When do the Cardinals' prospects have prospects?
As the minor leagues begin to produce role players by the yard Dan Szymborski's annual St. Louis Cardinals ZiPS projections become more and more interesting to me. At this point it's finally no longer about just how terrible the Cardinals would be if any one player got hurt—it's about just how close to ready all the mid-grade prospects we've followed on Future Redbirds have become. At this point the replacement players have finally been replaced, in a lot of roles, by guys who could rapidly become more than that.
With ZiPS's OPS+ and ERA+ projections in hand, then, here's how the Cardinals' real, live replacement level types look as the calendar ticks to 2012.
3B: Zack Cox (92), Matt Carpenter (94). With Daniel Descalso (93) also a natural third baseman, the Cardinals figure to withstand a hit at third better than any other position—which is good, because they're also more likely to take a hit at third.
Cox's projection—.278/.327/.377—is one of the more pleasant surprises on the list, if only because I've been ceaselessly pessimistic about his prospects from the moment the Cardinals drafted him. Of course, the question hasn't really been whether he could be an average third baseman in the Major Leagues—it's what a star-caliber version of Zack Cox would look like, and I'm still not sure.
Matt Carpenter, meanwhile, is in the unenviable position of backing up an extremely fragile and nearly identically valuable regular. Given the way the Cardinals' bench appears to be firming up I think Matheny and Oquendo should bring the anyone-can-play-second meme back to life and throw him the relevant glove or mitt, because he has nothing else to do in AAA and might as well spot David Freese while his ankles are good.
OF: Erik Komatsu (86), Adron Chambers (83). Skip Schumaker was also 86, in case you haven't opened your Why Did The Cardinals Sign Skip Schumaker? Page-A-Day yet.
I can't exactly get excited about Erik Komatsu, since he seems to top out as a fourth-going-on-fifth outfielder, but the roster rules and the nebulous questions of upside—maybe he'll learn how to steal bases—surrounding Adron Chambers mean the Cardinals might as well keep Komatsu around if he's ready to put up a nearly identical line (.254/.328/.350) as the Rule 5 guy.
With Allen Craig, Carlos Beltran, and Lance Berkman all clustered around that right field/first base area it probably won't sting that the Cardinals' top minor league corner outfielder by ZiPS (which didn't project Oscar Taveras) is noted walk-taker and erstwhile second baseman Aaron Luna (.220/.330/.344.) With Carpenter, Mark Hamilton, and Matt Adams all looking for a place to stand and swing a bat for a while, and Schumaker around for the duration, there are plenty of unconventional temporary solutions to any outfield rotation problem.
1B: Matt Adams (98), Mark Hamilton (94). Adams is another guy whose nice ZiPS line surprised me. .264/.315/.415 isn't going to do it at first base, obviously, but going into his age-23 season and having hit at every level there's more room for improvement than those of us who were (perhaps unduly) skeptical of his Texas League romp might have anticipated. A big season in the Pacific Coast League will make me maybe 10% less skeptical than I am now, given the PCL's Coors-Field-in-2000 makeover, but it would probably be enough for the (more rational) braintrust to pencil him in somewhere.
As for Mark Hamilton, I remain convinced by something that can't be logic, observation, or his stats that he could do a good Ben Broussard impression somewhere for somebody. But at 27, and surrounded by both Matts, he probably won't do it in St. Louis.
C: Bryan Anderson (82), Tony Cruz (74). From the Why Did The Cardinals Sign Skip Schumaker? Page A Day Calendar for February 15, 2012: I'm a little—concerned isn't the right word, let me back up. I have an unsupported hunch that the Cardinals' remarkably thorough collection of left-handed bench bats who will remind you of Skip Schumaker could make a difference when it comes time for the Cardinals to choose between Bryan Anderson (.246/.306/.358) and right-handed, third-base-playing, admittedly better-on-defense Tony Cruz (.237/.287/.352).
MIF: Tyler Greene (84), Ryan Jackson (70), Pete Kozma (58). I was pleasantly surprised by Cox and Adams's lines; Ryan Jackson's .242/.297/.352 marks were both easier to anticipate and still a little disappointing. A 70 OPS+ gets you about a half-step better than Cesar Izturis—a useful guy on the bench, but not someone I'd be excited to start unless Jackson's defense is outstanding, instead of just very good.
Tyler Greene, Tenured Utility Infielder, though—that I'm kind of excited about. A left-handed second baseman and an injury prone shortstop means the Cardinals are in an ideal position to get something out of a shortstop they at least pretended they'd be interested in starting.
P: Shelby Miller (94), Lance Lynn (93), Maikel Cleto (77). Stop it! I see you there, eyeing Shelby Miller for 2012, staring with lascivious intent at those 8.5 strikeouts per nine innings. Lance Lynn is more boring, but he's also not 21. (Mike Matheny something something hunting knife.) I'm also hoping the Cardinals still see Marc Rzepczynski—projected here as a perfectly okay reliever—as a possible starter.
