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St. Louis Cardinals 3 vs. Cincinnati Reds 5: The rest of the bullpen

ST. LOUIS, MO - APRIL 23: Reliever Trever Miller #43 of the St. Louis Cardinals is careful not to look Tony La Russa directly in the eye against the Cincinnati Reds at Busch Stadium on April 23, 2011 in St. Louis, Missouri.  (Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)

Putting the current version of Ryan Franklin into one of the highest-leverage moments you could possibly have in a baseball game—two outs, bases loaded, tie ballgame, division rival—is a disaster waiting to happen, but given the way the inning had been managed to that point La Russa found himself without many other options. The Young Pitchers—Derrick Goold called them the K Kids today, which I like well enough—were mostly out of reach; Fernando Salas had pitched, Eduardo Sanchez has been used early and often, Mitchell Boggs and Jason Motte were both used in tight situations yesterday. Trever Miller had missed his mark and a right-hander was up, though not an especially frightening one. 

I think there's a fair case to be made to just play the inning straight, which is where La Russa can be accused of mismanagement. Pitch to Joey Votto, or bring in Miller at that moment, and don't compound an ugly situation by intentionally walking Votto and leaving your relievers less room for error. But once Batista loads the bases and La Russa goes for the lefty specialist, which is a more defensible move for me than the walk—well, sometimes your worst reliever has to pitch in high-leverage situations. 

As to whether Franklin should be even the last guy in the Cardinals' pen, the 40-man roster doesn't show many clearly better options, especially with Adam Reifer out for the season. Blake King is probably not the man for the job with the bases loaded, and after him there's... P.J. Walters? Maikel Cleto

This loss says something about Franklin's return to high leverage situations, namely that it should never happen, but I don't think it tells us anything new about whether he should remain on the roster. Unless you're willing to stretch Boggs again someone underqualified was going to end up in that situation. 

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i apologize if this was discussed in the game thread (wasn't around,

and hard to read through 1300+ comments after the fact), and am also aware franklin wasn’t the only goat today, but how much longer can he remain this ineffective before he’s sent down? also, why was salas only allowed to pitch one inning when he was so effective today? too many pitches last night?

"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully

by threadkiller on Apr 23, 2011 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Salas was pulled for PH Greene

because Yadi was at third with one out.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you for not calling me out for the essence of derp that i am.

/removes head from pants

"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully

by threadkiller on Apr 23, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, I had to go look it up...

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's still a fair question, though.

Not why wasn’t Salas left in — that part is clear — but why didn’t TLR find a double switch when Salas came in that would have kept his spot from coming up early in the next inning? TLR is usually canny when it comes to double switches, and I would really have thought he would have found one there, so that what happened wouldn’t happen.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by StanTheManFan on Apr 23, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

salas threw 3 innings in his last appearance

3 days ago. Probably didn’t want to extend him beyond one inning today.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Apr 23, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess i just don't understand this line of thinking

we have to use our best relievers in our highest leverage situations if at all possible

a reliever should be able to throw 5 innings in 4 days, especially with a 2 day break in between, methinks

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didja see the triple play Houston almost pulled off?

That was wild.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

???

.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live in Texas

…and I just realized that I’m at my parents who have FSSW.

by clank on Apr 23, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walrus just ripped a double into the RF corner.

Might have been a triple if not for his… husky build.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to watch it on MLB.tv

only to realize 3 hours later that I could’ve watched it on tv.

by clank on Apr 23, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check the MLB.tv highlights for it later. Mostly bad baserunning, but a wild play.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

8th, I think.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here it is.

Just your standard 5-2-6-4-2 double play.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

why back to the catcher at the end?

I’m sufficiently intrigued.
Also, Houston now leads.

by clank on Apr 23, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

LITTLE LEAGUE

That’s ridiculous and I like it.

by clank on Apr 23, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ned yost

woulda made that triple play happen.

"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully

by threadkiller on Apr 23, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

what beautiful chaos

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was fail-tacular

was that a hit & run? Lead runner probably should not have left third on that play, but him getting in the pickle was probably not as boneheaded as everything coming after.

The trail runner getting in another rundown was really dumb. (Bonus fail: the pitcher was hopelessly confused as to where he should be.)

To my mind the thing that was really egregiously stupid was the batter dithering btw 1st & 2nd while the trail runner was being run down. A better throw from the catcher and/or a better catch & tag would have gotten the third out; guy was clearly beaten by the throw, with a bad slide to boot.

Whatever happened in Cincinnati, stays in Cincinnati.

by nota bene on Apr 24, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyone see that cubs came today?

i watched the condensed game. big lolfest

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 23, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

what a pitiful end to an otherwise good game

worst part – after the rain delay 4 obnoxious, fugly, fat, dumb, LOUD reds fans sat right behind me. when one of those bitches engaged me i about choked him out. what a pile of worthless assholes..

