Stupid Offers, Rogue Teams, and Plan Bs
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 1:42 PM EST
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PrintThere's this rather odd television commercial playing right now I find exceedingly odd. It's one of those Above the Influence ads, designed to exert societal pressure on kids not to cave into societal pressure to do drugs. In the advert, we see an acceptably unacceptable everyday teenager -- i.e. he's white, has hair of a length which would have been shocking in 1961, is wearing clothes which do not fit him particularly well, etc. -- heading out into an urban jungle, presumably to make trouble for the Establishment.
Ah, but wait! This teen isn't one of those crazy beatniks we've all heard so much about! You see, he's walking right past all the bad influences! Doesn't even pay a second's notice to the also-surprisingly-well-scrubbed-for-implied-druggies teens sitting on the stoop, presumably discussing evil plans to impregnate Mary Sue from down the block and then smoke some reefer cigarettes afterward. That's not for our delightfully scruffy protagonist!
So the kid is shown climbing stairs, what apparently passes for rebellious music these days plays in the background, and we then see him emerge out into bright sunlight as he opens a door to the roof of a building. He stands looking out over the city for a moment, then takes off running toward the edge of the building and jumps off, landing on the roof of the next building over. As he continues to do this, jumping from rooftop to rooftop, the voice-over tagline comes in.
"Every day, I rise above it."
The commercial concludes with him making his final jump, down to the sidewalk from a relatively low roofline and walking off. Here we have our Atlas, friends, capable of supporting the world upon his shoulders thanks to clean living and the willingness to jump off buildings on his morning commute to class.
Now, far be it from me to question the validity of anyone's anti-anything hysteria, or to downplay the horrors of addiction. However, I must admit to being more than a little fascinated by the proposition this commercial sets before us. Essentially, it is positing rather than risking your health and life by taking illegal drugs of some sort, one should actually go and jump between the roofs of buildings. We are to believe, in fact, the monstrous ravages of drug addiction are actually worse than falling several stories to a broken, bleeding, gurgling death on the concrete in the course of walking to school.
I'm not judging, necessarily. Just fascinated by this bit of propaganda and what it is suggesting.
Baseball and doom after the jump.
All along through the process of Albert Pujols going to free agency, there's been plenty of discussion about what he would command. Years, dollars, respect, laws forcing all inhabitants of the city he chooses to curtsy when he happens by, things like that. And in every single one of those discussions, there is one sentiment which never fails to be expressed.
"Well, you know, he'll get more than he should, though. It only takes one team to make that really stupid offer."
It is one of the great truisms of economics, that it requires only one rogue element to set the market value on something, even when said market value may be far, far out of line with the actual value. If everyone in the room agrees that antique credenza is worth two hundred dollars, but there's one dude in the corner who's willing to pay nine thousand dollars for it, then guess what? Yep, you're going to have to beat nine thousand in the bidding if you really want that credenza.
I don't imagine too very many people, though, would have thought the Florida Miami Marlins would be the dude in the corner. But, hey, here we are.
We know the Marlins offered Albert a ten year deal. We know the Cardinals countered with their own ten year deal. We know that means one of these clubs -- or perhaps the mysterious mystery team of mystery -- will be paying Albert Pujols $25 million+ to play baseball when he is 39, 40, and 41 years old. I know there are those who believe Pujols will be worth it at any cost, for the history, for the production, for the winning, for the love, but you'll have to forgive me if the notion of paying a player over 40 in the neighbourhood of 25 million per year seems flat-out stupid to me. I wouldn't do it, and I'm frankly appalled that the Cardinals are going to.
But then, given the dearth of acceptable Plan Bs, perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising. Jimmy Rollins is not in any way, shape, or form a Plan B to not signing Albert Pujols. Rollins himself will be nearing 40 when he finishes the mush-more-modestly-lengthed deal he's demanding, and shortstops in their late 30s are sad sights indeed, just as a general rule. The Mark Buerhle Plan has a nice story to it, but I don't think marginally upgrading Kyle Lohse's spot in the rotation is going to take all that much sting out of losing your seven win first baseman.
Oh, so you didn't get that credenza you wanted? Ah, well, I'm very sorry sir, but that's just how these things go, you understand. No, I wasn't expecting the gentleman in the overcoat and tube socks in the corner to pull out a jar of pennies that large either. But, all is not lost, sir. Chin up! We have lots of other nice things! How about, hmm, um, let me see...how about this? I know it's not the antique credenza you wanted, but it's still quite lovely. What is it? Oh, it's an antique bedpan used in a tuberculosis ward. Never been washed, you know. Quite authentic. Sir? Where are you going?
In reality, unless we want to contemplate giving Prince Fielder an equally stupid deal to the one the Cardinals are offering to Albert, the only real Plan B which made sense was Jose Reyes. And, of course, thanks to the protracted negotiations with Pujols and his cookie monster of an agent (wait for the joke to sink in...there you go), the best Plan B out there has already been scooped up while everyone was standing around waiting for Plan A. Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?
I'll go ahead and say it: I would have rather paid Jose Reyes $17.5 million a year for the next six seasons than pay Albert $23 million a year for the next ten. I know there are plenty of reasons plenty of people would prefer to pay Albert, and they're mostly pretty good reasons. But Reyes at six years gets you out after his age 36 season. Pujols, on the other hand, after his age 36 season will still have five years remaining. Also known as his age 37, 38, 39, 40, and 41 seasons. Good luck with that.
The Marlins, of course, are banking on something beyond on-the-field performance. They're trying to build a new brand, and Pujols is central to that. Ordinarily you would say just win and the fans will come. Only problem is the Marlins have won. And the silence was deafening. Pujols to them is a centerpiece that will bring in droves of Hispanic fans, all clamouring to see guys with names like Ramirez and Reyes play baseball flanking the greatest Latino player in the game. Albert is a marketing opportunity to end all others for them. The Cardinals, on the other hand, are trying to build a team capable of defending a World Series title. No more, no less.
Here's the problem: the Cardinals need Albert the Player, and are willing to pay solid credenza money for him. The Marlins, though, well, that credenza really ties the room together, you know? They need Albert the Myth, Albert the Figure, and are willing to pay on a different scale. So, do the Cardinals pay for Albert the Figure when they really only wanted Albert the Player?
The best thing that could happen now, I think, is for the Cards to be outbid. As strange as it sounds, I'm certain of that. Oh, well.
I'm hoping we get news sometime today. My magical baron powers should almost guarantee it. Developing...
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Pujols can sign the largest contract in franchise history now!
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 7, 2011 1:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Money is going to go up, years are going to go down.
I still think he’s going to set the All-time annual salary record.
The Marlins tried to steal him on a relatively cheap, long term offer. Now that there is matching, the fireworks are going to start.
"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.
there is absolutely zero chance Albert gets more than $27.5 million a year
i will stake my life on it.
I don't know...
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cardinals give him $40 million for 2012-13 if they get him for $15 million the remaining six.
/o_o\
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
Hey, I do what I can.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
yes!
also, kudos to you for actually coming up with a post today. i would have just said fuck it.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions
cardinals in drivers seat for pujols. Offer in $210-220M range, miami just slightly higher
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions
all the speculation
probably just have to wait and see what he decides..this whole thing is awful
because TLR
The dude from Mash and Dragnet?
I thought he died years ago. Like, a whole bunch of years ago.
Then again, I was absolutely certain Johnny Mathis was dead, too, until I saw him on television a couple years ago.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I know, right?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
My Great Grandfather was a Major Potter
my mom always loved that character she said he was a very similar guy
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
here we go
@jcrasnick Lots of buzz in Dallas that the Pujols decision is shifting strongly in the #Cardinals direction. 24 minutes ago
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I will never not rec this joke.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
i'm with ya on that.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
It makes perfect sense around here, actually.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
#marlins already in pursuit of prince. Signs indicate cards likely to get pujols
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:01 PM EST reply actions
have to think this is about done...
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
welp
#BREAKING Nationals offer gargantuan 11 year contract to Pujols; sources claim it is “irresistable”
by hr on Dec 7, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I am normally skeptical, but it is block quoted so it has to be true.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
In other news
Hootie Who has agreed to pay NotoriousPSC’s college tuition
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Also in a stroke of Christmas Cheer and generosity Hootie Who has agreed to pay off ClemsonGirl’s loana dn find her a job.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Future Mrs. David Freese ♥
St. Louis Cardinals 2011 World Series Champions
It's a Christmas miracle!
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
NotoriousPSC kills Santa in a drunken rage
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 7, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
but wait
Sources say the Red Sox have joined the fray with a 12 year deal
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ham!
