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DO NOT OPEN, Secret Road Trip Diary, TOP SECRET

April 7—Dear Diary,

So we started our road trip, and things are totes awkward right now. Tony keeps saying Ryan Franklin's okay to drive but he's also all you-never-ask-directions and Frankie just keeps driving west and it's kind of creeping me out, because he won't make eye contact with any of us. Earlier Colby looked at him driving and then at me and after like a hundred minutes he told me to Google "elephant graveyard" on my Sidekick, which I did, but all I got was pictures of elephants. 

Meanwhile everybody's pissed off because they aren't hitting. Mr. Pujols has been caravaning alone in that huge truck he has ever since Lance was all, "I bet you could get to San Francisco faster if you took Route 4-6-3." LOL! Ryan Theriot told me that we wouldn't ever score again unless he started hitting dingers, so Big Mac is happy about that, I guess.

Plus I left my DS charger at the Motel 6 in Laramie and when I asked Frankie if we could go back and get it he just screamed for five solid minutes so I have to listen to all of it. We could use a "slumpbuster", which is what Mark Grace called breaking out of a slump by getting several hits in the same game. 

- Kyle


April 8—Dear Diary,

Jake Westbrook says that, being a sinkerball pitcher, sometimes you pitch better when you're walking a lot of batters and allowing home runs.

Frankie's been abusing the spectravision, and he keeps watching the part in The Outsiders where Dallas gets shot by the police on purpose, but he said he'd stop calling me Ponyboy if I didn't tell anybody about it. 


April 9—Dear Diary, 

Wouldn't it be cool if you were a horcrux? If this was Kyle Lohse and the Chamber of Secrets you would be a horcrux, and eventually I'd have to save Alison Brie from you with a basilisk fang, except I don't know where I could buy one, even a replica. 

- Kyle

Do not be alarmed by my spectral fountain pen's sudden play across the pages of your Pepysian chronicle! It is I, the first horcrux of Christy Mathewson! I've been following your tergiversational return to the Cardinals' active squadron with no small interest, which must come, I admit, as no "great surprise" to you, aware as you must be of the way I enjoy "reclaiming" struggling pitchers from my astral "dugout", given my experience with

do you have magic

Star-divide

Some, I must modestly admit, claimed that my "fadeaway" in-shoot could have come from no source but Endor, but I assure you it's nothing more than "elbow's grease" that allowed me to pitch within such narrow pinches!

look I have to go beat brian tallet in 70s-co-rec-volleyball or whatever it is he's dressed up for but okay I'll stop walking people

Quite! 


April 11—Dear Diary,

I am the best. I took your advice and stopped walking everybody, and then Barry Zito took the opposite advice and started walking everybody, and everybody was so excited by me going 1-4 that they got some other hits, too, except for Mr. Pujols, so he keeps watching the part in The Outsiders where Ponyboy (not my nickname any more!) hides out in that abandoned building. 

Writing this on the way to Arizona. Frankie was in a good mood so he picked up this hitchhiker who was just kind of standing out there in the desert, LOL, so we have company now. Colby says that hitchhikers aren't any more dangerous now than they used to be like back in 1990 or whenever, it's just an attribution problem. Plus he likes the way he throws his axe. LOL, I mean his baseball. 

Thinking about changing my name to Sergio Romo Lohse. 

- Kyle


April 13—Dear Diary but especially Chris Matthews horcrux,

Diary, it's like Ryan Theriot says: We're never going to stop scoring runs. Lance's power level is over 9000, LOL. He told Mr. Pujols a joke about hitting into double plays and then they high fived, which, wow. I haven't felt this great since that time in the Ten Millionaires Club when Matt and I told Alex Rodriguez there was a centaur outside and he asked whether he was "bounding majestically upon the grounds." Tony let us stop at IHOP and I got like five nutella crepes, and I've just been eating them ever since. 

Horcrux, could you let me know if you ever had this happen when you were pitching in "The Olden Days"? The hitchhiker showed up tonight and we were going to have to toss him out of the locker room, because nobody's allowed in there since we're all naked in there sometimes, but then he walked over to a locker that I swear was empty and pulled out a jersey that said Sanchez on it, and then he said, "Yes—this is my name, now, Sanchez," and basically I think he's the ghost of "Pedro" Martinez, come to haunt us after he died in that accident where Shea Stadium collapsed, or something else illegal. 

Dear boy, if there are no ladies present I should dare recount a jest once made by our field general, John McGraw, The "Little Napoleon of Truxton-town." On the occasion of The Ironed Man, Joe McGinnity, curling a shutout while suffering from what was, it turns out, a fatal bout with what was known then as Arm Consumption, John McGraw, The "Short Man Who Managed Very Well", said to "Old Six", "Six, I don't care if he is a devil, so long as he's 'turning the old screw' in our direction!", joking of course about the sacrilegious short novel by that man James, although I must add as "The Christian Gentleman" that if he is an actual devil you ought consider my "field manual" on exorcism, "Exorcism in the 'Pinch'", which can be got at 

dude he threw a slider that was like a curveball or something and it was awesome


April 22—Dear Diary That I'm Totally Gay With, 

Blah blah blah about pitching and such, and sometimes my handwriting is bad and other times it's really ornate for some reason, I'm Kyle Lohse and I'm a big dweeb who loves to ride bikes and hurt himself #justplayin


April 26—Dear Diary That I Write About All The Girls Who Like Me In,

Apparently it's totally cool to steal somebody's diary while they're writing about their road trip and then give it back when your team is in town and be all, "#justplayin, Kyle," like thanks, man. Brandon Phillips wouldn't even tell Nelly I said hi, but we're home now and we just won two games against the Reds, which is a big deal. 

Ryan Theriot says we'll be pretty good forever, now, and I agree. We've stopped never hitting, and we've stopped always hitting, so now we're just going to hit most of the time. I told Colby my theory and he just didn't say anything, but he's pretty dumb sometimes. 

I looked back at some of the earlier entries, especially the one Ryan Franklin wrote in red ink even when I told him not to open anything labeled TOP SECRET, and man, we were really overreacting back then. So my plan is basically to never overreact again, which should be easy since we've gotten over the weird stuff already. 

Also I found a Bryan Augenstein action figure in Sanchez's locker, can you tell me about it? 

its me the first horcrux of ryan franklin. did I do this right

kyle man pick up the pen

the action figure is a voodoo doll you dolt eduardo sanchez has trapped me in this book

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Brava!

My only quibble is with the ending – it’s totally unrealistic. Franklin comes in at the end, and it doesn’t go on for another hour?

by Fajen on Apr 26, 2011 6:26 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well, technically

Frankie is still talking at the end.

by sdrone on Apr 26, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love your Kyle Lohse.

Eating Nutella crepes, sipping orange Slice, inadvertently playing with magic.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't ever want to meet Kyle Loshe

for sake that he is not exactly like this.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman

by pattimagee on Apr 26, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

YES

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

favorite part
Thinking about changing my name to Sergio Romo Lohse.

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lohse

DanUp’s fictionalized Kyle Lohse makes me want to meet the real Kyle Lohse. Although, I’m sure it would be disappointing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

i'm pretty sure danup is 90% to blame

for all the irrational (now justified!) hope that i had for kyle lohse over the last two years when he sucked

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

DanUp did make Lohse endearing.

No question about it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

the real one will give you a great haircut.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan F. Ludwick

hit two homers last night, the second of which was the final hit of the game. It sure looked like he crushed it, yet it only just barely carried out of the cavernous PETCO Park.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

and all he got for it was a shaving cream pie to the face

and drenched in beer.

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's all?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's it man

teams gone broke.

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've got a 'pie' for ya....

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

;=8)

Griebenschmaltz!

by The MooCow on Apr 26, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Groan

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions

by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

RFL!!

never doubt the streakiness.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got a Ryan Ludwick home run badge!

woo!

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 26, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ah, this makes me so happy

but i bet he misses the st louis walk-off punching, the padres seem pretty tame in the celebrations

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

They only hit 18 home runs a year

so they’ve not quite sure what to do….

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Catch by

the real Denorfia at the top of the inning wasn’t bad either.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that like

Ludwig von Ballhitter?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

Thanks, I love these literary genre exercises. I still think of “Notes From Undermound” sometimes to cheer me up.

Stay Gold,

YOG

by YearOfGlad on Apr 26, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

dingdangolewisdomisunderappreciated

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Leach:

Bonus stats to accompany this story.

* They’re seventh overall in P/PA (something I address in the story), and yet they’re also swinging at the first pitch the sixth-most often.

That last one, I think, reflects what TLR wants and what they’re doing. When you GET something to hit early in the count, jump it. If not, grind out the at-bat.

by TBender on Apr 26, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I like it

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions

by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

For those of you who were concerned by shelby's poor outing yesterday

Word on the street is that he got hit by a line drive early in the game. Control problems began after that. Not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 26, 2011 9:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

[weep]

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

but look how he's kicking ass now

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean this guy?

Plus I left my DS charger at the Motel 6 in Laramie

by martimeryard on Apr 26, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

If ALL the wildness happened after being hit.....

his manager should be fired on the spot. How do you let a kid stay in the game THAT long, if he is ineffective, and it might have to do with getting belted?

by Stanley1 on Apr 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well

He was ineffective in the second, with a HBP, a WALK, and 3 wild pitches.