In the bullpen—well, I'm not sure there's such a thing as easily anticipated bullpen depth. Jason Motte (120) and Fernando Salas (117) project well, and Eduardo Sanchez's (116) mysterious shoulder aside he would make a great third-chair righty.
In case you've already scrolled past it: the link for the full 2012 Cardinals ZiPS Projections
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They are from MLBDepthCharts
Which is a pay site btw but I got these in a free subscription so I don’t feel bad about sharing them
Typo?
…but the roster rules and the nebulous questions of upside—maybe he’ll learn how to steal bases—surrounding Adron Chambers mean the Cardinals might as well keep Komatsu around if he’s ready to put up a nearly identical line (.254/.328/.350) as the Rule 5 guy
Do you mean “might as well keep Chambers around if he’s ready to put up a nearly identical line as the Rule 5 guy?”
Don't think it's a typo
replace the last “the” with an “a” and it sounds like it should, I think.
“if he’s ready to put up a nearly identical line (.254/.328/.350) as a Rule 5 guy”
Yeah, I had to read that twice before parsing it in the same way.
Essentially means keep Komatsu in favor of Chambers, if he’s ready to do about as well as ZiPS projects him, in the Rule 5 guy role (i.e., 4th/5th outfielder who we can get rid of, and get back $25,000 if he doesn’t work out).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
whoops
I meant “might as well keep komatsu around if chambers will only put up a nearly identical line to the Rule 5 guy”, or something like that—keep komatsu on the roster because if he and chambers are identical now, that way you can keep both of them. thanks for catching it.
Anybody know which McD's have the 2011 DVD out in the counties?
Closer to westport or st. chas around 94 would be ideal.
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
The Willott and Jungermann McD's had them on Monday
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
thanks, I'll swing by after work.
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"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Kinda
Back in the day I had a dog named Jaxon. He was so hyper that my niece would say he was always full of ‘action’. I thought it was pretty cute, so from then on, we would jokingly refer to him as action jaxon
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
does it have anything to do with this classic movie???

This movie has it all. Carl Weathers, Vanity & her boobies, and a racist, smack-dealing, karate-knowing Craig T. Nelson. Also Action Jackson flips over a speeding taxi, leading to an explosive crash!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
^^^ Can I recant and go with this story instead?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
This is exactly where I grew up at
Like half a mile away
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
are these available online or do i need to physically go into a mcdonalds in STL and get one?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I got one online
but it was a couple weeks ago and, iirc, the e-mail said something like “last chance”. Unfortunately, I’ve deleted the promo e-mail I ordered it from but, at least at one time, you could order one.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
mcdonalds website has no mention of it
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
http://mcdonaldsstl.com/2011-Cardinals-World-Series-Champions-DVD.asp
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
lol, i was on mcdonalds.com...nothing there
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know about y'all but i'm craving some big mac's, fries, mcnuggets & Dr Pepper right now like a mofo
Balls
really?
gross. well, unless you are drunk, then i understand the desire for french fries.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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gdm is always drunk
Gone Drinkin’ Mommy
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
ewww, no i am not
i can’t remember the last time i was drunk, it’s been years
and IHB i didn’t go to McD’s, i just had a craving. i’m a fat loser, McD’s is the closest thing to love i’ll ever get
Balls
Wait what?
Why don’t you get drunk? It’s a great way to pass the time.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
i just don't have the desire to get drunk anymore
i’m good with a drink or two every now & then. but i’m 34 mow, i can’t be getting drunk all the time
Balls
2 days hangovers are a bitch.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
My 26 yr old nephew just found that out a couple of weeks ago.
I laughed my ass off at him.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think maybe TGOTB
is your nephew
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
too old,
but I did find out at age 26 or so.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Skip is Probably a Chemistry Signing
Skip is reportedly a great guy in the clubhouse. He works hard, sets a good example, and is supposedly popular with the other players. He sets a tone for what it means to act like a professional major leaguer.
I’m not defending the signing—I’d rather get people that play good baseball. But if Komatsu and Skip are going to be roughly as valuable, it is possible Skip is worth the extra million in the way he influences other players. And cutting him might generate a lot of ill will in the clubhouse.
Also, if Komatsu projects to play like Skip in the majors, well, he’d be jumping from double-A and might miss that projection. Skip is more likely to make his projection. Teams like certainty, even certain mediocrity.
While this all makes a certain amount of sense for one year, I can’t figure out the second year at all, other than some attempt to “respect” Skip.
It's obviously more fun to filet the Schumaker signing.
But he does hit righties well . . .
by EddieHarsch on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Hm
I’m not even sure he does that anymore. The last two years his wRC+ against righties has been 90 and 91 (going backwards). Now, his career split is still a healthy 108, and the last two years before that (i.e. 2009 and 2008) his splits against righties were 121 and 131, respectively. Also, he has seen his PA total go down gradually the last few years, so the 2011 and 2012 splits could be a weird smaller-sample anomaly. He pretty much lucked into being better against lefties (97 wRC+) in 2011. He has been god-awful against them the rest of his career (45 wRC+).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Oops
I meant, the 2011 and 2010 splits could just be anomalies. Or, crazy notion, I know, it could just be that Skip isn’t even really an average hitter anymore and therefore has pretty much no real strength as a baseball player.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Exactly.