Nippon Ham Fighters toss their offer on the #Pujols table – 18 years, $400mm, a tuna troller, and chopsticks made from the shinbones Shaolin monks
by dan on Dec 7, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
WAIT! IS THAT THE DUTCH BASEBALL LEAGUE'S ROTTERDAM ROENKOELSIENERS MUSIC?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 7, 2011 2:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
If Albert went to play in the Dutch baseball league
is it possible that his single season WAR could actually break the Western system of numbers?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 7, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Some evil genius just made an offer public at the Winter Meetings!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
it did take me years to learn this
but that’s not how you spell ‘irresistible’
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well, irregardless....
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
YOU BASTARD
I hope your dog eats all your baked goods.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Little sob got into my Blueberry muffins yesterday.
For a dog that never gets table scraps, he sure developed a sweet tooth.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
...
@Jon_Heyman #marlins already in pursuit of prince. Signs indicate cards likely to get pujols
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
In regards to the anti-drug commercial.
I don’t think drugs are more dangerous than leaping from building to building.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Then you're clearly watching television wrong.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for posting. momentum has picked up in the last few minutes!
#magicalbaronpowers
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
My work here, as they say, she is done.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
/have you ever jumped from building to building?
quite the rush, man.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
good point.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
not enough data
What type of drugs? What quantity of drugs? How tall are the buildings? How close together are the buildings? What is below between the buildings? (this is inherently less dangerous in Venice., wait, this-a-one. )
Grit != flat out sucking.
Nicely put
They need Albert the Myth, Albert the Figure, and are willing to pay on a different scale. So, do the Cardinals pay for Albert the Figure when they really only wanted Albert the Player?
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Dec 7, 2011 2:02 PM EST reply actions
RB post is up.
Over under that Albert signs in the next hour?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but jc said he was going to announce on Friday.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I just don't even understand why Pujols is even considering the marlins
I thought he liked wins and fans, neither of which they have in Miami.
Obviously, I have just had way too much faith in Albert to actually believe he was going to leave
His agent is the asshole
I'll take that bet
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Wild Card.
Not to mention an aging Ryan Howard and Roy Halliday, and having a cornerstone player at 2B, which is an ankle-destroying position to play.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
so, the Phillies have $82 million in 2014 locked up in..
a 37-year-old Roy Halladay
a 36-year-old Cliff Lee
a 34-year-old Jonathan Papelbon and
a 34-year-old Ryan Howard.
Using their 2011 performances (very conservative), that accounts for ~13% of team PAs and 36% of team IP. Yikes.
I just think the window for the phillies is rapidly closing. their key players are dinosaurs.
if the marlins land pujols or fielder, their lineup with reyes, stanton, lomo, 1B, HanRam is scary. Plus a healthy Josh Johnson and a newfound penchant for spending? No reason to think they can’t compete.
I know he hasn't been around too long, but...
a healthy Josh Johnson…
Sure seems iffy.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
id go over too
I don’t think its crazy to think Halladay and Lee can still be great in their late 30s. (anecdote alert) Curt Schilling put up 33.4 WAR in his age 35-41 seasons (~4.8 avg).
I agree on Doc he profiles as nasty for years to come
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
One will likely not be pitching at all...
the other probably will be quite good. That got me to 5 wins. Then I pegged Howard as a 1 win first sacker and Pap as a near replacement reliever.
Sign Roy O
Can't see why Doc and Lee wouldn't be pitching at age 37 and 36 respectively
they’re arguably the two best pitchers in baseball NOW, 2014 is only a couple of years away. And they’ve both been pretty durable thus far in their careers. I reckon Halladay is probably still a 3-4 WAR guy and Lee is at the very least somewhere slightly north of league average. I think they could put up 6.5 WAR between them.
All that said, not sure I see Howard and Papelbon having much value by that point.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 7, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
eh, they only had 12 fewer wins than the braves this year
add reyes/1B and you already have a big part of that gap. Add in the fact that HanRam missed 70 games and JJ only made 9 starts and suddenly they are right in the mix
Could be rivalling the AL East as the best division in baseball by then.
Poor Mets.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 7, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he isn't considering the Marlins
Maybe he just considers them a nice way to drive up the Cards offer, which they have done effectively.
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Dec 7, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
he has family there
that’s one of the places where the family packs up and joins him
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Can the Cardinals win media wise?
they were bad in not going longer and offering more, but now this..
because TLR
Marlins out of the running for pujols
according to MLBN
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions
on MLB Network
don’t have the link. they had a big BREAKING and it said below “Marlins out of running for Pujols”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
here's KSDK saying it on twitter.
no big name media source to my knowledge has said the same.
link
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
...
@Jon_Heyman No confirmation miami is out, as was reported. however, w/ diff in $ slight and no no-trade in miami, #cards clear favorite
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
done. with. him.
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
he tweets one thing then goes back on it five minutes later.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
he's just tweeting what he's hearing.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I just wanted to go ahead and get it out there and get it over with
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it's almost as if he's a moron, or something.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 7, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This feels like that day the rams signed josh mcdaniels
I sure hope this plays out better than that though
wat
this is matt painter to mizzou all over again.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
BCB doesn't have a post up today, didn't have one yesterday.
How are they discussing #Albertageddon? Lame.
#HappySeason
BCB Cubs or BCB Brewers?
I wish that the same acronyms for a blog were at least in different divisions.
Makin' toast!
DING
Butterin' toast!
unless you're playing the brewers in the NLCS and the cubs have yet to sign a GM
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Just put ink to the contract already Albert!!
You know you want to stay with the Cards. Tell your agent to go tend to Rollins or some Dallas strippers because you are staying home!!!
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Loving the #marlins style here. Now talking to prince. prefer pujols for marketing but love fielders age (27)/production
just shut up already, heyman.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions
it's me, dawg.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
i'll probably change it though.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
BUT NO I CAN'T POST YOUR LAST NAME
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
hard to google a picture, dawg.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
not really,
but just so you know, it generated no hits.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
And the picture's name is twitter, so no hints there
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
um....no?
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
if you search my name, my new picture is the first result?
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
You're taped jersey is first.
I can’t see your avatar now, but your smiling face is featured prominently on the first page. As is a shirtless man in a headset in front of an Alabama themed truck.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
i see my rasmus jersey...
and on the first page i see my facebook picture and my twitter picture from awhile ago of me in a rams jersey. i don’t see my new avatar anywhere but i’ll take your word for it.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
oh, okay.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Keep it! If it were up to me, everyone's avatar would be their picture. Much respect, sir.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
Hypocrite
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Wait, is it possible that... rui is Brad Penny?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
oh, damn it. I knew I forgot something. Well, it'll make good fertilizer.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Dec 7, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dead puppies, dead puppies
dead puppies aren’t much fun.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
ahhh.
Dr. Demento memories.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
aw, thanks.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I even used subjunctive properly just so you could see that I was sincere.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Dec 7, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks, fink.
much better than the bullshit i’m getting above this.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Got get started on creating the next developing...momentum-building...tempest in a teapot.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Wonder if the Marlins somehow sign Fielder
they would then trade Sanchez to the Brewers for a SP.
by Ghostrider520 on Dec 7, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Giving Pujols a straight 10/220 is insane...
he’s not going to be any good in his age 38-41 seasons. That’s $90 million of dead money, even if he plays well til he’s 37, which is unlikely. There has to be a way out of the age 40 and 41 seasons at least.
Sign Roy O
You think we might be able to work a buyout in there somewhere?
Maybe?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I could see both sides seeing it as a good thing, potentially
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
exactly. maybe i'm naive. but i have to think that if i'm pujols, or a simlar-caliber player
i don’t want the last 2-3 years of my illustrous career tarnished by poor production. you want to maintain that legacy, not leave people with a sour taste.
or, maybe it really is just all about the money.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I was thinking more along the lines of how Pujols would want out b/c he could get more
Who knows what the world of baseball will look like in terms of salaries then, and who knows what his production will be relative to the average. After 5-6 years, he could be worth more than $22 million open market.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
What are the odds that Pujols will pull a McGwire?
In the sense of opting out of money he knows he won’t be able to earn?
Boog would have made that play.
Not too bad I think
I can’t imagine him sitting on the bench for 2-3 years merely to collect a paycheck. He seems to have a very strong sense of pride.
everyone has a strong sense of pride until 22 million dollars are at stake
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I agree, I'm not sure I could do it
But Mac walked away from a lot of money, and I’m hoping Albert would do the same if he can’t play anymore. I’m not sure he would, but 40 year old Albert may act a bit differently than 31 year old Albert is now acting.
A year or two ago, I'd say odds would be pretty good that he would "pull a McGwire,"
but now after the past year (especially the past month) I’m not so sure. I think he’d be too much about the money to do something like McGwire did.
and yet people continue to hate mcgwire
WHY?!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Did you not read my thing
about the anti-drug commercial? Drugs is, is bad.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
i confess,
i skipped straight to the comments.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Wow.
