Albert Pujols; Albert Pujols and the Cardinals
by DanUpBaby on Dec 8, 2011 2:16 PM EST
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PrintI don't blame Albert Pujols for wanting a contract that said he was Albert Pujols; it's been clear all along that he's the kind of guy who is driven by nebulous ideas of respect and disrespect—a Tony La Russa player from the moment La Russa declared him the best he'd ever managed—and the Los Angeles Angels offered him more Respect Units, and a team that is a reasonable facsimile of a contending one, with players that used to be contending players, and that was that.
I don't blame the Cardinals, either, though I'm still a little mystified by the choices they ended up making; the Cardinals have drawn millions with successful teams before Pujols and they will after Pujols, and coming off a World Championship, with the NBA-wide turn on LeBron James still fresh in national sportswriters' Narrative Generators, this was the perfect moment to not resign Pujols and still, in 2012, be the best-fans-in-baseball Cardinals. Lance Berkman is popular enough to subvert the Albert Pujols comparisons and old enough not to fall victim to them.
Both parties concerned come out of this non-deal looking better than they might have in other years and with other teams—the Cardinals don't dump Pujols after a losing season and claim rebuilding, and Pujols doesn't dump the Cardinals in favor of Jeffrey Loria, whose final contract offer was, sources report, a hotel-stationary crayon drawing of both of them jumping into enormous piles of Susan B. Anthony dollars.
Both sides made the right move; both sides are in great position to achieve baseball and public-relations success next year. I think both sides made a huge mistake.
Now Albert Pujols is 32 and forced to prove himself again and to do it in Los Angeles, where proving yourself is a matter of constant reassertion of your desire to win, your desire to look like you desire to win, your desire to not piss off Bill Plaschke by failing to be Paul LoDuca again. He's got bad legs and he's past his nominal and observed prime and odds are good that he will be really great instead of really really great, and a really great player that watches his home runs and limps around the bases and makes unbelievably stubborn moves while rounding third base.
If he'd stayed in St. Louis all of that would be swaddled in all of this: Breaking team and MLB records, competing for division championships, the memory of those World Series wins and those accomplishments from his stint, between 2003 and 2009, as maybe the best first baseman who'd ever lived. In Los Angeles, short of a second peak, he won't be that—he won't be Alex Rodriguez, hated even with the Rangers, the master of creepy and noncommittal body language and interviews, but he won't be Albert Pujols either.
Now the Cardinals will have to prove every year that they're competitive. They have one of the most expensive outfielders in baseball on the roster but you won't recognize that from their press; without the easy pull of Pujols as shorthand for a contending team the Cardinals will lack, at least for a while, an obvious identity as World Series contenders.
Having just won the World Series, of course, they have a year or two to establish one. But these Cardinals have thrown off the popular identity that had been handed to them, and this is a team that's thrived, both in the moment and in the constant retellings of its famous history, on teams with identities—the Gashouse Gang, El Birdos, Whiteyball, Mark McGwire and company, MV3 and then just Pujols, alone, the best player in baseball.
The 2012 Cardinals are the 1996 Cardinals—competitive and diffuse, a team apart from what they'd be eventually and what they were before. That weird collective anonymity comes from the Cardinals making a mistake and Pujols making a different mistake, but if there's any consolation to take from this ugly, tangled mess of half-true PR statements and five-year-old interviews it's this: The 1996 Cardinals were fun to watch.
The 2012 Cardinals won't look like any Cardinals team we've seen since 2001, and by April I'll probably be okay with that.
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At first I didn't like the idea of signing Beltran as a backup plan
Mostly because I now see him as a RFer and I don’t want him blocking Craig, once Craig is healthy. But then it dawned on me that when Craig is healthy, you just move Beltran back to CF.
I realize Beltran’s asking price will be a huge sticking point, but I’m starting to warm up to that idea.
You don't really want Beltran or Berkman playing more than 120 games anyway...
there’s room for all three.
Sign Roy O
Yeah, this.
Between Craig’s injury, Jay being maybe-or-maybe-not an everyday caliber player, days off for Berk, the possibility (let’s face it) of Holliday being not that durable anymore, and Beltran himself being a guy who shouldn’t play every day, there are plenty of at-bats for everybody.
Possibly, the biggest problem with attempting to sign Beltran
is the fact of who happens to be his agent….Dan Lozano.
Cardinal’s brass may feel burned by him or burned out with working with him.
According to the reports from Deadspin.
there is photographic proof that he is a cunning linguist.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 8, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but, can he put his money where his mouth is?
wait, on second thought…
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Dec 8, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe tongue in cheek. . . too
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I hope you are right
But I have no doubt there were a bunch of emotions involved, and just because he went to the Angels it doesn’t mean it was a positive experience for the Cardinals brass.
That's a variable, yeah.
I’d hope that Moze & co. are professional enough that it wouldn’t matter, and it doesn’t especially matter how professional Lozano is (i.e. I can’t imagine that he came out of the Pujols process holding anything against the Cards).
i think bdw et al wrote albert off 2 yrs ago
that is why they went to the lengths they did to get holliday
they knew from talking with lozano that it was arod or bust contract-wise
and they could not-should not do that
no way albert is worth 9-10M more than holli next year
i’m kind of relieved he left, ie, the birds did not match or beat the angel contract
TLR is gone, long live the king
Yesterday, MLBTR was saying his market had gone cold,
If we can get a good deal, im all for it, but no way would I give him more than 2 years.
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 2:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm hoping for a 2011 Berkmanesque one-year rider
by dan on Dec 8, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Berk was coming off his worst year
Beltran had his bounce and probably not the dead cat variety
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
If we signed Prince and Beltran
it would make the Pujols stink disappear in a heartbeat.
Think Luhnow has any particular ties to Oquendo?
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Luhnow on Mills: “Brad’s our manager and I’m looking forward to working with him as our manager.”
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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Alright then
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And Mills is under contract for 2012 and 2013.
(Not that keeps Luhnow from making a change, but…)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Correction: 2013 is club option.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
the final pujols dingers
the final dinger at busch and his final dinger as a cardinal
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yes.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
At least Theriot didn't pinch hit for him.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Kerry Robnson still around?
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Someone's picking up what I'm layin' down.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
dan, are you saying the cardinals should have given pujols the $250mm+ contract?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Yeah, I really just don't get the logic.
How is avoiding a huge risk of making a medium market team a non-contender for a decade a mistake? I’m a Cardinals fan, first and foremost. Any individual player comes quite a ways after that.
WWCD? CDGAF.
for what it's worth I find the cardinals' mid-market posturing at least a little unconvincing
it’s more that once you’re in for 10 years and $210 million the extra $4 million a year seems like an odd sticking point, especially given the value pujols had to the cardinals as a franchise as a tool of not just marketing and merchandising but also fanbase goodwill.
I can’t argue it as a good baseball move and I’m also not trying to; people are welcome to disagree but I’m not really interested in disagreeing back.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 8, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I'm with you
I don’t, and have never, thought that the Pujols contract will cripple the team. DeWitt clearly has enough money to fund a 120 million dollar payroll team every ear. An extra 4 million a year isn’t much of anything.
Now this deal is overpaying him pretty significantly in terms of expected production. I estimated around 200-210 million over 10 years, so I’m happy that’s what the Cards offered and it’s a good job by Mo to recognize his proper. But I would have been happier if they had signed Pujols – it’s not my money.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 8, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, I never bought the "crippling" language either, for the same reasons.
HOWEVAH, given the evidence that DeWitt is always going to maintain some sort of budget, baseball-wise I have to think they’ll spend that $25-26MM per year more efficiently now than they would have on Pujols, and that’s a good thing.
My preferred outcome was pay the man and make a 10-year budget exception for it, but, eh.
yeah, that's about how i feel
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Yep. This.
And what DanUp explained in his comment. The difference between $22M per and $26M per is a ROOGY, or maybe a Skip Schumaker-esque middle infielder. Not having a guy like that is not going to make a team a non-contender.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
but that is assuming that a 10-year/220 contract IS reasonable. that kind of contract is still not reasonable.
i mean, purely from a value for performance standpoint. so at some point, there has to be a line to draw, i would think.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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yeah
for all we know, the offer that they gave him was tacking on that just a little bit more already
Meh
Eyeballing, it, I was assuming that the Cards had about a 50/50 chance of getting $220M in value out of Albert on that deal. Maybe 40%. Granted, the last 3-5 years of that deal will range from too expensive to downright ugly, but on a total value basis, $220M isn’t outlandishly high.
For comparison, according to FanGraphs, in his first 11 seasons, Pujols was worth $297.5M (and paid $104M!!).
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 8, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
high score
Not having a guy like that is not going to make a team a non-contender.
triple negative!?
Mid-market is a range.
Yes, the Cardinals’ could have put a payroll up around $120m I would think - but that’s putting in some assumptions to what I mean by “Mid-market”. The Cardinals could up their payroll quite a bit and still not be a top-tier salary team (your $170m$200m teams).
WWCD? CDGAF.
you have to put a space between the dash and the next letter
- a -
or else it will be
a
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fan base goodwill?
What does that mean? You act as if Pujols is the only great Cardinals player. This team is loaded with great players and they would all be going bye bye if they had signed AP to an INSANE 10 year contract. DISAGREE.
Cards fan stuck in Chicago.
Damn it Dan, your last three paragraphs made me want baseball to start again, NOW.
Thanks a lot, because it’s December. Sigh.
Good on ya' DanUp.
I’m witcha boy!
I am fired up to begin writing the next chapter in our storied and historic franchise. Grateful for what has been but even more excited about what is to be.
Go Stan The Man!
Go Wizard!
Go Machine!
