tip o the hat, wag o the finger.
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 3:16 AM EST
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browsing through my posts from the last year, i have to say, i don't find too much that makes me shudder in retrospect. although, i suspect there's a lot more luck than wisdom in that.
ok, this one turned out both crass and inaccurate:
DAN UGGLA TRADED TO ATLANTA FOR A PILE OF POOP STOP
uggla's trade for omar infante and mike dunn turned out to be prescient. after turning down a generous offer from the marlins on an extension, uggla got the trade he was looking for. turns out that infante was worth 2.7 wins for the marlins and uggla outdid his marlins offer, netting a 5y/$62m contract from atlanta, putting up . . . 2.5 wins.
oh well, if cheap scatological humor is wrong, i don't want to be right.
speaking of cheap shots, derek jeter was not smoking crack, but the yankees were. jeter got $51m over 3y and put up his worst season in forever, at 2.3 wins.
ok, i'm proud of this one, even if it was not that difficult to criticize: the comparison of bronson arroyo and jeff suppan turned out to be dead on, or rather, arroyo ended up being much worse than suppan did as he aged. the reds issued him a 3y/$35m contract last year, and he rewarded them with an epically bad season, posting a 5.71 FIP (although a fairly typical-for-him 4.54 xFIP, which is better but not actually good), ending up 1.3 wins BELOW replacement.
my projections for the cardinals 2011 bench were not terrible, but i am terribly fond of the following sentence in retrospect:
craig is in line for a real breakout year. my gut says that we will look back on his 2011 performance as a triumph.
of course, i remember miguel batista joining the cardinals, but did anyone remember ian snell? yeah, he was on the team once. both looked kind of like crap in january 2010. both looked like crap later in the season, but only one of them threw way too many innings for the big club.
the vernon wells trade looked like an unadulterated disaster when it happened, although nobody quite knew that mike napoli was due to explode. i bet the blue jays wish they'd held onto him. nick punto was a "very solid acquisition" at the time of his signing.
i was way off on the benchmarks for the pujols negotiations, if the reports are to be believed. calling a healthy jim edmonds an upgrade on jon jay was probably not my best offseason comment, even if we never saw a healthy edmonds.
my "no exit" spoof has not aged well, but reading it does remind me that jeff gordon ACTUALLY WROTE an article suggesting that the royals could be players for albert. somehow, that man has a job writing about sports.
in spring training, i was more bullish on bryan augenstein than circumstances warranted, but otherwise, i stand by my thoughts. i pimped for tony cruz early on, felt briefly vindicated when he was promoted, then less so when he stagnated later in the season. the cruz-anderson discussion will be interesting going into spring training.
do you remember when we demoted mitch boggs and kept ryan franklin and miguel batista on the team? good times. in retrospect, i spent an awful lot of time talking about how terrible both of them and ryan theriot were. i don't regret that.
i proudly declared the cardinals' GIDP streak unsustainable in june. hahahahahaha.
how long can a bad-glove second baseman hit so badly without getting released or pushed to a reserve role? unfortunately, i think we may find out.
sadly, june-me, the answer is THE WHOLE SEASON. it's true -- even in september, skip schumaker had almost twice as many PAs as any of the other three players who saw time at second base.
somehow, the pirates were in or near first place for a really long time.
as the season wore down, i did post several despairing threads (although not altogether hopeless - well, maybe a little) indicating my lack of faith in the team's ability to come through. for that i have repented.
and you all know how the season ended up. altogether, it was a great year for the cardinals. and i said less dumb shit than i thought i might have. so, hooray!
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OT but....
I was a frequent poster for a while…my posting went way down after becoming a pro poker player….anyway, there’s a series of tournaments going on in stl at the moment, the first of which is final tabled…but i’m not here to brag rather to share with you that one of my fellow final table participants was none other than joe strauss himself…i ended up busting him my AQ vs his KK….also some other guy had AA…but its all good cause the board ran QxxxQ….i dont really mean to brag but i thought ya’ll may like here my little anecdote about my encounter with the straussicorn on the felt…
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 4:22 AM EST reply actions 19 recs
if you keep taking his money
he might do a matheny, lose his house, move in with his in-laws, resulting in… writing about baseball from his mother’s (in-law) basement.
poetic
HAPPY FLIGHT!!!
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
strauss is #freemoney
for his bookie
2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 3, 2011 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
some old man donated me a lot of chips
and strauss commented “that’s free money.”
i almost burst out laughing.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
excellent
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
came to the right place
pro poker player? VEB is not impressed.
busted Joe Strauss? VEB immortality.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 3, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
this
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Which Tourney?
I play Monday’s at Lumiere Casino. You live in STL I assume.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 3, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
there's a new series at harrah's called the gateway poker classic
similar to the circuit events held in april although if the first event is any indication it’ll be much smaller.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I heard about it
But couldn’t find any info on Harrah’s site
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 3, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.harrahsstlouis.com/images/non_image_assets/GPC2.pdf
come up and play (assuming you’re in stl)!!!! we need all the entrants we can get for this thing.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I can't view PDF's at work
What does it say?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 3, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't know they had porn in pdf form
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sexting transcripts.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
its just the schedule of events
here’s a thread on the subject (although its a poker site so i guess your work may block that too)
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
none of the tourneys are re-entry
but there’s 3 every day ranging from nightly $125 buyins to an $1100 Main Event on saturday…
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I won 4 tourneys in the last 2 months
I have been playing really good lately but not don’t think I could risk so much of my roll on the $1100 main event.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 3, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
What are their structures like?
Might be able to make Thurs night or Friday.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 3, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
the nightlys are pretty quick….3k starting with 25/50 blinds to start with 30 min levels. so obv very fast…
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what this means.
Was Strauss defeated?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 3, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
it means he took all of Strauss' chips and sent his ass packing
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh you're so cute
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
slu slew the dragon of Mound City!
Huzzah!
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're entitled to brag, actually
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
You deserve a happy flight riding a flying unicorn of grandeur
But all I have is a nice “that’s so awesome!”
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 3, 2011 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i was never promised any unicorns but now i want one to serve as my own personal chaffeur
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
such a beautiful turn of phrase
“You deserve a happy flight riding a flying unicorn of grandeur”
My sister is getting married to an army officer in Feb- I might have to work that into a toast, somehow.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
We're just really happy that slu came back to say hi.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
i was such a small deal anyway
mostly just a 20 year old me drunk and being emo late night….
and yeah i think you’re thinking of me on twitter. its @pnigh89…i still follow you! love the random bacon twit pics
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Dec 3, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I remember you
you’re edgy.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I recognize the avatar at least.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
you're always tweeting about poker & i never have any idea what you're talking about
haha
i haven’t tweeted bacon pics in a long time. i’m really slacking
Balls
I'm just glad we somecow survived....
Snell, Batista, AND Corey Effin’ Patterson…
:=8.
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
In 2006 Larry Bigby was the key to our season, this year we had more keys
Also don’t forget Franklin, Theriot, and Schumacker. How in the flying fuck did we just win a WS?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 3, 2011 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i want to know more about how you repented
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
somewhere between self-fellation and self-flagelation
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Please kids, don't google either of these terms.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Well, now they will for sure.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
so it's *not* a homemade Italian dessert?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
mostly it involved standing on street corners during rush
Hour wearing a cards cap, and yelling WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! At passing traffic.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
enough with the Theriot bashing
the man is a world champion. the man defines “gritty” and “scrappy.” you can’t measure his worth by crunching numbers. it is what it is.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
wait, is that what he was trying to do?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm not quite sure
Every time I close my eyes images of him rolling the ball to second come creeping in. I’m convinced he was just compiling film for his eventual move into the PBA.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
The Rolling Cajun?
Or, in his case, The Rolling Coonass.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
That will be my epic mid-season SS moment I remember from this WS run
It’s not actually positive like seat cushion day in ‘06 but I can look back and laugh now, and I’ll laugh A LOT!
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 3, 2011 4:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if by "terrible," you mean
a shortstop that is weak defensively, can’t work a count to save his life, swings at bad pitches and doesn’t even have the courtesy to have decent speed, then fine, he’s “terrible.” but once you throw in all of theriot’s intangibles, i think you’ll find he’s quite not very good.
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
by Cha-Cha on Dec 3, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
o..O
Oh……you were being facetious…….sorry that I missed it before.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Well, that is what it is.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 3, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
What I predicted (offensively from the Cardinals) and how it turned out...
