Community Prospect Ranking #7 (Run-off)
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This is the first time our vote has been too close to call, with Lance Lynn earning ten votes to Eduardo Sanchez's nine. So we'll have our first run-off wherein the winner will receive the 6th slot and the loser will be 7th.
For your information and edification, scouting info on both after the jump.
Eduardo Sanchez
From Future Redbirds
Sanchez featured the kind of strikeout rates you want to see from a pitcher who (1) projects as a dominant reliever and (2) has average groundball rates. With 26 innings at Springfield and 27 at Memphis, it’s not unreasonable for him to start the season at AAA again as the team’s closer. He’s had some recent command issues — as Goold notes — both in the VWL and at Memphis. Maintaining his mechanics and keeping the walk rate down will be the primary goals if he does start the year at AAA.
From Scout.com
After rocketing up prospect lists last year, Sanchez followed it up with a solid 2010 campaign. Though slightly undersized, he has a powerful and a fastball that sits in the mid-to-high nineties. He has a smooth delivery that he easily repeats.
Sanchez has struggled to find the feel of his slider. If he can ever find consistency with it, the pitch could be a second plus offering. His walk rate of 4 BB/9 will have to improve but he was just 21 and already serving as a closer in Triple-A.
Sanchez totes upper 90’s heat, a good slider and command to go with it. At least his command is usually ok. He did have a concerning stint in the Venezuelan Winter League where he walked 12 and also yielded 12 earned runs in just 10 2/3 innings, so perhaps more finishing is not a bad idea.
From John Sickels
Not bad at all, looks like he can be a good reliever, gets lots of grounders.
Grade B-: I think he's the best of the large group of future bullpen arms.
Lance Lynn
From Keith Law (prior to 2010 season, but still applies, mostly)
Lynn has a four-pitch mix, all pitches average but nothing plus, led by a solid-average fastball with good tailing sink that generates some ground balls and helps him keep the ball in the park, and two breaking balls to change hitters' eye levels and move the ball around the zone. Lynn's also a strong competitor who pitches very aggressively, and I think he'll go after big league hitters like a veteran when he gets the opportunity.
From John Vuch, Director of Minor League Operations via Future Redbirds
He did touch 96 on several fastballs late in the year, but really worked more consistently in the 92 MPH range (with quite a few 94’s). Since earlier in the year he would sit at 90 MPH with the occasional 92-93, the gain in velocity is significant, at least in terms of where he finished the season. Much of Lynn’s success stems from the deception in his delivery, which allows his fastball to “jump” out of his hand, making his fastball a swing and miss pitch.
More from Azru on Future Redbirds (you can connect the pieces regarding Lynn's fastball)
I’ve been critical of Lynn’s 2010 campaign and, on balance, I stand by that assessment. Lynn’s 2009 FIP at Springfield was 3.47 and rose to 4.43 in 2010 at Memphis. A significant part of that was an increased HR rate (21 in 164 IP). Lynn’s HR rate in 2009 is certainly a partial product of luck based on his batted ball profile.
The other area for concern would be the decrease in groundball percentage from 2009 to 2010. Lynn is at his best when he’s able to pitch to the lower half of the zone with his fastball and mix in his breaking stuff off the plate low and away. The decreased groundball percentage, while small, is problematic for a pitcher who lacks a true out pitch.
The positive notes from 2010 are simple but important. Lynn struck out a higher percentage of batters and walked a lower percentage relative to 2009. Strikeout-to-walk ratio is a key indicator of pitcher performance and this improvement is something Lynn should look to build on.
From John Sickels
Grade C+: Inning-eating fourth starter type.
Happy voting!
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"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" -Isaac Asimov
+1
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 6, 2011 9:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If sanchez is the best reliever in the league,
He’s a 1.5-3.0 WAR player. If Lynn is an average starter he’s 2 WAR. Which of those is more likely?
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Feb 6, 2011 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
which player is more likely to contribute for more that one season?
if Sanchez does develop a plus slider, he could stick around the bullpen for a few +1 WAR seasons. I’m not sure Lynn’s stuff will be good enough to hang in on the rotation for more than a season or two. it’s like saying Boggs is worth more in the long run than Wellemeyer
Somebody bake Albert a pie! Stat!
You simply count the years of team control.
Lynn and Sanchez are about the same age, and they have the same amount of service time coming to them. It’s also true that relievers are routinely overpaid in arbitration, while starters almost never are. 6 years of a 1.5 WAR reliever (which would make him a top 10 reliever) is 9 WAR, and as a top 5 player he will be paid something like 50%/75%/100% of his value during his three arbitration years, so (assuming constant $/WAR for ease of calculation) (9WAR*4M)-(2.25years of salary*1.5WAR*4M)=36M-13.5M=22.5M in value.
Over the last six years, only 9 relievers averaged 1.5 WAR or more. Their average salary over that period was $7.16M which includes six players who spent at least part of that time at league minimum or in arbitration. The likelihood that Sanchez is one of the top 10 relievers in the league seems extremely low.
Lynn is projected to be a #3, 4, or 5 starter, depending on who you ask and whose radar gun you use, which we will just set to 2, 1.5, and 1 WAR per season. for ease I’m going to put his arby values at 25%/50%/75% so I don’t need a calculator. (2WAR*6years*4M)-(1.5seasons paid*2WAR*4M)
(1.5WAR*6years*4M)-(1.5seasons paid*1.5WAR*4M)
(1WAR*6years*4M)-(1.5seasons paid*1WAR*4M)
The average of those projections is this, so
(1.5WAR*6years*4M)-(1.5seasons paid*1.5WAR*4M)=36M-9M=27M of value.
There are 30 fourth starters in the league in any given year, and there were 50 starters who averaged 1.5 WAR or more over the last six seasons. Lynn’s contribution rests on his ability to stick in the majors and his durability.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
+1
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
actually, nix this vote.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
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Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
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"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Feb 6, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
+1
starters > relievers in most cases
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Sweet avatar, btw.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
relievers have higher entertainment value
Jason Motte is a ninja
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
That play was sweet, though that game was terrible, if i recall correctly.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
that play overshadows whatever game it was in my memory
so yeah, it probably wasn’t a very good game
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 7, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
phaze:
I think this is much much more interesting to read. I applaud your effort! enjoyed the multiple angles
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Feb 6, 2011 1:18 PM EST reply actions
i mean, its a lot easier with just two choices
most of these are going to include some information on the most recent pick and related thoughts. also, coming up: we decide how long this list will be
in our own list(from Korea)
Me and other 4 Korean fans published our own prospects list. You can see the detail here(fanshot).
In our list, Sanchez was ranked as high as 3rd(tied with Carlos Martinez!) while Lynn was 7th. I ranked Lynn higher than Sanchez in my individual list, but all other voters ranked Sanchez higher.
Cardinals fan from Korea
It blows my mind that there are five korean cardinals fans.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
I have about 7-8 regular commentors.
There are some lurkers there, so you can safely assume that more than 10 Korean Cardinals fans exist!
Cardinals fan from Korea
I just sort of assumed they would all be Indians fans because the best Korean MLB player plays for Cleveland.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor

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