Way to hit a guy where it hurts, IHB.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
i'll go back and read it, i just didn't want to get too far behind
veb is a bitch to catch up to
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
That won't mend my heart.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
you'd just leave her for a blender, or an orange.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I've been found out.
Oh, the perils of posting your proclivities in public…
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
okay so i haven't seen that commercial, but i can say i'm as shocked as you by the idea that rooftop jumping is offered as a healthy alternative to doing drugs.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Here
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I like the
disclaimer. Do not attempt…. you have to go through the slums and drug filled streets to get to school.
Because Matheny
Don't look at me
I don’t mind McGwire. People hate McGwire, not because of his character/personality, but because they feel guilty that they cheered for and supported a steroid user (even though deep down they knew he was using steroids). They feel as though they were cheated and all of the amazing memories were just a lie.
Here's the plan...
In 2019, 2020, and 2021 seasons I propose that, instead of watching and commenting on the floundering, hamstrung Cardinals, we watch the 2001, 2006, and 2011 seasons (and 2004 if we have the time).
One game per day.
That will keep us busy and make it seem worthwhile.
Boog would have made that play.
Unless they're planning on going all Marlins on us
and signing Pujols AND Fielder to 10-year deals, nothing to indicate they’ll be hamstrung. Let alone floundering.
i have to class for an hour...
i expect 400 new comments when i return, and that’s if he doesn’t sign.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yes this joke is funnier today than it was yesterday
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 7, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
wow i tried to rec this, and both the rec and flag buttons completely disappeared
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
by IHeartBoog on Dec 7, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you're an asshole, you know that.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
At least I'm funny!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
you're actually just kind of a brat, which is what a lot of my (female) friends refer to me as.
in real life, of course.
VEP is an asshole.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
...
Royal: I’ve always been considered an asshole for about as long as I can remember. That’s just my style. But I’d really feel blue if I didn’t think you were going to forgive me.
Henry Sherman: I don’t think you’re an asshole, Royal. I just think you’re kind of a son of a bitch.
Royal: Well, I really appreciate that.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I love that movie.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
it is so, so good.
that one scene makes me close my eyes, though.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Marlins mistake? Nobody puts Albert in a corner
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions
did you know he's the voice of lumiere in "beauty and the beast"?
Freaked my shit out when I heard that. Can never wartch the movie without seeing Lennie Briscoe as a walking candlestick.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 7, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fucking hell
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 7, 2011 3:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wiiiz my fawr canduhhlsteeeex
You only did it so that you could wear terry underwear and feel the city air run past your body
Ah the Pujols birthers are in full force on Twitter
“why give him ten years, he won’t be good at 45”
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions
Pirates get Bedard
remember when the Pirates were in 1st place, lol
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions
I was happy for them.
It’s like the part of the game where I’m letting my nephew win, until I decide he’s had his fun and CRUSH HIM AND LAUGH.
#bestuncleever
by Pegasus on Dec 7, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
at least they got to play spoiler.
that’s two more things than the cubs did.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
Yeah i liked this one (sorry for the size)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Am I the only one who notices how small that hat is
I swear Albert’s head is not shaped liketht
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 7, 2011 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...
@KenDavidoff #Mets have been told they’ll receive the #Marlins’ 2nd-round pick in 2012 draft, not 3rd-round, as compensation for Reyes.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
this would appear to mean the marlins are indeed out on pujols
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Not necessarily
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
o_o
you are still rooting for the marlins aren’t you
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Not really
But notifying the Marlins that Reyes is higher rated than Bell doesn’t mean that they’re out on Pujols
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
that is correct.
i thought you were just responding generally, like the marlins could still be in on it. they aren’t.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Is this because Bell is rated lower than Reyes...
or some kind of post hoc intervention by mlb to make it all more “fair”?
Sign Roy O
Bell was ranked higher than Reyes
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Officially?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Elias ranked him higher
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/official-elias-rankings.html
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
That's kind of weird then, that they'd give the Mets the 2nd rounder
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Originally the Mets were pushed back to third
Because Bell was higher and the Marlins 1st round was protected. But relievers no longer got 1st round picks but the Mets was still pushed back to the third round pick. Commish just bumped them up.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Mets need it more than the Padres
apparently.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Looks like Uncle Bud invented a rule...
Now the Padres will get a newly created pick just before the Marlins’ scheduled second-round pick as part of the compensation for Bell. The Mets are due the second-rounder…. for now anyway. There’s no word yet on what will happen if the Marlins sign Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder. Previously, such a move would have knocked the Mets’ pick from the third round down to the fourth round.
Sign Roy O
@JimBowdenESPN
Larry Beinfest wouldn’t comment on Pujols returning to Cards but gave us strong impression with body language that the ship has sailed XM 89
There is speculation that Pujols announcement could be delayed until tomorrow so that they can fly him in for press conference… stay tuned
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
the ship has sailed meaning for the marlins or the cardinals?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
so is that good or bad for the cards?
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
here's to smooth sailing
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
i looked up larry beinfest
and it all made sense. without knowing who he is the tweet doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
'ship?' that sounds like the pirates. Why so cryptic?
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Dec 7, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Spaceship.
He really has signed with the Astros.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
The fans here will still boo him.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
NNNNNNOOOOOOoooo
i can’t wait a whole additional day
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
official announcement would be delayed.
i think we’ll know before the official announcement, though. we knew with reyes a whole two days “early”.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
fly him in now
stl to dallas is what a couple hours?
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
They have to do last checks on his new private jet before it takes off for its maiden voyage
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
i actually did this
when Rainsface leaked the Cards’ team plane flight #. I even got the one night they hit a storm and had to circle around St. Louis before landing
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I"m thinking it was Y2S who really snapped that picture of Albert in his underoos
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would not have missed such a glaring detail.
people posting pics of their rooms and faces, on the other hand……
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have the entire season in flight miles and flight paths. well, missing a couple of flight paths, but it's guestimation.
no time to convert it to a spreadsheet, though. and now the computer’s slowed up to the point where I shouldn’t attempt an animated gif.
I was inspired by FlipFlop’s similar map.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
originally i think i wanted to prove how stupid the west coast hops were.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
can't someone just tweet us the details?
who gives a flying f about the official announcement? DETAILS PLS
by hr on Dec 7, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Where the hell is he, New Zealand?
He can’t get to Dallas today?
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Albert Pujols is currently on his home planet of Ridiculousness
it takes a day travelling at the speed of light to get back to earth
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN
A SHIP CAN BE NAUTICAL OR BIRD RELATED AAAAHHHH
FINGER-SNAPS
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 7, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
give him the money, sign the contract, let's move on
pitchers and catchers will report in less than two months. we have a championship to defend. it will definitely be good to have this behind us so we can all get down to second-guessing matheny’s every move
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
some guy on twitter posted this. What do you think?
35 (5 deferred), 32×2 (2 deferred), 25, 20×3, 10×3 = 214 million, 10 years. Get it done.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions
Because he's more likely to be "worth" his contract the entire way through
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
but whether or not he will be worth the contract
is determined based on his performance over the length of the contract, not his performance year to year.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
There are different ways to evaluate it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Thank god these people exist...
otherwise my graduate education would be truly worthless.
Sign Roy O
It appeals to the fairness instinct...
the idea that Pujols is worth a lot now and a little later, so the pay should match up.
Sign Roy O
I'd prefer to have a front loaded contract.
Give me that money so I can use it to make more money.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
As long as the player is willing to sign, I really do not see the reasoning behind front-loaded contracts.
Assuming there is a NTC — there’s a perception that you’re “paying less for the declining years”, but you’re still paying the same total, you’re just paying more of it when the dollar is worth more (or should be, who knows what will happen), and you’re also paying more when a potential injury could void those later years.
WWCD? CDGAF.
from a pure money standpoint, front-loaded contracts are bad for the team.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
It's a mystery.
We should get Shaggy and the gang to look into this.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
LORIA WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT TOO
IF IT WEREN’T FOR THOSE MEDDLING KIDS
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 7, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the only mystery is which STDs Lozano is currently infecting call girls with
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
That's not a mystery.
The answer is all of them.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, there was.
Ben Stiller was on it. Tom Waits built them a tank. It was kind of awesome.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec!
Loved that movie, even if Paul Reubens was in it (although super-flatulence might be a pretty cool power to have)
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Dec 7, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
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THE CARDINALS WERE THE MYSTERY TEAM.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
The contract offers are coming from inside the organization!
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
@Bightengale:
The #Marlins still in on Pujols, which has been confirmed. #mlb
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
correction: @BNightengale
question: is he a lozano guy?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I think I've seen that suggested.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
this is all too confusing
i can’t tell which way the mo is moving right now.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
If you accept the premise that Nightengale is a Lozano guy,
it seems that Lozano may be using him to push back against the reports of Pujols going to the Cardinals having momentum.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nightengale is Lozano's mouthpiece
Proceed with caution.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I would get tested if I were him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yes, I was looking for sex puns with that comment.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Tigers in three?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 7, 2011 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh good.