Yadier Molina
FCB – 500 PA, .276/.334/.367/.701 – 21 doubles, 0 triples, 7 homers, 40 runs, 65 RBI, 8 SB, 3 CS
MLB – 518 PA, .305/.349/.465/.814 – 32 doubles, 1 triple, 14 homers, 55 runs, 65 RBI, 4 SB, 5 CS
For Yadi, I was way off. He demolished my power predictions especially – although I pegged the RBI exactly. Good for him!
Gerald Laird/Backup C (Tony Cruz)
FCB – 200 PA, .230/.280/.332/.612 – 10 doubles, 0 triples, 3 homers, 15 runs, 15 RBI, 1 SB, 0 CS
MLB – 190 PA, .244/.315/.350/.665 – 12 doubles, 1 triple, 2 homers, 19 runs, 18 RBI, 1 SB, 2 CS
The backup catchers also did a better job than I would have thought. They got on base at a sligthly higher clip, which would account for most of the slugging and OPS production as well.
Albert Pujols
FCB – 700 PA, .341/.453/.659/1.112 – 45 doubles, 1 triple, 46 homers, 124 runs, 133 RBI, 18 SB, 5 CS
MLB – 651 PA, .299/.366/.541/.906 – 29 doubles, 0 triples, 37 homers, 105 runs, 99 RBI, 9 SB, 1 CS
I was so far off on this one, WOW. “The Machine’s” cogs were clogged this year, thus driving down the price the Cardinals will pay him this offseason to remain a Cardinal for his career – that is my positive outlook spin on the whole situation. The astonishing things to me were the lack of OBP (due to not having good pitch selection) and the lack of gap power (read: doubles.)
Skip Schumaker
FCB – 550 PA, .278/.338/.359/.697 – 22 doubles, 2 triples, 5 homers, 75 runs, 40 RBI, 6 SB, 3 CS
MLB – 400 PA, .283/.333/.351/.685 – 19 doubles, 0 triples, 2 homers, 34 runs, 38 RBI, 0 SB, 2 CS
I NAILED this one. Yes! Off by 5 (low) in BA, off by 5 (high) in OBP, off by 8 (high) in SLG? Off by 8 XBH with a 150 PA difference? If you project out the MLB stats to 550 PAs (as I had listed) you get 28.875 XBH…which is 29…which is what I listed. Great call, Ben! :)
Ryan Theriot
FCB – 600 PA, .281/.342/.350/.691 – 23 doubles, 3 triples, 3 homers, 80 runs, 45 RBI, 23 SB, 8 CS
MLB – 483 PA, .271/.321/.342/.662 – 26 doubles, 1 triple, 1 homer, 46 runs, 47 RBI, 4 SB, 6 CS
I don’t know why I expected the Cards to run this much…dillusional, probably…Albert with 18 and The Riot with 23? I have two more on the way with double digits, too. Gah. I did not expect much out of Ryan Theriot at all. He crashed and burned far below my already low expectations. My average bested his actual by .010; my OBP by .021, and my SLG was pretty accurate. I don’t want to rail on him any more than this, so I will just say that I am glad that he finished with about 24% less PAs than I predicted.
David Freese
FCB – 500 PA, .298/.354/.461/.815 – 25 doubles, 1 triple, 16 homers, 65 runs, 80 RBI, 2 SB, 2 CS
MLB – 363 PA, .297/.350/.441/.791 – 16 doubles, 1 triple, 10 homers, 41 runs, 55 RBI, 1 SB, 0 CS
I think I nailed Freeser, as well. His counting stats will be lacking due to the missed 137 PAs, but his rate stats were pretty close. I was a little off on the SLG, but not by a ton…I’m very impressed with this one…I hope we get to see those 500 PAs out of Freese at some point. Glass ankles needs to stop getting hurt.
Tyler Greene
FCB – 300 PA, .243/.303/.359/.662 – 10 doubles, 2 triples, 6 homers, 30 runs, 20 RBI, 5 SB, 1 CS
MLB – 121 PA, .212/.322/.288/.611 – 5 doubles, 0 triples, 1 homer, 22 runs, 11 RBI, 11 SB, 0 CS
I was way off on playing time and quite a bit off on production, as well. His stint as a pinch runner late in the year helped get the runs closer to my prediction and moved the SB much higher than my prediction. I was way off.
Nick Punto
FCB – 200 PA, .228/.305/.294/.599 – 7 doubles, 1 triple, 1 homer, 18 runs, 13 RBI, 6 SB, 2 CS
MLB – 166 PA, .278/.388/.421/.809 – 8 doubles, 4 triples, 1 homer, 21 runs, 20 RBI, 1 SB, 1 CS
I was way off on this one, too – but in a good way. Punto was more preductive than I thought he would be in only 83% of the PA I thought he would receive. His audition makes me want to see what he could do if he sticks around – a little bit at least.
Matt Holliday
FCB – 650 PA, .320/.394/.554/.948 – 42 doubles, 3 triples, 20 homers, 102 runs, 110 RBI, 13 SB, 4 CS
MLB – 516 PA, .296/.388/.525/.912 – 36 doubles, 0 triples, 22 homers, 83 runs, 75 RBI, 2 SB, 1 CS
Holliday was hurt far too often and probably hurt is productivity as well. I was quite high on his average, but he still had a similar OBP. Because the average was lower, the SLG suffered. He had nearly as many doubles and homers as I thought he would have. His counting stats were right on track with the rate at which he was getting them. However, his speed numbers (3B/SB) were both very much lacking.
Lance Berkman
FCB – 500 PA, .270/.390/.490/.880 – 26 doubles, 0 triples, 22 homers, 71 runs, 72 RBI, 2 SB, 1 CS
MLB – 587 PA, .301/.412/.547/.959 – 23 doubles, 2 triples, 31 homers, 90 runs, 94 RBI, 2 SB, 6 CS
Thank Goodness Lance Berkman got 87 more PAs than I predicted this year, because he was SOOOO much better than advertised. I really hope he can do it again next year – or at least get to my predicted numbers next year! Go Fat Elvis!
Colby Rasmus
FCB – 600 PA, .282/.372/.524/.895 – 35 doubles, 4 triples, 28 homers, 80 runs, 90 RBI, 14 SB, 6 CS
MLB – 386 PA, .246/.332/.420/.753 – 14 doubles, 6 triples, 11 homers, 61 runs, 40 RBI, 5 SB, 2 CS
I couldn’t have been more off about Colby’s production. He fell off of a cliff from last year. Then, he got lippy. Then, he got traded. ICK.
Jon Jay
FCB – 450 PA, .290/.347/.386/.733 – 19 doubles, 3 triples, 5 homers, 50 runs, 30 RBI, 3 SB, 3 CS
MLB – 503 PA, .297/.344/.424/.768 – 24 doubles, 2 triples, 10 homers, 56 runs, 37 RBI, 6 SB, 7 CS
Another one where I was right on. His SLG was a bit higher, but that was because of the extra PAs and twice as many home runs. Other than that, NAILED it.
Allen Craig
FCB – 450 PA, .280/.336/.460/.796 – 24 doubles, 0 triples, 17 homers, 56 runs, 73 RBI, 0 SB, 0 CS
MLB – 219 PA, .315/.362/.555/.917 – 15 doubles, 0 triples, 11 homers, 33 runs, 40 RBI, 5 SB, 0 CS
I thought I was tempering my bullish expectations a little bit. I was wrong. He bested me in every category except that he played less than 1/2 the PAs that I thought he would. Most of that was because he missed over 1/3 of the season with injuries. Poor guy was hurt when the Cards needed him the most, too. He probably would have had at least 400 PAs if he were healthy when the Cards really needed him. If he had put up those numbers in that time, he may have been rookie of the year (if eligible.)
Offense
For the offense as a whole, I predicted a .286/.361/.451/.813 line with 309 doubles, 19 triples, 189 homers, and 806 runs scored. The Cards ended at .273/.341/.425/.766 with 308 doubles, 22 triples, 162 homers, and 762 runs scored. I did not include any other bench players, nor did I include pitchers hitting – so my line looks much closer when factoring that in. But, while the Cards jumped a bunch from 2010 production, they did not get the production that I thought they would. Part of that is that I predicted a 10.5% walk rate – which is way too high. I didn’t think about that. Their 8.7% was 0.6% above league average. I also predicted a 16.9% K rate. The Cards beat that by being at 15.7% (well below the league average of 19.1% this season.)
by stlfan on Dec 3, 2011 8:45 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
Thanks.
