Overflow Thread: Post-Pujols Plan B
by bgh on Dec 9, 2011 3:27 PM EST
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On the Post-Dispatch's website today, Derrick Goold takes a look at the St. Louis Cardinals' Plan B now that Pujols has chosen to sign with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Goold spoke with general manager John Mozeliak for the article, which touches on the club's "immediate needs but also unexpected long-term elasticity." It is an article full of juicy little tidbits and well worth a read.
In the article Mozeliak expresses a preference for using free agency to address the Cardinals' needs. Specifically, according to Goold, the Cardinals have "explored the market" for free agent outfielder Carlos Beltran as an option in center field, "engaged in conversations" with free agent shortstop Rafael Furcal, and has interest in bringing back Nick "The Shredder" Punto as a veteran bench player and potential Tyler Greene insurance policy at shortstop (presumably if it fails to sign Furcal). Also on Mozeliak's radar are lefty-handed relievers Mike Gonzalez and J.C. Romero.
The $110 million payroll projection from Bill DeWitt, Jr. remains in place even without Pujols. It will be interesting to see how much of it is filled by signing free agents not yet on the roster. Since we are quickly approaching 1,500 comments in the morning thread, I thought we could continue our Post-Pujols Plan B discussions here.
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by a fink on Dec 9, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
A day later...
This still sucks balls.
About the only signing that would make me happy would be Fielder…I could forget about Pujols watching Pork Chop jack huge dingers 40 to 50 times a year.
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Also...(me coping with my pain)
Fielder seems to be a better leader than Pujols.
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he also seems like a nicer person
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No thank you.
I’d rather have Berkman there for a year, move a prospect up to first the next season, and use the money to improve other parts of the team.
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Fielder is a great ball player. Other than maybe Braun Longoria I wouldn't want anyone else,
These guys are consistent and stay in the line-up…also they are all under 30.
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I'm not going to deny that Fielder is a great player.
I just think that the Cardinals had two ways they could go. Either locking Pujols up long term to a crazy big contract or taking the road of flexibility and improving the team overall. I think the best way to complete the latter option is not to sign another star first baseman, but instead to have Berk at first for a season and when he leaves get Matt Adams up to STL to start 1B. Use the money to improve the rest of the team overall.
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I'm not sold on Adams...
Also there aren’t many big boppers out there that can hit for avg.
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Fair enough
I just don’t think Prince Fielder is the right path for the Cards, and you do. I’m fine with that disagreement. I mean, if the Cards DO sign Prince Fielder I would start supporting him and that signing in a heartbeat, I just think there are better ways of doing it.
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welll....you may be right...
I just would feel a bit better in the short term…
tough to lose a Pujols considering you may not see another player like him in the next decade.
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If Craig has the bat we think he does,
no reason he couldn’t be a long-term 1B option either.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 9, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think we might be better off moving Freese over
when/if Cox progresses to that point.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Alright
Over the past 3 years, fielder’s been worth 15.3 WAR, about 5 per season. A projection going forward would have to included aging and regression to the mean. He’s also played in 162 games in each of the past 3 years, so we shouldn’t really expect that.
All in all, Fielder projects to be about a 4.5 WAR player next year. That’s great obviously, but Berkman projects to be a 3 WAR player next year and Craig projects to be a 2.5 WAR player. So that’s a lot of money for a smallish upgrade (we’d also lose a draft pick).
Fielder would be a terrible use of resources, we’d be paying 10 million per win.
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I don't know why you assume Fielder would be worth less next year than last.
Also, Berk isn’t in our long-term plans, is he?
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isn't fielder approaching his peak, not coming down from it?
shouldn’t we expect him to be even better next year?
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He's in the middle of it.
Peak is generally 27-28. He’ll be 28 next year.
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To both of you
When a player puts up 5 WAR in 500 games (like fielder has over the past 3 years), two things are likely: A) he was very good, and B) he was a tad lucky and/or he performed above his true talent. That’s what regression to the mean is, because what we see of players is just their observed talent, we have to regress to something independent of their stats – that would be based the average performance for a player with Fielder’s skill set, age, etc. It’s a basic rule of baseball that in the agreggate, high performance players will do worse the next year following a high performance year.
As to Fielder’s age, most studies show that baseball players peak around 27 years old. So Fielder is at his peak, but should be expected to decline a little going forward.
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http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/how-do-baseball-players-age-part-2/
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I'll read that more carefully when I get a chance, but it looks like 27-30 is fairly stable, moreso in the last 30 years.
And I guess I don’t understand point B. Why do we assume this isn’t his true talent level?
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same here
vep, you seem to be suggesting that fielder is getting lucky or playing above his true talent level. that seems absurd to me. he is really, really, really good at baseball.
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Yes, I'm suggesting that Fielder has likely played a bit above his true talent level
That’s the case with most guys who have played at his level. It’s also the converse with most guys who’ve been replacement level. If you look at players who’ve had a 5 WAR season one year, the overwhelming majority have been worse the following year.
I’m not saying he’s a 2 WAR player, but it’s more likely he’s a 4.5 WAR player than the 5 WAR player he’s been. And then you have to factor in aging and injury risk on top of that. I’d say he’s a bit better than a 4 WAR player going forward.
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i disagree with your undervaluation of prince fielder.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
how would you value fielder in the alternative?
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its not just fielder who needs to take a haircut. its anyone who has a great season.
think about it: there is a subset of all players who are great players. within that subset, some were “lucky” and some were “unlucky.” The lucky great players have the unduly high WAR seasons. Therefore, those players who have monster seasons still must be regressed to the mean.
this is probably an oversimplification, but I think thats the main point.
aren't there rare players who don't really regress to the mean?
for instance, when projecting albert pujols four years ago, surrounded by 9 WAR years, wouldn’t it be smart to say “this guy’s true talent seems to be significantly higher than 5 WAR”?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Yes of course, there are players that have played right to their true talent level
There are even players who have put up 5 WAR season and are playing below their true talent level (Pujols this year). But the majority of guys who have averaged 5 WAR have overperformed.
You should assume Fielder is like the average player who’s put up 4 years of 5 WAR performance – that he’s overperformed a bit.
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let me get this straight:
the majority of players who put up four 5-WAR seasons are overperforming?
okay, i’m going to read that article now and see if that’s really what it says.
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In general a player who is playing well right now,
and a player how is playing like shit right now, are closer together in talent than they appear to be. That’s all VEP is saying.
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Because the spread in true talent level is smaller than the spread in performance
It’s basic statistics. Say you have a distribution of true talent level (IOW, how well a player will hit if he were given a million plate appearances without aging – or something like that). Each player on that spectrum is going to have his own distribution of performance, which is based on both variance in playing for a short period of time and luck.
Therefore, when you combine the two, there is a much greater spread in performance than in true talent level. And because of that, you have to regress performance to the man in order to gauge true talent level.
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ok, that makes sense.
Do you think scouting and a close look at batted ball data, opposing pitchers, etc., can give you a good idea of where a player is performing within their range?
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Yeah definitely
That’s what I started doing around a year ago, combining stats and Pitch f/x to project pitchers. Unfortunately no one else has taken up where I left off.
I don’t know how you would do that for hitters though, I guess hit f/x.
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Also,
I assume this is easy to figure: Over the last 3 years, what are the odds Prince has been playing above his true talent level, what are the odds he has been at it, and what are the odds he has been under it?
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that is not easy to figure out
It would take an estimation of his true talent level mean, based on stuff independent of his stats, and then you would have to plug that into Excel, run a distribution and do some bayesian stuff to figure it out.
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that does make sense. thanks vep.
and hazel
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i don't see why i should assume that.
how often does a player “over-perform” in four consecutive years?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
more often then they don't
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it is more likely for a player to over-perform
four straight years than it is for a player to under-perform four straight years?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Well it depends on his production
If a player has 4 straight 0 WAR seasons, but is still getting playing time, it’s likely that he’s under-performed.
If a player has 4 straight 5 WAR seasons, it’s likely that he’s over-performed (assuming we know nothing else about the player). And what do we really know about Fielder? That he’s fat and has power? I don’t think we have any reason to assume he’s any better than other guys who have put up 20 WAR over 4 years.
Alright here, I’ll give you some examples. From 2007 to 2010, there were 7 players worth around 20 WAR (Longoria, Chipper Jones, Ichiro, Texeira, Cabrera, Youkilis and Crawford). Let’s throw out Chipper and Ichiro, because they were really old. The average age of the remaining players in 2011 was 29. The average WAR of those players in 2011 was 4.3.
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That doesn't prove anything of course
But if you do that for every player similar to Fielder (5 WAR average, 28 years old), I guarantee you’ll find similar results.
And since there is no reason to think that Fielder is any better or worse than the average player who’s averaged 5 WAR a season, you should project him at the average.
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IMHO, none of the 4 players you mentioned
fit the “true talent” regression hypothesis you presented, based on what happened in 2011.
Youkilis had a pretty severe injury (sports hernia) in 2011, as well as hip issues; his “true talent” almost certainly changed in 2011.
Crawford fell off a cliff- he was almost certainly not a 0.2 War true talent player from 2007-2010, nor a 7+ War true talent player in 2010. 2011 might represent a new “true talent” state, but if so, something changed, significantly. If nothing else, he lost 2 wins on defense by moving to Fenway.
Texeira had a .239 BABIP in 684 PA’s, and yet still was worth 4.2 fWAR. Another anomaly.
So that leaves Cabrera, who had the best season of his career, at age 28. Can’t really use that, either… but I’ll bet an internet dollar that Cabrera is “over” 4.5 wins, next year.
The fact is that risk exists in player performance, and that risk is larger, in both probability and consequence, than most people give it credit for being. That’s it. It’s not so much about “under-performing” or “over-performing” true talent, but about the fact that true talent is hard to measure, can change precipitously, as well as that even if it doesn’t change, a given “true talent” can manifest itself across a wide performance space based on factors outside of the clubs control (BABIP, HR/FB, IBBs, etc).
You can use regression to the mean to model this behavior, for the same reasons that insurance companies are able to make money by underwriting Atlas V launches, but it’s crude, inelegant, and leaves lots of room for more innovative/insightful approaches to gain a large competitive advantage.
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Yeah, I know
That wasn’t really a good argument for true talent level, but it is a good argument for injury risk like you say.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
sure guys can have true talent higher! I'm not saying 5 war is the cutoff...
if albert puts up 9, 9, 9, 9 through his prime, that doesnt mean we should suddenly project him for 5. but we do have to consider that its a very real possibility he was an 8,9,8,9 player who got a tad lucky.
have you ever read the article about if we can be sure barry bonds is a better player than neifi perez? I think it really addresses this very subject:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/printarticle/a-treatise-on-true-talent/
if a guy is getting consistently lucky,
can we just raise his “true talent level” to conform to what his production has been?
side-note: i think true talent is somewhat nebulous and unknowable anyway. i’ve read that article before, but i’m working through it again.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
of course true talent is unknowable
But it’s all that matters (how good is this player at a particularly moment).
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I linked to that above
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you're right yours is the print version
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hahaha.
well technically, its below. and i don’t think I should have to apologize for making il rosso’s next dump more interesting
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ah.
i hate using underscores in usernames and think that websites should support using simple spaces, which SBN does. however, twitter does not and ilrosso was already taken.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
ilrosso has never tweeted
and il_rosso is some drummer guy whose tweets are protected.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
"the red"
in italian. red referring to cardinal red, of course.
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i keep meaning to tell you
i always read your name and think of this place, which is awesome: ilcanerosso.com
A little history lesson for those
that don’t remember il rosso’s first screen name: Bon Appetit
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
So much good (and bad)
stuff in that thread.
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by The Continental on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I remember laughing
for a good long while over the fist comment.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
that was right after I signed up. The learning curve was interesting to say the least.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
doesn't like underscores
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His twitter handle is ilrosso_
So he already has an underscore, it’s just in an odd spot.
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but he's had several great seasons.
i mean, i see your point and you know allen craig was worth 2.6 WAR in 220 PAs last season. i obviously don’t think that makes him a 5-6 WAR full time player. but prince fielder has been a great player for awhile. its not fluky.
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i don't think we are saying its flukey.
(at least I’m not). What I am saying is that there’s a chance that Fielder is outperforming his true talent that we haven’t accounted for.
Now, your argument should be: Well isn’t there a chance he is underperforming his true talent level?? This is certainly possible!
So what do we do? We try to take independent data (what other players his age/skill set/etc have done) and use that as part of the forecast. As it turns out, players that put up the type of seasons he has are due for regression to the mean.
of course there is a chance.
but how large is it? is it statistically significant or is it a rounding error, as in the case of feliz vs bonds?
i am curious, i am trying to learn stuff, not trying to sound hostile
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yeah same here
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it's a significant chance
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oh, i hope i didnt come off as hostile at all!
i was/am trying to be instructive. and i by no means am an expert on the subject
also, its an important note: its possible to change your TTL
like jose bautista. Guys that have documented, distinct changes to approach should have their pre-change levels weigh less heavily (or not at all depending on degree).
no, all i am saying is, isn't there a chance this IS his true talent level?
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Yes, of course
But there is a higher chance that he’s over-performed.
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The thing is,
a lot of this discussion has been predicated on the idea that Prince Fielder put up four 5 WAR years. But he also put up a 3.4 WAR year, a 1.3 WAR year, and a 1.7 WAR year. Taking those into account, 4.5 WAR is a rather bullish projection
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where's this fourth year? i see three (2011, 2009, 2007).
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Yeah, but if you just base it off the past three years
He’s averaged 5 WAR. Some systems, like ZIPS, take into account 4 years, but most just weigh the past 3.
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i understand your points, which are somewhat valid
what i don’t understand is what evidence leads you to believe that prince is playing above his TTL. are you basing that solely on the fact that a lot of other 5 WAR players are playing above THEIR TTL?
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has pujols been playing above his TTL his entire career?
has matt holliday?
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the 5+ WAR years Fielder has are (per fangraphs) 2011, 2009, and 2007.
in those years, he hit for a wOBA of .408, .420, and .417. his career wOBA is .391. he’s been a 5 WAR player only when hitting far above that career wOBA (also, his 2009 numbers seem to be partially a UZR hiccup in an undistinguished defensive career).
i would predict a .395 wOBA for him next year – he may be over that or under that, but that makes him a 4-4.5 WAR guy on balance. so, no he hasn’t been playing over his TTL all his career; he’s had good years and bad years.
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i would just like to take a moment to say:
albert pujols was ridiculous. i had no idea the gap between him and fielder was so large.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Fielder's super-stardom has always had a lot to do with fantasy baseball.
That and being a fat guy (what, it’s true).
yeah, he's worse than Holliday
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2006/07/08/09/10/11/cumulative
pujols: 8.5/8.4/9.1/9.0/7.5/5.1/49.6fielder: 1.3/5.1/1.7/6.4/3.4/5.5/23.3
howard: 6.2/3.7/3.0/4.6/1.4/1.6/20.5
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06/07/08/09/10/11/cumulative WAR
pujols: 8.5/8.4/9.1/9.0/7.5/5.1/49.6
fielder: 1.3/5.1/1.7/6.4/3.4/5.5/23.3
howard: 6.2/3.7/3.0/4.6/1.4/1.6/20.5
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okay, there is no way in fuck
i would pay fielder 25 million a year, even for an extremely short deal.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yeah i always thought 25 was way too high
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Howard was worth -35 runs...
on defense and baserunning over the past two seasons. So much for getting slimmer.
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Well that's the baseline
I don’t have evidence that Fielder is over-performing, but based on every other player it’s more likely that he’s been over-performing than he is actually a 5 WAR player.
Assuming Fielder is more like the average player is a lot more reasonable than assuming Fielder is like Pujols.
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Because he comes from the population of major league baseball players
And you have to factor in the chance that he overperformed. Also you have to factor in injury risk.
Uh, read this:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/a-treatise-on-true-talent/
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assuming what contract?
for that 10 million per win? fielder is going to get an outrageous contract, he just is. like 200 million+. boras will holdout till the bitter end.
Prince has some say where he goes, you know. For instance, I don't think he'd sign with a crap franchise, and that might preclude Miami.
We’ll see, but I don’t agree with your assumption. He MIGHT get a contract like that, but I don’t think it’s foregone.
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I think he'll get at least the Reyes contract
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Oh yeah, I agree with that. I just don't think 200m+ is something we can assume.
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I'm not assuming that
But I think a 7/160 million contract is about what it would take.
