Stopping Short
by azruavatar on Dec 4, 2011 10:48 AM EST
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The Cardinals haven't had a consistent shorstop since David Eckstein nearly 5 years ago. Ignoring a brief and seemingly unwanted, commitment to Brendan Ryan, the team has shuffled through luminaries like Julio Lugo, Cesar Izturis and Khalil Greene in an effort to fill the position. Entering 2012, John Mozeliak will either need to acquire a new shortstop or convince his staff that a commitment to Tyler Greene is the best (read: least bad) option. The organization seems to have its farm system hopes pinned on the glove of Ryan Jackson who is still about a year away from being ready. Until then, here are the non-Greene options that present themselves for Mozeliak
Jimmy Rollins: Age - 33, 3 Year Cumulative WAR: 9.3, 2011 wOBA: .329, Bill James wOBA: .328
Danup outlined some reasons to want him to stay with the Phillies. Besides the loyalty factor of seeing a player end their career with the same team, Rollins has the baggage of looking for an insanely long deal given that he is a 33 year old shortstop. That said, he still looks to have the skills of a shortstop right now. His fielding numbers continue to hold up despite the elderly baseball age. Even in his hitting peak days, he never got on base with a great deal of frequency with OBPs in the .340s during 2007 & 2008 but Rollins is a rare hit for power shortstop when it happened. At the end of the day, this probably isn't a shortstop the Cardinals want to hook up with given his desire for a four or five year deal, which Ruben Amaro just might be crazy enough to give.
Jose Reyes: Age - 29, 3 Year Cumulative War: 9.9, 2011 wOBA: .386, Bill James wOBA: .353
Despite missing almost all of 2009, Reyes edges out Rollins on the WAR total for the last three years. The contract season phenomenon proved true for Reyes who put up the best offensive numbers of his career (in a cavernous new ballpark) in 2011. The defensive metrics don't much care for his fielding but this guy is the most exciting player in baseball. I'm excited just writing about him. If the Cardinals sign Albert Pujols, it's hard to see how a Reyes signing could happen. Some team will probably throw 5 years and $60M at him and they might be justified in doing so. That someone probably won't be the Cardinals though.
Alex Gonzalez: Age - 34, 3 Year Cumulative WAR: 5.1, 2011 wOBA: .281, Bill James wOBA: .285
The Cardinals apparently decided to kick the tires on Gonzalez. I'm always surprised by his age as he seems to have reached that old man Omar Vizquel stage of his career where his fielding abilities are strangely still there for the most part but his hitting is so atrocious that you might as well just have him take three pitches each at bat. Still that glove remains viable for the post part and he's (again, surprisingly) no older than Rafael Furcal. If the Cardinals really aren't comfortable with Tyler Greene and/or they need a "Break In Case of Emergency" option, there are worse choices than Gonzalez.
Rafael Furcal: Age - 34, 3 Year Cumulative WAR: 8.2, 2011 wOBA: .288, Bill James wOBA: .324
Derailed by injuries, Rafael Furcal wasn't quite the player the Dodgers were hoping they would get. For the 2011 Cardinals, he was exactly what they needed to replace the therrible player previously manning the position. Furcal, like Rollins, will go on power binges during his peak seasons but he also gets on base at a better clip. Furcal, like Gonzalez, would represent a short term hedge against Tyler Greene. The market hasn't really coalesced around shortstops yet but no one seems particularly eager to give Furcal a multiyear deal. If the Cardinals can snag Furcal on a 1 year contract, that might be a hard opportunity to pass up. Working Tyler Greene in around injuries and at second base could probably net Greene a Craig-like 400 PAs but one of the concerns with Greene has been his inability to play well with limited playing time. A Furcal signing may muddy that situation.
The full list of free agent shortstops is available here. There are other options out there but none of them are particularly good options. If the Cardinals decide that Tyler Greene is their shortstop of today, I'd have a hard time arguing with them given the alternatives. The shortstop of tomorrow still looks like Ryan Jackson who is coming off a surprisingly good offensive campaign in Springfield and a impressive fall in Arizona. If 2012 is a breakout year for Greene, it could drastically alter that but today, right now, it's hard to see Greene, already 28, being a long term solution for the Cardinals.
Pete Kozma could not be reached for comment on this article.
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At this point I see Rollins as an upgrade over Furcal but probably not one that is worth the cost
Furcal really is a similar player. A little less power, a little more on-base-skills. Furcal has health questions and probably has only been about an average defender (and is a year older) but again, these are the reasons why he should be a much smaller commitment of money and years than Rollins.
I don’t see Reyes as a possibility unless we don’t sign Pujols, and even then I would not be so sure they’d leap to try to sign the Flashy Free Agent of the year just because.
Gonzalez I could only see as Tyler Greene insurance.
Also, I hope people don't still think that Furcal hit badly with the Cardinals
I know he was below the Mendoza line during the playoffs. But during the regular season, as a Cardinals, he was an above-average hitter. 104 OPS+, .334 wOBA (according to StatCorner), .345 wOBA*, .378 wOBAr.
The key is signing him to a contract we could live with. At this point I think I would be totally fine with an optional second year or some sort of compromise like that, maybe even pay him a million or so more than I would really like. If the Cardinals are serious about getting Pujols I think they might more willing to bump the payroll in the short term a tad above what people expect, in anticipation of our farm producing some nice cheap talent in the medium and long term.
He also had a .316 OBP, and OPS weighs SLG a little much
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
True
But the wOBA and wRC+ type measures are better than OPS anyway, and I think a lot of people still aren’t used to the lower offensive environment. An OBP of .316 is surprisingly better than it used to be.
I don’t know how to isolate his time with the Cards on Fangraphs, but conveniently I think we traded for him right at the end of July. He was “meh” during August (Fangraphs wRC+ 82) and then great in September (wRC+ 133). He got roughly the same amount of PAs each of those two months. My terrible shorthand “average” is something like 107 which is solidly above average hitting as a Cardinal. Pair that with playing at least adequate defense at a premium position and he was a very nice player for us to have for a couple months.
Yes, this is all small sample, crude analysis. But his rough start with us and his playoff hitting colors people’s perception of him too much in my opinion.
His wRC+ with the Cards was 105
On his Fangraphs player page, hit “partial seasons” under the dashboard button to isolate his time with the Cards.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet!
I always forget that tab is even there. Maybe I will finally remember now. Thanks.
Also, that’s actually better than his OPS+ which overvalues slugging.
Yet another lesson that wOBA and its ilk, while definitely being better than OPS and OPS+, are also very close.
That'll happen when his BABIP is a ridiculously unlucky .247
It’s probably not very helpful to quote Furcal’s OBP without this fact.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
That too, which the regressed stats take account of
Fangraphs currently says that the average OBP in 2011 was only .321. So .316 is a tad below average. From a shortstop who might be getting unlucky that’s not bad at all.
You can remove the "might be" there.
In total Furcal had a .238 BABIP last year. It’s a complete statistical outlier.
His hitting talent did not desert him. With the Cards, he had 17 BBs and 18 Ks.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I am convinced he had terrible luck
However, I also expect someone to chime in saying that in their eyes he was swinging badly or something, I dunno. Just trying to be diplomatic.
To my eyes, he seemed to be swinging badly.
or something.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
with all that irish coffee you drink
I’m surprised you can see anything
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 4, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't necessarily drink a lot,
just often.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ahhh, the maintenance buzz
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 4, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Part of it, though
was that he made some pretty weak contact a lot of times. It looked like his injuries were finally improving near the end of the year and he was hitting the ball harder. I’d like to see what his BABIP was in the last 2-3 weeks of the regular season. I would guess closer to .300 because he seemed to be hitting the ball well.
and wow when he hit that triple in the playoffs ... I didn't know he was that fast
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
The triple in game 5 NLDS
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Allow me to cherry-pick some arbitrary end-points, then:
Sept 6 – 26 (his last game) .314/.385/.486/.870 .328 BABIP
He went 0-12 Sept 3 – 5 which put a crimp in his overall Sept numbers.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 4, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see it
on baseball-reference when looking through the game logs and totals from one specific time to another.
Well, if you wanted to guess about how hard he was hitting the ball over 2-3 weeks
You should just go back and watch his PAs. Looking at his BABIP over 2-3 weeks won’t tell you anything.