Skip was a marginally useful player at his “peak,” (which was more like a Cahokia mound) but he’ll be 32 before next season and he’s on the decline.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for Cahokia Mound reference
I haven’t lived in StL for 16 years, but still do remember my 5th grade class field trip to Cahokia Mounds and how unbelievably boring it was.
NorCal CARDS FAN
Elephant rocks was the best field trip I can remember
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Is there a place in the area called
Johnson Shut-in or something like that. I have a memory of a High School field trip there. Cliff diving/jumping
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 29, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Johnson's Shut-ins is lots of fun.
Was wiped out by the reservoir disaster several years back, but they seem to have finally gotten it rebuilt and reopened. I haven’t been since the reopening, though.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, we used to go there every summer and to Elephant Rock where we had tons of fun,, have some
relatives that live in Doe Run..
by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 29, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
I have, went this last summer with the wife. It's still good fun
There are evacuation route signs everywhere now
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
when I was in grade school
we took a field trip to a Lays potato chip factory. At the end we got a free bag of chips.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Your class got free L:ays?
My grade school sucked by comparison then.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, my school rocked
we also got extended recess one day because they were using a helicoper to install something on the Purina dog food plant next door to the school. The whole school was just watching the helicopter.
The best was in the spring when it finally warmed up and they would open the windows and a breeze would carry in the smell of freshly made dog food.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
We kinda did the same thing at this one factory I worked at when I was younger.
The top part of the press we were building was so big that we had to tear a hole in the roof and have a Chinook drop it in through the hole. The entire plant just stopped for about a half an hour.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that sounds about like what I remember.
It was an enormous helicopter, but I was 10 so everything seemed enormous back then.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
If it was a Chinook
they are pretty enormous no matter how old you are.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
is it weird that i basically have no memory of grade school
even middle school is pretty much a blur
Too drunk, eh?
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ha its sad whenever people talk about their grade school experiences
i always wonder if its weird that i basically don’t remember anything. like i couldn’t name any of my teachers names before 5th grade
I went to a very small k-8 school.
Everybody knew everybody and if you got in trouble at school, it usually beat you home.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm familiar with small schools as well heh
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
At least the school you went to got turned into a HS.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
The high school was always a high school
We had a separate grade school and then went to a certain predominately German heritage town for grades 7/8, and then 8th grade was in the H.S. you refer to for both towns
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Later on things changed up with the inclusion of another former sports rival town in the mix now
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
i guess I had forgotten all that
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't there to see the changes happen, but in middle of job/location changes we came home for a month in
1996, by which said changes had already taken place and my son had to go to 1st grade in the later town for a month…my old middle school History teacher was the principle by that time…we moved on to new job, then when my son was in junior year I changed jobs again and moved back to my home town and my son wound up graduating from my old HS, my former English teacher was by this time School Councilor (she was a 1st year teacher when I had her as a Freshman)
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
wait for it
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
you guys were a cozy bunch up there, eh?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
heh I knew the last comment wouldn't go unnoticed and almost changed it for clairification
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know much about that up there.
the only contact that we really had with the smaller schools was baseball and maybe FFA and Scholar Bowl.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
i was captain of my high school scholar bowl team!
even made it on TV
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
My girls are on their scholar bowl team and I'm quite proud of them
wait is that the one they play like a game show with two teams going against each other game style with buzzers answering questions from a variety of topics?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
no shit?
Our SB team made it to 12th nationally my junior year. And no, I wasn’t on it.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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thank you
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was called JETS back then.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
we made the Scholastic HiQ show
that was taped for the PBS station in Carbondale. We beat Joppa and lost to Breese Mater Dei…stupid Breese.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Are you talking about when you moved to the big city or before?
Cause you were about the same size before right?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was meaning when we went to Salem for HS.
I really don’t remember ever playing Farina or Kinmundy in grade school just in LL.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Funny as I was obviously not posting the names on purpose
Do you still live in Salem? Perhaps one of these days we could have a mini VEB get together and have a beer/lunch or something as I go through Salem on my way home from time to time.
Also we didn’t have baseball in grade school just little league in summers, but when we got to Jr Hi we had a school baseball program
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
as long as we keep peoples' names out of it
I’m still in Iuka, actually. Sounds fine to me. Tackle Box is from down this way, too. If we could ever catch both of you guys home sometime, we could do that, too. Ever eat at the ABC? or do you have another preference?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Quandt's ABC Liquors Inc sounds great to me
That’s what you meant right? I’ve never been there but if you think it’s good it’s fine with me.
It’s cool that 3 of us from our area are members here! I’d love to meet Tackle Box as well, always thought that was a cool name.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
They do decent food.