I figured it fit very well here.
I wrote this up a while ago for a Facebook post on my baseball bloggish type thing there and I forgot how long it was, too.
With the good response, here's the pitchers, too
Pitchers are a lot harder since I only looked at the 12 pitchers I figured to be on the opening day roster and never figure in injuries. I’ll get this out of the way, too – I put Ian Snell on the list, yes he was a spring training signing that I thought would make it, Batista did instead. Thus, this could be quite short.
The slash line numbers will mean: WHIP / (H/9) / (HR/9) / (BB/9) / (K/9) / K:BB / ERA
Chris Carpenter
FCB – 233 IP (6.66/start), 1.185/8.4/0.7/2.3/7.0/3.08/3.05
MLB – 237.1 IP (6.98/start), 1.256/9.2/0.6/2.1/7.2/3.47/3.45
Carp had a hell of a season and was better in the playoffs. Wow. His numbers were, for the most part, better than I predicted. His ERA was a little up because of our shaky defense for 1/2 the season, and his raised H/9 totals from what I had expected. His IP (per start, and total) were up, his Ks were up, and his walks even lower than predicted.
Jake Westbrook
FCB – 215 IP (6.32/start), 1.279/8.6/0.7/2.9/6.2/2.13/3.73
MLB – 183.1 IP (5.56/start), 1.533/10.2/3.6/5.1/1.424.66
I will play the blame game here: Waino had just gone down, so I was hoping against hope that Westy would pick up the slack. I picked the wrong overpriced veteran. Lohse picked it up instead. Now, without the blame game – I couldn’t have been more wrong. U-G-L-Y is how you spell 2011 for Jake Westbrook. The best thing I can say is that he was reliable in terms of starting every game he was asked to start, making the second most for the club in the regular season. As far as I heard, he did not pitch a fit about being left out of most of the post-season either. Good for him. That being said, I hope we see him in a different uniform this year, getting a little value back (for he and Schumaker together?), and re-sign Jackson instead.
Kyle Lohse
FCB – 176 IP (5.5/start), 1.392/10.0/0.9/2.6/5.5/2.16/4.50
MLB – 188.1 IP (6.28/start), 1.168/8.5/0.8/2.0/5.3/2.64/3.39
Speaking of Lohse, can I seriously just flip flop my predictions for those two? OMG. I woulda been pretty damn close on both, instead I was way off. I’ll call it a push. :)
Jaime Garcia
FCB – 198 IP (6/start), 1.348/8.5/0.7/3.7/7.3/1.98/3.23
MLB – 194.2 IP (6.08/start), 1.320/9.6/0.7/2.3/7.2/3.12/3.56
I’ll call this one pretty much nailing it. I would have been way off (in a good way) if we just looked at pre-contract Jaime Garcia. However, his letting off the pedal (whether intentional or not) after signing his deal pretty much evened me up on this one.
Kyle McClellan
FCB – 140 IP (5/start), 1.271/8.5/0.8/3.0/7.1/2.39/3.60
MLB – 141.2 IP, 1.313/9.1/1.3/2.7/4.8/1.77/4.19
I was not very far off most of those. As a starter, McClellan went about 6.16 IP/start. I was quite a bit low, there. However, without the strikeouts that I predicted, his pitch count stayed low enough to do that. I had 28 starts predicted, McClellan only went 17 before they traded for Jackson – and McClellan got dead arm.
Trever Miller
FCB – 40 IP, 1.025/6.8/0.7/2.5/7.4/3.00/2.48
MLB – 15.2 IP, 1.851/10.9/0.6/5.7/5.2/0.90/4.02
Yuck, continued next…
Brian Tallet
FCB – 75.0 IP, 1.387/8.5/1.0/4.0/7.0/1.76/3.24
MLB – 13.0 IP, 1.923/13.8/2.8/3.5/6.2/1.80/8.31
Yuck, continued next…
Ryan Franklin – closer
FCB – 71 IP, 1.113/8.0/0.8/2.0/6.0/2.94/3.04
MLB – 27.2 IP, 1.843/14.3/2.9/2.3/5.5/2.43/8.46
I did not realize that the wheels would fall off of Franklin and that the engine would flat out combust after that.
Jason Motte – (real closer – come playoff time)
FCB – 65 IP, 1.062/6.8/1.0/2.8/9.8/3.55/2.49
MLB – 68 IP, 0.956/6.5/0.3/2.1/8.3/3.94/2.25
I was damn close here. He walked fewer than I thought (and gave up slightly fewer hits), which led to a better WHIP. It also led to a better K:BB, even though he struck out less than I thought. The best part might have been the HR rate cut WAY lower than I had predicted. He simply dominated and kept the ball down.
Fernando Salas (most often closer)
FCB – 55 IP, 1.218/8.0/1.1/2.9/9.5/3.22/3.44
MLB – 75 IP, 0.947/6.0/0.8/2.5/9.0/3.57/2.28
Salas was even more dominant that my somewhat bullish predictions for the (basically) rookie. Those numbers are fairly ridiculous, no matter which line you look at. I love it. I hope he is a reliever here for quite a while. I don’t think he’ll be the dominant closer that he was for much of this year, but a 6th/7th inning guy is a good spot for him. I especially like him as a fireman in 2-3 run games.
Mitchell Boggs
FCB – 85 IP, 1.200/7.5/0.8/3.3/7.0/2.13/3.49
MLB – 60.2 IP, 1.368/9.2/0.6/3.1/7.1/2.29/3.56
I had Mitchell being the prime 6th/7th inning guy. He was really jerked around on a chain this year – partially due to huge seasons from several other relievers. Other than that, my numbers were close. I did not anticipate that many hits given up.
PITCHING
As a whole, I had the 2011 Cardinals having this pitching line:
1,444 IP, 1.272 WHIP, 8.5 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.9 BB/9, 7.0 K/9, 2.36 K:BB, 3.52 ERA
As a whole, the 2011 Cardinals actually had this line:
1,462 IP, 1.306 WHIP, 9.0 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.8 BB/9, 6.8 K/9, 2.45 K:BB, 3.79 ERA
I think that if the Cardinals’ defense was what it normally was, the H/9 drops enough to keep the WHIP and ERA right even with what I predicted – then I would have been RIGHT ON, as a whole. The thing that surprises me the most is that I was HIGH on K/9, even with the players I used compared to the players currently on the squad. Interesting.
by stlfan on Dec 3, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Cool stuff
It’s crazy how bullish you were on the team total offense projection, since the team still had the best offense in the NL.
If the Cards did hit like that as a whole they'd be on par with the Red Sox and Rangers in 2011 for team hitting stats
The thing is, those are AL teams playing in hitters’ parks, while we had neither of those advantages.
That was one interesting thing about the WS.
They really did beat the shit out of the ball against us, or at least it seemed like it, but their run scoring was really depressed in Busch….outside of Game 6. Was that because of our bullpen or because they weren’t in that fucking run-factory in Arlington?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Kinsler running against Yadier Molina.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 3, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it's been an up and down year for me
i did a fairly good job in evaluating the longevity of jusin bieber’s success when i tweeted “JUSTIM BEIBER IS AWESOME” back in april, but when i said “THERE ARE SPIDERS LIVING UNDER MY SKIN GET THEM OFF” it turns out i couldn’t have been more wrong.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Dec 3, 2011 9:28 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
are you calling him a liar?
11!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
because every one of TEF comments are green
I have no idea it’s for seriously or not.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
a significant portino of TEF's commetns are green
And none of them make sense to me.
I think it’s a conspiracy.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Of all the non sequiturs in the world,
TEFs are the non sequituriest.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
TEF has a horse called Non-Sequitariat.
by mattybobo on Dec 3, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Pujols' horse is called Man of WAR.
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
by vico on Dec 3, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
TEFDGAFAPH.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
by SleepyCA on Dec 3, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dude's just got the magic touch
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
nah, too many people all up on his junk over a few funny posts
and now they feel like they have to rec all of his posts.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
What I got wrong and right
Wrong: I defended the Vernon Wells trade. I thought Ryan Theriot would be adequate. I thought Colby would bust out, not bust and be tossed out.
