Recap - Game 2 - San Diego v. St. Louis
by tom s. on Apr 2, 2011 7:20 PM EDT
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PrintAn ugly game yields an ugly score. A combination of poor fielding on the infield (which i will resist calling a trend at this early point) and way too many walks from our pitching staff put this game out of reach by the end of the fifth.
the cards struck first, putting together a nice bottom of the first, with two singles and a walk yielding two RBIs to Allen Craig on his bases loaded single. ryan ludwick began a day of serious on-baseness with a walk in the top of the second, already westbrook's second walk of the game. westbrook would follow it up with his third walk, to maybin. a single and a sac bunt would tie the game up, briefly.
pujols hit a dinger to lead off the bottom of the third. the top of the fourth began with ludwick hitting a single, then he was driven in on a triple by hundley. the game was tied at three.
the game completely exploded in the top of the fifth. two singles (both infield singles to ryan theriot), a sac bunt, an intentional walk, an unintentional walk, and a single later, and westbrook was out of the game, getting only a single out in the inning. motte entered and promptly gave up a double, then another intentional walk and unintentional walk combination. by the time motte finally got his first out (a sac fly), the game was 9-3, padres. 11 batters appeared in the top of the fifth. the cardinals more or less rolled over for the rest of the game.
motte pitched the 6th inning as well. mitch boggs pitched THREE innings. do you remember the whole "we need miguel batista even though he's old and not actually a good pitcher, because he can be our long man" story? yet in the first two games we saw batista pitch the 8th inning of a tie game and saw the heir-apparent (or one of them) to our current pseudo-closer pitch three innings of mop-up with a six-run deficit. i knew that the bullpen management was going to be ridiculous and contradictory, but i didn't expect it to be so obviously stupid and inconsistent so early.
the role of our middle infield in the game needs some special attention. theriot in particular played an unfortunate role in turning routine ground balls into infield singles, and has already amassed two errors for the season. while one can't rely too much on performance over two days, his performance is not exactly out of line with his recent history, which has seen him moved to second base for his defensive deficits. for a groundball heavy staff, a defense already carrying a subpar defensive second baseman, and a fan base used to watching wizardry at short, theriot seemed like a poor fit in the offseason, and his early performance has reinforced those concerns.
still, pujols dinger, allen craig RBI single . . . . the game was still a shitpile, but we have some time to turn this around.
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So
Sorry for kind of bitching out earlier, but making a negative comment towards Theriot every time he’s at bat or a ball is hit to him is really, really tired. I loved Boog as much as the next person here, but there’s no evidence that he’s a better player than Theriot
I understand that game threads will be reactionary, but can we get to a point where we give Theriot some time to see how he performs before we make negative comments every time something happens to him?
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looks like i should be glad i was at work
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sure
but you should know that’s just how veb works – replacing a fan favorite with a player who can’t be objectively described as top-tier will always result in some vocal opposition. it was kind of out of character for you to storm off like that. that’s more my style :)
Don't say hi to me.
Well it's actually been a really good day, and the negativity was starting to bring me down
So I decided to get out of there
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boo motherfuckin hoo
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
also the stats back up ripping on Theriot
sure he might work out, but all indications are that he won’t.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
he’s been at short pretty much everyday for the last 6 weeks
has he been watching skip too much?
also, he is just another cards signing when they believe they are smarter than two other teams and mr t will miraculously become someone he hasn’t been in 2 years
maybe not
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
But But
“TLR has a way of getting the most out of castaways” They WANT to play for him, they NEED to play for him.
Heheheheh, movie references.
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Apr 2, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh dear.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
mmm. he's got a projection of being worth exactly a win. he's not exactly a player who comes with a lot of reason to be
hopeful. i’m trying to balance being fair to him – he’s not going to finish the season with 162 errors and hitting .125 – with recognizing that he was a pretty terrible acquisition. when his performance bears out all our concerns, it’s hard to give him a lot of “attaboys.”
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
For the same reason, it's also disingenuous to say "Boog would've" at every ball that gets by Theriot
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It's just a tired act to me
Okay, we all loved Boog and wish he was still here. But let’s try and get on with it. It’s the second game of the season, and the general tone here (to me), is really negative, especially towards Theriot
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i had no idea he was that popular with our fanbase.
i was kind of glad to see him go.
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
His defensive prowess is/was very popular here at VEB.
How much that opinion is shared by Cards fans outside of this particular enclave is debatable. I’ve seen others that share your opinion.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ya'll neighbors postin' in a troll thread
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wasn't aware i was trolling.
sorry. just wanted some feedback as to ryan’s popularity. unless this is something inside i’m not getting………
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whoop, genuinely new person,
i must mistaken you for someone who has been a member for some time
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i have also mistaken myself for someone with at least average typing skills
AAHAHAHA
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Apr 2, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn't popular with the fanbase...
he was popular with 20-40 commenters on this site and stat geeks generally.
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
He was actually way more popular with ballpark fans than I realized.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Yeah I think he was pretty popular actually.
My best friend who doesn’t pay a lot of attention to the Cardinals loved him. My other best friend who pays more attention to the Cardinals but still less than I do also loved him. In both cases, it was the socks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
100 % of regularCardinal fans I know think this was a terrible decision
they loved Boog
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
it's because he's the most fun to watch
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I was shocked by the number of people grumbling around me today
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it's a combination of his popularity
and the inexplicable way the cardinals managed to trade him, sign a player, and keep the middle infield identical, value-wise, at best.
and they didn't even get anyone in trade
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's what I'm most upset about
We essentially got a Fungo Bat and a bag of balls for Ryan.
I dislike Theriot….at SS, I’d actually rather see him at 2b than Skip. Skip’s a great guy and he attempts to do a decent job at 2b (and even makes a great play every once in a while) but I think I’d rather see a Greene, Theriot combo (since it’s essentially the best we can do right now)
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Apr 2, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what should be on the field probably
although, descalso might be able to outperform The Riot… I just don’t know.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That's all Ryan was worth. No need to get upset about it.
I don’t like Theriot as the SS either but I think the pining for Boog as if he was, you know, actually good, is pretty funny.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 2, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he made the pitching staff a lot better
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
the main point is that Theriot is not likely to hit better than Boog did at this point in his career
and that he isn’t as good defensively.
now I’d like to talk about who should be playing SS…. perhaps Theriot loses his job to Punto, and Skip loses his job to Theriot (if Theriot starts hitting)
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
that's exactly who i suggested to cfic.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
by Tackle Box on Apr 3, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not nearly "as good"
but adequate. vastly superior to Theriot.
It's 7:05 somewhere...
by SleepyCA on Apr 3, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i told you today over text who I thought should be playing ss
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
oh yeah
T. Greene!
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
well, i wasn't talking about K. Greene
;-)
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
hangover made me forget our texting
I guess Punto is best as a last resort, since he can’t hit at all.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
casual fan behind me at the game today suggested putting in K. Greene
I shook my head and grumbled. I did a lot of head shaking and grumbling today.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
at a time when the rest of the lineup was kind of hurting itself....
I’m with CarpIs, though. it wasn’t that he was traded (though it still seems inexplicable to me). it was that he was ahead of Skip to be traded. the offense should never have come ahead of the middle infield, not with this staff. and not with this ballpark, which is about an even 50-50 and not some Great American Cheesesteak Bandbox.
and I don’t see why a little “would’ve” is going to piss in anyone’s cornflakes. all-caps may be too much, but geez. people are looking for overreactions where there are none. it’s been downright restrained. and they are GAME THREADS. hello.
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Apr 3, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
voice of reason ftw!
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong wrong holy shit wrong
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Apr 2, 2011 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Btw....
The fungo bat named Cleto we got for Ryan just threw 5 innings of 1-hit ball with 7 strike outs in his last start.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 2, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean, the five innings he threw at the high-A level?
He’ll be 22 next month, which makes him a little old for high A. He’s about to start his 5th pro season, which makes his limited development much more disappointing.
He’s also the only person not named “cox” who is on the 40-man and starting out at palm beach.
As a comp, sanchez is three months older, also started pro ball in 2007, and is starting the season @ memphis, and could be in the ML bullpen now.
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by tom s. on Apr 2, 2011 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I just said above that Ryan was worth a bag of balls, i.e., Cleto
This post seems to imply that I think Cleto is a good prospect. I don’t. I was merely giving another poster an update on what the fungo bat he was talking about was up to. Thanks for the news flash that Eduardo Sanchez is a better prospect though.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 3, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
not that he is the best player around
but he’s really freakin good at defense, and our pitching staff needs that at short. luckily punto will be able to step in and do something similar, once he’s not hurt
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you for the input, fellas.
i miss his defense as well, and it appears we don’t have anyone who can hit any better than him, anyway. maybe i was too quick to judge him.
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
Given his history, I don't think it's unreasonable
to assume that he’s not very good and become surprised if he exceeds expectations. Rather than assume that he’s a quality player and become disheartened when he doesn’t deliver.
Right now, he seems to be giving the Cards what many expected him to. Not much. It’s still early, though. We’ll see.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you prove to me that he's a way worse player than Brendan Ryan?
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To expand:
No.
I don’t have the advanced statistical vocabulary to assert such a thing with any legitimacy.
I do know that when the Cards identified their issue with middle infield, they replaced Brendan Ryan and Skip Schumaker with Ryan Theriot and Skip Schumaker. Even if that’s a perfectly horizontal move, what was the point?