I know the owner and spent a great many of my weekends camped out in there BSing with him. I haven’t been in there in quite a while, he’ll probably have a heart attack.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
shoot me an email so we can coordinate
and send a number so we can properly discuss. Sub-threads are great, though some may hope, and sometimes I would agree it would be good if we could collapse.
However, I don’t know that I would really want to be able to because sub-threads often evolve into something completely different. … Cue Spanish Inquisition skit
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
will do.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Rajah!
Tuning in is thinking of getting a Hornsby Avatar
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we even played you guys in
basketball or track in grade school. We didn’t have baseball, our conference had fast-pitch softball.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
As far as I can remember the only conf sport we had was basketball
And I really can’t remember who the heck we played but imagine it was the same nearby small towns
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
mine was so traumatic i blocked it out
whenever i do finally talk to a shink, that poor bastard has no chance
Balls
Is it weird that this is the same case, and I'm only 3 years removed from it?
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
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by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
my reaction was totally different...
my visit to the Cahokia Mounds is still vivid in my mind. As a 5th grader (might have been earlier), thinking about endless lines of hot amerindian chicks, carrying dirt in buckets made from deer skins, I’m pretty sure my reaction was mostly “WTF, guys we’ve never heard of made a mountain out of dirt, from scratch, and then disappeared?” (except we didn’t have the “WTF” expression yet).
That’s about the coolest, and tragic-est, thing a DIY-minded 12yo could imagine. Seriously, looking back, it ranks up there with RingWorld in terms of awesomeness, and “the fucking pyramids” in terms of “how the **** do you convince an entire civilization to do that”! I hadn’t actually read “RingWorld” yet, but otherwise, I guess you could say that visiting that dirt mound totally fueled my impending midlife crisis in a visceral way that learning about Alexander the Great never really could. (seriously). And I’ve been to several cities named Alexandria.
Not sure if that’s a good thing, or not. But I’d rather my kids at least have the opportunity to think about things that make them envision greatness, and reach down and touch it, rather than blind them with numbness.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
I somehow grew up in St. Louis without ever actually taking this field trip.
Anyway, this reminds me of an episode of the cartoon Invader Zim. Zim discovers that the ancient Martian civilization worked their butts off turning Mars and Mercury into giant spaceships. He asks a Martian hologram why they did this.
Hologram: My people worked themselves into extinction making our planet a working vessel!
Zim: Why would you do that?
Hologram: Because it’s cool!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Awesome!
Obviously teaching critical thinking skills wasn’t a big deal at my jr high/middle school. Asking "is it (or, “was it”) a good thing to build ginormous dirt mounds" is another subject entirely, one that I am now embarassed that I didn’t ask ;)
For the grade school teachers out there, if my teacher who took me to the mounds had raised questions like that, I’d probably remember his/her name.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
I agree.
When you climbed to the top, it felt like you just climbed a mountain. Felt the same way about going to Garden of the Gods for the first time as a kid.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think I was more impressed with the Snake mound than the rest.
To think that they made this giant snake out of dirt and made it as seemless as they did is just amazing.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I once found an arrow head there. Also had a rather remarkable acrobatic moment in the back seat of a Studebaker there as well!
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
I should admit something:
When the word “arrow” hit my eyeballs and messages were first being sent to my brain, the first thing I assumed was that you were making an “arrow in the knee” Skyrim joke.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
nah, was a real flint arrow head. As to the Studeabaker, I still remember the upholstery, the floor matts, and the girl, the gold watch and everything. . . .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
1st for me was in a 1968 Road Runner
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Jan 2, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Perfect . . My congrats Road (runner) Warrior
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
An idea
Could we have him in the clubhouse, so he sets a good example and adds to the chemistry, but never actually play him?
Maybe make him a coach but not tell him?
That way he doesn’t take up room on the 25-man or 40-man.
Boog would have made that play.
Skip for first base coach!
I’ll be he gives shoulder rubs with the best of ’em!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
is he tall enough to give shoulder rubs?
btw, nice sig. Abe Simpson is the best
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Do you think as a first base coach, he would wave players to slide into first
much like players do when heading home on a bang-bang play?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Hm... maybe he'd be better as a bench coach or something.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Clubhouse attendant.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
he could be like 2011 Waino...
super-duper cheerleader. Only, we can have him come in every-so-often and hit grandslams while Carp screams profanity from the dugout so loudly that it is audible on television.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Too much recommended head-first sliding.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Just imagine what he could do as a first base coach
The possibilities are endless
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Now that you mention it...
…could Skip be in the dugout for some kind of coaching/managing training?
I know Whitey told a similar story in his memoirs. Mediocre substitute infielder finds himself being mentored by the manager into… managing.
Cards fan in Middle East
I'd rather have Rally Adron anyway.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
The better shot
is when he tries to hug Yadi after the triple, and Yadi is all like “Don’t touch me, man”.
Gif, anyone? I wouldn’t know where to start.
Cards fan in Middle East
Towel boy
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That'd be one expensive coach/cheerleader
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Leave chemistry to the chemists
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 5:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Jeff Luhnow once compared Pete Kozma to Nomar Garciaparra.