Also, I would reject your hypothesis that generalized notions of weak contact result in a .238 BABIP for Furcal. Weak contact is inherent in .300 BABIPs as well.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
yea, you watch skipperdoodle roll over
time after time, he should have a low babip
TLR is gone, long live the king
It is pretty hard for any major leaguer to put up a true-talent .238 BABIP
let alone one who has power and above-average speed. I find it very hard to believe Furcal’s less than a .300 true-talent BABIP guy.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 4, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
true, but i don't think that's what he was saying
it seems like his argument is just that, for a period of time this season, he was diminished by injuries enough as to be hitting the ball uncharacteristically weakly and therefore his low BABIP over that period of time can’t be entirely explained away by luck
it seems like a reasonable take to me
Except it's not based on anything
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
well
my guess would be that it’s based on the fact that he was injured and that injured people tend to perform at a lower average level than healthy people. it seems like a reasonable take to me
There's no evidence that BABIP suffer's that drastically with an injury
Because players who are far worse than an injured Furcal still have around a .300 BABIP. I’m not arguing that his true talent BABIP doesn’t go down when he’s injured, it’s just that his observed BABIP doesn’t reflect that.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
what evidence is there of any relationship between injury and difference in BABIP?
take the nine most athletic VEBers and put then on an MLB team and give them each 600 PAs over a full season. do you expect the mean BABIP among the 9 of them to be in the .290-.300 range? it seems to me, intuitively, that it’s going to be lower because they won’t be hitting the ball as hard as an average MLB hitter.
now, assuming you agree with that much, do you suspect that these BABIP true talent levels are discrete quantities, or is it a continuum, where the harder and more precisely you strike a ball, the more likely it is to fall for a hit when it is in play?
again, my intuition suggests that the latter is more likely. assuming this is true, then the more weakly you strike a ball, the less likely it is to fall in for a hit would be a reasonable inference to make.
now if we can also assume that a player who is diminished by injury is likely to strike the ball more weakly than a healthy player, which i’m sure you would agree, then it seems to be a reasonable take that an injured player owning a uncharacteristically low BABIP
can’t be entirely explained away by luck
Uh, yeah, I never said there is no spread in BABIP, just that it is very small
Now assuming you agree with that, how much worse of a player do you think injury makes Furcal? About as a good as Ryan Theriot? Ryan Theriot had a .296 BABIP last year.
Even if Furcal is worse because of injury, his BABIP is not going to drop to pitcher-hitter levels.
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first of all
can’t be entirely explained away by luck
doesn’t mean
can be entirely explained away by injury
and i don’t think that comparing an injured player to a lesser healthy player is the appropriate comparison to make. injury does not make a player less skilled, it makes a player physically diminished
You don't think Theriot is psycically weaker than Furcal?
Because I’d bet Furcal is a hell of a lot faster and stronger than Theriot. Maybe injury brings them to the same level.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
what i'm saying
is that i don’t think a change in physical strength is the only byproduct of injury and i don’t think physical strength is the only factor influencing BABIP. i think a more appropriate comparison would be other injured players, as opposed to less talented, but healthy players.
one point i’m inclined to make is that if injury has no causal effect on BABIP, then, excluding K/BB ratio, an injured player should hit at the exact same rate as his non-injured equivalent. do you think this is true?
For the last time, I'm not saying that injury has no effect on BABIP
I’m saying it has a small effect on it. I would bet injury effects K:BB and ISO much more than BABIP.
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i'm inclined to disagree
i don’t understand how a player can be diminished enough to have a significant effect on his ability to draw walks and not strike out, but the difference in his ability to put the ball in play with authority is negligible
Because BABIP is mostly out of the hitters control
That’s why the spread in BABIP is much smaller than the spread in K:BB rates.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
i agree with this for the most part
but i would make a revision to say that BABIP is mostly out of the hitter’s control; that’s why the spread in BABIP among hitters of a similar talent level (such as all MLB players) is much smaller than the spread in K/BB rates among the same group.
i think you’ll agree with the above statement. you probably meant it implicitly anyway. what i’m going to argue is that a player who is injured enough that he likely should not be playing is diminished enough that his mean performance is no longer among the group he’s being compared to. furcal with an injury that borders on DL-worthy probably is a worse hitter than theriot, but not just because of strength. because of various compensations that need to be made in his swing that cause him to hit the ball with less authority, which will inevitably bias his batted ball profile away from hard-struck liners
and anyway, i think we’re underestimating the significance of the spread in BABIP. league average is .290-.300, right? and then you have guys like matt holliday who consistently put up .330 or so. regress that a bit to be safe and it’s .320 or so, right? then there’s crappy guys who are .270 to .280.
so there’s probably around a .040 BABIP spread among healthy MLB players within a standard deviation of the mean, right?. i don’t think it’s unreasonable that an injured player could dip outside one SD when physically diminished enough
I disagree that injury is anything functionally different than
Just being a worse player. Furcal over his career is a ~.310 BABIP player, so a bit above average, which is expected given his speed and the fact that he has good bat control.
I don’t think an injury makes him the worst player in baseball, which you seem to be implying. If he is very injured I could see him being in the lower quadrant of major league BABIP. I don’t see him being pitcher level, which is what a .238 BABIP is.
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oh, i must misrepresenting myself
first of all
I don’t see him being pitcher level, which is what a .238 BABIP is.i couldn’t agree more. it certainly wasn’t my intent to suggest that his .238 BABIP is entirely a product of his injury.
furthermore, i’m not saying that an injury that is borderline DL-worthy makes him the worst player in baseball. however, it’s an interesting thought and i wouldn’t outright reject it. the point that i’m trying to make is that comparing an injured player to a less-talented, but healthy player is not the best approach to take since injury doesn’t make one less talented, it makes them a physically diminished version of their normally talented self
You missed his point.
All you’re saying is that being injured may result in lower BABIP.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
that's exactly what i'm saying
please enlighten me as to what point is, though, since i’ve missed it
i did, thanks
the “point” that i’m responding to is
I find it very hard to believe Furcal’s less than a .300 true-talent BABIP guy.
which doesn’t seem to be a point that anyone was making
I'm saying two things
One, because there is such a tiny spread in league BABIP, injured Furcal is still going to have a close to normal BABIP.
Two, because the .238 BABIP was in a small sample size it’s always going to reflect a huge amount of luck. You can’t just say “oh he was injured so that BABIP is what should have happened”.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
One, because there is such a tiny spread in league BABIP, injured Furcal is still going to have a close to normal BABIP.
yep, i caught that you were trying to say this and i understand your arguments, so i feel that it’s unlikely that i missed that point. i feel that my lack of missing that point is reflected in how relevant my arguments to the contrary are. i’ve expatiated my reasons for believing the opposite to be true
because the .238 BABIP was in a small sample size it’s always going to reflect a huge amount of luck.
i also believe that i did not miss this point because i have addressed it directly
You can’t just say "oh he was injured so that BABIP is what should have happened".
you’re right. i agree that you can’t say that and that’s a huge, leading factor in why i did not say that.
i think an important corollary is that you also can’t say “it’s a small sample size, so even though he was inured, what happens on average is still what should have happened.”
i think there is likely some middle ground
Alright, I don't care anymore
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
wel, i'd say this will be a most interesting hot stove for any player at any position who wants a contract pushing them into the "too old to be what they are now" window
i’ve been wondering for a while if the increased emphasis on homegrown youthful talent is moving the FA market away from deals that hamstring the teams in terms of their projected new/cheap arrivals? if i was a FA i’d be looking for longer term deals that don’t drop me into the FA market at the “wrong” age (post ped wrong age). for the birds, i think a lot hinges on jackson vs the length of contract furcal wants. furk is at a delicate time in his career, ie, he will never again have a chance to command a multi-year deal. this is especially true for players who have been bouncing from deal to deal and team to team like furk.
this is also a big part of albert’s problem. i can’t envisage any team in their right mind giving him a 9 or 10 year deal. for albert and rollins and others who have been successful one-team players, they need to think about the opportunity to play ball on a good team for a protracted period and its value. albert may be worth a 9 yr commitment from stl, but for albert, he will not get that guarantee and set an aav record. he gave that up when he decided to be a FA at 32.