ZiPS has Theriot with an OPS+ of 76. Boog with 71. I just don’t see where the enough offensive upgrade will come from to offset the defensive downgrade.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't thrilled with the move either
But it’s the season. Theriot’s on the team. Can’t we just root for him?
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Sort of.
Yes, I hope he does well. Better than expected even.
And if he looks awful well into the season, he won’t be the first Cardinal I wished to get off the roster. Or at least firmly onto the bench.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This is my thought.
I too am very upset Boog is gone. But Theriot is here now, so let’s give him a chance.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Is it compulsory to
have to “root” for a player just because he happens to have a roster spot on your favorite team?
Albert Pujols is a god, and you my friend should be doing no less than groveling at his feet.
no
it would probably make games less unbearable if you could, though.
I hate that Theriot’s the starting shortstop on this team, and he gives me no joy to watch, but at some point it becomes redundant to follow him around on gamethreads like a middle school bully. My goal, eventually, is to nothing him—no love, no hate, no Miles-ian disgust, just nothing.
by DanUpBaby on Apr 2, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess the
emotional benefits of apathy surmount those of anger in some cases.
Albert Pujols is a god, and you my friend should be doing no less than groveling at his feet.
if Miles comes back, we still get to be disgusted, right?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
I get slightly nauseous just watching him on the Dodgers.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be nice
but it’s pretty much impossible, when he has a game like today. That was one of the worst performances by a middle infielder that I have ever seen.
It's 7:05 somewhere...
Aaron Miles accepts your challenge
And is now waiting on the wagers
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Apr 2, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
the other thing is (speaking for myself) my disdain for Theriot comes of watching him on the cubs.
I don’t care that he’s replacing anyone, because in my mind the Greene Tea is the heir apparent, if only in platoon (i hope)
I’m not gonna ignore our history with Ryan Theriot. we know what he is, because he’s been the butt of our jokes every time the troughs came up in our schedule.
these are discrete events and reactions. I don’t appreciate people conflating them.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I mean, it's not on *us* to be cheering and cheerful. this is a dangerously BCB line of reasoning.
it’s on the players to prove they’re supposed to be there. our only responsibility is to stop the wave and only throw seat cushions.
I cannot understand what’s wrong with a negative reaction to something negative on the field, other than pure butt-hurt.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Apr 3, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
precisely
i have disliked him for so many reasons for so long and none of those have to do with brendan ryan
but the fact that he is replacing a brilliant glove like that with the abysmal pile of steaming crap he dumped on the last two games, makes me dislike him even more
the fact that he’s in our uniform and i have to deal with his presence every day makes me dislike him EVEN more
so no rui, you don’t tell me who i root for and you also don’t forbid me to point out what other players would have made the plays he botched and how often i choose to do that
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
I'm not telling you to do anything
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then stop whining about who says what and how that makes you feel
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
by d-dee on Apr 2, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YEAH, QUIT EXPRESSING YOU OPINION ON THE INTERNET, PEOPLE.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Your doing it wrong lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
nobody has a problem with that.
whining about it = repeating the same thing over and over again, with no new circumstances, no new results, and no new contributions to the conversation.
if something new and amazing happens with the MI, I will be the first to cheer.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
whining about people whining about people whining.
full circle.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Game threads have just gotten unbearable for me, that's all
If it’s just me, then I’ll just not participate. Was just airing out concerns in hopes that some sort of happy medium could be reached
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It's easier just not to participate.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Probably
But they’re so much fun when we’re winning!
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Fair weather gamethreader!
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And yes. Yes they are.
I missed Opening Day, so today’s thread was fun despite the outcome. I’ve missed the game threads.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope it won't come to that.
Gamethreads are going to be reactionary. You know this.
If Theriot kicks one, do you really expect folks to not comment?
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No, reactionary's not the issue
Negative is the issue
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which is a reaction to bad things happening
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
New sig try-out-
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Best. Sig. Ever.
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It's the compound contraction that makes it.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is very true
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fys
might’nt’ve*
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No?
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I don't think so.
might + not + have
might + n’t + ‘ve
mightn’t’ve
My Google Machine seems OK with it that way.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure you've never done that?
would've.
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I do my best not to be negative
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What is the fetish with calling the gamethreads "reactionary"?
That seems to be mot du jour to describe them for some reason.
Isn’t impulsive or knee-jerk a more appropriate word? “Reactionary” makes me think of Metternich or the French Revolution.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 2, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't that kind of the point of gamethreads, to be impulsive?
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying "reactionary" doesn't mean impulsive.
Using the word reactionary to describe the gamethreads doesn’t really make sense unless it’s describing a bunch of people who want to return Jocketty to power.
And I would disagree that that’s the point of the gamethreads. It has unfortunately become the nature of the gamethreads but that doesn’t make it especially desirable.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Apr 2, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
well we agree on your original point
but disagree on the nature of what gamethreads are or should be
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
might be interesting to have two gamethreads for each game
to make them load faster, and to have one thread per party
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you agree with his original point
the definition of the word “reactionary” is not about immediate reaction. It’s a poor choice of word to describe game threads.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
but I just said that I agree
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
impulsive and reactionary aren't the same things.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
that's what I am agreeing about
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
this comment made me think you were saying the point of game threads was to be reactionary and impulsive but upon further review you were just saying impulsive.
Which I agree with!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
isn't that the point of gamethreads
to be impulsive
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
so, basically, we're now arguing over semantics.
awesome.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I'm not sure what is going on now
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, or
Therefore your argument is invalid
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Apr 2, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or the Chief of Police of Malibu.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Apr 2, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
All Lebowski references get a rec from me.
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by Servant2LordBeckham on Apr 2, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Apr 2, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
gotten to be unbearable?
There have been two, and they haven’t even been bad by historical standards…
Sign Carlos Silva!!!
it's not just you
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Not just you
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by Evilfrog on Apr 2, 2011 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no, it's not just rui at all
I quit a couple of seasons ago.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
what do you want?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
to be rolling on the floor laughing
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
are you looking for a full list
or just whatever comes to mind first?
they’re probably both just sex anyway
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well then go get some, geez
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
Girls get lonely too.
Just go find someone who needs some company and relieve each other of your mutual boredom.
I feast on the bones of trolls.
by the red baron on Apr 3, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i know this, that's not the problem
my problem is finding one who wants me to relieve her loneliness
Balls
I'll bet you could find a couple.
You need to have more belief in yourself.
I feast on the bones of trolls.
by the red baron on Apr 3, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if he could find a couple
then old gdm better come back with stories
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Perhaps not at the same time.
I feast on the bones of trolls.
by the red baron on Apr 3, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I know.
For perhaps the first time in my tenure here I actually wasn’t working blue. It seems odd.
I feast on the bones of trolls.
by the red baron on Apr 3, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
History shows that Theriot is "way worse" than Ryan defensively
if you need another month of watching to prove it to yourself, that is fine…but don’t expect those that already knew this to be true to be so patient.
Offensively, there isn’t much difference between the two…the fact that LaRussa hit one of them 9th and the other leadoff just shows how poor he is at evaluating talent. Theriot is the last guy the Cardinals should be giving the most ABs.
Theriot's had a good eye in the past
He’s perfectly capable of getting on base at a respectable clip
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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And if he's not
Is Tyler Greene really a downgrade from him?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Probably, I've grown bearish on Greene
But nobody really knows
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I'd just like to see Greene
Get some sort of regular playing time.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I fear
Greene might be our Brandon Wood.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
Yes
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Apr 2, 2011 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't care about Boog.
But I’m pretty sure Greene is a better SS than Theriot.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Defensively, almost assuredly
I don’t think Greene simultaneously makes enough contact and hits with enough power to be a regular, though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I don't think Theriot would be a starting SS on most other teams, either.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Willie Bloomquist started at SS for the D-backs!
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So your saying trade
Theriot for Johnson? lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Only because Drew is injured.
Come on now.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Apr 2, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how can it be really really tired when the season has only just begun?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You think the Theriot bashing just started?
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yeah
the stats make it pretty easy
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It did just start
The moment we picked him up
"Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone," he sang joyously." - Gomes
by Evilfrog on Apr 2, 2011 11:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it has only just begun
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Mariners up 4-2!
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was watching the game earlier
I like ChiSox and Mariners also
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just getting a little tired of the Mariner love around here.
It seems since the season started, I’ve read on here quite a few comments about the Mariners and I think i read somewhere someone suggesting veb members join lookout landing or something and adopt them as a 2nd favorite team.
i could be wrong. read something differently than how it was meant to be read. i just feel like i’m hearing about the Mariners an awful lot around here and i’m getting tired of it.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
fine, I don't like them ;)
also, I like the Padres
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm probably one of the people who
criticizes Theriot the most on this site. Partly because I love the Boog and partly because I do not understand why Theriot was brought on. But, I must say, every critique I’ve made has been backed up by statistical evidence. So, yeah I might give the guy a hard time. But nothing I’ve said is false.
Boog would've...
by Paulspike on Apr 2, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
especially when there are others within the org that can play SS
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
like peter kozma
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
or Tyler Greene
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
good ole thunderbat
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
like Theriot
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was being sarcastic
or is this reverse sarcasm
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
me neither
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually there is a lot of evidence that Boog is better
Namely that he has been better in the past and is younger.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Apr 2, 2011 11:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
What do you mean better in the past?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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Specifically
If you average out bWAR and fWAR for each player over the past three years, Ryan comes out far ahead.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Apr 3, 2011 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If you average out bWAR and fWAR
what kind of method is that?