Go Cards!
"I mean, the dude lit us up.I would have bet my paycheck that he would not have beat us passing the ball...."
I just get into the other thread...
and there’s another over flow. Something happen today?
Grit != flat out sucking.
maybe for kissing
I could use some Prince…I wouldn’t really call him attractive though…
Something clever...
I like turtles.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
how do you feel about tortoises?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 8, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Better than Ezra?
I want more... More baaaacon!
Jim Gaffigan
by blueinmemphis on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck the Angels
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 8, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Your screen name sucks...
time for vivaelkomatsu
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Dec 8, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
they make construction equipment
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
there's a lot of liveblogging
in the previous thread. and tax information.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
thanks for this yadi
i ll read cause i figure he’d be making less actually but i didnt read it yet
by guillermozeliak on Dec 8, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
so basically in property taxes
he’ll pay 1 mil more over a 10 year period in prop taxes (if he bought a 5mil casa)
he’ll pay 6 mil more over a 10 year period in state income
right?
by guillermozeliak on Dec 8, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Houston has to move to the AL within the next couple of years.
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by TBender on Dec 8, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm already over this whole thing
I went through my stages of grief quickly,
However I am rather annoyed by my non-baseball, non-Cardinals fan “friends” on FB mocking those of who are upset and sad about Albert’s decision.
Sign me!
i'm the same way.
my roommate, who usually likes to needle me about cardinals stuff because he knows i’m a huge fan, has decided to be respectful today which is nice.
on the other hand, seeing a bunch of dickbags talk shit about things that they have no knowledge of is very annoying.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm feeling a lot better now
I honestly felt sick this morning. Now, I’m past it. Just another lesson that ballplayers are not heroes or icons or role models or giants of any moral universe. They are people, swayed by the some passions as other people, and oftentimes that means going after the almighty dollar.
Can’t change that, so might as well accept it, and go back to what I loving what I love: St. Louis Cardinals baseball.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
go back to loving what I love, but whatever
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Where do we go from here?
Try to trade for Hanley?
Try to trade for Drew?
Make a big offer to Fielder?
Stand pat?
I would like to see us hold onto some of that money. After all, in two years we’ll be in the same position with Wainwright, albeit he won’t command $250 million. But we have to upgrade the MI somehow if we’re just going to plug Berkman in at First and play Craig in Right.
And even with the rumors, I can’t see the Marlins going this big in Free Agency and not holding onto Ramirez, unless they’re going to sign Fielder, which they’re not. Same with Stephen Drew, the D’Backs might want to see if he can establish more trade value before they move him.
So how do you improve the team post-Pujols with the market the way it is?
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
Honestly I'm okay with standing pat
We could throw a flyer at Kendry Morales or sign Beltran and that’s probably fine, but I think the FA market is more appealing next year. We’re probably a 87-89 win team right now, yeah?
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Yeah, but it might wait until July.
And I’d be okay with that. I just really hope nothing stupid happens at SS.
they're competitive now, but I don't think they're there yet
beltran would be a nice stopgap if the market accurately prices the risk that he’s done again.
Beltran
Wouldn’t mind seeing Beltran, but I think he’s going to get a three-year deal from somebody. Coming off a .910 OPS, but this will be his age 35 season and how will his health hold up in RF? I almost would rather have a spot open in Right for when Craig comes back.
Furcal has topped 100 games in one of the last four seasons, and his OPS in that season was .711. .687 in 2007, his last full season before that. Have to go back to 2006 to when he was both healthy and effective.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
we so so so so need another bat.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Elaborate
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craig isn't coming back until at least may.
you okay with random RF, descalso, and greene in the same lineup?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno about random RF, but we could a 2 month stopgap if Beltran's price is too high
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To everything else: yeah
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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we could just stick Andrew Brown out there
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
He's in Colorado
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About that...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Hows about Mike Cameron?
with something even vaguely approaching a sensible BABIP last year he was an above-average hitter in his shortened season, and I guess at this stage in his career he’d be happy with a part-time job and a major league contract.
If we’re prepared to spend a little of the Albert bounty, I’d be happy with Coco Crisp as well, though that arguably makes Jay a bit redundant.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
craig could come back as early as march
its really speculative right now
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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well that's how i roll, alright?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Ludwick would make a nice, cheap stopgap
Ditto Jeremy Hermida, or a ton of other 4th OF types.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
...dumb comment about prioritizing offense over defense...
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No we don't...
we led the league in runs scored and we just replaced Albert Pujols with Allen Craig. This puts us behind the Reds and still ahead of everyone else.
Sign Roy O
Allen Craig is injured
Also Berkman ain’t gonna be that good next year.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Craig will probably be back in May...
and Berkman will likely be a bit worse. Molina will also be a bit worse. On the other hand we could do better at 3B (.725 ops in 2011) and SS (.688 ops).
Overall the team is clearly worse offensively but we lead the league in runs scored by 30 runs last year and we were 100 runs better than the average team.
Sign Roy O
yeah, i think we'll be alright
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that's at least a 2 WAR loss
another WAR considering craig is going to miss time.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
2 WAR loss?
That’s at least a 4 WAR loss for next year.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
between pujols and craig
pujols 6 WAR craig 3-4
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
That's the low end of Pujols projection and the high end of Craig's
The median projection between the two would be about 6.5 WAR for Pujols and 2.5 WAR for Craig.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
i'll take your word for it as it helps my original point.
basically we need to replace 5-7 WAR to get to 90 wins. we need another bat.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
though waino will help.
that’s probably half of that right there.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're at about 88 wins right
So yeah, we need to improve a bit. But we don’t neccesarily need to replace Pujols bat – that would be a mistake. We need to get a long term solution at either second base or SS.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
completely agree.
which is why i was pissed when i heard about kelly johnson last night.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
waino back in the rotation fills up some of that WAR loss
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I see
A big year for Holliday hitting 3rd, best year yet with the Cardinals. But I also see Berkman as more of an .880 OPS, 20-25 HR guy next year. Ancient measures, I know.
If Freese/Craig can break out, maybe we’ll be fine standing pat.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
actually, in retrospect now,
maybe the thing that most pisses me off about this situation is that we lost out on a chance at Reyes. That would have been the obvious move now, were he still available.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
yeah, i just had that exact same train of thought now
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
agreed.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Same here
He would have been Plan B.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
should have been plan A
albert signed for 5m/fwar for next year based on 2011
jrey signed for 3m/fwar for only 6 years
there is math, but not much
TLR is gone, long live the king
I dunno about that.
Craig’s projection won’t be as rosy as we all think it probably should be, and at this point, we’re starting a guy who probably projects at 1.5 WAR as a full time CF. We’re replacement level at both middle infield positions by projections. Can Freese, Holliday, and Berkman all stay healthy? Carp’s never thrown 3 straight seasons of 180 IP, can he stay healthy? Will Wainwright be back at knee-buckling strength?
Lots of questions. Lots. I’d peg us as an 84 win team sight unseen (and Wainwright unpitched). I think the interesting thing will be whether the division is any better. I’d expect the Pirates to be better and possibly the Reds, although I wouldn’t be surprised to see them move Votto for value right now, as they don’t seem to think they can sign him when he’s a free agent in two years.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
I don't see
Darvish or Cespedes. For Darvish we’d be paying the posting fee and then negotiating a contract on top of that for an unknown quantity with a full rotation already.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
It hasn't really happened til he says it has
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the first time we see him with the wrong laundry is going to be tough
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
it does if he says
“you know what mang, i always hated St. Louis”.
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 8, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd kind of like this
I’ll always appreciate a good heel turn.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 8, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
it would definitely be fun...
if he pulled a Hogan from Bash at the Beach 1996. He needs to legdrop Fredbird.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 8, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
helluva subthread
good work, gents
"You've got to have poise. You've got to walk away. You're a long snapper!"
B. Kelly
Then
Mozeliak could say “We are in control!” and Cuddyer could come out dressed as the Crow and Mike Shannon could yell “Oh my God, it’s Cuddyer! Good Night Everybody!”
"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.
by Reynolds rapper on Dec 8, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S THE ANGELS!
THE ANGELS ARE THE THIRD TEAM! What the HELL is going on here? WHAT IN THE HELL?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Hopefully he has a thick black beard...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
i totally neglected to take into account how much money pujols will be raking in
from endorsement deals in CA
i wonder if Dee Dee will join the cast of real housewives (if that show still runs)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
I'm watching it right now
I must be really sick
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 8, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I appreciate that your avatar is a red X for me today
I don’t want to see your face right now.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
But he would make a lot of that here.
I guess there’s some stuff he might be more likely to get but the big national product stuff not so much.
LA Market (Combined Statistical Area) is about 6x the size of STL
and approx 48.5% Hispanic/Latino…how long until he has Jersey sales on par with the tops guys in the NBA?
Ryan Ludwick, 4th OFer anyone?
Maybe 1yr/2.5m?
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 2:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
that could work
He could fill in for the Craigen
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 8, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
i was thinking that too, but i'd like someone a little more defensively oriented
i’m hoping for mike cameron
and we won the world series.
Thought thta Luddy was rather good definseively, no?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Key word being "was"
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
well i guess idiotspeak is making a comeback
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how's that?
he’s not good any more. he’s bad any more.
it’s a colloquialism either way, even if one is less common.
he is bad any more ???
seems like a stretch…
he isn’t bad any more works.
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right, because you've only heard it paired with the negative before, and it grates your ears to hear it otherwise.
me, i’ve heard “any more” paired with both the positive and negative, so both sound fine to me.
neither case is good english (all stems from corruptions of “it is no longer…” etc.) that you would use in anything for publication. so i’m not sure why one would be less acceptable than the other.
well I could care less either way but just because you hear it doesn't make it right...