TLR is gone, long live the king
Yeah, this is why I'm probably too optimistic about a possible deal with Furcal
However, at least he said he wanted to come back to the Cardinals. I’m also trying to remind myself not to love Furcal too much just because he was the non-Theriot that we were able to get.
I wonder about pinning our hopes too much on Jackson
I know he had a really fine year offensively and has always been a good glove man, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he has more offensive issues at Memphis this year. I saw him a few years ago at Peoria and was not impressed at all with his swing. I believe it’s been redone since then but I still wonder if he’ll continue to hit. I would be in all in favor of a 2-year deal for someone (Furcal?) and thus give Jackson more time to develop. In the end, Jackson may be the answer but I still think the jury is out.
i agree, but the key will be what the front office projects
and what risk they want to take
i have no idea how this is done, but i’d say at worst they would end up with jackson as a stop gap himself as no hit, but catch ss
TLR is gone, long live the king
Furcal's defense
I for one was impressed with Furcal during the post-season. He made all the plays he should have.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Dec 4, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions
It was pretty stinky at times during the regular season, tho, after he became a Cardinal.
10 errors in 49 games, and some of them looked really bad.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
" he was exactly what they needed to replace the therrible player previously manning the position."
Theriot was therrible… lol. Not sure if intentional, but I love it.
if not, it was an erriot
TLR is gone, long live the king
by sportsman on Dec 4, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he was a therror on the field
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But a riot off the field.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 4, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
how is my day even worse and it's not noon yet
on the other hand, there’s a show on an otter on now, so… that’s a good sign, yes?
or should I fear otters?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh, apparently I should fear them
Groups of giant otters have been known to tear a human apart.
/fakeblockquote
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ahahaha it's the ancient aliens guy
and now I can’t unsee theriot wearing his hair
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You should fear the
EVANSVILLE Otters
"Nothing Motte does is quiet. It's mostly screamy and intense." - sheckiezx
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by monkeysareblue on Dec 4, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Name the players:
1. Age 23, SS, wOBA+ of 98 in AA, scouting reports of good defense
2. Age 22, SS, wOBA+ of 95 in AA, scouting reports of good defense
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Hint: the second player's stats are from 2010
The two players are very close to the same age.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hm, Clearly one of them is Jackson
My first thoughts were maybe Starlin Castro or Elvis Andrus for the other one.
Is the other one Jackson also?
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
what stat sites use wOBA+? I only see wOBA on fangraphs
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Statcorner. wOBA+ is
park-adjusted wOBA relative to league.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, checked it out and saved for future ref
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I looked up both my guesses (cheating, I know) and I don't think they are player 2.
Jackson has to be player 1 from the age, right?
I hate this comparison because it casually ignores the fact
that Pete Kozma was disastrously awful last year. It also ignores that he’s been very spotty as a hitter over the course of his career while Jackson has been more consistent. Personally, I don’t think the scouting reports read the way you’re portraying them either. Jackson is pretty clearly the better shortstop.
Basically, I think this is a false comparison that relies on some cherry picking.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
That said
there are still reasons to doubt Jackson’s ability to hit long term. He’s got such a noisy swing.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Well, derp, of course it's cherry picking. I just compared two nameless players in two short lines using 4 pieces of information.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
That probably came off harsher than I meant, but the post was obviously not meant to be fair or comprehensive comparison.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Other interesting reference points are that...
Kozma had a slightly higher ISO and a slighty better BB/K than Jackson did in those respective years. Jackson’s better numbers were mainly the function of a higher BABIP, though Jackson’s higher LD% and lower IF% likely justifies A higher BABIP.
As far as their defensive prowess, I don’t think it’s unfair to say they’re comparable. Kozma has the stronger arm and probably a bit better range (Kozma is the faster player) but Jackson has better hands and timing.
In any event, Kozma did suck last year. But, I also think Kozma has been rushed. Jackson and Kozma are the same age, play the same position, and had very similar stats in their AA seasons (though Koz was a year younger).
I think most of the hype for Jackson and disdain for Kozma has focused on their narratives and not their numbers. I hope they’re both in AAA next year, one at SS and one at 2B, and then we can make the best comparison.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
hmmmm
if one plots ld% vs. babip
how strong a correlation would you expect?
TLR is gone, long live the king
I have always liked Furcal
and wouldn’t mind seeing him signed to a one
or two year contract for a reasonable amount.
..But, I do not want to see either Rollins or Reyes
signed to big four or five year contracts. Rather I would
I would just start the season with Greene (which I expect
will be short lived) and when if that doesn’t work out,
bring up Jackson and stick him there and keep him.
Shortstop is a premium defensive position and through out
the years teams have brought up good fielding shortstops
prematurely and stuck with them whether they hit much or not,
and won with them. A lot of them learned to hit at the major
league level.
There have been quite a few that wasn’t so called ready but I
I can name a few off the top of my head. Dal Maxvill, Dave
Concepcion, Roy Mc Millan, tony Fernandez, Shawon Dungston.
None could hit shit when brought up but all became fair hitters
except Maxvill and the Cards won twice with him.
Ozzie the Redbird shortstop
Had a very shiny glove
But when it came to hitting
Ozzie never got no love
All of the other shortstops
Knew that his defense was great
They never thought that Ozzie
Would ever start to hit this late
Then in 1984, Ozzie came to say,
“Defense and walks are nifty now,
But I can hit over two fifty now!”
Then all the people loved him
Everybody knew his name
Ozzie the Redbird shortstop
See you in the Hall of Fame
by mattybobo on Dec 4, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
Fink's gonna be jealous
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Furc looks much better with the birds on the bat on his jersy
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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Golden Era HOF
apparantly the Veterans Committee is voting today. There are 2 ex Cards among the 10 candidates. Chicago Trib baseball writer Phil Rogers, who does not have one of the 16 votes, wrote today that if he did, he would vote for 5 of the players ranking the 10 thusly:
1 Santo
2T Minoso
2T Tiant
4 Hodges
5 Kaat
6 Ken Boyer
7 Tony Oliva
8 Charlie Finley
9 Allie Reynolds
10 Buzzie Bavasi
My gut impressions: Do we need executives considered by the Vet Comm?
Santo (who Bill James ranks as the 6th best 3B of all-time) is probably hurt by his broadcasting career and by being merely the 4th best lovable loser.
Minoso in hurt in my mind by the fact that his defining moment as a player was a publicity stunt. For most players that have one its a standout play: Mays’ “the catch”, Dimaggio’s streak, or the key home run — Mazeroski, Thompson, Ozzie, Gipson, Fisk, Dent….For Minoso, the thing that jumps to mind is his playing in every decade that baseball has existed which of couse was made possible by having him ‘play’ when he was 59 or so. Plus he’s already been passed over by the special committee on AA ballplayers.
Kaat’s cardinals career was at the tailend of his and his HOF creds are based on his non-cards activity – 3 20 win season’s with 18 in 2 others. Interestingly, 2 of his 3 20 win seasons were in his age 35 and 36 years. He won 10+ in 16 straight seasons and is considered the best-fielding pitcher of all-time. His only WS came with the 1982 Cardinals. Of Kaat’s top 10 comparables, 7 are HOFers with Jamie Moyer still eleigible.
Ken Boyer just misses Rogers’ hypothetical ballot. Bill James’ 12th best 3B of all time put up his creds as a Card: 5 gold gloves, 7 all-stars, and the 1964 MVP. From 1958 through 1964, he averaged 25 hr, 100 rbi and an OPS+ of 128. Coincidently, Santo’s best season was 1964…..the year Boyer was the league’s best.
yes, poor Curt Flood
for about a month or so he had to man CF between Musial and Minoso (both then at the baseball geezer stage)
Attention VEB
I found the movie I was talking about last night. When I woke up this morning I remember the movie had the name jungle in it so I typed in Jungle King, and instantly recognized the artwork for the vhs.
