plot — like the episode where House is grappling with the fact that the woman he loves comes packaged with a two-year-old child, while the patient story is about a dying mother, her grown daughter, and the newborn baby that the mother is leaving behind as she dies from cancer. The fact that the mother has two types of cancer that masked diagnosis because one was bizarrely treating the other one — it’s just not that important, in the scope of things. It’s just a source of drama and “OH NOEZ!” moments.

Many people who seriously criticize House for being formulaic are people who have sat down and seen maybe 5-10 random episodes completely out of order. You can’t watch House that way. The overarching plot of the season is the driving force of the show, and if you have no context for what’s going on between the characters in a given episode, then the important stuff seems like background noise.

by mojowo11 on May 24, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't watch it yet

I usually wait for the whole season to pass and then watch them end-to-end without commercial breaks for about 2 straight days. Yes, I binge watch House.

by mojowo11 on May 24, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My DVR cut out the last 4 minutes.

Just audio no video. My rage knows no bounds.

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by azruavatar on May 24, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think complaining about House being formulaic is kind of like saying no TV show will ever be good enough to not complain about

I still enjoy poking fun at the conventions and patterns and archetypes of entertainment media, because that kind of self-awareness is hard to avoid in the internet age.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't mean to sound like a complete buzzkill

But I’ve literally seen at least three different comics (and that’s just comics) about this same thing. Here’s another one. Funny the first 10 times…now just sort of tired.

The structure of House isn’t even unusual. Take Firefly — same basic show structure. A different job each week, but the job itself wasn’t really the point of the show. Or Buffy — different monster each week…again, not the point of the show. I’m sure we could think of a dozen more shows like this. Yet for some reason people have latched onto House and its one-patient-per-week thing as being problematically formulaic. I find it pretty unfair.

by mojowo11 on May 24, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think it's a sign of the show's popularity, for one

You only see a large number of people who are intimately familiar with a show to the point where they can be that snarky about it if a lot of people watch the show.
Also, I find the comic you linked to really funny too. It’s win-win for me!

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda like House, I should have mentioned that

I also like comics that make fun of the things I like and point out the silly parts that I am comfortably aware of.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dozen more shows

ER
The Good Wife
All 27 Law & Orders (well, some less than others)

by SouthsideCardsFan on May 24, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got so tired of Law & Order, in all its incarnations

But I do enjoy imagining Ice-T saying generic Law & Order lines, like “man, this perp’s a real scumbag!” with that slight lisp of his.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

to me, the main reason to think that all this BS about boggs needing to retool as a starter is just that, goes like this:

it’s may 24; three months ago, we found out adam wainwright was getrting TJ surgery. nobody tagged boggs as a potential starter then. nobody stretched him out and gave him starting chances.

our need for a good starter was far more acute then than it is now. if nobody in management said, “let’s give boggs a try” then, why are they saying it now?

the only thing that makes any sense is that the bullpen is too big – with tallet returning – to keep the aging vets and the kids on board. either the team had to DFA franklin or batista or they had to demote one of the younger players with options. the club chose to try to salvage whatever they can from franklin and batista, at the expense of mitch boggs. it’s really as simple as that.

if everybody is just itching to try mitch boggs as a starter now, what has changed in the last three months?

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

One of our pitchers is pitching injured

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carp, maybe?

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by spants on May 24, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no real evidence of that, though

Velocity’s fine, peripherals are fine… Dunno. Just conjecture

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

now I keep thinking about that thread where we joked about Paletta going on the field with the cart

“show us where Paletta touched you…”

I need to stop with this thought-production thing.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

why was lance lynn getting reps in spring training as a starter and mitch boggs wasn't?

if the club thought lance lynn was a better starter than boggs three months ago, why are they looking at boggs as a starter now? lynn has been fine in memphis and has been the best starter there, easily. lynn has a 2.89 FIP at memphis per statcorner, and a 2.5 K/BB rate.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Boggs is a starter just to get more reps

to work out his issue with consistent mechanics. It doesn’t mean that he’s now starter #6.

by SouthsideCardsFan on May 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm.
"Somewhere along the line every season there is usually a need for some help in the rotation," Duncan said. "He’ll give us the opportunity to bring someone up with major-league experience starting games. It’s good for us and it’s good for him."