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
I get 1.4 for Ryan and 1.23 for Theriot
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I'm going to check you when I get home. I remember there being a one win difference when I checked earlier.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Apr 3, 2011 1:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh nevermind, that's for their career WAR
My point still stands, Ryan has been better in the past, no matter which timespan you look at and is younger.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Apr 3, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
per 600 pa
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Apr 3, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
TOO BAD HE DIDNT SHOW UP ON TIME FOR HIS NEXT PA AND THIS ARGUMENT IS MOOT
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
thank you
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
on the bright side
it’s nice to see ludwick do well.
Don't say hi to me.
by chalk on Apr 2, 2011 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
what's the story on the picture in the OP?
outfield hijinks?
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
Yeah, he didn't play that one off the wall well at all.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if I was happy or sad
to see that skip was backing him up
Or what? You’ll release the dogs, or the bees, or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you?
Does anyone else wanna throw up after that game
My wife started my day off great by waking me up because she was “in the mood”. After about the best start to a day possible I had an awful day at work and that game was depressing me in the background. I have to turn around and throw a buddies bachelor party tonight and he’s one of those guys who refuses to drink heavily or go to the east side donut will be fun but not anymore than a decent night out. Even my days that start with sex, end with bachelor parties and have gorgeous weather find ways to suck right now. On a lighter note my sister should be having my fourth nephew and first godchild any day now. Other than that fuck my life
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 2, 2011 7:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not sure how and changed to donut (iPhone autocorrect, WTF?)
But don’t eat east side donuts. They probably taste like sweat, cocaine, and glitter
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 2, 2011 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't forget desperation
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
maybe your wife wanted to make sure you're not as tempted
by whatever strippers will sit in your lap tonight
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
If that's true she's the smartest woman I know
Which she probably is anyway
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Apr 2, 2011 9:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'm surprised that garcia wasn't starting today
i figured he’d be behind carp in the rotation and not westy. glad i didn’t watch the game… but the fact that this still feels like last season instead of 2011 is really bothering me, even though we’re just two games in. we should be 2-0 or 1-1, not 0-2.
garcia is way too inexperienced to be thrust into the number 2 spot
westy, on the other hand, has been around the block and can keep his head on straight
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
not after the first series, no.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Really glad I missed this one.
Sounds like it was a suck-ass of a game.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 2, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
currently taking redbox suggestions for the evening
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
Is that a new film?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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if it has to be a movie
put on some pants and go watch the lincoln lawyer
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
That one is pretty good.
Got it on dvd.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 2, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Tron legacy
Or Tangled.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Yeah!
Either of those! Is Tron out too?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Yeah, Tangled is awesome
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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Maximus was awesome.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Yea
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I thought that thing I read said it wasn't out yet.
Going back to internet.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
Yea nm its out april 5th
My bad
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
The original Tron is playing on Showtime Extra this month.
Recording it tonite. Haven’t seen that in ages.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 2, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Shutter island
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Apr 3, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the thing that ticks me off the most
is Batista not being used as the long reliever
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
i'm going to go ahead and jump on the train with mysterui RE the theriot thing
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
who cares if people are going to complain about him?
just get over it
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
boog is gone.
everyone needs to get over it.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
I can watch the Mariners if I feel like it
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
THERIOT WOULD'VE
AHHAHAHA
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
by prophetjohn on Apr 2, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
again, neither you, nor rui get to determine how people should be feeling about things
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
by d-dee on Apr 2, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the more people say a topic is taboo
the more it will be talked about
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
when did i try?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
...
then stop whining about who says what and how that makes you feel
“I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv” – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would’ve count 6
by d-dee on Apr 2, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I for one want to see the boog would've count
I find it very entertaining and informative. how can you tell someone what to do?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
that's friendly advice
so you don’t like a pussy
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
Let's be honest with ourselves
Nothing you’ve ever done was in a friendly manner
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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oh cmon
epic awesome fanposts are friendly to me
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you couldn't be more wrong
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
COULDN'T I, D-DEE
COULDN’T I?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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you're behaving like a child right now
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 6
YOU'RE BEHAVING LIKE A CHILD RIGHT NOW
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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CAPS LOCK KEY
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
this is like when
we were whining about the reds whining about us being whiners.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
It's not that Boog that's gone that is the problem...
It’s that he’s been replaced by a career journeymen that is mediocre at best at SS.
And considering that how much the Cardinals pitching style is based on good defense, it makes absolutely no sense to trade a great defense SS for a soso defensive SS like Theriot.
Sure, maybe their WARs are similar, but Theriot’s liabilities on defense are going to be magnified because of how Duncan wants his guys to pitch.
Especially since because of Skip being terrible at 2b, the SS has even more ground to cover.
But hey, watch him bungle game after game away this season and don’t complain if you want. But don’t expect others to not complain about a very foreseeable problem
as I said in the gamethread
I’d be fine with Theriot as a bench guy, but I just don’t see him as a starter. and you nailed it on the head, if Skip is at 2B, you need a really good defensive shortstop.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
okay, sure.
but it’s not theriot’s fault that he’s being put out of position. that’s tony’s fault. theriot is actually a very competent second baseman.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
we just don't want to admit that skip is the problem
and they don’t want to admit the experiment failed.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole middle infield situation is just a frustrating mess.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it really is
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
skip is so clearly the problem.
if you take him out of the equation, move theriot to second, and put greene at short so many things improve.
1. your defense at ss improves
2. your defense at 2b improves
3. the lineup either stays the same or gets marginally better
skip schumaker is the problem. ryan theriot is not.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like that
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
what I'd really like to see
is Punto at short and Descalso at second
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like Greene at short
And Punto at second.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I'd like that too
until Punto returns, they should try Greene at short and Descalso at 2b
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
whatever you want is fine.
but my point remains the same. this is not ryan theriot’s fault.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
we are commenting on the internet. I can criticize him being in the starting lineup all I want. I don’t hate the guy. I’m just less than thrilled that he will be starting a lot just because he has more experience and had one good season a couple years ago
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
the epitome of ever larussa team.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
that’s what I really want, a new manager
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm starting to buy into this theory.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
his bullpen management the last few years has been less than desirable.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
this is Mo's fault
went from Ball of Steel to Balls of Silly Putty
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
there we go
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
at least he has more than one ball now
put yourself in his shoes
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
join the Tom Green club
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally,
I would have gone with Lance Armstrong, but this works too.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
forgot about him
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh... Mo's working with a LOT of restrictions that other GMs don't have to deal with
Mostly I just want to see him be able to make decisions independent of LaRussa and DeWitt
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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that's why I find it hard to blame the guy
I don’t envy his position one bit.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I do.
Quite a bit.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I wouldn't want to have to work with Tony
he’d ruin my rep
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that might be true
of course he might just be a terrible GM.i can say such things because i have no interest in sucking up to the stlcardinals front office
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
It actually is true
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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how do you know such things?
it’s possible that Mo and Tony are on the same page
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Oh because I've never had contact with anybody high up in the Cardinals' front office
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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we'll just have to agree to disagree on this
although i do believe Mo probably does have restrictions
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
What's there to disagree with
I mean, I guess you could not trust my source, but that source is very, very reliable
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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plus you can use occam's razor
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i believe you have a trusted source
i don’t understand why he would tell you such things, though
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Because I asked?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I did
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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it just doesn't seem very professional to me
yeah, Mo wants to do things his way, but the effin FO keeps tying his hands
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
yeah, it would be like confirming the obvious
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe in both things
I believe that Mo is having his hands tied. I also believe that Mo just signed a 3 year contract with a team that ties his hands. Therefore I am a bit skeptical of his decision making abilities.
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Yes, clearly being the GM of an MLB team is a raw deal
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I did not say that
i’d respect him more if he would prefer to be 100 % the GM, wouldn’t you?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Biding his time?
Signing that deal doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about having more control.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If it's between have 75% control or not being a GM, which do you think he'd pick?
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hey, we have different opinions
i think less of him for accepting an extension on these terms
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Dude I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous
As somebody who’s tried really, incredibly hard to break into the industry, you take every single opportunity that you can. If you’re offered an extension to be the GM of a team, you take it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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So Antonetti turning down the
Cardinals was ridiculous? He still had to wait a year to be GM and he didn’t have a contract promising him that. He had word of mouth.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
Probably, yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I've never been offered a GM's job
but i’ve been offered promotions in the real world that I’ve turned down because of comparable circumstances. Of course it’s not a one 1 in 30 job, but still
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
I mean, yeah, staying close to where you're comfortable is a factor
But if he was promised first look as a future GM, and he got to stay in Cleveland (which I believe had a brighter future at the time than the Cardinals), then why not?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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that's probably true that I'd take it
but it’s also true that I think at the GM meetings I’d feel out of place because I have to sit at the proverbial kiddie table
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
That's fair.