Right: I was super high on Berk when we signed him. I thought Carp would rebound after his rough start (I guess that’s not much of a prediction, as his peripherals were never bad). And I didn’t give up on the team! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I was most wrong about Berk.
I thought they’d be fortunate to have him healthy for 2/3 of the season and put up a .820-.850ish OPS. Happy to be wrong about that.
Oh, and I totally, completely, and without reservation gave up on the team. So there’s that.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
For the rest of this offseason, I'm going to pretend that my optimism was prescient, born from knowledge and intuition,
rather than me being a babbling, eternally cheery idiot.
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
by a fink on Dec 3, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think anybody thought Berkman was going to have a career year
and I sure as hell did give up on the team for about 10 days at the end of August.
At some point I distinctly remember saying, well, if they can take 3 out of 4 in Philly, there’s a chance…..
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
you defended the Vernon Wells trade?
What the hell??
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
sort of, on my first or second day on here.
I basically said that is’ too much money, but Napoli isn’t a loss since he can’t catch and Conger is a pretty good prospect, and that Wells>Rivera, so if Moreno is willing to vastly overpay for a couple years, that’s ok, especially since they have so little money tied up from 2013 on. In retrospect, what the hell?
RE-SIGN ALBERT PUJOLS!
I definitely thought Theriot was going to hit better than he did
and as it turned out, he was putting up a decent enough OBP in the early going.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Maybe nexdef'd, but Lunhow is interviewing with the Astros
Meanwhile, Jeff Luhnow, the Cardinals’ executive who has overseen the reworked and replenished minor-league system, interviewed with the Houston Astros for their vacant general manager position on Thursday.
Luhnow came to the Cardinals in 2003 to help the team organize and implement analytics. He eventually ascended into a role that oversaw amateur scouting and the draft and player development.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
That really bothers me.
but maybe he’s imparted enough knowledge to keep us from going backwards if he leaves.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Why does it bother you?
It is only a matter of time before Luhnow leaves. He is blocked from promotion within the Cardinals organization by Mozeliak.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 3, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
mostly because the farm system was such a mess
just hate the idea of going backwards.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I would be crushed by this
Just steal the Rays guy
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 3, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmmmmmm
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Tantalized by the prospect of an opening in the Cards' front office,
or merely incredulous?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
If it happens, I'd actually have a far greater shot with Houston, I would think
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
lolololololol
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 3, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's a bummer
can’t hold the guy back, though. He probably deserves a GM gig.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
How does Lunhow look in a scarf?
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
but does he tote water bottles on top of his suitcase?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I was wrong about Westy being a decent signing.
And I was wrong to despair in early August.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions
althoughy westy did win Game 6 of the WS
a must-win, i will remind you
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
You guys just won't let me forget that.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Jake Westbrook has more wins in the World Series than Nolan Ryan.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
...
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 3, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
I love this photo
“Mr. Ryan, did Molina seriously just thrown out Kinsler???”
“YA SRSLY”
by mattybobo on Dec 3, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
it kind of pissed me off that they kept harping on Nolan Ryan being such a cool owner as to sit in the stands
with the people.
meanwhile, DeWitt and his family is down there next to the dugout.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OTOH, the DeWitts were probably happy
to not have their every expression scrutinized on national television.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
no embarrassing hotdog shots, no.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
+1
if I were an owner I’d probably never leave the suite during games for that exact reason.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
I wouldn't let you.
And in that reality, I’m commish. Dealwithit.gif
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 3, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I could totally deal with that
with like some scrabbled eggs and OJ. And an ash tray.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
What?
memesplanation plz.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Gah! Duh.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, they're actually pretty funny looking now that you mention it.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think the point was the reverse
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
I'm fancy.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Is there any other way to take ash trays?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
As long as it comes with a monocle, so I can see what I'm doing.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Yea, not having it makes it hard to see how stinking rich I am.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
I'm sure it was just because he's Nolan Ryan
if say, Bob Gibson or Ozzie Smith owned the Cardinals, they probably would have gotten just as much face time. DeWallet isnt exactly a household name around the country
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
nooo, they specifically said it was unusual for an owner
like he was hip or something
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who is they?
The Russians?!?!?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
they were surely unamerican
so possibly
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He looks like the bird in the "actual angry bird" photo
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 3, 2011 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there were a lot to choose from of this
This is from http://elliotslenkcartoons.blogspot.com/
There were also a few fan signs from both sides
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 3, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Give that man one more out in Game 6 or Preparation H
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
how i fared this year
what I got right:
the cards would be 9.5 games back entering September, rally to capture the wild card slot on the final day of the regular season, upset the Phils in the LDS behind a 1-0 gem by Carp, take out the favored Brew Crew in the LCS, fall behind by 2 runs in the 9th in the 6th game of the WS, win that game on clutch fabulousness by one David Freese, then win the WS in Game 7 behind another Carp gem.
what i got wrong:
demi and ashton would be forever
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
by Cha-Cha on Dec 3, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
I don't know that I got anything right
I tend to go with the herd during this projection exercises. I expected Berkman to have a very good bounce-back year and be a 3-4 WAR guy, not have an offensive season on par with his peak. I expected (but maybe just hoped) Colby would be a really good hitter again, though I don’t know how I expected him to overcome the BABIP question. I had hopes for adequacy from Theriot, but I like to think I tempered those hopes fairly well. I was an Augenstein booster, and not just for the awesome nickname/meme potential.
One thing I was absolutely correct about was in the Augenstein thread tom s. links to above: that picture Fritz posted does indeed resemble a younger version of Christopher Hitchens.
Predictions
I thought the Berkman signing was inspired and it was.
I thought Pujols had started to decline in 2010 and would continue in 2011. Didn’t want to be right on that one, but looks like I was
I thought TLR would overmanage in the playoffs and I actually thought it was one one of the best managing jobs ever in the playoffs.
I thought the Brendan Ryan trade was much do about nothing, but we could have used him. I liked the Westy deal. I thought Lohse would have a big year. Wrong on both counts, but Lohse had his moments.
Carpenter vs Freese, I was in Carpenter’s camp. Even now, I’d sell high on Freese and go with Carpenter (sorry cg)
Loved the Rasmus deal — never thought Colby would continue to improve, feels like a JD Drew to me.
Just win
Dear Rick Ankiel,
start pitching again. I miss your curveball. We need a lefty reliever. The team is talking about J.C. Romero. Please don’t let this happen. Let’s face it, at this point, you’ll never hit enough to be given “starter money” as a CF’er. We’ll give you a million bucks this season to work out of the pen. We promise to even let you get an occasional appearance in the OF and some pinch hitting opportunites. Wouldn’t it be fun? Within a year or 2 maybe someone (not the Cardinals) will give you a Matt Thornton-esque contract.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 3, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions
In all seriousness,
if he did try to pitch again, I bet he’d be out with an injury before May 15.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 3, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Need to take out accident insurance on Fredbird and anyone sitting in the firt eight rows . . .
. . .between first and third base
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I've been watching Ankiel videos for the last 30 minutes and this is all your fault
Still not a werewolf.
I was wrong about everything
I thought Theriot and Shu’ would be decent. I thought Berk was done. I thought Albert would be Albert. I thought Rasmus would be good. Most of all I thought the Cardinals playoff run was a tease.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
by Zubin on Dec 3, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Zubin, I need you to make the following predictions for 2012:
1. The Cardinals will not repeat as WS champs.
2. Adam Wainwright won’t win Comeback Player of the Year
3. Albert Pujols will not be playing for the Cardinals
4. The Cardinals middle infield will suck just as bad as it always does.
5. David Freese will not play 140 games.
6. Allen Craig will not repeat his 2011 performance.
7. Jason Motte will fail as the closer
8. Shelby Miller will not make his major league debut
9. Lance Berkman cannot repeat his 2011 performance
10. Matt Holliday will continue to have weird injuries.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 3, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
if he's rolling along in AAA
and theres an injury in the rotation (likely at some point), then why not? I don’t think it takes some crazy scenario to see him debut well before Sept. 1.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 3, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
What goes "wrong" is that the rest of AAA goes on strike because he is too awesome
But then the Cardinals gracefully defuse the situation by promoting him to the big leagues after successfully trading Jake Westbrook for Yunel Escobar or something.
that would be an acceptable situation
I don’t want one of the starters to go down for a month in june, and they bring miller up for just a couple of starts. I mean, the org keeps indicating they aren’t going to needlessly rush Miller.. but since he almost certainly isn’t breaking camp with the cards, I’d rather they let him work on his stuff in the minors as long as they can this year, if at all possible. I want him to be in a position to stay (and succeed) at the big leagues when he gets there.