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 23

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

To cheer you up a bit,

go to the gamethread. Ctrl+F “crushes”

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

NICE! i heard some noise that didn't coincide with a fly ball or anything but didn't know what it was

i almost smoked a piece of shit in the face too but decided that hurting my hand and depriving myself of a couple hundred pictures was not worth it. also, the three other dumb shits he was with would have probably jumped me and i’m, well, a girl. i am glad my trained killer of a husband wasn’t with me

instead, i told him the same thing i told a bunch of the same crowd last year when they started bothering me “people have died for less in st louis, keep talking” and promptly from then on his walrus of a girlfriend will tell him to stop talking every time he started yelling shit. she had some brains

i am tired of people being guests in our stadium not knowing how to behave themselves

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 23

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i've been home for an hour and even had pappy's for dinner

and i am still worked up over that asshole

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 23

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

8 or when sold out mon-sat, 4 on sun

still had pulled pork and the ever wonderful sweet potato fries

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are so fucking hardcore

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know

never in a million years would i smoke a piece of shit

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 23, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

bahaha

that will tell you how mad i still was while writing this

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

keep making fun of me, i'd choke you too

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 24

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i almost smoked a piece of shit

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 23, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know what you mean

when I lived in St. Louis, I used to have to shoot a motherfucker just for screwing up my coffee order. Kill or be killed.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 23, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

finally

we’ve found the upside to the “most dangerous city” articles….

Whatever happened in Cincinnati, stays in Cincinnati.

by nota bene on Apr 24, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

definitely

i can look way more street than I am because I grew up in St. Louis and saw a few muggings.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 24, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

One benefit of going to USC as well

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs

by mysterui on Apr 24, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

this has probably been discussed BUT

did anyone else have a problem with walking votto with a man on second and two outs? the preference was to go 1-2-3 and have votto lead off the inning for miller to face him, but it didn’t work out that way. so instead, we put the go ahead run on base with a free pass. did anyone else think we were asking for trouble by doing that? why not bring in miller and just take care of votto. votto is good, but he’s not barry freaking bonds. we can pitch to joey votto.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 23, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

As soon as I saw it happening

my exact words were ‘Aw fuck!’. Then I just turned the tv off and went out to play in the rain and lightning when I saw Franky warming up.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 23, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

this was more or less my reaction.

just….why do you give the go ahead run a free pass? even if votto hits a home run, we probably get gomes and we’re down one instead of two.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 23, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. Even your best batters make outs 2/3 of the time.

Why give them anything.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 23, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the statistical analysis would say differently

but walking Votto to get to Johnny Gomes didn’t bother me all that much.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you stay away from him.

Don’t throw inside, make him go out and get the pitch. You don’t just give him the base. I guess if you were just dead set on keeping the DP in order it might make sense. If you stay on the outer half of the plate you may get a ground ball to the left side which holds the runner at 2nd.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 23, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who says you use Batista?

Miller’s supposed to be the lefty specialist.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 23, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joey Votto – MVP, actually really great at baseball .394/.500/.620/1.120
Jonny Gomes – Below average hitter,fielder, and idiot .233/.400/.583/.983

whom do you pitch to?

by YesWeOquendo on Apr 23, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it didn't surprise me one bit

and i also didn’t even question it because it was pretty obvious

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 23

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we had pitched to Votto and were burned, there would be outrage

The likelihood of being burned by Votto is much greater than getting smoked by Gomes

by clank on Apr 23, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

i was a bit upset by ph’ing for salas and with greene of all the bench
but it was also a very understandable move

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 23

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

gomes has an OBP of .400?

with an avg of .233?…..does he really walk that much

an OPS of .983 is actually pretty terrific

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs

by mysterui on Apr 23, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

and last year he hit .266/.327/.431/.758

i was surprised by his good numbers too, but last year he was worth 1.2 bWAR while votto was worth 7 with the bat

by YesWeOquendo on Apr 23, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I didn’t have a problem with that. Votto is clearly their best hitter, so walking him to face Gomes who can look awful at times.

The trouble is, with all the wetness in the stadium, I don’t think they had very good control…

by DiscoJer on Apr 23, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

hated the move

hated it

Gadzooks, old man! What in heavens for?

by Li'l Dwayne on Apr 23, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

bonds is no votto, either.

i hear he now wears a size 10 hat.

"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully

by threadkiller on Apr 23, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the size of that "heed"

Damn, I wear a size 8 and I keep hearing “So I Married An Axe Murderer” quotes.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Apr 24, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The time he should have been IBB'd

was his previous AB. Carp had already carved up Gomes twice, they should have walked Votto there, and gone after Gomes.

