The Year of Gritical Thinking: A Memoir in One Act
THE YEAR OF GRITICAL THINKING
A VIVA EL BIRDOS PLAY IN ONE ACT
CHARACTERS
TONY LA RUSSA, an aspiring author
AARON MILES, gone to Los Angeles
MR. ECKSTEIN, no relation, a literary agent
BRYAN ANDERSON, a backup backup catcher
MATT HOLLIDAY, whose contract is signed
KYLE LOHSE, a pitcher who's reported
COLBY RASMUS, kind of a snob
DAVID FREESE, no stranger to heartache
JIM EDMONDS, experienced veteran
SCENE
[TONY LA RUSSA is in a literary agent's office. He sent his query letters three or four days ago and nobody in New York City has yet gotten back to him. The SECRETARY, who has spent the better part of 10 minutes staring at the dirt on his gray away suit, finally buzzes him in.]
SECRETARY: Mr. Eckstein will see you now.
LA RUSSA [winking at audience]: I'd always heard the gritty controlled the media... this is a cinch.
[MR. ECK-STEEN's office is covered with the mementos of a long and successful publishing career. He's sold novels, popular and literary; biography, exposés and tell-alls; and in the fifties he briefly, unsuccessfully, launched a set of children's books based on the work of Machiavelli and Sun Tzu, which is where Tony La Russa found his name. He remembers Tony's query, for what that's worth.]
MR. ECKSTEIN: Ah—you must—you must be the Gritical Thinking fellow.
LA RUSSA: That's me! So you liked it?
MR. ECKSTEIN: It was very—memorable. I need to have a word with my secretary.
[Meanwhile, at ROGER DEAN STADIUM, in a locker room set positioned to the agent's office's right, MATT HOLLIDAY and BRYAN ANDERSON discover a manuscript sitting in the empty locker room. It looks like a first draft—all the names have been sharpied over, and there are marginal notes saying things like "Grittier!" and "This sounds too effortless." The locker room is half-empty—some of the team still hasn't arrived, and others are fogging up the windows outside JOHN MOZELIAK's office, where ALBERT PUJOLS is rumored to be sitting.]
ANDERSON: Every time I see something in his handwriting, I—well, I'm hoping I'll eventually figure out what I did to him. Is there any "B___ A____." character in there? Does he slash T___ L_ R____'s tires?
HOLLIDAY: There's a B. all over the place in the first few pages, but he got x'd out pretty early. Tell me if it starts to sound like you—"B. cannot hit and it does not worry me. B. plays shortstop like a gazelle and he runs the bases like a gazelle and you might ask if he hits like a gazelle. You might ask: Does he. He does not. Gazelles don't hit in the savanna, they run, and to hit a lion would be..." And so on.
ANDERSON: Nah, I kind of hit like a gazelle. Flip through a little more, it's getting kind of funny.
HOLLIDAY: Sure, sure. But you have to—you have to swear you'll tap my shoulder if you see Albert coming. Put the weights in my hands if you have to, I have to—I must be busy for Albert.
ANDERSON: ...
HOLLIDAY [clearing his throat]: "I knew A. when there was dirt on his uniform and the place where Busch Stadium sat was all dirt. Now there's fake grass there and places for cars to sit and he is gone from us,"
LA RUSSA: "... and the dirt on N.P. and S.S. seems false somehow without his there and Busch's." That's just from memory, though, so some of the particulars may be wrong. I must have misplaced my hard copy.
MR. ECKSTEIN: So this is a memoir about a baseball player.
LA RUSSA: Well—the baseball player, really. He's iconic. He stands for—
MR. ECKSTEIN: America?
LA RUSSA: —for grit. Scrappiness. Play-hardiness, Mr. Eckstein.
MR. ECKSTEIN: That's Eckstein. I'm not sure about the audience for this. And you are aware The Year of Magical Thinking is about Joan Didion's husband dying, I hope? I'm not sure it's quite appropriate to—
LA RUSSA: You must not have gotten to the end. After Aaron—after A. leaves for Hollywood I'm left at the foot of the Arch, pondering my life to this point. Pondering our lives to this point, as scrappers. "I'll remember I used to know A., and he..."
HOLLIDAY [choked up. It's been some time since he started reading and his voice is beginning to crack from the strain]: "... and he never washed the dirt off. He played in the dirt and the dirt was his. He wasn't like B. who could not hit like a gazelle might hit and eventually stopped running, and gazelles are eaten when they stop running, eaten and useless—"
ANDERSON: B., you miserable bastard.
HOLLIDAY: I know man, I know. "and on the savanna A. would have run not to draw attention to himself but to help the herd survive. Our herd was thinner now and taller, and he was gone to Hollywood where there is no one like A. And underneath the Arch with CUBS SUCK in the snow I thought about all the other things that sucked. The Arch is the Gateway to the West. Eero Saarinen designed the Arch and he went west as well and died there near the palm trees." The—the—the end, man.
ANDERSON: I can't believe it's over. I—I'm going to go cut myself from Major League camp. It'll feel like he's here, that way.
HOLLIDAY: My life is different now.
LOHSE [sobbing]: You—you can show me the illustrations now. I'm ready.
RASMUS: ...
RASMUS: ...
RASMUS: I found it somewhat derivative of the new journalism.
LOHSE: Yeah, but you always say that.
FREESE: My heart hurts now.
FREESE: But I'm not sure it's related.
MR. ECKSTEIN: I can see there's a lot of real emotion here, Mr. La Russa, but I'm not sure this is what the creative nonfiction audience is looking for. We get a lot of illness, and a lot of religious awakening, and a lot of travel, but I haven't sold anything about free agency in some time.
LA RUSSA: I figured we could work on that in the editing process. Los Angeles is really a metaphor for a lot of things. And when I say Dodgers—I hope you noticed that someone is always dodging their true feelings.
MR. ECKSTEIN: And to be honest I think a publisher would have legal problems if they were to print half of what you say about B.
LA RUSSA: You can't sue somebody for truth-telling, David. Mr. Eckstein. It's one thing to not hit, but the way he did it—it makes my skin crawl. As far as the auction for the rights goes, I was figuring we could pick out one publisher and just tell them that all the other publishers were out to get them. And we kind of get this sauna atmosphere going, really tense, and at the end of it we make the playoffs even though I'm throwing J. and J. and J. and A. out there every five days. Even S. a few times.
MR. ECKSTEIN: I'm—I'm still a little hung up on the title.
LA RUSSA: Ask Joan Didion to read through it. Ask her if she's a cat person or a dog person, too, I need to send her a thank-you card and I have to know which one.
EDMONDS: What are you guys up to? I heard someone doing a really bad Joan Didion impression from the showers.
FREESE: You know Joan Didion?
EDMONDS: Oh, yeah. You could say that.
HOLLIDAY: That's gross, man.
LOHSE: I'm not sure I—
HOLLIDAY: And probably not true.
EDMONDS: We were young, man, and Californian.
LOHSE: I don't—
EDMONDS:
LOHSE: This is another sex joke, right? B. used to explain all the sex jokes...
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"B. used to explain all the sex jokes."
Hilarious. And probably true
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 8, 2011 6:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
"Our herd was thinner now and taller"
gorgeous
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Same here. I'm a packers fan too and I've been bottled up in the SB run
And hiding from the blinding glow of grit St. Louis is taking on, but I miss baseball and VEB, this is the best site on the Internet. APC is blogging for the SB champs and they get 20 comments a thread. VEB gets 500 comments a thread in the offseason, awesome.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 8, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Does think that
Michael Young might be a good option for us?
would this not make our team worse by doing this?
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
He's like right handed Skip Schumaker with power.
That makes him a good player, but he’s extremely expensive and bad at defense. He makes $16M every year until 2013- that’s Albert Pujols’s salary for Derek Jeter’s production. The Rangers would literally need to eat a total of about $30M per year and take nothing of value (Skip Schumaker) in return.
His contract is so bad that if we traded them Kyle Lohse for him straight up, we would be getting a bad deal.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Feb 8, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The Lohse trade explanation is 100% accurate.
Well done.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 8, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
no
he’s an awful middle infielder so he’d have to play third base. freese is a better fit, given the moneys involved.
I initially read this as
“given the monkeys involved.”
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
flying monkeys
might be worth it
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I got so sad
“I knew A. when there was dirt on his uniform and the place where Busch Stadium sat was all dirt. Now there’s fake grass there and places for cars to sit and he is gone from us,”
I thought the A was Albert.
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
I have to say
You are a very interesting cow. Will you be here to cheer me up if/when we get the bad news? The non-news is getting increasingly discouraging.
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
have you ever seen Cows with Guns?
We could have you and some of your friends go after any teams that try to steal away Albert.
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
these are always a treat
we need to create a TV show based on a kyle lohse as portrayed in danup’s one act plays
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
"Orange Slice"
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 8, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
if you ever find yourself running a network
and in need of a slightly surreal sitcom about thinly fictionalized baseball players, ghosts, the river styx etc. let me know and I’ll put the script together.
don't forget the piles of sitcom ideas VEB generated
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think VEB has an inflated idea of its own coolness
it’s probably more like Full House
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
cut it out
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 8, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
okay
how about EastEnders
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
They never would have cancelled Boog if he had a catchphrase as good as "Whoa!"
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
only none of the women here
would actually sleep with let alone marry one of you
you and gdm might have to be our chandler and monica
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
what a pitch! "it's like friends but no one has any sex!'
I can hear the network execs applauding!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Feb 8, 2011 10:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
has no one on this post said "beta male" yet?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ohhhh yeah I forgot about that one
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Maybe sex on TV has become passe
It’s kind of like how MTV doesn’t even bother with a facade of music anymore.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i have thought for awhile about writing a script for a comedy about professional athletes
wanna collaborate?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
i don't get it
she didn’t mention hammocks
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but seriously
you have to compete with The Game. it’s on BET, I think.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
does he want to massively restructure his contract?
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
Someone in the comments thinks that we are overlooking Garcia.
Even if that were true, we would have to be overlooking him quite a bit to make that a sensical trade in any way.