> tebow
Then again we might want to bring him up as quickly as possible before he gets injured
A pitcher’s prime is much younger than a hitters, usually.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I see no real possibility that Miller comes up before the expected super-two cut off.
Starts can be given to Dickson or Cleto (or, GOBs forbid, McClellan, if he’s unfortunately still on the roster).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 3, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
hey, while you're at it, can you predict that
Kate Winslet will not shower me with money, affection and sexual favors?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
uh, it was a tease.
they slipped up and won it
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
How Schumaker survived the season....
.325 BA in June, July, and August.
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 3, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions
You prompted me to look up
Vernon Wells’ 2011 stats. Stunning. I would never have guessed a player could hit 25 HRs and still HURT his team’s offense. And what if it’s that contract that keeps Anaheim out of the Pujols sweepstakes? Wells could go down in history as the greatest liability ever.
he already was that
the funny part is how we were amazed he got unloaded in the first place
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've still yet to hear ANY explanation of why Reagins did that.
Like not even a “BA is better than OBA” level of an argument. Nothing. Like AA made a deal with the devil or something. It’s beyond the normal realm of stupid; it’s just bizarre.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
Can't stop thinking about how mind-bogglingly favorable that trade was for the Jays.
BS that AA didn’t win Exec of the Year. Jays should retire a number for him just for that trade.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
you nailed the Lohse comeback though
#12in12
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 3, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, suck it, haters!
only me an chitown (and d-dee sarcastically) were brave enough to ride that boat
I was definitely all in on Lohse
He didn’t do as well as I thought … thanks to a shit MIF for most of the season. I was also high on Westbrook and think he would have been fine if there were a couple guys standing behind him that could field grounders.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
there's a lot of nailing going on in this post.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OH YEA!
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
VEB: All we have are hammers
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle Lohse: A retrospective
From 2008-2011, Lohse has put up 7.1fWAR, for a cost of $33.1MM – a rate of $4.66MM/WAR. According to fangraphs, he’s been “worth” $31.2MM over that same time (for an average of $4.4MM/WAR).
Lohse will be paid $12.2MM next year, making his total compensation $45.3MM over five years. If Lohse puts up a 2.6-2.9 WAR year in 2012 (certainly not impossible), he’ll have been “worth” essentially what the Cards paid him over his Cardinals career, according to a crude WAR/$ calculation.
(Obviously, this doesn’t say that the second contract he signed was a good one)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 3, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
So translate that into
2012 stats for me … i.e., what kind of traditional numbers would = 3.0 WAR or better?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 3, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
3.0 WAR per year is a #3 starter.
200 innings with an ERA around 4.0.
Or it’s a #2 starter that throws less innings, something like 3.5 ERA 150 innings pitched.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
What kind of traditional numbers?
fWAR is based on FIP and innings (and replacement value, park, and run environment).
For Lohse next year (off the top of my head), he’d need about a 3.60-3.70 FIP over 200 innings to get 3WAR.
It’s pretty hard to accurately turn this into wins and ERA (if that’s what you mean by traditional stats) but here’s a guess:
32 starts, 197 innings, 15-7 record, ERA 3.85.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 3, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
if only Ron fucking Mahay hadn't hit him in the forearm....
that’s actually pretty amazing. Lohse putting up 2.5-3 WAR next year doesn’t seem like much of a stretch.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
so, a mirror of albert's situation
he was a bargain, so if we overpay on the next one makes it all average out ok.
not a successful business strategy
TLR is gone, long live the king
FFS i need to stop eating
this low and slow cooking just makes me more hungry.
i may end up with less overall food than when i started cooking.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
We have a lot of cheap options at RH in the bullpen
What are the chances we trade one of them for a LOOGY. I could see a lot of teams want someone like Boggs.
we could fix that with a trade . . . .
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Adams for McCutcheon!
Get it done, Mo!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
McCutcheon would look so good in our lineup. I would give up Adams and Jay; and Boggs or McClellan; and Martinez or Jenkins
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 3, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that's probably about the right sort of package that could get that deal done
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
If the Pirates insist, we could also throw in Skip
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 3, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
And a letter of introduction to The Riot
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Kmac and Jenkins
not likely but preferable.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
FAR too limited a return on Miller.
"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 3, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
So drunk right now
but because i’m on GMT its like middle of the afternoon in American-ville and your all (well all except from Fritz) like WTF man??
Bursting into song.
There seems to be Irish whiskey in my coffee.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's a terrible thing to do to Irish whiskey
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
we'll have to agree to disagree
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
entropy, bitches.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
got to hide it at work a bit.
And there are few things better than coffee, jamesons, and baileys.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you're
2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 3, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
because the first thing I think of about VEB is that we judge you on your alcohol intake.
(Wait, what?)
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm in college
It’s not weird to be drunk now
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 3, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
well, he's a 52-year-old senior
juuuuuuuust can’t seem to get those last two science credits…..
something is happening here but you don't know what it is
I'm in college
it’s not weird to be drunk now
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 3, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
What I got right recently:
I ordered the ceramic World Champions stein from Fox store with score of every postseason game imprinted. Boss!
And Champions Club tickets for Opening Day +1 and +2!
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
Well Cardball guesses this is what college is all about...
Cardball’s birthday is tomorrow and Cardball’s whole floor found out. So now they think Cardball is going to drink 19 shots. Also Cardball’s parents are coming and taking Cardball out to lunch tomorrow at 11. This has the potential to be very bad. It’ll be entertaining at the very least.
man
at 19 you shouldn’t be getting hungover. and thus it should all be good. And if you are hungover, then i’m sueing you for breach of copyright.
Bursting into song.
Cardball would agree.
Cardball’s just thinking ahead on this one. Either way, Cardball’s getting fucked up tonight. Cardball’s not sure on how bad, but with a crowd of people encouraging Cardball to drink, there’s little doubt that Cardball will drink copious amounts of alcohol.
What are you Casey Miller?
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Would you quit posting in the third person?
It’s ignorant and a great way to set yourself up for a meme
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I took that into account, but if he does it drunk, he has desire or tendency to do it when not drunk
It’s all for the best if he see’s this tomorrow and makes a life change. I’m trying to help him :)
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's part of the bet.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Could be ... either way if he comes back and continues it I won't take note of it but doubt he does for one reason or another
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
You were correct sir!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
It's more...embarassingly weird to read.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
The weirdest part to me anyway is that you're writing in third person present also.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
Also, that I''m assuming he's really cardball
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
foiled again
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hazel doesn't necessarily assume that.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
You are creeping me out Hazel by reminding me of Night Gallery episodes
Are you a doll?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm ashamed to say I puked after a 40 last night
Feeling good this morning though.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
To be fair, I think it was the entire box of pizza and cinnisticks that did it
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
goddamnit stop judging me
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I didn't realize Boone's came in 40s
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
by nota bene on Dec 3, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait, this isn't cardball, is it?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i had a nightmare last night
that vox media rehauled the entire SBN system. however, the only significant change to this site was that it only took one rec to turn the comment green. dream me was distraught.
it is what it is, not what we thought it'd be
six
is a serious number
2011 wOBA: Brendan Ryan .291, Aaron Miles .291
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 3, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Is that why VEB's is 6? Other sites seem to be like 2-4 but I always assumed it was VEB ex[ects higher from its green comments
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 3, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
lookout landing is like 20 now or something
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
yes and they all rec every comment
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
I'm from the Northwest, and I approve this statement.