He then threw two scoreless innings before again losing control in the 5th. I can’t find any reference to being hit by a liner.

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's carp's new pet project

he leaves the game just because of some liner, there’ll be suitcases in the tunnel

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have not seen when the hit by liner was supposed to have happened

But two separate guys at FR mentioned it

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 26, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My favorite line
Jake Westbrook says that, being a sinkerball pitcher, sometimes you pitch better when you’re walking a lot of batters and allowing home runs.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, yes it was.
dude he threw a slider that was like a curveball or something and it was awesome

by TBender on Apr 26, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Dan, I need to ask you a question
do you have magic[?]

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

That was my very favorite line.

by peach concrete on Apr 26, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

DanUp, this is fabulous work sir.

The fact that you can continually come up with posts like these is mind-boggling to say the least.

the action figure is a voodoo doll you dolt eduardo sanchez has trapped me in this book

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha, great read

i think it was worth the sacrifice of your journalistic integrity to break into Lohse’s locker to share this with the world.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Any old school punk fans out there can join me in sadness!

Adios, Poly Styrene!

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I know, I posted a tribute link on Facebook...

Oh bondage up yours, indeed…

:=8(

Griebenschmaltz!

by The MooCow on Apr 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good man (cow)!

I was beginning to doubt VEB’s cultural-awareness!

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg

one of the Fresh Air music guys on NPR was just talking about her releasing her third album, Generation Indigo, yesterday at the end of the show. He also commented on the fact that she had breast cancer which had spread to her lungs. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t aware that she had died (probably wasn’t aired live, anyway. I’m guessing he recorded his segment a few days ago).

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Apr 26, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Al at BCB hire a sabermetric dude...

to introduce certain concepts to the blog? It didn’t work.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Al is saying...

that Castro should be moved up in the lineup b/c he did X in 50 at bats in one spot and Y in 50 at bats in another spot. He’s just a stubborn guy…

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Cubs are really quite terrible.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is he hitting in their lineup? 7th?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

They did a thing last night...

where Darwin Barney batted 2nd, Castro 3rd, and Jeff Baker 4th. Marlon Byrd, Soriano, and Soto hit 6-7-8.

This Mike Quade seems like a strange fellow.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's their best player...

They had a really good chance to change things around, but they’ve gutted the system for Garza, and now I fear/hope they will misspend all the money they’ll have available this offseason.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Misspend?

Mang, I’m insulted!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like...

a 8/250 for Pujols and a 4/48 for Buerhle coupled with a January trade of the rest of their system for James Shields. Everyone will ooh and ahh and it will all amount to 85 wins.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see them sign

Buehle to that contract

check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos

by Dttl89 on Apr 26, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The second half would be.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I don't.

One need only read the article on steroids and aging players. His reasoning is often lazy and regularly disingenuous. I do not disagree with the overall premise that PED testing (steroids and amphetamines) has had an effect. But, I suspect it has affected the entire player population. As for the aging player and the lack of production, I would suggest that it has always been true. Bonds is the glaring example of a roided out superplayer who does not see age affect his production, but there are many other factors one must consider. His job is to write about baseball and he puts out this half-baked drivel that raises more questions than it presents answers. If he were thorough, it would save me time because I would not have to investigate myself. Instead, we have the Verducci conclusion supported by what appears to be a pretty selective use of evidence (but it isn’t even really evidence because it is so vague).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judging from what Buehle has said about playing for StL

I think he could be had for peanuts. Not that I think he should sign for peanuts, but ya know, the whole baseball-being-business cliche. Both 4 and 48 are a little much.

by martimeryard on Apr 26, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the time we get him

he won’t be worth having.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 26, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can be had next year excluding a trade

Figuring his sentiment and the club’s knack for signing gritty players. Mark Buerhle = gritty (yeah, i said it). He could be the Aaron Miles of pitching. I think it’s only a matter of time before he’s in a Cardinals’ uniform.

by martimeryard on Apr 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will we need him?

Wainwright
Westbrook
Garcia
Lohse
McClellan
?Lynn

Not sure there’s space for another starter unless there’s an injuiry somewhere.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"unless"

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

when your best player is putting up

1.3 bWAR and earning near $20mil you need to seriously reconsider your franchise

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's all?

I thought it was more for some reason

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions

by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Through 2014...

but the patented 2015-2020 extension might come down any time.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

he’s been pretty awesome for about the last year or so. I’m not quite sure he’s done yet. It’s a horrible contract but he’s not going to be quite as horrendous as I think we all thought a couple of years back.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols hit 410/439/821 in the 6th spot in 2001

LaRussa has been misusing him for 10 years!

"Defense is important to this team," second baseman Skip Schumaker said.

by Hootie Who on Apr 26, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

leadoff.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 26, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vaguely remember that

Was it you and Harry Pavlidis from BTB responding to (especially) Al and some guy named Timmy Cub or something like that?
I can’t believe I remember that considering how much shit I forget, but it was pretty entertaining.

by BTown Birds fan on Apr 26, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Elaborate

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs

by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

it involves your mom

(hopefully that’s still the cool thing to do)

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 26, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

rui's mom is still the cool thing to do, yes.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

More evidence on players performance past age 35

Verducci’s latest gives one pause when thinking about an 8-10 year contract for Albert (but then I think most of us knew this already)

link

by CRay on Apr 26, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I think most of us were concerned before Verducci wrote about Derek Jeter and Miguel Tejada.

I may write something up on this Verducci piece, but, in the year 2003, Barry Bonds put up the following line:

.340 BA/.529 OBP/.749 SLG

If one takes bonds out of Verducci’s chart, I wonder how much the numbers sag.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

it would be a pretty easy analysis to do.

There’s massive selection bias here. Not to mention — most of the people caught doing PED’s since the testing began are pitchers, so why isn’t that an analysis that’s being done?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find that to be puzzling.

Everyone focuses on the sluggers, except for Clemens, when the pitchers were clearly juicing, too. As you note, the testing has resulted in a larger share of pitchers being caught using PED’s. The effect of this is rarely considered by anyone who is lamenting the breaking of home run records.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

so when is DanUp going to watch Avatar

no, not the blue one.
better hurry up, they’re already making noises about the next one.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm still mired in the second season somewhere

Used to watch it when my wife had call nights, but that hasn’t happened for a while, so I keep forgetting.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that Earth season is where everyone gets mired up

then someone dies, and you don’t even realize it.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I've finally seen all of them

not in order, unfortunately, but that’s how Nicktoons re-runs work (they usually have two different time-lines going).

By saying “noises about the next one” do you mean they are talking about making the Earth book into a live-action movie or are there noises about another cartoon series starting up? (I’d watch either, I just wish they hadn’t revived Power Rangers).

by ArkansasTravs on Apr 26, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

new one. I'm trying to stay spoiler-free, so far so good.

er, I hate to break it to you, but Power Rangers is older than most of us, and there are a billion of them.

Nick was awful about Avatar. I was shocked. No one knew that the finale was even airing, and it was pretty epic.

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know Power Rangers is old

I mean the new ones they are producing now, Power Rangers Samurai. The acting/dialog is just as bad as it was 15-16 years ago when my daughter made me watch them. Now the grandson thinks I need to watch along with him.

by ArkansasTravs on Apr 26, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

The day the American version of Power Rangers premiered when I was in third grade was a pretty spectacular day. I was the perfect age for it, and had a background of watching Voltron, Godzilla movies, and this obscure Hong Kong movie called Inframan, so the weird Japanese-iness seemed not weird at all to me.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bianca LaRussa Raiders Cheerleader

Tony must be so proud!!!

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by Dttl89 on Apr 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

heh
If she’s anything like her dad, Bianca will use five dancers on a four-dancer routine, move the worst dancer up to No. 7 in the dancing order and have Buzz Bissinger follow her around and write a deifying book about three days in the life of a cheerleader.

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by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is like VEB Groundhog Day.

Which is odd because we were quoting Groundhog Day yesterday…

by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Do you have life insurance?

Because even if you do, you could always use a little more, amiright or amiright or amiright???

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Memphis playing Iowa on MiLB.TV right now

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Astros broadcaster Milo Hamilton talks about Berkman.

He has some less-than-genuine things to say about Lance…

Link.

“He got in excellent shape by hiring a trainer, and if he had done that the last couple of years he was here, guys, he could have finished out a really fine career in Houston — if he’d had given that same dedication”
“I just want a simple answer: Why did you think it wasn’t necessary to get in shape your last couple of years as an Astro, and now to a team you didn’t even know, a manager you didn’t play for, you felt it was your responsibility to get in great shape? And it’s paying off. Look what’s he’s doing. He was Player of the Week last week, and I don’t remember when he was Player of the Week as an Astro.
“I didn’t really call him out, but I told everybody what a great guy he was,” Hamilton said. “My big thought was if he thought it was important enough to get in shape for the Cardinals … if he would have done that two years ago, he could have played his whole career with the Astros and ended up here as an ambassador like Bagwell and Biggio. He’s got no future here now.”

Apparently this guy has never heard of someone who is heading down a bad path (fitness, injuries, etc.) having the wherewithal to self-correct. I don’t think Berkman would be playing this season if he wouldn’t have gotten himself into shape. Retirement would have been inevitable.

by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing is

I have heard the same thing from Houston fans. They are so mad he is hitting well for us.They seem to forget they traded him and than didn’t sign him in the offseason.