That is all.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Does Kozma have severe OCD as well?
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
No, his dad is named Retep.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
by TBender on Dec 29, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If Kozma does have ADHD,
I hope he starts taking medication like Andres Torres so that everything clicks and he turns into a productive big-leaguer.
“With the medication, everything started clicking,” said Torres, who was traded to the Mets this month. “From then on, it changed.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The actual Torres story
Is a bit different than that.
But Kozma could use a conversation about what good mechanics actually look like.
Boog would have made that play.
Why would he be lying in the article, do you think?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
He's not lying
But some people want to play up the ADD angle more than other angles (which is fine and understandable but not the whole story).
The truth is a mix of mechanics and ADD.
The bottom line is that he wouldn’t be where he is if he just got his ADD under control because his mechanics would still be flawed.
Boog would have made that play.
This quote is from Torres himself.
What reason would Torres have to play up the ADHD angle more than other angles?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'll interject here
perhaps getting the ADHD under control allowed him to focus better on improving his mechanics.
/didn’t read the article, just butting into the conversation.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That's part of it, but the timeline and sequence is still off
Probably the best way to describe what happened is that the improved mechanics got Torres on the right path and the meds helped him stay on the path (most of the time).
However, and again, there wouldn’t have been any story if Torres hadn’t gotten his mechanics right.
Boog would have made that play.
even if veteran players banded together and had him shipped off to Seattle?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Because they were making made a movie about his struggles with ADHD
And obviously he’s trying to help people with ADHD and serve as a source of inspiration.
The story is much simpler if it’s told as…
1. Struggled before meds.
2. Succeeded with meds.
As is typical, reality is more complicated than that.
P.S. I believe that greenies weren’t popular solely because of their serving as an energy booster.
Boog would have made that play.
I found it interesting to read about his ADHD medication.
I had been under the impression that his big-league success was due solely to mechanical adjustments. As you say, people have their reasons for oversimplifying the story.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I'm sure the meds had some role to play...
…but the mechanical changes were very important.
Boog would have made that play.
What irritates me some
Is that the story is being cleaned up, and some important things are getting glossed over. For instance, Torres still struggles with side effects of his meds.
One of the side effects is insomnia, and Torres had a huge problem with insomnia in 2011. When the Giants came through in May of 2011, Torres and I talked a lot. One thing that eventually came up with that he wasn’t sleeping well; he generally didn’t get to sleep until 5AM or 6AM. I figured that was due to the MLB lifestyle (many of my texts from him come in the middle of the night), but I eventually realized that that wasn’t it. I may have helped understand that what he was dealing with in 2011 were side effects, but by then it was too late to save his season.
Boog would have made that play.
i think he might not appreciate
this information being shared
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
if nothing else
this feels like a bridge being burned. ouch.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
The talk of greenies in baseball always makes me think of Doc Ellis's interview
About his no hitter while tripping on acid
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 10:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but we give it to children
it must be OK!
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
He'd have to get a waiver from MLB for ADHD medication.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Good thing we got rid of Luhnow
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 29, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I was just reading
at BP article about “new” GMs…
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Apparently Mozeliak thinks Skip Schumaker is the next Nick Punto
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Dammit mo
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 5:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Explains why he purchassed an industrial-strength shredder for Christmas for Skip
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
I can do that too!
Pete Kosma is a much worse SS than Nomar Garciaparra.
See how easy it is?
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's not actually a crazy comparison to make.
Another example: “Compared to Nomar Garciaparra, Pete Kozma is a bad shortstop.”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Quote:
We did that by starting off today by taking a young shortstop (Pete Kozma) who has the tools to play shortstop. He’s a good runner. He’s a good fielder. He’s got good hands. He’s got a good arm. And most importantly for us – he can hit. He doesn’t have a lot of power right now, but neither did a lot of power-hitting shortstops until they got further into the minors. Our scouts compare him to Nomar Garciaparra, a guy who developed power a little bit later.
- Jeff Luhnow, 2007
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
maybe he means the Nomar from the second half of his career.
You know, the one who played for the Cubs, Dodgers and Athletics
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
yeah!
that Jeff Luhnow is a smart dude.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Maybe Mo can swap him to the 'Stros for Wallace . . .
Adultery is the application of democracy to love.
H. L. Mencken
The obvious answer is to give Kozma PEDs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
So that was directly after he was drafted, and that's what his scouts said about him
Are you guys really taking that seriously?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't fit any narrative
scouts do player comps all of the time.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think this says more about how ridiculous it is to compare 18 year old high schoolers
to former All-Stars than anything else. His TOOLS reminded people of Nomar (big, good range, soft hands, cannon arm) but his SKILLS haven’t come anywhere close to that level at this point.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
And we expect him to turn the Astros around
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dah
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Extrapolating from this progression
it looks to me like in several years Matt Carpenter will have the world’s biggest smile, and will be hugged by several Mark McGwires at all times. Sounds like an excellent clubhouse presence to me.
Should we campaign to bring the frosted tips back?
