A Guide to Jim Edmonds's Hall of Fame Candidacy
At my SLM Daily gig, an overly long post about why Jim Edmonds is a Hall of Famer.
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Excellent article, Dan
and sheesh, just how many places do you write for?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
just part of my plan to typecast myself as a st. louis sports blogger while living in colorado
fun fact: the photo my editor grabbed from wikipedia to illustrate this post happens to be a momup original.
it's momup, wow
nothing can stop the ups.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed the read
But to make a hall of fame argument shouldn’t you compare him to a hall of famer? I think that would make a stronger argument.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Feb 23, 2011 4:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
then our standards will keep getting lower and lower
If the HOF standard was Kirby Puckett for instance (who he absolutely blows out of the water), then the “HOF” in my opinion would be really diminished
Believe me if we use the argument that he was better than Player A who did make the HOF then Edmonds should be in, in a heartbeat
He still deserves to be in because he was pretty much the median Hall of Fame CF (Look at this list and now look at Edmonds’ stats – he’s pretty much in the middle) and he beats the 50-60ish WAR (an arbitrary number) that a normal borderline HOF is with 68.1 WAR
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Feb 23, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the 50-60is number was based on HOF stats as well?
I mean, it’s a tad arbitrary, but not completely.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Real sports journalism not on ESPN or STLToday?
Blasphemy!
It’s nice to read an article that backs up statements with facts instead of “Edmonds can’t get in unless Larry Walker and Steve Garvey get in.”
Special thanks to the St. Louis area weatherpeople
who predicted this bit of freezing rain that has turned area traffic into a cluster$!@* this morning.
Wait, you’re saying they didn’t say a word about it?
Two problems with J'Ed's HOF resume
1) He had a short career or at least his counting stats are not that great.
2) He played in the steroid era and so much of his value is derived from homeruns and walks. Those two stats are tough to translate across eras, regardless of what OPS+ tells us.
Five years from now moderate average, high obp sluggers will be a dime a dozen on the HOF ballot- or at least it will seem that way. Despite the gold gloves, he will have a tough time.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
by Zubin on Feb 23, 2011 7:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Some interesting numbers:
These three players are all centerfielders:
Career OPS+
Player A: 135
Player B: 132
Player C: 140
5 Year Peak OPS+
Player A: .290/.382/.604/.986 OPS+ 148
Player B: .298/.410/.593/1.003 OPS+ 156
Player C: .311/.403/.606/1.009 OPS+ 157
Anyone want to guess who these guys are?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This will probably give it away...
Two contemporaries, one from an earlier era.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I know A and B!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Had to look up C.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
absolutely.
But I don’t think he’ll ever get above %50 of the vote, unfortunately.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
And it will be due mostly to the era that he played in.
Had he played for the Expos and Cubs in the 80’s, however, he’d probably get in…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I reckon one is Bernie Williams and one is Junior Griffey.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I couldn't think of another CFer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Figured the first two would be Griffey and Edmonds
Is player C Duke Snider?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
And wow
Snider is a really good comp for Edmonds
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Ah, ah, that's not the same thing!
I’m talking about their career totals. Your post was about combining two different parts of their careers.
In fact, your post is about their dissimilarities, isn’t it? One peaked in his 20’s, the other in his 30’s?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
In terms of where they peaked in relation to their career though
it’s nearly exactly the same, and Duke’s decline was very similar to Edmonds’.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Good point
Anyway, was Snider Player C? Seemed a good guess.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Ah, ah, that's not the same thing!
I’m talking about their career totals. Your post was about combining two different parts of their careers.
In fact, your post is about their dissimilarities, isn’t it? One peaked in his 20’s, the other in his 30’s?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Answers:
Player A: Junior Griffey
Player B: Jim Edmonds
Player C: Duke Snider
Griffey is a shoo-in for the first ballot HOF: 600+ homers, 10 GG, one of the 5 best players in baseball from 1993-1999.