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 26, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

careful,

they vote. we could end up with a curfew because of this comment

by BVHeck on Apr 26, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy is an Astros broadcaster?

If he is, then one would think that he would be better informed about the Astros and their player moves. He also probably would not reference Berkman’s last couple of seasons with Houston.

In 2009, Berkman posted the following line:

.274/.399/.509/.907/.386 wOBA

Berkman sustained a knee injury and the Astros dumped him—along with Roy Oswalt—for prospects, ostensibly in a rebuilding effort. This opinion essentially has no foundation in any sort of fact or logic, other than the fact that Lance Berkman was a bit pudgy throughout his playing career and not especially focused on working out. Sure, that changed last offseason, but it wasn’t for the Cardinals. It was because the Astros cast him off due in part to his health and salary and he finds himself on the free agent market, looking for a job. So, he works out and gets a one-year, prove-yourself type of deal. His career is in the balance. I don’t think it was “for the Cardinals” so much as it was “for Lance Berkman’s career.”

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by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

Even if he was in good shape

all he would have done was bring in better prospects

by martimeryard on Apr 26, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do find it interesting, though

That he chose St. Louis over the Rangers, as the Rangers seemed like a much better fit and would have given him the outside shot at posting a better offensive season in that ballpark.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess we can only conclude

That Lance Berkman has something of a sweet tooth.

by mojowo11 on Apr 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever actually had Texas BBQ

it can do both at once.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 26, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wonder if the idea of playing with albert pujols has anything to do with it.

i bet there are a lot of players that think about things like that.

plus – better fans, better history, etc.

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by IHeartBoog on Apr 26, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

started^

would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

they weren't when berky signed his contract

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by IHeartBoog on Apr 26, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true

also, they don’t have the best 1B in baseball…

It’s possible he literally just went for the best deal and they weren’t prepared to go to $8m I guess.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

the story is that they offered him more money, but since they didn’t land Cliff Lee he thought they were an “average team”. Even still, they have an above average offense and they play close to where he lives. Clearly he thought the Cardinals were a better contender than the Rangers, World Series ’10 run aside. And, pre-WW-TommyJohn, he was probably right.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i think the last sentence sums it up.

That said, I’d say we probably had more chance to make the playoffs (due to a weak division) but the Rangers are probably a narrowly better ballclub with Berkman.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it was a strauss article at the beginning of the preseason

berkman said a large part of coming to st. louis was his faith. i remember adam wainwright being a big reason why. he seemed attracted to the cardinals players being family oriented and christian.

by YesWeOquendo on Apr 26, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he has intimated, somewhere/time

that he really wanted back in the NL Central (partly to stick it to the Astros).

by ArkansasTravs on Apr 26, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I think the comments from milo hamilton above are kinda assholey, and I’ve always really quite liked Berkman, but I kinda think he has a point. Guys who are paid $10m+ per year really don’t have any excuse to not be in top physical condition and I think it’s pretty clear that in his latter years in Houston, Berkman wasn’t. It’s a legitimate criticism that he’s only got himself in better shape now that his “career is in the balance”.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

it sounds like legit criticism

except Berkman’s lousy, injury-filled 2010 would have to be a certain result of his not being in shape. Otherwise the argument falls apart, because Berk was pretty awesome in 2009 and prior.

by mikey_mac on Apr 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true, I don't think

because we don’t know what Berkman’s pre-2009 would’ve looked like if he’d been in top condition his entire career. It’s hard to believe he wouldn’t have been somewhat better. And I think his crappy 2010 had a lot more to do with his knee injury than his lack of physical fitness.

Baseball is a strange game – not sure how anyone can argue that any participant in a pro sport (except maybe darts?) isn’t going to be marginally better, all else being equal, with better physical conditioning, especially if they’re noticeably carrying a bit too much weight (which I’d argue Berkman has most of his career). I guess you can argue baseball is a bit different because there’s less time for cardio training etc. when you play every day for 6 months, but there’s still the off-season and the way he’s lost weight over this last winter suggests to me he could (and probably therefore should) have done that earlier in his career.

This applies to the likes of Prince Fielder, Ryan Howard et al too…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, Hamilton is complaining about Berk's dedication

when, outside 2010, he was actually pretty ridiculously good. Why complain about his dedication if his OPS is top-10? I don’t see a justification. I’ve got to think that the guy OPSing .950+ knows how to prepare himself to hit a baseball, whatever his physical appearance.

by mikey_mac on Apr 26, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like cards fans circa 02-03

complaining about JD Drew
except the whole health and conditioning being two different things

by BVHeck on Apr 26, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You basically sidestepped my point, though.

If he was as fit as Pujols, maybe he’d have been as good as Pujols, and an inner-circle HOFer, instead of “merely” an excellent player whilst in Houston.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2011 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

the ladies call it "huggable"

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"got no future here now"

They’ll have a Berkman day when he retires… I don’t think he was ever going to have his number retired, although Houston badly lowered the bar by honoring Jimmy Wynn and Jose Cruz.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the number retiring thing is interesting;

In 10 (and a bit) years as an astro he hit .299/.412/.555 OPS+ of 147, 350+ doubles, 300+ HRs and 1000+ RBI. The numbers are there it just depends on how long (and whereabouts) his career goes on. If he gets another 3-4 years out of his body then he might be less remembered for his time in Houston, if he calls it quits in 2012 or even 2013 and still has a good rapport with the Astros then 17could well wind up on a wall somewhere in Houston.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In pretty much any other era he's a borderline HOFer I think,

if he has a couple more solid years at the end of his career. He had a REALLY good peak as a hitter, one of the best in baseball for nearly a decade, and has always been a surprisingly good defender for a big guy. Unfortunately, he’s happened to share an era with a bunch of other guys who put up gaudy power numbers (many of whom did so in a “questionable” atmosphere of PED use) so I guess he’ll probably get lost in the shuffle a bit.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh
Message to Milo: maybe all those teams that fired you were trying to tell you something. This book reeks with self-pity and self-promotion. Having endured Milo’s tenure with the Braves, I’m not surprised at the tone of this book. Milo couldn’t get along with Hank Aaron, who never had an unkind word for anyone. But apparently Milo felt Hank’s little home run chase was overshadowing….Milo. If he’s still working, I’m glad it’s with the Astros, where he has limited influence and exposure.

burns all around.

by BVHeck on Apr 26, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently MIlo

missed when Lance tried to go back to Houston in the off season and they had no intrest. oh and then there that whole knee surgery thing.

i lived in houston for a bit, hated listening to Stros games…their even more homers than most guys

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 26, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

the big news today

seems to be that we face bud norris and lance returns to houston for the first time as an opponent.

i’ll be back as a VEB regular next week. until then, finals and the end of my freshman year of college await.

by zoomzoomj88 on Apr 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

good luck!

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck on your exams, zoomzoom.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get out now...

and count yourself lucky you’ll only have 1/4 the debt of your peers. Truck driving can be very rewarding. Load up the ipod with your favorite podcasts, get a shih tzu to keep you company, an assortment of greenies. That’s the career of the future.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

those things are dog crack.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He must be albums that have to do with green. You know, for his ipod.

Like the Green Album. And Pet Sounds. And the works of Al Green.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ah, freshman year

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think I had an easier college experience than 99% of students

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

that other 1% was your football team, right?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yes

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know, wtf

i’ve been posting like i always have and i’ve only missed on game this season. got 100 on the math test i took today, too

and holy crap she grades tests quickly. i was sitting in the class after that and dude looks over at me and says “she’s got grades posted”

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

its math!

it’s either correct or incorrect, amiright? unless she gives points for showing your work

by BVHeck on Apr 26, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can get partial credit, i think

i wish my calculus professor followed the same logic, though. still waiting on grades from a test i took a week ago

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 kul 4 skul

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's cute

I remember my first beer

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by STLRegalia on Apr 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I lasted about six weeks my first try.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

amateurs

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

just gotta get through it

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever the hell it is, it's controlling his brain...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110424&content_id=18218818&vkey=&c_id=mlb

Manager Tony La Russa emphasized on Sunday that the condition that has bothered him for the past week or so is the result of a non-contagious virus, and not “pinkeye” or conjunctivitis, as has been reported on MLB.com and elsewhere. He continues to feel and look better each day.

If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't be procrastinating anymore.

by hr on Apr 26, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

You would think TLR would go along with the "pink eye" thing even if it wasn't what was ailing him.

“All post-game press conferences are cancelled indefinitely. I have a rare condition of permanent pink eye and you wouldn’t want me to infect you all.”

by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

it can't be infectious if he was still in the dugout

and he looked quite well sunday

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

how can a virus be non-contagious

unless it was genetically engineered for him

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what they keep telling me

I mean, what are the possible vectors for something like that? and they’re not communicable?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shingles is the chickenpox virus.

It was dormant and it reactivated in his system. The only people it could be contagious to are those who haven’t had chickenpox or been vaccinated against it.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

aha

gotcha. so it isn’t strictly “non-contagious”, that’s what threw me off

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

I don’t know why they just don’t say he has shingles. Lots of people get it. It’s not like he has gonorrhea of the face or something.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And medically speaking

Shingles and Chickenpox are a form of Herpes. Learned that in Paramedic class a few weeks ago.

