The Mystery of Carlos Beltran's 2010 Knee Surgery
by bgh on Dec 30, 2011 10:02 AM EST
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Last week the St. Louis Cardinals reportedly agreed to a two-year deal with free agent outfielder Carlos Beltran that will be worth approximately $26 million. A proven veteran coming off one of the best offensive seasons of his career, Beltran was available on a relatively short deal of two years at a fair price largely because of the recent history he has with knee troubles and corrective surgery. To put the risk Beltran's health poses in the proper context, I thought we might take a look at the nature of Beltran's right knee injury and the surgical procedure he underwent to repair it.
The initial reporting on Beltran's surgery was rather cloudy. This is likely due to a combination of the race to be first that Twitter has created against the MLB gossip columnists and the fact that Beltran did not accept the Mets team doctor's assessment and opted to seek out the opinion of a doctor recommended by the outfielder's then-agent Scott Boras. It seems that the Mets were not exactly sure what surgery Beltran underwent and the initial concerns were echoed by media types dependent on Mets sources for their information. The opening salvo came from Joel Sherman of the New York Post with the conditional language that so often accompanies the tweeting of unsubstantiated rumor:
Trying to get 2d confirmation, but hear that Beltran had microfracture knee surgery today without #Mets permission
Even though Passan later revised his initial tweet and reporting an arthroscopic cleanout, the "Beltran had microfracture surgery" news raced around the internet at full speed. I don't follow the Mets all that closely so, since the beginning of the Cardinals' courtship of Beltran, I had been operating under the belief that Beltran had undergone microfracture surgery. It seems that Derrick Goold, the excellent journalist for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, was operating under the same assumption. In the must-read follow-up to his article that broke the story of the signing, Goold writes the following:
More than a full season removed from prolonged knee troubles and microfracture surgery on his right knee in January 2010, Beltran embraced the opportunity to appear in center, an associate said.
When I first read this article, I did not bat an eye at the report of Beltran having had microfracture surgery. Indeed, the idea for this post was to put together a little bit of information on microfracture surgery for Cardinals fans. As I began working on a post about Beltran's microfracture surgery last weekend, I came to the conclusion that Beltran did not have microfracture surgery on his right knee.
Back in January 2010--after the Sherman tweets and a Mets press release--Ben Shipgel of the Times reported that Beltran underwent "arthroscopic surgery, making him unlikely to play in April." The Shipgel piece in the Times also explains the Mets' anger over the decision, that it was performed by Beltran's personal physician--Dr. Richard Steadman, who pioneered microfracture surgery--without the club's permission, and that the Mets had sought legal advice from the commissioner's office about whether the club could penalize Beltran for receiving unauthorized medical care.
In a 2011 Spring Training post on injured players with a fantasy baseball focus, Will Carroll--he of the Twitter tag "@injuryexpert"--addressed Indians center fielder Grady Sizemore, who had microfracture surgery in 2010, and Beltran.
People lump Beltran and Sizemore together, but they're actually on two sides of similar issue. Sizemore had microfracture surgery last year to try and correct his chronic knee problem, while Beltran has done everything in the book to avoid a similar fate.
David Waldstein further addresses Beltran's knee injury and 2010 surgery in the New York Times in July of last year. Waldstein quotes Beltran at length in the article, beginning with Beltran's recollection of the prognosis given to him by the Mets team physician.
"It wasn't like I wanted to have the operation," Beltran said. "But when I met with the doctor in New York, the team doctor, he told me there was nothing he could do for me. The team doctor is saying there is nothing he can do for you. I was thinking: 'Well, that's the end of my career? I'm not going to play baseball anymore?'
"No, no. Come on, man. For a bone bruise? I'm not going to be able to play this game anymore? I wasn't going to give up. I felt that I needed to search for the best doctor in the world, and Scott was able to find the doctors, and thank God I feel good."
Waldstein reports that Dr. Steadman gave Beltran the option of either undergoing microfracture surgery or "an arthroscopic procedure to clean out loose bodies in the knee, then allow ample time for the knee to heal." Beltran explained to Waldstein his rationale for opting to undergo arhtroscopic surgery:
"I wasn't going to do microfracture because microfracture is 12 months of rehab, and you don't know what you are going to get," Beltran said. "I wanted to get scoped and be safe. If the scope doesn't work, then we move on to the next one."
The invaluable "Injury History" chart at Baseball Prospectus is in line with the New York Times reports. According to Baseball Prospectus, Beltran missed time in 2009 due to a right knee contusion to the tibia. Beltran then underwent a "scope and chronoplasty" on January 13, 2010, which caused him to miss significant time--114 games total in 2010--before his return in mid-July.
I compared Beltran's injury history to that of Sizemore, the only MLB player I could recall offhand who has undergone microfracture surgery; in June 2010, Sizemore was placed on the 60-day DL due to "microfracture patella." In October 2011, Sizemore underwent another knee surgery that is specifically labeled "not microfracture" on his injury history chart. Thus, it seems unlikely that Baseball Prospectus mis-labeled Beltran's procedure.