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

just because they are able to do that. . .

if needed, doesn’t mean that he is now only a starter. In other words, there is no inconsistency in what Duncan said and what Mo said.

by SouthsideCardsFan on May 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, they are two different kinds of transparent bullshit.

i guess that makes them consistent?

look at the current bullpen. explain to me why mitch boggs, out of all these guys, is the one who needs to work on his mechanics, and not the guys who are stinking the joint up pretty much every time they pitch.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

*cough* bullshit *cough*

The simplest explanation for all of this (which is almost always right) is that Mo didn’t want to cut Batista or Franklin and Boggs had options and was pitching worse than Motte, Sanchez, and Salas, so Boggs was the one to go.

The rest of the story is just socially-accepted lying.

by Willie McGee's Twin on May 24, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes. we have seen these kinds of stories covering for less attractive management decisions too many times.

“he needs to stay in memphis so he’ll get regular playing time” is way up at the top of the list.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

shrug

You’ve got two different decisions:

1) The decision to send Boggs down.

2) The decision to have Boggs start in AAA rather than relieve.

You can make an argument for decision #1 based on performance – during May, hitters have a 350/364/650 line against Boggs. It’s not like Boggs has the body of work that would convince you that he is likely to get back to being the reliever that he was during April/May, which was a very good one.

That, however, is not the decision that I was discussing. To me the more interesting decision is #2, which is completely independent of decision #1. To me there are three possible explanations:

A) The Cardinals believe that Boggs, who has historically had trouble repeating his mechanics, is better suited for starting because the routine helps alleviate the trouble that he has repeating his mechanics.

B) The Cardinals really do want to get him more work, and more consistent work in the minors, and they believe that having him start is a better way to meet those goals than having him relieve.

C) They believe that Boggs is their best bet as starter #6, which will almost certainly be needed before the season is over.

B makes perfect sense to me. A makes sense on some level, but seems to clever. C makes very little sense at all.

by SouthsideCardsFan on May 24, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah

TOO clever (in the last line).

by SouthsideCardsFan on May 24, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry, did you just quote me the batting average against, on-base against, and slugging against

numbers of a pitcher who has thrown FIVE INNINGS in may?

five innings? like less than a full start for a starting pitcher. that’s like saying that random starting pitcher A should get sent down because he got lit up in a single start.

that proves absolutely nothing. you are using a rate stat to describe 7 hits, 2 of them for extra bases, over five innings.

i don’t know or care much about your distinction between starting and relieving at memphis, since it’s plain to me that the decision was done to avoid demoting franklin and batista.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

the decision has almost nothing to do with Boggs

somebody suggested yesterday he’s likely to be traded, which sounds plausible.

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by nota bene on May 24, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

His 14.3 April/May IP are that much more predictive. . . Why? Look, Boggs is a fringy pitcher who has had about 6 weeks of success as a major league reliever. This isn’t vintage Lee Smith getting demoted.

by SouthsideCardsFan on May 24, 2011 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

he has about 100 innings as a reliever. look it up.

i don’t think he has to be lee smith for it to be objectionable to demote him while batista and franklin linger on the stage.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

And about six weeks as a successful reliever.

by SouthsideCardsFan on May 24, 2011 8:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

boggs has a lifetime 3.96 FIP as a reliever in 99.2 innings.

for traditionalists, he has a 3.79 ERA. he has a 2:1 K/BB ratio and a 51.9% GB rate.

i’m not going to split hairs about what you subjectively call “successful.” he’s basically been average as a reliever. that’s what he’s done. and that’s comparable to or better than batista or franklin’s career numbers as relievers.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

proof?

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by stlcardsfan4 on May 25, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they think that

 he might keep his reliever fastball velocity.

by sdrone on May 24, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zach Cox up to AA, Niko Vasquez demoted to A

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I realize that the Cox is old news (lololololol)

But I hadn’t heard about the corresponding move yet

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need to simultaneously waste a cost-controlled year of Freese and start Cox's arbitration clock early

Unless the Cardinals feel like Cox is truly ready and that Freese is overvalued by the trade market

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Cox's clock already started

Does the Arb clock only start when you are on the Active roster? I thought it counted 40 man roster time.