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by mtzxc on Apr 26, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i didn't know that

some information is just not relevant to my life

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of things I know aren't relevant to my life per se.

I just soak up random knowledge.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's fair

i’m not really good at what’s supposedly common knowledge anyway

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i could build RAM from scratch, though!

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That I absolutely cannot do.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm offended by this remark!

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You poor thing.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bourn vs. Yadi should be really fun.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Need our pitchers to keep him close, too

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah cause Kmac was letting guys have huge leads

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 26, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was totally expecting a Cy Norris vs Cardinals career retrospective

threw me for a loop, dan!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Bud Norris career vs. Cardinals: 5-1, 2.27 ERA

Bud Norris vs. all other teams: 11-13, 5.09 ERA

sorry, thats all i got.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

bah, this year Bud Norris will have no power over our lineup

i predict

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

But like a 5.65 ERA in his last two starts.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

regression is annoying

but will he regress to his career line vs cards, or continue to regress to Bud?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's really not that bad

we, for some reason, have this collective idea that he’s some terrible pitcher who somehow always pitches better against us. Up to this season, he’s been a slightly above-average pitcher overall. There would be plenty of weirder guys to be dominated by.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

there it is

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely love to follow the Cardinals minor league system. Love it.

But holy hell, can we please get some hitters down on the farm! Oscar Tavares is out with a pulled hamstring and Zack Cox hasn’t done much so far. Ryan Jackson seems to be playing over his head. Matt Adams and Matt Carpenter have started to come around but neither intrigue me all too much.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

We're missing that guy that we all have to follow on a daily basis.

Oscar Tavares might be that guy when he comes back. Zack Cox will probably start hitting for extra bases at some point, but until then, there is no one else. Boring. At least the pitching part of the box scores are fun to look at though.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Ryan Jackson?

The slick-fielding shortstop who’s hitting .375/.446/.500 in AA?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not that he's not worth following...

its that you’d have to be foolish to expect him to produce like that for a full season.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a half-step up from Kozma anway...

Jackson becomes very intriguing if he continues to hit. If he regresses back towards last season’s Quad Cities/Palm Beach numbers then…yeah he’s not worth following. He’d be just another disappointing MIF prospect with not much value to the big club or to other teams….just like Kozma or Tyler Greene. I’d love to see one of the 3 really take charge and assert themselves as the SS of the future, though.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless i'm missing something

he profiles as an upgrade defensively from kozma, and has hit average or better for the last calendar year, something kozma has never done. I’d say he’s clearly the front-runner for SS of the future at this point.

by mikey_mac on Apr 26, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't use the word "clearly",

I’d say Tyler Greene has basically no chance.
Peter Kozma hasn’t done anything to enhance his chances.
Ryan Jackson hitting well for a couple weeks in AA means pretty much nothing. Its not like he was lighting up A-ball and making an impact throughout his climb. He’s a guy with a good glove who has been hot for a couple weeks to start the season. Lets hope it continues, I for one, don’t think it’ll amount to much. Hope I’m wrong. Personally, I think we’ll continue to trot out the Ryan Theriot’s, David Eckstein’s, and Cesar Izturis’s of the world for many more years unless they land someone new through the draft.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Count me as a Ryan Jackson non-believer also

It’s an intriguing start to the year, and he probably has to be seen as a genuine prospect again given he’s done it at AA, but he has an absolutely FREAKISH BABIP, even for MiLB. He doesn’t need to hit much to be useful at the major league level, given he’s reportedly an above-average SS defender, but I think Cesar Izturis (from the right side) might be a fair comp. Still, that wouldn’t be too bad – Izturis was just about league average for a year or two, and if you get that out of (I think, from memory?) a 5th round pick, it’s got to be a win.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with everything you're saying

which I think makes me a Jackson believer — the only difference is that I think his ceiling may be a bit higher, based on his walk rate and how he has seemingly improved as he’s progressed up the system.

by mikey_mac on Apr 26, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose I'm saying I think he'll turn into the sort of player

you can get on the FA market for about $1m or so, like Punto or (I guess) Greene will be. Which is fine, but it doesn’t really save you much money or have much value.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2011 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's always had a good glove.

He dropped to the fifth round because of his liability at the plate. Now, he’s had a hot start, but we’re talking about a guy who’s never played at that level for more than a week in Rookie or A ball. Sure, if he could be a .300/.375/.440 guy in AA he becomes a prospect to watch. But I don’t think he’s someone who’s going to do that, just based on reading his scouting reports and watching him play a couple of times.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put it this way

If we had any GOOD SS prospects, Ryan Jackson wouldn’t even be playing in Springfield. Such is the state of our middle infielders on the farm since we traded away Adam Kennedy 10+ years ago.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

he may not ever be on a top-50 prospect list

but a great glove at SS and a .359 OBP in his first full season is worth our attention, hot start this season or not. To me he profiles as our best middle infield prospect at this point.

by mikey_mac on Apr 26, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well sure

But that’s like going to a used car lot that’s next to a salvage yard and asking to see the “best car on the lot”. It’s probably not a slightly used Cadillac.

He probably is our best middle infield prospect. Because we have 0 middle infield prospects.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh. now we're playing "what is a prospect"

if Jackson finishes this season with that same .359 OBP and good walk rate at AA, I think he’s on the Cards’ top-10 list.

by mikey_mac on Apr 26, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well sure

because he’s a SS and if he can hit with a .310 wOBA he’s all but got himself a roster spot.

But that doesn’t mean he’s any good and it CERTAINLY doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be actively looking to improve that spot in our minor league system. Look, if he was a true “prospect” than he’s a guy you expect to hit arbitration hearings at the big league level. I’ve yet to see him be good enough over more than a couple of weeks to even merit having that kind of conversation.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m rooting for the kid. But he’s not a guy who I could definitively say: “Yup, we’ve got a future MLB regular on our hands there”.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Answer this question:

Would Ryan Jackson being in your farm system keep you from signing a 30 year old veteran SS who’s been average his whole career (think David Eckstein) to a 3 year contract this offseason?

I sure as hell hope the answer is no. And if it’s Yes, then explain yourself.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

so that's how you define good?

MLB roster construction hypotheticals involving a prospect who has played 16 games at AA and is not yet 23?

The guy’s got a real chance of making the bigs at this point. That’s enough for me to think he’s a good prospect, and I’m going to leave it at that.

by mikey_mac on Apr 26, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm. . . no

Good field, no hit guys like him are a dime a dozen in the minors.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 26, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

good field, yes

no hit is something yet to be determined.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, I suppose

although putting up a 366 OBP as a 22 year old in low-A isn’t the rarest or most impressive performance in the world.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Apr 26, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, but it's not bad enough that we should just dismiss him like a dime a dozen

especially not as far as his start in AA is concerned.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

you have a particularly high threshold for what makes a prospect

hmmm, maybe I’ll do a fourstick-style AppealToAuthority©

I think almost all, if not all, professional prospect evaluators would consider Ryan Jackson to be a prospect.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep hearing that he's been able to play defense, as SS, at the major league level already

I think that alone makes him some kind of prospect. If those reports are true, he could at least be a cheap back up middle infielder today. That’s not worth a ton, but it’s worth something.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if he can hit a little

Or hit good enough for a short stop, then all of a sudden he’s a cheap option as a starter potentially. Obviously he’s not going to keep up hitting almost .400, and it’s at AA. But still. It’s something to watch.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think nothing of it

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, sure

But if he can actually hit well, after adjusting his swing (or approach or whatever it was he is doing differently), after everyone assumed he was all-glove, he’s suddenly a really exciting prospect. So it’s fun to follow.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is Jocketty fault

I’m sure of it.

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by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, i kinda hope we don't just draft a bunch of hitters this year because it's an organisational need

the draft looks REALLY strong on pitching and I still think we should go down the “draft the best player available” rationale, although I agree that a couple of exciting hitters would make the farm a bit more interesting. I also really hope we don’t pick up too many low-ceiling-bullpen-y type guys, because we seem to have a ton of those right now (not that that’s a bad thing, but I don’t see people like Joe Kelly and Seth Blair having a ton of trade value in the future).

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

also to add to your list

Cody Stanley – I don’t think he’s going to be the next Brian McCann or anything but I think he profiles as a possible above-average catcher, which is useful given that I think Yadi will be more or less finished as a starter in the 2-3 years it’ll take him to get to the majors.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should nearly always draft

the “best player available”. The teams that do this seem to be the ones that have the best farm systems.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Red Sox draft last year was sick.

to hell with the slotting system, and just literally draft the best guy each time. They ended up with like 5 possible first-round-type talents IIRC…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a lot cheaper to pay guys big, one-time signing bonuses then to overspend long-term with free agents

Obviously it’s not exactly a total either/or, but it pays to spend on the draft.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Apr 26, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Schalke stand a chance against ManU?

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

is there a Sporting blog, or whatever?

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah there are plenty

The Daily Wiz is their SBN blog

The Sporting Way is the official team blog, which is actually really good

They both have blogrolls, where you can check out other ones

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daily Wiz?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't ask me

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have gone with:
NOBODY BEATS THE WIZ

“Nobody beats us, because we’re the Wiz! We’re the Wiz!”