Lion King Maximilian III, jungle king of the main part of Africa, is an unpopular monarch whose main work has been inventing all sorts of unreasonable laws. Max’s main royal servants, Chancellor Hyena (with his parrot assistant, Ricardo) and simian General Glump, are constantly kissing up to him- and, in fact, Hyena has been doing some covert work in the other portion of Africa ruled by tiger monarch King Raj. Hyena’s and Raj’s plans are to attack Max’s army when his territory has been rendered vulnerable (by Max’s capture). Both Max and Hyena are in love with young lioness Leonette, whose family is pressuring her into marrying the king. Upon Max’s capture, an alarmed General Glump seeks out the king’s estranged brother, Irwin, who is a gentle recluse, only intent upon writing and illustrating a complete book of African birds. Irwin is recruited to pose for the king; in the process he abolishes all of Max’s ridiculous laws and immediately gains favor with the animal citizens-and falls in love with Leonette as well. Her feelings are mutual, but she rejects him when she finds he’s a poseur. General Glump barely finds the time to rescue Max when he finds the kingdom attacked by King Raj’s army; Max and Irwin team up to motivate their forces and retaliate. Upon Raj’s defeat and Hyena’s dismissal, Max gratefully allows his brother to share the monarchy, but Irwin declines so that he can marry Leonette and finish writing his book.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 4, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions
Reds news over at
- Fay also writes that David Bell’s promotion to Triple-A manager could be a prelude of things to come. The former major league third baseman is probably the top candidate to replace Dusty Baker if the club decides to go in a different direction.
- Heyman (via Twitter) also hears that the Phillips extension talks are going well with the Reds, but doesn’t know if the two sides are close to a deal. Phillips, who is set to make $12MM in 2012, tweeted on Tuesday that talks are moving in the right direction.
- The Reds have talked to Jim Riggleman about a possible job in their organization, Heyman tweets.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Should have went with this for the image.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
River Rat
You don’t say, “should have went with this image.”
You say, “should have gone with this image.”
My 8th grade English teacher would have kicked you
in the ass.
What if Margaret Mitchell would have named her book.
Went with the Wind instead of Gone with the Wind.
God forbid.
by ridgesee on Dec 4, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry you were offended by my grammar.
I sometimes kick into slang talk around here without worrying too much about how others perceive it.
I will try to not let it happen again.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
she just went wit the wind man
Woulda been a way cooler book
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
so we're talking the porno version, right?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
neither "went" nor "gone with the wind" would have fit
The book as well as “sentimental and dishonest nostalgia for an ugly, brutal, and shameful period in our nation’s history.”
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2011 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
amen
… but can we add racist to that description?
by peach concrete on Dec 5, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like “gif it” belongs in a song.
by peach concrete on Dec 5, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
As long as we're on the subject
You don’t say “What if Margaret Mitchell would have named her book. . .”,
you say “What if Margaret Mitchell had named her book. . .”.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
I was just kidding you River Rat
I’m from South Carolina. You can imagine some of the things that come out of my mouth.
How about Paul Janish?
Just accept the 270 woba in return for absolutely elite defense. He’ll definitely be available.
Sign Roy O
Janish is a better pitcher than he is a hitter.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
pretty solid idea
i guess i assumed he was under team control with the reds. i’d want him backing up greene initially, though
is Janish really an elite defender?
i was under the impression he was a strong, but by no means exceptional defender, and an absolutely horrific stick.
career 11.3 UZR/150
and i don’t see how he’s not under team control of the reds. he only has 3 years service time
Janish looks like Rolen at SS only slightly smaller...
and his hitting reminds me of Chris Carpenter. We would need Manny to pinch hit for him every night. Janish/Manny is a package deal.
Sign Roy O
agreed
I am okay with elite defense and a total lack of offense as long as our MIF has some offensive competence, but I don’t think I’m willing to sacrifice all offensive production out of the MI in the name of defense. We’ve had a black hole as far as offense is concerned in the MIF, and I don’t think it has worked out well. Honestly, I really liked what I saw from Furcal and hope they can sign him to a reasonable 2-year deal (I’d prefer 1-year, but that’s not happening)
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
You could play Janish behind Westbrook with his 60% GB rate...
and Garcia who faces a lot of righties and gets a lot of grounders too. Then get him out when those guys are lifted. There’s gotta be a way to maximize his utility to the point where he’s a plus to have on the team.
Sign Roy O
If we looking for elite defense and not that concerned about the offense now, why did we get rid of Boog?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 5, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
he is under team control,
but i think he is considered a non-tender candidate.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Re Manny: Union argues that he effectively served the 100 games last year; MLB needs to impose some penalty; 50-game compromise likely.
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
To clarify, 50-game ban for Manny isn’t official, but both sides appear amenable to it. Manny’s second drug violation was indeed upheld.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 4, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't want to deal with any manny being manny moments
I don’t care how well he hit in the past.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 4, 2011 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the answer to our right handed CF question
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Broncos down by 1 in 4th QTR...
here we go again.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions
and tied.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I finally picked up my Musial jersey from my friends house
Had it delivered there instead of my place since it won’t be outside my building all day.
Anyway it is a thing of beauty. I can’t imagine wearing it in the summer since it’s wool. Makes me think I should have bought more than 1 jersey
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 4, 2011 3:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
shut up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Honestly, I don't see any of these as plausible options.
Furcal seems to be wanting too much money, Rollins is going to be overpaid by someone else (hopefully) and Reyes just isn’t ever going to end up in St Louis.
I could see an Alex Gonzalez-type as a backup, and it’s pretty obvious we need one, and he’s actually a better player than I thought (having just glanced at his FG page), but there’s an argument that a healthy Nick Punto makes him pretty redundant. I guess I’d look to sign whoever is cheapest out of Gonzalez, Ramon Santiago and Jerry Hairston, try to retain Punto as a 2B backup and let Grit and Schit both walk.
Still bitching to contact.
sorry to piss on your crumpets, but santiago signed
With the tigers, I believe.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2011 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ramon S. Has already been re-signed.
Also, I don’t know why Reyes isn’t an option if Pujols doesn’t sign.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps we should discuss playing SS from Apr-Aug with Tim?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2011 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Relevant link
yhoo.it/vDRa4B
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Meh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
uh-oh. perhaps the BBWAA should preemptively award him
The 2012 MVP, for both NL and AL, just to be sure.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2011 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Everybody/everything>Tebow
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
shannon sharpe appears to be borrowing suit jackets from cragi sager
rockin’ the crushed velvet on the cbs postgame show.
> tebow
OT
But I’m considering creating a Facebook, yay or nay.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 4, 2011 4:49 PM EST reply actions
Nay
Facebook is the biggest time-waster on the internet.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
That's not remotely true
Everybody knows that Viva El Birdos is the biggest time-waster on the internet.
by mattybobo on Dec 4, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Well yes, of course
But I like to think I take something from the conversations here.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I prefer Twitter
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
This is the argument I always get into at school, that Twitter is better.
Manchester City: 38 points, 12-0-2, 1st in EPL, +35 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 3 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 4, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
meh
you should probably have one. it comes in handy for me every once in a while, but on average, facebook is pretty lame
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
If albert pujols wants to beat $200M 9-yr cardinals offer, he should produce birth certificate. skepticism abounds over 31 claim
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
ffs.
Tell them to ask the Dept of Homeland security for it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Interesting. You don't think it's worth 200MM for Albert to dig in his home file cabinet for another copy?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I just think it's ridonkulous.
The other players who have had age issues, weren’t citizens. If it passed the scrutiny of DHS (post 9/11), I would think that would be good enough.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
If I were a team that was concerned about his age, especially given the amount of money involved
I would make sure that Albert provided me with a copy of his birth certificate and I would make clear that I was relying on the accuracy of the birth certificate in offering the contract to him.
Why? One, because of legal liability, Albert would very likely not submit a false certificate. Second, if he did submit a false one and it were later found to be false, then the contract could be rescinded.
Looking at or relying on a certificate from DHS does not provide this protection. Indeed, if Albert refused to provide one, I would absolutely not sign him.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
TBH, I would be surprised if the Cards didn't already have one on file after the previous contract.
My point is, that he already had to submit one to an agency that’s known for being a giant PITA about things of this nature. And none of the talking heads seem to want to acknowledge that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Just curious, how do you know he provided a birth certificate to DHS as part of his citizenship application?
Was there some report that he did or were you relying on the fact that a birth certificate is some required part of a naturalization application?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Relying on the fact that it's a required document for the naturalization process.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
on page 3 of
this document.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He had already made about $30 million by the time he applied for citizenship...
He or his lawyer could’ve easily bribed his way past USCIS….
Sign Roy O
And Lozano certainly seems scummy enough to have done that.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and on page 4 you can read about how to get around this requirement...