But he’s been with the organization for a long time. I’m sure he’s getting his way on some things.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
we can't
because all we want out of life is mo’s ball (now plural?) in our mouves
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
What the fuck
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just me, i guess
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
MO sucks as GM, i'm really disappointed in him
Balls
by gdm426 on Apr 3, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
platoon skip and theriot at 2nd.
should keep the defense relatively the same, but make the offense a little better.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
this would make sense
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
and if he starts to do well
then you guys can say, see, he’s not so bad.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
this is gonna turn into a West Side Story kinda rivalry this summer, isn't it?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
JETS
snap
snap
snap
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Whatever happens
I need to make sure I’m on the same side as spants.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
potentially disastrously bad combo
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sharks
Snap
Snap
Snap
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
so,
that middle infield defense sure is air tight
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
i agree that trolling is fun
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
that middle infield defense sure is air tight.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
My god, the Beatles suck so much.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They do
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
They'd have been more enjoyable
If they had been zombies.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Zombie Beatles would be interesting
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Theres an alternative history book
With Zombie beatles…….and it is awesome.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
It's called Paul is undead
And it really is a must read.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Same guy as Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
and the zombie Lincoln book?
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Alan Goldsher
So I dont think so?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
He's doing a novel now
About Elvis as a Frankenstein monster. I’m definetly gonna purchase.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
saw them like 3 times I think
lots of pyrotechnics!
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
i wish i could have seen them
how close to the stage were you? i’ve always wondered if the stories about the bass player were true
Balls
got pretty close
gorgeous bassist
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
she wore fishnets
not sure what else…
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I think there were creative differences within the band
and Rob Zombie wanted to make shitty music under his own name.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
he's had a couple good songs, Demon Speeding&Dragula rock
you’re right though, for the most part his solo stuff has sucked. he’s directing way too much & none of the movies i’ve seen of his are any good
Balls
yeah
I think it was cool he worked on Peewee’s Playhouse, and I used to love White Zombie.
but I haven’t like anything he’s done as Rob Zombie. his horror movies were ok but nothing that great. I think he has more potential.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I've really liked the two Halloween movies he did.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
rumor has it she used to not wear an article of clothing
that one normally wears underneath their clothes. giving the people in front a show that wasn’t on the ticket
Balls
thats what I was thinking but I wanted confirmation
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
check out her wiki page
sounds like she runs a cool bar and i totally forget her & Rob used to date. that had to be one of the reasons the band broke up.
Balls
even more reason to visit NOLA
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
landsickness needs to give us a review
i’ve always wanted to go, but not during the summer or mardi gras
Balls
Not as much as West Side Story
wait
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I haven't even seen that yet
lol
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that I have no songs of theirs in my collection
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm putting this game on in the background
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
oh, look, colby on base
albert shits the bed. release the guy. he’s never gonna do anything again
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
Alberts like a first base playing
Edwin Encarcion lmao
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
oh man FREESE FRAME
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
bases juiced for craig!
i wonder what will happan!
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
BOOM SHAKALAKA
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
It's like we're in the game thread!
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Watching out of context comments roll in
will probably be more fun than watching the game.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats cuz the game sucked
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
damnit I left my pizza rolls in the oven too long
dry
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
fry 'em. they're unhealthy anyway.
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
by threadkiller on Apr 2, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
wow.
never occurred to me. will try.
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
by threadkiller on Apr 2, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I had a good grill
I’m not gonna fire up charcoal to cook pizza rolls heh
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
it's worth it
if you cook up a couple of meals in addition to it. grilled leftovers from charcoal are better than any other leftovers, period. …..
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
by threadkiller on Apr 2, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
cool
I’ll buy some more charcoal next time I’m out
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you gotta try grilling everything
Or deep frying……
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
fry daddy=essential gear.
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
by threadkiller on Apr 2, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting ideas
that I cannot execute
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
coat them in something that will rehydrate them
Like plain yogurt
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 2, 2011 11:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Relief pitching and MI
Take those facets out of the equation and we’re awesome.
When do we get to trade for Jose Reyes?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he's not signing any long term deal with mets for sure
lots of bidders i’d guess
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Why am I not drinking yet?
Must fix this.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 2, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
just poured a glass of cabernet sovignon
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Jealous
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it's pretty good for a $10 bottle
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You should try root 1
15 dollar bottle and it’s the beat ive ever had
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll keep an eye out for it
most of the time I’m limited to what the shop by my house has
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Cab and Old Rasputin?
I approve of your taste in alcohol. And am jealous of your prospects, if you’re actually in Chicago.
I'm sitting just north of where the White Sox play
Old Rasputin is ridiculously good
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I spent three years in Hyde Park, miss the great pubs in the city
(not Hyde Park), and having access to lots of different beers/wines. It’s better downstate than it used to be, but still. Chicago is Chicago.
I'm always discovering something new
and I’ve been here since january 1997
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby rasmus
Awesome this year, or fucking awesome?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He looks really locked in
Maybe batting in the No. 2 spot is making him see better pitches..
Boog would've...
Logical fallacy
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I'm
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shit
I’m really excited about him. I think we have MV3 situation on our hands.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha
I was talking about craig
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
f it
i’m watching the rest of the reds/brewers game
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
oh, it's over
boog time, i guess
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
who won?
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The Red Sox are getting curb stomped
And that makes me happy.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Bite the curb
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Derrick Rose is really really good
ok back to baseball for me
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
D-Rose is a beast.
"There he was!!! Dirtying his shiny Sox helmet!!!" - homesickalien at the brief glimpse of Manny Ramirez
by Servant2LordBeckham on Apr 2, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
lightning
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
he's sick.
Probably won’t last long, but his peak is going to be awesome.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
Young Allen Iverson
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I don't know enough about basketball to say that he won't last long
but watching him play is a treat… he’s a lot better than most players imo
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the way he plays, his body won't hold up.
There’s nothing wrong with that and he’ll have a great career, but yeah, it’s definitely an enjoy it for the next five years type thing.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
ah
I see… yeah he doesn’t leave any fuel in the tank at the end of the day
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
the earl campbell of basketball?
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
by threadkiller on Apr 2, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
HA
forgot about board game. he just got a hit
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
looking irritable as ever
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of booze
:(
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where is everyone?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 10:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder how boog and milton bradley get along
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
They play wiffleball
Except when Brendan starts winning, Milton calls him a racist, and drives home during the middle of the game….or he cries because no one understands him.
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by CarpIsMyManCrush on Apr 2, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
one guy is negatively annoying, the other guy is positively annoying
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
they must be out buying alcohol
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
that was 2007
or the 90s
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The 70's were pretty bad.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 2, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
luckily I was too young then to be a fan!
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You're the one that brought up history of the known universe.
The 70’s fall into that line.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
on track for 0-162.
So I can not disagree.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I agree
this sample size is more than large enough. also i’m drunk as all fuck.
These two facts are unrelated.
you're
Man u is gonna win
I am sad….and drunk
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 11:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably true
Still sad
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And out of alcohol.
Your night sucks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
One day
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 11:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My Alma mater is about to shut down due to financial reasons
My fraternity chapter’s alumni are about to throw a party to end all parties….suggestions?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 11:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd cast a young Tom Hanks in the lead.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Apr 2, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What is your Alma Mater?
I just assumed you went to Tennessee which I hadn’t heard about shutting down.
As for the party, I don’t people are that picky, just alcohol.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
well put.
"Bob Gibson pitches as though he's double parked."~Vin Scully
by threadkiller on Apr 2, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Lambuth university
Small private college in Jackson, tn. been chronically mismanaged for years and will now have to merge with a other school or close up shop. It suck, I really love that place and cherish my four years spent there.
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Apr 2, 2011 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that sucks
I went to Williams Baptist. We used to play Lambuth IIRC.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
last nights damage:
3 rum and cokes, AT LEAST 6 beers, and a rather strong gin gimlet. at least half courtesy of the venue I played at. Spent the money they gave me on alcohol and a cab ride home (and some rapper dude on the train, I gave him $5 for his cd, it’s ok)
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
fantasy
would you drop JD Drew for Allen Craig?
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
drop jd drew for holliday?
yes
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
or maybe i don't get your jokes
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
if holliday is on the waiver wire
you should probably find a better league.
Now think about your Dad.
thank you
I just noticed he wasn’t playing today, didn’t know how much his playing time is limited
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
how about picking up Cameron Maybin and dropping Ryan Raburn?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I can’t do that though, since it’s locked this week
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah. that's why i reminded you wednesday night.
anyway, though. i like raburn, but mostly for 2b eligibility, which he doesn’t have in the league in question.
I've been so freakin busy this week
I should have done that.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
2 games back of the reds already.
it had to be said.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
please, please let these games be outliers on the year
I’m not sure if I can handle a year from hell
by RasmustheRipper on Apr 2, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
In the grand scheme of things, I'm doing quite well.
So far no complications or anything.
On the level, though: I do not enjoy being pregnant 85% of the time. Like last night, when I had a back spasm that shot over to my hip. Or today when I broke a dish because I’m suddenly quite clumsy. And I’m in the 3rd trimester now, so that discomfort is only bound to increase. I figure to be increasingly bitchy quite soon.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
YES! you being in third trimester means i'm closer to being done with school and to my bday.
thanks for progressing through pregnancy, spants!
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a tiny bit sad to be leaving the last 6 weeks behind. I was actually enjoying myself.
But I am also happy I’m increasingly closer to getting this little parasite out of me.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
out of your stomach, into your head.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, on the plus side
this shit is almost over.
Good luck with everything and as much as i hate to being a stereotypical gay, i can’t think of a lil’ spants without going “awwwww!”…
you're
this is all totally normal. I'm so glad it's going well
At least as well as it goes.