Snider is a HOF centerfielder with a peak and subsequent decline very similar to Edmonds. I think Snider is his best comparison, and Snider is probably the 6th best CF of all time behind Mays, Mantle, Dimaggio, Cobb, and Speaker. He fits right in there somewhere. Here are the guys in the HOF as CF: http://goo.gl/tTAcu What’s incredible about that list is that, compared to other outfield positions, there’s a real lack of centerfielders in the HOF, and Edmonds is probably in the middle of pack if you compare him to those guys.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Answers:
Player A: Junior Griffey
Player B: Jim Edmonds
Player C: Duke Snider
Griffey is a shoo-in for the first ballot HOF: 600+ homers, 10 GG, one of the 5 best players in baseball from 1993-1999.
Snider is a HOF centerfielder with a peak and subsequent decline very similar to Edmonds. I think Snider is his best comparison, and Snider is probably the 6th best CF of all time behind Mays, Mantle, Dimaggio, Cobb, and Speaker. He fits right in there somewhere. Here are the guys in the HOF as CF: http://goo.gl/tTAcu What’s incredible about that list is that, compared to other outfield positions, there’s a real lack of centerfielders in the HOF, and Edmonds is probably in the middle of pack if you compare him to those guys.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I am missing something.
Does this have something to do with my comment? If so, I don’t understand.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
Shit.
dgoold: Wainwright going back to St. Louis to have his ligament examined in the right elbow. Mozeliak believes it’s “significant injury.”
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
like i said on twitter...
it’s season over if he’s out for more than two months. wainwright is one of two players the cardinals just can. not. lose.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 23, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
two months of the regular season, that is.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 23, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
I assume he's one for the year.
But I like to assume the worst and be pleasantly surprised later.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
damn, I'm dropping my g's again.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yeah
A “significant” injury for a pitcher usually means more than just two months
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 23, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Bad, bad, bad words.
I picked the wrong week to give up Meth and Red Bull cocktails.
My sources are bigger than your sources.
Twitter
LOUD NOISES
I am not happy with this news
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Fucking fuck fuck
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 23, 2011 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fucking fuck fuck
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkk!!!!!!!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 23, 2011 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ex-fucking-actly
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 23, 2011 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ooooooh fuuuuu
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Jaime and Carp, pray for rain?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well this is great news first thing in the morning......
and I don’t have any whiskey in my desk.
Fuck.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
surely you have a can of gas sitting around
take a hit off of that
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Feb 23, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna have to hit the hard stuff way early, at this rate
but, yeah, i’ll drink some for ya
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 23, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
mo just dropped TJ on the radio...
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Feb 23, 2011 9:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Please tell me thats a tottally different acronym your using
Oh god, i've become... myself.
I am the anti-fang
TJ stands for Terrible Joke
Right? Please?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
with the little information we have
combined with what I have shared before, I see no other outcome here.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
This.
Significant elbow ligament injury basically only means one thing in my brain.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Tyler Johnson gets no respect.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
being dropped on the radio.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
dropping acid on the radio?
sounds more like spiezio
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Right, i'm going for a shower
if Waino needs surgery by the time i get back… i cannot be held accountable for my actions.
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Oh god, i've become... myself.
I am the anti-fang
I have a feeling there's gonna be another patented VEB "Stages of Grief" thread today...
Unless some good news comes a-JoeySliding to the rescue to bring VEBoog away from the ledge.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Is it too much to ask that there be a seawall involved with Wainwright's injury?
My sources are bigger than your sources.
Twitter
Are we bidding agaisnt the Yankees now?
@Buster_ESPN: Early speculation among rival execs is that cards will go after Kevin millwood
I don't know how aggressive the minor-league contract bidding wars get...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
There's No One else out there...
…except maybe Doug Davis – and I think Millwood would be better – I’m just happier with Louse as our #5 than our #4…
:=8/
Whoya finna try?
well, that didn't take long
less than 1 week into ST
punto and now a and w
major crapola
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
did our season just end?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Chess will pay for this!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
so...
Shelby Miller as the 5th starter, and Jaime as the 20 game winner Cy Young?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
who suggested bringing back Doc?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i meant
throwing a blantantly unready, young, underdeveloped pitcher into the majors
not actually unretiring Gooden
Oh god, i've become... myself.
I am the anti-fang
this isn't a time for jokes!