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by StLHugo on May 24, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, active roster...

for service time.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on May 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Works on contingency basis. No money down."

“Works on contingency basis? No, money down!”

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by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Care to join me in a belt of scotch?

It’s nine thirty in the morning!

Yeah, but I haven’t slept in days. [Glug, glug]. Last chance!… [Glug glug glug] Oh yeah….

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

with carpenter/freese/cox

it’s going to be interesting. Really wish one of them would go to second base.

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

anybody can play se...

is this meme over used yet?

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Long live the Queen!

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok, that looks really terrible

But I was referring to Elizabeth II

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

lulz

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure you were

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

New favorite .gif, or new favoritest .gif???

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

THE BATMAN
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@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh wait this is way more relevant,

THE BATMAN
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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love that scene.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zach Cox itching for september callup.

would be interesting to see him/carp/DD/freese/greene/SS we sign or trade for competing next year in ST.

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

would we be interested in

mapping out everyones location, sort of like this

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

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by spants on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have someone Greenland!

They are cool.

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by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suggested this like 6 months ago but was too lazy to do anything with it

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record

I’m not offering to do it. I’m just throwing it out there. I thought that since azru was all touristy recently maybe he would like to add that to the blog.

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will offer up my child's first name to whoever does this.

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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooops i meant first child's

THE BATMAN
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by CodyG on May 24, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty awesome

I wonder who is located in the middle of the Beaufort Sea?

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've bookmarked it.

I’ll add it to my to do list but if someone else gets ambitious, go right ahead.

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by azruavatar on May 24, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

P-D Water Cooler Discussion on Boggs

Take it away lboros:

Makes absolutely no sense. Boggs has the lowest walk rate in the Cardinal bullpen and the best strikeout/walk ratio. He stranded all 6 of the baserunners he inherited. Only Fernando Salas allows fewer baserunners. Boggs is also second in innings pitched, behind Salas. Tony and Dave have been rightly concerned about where the innings are going to come from in the bullpen, but this move makes the problem worse.

In a Water Cooler not long ago I wrote that Boggs had become a fair approximation of Chris Perez. The analogy continues. For whatever reason Tony and Dave never had confidence in Perez, and they seem to feel the same way about Boggs. He was dominant for the first three weeks of the year, but after one bad outing he got banished to the rump end of the bullpen. I don’t get it. The only thing I can think of is that he wasn’t inducing enough groundballs (just 42 percent). But the bottom line is he was one of the two or three steadiest relievers in a very shaky bullpen. Dumb move.

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by bgh on May 24, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

....hope restored

/continued from up-thread

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm...

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by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

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@Codeeg

by CodyG on May 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't get it

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on May 24, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol wut

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

awesome to the max

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so glad we got Berkman

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, The Brewers

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6583786

About 1,400 lawn ornament statues depicting the Milwaukee Brewers’ affable, mustachioed mascot were hidden in Milwaukee and other Wisconsin cities early Tuesday morning, some with tickets, prizes and player autographs attached.

The team had used social media to give fans clues about where they might find the statues so they could claim one early Tuesday morning, either at 5 a.m. or 7 a.m. local time, depending on the location.

The Brewers probably weren’t expecting early morning fan stakeouts, Internet auctions and isolated reports of lawn-ornament hoarding. It didn’t take long before social networking websites were buzzing with complaints about fans staking out workers and snapping up the statues as soon as they were hidden.

WISN-TV reported on its website that lawn ornaments distributed at Milwaukee’s Lincoln Park were snapped up in minutes.

One Twitter user posted a photo of at least 10 statues stuffed in the trunk of a car, drawing the ire of fellow fans. Several of the statues were up for sale on eBay, with bids topping $200.

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by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

stupid brewers

never underestimate the power of the twitters

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on May 24, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say it was stupid

I actually like the idea. Just that people are stupid

by FlimtotheFlam on May 24, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was stupid of them to underestimate the power of the twitter

I agree, it’s a good idea. Just poorly executed.