Soon, you’ll need to spend lots of time sitting in air conditioning.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 2, 2011 11:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also your brain no longer functions properly
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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I mean, it's sort of obvious
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Uh huh.
Other than feeling foggy on days I’m tired, I feel as sharp as ever. The first trimester was different, but the hormonal surges are much more severe then.
Maybe you should do some research before you extrapolate meaning out of one case.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
Well first of all, I was almost entirely kidding
And second of all, weren’t you the one who actually taught me about pregnancy brain?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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...small sample size of what?
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But like
It’s actually a thing
http://www.webmd.com/baby/features/memory_lapse_it_may_be_pregnancy_brain
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It seems pretty common. OB said so.
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
Right. So I don't know why spants is getting on my case for it
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Because I think you're a shithead.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Apr 2, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Welp
Fair enough
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It's mainly about stress.
I’ve been under much greater stress before and had memory lapses or moments where I lose focus and I’m suddenly driving too fast or whatever. As the “big day” comes closer, I might experience more moments like that. But so far, things have been pretty typical in that department.
http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20100205/just-how-real-is-pregnancy-brain
I am not cognitively hampered.
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
NERVOUS BREAKDOWN
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
my mom had one of those
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
nervous breakdown
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard that's a good band
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a just for fun exercise, so don't take it too seriously because i'm not overreacting to two games.
BUT…
if this is a 90 loss season, does this motherfucker get blown up? let pujols walk, let carpenter walk, get rid of larussa etc etc and restart building around holliday, rasmus, and wainwright?
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
as much sense as that makes (and it makes A LOT of sense if we're done by july)...
i don’t think he’d accept.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i kinda think he might if this team is THAT terrible
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
i said it was just for fun!
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
FUN!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
if this is a 90-loss season
i will become an evil genius and threaten to take over ZE WORLD.
i will also nuke st. louis to show i am 6ly serious.
you're
Thank God I'll be in Clemson.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
i have fun speculating over hypothetical situations that i can't control.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh... Consider having a child.
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
by a fink on Apr 2, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no thank you.
marriage is the only thing i don’t like to think about. but then again i can semi control that.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I said have a kid, not get married.
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
i don't get laid, remember?
i don’t have to worry about silly things like drunken, unprotected sex.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
leave that for the people who can't actually concieve
not just the people that are just really awkward.
you're
Sadly, there's plenty of available kids to go around...
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
this.
and i am pretty awkward. someone called awkward freshman year and i told them to shove it. someone calls me awkward today and i say “yep”
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll put it inside of her tomorrow.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
DO IT.
Actually, don’t. Play the long game; if you actually want a relationship. If you just want sex, then get her drunk and do the horizontal monster mash.
Don’t forget the foreplay.
you're
are you convinced i've never been drunk?
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No,
but i am convinced that you’ve not
a) been drunk as often as me
b) not had as much sex as me
you're
we aren't as well off as we were, but still closer to 90-72
Than 72-90. If we lose 90 games, albert and carp probably had season-ending injuries. The nature of their injuries will decide whether we resign them.
I suspect La Russa would probably leave, but I can’t say I have any thought behind that than a hunch.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 3, 2011 12:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that sounds like the low end of underperforming and bad play.
I think we end up under 80 wins only with serious injuries beyond waino.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 3, 2011 12:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here is my main problem with WAR
Everyone was upset about losing Boog; but, at the same time claimed that Theriot was roughly the same player because their WAR was similar the previous year. I think that is a lot of bullshit. Just because two players’ WAR’s are similar does not mean that they suit a team in the same way. Also if, you are like me, and think fantastic defense is still very underrated in WAR and it’s effect on the game (for instance, I don’ think WAR takes into account the increase/decrease on a pitcher’s pitch count and the difficulty); it makes a lot less sense. And, worse than that – getting Theriot has doomed STL to putting one of their absolute worst hitters in the leadoff spot. Ryan was a much better fit for this team than Theriot.
theriot was the same player as boog playing second base.
then tony ruined it.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Theriot: not a plus defender, not a plus hitter. average dude
Ryan: plus plus defender, but hitter. still a plus there.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
but minus hitter
meant to say
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
but WAR has a defense component.......
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
WAR takes it into account. And I think the defensive metrics in particular, while they give us a ton of information about comparing player to player; I don’t think it’s properly situated in it’s impact on the game. And I don’t know when it will be, honestly. Metrics for hitters are better because hitters always have roughly the same goal. Fielders don’t; and fielders have to rely on other players more regularly.
I don’t have the answers but a unique defensive talent like Ryan seems far less replaceable than a below average hitter that can possibly man a middle infield position. And it definitely made no sense for a team with a lot of sluggers and an awful defensive 2b, to make their defense even worse in hopes of a nominal offensive gain.
WAR is attempting to gauge true talent, not a retrospective on how a team performs
How the defense plays has no impact on a pitcher’s fWAR since they use FIP as the main component
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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well it depends on if we are talking about pitchers or not then
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
also
I’m not yet convinced that Ryan is utterly horrible at hitting. that part gets left out a lot.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He was utterly horrible hitting in the minors
And in the Majors, except for a BABIP-influenced 2009
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his BABIP was .332
i don’t think that’s that absurd.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he's more than capable of hitting at least .270
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his real talent is nowhere near that
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When the rest of his BABIPs are in the .270-.280 range?
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he BABIB'd .254 last season.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, so he was probably a bit unlucky last year
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can i sell you on .260?
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think that's unlikely
I mean, it’s possible that he’ll hit .260, I just don’t think he’s a true talent .260 hitter
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Pretty bad, yes
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i wish i could find a site that had a good overall view of his minor league numbers
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
if, by utterly horrible, you mean completely devoid of power, then yes
But contact and OBP were never a real problem in the minors. He was a .290 hitter in the minors.
Now think about your Dad.
.330 wOBA from boog in '11
book it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Two points:
1. “Replaceability” (in the way you’re using it) really isn’t a mark of value. I don’t care if what Ryan excels it is unique/unusual or not. Just what value it brings to the team.
2. We have some sluggers, but we also have a lot of holes on offense. We might have one less this year, and that would likely be statistically as valuable as Ryan’s D.
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
Value and unique ability
Really? But if relying on WAR, the whole concept is comparing to a replacement player. And while say “slugging” adds value to the team; it’s importance in comparison to a replacement player is how unique one’s slugging is compared to a replacement player’s. Now, if you worship at the altar of WAR (and I’m not saying you do); you believe that a certain amount of hitting effectively equals a certain amount of defense. I enjoy the effort used in ranking players; but it takes utterly different players and pretends they are the same for purposes of “value.” It essentially rests on the idea that a great hitter (say, Hombre) if playing the other 7 positions, would be the best possible team. I think this concept is inane. No team has won with slugging first basement at several positions. Theriot is a second basemen, playing middle infield next to a left fielder. This is awful. While maybe in the complete free market player-for-player exchange that the concept of WAR envisions (like the kind that says Josh Johnson was better than Adam Wainwright last year, even though Wainwright threw 6 more games worth of innings, and, in the current market obtaining below average relief pitchers cost a lot more than that in players. . .. but, whatever), in reality this presents an entirely new stressor on a team and requires them to play an entirely different defense than they were before.
I'm not so sure...
I think if we had 7 Albert Pujols, with most of them playing terrible defense at their respective non-catcher and non-pitcher positions, we’d win a lot of games.
That said, I don’t know all that much about WAR specifically, so I’ll duck out of the discussion!
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
back of the envelope
Using the baseball musings lineup analysis tool, 7 alberts (.425/.625) & league avg batting P+C would score around 1180 runs.
If you assume the pitching staff has a FIP of about 4.25 (league avg last year was 4.12), and each of the non-1B alberts is -30 runs defensively, they’d be expected to give up about 863 runs; about one full R/G higher than the worst NL team in 2010.
That’s a 105 game winning team, by pythag- not quite as high as I expected.
The range goes up to about 121 expected wins, for a team with 7 alberts who are all adequate at their positions, 125 wins if you reduce the FIP to 4.0.
Just for fun, the 6 non-1B Albert’s would have to average out to being -83 runs on defense to be an 81 win team.
It's 7:05 somewhere...
heh... I was hoping someone would do this! Awesome.
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
But. . .
I have no statistics to back up this thought. And, perhaps in a world where you have a manager who has, on his 40 man roster, enough reasonable pitchers to maintain that 4.25 FIP. I contend hardly any team would. In that scenario where Albert Pujols is giving up extra hits every inning, the SP’s and RP’s would be throwing infinitely more pitches in order to get 27 outs. Therefore, you would be using significantly more RPs to get outs or converting significantly more RPs into SPs to pitch more innings. (See, Ottavino, PJ Walters, Brad Thomas . .. etc.) Again, you all imagine that because players have a similar WAR, that lower WAR players or replacement level players can be had. While they can be MORE easily had, there is not some infinite supply of replacement level players. And, certainly, in the Cardinals organization there are very few replacement level players. This is my problem with the concept. We could never have a 4.25 xFIP staff, because of the sheer amount of pitches that would have to be thrown by bad pitchers.
that's a very good point
there are non-linearities involved when you go to extreme situations like this that you can’t really estimate. That actually goes for both sides of the ball. 1180 runs is a lot- an average of 7.3 runs a game- that’s borderline slow-pitch softball stuff. The run estimation models that the BM tool was built off of weren’t designed to work with that many consecutive 1.0+ OPS hitters—there’s a good chance that every single inning would end with a double play. After 1-2 runs scored.