I mean, he’s one earring away from being in a bad boy band in that first picture.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
The 2nd picture does not answer one important question
“Maybe he’s born with it, maybe it’s Maybelline?”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Frosted tips and a half-shirt.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hm, I like where this is going...
He already takes lots of walks. Now he just needs to get more upper-cutty with his swing.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Or Corey Haim
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not enough DAR
cut him
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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what do the Daughters of the American Revolution have to do with it?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
So much more than you know.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I'm starting to smell another National Treasure movie.....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
look all i'm saying is that if we're going to have allen craig, tyler greene, and kyle mcclellan on this team
we can’t afford to kick out the best looking guy we have
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Nobody is trying to kick Jaime out.
Why would you infer such a thing?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
No she's talking about Freese
WHY ARE THEY KICKING OUT FREESE?!
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
azru was implying i'm biased against mcarp because he would take freese's spot
i don’t care where the guy plays, he’s patently unattractive
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
She should have said Freese, then,
instead of the best looking guy we have. Which is totally Jaime. And I will knife fight anyone who says differently.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
would you knife fight spants?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Of course.
Particularly since she seems to have deserted. I treat deserters like the French Foreign Legion treats deserters.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well prepare to be knife fighted
En guard!
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks a bunch, jack.
I just tried to stab my computer screen.
This is shaping up to be a very bad day.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I once punched my computer screen
It ain’t slow-loading anymore.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
amateur
it’s Carp
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78
by d-dee on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i agree actually
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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well that's just, like, your opinion, man
but also: no, no he’s not.
i have an urge to create tiers of best looking cardinals
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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sorry, the "man" is part of the quote
we will have to agree to disagree
clemsongirl thought colby rasmus was the best looking guy on the team. i thought he looked like he got kicked in the face as a child. to each their own.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Spants doesn't like Freese either
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I like Freese just fine.
He is simply not as attractive as Waino.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
its definitely a preference
freese and waino are the all-american look; jaime is mysterious and brooding
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
My top 4
Waino
Jaime
Carp
Freese
In that order.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
welp rb is going to knife fight you now
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Hey!
Stop scheduling knife fights for me! I have a very busy schedule, and don’t want other people making promises I can’t keep!
I will get to my various streetfighting appointments when I can, alright?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this reminds me of the 1993 Three Musketeers
where D’Artagnan is set to duel each of Athos, Porthos, and Aramis in succession.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Reminds of the 1844 Three Musketeers
where D’Artagnan is set to duel each of Athos, Porthos, and Aramis in succession.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
It's been too long since I read the book.
I thought that was just in the movie.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
They made a book of the Three Musketeers?
Was it as good as the movie?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
It sucked.
At least with the movie you’re in and out in a couple of hours. Took way longer to read the book.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
The book couldn't capture the intricacies, imagery, and plot twists w/o being too long then
Who played Constance de Bonacieux in the book, Julie Delpy or Raquel Welch?
mmmmmmmmmmmmm Raquel Welch wearing a plunging neckline … if not Raquel the movie must definitely be better
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
I've got to vote for Raquel.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
hotness defined
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm actually reading the unabridged
Count of Monte Cristo right now. Waaaaaayyyyy too fucking long. He gets betrayed, goes to prison, escapes, gets the treasure, transforms into the Count….and there are still 1200 pages left. That Dumas was one wordy son of a bitch
my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red
Yeah he was a real Dumas
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
yes, yes he was.
I’ve read the abridged version. Never wanted to tackle the unabridged.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I picked up the abridged version in an airport once
and was enraged. It left out major pieces of the plot and was totally incomprehensible.
And, yes, Dumas was wordy: he wrote for serialization and got paid by the page.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Oh man
I had to read that book for summer reading going into seventh grade. We bough the unabridged and I about shit myself at how long it was. I barely finished the abridged version.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Man those books are so fun
I’ve read the first two, and someday I will read the rest. Apparently Spanish red wine huge in France back then (or maybe Athos just had a thing for when it was constantly getting drunk).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Anyway
I’m pretty sure that the proper analogy of Musketeers to Ninja Turtles goes thusly:
Raphael = Athos
They’re both broody but the most awesome of the bunch in some ways.
Michelangelo = Porthos
Fun-loving and a little superficial, they provide comic relief.
Donatello = Aramis
They are both “learned geeky types”, Donatello being a science nerd and Aramis with his devotion to the clergy.