In 2011, Beltran spent no time on the disabled list, played in 142 games, and posted a line of .300/.385/.525 (for a wOBA of .389) in 598 plate appearances. While his defense in right field was not of the caliber one once saw from Beltran, the Cardinals plan on playing Beltran in center field, according to the Goold article, due to "confidence in Beltran's knee" and the assessments of scouts who believe "Beltran moved well enough to handle center." With Beltran now approximately two years removed from arthroscopic surgery--as opposed to microfracture surgery--I feel much more confident that the Cardinals' assessment is the correct one.
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I'll just leave this here
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 30, 2011 10:03 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
its better than posting this
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Dec 30, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can see IHB flagging this shortly.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
its a terrible thing to wake up to
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
so much potential here.......
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
twss :(
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
why post the same picture twice?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
by pattimagee on Dec 30, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Agree
what this has to do with microfracture surgery, I can never imagine.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 30, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Watch this..
Actually don’t watch it, you’ll hate it. It became an internet sensation.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Someone gave my son a CD at preschool last year.
It was this song, nothing else. Cruel joke or idiot parent who thought it was a decent song?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I almost miss when my old coworker would play this as soon as I came into the office every Friday
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 30, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
i liked when they started coming out with dubbed-over versions of it.
my favorite was the hardcore metal version.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
the dubstep is pretty funny...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
I recommend Conan O'Brien's 'Thursday'
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 30, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Conan is awesome
Thursday is towards the end of this
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
That is funny
Have you ever seen his ‘History of Rap’ with JT? Pure awesomeness
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
All I could locate was History of Rap 2
And that was pretty good. I was convinced Biz Markie was coming out there at the end.
This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid.
- Jackie Brown
If you are guys into dark comedies
I recommend reading the comments in the MLBTR thread, Braves, Rays, Mets Interested In Ryan Theriot
I was reading that the other day.
It made me cringe since they don’t understand what they are getting themselves into with him at shortstop
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 30, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
reading that was like taking a trip through Tormented Space
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
VEBers
have traditionally never been that tolerant of some of our MIF “solutions”. like Adam Kennedy, Aaron Miles (who someone here called no bettter than a AA player, and who didn’t deserve to be in MLB), Skippy, Theriot, Lopez (deservedly), and so on. But teams keep on giving them contracts, and even significant playing time, which is what I cannot understand. Is there such a dearth of MIFers?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 30, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
MIFers are like pitching prospects
you can never have too many.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
who are they?
I don’t even….
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
That's great stuff.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm sure that this was discussed yesterday...
but when I read that Pujols’ contract was backloaded, i thought “wait, they’re going to be paying a 41 year-old over $30,000,000.00 each year? That seems like alot.”
I know that “it allowed the Angels to sign CJ Wilson”, but it seems like the opposite of what I would like (as a fan).
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I mean, it helps to remember that the club can set aside money whenever it chooses
so holding the money for longer just allows them to invest it, reducing the ultimate cost of paying the player. If they paid him $254m in the last year of the contract, the numbers would look ridiculous, but it would actually be the best financial structure from the club’s perspective.
this is true.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
yes and no
from a PV perspective absolutely, but it gives them some level of refinancing risk for an amount so large so they would probably not want to do that.
Just win
Either way you're going to be paying him 260 million
Backloading just takes more advantage of inflation. I know its cringeworthy, but this makes the deal a lot better from the Angel’s perspective.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Dec 30, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Think of it as a Westbrook start.
Its very ugly early on, and then things settle down as the game progresses. By the end, all is back to normal.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 30, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Wait
Don’t most Westbrook starts go well and then completely fall apart in the 5th?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
most? yes.
this isn’t one of those though.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
That's on his good days
Don’t most Westbrook starts go well and then completely fall apart in the 5th?
A fair share of them fall apart in the 3rd or 4th.
But he won game 6 of the WS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 30, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
he did pitch pretty well that inning
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
For a sinkerballer who gave up nothing but fly balls
I would say that inning went well
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 30, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
exactly
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
More of a Jackson start, really
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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Microfracture surgery is always a scary option for athletes
I agree of your feelings bgh. I still think that Beltran is an injury risk, but it was a good one taken by the Cardinals.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I feel much better about Beltran, and I really didn't feel badly about him before.
Thanks for digging all that up, bgh. Pretty sure I would’ve gone to another doctor right quick, if I had been him. Part of me wants to think that he won’t be as exposed by our pitching staff as with other teams.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions
It's a strange story really
when was the last time a team doctor through up his hands and said, “we can’t help you”? sounds like there is more to that part of the story.
The fact that he has lost so much speed is interesting as well as evidenced by his SB totals and inability to play CF above average. suggests that there is more wrong than a simple “scope”
Just win
You're right. The part about the Mets'
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
(grumble, mutter)
…Mets’ docs doesn’t make much sense.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
there probably is
it is my experience that what you tell a patient and what they hear are two completely different things. More likely they told him that there was nothing to do at this time because the internal damage wasn’t enough to warrant surgery.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Great article, bgh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Nobody asked you.
Also, I see where everyone agreed to ban you.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
mysterui
what are your off-season duties with SKC?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
begging and pleading for them to keep him around
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Assist with the draft, find different systems to make our data flow more efficient, work on my own projects
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Happy Birthday to Sandy Koufax
Hall of Fame pitcher with the Dodgers. Youngest player to be elected to the HOF. Career 9.3 K per 9 innings ratio. Four no-hitters including a perfecto. Posted four consecutive bWAR years of 10.8, 7.8, 8.2, and 10.8 during 1963 – 1966. Won 3 Cy Youngs (all unanimous) and finished 3rd the other time in that 4 year span. At which point he promptly retired at the age of 30 due to arthritis. Talk about going out on top !