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
more serial killers are from the north west than any other part of the country
i also have an uncle & family in eastern washington & they are all kinds of weird
Balls
or maybe it's just easier to serial kill in the northwest
and the ones who aren’t caught aren’t dumb ?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the Chinaman is not the issue here
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Shut the fuck up Donny, youre out of youre element!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
we used 5 as our benchmark, which was bumped
To 6 by danup, based on popular outcry in the wake of the “6 is a serious number” campaign, likely in 2009, before the ads were completely terrible.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's the fingas on one hand plus a thumba!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
here we go now
six
is a serious number
here’s twenty five cent
a tiny coin to be spent
for some wonder
when the cards score six it’s true – hey you!
head to mobile on the run
i’ll be waitin on you
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 3, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
been asking that for a couple of years now
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
you're a masochist
do you really need a reason?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not really, just curious is all
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
nothing a plate a bacon, a bottle of Maker's & a pan of brownies won't fix
/playthehits
//deadhorse
Balls
I wasn't going to mention this because I was worried it'd be construed as bad-creepy
but a few nights ago I dreamt that IHeartBoog wasn’t really who she claimed to be, and instead was actually Adam Wainwright disguising as an Arizona she-lawyer.
It was pretty cool. Who knew Waino wrote limericks!
Still not a werewolf.
best to not dwell on it
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Um.
How did you find this out?
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I don't really remember that part
I think he gave himself away, or DanUp figured it out.
Still not a werewolf.
hypothetically.
wait, “she-lawyer”? not female attorney? not Harvey Birdman?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
She-Lawyer is the long lost twin sister of Me-Madvocate who fights court battles in another dimension
Together they are the rightful prince and princess of Attorney-a.
With typo because that's how I roll now
It’s supposed to be He-Madvocate, prince of Attorney-a. By the power of De Jure Skull.
Yeah, we can scratch that last part
I’m not a law student, there’s only so many terms I can come up with off the top of my head.
kind of like this
so no ombudsman-at-arms?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Also, this is one of those subthreads that apparently only Y2S and I care about
Whatevs, I ain’t mad a ya VEB.
it's a trainwreck, mattybobo!! aaaaahhh
but really, i think you’ve mentioned the Torto thing before.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, I wouldn't really be surprised if I had mentioned the Orko/Black Mage thing
But Torto was a lame attempt to make a joke combining Orko and tort law.
Yeah.
Single Female Lawyer -- Fighting For Her Clients and Being Self-Reliant
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 3, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Crap, I thought of that, but I wasn't sure.
I’ll live with it though. Btw, it looked much smaller before I put it in VEB.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Damn. Another thing I thought right after posting.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
wow i sort of wish i was adam wainwright now.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Way to try to throw us off the trail, Adam Wainwright.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I think my dreambrain chose the least suspect user.
You have the right combination of femininity and timing of VEB postings. “busy job” and whatnot, too.
Still not a werewolf.
CCDGAF about Adam Wainwright while fishing in Brazil with the loser of a shutout game 5 NLDS/his best friend/the loser of game 5 of the NLDS
Although he loves A.D.A.M. otherwise like an older brother
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and DongGlove is with them!
its a Halladay Holliday down there
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Did you see my post to the gossip lady on STLtoday?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
umm, no
same user name?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Is Holliday actually with them?
I figured she just mistook the name, still to do actually
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
so did I, since there was no mention of Halladay
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
hence my comment
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
i usually just browse that site on my phone when I'm working and rarely read the comments
that being said, CCDNGAF about what eyedoc thinks about his tattoos
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Right I've never felt motivated to comment before, but I got the impression the gossip lady felt she had a scoop for the gossip mongers
and was so clueless about it I decided to comment, because none of the other posters had a clue that it wasn’t Holliday that Carp was fishing with. While I was there I answered the tat question about what they were.
Was eyedoc the one who felt Carp was disfiguring his body? … suppose so.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
"mutilating" his body
like Carp ever has to worry about showing his tats at a day job….evar! I, myself, will never get a tattoo, but I appreciate good body art when I see it.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
CCDGAF about day jobs or being embarrassed about body art!
Stupid eyedoc lady!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Did you follow proper disinfection procedures before coming here
after vising stltoday?
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
First ever response, but yes I do read it, loads quicker than the mother ship and get the same news
And yes I was afterwards
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
wash
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I had a dream my house was robbed
the window was smashed in, the house was dark on the inside, and my neighbors house was miles away and I could never reach it to call for help.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 3, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 3, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so, the SEC is investigating the Marlins
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
well, that's a bombshell. the SEC didn't give
A crap about Bernie Madoff, so this obviously means the Marlins are doing something worse than Madoff. That is what this means, right?
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
to be honest
I have no idea. Safe to say that we don’t know the whole story yet. Makes me wonder what led up to this.
Sure seems like it’s supposed to be a shot across the bow of MLB (and by extension, all of pro sports) to play fair with public financing. I’m just scratching my head about why the Marlins, why now. Maybe they feel like the Marlins are an easy target in a way that other franchises wouldn’t be (Loria is not exactly widely admired, it’s a young franchise, some local politicians have already been recalled, basically everyone already suspects something shady happened, etc).
(PS: as for Madoff…..this post is already close enough to /nopolitics. The Madoff thing is just….ugh.)
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
Are there any baseball teams left that need new stadiums?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
the Cubs are the most obvious one
Passan’s article (I know, I know) said 25 of 30 MLB teams have new stadia since 1991.
What? I can't hear you over ALL THE CHAMPAGNE BEING POURED IN MY EARS.
You are correct sir, but do you really think those Stag swilling fans even want a new stadium to replace that repugnant relic
There would probably be a mammoth outcry if they tried to even improve it like the BosSox have been doing with Fenway
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Old Style!
I will not have you besmirch the name of a perfectly cromulent cheap beer.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
On what fucking planet is Stag a perfectly cromulent beer?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
As far as Stag goes,
I’ve had worse.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Among lousy American light lagers
it’s sorta not quite as bad.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
If the choice is Bud Light, Old Style or Stag
I’d pick Stag.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'd probably go with diet coke, in that scenario
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
I meant Old Style
I think both suck so sorry … Old Milwaukee is a much better cheap beer!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Have not had OE, but have in my younger days seen many on the side of the road, it's a malt isn't it?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
same as, better than, or = to Schlitz Malt Liquor and Colt 45?
how’d you rate them?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't had either
I can tell you that it’s better than Mickey’s though.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Dude, no need to disrespect the hand grenades.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 3, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Mickey, Mikey, he's so fine, hey Mikey, hey Mikey
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Or Mickey if you like
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am so disappointed by this beer conversation on VEB right now
I need a craft beer to cleanse my palette after reading this.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
well all beer is crap anyway
malt gets you the drunkest.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
he likes their falsetto voices
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Ok I'll revise that
Some beers taste better than others obviously; however, i have not yet had a beer that I would call “good”. So, if I’m going to drink beer it’s going to be for the sole purpose of getting a buzz, although obviously I’d prefer a better tasting beer. Then again, I’d have the weigh that against cost and alcohol content.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Where am wrong?
If you like the taste of beer, great for you. Other people don’t and are mystified as to why people care so much about good beer.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
There is not good beer and other beer
There is just beer
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
that is the most untrue thing I've ever read.
Of course, since I know where you are from, I’m extremely disappointed.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
There is just beer after the first few
actually I would have thought you would appreciate it, since we know where each other comes from
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
just shittin ya
It’s not that after the first few they all taste the same, it’s getting thru the first few. I can’t stand light beers. And many craft beers are just yummy. And many macro-brews all taste the same.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say all beer tastes the same
I said there there is just beer … and after the first few, whatever you started with, there is just beer. I can live with whatever they taste like regardless of brand or style. I do prefer certain brands or styles, but I like beer no matter the pedigree. Bad beer is better than no beer.
And by beer i mean alcohol.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree with this
I would never turn down a beer in need.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 3, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, it just read to me that
you were saying beer is beer. I just don’t happen to agree. If somebody offers me a Natty Lite, I’m likely to refuse because I’d rather just drink water. I don’t drink very often anymore, but when I do I want it to taste like something.
I was just jerking your chain though.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
likewise
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
I meant to ask you before
did you go to school with the Jahraus boys? You’d have to be around Kevin’s age anyway.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 4, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Younger than Kevin by probably about 4 yrs
Do know them though
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
heh, I didn't think that Kevin was that old.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 4, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's supposed to be an acquired taste argument.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
you came into a conversation
where people discuss what beer they like and said that all beer sucks. then complained that it’s just personal preference
No, I came into a conversation that was talking a out cheap beer
And named a cheap beer that I liked. Than Azru was all like “lol, these are all shitty beers. I’m gonna go drink a fancy microbrew to purge this from my mind”.
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and then you told him that what he likes sucks
and then complained that it’s all just personal preference when people disagreed with you
No, first I said "I'll revise that"
And explained my personal preference. Than beer me dropped the age card, once again.