Including by merely submitting a couple of affidavits by non-citizen relatives.
Again, it would be nice to know whether he actually submitted a birth certificate. It looks pretty easy to get around this requirement.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Between his wealth and his having come over as a minor...
I doubt there’s any bureaucratic hurdle he couldn’t get around. Post 9/11 America is as corrupt and incompetent as pre-9/11 America.
Sign Roy O
My point is that it'd be very easy to get around the requirement
Without the need for anyone to be corrupt or even incompetent.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Gun to your head do you think he's 31?
I would bet he’s actually 33. His appearance and hitting ability at 21 were just not believable. When he came from the DR in 1996 his family would have the means and every incentive in the world to say their 18 year old was actually 16. Why wouldn’t they have done that?
Sign Roy O
why didn't you date-rape that chick last night?
nobody was around.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Oh right...
his family is too honest to lie… You honestly think some impoverished immigrants couldn’t justify a victimless crime like lying about their kid’s age in order to give themselves a leg up. They’d be fools not to have done this.
Sign Roy O
I think assuming that they did is kind of dumb
It’s not just the lying, it’s the positive action. People usualy aren’t going go out of their way to bribe state officials.
Besides, if he already had 30 million, it wouldn’t even be neccesary for the family to be amazingly well off.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
There's no need for bribing
And You’re focusing on the wrong timeframe. Albert didn’t have millions when he first came to the states.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
either way
it’s conjecture that’s based on some assumption about fundamental human nature
i think they get the benefit of the doubt until evidence arises that is more concrete than
His appearance and hitting ability at 21 were just not believable
i agree about his appearance, including his present day appearance, but that’s a terrible argument
So he had the means to lie, the incentive to lie, and it looked like he was lying...
why give them the benefit of the doubt?
Sign Roy O
because lying is the postive action
You can never assume the positive action
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 4, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hence, why didn't you shoplift that candy bar when the 7/11 guy wasn't behind the counter?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
stealing a candy bar - relatively large risk, low payoff, and a clear victim
lying about your age – victimless, huge payoff, everyone is doing it, etc…
Sign Roy O
there's a large risk from stealing a candy bar?
what?
It’s still a positive action. Bayes says you don’t assume he’s doing it.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
really, you're saying that more often than not, baseball player's age's were fudged
How come there have only been a handful of known instances of this happening with major league players.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Because he's (now) American
and this is how it’s done here (or should be).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
He came to the states when he was "16"...
they knew at that time he had the potential to get signed to a baseball contract which would include a bonus. Subtracting 18 months and letting him dominate in high school for two years as a 19-20 year would put thousands of dollars in the family’s pocket.
Sign Roy O
Did they know when they left the D.R. that he would be a phenom
at baseball? I’ve never heard this.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure they knew he was really awesome when
he hit 27 home runs for his local DR little league team.
It’s like he showed up in KC never having played baseball before….
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's certainly possible that his family lied about his age when
he first came to the states. That’s fairly common.
His hitting talent at an early age, IMO, is not really evidence that he’s older than advertised. Look at the other great hitters like Mantle, Williams, Rodriguez, etc. It’s not hard to believe that he’s an outlier like them.
Basically, I haven’t heard or seen any information that persuades me that he’s not the age he says he is, so, gun to my head, I’d say he’s 31.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Look at what Ken Griffey did at the age of 21.
Granted, his age 21 season was his 3rd in the league already, but the point is that it is not unheard of. If you look at Albert’s first 10 years in the league, there’s been very few other players who have had a 10-year span like that. I would have just as a hard a time believing someone could do that, beginning at 23, as I would at 21.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Why wouldn't they have just had him sign as
an 18 yo IFA? he would have recieved more money than he got in the draft
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
You have to have a Green Card prior to applying for citizenship.
Application for Green Card requires a birth certificate.
However, an original BC is not required, a photocopy can be submitted, making authenticity a legitimate question.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
hasn't the issue with dominican players been not that
They have no birth certificate, but that the documents are easily forged or gotten by fraud? So, while I’m not sure that it’s a terrible idea to demand a copy (and it’s not clear to me that the cardinals have NOT), merely asking for a copy wouldn’t seem to put the question to rest.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2011 5:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know whether the Cards have a certificate from Albert or not.
And yes, I think the issue generally is forged birth documents.
What I’m saying is that if I were another team I would ask Albert to present me with what he’s got as far as a birth certificate. I can’t imagine that Albert (and his representation) would present a forgery in the course of entering a $200MM contract. That could lead to massive civil (and likely criminal) liability, for Albert, and his agent/agency. They’ll either present a legit document or refuse to provide one.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
He should cut off a toe and let everyone count the rings...
is there no biological way to date a human being?
Sign Roy O
you want a toe? I can get you a toe.
with polish
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 4, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
apparently, aimee mann made a cameo in the big lebowski
As the german woman with nine toes.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2011 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, yes she did.
Very funny film. And she looked anorexic in that movie.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Why would he want a Polish toe?
What’s wrong with Italian, or German?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 4, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not for adults.
Bone density tests can be used on children, but they are not 100% accurate.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
while I'd like to share your optimism in humanity,
I’m not sure that I buy into the notion that massive civil or criminal liability would deter someone when tens of millions of dollars are at stake. And, for the record, I am not a Pujols-birther.
But the real way to investigate Pujols’ birthdate would involve a laborious process of going down to the DR with a bunch of investigators and talking to people. That’s how Nunez/Oveido was exposed: when an investigator went to the high school he supposedly attended, his name had clearly been inserted into the records after the fact.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Believe me, I'm not one for optimism about humanity. (Indeed, I'm a trial lawyer)
But Pujols already has millions, and he’d still sign for millions more at his true age. I think he and his representation would rather decline to provide a forged document (or simply sign with the cards) rather than knowingly commit fraud.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
he is obviously from kenya
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
ya know, /i'm getting comfortable with the idea that i'd rather not have albert at 8/200
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
prolly nexdef, but
Lunhow interviewed for the GM job in Houston. Am I wrong to be more worried about loosing him than pujols?
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
Im worried about losing both those guys
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2011 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If someone offers Lunhow a GM job, he'd be a fool not to accept it.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the Astros have bottomed out yet though
why get aboard a ship that is still sinking?
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
true, but you also risk getting blamed for 2 years of sucking
then gets fired.
If this happens, he ends up back at the level he is now, only with a bad reputation.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
as long as he drafts well and stays away from foolish free agent signings
I think he’d be fine. I’m sure Astros ownership is well aware of what they are up against.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
yea, he'd take the gm for reputation building
one would think they’d give a gm more then 2 years to make an impact. manager, of course, is another matter.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
still 5 years away from contending
if everything goes right.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
any chance that the team is able to afford both pujols and furcal?
Im guessing no… But that is my favorite option
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2011 6:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That said,
if pujols departs gotta bring in rollins or preferably imo furcal plus surplus. If its pujols and greene im fine with that too and could be the best opton
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2011 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Albert has anything to do with it
With or without Pujols, they probably don’t want to go above $6 million for Furcal. If Raffy really wants 2 years at $16 million or a 3 year deal….that’s probably not in the team’s best interest.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
that is the way I see it
no way they should go over 2 years, or 7.5 mil per for Furcal. So they are probably already out of it.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
that was pretty much my assumption
that he will get more than we should pay out… but 2 years at $16 million wouldn’t be the end of the world if pujols leaves. in the end though, they gotta figure out what to do with greene, and if he doesn’t work out at least they may be able to do a midseason trade.
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 5, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
Marlins Offer Reyes Six-Year, $111MM Deal bit.ly/rM9Fbq #mlb
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Jose Reyes is definitely gonna take this deal, right?
The Marlins have offered Jose Reyes a six-year, $111MM deal, a source tells Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com (Spanish link). The deal would pay $106MM for six years with a $22MM option for a seventh season with a $5MM buyout.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:02 PM EST reply actions
that, i would think, would take pujols off the table
i mean, how much money could the fish have? especially to invest in likely unloadable contracts.
Do it for Torty.
Happy Flight!
Apparently, the marlins are still favorites to land pujols
If he doesn’t return to st. Louis
This is in the mlbtraderumors story:
“Rojas’ source also says that the Marlins are the favorite to land Albert Pujols if he does not return to St. Louis.”