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I like you when you say smart things
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I like you when you don't talk about Rockies players
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You really ought to do that Pitch f/x to prove to me
how dumb I am
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I meant on Ubaldo
or on Cargo, or JUpton for that matter
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I did do a Pitch f/x on Ubaldo actually
http://www.facebook.com/notes/driveline-mechanics/ubaldo-jimenez-and-the-fastball/231988860376
that was before I new anything though.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
right but that was one game
what we were talking about would mean looking at a group of home games and a group of road games…to see he pitched different or got different movement at altitude
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no, we're talking about is looking at a group of home games and a group of road games
to see if he pitched different or got different movement or velocity – compared to the average player in and out of Coors. That would take a long time to do.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
well it would appear you have Christmas Break
coming up,
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
yeaaaaaah....
I also don’t have my pitch f/x database anymore, and I’m sure I forgot SQL.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
so then you are just talking out your ass?
I am going to go ahead and declare myself smarter and taller than you
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You're the one making the claim that Ubaldo is special
And you maybe be taller, but you’re going to die sooner.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Likely
well since we are too lazy to settle whether all Colorado pitchers deal with those same issues we will have to wait untill Ubaldo has a healthy season in CLE
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
a Pitch f/x on Justin Upton?
that’ll be the easiest of all time.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
a pitch f/x analysis of why he hit
.333/.416/.622 at home 16.5 k%
.246/.328/.429 on the road 20.8 K%
I have postulated that altitude effects fastballs causing them to flatten out, making guys like Cargo and Upton get a bump at home and tank on the road where the ball suddenly moves different.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I knew what you were getting at.
I just couldn’t leave it alone.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
that happens to everyone
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
You don't think VEP is going to be too high?
AHAHAHAHA. Sometimes I like to step out of character. Sorry. I’m done now.
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I would think AGon territory with Seattle
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I'm far more concerned with Berkman's aging curve or Craig taking a long time to recover from knee surgery
And after next year you are looking at also losing a right feilder, so it’s really looking at the upgrade over Adams or Chambers more than magically healthy Craig and aging more gracefully at six years older Berkman, there for the spread is likely more than 2 WAR
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 9, 2011 9:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
None years older
Bot sure why all of my math assumes all 1Bmen are 30, thanks for that Albert!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 9, 2011 9:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nine*
Holy fucking fail
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 9, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mo was on KFNS this morning
and me made it very clear that the Cardinals will not be going after Fielder.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
mo was on XYZ radio station and made it very clear that the cardinals would not be trading colby rasmus
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No, but Mo did. More or less.
I’m not saying his comment shouldn’t be regarded at all, but I don’t think it’s something we should assume is 100% either.
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Good thig TLR isnt here to force us to get Fielder
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holy shit.
i really disagree with the premise of that article.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
nothing in that article surprises me one bit
I’m sure plenty of stories like this will emerge soon
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
According to my dad who works at the RFT
These stories have been floating around for years and years. Albert is a really good man in a lot of ways, but he cannot list personable on his resume.
He's a surly prick. But he's also extremely charitable with his time and money.
It’s as if people can be complex.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
He is a polanski fan, but not as big as vep
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
What a crazy idea
I suppose next you’ll propose that sometimes mere mortals cannot possibly live up to people’s expectations.
I simply cannot agree with this article
Maybe he just didn’t like autographing things. Maybe he’s actually an introvert who dislikes too much public interaction (you CAN be an introvert and still play sports, ya know). Who knows? I hardly think that being frosty when it comes to autographs makes him a terrible person, though.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
by Sir Sci on Dec 9, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if youre an introvert who doesnt like too much public interaction
Southern California isn’t the place to go. Just wait til he’s got paparazzi snapping pics at his house.
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the thing about autographs is....
many people try to get autographs, for the solo purpose of selling them for a profit.
Grit != flat out sucking.
which is what pisses off Albert the most.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm sorry. I don't agree with this at all.
He is going to get mad at someone who makes a small profit off a signed baseball when he just signed a $254 mil contract to play baseball?!?!? If they want to sell a damn signed baseball, then more power to them.
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which is easy for you to say when there aren't hundreds of people approaching you (and your family) every day with the same request
and a good percentage of them with the same motive.
I don’t get why we don’t believe the actual quotes. “This bothers me.” “HOW DARE U.”
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
But I'm also not making $25 mil a year.
At my job, I’m expected to keep up a certain appearance that doesn’t hurt the reputation of my company. At company events, I’m not going to get plastered as this would be a good way to get fired. No where in my employment contract is this specified that I have to act this way. It is just an unwritten part of the job that I better heed or my ass is fired. As for Pujols, he doesn’t have to sign an autograph by he sure should sign a majority of them as I consider it, as his employer should to, part of his job as a well paid baseball player.
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and he did his job.
I’m pretty sure there’s no baseball player who has it in his contract that he’s required to make eye contact, sign autographs while he’s out shopping with his kids, or always be on all the time.
the money has nothing to do with one’s quality of life being surrounded by half screaming fans and half profiteers. you try it for ten years, nonstop, and see how many millions of dollars will buy you peace of mind. it boggles my mind that anyone thinks this is part of the “job description.” he’s never cussed out a single person, or shoved anyone, or so much as worn his shirt wrong. how was he “unprofessional”, again?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If you're an introvert who plays sports and values the tradition of the game
There is literally no better place to play than St. Louis. The sports media here are a joke
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or maybe
the sports media in NYC, Boston, Chicago, and maybe Cali etc. are the joke. Although Strauss is definitely a joke. I seem to remember a discussion where he’s really a Baltimore transplant anyway, though.
But yeah, if you’re out to do hard-hitting journalism and call out the frauds and liars and cheats in society, why not cover politics and bidness and, you know, not sports and entertainment?
I guess Strauss (taking him as the example of artificial sports drama queen columnist) does amuse a broad segment of the population. News is entertainment. So never mind, carry on, answered my own question.
"You've got to have poise. You've got to walk away. You're a long snapper!"
B. Kelly
Bernie's from Baltimore,
I don’t think Strauss is as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Don't know if Strauss is
FROM Balto, but I’m pretty sure he has lived/worked there.
When he talks, he says the word “about” as “aboot,” i.e., like a Canuck or Minnesotan.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 9, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'd argue the opposite
Sure the media is a joke, but that is only one aspect of life that takes up about an hour or two a day during the season. As the unquestioned biggest star of the St. Louis Cardinals, you are automatically the biggest star around town no matter where you go. You will get constantly compared to Stan Musial who is undeniably one of the most personable people around.
As a baseball player, if you go to just about any market larger than St. Louis, all of a sudden you are not the biggest star in town, and while you will certainly garner a certain amount of attention, I’d bet you suddenly can get a certain bit of anonymity.
celebrities are like weeds o'er there.
if they can throw off the papz, they might have the run of the town with less hassle than in the St. Louis area.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I can't speak for anybody else
but I can totally see how being a person on whom millions of random strangers project all kinds of emotions could be a little suffocating, especially if you’re not particularly gregarious, or social, or happy-go-lucky to begin with. Just the on-field performance in front of tens of thousands of noisy spectators, 150-180 days a year, would be draining enough, and then you have to go meet people and talk to the press, etc.
Of course, if I were a stupendously talented athlete and felt that way about my interactions with the public, moving to LA would tend to aggravate that, but what do I know….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
by nota bene on Dec 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree about LA being tougher it is a franchise with success but little tradition
a pretty relaxed fanbase(certainly not rabid) and he is like the 10,000th highest profile person in that metro area as opposed to STL where he is easily the highest
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
there is no way that Albert Pujols is only "the 10,000th highest profile person in L.A."
not even close. And while the fanbase may be less intense, the converse is true of the media.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
and their are way more people in LA, means more crowding
also, LA people are douchebags.
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Can't argue with that
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
hahaha, oh wait you already made this joke
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something tells me that it might work it's way into meme status
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Fine but I seriously doubt he cracks the top 100
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
HMMM maybe resigning Berkman was a personal affront in addition to a professional one
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
you don't know me pearlman
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I'm looking forward to
TLR threatening to spit onPearlman in five years….
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
article seems a little over the top
and i don’t agree with the lebron james narrative
but i’ve long said that i never thought pujols seemed like a pleasant or friendly man
my sentiments exactly
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I like Jeff Pearlman, but I think this article is pretty one-sided. Which is fine. It's opinion.
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oh for fock sake
it’s so predictable. the media builds athletes up into gods, making them larger than life. then an athlete does something human — wow, albert prefers to make a ton of money! — and the media has to start dragging his ass down into the gutter.
i never once thought albert was a charming barrel o’ laughs. but he’s a hell of a player and a good teammate and that’s his job, to be a good player and teammate. i could care less whether he wants to sign a helmet or a jersey, though i’m sure he’s done plenty of both.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I don't think the choice was a ton of money versus no money..
it was a ton of money or a ton of money plus a little bit more.
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hey it is an opinion, which is a good
and did get me to think about things, which is also good. I doubt Albert is some massive rude monster here, but I would guess he sees the world in very black and white terms. I also imagine that he just finds himself locked in in game and practice situations and can appear rude. He actually reminds me more of my father in-law who is a team doc with the Royals. Brilliant doctor, next to impossible to have a conversation with and rarely would appear friendly to anyone who does not know him.
I would guess that Albert was a major presence in the locker room and most likely had very clear unspoken rules about how he wanted the locker room to be. I bet he could be very difficult to be around at times.
I do think that while we got to see his best 11 years, that we are lucky not to have to deal with the next 10 and post playing era. Albert doesn’t strike me as the smiling guy in the lime light wearing the red jacket as the other HOFs are.
Sign me!
by arthropodtodd on Dec 9, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
This reminds me of another point I've been meaning to bring up
One premise a lot of people (myself included) are basically assuming is that, had Albert chosen to stay here, he’d basically be guaranteed to be as beloved as Stan Musial and be a franchise icon.
I agree that it’s basically undeniable he’d be a franchise icon and that spending his entire career here would be a huge plus that nobody could take away from him. However, I do not think we should take it as a foregone conclusion that he would actually ever be as beloved as Stan Musial, and I think it’s also very possible that a significant portion of the fanbase would grow to like him less over time. Part of this is specific stuff we know: he’s kind of surly, has a big ego, etc. Part of it is unknown. A lot can change in ten years’ time. He could freak out, join the army, work for the government, go into business for himself… and be a professional killer in ten years, for all we know.
Anyway, that possibility is something I think people should keep in the back of their minds. There is already a healthy contingent of people who never cared for him all that much beyond his hitting stats, and that was before he had a chance to leave yet. More years could possibly have bred more contempt for lots of people.
This is a good point
Since his departure (as well as before), many have said that he wasn’t their favorite Cardinal (current or lifetime or whatever), myself included. While it has been pretty awesome to watch him play every day, players have come along that are much more endearing to the fan base. I can’t compare this to Stan when he was playing, but I suspect he was the absolute favorite to a much higher percentage of the fanbase than Albert ever would have been.
Because Matheny
Also, people could grow to resent him for not retiring if he starts to suck late in his hypothetical St. Louis contract
There are lots of possible factors.
Perhaps it's because he was never my personal "favorite" I'm not upset with him that he's leaving
I was actually, for a few days anyway, far more pissed with Edmonds for signing with the Cubs for league minimum than I am that Albert signed with Anaheim for $250M+.
i like mo's comments in that goold article
it makes me happy that he sees our farm as strong and not worth depleting.
also: how money is allen craig? we are lucky he got enough PAs last year that we can feel comfortable donning him the starting RF.
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It's that Minute Made Park that done it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Dec 9, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
The park that keeps on giving
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
do not underestimate his turtle-like recovery skills!!
He’ll be shelling homers on opening day! he’ll be dining on Dinger Soup! He’ll be a cold-blooded homerun monster!! He’ll be necking out homers! He’s a turtle!!!
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by pattimagee on Dec 9, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lets assume that we do sign beltran
what happens when craig comes back? does he strictly platoon with jay and get starts when berkman and holliday get days off? or does he become the starting CF? mo talked about needing a “bridge.” a bridge guy, to me, means someone more like coco crisp, who isn’t necessarily a starter on a contending team. so, not beltran. just wondering what craig’s injury might mean for jay.
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It seems to me that they want someone who can play CF and hit right-handed
who is also capable of starting everyday in RF until Craig returns.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 9, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Can he still play CF?
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That's a very legitimate question.
The Mets moved him to RF last season. I believe that’s where he played for San Fran, too.
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by bgh on Dec 9, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Guys, just because two teams said a guy wasn't good enough to play a position last year, doesn't mean he can't play it next year!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 9, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Seriously
I’ve been bummed about Pujols leaving, and this almost single-handedly cheered me up, at least for a few moments. There is never a time this gif has appeared in a thread and not made me laugh. Please sprinkle it in over the next few days, people, as I recover from my Pujols abandonment issues.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 9, 2011 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
DAMNIT
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Our OF gets the least fly ball chances in the league.
I’ll take my chances if he is cheap.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
beltran seems like a good fit
but i just wonder if jay will lose his starting job if we sign him
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Hopefully
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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What is this meme
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
When he was drafted a scout (I think) said he might win a batting title some day.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
In the "how things have changed" department, VEB did not have a draft thread in 2006.
Or even a mention of the draft, really.
Though in early 2007 Erik said:
Jon Jay LF (polished college hitter, high contact guy. Strong lower body suggests he could hit for more power, but that’s not his game. Walked more then he struck out. Lefty. Tony Gwynn-light? There, I said it.)
"He probably misses his old glasses."
LOL
Infielders?
It looks like our top prospect list has a single top prospect for 3B/SS/2B, Tyler Greene. Travis Hansen may get back on the list with a rebound year. But that is a really short list.
Are there any other guys out there that project to these positions, or who are under the radar, sleeper-types at any of these positions.
Or is this a huge void that needs to be addressed soon? We are deepest with pitching prospects, then with outfielders. Catching looks pretty good, too. First base is pretty much Mark Hamilton, but with Albert, that is enough.
The first round in 2007 would be a good time to grab a primo SS/3B prospect; and middle infielders should be a priority in the middle rounds, too.
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Pete Kozma can't read this, as the bling on his World Series ring is blinding him.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
how will he ever win the batting championship if he doesn't start?!
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Probably, but there should still be enough ABs
To go around and I still feel like Jay is probably best suited as a 4th OFer. He can start at RF until Craig comes back, then move to CF. Craig, Jay and Beltran could all split ABs between CF and RF and then fill in for any injuries or days off for Holliday.
by mick311 on Dec 9, 2011 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Beltran would be better in CF
Than Berkman in RF
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 9, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
If Beltran can play center Craig can be the primary starter in RF
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Lets start a petition Bobo
“Short people for Beltran and f$%k tomcat.”
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on 101 earlier
Bernie played the Pujols interview saying “why he wouldn’t leave”, while playing AC DC’s “Money Talks” over it…lol
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 3:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
speaking of Bernie
new sig….the I’m Tony La Russa Bitch one just isn’t as hilarious today. Maybe I’ll switch back after a while.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
If possible
I sign Mike Gonzalex, Beltran, Punto, Schu.
I nontender McClellan and Theriot
That gives a bullpen of Motte, Salas, Sanchez, Lynn, Boggs, Gonzalez, Scrabble
An OF of Holliday, Beltran, Craig
An IF of Freese, Greene, Descalso, Berk
a bench of Punto, Jay, Schumaker, Hamilton, Cruz (or Anderson)
The last 24 hours have been so strange.
First Pujols, and now Brandon Roy retires. sob For those of you who don’t follow the NBA, imagine if Wainwright had to retire due to injuries.
Well, at least the Cardinals and Blazers are still good teams. The Cardinals will be fine going forth, whereas the Blazers may not be.
I also would like to endorse the idea of spending some of the money trying to find a much, much better shortstop, though Furcal wouldn’t be bad.
sad day in rip city.
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The Roy thing is about like the Pujols thing, except Roy retired.
What a strange day to be a fan of the Cardinals and Blazers.
by mattisnotfrench on Dec 9, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
its the exact opposite of the pujols thing, isn't it?
i mean, no one is mad, just sad. it is a very sad thing. my family is a bunch of big blazer/cardinals fans, and they are super depressed right now.
i don’t follow the blazers much anymore. i’m still nostalgic for the clyde drexler/terry porter/buck williams days. those were good days.
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Blazers are the only game in town here.