@Buster_ESPN Source: Pujols’s side is trying to extract every possible nickel in offer from MIA; would then be in position to take that to StL for last
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Hasn't this been the play all along for Lozano?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
it was his play, and he played it.
now he’s playing it again.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
It's his greatest hit.
It would be like The Verve Pipe not playing “The Freshmen” twice at a concert.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
would that just be a 2 song concert?
I didn’t know they even wrote other songs.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Third Eye Blind had other top 40 hits!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
didn't they release a single of Fresman
that had like six remixes of the song?
Grit != flat out sucking.
hastn't this been the play all along for every sports agent to ever work a deal?
Grit != flat out sucking.
If the Cards really offered 10/222,
Then it seems like a mistake to try to push further, assuming MO can channel Walter and know when it’s time to draw a line in the sand here, dude.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Eh, they'll push until the Cards say no.
Can’t fault them for that.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
@DatDudeBP Congrats to my homeboy Jose Reyes! Please @Marlins let him keep the hair! Dont wanna see #Wayman from #ALowDownDirtyShame playin SS #NoBueno
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i know he's Brandon Phillips and all...
but I don’t think I can hate him.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
He doesn't.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Leach has weighed in.
A Major League source said flatly on Wednesday that the Marlins are not out of the bidding, and a second source said that "the door is not closed." But Miami’s front office has begun pursuing other options, including an aggressive push for free-agent left-hander Mark Buehrle.
That doesn’t necessarily mean that the Marlins will not sign Pujols, but it has been clear for some time that Miami desired a quick resolution and is willing to move on if it is not able to reel in the superstar.
MLB Hot Stove Blog (with sweet flamey header).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Matthew Leach:
@MatthewHLeach #StLCards may have clearer line on Pujols " MLB.com Hot Stove Blog bit.ly/rVhqfq
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
This is fitting...well not really.
D-Day (Bruce McGill): War’s over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter (Tim Matheson): [whispering] Germans?
Boon (Peter Riegert): Forget it, he’s rolling.
Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough… [thinks hard] the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go! [runs out, alone; then returns] What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer -
Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let’s do it.
Bluto: LET’S DO IT!!
by OKCardsfan on Dec 7, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
According to Verducci
Marlins offer 6 year deal to C.J. wilson.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions
They are unhinged...
and I think their team isn’t going to be that good. Reyes, Bell, and Wilson/Buehrle doesn’t get them near the playoffs and in a few years these guys will be broken down or gone.
Sign Roy O
they finished thirty games behind the phillies.
all other things equal, i don’t think that EVEN with the addition of pujols they win the nl east.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
but Stanton is on the upswing
and whatnot
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 7, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Matthew Leach: Cardinals have NOT gone to 10 years
Previous post updated with additional info on #StLCards offer. Source says #StLCards have not gone 10 yrs: http://bit.ly/rVhqfq
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
relevant quote:
St. Louis presented a new offer to Pujols’ agent, Dan Lozano, on Tuesday. That offer reportedly reached 10 years, but a Major League source indicated that a deal of that length was never presented by the Cardinals.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
St. Louis presented a new offer to Pujols’ agent, Dan Lozano, on Tuesday. That offer reportedly reached 10 years, but a Major League source indicated that a deal of that length was never presented by the Cardinals.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
It seems that Leach posted, then had a source get back to him, and updated.
What qualifies as “a Major League source” for a stlcardinals.com writer?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Was wondering the same thing
And I trust Leach more than I trust basically any other writer
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Perhaps Team Albert realized
That a 10-year deal from Miami without a no-trade clause is not a sure 10-year deal.
by olddomination on Dec 7, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Check stltoday.com around midnight...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
BUT NOT GOING TEN YEARS MEANS THEY MIGHT'VE GONE TO ELEVEN AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If I had to guess, the contract proposed does not have ten guaranteed years but could go ten years with options.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
is there a limit for how many option years you can attach to a contract?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 7, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Why woulld they go to eleven?
Couldn’t they have just gone to ten and made it more expensive?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
because it's a numerically significant humorous morsel
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You screwed up the joke.
I was trying to lead you to the next part.
“The Cardinals offered eleven. That’s more than ten.”
“Well why didn’t they just go to ten but offer more money?”
“The Cardinals offered eleven.”
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
oh, well you know me and math.
i’m just hopeless
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
@JimBowdenESPNxm:
Marlins clearly have moved on from Pujols…chasing Buehrle, Wilson & Fielder according to mulitple sources
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i remain cautious.
if i assume pujols is back and he isn’t it’s going to hurt a lot more than if i pretend he’s already gone and he actually is back.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
sounds like a plan
of desperation. which, let’s face it, maybe what it takes to bring baseball to south florida. they’ve got a ton riding on the next couple of seasons.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
In addition to the need to attract new fans
perhaps this external investigation has prompted MLB/Selig to tell them they better hike payroll dramatically?
it would be awesome if the marlins would just go ahead and sign someone else so lozano can stop with the back and forth nonsense
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
yeah, fielder needs to be grabbing that deal now
throw in some suzy-q’s marlins, and make it happen!
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
You mean like CJ Wilson?
Multiple sources tell me and @jonmorosi that C.J. Wilson has 6-year offer from #Marlins, confirming report by Tom Verducci. #MLB
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
no one knows anything.
is that what i’m hearing right now?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:19 PM EST reply actions
actually, this guy named Sources seems to be the life of the party right now
by hr on Dec 7, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marketshare/2011/12/06/st-louis-doesnt-suck/
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions
for the lazy:
- St. Louis has affordable housing
- St. Louis has a collection of outstanding education resources
- St. Louis has a strong employment base
- St. Louis has rich cultural resources
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
STL has Ted Drewes
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
STL has the Cardinals
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 7, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
i really do not know how it is that much better than another
frozen custard place
ducks
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i think it is a st louis native thing
like st louis style pizza and fried ravioli and gooey butter cake.
ted drewes is very good custard, but i’ve had comparable custard other places. it’s a fun experience if you go with people, definitely. but the BEST THING EVAR is a little much.
the city museum, however, is the best thing ever.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
No.
St Louis style pizza is awful.
Ted Drewe’s is awesome.
Fried Ravioli and Gooey Butter cake, while fine, do not compare to Ted Drewe’s.
Also, the City Museum is a funky, one-of-a-kind amazing place.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 7, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Take back what you say about St. Louis Pizza
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
You live in SoCal right?
What other places? Where are they hiding!?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
ha
i haven’t been to a frozen custard place in southern california. it seems more a midwest thing. we do frozen yogurt out here.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Well, that explains it
Frustard > Frogurt
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 7, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
what the fuck abbreviations are these?
and i would agree that custard is better than yogurt as a dessert. not trying to compare the two.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
He means Froyo
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
The frogurt is also cursed
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Dec 7, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's bad.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 7, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But you get your choice of topping!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
The topping contains potassium benzoate
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Dec 7, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
o_o
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That's bad.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was going to say, I've never seen a frozen custard place in SoCal in all my years
Well, my dad, a former St. Louisan, found one that we went to when I was in town or Thanksgiving. Not at all the same.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
There's one near Wash U that's nearly as good as Ted Drewes
Mr. Wizard? Does that sound right?
I grew up on Ted Drewes, thinking it was a special treat. But at some point I realized it’s not that amazing.
St. Louis style pizza, though…can’t get that shit anywhere else.
thankfully.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Waldo Pizza in KC has St. Louis pizza
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I would have gone with cheesy cardboard
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Imo's
actually used to be better. I’m not sure what happened. I have to ask for mine well done to get close to how it used to be. I like the Fortel’s in Affton only.
I actually don't mind STL pizza
with the right toppings, anything is good
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
alright, tier that shit up.
pizza toppings, go
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Greek sausage: god
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Whatever fang likes: shit
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
wow, rui.
wow.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Awfully sensitive today, broski
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
sorry....
sometimes i forget i’m VEB punching bag.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
fight back, kid.
don’t let them treat you that way.
/loves instigating shit
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 7, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
God tier
pineapple
pepperoni (i miss this)
pesto
mozzarella
garlic
goat cheese
Good tier
bell peppers
mushrooms
salami
olive oil
Shit tier
olives
sausage
anchovies
provel
onions
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
i feel like we did this a while ago
i remember talking about olives and calling them monkey sphincters
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
you are missing two big ones.
hint: they’re meats
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Bacon!
Ham!
Also, how are onions in the Tieriot? Count me out on pesto.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
good job.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks!