I heard Pujols wanted to be a Cardinal for Life and the final decision would not come down to money
See what I did there?
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My point is that neither is "right."
This is like criticizing somebody for saying they’re “finna do something” rather than that they’re “gonna do something.”
finna and gonna I can see...
I guess it just comes down to what your used to ….
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oh hey guy with irrelevant username
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no way. he's been replacement level since he was traded.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
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2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
i'd be interested in sticking our noses into the beltran bidding.
if not, i think coco crisp seems like a really good fit.
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by tom s. on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
clank would be happy.
ALBERT PUJOLS RESIGNED.
SIGN PRINCE FIELDER
by a fink on Dec 8, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I'll buy one of those ron gant five-game packages
by DanUpBaby on Dec 8, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Not the Donovan Osborne 5-game blowout package?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
you buy the donovan osborne package by the opposing-team-run
depending on who’s pitching those 13 runs might last a while.
Give me the Brian Jordan 10-gamer
Amazing season for that guy.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
lol at the cardinals marketing
worst timing ever
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is absolutely one of the worst days ever...
I had hoped to open up the post online and see Pujols signed.
Imagine my confusion and horror as I tried to understand why it said Pujols had turned his back on St. Louis…
I was like …what does that mean? and then reality struck….
I’m super pissed…mostly because of all the…I wanna stay in St. louis for the rest of my career bullshit that I actually bought….
The best thing I could hope for is that we win the World Series next year…See how that sits with Mr. Pujols.
It’s a business…yeah whatever…
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Now I wish we would have signed Reyes
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yep..
thanks Al for stringing us along…
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were we going to beat the package florida provided? that was pretty exorbitant.
i’m not sure it would have mattered if we’d been in on the bidding.
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I think if we knew we missed on Pujols we would be inclined to spend big somewhere else
And 110 million seems pretty tame comparatively.
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my coping mechanism
2012 Remaining FAs
2013 Projected FA Class
I don’t want to overreact this winter by spending wildly. I see obvious upgrades needed as SS, 2B, CF/RF, Bullpen(left side)
on the 2013 class, these stand out: Josh Hamilton, David Wright, Curtis Granderson, Stephen Drew, Andre Ethier. Cole Hamels, Sean Marshall, and a few useful pitchers are there.
My thoughts are buying a solid MI option this year (Furcal or Rollins are best, but both have obvious concerns of age/injury.) I don’t see much in 2013 unless Drew’s option isn’t picked up. There is much more OF depth next year, and while I’d like to have Beltran if the price is right (doubtful), I’m even more skeptical that he’d go for a one-year deal. Therefore, I’d say you go get one of the SS (Rollins or Furcal), let the contracts expire on Westy/Lohse and possibly Berk, and look at the next class as you look to retool.
I also like the idea of Ludwick on a 1year deal. Passable RH option for CF and stopgap for Craig’s rehab. Then you play the two out of three each day, with Craig spelling Berk at 1B. Lots of ABs there for all of them.
I just hope we approach Yadi and ask him if he wants to stay or go. I’d like to know in advance. My feelings are sensitive.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
I'll mention Josh Willingham again here
2011 was a step back for the guy, but he’s a decent bet for a .350-.360 OBP and .460-.475 SLG.
And thanks for that link because I didn’t realize he would not cost a draft pick.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
No way
.874 home OPS only .750 on the road he is just an Oakland Coliseum Creation
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That's not true
His career splits at other stadiums don’t show that.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
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If we don't sign Beltran, I would love to see us
Make a run at Ethier next season.
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yuck
no thanks. He’s no better than Jay or Craig.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
after looking at that list i kindof want the cards to make a push for prince fielder
1B looks barren
and we won the world series.
I would be happy with Fielder for the right price...
Boras will make sure that won’t happen though..
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my first thought too,
then I thought, what about signing David Wright and putting Freese at 1B?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Between Berkman/Craig/Adams
I think we need to go for Middle Infield help.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
Dave Cameron on Fan Graphs
The Angels are now contenders in 2012, but I don’t know if the present value added for the next year or two is worth the long term consequences of this contract. The Angels are going to need a lot of things to break their way in order for this to work.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/angels-sign-albert-pujols/
yeah this isn't a good deal for them
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is it a good deal for anyone though?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
It would have been good for us, I think
We would have profitted overall when you consider advertizing, etc.
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13th smallest market in baseball, as per MLB
Pujols is well-established for St. Louis fans; him resigning was not going to bring in any additional revenue.
compared to not-re-signing him? I disagree
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Bernie has been talking about
The angels are in the middle of negotiating their tv contract. So they might get that money back right now.
Grit != flat out sucking.
good article Dave
If the Cardinals had signed him to this same deal, I think I probably could have talked myself into it. Pujols is great enough that this kind of contract isn’t totally crazy on its face, but when you look at the context of the Angels situation and how much this actually improves them, I just don’t know that this is how they should have spent $250 million.
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Dewitt III admitted on MLBN that Cards
didn’t try to approach the Angels offer, so we may never know if Cards could have gotten him with a sweetened offer.
I want more... More baaaacon!
Jim Gaffigan
by blueinmemphis on Dec 8, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
that doesn't help...they could have at least asked what if...then turned him down
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Agreed
I want more... More baaaacon!
Jim Gaffigan
by blueinmemphis on Dec 8, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
will robot be mad if I change my avatar?
no longer feel comfy being represented by Pujols and Musial riding in a golfcart together.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
make the change
use the photshop of the Stan note telling Pujols to piss off.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
very much in consideration.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
put Freeser's face over Alberta's
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm at odds...
Curious where everyone else is on these.
Odds Allen Craig IS ready by opening day?
Odds Matt Adams makes the opening day roster?
Odds we trade Westy?
Odds Shelby Miller makes more than 5 starts in 2012…?
Odds Rzep gets spring training chance as a starter?
I’m super anxious about these things, so I’m thinking they all happen…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I'd much rather see Taveras pop up somewhere in the OF or 1B...
maybe in 2013.
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No way he is playing by 2013.
Maybe a 2013 Sept callup at the earliest.
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I already had one dream crushed today do you really have to take another one from me?
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Taveras
Gets traded to Fish for Hanley in January.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
Can you think of any team flush with MLB ready MIF?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Not straight up
Just referring to Taveras part.
It’d be kind of pointless to sign Reyes for SS if you’re just going to trade Hanley, who’s contract is better anyway. Still, assuming they absolutely can’t talk Ramirez into playing 3rd, what could a deal look like?
Obviously they’d push for Miller, but Carlos Martinez & Oscar Taveras are widely recognized top 50 talents. They want to contend now, but moving Hanley would free up more cash for a run at Fielder, too.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
zero zero?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
why would shelby not make more than 5 starts?
craigen won’t be ready for a while
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
he had the surgery a week before thanksgiving
so, November 18th… so March 18th to May 18th?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
opening day 2012
Wednesday, April 4
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
He means ML starts I think, right?
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yup.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Odds
Allen Craig returns late April.
Matt Adams brief stint in June filling in for injured Berkman.
Westbrook stays.
Miller arrives mid-August, makes 8 starts.
Rzepczynski preps as starter in Spring but ends up as LOOGY on OD roster.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
Or
36%
8%
14%
54%
57%
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
i'm going to place the odds in craig's favor that he comes back on or near opening day
he won’t have benefited from a month of ST though. but this is a guy that played hurt for 1/2 the season and the WS. i think he’ll be anxious to get back and take the opportunity he finally has.
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Take note, I'm a super optimist...
75% – I think he bounces back pretty quick.
15% – I think it’ll be tough for Matt to jump AA to Opening day… but hey, it could happen!
33% – I guess this is just wishful thinking, but probably not.
60% – I think we get anxious and bring him up at the end of the season.
30% – I’ve heard MO say it once… so you have to think it is an option.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Not odds, but
Odds Allen Craig IS ready by opening day?
Odds Matt Adams makes the opening day roster?
Odds we trade Westy?
Odds Shelby Miller makes more than 5 starts in 2012…?
Odds Rzep gets spring training chance as a starter?
1) I don’t think he’ll be ready by opening day, but I’m hoping mid-April.
2) I don’t see any chance — he doesn’t have any games played at AAA, right?
3) Would be great… if anyone wants him.
4) Depends on #3, I would think.
5) Odds would probably be low, I would think Lynn might get a chance first. Not that Rzep isn’t good, but we’ll still need a good loogy.
WWCD? CDGAF.
10/5/0/25/25
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'll bite
Odds Allen Craig IS ready by opening day? 10%
Odds Matt Adams makes the opening day roster? 0%
Odds we trade Westy? 5%
Odds Shelby Miller makes more than 5 starts in 2012…? 5%
Odds Rzep gets spring training chance as a starter? 5%
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 8, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Very well written
And you made several points I had not considered.
"I had one of those faces you look at and say, 'Man he's an ass-hole.' Could be, depends on if you pissed me off or not."
-Bob Gibson
have we talked about the rule 5 already? I didn't get the chance to read through the earlier threads
komatsu is a weird pick, he looks too much like jon jay to leave on the roster all year. I’d rather be forced to keep tommy pham up all season.
Crawford Boxes had a short write up on him
I posted it a few threads back
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 8, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I thought you'd be thrilled with our new vaguely-Japanese Skip Schumaker.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 8, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
he walks a ton. other than that, he seems like a good candidate to get sent back midseason.
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Moving on...