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 30, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions
He was sooooooooooo durned good.
It is a shame his career was so short.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
A salute to Sandy Koufax
I know some people on this blog probably look at me as an old man
that is living in the past and likes to tell “ole timey” stories..and
I do try to refrain a lot but I have just got to tell this one.
I was a great admirer of Sandy Koufax and some of his duels with
Bob gibson were something to behold Koufax but had a well publicized
problem with Authritis in his left arm and for about the last 2 years
of his career recieved weekly cortozone shots in his after pitching to
be able to make his next start.
A lot was written about it in sport pages at the time and there was a
of comments by doctors about how dangerous this was but Koufax continued.
To shorten a long story, Koufax was pitching in the second game of the 1966
world series against Baltimore and was being the normal overpowering Koufax.
But in the 5th inning, Willie Davis, a normally good center fielder dropped,
not one, not two but three ground balls. (this is true, check it out) Koufax,
for the first time that I had ever seen, began to labor to get out of the
inning and he did but gave up three unearned runs. On a double by Frank
Robinson. (I think)
Koufax came back out for the 6th but was not the same Koufax. He was not
hitting 90 with his fastball and Adam Wainwright overhand curve was not there.
He gave up another run. I was watching the game with a friend and we both
agreed that Koufax was done and you would’nt see him pitch again and he
didn’t. He didn’t make another start in the series and announced his
retirement shortly after. Koufax threw away his arm in the 5th inning of that
game.
by ridgesee on Dec 30, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
ridgesee... seriously, never refrain. Tell as many stories as you can think of
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah, don't stop. I know that a great many of us enjoy it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks,
but you know I don’t see too well anymore (got to get some new glasses) and I drop a lot of words and I don’t pick it up even when I re read. After I post it, here they come glaring out. sorry, hope you can make it out. sorry
pretty sure we all speak internet-ese
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
if we can understand GDM, we can certainly understand ridgesee
you should tell us a story ever day during the off season ridgesee
Balls
it's just fine.
I agree with the others, continue posting these stories!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Fourth'ed
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
If you can't tell by now we can't get enough ridgesee, thanks!
I for one, read right through as if the missing word were still there. (weak jok here)
Question, do you use the preview button before clicking post? If not and you are still bothered by errors, this might help. From personal experience, whenever I fail to “preview” a comment, after posting I see a glaring error. Sometimes I rewrite/or rephrase on the fly, then post and realize I’ve left in extra words or omitted necessary ones, but like MtF says above, we’re experienced enough to know what people are saying even with errors.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 31, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Great story - I appreciate your posts as well
A couple footnotes. Prior to the 1966 season, Koufax was advised by his doctor to retire. Instead he started 41 games and went 27-9 with a 1.73 ERA over 323 innings. In the last game of the regular season, in a must win game, he pitched a complete game victory on 2 days rest.
In the WS Game 2, a minor correction to ridgesee’s post, Willie Davis 3 errors came on two dropped flyballs and a wild throw – all in the same inning.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for that Puget
at least now, people will know I wasn’ t telling a complete lie. Where did you get this information by the way?
Got the information from deep in my memory banks.
Verified it at baseball almanac
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/yr1966ws.shtml
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 30, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
You're lying puget
you went and looked that up. I see I made another error. Robinson hit a tripple instead of a double and powell followed with a single.
The Willie Davis stuff I remembered
The Koufax stuff I got from his Wikipedia page
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 30, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. That had to be heartbreaking to watch live.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Continenal, when you get time
If you go over to my post on the 64 world series before it
rides off into the sunset, and scroll down a short ways, about eight
or so comments below where you asked me if I remembered much about
the 46 series, I went back and posted a comment just for you.
It was something I remembered later and I thought you might get a
kick out of it and I hope you do.
I did see that.
Stringbean. Heh.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
The post ridgesee mentioned, y’all.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with rui - never refrain
besides, there are many examples on VEB where someone should have refrained, but most of them are not baseball related.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Well if you're an "old man that is living in the past"
Then we need more of them, cause your stories are always great and thoroughly enjoyable. I don’t know much about individual games and players from previous eras and your stories allow me to learn more about them and have a greater appreciation for the game today.
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Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 30, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Love the old timers stuff. Keep it up.
BTW, were you there in WW I when War Horse was alive?
We just don't recognize the most significant events of our lives while they're happening. - Moonlight Graham
thanks Gibby I hadn't heard of that movie yet
Thought you might be referring to Man of War, so googled and found this War Horse
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 31, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
More of you guys should of came out for the VEB Meetup
The bar was pretty solid. Nice variety with an 8oz beers for only $2.50
If it hadn't been a two hour trip, I would've loved to.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, mine would've been a 5.5-hour trip.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
But I see that you didn't get banned!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Would it make you feel better if I banned RiverRat?
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Dec 30, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
...yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Would it make you feel better if I said that I didn't wait for your answer?