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2011 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we are so so so so so so so so so lucky the Dodgers have ownership issues
and the Angels, for some reason, have Vernon Wells.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
The angela have the Ghost of mike Napoli
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2011 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is it safe to say we have no other competition for pujols once this deal is done?
I mean, honestly, if you were albert pujols and you saw the mariners, cubs, and cardinals looking at you, who would you choose
by hr on Dec 4, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
If I were him, and the Nationals were interested,
I’d listen. If the Nats can get Fielder or Pujols, it’ll kick off the Nationals run of 6 playoff appearances in 8 or 9 seasons.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'd certainly begin to worry about bidding against yourself
and be hesitant to offer him too much
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
wow, that's like TWO papelbons.
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by tom s. on Dec 5, 2011 12:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
dallas ices their own kicker. nice.
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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 7:12 PM EST reply actions
this is also after they don't call a timeout with 24 seconds left
and let the clock wind down to 7 seconds.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
this is one of the most stubborn narratives in all of sports
Obviously I’d be willing to change my mind if I saw empirical proof otherwise, but I think that “icing” a professional kicker, regardless of who does it, has exactly 0% effect on whether he makes the kick or not.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Matty you simply don't understand that football is a game played by humans
And humans have nerves that effect there performance.
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well...
he kicked it twice..made it the first time and missed it the second time.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
That's just bad luck in terms of probability
It doesn’t mean it has a negative effect on the kicker
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Twitter
FWIW, according to Freakonomics...
They looked at data from the 2007-2010 seasons and determined that icing actually helps the kicker, at least compared to league average overall.
There’s probably some selection bias there (IE, guys who get “iced” may be better than your average kicker, to begin with). But it’s at least some numbers to look at.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
get on the Nawlins train
just booked a trip there in a few weeks. God. I love that city.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
i don't really care about any other nfl team besides Dallas
in fact i pretty much hate the nfl & all the media who give them oral 24/7/365
Balls
oh, well then just start watching college basketball
that, college football, and baseball are really the only sports I care about.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
If Pujols doesn't sign we don't have to get a major FA this year
We could get one in a trade, or wait till next year.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html
Intriguing guys: McCann, Napoli, Kinsler, Hamilton, more
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
not next year...
he’s got a $10 million option.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Howie Kendrick is available, though.
5.8 fWAR in 2011.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah,and that number was far outside his past production
And dependent on a +19.7 UZR/150 number that looks like an anomaly, especially when compared to the -7.3 he put up last year.
I’ll wait for Kolten Wong,thankyouverymuch.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
yup, no reason to acquire Kendrick.
Not unless the Angels just want to let us have him for next season for next to nothing.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I am also very high on Wong.
OLIVER projects him for a .770 OPS next year if he played in the majors.
I think he’s going to be an all-star caliber player and I think he’ll be starting for us in 2013.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
These Wong jokes are going to be the gift that keeps on giving...
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
seriously, though
i’m also very excited about wong. i hope he’s given a legitimate shot to make the team out of spring training. i wouldn’t go into it expecting him to, though
Really?
I don’t know much about him other than Klaw wasn’t high on him
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
i don't get your question
i’m saying that i wouldn’t expect him to make the team out of spring training, but with descalso, the leading and only candidate, i would give wong every opportunity to surprise us
he’s been billed as a pure bat and a fast riser
What I'm saying is that Keith Law didn't expect much from him at all
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of other prospecterss liked him though
I’m sure Klaw only saw Wong once or twice, dunno why he’s the authority on this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
He's just the only report I heard
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
i don't have an argument for why law is wrong, if that's what you're aftyer
i don’t even know what law’s argument is. i guess my opinion isn’t based on a whole lot either way
Wong is always a threat to slip in.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
by hazel on Dec 5, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 5, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh, I forgot about OLIVER!
Time to do some surfin’!
(I already checked today to see if MARCEL was out yet)
(It wasn’t. Sad face.)
I'd have to imagine that a 2B with a .770 OPS and an above average defender is more of a 3 WAR player than a 1.5 WAR player
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Oliver is only projecting him for 422 plate appearances
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Yeah, the WAR estimates don't make sense to me, even with 420 PAs estimated.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
If he's a +2 run defender, and a .335 wOBA hitter (which is like +2 runs assuming a league average of .330)
Then the second base positional adjustment bumps him up to like 2.7 WAR over 600 PA. That seems proportinal to me.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Is league average that high now?
I guess it doesn’t include base running either.
In any event, the offensive projection for rate stats seemed very positive, especially as it was for this coming year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
.335 wOBA is basically Brandon Phillips
2009, .337 wOBA, worth 3.3 fWAR in 644 PAs, with +4 fielding runs and 2.2 baserunning
2010, .332 wOBA, worth 4.4 fWAR in 687 PAs, with +9.7 fielding runs and 2.6 baserunning
So yeah, ~2.7 is about right. Seems a bit low intuitively, but the math checks.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
7.7 WAR
$10 million. What’s the problem.
And yes I think that will come down, obviously, but really he only has to produce about 2 WAR to be worth it.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
The Rangers have the option though
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Swisher, Haren
(Although Haren’s got a 15.5M option)
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
next year will be a big offseason for us anyway.
Berkman, Lohse, Westbrook, and Molina are all Free Agents. They’ll make about $40 million in 2012. Only Molina seems like a lock to return.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Can't wait to lose Lohse and Westbrook
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
please no more 10 million a year contracts for 4th starters
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
what about.....11 million dollars a year?
Carmona is a FA
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
You'll be talkin out the other side of your face if we get a SS/2B combination nailed down for next year
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 5, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
assuming reyes is off the table, I think a trade
Such as for stephen drew, might be as likely as any mega-signing.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 4, 2011 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll take Drew and Kendrick up the middle.
Kendrick
Drew
Holliday
Berkman
Craig
Freese
Molina
Jay
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Zack Cox
and their choice of Jenkins or Rosenthal.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're overrating Drew and underrating Cleto
Drew is a league average-ish shortstop with a year left on his contract (and a mutual option). Cleto might be the hardest throwing dude in the minors and had success at three levels last year.
Cleto had like a 3.90 FIP last year, and a 4.40 FIP in AAA
I’m not sure how that is “success”. It’s more like exactly average. A lot of guys can throw hard in the minors.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Cleto threw really hard in the majors last year too...
those pitches were extremely impressive up to the moment they ran into the opposing hitter’s bat.
Sign Roy O
or the backstop.
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"I'm a graduate of the Mike Shannon School of Diction" - Al Hrabosky
by monkeysareblue on Dec 4, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
tRA+ at each level
A+: 138
AA:123
AAA: 109
Above average at every stop. No, he’s not polished and not ready for the majors but can we give him a break? He started the year in A+ ball!
Alright, fair enough
But he’s still a pitcher with control problems and nothing much besides a fastball. The bust rate for those kind of guys is very high.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
what was that?
I don’t think heard you correctly
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm sure he would make a fine reliever
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
this is a real danger, to be sure
but the dude has a prototypical starter’s build at 6’3" 235 pounds.
Cleto has a 3.7 BB/9 in the minors
He’s been up and down yes, but much of the high end of the walks was during his first year in rookie ball and this year in AAA
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Still not going to come close to landing Stephen Drew.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Cleto for Drew isn't even close to a realistic possibilty.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Drew is a decent candidate for 5+ war season...
at a position where most teams have a need. Cleto MIGHT be a major league reliever some day.
Plus Drew is bringing two high draft picks in 18 months.
Sign Roy O
Anyone think Andruw Jones can still play CF?
He was a plus defender at the corners for the yanks last season (SSS) but was terrible in CF for the white sox in ’10.
All I know is he still mashes LHP and could look nice as a platoon partner for jay
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2011 7:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd say he is a poor defender and getting worse.
Fat and old, with a notoriously bad work ethic.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
No, his CF days are past
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 4, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'd actually be willing to give it a shot
he hits lefties and he’s no more ridiculous in center than berkman was in right.
i brought him up awhile back
he crushes lefties. the consensus was he is not viable as a CF anymore… which is probably right.
I want Omar Vizquel
I think he and Albert can then race each other to 3000 hits. Seriously, Omar would be great pickup — still very good defensively. Start Greene and bring in Omar for late innings.