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Oh and chicken goes in the God Tier
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
bacon is fucking gross on pizza.
ham is in god tier. sorry i missed it.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
wow.
i agree with this as well.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
it's been a while,
so it was hard for me to remember what meats go on pizza. heh
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I wouldn't say it's gross
but it’s not that great. I’d rather have a supreme or bbq chicken or just a pepperoni. For pizza, idk if it fits in the God Tier.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
favourite pizza ever
was a simple pesto pizza i had in florence.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm just not crazy about pesto.
I can eat it, but it’s not something I’d order on purpose.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
i'm with you on that
it’s one of those flavors that i can’t quite acquire. same with curry.
don’t hate it, tho.
Also missing salami
and wrong about onions and (if done correctly) anchovies.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
yes.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I must have blacked out when I didn't see it in the Pujols tier.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
add arugula and prosciutto to the god tier please
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
god tier:
artichokes
peppers
onions
sausage of almost any variety (including pepperoni)
fresh mozz
basil
white clam
great tier:
eggplant
pesto
good tier:
black olives
bacon
meatball
bbq chicken
meh tier:
mushrooms
feta
spinach
tieriot:
pineapple
ham
it's literally the greatest thing ever.
The white clam pie is crust, olive oil, oregano, grated cheese, chopped garlic, and fresh littleneck clams. Since then, the white clam pie has become the signature pizza among the New Haven pizzerias, who try to discourage any customers from ordering it with mozzarella.
god this sounds good.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I made that exact thing pretty much except with pasta instead of pizza.
SO GOOD.
RP’s gf pasta is wonderful, btw.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
This is bizarre
I had a professor a couple weeks ago go off on a tangent about pizza in new haven, about how it’s unique and delicious and there is some sort of division on which is better in the area: pepe’s or sally’s
Now that I have gotten this information from 2 different random sources, I really want one
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 7, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Pepe's and Sally's are the two classics
but i personally think Modern Apizza is actually the best. i’d give Sally’s a tiny edge personally but they’re both great.
Sallys is good never had Pepes.
Grand Apizza is pretty good but I miss my st louis style imos…. :(
If you like baseball...you'll love my ROKU !!!
i go to school in illinois
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 7, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm considering telling people I went to school "in columbia" from now on
I’ll let them figure it out.
that one's a little less easily interpreted though
there are only three other universities in new haven and one of them’s a community college.
I went to school in LA
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Well you could include like Cal Poly Pomona
Or Claremont or one of those schools.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Claremont is, um, pretty well known
or maybe i’m just a liberal arts grad trying to make myself feel good by saying that
New Haven style pizza
is a thing. A real thing. They have wars.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'll send you the recipe when I get home if nobody hooks you up.
ricotta cheese, no pizza sauce.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
Check Food Network's site.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
ooh
that looks wonderful. personally, i’d replace the mozz with a lot of parm, but that’s my New Haven bias talking. the arugula is a fantastic touch, i’ve never had that but that’s what i’m doing the next time i make a clam pie.
agree on artichokes on basil
but how can you not like pineapple?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
pineapple is gross-
except on pizza.
haha you have the exact opposite opinion as me.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
The one by my house in u city
is amazing. Any time I order delivery, it’s at my house in less than 20 minutes, without fail.
I WANT SOME IMO'S RIGHT NOW DAMMIT
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like to get some IMO's pizza when I go to St. Louis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
as do i.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit.
though if i remember correctly you said you’re not coming back to saint louis this christmas, so i can’t blame you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not from STL originally anyway
So it’s rare that I get back regardless. I was only in town for a business presentation.
FWIW Bobby Flay cited Ted Drewes as his favorite Sweet Treat
On one of those “Best Thing I Ever Ate” shows on Food Network.
and it makes the Travel Channel's big 100 list
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it should be noted that il rosso is egregiously particular about things.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
everybody forgets about the greatest invention since the wheel
WAFFLE CONES! Just think about how much a part of life those have been since they were created.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 7, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I've been to other frozen custard places
It’s not the same, at all. Not at any of the ones I’ve been to.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
About 20 years ago...
My Dad and Uncle took my cousins and I to Ted Drewes before and after a game. We still talk about our “double header” to this day. (I didn’t/don’t live in STL, so it’s still a treat for me.)
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 7, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
If only their were some sort of guide to the city available
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 7, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
there
also, why is fang reccing this when you have clearly not done subjunctive better
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
apparently Forbes doesn't hire decent headline writers.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
summing up for those who are working
- tweets about cards going ten yrs
-tweets denying said ten yrs
-tweets marlins out
-tweets marlins are not out
-tweets marlins are def not out
-tweets the ship has sailed
i miss anything?
Finger snap
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 7, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
i'll give that a merit badge for summing up
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Marlins offered CJ Wilson 6 years.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
so miami has proposed a 6 year deal to cj wilson?
wtf is going on
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
madness and a complete breakdown of society
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Breaking:
Marlins have added last of the v-8 interceptors to Pujols deal.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Interceptors?
The Laughing Man? MOTOKOOOOOOO!
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
This process has somehow made me be ecstatic by 9 years
When a month ago I was hoping for no more than 7
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 7, 2011 3:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
that's exactly how this sort of negotiation works.
“we’d like fifteen years”.
“no way, we’d prefer seven”.
“fifteen”.
“i don’t think this will work”.
some time later
“we’ll go as low as ten”.
“what a great deal!”
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
slightly off-topic:
i listened to kevin goldstein’s last full length podcast (episode 73, i think; the podcast is called up and in) and he had an interview with jeff passan.
a couple things i learned:
a) passan is pronounced passen, not pah-san
b) passan is a pretty funny guy
i like him a lot more after hearing him talk and reading his articles during the playoffs this year.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
most be, is yes
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 7, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It does look like he's trying to diagram a sentence doesn't it?
Ask me about the death of five hookers and how Craig James was allegedly involved.
by IsayPetrinoYouSayPaterno on Dec 7, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not an English major
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I'm now stupider.
Didn’t think that was possible.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
distillery pujols contract Cardinals
whiskey
Ask me about the death of five hookers and how Craig James was allegedly involved.
by IsayPetrinoYouSayPaterno on Dec 7, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
New from twitters
This is going to be dragged out all day. Nobody at VEB should expect to get any of their hw, papers, dissertations, or any other sort of work done today. #faketweets
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
WHICH IS AWESOME CUZ I DON'T HAVE ANY
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
he won't high five you back
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
me three
and I have a group taking another one right now.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 7, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
So
the cardinals HAVE resigned Albert Pujols. But noone knows how or what?
Is this an accurate summation of events thus far?
Bursting into song.
Maybe
nobody knows
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Unless this is to be believed:
Cardinals sign Pujols to secret contract, allow Marlins to pay first 5 yrs for rights to Pujols for home opener in new stadium. #mayhem
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
It is a lot happier around here compared to this time yesterday
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 7, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions
Where did this come from
I just heard this on a west coast radio station:
Marlins 10 yrs 260M
Angels 10 yrs 220M
Cubs 10 yrs 220 M
Cardinals 10 yrs 220M
It was stated as fact. Anyone else hear anything like this?
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Dec 7, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions
I don't think Cardinals even offered 10 years
Per Leach, Who I actually trust
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 7, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
you're drinking already?!
GD it.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Sherry isn't drinking.
It’s chilling out.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
It's criminal not more Americans drink the stuff. All kinds of wonderful.
On the other hand, the lack of demand keeps prices reasonable.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I can make that work. That means less brown liquor
and more tequila.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
just not some beers. I'll make sure I use
gluten-free beer for the soup.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I bought my neice a bottle
of Amontillado after we had a long discussion of Poe’s short stories. She loves it, so that’s one more.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 7, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
i'm working on it.
but we’re grassroots, people. join the movement. (no link)
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
i had a digestif
in greece that tasted like all manner of garden herbs. does anyone have any idea what it might be?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Wish I knew, but all I know that's greek is Ouzo.
Did you try Retsina when you were there? Weird stuff.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
ouzo tastes like liquorice.
ricard tastes like liquorice.
absinthe tastes like liquorice.
needs moar variety. are there different flavors of ouzo?
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
well, ricard is a brand name of pastis.
which is by definition anise-flavored. there are different ouzos that are more herbaceous depending on locality.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Retsina is really interesting
I do kind of like it but I don’t know if I would want to drink it all the time. I mean, wine that taste like pine trees? It just seems weird.
I really liked the first couple of sips I ever had of it,
and no subsequent ones.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
oh, i forgot to answer this.
yes i had retsina. no, i’m not sure what i thought of it.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
Like drinking a pine tree?
Yes it is. Acquired taste my foot.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
nice riff on fine wine.
thatsthejoke.jpg
i was like “ooh, interesting. hmmm. oh, it keeps tasting like that. hmmm. yeah, um, it’s very nice. no i’ll not have another, thank you.”