The other disturbing trend here is that our only LOOGY is suddenly not LOOGYing. He’s allowed a hit and a walk in critical situations his last two appearances and I can’t remember before that.

by ArkansasTravs on Apr 23, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

found it
Lefthanded reliever Brian Tallet says that he expects stitches to be removed next Friday from his surgically repaired right hand. A pin was inserted above the third metacarpal on the hand after Tallet snapped it while making a tumbling catch April 11 against the Arizona Diamondbacks. Two screws were inserted into the hand.

“It’s progressing good,” he said. “But it’s still sore. It feels kind of arthritic. Everything is still swollen.”

Since his throwing hand is not affected, Tallen threw a side session Friday afternoon. He expects his glove to be fitted with additional padding when he returns, perhaps within two weeks.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_99037d8b-1fe8-586d-b62b-0dc452df1a6c.html

by clank on Apr 23, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tallet sucks anyhow

he doesn’t get left handers out at any sort of LOOGY-ish rate.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Apr 24, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the ball was wet...

He didn’t have time to dry it, then throw.

by DiscoJer on Apr 23, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he looked at his hand afterwards

announcers indicated it looked like the ball slipped due to wetness

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was sitting righ behind the bag

he ran a straight line towards it and made the proper play
it wasn’t his fault

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 23

by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, there were plenty of better options than putting in Franklin to pitch

You could have moved Berkman to the mound for a better option. You could have had Yadi trade places with the pitcher, that would have been a better option. Franklin is not an option any more if your intention is to attempt to win the game. Not tonight, not tomorrow, not six weeks from now. Not. Fucking. Ever.

Gadzooks, old man! What in heavens for?

by Li'l Dwayne on Apr 23, 2011 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Miller should have been brought in to face votto

and just live and die with that decision…if he doesnt get votto, let him pitch to gomes and then bruce

really not that hard to figure out, tony

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Which just brings Franklinhausen in earlier if Miller doesn't get him out.

Yeah, that would have ended well.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by StanTheManFan on Apr 23, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

i say let miller pitch to votto, gomes, and bruce

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

that Miller was going to be a literal LOOGY. Having him hang around for Gomes if he doesn’t get Votto was not in the cards. Gomes splatters lefties. So we’re back to Franklinhausen.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

by StanTheManFan on Apr 23, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mean i know that was the line of thinking

i just dont agree with it

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gawd...we have to win tomorrow

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

easily could be 3-4 games up

of course every contender could say that every year

but that doesn’t assuage my rage

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's a long season.

162 games lends itself to rampant alcoholism.

"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully

by threadkiller on Apr 23, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

every cardinals loss=

2nd guessing, i guess. i guess that 2nd guessing is 1st guessing 1 guess later.

"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully

by threadkiller on Apr 23, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

mind=blown

either its your comment…or the bottle of root 1 cabarnet savigoun

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

sauvigon

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

sauvignon

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 23, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

shit

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

an easy rule of thumb

when you can no longer spell the name of your drink, you are too drunk to appreciate it.

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 23, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh come one

thats a hard word to spell…i’d have trouble with that one completely sober

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you still spell "wine"?

If so, then you’re OK.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 23, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

wine

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update:
16.2 IP, 21 K, 9 BB/HBP, 4 ER, 2.27 FIP

by VolsnCards5 on Apr 23, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

or gerwurztraminer

I'm sorry I impugned your cocksmanship.

by purple_haze on Apr 23, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

lots of people can't spell "laphroaig" sober.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Apr 24, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh come, all ye cardinals faithful,

joyful and less than triumphant (thanks to sad offense and bullpen) oh come ye, oh come ye to saaaint….looouis.

"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully

by threadkiller on Apr 23, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the killing of threads

is a less than desirable one, at times. i’ll make a call to your optometrist. ol’ one eye could use her, im guess ing.

"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully

by threadkiller on Apr 23, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

way ot

but have you guys seen this thing directv has called home premiere? they are basically offering movies on ppv that were very recently in theaters and months away from blu-ray, and for a 48-hour rental it is 30 fucking dollars, who in their right mind would do this?

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 23, 2011 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Rich lazy people

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by mysterui on Apr 23, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you have to take two adults and two or three kids to the movies, plus soda and popcorn

i’d totally just pay $30 instead and watch it in my underwear

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by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would I pay $30 to watch it in my underwear

When I could just put a coat on and watch it for $10 at the theater? It’s still cold enough outside to look legit.

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by Solanus on Apr 24, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because you have more than 3 people in your party?

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by mysterui on Apr 24, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone got the joke

That I could still watch it in my underwear and only pay 10 bucks.