So of course, it’s a big, big deal in Portland. We became fans about 5 years ago and now go to 8-12 games every year. It’s great fun. The recent teams have been pretty good and the hope is that if they can actually get healthy (hahahahaha) they’ll break through and make it past the first round of the playoffs.
by mattisnotfrench on Dec 9, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
they've come a long way from jail blazers
which is when i lost my fandom
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If I understand it right, that contract could be a valuable piece for the Blazers
Insurance paying the actual cash, but it can be used as cap fodder in a trade. Unless they closed that loophole.
Not afraid to nitpick
The real value here for the Blazers
is that they no longer have to worry about using their new-CBA-approved amnesty clause on Roy and can cut salary elsewhere, if they so desire.
Cards, Colts, and Pacers - Baseball, football, and basketball or gambling, guns, and old cars?
looking at the salary matrix
they really don’t have any other amnesty candidates, so i don’t think that’s the value for them. it’s nice to have Roy’s contract just come off, though.
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
I mean in terms of your franchise player one day not being there anymore.
But yeah, nobody is mad. I do believe he still gets his money (which I think is paid for mostly by insurance).
the great misfortune to keep fespn on
and lebatard doesn’t seem to know who controls the new orleans franchise…. oh yes, why wouldnt the league let the gm do whatever he wants? GEE WHIZ I DUNNO.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
BELTRAN BELTRAN BELTRAN
i don’t have big hopes of a berk-like resurgence (OR DO I???). but i would greatly enjoy him doing those silky carlos beltran things he can still do for 100-120 games a year.
Don't need a resurgence. He doesn't even have to play as well as last year.
His career average of ~ .280/.360/.500 would be fantastic over 100+ games, assuming tolerable defense in CF and RF.
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if Beltran can play CF well enough, I'm all for it
that’s a big if though. If they think he can’t play center, they shouldn’t touch him.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Absolutely.
He becomes redundant once Craig is healthy. But if he can steal a lot of PT from Jay, I’m all for it. I think that would be great for all four of Jay, Beltran, Craig, and Berkman.
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You figure Berkman should start about 130 games
and Craig will probably only start 120 at best… Holliday will 10 games off or so. That’s 84 starts right there. Beltran would only have to start in center about 40 times to get his 130 starts. Plus it seems inevitable that there will be an injury.
Sign Roy O
This is what I'm thinking.
How bad does his defense have to be that he can’t start in CF <1/3 of the season? Is this not the team that started Theriot at SS like 90 times, and Craig in CF 5 times?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Probably similar to Berkman...
-10 to -15 run CFer.
There are also 15 opportunities to DH.
Sign Roy O
IMHO Beltran *must* have something on defense in CF to justify the amount of $$
otherwise, the team is probably better off spending the resources elsewhere in the FA market, or saving their bullets for next season, or plowing the money into scouting/drafting, or something. Beltran isn’t really going to be cheap, he’s 35, and he’s had injury trouble.
I’d like to see the team sign him, but I just don’t think they desperately need him specifically.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Yeah, Beltran is like the perfect Berkman
62 WAR over his career. He was a 4.7 (!!) WAR player last year, a 3.0 WAR player in 2009 (in 81 games!!!) and a 7.6 (!!!!!) WAR player 2008. If he can be had on a two year deal we have to fucking do this. Please Mo, I don’t ask for much.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
2/24
you dig?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
that's exactly what i would pay him
i really doubt he’ll take it though. some idiot will offer him 3/45 or something stupid.
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Not sure if it was in the last thread, but somewhere I pointed out that Berkman was a buy-low
Beltran is closer to a sell-high depending on how the market develops. They both aging offensive producers with injury histories, but they’re coming off very different years.
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Yeah, that's why we were able to get Berkman on a 1 year 8 million dollar contract
If we got Beltran on that deal I’d shit my pants. But I’d still be fine with a 2 year 26 million dollar contract.
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Hell no
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
also alexei is a 4WAR SS making:
2012: $5 million, 2013: $7 million, 2014: $9.5 million, 2015: $10 million, 2016: $10 million option w/ $1 million buyout
and we won the world series.
he's also 30
And Jaime is a 3-4 WAR pitcher making this:
12:$3.25M, 13:$5.75M, 14:$7.75M, 15:$9.25M, 16:$11.5M club option ($0.5M buyout), 17:$12M club option ($0.5M buyout)
it's not that i don't like alexei ramirez, as a player and as a trade target
jaime’s just more better-er to have given age and contract
did y'all really miss their recap of the playoffs?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no, really, did y'all miss the giant beer mugs??
the cowboy hats? all that??
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
BEHOLD
the gifs are elsewhere.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
how many posters?
we need to come up with about a billion $$
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
***click on the upper right hand corner for the English narration on the tubes***
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i was about to say
that’s one of my favorites
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so it IS in his eyes!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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When I watched this I realized
I’m really going to miss seeing AP punch baseballs out of the park with his fist and riding around the bases on a motorcycle.
Torty Craig, we hardly knew ye.
i'm guessing they really hate danup
no alerts again eh
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That was awesome...
wonder how Al would feel about watching an animated version of him and CJ chasing a net full of money…
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
also the royals have signed Jeremy 'Powder' Reed as their starting catcher
and we won the world series.
Am I the only one who wonders if these are simply made by college students with
an asian fetish who have found a way to trick millions of stupid americans into watching only mildly funny clips?
Because seriously, I wonder that.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Yes, same.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 9, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Do you also wonder if there are FBI cameras in your house watching you?
Sometimes a stupid clip is just a cigar.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Abel is my favorite track from that album, but All the Wine & Mr. November are great too
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mr november is by far my favourite.
driving on the 1 with the windows rolled down yelling that song. good times.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i miss Matt being angry
i wish their new music was like that. but seriously, seeing Mr. November live is one of the great music experiences right now.
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
but the best thing is, i haven't seen them in 3 years
and i am told they are STILL that good.
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
went to a show of theirs last may (i think)
and they are still that good.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
also, this disappoints me, because Fake Empire is not significantly better live
it’s really good, but i love About Today/Mr. November/Abel/Squalor Victoria/Baby, We’ll Be Fine precisely because they are great songs that become absolutely transcendent live. i tend to like live music more than studio music, but i’ve never known a band that makes traditional 3-6 minute rock/pop/etc songs that is so much better live than they are studio before.
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
btw- comment about this
if y’all don’t have the White Sessions bootleg- get it. it’s the best encapsulation of the National live in a recorded manner i’ve found, and it’s wonderful.
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
bloodbuzz, probably
in a tier (TIERS!) with mistaken for strangers, apartment story, slow show, and the three i mentioned above
this makes me want to tier National songs really badly but i'm going to resist
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oops.
my bad. i meant, give your favourite song on each of their last three albums.
por moi—mr november, fake empire, anyone’s ghost.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
ah
Abel, Fake Empire, then I’m not sure. Vanderlyle Crybaby Geeks or Bloodbuzz, probably.
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(this was pretty difficult, the more i think about it,
the more i think i should just throw all of alligator on for the first one)
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
the funny thing about this
is that their songs tend to fit the 20-something experience (at least mine, anyway) so perfectly that a lot of it comes down to how strongly a song personally resonates.
like for me, fake empire’s good, but slow show = holy shit GET OUT OF MY BRAIN
My girlfriend got me into these guys...
they are a new orleans band but they play the east coast…st. louis etc…
Great show. The drummer is nuts.
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cool...
I would put them up there with one of my favorites…
My girlfriend would say fav…she has all the cds etc…
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
ALL OF THE WINE
duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh udh
Wine.. wiiiiine.
ALL OF THE WINE
pour up the wine in here baby
want you to drink everything, drink ALL OF THE WINE
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
yay young ladies.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
afterward you can go home
and i’m pretty sure if you play skinny love, pants will start flying off
by prophetjohn on Dec 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what he said.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
this is a true statement.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I was even so curious that I went on YouTube and looked up the song "skinny love" by an artist who is apparently called bon iver
I was right the first time: I had never heard that song before.
it actually kind of sounds like
it was recorded in a McDonald’s bathroom.
Maybe I just don’t deserve Bon Iver, but that’s some awful music.
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
i did?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
oh, see.
that’s what i get for failing at reading the comment.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
So, you’re saying this isn’t just a “content mattybobo doesn’t get” but it’s also a “VEB meme mattybobo completely missed” situation?
Fuck, the Pujols thing must still be messing with my brain.
As much as I hate having to explain my jokes
I think I hate it even more when I realize I’m the reason someone else had to explain their joke. So, ap-lol-ogies, pj.
jesus christ, this is a sublte fucking job pj
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i liked this a lot for a while but the drum track is a tiny tiny bit off, i think, and it really, really bothers me
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
it may not be, it could just be me. i only pretend to be a drummer.
but it sounds early, and it annoys the shit out of me.
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
i'm trying to figure out how to make a reference as gracefully as you did upthread.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
The REAL Albert
Everyone needs to read this. This is the REAL Albert Pujols.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/09/opinion/pearlman-pujols/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
IT.
IS.
A.
FUCKING.
OPINION.
PIECE.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 9, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't believe in opinions.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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LOL coming from a lawyer.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
has Pearlman written anything other than "unathorized biographies" of superstar athletes?
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
I think Pearlman has a point. Pujols could definitely be surly and standoffish at times.
But I agree with you — there’s no need to take this article as gospel.
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I dont care so much about beeing famus. I just want to be smart like other pepul so I can have lots of frends who like me.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 9, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
If we don't sign Beltran, what does everyone think
Of Andre Ethier for next year? I doubt LA will keep him after resigning Kemp, but what kind of deal could we expect him to get, especially if he has another so-so year….he will be 31 next offseason.
If no, there are some other pretty decent OF and MI options for next year, I listed there 2011 fWAR and then age at next years offseason:
Michael Bourn (4.2) 30
BJ Upton (4.1) 28
Shane Victorino (5.9) 32
Carlos Quentin (2.6) 30
Nick Swisher (3.8) 32
Delmon Young (0.4) 27
Howie Kendrick (5.8) 29
Brandon Phillips (6.0) 32
Kelly Johnson (2.2) 31
Eric Aybar (4.0) 29
Stephen Drew (1.9) 30
Maicer Izturis (2.0) 32
Didn’t list Cano or Kinsler because they both have pretty team-friendly club options. Can’t imagine TEX not resigning Hamilton too.
by mick311 on Dec 9, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would pay Andre Ethier maybe 10 million per, and short years.
And some GM out there will pay him more than that. So no, don’t want.
I like Upton (and Swisher a little less)
Hamilton would also be nice to get, but with him you have injuries and the risk of relapse (which we dealt with when Spiezio was on the team)
Ethier also power issues last year, but I don’t know if that’s a nagging injury, a stance tweak, or a down year
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 9, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Upton's Split say he is a good bet, Bourn would be nice defensively as Holliday ages
Kendrick and Aybar would be nice payback and a nice tandem to keep together
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
It will be hard for Kendrick to repeat,
Last year was his best year by far…SLG was way up over his career mark. His career BABIP is pretty high, but if he can’t maintain it, he will regress. The low walk rate scares me.
by mick311 on Dec 9, 2011 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like Kelly Johnson, now and forever.
Was disappointed when they kept him this year.
Wouldn’t mind being in on Upton at all. Kendrick figures to be probably too expensive if he repeats.
I think it might be more likely that the next big contract the Cards dole out is similar to how Holliday went — trade, then extend/re-sign right after the season — rather than a classic FA signing.
this.
i REALLY wanted kelly johnson.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Phillips
yes please.
It would be worth it just to see the reaction he gets the first time he walked out in a Cardinals uniform.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Dec 9, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
well yes, this.
I would love to have BP for that reason too.
DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS?!!
by Vindicator9000 on Dec 9, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
can we sign him to play SS instead?
wasn’t he originally drafted as a SS?
by hr on Dec 9, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
They'd have to roll him out on a stretcher, though
after he got mugged by his teammates in the clubhouse.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 9, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
upton plz
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Did not realize Drew's 10m option for 2013
Is mutual. If he puts up a good year, I bet he opts out and trys to get paid. I bet he gets a ridiculous contract though. Hopefully he has a so-so year and opts out anyway.
by mick311 on Dec 9, 2011 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think andre ethier wouldn't get much playing time after allen craig got back.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Ethier seems like he could very well be just an expensive older version of Craig right now anyway
I don’t see the point in spending the money to get him. They’re projected to pretty much be the exactly same player.
Mitchell and Ness can
redacted.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I want to kill things.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm over Albert.
TBH he can go piss up a giant rope made of money. These SOB’s are screwing me out of my Musial jersey.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Finally got a hold of someone.
Told me my order was complete, no rain check, no backorder, and no plans to ship me my Musial. I’m waiting to hear from a manager. I’ll be over here holding my breath.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Called me back.
Offered me any other jersey in stock for same price. I’ll look.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's a shit deal.
Good luck with what jerseys/sizes are left over.
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Cahill for Jerrod Parker...
Cahill seems like a young Kyle Lohse who is going to look a ton worse in the D-Backs’ park.
Sign Roy O
Anyone know who we lost in the rule 5?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i will, but i'm a glutton for punishment.
it was opened to the public, so i may even go to the actual thing.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm not going to watch purely because I don't want to see him put on that angels jersey
I’m scared
by hr on Dec 9, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
closure is good
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
A horrible, abducting, gang rapist?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
wear a cardinals jersey and stand in the front row shaking your head
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
No, don't care.
Wanting to move past it.
by mick311 on Dec 9, 2011 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, I've moved on to college Basketball.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Nope
Don’t really enjoy that sort of thing. I will probably glean the details from the web though just in case there is any substance that matters.
none of the substance will be very truthful anyway
i would love to see him get up there and be honest and say look, i had more money and i took it and 99.9% of you would have done the same thing. then drop the mic and say “pujols out.”
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I'll be working
but I wouldnt watch it anyway, if I was at home
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
Calling it now. Quotes that will be heard:
“I’d like to say Thanks to all the great Cardinal fans.”
“I’m looking forward to helping bring a World Series to LA.”
“They made me feel like family.”
“They showed me that they really wanted me.”
“Looking to ending my career here.”
“I love white women.”
“St.Louis will have a special place in my heart.”
“Thanks for giving me an opportunity but time to turn the page to the next chapter.”
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 9, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
you forgot
“I asked god for help, and when you’re rich like me, he answers in less than 24 hours with the duh! answer of ‘Angels’”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
"i'd like to thank gog for givin me da talent to play dis gang
and the cardinals for giving me the opportunity to play baseball and be a part of dat great organizashun
we are now looking forward to the next chapter of my career. we want to be part of da community and i want to help da team win.
in the eng we thought dis was da best decishun for me and my family and we are excited and grateful to be here blah blah blah"
i’ll still watch it though cause i like it rough
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
hey did you do another outstanding fanpost
daayum
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not really, just a normal fanpost
there will be no attempts at outstandingness from me for another year
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Here are my thoughts about how we should spend the Pujols money
We have Berkman and Craig next year, filling 1B and RF respectively, so I don’t think we should sign Fielder to a 5 year 100 million dollar deal. That would be a relatively small upgrade (2.5 WAR at the most) over Craig over that span and it would cost us a draft pick this year.
I would much rather spend the bulk of the money of places where we do not have a viable long term option, namely SS (2B to some extent, but Wong is a legitimate prospect, so I’d rather focus on SS). Given that there are no good SS in free agency this year, we could do one of two things: trade Shelby Miller for a high end shorstop – maybe Alexei Ramirez – and then sign Darvish to replace Miller (also trade Lohse or Westbrook).
That would be a pretty good move, but I would rather sign Beltran and Furcal this offseasion to short term deals, maybe 2/16 for Furcal and 2/26 for Beltran, sign Punto and platoon him and Greene at second base, and have Craig play as the super sub again (or if Beltran can still play center, have Craig start in right, and have Jay sub him). Then next year in free agency, we could sign Erick Aybar to be the long term option at shortstop (he’s about as good as there is in baseball over the past three years and won’t likely cost that much in FA due to his defense heavy value). That way we could have a great team next year (Beltran and Fucal are probably good for 6 WAR), while still keeping Shelby and having flexibility in our long term payroll so we can make a big signing in FA somewhere down the road.
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that is a liberal application of
“as best as there is in baseball”.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I agree somewhat
Obviously there’s a world of difference between Aybar and Tulo over the past three years. But the next SS on the list is Hanley Ramirez, and that difference is only four WAR over three years. That’s a surprisingly small difference to me. There’s only a tiny difference over the last three year between Aybar and most of the guys above him on this list.
he's worth 9 WAR over the past 3 years
The only guys appreciably better than him were Tulo (not happening), Hanley (expensive as shit), Jeter (expensive as shit, and on the rapid decline), and then there’s a string of guys who are about as good as Aybar.