Leonardo = D’Artagnan
Not the most interesting of the bunch, but the all-around guy who is the natural leader.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I now have a beginner's knowledge of the 3 Musketeers.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Turtles are a lot like the Musketeers
The key differences are: the Musketeers drink wine instead of eat pizza, they all have mistresses, and they are all French.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I bet the Musketeers don't have any shirts as hilarious as this:
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wise man say:
“Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza.”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
(French instead of Italian, obvs)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I think you've got the beginnings of an MA Thesis in Lit/Crit there
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
I think pretty much any small enough group of adventurers in literature
can be paralleled to the Turtles. The Iliadic heroes work OK as well, but I think I’ve already talked about that on VEB.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
That's for the PhD dissertation
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
So what you're saying is that I should start applying for grad school now
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Beats working for a living
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
Seriously though
Like Star Wars, the Turtles are such nice and easy archetypes that it’s not too hard to come up with these parallels. It’s kind of a Joseph Campbell thing, I guess.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Oh, yeah, you'll have to get Campbell in there,
in the survey of literature, along with Jung and Stith Thomson and Lord Raglan and Georges Dumezil
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
and Carlos Beltran.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
where does beltran fit in
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i think he's more attractive than jaime
(please don’t kill me RB)
but none of them really turn me on. except maybe carp in a suit.
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Carp in nothing would turn me on more.
The guy oozes testosterone out of every pore.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
...

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Can your man smile like this while ............wearing a gray suit with an open collar?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
that's because they're piercing your soul
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Could be...
“Look into my eyes, bobo… I’ve been worth 60+ fWAR already and I’m not even 35 yet. Your mind says fringe hall-of-famer, but your heart says first ballot!”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
this
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
because they're piercing your soul?
ha give me some IHB
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
o/
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
\o
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Thanks IHB, recently I was left hanging for like 3 days before VBheck saved me
props to you and VBheck!
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
you know I love you gdm
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
gdm I will never break your heart so if a post I make seems
like a smartass comment go ahead and know that it was meant in the light hearted manner in which it will have been intended
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
i just can't take that chance
i’ve loved too often & heard the same thing. and what happened? my heart got broken each & every time
Balls
o/
ahhhhhh c’mon over here
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
that's cold
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
unless you're a girl then all bets are off
and so are my pants
Balls
by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you are still leaving me hanging?
wait what did you say! hahahahaha
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even wanna know.....
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
In the
Cindy Crawford subcategory.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Holliday would be 5 on my list
He would be higher if he had hair.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Holliday is just a massive marble slab of manliness
If I were a woman (or otherwise attracted to men) I’m pretty sure I’d have dreams about posing with him on the cover of a trashy romance novel.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
posts like this will not help your tranny confusion
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
i will add hollidome
need one more
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Someone should do a fanpost where we can vote
on the Sweet 16 of the best looking Cardinals.
I would do it, but you know – #LazyHootie
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
i can do it
should it be the top 16 of all time? (well, maybe since like 1990)
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hell, if you went back to 1990, you could probably expand it to 64
Round 1 would be Waino (1) vs Willie McGee (16)
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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that is too much work.
how can i seed these guys? that is too subjective. i have to list the first 16 in no particular order, then seed them out after that, i think.
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I always thought Dirty Dan was rougedly handsome...
but I’m a man… so… (runs away)
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
And he does this thing when he's in the batters box where he...
uhh… nevermind… (runs away again)
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
rougedly?
so, he’s reddish?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
rugged? I lost the 5th grade spelling bee on scary...
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
you'll need some objective 3rd party to rank them.
do you know any girls who don’t like baseball and/or don’t follow the cardinals?
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
yeah but since they don't like baseball
they are not going to want to do this
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they don't want to sit around and talk about how hot guys are?
I don’t understand women.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
they're in their 30s
they have other things to do
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I wonder if my girlfriend would do it.
she loves talking about the hott Cardinals players.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
this is taking forever
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I don't think it really matters
just make sure you have these guys in different brackets
Waino
Jaime
Carp
Freese
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
well i am posting a picture for each dude
and i only have 11 players total right now
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you better say Dirty Dan
or me and pattimagee will be disappointed.
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...
jefferies
edmonds
rolen
zeile
mabry
waino
carp
matheny
jaime
freese
beltran
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edmonds??
my god, I always felt bad for him cause of how ugly he is. Then again I’m a dude and I go soley by looks.
Then again Freese is so St. Charles frat boy. I totally see him hanging out at Tony’s on Top.
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"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
jim edmonds was voted hottest male athlete in playgirl one year
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everytime some chick
says a dude is “hot” just because they’re good at sports I always think of Tosh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2TRIVA7Tc&feature=player_embedded
Granted girls are wired for it so it’s stupider when guys do it.
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"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
tosh is so stupid
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I have so much hate for that guy, it surprises me every time I see him.
by purple_haze on Dec 29, 2011 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
haha i love him
but then, i’m kind of a jerk
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Oooh, Matheny v. Waino is going to be a tough choice for me.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Add these guys
Molina
Holliday
Boog
Descalso
Steve Kline
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i'll add yadi
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My wife says add Vina
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Laird!
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
you are just BEGGING me to post the TLR shingles pic...
then i will be flagged!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
you should be flagged just for thinking about that picture again
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
it will never leave my psyche
i am almost convinced that it is burned into my frontal lobe.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
TG does a look a little on the mad side

and when I say mad, I mean in the Rasputin sense. Also, he needs to get rid of the caterpillar on his chin.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can see this actually, the photoshop guys in the basement could really do something here if he warrents it with decent play this year
Nah clothes are baggy and stretchy doesn’t fit the profile of ripping out of his purple pants
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
it's early yet, in the rage cycle.
ask him again, after matheny had double switched him for a Double Dose of left-handed 3Bman, at SS.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
heh
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
They already did
Laird is going back to the Tigers.