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 8, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
I know, it made me laugh
Yeah, we’re overlooking our #3 starter….umm, no.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
If we didn't have the money for Uggla, who is younger, better, and cheaper(!) then why would we have the money for Young?
I can imagine a universe where this is a good deal, but it includes a Lohse/Schumaker package and a lot of cash coming back this way.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Feb 8, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're on a roll this morning.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 8, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
They would Have to Eat....
…at least 20 mil of that cowtract, and take Louse and Skip off our hooves. That might work, as long as we don’t extend that contract. Rememebr, we need to cowpare him to Skip, and not Uggla, whom we never had. His bat is much better than Skip’s; is his D worse? I don’t think so, and if they will eat some salary this cud actually work…
:=8)
Whoya finna try?
They'd have to eat more than that.
He was a 2.5 WAR player last year at 3B. Considering how much worse he is at 2B defensively, he’d probably be a 2 WAR player there, and that’s probably where he gets the majority of his AB’s.
If the Rangers agreed to pick up half the money owed to him ($24M) and we give up nothing useful in return then it MIGHT be a good deal for us.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Could be
Although I’d much rather they take Lohse, and Lohse might be valuable to them if he can make only road starts as a #5 guy in their rotation.
Actually, Lohse is probably more useful than Young at this point — Young has nowhere to play.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
And away from Arlington, he's a .279/.322/.411 hitter
which is essentially Skip.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Do you have proof that guys who move away from Arlington
immediately regress to their road numbers? If not, that’s the Coors Effect stuff that really hasn’t been proven as an effective measure all over again.
Keep in mind, a significant portion of those road games are at SafeCo, Anaheim, and Oakland — not exactly hitters paradises. So that could skew his road numbers if this analysis were to be believed.
I think he’s a really overrated player, which is why Texas replaced him. But unless they’re crafty, they’re going to end up eating his entire contract.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Notables off the top of my head
would be Gary Matthews and Milton Bradley leaving and the rejuvenation of Vlad, but I’m not willing to do any real research on it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Vlad rebounded and was terrific at the end of his last year in Anaheim
if I recall.
Milton has always had high-end talent.
Matthews, though, is inexplicable.
Roids-park factor-contract year-luck
done.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
by guayzimi on Feb 8, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's see:
Mark DeRosa was basically the same player with the Cubs as he was with the Rangers.
Mark Teixeira hasn’t fallen off a cliff since going to Atlanta, Anaheim, and the Yankees.
Alfonso Soriano did just as well in New York, Washington and with the Cubs (when he’s healthy) as he did in Texas.
A-Rod…well, he’s been pretty good in pinstripes and with a compass on his hat.
Gary Matthews sucked in 2005 and had a career year in 2006, both with the Rangers. So I don’t think it’s the ballpark, it was whatever Gary Matthews was eating in the summer of 2006.
If you’re trying to base performance at a particular ballpark and off the top of your head you come up with the games biggest headcase in 30 years, well, that can’t help your cause. Not to mention that Bradley was a pretty good player in Cleveland (147 OPS+ in 2003), but just got hurt a lot in other places. He put up a 1.000 OPS in limited time in San Diego before his career year with the Rangers too.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Did any of those guys have a .126 drop in their OPS on road games while in Texas?
Also a .357(!) Babip in Arlington. Michael Young has that place figured out.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Actually
they all had significantly lower SLG on the road, same as Young. But I don’t know that this means a whole lot when you look at the unbalanced schedule of ballparks where they play road games in their division — I would expect their slugging to take a hit in places like Oakland, Seattle, and Anaheim.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
if they traded for Young, and didn't have Texas eat almost all of his contract
and then didn’t sign Albert…yeah, I might be done with this team for at least a few years
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
worst GM ever
if that goes down like that.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Agreed
They would have to take Lohse and a C prospect back (maybe David Kopp? maybe the flamethrower we got in the Ryan deal?) while picking up $25M+ of his remaining deal.
Here’s the interesting thing I keep thinking though: what if they offered to juice the trade with one of their prospects?
They’re pretty much set for the foreseeable future at 3B and SS, but have two good, young prospects at those positions that they could throw into a trade so as not to take back money for Young. I mean, if they took Lohse off our hands, and offered Profar (who looks like a budding star although very young) or Mike Olt (good glove/high OBP guy at 3B) to juice the deal, wouldn’t it be worth taking back Young’s entire contract? At that point, we get a SS for the future and we’re only adding about $4M to the payroll the next two years, and the 2013 payroll could be considerably more flexible to accommodate his full salary that year.
The Rangers would really have to want to dump his ass to make a deal like that, but from our side of things it would make a lot of sense.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Must be getting close to baseball.
Good to see you FS.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Postscript:
With the way Texas seems to scout Latin America and the draft, I could see them offering up a B/B+ prospect to dump his contract. They can always go out and get another prospect, and the enhanced payroll flexibility of not having Michael Young’s anchor on their books would be better for them in the short run.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
In case you haven't heard
We are broke. No tenemos dinero. Jurickson Profar is toolsy and young, but so far, nothing close to proven.
It's a no go unless they give cash or take Lohse.
I would think they’d rather take Lohse than give cash. The prospect throw in was just a general musing on my part.
I don’t think Michael Young makes us much better, but a chance to get rid of Kyle Lohse? One has to take that seriously!! :-D
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
on twitter.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
In the situation that they did approach us about interest,
and were willing to eat 30 out of the 48 million, who would trade Cox for him? What exactly is Cox’s projected value? I’ve considered him a low-upside but consistent player, so, that would seem worth it for me. They really don’t have a place for him to play.
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 8, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
No one can trade Cox for him. It's against the rules.
He hasn’t been a professional for a year.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 8, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't there a loophole?
I thought he could be included in the PTBNL?
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 8, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah,
but if you’re Texas, why would you agree to a PTBNL in principle, when that player will play for months and, in doing so, possibly suffer an injury? That’s why you don’t often see a PTBNL until close to the trade deadline when there is typically only a few weeks until the prospects hit the one-year mark.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you're saying we should trade a second baseman/third baseman prospect
for a second baseman/ third baseman veteran because you say they really the cards org don’t have a place for him to play?
No
The Rangers don’t have a place for him to play. He would be a sizable upgrade over what we have for (hopefully) three years. The question becomes whether the difference in value is great enough to justify Cox’s value.
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 8, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Not in depth, but did a couple quick searches
Using this explanation for draft values and giving the upgrade a value of 5 WAR over all three years, I think it could be reasonable. Fangraphs counted Theriot as 0 last year and 1.8 averaged the last three while Young was worth 2.7 and averaged 3.0 the last three.
by RasmustheRipper on Feb 8, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
a quite nice story on Pujols this morning
Guess who’s coming to dinner? In Decatur, it’s Albert and Dee Dee
It was Bret Jerger who told him, “I know you don’t want to talk about your contract, but we just want you to know that as Cardinal fans, we sure hope you’ll stay in St. Louis.”
The comment unlocked something, and Pujols proceeded to tell the men “off the record” thoughts about the process of his negotiation.
“At one point, he said, ’I’m telling you guys more about this than I’ve said to anyone,’ " Bob Brady said. "And you find yourself thinking, ’We’re here with Albert Pujols, and he’s talking about his contract.’ "
quick, someone look these people up and call them
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I thought this article was a good sign
Would AP say to fan, even off the record, “yeah, I’ll talk about it. I’m holding out for the moon?” I don’t think so…
Hey Mark Tupper in the p-d!
Hooray Illini beat writer!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
didn't this rip off the article some other newspaper did?
GOB forbid there’s any real reporting.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah it's from the Decatuar paper
probably share orgs.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
you know it was #poached
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in any case
the crack team of VEB collective already linked to the Decatur story.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is my optimism about Pujols unrealistic?
I figure at least one of these two scenarios has happened, and maybe both:
AP: Hey, Lozano. Hold on until the last day and get as much for as long as you can, then sign.
DeWitt: Hey, Mo. Try to get him for as little as possible, then make it happen at the last minute doing whatever you need.
Is this implausible? Just 1 of these needs to happen. And either of these could be happening and still give us the rather depressing narrative of the negotiations so far.
Am I off-base? Seems like there are a lot of pessimistic people here.
i think the narrative would be a lot less depressing
if joe strauss was never born
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Feb 8, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Straussie was never born
who would mrs. diablo be married to. She might be all alone.
Who would BJ Rains have to look up to: “Someday I could become him”.
I have to agree I would be a lot better off though.
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
I would hope BJ Rains looks up to his dad, Rob Rains.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Yes but Rob Rains is respectable
BJ or Strauss not so much. I was being sarcastic. Next time i’ll try to be more obvious!
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
I know other folks with experience in negotations have posted,
but it is not at all surprising that the negotiation process is approaching the deadline. It’s very possible that neither side has put forth its best and final offer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I believe it is unrealistic, unfortunately
as “doing whatever you need” isn’t possible.
True, that's a really vague phrase
I guess I think that if DeWitt thinks retaining AP, even if that means paying something huge like 10/300, is a good business decision, and it might be, he’ll do it.
And Albert, if he really wants to stay a cardinal, and there are a lot of indicators he does, he’ll settle for 8/200. And either of those things would get it done.
Anyway, that’s my amateur thinking :)
he won't settle for that
this is business and if he doesn’t get what he wants or close i believe his agent will advise him to wait until next year
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
i agree with ddee
8/230 maybe, but you have to make him the highest paid player.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
not only that, the only pressure to get it done is on us
his manager stands to make a significant amount from the deal and i am sure he’ll be able to convince him to at least wait until the exclusive window we have next year if we’re not giving him what he wants now
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
How long is the exclusive window next year?
That’s a good point.
I still would think that if he really wants to stay, he’d take the money. 8/230 is a huge amount of money. And he could get hurt or decline this year. Anyway, that’s what I would do, which, of course, means nothing :)
end of our season until 5 days after the WS
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
more like we only have 9 days to sign him
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Feb 9, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he would be satisfied in highest AAV rather than total.
6 years $200M with 2 player options(years 7 and 8) @ mumble mumble mumble.