I didn’t mean to say that he was one of the best shortstops in baseball, just that he was one of the best who we could reasonably acquire.
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the problem is that after next year, we have fielder AND craig
so what you should be looking at is the WAR difference between fielder and whoever ends up playing first – like adams or hamilton. and obviously we can’t know that yet, but i imagine we’re talking about more than a 2 WAR upgrade for at least most of his contract, assuming we only sign him for 5-6 years.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Yeah of course
But next year is important as well, especially if it’s 1/5th of the contract. Also, Berkman could very well be in our future plans.
Also, it seems like it would be a lot harder to find a good SS than a good RF (assuming Craig moves to first after Berkman).
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i have little desire to include berkman in our future plans unless they are on one year deals only
he will be 36 in february.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I think that we could get him on one year deals
I don’t think that anyone else is going to give him multi-year deal in his late thirties.
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if matt adams is ready, i would rather give him a shot
and spend that money on the MIF
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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or, alternatively, PRINCE FIELDER
i actually don’t really care if we sign him or don’t. just surprised that some are so against it.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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because the money could be used better elsewhere
like getting a shortstop, or sign Beltran and Furcal.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I think Berkman, even at age 38, is a lot better than Matt Adams
Berkman had a 5 WAR season last year!
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
weren't you the one who just linked to that article about how players massively decline as they age?
you might be right. but adams is an unknown quantity right now.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
but moving forward,
you have to expect him to significantly decline.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
yeah, you have to assume he was playing above his true talent level.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
of course, i'm not arguing that Berkman is a 5 WAR player next year
He’s probably around a 3 WAR player. And then maybe a 2.5 WAR player the year after and 2 WAR the year after that.
That’s still league average or better. Matt Adams looks worse than that at this point.
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oh does he? i don't know much about him
but others seems to have higher hopes than that for him
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I mean he'll be 24 next year and he's coming off of a .391 wOBA with an average BABIP in AA
So I think he has some potential. 2012 will be a key year for both him and Berkman.
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another thing that doesn't make sense
is signing furcal for 2/16 and then Aybar the next year for a long-term contract. Then what do we do with the Furcal extra year at 8 mil? Sit on it? Seems like a waste of resources imo
I proposed Carlos Martinez for Alexei Ramirez earlier
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 9, 2011 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would take that deal and run
I’m not sure the White Sox would be too excited about it, but Martinez might be a good base.
I agree with your plan...
I really like Aybar too.
I would sign Beltran as long as its reasonable, 2 yrs/25m, maybe add a vesting option for a third. I would also try and bring back Furcal but only at 2/15m or less (otherwise Greene + Punto), and yes we could move him to 2nd if we signed Aybar for 2013. Aybar probably wouldn’t cost too much so there would still be money left to sign a SP or another bat with Lohse, Berk and Westy off the books and Shelby coming up to replace one of the rotation spots. Personally, I would try and sign Upton to a long term deal. Let Upton play CF, move Beltran to RF, Jay to 4th OFer, Craig to 1st, Furcal to 2nd. Sets up nicely with Furcal and Beltran to come off the books in 2014, with the potential of Wong and Tavares stepping in at 2nd and RF.
by mick311 on Dec 9, 2011 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jaime Garcia for Alexei Ramirez/JJ Hardy/Yunel Escobar/Erick Aybar
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Didn't you say no to this earlier?
Does not seem worth it, frankly.
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Erick Aybar is a free agent next year, why in the hell would we trade Jaime for him?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
We don't have a replacement for him
Maybe in a few years when we have guys banging on the major league door
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 9, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
anything that involves traded JAIME is a bad idea i think
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Garcia and Taveras for Tulo!!!!
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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 9, 2011 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no/no/no/no
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
was it mentioned earlier that Dotel's final two choices were Detroit and Milwaukee?
It seems that the Cardinals weren’t even interested in re-signing him. Good for Mo, take the draft pick.
did dotel have a particularly strong relationship with TLR that I was unaware of?
/confused
by hr on Dec 9, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
i think being an old and effective reliever constitutes having a strong relationship with TLR
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
veterany veterannes
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
or, maybe that's because the cards were too tied up in the pujols negotiations
Either way, I’m happy the way things have turned out so far.
by hr on Dec 9, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
also, where the hell is everyone
WTF? You can’t tell me every single one of you have something to do on a Friday night…
This is killing my self-esteem. Thanks, VEB.
by hr on Dec 9, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm here duder
All I did today was take care of my kid and install my new cheap printer. But the wife and I are going to a hospital Christmas party tonight so there’s that.
oh, wow, my auto-refresh was off for some reason
never mind, I thought I was alone for 15 minutes. whew.
well, anyway, have a good time at the party :L
by hr on Dec 9, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
mine has been doing that a lot recently
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
brah, it's like 6:30...
i haven’t even started yet.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
eh, any GM could have made that move.
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what did he get with the tigers anyway? i missed that deal in the commotion
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Listening to Hans Zimmer's Time
while watching clips of Pujols = bad.
Listening to it while watching highlight of game 6 and 7 of the WS = amazing
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions
Does anyone know exactly how the new draft budgeting rules work?
It seems like the soft cap for each team is based on the number of picks they have and how high they are. Do I understand that right? I think also they showed somewhere a couple of examples of teams that spent less last year than their allotted spending would have been.
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...why?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
facebook, what is that 5 posts ripping on pujols
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
? all saying the same exact thing?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
over the playoffs i got in the habit of posting various pictures and stuff from big cardinals events.
so i decided to keep it going since it was a big cardinals event. and yes, am i not allowed to rip pujols? am i not allowed to be disappointed and angry at someone who lies?
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I just think your is a little black and white
Pujols has always said what he cares most about is winning, and the Angels offer him at least as good as chance of that as the Cardinals (especially considering how high their payroll always is).
Is it that unreasonable for him to choose an extra 30 million once he’s established that he’s going to have a chance at winning? I know he said he’d like to play in St. Louis all his career, but that’s not a lie exactly.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Eh, the Angels have a good shot at winning some games
But when was the last time they went to the playoffs? And the last time they went to or won the WS? And when was the last time the Cardinals did those things?
Even with Pujols, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Cardinals win more games next year and/or over the life of the contract.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Past performance is irrelevent
The only thing Pujols cares about is who is more likely to win a WS in the future. And I think the Angels are at least as likely as the Cards.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
It's irrelevant aside from its usefulness in projecting the future.
I’m not convinced the management there is all that clever. Moreno wants to win, and when he gets impatient he tosses money at the biggest fish in the FA sea. GMJ, Torii Hunter, and now CJ Wilson and Pujols. They’ll have a good team, but I don’t think they’ll be yearly contenders like Pujols is mostly used to.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Yeah, Moreno's a dumbass
But they had a 140 million dollar payroll last year. It’s easy to win when you can sign FA to fix all of your problems.
Over the past 5 years, the Angels have averaged 91.4 wins. The Cards have averaged 86.2 wins.
Also the Astros are moving into the AL West.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
Oof. I need to stop taking playing in the NL Central for granted.
Still, I like the Cards chances to out play them: Cards don’t have Vernon Wells.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Tyler Greene
prefer his cabinet members to hammer these things out in private. Shows a more unified front.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 9, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Angels won the WS in 02
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Rhetorical question
I’m just saying we’ve gone 3x since then and won twice. What have the Angels done? Squat. (except for winning more games than us in the regular season, apparently)
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
they had two Molinas, though.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And his acting partners
Kennedy and Eckstein.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
cool....
EXCEPT WE JUST WON THE FUCKING WORLD SERIES AND HAVE EVERYONE AND MORE COMING BACK
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
This WS win was kind of a fluke don'tcha think?
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As much as any other 90 Win team winning the WS is a fluke, I suppose.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Yeah, in order to win the WS
We had to have the Braves crap out, and then beat the Phillies, Brewers and Rangers, all of who were better teams than us.
FUCK YEAH. But its not like we’re a juggernaut or anything.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
except we beat them all except the Braves, but had it been a one game playoff I would have been betting on the Cards
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 9, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Braves part isn't all that relevant.
The Cardinals won more games (barely), the order is mostly narrative.
Past that, ANY team needs to get at least a little lucky to win the WS. That’s the nature of any 5 or 7 game series.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
I don't get how they were better than us.
The only thing the Phils had on us by the end of the season was better starting pitching. That offense wasn’t exactly terrifying. And we had the best offense in the NL. If our bullpen hadn’t sucked so bad for the first 2/3 of the season we would’ve been right with the Brewers who just played out of their minds in Aug when we were struggling. I think the Rangers were a wash. They were really only terrifying at home. They scored some runs in Game 6 but couldn’t hang on to it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, the Phillies, Rangers and Brewers each had better records than us in the regular season
So, interpret that how you like. I’m just saying that Cards are not favorites to win the WS next year.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I'm not thinking that we're favorites at all.
We’re probably as good as we were at the end of last year overall. With Adam coming back, even if he’s only half as good to start out that’s better than avg. We pick up a couple of pieces here an there? who knows?
My only point was that in head to head match-ups in the postseason, we weren’t over-matched. I will admit that it took a massive amount of luck for the Braves to fall apart the way they did. Once we got past that, it all evened out.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well we weren't massively overmatched
Only like a 3-4 win difference, which is nothing over a 7 game series.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I'll buy that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
people forget that prior to the Wainwright injury
the Cards actually were considered contenders….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
the fact that those teams were better than us is irrelevant
we have seen it so many times now the playoffs are random as hell, at this point i don’t think you can say its a fluke when an inferior team wins it all. it just the nature of how MLB is set up
And maybe he just wants to win a WS with another team
I think saying “he lied, he was really all about the money” is wrong. If that were the case he would have gone to the Marlins.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
He wasn't stupid and foolish enough to go to the marlins.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
who doesn't want more money
Fire extinguisher thrown at head
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 9, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He wasn't going to trust Loria that far or he would've signed it.
Apparently, Loria even creeped Lozano out, and that’s saying something.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
according to the marlins gm their offer was "a hair over 200 million"
the 275 came only from nightengale who is full of shit
no. the marlins only offered 201m
that narrative needs to die
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this is not true. at all.
pujols went for the $25M AAV and nothing else. just accept that.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
you're right, but he valued winning first and foremost
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
As much as it hurts to do this I agree with VEP
if you were Pujols which team would you bet is more likely to compete long term with a 20+ million AAV or two contract on the team?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
sure. you know what else was a fluke? 2006.
know what else was a fluke? making the playoffs this year.
know what else was a fluke? underachieving like we did in 2010 and most of 2011.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
getting swept by the fucking Dodgers in 09 was fluky
so was getting swept by the fucking Red fucking Sox fuck dammit fuckity bastard ass why did I remind myself of that.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
being swept by the Red Sox...
is so two rings ago. Barely even hurts any more.
Pink MLB wear is wrong. Just wrong.
Do you disagree that the Angels are as good a team as the Cardinals going forward?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
their rotation next year is
Weaver/Haren/Wilson/Santana and I think they still have Pineiro….that’s a goddamn good rotation. Their position players before they traded for Pujols weren’t that hot as a group, but does Pujols make them better than the Rangers? I dunno but it has to be close….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
yeah, and they get to beat up on the Astros
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Vernon wells was literally the only below average bat in the lineup last year
add Pujols, Trout, Morales, Iannetta, and Itzuris and they are likely to well above average
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
forgot Mathis but obviously Iannetta and Conger
are likely above average offensively
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
And Vernon Wells is likely to be at least average next year
He had a .214 BABIP.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
they finished 10 GB of the Rangers last year. 13 GB by Pythag. I also saw them lose to the Royals in person, so maybe that’s coloring my perception a bit.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
their pythag is always off though
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
please don't make this argument
i’m just starting to agree with you on things.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Well last year it was one win low
ditto 2010
2009 5 wins low
2008 12 wins low
2007 4 wins low
2006 5 wins low
granted they under performed their Pythag 2000-03 by 4 total wins but it does seem like they out performed it significantly in that stretch
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
But that doesn't actually mean they have skill in that area
By statistical rule, one team is going to over-perform their Pythag significantly over a 5 year stretch even if there is no skill involved.
And even if the Angels did have a skill (like say having K-Rod allowed them to win more close games) that doesn’t carry over with the franchise. This years team is completely different from 08’s team.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
it also may have a bit to do with playing in a
division with Texas where you can get bombed 4-5 times a year and it doesn’t change your teams talent level. Things like pythag assume a standard distribution something that is unlikely in a division where you play a lot of road games at Safeco, Oakland and Texas. I don’t think it is a skill so much as a function the volatility of where they play
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Texas sucked up until the last two years
Before them were the A’s who were all pitching.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
no, i don't.
but that doesn’t matter.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
ok well you're wrong and being a homer
and it does matter because the number 1 claim Pujols made was that he wanted to win first and foremost.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
this is such bullcrap.
WE. JUST. WON. THE. FUCKING. WORLD. SERIES. and were only going to get better with wainwright coming back and larussa retiring. am i not allowed to call a guy a fraud because he blatantly lied?
“do i want to be in saint louis forever? yes, of course.”
that ended up being a blatant lie.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, who gives a shit if we just won the world series?
The only that matters to Pujols is how likely we are to win in the future. And the Angels are at least as good a team as the Cardinals going forward.
How did he blatantly lie? Because he said he wanted to finish his career as a Cardinal? Does that somehow constitute a promise? Maybe he also wanted a new challenge.
Also fraud implies that he owed you something, which is ridiculous.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
we'll agree to disagree.
because i’m going to get nowhere if you’re just going to outright ignore facts to make your point.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
if we factor Pujols out of the equation
I’d say the ‘12 Angels vs the ’12 Cards is fairly even, if not exactly so. I didn’t do any WAR-addition, but eyeballing it, neither side jumps out as looking clearly better.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
oh, i'm sure albert f. pujols did all kinds of statisical analysis, though
which appears to be VEP’s argument
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW I read somewhere or other that he expected to mull it over for a few days
But instead decided the next morning. It was a quick decision for him.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
must've seen the angels 3rd order win percentage from last season
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Angels Stadium of Anaheim is actually more of a pitchers' park than Busch
which I was surprised to see.
That’s going to add fuel to the decline phase narrative….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
I think the point is more that Pujols eyeballed it and thought the Angels had a good shot at winning too
The heavy stats stuff is just for the sake of arguments on here, I would guess.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
i think the money grab narrative is equally valid
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think the argument is that he considered both.
You can make arguments either way for who will win more games, but it’s not like he signed with the Pirates, A’s, or Padres. There were two teams that generally win games, and from there he chose the one that was offering more dollars.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
he didn't have an offer from those teams
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm saying the Angels are a cut above those teams
They’re a team that should win at least a comparable amount of games as the Cards.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
i agree
therefore he went for the money. this doesn’t seem that outlandish to me
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree that he went for money
But he’s not a liar if he felt like the winning part of the equation was neutral between the two. He didn’t sacrifice winning for money, he sacrificed legacy for money.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he's a liar if he said
to paraphrase, “why would you want to leave a place like st louis for only three or four million a year” etc
That's true
But I think the discussion was whether he lied when he said it was about winning, which he did not. I do agree he made it sound like he wanted to stay in StL much more than he actually must have.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
i guess if we're parsing it down
that specifically, no he didn’t explicitly lie, when he says “it’s not about money, it’s about winning.” but he switched teams, when all else is relatively equal to take significantly more money. it’s at best tenuous behavior given his comments
Definitely misleading
It’s unfortunate that that’s standard practice for stars with looming free agencies. I was fooled too.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW he explicitly lied
directly quoted as saying “why would i want to leave st for 3-4 more million a year?”
i mean it was in 2009 and you have to be an idiot to believe what these guys say, but the quote is there
That's what I mean
I don’t that is a particularly strong endorsement from Pujols, especially because it was said in 2009.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Not neccesarily
It’s not like he made a promise to stay in St. Louis, he said, 2 years ago, that it was his preference.