And on the other side, EVERY SINGLE position player gives up 80+ runs on defense? wow. that’s not even ML baseball anymore. That would be fascinating to watch.
It's 7:05 somewhere...
well that was a weird play
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
Heh... Awesome Theriot sky is falling-ing. And general sky is falling-ing.
relax VEBers! And, hey! It’s been a few days.
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
not off to a good start
but only 2 games…………..
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...The Theriot haters gotta hate, though. Plenty of fodder for those that only notice small sample size when it suits them.
If it's a meme, or looks like it might be a meme, I do not get it.
The first two games have just given us an opportunity to endorse our already-present pessimism.
We’ve worried more about Boog than about Wainwright because that’s symbolic of how we see the team being mismanaged, not because Brendan will likely be worth more than a win and a half more than Theriot. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that the MIF in particular has been mismanaged, but still. SSS abounds in April, especially if it backs up our site’s narrative.
By worried, I mean talked about outwardly more about Boog.
There’s no one to blame for Wainwright’s injury. We focus elsewhere, then.
Your seriously over using the word 'our'
Negativity doth not flow like a stream from the mouth of the living bird oh’s.
you're
You're probably right about me overusing the word "our".
I just think that the outcry over Ryan has been to the extent that something more than mere WAR counting is going on.
actual baseball has done zero to diffuse the tension on this site
maybe VEB needs to go on one of those peyote desert trips.
Now think about your Dad.
by purple_haze on Apr 2, 2011 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
people need to chill the fuck out.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO
"Sometimes you scare me." - azruavatar
by spants on Apr 2, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this site is far less tense than most imo
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope we try and give Zack Cox a shot
At playing second base. Right now our MI options in the minors aren’t looking too bright, and third base looks like it could be occupied for a while between Freese and Carpenter. I know Cox isn’t a sure thing and he has a ways to go but let’s say he tears up the minors this year, then where do we put him? I’d like to see them try and see if he has what it takes to play 2nd in the pros.
I know we guys like Kozma and Jackson but are there any MIs in the minors I may not have heard of that are halfway decent prospects?
by mick311 on Apr 2, 2011 11:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
There's almost no chance that this happens
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why? does he really not have the skillset to play there?
Can’t be much worse than skip….just sayin
by mick311 on Apr 2, 2011 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think so, no. He has average range at third, which doesn't bode well for a move to second
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I did read he is better suited for third....
I just thought he spent a lot of time at Arkansas playing 2nd and with Freese/Carpenter under team control for awhile it would seem like need would possibly come into play.
by mick311 on Apr 2, 2011 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's way too fat to play 2B.
Carpenter, OTOH, needs to spend some time there.
Carp did get some time at SS in the spring, on the back fields, so it isn’t that far-fetched. Though he was pretty bad there.
It's 7:05 somewhere...
I don't really know all that much about scouting and our prospects
But all I’m saying is if Freese stays healthy and does well, Carpenter continues to play well and Cox turns out to be pretty good (and I don’t think all three happening is THAT unlikely)….than what do we do with Cox? That’s why I was asking, do we really even have ANY other decent MI prospects at this point? Or is there anyone else who maybe is better suited for a switch to second?
by mick311 on Apr 2, 2011 11:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can never have enough good prospects
Prospects are there to make your ML team better, whether by performing or through trade
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I def see what your saying....and if keeping him at third makes him more valuable I can accept that but
I don’t know, just seems like if they were willing to try Craig at third and Skip at second once they were already established at their positions in the bigs, why we wouldn’t give Cox a shot at playing a position he is familiar with when we have decent depth at third and very few if any valuable MI players in the entire organization.
by mick311 on Apr 3, 2011 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carpenter's the one with the best range out of the group
I just don’t think Cox will be able to handle it
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if Carpenter can play 2B or SS I will be extremely happy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Why not?
This team has been very open to trying players in the middle infield. I haven’t seen him at 2B but he was billed as having a decent shot at the position at draft time.
Now think about your Dad.
that'd be nice
also, I hope Matt Carpenter can play SS /crazydreams
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a good late night VEB for a saturday.
thanks for keeping me entertained.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
I did laundry tonight
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i watched basketball.
now i’m all alone. which is awesome.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 2, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it's been nice
my roommates have been out the house all night, just me and my bad self
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
it is
gotta have it every once in a while
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
and i don’t get it very often. which makes ZERO sense but whatever.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I cant believe therout walked 8 people today
"Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone, Wainwright’s gone," he sang joyously." - Gomes
by Evilfrog on Apr 2, 2011 11:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
shitty shitty pitching today
loss
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 2, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone want to go outside?
http://www.utah3d.net/panoramas_5/NightSky.html
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
Brandon League has some kind of rat tail mullet with a back of neck tattoo
classy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
He always has
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right on
just didn’t know the player
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
League's a weird fucking dude, man
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should him and Brian Wilson have some kind of sitcom or weird comedy show like Tim and Eric?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not even an entertaining weird like Wilson
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oh
I get it, more of a sociopath kinda weird
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ichiro takin care of business
that’s a lot of hits
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
i was about to ask where the hell you were.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
just people getting upset about theriot and boog
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
well theriot sucks ass, what did he do today to piss everyone off?
twitter said it was TLR & bad pitching that f’ed everything up
Balls
a couple iffy plays
i don’t think he has been terrible yet, but not good, either
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
mysterui wants d-dee to get rid of her signature
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhhhhh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
I thought that's what you were saying earlier
whoops
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
you're tryin' pretty hard tonight
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
please explain
I’m just stating what I read
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
(to stir things up)
btw, i think you’re the only person that read that, though i could have missed where mysterui told d-dee to change her sig
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
ok, he didn't LITERALLY say that
but he did imply that he didn’t like her signature
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like how you are implying that I am a troll
I am on the site a lot, I don’t pick fights like soonerfan did. I consider myself to be pretty levelheaded.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The Brits have their own Journal of Developmental Psychology!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
"If I do it wrong just break another toe. Three's my lucky number anyway." -Evan Lysacek: 2010 Olympic Gold Medalist ♥
This has been an utterly bizarre baseball season so far
I seem to get far more enjoyment out of watching non-Cardinal games for some reason.
Maybe we just need a win or two, but during Cards games I can’t help but feel an overwhelming sense of doom, gloom, and despair only punctuated by all too brief fleeting moments of joy. Even before the outcomes of our two games became apparent, I seem to have turned from an eternal optimist to a pessimist for no apparent reason.
Has this happened to anyone else?
strawberry sundae samples mmmm
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
The funny thing is, this feeling for me started early on opening day
My heretofore normal in game optimism just died the moment the Padres first tied the game on Thursday, despite being genuinely excited for the season to start.
so, in a content supplying sense, what do you all prefer?
Separate game thread and recap? Typical original day post? Random collections of links and thoughts?
I am just trying to evaluate – as the people upstairs allegedly want more frequent posts – how to get that done in a way that people like.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 3, 2011 12:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like how you change it up a lot
a day post and a gamethread are always great… the recap thing is like an added extra, would only expect that if you have the time to do it
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
ya.... And can you make the Cardinals win tomorrow? PLEASE!
The Redbirds are of the highest priority to me... As it should be
by ANDYAK47 on Apr 3, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Gods Of Baseball are bringing down the hammer, eh?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
day threads are the best kinds of posts
but i think you guys should just write about whatever you feel like. i don’t expect three thought-provoking analytical posts every day. if i can get a chuckle out of a picture capture (tim lincecum is hungry like the wolf), then you guys earned your paychecks
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
Please don't make threads more frequent
One morning post (either full content, linkfest, or just an open thread), 1-2 game threads (or more as needed), and a post game recap thread is the maximum needed.
Anything more than that will stifle discussion, since people won’t commit to a thread if they now people could be momentarily flocking to a new post.
Heck look at the Rams’ SBN blog, Turf Show Times. They have tons of front page posts, but almost no discussion since people don’t stay in posts to converse.
exactly. that is why i don't really post there anymore.
that and people over there are idiots.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Mostly the latter
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
95% the latter.
i was the “bad guy” over there because i had common sense.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the site,
but there are approximately five, maybe six posters who almost completely ruin the place for everyone else.
I feast on the bones of trolls.
by the red baron on Apr 3, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
though i feel obligated to say this every time i talk badly on TST.
ryan does great work. i’m surprised he’s last this long, but i really enjoy what he does.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Who the fuck is Ryan
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
vanram
his real name is ryan. we’re facebook friends and stuff.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, he's good
I actually feel stlcardsfan4 should write for them
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
football seems to be his thing.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
also on that site
HOLY SHIT, STLCARDSFAN4 (we need a shorthand version of his name that’s not gabe)
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
fan4?
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 3, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
that's what i want to use.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Bosniabe?
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Apr 3, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's a rams fan? no wonder he doesn't want people eating lamb.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 3, 2011 12:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I do tend to lean toward the statistical analysis stuff
but I don’t think it should be all that
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm liking the recap, but I know it's more work for you guys.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 3, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
current format seems to be good
morning/game thread and recap for the evening.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I meant the format they have been using since the season started
My understanding was the changes made since then were to appease the higher ups. I wouldn’t want the main posters to have to make more content just for us. If they do want more posts, I’d say just throw out an early morning link dump kinda like they do over at the Blues blog.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it was either more frequent post, or more frequent sacrifices of goats.