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
some kind of amaro no doubt.
but could be anything. lots of different ouzos
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's true. It could be some good local Ouzo. It doesn't have to be just anise.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
He didn't say it was greek, just he was in greece.
It’s allowed out of the country.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
i was under the impression it was a traditional
greek liqueur.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
but the description of the flavour sounds right.
it was a bit spicey, strong parsley flavour initially, and then it sort of mellowed.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
And wear smoking jackets
while doing so. The Victorians did get a few things right.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 7, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm all about the port
but you’re right about sherry – it’s under-rated.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 7, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
the thousand injuries of yours i have borne as best i could
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts -- for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang
http://battingcleanupmlt.blogspot.com/
by EinFesteBusch on Dec 7, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Sullivan has this gem at Lookout Landing regarding Fielder negotiations.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
TEN YEARS
TWELVE YEARS
TWELVE YEARS AND A HELICOPTER
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 7, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Guys, if Pujols doesn't resign.... Maybe we weren't the best fans in baseball all along.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
that has to be it
and then when he comes back and gets booed, announcers: so much for the best fans in baseball
because TLR
Fake tweet:
St Louis – Pujols negotiations stymied because the fans there are not as good as the fans in South Florida
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
...is this real?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 7, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
you're the asian. you tell us.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 7, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
it sure is adorable.
but i thought pandas were known for aggressive behavior (disclaimer: I completely made that up.)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Is that you and Pablo Sandoval?
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Dec 7, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
doesn't look mature
and airlines often require passengers in the exit rows to be at least 15 years old. QED, not real.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 7, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently real
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
god rui, talk about asking for it.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
you should know, aren't you sitting right there?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
John Mabry has a panda bear?
wat?
Lefty Grove isn't interested in your pitch counts.
http://www.rallybirds.wordpress.com
by mynameistyler on Dec 7, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
NY Daily News: Albert Pujols appears headed back to the St. Louis Cardinals....
….prompting the Miami Marlins to switch their attention for a bigtime slugging first baseman to Prince Fielder, the Daily News has learned.
for what it’s worth
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
oh ok
sounds like you know exactly what you’re talking about
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
used to live in Norwalk
and manhattan, midtown east. i actually liked the daily news. thought it was much better than the ny post, at any rate.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
anyway, where in southern CT?
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
lived near there for a couple months
before getting closer in to the city. commuted on the metro north from the new haven station for a month. not fun
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
loved living in NYC
would stayed, but we got started on a family, and it was too expensive for that
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
i hear ya i won't stake my life on what the daily news reports about pujols
on any other paper or website or
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
does not have the words "slayfest" or "hooker" in headline: not a real NYDN article
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
Remember the Daily News has it out for the Cardinals
Hanging onto the Ankiel HGH story until he became relevant.
by olddomination on Dec 7, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Cards presser at 4p CST
@Cardinals St. Louis Cardinals
Mo scheduled to address media at 4 PM CST. Sources say Chris Monroe has agreed to a 3YR/$90k contract to be Fredbird
i mean, you think it's a shitty wage
but he only works half the time (home games) during half the year (baseball season)
i got mine yesterday! woooo
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Whoa whoa whoa I missed out on whiskey stones?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You sons and daughters of bitches
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
even me!
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
how did you miss this?
you must be one of the few regulars who didn’t buy them.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
I DON'T KNOW BUT I'M PISSED
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
they were on woot
they’ll be back around soon. The night vision goggles were back up yesterday for the same price.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I bought a set and I don't even drink!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
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Disclaimer: I don’t even know what whiskey stones are but I was here when they were 5 $!
by hr on Dec 7, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
oh damn
mets GM (in repsonse to reyes saying they didn’t want himt): If you’re asking me if I should have sent him (Reyes) a box of chocolates, maybe I should have done that….a box of chocolates doesn’t cost 106 million dolars
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 3:56 PM EST reply actions
exact quote was
"If you’re asking me if I should have sent him a box of chocolates, perhaps I should have done that. On the other hand, it wouldn’t have cost $106 million."
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
HEY MAN!
Jon_Heyman Jon Heyman
#marlins heavy activity with wilson (reported 6 year offer) and talk with prince clear sign given up on pujols
a very unfortunate thing
I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards
it shouldn't be
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 7, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
disagree
pizza w/ mozz is superior, but a great broccoli white pizza? yes, a lil cheese improves but it’s great without.
I disagree. One of the great things about pizza is that there are infinite ways to do it.
I’ve made a lot of cheeseless pizzas, and they can be really good.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I agree that Pizza can be made in any combination
but my love of cheese means that you can’t take it away
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 7, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Holy Hell...HEY SEND HIM HERE!
@Buster_ESPN: Source: Hanley Ramirez’s rep asked the Marlins for a restructured deal. MIA upset with this, will now be looking to trade Hanley (more).
holy hell hanley would be a good fit here.
holy hell we don’t have the cash.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
hanley better shape up in that clubhouse
berk can’t magic everything with his smile
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Smooth move, Marlins.
Acquire an expensive player not at a position of need, creating foreseeable problems with your cornerstone player, whose trade value happens to be at its lowest ebb.
Insane
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
If the Marlins can trade Hanley and his salary- he’s owed $46 million over the next three seasons-their hope is to use that $ on Fielder.
by dan on Dec 7, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
desparation
and some awfully frenetic moves here. why not just up offer to albert? and why, why, try to force everything to happen in a span of five days? they are shooting themselves.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
Well... a year ago today, 25 teams would have been scrambling to make that trade.
They won’t get nearly as much back as they should (or could have, anyway) if they trade him now, but somebody out there would take it on.
don't worry, guys, ozzie guillen will keep the peace with his stable personality.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
a short play.
LORIA. What’s the latest on Pujols?
BEINFEST. It’s not looking good. He’s meeting with the Cardinals again.
LORIA. I thought we offered more money.
BEINFEST. We did.
LORIA. And more years?
BEINFEST. Yes, that too.
LORIA. You showed him pictures of the new uniforms, right?
BEINFEST. We actually gave him a life-sized wall decal of himself. In the uniform. At your behest.
LORIA. And how did he react?
BEINFEST. He laughed.
LORIA. GREAT! He saw the aquarium behind homeplate on the tour?
BEINFEST. Yes.
LORIA. And we ran the homerun sculpture for him.
BEINFEST. We did. He threw up. His daughter loved it, though. Lozano, too.
LORIA. Well, then, there it is. See if he likes Joe’s Crab Shack. Tell him free meals for life there.
BEINFEST. Okay.
LORIA. Also, a lot of Hawaiian shirts. Just – just give him a couple hundred complimentary Hawaiian shirts.
BEINFEST. Got it.
LORIA. And, ah… he knows that we’re close to Cuba?
BEINFEST. You mean the Dominican Republic?
LORIA. The island. Where he’s from.
BEINFEST. Yes, I think he knows, sir.
LORIA. Well, I’m tired of waiting. Go offer C.J. Wilson a year and 10 million over whatever you consider reasonable. Buehrle, too. And ask Prince Fielder if he speaks Spanish.
BEINFEST. All right.
LORIA. Tell him it’s important. Tell him Pujols speaks Spanish.
BEINFEST. He probably knows. Already.
LORIA. Well, good. Then maybe he’ll learn faster.
BEINFEST. …
LORIA. I’m going to Six Flags.
by RedbirdAvenger on Dec 7, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions 30 recs
It could've used a splash of Rosetta Stone.
But I’ll rec it.
by Ghostrider520 on Dec 7, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Please talk about something out u guys make people sleep whit hanley jose and the marlins
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ill give it my best shot.
Please talk about something else, you guys. You are putting me to sleep with all this hanley, jose, and the “marlins going crazy” talk.
How in the world will you deal with waiting on jury verdicts in the future?
Maybe you’re not getting into litigation
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I HAVE CARDINALS GAMES TO WATCH HURRY UP WITH THE DAMN VERDICT
I DON’T EVEN CARE. MY CLIENT PLEADS GUILTY
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Over at Fish Stripes they have 268 comments in a thread entitled "Rampant Pujols Speculation Thread."
It made me kind of sad.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Or New Haven!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
is 268 a non-RDP record?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 7, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Next step...
Carlos Martinez and Matt Adams for Hanley Ramirez….because I’m ready to stop thinking about Albert and starting thinking about how we’re gonna fill the vacuum in our MIF.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
We could move the team to Miami.
Apparently it’s very lucrative.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 7, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously Albert
It’s RB post day. Make it happen.
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
fESPN:
DALLAS — The Miami Marlins have emotionally moved on from Albert Pujols, and assume he is signing elsewhere, presumably with the St. Louis Cardinals, sources told ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney.