Besides maybe now that he won two WS with the Cardinals he wanted a new challenge – I don’t know who fucking decided that the only important thing a player could do for his legacy is to stay with one team all his life.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
the one difference is...
we’re interpreting words HE SAID at face value. you’re SPECULATING what he might be thinking.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
it's cause they were tugging on his heart
excuse me while I go smash something that totally doesn’t deserve it, BRB
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
heh?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
not to mention divisional considerations
to guarantee ourselves a spot in the playoffs next year, we have to finish ahead of a Fielder-less Brewers team and an aging, increasingly unimpressive Reds team. The Angles still have to beat the Rangers, which they weren’t even close to doing last year.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Also, we're better off longterm because our farm system is better
and we don’t do stupid shit, like signing a 31 year old 1B to 10/260
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 10, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
taking the math bit a little too far, eh?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Right, they were about equal, that's what I'm arguing
Pujols did not go against his statement that he cared more about winning than money. It just turned out that he valued his particular legacy in St. Louis less. And he could have a different legacy in Anaheim. If he finishes his career strong and wins two MVP’s and a world series in the AL, wouldn’t that also be a very impressive legacy to have?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see how that makes sense from Pujols' perspective though
unless you add the money to the equation. If he wins a third ring in LA, of course that helps his legacy as a player. If he wins a third ring in StL? W/o TLR? I don’t see how that could possibly be somehow less than getting one with the new team. See what I mean? And if the teams are more or less equal, then the chances of him getting that third ring are roughly equal in both cities.
The difference was the $$$. I’m not mad at him for that, I think the athletes that are the ones who truly generate all the money for the sport should be paid accordingly, and he clearly deserved to get paid. What I will be extra mad about is if (as we’ve heard whispers about) he says after the fact that DeWitt/Mo disrespected him or lowballed him somehow.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Good points
First off, I’m not arguing that Pujols didn’t go for the money. I’m arguing against the fact that he’s a liar and should be vilified. By and large he stuck to his principles by going to a team with a good shot at winning.
Secondly, I don’t agree that Pujols legacy would necessarily be better if he stayed in St. Louis and won another ring here. Moving the AL and still being the best hitter there would be very impressive as well, and it’s not really up to us to say what Pujols should have done.
So I agree that Pujols went for the money, but that likely wasn’t the only reason, and he didn’t violate his principles.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
I'm fucking angry with Pujols, but I'm trying not to villify him
or to change my expectations on the rest of his career due to sour grapes. (I’m sick wondering about what happens if he passes Aaron and Bonds on the HR list as a fucking Angel….)
Leading up to the signing, I kept asking myself what I thought was too much. 10/300? 5/150? I don’t think I ever felt like I answered that question concretely in my own head. But I guess when it comes down to it, 10/$254M ($0 deferred) (or the ARod contract, essentially) is probably just too damn much and I don’t think that’s hindsight speaking. Or I hope not anyway.
Since that offer was such a relative highball, I’m okay with him just taking the money. If that makes any sense.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
This seems uncalled for.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
I don't actually hate him
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I don't personally like
the idea of trading Miller for Alexei Ramirez. Good player? Definitely. Worth giving up long-term #1-#2 cost-controlled starter? not IMO. too much
i think we should trade miller, garcia, and taveras
for alex rios. he’s still playing baseball, right?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I don't think I could imagine a single one-on-one trade right now involving Shelby that I'd definitely go for.
Bryce Harper or Matt Moore, maybe. Votto, only if there were some distinct sweeteners thrown in. Same with Matt Kemp or Mike Trout.
Arms like that just don’t grow on trees.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 9, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hell yeah
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
the guy only batted .220!
am not being serious
i guess i overvalue cheap, young arms then. i shall have to correct this.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Again, I'd do it in the abstract
but not with the Cardinals as they actually are, with a potent outfield. A trade shouldn’t just get somebody good; it should fill a need.
I should probably have said that I see no need that I’d try to fill by trading Shelby one-for-one.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 9, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
shelby's left arm for harper
and his right arm for trout.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
prepare for blasphemy
I can think of a bunch of MLB guys I’d take straight-up for a pitching prospect who has thrown zero innings above AA.
I can think of a few, in principle
but they play at positions where we have no need. Example: I’d probably make a Shelby for Ryan Zimmerman trade.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 9, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
3B is a tough one because we're all in love with Freese right now.
Rationally, I’d take Zimmerman for Miller and trade Freese while his value is as high as it’s ever likely to get. But then I’d have a sad.
In fact...
(frantically writing letter to Mozeliak re: Shelby/Freese for Zimmerman/Derek Norris)
(mad scientist laughter)
See, that's the thing.
Almost every Shelby-for-X deal I could think of comes with some nasty string attached.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 9, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Allen Craig said this a couple days after his initial knee injury but before diagnosed as a fracture:
Greg and I put in a lot of work to kind of force it to bend through the pain. It was a lot of work but I feel pretty good about where I’m at right now.
Discuss.
As a PT, this continues to haunt my dreams
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 9, 2011 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
give us the worst case scenario
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Absolute worst or return to play worst?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
if you feel charitable, do both
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
absolute worst: death from infection
just like with any surgical procedure. but there is like a .000000000001% chance for that.
worst for return to sport is delayed healing/ hardware failure that requires another operation that probably costs him the season, which is also highly unlikely.
Most likely is normal healing and rehab with return to sport at about early to mid may
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
did you hear that, craigen? you'll be a-okay
just tell your new wife to be careful with the knee
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
yeah. she's gotta be on top for a while.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
IIRC they told him 4-6 months
AC seems to think it’ll be more like March/April rather than May. I hope he’s right.
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
I meant mid March
I was typing that one handed while holding the baby. I think it’ll be closer to the four months than the six months.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
how's the baby doing btw?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
She's doing great
four weeks old tomorrow
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
VEB WINTER MEET-UP DISCUSSION
SIGN PRINCE FIELDER
No. Four weeks old, not four weeks to go. Can't you read?
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Well, at least we still have illiteracy in common.
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well then I hope you're right too
goes without saying that the roster as currently constructed looks miles better with Craig than without
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Cromit
but, you have to assume that Greg had good imaging and information to clear whatever he was doing. You also have to be careful taking what the player says in regards to medical treatments at face value. I’ve had some pretty incriminating things said about my treatments from patients that were simply untrue or misunderstandings of what actually happened.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You don't post links or mention what you're referring to?
I’m totally still lost btw. Is this just some radio guy spitballing, or is this a serious thing that’s about to go down? I need to know so I can panic or ignore accordingly.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Back to Defcon 5
I’d be stunned if Mo did something like that. I think he’s a pretty good GM. Top 15, maybe Top 10. Signing Cuddyer to a 3-year deal would force me to dramatically alter that opinion.
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you said Rollins had already signed a deal to return to the Phils?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
some radio personality said we "should check in on cuddyer
to help fill the void left by pujols".
LAWL
that’s like checking in on tylenol to fill the void left by heroine.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 9, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
bad analogy of the day.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 9, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yea, tylenol seems a lot more useful to me than heroine
Should be acquirable on a cheaper deal too.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
plus tylenol can play second base
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Dec 9, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Signing heroine is probably going to take a long term commitment.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and heroin's regression is a bitch.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 9, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
you are pervasive with the british spelling
i use it for the most part but i can’t find it in myself to say heroine instead of heroin.
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
i actually believe this was a typo on my part
as i do not think
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i should just call it diacetylmorphine
and save myself the trouble of trying to remember whether or not it has the “e” appended.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
or you could call it "smack," or "junk."
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
okay, so hell to the eff no on fielder.
i’m coming around to the idea of beltran, but doubt he will sign for as little as the cardinals would like.
i really like the idea of cespedes, but he is pretty risky.
i would prefer not to make any trades unless something wows mozeliak.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
okay, so hell to the eff no on fielder.
i’m coming around to the idea of beltran, but doubt he will sign for as little as the cardinals would like.
i really like the idea of cespedes, but he is pretty risky.
i would prefer not to make any trades unless something wows mozeliak.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Don't let VEP talk you in circles...
Fielder can rake. We know that. He might be a terrible baserunner and defensive player. I’d go 6/150 if I were a high revenue team.
Sign Roy O
the thing about fielder is that there's nothing special about his defensive and it looks like he may have been dinged on that a bit in his WAR
like he had a lower WAR a year he had a higher wOBA.
the guy has hit 30+ HRs every year but his rookie year and has had a consistently high walk rate. not counting his rookie year, he’s had an OBP of .372 or higher every season, and .395 or higher every season but one. the lowest OPS he posted outside of his rookie year is .879.
but, in any event, we are not a high revenue team.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
If you're talking about 2007 vs. 2011
That’s because the league average wOBA got a lot worse.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
WAT
6y at $25m per? that’s way, way, way too much.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 9, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
this reference makes the whole "wat" thing worth it
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
Kinda makes me angkor
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Would you sign Beltran to a 2 year 26 million dollar deal?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
yeah, probably
i don’t know where i’d stop with him. 2/28 almost sounds reasonable, but then it doesn’t. i still want to pay him 2/24.
Sign Yoennis Céspedes?
No.
Too likely that the health wheels irretrievably come off.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 9, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
It's pretty low risk though
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
The notion of a $26M expenditure being "low-risk"
just … wow.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 9, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well it's only for two years
And we’ll likely have a 110+ million dollar payroll. It’s low risk considering the reward.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I concur with this
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 9, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know
It’s just that seen from any point of view corresponding to most of our realities … wow.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Here's my (probably stupid) plan.
This year:
Sign Furcal for 2 years/ $16 mil
Punto for 1 year/ $2 mil
Coco for 2 years/$14 mil
Extend Yadi for 3 years/$30
This way we don’t overcommit to positions that we can upgrade with better players in the future.
Next year:
After adding money for raises and subtracting money coming off the books with FAs, I think we will have around $40 mil to spend.
Sign Matt Cain to 5 years/$80 mil
Sign BJ Upton to 5 years/$70 mil
Sign Eric Aybar to 3 years/$39 mil
For 2013, that gives you a rotation of Wainwright, Carp, Miller, Garcia, Cain and a lineup of Aybar, Furcal/Wong, Holliday, Craig, Upton, Freese, Yadi, Jay/Crisp with a bench of Jackson, Cruz, M. Carp, etc.
Is that realistic? Probably not as Aybar will probably be resigned by the Angels but a man can dream.
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Go Beltran over Coco...
more upside.
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Dec 9, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But costs more money.
And probably shouldn’t be playing center field anymore.
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does Crisp still have the cocoa puffs thing with his hair?
because that’s worth it
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Crisp hit's some HR and steals bases quite well
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 9, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I know the Angels have a ton of money
But they do have a couple pretty good MI prospects and still would need to resign Kendrick, so its possible they let Aybar walk.
I don’t think Cain is realistic though, seems like the Giants are trying to save the money to resign him and Lincecum.
by mick311 on Dec 9, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, but everyone wants to play for the cardinals.
or so says albert pujols.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's exactly what they shouldn't do
If you can’t afford one great player, you shouldn’t waste that money on a bunch of crappy players.
Go with young guys, their production won’t be much worse and you’ll save a lot of money.
About the only sensible move is extending Yadi (and I doubt he’d only settle for a 3 year deal)
So,
Lets get this right…
Upton, Cain and Aybar are crappy players?
FWAR for 2011
Aybar 4.0
Upton 4.1
Cain 5.2
Pretty sure in terms,of WAR that would place Upton and Aybar within the top 5 in the league at their respective positions. I don’t think anyone considers Cain a “crappy” pitcher.
Oh and by the way, Albert Pujols 2011 fWAR 5.1
by mick311 on Dec 9, 2011 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know what will make me happy
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
i love lance berkman so very much.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I see color commentator in his future if someone isn't afraid of what he might say
He is quite frank. Actually he seems quite intelligent and is very likable what about future manager while we’re at it?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 9, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine our clubhouse could be looser next year
No TLR, no Pujols, Chris Carpenter not giving a fuck (but not afraid to luggage you if you’re out of line, or if he’s been drinking)
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
I thought clubhouse looseness/chemistry looked about right from the vantage point of my red leather recliner this year
Much better than the last few years
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 9, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Berkman to replace Hrabosky!
Lets get this done!
Let's see how he does in 2012 first
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 9, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of al
who does the announcing next year. I might not survive if it’s rick and all nonstop
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
pat?
we got no one else left
but here’s an ingenious idea – let’s ask SMOLTZ
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
This needs to happen.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Berk for player-manager last month
but player-broadcaster would be much better.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Carpenter, upon hearing of the Cardinals' offer to Pujols, followed by the Angels' offer
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
can i get one that says something like
“less fucks could not be given!”
(fewer fucks?)
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
OT: If you were going to create your own blog, what free blogging website would you use?
Is it just tumblr and blogspot, or is there something better? I assume VEBers know this sort of thing. Can I someone help me out?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
i guess it depends on how technically inclined you are
those would be good ones that you don’t have to build yourself. if you want more control, you could try wordpress or jekyll or something
Hmmm... I wouldn't say I'm particularly technical
But I did take a couple of intro CS courses way back when. Where does that leave me?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
i would say go with wordpress
as far as i know you can let it hold your hand if you want or you can have a decent amount of control
blogger
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, I'll probably play with blogger and wordpress and then make a decision.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
I think by tumblr I mean wordpress.
Shows how little I know.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Depends on what your content is
If your goal is to post inane pictures and appeal to teenage girls, get a Tumblr. If you want to write post or whatever, get Wordpress.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
I'm thinking the latter. Which one appeals to girls in their early to mid twenties?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
Sadly, Tumblr also
What are you gonna be posting?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
in theory, my own thoughts on baseball, economics, and whatever else grabs my attention
but in all likelihood, probably nothing after the first month or two. We’ll see.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
you should get a wordpress than, it's pretty versatile
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
A little advice
If you want people to read the blog. It tends to help if you stick to just one subject.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I disagree
Definitely have an angle, but you can cycle around multiple things.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I'll probably try to separate it into two different streams or something.
Btw, how do I get this thing started? Do I have to have a host website going in or something? I’m a bit confused.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just make a Wordpress blog and start writing
Make sure you write well, with some humor. I’ve found several blogs just from googling topics.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I downloaded the Wordpress thing. Now what?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
did you register a blog?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, how do I do that?
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
..
https://en.wordpress.com/signup/
what download thing were you talking about?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, I don't even know.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Huh, i think you can do it all online
Anyway sign up for a blog, pick a good title, decorate it well, etc…
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, this makes way more sense than whatever the hell I was trying to do.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the help!
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
unless you use.... TAGS.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This is what I was thinking.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like you are going to need a fast car
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Wha?
I didn’t get it.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
your subject matter seems unlikely to impress your target audience
I would suggest financing a 1960’s Mustang or Camaro you can get a lot of car for 12,000
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Ah, totally forgot about the girls part of this conversation.
Probably true.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad I drive a 97 corolla.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
and you'll need the cocaine
tape recorder for special music, acapulco shirts….get the hell out of LA for at least 48 hours….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
And ether, lots of ether
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
ah, devil ether
makes you behave like the village drunk in an early Irish novel….
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
haha
http://twentytwowords.com/2011/12/07/the-big-bang-and-evolution-of-life-as-told-on-facebook/
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
ha
primates: opposable thumbs bitchessssss!!!!!!
snails: FML
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
what the heck is this thing i am seeing advertised
by tomsteele on Dec 9, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
more interested in this though
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
B-B-BUT HE'S ALREADY A LEGO!
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 9, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
inception
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 9, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, you can get one for Holliday too.
Also, if only Freese’s ankles were that easy to fix and swap out.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
I'm just pretending it's Fernando Vina
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 9, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Polanco?
Head needs to be bigger.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Olney sold them on making this one.
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Genuflecting HR?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 10, 2011 3:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Two Cardinals fans discussing Pujols on Morning Joe on MSNBC
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
For you #Lazy people
(not from the two guys but random people)I wouldn’t say i was happy, because players are paid too much money
We can take the money and spend elsewhere
Life goes on
Cardinals will be fine without him
(Two guys) MIghty ducks of los angeles anaheim, or whatever they are
How much do you think as a fan should be put on FO: I think they made the best play they could, they got him for 11 years, who knows what will happen.
2nd guy: I thought when they were offering 220 million it would hurt them in 3-4 years. If you’re going to commit 20 percent of your payroll for the next 10 years to one guy, you’re limiting yourself. Exception with pujols but still not a good idea. Here he had a chance to go down as an icon for 22 million a year, but if you have to make 25 million next to the i57 freeway in a made up ballpark, go ahead. He went to a place where you don’t know where that is. He went to Applebees, congratulations.
1st guy: If dee dee pujols auditions for OC housewife, i just want to say, don’t bother.
2nd guy: unintended consequences. Here’s the problem with pujols, he’s not responsible for anyone but himself. they offered you 22, but you wanted 25.