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by scoot on May 24, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR allows Lohse to stay over in Petco with "excite" Mat Latos
“I know you usually don’t let us have friends sleep over on a baseball night, but it doesn’t make sense to make them go all the way back to their hotel when they could just stay here with us,” Padres pitcher Mat Latos was overheard telling his manager while standing next to St. Louis Cardinals pitcher and “new best friend” Kyle Lohse. “Plus, their manager already said it was okay.”

Link

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'll bet Latos and Lohse stayed up all night drinking Orange Slice and playing old Super Nintendo games

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It got really boring when they started playing Chronotrigger though

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whaaaaat???

Boring as in, “no game is this awesome so let’s quit while we’re on top”, is that what you mean?

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's boring to watch other people play RPGs

Chronotrigger is my favorite game of all time

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, phew

Maybe they got it confused with Secret of Mana and thought it was two player. They could still trade off though, and go for all those crazy alternate endings.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever played Seiken Densetsu 3? AMAZING

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually have a translated ROM floating around somewhere

I keep meaning to play some more but the translation isn’t perfect and there are about a dozen games I’ve been meaning to play more of for years.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you have just become cooler in my book

You ever play it on the DS. It has little cut screne animations that are pretty awesome.

by FlimtotheFlam on May 24, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, only played on my computer

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

They tried for a while to get 100% completion in Donkey Kong Country but gave up halfway through

because Latos was all, “hey, NBA Jam time?” And Lohse was all, “well, only if it’s… FROM DOWNTOWN!!!”

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was really hoping this was legit.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony La Russa is totally the strict manager who won't ever let his players sleep over on a game night.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lohse was all like

But Tooonnyyyyy i pitched like 8 innings tonight. And i didn’t play my gameboy in the dugout.

Has your mother sold her mangle?

by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I asked Carp when exactly he evolved into Gyarados, but he didn't seem to think it was very funny.

Maybe he just doesn’t like water type Pokemon.

"When a pitcher's throwing a spitball, don't worry and don't complain, just hit the dry side like I do." -- Stan Musial

by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

epic.

DanUp revises his last draft again

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

still not sure how I feel about Bill Simmons

but this takes him a long way in my book (which isn’t finished yet)

by STLRegalia on May 24, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Have you seen the SI article on Macho?

Link

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by mysterui on May 24, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm disappointed that no one has claimed that picture of young Randall Poffo in a Cardinals uniform for their avatar.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fairly certain Prince Philip

called him something racially offensive at least twice during his visit.

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're both lefties

Not optimal for doubles partners.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

We saw this on the Italian news.

And I’m fairly positive my host dad didn’t think it was that funny but me, my roommate, and our host sister (who is about our age) were all cracking up at the table.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

thinking about the bragging rights

of the frat boys that beat obama and cameron at ping pong

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
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by prophetjohn on May 24, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think there will be any frat boys

at a school which probably cost upward of twenty grand a year to attend.

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

cause the minute they said 'brah'

they’d be whipped by school master. Who probably still wears one of those stupid hats and has a cape.

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean they have frats at Vanderbilt and that costs like 45,000 a year.

Also are they even frats in the UK? I know there are sororities in Canada but that’s about as international as I thought Greek life got.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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by ClemsonGirl on May 24, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No there aren't

Brits are too cool / socially awkward to socialise like that.

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

also on the money thing

if you go to a prestigos private school in this country, most of them have a long history and so you’re expected to have some sort of self respect.

Hell my high school was just a comprehensive and that was founded in the 17th century.

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i know

its just a different culture here. Frats just don’t exist.

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

quit rubbing the cost of your schools in our face.

At least we drive on the right side of the road!

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

our schools? i could only dream of going somewhere like that

Christ i could bitch and moan for hours about the fucked up nature of the school system in this country.

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

20k in pounds or dollars?

I paid around $20k per year with room and board factored in and our school had tons of Frats, but while I could have afforded $40k if I wanted to get some loans I just didnt feel like doing the effort to even get accepted to a school like MIT much less do the work once I got there.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on May 24, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

jeff gordon.

you predictable bastard.

“tony la russa told me that the yellow water he poured on my leg was lemonade!”

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

"...discarding veteran pitching in May is usually a bad idea."

Did he mean to write, “discarding terrible bullpen pitching, which is utterly replaceable, in May is usually a good idea”? Because that’s the only way it makes sense to me.