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by Solanus on Apr 24, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I got it

I’m just a jerk

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by mysterui on Apr 24, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

suuuure

Tried it once and they liked it, then tried to hide it
twatter

by prophetjohn on Apr 24, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah or you could wait 2 months

and pay $6 for the same ppv or buy the blu-ray for less than you paid to rent it for 48 hours

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 24, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

Hell even taking two people to the movie theater will run more than $30 once you get popcorn, candy, and drinks.

by WizardofOz1982 on Apr 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

hotels do this.

my brothers and i did it on accident once on a family vacation. my parents were pissed.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 23, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finished Lost - all six seasons

Loved the series… kind of took up my whole life the last week though where I ended up watching Seasons 4-6 – I think I said what the fuck out loud at least 20 times though

I think I may have given up if it weren’t for the fact that I’ve read here that they finished it mostly absolved. Like there were a few times where I thought there was no way they could actually answer my questions but I just kept watching and was thankfully rewarded. With that said, waiting a week for each episode must have been a bitch. It killed me to wait till the next day because every episode had an amazing cliffhanger.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 23, 2011 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

what was your favorite part?

i liked the hatch time

i personally waited for the entire season to end before i’d watch it in one or two sittings, or i would’ve gone mad

now download and watch chrono lost

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by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before I answer your question, I have a shitload of other TV shows that I need to watch first

Namely Dexter, It’s Always Sunny, Mad Men before I will watch chrono lost. But I will when I have my figurative list done.

My favorite part had to be…well I think Season 6 actually had the best idea with the alternate universe/what they designed themselves. It’s like nothing I’ve ever seen on a television series.

The enjoyment level for the show however went down once Charlie left. Might have something to do with how fucked up my mind was most of Season 4 which kind of pissed me off. My favorite episode might have been the episode that was basically a tribute to him where he lists his five best moments.

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by stlcardsfan4 on Apr 24, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

what's the outlook for tomorrow's game?

/don’t trust the weather predictions after this week

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 23, 2011 11:54 PM EDT reply actions  

tomorrow night will probably be the worst of it.

i would be very, very surprised if they played. i might buy the $10 loge tickets anyway because the bobblehead is worth 10 bucks to me.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 23, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh

ended up with tickets to the game, now i wonder if the 5 hour drive will be worth it

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by mattyfrommo on Apr 23, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

more rain?

this is beyond ridiculous at this point

by LukeMP1186 on Apr 24, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

rain

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by d-dee on Apr 23, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you, dan, for recapping this mess.

my sympathies to anyone who actually watched it.

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by tom s. on Apr 24, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn't see the end

so I felt like a recap was the only penance I could do.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 24, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin's out pitch

The pitch that Cairo hit to win the game was almost incredibly hittable. It had some sort of spin on it that made it just sit there in the hitting zone for at least 10 seconds. I rarely think “damn, even I could have hit that pitch” but that one, I really think I could.

Sure hope we don’t need this game come September — it was soooooo winnable

by Poop on Apr 24, 2011 12:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i have to agree

i honestly think i could have hit that pitch. but i haven’t hit the batting cages for awhile so who knows.

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by purple_haze on Apr 24, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, Friday, 6 inning start.

Saturday, 6 inning start.
Sunday, Westbrook on short rest.

I can never remember what kind of shape the bullpen is in, so quick and dirty spreadsheet.

Most everyone has been used a bit lately. Miller is the only one that hasn’t pitched much, but he isn’t going to go long. If Westy can’t go deep, looks like a series of 1 inning appearances by Batista, Sanchez, and Motte before Boggs.

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 24, 2011 1:13 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Very nice.

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by spants on Apr 24, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean to kill the thread!

Come back, everyone!

Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.

by The Continental on Apr 24, 2011 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

There's one in every group.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 24, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when late night VEB was awesome?

AKA when I was in a time zone two hours earlier

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by mysterui on Apr 24, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

...later?

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by mysterui on Apr 24, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You really need to get a job with Seattle.

j/k I know, low blow.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 24, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was watching on MLB.tv

‘Cause I didn’t see it earlier and it went to a rain delay and we were up 3-2. So I skip ahead a bit, then a bit more and finally it comes back on and WTF we are losing 5-3 and the Reds only have four hits.

4 hits. And we lose. The games ‘we want back’ are beginning to stack up.

by Rukasu on Apr 24, 2011 3:02 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

2011 Cardinals ex-Franklin:

20-1

Suck it Franklin!

Sign Carlos Silva!!!

by guayzimi on Apr 24, 2011 9:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If Al at BCB wrote for VEB, the title of the recap would be “This One is on You Tony”.

by paposse on Apr 24, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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