Oh god, i've become... myself.
I am the anti-fang
by Aranathor on Feb 23, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If we can keep Shelby away from the cocaine, I think we'll be ok.
In his first 10 seasons in the big leagues, Gooden averaged 30 starts a year and 213 innings. Show me where bringing him up early hurt his durability. Doc’s problem was drugs and night life, not being unready or underdeveloped. Unready? Please — he struck out 534 hitters in his first two seasons and posted an ERA of 2.00. I’d say he was ready.
I don’t think we should push Miller into the rotation right now, that’s just throwing good money after bad. But to say that we should keep him down in the minors to develop is silly unless he has mechanical issues that need to be worked out. He can get injured just as easily in the minors throwing pitches as in the majors throwing pitches.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
his first season screams ready
hell, they might have got him to the big leagues too late.
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 23, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
He needs a consistent 3rd pitch
That’s needed development time. Ease up everyone, he dominated low-A.
Not afraid to nitpick
For the record
and because i know this is going to bite me in the ass later like my fervent devotion to Skip Scapemaker
I WAS JOKING. MILLER SHOULD STAY IN THE MINORS
(got that y2s?)
Oh god, i've become... myself.
I am the anti-fang
Didn't see the beginning of the thread
But people talking about Miller in the big leagues…..please stop. He could go out and have a K/9 of 25 in spring training and they would send him down.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm not disagreeing with that
I’m disagreeing the Doc Gooden wasn’t ready to pitch in the majors when he was brought up. Which is a silly argument when you go and look at the numbers.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yes i know that
it wasn’t exactly the best comparison and your right about Gooden. My memory of BRef pages is less than exemplary.
Oh god, i've become... myself.
I am the anti-fang
Agreed.
He needs more time to develop a second off speed pitch and get used to the routine of throwing every fifth day and 6-7 innings a start.
But let’s not compare him to Doc Gooden then either.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah, Miller is a good 20yo pitcher
Gooden was an otherworldly 20yo pitcher. Off the top of my head, I would guess that Doc had a top 5 curve of all time. Of. All. Time.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Feb 23, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
This is just me throwing it out there
But if Gooden gets drafted by, say, the Twins, does he have HOF career? Maybe he gets hooked on pot instead of cocaine, lol.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This news makes me genuinely upset that we did not get Jeff Francis.
Not that he would be capable of replacing Wainwright, but he is probably capable of most mitigating his loss.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
and you were going to put him where?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I would have considered him as the long man,
but I would have known he would have eventually started.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
wat
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Jeff Francis
threw 104.1 innings in 2010. True, he posted a 5.00 ERA, but he also posted a 3.88 FIP and 3.94 xFIP. He is a very good bet to have a better ERA in 2011, especially pitching his home games in the pitcher-friendly confines of Busch Stadium III.
By comparison, Kevin Millwood posted a 5.10 ERA in 2010 with an accompanying FIP of 4.86 and xFIP of 4.66. Without question, Millwood will benefit some from moving from the AL East to the NL Central, but I still think I would rather have had Francis stowed away for a rainy day, or, a day like today when it is a thunderstormy day.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Old Hoss
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That made me laugh. It was a nervous, desperate laugh.
Now I’m already back to terribly worried and sad.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
So...
I have a nice 9 story building down town, if anyone wants to come join me in jumping off.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
This morning just keeps getting worse and worse
First, an indication that AT&T Uverse was going to imminently add MLB Network turned out to be a false.
And now this.
GOD DAMN IT
WHY WON’T THEY JUST ADD IT!?!?! (and, to a lesser extent, Fox Soccer in HD?)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Feb 23, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it does not vest if he ends 2011 on the DL.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if he finishes the season on DL
its entirely possible that the team can pick it up anyway. But i don’t know.
Oh god, i've become... myself.
I am the anti-fang
If he's on the DL at the end of the season,
it is not automatic. It’s still so team friendly, they need to trigger it, though. If they can.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Rotation
Carpenter
Garcia
Westbrook
Lohse
McClellan
Or do we bring in Snell? Shelby Miller? Honestly, without Wainwright I think it would be better to leave Miller in the Minors where he can work on things.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I'd vote Lynn, but it will probably be a guy like Millwood.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Lynn or Augenstein.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
How can it not be Lynn?