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
I remain optimistic
doesn’t hurt. cuz if he doesn’t sign anyway, we will have a ton of extra $ to spend on other players. we were blessed with the time we had, but also I haven’t heard him say he’d rather play for anyone else.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I have a really bad feeling Michael Young is going to be a Cardinal...
this sucks.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
That's just rediculous...
he’s a aging, two-win player with a terrible contract. He’s better than Schumaker and worse than Freese. I’m done with Mo forever if this happens, unless we convince them to take Lohse or pay almost all of Young’s contract.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
I'd be happy to bring him here if it moves skipping out of the starting position
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
And if they eat a big chunk of contract...
….and take Louse and Skip off our hooves, what then?
Whoya finna try?
it won't happen
and i really don’t know that they will be able to move him at all
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Meh, only if it's a result of Albert leaving would I be pissed at it.
It really depends what the Rangers want and what they are willing to do ie. eat salary. I personally don’t have any faith in David Freese, so I think he would be an upgrade considering the fact that he was 3.9 WAR player in 2009, and a 2.7 WAR player in 2010 with a .311 BABIP (Below his career average).
I wouldn’t take him with the salary, but if they ate 30m, I would listen.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i would be ok if
we traded loshe & skip straight up. we would pick up ~21.5 MM in net salary over 3 years (plus whatever we paid Lohse’s replacement)…young, at 2nd base, for 3 years @ 7-8 MM per? that aint bad.
It could be really bad...
he’s 34, and he hasn’t played the position in eight years. A 3/21 for such a guy is wildly imprudent.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
another factor
i think 15 mil of his salary is deferred, but i don’t know the structure of the deferral
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Man, I have been having the same feeling.
What’s with this VEB-collective-interweb-consciousness? It’s freaky sometimes.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
A comment
from a story on the mothership:
EmilyK wrote:
Skip will do really good this year at 2nd, and it helps that we have someone that can play short stop. It was hard last year for Skip to have to play 2nd and short.
And this is why I don't read comments there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 8, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My faith in humanity just died a little bit...
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Feb 8, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
As hard as it was for Skip to hit enough for 2nd and short
It was even harder for BR to defensively cover short and 2nd
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that's why his moustache didn't grow
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
and third
ah i miss boog
and miss daily baseball
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
So sad...
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms...the game of ball is glorious." Whitman
she probably meant
play 2b and BE short
cause apparently she doesn’t even know what playing ss means. or playing second for that matter
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
5'10"
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Isn't that almost exactly average for the U.S.?
I realize we’re talking about professional athletes and not the male population at large, but still.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yes, I assume it would be below the MLB average though.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Eh.
From down here in the 5th percentile it all kind of blurs together.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah, when I hear someone complaining about being 5-10 I kinda wanna punch them
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
an informative illustration!
http://stltoday.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26071184&event=859033&CategoryID=38576
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's not like there's a bow.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hey I was at that game
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
and you still didn't see Ludwick's double
you’re useless
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was in the top deck!
I though it was fair, but I didn’t have a very good perspective at all
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
I feel this one-act needs an illustration of some sort. courtesy of d-dee's screencap.

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i wish they'd at least traded boog and bombs as a combo pack...
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Feb 8, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they are so farrrrr awayyyyy from each other

would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by the way, d-dee
this is on the test
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well what the hell is it?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
only linking it because she asked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yb5yVN6Axo
that’s essentially it, i’m just betting it’s home-made enough for the lawyers not to yank
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Citizenship Test Section E: Fill in the blanks with the appropriate term
1. “There are no ____ in America / and the streets are paved with ______!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
civilized people, road kill
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
pitching prospects, elbow ligaments
Is it March 31st yet?
by TBender on Feb 8, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
captain obvious strikes again
from fsnmw
He was even more surprised to see manager Tony La Russa still putting him in the lineup.
“Part of it was I don’t think he had another option for a while,” Schumaker joked. “With (David) Freese being hurt, that worked out for me. Tony has confidence in his players. […]”
really? why don’t we ask a colby rasmus or a brendan ryan or a tyler greene if that’s true…
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Completely OT: So I was reading the New York Times
Apparently, Boog has been released by the Mariners and has entered the field of foodservice:
"We’re in the business of feeding kids, so it’s heart-wrenching to all of us to have to get parents to pay this way," said Brendan Ryan, director of food services at Framingham Public Schools.
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I probably wouldn't be procrastinating anymore.
there's also a politician.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Per MLBTR
The Cardinals signed Fernando Gonzalez, a 16-year old right-hander, for $66K. Gonzalez has drawn comparisons to a young Leo Nunez, according to the league.
God I'm old.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
what an incredibly mean thing to say.
I would say something about your mother to get back at you, but I fear the shock value of that insult may have worn off.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Feb 8, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't get it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Gonzalez was born the day before
Courtney killed Kurt.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
TUPAC!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
might as well have
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Gerald Ford is dead
and I’m gay!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
she was eaten by wolves.
She was delicious.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
at the senseless age of 83
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
by moboiler on Feb 8, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
G-hhherald F-hhhord d-hhead today, he was eaten by wolves.
He was delicious.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Leslie Lynch King, Jr.
Yummm.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Heh.
I learned about Cobain’s death during practice in my last year of little league.
I guess this means that I’m too old to develop new skills and make it as the Cardinal’s shortstop?
I think the shotgun was more troubling.
And I’ll have you know that I won my 5th grade DARE essay contest, so I was already a veritable expert on drugs.
hmm...
I think the shotgun was more troubling.
You should know we’re proud Americans here.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
kidding...
still, chronically depressed heroin addicts can form an important part of any well-regulated militia.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
by guayzimi on Feb 8, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If the pujols extension stalls over 66,000
I’m going to be PISSED!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 8, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
this is getting old
heh
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I can't wait for when
some small theatre company in St. Louis gets completely on board with one of these and we end up seeing it on YouTube.
/hint, hint for any small theatre companies out there
go cards, rams, blues, mizzou...
...boiler up.
J. ALBERT PUJOLS
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
With the count 1/2
5th pitch, BA coolly drops the sign for a change-up. Chris C. is mumbling something, scowling, as he steps off the rubber. BA, gear shaking like a little leaguer jogs out to the mound, seeking clarity, solidarity. Chris, glove barely covering his mouth explains, " I don’t throw a fucking change-up". " I throw three pitches, curve/slider, and sinking fastball.
From that point on, BA just starts cycling through his pitches, Chris starting his wind up when he sees one he likes, hoping BA remembers the last one shown.
BR wasn’t in the batting cage when he was late for his appearance. He is a good kid. Let him find himself. Let him go.
What is it.........that you are trying.............to say?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and how does he know where BR was?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Lohse told him, obviously.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
what were they doing at the time
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Drinking an orange slice,
or alternately, riding motorcycles.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
dirt bikes
?
what is the correct term for this, I don’t even know
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I also have things to say about stuff
by purple_haze on Feb 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
1. Say things about stuff
2. Post it on VEB
3.?
4. Profit!!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm 26 years old and what is this
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
No.
It’s him. His style is so distinctive. If it’s not him, it’s his twin brother.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Even without the elipses.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
a copycat might be even more frightening.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cody spewed Comic Sans yesterday
I’d be surprised if he doesn’t have a hit out on him
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
is this fan fiction?
a soliloquy?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
will he be sleepless in seattle?
finding himself?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I was referring to BR
I’m assuming that mean boog
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I need to let go, but it ain't easy
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
the Seattle meme may die with that unhappy coincidence
I was really hoping Minnesota would pick him up.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
from my cold dead fingers.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but it's really up to RiverRat
he’s keeping the litany alive.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just hope he gets to play shortstop and not stuck at second base most of the time
that would suck
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
he's continued on his career path
he’s blocked by two people, this time. one of them is Jack Wilson. (last I checked. it’s been a few months)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
then what is it mystic monks
Gaze in your omphalos.grey sweet mother. And you would not even bow your head Kinch. Nother dying come home.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Feb 8, 2011 10:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Some guys I knew in college have a band called Kinch.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I found a jump drive that is discreet
Fritz, I suggest you pick one up.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That dog is being fellatioed by a laptop.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
fellated
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that leaves out the long o
which is the best part of fellatio. My word stands.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Aranathor would've.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
doc, tell Cody about
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I think
this one would be right up RB’s or CFIC’s alley.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
cool
I am contemplating selling mini albums on usb sticks at shows
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
so how many days before P&C reporting?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions
they're already there.
they just can’t stay away.
also, they heard that Jaime is even more JAIME now, so they had to go down there to see that.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah
I’m not even making that up
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they are chomping at the bit
they have surpassed the Grit era… even the serious era. hopefully the Ridiculous era is about to begin?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
here, you can read all the news in the Truck Day thread
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
alas, I must return to my paper shuffling
gotta make the big bucks
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
some of them are pictures.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I heard jaime throws a 98 mph sinking fastball/cutter now.
/my sources are to be kept secret though.
anyone still pine for the Walrus?
http://footer.mlblogs.com/archives/2011/02/brett_wallace_visits_texas_chi.html
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
though that one kid is like, dude, I'm in a gown, lay off the paparazzi
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nope, just the fjords.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
how the heck did we trade him
if he’s only 12 years old ? man he looks young.
BASEBALL
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:39 PM EST reply actions
NOT YET.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
PLEASE.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
ALMOST.
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
man, there are so many jokes I could go to right now...
but 90% of them are probably ill-advised
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
bring it, i am a bit bored
and since you’re not rui, i promise to try to not turn them on your mother
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I have to leave the basement, actually
I’ll leave it to people who have watched more Simpsons and/or told more dick jokes.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
#thingsfangneverhearsinbed
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Of couse not
Hands don’t talk
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
captain obvious strikes AGAIN
since there’s no baseball yet, might as well read this crap
at least it’s not about the pujols contract and it’s not written by strauss
Holliday settled in St. Louis
And after living in the warmer Texas climate, Holliday was treated to several inches of snow and frigid temperatures upon arrival. But that didn’t bother him, even after some kidding from teammate Skip Schumaker.