Just win
LOL MARLINS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
lol marlins
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/every-marlins-game-sold-out-for-next-season-as-fan,26790/
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 4, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
I actually like the deal for the marlins
Not a crazy amount of years, stayed under 20M AAV, and avoided the NTC. If he stays moderately healthy, it’s a palatable deal for an org trying to make a splash
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 4, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #Marlins, Reyes in agreement on six-year, $106M deal, pending physical. #MLB
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
so is this exciting or what
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
one less team that can sign albert
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Mo loses some of his leverage, though
As has been discussed ad nauseum, Reyes would have been a nice backup plan.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
Pujols lose leverage, too.
The Marlins are the only club other than the Cardinals to make a formal offer to Pujols.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'd say its a net gain in leverage for the Cardinals
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Still a lot of potential buyers, however
Only a few ways for a GM to pick up 6-8 WAR next year, and one of them just came off the table.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
and to a team
who already had the position filled by an elite player
i guess hanley will be the 3B, though
Well, they're going to ask him to play 3B. Who knows if he's going to
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Is it us
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Sporting KC could really use a good bat at SS
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 4, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are Zack Cox and Matt Carpenter considered any better than Matt Dominguez?
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
#81 prospect in 2011
only 22, played mostly at AAA last season, but made his debut last season.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
But he can't hit
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
is this weird some how?
i thought that 18-20 for 5-6 was the going rate
and we won the world series.
mostly funny because his 18m per is 30% of the marlins payroll last year
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
That's almost $18MM AAV.
This is similar to the Holliday deal. A year shorter, a bit higher AAV, and for a player a bit younger.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't know about significantly.
Holliday played in 124 games last season and Reyes played in 126.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but reyes hasn't had a fully healthy season since 2008
last season was the only time holliday’s ever really been hurt and they were just little nagging things
but i meant more at the time the contracts were signed either way
Better than the Werth and Crawford deals.....(not a high bar)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Lack of a no-trade clause
is interesting. Yet somehow the Cards get pushed into giving Lohse and Westbrook a NTC…
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
what does the little ticker on MLBTR mean?
the winter meetings start in 30 minutes? they start at 10pm on a sunday?
Maybe that's the time of the first event on the agenda?
Like a reception at the hotel bar….
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
we should watch the twitterz
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ha, I think that might be 12 hours off.
because I’m pretty sure that is what the ticker means.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 10:24 PM EST reply actions
reply fail
(blames SBN)
(really I’m just a moran)
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 4, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Marlins to now target Pujols
Even after signing Reyes, #Marlins now plan to make aggressive push to sign Pujols, sources say. More to come at http://ESPN.com
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It would be funny if they wound up with a 150 million dollar payroll
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 4, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
goddamnit, this could actually happen
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 4, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Does anybody understand this SEC thing?
I wonder how much money is lurking under what table down in Florida.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 5, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
the full story
But just as they increased their original offer to Reyes over the weekend in their attempts to get him signed, the Marlins now will turn their attention to Pujols — and appear prepared to up their offer to him if they get indications he has sincere interest in coming to Miami. Lozano is also tentatively scheduled to meet with the Cardinals about Pujols on Monday, sources said
Balls
clank be layin down the law now
is it full moon or somethin
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Awesome the Cards will take Stanton in a salary dump 2014
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Cards should pick up Manny as a platoon partner for Berkman...
it would help keep Berk upright all year…
Sign Roy O
no
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 4, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
no
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 4, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
guay'd
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 4, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just think...
every game we could have Craig and Lance/Manny sitting on the bench waiting to wake some Scott Feldman-type.
It would be awesome.
Sign Roy O
I agree
But i needed to continue the chain.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 4, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
He could troll for a career.
Just enough reality to real you in and miss the subtle sarcasm covering the insanity. All of which is why we keep him around.
That and his good looking mother avatar.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
grandmother.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i would do it
not necessarily as a strick platoon for berk. but he could back up on the corners and at 1B and come off the bench. and he will be very cheap
Would the Cards have a roster spot to burn for Manny, since they already have Craig?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 4, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
it would be a squeeze, but i'd try to make it work
maybe carry 11 pitchers. if he starts lighting it up and looks like he could play every day, he’s always trade bait
plus, craig being a complication assumes he’s not the every day RF, which is yet to be known
He and Craig are redundant at this point, I would imagine
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Unless Pujols doesn't come back, I suppose.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 4, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno, man
i would take the redundant big time power bat. someone is sure to get hurt at some point
why?
AdamRubinESPNAdam Rubin
The St. Louis #Cardinals are going “hard” to sign Octavio Dotel. Matt Capps may be best fit for #Mets. Details: http://es.pn/tzf0ur
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 10:47 PM EST reply actions
I gotta say, I reeeealllly liked Dotel this season
I know the draft pick at stake throws a monkey wrench into things, but even so I think I think we could sign him, or ditch him and eventually gain the pick, and I’d be happy either way.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Yeah...i think the pick is too important.
It’d be different if we had a shortage of righty arms in the pen.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 4, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
the logic may be
that by signing dotel, you can trade one of the more experienced righties for that pick in the form of a minor league known quantity
I wouldn't do it because of the draft pick.
But at least it should mean buh-bye to KMac.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sophsiticated drinkers of VEB, suggest the best whiskey, whether bourbon or rye,
for a Manhattan. Ahem, please. Anything $50 or lower should do the trick. Even though a traditional Manhattan calls for rye, I’m drinking one with Maker’s now and it is so good I want to try it with a proper whiskey.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Old Crow
No question. If you got a couple spare nickels you could try Old Crow Reserve.
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Dec 4, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jim Beam makes a very good rye. (you can spot it by the yellow label)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 4, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
WIld Turkey is a good bourbon manhattan.
Jack Daniels (or other tennessee) is generally a fucking terrible manhattan.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I don't know anything about a Manhattan.
but as far as Whiskey in general, I’m a fan of Dickel. It’s really cheap, tastes pretty good (I don’t have very refined tastes, nor have I tried many top shelf brands, but it’s better than most things I’ve had), and most importantly you can make a lot of dick jokes.
nothing worse than get scooped on a dick joke
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
Try the Fu Fu Manhattan (I love this family special)
1/3 whiskey (Jim Beam or Early Times are cheap and tasty)
1/3 sweet vermouth
dash of bitters
spoonful of cherry juice
add cherry to help count how many drinks you have had
top off with 1/3 seven up
great drink if you like sweet stuff. You can add a little umbrella if you feel it is not a manly enough drink. Know that if you order this at a bar, the bartender will ask if your vagina swells when you drink it. However, it is well worth it!
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
Been out of VEB loop...
If this has been answered I apologize.
Seen on mlbtraderumors from Jon Hayman & others about Pujols and him not getting a longer/better deal. Are teams allowed to say if you have certificate we offer this or if you don’t we can offer this. As involved as players union is I didn’t know if they factored into that or not.
Side note. Reyes deal w/ fish is a joke.
by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Dec 4, 2011 11:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Your daily December Christmas song:
Queen – Thank God it’s Christmas
Written by guitarist Brian May and drummer Roger Taylor. Released on 26 November 1984, the single spent six weeks in the UK charts over Christmas 1984 and new year of 1985, and reached number 21.
Bonus!
A nice Christmastime show by Low. Includes an excellent cover of Blue Christmas along with some fairly non-traditional Christmas songs. Also has an great version of one of my favorite Low songs, Monkey (which isn’t Christmassy, but whatever).
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 4, 2011 11:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, Marlins, and Yankees
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
exciting stuff huh
despite rumours about the marlins still oing hard after pujols, im thinking you guys are safe now.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, Marlins, and Yankees
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 4, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
"O"ing hard after pujols
Yeah, I’ve done this. Three HR world series game, being the most recent.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 4, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
'grats on the new shortstop.
I hear he’s kind of exciting.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 4, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
This opens the door for Theriot to become the Mets new shortstop
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 4, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wanna wake up......in a city
where it is…..what it is
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 4, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how come people pick up on it when T_C makes the joke, and not me
grouse
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
clearly i need moar monocle
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
TC
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 4, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
You need someone to fly a Hughes 500 through a hail of gunfire?