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Dec 30, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
asshat
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 30, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and yes, he did actually do it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Well if google would get off of its ass and get Chrome out of Beta
Maybe more companies would switch to it.
Grit != flat out sucking.
oh you are at work?
well its nice they use firefox instead of IE.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Yeah, we're stuck in the stone-age of IE7 here
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Dec 30, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Surprisingly, no.
Large healthcare organization
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Dec 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, those can be just as bad.
I used to work for a company that sold budgeting/costing software to hospitals. Some of them wouldn’t upgrade (for free) to our 2010 version because it didn’t work on IE6 and they didn’t want to upgrade from IE6.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I do work for the FED...
…and we use Chrome and waste you tax dollars by blowing time here.
So ha!
Chrome is still in beta?
Are you sure?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
From Wiki
Google Chrome is a web browser developed by Google that uses the WebKit layout engine. It was first released as a beta version for Microsoft Windows on September 2, 2008, and the public stable release was on December 11, 2008. The name is derived from the graphical user interface frame, or “chrome”, of web browsers. As of December 2011, Chrome is the second most widely used browser, having recently overtaken Mozilla Firefox, with 25.69% worldwide usage share of web browsers and is the most popular browser in South America1, according to StatCounter.23
(Bold emphasis mine)
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Chrome won't install on my machine at work.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
This seems as good as any comment to reply to in this subthread.
Does anyone here use Chrome on a MacBook? Should I switch from Safari to Chrome?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
My wife and daughter both do
I suggested to them that they should try it. There are a few minor issues, but it just seems to do so much more than Safari.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I can also download the Chrome MLB player app.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I definitely prefer firefox
I like its layout better, and Chrome doesn’t work any fast for me.
Plus, I have an irrational dislike of Google. I’m a Yahoo guy.
I am a college student that sleeps with a St. Louis Cardinals Fredbird Pillow Pet, and I am proud of it.
that whole exchange was classic!
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 31, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
that would've been a long trip to get your drink on
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'll have to check it out sometime
By the time I got home from work and ate it was pretty late. I didn’t think anyone would still be out. Went to Cafe Eau instead
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 30, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
oh man
I completely forgot to check the thread to see if a place and date was set.
:(
Grit != flat out sucking.
Don't hurt him, fink.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Budweiser was $3 on the Landing 20 years ago.
That’s really not bad when figured for inflation and a better quality of beer.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I used to drink pints of obsidian stout for $2 a pint in college...
and that was just a decade ago.
Sign Roy O
Are you talking draft pints?
or a 16 oz bottle? Draft is always cheaper.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Deschutes is good stuff. I’ve only ever had the Black Butte porter but it was fantastic.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
maalox advanced is your friend
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
That would suck if there was a finite amount of good beer...
and it was controlled by people who hated us…
Sign Roy O
are you talking about the Wall Street trading houses?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
was jok
probably for the best though
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I hear you...
but when a thread goes wrong they just follow it up til they come to my name…
Sign Roy O
you can get a 40 of budwesier now for less than 3 bucks
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
but then you are out 3 dollars
and you’re stuck drinking forty ozs of budwesier.
Grit != flat out sucking.
it tastes better halfway through
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent article, bgh.
Thanks for clearing the air on Beltran’s knee.
Also, that injury history section in BP is fantastic. I’ve been looking for something like that for quite a while.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions
There was a great site that started (its name escapes me) with injury history for each MLB player.
Folks kept using the information without attribution so the site folded and gave or sold its info to Baseball Prospectus because BP had always properly cited where it got the information. Now, BP has this wonderful injury history database.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Sig's gone
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Mejdal?
Astros?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yes, yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Trying to jam your foot in the door?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Nah I'm good where I'm at
I think it looks way better to do my own thing in soccer for a few years than to start out as a SQL database person in the organization.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I agree with that.
You can be more of a pioneer where you are then just another paean.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
however the f&%$ it's spelled
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Are you suggesting mysterui is not a song of joy and exuberance?
Sign Roy O
by guayzimi on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will compose an Ode to a Sabermetrician Nerd in his honor to make up for it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'm sure his wife thinks he is.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
that was literally the only spelling of that word that came to me
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I had to look up what a paean was to be sure
Anyway, it’s kind of tough to keep some of these words straight, since English pretty much doesn’t pronounce any Greek words correctly as far as I can tell.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I was pretty sure I remembered but Wikipedia confirmed
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I had a pretty good laugh when I read your correction.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
would you want to your way over to baseball eventually?
by purple_haze on Dec 30, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe. It'd have to be the right situation
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Look at this guy.
Finally gets a paycheck, and all of a sudden he’s choosing his situations.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 30, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You wouldn't have been qualified for that job anyway
And I’m sure that’s not the only job/internship available with the Astros. I might apply for an internship there for over the summer, it seems like they are getting really saber heavy.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
We were talking last night
How long till Vuch leaves for the Astros
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 30, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Vuch's been with the Cards since the 70's.