I may have misunderstood.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 3, 2011 12:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
higher
someone told dan to post more. . . he was vague about who. Maybe lboros? (I’m assuming it was actually some administrative thing from SBN to try to generate more page views/revenue)
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
can SBN do that? i didn't think anyone actually cared or could control how much posting was done
i didn’t think LB was still the boss, i thought he handed the keys over to Dan.
why would SBN want more post? it seems to me if they are forcing people to write more, the quality of the posts will go down & that will kill whatever page views & revenue they are looking to gain
Balls
I don't know
I was just giving it my best shot. Dan would be the one to answer that, but apparently he’s been busy running for R-7 school board
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
DanUp for an Up Tomorrow!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Apr 3, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yes, *why* do they want more
because if they want fewer comments per page
uh
THAT WILL BACKFIRE.
spectacularly.
and I will not sum it up.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
more frequent post thing explanation
It’s not a big deal, but the site hasn’t grown at all since I got here while just about every other blog on the network has. the people at sb nation would prefer that not be the case. with blogs volume is unfortunately the main driver of traffic.
I am absolutely against changing our one-big-thread format, so the main niche into which we could drop another post seems like postgame, where we can all migrate from a game thread to an actual thread. so far as I can tell, that’ll be the extent of our format changes.
what do they mean by not grown?
there’s more people here than ever before & more people means higher traffic
Balls
commenting is way up, which is great for the quality of the site but not for ad revenue
traffic has apparently been flat.
not a lot of new users?
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
there's tons of newbies
i don’t get how traffic has been flat with so many more & newer people here all the time. VEB has gotten tons of press the last couple seasons too via the PD & other “real” media outlets.
Balls
I think there was a sea change
I remember a lot of users that used to come here a lot, but they have moved on or are not on the internet much.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
need to grow the site…. hard to please everybody though
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
you can please yourself real easily.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
that wasn't an insult, i was just saying if Dan wrote trying
to make all the people who left happy, and all the people who are here happy, no one will be happy.
Balls
I'm not sure that it is that binary
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
a lot of people weren't happy LB left
and there’s nothing anyone can do short of LB taking over again that will make them happy
Balls
I'd like to see him write once a week or something
maybe that’ll happen in the future
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
i think that's really unfair to you.
let’s be honest, larry was really, really good at what he did and probably attracted some daily visitors on a national level that have since disappeared and been replaced with a higher number of actual cardinal fans and in effect canceling each other. but to say the site hasn’t grown seems silly.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't around for Mr. Borowsky's reign
but while I appreciate deeply his work and his cutting edge use of the lowercase, I think DanUp is really, really talented and merits just as much recognition and perhaps even more.
Now think about your Dad.
i absolutely agree.
while dan obviously has a different style, he puts in just as much work for the blog and actually does more policing and other work (sb nation st louis, for example) than larry did. i’m just stating the fact that larry had a national following that probably visited the site on a daily basis during his tenure.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
larry was quite good
different styles though. we are lucky to have both of them!
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
gdm getting nearly killed VEB.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
I'm pretty sure I typed the word "FIRED" there, SBN!
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
sbn is worried about gdm's feelings
it’s a feature, one that is often broken.
by DanUpBaby on Apr 3, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
this is the worst plot twist to Terminator 8: Viva El Judgment Day ever.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
How is that not green?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
from what I can tell there was never really a drop
I can’t be sure, but my guess is that the site plateaued in terms of traffic sometime before larry left. there’s a natural limit to a site that posts once a day about one baseball team, and we’ve probably hit it.
my hope is that by posting twice on gamedays we can get that a little higher without doing anything to change the way the site works, and I’m happy with the growth topping out there.
I know this has been covered
but I’m not going to read 1200 plus comments from today before posting. I read the very beginning of this thread and it appears that what happened at the game went on here too. I can tell you this, it is definitely NOT just a VEB thing to hate on Theriot for not being Brendan Ryan. I heard it from several people at the game today. Some who were obviously fans who follow the club closely, and some who were just casual fans who didn’t even know that Holliday had an appendectomy yesterday.
It started with Ludwick’s single in the second, a play that Boog might have gotten to and continued into the plays he didn’t make in the fifth. There was an elderly gentleman one section over loudly yelling at the dugout “Brendan Ryan would’ve made that play!” I absolutely loved it. I got a picture of him and it will be on the webs soon enough.
Thing is, one can argue that Theriot’s limitations factored into every run scored, except for the Headley bomb in the 9th. I made the argument to Mrs. Scoot as the game was going on. If the SS gets to Ludwick’s ball and makes that play, the inning never gets off the ground. Same thing with the fifth. If Theriot makes either play, you have nobody on and 2 outs and Westy gets out of it unscathed and potentially goes back out for the sixth. The run in the fourth is escaping me for now, so I can’t tie that to Theriot.
Also, yes, Westbrook was not sharp from the get go. I commented to Mrs. Scoot that it was going to be a long game when it took ~25 pitches to get through the first inning that it was going to be a long game. Combine an unsharp pitcher with a defense that can’t make the plays he NEEDS them to make and you have a recipe for disaster. I see a lot has been made of the 8 walks. Like I said, Westbrook wasn’t sharp and I’m afraid combining that with having some defensive letdowns puts more pressure on a guy to try to make a perfect pitch every pitch and increases the margin of error. And can we please stop intentionally walking guys?
Sorry for re-hashing what has surely already been discussed, but I’m pretty disgusted. I will not be making the ~300 mile round trip for another game until things change. It’s just too much time and money to waste on being pissed off. I told Mrs. Scoot on the way home, we go to the games for enjoyment and entertainment and got nothing out of it today. I wasn’t entertained, I was angry and I’m not going to put that much into supporting something that makes me angry. Yes, I know, its only 2 games and not a representative sample size to be making sweeping decisions based off of, but there is nothing to indicate things are going to change without changes made to our defensive alignment. Pitching staff is built to pitch to contact. Defense is built to hit and make plays on balls hit within 2 steps of them.
Also, I witnessed something extremely rare today: Joe Strauss smiling. It broke my camera. (Not really)
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Apr 3, 2011 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I know what your chatting about enjoyment
its why me and my Dad stopped going to Man Utd games a couple of years back.
I’m not trying to make excuses, but according to gameday Westy was getting NOTHING called a strike low in the zone today, the ump is to blame as much as his Riot-ness.
you're
Also note
I WANT Theriot to do good. He is (currently) the starting SS on my favorite team. He’s playing the position that drew me to baseball on the team I’ve followed my whole life. I WANT him to do well because that means my team is doing well. In no way am I rooting against him because that means that my team isn’t doing good.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm pretty far east of back home
According to GPS it was 144 from mrs. scoot’s grandma’s to home. She lives about 10 miles from the stadium.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
about 30 miles north of dexter, yes
cut over to cape, then straight up 55 all the way to StL.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
so that's like 70 miles from Ellsinore, 25 to the bluff, 15 to dexter, 30, that about right?
how often to you eat at Hickory Log? I’m craving them so much right now
Balls
no. . .
~45 to the bluff, 30 to dexter, and I’m not sure about Ellsinore. Things have changed a lot down here. 60 is four lanes basically all the way to Springfield now and they’re working on expanding 67 to four lanes all the way up to 55.
I haven’t ate at Hickory Log in years, but I’ll drive through at Dexter BBQ every couple of weeks.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
sorry, my directions were coming from south to north from ellsinore
it takes about 20min to get to the bluff now, it’s awesome. that used to be a 30min trip. i’ve heard 60 is almost done, it was so different when i was down there in 07-08. i didn’t know they were making 67 four lanes. they should have done that 50 years ago.
i don’t remember Dexter BBQ, we always had old Hickory Log, is it not as good as it used to be?
Balls
last time I went, it was pretty good
But that was probably 10 years ago. My brother does the competition cook offs, and I’m pretty competent in grilling so we don’t go out for BBQ much. Dexter BBQ is pretty good, and is more convenient because they have a drive thru.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
he has a few trophies
from the county fair type cookoffs. He’s not that serious about it.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
nobody asked him for song form.
interesting.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
glad to know the feeling in the stadium was close to that of the game thread
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me
We loved Boog and were sad to see him go
and we really can’t understand what got into Mo.
Now our shortstop’s name sounds kind of like Thoreau
and he makes VEB blow up like a volcano.
Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren’t for bad luck, I’d have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 3, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
You going for a HeeHaw reference?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That just reminds me of that one skit they did while working it around the same song every week.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, that's from HeeHaw.
And apropos with all the gloom and despair and so forth right now.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
but six is a serious number?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Also, you fans of silent science fiction films made in the Soviet Union:
Aelita: Queen of Mars
Wonderful set and costume design along with a fascinating look inside post WWI Soviet Union. It kind of wanders off-course in the middle, but worth checking out.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 3, 2011 12:27 AM EDT reply actions
I think we can safely say that this post applies to only you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Aw.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 3, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I like that sort of thing.
Silent movies are awesome.
I feast on the bones of trolls.
by the red baron on Apr 3, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
isn't "wander off-course in the middle" in the instruction book
For soviet filmmakers? Right next to “make your protagonist an attractive, intelligent proletarian”?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Apr 3, 2011 12:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I'm still not sold on 0-162.