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is it possible that lots of people say things like that
because you say lots of misguided things? or is it everyone else that’s wrong?
Aah, now it's the populism card
VEB is really on with the logical fallacies today.
So let me get this straight, you’re arguing that my opinion that beer doesn’t taste good is misguided? Because that’s the reason why h brought age into this.
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Aah, now it’s the populism card
VEB is really on with the logical fallacies today.
well, since i’m not asserting any facts, it’s not exactly a logical fallacy. my point is that you’re constantly in arguments where it’s obvious that you’re wrong to everyone except for yourself, but of course it’s just everyone else that’s wrong. it’s a trend. it’s suggestive
So let me get this straight, you’re arguing that my opinion that beer doesn’t taste good is misguided?
i’m arguing that you sound like every other 16 to 18 year old who just drank beer for the first time. including most of us
90% of my arguments here are with Fourstick
So unless you’re saying he’s an unbiased voice of reason, I’m not sure what bringing up my arguments serves to show. The only recent arguments I can think of where the majority of people disagreed with me were the suits one and the Franklin one. I’ll admit I was misguided on the first, the latter was completely based in evidence.
i’m arguing that you sound like every other 16 to 18 year old who just drank beer for the first time. including most of us
Alright whatever. Saying something is cliche is not actually an argument. I’ve also had plenty of beers before (although less that most everyone else here!), so that’s not even right.
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you let me get off track
i’m now defending beer me’s post for some reason
my point was all along to point out that you got butthurt when people criticized your “all beer sucks” post and used the “it’s personal preference” card as a backup
I didn't get butthurt because people criticized my "beer sucks" post
I got butthurt because they criticized it on account of my age. That renders the argument not over difference of opinions, but rather where I am objectively wrong.
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lolol, you're just too old to get it!
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The first part does:
Criticizing an argument based on the age of the arguer is a fallacy.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
this sentence doesn't
That renders the argument not over difference of opinions, but rather where I am objectively wrong.
Which is the second part.
See how I said the first part.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
and you'll see
how you felt the need to counter my point as if it weren’t clear what i was referring to, so you’ll understand why i felt the need to clarify myself. thanks for the snark, though
You're saucy today.
What’s the deal?
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
-_-
want to talk about it?
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
you replied to my post
as if i were wrong. when i clarified, you turned wiseass. that’s how i tend to respond to unsolicited wiseass
Let me illistrate
Guy A) I think beer tastes good
Guy B) I think beer tastes bad
Guy A) You’re just to young to understand, wait till you get older and then you’ll see that I am right.
It turns it from stating differences in opinion, to stating that one guy has less of standing to argue.
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Perhaps you should go.
Not seeing this going anywhere.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
i don't think so
the argument was that Guy A has less perspective on which to base his opinion than Guy B. that doesn’t suddenly make it an objective argument, though
Well it's along the same lines..
Perspective implies evidence, which is part of an objective argument.
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why?
all subjective opinions are based on perspective. perspective is relative and therefore can’t influence something objective
ok, well it's an attempt at providing evidence
which gesture’s towards objectivity. The evidence doesn’t have to be objective for an argument to be objective. Take the fan’s scouting report.
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not a very good analogy
fans’ scouting report is a collection of personal, unscientific estimates of objective, measurable quantities
the only parallel i can think of would be that statistically anyone who likes beer was significantly likely to hate it when they first tried it and then slowly grow to like it
Also, while perspective is subjective
An increase in samples from which to base your perspective on is and objective measurement (although it assumes that more > less).
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so...
your argument is that Guy B’s opinion carries more weight than Guy A’s?
wasn’t that the original point you were countering?
Goddamnit, I knew you were gonna do that
No my argument is that citing age is making an objective argument about something that is purely subjective.
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Which I actually don't have a problem doing in certain cases
So, nevermind
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also
I’ve also had plenty of beers before (although less that most everyone else here!), so that’s not even right.
you appear to have missed my point
and anyway, your revision
was to say that some beer just sucks less than others. so i don’t see how my point isn’t valid
i didn't think you were being a dick
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I'm in Oregon
I’m sure I’ll make it up to St. Louis one day to see some Card’s games.
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Is she from Salem?
ha ha ha
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 3, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And let's face it,
Old Style is made from the piss from the troughs at Wrigley. It ain’t worth the energy for a mild disagreement.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I remember when I had my first beer
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
When I was 7 or 8, Grandpa would give me sips of his.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I was also same age ... got sicker than a dog that night
And I was responding to beer me, who I think/thought was possibly quoting Steve Martin. Great album, it was his response to a heckler…but of course you know that, because you wear an ascot you suave devil. You rarely respond, to posts but when you do it’s usually something unusual.
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
why do we say "sicker than a dog" when dogs eat
Rancid meat out of the garbage can either without negative effect or, worst case, they throw up once and then happily lick your face? Dogs seem to have a virtual immunity to our general intestinal maladies.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I did not know that
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Needs more philosoraptor.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
my dad used to have me fetch beers for him at parties
when i got old enough to learn to shake his beer before I gave it to him, I didnt have to fetch anymore
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a hypothesis that you become more interested in bitter and sour flavors as you age.
I only drank whiskey and vodka until I was 23 or so because I found beer totally intolerable. There are also lots of other things that I didn’t understand/appreciate until around that age. Nutmeg, curry, coffee, and real cheese are also things I didn’t really care for or notice until I was in my mid twenties.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
That's fair
I don’t like soda or juice anymore. I have always liked sour stuff though. I used to drink straight lemon juice.
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Not sure if it's physiological or if you just get bored of the other stuff and open up your horizons.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I think it's a matter of being closer to death causing you to like stuff that is dead
Fermented wheat, aged cheese…
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That explains my sudden interest in necrophilia...
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I think that it's because your taste buds wear down and become less sensitive
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
I like to believe more refined
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
That's not until your sixties.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
When you have a "good" beer you'll know
The difference between truly good beer and truly not-good beer is huge.
Angels
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
bean town, tampa, flubs, KC, oaktown, dodgers&angles are the only teams without new homes
it’s hard to believe the skydome opened up 20+ years ago, camden yards, the ballpark in arlington, turner field,coors, the Jake & new comiskey opened in the mid 90’s
Balls
Isn't Dodger Stadium the third oldest park?
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
Sigh -- It seems only yesterday.
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
all my troubles seemed so far away
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
does Kaufman Stadium need replaced?
or the team that plays in it? I really liked the stadium when I was there
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I was right about Berkman
Right about McClellan
Right about Theriot and Skip
Kind of right about Garcia (his xFIP was top 20 in baseball this year among starters)
Wrong about Pujols
Wrong about Rasmus
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/five-questions-st.-louis-cardinals1/
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Alright it's official, videozer sucks now
What a swift decline.
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shocker: dodgers sign capuano in lieu of perennial
Star hiroki kuroda #cheapcheapfunfun
Kuroda will now entertain offers from the other 29 teams. Interesting target for cards if pujols fails to sign.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 4:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Kuroda has said he will go back to Japan to play if he doesn't stay with the Dodgers.
Of course a sufficient financial incentive could change his mind.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
not anymore.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/rockies-quietly-pursuing-hiroki-kuroda.html
“According to Rosenthal, Kuroda is now willing to consider all offers, regardless of location.”
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I keep hoping I can catch who the ballplayer is, but I never manage to.
Dave Roberts?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
fuck that
I was starting to get motion sick, and that never happens.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 3, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
this is what everybody in the whole world looked
Like to ken kesey, for about fifteen years.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
This is just craaaaazy ... especially in slightly inebriated mode
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I was listening to Pink Floyd's "Dogs" when I scrolled over this
creepy
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
I think your right.
Dave Roberts
George Will
Anyone else we recognize?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 3, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oof. That is NOT Dave Roberts.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
so today I went to petsmart and purchased my cat a few toys
well he jumped up on the counter and got to the bag before I could give them to him. In the process he got the bag wrapped around him. I can’t catch him so he’s just running around with a plastic bag around his body.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
find a camera
the internet loves pictures of cats. Not sure if you were aware of that fact or not.
Grit != flat out sucking.
by Evilfrog on Dec 3, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i mean, look where pictures of tortoises get you
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
WOOOOOOOOOO
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
I'm about to crack into Trader Joe's 2011 Vintage Ale
I’m excited, to say the least.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
I actually picked one of those up last night- pretty good stuff.