I’m your man.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 4, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
only if you turn Higgy-baby's headset off
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 4, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't until you asked
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it better be in lyric form
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
fact: life without baseball is boring
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
by mattyp on Dec 4, 2011 11:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
eh, its got its moments
but, I do have a year’s worth of TV shows to catch up on, so maybe it will set in when I get caught up
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 4, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
for the life of me i can't understand why anyone can't beat the WWL
it’s not that hard, have colorful men & women who don’t make viewers filled with murderous rage read highlights & report the days news. with the embarrassing assclowns they have, especially on sunday’s & monday’s, it should be very easy for a competitor to have a better sportscenter type programming
Balls
I agree
but that’s the way the world works. They have control and they’ll keep it. But it does enrage me every time they recap a game, only to offer 5 minutes of “expert” analysis and 12 seconds of actual game footage.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
I'm bored. Entertain me.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
So, you know that 37 Hornsby order that M&N cancelled?
Turns out, they cancelled the order on the same day that it was delivered. Mrs. Scoot let me sweat it out for a few days, then got worried that I would finally get ahold of someone and get busted. Also, we apparently haven’t been billed for it yet.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 4, 2011 11:59 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
This is like a Very Special Christmas Episode of Viva El Birdos.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 5, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I'm envisioning the music from A Charlie Brown Christmas
re-recorded by Radiohead and Weezer.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 5, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Also, high five your wife for me
even though you bitched about it non-stop to your Internet friends.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 5, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
whoa, whoa, whoa
I thought we agreed to take it slow. Internet compatriots, or colleagues. Co-browsers, at best.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
do you believe in co-browsing before marriage
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
damnit.
My Musial better show tomorrow.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
seriously though, good luck.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Great song, opr greatest song?
link, excuse the video and apologies to Van Morrison
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
So the Marlins are looking at a potential top 5 of
Reyes
Hanley
Stanton
LoMo
Gaby Sanchez
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
oh, fuck that
LSU and Alabama in the national championship game. Wanted to see OSU take a shot at LSU.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
is it possible
that one of pujols’ stipulations for signing was that the marlins prove they are serious about being competitive and the reyes deal was intended to lure pujols to miami?
we should let it play out
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
These puns are all crappie
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you have to carp about the quality of their puns?
by peach concrete on Dec 5, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
MIKE TROUT IS A GOOD BASEBALL PLAYER
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I hate to be the voice of reason
but we’ve krilled these fish puns. Lets move on.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
a poophead is a type of fish however
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 5, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Is that Rui the fish?
btw you’re welcome
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You're awesome.
You actually might have put yourself into the playoffs with your huge week. You need MJD to get less than 9 pts to get the 6th spot.
And lord, no. Rui the fish is a far more handsome devil than that monstrosity.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
although he calls himself the "puma fish"
for obvious reasons.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
On the subject of the big puma... (redundant to write "on the subject" in the subject line? Yes, but it's late.
I re-watched Game 5 of the DS with my mom over Thanksgiving (she was too nervous to watch that game), and discovered that she calls Berkman “Honey Bunny.” No one else, just Berk.
by peach concrete on Dec 5, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
pulp fiction fan?
your mom sounds kinda badass. What does she call Theriot, The Gimp?
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Theriot?
And I quote: “Who’s that funny little guy with the weird facial hair?”
I spit out my drink.
by peach concrete on Dec 5, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's from Pulp Fiction.
She’s never seen that movie. It’s just how she feels about Berkman. She ADORES him.
by peach concrete on Dec 5, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
damn
like a cold harpoon of truth. Okay, truce.
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
needz moar chemistry puns.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 5, 2011 2:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
what are you guys carping about?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
It's just the salmon joke over and over.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 5, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I am so proud
you all caught on
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Maybe,
but I wonder how they’ll convince him that they’ll remain competitive instead of just blowing it up in a year or two.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 5, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
They'll be financially raping the taxpayers for decades...
no need to blow it up this time.
Sign Roy O
"sexual violation" and "being taxed somewhat more for spurious reasons:"
Not the same thing.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 5, 2011 12:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
BACHELOR FROG
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
New for 2012,
Hipster Asian.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
UGH, i don't want to get another warning, but someone really needs to do something about strauss
Balls
why did you ever follow in the first place?
If he tweets something of importance, it will be retweeted.
Still not a werewolf.
I actually have him blocked
so I don’t get his retweets either.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
anyway, the article that iw ould advise gdm and the continental not to read is up
mainly it just states that the marlins aren’t going to be able to push much after signing reyes and that no one else is currently bidding, but pujols is mad about holliday’s contract and some innocuous comment by mo’ last summer
Since it's Strauss I'm not going to read it.
Suffice to say, I’m sure anonymous source with axe to grind is totally onto something about Holliday’s contract which is less than the reported deal offered to Pujols.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
i may have mischaracterized it a bit
he’s upset that he wasn’t engaged in contract extension talks in 2010 and was further “irritated” by mo’s comment that talks this winter would be independent of talks last winter/spring
i'm not sure either of those words mean what you think they mean
but i certainly didn’t tell you to read it. you know how annoying you find joe strauss? that’s how i feel about people complaining about joe strauss
well you know how annoying you find people complaining about joe strauss?
that’s how I feel about people complaining about people complaining about joe strauss.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
how do you feel about 26-year-old jerkwad's who think they have the right to give their opinion about other people's posts?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
easy, fellas.
let’s not get into personal attacks.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
I was just trying to keep it from devolving into something.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
I don't get much of a kick out of that stuff.
I really hate it when I get sucked into one and can’t make myself stop.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
I found Bernie's piece from yesterday morning
to be exactly what everybody around here has been saying. Give Pujols his distinction as the highest paid player for less years and maybe some mutual options.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
that's one way to put it
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
GUYZ R WE REALLLY GUNNA LOS POOHOLES?!
i fail at teh subjunctive
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 5, 2011 1:13 AM EST reply actions
Fang's drunk again
C’mon guys lets write on his forehead.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 5, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yadi goes on his second RT of the week...
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 5, 2011 2:14 AM EST reply actions
RT spree
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 5, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
literally retweets everything sent to him for an hour
before the RT sprees, it was the occasional LETS GO CARDS copied over and over or something in spanish.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 5, 2011 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
oh i see
https://twitter.com/#!/Yadimolina04/status/102853918417108992
so it’s that and RTs of people asking for RTs. i think i’ll pass. recently i think i unfollowed every athlete except for lomomarlins anyway, because their tweets usually are boring
really? he led the AL in FIP in 2011.
Also, the A’s left him out of their promotional photos on the starting rotation, so he added himself in:
Still not a werewolf.
come to think of it, I probably wouldn't have any idea who he was
if I hadn’t watched half of the A’s games last season in hopes of that Coco Crisp badge. F’n American League.
Still not a werewolf.
hell yes I did
took forever. Turns out that the Athletics are really, really bad.
Still not a werewolf.
i don't know much about the AL
especially when it’s not an AL east team or the rangers after playinga 7-game series with them
who knows, the account never posts anything of significance ever
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 5, 2011 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
note that none of the Cardinals writers follow him
they’re usually the first. And there’s a noticeable lack of spanish.
Still not a werewolf.
sanchez follows him
we need more internet detectives on the case.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 5, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, im unfollowing
you have planted the seed of doubt in my mind
also, it never said anything even remotely intriguing or coherent.
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 5, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
So I was reading in Baseball Between the Numbers
that third basemen gain a defensive advantage by moving to centerfield.
David Freese for right-handed CF anyone? (note: for some reason I don’t think this will actually work.)
Our back up 3B's are left-handed.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
you would bring that up
and here I was daydreaming about watching Freese try to catch up to a lazy fly to R/CF.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
LoMo nohoro
and we won the world series.
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 5, 2011 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
fast teams would do well in that park
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
now that I've looked at it
it’s not any bigger than Busch
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
nevermind. I was looking at it the wrong way
yeah that going to be huge. I need to go to bed.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
I went back and found my prediction
In early June, I predicted 6y/120m for Reyes. A bit high, but I feel good about it.
Bow before my prescience or just go to bed or whatever.
was this at the height of your ' do a thing' movement?
you were on a roll for a while there.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 5, 2011 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ha, that didn't last too long
It was ridiculously good for like the first month or two of the season and then, of course, regressed to the mean.
this meme did morph into "he's do"
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
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