“It’s fine, honestly,” Holliday said. “I told Skip the other day – he was bragging about his Orange County weather, and I told him, ’It’s 70 in my house every day. And if it’s sunny, it’s sunny and 70.’ I get the same weather he gets.”
[…]
“I assume I am playing left,” Holliday said. "They haven’t told me otherwise. I would be willing to move over if that’s what Lance wanted or Tony wanted. Obviously, I’m more comfortable in left, but I think given six or seven weeks in spring training I could get pretty comfortable there.
“I’d like to know, just so for repetitions sake and extra work and if (playing right) is going to be the case, I’m probably going to be out there in the mornings getting some extra work done.”
i mean seriously, how can you not like the guy, who cares if he listens to creed?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
it is seriously a requirement to like matt holliday at this point, right?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
how could you not
his gigantic head and his seeming clumsiness in left are so misleading
and he ate ALL the pie we sent him
what else is there but to like him?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
and he chest-bumps on request.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i thought you were lookin' for more stuff to hate
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
fang hates lego?
do we need to suspend his veb membership until he sobers up?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
i dunno, i'm just confused
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think he's baffled as to why anyone would still need to be convinced to like Matt Holliday.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
hell no.
i love me some matt holliday. proud owner of both his tee shirt jerseys and supported his trade/signing from day 1 of both.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
what? i don't need anything more to hate. i've got enough on my list.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
snap out of it
or i’ll break you in half come veb day
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
i don't think that means what you think it does.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
nothing in this country means what i think it does
should i be offended about it? just for good measure?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
It means vigourous love-making.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
what other kind is there?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
did fang tell you stories about sex again?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
well for one, there is the Sheckie special.
It involves female disappointment, and me crying in the fetal position afterwards.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i HATE february.
i’m probably in some of my worst moods of the year in february. i literally count down the days left in february because i hate so GD much. only 24 more days until march 4th.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
well february doesn't like you much either so...
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
good, because it can kiss my ass. i will fight it to the death.
and i won’t even start with my least favorite day of the year. it happens to be in february. you can all guess what it might be.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
no, but that day sucks too.
boo being a big kid and not getting that day off.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
CHARLES DICKENS DAY?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Groundhog Day?
Thomas Edison’s b-day? Susie B’s b-day? Ex-Planet Pluto’s discovery day? I think that about covers it…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
i like him
his tremendous skull may yet become emblematic of the Cards
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Did someone say "Creed"?
I could’ve sworn someone mentioned “Creed”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
what? you don't like flowy manes and chest hair?
bon jovi not your type either?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
more for Aranathor
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
you gotta take one for the team buddy
how’d your adventure from last night go? spare the details
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Oh yeah
I was going to elaborate; but then he mysteriously showed up outside my room. It was fun; hopefully be seeing him again.
Sparse enough for you? Cause there really isn’t anything to tell, sat in my room and chatted drunken shit til like 6.30 then went to sleep.
I miss gdm
coffee?
What country are you in?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Enjoy grunge music!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
don't deny your roots fritz
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
The day I can't make a joke about Engish people liking tea is the day we retroactively forfeit the revolutionary war due to NCAA infractions.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
i'm reccing this.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget their teeth.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
And their stupid ambulance sirens!
Waaaaaaaaah Wooooooooo Waaaaaaaaah Woooooooo
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i hear their cops don't carry no guns.
how do they shoot people?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Feb 8, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they just ask them politely to drop dead
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Feb 8, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn their dry wit.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aranathor?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Somehow I doubt the golden locks
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard rumors
that your military is secretly developing a longbow so large that you could fire it across the Channel and make accurate strikes as far away as Paris.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
They actually quit developing that.....
France caught wind and immediately surrendered.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
this thread is most excellent.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
CREED!!!!1!!!
best band of the 90’s.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
captain obvious sure is sneeky
he tweets the link
then fsnmw tweets the link
then he waits some half an hour, deletes the old tweet, tweeks the headline a little and retweets it
sneeky asshat
ENOUGH ALREADY!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
that would be an interesting lineup
but who bats 6th?
I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards
there is this guy that likes cheese so much, he's named after it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
CLANK AND CHALK IN THE SAME THREAD ALERT
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
by IHeartBoog on Feb 8, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
0 days until clanks and chalks report.
by DanUpBaby on Feb 8, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Baseball's Mad Lexicon
These are the maddest of possible words
Clank to chalk to spants
Trio of commenters crazy ‘bout birds
Clank to chalk to spants
Stoking the coals of our offseason fever
So bored for baseball, we recced Justin VEBer
Spants kept the rhyme scheme, she’s good with a cleaver
Clank to chalk to spants
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Feb 8, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
Last I heard
he’s in love.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
AJ, Ezra, Albert, Jimmy, Dee Dee?
or Sophia, now that would surprise the scouts
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sophia Dahl?
I’d like to see her swing a bat.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
You shut it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
"gato" is a cat, not "gado." "delgado" means slender.
So, “skinny charlie” would be a better translation.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Feb 9, 2011 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The reason why Pujols negotiatins are "going nowhere"
Cards have not made an offer to Albert Pujols
According to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the Cardinals have not yet made an offer to Albert Pujols.
Brown thinks that might be a bad thing, but the news does make some sense. Pujols said he wants talks to cease when spring training opens, and that isn’t set to happen for another nine full days. The Cardinals might simply be waiting until the pressure of that deadline gives them some kind of leverage. Pujols has expressed a desire to remain in St. Louis more times than we can count. If he’s serious about sticking around and keeping his family in one place, he may be open to budging on his massive asking price once the clock is ticking at its loudest.
So either they’re going horribly, terribly wrong… or they haven’t even started but the noise vacuum still needed filling with wild guesses.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if that's true, Albert is probably pretty frustrated right now
to say the least
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if he really would be.
He knows he’s going to get paid regardless. Even if the Cards never even make an offer, he’s in the driver’s seat.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
well, somewhat frustrated any way
he does seem pretty mellow though
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hasn't all of the other speculation centered on rumor that the Cards low-balled Pujols with a sub-$200MM offer?
What speculation and rumor-mongering is a fan to believe?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 8, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
hopefully none of it
don’t buy into the narrative
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
How on earth does the pressure of the deadline give the organization some kind of leverage?
Seems backward to me
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
my thoughts exactly
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I don't think it gives anyone anything
I think it’s time to just whip ’em out, gents!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
maybe my favorite comment ever on VEB (yes, i'm REALLY bored)
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 3:56 PM EST reply actions
And hey that's me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
HOW WAS YOUR DATE?!?!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
It was good!
We chatted a lot, mostly about what I can do to get myself hired by a team
He doesn’t think the Cards will have any openings any time soon
I think he was impressed with me, told me that he thought I could handle more meaningful and harder work, and that he’ll start sending more my way
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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cool.
Are you like an independent contractor for them now?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Not anymore than I was before
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
yeah thats what I meant.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You stole that, so I won't rec it again.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yes, it was you.
pies are on the way to springfield.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
fuck.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
really?
i’m happy
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Feb 9, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Young is owed $48 million over the remaining three years of a cumbersome contract.
Yup, that would do it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if it wasn't for the $
i think the cards might have done something. because i just can’t rely on david “glass ankles” freese anymore.
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
if it wasn't for the $
i’d be in vegas right now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
still without a girl.
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 8, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
am i going to get away from this joke? soon? this year? next year? ever?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
uh, st. patrick's day maybe? this summer?
probably not any time in the next 24 months. i’ll just end up lying about it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Things Fang should've done in the first place for $1000 Alex.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i had one honest night with you guys.
and it just ended up turning into a huge joke.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
and this surprises you because?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it doesn't.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
And sometimes your dad comes onto the website
and calls you a suburban pussy
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
did you say something suburban pussy?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 8, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hey, that wasn't me.
that was my dad being a total dick. then again, i’m totally used to my dad being a dick.
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
there's a difference
i didn’t say things about my personal life and then got victimized by it.
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
what? your dad was seriously on this site?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
...
(and while i find this funny, because we joke about things like this a lot, i still shake my head at the thought that he actually did that)
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
you're really known as suburban pussy?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
around a golf league, yes.
but he wasn’t the originator of the term.
and now, i’m known by that on here. /facepalm
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
there, there, suburban pussy.
it’ll be okay.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i'm SO calling you that now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
everybody go ahead and join the bandwagon.
i really DGAF. besides, f’n fang won’t work anymore… because you’ll always say something like ‘what was that, suburban pussy?’
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
you get suburban pussy.
i get “LOLZ HAHA LOL WEIRDO FANG CANT GET LAID HAHAHAA LOLZ”
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
whatever Kirkwood pussy
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 8, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Kirksville?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Both?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I think it would be neither.
Right? I don’t think pussy is part of the equation with Fang.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Feb 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
KIRKSVILLE
FUCK KIRKWOOD
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Wait...
you’re from WG, but you worked at the hair saloon in Kirkwood and not WG? What up with that?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i had a friend who worked there.
he essentially got me the job. and it was beneficial for me not to work in webster. don’t know how to explain it, but it just was. i kind of miss working in kirkwood, to be honest. nice little town. my little brother works there now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nah.
You’d done plenty of that on your own.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
true... but the old man didn't help.
zoomzoom 2010 was f’n zoomzoom, now zoomzoom 2011 will be ‘suburban pussy’.
EH #2
SIGN ALBERT!!!
you've just got to make it your own
and at least you’re not like fang, so you’ve got that goin’ for ya
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
I mean
we could probably incorporate “pussy” into a new fang nickname
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
as long as it starts with "never gets any"
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by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
like "Pussyfang"?
sounds painful.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
gibby45
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
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Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
chitowned
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm sure it will die down once the season starts.
eh… probably not.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
If it wasn't for the $
AP would be signed by now
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
I think (hope)
That if the FO consents to giving him the highest AAV and team AP consents to 7 or 8 years, a deal will get done. Could the AP really say no to 7/210? Wouldn’t that be counter to everything we’ve been led to believe about the humility of the mang?