Do you really think that he’s going anywhere at this point?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Quote from DG's Birdland FB page:
My New Year’s wish for everyone: I hope we are all lucky enough to be richly insulted in 2012.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions
Who richly insulted Goold?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
in a Pujolsan sense
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was in regards to the Cardinals not being picked to win anything in the postseason
but your idea makes much more sense.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
He and I were joking about that on FB the other day.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
My first instinct when I read this was that he wants the Cardinals to be insulted and hated out of jealousy from winning the WS again
Since, you know, it’s all about winning.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I think MaytheForschbewithyou has the reasoning.
When Goold’s makes the play on words of “richly insulted,” he has to be referencing one Albert Pujols.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
thats the way i read it
But I’ll probably be poorly insulted with a 2% raise this year
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was poorly insulted this year with 2% as well
and I promptly started looking for a new job. Found one after 4 months. I’m making 10% more plus bonus potential. The sucky thing is that I had to start paying my student loans in October so I have no more cash flow than I did earlier this year.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
But you would have had less w/o the move, glass half full
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 31, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I look forward to Beltran being one more quality hitting run in our offensive ladder
I envision a spectrum of hitters for this team that spans between average/above average to downright excellent. Tell me if I’m totally off base or too optimistic with these hopeful wOBA numbers (also keep in mind that league average was ~.320 in 2010 and ~.315 in 2011, I think).
Holliday: .390-ish
Berkman: .380-ish (etc.)
Beltrán: .370
Craig: .360
Freese .350
Furcal: .340
Jay: .330
Molina, Greene: .320
I’m guessing this could be a little optimistic on Freese and Greene, to start.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
A lineup of entirely average-or-better hitters is one of those cool things I look for as a baseball fan
Obviously, in the NL one has to account for the pitcher’s spot. And there may have been some lineup cards in 2011 that accomplished it too at one point or another, but I don’t know if that was "true talent’ since it may have depended on Theriot’s hot start or Punto’s surprisingly awesome hitting that year.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I anticipate Descalso playing more than Greene.
Which means we’ll likely have at least one below-average batter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, that's probably most likely
Maybe he can manage a .310-or-so wOBA… then he’d only be one rung below Molina! My scheme will totally work…
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
iirc, a lot of projections had furcal around .320.
Greene I might say is more likely a .300, .310. Otherwise, it looks pretty reasonable.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 30, 2011 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I also figure Beltran, Berkman, and Holliday could also beat those figures since they have all been such good hitters in the past
Anyway, I just like the whole “gradual descending order” thing. Although I’d obviously prefer it if the whole team just puts up .400 wOBAs too.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Why so low on Molina?
He had a pretty darn good year last year and I don’t see any reason he couldn’t repeat or even better last year’s performance.
His biggest cheerleader
caught the last train for the coast.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't that low
he has (IIRC) precisely one above-average offensive season in his career, and .320 wOBA is probably going to be roughly average next year.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 30, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Molina's last 5 seasons:
2007: .311 wOBA
2008: .323 wOBA
2009: .337 wOBA
2010: .299 wOBA
2011: .349 wOBA
I’d say .320 is pretty fair. Molina somehow added a lot of power to his game last season. His .160 IOS is 56 points higher than his previous career high of .106 in both 2005 and 2006. I don’t think he’s likely to duplicate that. I hope he does, but I don’t think it’s likely. Also, with his speed, a .311 BABIP repeat seems unlikely. His career BABIP is .286.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not a saber guy
but isn’t it ISO? And I am, sort of, a mathematician, and the last time I looked, .160 is 54 points higher than .106.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops. Yes and yes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's just a really big Apple fan
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
My wife had Steadman do microfracture surgery on her right knee
back in ‘96. It was still a fairly new procedure then. I don’t recall that it was a 12-month recuperation time, but then, she’s not a pro athlete, either. Even so, it was the fourth (and currently, last) procedure on her knee. Eventually, she’ll have to have both of her knees replaced.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions
Actually, it was '95.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
is there any reason to think that beltran's knee troubles will come back?
i’m not familiar with anything medical-related, so i don’t know if this is a common occurrence with knees. i mean, like with TJ surgery, it seems like those guys never have to have ANOTHER TJ surgery.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Knees are different--or knee cartilage is, at least
you can’t really ever fix it to be as good as it started. In Beltran’s case, he didn’t even go with the TJ analogue (microfracture or chondrocyte implantation, which attempt to replace lost/damaged tissue); he went with the much less intense option of just scoping the knee (cleaning out damaged tissue that’s causing problems, smoothing over damaged areas). So yes, his troubles could recur.
(I’m sure one of the PTs here knows much more than I, but I’ll claim at least a little knowledge on this subject courtesy of a recent articular cartilage repair surgery.)
this is very helpful, thank you
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
You hit it pretty accurately
Stupid UCL's.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Dec 30, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
This is pretty spot on
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no need to go any further
you hit the nail on the head.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Off topic question
But does anybody know when BA releases it’s top farm system rankings by team? And where do you expect the Cardinals’ system to rank?
Cards are probably Top 10-Top 12. Dunno when they're released
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
The rankings for last year came out in March
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 30, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks!
I live in Springfield and really enjoy keeping tabs of the prospects that play in Springfield
I came away with 3 conclusions from last year's Springfield team:
1. Shelby Miller is a stud
2. Matt Adams is a stud
3. Zach Cox has no idea where the ball is going once it leaves his hand
what do you mean by #3?