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No more Seinfeld references with the name change

Curse you owners!

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, why not.

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Well, on paper Man U ought to be vastly superior and they are clear favourites. Schalke have played terribly in the Bundesliga but have played well in Europe. Classic SSS situation. Yes, they walked all over Inter but that could be deceptive.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Neuer’s absolute class

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And honestly, ManU is perfectly fine with a 0-0 away result

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

But JESUS, how many chances do we need?!?!?

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, chances yes.

Goals, no. This is a frustrating game. Wierdly only two or even one of the chances have been actual misses, Neuer was just ridiculous in the 1st half.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why Neuer is awesome

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soccer would be a lot more interesting...

if they added an extra foot on the goal all the way around.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go again!

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's so clearly the right thing to do...

I can’t believe it hasn’t already happened. If you just watch five minutes of a soccer game the thing that jumps out is how ludicrously hard it is to score.

A pro soccer game should average about 6 goals a game. That’s one every 15 minutes – enough to prevent me from going to take a leak if I care about the teams. They should widen the goal until the average hits 6.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the sport's done okay for itself just the way it is

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This strikes me as a sort of silly argument

I could just as easily say that I find baseball too boring and they should move in the fences/shorten the basepaths until teams average a combined 20 runs per game.

I don’t see how me wanting more scoring makes it “so clearly the right thing to do.”

by mojowo11 on Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

1.5 goals per 90 minutes...

versus 8 runs per 9 innings. Lots more stuff happens in baseball.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Define "stuff"

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soccer has all three of those things.

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What you're actually saying is
Lots more stuff that I find interesting happens in baseball.

If fast-paced scoring was the only interesting thing to watch in a sporting event, both baseball and soccer would basically be fucked.

You don’t like watching the jousting and ball movement and positioning that takes up most of a soccer match (for the record, I don’t either). That hardly suggests to me that the sport should be changed, it just means you don’t like the sport much.

by mojowo11 on Apr 26, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This kind of argument...

basically nullifies any basis ever for changing anything about a sport. You could trot this out anytime someone suggests a rule change.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

In most top european leagues there's an average of 2.5-3 goals per 90 minutes.

and, even as a baseball fan who doesn’t care much for soccer, I’d argue that a lot of the stuff that goes on in between the scoring can be more interesting in soccer.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think in baseball

a pitcher’s duel is a lot more interesting than a zip-zip soccer game. It’s because when there’s a pitcher’s duel, we can very clearly see someone succeed: the pitchers. and there’s big swinging Ks that make you say “Oh shit, that was nasty!”

There are great defensive plays in soccer too but too often, it just seems like both sides failing.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is why...

they don’t revamp the horribly unfair way of allocating the talent. If you took all the players in the UK league, or the Spain league and spread them across all the teams, you’d have suckfest after suckfest. Instead they bunch all the good players together and then those few teams become borderline interesting to watch.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then watch the Champions League

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean, my eye is pretty much always on the offensive team

soccer defense is sorta boring to watch

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would do nothing for the interestingness of the game

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's like your opinion, man

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

...Right

So was his statement.

In fact, most of what I type on here is my opinion!

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it might not make it a better game

but I have a hard time believing that if the goal were a foot wider that it wouldn’t be more interesting, at least in the short run

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess so

But basketball would be more interesting if the hoop were 11 feet tall

And football would be more interesting if the field was shorter

And baseball would be more interesting with shorter fences

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should just let everyone use steroids!

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

goal keepers should really only be able to use one arm

bind the other one up

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball would be more interesting

if the OF wall was at the end of the IF dirt, by that logic.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

is obviously...

enough scoring in baseball. There isn’t in soccer.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

fyp

There isn’t in soccer to appeal to people like me

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apples and washing machines

the sports are incomparable. Football doesn’t have a scoring problem, it has an appreciation problem (in America)

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The game especially sucks on TV...

because you can’t see what everyone is doing. There are too many closeups. If they don’t score and you can’t see the whole picture, what are you looking at? A bunch of guys flopping around and failing 99% of the time.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get an HDTV

Soccer has been much more fun to watch since I’ve had HD.

by TBender on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I obviously can't speak for every broadcaster ever

but over here alot of the game is shown at a pretty wide angle most of the time. Closeups are usually on replays etc. Its pretty comprable to the angle of most baseball games, behind the pitcher. You can see the important parts of the game. Who cares what the opp. goalie is doing when its a corner?

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to claim guayzimi's point as my own but

let me try and re-frame it.

I consider myself a casual fan of sports in general. I watch baseball and MMA avidly. I’ll watch tennis, hockey, football, golf and basketball casually (in that order). I don’t watch soccer. Ever.

The announcers have never given me an appreciation for what is going on. I don’t understand what the players who aren’t actively pursuing the ball are doing. I find the lack of scoring to be mercilessly boring.

If soccer is looking to expand their viewership in America they should be targeting people like me. While that doesn’t necessarily mean that the goal should be a foot bigger, I feel like soccer announcers, MLS and/or the Premier league suck at reaching me, the causal sports fan. That’s soccer’s problem in America, imo — part of it is the game seems boring, which I blame on the low scoring environment and part of it is that the game seems inaccessible, which I blame on soccer in whatever organized form it takes.

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by azruavatar on Apr 26, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hmmm....

In regards to your first point, thats really true of any sort of sports broadcasting, when i first started watching baseball i had very little idea what was going on and the commentators did not really help (admittedly they were usually ESPN guys but whatever). I had to sit with a wikipedia page open so i knew what the stats that were flashing up on screen were and wtf a ‘walk’ was.

The other problem is a general lack of soccer education. What i mean by that is, is FIFA (world football governing body) is not looking to expand into N. America, hence the lack of understanding. Commentators aren’t being instructed to make the sport more accessible, they are talking to their fanbase. The same criticism applies to football as it is shown here though; the difference is that 95% of us know the sport inside out, as Americans know baseball, American Football etc inside out.

On the ‘boring’ front. Part of that is the quality of the MLS, which is frankly dire. The quality isn’t there, most MLS players wouldn’t be in the second division of most European leagues let alone the top leagues. But, this ties into the other issue i mentioned. FIFA is in no way interested in letting the better players move to American leagues and players most certainly aren’t. I know there was a big thing about Beckham, but he was already past his best, as is Thierry Henry. Both excellent players but only moved to MLS to pick up pay cheques cause they were no longer good enough for the european game.

I know there is a big disconnect with the european obsession and the N. American obliviousness and thats a shame. I’ve grown up with soccer and it makes it hard for me to see the ‘boring’ or the ‘inaccessible’. As much as i wish that everyone appreciated the game as much as i do, i know thats pretty unrealistic.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the ‘boring’ front. Part of that is the quality of the MLS, which is frankly dire.

FWIW, I actually have thought for a while that the quality of MLS is unfairly denigrated over here. I think you could easily be watching an English Championship game, and most sides are maybe equivalent to mid-table SPL teams or teams in the top leagues of the “non-England, Italy, Germany, Holland, Spain and France” nations of Europe.

Otherwise I basically agree with all your points.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2011 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

in any case, we agree that baseball is more interesting

otherwise, what the hell are we doing here all the time?

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find baseball and soccer equally interesting in completely different ways

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatever, rui

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is that not a valid viewpoint?

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You realize I used to play soccer and was a fan before 2 weeks ago, right?

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i too enjoy el futbol

except Alianza Lima hasn’t been any good in a long time. But I watch all the Argentine National team games.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly have less access to watching soccer

But I’ve always held the idea that baseball is science and soccer is music. Both beautiful in their own right

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

if baseball is science and soccer is music,

what’s hand-egg?

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i'm on it

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by all4tookie on Apr 26, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

not going to lie

I think I scoffed out loud at the baseball is science and soccer is music statement

what is your fiancee – the earth?

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by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 27, 2011 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

boo

Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat

by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahem; i'm probably the only guy here who is

football (soccer) first and baseball second. But its close.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think JD is a pretty big soccer fan

I’m not hugely interested TBH. Baseball and cricket are my two favourite sports. I get really into the 6 Nations Rugby too.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 29, 2011 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

soccer would be more interesting. . .

maybe if they allowed offsides and you had to be accountable for the other team’s players? I don’t know, I can’t stand soccer. But, this is the most annoying part for me when I do get stuck watching it.

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, that would just encourage cherry picking

Which makes the game less exciting for you Americans

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a false argument

you don’t see cherry picking in basketball

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because there are only 5 players in basketball being occupied by 5 other players, generally

In soccer, there are always 3-5 guys away from the action

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. Offsides is the one thing I dislike.

Don’t want a guy behind you? Don’t let him get behind you, jerk.

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

o/

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

\o

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one thing I dislike is offsides on a deflected shot

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

if offside literally didn't exist in any form whatsoever, the game would be changed immeasurably

you could just literally put three or four players on the other team’s goalkeeper and hoof the ball into the penalty area. I think it’d reduce the skill quotient and turn it into some sort of weird penalty area ruck-fest.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have any problems with soccer as it is right now

But I do think that you could allow on player offsides and not completely change the game. It would open up the middle of the field as you’d have to have one of your backs marking the opposing teams striker virtually man for man all the time.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

should read “….ONE player offsides…”

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure i understand what that means

as in, you should be allowed one player in an offside position, but no more?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like it more with cherry picking

cherry picking in soccer/hockey is not the same as basketball. You still have to beat the goalie. I love watching the one on ones in hockey when a guy gets a breakaway.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That still happens in soccer

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it happens in hockey too

but it would happen more frequently in my version of soccer.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, what's with not using your hands?!?!