Maybe 1-161. Theriot sucks.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
yep.
twitter.com/Hollidaysappndx
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
http://twitter.com/Hollidaysappndx
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Desperate
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
the first few were good
started to suck soon, though
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
wow.
that is going to be the least timely twitter account ever real soon. I guess I appreciate the effort, though.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
one day i'm going to fast enough to do one of those.
unfortunately, i’m not very witty, so it probably would be a failure.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The bitching about the infield
is infantile. Opening day’s loss was clearly AP’s fault. Today was Westbrook and his pitch selection.
yeah, all those ground balls to short
that his sliders caused were ill-conceived. he should have thrown 89 mph fastballs up high to try to get pop-ups.
It's 7:05 somewhere...
when I was in the Marines
we essentially had drunk fight club. Drink a shit ton of rum and then have an old school boxing match and beat the shit out of each other, only rule was no face shots. When I moved to St Louis and moved in with my friends that were AKLs at Truman, I found out they played basically the same game.
Few months later, we got real drunk one night with about half a dozen guys and they let me in. I laid one of my best friends out with one punch to the stomach and was not allowed to play anymore. They said I punched too hard.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
stomach punches can be really dangerous
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
only if you have no stomach muscles.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
you know, you can kill a guy by slugging him in the stomach.
that’s how Houdini died.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
exactly
you can rupture the liver I believe, is the problem
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
and houdini had been punched in the stomach a lot before
the one dude just hit him in the wrong spot, and obviously too hard
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Awww... you on light duty?
What did they give you, midol?
Common conversation with someone afflicted by this disease.
by RasmustheRipper on Apr 3, 2011 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
freakin' military.
and i had forgotten about the AKL truman story. i feel like we’ve discussed this, if two years ago. i know wayyyyyy too many AKL’s on campus. they annoy me.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
my friends were all bearded hippies that stopped participating in their frat junior year.
Most just joined as underclassmen b/c they thought they were supposed to.
[and it’s not all military. We had to go visit the Army at Ft Bragg, NC in 2003 and got incredibly drunk at our hotel the night before our exercise started. My buddy Daryl and I beat the ever loving shit out of each other (the other guy in our hotel room that night, Matt, said it was the most entertaining fight he had ever seen) and showed up the next day looking like hell. Every time either one of us showed off a bruise to an army guy, the other one would sneak in and punch him. Those army guys thought we were the most retarded fucking idiots to ever walk the earth. Which is what we were going for, as we never wanted to be there in the first place and wanted to leave as fast as possible.]
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
haha joining a frat because you think you have to.
and that just sounds fucking crazy.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
My wife has noted
that frat life in Kirksville is very different than frat life in, say, Columbia or Champaign.
I find small school frats a lot less douchey and a good way to make friends rather than just paying for them.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
we do have a couple decent frats (delta chi and sig ep come to mind)
and a couple that suck (phi kap and lca come to mind) but it’s generally a positive experience from people i’ve talked to. if i could go back and do it all over again, i probably would have rushed as a second semester freshman or first semester sophomore. but it is what it is.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
and from an agnostic pacifist, no less.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
it's kind of opening day for me tomorrow
didn’t watch opening day live. didn’t watch anything beyond the first inning of today’s game
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
Ghost and the Darkness
Watching it now. Can you control your fear?
by ubeddie on Apr 3, 2011 12:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
son of a bitch!
MLB is onto me. i would always get around their ads in the highlights by hitting F5. now it just reloads with the ad
Sometimes I'm naked and thank god, sometimes you're naked. Well, hellooooo...
twatter
random observations
after suffering through the replay:
Maybin can’t hit the curveball away; why throw him anything else?
Theriot is probably trying too hard to impress, but even so the skill-set isn’t there to be anything better than average. T Greene at SS, the sooner the better.
Rasmus still has trouble with lefties, especially up and in, otherwise I think he looks better that ever.
Mark Grace is a real dick.
Also from today
I put up minimum bids on a brendan ryan autographed ball ($25) and set the bidding at $10 on a Mark DeRosa autographed ball at the Cardinals Care silent auction. Didn’t make it back to check on the bids. Have any of you ever won anything in the silent auction? If so, how soon were you contacted?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Apr 3, 2011 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
plenty of time to find out
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
remember when someone claimed the cardinals had the worst middle infield?
what site was that, can’t remember
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
and shit 3rd place batting
one hit or even a strikeout from Albert on Thursday and the team would be at .500
I definitely agree with the sentiment that 2 games basically mean nothing
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say poor results for at least a month
would lead to changes. TLR is too stubborn to make any changes before then.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Apr 3, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i really can't see TLR making the move, DeWitt is going to have to order it
and he’ll only do that if the fans stop coming to the stadium
Balls
Looked like quite a few empty seats today.
I don’t think the performance of their middle infielders had much to do with it, though.
Boog might've. Who's to say, really? With the extraordinary number of variables to account for, Boog very well mightn't've.
by The Continental on Apr 3, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
attendance was around 38,000 IIRC
how close to capacity is that? Remember this was a pretty good promo day too, Matt Holliday mini bat surgical scar day.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
both today and opening day were inflated numbers.
that is tickets sold, not butts in seats. I’ve been embarrassed by the crowds the last two days.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
nope
but lower bowl was maybe 60% full on TV today.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
that's the feeling i got as well.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Opening day
did have an incredible amount of people not in their seats — the concession lines were longer than shit. But a TON of people left after Holliday’s HR in the 8th. Like an embarrassing amount.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
they announced 46,000+ on tv.
which is more than i’ve ever heard. but that’s dumb.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
40,000ish is "sold out"
41,000 is good for a week night
42,500-44,000 is typical weekend numbers
45,000+ is cub game/playoff type
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
that's what I was thinking
so, 2 games into the season, on a Saturday that is a promo day we come up under capacity? BFIB making a point?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
to be fair, attendance kind of blows in april.
weather still kind of sucky and kids still in school. but neither applied today, so yeah.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I was really surprised to see that number.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see if this relatively weak attendance becomes a trend.
bad weather?
i’m wondering if thursday’s clunker has many people thinking it’s 2010 all over again?
Balls
Opening day fans were leaving
at a tied game. I had to walk the dog during the 10th and 11th inning and Shannon was commenting on how the fans were leaving at the top of the 10th. Not after the game was lost, but in time to beat traffic.
the park was half empty in the 9th.
It was sad.
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
and I have tickets to all 3 games in Baltimore
plus I’ll drive to DC to see one game too. I was for the 9th inning shitfest last year.<img src="[IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/2vmj8k2.jpg[/IMG]"/>
you have the stupid [IMG] tag out of there.
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was a pic of Berkman today.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
yeah, that is unfortunate
I understand people leaving today, but in a tied game??
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Honestly, does anyone think we can reach the playoffs?
I want to believe, but I see our team this year as a regression from last’s.
greetings, Rukasu
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't know really
it’s definitely possible. I’ve had worries about the groundball inducing pitching with a defensively poor middle infield, but there are options to alleviate this problem.
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
depends on the West Coast trip
the Cards have a weird schedule this year and don’t play a game west of Houston after Memorial Day. If the Cards happen to finish April at .500 than the odds are they can make the playoffs. If the Cards go 3-7 on the west coast trip, then cancel your Extra Innings package.
if regression is at play at all (and it always is) that means our players will perform better than last year
whether that is enough to overcome Waino is another question.
Now think about your Dad.
Allen Craig is going to get some time to show us what he can do
conform or be cast out
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Apr 3, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone else know Scott Radinsky is a skate-punk?
It’s not very good but he’s signed to Epitaph and stuff. Better than Bronson Arroyo, in any case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMLm8gkS38
Now think about your Dad.
ever have a 90 second moment make your night 800 times better?
fritz sucks
by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 3, 2011 2:24 AM EDT reply actions
orgasm?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Go to Mexico
1. Get drunk
2. Buy pills.
3. ?*
4. Profit
*Film it
"Miller came in from the bullpen with a gan of casoline." - Mike Shannon
When I first read that I thought it said "Flim it" at the bottom.
I spit my Coke all over the keyboard.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If you're doing it right, you will occasionally get a cramp.
That usually means you just got into a position that requires a little extra. Or that you’re just pitifully out of shape.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, gdm is more correct than he knows...
there was a recent study that it was actually those who had not had sex (or frequent cardiovascular exercise) were more prone to dying during la petite mort. a linki. a statistical refutation.
another study showed a correlation in men of four more years of life with more orgasms, and possibly a link to lower rates of prostate cancer.
*I am not French.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think a 90 second orgasm would lead me to an anuerysm
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
I'd trade a 90 second orgasm and death
for a 5 second orgasm and the chance to do it again.
not right away mind you. give me like an hour. maybe longer. I’m getting old.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
But that would be the best anuerysm you could ever have.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
viva el boat shoes question
is it okay to wear boat shoes, but only while listening to vampire weekend?
by DanUpBaby on Apr 3, 2011 3:26 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
if you're wearing boat shoes
you can’t, technically, be nude.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
this is a public service reminder
not to picture anything on VEB.
also, what does this mean for Manny?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're a matty
so there must be some bylaw about that.
only known to mattys.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they are crucial to charming your way across the khyber pass.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
So you would use the skinny tie to repal with?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Apr 3, 2011 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
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