I think it might not be a bad idea to take a look at Cuddyer. He’s getting 3 year offers for around 25M. He would be a great utility bat to add. He could start in RF while Craig recovers, spend time at 1st and 3rd keeping Freese and Berkman fresh. In addition he’s played 2nd base. He could get a full seasons worth of ABs playing all 4 corners and 2nd next season. Not to mention be a great insurance policy at all of those positions should an injury occur.
Cuddyer might not be interested in the super utility role for this season, but at the very least I think Mo should kick the tires and see if there is a fit there.
not just util
He could very easily get 500-600 PA, especially if he could play 40-50 games at 2nd base. So, I don’t very him as a utility player, more like an everyday player without a specific position.
typo fix
*view him, not very him. I should read things before i post.
I like cuddyer but his inability to be an average fielder even in the outfield corners kind of worries me
you can put him everywhere, there’s no place you can put him where he’s not a liability in the field. tony la russa would have loved that. (sniff)
totally agree about a larussa player and not a good glove.
Of all the players on the market right now, I view him as the most impact that could be added to this roster without making a trade. My fear is that the FO will react to losing pujols and make a trade that will weaken the system.
I'd prefer Kubel to Cuddyer. Younger and
Prob a little cheaper.
Still a little upset Sizemore is already signed.
Wasn’t LAA the top target for A.Ramirez? What about signing him? What kind of deal is he looking for?
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ugh. cuddyer is totally uninteresting. especially at that price.
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agree
slightly above-average bat and a liability in the field. We could probably pick up a similar player for a lot cheaper.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Albert Pujols was the hero Saint louis deserved, but not the one it needs right now.
I will miss him greatly but we must move on, somehow.
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions
I have no clue what this means
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 8, 2011 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think this works here.
But I admire all Dark Knight references.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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I'm sure someone has brought this up before...
I’m guessing the Astros are pretty paranoid right now. (WHY IS HE ALWAYS FOLLOWING US!!!!)
I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. I still have champagne in my ears.
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You guys wrote 1000 comments and filled up an entire thread during my 3 hour final?
I’m not surprised
dude pujols signed with the Angels
filled up 10 threads the past two days when nothing happened.
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I'm sad about "Albert," but I'm not sad about Albert
We’re losing a great player who could have been an icon, and we’re losing a great person who does amazing charity work, but I’m not losing anyone who was ever my favorite Cardinal, so this is hitting me less hard than I thought.
Someone the other day said that we’ll miss Albert’s intangibles when he leaves. “What intangibles, exactly?” I wondered. His moodiness? Albert seems to have always been a lead-by-example guy, not a central figure in the clubhouse.
I don’t know. I’m just having a hard time being actually SAD about this. I’ll miss the bat. I’ll miss seeing the stance and the puma-like crouch at first base. But I don’t think I’m going to miss Albert. He was often the heart of our order, but not the heart of our franchise.
Farewell, and we’ll see you in interleague play. Now let’s see what we can do with all this available money.
I still think it is a pretty pissy thing to say it's not about the money and that you want to be a lifer like Stan...
then you take the money and tell Stan to step off when he begs you to stay.
not the mang I though he was…
and yes this makes me feel better.
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I never really took that at face value
What we he supposed to say? Of course he’s going to say that.
"It’s always about money. No matter what people say, it’s always about the money."- Lance Berkman, 10/20/2011
well then I guess that last little piece of little kid in me just died...(no I don't eat children)
I really believed him.
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We asked him to give up $20M
It wouldn’t make any sense for him to do that, especially for a baseball player whose career is probably going to end at 40 or so. It’s not like he can keep earning until he’s 60 or something.
i think we asked him to give up more like 30 or 40 million.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
20m
Cost of living taxes etc…
bottom line you shouldn’t claim to want to stay somewhere for life and that it’s not about the money and then take the cash. That is misleading…
We gots played.
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stupid california....I bet flanders would move to so cal...
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We got PR'd, not played
If someone asks you if you want to stay, you say yes. Period. No player has any incentive to alienate their own fanbase by talking about how they might leave if someone offers them insane money.
PR'd is a nice way of saying played...same thing to me...
usually I wouldn’t buy the " wanna be a lifer" but I thought Al was a little different.
That’s all I am saying.
I’ll cool down eventually but right now this really sucks.
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We asked him to give up say $30m out of lifetime earnings of upwards of $300m.
What can $330m buy you that $300m can’t? If he wanted to stay in St Louis, he would’ve done. I don’t think economic sense has anything to do with it. The money is just a way to keep score, and it seems fairly clear it was indeed all about the money.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think he was serious that winning was the most important thing
But the Angels probably have as good a chance as winning as the Cards. So yeah, then money becomes the next measure.
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He just wanted to play with Dan Haren again.
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And FWIW
plenty of guys (e.g. Fielder in Milwaukee) have been fair in their dealings with the press, and gone down the “I’d love to stay but it depends if they make a competitive offer” line, which would (in retrospect) have been a better story for Albert to consistently stick to.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
He'll have made over 500 million dollars when his career is over when you add in endorsements
So longevity seems pretty moot. We don’t have any right to ask him to give up 20 million, but you would hope he would value his legacy and fanbase more than that extra 20 million.
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I feel your frustration man.
If he just didn’t say so much of the things he did, it wouldn’t hurt as much.
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
2/18 for furcal.
yes or no?
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions
in a world where Marc Ellis gets 2/10 to play 2B furc does better than that
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
that would be a significant overpay
but now the cardinals can afford to make it!
I like tyler greene a lot, but I don’t think the cardinals can go in without a near-average backup plan at shortstop, especially if they’re also doing without at second.
I'd rather go with Greene than pay that for Furcal
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That. And they also really need a leadoff hitter.
If we are going to stick with Greene at SS, who bats leadoff? Jay?
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes, jay is a perfectly cromulent leadoff hitter
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Jay vs righties, Molina vs lefties in my world.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
o_o
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molina's got one of the highest OBP and lowest power against righties
that trumps speed. Also, I like “wat” better.
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Also, leading off makes it much harder for him to GIDP.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
I'm reading Halos Heaven right now
They sound ecstatic. I’m curious what they’ll be thinking in 7 years…
god I hate halos heaven
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Yeah pretty much everything from SoCal is insufferable
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including VEP!
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
thanks subtext announcer
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
here to please, babe.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really hate them
but they seem really irrational right now. Very few comments about how this contract could blow up the team in the end. Maybe it’s just because we Cardinals fans have watched Pujols play for 10 years in a row, but they’re shooting down any criticism of the signing without any reasoning.
by hr on Dec 8, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
halos heaven is by far the worst blog on SBN
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They apparently don't realize he will age.
It’s kind of adorable.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
super adorbs
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I've got a good friend who is a pretty rational Angels fan.
this was his reaction when I told him good luck with that contract:
What a bust. Pujols isn’t worth 10 years/250 million for the angels. He’s worth that for the cards. He’d be worth that for the marlins. But only because of his hero status. To quote the great tina Turner, we don’t need another hero.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 8, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That and they are prob already use to it...
They are paying a crap ton of money to shitty, old players already (wells, abreu, hunter). Having all that money tied up didn’t stop them from spending 300+ million on AP and CJ. When Albert’s contract starts getting bad, i’m sure they will go out and spend more.
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
When you've just finished paying Gary Matthews Jr
and you’ve got Vernon Wells on the payroll for the next four years, it’s kinda hard to look at Albert Pujols and think, “wow, that guy’s contract is a real fucking dead weight”.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
WAT
/runstoCOTS
3 more years (’12, ’13, ’14 at $21M per)
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Plus option, lol
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
anyway, my opinion
it’s kind of weird for pujols to not be a cardinal anymore, but i think there is a very significant chance that the contract turns bad for the angels and i’m glad mo/dewitt showed restraint and didn’t go batshit trying to match the angels. farewell, mang
also, go rangers
by prophetjohn on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
couldn't agree more.
I used to love the angels. I now have to hate them sadly.
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Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Surreal sums it all up...
This is just fucking Surreal…
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Hmm....
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I'm disappointed that it didn't blockquote everyone after it...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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STOP!
You’re scaring me with your magical powers!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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5 paragraphs in...
and there’s the Cubs’ reference.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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The first two paragraphs are one sentence a piece and the third is a quote
the fourth is about the Cubs.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I want to know how he got a baseball nation gig
not because he’s a bad writer, but because I want to copy whatever he did.
I want to know how he got a baseball nation gig
because he’s a terrible, myopic writer and there are clearly better options around the SBNation baseball blogs.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
That's a little harsh
He’s a fine writer, despite his allegiance. Obviously I think DanUp is better, mainly b/c we share the same name, but I don’t think Al is undeserving.
by dan on Dec 8, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I respectfully disagree.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
i disrespectfully agree with your disagreement.
his record of fact-checking and making objective arguments is awful.
This may have been mentioned in a seperate thread
I just woke up, pardon me. This is tough news to wake up to! Anyways, do you think the Angels only signed him because they are in the AL? I mean i imagine in 5-6 years he becomes a DH, oh the pain.
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions
I know we're sad and all, but
Stay strong guys. The Cardinals are the greatest team in the history of baseball. – God.
Big man’s showing support
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
Ive spent half the day
Under my desk visibly weeping.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sign Prince Fielder?
Sign Prince Fielder.
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Dec 8, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions
I think he will end up a Marlin
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
friday: marlins announce hanley ramirez has agreed to move to first base
monday: marlins sign prince fielder
by DanUpBaby on Dec 8, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Tuesday: Prince Fielder has agreed to move to Third base
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 8, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wed: Marlins trade for Mark Reynolds
"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.
by Reynolds rapper on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
rofl,lets see it happen!
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
well, this was meant to be a reply to Mr. Weaver. I don't think Loria needs any encouragement.
ALBERT PUJOLS RESIGNED.