1st guy: it was a little different, the margin between 22 and 25 is a lot of money.
2nd guy: about 15%. I went to the cost of living calculator and found what does 22 million in saint louis costs 35 in CA, congratulations in our blind quest for money, you just gave up 10 million dollars.
and so on. Pretty interesting
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ist guy is big wig for Bravo Network (hence the OC houswives comment)
2nd guy is Executive Producer for the Rachel Maddow Show. They went to high school together in St. Louis.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
i don't believe this unless there's a high school listed......
would've.
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I think they said Kirkwood in the video
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
i think the words clayton came out somewhere in there.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Yes, a high school in Clayton
Don’t think it was claimed.
1st guy has new show on Bravo on Jan. 8 and is trying to get David Freese to appear.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Let me preface this by saying that I'm not trying to be down on St. Louis.
My dad’s from there, and I loved going there every summer when I was a kid.
But the reason the cost of living is higher in other places, is because on average people consider them more desirable places to live. I’m sure the cost of living in Crapsville, LA is really low too, but there’s an obvious tradeoff. The cost of living in SoCal is driven by the fact that lots of people want to live where it’s sunny almost year round and you’re close to the beach, etc. Regardless of whether he made the right decision, it’s not true that Albert “gave up 10 million dollars”.
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..and the state is broke
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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Totally true.
But people still value living there very highly, for whatever reason.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
heh the second guy is funny.
i like the made up ballpark line
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I liked the Applebees line
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Cuddeyer?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/quick-hits-felix-cuddyer-dotel-phillies-punto.html
he still hasnt accepted twins offer
because TLR
For a moment there I thought you forgot an "L" there between the I and the F,
but then I was like “Oh…he really did mean middle infielder.”
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
thinking... have not missed anything.
did I miss anything?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There's a little spot that could use a touch-up to the right of your chin.
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I wonder if Cardinal players know about VEB
I know as a rule, every player says they avoid reading the paper/online stuff because they don’t want it to affect them. But i have a feeling if anyone not named Skip or Theriot visited this site, they’d probably enjoy it.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 8:59 PM EST reply actions
i think VEB frequently has a high opinion of its own hilarity.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not necessarily hilarity I'm talking about
there’s some great breakdowns, plus who doesn’t love gifs of Theriot rolling a ball?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
LMFTFY
i think VEB frequently has an overly high opinion of its own hilarity.
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HAH! Fluid was a term used frequently recently to describe various things, often humorously! So, still funny!
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I can almost guarantee some narcissist Cardinal player googled himself and came upon VEB
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 9, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I would bet multiple players have
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how many cussed out loud
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I hope Stavinoha cried
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'm really excited for MLB 12: The Show
especially this bit:
Ramone Russell, Community Manager: I think it’s our new ball physics. Our programmer ripped out every line of last year’s code and completely re-invented the way the ball acts. It’s a nerd feature, but it adds so much to the game. The baseball gains and loses energy like a real baseball, and if you go into replay, you can count the rotations – that ball is going to spin the way it’s supposed to. This opens up the game because we have bloopers, ricochets off the bases, balls going into no man’s land….it’s much more dynamic and engaging.
"The key feedback we heard involved our presentation and commentary, so that’s our number one focus this year." Russell described a new feature called True Broadcast Presentation, which accurately recreates broadcast camera cuts and other presentation signatures you’d see in a televised MLB broadcast. "We’re trying to blur the lines between baseball simulation on your PS3 and what you’d see on MLB.TV sitting on your couch," Russell explained. "When a batter strikes out, the camera will cut and you will see his face, his anger."
Commentary, which Russell specifically described as the "number one complaint" from last year’s game, is seeing a similarly massive overhaul. "You’ll hear more season-specific commentary, more conversation pieces," Russell explained. "The commentators are going to talk about the MVP race, the Cy Young race, the series that you played in two days before. They’re going to talk about how your pitcher is having an awful year because he’s 5 and 15."
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions
I'm glad last year they finally got Pujols' stance right
and now that won’t mean anything. I hope they screw it up this year :)
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 9, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
MVP Baseball 2005 is the best of the games
But I like The Show’s mode where you are the player.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
Are the Cardinals worse now...
than the day we learned of Wainwright’s injury last Spring?
Sign Roy O
only if Adam hits a snag
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
you take that back
masochist
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
can't, for I have no edit button
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
You could just say "I take it back" like in the real world w/out an edit button
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 10, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
i think thats a hard comparison pitcher
vs position player…and we still have to wait and see if/who they add…
If they played Monday I’d say yes
because TLR
Different times of the year
If we do nothing from now until spring training, probably, but it’s nothing that can’t be fixed during the rest of the offseason.
yes.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
What would you all say to a high schooler who is in love.
My friend insists he is, I don’t believe you necessarily can be when you’re this young. I am also 50% more bitter and disillusioned than the average high schooler though, so he doesn’t believe me.
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by cardinalswsbound on Dec 9, 2011 9:38 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
ask him what he'd do if he knocked 'em up and/or was asked to move out of the house.
and ask for numbers. over the next five years.
that’ll weed out the hormones right quick.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think "love" is a conceit, so he's welcome to believe that.
But I’ll also say that when I thought I was in love as a high schooler, I was wrong, and I think every single one of my friends who thought they were in love as a high schooler would also now say that they were wrong. Whatever he calls his emotion, he should be careful. Very few high school students understand themselves or other people very well (this might be reasonable to say about the general population, but more so for high schoolers).
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there is still a percentage of people... even today
who marry and stay married out of high school. it’s a small percentage, but by and large they are in fact planning ahead and not spending all their time being gooey and hormonal. so I don’t underestimate kids — the definition of love, on the other hand, needs more road-testing than most people are willing to do.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yep, I know. My childhood best friend married his high school girlfriend.
Still, I don’t think he’d say that he was in love with her when he was in high school, now knowing what he does about love.
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Chad Bradford, if I remember my Moneyball correctly, wrote an essay in jr high
saying he’d be a pro ball player and marry his gf. He did both those things, so there you go.
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One of my brothers married the girl he dated all 4 years of HS
and then college. They’ve been married almost 30 years now.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 9, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
One of my friends proposed to his girlfriend the last week of high school
They even went to the same college. He broke up with her two weeks in.
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 9, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
or couch it in sparkly vampire terms
it’s not love until the monster baby tries to kill you.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
start with empathy, kid.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 9, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
don't hurt me, no more
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 9, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
What is love?
What is this longing in our hearts for togetherness? Is it not the sweetest flower? Does not this flower of love have the fragrant aroma of fine, fine diamonds? Does not the wind love the dirt? Is not love not unlike the unlikely not it is unlikened to?
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Nothing. Just let it go.
You’re not going to talk him out of it, and he’ll probably just resent you for trying. Let him enjoy it, and be ready to be there for him because that first break up after being in love is always tough.
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People change when (if?) they go to college, especially if they stay on campus and/or go away for school
Meet different types of people, encounter new ideas, and have new experiences. That stuff can change you significantly. The kid probably won’t listen, but it’s the best that I have right now.
I mean, I started dating my current (who was/is also my first) girlfriend in high school
And we’re still together after 3 and a half years, and we’re going to different colleges in Missouri that are 5 hours away. I’d say it’s love, and I’d also it’s possible to fall in love in high school, but I have seen many of my peers who think they fall in love in high school end up being more wrong than they could have ever imagined.
Basically, he could be in love, but the heart is tempestuous and that’s something he should realize. I also am convinced that love isn’t an immediate thing, but something that is created between two people over time, so it’s also possible that he is just infatuated now and could actually fall in love later at which time he will realize his former attraction was a shadow of what he feels then.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
why are you so determined to prevent him from possibly ruining his life?
it’d be highly entertaining
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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by d-dee on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we could be friends.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
You can say whatever you want,
but the main thing you will be saying is nothing, because no matter what happens it won’t be long before you don’t know this person any more.
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Which VEBer spruced up the Pujols contract spreadsheet?
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That was me.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
il rosso highlighted some of the fields also.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
So, things are settling down finally.
I don’t think I want to watch Albert put on another uniform tomorrow. I’ll probably just read his platitudes later.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 9, 2011 10:01 PM EST reply actions
Barça-Madrid tomorrow. Who's excited?
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by cardinalswsbound on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I think he's bragging about a vacation he's taking.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
OK, can't resist throwing this one out there:
Wanda Jackson & The Continentals – Merry Christmas Baby
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by The Continental on Dec 9, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's just really hard to believe.
I was so okay with this yesterday, but I’m not okay with it today.
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I think he says some things that make sense,
but this is horseshit:
The Cardinals fan is hurt because they know that Pujols still has plenty of joy to give, and as long as he has that joy to give, the Cardinals fan is the one who feels entitled to it, regardless of what Pujols wants.
People just wanted him to stay because they love watching him play baseball, and he left, so they’re sad. If they’re pissed off, well, he sure did lead us on.
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I think he's right though
That we wouldn’t begrudge for leaving if he was 42 and still wanted play. It’s contingent upon how good he is as a player. I guarantee you that Fang wouldn’t be pissed if Pujols left under those circumstances (his argument being that Pujols said in the press he wanted to finish his career here, therefore he was lying).
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, his ability to keep being good is definitely part of it.
I just don’t like the entitled/“we own him” slant.
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See this is a fucking great GM
He did this with Longoria as well. Mo has never even come close to making a move that good, whereas Friedman has made many. Friedman is so far better than everyone else it’s nuts, and it’s not because he’s just a genius, it’s because he recognized undervalued assets. Plenty of sabermetricians (assuming they have the proper management skills) would be able to do what Friedman does. Luhnow seems like a guy who could be as good as Friedman.
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And we thought Pujols was a good value
fangraphs has longoria as being worth 117.1 million so far – and he has only earned 4 million.
From a comment on Tango’s site.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Holy. Fuck.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 9, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
if search frickin worked
i could bring up that Longoria sketch just like that.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Now hang on a minute...
if Longoria had gone year to year he would’ve made $500K in 2008, 2009, and 2010, and probably about, what, $4 million in 2011.
Moore is guaranteed $14 million through year five. That’s a fair chunk. Lincecum went year to year, more or less, and he got $23 million through year five. That’s the upper limit. Moore is not going to be as good as Lincecum, but he’s been guaranteed 2/3rds of Lincecums income without hardly throwing a major league pitch. In return for this he’s given the Rays the right to two seasons at something like $10 million (or maybe more, I don’t know if the details have been released). That might prove to be a significant discount, or he might not be worth it. Who knows if he’ll be any good 15,000 pitches from now.
Sign Roy O
Yeah, that has nothing to do with Longoria's contract, it's just a cool stat
Moore’s contract includes team options though, that cover his last year of Arb, and his first two of FA. That could end up being a big bargain if Moore pans out, and if he doesn’t, they are only out 14 million over 5.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
It amazes me how
People here are fine with players getting screwed over, then cast aside as soon as they hit free agency because they are too old.
Moore will be past his prime by the time he's a free agent next
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
It's bad that I'm fine with him choosing to accept 40 million dollars and then still having time for another good contract?
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No, he's saying we're bad for wanting to lock up young players for less than they are worth
I don’t equate that with screwing over the players though.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Oh. If that makes me bad, I'm bad.
Those poor players are mitigating a ton of risk and making a ton of money.
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Yeah
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
on average right? Prime is an individual thing obviously guys like Doc have a 7-8 year peak?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
yes on average, but few player's primes are past 30
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Dear baseball,
the following sort of thing really shouldn’t be allowed to happen:
@Ken_Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal
This explains it: #Angels’ new 20-year TV deal with Fox, per @BillShaikin, takes them from $50M per year to $150M. Different world. #MLB
so it's true
it really is all FOX’s fault. all of it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Randy Karraker suggested blaming all of this mess on the McCourts
because the Angels wouldnt have gotten this deal had it not been for the Dodgers ownership fiasco, however, had the Dodgers gotten the deal, they wouldve thrown a mega-deal at Pujols too.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
well i mean more universally
in terms of baseball
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who started this shit? the rangers?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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i see now, it is so clear
they rangers signed the september 2010 monster tv deal with fox to take revenge on us for taking the 2011 championship away from them by taking pujols from us
AHA!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
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this all results in cable rates going up for the customer when sign deals like this.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
them or Boston
Boston’s been a part of NESN for a while now.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
so TV contracts/ratings have sunk the Big 12,
cost us Albert, and now put Community on hiatus. Fuck you, TV!
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
actually I'd guess Texas
as in the university
The Cardinals and their fans were privileged to get the best of Pujols. It truly was an honor. And now the Cardinals and their fans don't have to worry about paying for the worst of Pujols.--Miklasz
OT Home Question...
Late last night I noticed a strange smell in my bathroom. I can’t really describe but I’ve smelled it before, it’s either like gas or like something is burning sort of. Then tonight I got back form doing my laundry and my hall light and bathroom light won’t turn on. And most suspiciously there is a sort of thread like substance that looks like wax from a glue gun about the thickness of a spider web coming out of my vent in my bathroom. There is a pile of this stuff with black dots on the ground underneath the vent and blackish-brownish moldy looking stuff on the surface of the vent. Any idea what it is or who I should call to find out?
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Smoke weed
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's Aliens
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by Sir Sci on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you everyone.
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You came to VEB on the wrong night
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently.
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I'd help you if I had any clue what to do
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
And looking back this wins the thread.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
taste it and let me know
If you pass out, you should’ve have tasted it
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 9, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He won't answer.
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He's in San Francisco and I don't know his number.
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Like would this warrant calling the fire department or police?
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I don't think so.
Whatever it is, I’m sure it’ll keep until the landlord’s office opens in the morning, right?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
unless her wires shorted out and there's a fire in the walls, sure.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
See that's what scares me becuase it's sort of an electrical smell and both of those lights won't work.
Even with new bulbs.
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Wouldn't there be smoke if there was already a fire?
And if one starts — smoke detectors. Make sure the batteries are good.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
uh NO?
hi, basic physics, it’s called smoldering.
The energy from the current heats up the surrounding area, causing…you guessed it, a fire. If there’s not much oxygen to feed it, it can smolder for hours before bursting into flames.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Oh I follow you. *facepalm*
Yea, I guess if you want to be proactive about that sort of thing you might want to stop that early.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
didn't you kids have a wholesome childhood of setting things on fire?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It has been a long time.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
He just answered and said to clean the vent cover.
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it bears repeating
that VEB advice should not be used to determine whether or not to call 911
would've.
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Very probably true.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a big believer in crowd-sourcing though.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Theoretically, if my apartment is on fire
Should I call 911?
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How big is the fire?
If you can’t put it out yourself in the next 5-10 seconds, I’d probably call 911.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
What if its the whole?...nah, I got this.
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Just piss on it
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
that's jellyfish stings.
would've.
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I have to light my cigar first
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 9, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
use this as an excuse to hot box
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'll go check BRB
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I don't think so
Probably not a big issue. Unless you feel like looking yourself, wait for your landlord. Maybe something died. You’re description is confusing.
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 9, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well it's confusing to see too.
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Yes, I was thinking of a dead rat or something.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
yes, 'cause the combination of a dead rodent -- which chews on things like insulation
with the combination of damaged electricals isn’t alarming atall.
would've.
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if it's not in the basement we can't fix it
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by d-dee on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for a buncha engineers, they sure do get sparse when their services are needed.
would've.
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roughly when was the place built?
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I dont know.
It is pretty old.
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that could definitely be a concern is there anywhere you could crash for the night?
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Any idea where the fuse / breaker box is?
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by The Continental on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
No.
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Actually I do but it's behind my microwave.
I wouldn’t know what to do if I opened it though and it affects my neighbor’s apartment too.
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just open it up and throw a bunch of switches around
if only for pure entertainment value to see how your neighbor reacts
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
OK.
I hate to be alarmist, but TomCat is right. It sounds like something electrical has gone amiss and it’s hard to tell what might be going on from this side of the Internet.
I’d make sure any of the switches on the lights that don’t work are turned off. Couldn’t hurt to unplug anything from nearby outlets as well.
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by The Continental on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
and please tell your neighbor
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
do you have circuits or fuses?
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They're related to my neighbor's and not labeled well.
So I don’t want to mess it up.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
but are they breakers or fuses?
fuses are round and have glass in the center. Breakers just have something that looks like a light switch. Fuses < breakers.
I’d knock on your neighbor’s door (assuming you’re on decent terms) and tell them what the situation is….you should try to figure out which circuit the BR light is wired to, and shut that off, and see if it makes the smell dissipate. If it does call your landlord tomorrow and mention the words “law” and “suit”.