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
THIS IS SOME GODDAMN HARD HITTING ANALYSIS FOLKS
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
IF IT WASN'T FOR THE LACK OF FOOD, ETHIOPIANS WOULDN'T BE STARVING
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
Man now I miss Ethiopian food
DAMN YOU RURAL MISSOURI
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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Well, that's no excuse...
Just add water and off you go. The little blobs of meat are the hard part, I guess.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
Could have had some today.
But nooooooo, lets go to whitebread ass J Bucks!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Hey, he chose the location
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Two AP questions.....
First, the big contract that everybody is against giving Pujols (10/300, or something close), would anybody be for it if Pujols was 3-4 years younger? The biggest think I don’t like about it is that I feel Albert will be a shell of the player he is now in 7-8 years.
Secondly…..if we lose AP this after this year, can we still make the playoffs the following year, even without him, with some average FA signings? And by average, I don’t mean average players, I mean signings that are reasonable. Not something like AP going to Boston, and us nabbing Gonzalez some now. That isn’t reasonable.
We play in the NL Central,
so I would say that we could make the playoffs without Pujols. We would have an outfield of Holliday, Rasmus, and Jay/Craig. We would also still have Wainwright, Garcia, and Carpenter in the rotation. In the infield, we would have Freese, somebody, somebody, and Berkman at first base. Yadi would still be catching. That’s a club good enough to be competitive. I haven’t looked at the free agent market to see what players are available, but I think we could be competitive if Rasmus buds into a superstar and Berkman continues to hit well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 8, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
The trouble with that logic is....
We haven’t been able to make the playoffs with Pujols for most of the recent years.
Why so many people think this team will be better without Pujols is beyond me. Like they are going to use the money they saved wisely, and not on scrappy infielders and mediocre starting pitchers…
I don't think that we'll be better in 2012 without Pujols.
The question from Stanley1 was “can we still make the playoffs the following year, even without him, with some average FA signings?”
I think that we can make the playoffs in 2012 without Albert Pujols, but it will be more difficult than if we had him because we will not be as good.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Feb 8, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
uh, check out gas house graphs' post on the reds
there’s a ton of young WAR over there. and we don’t make it THIS year without AP.
Somebody bake Albert a pie! Stat!
For the second question
I wrote an article about it on Gashouse Graphs
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Stanley 1...
If AP was 27 or 28 I would not have a huge problem with 10/300. I think everyone’s hang-up now is what happens when AP is 38-41. I will take decline at 37-38 for 5 years of great Pujols. Part 2 is why I believe if he seriously wants the 10/300 you let him walk. That is a contract that cannot be defended, in any way, for a player that is 31. Berkman can be the stop-gap at first. With our rotation and a couple savvy FA signings we’re still in the hunt without him. Then you have the likely scenario of Prince Fielder becoming a FA . Along with any other hoopla involving the crazy, however unlikely, scenario’s of the BoSox or Yanks going after Albert and looking to trade Gonzo or Tex.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Correction...
The BoSox would probably not extend Gonzo at all if Albert doesn’t get an extension. Which would make him a FA. Not trade bait.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
yeah, I think we can count on 3 or 4 more great or very good years from APu
10 is just crazy, but hell, I’d still do it
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Anyone know when single game tickets go on sale?
All that you can get on the website now are season tix and promo packages.
Gritty Bloop Single
Gritty Bloop Single
Gritty Hustle
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Feb 8, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions
Your username is awesome
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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My gmail records indicate
last year it was on March 2nd. So we should be getting e-mail about it shortly.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
OH MY GOD IT'S OFFICIAL WE HAVE JUST
8 DAYS TO SIGN HIM WHAT DO WE DO http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/02/february-16th-deadline-for-pujols-extension.html
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I probably wouldn't be procrastinating anymore.
this isn't getting done.
he’s going to be a free agent. better start learning to deal with it.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 8, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I thought about trying to track it down actually
But who knows if it’s out there.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
MORE THAN A MONTAGE
Try the greatest movie ever made!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
heh
Actors: Jr. August A. Busch, Dal Maxvill, Whitney Herzog, and the entire 1985 Cardinals roster
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
its sitting on top of my vcr as we type
Like Cesar Cedano… always ready to go in, just in case.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
worst means best, right?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
In 1985 "bad" meant "good" right?
So I think you have a point.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Relevant
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Oh god it didn't work right
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I just tried to switch from "narrow" to "wide"
But I was already on “wide”. Phooey.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
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I can't wait to mess with my kid's head like that.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Which reminds me of Steve Martin's schtick from his first album
about teaching children to talk wrong…so, it’s the first day of school, and your kid has to go to the bathroom, and he raises his hand and asks, “Can I mumbo dogface to the banana patch?”
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This only was ever going to get done, if it does get done, in the last week
There is no incentive for either side to move toward the other up until the very last minute. I would not be at all surprised to continue to hear things are “going nowhere” up until a few hours before a deal is finalized and/or signed.
good point
they didn’t really have any incentive to get the deal done early
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
HFS
imagine a contract year Albert Pujols. He’ll break so many records they’ll just declare that he broke baseball. Clever, Mo. Very clever.
We'll all be dead by then anyway.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
One of the better Cardinal/Pujols articles I've read
Tim Brown Yahoo Sports. Cardinals and Pujols aren’t making progress
In calculations using metrics of player comparison, estimated production and age curves, hardballtimes.com valued Pujols as high as $275 million over 10 years (almost exactly A-Rod money), fangraphs.com put his value at $267 million over 10 years, and sabernomics.com – factoring in the normal increases in player salaries and league revenues – came in at $350 million over eight years.
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
10 years..
Is insanity!!! I don’t need a graph or article to tell me what his value is. All that matters is 10/300 is dumb… For anyone. Including AP. If he wants his 10/300 he can get it somewhere else. Cuz when he hits 37-38 it’s all downhill. Probably before. Then we won’t be perennial contenders anymore. Not for those years. Not hamstrung with a 40 year old making 30 mil a season. I have no problem with making him the paid player in terms of AAV. Just not for 10 years. 7 years is a huge risk. Given that it’s Albert, I’m selfish and OK with it.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
I'm not so sure I buy the argument that $30 million a year, in 7-10 years, is going to hamper the team
Assuming either the economy picks up and/or inflation increases even a moderate amount $30 million, relative to a MLB team’s total budget, probably isn’t going to seem like the overwhelmingly huge amount it seems like today.
You're misunderstaning me...
As I’ve said before I have no problem with 7 years. Just not 10. If we we’re in the AL I could maybe stomach it a little better. When Albert hit’s ages 38-41 that contract scares the shit out of me. He’s going to start declining by 34, maybe minor but it’s going to happen. Then it’s going to speed up. I know he’s The Machine, but he’s human like everyone else. Jim Edmonds is 40. If he makes the team he’s making 1 mil.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
I think I understand
I guess I’m just more willing than most to overpay on the back end for the priviledge of watching Albert in years 1-7 of the contract.
I get it your opinion
I dunno. I’m one of those Cardinal fans that appreciates being in contention for division every year basically. I just don’t see how that’s going to happen when we won’t be able to afford other stars because someone that is one of the game’s all time greats, but no longer a star, is pushing or over 40 making 30 mil. What if someone who has surpassed Pujols in terms of ability and he wants to be the highest paid player on the team he plays for? We’re not the Yanks or Sox.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
I just think we assume too much about the economics of baseball 10 years down the road
I’m just saying $30 million in ten years might feel like 20-22 million feels like today. Still a large amount of money, but not the mind-blowing, financially crushing boulder that it feels like today.
Remember how scary Holliday's contract was just a year ago.
and now, it’s meh.
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
I don't think it will
If you adjust for inflation. In 2016, assuming 8% annual inflation, we’re only paying for like 2.3 WAR
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I'm not sure...
Maybe that was a high estimate.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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More just random
I have to think that the state of the economy will catch up with baseball salaries sometime though.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
That amount of money ain't werth what it was before
Hey oh!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Cardinals payroll...
Has increased by approximately 30 mil over the last 10 years. We’ll be generous and say it does the same thing over the next 10. that gives us approximately 124 million to work with. So 1/4 roughly would be going to a 40 year old. I could live with that if Albert was going to be the same player 10 yrs from now. But he won’t be. I’m honestly doubt he would even be worthy of starting by that point. The average contract is going to go up as well. It’s like cost of living. Yeah the 30 mil might not seem as much as it does now but everyone else is going to making more as well.1/4 of a mid-market team’s payroll is too much to not be getting Albert WAR for and still hoping to form a contending team.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
The assumption may be flawed
Withouth a new stadium or all-star game to prop revenue I don’t you can assume the same rate of increase in payroll for the next ten years as the last ten years.
by 51 on Feb 8, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying it's not flawed...
I was just basing it off that to base it off something. And I said it was generous.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Fair enough
That is the only evidence we have to go on so it certainly is a starting point. It seems likely to me that the baseball economy is totally unpredictable over the next 10 years. It probably has as much to do with what happens in China and the global economy as it does with a more obvious factor like ball park attendance.
by 51 on Feb 8, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
1/4 may be too high for you
But I don’t see why that number means anything in itself. I personally would be fine with overpaying by 10 million a year over the last 3 years of his contract if he played his entire career in St. Louis. I wouldn’t mind sitting through a few bad years.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Feb 8, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's probably the only player you'll ever say that about, eh?
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Probably
Colby maybe in 5 years, depending on how Edmondsy he becomes.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
he's gonna be so Emondsy
you’re gonna look out at CF sometimes this year and think it actually is Jim Edmonds out there
by mattyp on Feb 8, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm going to go on a limb and say that colby will never be edmondsy
he might be as good as a player, but his personality will never live up to the expectation.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
You just aren't lucky enough to have an Albert Pujols type player on your team very often.
The only player in the game I can think of that is comparable is Alex Rodriguez. Top shelf all-time kind of talent. I totally wouldn’t mind going through a few bad years if that’s what it takes.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Longo?