SIGN PRINCE FIELDER
that would be a VERY expensive 2-2.5 win upgrade on gaby sanchez.
that said: jeff loria.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
i was eating at lesters and they had mlbn on
Showed some idiotic fan burning a pujols jerseu
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 3:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
let's say yu darvish comes to 5/90 with posting fee (probably optimistic)
do you do it and dump westbrook by the side of the road?
That'd be his ages 26-30 seasons, right?
I’d give it a shot. At the going rate of $5 million per win, I think it’s worth it.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
the posting fee is going to be nuts.
that contract looks right but the posting fee is going to be about 60 million.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
am i the only one who does not know who this darvish person is?
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Japanese Pitcher
I had to look him up…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Is that anything like the kamehameha?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
No.
Japanese pitchers never work out like you hope.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 8, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
because that's been proven
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nomo (similar age and skill level)
ended up throwing 2000 average innings. kuroda’s been great, uehara’s been great (if limited).
kawakami, who I was rooting for, was kind of a bust, as was igawa; matsuzaka’s a weird case, but I’d be willing to call him a bust.
I'd argue the similar skill level qualifier
NPB may be weaker (than in the mid ‘90s) now that its best players are in the MLB but few of those are hitters and what Darvish has done there is historic. Barring career-derailing injuries, he’s likely to wind up the best Japanese pitcher ever. He might lack Nomo’s wild card wind-up, but his actual stuff is much better.
probably. Make Westbrook the long-man if he won't wave his NTC.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 8, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
That's dicey. Maybe.
I’m consoled by my belief that he’ll go higher than that.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a little gunshy after Dice-K
so, no.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would.
However, my judgment is clouded by his Japanese-ness, which I picture as contributing to his pitches glowing and blowing holes through bats foolish enough to be swung. Also, each pitch has a name six words long, every name includes the word ‘ultra’, and each one is accompanied by its own Ginyuu Force styled pose.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 8, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
They even look cool when they're walking 5 per 9.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No way
I would bet Shelby or Martinez has near as much chance as Darvish to be an ace. I think we should definitely spend the Pujols money on a long term 2B or SS.
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Cuddyer "plays" second, so I guess he's an option
not really many options outside of a trade
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how about for next year?
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Kelly Johnson, Brandon Phillips, Howie Kendrick, and Erick Aybar
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Possible the Dbacks might not pick up Drew's 10M option as well.
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johnson accepted arb
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Will be 28 next year
I think this would be a very good use of money. He won’t even be that expensive.
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I know it's a lot of heresay
but rumor has it that Darvish is a big diva.
Remember that snickers commercial when Roseanne Barr gets hit bu that tree trunk because she’s a lumberjack and she yells out “My back hurts”. Heh. That’s funny.
What? No. That didn’t really have anything to do with Darvish being a diva. It was just on TV and I laughed.
Carry on.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
So I got my hair cut today
and i was sitting next to this old lady and had one of the most amazing baseball conversations about Pujols with her.
Summary of what she said:
Pujols isn’t god and there’s life without him
You can’t have a high AAV and years from the Cardinals, they aren’t the yankees
9/200 is stupid for anyone not named Pujols, but in his case it was a generous offer from the cards
Pujols probably felt pressure to be the next Stan Musial and wanted a fresh start
Thankful for everything he has done and wish him the best of luck (just no world series titles)
Excited about our farm system and the prospects that are coming, not to mention the draft.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions
an old lady said "average annual value"?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 8, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be even more shocked
if she said AAV.
by DJ Jazzy Jeff Weaver on Dec 8, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
It was probably a dude
I would’ve demanded proof
she actually said AAV
I was stunned. This woman was pushing 80
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
she has to let that set, first.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you got her number right?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
are you people underestimating the best fans in baseball
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Bernie uses the term quite a bit on the radio.
Maybe she listens to 101. Or is actually il rosso. Have you ever seen them both together?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
or! she cuts someone else's hair who's on VEB
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just hate to see the shows run with the burning of the pujols jersey
that would be like me saying all Rangers fans are classless assholes because of that one guy during the world series
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 3:34 PM EST reply actions
Latest from our 2nd favorite asshat
sorry if nexdef’d I’ve been out for the past few hours:
stljccorcoran jc
LaRussa retirement story correct. Albert story incorrect. I’m 50-50. Still better than most people in this business.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions
And which business is that?
The tweeting things business?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
so....... we only suck one ball?
ohhh i typed it and pressed post, damn.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Get bagwell and Beltran. Bring the Killer B's to saint louis
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions
I want Prince for 5, maybe even 6. I want Beltran for 1, maybe 2.
GET ’EM DONE, MO!
ALBERT PUJOLS RESIGNED.
SIGN PRINCE FIELDER
for how much money, mr. fink?
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
i would be okay with this.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
i am choosing to read your signature as
“albert pujols resigned” as in resign (as in not re-sign).
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
as discussed, I'm not a grammarian, but for gosh sake, people, it's RE-SIGN!
That’s, like, one of a hyphen’s only jobs.
ALBERT PUJOLS RESIGNED.
SIGN PRINCE FIELDER
by a fink on Dec 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why Prince? He's only a couple wins above Craig.
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BECAUSE I HAVE A BOO-BOO, DAMNIT.
Also, I don’t know how long Berk will be around.
ALBERT PUJOLS RESIGNED.
SIGN PRINCE FIELDER
Maybe
Craig has yet to play a full season.
Fielder has been very durable.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 8, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
so a maybe like a 3 win upgrade is worth $20M and a draft pick?
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3 wins per season is a big deal
and we have a draft pick to burn now, so. . .
yeah, I’d say that’s worth it.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 8, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
what? why burn a draft pick just because we have 2 in the first round now?
and my point is that we can find a cheaper option than fielder to make up those 3 wins at another position.
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Furcal, and Beltran probably do that for close to $20M for less years.
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Cards get a supplementary pick for Dotel?
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Yes.
Part of the new CBA rules for the transition between CBAs
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This is not meant to sound as bitter as it might
But maybe Albert was right when he asked people to stop calling him “El Hombre” because “There is only one Man and that is Stan.”
Just a sad day for the city and for Cards fans.
I don't think it's bitter, I think that is true.
Pujols will never be able to measure with Stanislaw in the Cardinals Pantheon of Greatness.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
FWIW I think he's probably 3rd behind Stan and Gibson
Gibson, in his era, was truly transcendental. I think you can argue that, whilst Pujols is the best player of the last 5 years on average, he hasn’t quite defined his position in his era in the way that Gibson did. Just my opinion anyway.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
When baseball changes the field of play,
chiefly due to your performance, yes, you can claim dominance in a way others cannot.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 8, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I more meant in the perception of the general public.
Pujols will now slip behind plenty of others for the time being. As time passes, his incredible run with our team will be judged with proper amazement.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I Put HIm 4th....
…behind Stan, Gibby, and Ozzie, for overall transcendemple..eerr..munnmple…yeah, that…
:=8/
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By the way
Holliday continues hitting 4th? Berk hits 3rd?
Would be nice to have a real clean-up hitter...
Can we get Fielder for a decent price?
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The average of his OPS for the last 2 years (.879)
Would have tied for 5th in the NL last year, behind ATL, MIL, STL (mostly Berkman), and CO. CO was .880, and it was in CO half the time.
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WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
I'd rather Berk hit 4th.
He gets on base more, which is important for the 2nd inning if nobody gets on in the 1st
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BREAKING:
Cardinals and St Louis mayor comment
Longtime humble, hard-working, and charity-minded baseball superstar Albert Pujols is now pretty much the world’s greediest asshole, claim many in St. Louis.
"What a dick," read a statement from the Cardinals in its entirety.
Pujols was drafted in the 13th Round of the 1999 Draft by the Cardinals and became a St. Louis fixture both on and off the field in 2001. He was known and loved in the community as much for his charity work as for his tape-measure home runs.
"F—k that guy," said St. Louis mayor Francis Slay.
Pujols on Thursday agreed to a 10-year, $254 million with the Anaheim Angels, ending his 11-year career with the Cardinals.
"I hope his plane explodes flying out there," said new Cardinals manager Mike Matheny.
Pujols’ charity, the Pujols Family Foundation, has a mission "to honor God and strengthen families through our works, deeds and examples." The Foundation has been open since 2005 and has programs in St. Louis and the Dominican Republic. It is expected that the charity will now open operations in Los Angeles.
"His charity better think about treating burn victims because I’m going to torch the bitch," said Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak.
Source
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
i laughed
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just thinking about mo actually saying that
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Mo's quote and the official Cardinals statement were the best
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 8, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just starting my documentation
from this morning. Thanks a lot, Albert, you jerkface.
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Does chris carpenter give a fuck about this?
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM EST reply actions
This cheered me up. Thank you
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Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 8, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else think the 275 million from the Marlins is complete BS
Came from Nightengale AKA Lozano’s bitch. If that was legit why the hell would Albert eliminate them before he even got the Angels offer?
the only other option
is cause he knew all along he’d need the DH to chase milestones and was never that interested in staying in the NL
11 in '11!! To Infinity and Beyond!!! ...
oh i think that was the biggest factor
i was just throwing out another theory. i think it was about the money and Lozano probably leaked that story to make Albert look like he took less money
11 in '11!! To Infinity and Beyond!!! ...
who knows
by the time he’s 38 the NL could add the DH
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think the NL will never add the DH.
There would be rioting in the streets!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
No NTC was the reason they were eliminated regardless of dollars
still could be bogus on the money though
maybe albert looked at the marlins recent history
and knew something was fishy
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hee....
….its funny ’cause it all about fishes…
;=8)
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:=8D
It could bs
would be good PR for Loria to leak that.