(dont answer, I know how) This is the perfect opportunity to see what you have with him so we know what to do next year once Westy is gone. That’s the ONLY silver lining here and it needs to be polished because that shit ain’t too shiny…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
Isn't Westy signed for two years?
But once Carp is gone, I agree, we need to see what our young guys have until Shelby shows up
I need signature suggestions. The Boog and the Walrus have both departed. And it's not funny anymore... sniff
Isn't Westy signed for two years?
But once Carp is gone, I agree, we need to see what our young guys have until Shelby shows up
I need signature suggestions. The Boog and the Walrus have both departed. And it's not funny anymore... sniff
Definitely time to start the yearly talk about KMac's starting potential.
My sources are bigger than your sources.
Twitter
agreed. the one area we have plenty of depth is
Right handed relief….they def need to give Kyle his chance. This really fucking sucks
by mick311 on Feb 23, 2011 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd say....
Carpenter
Westbrook
Garcia
Millwood
Lohse
Or
Carpenter
Westbrook
Garcia
Lohse
Lynn
Whoya finna try?
I would not be surprised to see Spring Training turn into...
one massive Duncan Reclamation Project-palooza
Ian Snell
will be signing a 4 yr $40M contract after this year
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Ian Snell
will be signing a 4 yr $40M contract after this year
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
We all know the rotation will be
Carpenter
Westbrook
Garcia
2008 is that you?
Ditto to the fourth spot, fuck my life
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Feb 23, 2011 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Enter Batista.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
there it is
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Ian Snell
will be signing a 4 yr $40M contract after this year
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Ian Snell
will be signing a 4 yr $40M contract after this year
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
you can say that again
in fact you can say it four times
"And a boring game for boring people. Did you ever watch golf on television? It's like watching flies FUCK. Think of the intellect it must take to draw pleasure from this activity: hitting a ball with a crooked stick and then WALKING AFTER IT" -George Carlin
by stlcardsfan4 on Feb 23, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Gahhhh, it's Tommy John Time...
I think he retired a couple of years ago.
My sources are bigger than your sources.
Twitter
by TBender on Feb 23, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
First I wake up earlier than I want to because Josh keeps pacing past the bedroom door.
This after not being able to sleep all night.
Then, the fucker ate the last of my cocoa pebbles, even though there was hardly any there and he knows I mix it with Grape Nuts because Grape Nuts by themselves are disgusting. Then I click on a Calcaterra link from Twitter and it redirects to the Hardball Talk homepage where I see the headline about Wagonmaker.
This day si shaping up poorly.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
You misspell words all the time.
And you have a your/you’re problem that I’m tired of ignoring!
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
Bleeeechh!
You eat Cocoa pebbles mixed with grape Nuts???? not even moo juice can save that unholy cowcoction!
:=8P
Whoya finna try?
You eat the cocoa pebbles first.
Then you have chocolate milk for the Grape Nuts.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
..........
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 23, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
this is what we get for letting the PD go on and on about
the starting 5 is set blah blah blah
i blame you strauss
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
really? First I've heard of it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
link is to ESPN
has to have east coast bias. I wouldn’t believe it.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
per a buster olney tweet
cards are expecting TJ. NO NO NO NO NO.
EH #2
FIRE JOHN MOZELIAK.
by zoomzoomj88 on Feb 23, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
effin zoomzoom
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 23, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Ctrl+F "Wainwright" or "Waino" or "elbow."
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
try also, fuck.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Feb 23, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he might as well start with the HGH now
by mick311 on Feb 23, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
zoomzoom, I know people pile on you all the time, so don't say this the wrong way
But this was hilarious, and I needed a laugh. Thanks.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
zoomzoom is Rui's mom?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I really wanted Lohse to be our #5...
And have to pitch decently to keep his job or be replaced by Lynn, Snell, etc…..now he’s our #4 and we are almost guarenteed to be stuck with him the entire season in our rotation no matter how bad he is.
by mick311 on Feb 23, 2011 10:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If I don't scroll up, did it happen?