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
I don't think either of those guys are quite there yet where I'd consider them comparable
Can you make a sure bet that either will go down as an inner-circle hall of famer? I’d say it’s possible, but you can already say that for both A-Rod and Pujols.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
mauer
halladay
maybe chipper jones? i think he’s inner circle and still not as good as pujols
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 8, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
(Disclaimer I am cheating by simply referring to Fangraphs WAR and pretending that is insightful analysis)
Pujols has averaged something like 8 WAR per season, A-Rod something like 7. I think the young guys have the potential to get to that level but they better stop fartin’ around with those pedestrian 4-6 WAR years.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
And Chipper Jones is always a little better than I remember him being
It’s weird, I seem to always forget just how awesome his career is by a small amount.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
no, no, no
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
by prophetjohn on Feb 8, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
by prophetjohn on Feb 8, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
by prophetjohn on Feb 8, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he'll take a 1 year/ 4 Million dollar offer.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
My preference would be to overpay a lot for 6 years
Oh, my friend, it's not what they take away from you that counts. It's what you do with what you have left. ~Hubert Humphrey
I have the same preference.
I would even accept 7 years.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I'd be tickled with a 7/210
It’s anything getting into paying that him when he’s 39 that makes me balk.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The Cardinals are probably his only shot at a longer contract.
Why would the Yankees pay him past age 39? Or the Red Sox?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
BECAUSETHEYREEVIL
or some other hyperbolic response.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Because (assuming 10 years is his demand),
then that’s what he costs. Some teams can afford to overpay.
What is he gonna do if no one gives him that? Not play?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I don't think they will.
Not with his elbow and nagging injuries.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Yeah, I could totally see him not getting that from anyone
There are only so many front offices in baseball, and you probably eliminate a lot of them from the possibility of signing him. Then, you must consider how many players have ever had a contract like that. Not many. Then, consider that the FO’s might say to themselves “I don’t think it turned out very well when someone did agree to a contract like that.” It’s not a sure thing that any team would sign him to a contract like that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
But if anyone is going to cause a tightfisted owner to open up...
it’s Pujols.
He is precisely the type of player a owner may try to go all in around in an effort to boost a team from second/third tier in revenue/performance to first/second tier.
If you ran the Marlins, what better way would there be to signal to your community that times have changed, than to sign Pujols to a long term contract with a NTC.
True
I am not as sure as spants is that he won’t get that Omega-contract, but I am not convinced he would get it from anyone either. I just think it’s possible that, if he becomes a free agent, he still doesn’t get the 10 year, eleventy trillion dollar deal.
But the Marlins are good example. I would think the Nationals might do it. There is so much money in the D.C. area.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
The Nationals would be in for sure.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I don't know.....
I went on job interview for the Nationals for a grounds crew job, and they wouldn’t pay one penny more than $9 an hour – screw that! Cheap bastards.
That's because they just gave all their money to Jayson Werth!
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
$9 an hour sounds fucking fantastic to me
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Well, $9 an hour doesn't go quite as far in suburban DC
than it does in Springfield. Believe me, I used to live there.
why? after trading cabrera and having two cheap 1b options in
Sanchez and Morrison, I don’t see it.
now the nationals/blue jays/ rangers/ mariners might be a team i see that could do that.
Evil, yes...
stupid, no. I can’t see them going ballistic and playing people out of position. Trading Tex or DHing one of them all in effort to give out a contract worse than A-Rod’s. It just doesn’t make sense. I def see the BoSox holding onto that Gonzo extension until the AP extension saga plays out. In which case Gonzo wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Because they're mean East Coast types who hate us honest, hardworking midwesterners?
And they wanna stick it to us! I heard it was all Keith Law’s idea.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
because they have more money
so paying him beyond that is easier. And they have the DH, which means that even without the money factor it’s easy for them to deal with his declining defense.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I'm not saying they couldn't sign him.
I’m saying that he won’t get a 10 year deal as a FA.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
$30 mil @ age 40...
Why can’t it be more like $33 mil a year for the first 7 and the $27 mil, $23 mil & $20 mil in years 8-10.
by chicagocardfan on Feb 8, 2011 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think it would be more like this
the FO can be stupid, but even they wouldn’t be stupid enough to pay 30M for the age 39 and 40 seasons
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
No, no, no
For any given total value of the contract, the club wants to postpone as much of the payment as possible. The longer that cash sits in the club’s bank account, the more interest it earns, and the later the cash payout comes the less it is worth. From the club’s point of view, the ideal payout is 100% of the contract after it’s over.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Ok understood,
How about 28, 30, 30, 32, 32, 34, 25, 20, 20, 20 and the rest deferred over 10-15 years?
by chicagocardfan on Feb 8, 2011 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Spreadsheet and see what it looks like at
say 5% annual inflation.
LIke I said a couple days ago, I’d offer $10M/yr for 60 years.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
The Mang
Deserves to be paid like the best player in the game over the next 5-6 years and I hope its by St Louis.
by chicagocardfan on Feb 8, 2011 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also, inflation
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OR HYPER INFLATION
BE SCARED EVERYONE
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Diner to RedSox
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Is it just me....
Or did it seem like every time Reyes was in with the game on the line, or an important stage of the game, he blew it. Walked somebody, which led to runs. Or gave up some RBI to lefties. Those numbers just seem too good for last season, given the way I remember him pitching.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Speaking of Reyes-es
Whatever happened to Anthony? Last I heard, he was tossed into the endless abyss that is Cleveland. I see that his hat style is still fashionable amongst the young ne’er do wells in suburban DC.
i thought he was out all last year with TJ
should be back this year.
This is from memory so I could be 100% wrong.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
wth
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-pujolsextensionstalled020811
i’ve read two sentences so far and neither of them make any grammatical sense
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
omfg, next sentence
the question hangs like a curveball thrown the first day of spring.
what kind of analogy is that?! you realize that hanging curveballs are bad, right?
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
FWIW, I really, really like the first sentence.
From [geographic location] to [geographic location], from [geographic location] to [part of a human body]…
Awesome writing there, champ.
Here we go
where the Cardinals routinely finished in the NL’s top three in attendance and all but once in the past decade drew fewer than three million fans.
So, um… what?
Nevertheless, quality of proofreading > quality of analysis >> quality of reporting
At a recent baseball clinic in Independence, Mo., a fan gave Pujols a hockey puck. On it, the fan had written: "To Albert, Please Stay in St. Louis."
wasn’t this a very significant blues hockey player, not just some fan?
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
I think it was like some minor league/independent league hockey player
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Well, they're probably rusty which is why they'd be hanging.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
what it means
what kind of analogy is that?! you realize that hanging curveballs are bad, right?
Is that the question is hanging there. Because the first curveballs in spring tend to just hang there instead of break.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I hear the same thing about the Penny pitch f/x.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Do you feel good about yourself when you wake up the morning and stare at the mirror?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
Does anyone really stare at the mirror?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
while we're masterbating?
No. Why?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ya know, if it's "we"
it’s more sex and less masturbating
so can someone with multiple personalities masturbate?
It's the royal we.
But to answer your second question, yes. Yes we can.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
If you have multiple personalities and masturbate
would that qualify as a circle jerk? And if you switch hands, is that group participation?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 8, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
This would be a funny, random tweet.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
If only VEP had a twitter account...
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I do, but it's more of a glance than a stare.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I read the link address as:
“pujols sex tension stalled”
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 8, 2011 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Insert performance enhancing substance joke here.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i'm in a place where i almost don't want albert back
to get a ticket where you can see a players face will cost 35$. if i want 2 beers? tack on another 20$ so albert gets his 8/240 and payroll has to go up to 120m per? it’s us fans who are going to pay for it, not ownership. open dewallet indeed. i’m not looking forward to the day where going to a baseball game will leave my wallet 80$ emptier.
sally jenkins of the washington post had a nice article today about the super bowl. i can see a scenario where baseball in st. louis becomes increasingly removed from the casual fan.
i guess it comes down to a value judgement for me. i’d rather have a 2 WAR 1st bagger, pay 20$ for decent seats and 5$ for a beer than Albert F. Pujols.
Oh noes!
We suck again
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 8, 2011 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You were probably one of those people that didn't...
put your hand on your heart when they sang America the Beautiful, the Star Spangled Banner, recited the declaration of independence, buzzed the stadium with air force jets, played videos of the troops, and passed out stars and stripes coloring books. Of course if the NFL really loved America they would have the coaches wear flag lapel pins…
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
unbelievable
another reason I hate watching major sporting events. i can be patriotic without having it forcefed.
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
I was already buzzing from a couple beers when they started doing the D of I
It took me a minute or two to realize that our alien overlords had not yet arrived, and that they weren’t trying to inspire us to take up arms.
debatable.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Watch and weep...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSugcrsjXRc
I don’t understand why Wal-Mart hasn’t inscribed it on the side of their superstores. Don’t they love America?
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
it's true
as an american, few things embarrass me like the NFL
though, another thing that embarrasses me are other americans, whom REALLY enjoy the NFL
perhaps this is touching on politics and inappropriate for VEB
This is why even as someone who considers pro football his second favorite sport,
I am actually hoping for a significant NFL work stoppage.
The NFL’s ego needs to be taken down many, many pegs.
what does this even mean
Tony La Russa
Experts predict. Fans have strong opinions. The mystery that’s always fascinating, no one knows. Winner 2 b decided. Get ready, go play.
TLR = WCBW
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
There's a lot of that going around these days.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yep, a lot of crazy going around
next it’s the zombies
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think...
it’s pretty self explanatory. Just being whimsical about the upcoming season. Everybody has an opinion but no one knows whose gonna come out on top. Go play boys!
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Tony should start posting in haikus ALL THE TIME
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cold gusts of winter
Memories of new Dodger
The wind blows with grit
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Hmmm....
Is “Miles” one syllable or two?
“Aaron” would definitely work and would be less ambiguous. Also, TLR would be on a first name basis with the guy, wouldn’t he?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
had not thought about that
it could be interpreted either way I think. sub “Aaron” if you are in the Miles is 1 syllable crew
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
But that could mean
Hank Aaron.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Throw the sinker ball
Give professional at bats
And play a hard nine
by Merry CRasmus on Feb 8, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What exactly
is WCBW? World Class Bottle Wielder? Makes sense, since he got a DUI.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
A or B?