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
i'm assuming defense, but i didn't know his throwing was an issue
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
apparently, he's Nuke Laloosh at 3B
just a guess.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still betting we will be top 8
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would be really disappointed if we're not top 5 or 6
seems to me there’s only maybe 2 systems in baseball that are CLEARLY better than ours. We’ve pretty clearly got at least 5 top-100 prospects, and I think you can make an argument for as many as 8.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 30, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
come on, dude.
just let it go. you’ll feel better.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know
I was just reading about how he accomodated the Angels by backloading his contract (aw, ain’t that sweet, now they also can get CJ Wilson) and it just set me off again. Mark my words, karma’s gonna get that guy.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 30, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
What Pujols did is not all that accommodating.
Pujols is already a hundred-millionaire. He just signed a guaranteed $254MM. To be sure, money today is worth more to Pujols than money tomorrw. On the flip side, money today costs the Angels more than money tomorrow. That being said, Pujols is getting $254MM one way or the other no matter what. He already has over $100MM, so what’s it to him to wait two years to collect $25MM? Not much.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 30, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and it's not like the angels didn't get a nice little shot of cash flow
to help pay for things.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Even so, they do have some rather large contracts on the books in 2012.
Wells: $24.6MM
Hunter: $18.5MM
Weaver: $14.2MM
Haren: $12.75MM
Pujols: $12MM
Santana: $11.2MM
Wilson: $10.5MM
Abreu: $9MM
By the way, Wells will earn $24.6MM and be the highest paid Angel through 2014.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hopefully they play human-outmaking-machine Trumbo a lot.
And he doesn’t improve his pitch recognizition or contact skill…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's still a league average player
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
In 2011, he was slightly above-average, I think. (2.0ish WAR, IIRC?)
In 2012, Trumbo will be moved to DH or third base. This will likely take away some, if not all, of his defensive value. In 2011, he made an out in 78% of his PAs, which is astounding. Trumbo will have to keep clubbing home runs at a high rate to maintain his value. With his seemingly poor ability to recognize pitches and/or make consistent contact, I think his production could erode a la Willy Mo Pena. Then again, he could also evolve into the next Carlos Pena, too.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
carlos pena actually takes a walk though
i really want to see them put trumbo at third and watch that train wreck
I didn't make myself clear.
By “evolve,” I meant that Trumbo is able to learn better plate discipline and pitch recognition. It doesn’t seem all that likely but it could happen. Especially with as much power as he hits for.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Slightly concerned that Trumbo is the best Matt Adams comp i've seen in a few years
although I expect Adams to hit for another .050 points of BA or so, hopefully.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 30, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
The problem is that Trumbo is athletic and Adams really isn’t. Trumbo is an above-average fielder and decent baserunner. I don’t think Adams will ever be either of those things.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Certainly not the latter
unless he loses 50-60 lbs. There’s no way he weighs only 230, which is what BR has listed him as.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
How crazy...
would 2012 WS Cardinals vs. Angels be!?
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Not as good as
2012 WS-winning Cardinals vs. losing Angels.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not as good as
2012 WS-winning Cardinals vs. Red Sox (because the ’04 WS was cancelled)
Angels not in playoffs
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
i know it will happen again
But it wouldn’t break my heart if the red sox don’t win another world series in my lifetime
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The "it's just business" defense is fine with me
as long as it works both ways, Once Albert and his wife injected emotion into it, all bets were off as far as I was concerned. So, I am not swayed by the “it’s just business” argument anymore.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I understand being upset Albert left and I kind
Of buy the anger that he said it wasn’t about the money when it transparently was. But fretting about his contract structure is just kind of silly. Look at it a different way: the Angels contract will pay him more money, and be fully paid by 2021 .
You’re just grabbing an arbitrary end point to make the contract look bad.
The personal attacks on albert seem over the top.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Agree.
BUt there’s still the 10-year personal services contract after that. Is there a nnumber associated with the PS K?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
the PS takes it up to 280, I think.
and that’s not factoring in the ‘milestone incentives’.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
meh
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 30, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
this so dumb
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i stayed home from work today, you guys
it is awesome
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Will they even notice you are gone ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 30, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
not today they won't
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What is the best pay based baseball site
I want to read more league wide in depth baseball stuff. Can’t decide between Baseball Prospectus or Baseball America. I already have ESPN insider
I like Baseball Prospectus a lot.
Jay Jaffe’s stuff on the Hall of Fame is really good. They send you a daily email with articles. It is a good mix of fantasy baseball analysis, league-wide analysis, injury analysis, etc. I think you can buy a one-month subscription, if you want to test drive it.
I do not have a Baseball America subscription, so I can’t speak to that site.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
go with BP
BA’s projectability/tools heavy perspective can get a bit annoying. I bet they’re gonna have Billy Hamilton in the top 40 and it’s gonna make me do a facepalm.
BP gives you more bang for the buck
New content pretty much everyday. You get good prospect analysis from guys like Kevin Goldstein and Jason Parks plus a bunch of major league analysis that BA doesn’t have.
BP also has the best saber writers now
Colin Wyers, Mike Fast.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jerry Crasnick
writes about his MLB game of the year at ESPN. (Hint: it’s a game David Freese played in.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
favorite comment
I am a Cards fan and have been all my life. My wife went to sleep with the Rangers up 3 and asked me to wake her up so she could watch them celebrate. Of course I wasn’t looking forward to doing that. Also by that point I was begining to accept defeat and say they put up a heck of a fight, blah, blah, blah.