I figured some amount of shit hit the fan with almost 100 comments at 9:30 AM.
there's always car wrecks.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of car wrecks...
This is how I plan on responding to the Wainwright news.
by Ghostrider520 on Feb 23, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
this is what happens
when you find a stranger in the alps
by adiueordie on Feb 23, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dammit....
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Never find a stranger in the Alps.
Nothing good can come of it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
why can I not find any good pictures of the pile-up on 40?
damn me.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
that's the one
thank goodness for braintwins.
you might be tax-deductible, too.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
So that's what happened when news of Wainwright hit the radio?
Auburn Tigers - 2010 National Champions
by jd is legend on Feb 23, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
freezing rain and Tommy John
never a good combo
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
someone needs to go monitor gdm so he doesn't slit his wrists
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
There is some good news in all this
it possibly leads the Cards into the shitter this season, which could lead APu into waiving his NTC
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
of course by APu, I meant Lohse
yeah, that’s what i meant
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 23, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
if Albert wants a ring more than money....
you guys.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'M FREAKIN OUT HERE.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
LAST ONE OUT, LOCK THE DOORS
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 23, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
"Adam Wainwright" trends on google news.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and suicide prevention hotlines.
by Ghostrider520 on Feb 23, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really want to laugh at this
but can’t. I’ll rec, though.
I need signature suggestions. The Boog and the Walrus have both departed. And it's not funny anymore... sniff
at the risk of nexdef
Cusumano says twelve to fifteen.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You never know WTF Cusumano is talking about.
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
that is true.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
i wish it were minutes.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
ALERT: CUSAMANO GOOGLED TOMMY JOHN SURGERY ON WIKIPEDIA
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Feb 23, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah really
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't really trust Frank
but didn’t every one else think he was gonna be out until after the ASG in 2012?
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
by mattyfrommo on Feb 23, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Well at least we've had a good 5 months to prepare ourselves for this
Skip Schumaker fields like a goat wearing capes
So are looking at a 70s win season?
by RamsFan7 on Feb 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I was talking to a cousin of mine
Yankees fan. He said Yanks really want and need Carp. I say if we are out of it by the All-Star game, we trade him for some nice prospects. Who knows if we’ll pick up his option anyways.
I need signature suggestions. The Boog and the Walrus have both departed. And it's not funny anymore... sniff
we can't afford him
and i won’t be terribly surprised if he ends up in pinstripes
i would like to see Carp throwing for strikes
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Thing is
They really only have one guy I would want (Montero), and they certainly aren’t dealing him for Chris Carpenter.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You don't trade him
and you lose the opt-out money You trade him and you get some sort of return, assuming we are out of the playoff race.
I do not know, however, if you opt.out of his extension, can you offer arb and win the draft picks?
I need signature suggestions. The Boog and the Walrus have both departed. And it's not funny anymore... sniff
worst timing in the world but the Cubs weekend packs go on sale this morning at 10 (in 20 minutes)
You now have the opportunity to purchase up to four (4) Cubs Weekend Flex Packs. Cubs Weekend Flex Packs feature up to four (4) tickets for your choice of a Cubs Weekend game, plus a minimum of two additional games from the 2011 season, excluding Opening Day and Cubs games.
here’s three passwords to whoever wants to use them (please comment if you take one so people know):
57ZNC62
57ZY2CX
57ZE5W6
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
it excludes opening day and cubs games
so how does one go to a cubs game?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
for the record
I didn’t know the prophecy would manifest in such a way.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ludwick ... 8 pounds heavier.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Feb 23, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
he must have been on rui's plan.
(but he has 1% less body fat from last year, not an impossible 1% body fat.)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of fang are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Y2S and his cryptic statements today!
If you don't want my foot on your throat, I'll need to hear the safe word.
I am deeply depressed.
Drinking looks better than studying for partial exams right now…
I need signature suggestions. The Boog and the Walrus have both departed. And it's not funny anymore... sniff
Very nice piece on Edmonds, DanUp.
It’s a shame the news on Wainwright has hijacked the day’s discussion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
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