I’m not a big lambic fan, but was in the mood. Ridiculous head, and it was so spicy that I spent close to an hour sipping one bottle. But I liked it. I probably screwed up by putting it into a sam adams glass instead of a snifter.
Going with Sierra Nevada “celebration ale” today. I think it’s a bit better, but that might be the hops talking.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
It's alright.
The bottle was kind of a bitch to get into. I only had guiness glasses clean so went with that.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
I'm a fan of Sierra Nevada Torpedoes!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I had a bad experience with sierra nevada the first time I had it. Never tried it again.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
SN ale or the Torpedoes?
SN ale is good,, Torpedoes are awesome…or was it a case of too many?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
way too many.
I didn’t realize how high the alcoholic content was on the one I was having. I don’t remember a whole lot from that evening.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
The Torpedoes are fairly high on content so I understand
Should have a warning label other than the content labe which we are not used to looking at in … Merica!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really care for their standard,
but the specialty stuff is pretty good. For some reason, I always feel like shit the day after drinking more than a 6-pack of SN, but for a mass-market beer, they are very decent. Not in, say, Stone or Ballast Pt territory, but I’d say, “good tier”.
I’d rank them Glissade, ….big gap…, tumbler, torpedo, celebration, … others that weren’t really memorable.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
Have you had the Celebration Christmas IPA yet?
good stuff.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No I have not seen that in these parts
By which I mean my local beer store, but I will inquire
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
and the subthread comes full circle...
anyway, try your local Ralphs. it is what it is.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
Shit.
Trying to get this health promotion program written tonight. 9 pages to go. Time to bust out the Jameson.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
So I got a little tipsy
decided to take a shower, now I’m burning up.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
anything crawling under your skin
?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
WTF, Blackhawks third-man in?
Fuck off.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
and no penalty for toews!
poor job by the refs tonight. How does a guy drop his gloves, land some shots on a guy on the ice, and still not get a penalty call?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
BS
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
It was the BS to end TCs BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
So my BS was not satisfactory then I see
hmmmmmmmmmmmph
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Okay so, is it just me or is Irish whiskey much shittier than Bourbon/Tennessee Whiskey?
Good Scotch and Bourbon are both good, but this Jameson is pretty shitty compared to Maker’s or other middling Bourbon whiskey I’ve had.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I'm not a big fan of whiskey really
but Jameson and Tullamore, etc, I just cant handle. The only whiskey I really like is VO, and I hardly drink that anymore. Jack Daniels single barrel is the shit though
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 3, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I feel the exact same way
I love Bourbon and a good scotch. Irish Whiskey does nothing for me
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 3, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
BS
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 4, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Try Michael Collins single malt
Jameson’s is the Jack Daniels of Ireland
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
so i finished the trader joe's vintage ale
it really grew on me. I think it should most certainly be served only slightly chilled.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
luhnow
ok i get we don’t want him to go to Houston, but isn’t it over assuming the farm would go to crap just because he leaves? I would think he has brought up others around him and taught them a thing or two. If you are building a team based around one guy for that sort of thing it doesn’t have good long term plan if he/or whoever leaves.
because TLR
Yea, but there's no guarantee the next guy is better.
Luhnow is already doing a great job. Odds are better that the new guy is worse than they are that he would be better.
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
the mark of a great leader is they can find people better than them and raise them up
and almost work themselves out of a job. if the success of the cards is hinged on one guy they are in trouble long term..take a step this way or that is not what i mean..
because TLR
Ugh, I have 15 pages worth of essays to write by Monday
One of them’s on a movie though.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
Evening VEB
I hope we’re all voting for Freese for the Postseason MVP Gibby award
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 3, 2011 9:14 PM EST reply actions
Chris f'n Carpenter
DGAF
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
CCGAF enough to win game 7!
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Alright VEB, I'm counting on you to solve this question i've had for a while
When I was a little kid I used to watch this animated film on VHS. I don’t believe it was Disney but it could have been. The basic premise was it was about a lion who didn’t want to be king anymore (not the Lion King) or he ran away or something like that, and his dimwit brother (obviously also a lion) who knew nothing about being a king had to take over for him. That’s about the best I can give you. It’s really obscure and I’ve tried to find out the name for a few years now and I’m sure once I see a summary I’ll recognize it instantly, but so far I’ve come up empty. Winner receives a million internets.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 3, 2011 9:20 PM EST reply actions
nope
it was a full movie, though I do believe the lion’s name was Leo, of course it usually is
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 3, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
(kimba was leo, fwiw. but i agree, likely not him)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_lions#Lions_in_cartoon.2C_animation_and_comics
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It was based on their research notes when they created their Original Character
who is a lion that also has blue wings and a rainbow unicorn horn and is a Gryffindor. And has sex with everybody.
[Surgeon General’s Warning: Don’t picture anything you read on VEB]
a ye olde link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aTnhO5b8zk
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we should disclaim that CSI is not meant to be a tool for learning.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
kimba?
no, that was the one disney ripped off
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well i hope you're not talking about Robin Hood
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Nah
I loved that animated movie though. I don’t know why but when i was a kid, I laughed hysterically at the opening scene/titles
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 3, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I remember one of the scenes involves the new lion getting fitted with a kings robe
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 3, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
Similar to the scene I’m talking about, but I know it’s not Robin Hood.
I also think there was a scene with a song where they go through the “you say tomato I say tomato” thing. I realize this is so obscure and if it’s actually found I may have to send the person something.
by CarpIsMyManCrush on Dec 3, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
The Emperor's New Clothes?
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment." -- Woody Allen
by Cardinals645 on Dec 4, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
it was called "edward viii"
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 3, 2011 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So, Szymborski's ZiPS projections are rolling out now
The next three scheduled are Twins, Dodger, and Cardinals.
Did somebody mention the Szymborski inquisition?
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 3, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
he better know something about cartoons with lions in them.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hope Clemson Girl is watching her Tigers run all over Va Tech tonight.
"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa
The blues looked like garbage tonight.
“When I say that you’re garbage, I mean that you’re garbage.”
I expect a slightly (though pre-10am) thread tomorrow as I’m already feeling “good” and have two parties to attend tonight. Silly obligations.
Rock on everyone.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
looking forward to the slightly thread
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 3, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Slightly articulate ?
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 3, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
robot's rocking out with his hard drive out?
Balls
by gdm426 on Dec 3, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea if anyone will see this
but, I was only a few beers in when I typed this comment. Add two vodka-redbulls,three rum and cokes and some unknown shots and you get yesterday’s main thread. You also get a robot who is sick beyond telling yesterday. Worst hangover ever.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I remember when I had my first ... your list of drinks
Hope you are feeling better
11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 5, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
that actually sound like a couple of pretty weak parties
need to upgrade your alcohol sensors.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
Your daily December Christmas song:
I posted this sometime in Nov, but I won’t let that stop me from rehashing it.
Thanks to the reindeer that pull me on my sleigh.
Thanks for the moonlight that guides me on my way.
I won’t be greedy, I won’t ask for much these days.
I just need one thing, please believe in me.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions
intriiiiiguing
http://www.vonglitschka.com/2011/12/02/king-of-diamonds/
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It... sorta looks like Berkman.
#HappySeason
by The Continental on Dec 3, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
their stuff tends to be cluttered
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'd totally buy a card deck
with STL, MIL, TEX and DET suits.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
too bad the structure was what it was
It’d be cooler to have a Phillies suit than a Brewers suit.
Still not a werewolf.
Yeah, but then you'd lose the opportunity
to have nyjer morgan or ryan braun as the queen of MIL.
"With the miraculous escape of the entire St. louis baseball team still fresh in our memories we may well ask, is there such a thing as luck? What is luck? ... It is a mystery we may never know. However, this we do know... -F. C. Lane, 1911
WOOOOOO! -VEB, 2011.
by SleepyCA on Dec 3, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
there is just nothing to do on the weekend nights during the holidays
if you have no friends or office parties to go to
Balls
gdm, you have a rare freedom that few people have
because you’re life sucks so much, you can sit in your bed all day everyday watching tv and eating bacon and brownies. embrace it.
Secretary of WAR and defense (Tyler Greene Fanclub). PUT TYLER ON THE GREENE.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 4, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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