A couple innings later, as I stood there with the count 1-2 and getting ready to make the slow walk to the bedroom to wake her up he hit the triple. I woke her screaming jumping up and down for joy like a 5-yr old. That is what made that game special for me. Then to do it all over again the next inning…..
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 30, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Also enjoyed this more than I should
i was there, and it was more like the worst game of all time
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 30, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i never did get to hear the call from the british guy
anyone have that link handy?
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Hah!!
awesome.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
thanks! that is awesome
he hits it high, he hits it long, he hits it into centre field!
you’d think the card DIN als had won the world series!
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I'd not heard that yet
Somethings the Brits are just better at…calling big sports moments may be one of them
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dunno, it's kind of a lame call IMO
i find Spanish language announcers generally much more exciting.
If you think that call is lame
then YOU"RE lame! I love that. Although, the version where it’s synced with the video that used to be somwhere on Youtube was better.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
i know some of you may hate me for this
but I didn’t care for the “we’ll see you tomorrow night” line. It seemed forced. There was a big pause in the middle.
I like the Brit much better.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
It was in tribute to Jack making the same call 20 years ago and Jack often paused in the middle of sentences
So Joe called it just like Jack did
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 30, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I knew what it was, but I guess I didn't remember Jack pausing
when he said see you tomorrow night. Then again, I was in grade school when Jack was calling WS games in the 80s so maybe I’m not remembering it correctly.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
jack did pause, just not quite as long as joe's
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you can hear them both here
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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yeah, I like jack's
still don’t like joe’s
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
the timing might have been to emphasize and pay homage to Jack
It was still very similar, and he was watching the action all around him, taking in the action, fans jumping onto the grass, taking in the magnitude of night and outcome, what had just unfolded
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 31, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I liked it a lot.
The problem with American sportscasters nowadays, though, is the only good calls we get are homages to the prior generation of sportscasters like Joe Buck. Once Scully is gone (heaven forbid), there won’t be very many good sportscasters, let alone TV sportscasters.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
sometimes i still can't believe we won the fucking world series
i mean, holy shit, how did we DO that?
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It was the turtlenecks.
A brilliant bit of foreshadowing, that.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They just...won't...go...away.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
by Hootie Who on Dec 30, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really liked that call.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I love how Freese's jersey is covered in dirt, probably from sliding into third on the triple in the ninth.
SO gritty!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
it kinda makes me sad to see pujols so happy
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but then gerald laird makes me laugh
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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
i love that last leap
he looks like he’s trying to some kind of ballet move
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He forgot that he wasn't Peter Pan
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 30, 2011 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure he expected to soar right out of Busch
wheeeeeeeeeee
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 30, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
this gif still makes me laugh every time I see it
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 30, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I had pneumonia for like three weeks a couple weeks ago, but I would totally go through it again if it meant I got to relive this game.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 30, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
i've come to the realization that i will probably never witness live another game as great as game 6 for the rest of my life
i can’t imagine anything else even coming close.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Yeah, the only way I can imagine it being better is if it was Game 7
But I feel safe saying that in my lifetime there will not be a game more exciting than this. I was literally on my knees in my living room screaming to God I was so excited.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 30, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
And I found this
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110929&content_id=25380714&vkey=roadtooctober2011
and this
and this!
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 30, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
strange but true post season feats
carp only had one win on june 22?!
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wow
The Cardinals have played 19,387 regular-season games in their history. Not once had they won a game in which they trailed five times.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Oh, yeah. The Stark article
I pretty much read that whole thing with my jaw dropped.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I just smile through that entire article...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
Carp went 10-2 from june 23 on
not that pitcher wins means anything
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
they don't but
a pitcher as good as chris carpenter has to be just flat out unlucky to only get one win through the first 11 weeks of the season
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He would have had 3 more wins in March/April
if it wasn’t for Franklin and Batista.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
that was pretty hard to watch at the beginning
knowing how many people point to w-l’s and think that they mean something.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Olney loves us in the 6 or 7 slot
Top 10 OFs: 1.) D-Backs 2.) Yankees 3.) Rangers 4.) Brewers 5.) Angels 6.) Cards 7.) Dodgers 8.) Sox 9.) Royals (Wait, WHAT?) 10.) Orioles
Says about us:
There’s no denying the Cardinals have tremendous offensive potential with its outfield in 2012; Matt Holliday and Carlos Beltran finished seventh and eighth, respectively, in OPS among all outfielders. But the Cardinals do have injury questions, starting with Allen Craig, who will open the 2012 season after having knee surgery. Beltran played 142 games last year, and Giants manager Bruce Bochy said that despite the concern over Beltran’s knees, they were never a problem as Bochy filled out his lineup card in the last two months of the season. Holliday, who turns 32 next month, played in 124 games last season because of a variety of injuries. Jon Jay, the center fielder, hit .297 last year.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 30, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions
I love how they always point at Holliday's missed games.