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They're breakers.
My uncle said there was a tripped breaker.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
that is usually caused by overloading a single circuit
happens often in homes where a panel has been added to old wiring you are safe if the you leave the breaker tripped but someone ought to investigate the source of the drips before you flip it back on
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I'm telling my landlord to come look at it tomorrow.
I think what happened was last night when I had friends over my friend who got really drunk turned the exhaust fan on which I never do because the air that comes from it smells like cigarettes. Also for a couple of months the exhaust fan hasn’t been working if I accidentally turn it on anyway but I assume the motor works but something is just blocking the fan from moving. So probably she turned it on and I didn’t notice and then it never got turned off because she slept int here with the lights on and when I left I just turned off the light switch because I didn’t know that the fan switch was on. So it got really hot in there because the motor of the fan was just going without moving anything and stuff started melting and then tripped the breaker. Because the smell has gotten better since I got home at 10:15 and found the lights not working and there doesn’t appear to be anymore stuff dripping from the vent.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
hmm
if there’s a mechanical obstruction of the fan, try to clear that if you can reach it. Otherwise put some tape or something over the switch so people who don’t know better don’t flip it.
Is it possilbe the melting shit is coming from the fan somehow?
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Possibly.
I can’t take the vent off because it feels like I’m going to tear a hole in the ceiling and I don’t want to get charged for it so I’m going to see if my landlord will do it because then it’s not my fault. My uncle said as long the breaker is tripped I should be fine because there’s no power going to anything there.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
fair enough
if you’re still concerned, I strongly suggest getting your neighbor (tonight) and by process of elimination make certain that anything else on that circuit is unplugged/off. It might take a a little bit, but at least it gives you an excuse to have a beer or two with your neighbor.
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She said she hasn't noticed anything but the marijuana/cigarette smell from the vent.
I’m just going to go to bed and deal with it in the morning.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
this is probably not a bad time to make sure the batteries in yr smoke detector are working
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that will do it
a motor melting down
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
a tripped breaker will cause the entire circuit to go de-energize
so if the stuff coming out of the vent is melting insulation, it’s probably not because of a problem with the breaker. I would still try to figure out which circuit the hall light & BR light are on and kill them.
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I agree there is a decent chance that the fuse has popper or
has flipped as well
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
The things that concern me are the drips, and the blown lights
living in an older building that likely has been retrofitted into apartments means I don’t trust your wiring at all, the cobbled together combination of K&T, NM Cable and Romex with god knows what for fuse or breaker setup means I would want someone to take a look before I slept there.
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The dripping stuff looks and acts like melted plastic.
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When you open the fridge, does it say "ZUUL" in a loud deep voice?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thermoplastic NM cable and thermoplastic NM-B cable both melt around 190 degrees
those were pretty common forms of wiring in the years right before WWII on.
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okay
the smell is more like gas or more like burning plastic? How much of the gooey stuff is there? Are you sure the light bulb is functioning?
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I can't describe the smell very well.
It could be melting plastic because I’ve smelt this smell before but can’t place it and I have smelled melting plastic things before.
The lights work when hooked up to other things. There is a fair amount of the gooey stuff, maybe like two handfuls.
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does it smell like VEP's dorm room?
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by scoot on Dec 10, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just to be safe
you might consider switching off any appliances/lights/etc that you think might be on the same circuit
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i wonder if the insulation of your wiring isn't slowly burning
you can shut the circuit off and take the vent off to see if you can locate where it’s coming from
i’d have that looked at
how much of the brown plack plasticky dripping stuff is there? take a picture of it maybe and show us
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i see you already answered some of that...
you can look into the vent but be very careful opening it
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what kind of vent is it anyway? exhaust hooked up to a fan, ac vent?
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Exhaust.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
it should have a fan, you're probably burning the motor up
this is no joke, your landlord needs to take care of this at once if he doesn’t want the house burnt down
i’d rather overreact and make his ass get out of bed and head over to the house and fix it or make him pay for a 24-hour electrician to come look at it
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And also thank you everyone for helping!
I knew I could count on VEB eventually.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
does someone know who the FA 1B will be in 2013
barring the end of the world, the zombie apocalypse or a 2012 awesome berk
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Eh, my assumption is that Craig or Adams is the 2013 1B if Berk leaves.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
the only ones without options for 2013 are...
Carlos Lee
James Loney
Mike Napoli
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
or...
1. Move Freese to 1B
2. Sign Scott Rolen for 2013
3. ????
4. Profit?
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
you realize scott rolen is not aging backwards, right?
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i mean, we STILL LOVE HIM
but that does go too far.
would've.
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yes
/was joke
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 9, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Brie is hot, but the scene was (intentionally) creepy
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
If Johnny Mo's plan
to remedy the loss of pujols is to sign Beltran, Furcal, and two loogys I’m going to be really, really pissed (it’s really the two loogys part that drives me nuts). I want a big name. A giant, huge, big fucking name. I wholly support the decision to let alby walk. I love tony leaving. It gave me a chance to get over the Rasmus ordeal. If I see J.C. F Romero signed, I want it as a sidebar to a 5/6 year deal for Fielder (and I’m still a little shocked I want Fielder, but I do now dammit).
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so, basically you just want to sign someone for the sake of signing someone?
probably a solid strategy
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not what I said at all
I’d rather sign an actual impact player than a bunch of role players for a year or two. Give me Furcal for 2 years and Fielder for 5/6. The payroll space is there.
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why would fielder accept only 5 or 6 years?
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Because that's what the market seems to be
at the moment. If the cards jump on it and “make him an offer he can’t refuse” it’d be dandy.
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how does the market seem to be like that?
the only comparable player just signed a contract for 10/254 and fielder is 5 years younger.
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
What team would even offer Fielder more than 7 years?
Offer him a higher AAV. Fewer years.
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Pretty sure the Cardinals tried that.
Did not work. Seems like players are much more risk averse than that.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Pujols had a ten year deal on the table
for the third largest contract ever. Fielder won’t get close to that. I think he’d be lucky to get more than 7 years.
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Depends on how much he wants for the total contract value
I won’t be surprised to see him get 8/160 or something. He could sign 6/130 too, but I wouldn’t rule out something longer.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
i think your seriously underestimating the market for fielder
he’s the last slugger on the market, hes 27, boras, teams always need/want power.
are the marlins done looking for a 1b?
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Nope.
They’re in on Prince last I heard.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
I thought I read somewhere
that they were less interested in fielder because he wouldn’t draw the latin audience as well…which I thought was kind of silly. Think it was on MLBTR
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Obvs he wasnt their first choice
but they’re still in discussions to sign him.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
i don't know which team will sign him
but he’s going to get paid. boras isn’t going to settle for a 5-year deal for his 27-year-old slugger. it’s just not realistic
by prophetjohn on Dec 10, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
you need to make a case why we actually need Fielder
with Berkman under contract for next year, and Allen Craig.
Fielder is a Boras client. You know that, right?
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Please troll elsewhere
It’s rough to follow a thread with irrelevant comments floating around.
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have you?
you’re outraged and making irate demands of the front office.
It’s ok, I think all of us are a little irrational at the moment, but I don’t want the FO to do something stupid for the sake of PR.
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by nota bene on Dec 10, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not outraged.
I’m thrilled that the redbirds didn’t sign him to that contract. I think it’d be a good move and allow the cards to acquire other pieces that could help the team.
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Fielder would be an awful move
what did VEP say, 7/170 or something like that? (Roughly the Holliday contract.) I think that’s about right. Between the Marlins, Cubs, and Rangers (and maybe even the Phillies, because Ruben Amaro) and the fact that he’s a Boras client, he’s going to get some coin.
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I said sign fielder to 5/6 years
7 would be too much imho. I doubt he’d get Texiera $$$.
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Texeira is a perfect comp for Prince
and the market has been much stupider since Tex signed.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
The yankees were competing with other large market
teams for Tex. There doesn’t seem to be a ton of interest out there for him. I’m curious to see how the market shapes up for him now that Pujols signed, since I’d imagine Trumbo is available and Morales will probably be non tendered. There are a ton of 1bs on the market right now, and while prince may be the top guy, there are plenty of other options. It’s a great buyers market for a 1b.
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I disagree that there are a ton of 1b on the market
in fact one of the main appeals of prince is he is the ONLY viable 1b for not only this but next year as well in FA.
This years 1b FA
First basemen
Russell Branyan (36)
Jorge Cantu (30)
Michael Cuddyer (33) – Type A, offered arbitration, will not cost signing team a draft pick
Prince Fielder (28) – Type A, offered arbitration
Ross Gload (36)
Brad Hawpe (33)
Dan Johnson (32)
Casey Kotchman (29)
Derrek Lee (36) – Type B, offered arbitration
Xavier Nady (33)
Carlos Pena (34) – Type B, offered arbitration
Include the trade market as well
Guys like Morrison, Alonso, Trumbo, Davis, Barton are also supposed to be or probably available. That’s off the top of my head. I’m sure there are more.
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why do you doubt that?
he’s going to get a %age of what Pujols just got. Boras is guaranteed to get him either a whole bunch of years or some really sick AAV.
I don’t see the need for a shit hot FA 1B signing if it’s not Pujols. I mean, we have Lance F. Berkman. Remember him? The guy who put up a .959 career OPS with Houston? We’ve got him for $12M next season. What the hell does Fielder do with Berkman and Craig already on the team?
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that's enough now
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Okey doke...
I’d trade Craig, Jay, and a reliever or two to tampa for Upton or (lesser package) Wade Davis. Throw Berk in RF again.
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yeah, Craig and Jay have lots of value
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
trade value that is
and I’m being sarcastic.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I'd think the rays would be
highly interested in four cost controlled players that would all play significant roles on their team, and they’d be dealing from their strength, as would we.
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umm, what? what kind of value are you expecting
Going forward from upton? I would not expect a ton, and jay and craig have a fair amount of value and are league min.
That sounds like a terrible trade.
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by tom s. on Dec 10, 2011 1:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
ok. you do realize you'd be trading jon jay who is
Practically indistinguishable, except maybe being worth a half a win to a win on defense less (depending on whether you think upton’s defense is declining)? Upton’s career wOBA – .339; jay – .336.
I think the upgrade is terribly small from jay to upton to do that trade.
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by tom s. on Dec 10, 2011 2:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We could just sign Beltran
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 10, 2011 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pujols is not comparable to Fielder
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
who's the better defensive 1b between fielder and berk?
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Fielder has a career -6.4 UZR/150 there
Berk had a 2.3 career UZR/150. Berk’s older, but I don’t think first baseman’s defense ages all too much.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet that Berk > Fielder in RF.....
maybe even >>
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I'd go as far as saying
>>>>> assuming fielder didn’t eat berk
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by Dttl89 on Dec 10, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In Soviet Russia,
YOU eat Fielder!
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by monkeysareblue on Dec 10, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, Beltran is a role player
Fielder isn’t best for our long term plans. It would be better to wait until there is a good SS or 2B in free agency. Like next year.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
fuck giant huge big fucking names
the one guy that would really be a good fit in Pujols’ absence (Reyes) is off the market. I don’t see that there’s anybody available (other than Beltran & Furcal) that are worth it. Signing a Big Fucking Name for its own sake sounds exactly like what the Cubs would do, and it sounds 180 degrees contrary to the DeWitt/Mozeliak style.
Between Craig & Berkman, 1B, believe it or not, is not a hole for the ‘12 Cards. The problem is 1) SS/2B, 2) a RH CF, and 3) one more LH reliever, in that order. There is no reason for them to just splash a bunch of money around on a Proven Vet’ran just because.
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I don't think it would have to be a RH CF, just a more legitimate one that Jay.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Jay's fine
the problem is you have to go all the way to Tommy Pham before you find somebody other than Schumaker or Greene who can back Jay up. JJ could probably stand to be platooned at least occasionally anyway, so why not get a RH?
I was bummed when Torres signed w/ the Mets.
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well shit
I missed that, for some reason I thought he was a FA. Anyway, I thought he would have been a great fit, even if he wasn’t going to get ESPN all excited.
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If they hadn't traded him I think the plan was to nontender
thus the confusion.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
didn't he break a foot or sth last season?
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He's not really that great
Entering his age 33 or 34 season. His biggest asset is his speed, but he doesn’t use it all that well.
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or Chambers, I guess
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he's a pending free agent and maybe 1.5 WAR upgrade over jay
that’s worth jay, craig and two bullpen arms to you?
a #5 starter when we have a full rotation
or 1.5 WAR for a guy de $10MM us a good return jay (2-3 WAR), craig (3-4 WAR) and 2 bullpen arms (2-ish WAR), who will all cost less than upton combined?
are you sure?
I think you're overvaluing both craig and jay
Plus, if upton leaves, I would assume he’d net a couple draft picks. Davis is cost controlled and definitely not a #5. He’s probably a #3 in the NL, and he’s got a great contract through 2017.
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davis' last 3 years, respectively
0.9, 0.6, 1.1 WAR. he’s a #5 at best. we’re better of with lohse or westbrook
and i guess you can think that i’m overvaluing craig an jay, but i’ve provided numbers for why they’re more valuable than upton, which you’ve yet to refute
jesus
that’s seriously not really any better than WB.
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Sorry, responding to a lot of comments
I thought this might stir up the beehive. Wade davis only had six starts his first season, and they’ve been careful with his innings the past two seasons. As I’m sure you know, they’re very careful with their young starters. He’s get a great Friedmanesque contract. He’s gotten into trouble with walks in the bigs, but that rate is decreasing. He’s got far more upside than either Lohse or Westy (who will both be gone after next year if I’m not mistaken).
I’ll get to upton in a second
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he pitched 180 innings last year and could not break 1 WAR
even if he had upside, we don’t need him. he’s blocked by westbrook an lohse. next season, he;ll be blocked by two of miller, rzepcsynksi and lynn. the year after that, martinez. then jenkins and rosenthal. etc
there’ no reason to be trading integral players away for crappy young starters
As for Upton
Upton is a 1.5 WAR upgrade over Jay. He’s much better defensively. Allen Craig is a very replaceable player, and the Rays need a 1b.
I’d say Wade’s stats are slightly deflated since he’s in the AL east, and I could easily see him putting up at least a few 3.50 era seasons in the central. The odds are against Martinez, Jenkins, and Rosenthal all making it to the rotation in STL, and I’d imagine at least one of Martinez or Jenkins will end up at the back end of the bullpen. Davis is a more known commodity.
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Christ no.
Allen Craig is worth more than Upton straight up. He is our second best hitter and our incumbent 1B after 2012.
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I was wondering about that
after 2012, who’s next in line for 1B? what if Craig takes the RF spot and runs with it?
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by EinFesteBusch on Dec 10, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
adams is also a contender
but adams flames out, moving craig to 1B and signing an OF seems like the best move
RF is probably easier to pick up in free agency-
Ethier and others will be out there.
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Ethier is interesting
I don’t know if he’d be a good fit, or if he’d be worth the necessary $, but Mo would have to at least check on him
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Would you crack an egg of knowledge on my head?
I’m curious to hear your argument.
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I basically already stated my argument:
Upton is on the verge of free agency, is expensive, and is only a 4 WAR player.
Craig is arguably a 4 (3-4) WAR player who is cheaper and will be with us for five times as long as Upton would. Craig is one of our most valuable assets and definitely one of our most valuable non-pitchers.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
A 1b/RF is much easier
to replace than a CF. Craig’s also got that SSS tag attached and that .344 BABIP is bound to regress. Why wouldn’t we be able to sign upton to an extension?
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No, a 4 WAR player is equally difficult to replace no batter the position
Craig was 2.6 WAR in 219 PA last year. His BABIP could regress all the way back to .300 and he would still have been a 3-4 WAR player. His minor league numbers back that up as well.
Why would sign a guy to a lucrative extension when we have another guy who’s slightly worse and cheap?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
So you're saying that
a 4 WAR CF is equally as difficult to sign/trade for as a 4 WAR 1b? Or are you saying that 4 WAR difficult to replace in general?
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yeah that's what I'm saying
I’m sure it’s a little by easier for some positions than others, but by and large it’s the same.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think
were going to disagree on this one. Positional scarcity and whatnot is my position. More in demand, thus 4 WAR CF is more valuable thus more difficult to sign/trade for than a 4 WAR 1b.
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FTR, 4 WAR should be valued as 4 WAR regardless of position.