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So break out the bottle. Bring on the crowd.
Tell funny stories and turn the jukebox up loud.
Come sit at my table where the drinks are on me.
Come gather round me, cause misery loves company.
#HappySeason
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by ClemsonGirl on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Belk's
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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it has cardinals on it! awesome!
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That was unplanned.
I just think poinsettias and cardinals are some of the most particularly awesome Tacky Christmas Sweater subjects.
The best part was when my research professor informed me she thought it was cute. I had to try really hard to not laugh out loud.
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But, but
where are the bats???
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
sweaters!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
woooh! rally cardinals xmas sweater!
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someone make it into a meme!
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Moz just left
http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=877607&f=19
Dont have time to block quote cause im on mobile but seems wierd Moz just left…
working for me.
click next page
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
just that Mo left Dallas without speaking to anyone
earlier on VEB someone said Bernie said Mo was really down
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Seems like Mo thought he had a deal...what went wrong?
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Officials from all of the teams — from presidents and general managers on down — were gathered in a ballroom to choose minor league players. The Cardinals’ contingent had come without General Manager John Mozeliak, and expected to meet him back in their suite. But Mozeliak left the hotel for the airport without telling his staff or speaking to reporters. The Cardinals later issued a statement from the team owner, Bill DeWitt.
"We are disappointed that we were unable to reach an agreement to keep Albert Pujols in St. Louis," DeWitt said. "Albert is a great champion and we will always be thankful for his many achievements in a Cardinals uniform, as well as his contributions to the St. Louis community. I have the highest regard for Albert both personally and professionally, and appreciate his direct involvement in this process. I would like our fans to know that we tried our best to make Albert a lifetime Cardinal but unfortunately we were unable to make it happen."
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12 shots, 12 minutes?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
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12 in 12 hell!!!
This is time for the Century Club!!!
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"I don’t know if it’s necessarily bad for the game," said Cincinnati Reds General Manager Walt Jocketty, who oversaw the start of Pujols’s career as the former Cardinals general manager. "It’s a good question. I would say it’s bad in the sense that a player of that stature didn’t take the opportunity to play for the same team his entire career. On the other hand, it’s the way the game is today."
Sandy Alderson, the Mets’ general manager, said he was happy to see Pujols leave the National League. He did not spend much time pondering Pujols’s destination — the Mets did not pursue him — but he was not surprised by his departure from St. Louis.
"Nothing surprises me," Alderson said. "I would have thought he might go back, but when money starts getting thrown around, anything can happen."
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
mozeliak will appear in south africa two weeks from now a la dave chappelle.
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I know him and Luhnow were really close friends
Also. I bet it has just been a rough week for him.
I think it has already been said, but Bernie, said he sounded down when he spoke to him. Who knows, maybe Mo was wanting to do whatever it took to bring AP back but DeWitt didnt let him.
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Neftali Feliz
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The only real comp I've seen is Pedro, who should never be used as a comp
so, Abe Lincoln.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
I would compare him to a summers day, personally.
In fact, in many ways, he is more lovely and more temperate, and it’s probably true that his fastball/slider combo does shake the darling buds of May.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well, the conspiracy theories on other teams scouting Pujols during interleague, all-star games, and world series can close up
The most probable answer is now 2010 All-Star Game.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well, the conspiracy theories on other teams scouting Pujols during interleague, all-star games, and world series can close up
The most probable answer is now 2010 All-Star Game.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Any guesses on the contracts Prince and Beltran will get?
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My guess:
Prince 7/165m
Beltran 2/28m
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd probably go 2/25 on Beltran
Not sure I’d want anything to do with the Prince one, though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still not sure why Fielder is assumed to get so much
Holliday was a consistently better player when he hit FA.
Not afraid to nitpick
Big contracts have been real inflated since then
Teams have somehow gotten stupider.
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Also, any guesses on just how good Matt Adams is, and when will he be ready?
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He hit well at a hitting-friendly level
I’m not in need of a towel just yet
by dan on Dec 8, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Garden-variety Quad-A slugger
for the majors? never
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 8, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
That means Yuni is still out there...
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We're not really considering him are we
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
There is zero chance our FO is that stupid
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I already have the official MLB DVD and its just about perfect
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 8, 2011 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What is this?
Is it available outside St. Louis?
I’m gonna need to get some “Pujols in Cards uniform” archive footage set up. Might have to finally download game 6 from itunes.
Not sure
I think it is only for local Mickey Dee’s (On a side note I just realized it would have been easier just to spell McDonalds. Oh well.) Anyway they are 20 bucks.
Can we get Beltran and Oswalt on short term deals?
I’m not sure how much they’re asking for. If we can move Wb to bullpen if neither he nor Lohse can be moved.
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I heard Beltran was asking for the Farm
And Oswalt was looking for a tractor to work said Farm
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Boom, the perfect teammates.
This would be a lot easier to move past if Craig was healthy.
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That would work perfectly with Holliday's charity of choice
by dan on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
The farmer fetuses?
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 8, 2011 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well
I’m not mad at Mozeliak or DeWitt at all. They did all they could. Albert is just a greedy bastard like everyone else. The only thing that could ease my pain now is getting Miguel Cabrera. The Younger, Alcoholic, Lite version of Albert
what stage is anger
Cause I’m there right there. I keep flipping between anger and despair. How could he do this to us?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 8, 2011 4:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
well moreno et al probably sat down with lozano.
and presented lozano with a deal he and albert could live with. lozano probably talked in over with albert and then albert had to consult with his family and his close friends. afterwards he told lozano to go forward with it and then he probably took out a pen and signed the deal with lozano, moreno, et al present.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I hate you
Not really.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 8, 2011 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im back up on the ledge
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
eh, I had a big juicy burger today
and the restaurant cooked it medium-rare (even though they’re not supposed to cook below medium) so I’m fine right now
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, that's right - tonight's burger night!
I’ll be eating that burger with a side of melancholy, though.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
i would love to have a plate of donuts and some vodka
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law school does great stuff to your tastes.
namely, vodka is a drink that goes with all food.
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just want all the things i've been depriving myself of.
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but also: yes, that is correct.
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just pour the vodka in your coffee. then you look like you're just having donuts and coffee.
and you’re slightly tipsy.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
what's wrong with vodka and coffee?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
absolutely nothing. especially if its vanilla vodka
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really?!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
i mean, assuming you also put cream and sugar in the coffee
vodka and black coffee probably would not be any good
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with cream, it's 75% of the way to a white russian.
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i've just never heard of this.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
being skinny makes me happy too
and i’ve been depriving myself of that for two years
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of course.
lots of vegetables. cutting sugar and carbs – which includes alcohol, sadly.
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it also probably couldn't hurt your brain
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....said the pot head
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well i've been cutting down as well
do to lack of cash.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I still think it has some value
just not too often and in small doses.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
of course it tastes like medicine by itself
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
meh. the upside of getting divorced is getting to date again.
the st. louis cardinals will do just fine.
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OT: Google Currents released today
Makes VEB look very nice (of course it just lists the articles not the comment section)
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions
sexy.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
he's not there yet? or i missed it.
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I'm guessing they'll be up in a bit...
doing sound checks now.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
yeah, its about to start
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I'm kind of nervous...
I hope Mo doesn’t cry…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
we gotta get a bat.
otherwise, i agree.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Im ok with it as well
I’m still sad though.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 8, 2011 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed.
you don’t just replace albert pujols.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Same, but I think that's more baseball apathy, which makes me sad in a new way.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
You know, emotionally, I'm not that bothered.
I was expecting to feel that we made the right deal (in my head), but sad (in my heart), but ultimately I’m kinda fine with it. I’d have been angry if we’d signed him to a 10-year, $250m deal. In all honesty, I’m not sure he’s worth much more than $25m right now (if he’s a 6-7 WAR guy, by current FA values, he’s maybe a 25-30m player but no more) and I’m damn sure he won’t be in 8 or 9 years.
Albert was never my favourite player. It’d be a shame if he goes into the HOF in an Angels cap (though I doubt it, as I think he’s maybe only got 4 or 5 years left as a top player), but realistically it was clearly all about the money and I don’t really care that much that he’s gone. I think there’s a very real chance that the 2012 Cardinals with Beltran, Furcal and Berkman could well be better than the 2012 Cardinals with Pujols, Jay and Greene.
I kinda feel a bit like Pujols is dead to me now. I don’t hate him, I don’t love him. He’s just another very good player in the AL who I’ll probably never see play during the regular season. He’s become an irrelevance to me and I’m surprised how easy that’s happened.
Still bitching to contact.
You go further than I would, but I'm in that neighborhood.
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I think it's mainly because he's never been my favourite player
I’ve always respected and liked him, but never loved him. Kinda ditto with Rasmus, actually. I was probably more upset when Edmonds left, even though he was a husk of his former self, and likewise now I think I’d feel worse if Wainwright moved on.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. I posted something similar right when the news broke this A.M.
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I won't cry until Carp is gone...
…which will never, I repeat, NEVER, happen!!!!!!!!
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aww yeah, beltran, furcal and berkman
that’s pretty sick.
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For 2004
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
yeah, but it's still pretty cool now
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Freese
Here’s what I could consider.
Freese move to first (he’s obviously not a very good defensive 3 bagger)
Sign Aramis Ramirez 3/45? or does it cost more? Not sure what he’s looking for
Fangraphs
I don’t care if Fangraphs puts him at a +3.9 UZR/150
I still this he’s below average over there. :)
by Jeff Weymouth on Dec 8, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
where is this coming from?
why does everyone think freese is below average defender at 3rd?