How many of those games were due to anything that he could do anything about? Appendix? Like anybody can tell when that’s going to happen. His finger? That was totally due to him falling apart…….mmmmmhmmmm. About the only one there was to me was the strained quad that didn’t want to go away. I realize that as he gets older, stuff like this will happen. Hell, it happens to me when it didn’t used to. it just doesn’t point me to anything that says he’s falling apart.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's lazy.
Fairly typical, though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 30, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
the year that wasn't
this is pretty funny.
Oct. 24: St. Louis manager Tony La Russa is perplexed when he calls Domino’s for a large pepperoni pizza only to instead have right-handed reliever Lance Lynn show up on his doorstep with an order of General Tso’s chicken and a copy of the Book of Mormon.
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shoulda been green pepper and olives.
Tony doesn’t order pepperoni.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 30, 2011 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my slow internets!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Does anyone else remember when Cardinal pitcher Danny Cox was injured on an offseason fishing outing ?
Jumping off a seawall.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 30, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I heard Carp made the anoconda into a pair of spikes and matching hat for the 2012 season.
by McLaughlin_Stole_My_Beer on Dec 30, 2011 6:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Carp went on a fishing trip with Doc to the Amazon
“Carpenter was moving from one boat to another one afternoon and cracked his toe on the side of the boat; it was all swollen and black and blue the next morning.”
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That kinda looks like Skip in the middle on his knees with the black North Face T-Shirt
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 30, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Carp Don't Give A F*ck About Anacondas!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I bet getting bitten on the ass hurt like a mofo.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
carp is so bad ass
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If it's exotic MLB players like
there’s a few places in Colombia I could take them.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 30, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
i love how Carp's just there lurking in the background grinning as he plots hoe he's going to dispose of their bodies
or maybe he’s just thinking about pizza. i hear the big man loves pizza
Balls
Skip Schumaker used to be an above average player, then he took an arrow to the knee.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 30, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Is that how Beltran got hurt?
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yessir.
Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub
by Cardinals645 on Dec 30, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Does anybody know much of anything about xavier scruggs?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions
Non-prospect I think
Decent hit tool, very good power, okay eye, but he’s molasses-footed and can barely play 1B
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athletic for a catcher
modest defensive reputation but not necessarily a bad one
limited offensive upside
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
underrated
there’s some power in that bat and solid catching instincts. not super-high upside but no weaknesses really.
Never understood the hype there
Law had him in top 10 one year. Baffling.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
i think that says more about the quality of our farm system
also, his plate discipline used to be only regular bad. this year it evaporated. i admit to being a bit fond of him in the past also.
sweet sassy molassey!
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 30, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
thanks.
I saw that he hit a fair amount of HRs at palm beach, but didn’t really know anything else about him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, that's about all you need to know about him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
So we should hang on to him for when we get the DH forced on us?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I guess
He’s essentially a worse version of Matt Adams
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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eww
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't read the new CBA, nor the new rules, and I don't know how EJax is listed
but I’m assuming he’s an A FA, yes? So, unless he gets signed by a protected team (I assume some losing teams’ picks, like the Orioles, are still protected?), would we get a first-rounder for him? I’m asking, because Baltimore is showing some intereset in him.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions
Cards will get the last first round supplemental pick for him,
if Twinkie Town is be believed.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 30, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
New red baron thread
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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thanks for putting this together bgh
I know we’ve had a couple of exchanges recently regarding Beltran being two years out from surgery. I thought he’d had microfracture surgery too before you put this together. It boggles my mind the misinformation that is spread about sports injuries. I don’t know if its poor communication TO reporters, who don’t have medical backgrounds or if it is poor communication BY reporters who assume their target audience doesn’t want or need to know details. I suspect the answer is somewhere in the middle.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I don't know what happens when a post get's rec'd 6 times other than perhaps moving up in the list on the right
But 6 it is. thanks for the investigative reporting or otherwise sifting through the the B.S. to find some factual reporting and highlighting the differences in procedures
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
Great post; funny you did this; I investigated this myself.
Dr. Steadman has an article on his website about Beltran. Nowhere does it mention microfracture.
When I read Goold’s Christmas Day article, I saw this:
A year removed from microfracture surgery, Beltran embraced a rehab that included workouts in the pool, including low-impact running. He does the same regimen this offseason, five days a week. He’s also back doing his regular work in the weight room and, of course, hitting the cage.
I tweeted Derrick to let him know he might want to look into the surgery bit more. He must have. If you look at the article now, it reads:
A year removed from extensive knee surgery, Beltran embraced a rehab that included workouts in the pool, including low-impact running. He does the same regimen this offseason, five days a week. He’s also back doing his regular work in the weight room and, of course, hitting the cage.
I also tweeted Will Carroll and he told me the surgery was explained to him a arthroscopic “planing” or “smoothing” procedure, not a microfracture.
Thanks for writing this up, BGH. It gives everyone else a clearer idea of what to expect. Not having a microfracture surgery means he did not have severe cartilage deterioration (read: bone exposed).
Everyone should know, however, that an arthroscopic cleanup procedure does not “fix” knee joint problems. If Beltran had any wear of the cartilage on the femoral head, and when I read between the lines, I believe he did, cartilage deterioration will continue. Lets just hope that his extensive workout program keeps what cartilage remains healthy so he doesn’t require surgery in the next 2 years.
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