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

and headbutting people!?!?!?!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, I'd like both soccer and hockey a whole lot more

if the offsides rule was changed

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What basis do you have for saying that?

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

What basis does he have for having an opinion?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it slows down the game when it doesn't have to

I would have loved playing a lot more if there were no offsides

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see no offsides when the ball is inside the top of the Penalty Box extended.

The defense is packing all 11 players (and a section of fans) into the box anyway, serves them right if an offender sneaks in behind all of them.

by TBender on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soccer would be a lot more interesting

with a flag pole in the middle of the field

"Defense is important to this team," second baseman Skip Schumaker said.

by Hootie Who on Apr 26, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and put spikes on it!

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a hill

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE XFL WAS AWESOME

Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.

by all4tookie on Apr 26, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw man, that should've been posted like 3 hours ago

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

has a picture of ferris wheel been posted to this thread yet?

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

might as well post one in every argument on VEB ever

we love circles almost as much as that guy… you know that ancient greek one that loved circles. Not Pythagoras, the other one.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

double dip?

danup, I have to ask: being that you are a student of creative writing, and that this sort of post is so obviously remarkably creative writing, are you using these posts for homework assignments too? Of course my opinion will not change if you say yes, but I am VERY curious to know whether any one outside of VEB gets it….

by cdb on Apr 26, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I take it back, Walt Jocketty!

I guess he didn’t always trade away our prospects for older vets. Thank Gobs. Via Goold:

former Reds shortstop Barry Larkin sat in a back corner and told me how he expected to be a Cardinals someday, someway (4). In 1998, Larkin reportedly asked for a trade and the Cardinals were in, out and in the mix for his services. At one point, GM Walt Jocketty spoke with the Reds about Larkin, but they wanted J. D. Drew and Rick Ankiel in return for the All-Star shortstop.
link

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus

Aim high

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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow...

were 34 year olds thought to be over the hill in 1998?

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

what type of 34 yr olds?

depends on the sport

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably 34 year old short stops playing baseball considering the context of his question.

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by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

i think lark at 34 was iffy

and in most sports it might be a gamble

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 26, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

in sports not in real life

Kobe is 32, and the media is saying he’s dwindling(but hes played since 18)

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 26, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwindling?

I’d say he’s a bit past his prime, but he’s certainly not dwindling.

He doesn’t have the rise on his jump shot anymore, but he’s skilled enough offensively that he’ll be able to play at a reasonably high level until he’s 35 or 36 I would guess.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he's got years left

Im saying what Ive heard from media….his Knees would be the key point. at least in baseball u could DH

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you still have to have skills to DH too, they can't have faded completely.

I think you can “DH” in basketball — look at the way that the Spurs have used Duncan this season. Or the way the Stockton and Malone hung around WAY past their primes to be effective players. If you have a good skill set and IQ, you can get by when you can no longer do certain things physically.

If you’re Allen Iverson, you can’t. Your entire game revolves around getting your shot off in traffic and being the fastest guy on the floor. When that goes, it’s gone. And you’re done.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

See: Derrick Rose in 15 years

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or 8.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

See:

Every elite PG in the history of the game itself. Stockton being the lone exception, and mostly because Jerry Sloan’s system played perfectly into what he did well, and he was never a “superstar” that had to carry a team.

Which always makes me wonder how Magic would have aged had he not been forced to retire. I think seeing him as a point forward on this mid-90’s Lakers teams would have been really interesting. He wouldn’t have brought the ball up as much, but he could still dictate the entire game in the half court and knock down open jump shots. Plus, with his post-up abilities, he could have morphed into a punishing mid-post small forward.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Kidd's managed to stay effective

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he's not

Go watch Jason Kidd from 2003. Then watch THIS Jason Kidd. It’s not even the same player, it’s not even CLOSE to being the same player .

He’s Derek Fisher now: he runs the offense, sets up good shots with his passing, and knocks down open threes. He can’t beat anyone off the dribble, he can’t get up and down the floor like the did in his prime. The only thing that’s saved him is that he’s morphed into a moderate to very good 3 point shooter so you can’t double off of him, and that’s a transition that he started making in New Jersey. But he could not do what, say, Ty Lawson does for the Nuggets, and that’s what Jason Kidd was in his prime.

To his credit, he’s made a transition that very few players, including HOF level talents like Gary Payton and Tiny Archibald, couldn’t make.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you take this Jason Kidd

and put him on those Nets teams, they really struggle to score any points at all. Go look at their roster for those years — filled with a bunch of cruddy offensive players, good defenders, and Jason Kidd, who single handedly created offense for everyone. There’s no way he could do that anymore, he’s a defensive liability that has to be hidden against other good point guards, and he’s not capable of running in transition for a full game anymore.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

but boy is he fun to watch now

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Apr 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

With the amount he’s improved over his first three seasons in the league, it’s scary to think of what his soon-to-be-arriving prime is going to bring if he can stave off injury.

Not only that, but Chicago has built a team that’s in complete harmony with his skill set. You have a great defensive roster, three different pick-and-roll forwards (Boozer, Deng, Gibson) and shooters like Korver and Deng. All they’re missing now is a knock down shooter that can play defense on other 2 guards and they’re really set. If they had Ray Allen this season they would have won 70 games.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same could be said for undersized players like Barkley.

he got by because he was a great athlete. But once he couldn’t rise up and run the floor anymore, he faded in a hurry.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe baseballs different,

i remebering thinking Aggasi was old, but he’s not…media twists stuff and in certain sports whats considered old might be relative

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 26, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

There isn't a single sport where 34 isn't at least on the downside of your career.

most sports you’re well past your peak, especially if we’re truly post-steroids.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Golf

Might be the exception. I think there are a number of golfers who have done quite well post 34.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 26, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Play well, yes, but not their peak.

Jack only had 4 of his 18 majors after that age. Tiger has officially hit the wall now.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I can't do simple math today. Jack fell off after 36.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I can think of are anecdotes

Because I’m too lazy to do any research on golfers, but Singh and Watson and O’Meara were good later in their careers.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 26, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Mickelson has won just about all his majors after age 34.

In fact, the only one he won prior to that was his first, the ’04 Masters, at age 33.

Vijay, Tom Watson, Gary Player, etc. were all very good players after their 34th birthday as well.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

By, the way, I'm humoring everyone in even considering it a sport, but whatever.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is golf not a sport?

It requires physical acuity. If it isn’t a sport than there are only maybe 4-6 actual “sports”, and baseball probably isn’t one of them.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

being an opera singer requires physical acuity.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with that last part.

I love golf. There’s nothing wrong with not being a sport.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my universe

Sports:
Soccer
Hockey
Basketball
Rugby

American Sports:
Baseball
Football (it’s a real sport if everyone played both ways)

Hobbies, Activities, and other Awesome Things:
Everything else

Driving a Car:

Driving a Car

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Golf is a game

A sport requires defense.

"Defense is important to this team," second baseman Skip Schumaker said.

by Hootie Who on Apr 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's subjective

Chess requires defense, but isn’t a sport.

Swimming is most definitely a sport but doesn’t require defense. Cycling, same thing.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

A sport also requires some sort of athleticism

so chess isn’t a sport.

"Defense is important to this team," second baseman Skip Schumaker said.

by Hootie Who on Apr 26, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that Chess was a sport

And I stand by my points about swimming, cycling, track and field, skiing, etc. NONE of those require defense. But curling and shuffleboard do.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Athletics!

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hear a dozen definitions for sport all the time

i go with: physical ability + objective scoring. Chess is out, no physical ability. Gymnastics is out, no objective scoring.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So would Track and Field

fall under “objective scoring”?

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can time a run

and measure a jump.

if there are judges giving their opinion, that’s not a sport.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, by this definition,

auto racing is a sport, but gymnastics is not.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say neither

Auto racing doesn’t contain enough defense or require enough athletic ability.

"Defense is important to this team," second baseman Skip Schumaker said.

by Hootie Who on Apr 26, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tennis?

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So foot race = just running?

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

reading comprehension?

a foot race is a sport.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, I see now

Nevermind

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

when auto racing has the last lap on foot

i’ll consider it a sport

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be awesome.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Particularly when the leaders park their cars and start running

but other drivers are still going around the track trying to reach the last lap

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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just go do a 30 lap race at the nearest go kart track,

and see how you feel the next day.

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Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 26, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's physical.

But is it a sport?

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by spants on Apr 26, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not a sport if you sit on your ass

it’s just not

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, crew? not a sport?

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by IHeartBoog on Apr 26, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean, if you think auto-racing crosses the threshold of "physical ability"

i don’t just mean hand-eye coordination or reflexes. Video games are not a sport, either.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOAH

you crossed the line with that video game comment.

"Defense is important to this team," second baseman Skip Schumaker said.

by Hootie Who on Apr 26, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you video games if you give me pinball.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love me some pinball

o/

"Defense is important to this team," second baseman Skip Schumaker said.

by Hootie Who on Apr 26, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

some golfers peak in their 30s

I don’t know much about golf, but I think I’d be right in citing Mark O’Meara and Vijay Singh as examples?