I’d rather have AP for 6 or 7. But, if that won’t get it done, would you rather:
Door A) Have Pujols for the next 10 years at 30/per. In this option we compete for the division 5 years of the next 6 seasons. We’ll get in the playoffs some of these years, and you never know what happens at that point. See 2004 and 2006. After that the team declines a bit as payroll is 25% into a player who is no longer worth remotely that money. It gets worse each year for 4 years before he’s gone. You also get to see Pujols move from legend to LEGEND. From best player of generation to historical sports icon. You see him hit # 756. You see him hit # 3500. But there are some rough years for him and the team at the end.
Door B) He leaves after next year. We do a good, but not spectacular job with that money over the next decade. We compete for the division for, say, 8 of the next 10 years.
If 7/210 doesn't get it done...
Let him walk. Or walk til he realizes no one is gonna give him 10/300. Door B. There will be other FA first basemen available soon to replace him with. Prince. Gonzo maybe if the Sox get involved. You can bet the FO will spend most of that extra money cuz they know that most of the fan base is gonna be pissed. 3 mil attendance per season 9/10 years. They are not going to sit on their hands and watch the fan base evaporate. They are not dumb.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
i think i'd actually rather pay Albert 30M for his age 40 season
than pay Prince 25M+ for his age 33-35 seasons
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
LETS GO CRAZY
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I wouldn't...
You’re talking about the worst decline years. A 40 yr old in baseball is a far cry from a 33 yr old. I don’t think that makes any sense.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Yeah, but Prince Fielder weighs like 300 pounds.
And I don’t see him getting smaller anytime soon.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
It doesn't even have to be Prince....
Just an example I thought of off the top of my head without having to bring up a list of potential free agents. My point was that the FO will spend money in an attempt to appease the fan base and keep them from leaving their money in the bank. It’s business. You think their gonna let the fans walk? Money will be spent. That’s why I’m not in any sort of agreement with anything close to 10/300 for AP
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
my point was just about Prince
and spants pretty much summed up what i was worried about
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
i don't really agree
cards ownership seems to consistently take the fanbase for granted. i don’t see why they wouldn’t here
I don't think...
They are naive enough to think that not signing Albert won’t affect revenue. They have to be smarter than that. Fans are going to demand that money be spent to keep the team contending. That’s really the only way they hold onto 3mil plus fans per year. You think they are gonna forget that? Ya we have some off years but who doesn’t?
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Sorry, I just don't buy the B scenario as realistic
I don’t really accept the notion that we’re going to be just as, if not more, competitive without Albert. It might be different if we had top level offensive talent in the farm system, but we don’t have much coming up the pipeline.
And I don’t think that the team would necessarily use the all or most of the money saved by not signing Albert on payroll.
I agree with you
BUT THESE ARE THE ONLY DOORS.
I think they’re both best-case scenarios.
I’d choose A, btw.
Looking at stats on SBN St Louis
2,207 visits what channel is the superbowl on
1,526 visits superbowl channel
1,021 visits SUPERBOWL time
people are retarded.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Why would those lead to SBNSTL?
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Keywords, my man.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
DanUp with the SEO
Niiiiiiccccceeeeeee
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The wife is working overnight tonight, so I'm depending on VEB for most of my entertainment at the moment. Let's get this started off right!
VEB, the Haiku:
Boog would have got that
What is this, I don’t even
SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Feb 8, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How does sex work with, you know
the surgery and everything?
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My mom just had a historectomy
Jerk
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She removed her history?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
by spants on Feb 8, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
...
Yes?
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I keep telling you guys, the surgery was a rumor
That I may or may not have helped propagate.
All I’m gonna say is that, at the beginning, I kept wearing the garter wrong (the rose goes in the front, just FYI) but once I figured it all out it really helped me breath through my eyelids.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yup
She’s about two years and two months old now. Any time she sees a Cardinals logo now she says “it’s baseball!” so my daughter literally equates baseball with the St. Louis Cardinals.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You're my doppelganger, right?
I’m still trying to remember names/avatars here.
My daughter is 18 months old. I’m going to have to teach her “it’s baseball!”
Yeah, I think I was the one who made the doppelganger remark
Stay at home dad, doctor wife (or in med school, right?) etc.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Who's my doppelganger on here?!
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I love me some Tony Curtis and all
But for some reason my favorite film of his has always been Some Like It Hot.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Feb 8, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"she"
right…
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Spants is all pregos and shit.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I think the polite term is "preggers"
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I've been waiting a month to use it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I hope not.
I made all those guys use condoms.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
There really is a Simpsons quote/clip/picture for any occasion in life.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You
d-dee
IHB
spfdbird
…?
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Bobo, kind of
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The way she's goes about you'd think she's multiple woman
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Feb 9, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me!
Anyway, it’s only sometimes.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
clemsongirl, RIP
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
His candle burned out long before his legend ever will.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
offseason, sure.
There’s more during the regular season.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i mean there cardgirl95(probably wrong)
and rasmusgirl, but i don’t think they post that often in the regular season.
peach, andik, TNTCO, I'm sure I'm missing a few more.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
sirensofsilence stops by once every Blue Moon
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There are a couple more that nobody every remembers are women/girls
which is why I can’t remember them now.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Peach! That's right.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Opedia Ma's or something like that?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 8, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There should be
a post per day ratio for a reg, six month minimum
and a UID limit for an official OG status.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
During the season a bunch of the posters listed qualify.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I don't really post regularly
… and people keep assuming I’m a guy, despite the name, i think
Somebody bake Albert a pie! Stat!
You're a guy?!
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Uh
You’re not a guy?!
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Did you just ask yourself?
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
thats not the only thing he did with himself.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 8, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At least your very presence doesn't make VEBers question their sexuality
cause i’m hot like that
I miss gdm
Your name just reminds me of Kevin Maas.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
My list (I think these are all women, altho where spants is concerned, who knows for sure?)
spants
ClemsonGirl
cardsgirl95
d-dee
peachconcrete
IHeartBoog
andi_k
RosevilleRedbird
RasmusGirl
Oedipa Maas
sirensofsilence
spfldbird
Many of these haven’t posted in awhile…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
do you keep this list on your wall
with those newspaper clippings
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm a compulsive listmaker
and my memory isn’t what it used to be, so I use them to try not to offend too many people at one time…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
if you've ever seen it
i thought of the Stan music video.
and no, it has nothing to do with Musial.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Is there a link?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 9, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yes. I'm a man pretending to be a 30 year old woman who is married and pregnant.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
by spants on Feb 8, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My preggo suit hasn't come in the mail yet.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Its the internet
you could be a supermodel or an astronaut or an extra in a Micheal Bay movie. evidently there is a lack imagination
I miss gdm
tntinco or something like that. also Chitown Cardsfan
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen tntinco once or twice here
but not the other one…sounds like a relative of yours?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
old school veb'er that doesn't post on here anymore
or hasn’t for a long time
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
holy crap
you guys should hook up
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
Don't think he didn't have the same idea!
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
the glossary may be out-dated
but it’s only missing about five active memes*. and the Seattle one is next to ineffable, so that’s like four.
*guesstimation
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Kiddo on the way
He or she should be born just in time for the playoffs and the Cardinals winning the world series in dramatic fashion.
by WizardofOz1982 on Feb 9, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Congrats!
Is this your first? We’re at T minus 6 weeks and counting.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Not our first pregnancy
We lost a little girl in September of 09 at 18 weeks.
by WizardofOz1982 on Feb 9, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
The end of the world is a year early.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Maybe it's just the End of History
It wasn’t the final steps in the downfall of Communism, it was the final step in the downfall of television.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
The fall of the history channel was ice road truckers.
THATS NOT HISTORY! ITS DRIVING A TRUCK ON ICE.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I admit it can be interesting
but then someone’s fuel line freezes for the 13th time and it’s like “ICE TO SEE YOU! What else is on?”
THEN ITS HISTORY
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Discovery Channel
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Is it a discovery anymore
that the seas get crappy during an Alaskan winter?
that Sig gets pissed at his crew and makes them work 60 hours straight?
that the greenhorn is a whiny moron?
Is it March 31st yet?
You're right, that one should be on H
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
But that's not on the History channel.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Pawn Stars ain't history but damned if I care
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it's because of people like you
that i can’t watch a documentary on the history channel
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
Next week on Top Shot
Shooters shoot a .38 at targets while the competition shoots paintballs at them.
Is it March 31st yet?
Meh. I'm an Economics major
I care about this arbitrage thing
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I'm ok with some of their shows,
but ffs they can put them on one of the other 15 networks they own.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yes
they need a History Channel and an Actual History Channel.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
what happens when the actual history channel starts filling up with alien/big foot/area 51 crap
what happens then?
it goes the way o music television
how many non-music mtv channels are there now?
…going to re-watch good night and good luck
Somebody bake Albert a pie! Stat!
That's Military Channel.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
is that where all those shows went?
like that weapons show with that boot camp guy?
/nonspecific
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
History International.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Considering the total wreck they've turned A&E into
The History Channel still somehow seems decent enough.
OMG, yes
that used to be one of my favorite channels. It’s been like 5 years since I’ve been able to watch anything worthwhile on that gobshite of a station.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Braintwin!
See below.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Shit
or above, as the case may be.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, it's below.
SBN’d
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
The History Channel is a joke now
it used to be good, but now it has reality shows, ffs! C’mon, America, show some class! Oops, forgot, there are no civilized people in America, etc., etc., etc.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 8, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I watched it.
Must be a redneck but I didn’t think it was all that bad. It’s better than The Bachelor or Survivor at least.
by WizardofOz1982 on Feb 9, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
That was my take on it too. I was expecting an hour of fart jokes crammed into 30 minutes. Instead it was 15 minutes of fart jokes and 15 minutes of moonshine and NASCAR. It wasn’t all that bad.
by WizardofOz1982 on Feb 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
You missed the second 30 minutes
20 minutes of etiquette and fart jokes with Emily Post’s descendants and 10 minutes of frog jumping in Calaveras County.
Is it March 31st yet?
Yes, but that was very educational.