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by mattybobo on May 24, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, this is too easy
Once those pitchers are gone, they’re gone. Pitchers returned to the minors for further work remain a phone call away. By keeping veterans and relegating a younger pitcher, the Cards are hoarding assets.

More like troubled assets. I didn’t realize Ryan Franklin and Miguel Batista were inclued as part of the government’s TARP program. I think we’ll see better returns from our AIG shares then from those two guys. Hey-o.

by lightbulb on May 24, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So many zingers

so little time

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

toxic assets

My favorite words are goodbye, and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on May 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this line.
Management can allow asset management and player development concerns to drive its decision-making. In this case, the Cards’ field staff wants to see what it has in lefty Brian Tallet and afford veterans Miguel Batista and Ryan Franklin more opportunities to locate their command.

“Here, command! Here, here, command! Has anyone seen my command?”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOST COMMAND

Answers to ‘Franklin’, ‘Frank’ and ‘Franky-poos’
White with black spots, or Black with white spots
Last seen 1st October 2010
Reward: $50

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just trying find the command

has anyone seem my command?
where’s that confounded command?

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by Evilfrog on May 24, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

that whole column was just wishful thinking

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: may I say, what in the fucking fuck?!?

I finally go to the Royale to try this much-ballyhooed Garlic Dippy Melt, and they’ve changed their menu and removed it. You’re supposed to keep me informed of these things, VEB.

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by mattyp on May 24, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

It was still there a month ago!

What the shit!?!?!

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

still on the on-line menu. what the shit?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see the Dippy Melt, but I was led to believe it is not the same as the

garlic dippy melt.

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by mattyp on May 24, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

(crosses fingers)

I don’t think Josh will ever go there again if that sandwich is gone.

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by spants on May 24, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

a Yelper also says it is different, now served without garlic aioli

maybe you can just ask to substitute that old sauce

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by mattyp on May 24, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus, I found the old description of the garlic dippy melt in a VEB comment

and it differs from the new description. How strange. Someone needs to get to the bottom of this!

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by mattyp on May 24, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tweeted steve. I don't like the sound of this.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent

I await with bated, hopefully garlic-tinged breath

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by mattyp on May 24, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

conclusion

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the name of needlessly boosting my post count

i think its only right i wish the Cards good luck tonight. I hope they do many things, but not that thing, no, not again, just do a thing. Gawd.

Anyway, i’m out. GO CARDINALS.

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by Aranathor on May 24, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

...but they won't do that...!

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on May 24, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So still trying to figure out this Boggs thing...

How come Duncan is so sure Boggs is going start a few games this year?

The only tradeable starter would be McClellan. Lohse has a no trade clause, Wainwright can’t pitch, Westy didn’t sign to get traded, Garcia is untouchable, Carp would probably luggage MO….

Or do we see Boggs take Carps spot and Carp go to the pin? Is there a bigger trade in the works?

I’m so confused…

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by Red Blazer on May 24, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Carp to the pen...to close out games....

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by Red Blazer on May 24, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

RE: Operation Thursday

I see that a certain fishy team plays their game at the Giants at 2:45 CDST. And of course the Busch Stadium fortune-telling event is at 7:15. So, there should be plenty of time to inundate the aquarium with nonsense.

by Lambtron on May 24, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Arthur Askey

is the most annoying man in the world. Even though he’s been dead for 30 years, he still lives on to drive people crazy in film.

by DiscoJer on May 24, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

this rules

"You made me live a lie, Tony," Paquette says, "and it ends this morning. Not everybody can play second base."

by nota bene on May 24, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Pre-Gamethread Appetizer

I thought I’d put together another thread since this one will soon surpass 1,000 and we’ve got a bit of time until the first pitch for tonight’s game. Feel free to join.

LINK

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on May 24, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Danup, are you saying that, because Walters throws a screwball-change

that he’s an honorary southpaw? Because, last I looked, he throws righty.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on May 24, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

yes, that's exactly what he's saying.

"chipper jones grounds out, third baseman albert pujols to first baseman mark hamilton." 5.1.11 "carlos pena grounds into double play, second baseman allen craig to shortstop tyler greene to first baseman albert pujols." 5.12.11

by tom s. on May 24, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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