And I just flipped through the last couple years at Fangraphs — there were far more 4+ WAR CFs than 1B across both leagues. Dunno if that’s a two year fluke, or if it’s because some 1Bmen are DHs in the AL, or something else, but there it is.
And I don’t think you’re looking at this properly. Replacement level is much higher for 1B. If you can hit at all and play a decent CF, it’s not hard to be a 4 WAR guy. Example: BJ Upton was a 4 fWAR CF last year. Mark Teixeira was a 4 fWAR 1B.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
Basically, WAR adjusts for positional scarcity.
You don’t need to adjust again.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
positional scarcity is factored into WAR
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
If you're going to trade for somebody trade for McCutchen.
At least he’s got cost-controlled years left.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
He'd take way more than upton
I think they’d want to start that conversation with Miller. Pass.
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i'm curiuos if mccutch would make a good ss
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2011: Boog would've count 78
I don't think Mo is looking for two loogys
Scrabble is under control for a number of years still. He’s just looking for one more guy.
Also, how is Carlos Beltran not a big name?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
he is
just not a “giant, huge, big fucking name.”
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
but clearly it's a terrible strategy to throw hundreds of millions
at a big name just because we happened to lose a big name
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
What qualifies as a "giant, huge, big fucking name"? Grudzielanek?
Or is this a Prince Fielder is fat joke?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Wong and Cox.
We’re all set!
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 10, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
we're never going to get to hear a Wong to Cox to Pujols double play call
I has a sad
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How about Wong to Cox to Fat Elvis?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 10, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Because he's an aging OF
He’s not someone I’d want roving around center every day.
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That's a different argument than whether or not he has a big enough name.
It’s actually a much better point — that’s what you should have said. (Not that I agree)
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I figured it was implied
people on VEB and pretty educated. I apologize for the confusion, and you’re right, I should’ve made that more clear.
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There are lots of reasons to dislike a guy though
Injuries may be a common one for Beltran, but he’s also in his mid thirties, and due to regress from last year’s mark (his BABIP was 20 points above his career average last season). Or you could have thought that he’ll be too expensive.
Anyway, I think Beltran will be fine if the Cards sign off on his medical reports. He was never an iron man but he played in 140+ games every season from 2001-2008. Aside from these recent knee issues, he hasn’t had any season threatening injuries. With Jay, Craig, and Berk around the team won’t need him to start 160 games anyway.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Considering that we have a groundball pitching staff and overall philosophy
I’m fairly certain you could get by with him out there, especially with his bat.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
OT, outdated question
But to the ’Ye fans here, which was your favorite G.O.O.D. Friday song from before the MBDTF release, not including those that ended up on the album?
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 10, 2011 12:51 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
so after scrolling through the thread
it seemed like clemsongirl was having serious issues, has there been an update?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
I should be fine until tomorrow.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
by the way
I was not aware of this, but in looking up the Angels’ park factor upthread, I realized the following:
The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim play in Angel Stadium of Anaheim.
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the most redundant sentence in existence.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well holy shit
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2011: Boog would've count 78
I think I'm going to start adding "of Anaheim" to sentences randomly now
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I think that's a good idea of Anaheim.
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by monkeysareblue on Dec 10, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm psyched that next year's ASG is going to be in Kansas City of Anaheim
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Hot chocolate with Baileys, it's just not fair
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ice cream with denial, it's just not right
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
huh?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
i don't really know what i was trying to say there.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Post-Pujols stress reliever:
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 10, 2011 1:12 AM EST reply actions
OT...so over the last couple of weeks I have been working a ton
12-15 hour days 5-6 days a week. Which really isn’t much of a problem, it is what it is. You would think I would get a little compasion from my roommate right? false. Last night his girlfriend and friend decided to come crashing in around 3 AM after going out. I had to be up at 6 AM. After taking an hour to fall asleep, I wake up to go to work only to find said friend (a stranger to me) yelling at my cat to shut the fuck up. Well I just got home about an hour ago and my roommate and his gf were already asleep. I don’t consider myself a petty person, but I made about as much noise as I could.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
Your cat was speaking to the friend?
I would be filming that not yelling at it to be quiet.
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oh, that explains it.
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by tom s. on Dec 10, 2011 1:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you haven't made enough noise until you banged on pots and told them to move the fuck out
btw, does she pay rent?
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2011: Boog would've count 78
how often is she there?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
showers and cooks there too?
laundry too maybe?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
She does Laundry there?
That’s ridiculous.
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then bang pots and tell them to move the fuck out
or split the rent in three
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2011: Boog would've count 78
Don't bang pots
but do that other stuff. Thinking about banging pots hurts my ears.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not banging pots.
I just did normal things louder than they needed to be.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 10, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who holds the lease to the place?
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2011: Boog would've count 78
OOF
Please say she does not live there.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Dude
I keep a fan in my room for the express purpose of drowning out noise when everyone else is active and I wanna sleep.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
It's not something that's ever really a problem with my roommates
If they’re up and loud, I usually am too
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'm in the same boat
I do the fan thing as well. Or just turn on the ol’ 360. That’s loud enough too.
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I'm with CG - who yells at a cat to shut up?
Cats make noise when they’re hungry or they need to go out or they see a bird. Cats are pretty quiet.
Unless . . . Is your cat spayed or neutered?
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by tom s. on Dec 10, 2011 1:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Someone really hungover
And cats can be loud and whiny when they want something.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Colby is neutered
I guess my feeling is. If you’re going to crash at my place. leave my fucking cat alone.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
if somebody crashed at my place and was mean to my cat
there would be a situation
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If someone was mean to my dog I may punch them.
And then throw them out.
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In all I have an exceptional roommate
His gf has just been getting on my nerves a lot lately.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
Well that's because she lives there but you didn't choose her as a roommate and probably wouldn't have given the choice.
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I need roommates
I get lonely
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
this. sooooooooooo so so much this.
i fucking hate people but need them in my life.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
get dogs
much MUCH better
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2011: Boog would've count 78
cats?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
I've always been partial to Mr. Mistoffolees myself
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
Never was there ever
a cat so clever.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
Often times he is hear upon the roof
when he was curled up by the fire.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
dogs are nicer than roommates.
But they don’t chip in on rent.
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by tom s. on Dec 10, 2011 1:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe yours doesn't
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but a really good dog will get you laid occasionally by charming the hell out of the ladies.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also, a really good dog will protect you
from the psychos that you sometimes accidentally bring home. Dogs are much better at judging character than we are.
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
by SleepyCA on Dec 10, 2011 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is true.
But I think my dog may have been abused by a man before so he’s sketched out by pretty much all men. He warms up eventually, it just takes a long time and usually a push from me.
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This is why I never brought women back to my house
unless I was already pretty sure they weren’t freaks. The couple of friends that have bunked at my house weren’t always that smart. sigh
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
i love dogs.
but they don’t speak english and can’t offer feedback on my girl problems.
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-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
They offer the correct feedback.
Which is a blank stare and then scratching themselves.
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
ha. ha. ha.
"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."
-the red baron
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry but it was just right there.
And their advice is probably about as useful as most of VEB’s advice and usually a lot of advice not from talking to the girl herself.
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I'm proud of you for popping that on off
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
cats > dogs > Fielder> roommates > Tebow
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i'd rec but you ruined it on the cat thing.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 10, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
i'll have to agree
also, you forgot anaheim
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2011: Boog would've count 78
at the front
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
Tebow>Albert Pujols of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 10, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
Dogs are the perfect. They just laze around with you, and are comfortable to lie on.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
I like dogs and cats for different reasons.
I would prefer a dog, but my life doesn’t suit taking care of a dog.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
You would crush my dog if you laid on him.
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yeah i really only like biggish dogs
the small ones are just kind of annoying (no offense to yours).
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
My buddy had an English mastif
If that thing wanted to smell your crotch, it smelt your crotch
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha, I hear that
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Labs
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
He doesn't bark a lot so he's not as annoying.
And I like bigger dogs too but a big dog on my apartment would be a terrible plan. Also he is hilarious.
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i would like to see a picture
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Here:
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 10, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what kind of dog is that?
it looks like a fox
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He's a Pomeranian mix.
But this picture: 
looks just like him and that’s a Black Fox kit. So I call him Small Fox a lot.
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what's his name?
(please tell me you called him “killer”)
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2011: Boog would've count 78
Sam.
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Sam? That's a person's name!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrK00l5xXBk
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
The shelter had named him Todd which was a terrible name for a dog.
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whatevs I'm naming my next dog Todd
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions
2 or 3 siberian huskies, if I move somewhere cold
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
maybe just go to the shelter
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
shelter named my dog "Q-Tip".
Seriously.
He was left on their doorstep with a broken leg, and was incredibly neurotic when I got him (not sure if it was due to the previous abuse, which led to the leg, or the name they gave him), but either way, we got over that, and now he’s amazing.
(FWIW, I renamed him Whimpy)
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Q-Tip is a cute dog name.
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wow that's cool
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
what is it? he's really cute
and so compact
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2011: Boog would've count 78
I wonder if ClemsonGirl realizes
after the last few days we could probably figure out exactly who she is already… i mean other than asking Aranathor
would've.
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by Yadi2Second on Dec 10, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not afraid of any of you.
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Rank dogs!
Husky>Golden Retriever>German Shepard>other dogs
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
We love our pit bull.
Not for everyone, but they’re usually great with kids and people in general. High-energy breed, of course.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 10, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
I've only met one pit bull that was mean
(worked in a pet store in college) I met tons of other mean fucking dogs.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
Pit bulls are great too
and my dad’s Golden would go for hours, even when he was getting older and just before he died.
about 6 months before he died, one of his front legs was amputated and just two weeks later he was up on his own and even chased tennis balls across the yard
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
I pretty much agree with this
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Huskies are the shit
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
In two years are you going to completely do a 180 and pronounce you love cats?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
no way, i dislike cats very much
they freak out too much. i like my pets lazy.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
didn't pujols tell us he loved being a cardinal
and a few million a year wasn’t worth leaving?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
yeah, but he said it too the press
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
I guess that's true
everytime I hear bernie speak, I get the inherent need to lie.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
You like your pets lazy, but you hate cats?
They don’t call ’em dognaps man.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
cats get freaked out easily though
and they aren’t comfortable.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
that all depends
if cats get passed around from owner to owner, or if they get ignored and stuck inside the house with nothing to do, they’ll get neurotic. Neutered cats that are taken care of are almost as a rule as personable as can be IME.
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No, I suppose the sort of cats you'd want as pets aren't comfortable to lie on.
That’s true. But while cats do jump up and scurry away if you sufficiently startle them, I’ve never seen a cat bark it’s freaking head off for no reason whatsoever. Personally, I love both, but I hate it when my roommate’s dog barks every time it smells or hears someone walk by our apartment.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
this is your free alarm system
be glad
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
it can't be a pet and a real alarm system at the same time IMHO
your pet will give > 99% false alarms….
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This
Roommate’s darn dog just scares the shit out of me when she does that. I’m trying to watch TV over here!
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, dogs can be annoying also
But there are some great dogs that rarely bark and just like to sit around all day.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
of anaheim
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I don't like yippy little dogs either
One day when my dad’s Golden was still alive, I got an angry call from our neighbor saying that he had picked up her yippy little thing by the neck after it had barked at him and shook it, like he thought it was a loud squirrel or mole or something. He had to be tied up after that.
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
My dog was attacked like that by a chocolate lab.
It was the most terrifying experience of my life.
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That sucks
I had a chocolate lab when I was younger. I can’t imagine her attacking anything.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
cause they think they're playing
but labs thankfully have a soft bite
a pitbull or a doberman is not as kind
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2011: Boog would've count 78
She broke skin.
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Right, my dog did that too
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
He had killed squirrels and moles before when he could get them, but never anything like that
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think the other hunting dog saw something small and was like a creature for me to chase!
And he got worked up so she did too.
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another dog would've probably killed him
which shouldn’t say the owner is not at fault for not teaching the dog not to react to other dogs. i’m guilty of that too but mine are always on a prong collar in public because my choc lab reverts back to a dumb pup and becomes unaware of his dimensions every time he sees another dog
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2011: Boog would've count 78
They were on a double leash and she couldn't hold on to both of them.
I didn’t even notice she broke skin until a little while after because he wasn’t bleeding but I noticed some scabbed over skin a few days later. He’s really furry on his neck so it’s hard to feel his skin really well. The vet didn’t even notice.
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well i'm glad he's fine
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
The ownersaid that dog had never attacked any other dog until that day.
But they had another rescue hunting dog that they thought would have been the one to attack. I think it was more of a gang attack thing and the chocolate lab just got there first.
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He would go after Dobermans that threatened him or strays
and really anything that moved, but that was the only time he attacked a small dog, and I didn’t even see it
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
I've never had a dog
But if I did, I think I’d like to get a Boxer. Thoughts?
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
When I was young a friend had a couple of them.
they were friendly but crazy as shit. I have no idea if this hold true for the breed though.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
The one boxer I've known was pretty crazy.
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the one i know is like a sleeping pill
you have to meet the dog couple times to know what it’ll be like
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2011: Boog would've count 78
Good friendly dogs, but they aren't inside dogs
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
Our boxer was great, but you need to get them exercise as much as possible.
They’re also susceptible to a bunch of unfortunate things like cancer and hip dysplasia.
Wonderful dogs, though.
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by The Continental on Dec 10, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
my dogs > RR's Digger > all your dogs > all other dogs
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2011: Boog would've count 78
easy enough
Blue heelers>australian sheperd>border collies>corgis>Great Pyrnees>all other dogs
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
I actually had a
Blue heeler/Australian Shepard mix, growing up. She was awesome. Would carry rocks around in her mouth the size of dinner plates, could play soccer, actually broke a window once in my house playing soccer outside (she’d chase the ball around, nosing it, and if it bounced at all she’d duck under it and launch it into the air).
Most endearing feature was that she could run up and tackle you from behind by wrapping her front legs around yours as you ran.
She was hit by cars at least 4 times, on a 2-lane highway with a 55 mph speed limit, and was struck by lightning while chained to a 100 meter wire runner thingy outside, and somehow still lived to be almost 15 years old.
Not as cool as Whimpy, though.
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
That dog sounds phenomenal.
I’ve had heelers for many years and my brother has an Aussie and some of my friends have BC’s. I love all three of them. They are just excellent dogs. It takes a fairly dedicated owner to deal with them though. High energy dogs usually do.
I had one dog that used to love to chase bubbles. If you bought a bottle of bubbles, she was entertained for hours. She was also my best frisbee dog.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
are we agreed that yappy dogs aren't really dogs, then?
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
yes
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 4:22 AM EST up reply actions
my three year old really likes a Beck-Emmylou Harris
Cover of Gram Parson’s “Sin City.” She hopped in the car and said, ‘I wanna hear the "this old earthquake’s gonna leave me in the poorhouse" song.’ She sang the whole song along with the CD.
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And ready for battle.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason
by The Continental on Dec 10, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
A challenger has appeared!
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
fuck
the only beagle I have ever liked was snoopy. bellowing fucking things, and I love dogs.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty meh on beagles too
Girls seem to love them though
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
get a border collie
talk about cool, impressive dogs.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 10, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
Collies are a favorite
I like hard working, smart, friendly but not too friendly dogs. Like me, I guess.
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 10, 2011 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
he's trying too hard
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
+5 to defense
-8 to agility
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 10, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, although the chain-mail is pretty risky
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
I love him.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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who doesn't?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
VEP
What are your thoughts on Cody Ross ?
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 10, 2011 3:00 AM EST reply actions
Lets see
He’s got a career .337 wOBA, and about the same over the past 3 years. He’s probably a bit below average in center defensively (probably as good as Jay). And he’ll be 32 next year.
He’s a good player, probably 2.5 WAR over a full season, and he can almost certainly be had on a cheap 1 year deal. He would be my second choice if we can’t sign Beltran to a good deal. Followed Coco Crisp.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I know Mo said free agents are preferable to trades, but I’d sure want to inquire about Hanley. Might come cheap in terms of prospects if Cards take on the full 46.5M over the next 3 years of a disgruntled player.
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 10, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe, how much would you be willing to trade for him?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
Beats me
I guess you trade from strength. Strength is right handed relievers and the farm – specifically young pitching. Salas and Martinez or Jenkins ? Start there and see what the fish want.
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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 10, 2011 3:43 AM EST up reply actions
not a bad platoon with Jay though
Career 135 wRC+ against LHP can play anywhere
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yeah, he's definitely my second choice behind Beltran
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 10, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
if you rearrange his name, he can clearly hit Roy Halladay
would've.
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