They’ve emotionally moved on, but the physical relationship continues until they offer somebody else a contract.
The Marlins’ life is so empty…
Quitters.
Does Albert really want to get involved with a bunch of quitters? With that new information, I recommend moving back to the original eight-year, $186 million deal.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
OT: When's the android version of the sbnation app coming? This bookmark on my homescreen is sad looking
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 4:26 PM EST reply actions
poor webOS
I’m glad Google snatched up Matias Duarte
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
considering ICS is on one phone that’s really only available in the UK, and considering the fact that ICS will run on tablets and phones and adapt based on screen size (one development tree) fragmentation won’t be a thing to worry about. Blame manufacturers for putting their bloated crap and the carriers for not pushing out updates.
Also the latest platform version chart:
Showing that the majority of phones are on gingerbread or 2.2 (2.2 being the main version that newer apps usually require)
And just for the record there is fragmentation in android, it’s called the fragments api which you can read about here
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
i really don't understand any of this post
but i’ll just point out that the carriers are the people i am blaming in this case.
i mean i just don't really aare about fragentation
i care about what’s on my phone, not everyone else’s
fragmentation is a buzzword used by fanatics of other OS
to try and dilute Android’s popularity. All i know is If someone else’s choice of OS makes you angry and agitated, there’s something wrong with you
/just saying.
That being said, like I stated previously, the majority of apps, especially Google’s apps require only 2.2 so outside of OS added features, you aren’t missing much if you’re running 2.2 and not 2.3. Now 2.2 added JIT and if you were on 2.1 you’d definitely be missing out on some speed.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not too mention
that for the people who really and honestly care about what os their phone is running, they either buy as close to a stock phone as possible, choose a vendor with a good history of updates (HTC) or are aware of things like Cyanogenmod and the ROM Community
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't make me angry and agitated
i’m just pointing out that it really is too bad- ICS is a great OS.
Can't wait for the Cyanogenmod builds.
Want Nookie Ice Cream.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
gonna be awesome
CM team for the Samsung Captivate is already releasing alpha builds. It is looking really freaking sweet already..
> tebow
Carlos Matias Duarte?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
LOLLERSKATES
gordoszone Did Albert try to take an extra base again? RT @sportspickle: This is going to get really ugly if Pujols got the Marlins pregnant.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
by il rosso on Dec 7, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
great, i was trying to remove 'lollerskates' from my online vocabulary
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
buster olney fail?
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#Marlins prez Samson: Hanley did not ask for contract to be restructured. Hanley not getting traded. Hanley critical part of team. #MLB
marlins president like short sentences
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
HANLEY IS CRITICAL OF THE MARLINS!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 7, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd guess at least 2m/ yr.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I would like to remind people of a small but relevant quote
I deferred $2 million a year for the whole contract, and I would be willing, if they came to me and said, ‘Hey, this is what it’s going to take to get Albert done, would you do it again or do more?’ Scott [Boras] probably wouldn’t like me to stay that, but if that’s what it took, I would be willing to do that.
- Matthew “Tremendous” Holliday
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 7, 2011 4:34 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
i'm not sure why him gunning down a guy at the plate wasn't
but likely his injury and the tragic error had something to do with it
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Someone tell him to shut up and go count his money
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
every time he does, though, he sees moths
he’s going on hiatus to rehab from the trauma
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
btw
Are we allowed to tell Lego to count his money if Albert makes more than him?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
he'd have to count his money to make sure, right?
all of Albert’s money is going to God, he doesn’t need to count it.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's true
Albert is such a nice man, unlike that Matt Holliday
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
hey at least we have an outfielder who can count
unlike some teams
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm just hedging my bets
i’m sure someone will pause their flying car and upload it in the future
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in the future
there are no uploads. your brain will link to the cloud. sheesh. caveman.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
well of course not, but you think sbn would've caught up?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sbn?
you’ll live blog straight from your brain. your brain.
sbn, we hardly knew ye.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
he would, but his pinky is still hurting
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
it did take me three tries before "Holliday" stopped looking like a typo
between that and putting ‘s’ in my ‘freeze’…
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
good guy matt holliday
Cards fan in Seoul.
Albert Pujols is the hero st. louis deserves.
by letsgostlcardinals on Dec 7, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Who's up for Martinez/Cox/Taveras
for Hanley? Then try everything possible to trade Lohse/Westy to free up payroll and KMac and/or Lynn into the rotation.
Sign Roy O
Make them take Westy along with Martinez/Taveras/Adams.
like to keep cox if possible. i also have no real sense of what the market for hanley is like.
I'm sure someone is willing to clear the farm for him...
he’s a 4 or 5 win upgrade for a lot of teams signed to a 3/45 through his peak years. I’d probably add to Martinez/Cox/Taveras if it came down to it.
Sign Roy O
isn't hanley a headcase?
and the opposite of a team player?
has anything positive been said about his work ethic? ever?
is he a leader in any way, shape, or form?
i don’t think matheny and mo would have interest.
by RedbirdAvenger on Dec 7, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
He's also a 4-6 WAR shortstop
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
fangraphs says 1.3 WAR in '11.
it may spike back up – but that would require impressive player commitment, yeah?
being really good carries you to a certain point; then i think you have to give a damn.
by RedbirdAvenger on Dec 7, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
He also missed 60+ games
He has been dealing with a bum shoulder since 2010. Before that he was a 7 WAR player, regardless of attitude.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
he hit .243 last season, and arrived at camp weighing 240.
ostensibly because he doesn’t care much about the shape he’s in.
i’m not doubting his talent at all – i question whether or not the guy really cares.
by RedbirdAvenger on Dec 7, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Y'know, he's six weeks younger than I am.
And this year I gained about 20 pounds because my youthful metabolism all of a sudden abandoned me. I adjusted, and lost it.
Not saying I have any idea what’s going on with his diet and exercise regimens, but the fact that he gained a bunch of weight might just mean he needs to adjust to getting older and commit to staying in shape.
Or he might just not give a damn, I dunno. I do know that last year is a glaring outlier in his career, and I’m not close to ready to dismiss him as a star on the basis of a single season.
well, he "not cared" his way to
a .313 average over his career prior to last year, averaging 152 games played. And that’s just BA.
i'd like to reiterate: i think hanley is really good.
or, at least, SHOULD be really good.
i’m playing devil’s advocate regarding this last year and the decline in production + weight gain. whether is has any bearing on the future is completely debatable, but worth discussion, i think; it makes you blink.
by RedbirdAvenger on Dec 7, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
sure. but i could also easily make the argument that
the marlins bringing in a top flight replacement could motivate him to be better than ever, esp now that the shoulder injury isnt slowing him down.
i mean, he did get fat last year, and that can't have helped.
it’s valid to point out — i just think it’s too early to draw a conclusion.
I really just care about how he and the team play.
If he and the team play well because he works hard and inspires his teammates, fine. If he and the team play well because he is immensely talented and hits the ball, that’s fine too. I think his decline the last two years is more shoulder injury related. If Hanley can play an average SS/2B/CF and is healthy he’s like a 7 WAR guy.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
"is he a leader in any way, shape, or form?"
probably a good chance to lead the team in most offensive categories
Not I.
Bad defensive SS, production with bat has plummeted last two years, bad attitude, recovering from shoulder surgery.
It’s not necessarily a bad contract, but I’m not dying to trade three of the team’s top prospects or him.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
who is not at all mean or trolling
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, the bit.ly link isn' suspicious at all.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
gadel.me has to be the best of all
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 7, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone used ShadyURL?
It doesn’t just shorten, it also makes it suspicious
http://www.shadyurl.com/index.php?e=c
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Begin bank account foreign brides?
What kind of site did you link to?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
This is a family blog!
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Awww, I was hoping for a RickRoll
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
BREAKING NEWS
“I hate FlimtotheFlam. I want him to know that.” -Albert Pujols
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How long is Adams a Cardinal?
Ok, since it looks like Pujols is re-signing, how long does Adams stay a Cardinal?
Springfield News Leader reported some slimming down he is doing to be able to play the outfield.
But even if he is able to play a corner outfield position, it seems those are already committed to Craig and Holliday for 2013 and beyond.
So do the Cardinals immediately try and trade him for MI help?
Isn't Miami hot on him?
I think I read something about them regretting not being able to draft him.
by Cheeseballs on Dec 7, 2011 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
even if he's blocked by Craig and Holliday,
I think you can still keep him in a similar role as Craig’s 2011 role (4th OF / PH bat). Depending on his performance, then you either trade Craig who is becoming more expensive or you go ahead and trade Adams. No rush to trade him right now.
Have you ever seen Matt Adams?
No way he will ever play in a major league outfield.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 7, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
A few things
1) Can we think of a better way of anacronymising the Marlins, cause MIA makes me think that someone is missing in action
2) Talk to me about soccer and i will fucking kill you
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 7, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
City of Manchester's gonna be a fun place tonight!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I thought Brits liked soccer?