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Not all of us just look into his eyes.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 8, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and where did this eyes thing come from?
but seriously, he has good defensive metrics, and he looks fine to me. i just wonder what this is based on.
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I think he looks fine (defensively) at 3B.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
and that is what i meant
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I think it has to do with a couple games here and there
2 or 3 games last season he made a couple of bad plays in the same game and that really sticks out for the people that don’t look at defensive statistics outside of errors.
At least that’s my guess.
And in general.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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Too bad he was so mean to Colby on that national nightly talk show.
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In the urban sense, right?
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You mean like Fahiiine...because yeah.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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That pop up bounced off his head!
Did you see that? Right off the top of his head!
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Because they are not enlightened like us.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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His metrics and everything say otherwise
Just in my opinion he doesn’t look like the guy that I want a ball hit to.
I’m not sure what it is. Maybe the surgeries don’t let him bend the same. I have no idea.
by Jeff Weymouth on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
ick, to all of the above. freese is a good third baseman. not sure why you're saying he's not.
aramis ramirez is old and injured. no thanks. way too expensive and not that good.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
This
Let Freese/Cox/Wong work it out
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 8, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Don't want that. If we are going to go big
I want us to go after Prince. The 1st and 3rd base crop of FAs the next two years is really week.
by mick311 on Dec 8, 2011 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fielder
would be my first choice. Just feel that the Cards wouldn’t be interested in him for some reaon. Yet I have no reasoning behind this though.
by Jeff Weymouth on Dec 8, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
If we spend big in FA, I'd rather it be pitching or middle infield (not pitching this year, though)
Corner spots are just too easy to fill with average, cheap players.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather it never be pitching due to injury risks.
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because he doesn't hit well enough.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ramirez wants a payday
I doubt 3 years would do it, even if I wanted him on my team.
Freese is a good defensive third baseman
and in no way does he have the bat to play 1B. So, yeah, this is a terrible idea. Plus I think 1B is like the easiest position to fill competently and cheaply on the FA market.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
What will be interesting will be Albert vs Bill Plasche
/lolodrama- you see what I did there? I mixed melodrama with laugh out loud. It’s a joke
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 8, 2011 4:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I liked Andy Van Slyke as a player
But man does he come off as an idiot on the radio
Grit != flat out sucking.
Mo is a no show
can’t blame him. He’s gonna get blamed for something that isn’t his fault. Chris PErez karma is catching up
yeah but he also didn't sign a guy to 10/200+ whom couldn't even crack last years all-star team
/chris perez karma logic’d
and we won the world series.
I wonder if Albert takes out a full page ad in the PD
Giving PR speak and thanking us
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:32 PM EST reply actions
god knows the P-D needs the money. though the "pujols turns his back on st. louis" thing won't make him feel like doing this
which was pretty shitty as a headline, truth be told.
maybe he’ll buy ad time on channel five.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
60 Minute interview.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
RFT!
(lookin’ out for ya, rb)
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Arigato.
I was actually on the road all day today driving to Iowa. I picked the absolute worst day to be unavailable after 9:00 am in the history of everything.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 8, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that was pretty awful
High-road? Nah.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Well, this definitely takes "Albert" off the running for names for the new kid
now it’s just down to David, Alan and Torty
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 8, 2011 4:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Also, "RallySquirrel" and "Glovington" are in play
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As a man actually named David
I vote Torty
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 8, 2011 5:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the more pressing question today is
What the hell do we get Musial for Christmas
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This might sound bad, but maybe at this point it would just be best to lie
and say that Albert signed for a lifetime contract
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
Mo is in the house
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i am really, really depressed & pissed about this
i know it’s always about the benjamin’s. i know it’s a cold, heartless business, i know there is really no loyalty by the owners, GM’s, coaches & players. but Albert always said he was different, he said that it wasn’t about the money & he would stay if the Cardinals didn’t low ball him. but clearly that wasn’t the case.
and that’s what hurts most of all. i believed the lie. i guess i should be mad at myself for being so gullible. but for the last 11 years Albert did nothing but say & prove he was different. he wasn’t like all the other athletes & wouldn’t take the money & run. but he did & he is. he lied & i believed the lie. and that’s what hurts most of all
Balls
Liveblog plz
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Twitter
Mo reflecting on his time, saying they never knew the #s for the other offers besides their's, and had a "wow" factor when he heard of the Angel's contract.
Says he talked to Albert today, and they didn’t talk contracts, just reminisced.
WWCD? CDGAF.
MO
“I’d imagine this is exactly what they (Lozano) wanted to see play out.”
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Really reminds me of Tex a couple of years ago
Yankees, like the Angels, came outta nowhere and blew everyone else out of the water.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Why didn't we get a deal done in previous years?
You’d have to ask their representation. It seems like this is what they wanted to happen.
#HappySeason
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Yes I think so too
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Yep.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
"If you're asking why we weren't able to get a deal done last year or years previous
that’s something you’d have to ask their representation"
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:39 PM EST reply actions
mo is looking relaxed, no scarves, no tie. jacket, over a sweater.
rocking dweeb glasses.
what’s it like to lose a face of the franchise?
well, hard to say. the key is the franchise. you can’t put a player ahead of the franchise. in the end it comes down to how we play.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Where is this?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
how come no one is asking what the cardinals final offer was
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Someone did, or hinted at it.
Said he wouldn’t speak details as far as $ go.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
alternate if needed
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Question: "He had a chance to be Ripkin, Gwynn..."
MO interrupts, “Musial”
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
by pattimagee on Dec 8, 2011 4:41 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
AW SNAP MO IS A BADASS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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What did Mo say after?
And now that isn’t there anymore?
Something like that
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 8, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
i believe he said, and now that’s no longer in play
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think you've extended yourself as far as you could go.
“Absolutely.”
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
what does this do to the albert pujols brand?
that’s up to him and what he does out there in california.
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His response to the financial flexibilty question was great
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
we've got our irons in the fire now. we know what we want.
the negotiations were professional. any time there’s big money at stake, it gets tense. but always professional.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
With 200M freed up, does that signal a new start for the org
Yeah, I was looking at that on the plane. We hope to use those resources.
#HappySeason
Mo feels that the Cardinals had extended themselves beyond where they were comfertable
Grit != flat out sucking.
Mo now on MLBN
way behind the fox sports stream
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions
Listening to Mo
I’m liking him more after this. I feel confident we have one of the better GM’s in baseball.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
it takes some fucking balls to let pujols walk away
i give him a ton of credit
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
agreed.
i can’t fault him for anything but the kyle lohse contract. and that wasn’t really even that bad, in comparison to the shit storm we’ve seen the past few off seasons
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there's plenty of moves for which he can be faulted.
but this is not one of them. He made a strong, worthy effort of Pujols.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
name them.
i’m not “blaming” him for rasmus, for two reasons: 1) we won the world series, and 2) i don’t think colby is ever going to be the player veb thinks he will be, and until he is, we really just can’t even judge that trade.
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Still he got a bad return on both the Rasmus and Boog trades
Below their actual value, which means it wasn’t just a matter of leverage. And while he’s been pretty solid most of the time, the only really big bargain move he made was signing Berkman. Maybe he’s one of the best GM’s, but that’s only because a lot of GM’s are still morons.
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don't forget the scott rolen - troy glaus trade
that was mo wasn’t it? that was a good trade
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I don't think that was a particularly good trade
It was basically just a swap of two dead contracts. Glaus was better the first year following the traded, but Rolen was much better and healthier in the next two.
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but it was a necessary trade and we got good value, at the time, for rolen
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ok, but anyone could and would have made that trade
it was just an average trade.
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i remember at the time the consensus being a round of applause for mo for being able to dump rolen's contract on anyone, let alone on someone willing to give us glaus in return.
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Glaus's contract and situation were equal to Rolen's.
It was an even trade.
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Except that Rolen had requested a trade and his spat with TLR undermined his trade value.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 8, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Glaus' value was also undermined, given that he was owed 12 million a year
and was bad/injured. It was a straight swap of bad contracts.
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I hated Glaus as a Cardinal
And was perhaps even happier we got rid of him that getting rid of Ank … don’t through things
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 8, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but he was cheaper
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and again, you can't judge the boog trade because we don't know how cleto will pan out
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Well we know how he looked 2 years ago, that's what Mo was basing the trade off of
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A 20 YO with a 100 mph fastball?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
98 MPH
And massive control problems, and lack of secondary pitches. And probably a reliever.
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For a 28 yo SS coming of a 55 wRC+ year
you aren’t going to beat young arm with upside by much.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Look what the Royals got for Callaspo around that same time
no way I make that trade
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
no, you're right
No, but Mo definitely should have found a better replacement.
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i'm sure there weren't a lot of teams like chomping at the bit for boog
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yeah, I agree
But anyone could have made the same trade, and Mo didn’t do a good job of replacing Boog.
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look all i'm saying is i only fault him for one bad deal.
the rest of things are either neutral or good. i think lohse was the only legitimately bad move.
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yeah I agree
But I think most of his moves fall into the neutral realm, some a little worse (Theriot), some a little better (Punto). Signing Berkman was the only really good move he made, and that’s counterbalanced by the Lohse contract and the Rasmus one to some extent.
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Massive control problems is clearly overstating the case.
Gary Daley had massive control problems. Seth Blair has massive control problems. Cleto was a 22 year old in AAA who pitched better than league average there after starting the season in A+.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
His FIP was in the 4's
That’s what PJ Walters did.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
ding ding ding
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I fully admit my opinion of Mo is a roller coaster.
Just a couple of moves I didn’t particularly like:
DeRosa
Boog
Theriot
Rasmus (we won the World Series, but the return was low)
He has made plenty of good moves also.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
derosa was a great move that turned out badly due to circumstances beyond mo's control.