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiger Woods climaxed at 33, 34, 35...

Hell, he’s probably climaxing right now.

by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Meh.

I don’t think he’s done yet as an elite player. The question is whether these young long hitters like McIlroy, Dustin Johnson, etc. are going to be able to overpower courses the way that he used to and keep him from winning any more majors.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sense of humor, fourstick!

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so either.

It was a sex joke.

But being serious…I think there are players on tour that are as talented or more talented than Tiger is right now but the real question is whether they have “it”. “It” is the “fuck the world, I’m winning everything” attitude that made Tiger so great and caused fellow golfers to wilt.

by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we were all climaxing

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

:D

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by spants on Apr 26, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

WE ONLY HAVE A FINITE NUMBER OF TOWELS PEOPLE

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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree, but guayzimi

seemed shocked for some reason. Sports dont reflect real life though.

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Apr 26, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Golf

There are a lot of golfers that hit their peak around age 34-38.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

only if you go through the cardinals page first.

its weird…he’s like right at the border of qualifying….i think he’s short like .3 PA’s

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Must have a minimum of 3.1 plate appearances per team game.

The Cardinals have played 22 games, so Holliday is short by .2 PAs.

Whatever sense that makes…

by Ghostrider520 on Apr 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why he's not clutch.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, he's got 68 PAs.

He needs 68.2 PAs to qualify.

Tonight, he’ll be qualified.

I just guaranteed a Norris no-hitter.

by TBender on Apr 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he should go count his money until he qualifies...

(please know I am kidding…)

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Apr 26, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting piece about Bullpen management by Leach

Alot of quotes from La Russa

Link


“If you’ve got a bunch of left-handed hitters and you’ve got a left-handed reliever, you might get your closer in the eighth inning and the left-hander gets them in the ninth,” La Russa said. “I’ve done that before, with [Rick] Honeycutt. But the bullpen works when guys have, as best you can, identified roles, and you pitch them to their roles.”

so Boggs is TLR’s man for the 9th?

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

well yeah

Just sshhh. We aint saying it yet. Honestly I think he doesn’t name the closer so it will be easier to swap in someone else if he struggles a bit.

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's Duncan's, apparently...well, probably...okay, just maybe
After Sunday night’s game, pitching coach Dave Duncan confirmed that Boggs was the team’s primary closer, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch’s Joe Strauss reports.

Recommendation: Since Ryan Franklin was demoted from the closer role Tuesday, Boggs has done nothing but impress. Sunday’s save against the Reds was Boggs’ third of the week in as many tries. “I think you present an opportunity and let results take you where they take you,” Duncan said.

Take the vagueness and unicorns for what they’re worth.

by mojowo11 on Apr 26, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

And this pretty much confirms my suspicions of how he handles his bullpen: You put the guys in roles you think they can be successful and then pitch them when those situations come up.

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by fourstick on Apr 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there an easy way of deleting all the files

and uninstalling all the programs off a computer? (Except the OS)

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

i would

but i don’t have the OS disk. Company laptop (not mine)

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

So... stolen.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

They want the laptop back and chances are they’ll remove everything anyway. But they want the previous user to remove everything anyway.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineup for the post-Pujols Era

Theriot SS, Jay RF, Holliday LF, Berkman 1B, Rasmus CF, Molina C, Punto 2B, Descalso 3B, Garcia P

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Oooohhhh

Interesting

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd sure like this better with Freese in and Craig healthy.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why no Freese, I wonder

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Handedness, maybe

Norris has about a 4.65 FIP against lefties and 4.00 against righties

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

but denarfia can't hit

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's like a tiny platoon split

most pitchers are more pronounced than that.

I think it’s just the getaway day lineup, bizarrely at the start of the series…

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe with Albert out, TLR decided to rest Freese and pin his hopes on Jaime.

Then will deploy the full squadron the rest of the series.

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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's about an average platoon split

And the difference between Freese and Delscaso is a lot more than that of the average platoon split.

Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat

by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

any word on what happened to APu?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hamstring strain

they were calling it “tightness”

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

precautionary

why not let Jay play a little also. good idea

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes me scared

Pujols is out of the lineup the day after an off-day? Is that hamstring okay? Or is TLR taking one of his patented Who Gives a Fuck© days?

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's only on the 3rd day of a series

somethin’s up

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 26, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, I don't think it's surprising for Albert to be out. He said it was a possibility for him to miss a game or two.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

protecting him from cy norris

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

with Punto and Descalso in it?

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's awful.

So, we’ll probably score like 30 runs.

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah.

This is a vintage 2010 lineup trotted out by TLR to keep the Norris mystique alive.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Apr 26, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

this lineup reminds me of last year

not much past rasmus. Lets hope Garcia can get a few hits tonight

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's already got his one big hit for the next month or so

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't your house floating away? What are you doing here?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm on a hill

if it floods here, everyone has a problem

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw Poplar Bluff in the national news.

good luck!

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're in the news!

finally!

The last 2 mornings I’ve woke up, looked at the water over my driveway, and called in. I’m not going to take any unnecessary risks

Also, my uncle is famous now!

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did your uncle get interviewed on cnn or something?

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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is my uncle

he’s the county sheriff. The picture was on a foxnews article

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

but defense!

think of the defense!

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by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

punto, descalso, garcia

barf

If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I'd be so rich that I probably wouldn't be procrastinating anymore.

by hr on Apr 26, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't diss Jaime

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

...Theriot, Jay

This lineup suddenly kind of sucks.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot hasn't been bad

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Theriot is the #6 SS in the majors as far as OBP goes, which is the only offensive stat I care about for him.

Just ahead of Reyes, Escobar, Rollins.

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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

this reminds me that i am re-reading moneyball

after about 5 years. i understand and appreciate the book so much more now than i did then.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Apr 26, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't read it and don't know if I will.

I keep my baseball reading to the internets, generally.

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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's worth a read.

As is Baseball Between the Numbers.

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by spants on Apr 26, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah, I'm sure it is.

Maybe this summer…

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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh boy...

here we go putting crap players at the top of the lineup.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

soo...

you bat Jay 5th here?

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

you puke

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't take Freese out...

when Pujols is also out. We made this same mistake when Holliday was out. I’d personally play Freese and Hamilton over Denorf and Jay, but if Jay has to play I’d move Rasmus up and Jay down.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I'd rather see Hamilton at 1B

and keep Jay on the pine

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by STLRegalia on Apr 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

is hamilton with the team?

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by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

beats me?

thought he came up when craig and skip went on DL. me might have been moved down without me hearing of it

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by STLRegalia on Apr 26, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still looks pretty good

Where is Freese?

Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat

by vivaelpujols on Apr 26, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those ankles can only play about 2 of every 3 games apparently.

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by azruavatar on Apr 26, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is when we really miss Allen Craig's bat

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by azruavatar on Apr 26, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone is interested

Here is a video of Keenan w/ Brian Wilson and some other dude

"Defense is important to this team," second baseman Skip Schumaker said.

by Hootie Who on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

who?

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

YouTube sensation

Teenager with a rare growth disorder who lip-syncs to pop songs and records it. People find it hilarious/adorable.

Unless you meant Brian Wilson, in which case he is a person that is attached to the best beard in baseball.

Or unless you meant the other dude, who is Cody Ross, sorta okay outfielder who plays for the Gigantes.

by mojowo11 on Apr 26, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Brian Wilson

until the so utterly annoying beard shit

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still like him.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, it's just celebrity. His amuses me.

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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sport doesn't need celebrity

i’d would have been okay with the quirky beard thing, until he had to go and do those stupid effing commercials

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a question of the sport needing or not needing it.

hell, the world doesn’t “need” the sport. It’s all entertainment. If it entertains you, enjoy it, if not, ignore it like I ignore soccer, nascar and golf.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard VEB doesn't need mattys either.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Brian Wilson is really, really good

I mostly like Wilson because I know that it’s all just an act, and he’s probably a fairly normal dude with a good sense of humor. I appreciate him toying with the media and acting like a fool for my amusement because I think he’s fully conscious of what he’s doing.

by mojowo11 on Apr 26, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me rephrase my comment

I like Brian Wilson, the pitcher. I just hate the beard.

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm dying my beard jet black this weekend for a game at US Cellular

I grew one for tax season and decided to keep it until the game…I only wish it was anywhere near as awesome

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by STLRegalia on Apr 26, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF...it's the damned season,

and all we can talk about is soccer and basketball?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Apr 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

yesterday was an off day, jerk

we talked about the lineup and AP’s hammy too

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by scoot on Apr 26, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lobsters are basically sea roaches...

you shouldn’t eat that stuff.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

roaches don't taste nearly as good as lobsters

"Why are you here? You should be mowing Albert Pujols' lawn right now." - Conan O'Brien to TLR, after noting he was in the audience for Bob Costas' benefit show.

by Evilfrog on Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is correct

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

we still have rui's mom

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's not a prospect anymore

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by Solanus on Apr 26, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

she's like lance berkman

old, cast off, and trying to revive a career by jacking dongs

by BVHeck on Apr 26, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

i know

broke my z key skipping through kicky foot and shooty hoops

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We decided on bouncy hoop

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The hell we did.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

that name is even stupider than the sport

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

...meaning rooey decided on bouncy hoop

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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, i'll rec it

another supercool hot-tastic DanUp triumph!