But I feel the same way. Boooooring.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
As to number 1)
Just come up with an alternative on your own, and let the VEB jury decide.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo.
We can tweak it, but it’s a good starting line.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
So you think Chelsea can catch ManCity?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sticking with MIA,
if only because Paper Planes plays in my head every time I see them listed anywhere.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 7, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
all i wanna do is and and take your money.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
MMOF
Miami Marlins of Florida
Teach Me How To Torty
by HollidaysofThunder on Dec 7, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it's totally not about the money
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Money's how you keep score.
I absolutely believe that for Pujols it’s not about money in the sense of “money can be exchanged for goods and services.” But it is about money as a stand-in for respect.
Plus there’s the whole principal-agent thing, where your rep in the negotiations is DEFINITELY all about money.
by Pegasus on Dec 7, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec for homer's thoughts
EXPLAIN HOW!
Winner of the prestigious 2011 MVL as presented by Alxfritz.
"You didn't win LOY, but you did win MVL, which is a prestigious award I just made up. And that’s something RiverRat can never take from you." - Alxfritz
This would make sense actually
on why there’s been no announcement.
He’s basically chosen StL but he’s hammering out the particulars before the final call
does he even have any leverage at this point?
no other teams are interested it seems. i think the marlins have clearly moved on.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Because he chose St. Louis
but he still wants to tweak the details
How dare you doubt the mysterious team of mysterious location.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
right why would we give him anymore
honestly you could argue we lessen out offer since the marlins are out now haha but pujols would probably go to the cubs for 10 years 1 thousand dollars out of spite if we did that.
Cash Rules Everything Around Me
CREAM. Get the money, dolla dolla bill y’all
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
well shit. edwin jackson is happy.
getting back to the simple life
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 7, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
All the people
so many people
they all go hand in hand
hand in hand for they’re
marlins contracts
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 7, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn't matter... he's gonna get traded before that's up
The Marlins don’t care how many years they give, its all the same to them
He could turn out to be pretty untradeable with that contract
I actually don’t think it’s the worst I’ve seen for a pitcher, he’s probably better than Randy Wolf and he’s younger than Derek Lowe, and it’s a similar sort of contract to what they got.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 7, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
so all that's left now is to look for a pen to hand Pujols
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
Wanna fly to Miami in a ROFLcopter
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 7, 2011 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
JEFFREY LORIA!
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Edwin Jackson
Anybody hear anything about him? Why isn’t his name being thrown around?
by Cheeseballs on Dec 7, 2011 4:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dodgers, Devil Rays, Tigers, Diamondbacks, White Sox, Cardinals
that’s a lot
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Because other, better options like CJ Wilson and, up until a few minutes ago, Buehrle
had not yet signed. Jackson will be signed after the best of the free agent starters are signed.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Over the next ten years can Pujols average 32 home runs and 98 rbis...
to become the career leader in both categories.
Sign Roy O
I wonder what the vesting options for Pujols will be....
Hopefully they’re rolling options for years 8-10 based on something like being Top 10 in the MVP voting.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 7, 2011 4:58 PM EST reply actions
I could be misremembering or flat wrong on this, but
I think maybe there’s a problem with tying option years (rather than bonus salary) to award voting — you can do plate appearances or counting stats or whatever, but not awards. But I could be wrong on that.
Albert Pujols gets $1 M bonus for every 10 HR he hits in years 2016-2021
Albert Pujols loses $500k for every 5 rundowns he gets caught in for no reason in years 2016-2021
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 7, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you can't do counting stats for sure
at least not under the old CBA. it can’t be based on performance
Wasn't ARod getting paid for hitting 600 HRs as a Yankee?
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 7, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, and i think they needed commish approval and it was all controversial
but they sold it as a marketing thing
perhaps milestones are different
that coulda been the dicsussion that miami had w/ commisioner’s office yesterday
it seems like PAs are way more problematic than performance because the manager could just bench you
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
waino's options were based on cy young standing weren't they?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
yes, top 5 Cy Young finish, iirc
I thought optional years could be tied to counting stats but I guess maybe not. Wasn’t some reliever’s option tied to saves?
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 7, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
ah, right
it was Rodriguez that I was thinking of, when he was traded to the Brewers last year.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 7, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Carlos Zambrano has a vesting option that pays him $18 million in 2013
if he places in top 3 of Cy Young voting in 2012
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 7, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling this Hot Stove's free agent pitching contracts will make us very thankful for the Carp extension.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Marlins just offered Carp 7Y/$90mm
He’s already signed with the Cards? The Marlins give zero fucks.
by dan on Dec 7, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
i remember reading buerhle was looking for 3/36
marlins give him 4/58. just so so bad.
middle of the rotation free agent SP and “closers” get such ridiculous money
Fielder spotted after meeting with Marlins
by dmiles on Dec 7, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
those must be Boca burgers?
I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards
"Hey, I've got these 2 dozen burgers ...
“You guys want anything before the waitress leaves?”
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Breaking
@punchinjudy: xbox live just finished a 2 hour update; no issues to report #thinkitwork’d
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 7, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
It was down last night
Was fixed by today. Mine is good too.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 7, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
sign now Albert, or that AAV might suddenly drop
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
of course they are
Jon_Heyman Jon Heyman
Guess what? I’m told marlins still trying for wilson even after landing buehrle (and reyes and bell). Talking to prince too
Smiley
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
this is going to be fucking hillarious in about 2 years
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 7, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
the Marlins are the monorail of baseball
I bet the stadium falls to pieces by August
I have a hate relationship with the Cardinals' roster makeup decisions. | Cards on Cards
by madding on Dec 7, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe they can get the ghost of Phil Hartman to sing a song while all the unpaid Marlins players leave the stadium for the last time.
Like a genuine, bona fide, electrified, six-car Marlins bail!
Is there a chance the budget could bend?
Not on your life, my overpaid friend!
WWCD? CDGAF.
by JStymie on Dec 7, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In two years, they could win the World Series.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
2 years? The world will end before 2 years is up. The fish have a jump on the rest of baseball.
I’m guessing Loria is behind the whole thing.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
we laugh, but i'd also be starting to sweat a little if i was a phillies fan
short term it’s just crazy enough to work
The Marlins have always been about
The short term
Hell, they’ve won the World Series both seasons they went for it—who’s to say this year isn’t their year, followed by roster dismantling and stadium implosion in 2013.
by olddomination on Dec 7, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
i'm beginning to wonder if they have a unique read into the CBA
that shows them that FA are significantly undervalued giving future draft/internation hamstrings
So they're going to sacrifice all of their draft picks in year one of the CBA?
Seems odd.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
true...well they just got a ruling today that reyes is 2nd rounder - initially reported as 3rd.
I haven’t heard what Buehrle would be, but should be a 3rd rounder at most. Don’t think Bell cost anything.
Do we know the reasoning behind forbidding the trade of draft picks?
I'm not sure what the reasoning is, but it hasn't ever made sense to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
(Probably because I don't know the reasoning.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 7, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
David Freese.....he's funny.
dfreese23 David Freese
Wait… Pujols is a free agent?!?! #dontknowanything
Always a fan, win or lose. Go Chiefs!
he says "young man" but that looks like a guy having a senior moment to me
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
yeah, I was about to say
what kind of “young man” has white hair like that?
by hr on Dec 7, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
The decision we've all been waiting for is close.
@jonmorosi:
Source: Octavio Dotel close to a decision between two teams.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
he will have the squirrel with him
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just realized that if you combine the spanish names of a turtle (tortuga) and a squirrel (ardilla)
you get “tortilla.” That is all.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 7, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, let's add this up
The Marlins, within the last week, have added Bell @$9/yr, Reyes @$17/yr and now Buerhle @$14.5/yr. Just with those three they’ve gone from a $57M payroll in 2011 to $97.5M in 2012 and are still “not out of the running” for Albert (or Prince) at $20+? I didn’t know Florida weed was that strong.
Miami is kinda a big cartel hub. They get all the best drugs.
But I’m thinking opium a more likely candidate.
by hangingfromatree on Dec 7, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
"Art dealer"
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
According to Stark, if either Wilson or Buerhle signed, that would end their pursuit of Pujols
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7327432/miami-marlins-plan-b-pitching-albert-pujols-says-no-sources-say
“One source said the Marlins have told both pitchers, as well as Pujols’ camp, that if the team is able to reach a deal Wednesday with one of their pitching targets, that would effectively end their pursuit of Pujols. Miami has made a 10-year offer to the free-agent first baseman that sources say would pay him more than $200 million and include provisions that would link Pujols to the Marlins beyond his playing career.”
Although I haven’t seen confirmation of this since Buerhle signed.
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