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it was a pretty average move
Just like the Westbrook signing.
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i'm done with this conversation
my original point has been lost. i’m not applauding him for his average moves. and i’m not faulting him for them, either.
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Neither am I
I’m just saying they are average, and they reflect his talent as a GM, which is average.
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you are the worst person in the world to argue with.
all i said is i don’t fault mo for anything but lohse. that’s it.
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ok my bad, I thought you were arguing that he was a good gm
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how?
we got Tyrell Jenkins!
or was that the seth blair pick?!?
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He's had an excellent year, IMO
and Ive been really down on him for a long time. I think he’s learning, which is always a good thing to do when you’re new in a job. Hard to fault him for too many moves in 2011, without knowing how much of a hand TLR had in any of them.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
it's hard to quantify iconic value. or superstardom. we had hoped at the end of the contract that he'd be a cardinal for life.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Lots of fluidity...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Weird question, but how is Mo's tone?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
he is very loose and relaxed
mentioned that near the end they were pushed to a point that they were not very comfortable with.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Relaxed, but it does sound like he's exhausted from not having gotten any sleep
Or maybe that’s me.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Bright, with a little hair on it
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And there it is. The question
his answer: robust offer
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions
this situation was extremely fluid. there was a lot of things going back and forth.
there were significant subtleties that we became uncomfortable with. i’m not going to get into specific terms.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
i think [pujols] looks at this as a new opportunity, a new challenge. you have to respect that.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
why did it take me so long to notice your Elvis sig....
But since their wings have gotten rusted, you know the angels wanna wear my red shoes
The Angels want to pay my A-Pu?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
by lightbulb on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you sonova. wait five minutes for the programmed overflow, you bastard!
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whoops
Good news, everyone! Tom has a new thread up!
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
yeah, i don't really have any ill will towards Pujols
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Is there more urgency to get a bat with Craig out.
Not necessarily. No need for a knee-jerk reaction. Craig only out for a month or two
#HappySeason
"We don't want to sign somebody, just to sign somebody"
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I'm going to trust MO
remember when he said he’d add a 25 homerun guy and we laughed when he signed Theriot, then he got Berk
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions
Look at you
And your good memory
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 8, 2011 5:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we ARE the reigning world champs.
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my preference would be free agency. our farm is so strong. i'd hate to deplete that.
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No question on Darvish yet?
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They've said they're comfortable with Greene and DD at MIF
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
they don't
they think that Greene and DD at MIF will work. And those are just small holes.
Grit != flat out sucking.
we don't have a ton of holes to fill.
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u makin shit up
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
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that one guy
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I've been debating whether to come here all day
VEB this sucks, but I can deal.
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after the giant threads after the Rasmus trade
these threads are way more calm and rational.
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Probably because keeping Colby Rasmus wouldn't have meant paying him $25m when he was 41 years old.
Really, if we’d matched the Angel’s deal, it would’ve been pretty awful. I don’t blame the org one bit for that.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
We should sign Prince Fielder
and then immediately erect a statue of him outside the stadium purely out of spite
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
only if said statue has expandable sideplates
to match real Prince’s probable expanding waistline
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Not enough bronze.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Cost in salary dollars: $170m.
Cost in bronze: $254m.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was with you until the statue part
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 8, 2011 5:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
who do you think the face of the organization? no one is going to step into it immediately.
there’s no need for a face. but time will tell.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
You're looking at it. Movin' out of mom's basement.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Holliday, I think we're going to have a really well balanced team in the future
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Joe buck on 101.1 ESPN
Was surprised to hear that Ludnow was the GM of the Astros
Grit != flat out sucking.
luhnow hire means that people noticed what we're doing here.
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I thought I would calm down over this, but I haven't
I’m just as pissed as I was when the text woke me up
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
i woke up, check my phone
multiple texts including the first one i read from a fucking angels fan. a casual BS fan at that. so i found out from this ass clown who i haven’t even talked to in like a month
Heard from my roommate
Also a Cards fan, just sent me “angels”
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 8, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
haha, snarky mo there
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions
question about the exclusive window
mo: how long was it?
4 days.
mo: riiiight, and when was it?
after world series
mo: riiiiight, and what were we doing? we we’re a little busy then
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
negotiations began in earnest at gm meetings.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Q: did you have a plan if Albert left?
Mo: Yea. It’s difficult to say how you’d replace an Albert. The best way to do it is to understand the resources that have been freed and how you’re going to utilize them.
uh-oh. lebron comp.
why is it different when you lose a superstar? it’s like adam wainwright. people thought we wouldn’t succeed. before we pass judgment, let’s let us play a game.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Mo makes brilliant comparison when asked how this could not be as bad as LBJ leaving Cleveland
In how baseball is different, saying the best comparison is the Cardinals’ own Adam Wainwright.
I really, really like Mo.
WWCD? CDGAF.
"If we can find 21 Millions dollars worth of talent we'll do it..."
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
"that it?" [looks around, amused, as if to say "bring it! that all you got?"]
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He also just said, "We've been talking to Yuni's agent"
by dan on Dec 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Bjorkrolled.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo
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and I realize it was a joke
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Do you really want to make me cry?
"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.
by Reynolds rapper on Dec 8, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really want to hurt me?
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But it scanned well with
“Do we really want Yuni”
"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.
by Reynolds rapper on Dec 8, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
mo looks aged, stressed, and somewhat bummed.
it’s really hard not to like him. one of the most honest pressers i’ve ever watched.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:54 PM EST reply actions
he did a fantastic job right there
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only thing more honest would be if he said
Well I’m sure Lozano will love the amount of hookers and coke in california
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 8, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
heh.
his answers were great. i think we’re really going to see a change in philosophy now that he doesn’t have to deal with larussa.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well... now I just want a young cost controlled superstar at a premium position on this team
I mean the market is flooded with them, amirite?
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I wonder how Marlins fans feel.
They were on the verge of something huge, and really didn’t quite make it. Though I would have absolutely LOVED for us to get Reyes, it would have been a final piece for the puzzle. For the Marlins, I don’t see Reyes and Buerhle really being enough to move them forward. Especially knowing they had bigger offers to Wilson and Pujols.
WWCD? CDGAF.
did someone live blog the part where he said pujols wasn't going back and forth with other teams offers
he obviously didn’t even know what the angels were offering until he woke up this morning. that’s a bit different than how we had characterized lozano, isn’t it?
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Not necessarily.
Not knowing the exact $$$ amount doesn’t mean Lozano wasn’t pressuring them, saying “You’re in third place, dude.”
WWCD? CDGAF.
Plausible deniability
Agents do that. One of the reasons is so that the player can say “hey, it wasn’t me.”
Actual transcript of Mo's conversation with Albert post-signing:
Albert, you’re nothing to me now. You’re not a brother, you’re not a friend. I don’t want to know you or what you do. I don’t want to see you at the hotels, I don’t want you near my house. When you see LaRussa, I want to know a day in advance, so I won’t be there. You understand?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 8, 2011 5:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How long before they let another player wear number 5?
No way that shit gets retired. We’ve already seen Jay and Furcal wear Edmonds’ 15
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
Pretty sure 5 gets retired.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 8, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not with the way he left
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 8, 2011 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, I guess it's time to go sign Bobby Bonilla again...
…and start the process over again.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
I like this plan.
I wonder if he could play second base. Then, we can panic and bring up Kolten Wong who ends up being the best 2nd baseman ever…. ahhh dreams.
by Houdinimachine on Dec 8, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Don't bring flowers into this.
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They are super happy today. At least it’s good to know Mr. Pujols is appreciated by fans other than Cardinals ones. As for here in St. Louis, the team does look fair going into 2012. I mean, Texas did OK after losing A-Rod and Texiera (except for that game 6, of course). Not really worried about the Cardinals, just feel numb after having my naive view of the world shattered into 250 million little pieces.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Except after losing Arod and Texiera, they got really nice returns in Soriano and Feliz, Andrus, and Harrison
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Do the overslot draft penalties start this year?
I’d rather have the cardinals overpay in the draft than any of the remaining big free agents, especially if the new penalties won’t be in effect this year.
this video is hard to watch
a compilation of albert saying he wasn’t going to leave
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
nice facebook posts, fang
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you being real?
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
well, sorry about that.
i’ve done pretty well on facebook today.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I have too.
But that’s everyday.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
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BABAM
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
no you put that terrible chain letter up that i am not going to repost and now i will die in my shower tomorrow
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I was afraid.
I don’t want to die!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
And I couldn't sleep last nght.
I never post those things but that one legitimately scared me. I apologize for my one oversight.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
welp, if i don't show up tomorrow, you'll know what happened to me
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
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You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Agree with Bullet Point "Both Sides Made Great Move..... Both Sides Made Mistake"
On the one hand, the Cardinals knew Pujols was just over the hill. Not hugely over the hill but the decline beginning. On the other hand, losing our franchise player after so many years hurts emotionally.
Granted, having a new manager already makes things “not the same” if a guy is considering whether to go or stay.
I’m glad that he did not join any of the potential arch-rival teams of either my Cardinals or my Nationals. No signing with the hated Mets (who I hated since the ’80’s though they’re no longer in the Cards’ division). No signing with the Pirates (who I hated in the 70’s when they were good). And no signing with the Marlins (who seemed to be signing every free agent in site and are a thorn in the side to my other favorite team, the Nats).
At least the Angels are a team I have liked in the past, even though the Orioles are my primary rooting interest in the AL.
Rocking the Red for teams on the banks of the Potomac and at the Gateway Arch and Singing the Blues about Hockey.
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