In other quite enjoyable news, our favourite hitch-hiker’s current FIP is 0.04. He’s also got 0.4 WAR in 7 IP, if anyone cares about reliever WAR (which I really don’t).

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate DanUp's brain

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, OT (somewhat) -

Now that Yadi2’s meme-list of about 2 years ago seems to have fallen by the wayside, just when I need it, I have to ask – what’s with the Chris Denorfia meme?!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 26, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

it's just resting.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Apr 26, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

is that Mike Shannon?

he looks rather dashing

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now HE looks like a chipmunk.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I had photoshop, I'd totally blend Shannon and Brie...

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by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE HORROR

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by spants on Apr 26, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

200 new comments from when I left for my 3:30 meeting and got back

I knew the shit had hit the fan in some way or another

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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that seriously what you got from the conversation?

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

for the most part the arguments were 1) soccer is fine, you have the problem, and 2)expanding the goal is bad because moving in the wall in baseball would be bad.

Let me ask you this… if, all other things remaining the same, the sport had more shooting and less pass-pass-pass-ball deflected away, AND a few more of those shots went in, wouldn’t the game be more interesting to watch?

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Because the quality of those shots are going to be terrible

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, "is," not "are"

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I didn't see the second part of that sentence

I don’t think that it would make the game more interesting, but I can certainly see why a lot of American fans would find it more interesting.

Why should the sport change for a tiny amount of the population where it’s been immensely successful in almost every other country for decades?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like soccer isn't really popular...

because of the sport itself – it’s as if the whole world needed to decide on creating a proxy for war and an outlet for nationalism/sectarianism, and soccer became the agreed upon sport.

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 26, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn't change my argument, really

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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other words

“people are going to watch whether it sucks or not because of the nationalist implications, so fuck it”

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like

“There is no reason to drastically change a game that 95% of the world is perfectly happy with”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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by mysterui on Apr 26, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your argument still stems from the fact that you, personally, don't think soccer is sufficiently interesting to watch

I think peoples’ point is that suggesting that the rules of a major sport should obviously be changed because you personally have a hard time getting excited about it isn’t a particularly compelling argument.

by mojowo11 on Apr 26, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I've figured out why most Americans don't like soccer - it's because we're fat, for the most part

We don’t want our athletes to look too trim and fit. It would explain the gradual disinterest in the NBA in the last decade or so.

by peppermartin on Apr 26, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might be a touch overweight...

but I don’t like soccer because it is boooorrrinnng aaaassss fffuuuuuuccccckkk. The same reason I don’t watch cycling, poker, marathons, or any olympic event. If people like it thats fine, I’m glad they can find the same joy in something that I find in baseball.

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so disappointed

I thought there was going to be a monster at the end of the diary

by peppermartin on Apr 26, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Well there was voodoo.

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by spants on Apr 26, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like one of my favorite books as a child

link

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by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew that's what you were linking to

Whenever I read it to my grandson, I have to do it in Grover’s voice. (Well, actually, his mom (my daughter) and aunt (other daughter) are more insistent than he is about the voice.)

by ArkansasTravs on Apr 28, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Freese isn't also hurt

But if he’s healthy, this lineup makes no sense. Why sit him two games in a row and the day after an off day? Descalso hasn’t been able to hit big league pitching but yet he’s been in the lineup multiple times it seems like in almost every series. I think Tony views him as Aaron Miles 2.0

by mick311 on Apr 26, 2011 6:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Sssshhhhh

Its still cool to like Descalso

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it?

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought it was...

the guy did come off the farm, unlike Miles

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to give him time to prove he doesn't suck

i still don’t want him in the lineup in back to back games

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've had great luck with that site posted in Flims second fanpost.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Apr 26, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

got it first try!

weird cos i had a hell of a time with that game on fox. ended that the game became available before i got it working

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've eaten so much fast food in the last week and a half or so

i wonder if my liver is beginning to pickle

fuck it, i’m hungry and don’t feel like going to HEB

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

happy GDM day everyone

well freaking done Dan, my favorite part? why thank you for asking, it’s

Horcrux, could you let me know if you ever had this happen when you were pitching in “The Olden Days”? The hitchhiker showed up tonight and we were going to have to toss him out of the locker room, because nobody’s allowed in there since we’re all naked in there sometimes, but then he walked over to a locker that I swear was empty and pulled out a jersey that said Sanchez on it, and then he said, “Yes—this is my name, now, Sanchez,” and basically I think he’s the ghost of “Pedro” Martinez, come to haunt us after he died in that accident where Shea Stadium collapsed, or something else illegal.

Balls

by gdm426 on Apr 26, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Aw Crap, he's back

Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes

by mattyfrommo on Apr 26, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

crap

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU'RE

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

not good, not good at all mate

hence the radio silence. i don’t want to be a constant buzz kill, sometimes its best to just keep quite. i’m sure y’all are as sick of my craptastic life as i am so there’s no need to keep beating the dead horse

also, drink up!

Balls

by gdm426 on Apr 27, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I missed a soccer discussion!

Americans suck. Man u>schalke. Ingrown ass hair>Rooney.

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Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 26, 2011 7:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Oh come on

we’re back to the Brandon Phillips argument, as much as you hate the guy, you can’t say he isn’t a good player. Except in Rooney’s case its less Phillips and more 2002 A-Rod

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's good

But nowhere near where some would lead you to believe. Having said that, I wish arsenal had another striker of his caliber. But no him. Because ingrown ass hair>rooney

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 26, 2011 7:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh come on, really?

the guy works tirelessly on the pitch. Drops deep, defends well. He can play literally any attacking position, left wing, behind Hernandez or as a lone striker. He can cross, he can head and he can over-head volley past Joe Hart. He is the best player in the Premier League, maybe he’s not Messi (this year), but he is damn, damn good.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, to each his own.

I don’t even think he is the best on his own team(van der Saar)

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 26, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mark Hamilton is never going to get an AB

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 26, 2011 7:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

no, probably not

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark Hamilton shouldn't even be on the team

I wonder if Tony is seeing how long he can go without using Greene/Hamilton to see if he can actually make 14 pitchers work when Tallet/Augestein come back.

by mick311 on Apr 26, 2011 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm joking, but no, Hamilton is essentially wasting a roster spot right now

and I found it pretty odd he ever got called up in the first place considering he can only play 1 position and is essentially third on the depth chart at first base. So all he offers is the ability to pinch hit off the bench as a left hande…and currently we have plenty off left handed options on the bench. I thought adding Chambers would of made more sense, and I’m not a fan of 13 pitchers, but when Skip and Craig come back, if that means dumping Hamilton and Greene or Descalso to keep Sanchez and Salas then I’m ALL FOR IT!

by mick311 on Apr 26, 2011 7:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

according to Tony via 1120 pregame:

Albert really wanted to play today but the medical staff wouldn’t clear him. He will be available to pinch hit off the bench and should play tomorrow.

by mick311 on Apr 26, 2011 7:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

looking forward to seeing what Punto can do at short

this should be an interesting game

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by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

you read my mind.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not gonna say the other stuff i found in there out loud. promise

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

It’s mainly just dick jokes.

"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar

by spants on Apr 26, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

hah, i ain't judging

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

His UZR playing SS is off the charts

His UZR/150 the last 3 years at SS has been 18.9, 5.0, and 22.2

by FlimtotheFlam on Apr 26, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he gets an opportunity to show it off.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he can pull a boog

maybe the universe will right itself and the riot will move to second

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of

how’s the loveable Brendan doing? BRef says not good.

you're

by Aranathor on Apr 26, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's walking, but not hitting and his fielding has been bad so far (sss)

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

d-dee, it's interesting. I've long been in that camp as well,

but 2nd actually gets more attempts per year than short. Also, Punto is probably more flexible as far as moving around, so a comfortable Punto at 2nd and a comfortable Theriot at short, even with his weak arm costing at times, actually could be a better D than putting Theriot at 2, as strange as it sounds.

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

FREESE IN, THERIOT OUT.

ALSO OUT: WHITE SHOES, SCARFS

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

new lineup:

Jay
Rasmus
Holliday
Berkman
Freese
Molina
Punto
Descalso
Garcia

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Apr 26, 2011 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

I thought Tony just said on the pregame that Freese was sitting

by OCCardsFan on Apr 26, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO RIOT?!!!

I have no reason to watch!!!

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Donde esta mi gamethread?

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 26, 2011 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

BASEBALL AFTER OFF DAYS

LIFE IS AWESOME

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

aww crap, i got the home feed on accident.

nervous about having to switch feeds. proxy stuff likes to be fickle

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

it's dan and ricky

consider sticking with it

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought i would try clicking on "switch broadcast"

now i’m in a world of trouble

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

stream torrent

backup

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 26, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arent the Astros a local broadcast for you?

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure if i had cable

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 26, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

go to a bar!

"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Apr 26, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

gamethread?

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

gamethread here

threadofthegame

7-2-5! Craig to Yadi to Descalso!
I am out of the closet as a member of the St. Louis Riot, 2011.

by a fink on Apr 26, 2011 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Self-admitted LOY candidate

Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions, 2011 Fulmer Cup Champions

by jd is legend on Apr 26, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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