I’ve always wanted to make moonshine.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Feb 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Oh god so nostalgic
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by mysterui on Feb 8, 2011 9:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
FORCE FIELD REFLECTION

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No, NOW we're done

If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I probably wouldn't be procrastinating anymore.
by hr on Feb 8, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that is disturbing.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Hey everybody!
Thanks for ruining my childhood!
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well, welcome to the Internet
If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I probably wouldn't be procrastinating anymore.
by hr on Feb 8, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I believe the logical end point is the following:

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Mr. Bun looks comatose
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While we're at it
Another great one:

If I had a nickel for every time I procrastinate, I probably wouldn't be procrastinating anymore.
by hr on Feb 8, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Goddammit Cody
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I wonder when DanUp gets the DMCA?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Was it here that I first heard the theory that Fight Club was Calvin in his later years?
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
GODDAMMIT I HATE ALL OF YOU
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HIS NAME WAS ROBERT PAULSON
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I had this in my sig
at work one spring when I was working downtown (only for interdepartmental emails). As cool as it is when baseball starts, it is hell when you have to stay indoors and work when you are 2 block from the stadium.
SIGN ALBERT NOW!!
making beef stew in the crock pot
sauteed the beef in olive oil and some worcestshire and sea salt (not very much) with some garlic cloves. then boiled some beef broth, a small can of cream of mushroom soup, some red wine, parsley, thyme, and bay leaves. I then transferred to crock pot and added a cup of Magic Hat “Howl” Winter Seasonal beer and put on high. I then peeled a bunch of potatoes, carrots, and an onion… which I all sauteed in butter and added some fresh rosemary (still had the beef grease from cooking the meat). that took almost an hour, while the rest of it was cooking. added the vegetables… can’t wait to eat this stuff.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 8, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions
Another rendition of God Tier/Shit Tier
TGIF Edition
God Tier
Boy Meets World
Sabrina the Teenage Witch
Good Tier
Family Matters
Full House
Bad Tier
Step By Step
Shit Tier
Hangin’ With Mr. Cooper
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Wasn't a fan of any of them. Dinosaurs wasn't bad.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Feb 8, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
You shut your mouth
Boy Meets World was and is television perfection
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how can you say that about the second best show from that time period starring a member of the savage family about growing up
i think he's referring to Topanga
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And did the Topanga girl go on to become a respected mathematician?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
dude, no. that was Winnie.
Topanga went on to be hot and funny.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh, I read it in the completely wrong tone
fail to me.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Danica McKellar has an Erdős–Bacon number of 6
which is one of the lowest on the planet.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 9, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
she is hilarious, though. much better than Talk Soup.
yes, I’ll say it — better than Kinnear.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Heh, OK I forgot about that one. Uncle.
It was a good show, but I didn’t watch it much.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Feb 8, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you like so many weird things?
Anyway, Sabrina is great. I was on a bender over the summer for a brief 2 week period.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Feb 9, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
the ending is the best
“!*Prices and tasks are subject to negotiation. I will not murder or steal or perform a legendary murdersteal. No rapes, and the sex has to be unrelated to the payment, like “Oh, after you’re done cutting those trees down, do you want some lemonade?” but the lemonade means sex, mostly. "
sources say
http://twitter.com/MattSebek/status/35152215005990913
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He must have the same sources as matty.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but halak's been good of late!
and he was so strong during the playoffs last year!
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 8, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
so if you don't have enough goat in your diet
Frankie is going tweet-crazy tonight. there’s some gold in there.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I am laughing despite myself.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I can't even sample all of them, he's tweeting too fast
@JoeStrauss you are my stalker , stay away from me JOE, haha about 1 hour ago via web in reply to JoeStrauss
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
bullpen bros
@ChrisPerez54 nice, tell JJ i said what up and sorry bout his #15, damn vets, hahaha about 1 hour ago via web in reply to ChrisPerez54
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
=)
@JoeStrauss leave it up to MR. NEGATIVE. ha, u will get yours at the track JS
by YesWeOquendo on Feb 8, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
and a shot at the grammar police
@JoeStrauss i dont have the lil paws like you writers do, so get off my puncuation. huh. lol about 1 hour ago via web in reply to JoeStrauss
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
come on, VEB, ask him a question before his wife confiscates it!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it's too late, anyway
the tweets stop. must be bedtime for the kiddies.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
good news, everyone
@franky3131 is there going to be a twitter for the bullpen beards as well? about 1 hour ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to franky3131
@Thebankerjoe there will be MUCH GROWTH IN THE PEN, ON THE FACE about 1 hour ago via web in reply to Thebankerjoe
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the goat cometh!!
@franky3131 are you counting the length of the beard? about 1 hour ago via Tweetie for Mac in reply to franky3131
@dmbfan81 the goat is getting there i still have around 6 or 7 weeks 12 minutes ago via web in reply to dmbfan81
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and the secret is out
@franky3131 The beard is like a fountain of youth for your chin. 25 minutes ago via web in reply to franky3131
@tommy62222 shhhhhhhh , thats a secret dude!!!!!!!!!!! about 2 hours ago via web in reply to tommy62222
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
a little apple with Motte
@franky3131 Nah…. Not at all! ;). You are! :D. I saw you when you guys came to Citi Field, and you were throwing baseballs into the Home [Run Apple] about 2 hours ago via Twitterrific
@MKSoftball18 that’s our lil contest me and motte like to do about 2 hours ago via web in reply to MKSoftball18
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in any case, Mr. Franklin is looking for 2,000 followers by Sunday
or else Albert won’t sign
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This ridiculous bullshit kind of makes me want twitter.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
just sign up
if you don’t like it, don’t use it. i don’t see why people actively avoid this kind of stuff
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
some have addict tendencies.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well
they’re gonna end up on heroin anyway. might as well get all the tweeting in while they can
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
true enough
and yet i’m not on twitter
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've actually been inactively avoiding it through an insane amount of procrastination and laziness.
I’ve been meaning to start a twitter for a while.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
I have one
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
by spants on Feb 8, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Goddamnit, don't you buy it hazel
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Feb 9, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
how much?
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Because my addiction is VEB, not my cell phone.
I text as little as possible, and I don’t tweet because I don’t feel the need to update people I don’t know about things that they could care less about.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Feb 9, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
It's the idea that counts
I’m 20 times less cooler thanks to CodyG.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Feb 9, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, what now?
I thought that thing up above was the actual Tony La Russa. I don’t even know how to use Twitter. I am not even entirely sure exactly how the @ and # work
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
There's only one man I can think of who has made a twitter account which led people to believe things about me which were not true
Curse you Fritz!!!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Elmer?
A NL Central fixture for many years and the starting pitcher against Colorado no April 14, 2004:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/COL/COL200404140.shtml
That’s Aaron Miles’ legendary 2HR, 6RBI game.
Sign Rodrigo Lopez!!!
dont forget
former ace of Cin, Col, KC,NYM
So, does anyone remember my tweet
@TonyLaRussa back around new years?
With the crazy tweet today, I went check and see why it didn’t turn up on my feed. Tried to follow the old jerk again. Turns out he blocked me. Apparently he isn’t open to criticism.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
does this mean I get my own room
in the booghouse?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
doesn't that require talent?
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
pissing off TLR isn't a talent?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Well,
many talented people have done it, so I guess we can assume you probably have a talent.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
wth
i thought you were aaronbaron
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
That's albertfn
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
damnit!
my mistake
such a large community
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
well, i'm following you
it looks like you tweet about as often as i do
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
yep, not a big tweeter
I pick my spots.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
YEAH!
Stan’s Medal of Freedom ceremony will air Feb 15
but with apologies to The Man… I think I’ll sit.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Albert will sign DURING the ceremony
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
will never happen.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
what kind of strategy is this that the cards are taking?
what do you stand to gain by not presenting the other side with an offer after over a month of negotiating
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
...
I see you driving
round town with the girl I love
and I’m like, haiku
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 11:35 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Pure genius
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
reddit....3 months ago.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I've actually been sitting on it for a while, then jd went and dropped it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
My bad
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Youtube comment
Stolen shamelessly from the first, and probably last, decent youtube comment ever
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 8, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Pure genius
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
Okay i started the twitter so, sound off.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
...post it here?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Twitter | Gas House Graphs
and he has to demand an arbitrary number of followers, as well.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
In that case, I demand one follower for every dollar that the Cardinals have offered Pujols in his new contract.
hithazel is my name on the twittar.
No offer you say..
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
I don’t tweet much.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
also, make sure to follow :
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Pepsi? As a proud Coke drinker I'm offended
I wonder how long it takes him to think of these. Is there an editing process to trim it down to 140 characters?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That was deliberate.
What kind of weirdo orders a pepsi?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
And from Watching Godfather II Saturday night:
And hopefully you caught this one.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
who are you?
Oh and @TBender15 just joined.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
zz
Tony La Russa
If Dunc likes pitching depth, I like pitching depth.
16 minutes ago
do you really need you pitching coach to tell you that depth is good?
You say you wanna stand by my side. Darlin', your head's not right.
twatter
Tony La Russa
If Dunc thinks it’s not necessary to ferment your own feces in order to organically grow rhubarb, I think it’s unnecessary to ferment your own feces in order to organically grow rhubarb.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Feb 9, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a baseball manager
I was let go by oakland and later I was thawed out by some of your management. your modern statistics frighten and confuse me. sometimes when I get a scouting report on my fax machine I wonder, “did little demons get inside and type it?” I don’t know! my scrappy mind can’t grasp these concepts.
but there is one thing I do know: when a man like my client hits .280 with no walks or doubles he is entitled to $2 million in annual salary."
by DanUpBaby on Feb 9, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Well, if you're under 30, you probably have no idea what the hell we're talking about
Think of the children!
the children can google
and they can also
get off my lawn!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The poor kids probably don't even know who Phil Hartman is.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Speaking as someone (barely) under 30
Anyone in their mid-late twenties knows Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.
by Mulliganstew on Feb 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Franky's at 1800+ followers
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's a tweeting machine.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he needs about 150 more
get on it, collective
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

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