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Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
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by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
So Miller 94 and Lynn 93 ERA+
And Loshe at 86 and Westy at 83. 2013 can’t get here soon enough.
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Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I know Westy is getting lambasted for last year
But I am hoping he has a turn around, since it is highly unlikely he is dealt. I am not suggesting that he will return to his 4.5 and 3.9 WAR seasons, but I think he will drop his BB/9. His GB% was still at 59% last year, so better MIF D will definitely help him (I am too lazy to compare his pre-happy flight vs. his post-happy flights stats from last year).
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Shoot, if he can return to his 2.3 WAR days, I'd be cool with that.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Yeah, I think it's not unreasonable to hope for average value from Westbrook in 2012.
He should have better infield defense which will play well since his pitching style appeals to the demos. It seems like the projections available right now predict one and a half or so WAR with something like 160-is innings pitched. Hopefully some improved defense and bounce-back in his peripheral stats can get him closer to 2 WAR.
Furthermore, Lohse should be average.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Also his innings per start took a hit in 2011
Maybe they can rebound
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Defense doesn't (shouldn't) effect WAR
I suppose being a groundball pitcher is more valuable on a team with great defense. But the infield defense will be about average this year at any rate, so Westbrook’s extreme groundballiness isn’t a special advantage.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
But I forgot that the measures used in WAR wouldn't take that into account
At least in fWAR. (I assume that’s what you mean)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Well in theory, bWAR shouldn't be effected by defense either
Because it adjusts each pitchers’ RA by the overall quality of team defense. Obviously, that’s not how it works in real life, because defense isn’t static across pitchers, but in projections its fair.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know that about bWAR
Cool beans!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I've been trying to put some data together
Maybe do a FanPost someday, checking out a hypothesis linking WB’s performance to the MIF behind him.
However, when I look at his lines from 2010 now (i.e. with Boog), I’mstarting to wonder why we signed him in the first place?
Cards fan in Middle East
He was excellent for the Cardinals in 2010.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I remember that, but
His lines (at least off of FanGraphs) really don’t look impressive.
And we lost most of his starts.
Cards fan in Middle East
Westbrook is not an impressive pitcher except for his GB rate.
He’s been pretty consistently above average throughout his career with a few really good years at his peak. The Cardinals paid him to be about a 2.0-WAR pitcher, which is right in line with his being above average. The problem is that the pitching was good again in the NL this year and Westbrook was only about average.
Westbrook’s 2010 FIP was 4.22 and his ERA was 4.22. His FIP- was 105 and his ERA- was also 105.
Westbrook’s 2011 FIP was 4.25 and his ERA was 4.65. His FIP- was 114 and his ERA- was 126.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
*eyes cloud over*
I’m just a poor noob! Have some mercy with those metrics!
Cards fan in Middle East
Fielding Independent Pitching is a metric that attempts to measure a pitcher's individual performance.
This is his performance independent of defense. The lower the FIP, the better—like with ERA. FIP is more predictive of future ERA than ERA is of future ERA. Westbrook’s FIP from 2010 to 2011 went up by only three points.
FIP- measures a pitcher’s FIP in relationship to the league average FIP. Average is 100. Above 100 means that a player’s FIP is higher than average, which is bad. The lower, the better. Westbrook’s 2010 FIP of 4.22 was good for a FIP- of 105, which is slightly worse than league average. Westbrook’s 2011 FIP of 4.25 (only three points higher than his 2010 FIP) was good for a FIP- of 114, which is quite a bit worse compared to league average than in 2010. Basically, Westbrook treaded water in his performance but the league improved a bit.
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Fucking FIP-
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yeah, it's just annoying
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Westbrook will be fine
But he’s not better than Lynn, and I’d rather give the young guy a shot.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone seems to be forgetting that they are both on contract years
Meaning they’ll perform like we have never seen before so they can get huge contracts this next season with some other team.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't that be nice
Contract year myth working out in our favor.
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...
Over the past nine years, 177 players performing in the last year of a contract hit for a collective .282 batting average, with an .824 OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage, an increasingly used measurement of the moneyball era). They also averaged 19 home runs, 51 extra base hits and 73 runs batted in per 500 at-bats.
That’s not much different from their collective numbers from the previous year: .283 batting average, .821 OPS, 19 homers, 51 extra base hits and 74 RBI. Two years before? A .279 batting average and .809 OPS, with 18 home runs, 50 extra base hits and 73 RBI per 500 at-bats.
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You found the same Forbes article I did, thanks
I’m still digging around for something from Fangraphs.
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Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
try THT
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if that hold true for basketball.
that is where the “Contract Year” seems to make the biggest difference in performance. It seems like there are alot of players coming into contract years weighing 20lbs less.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I have no doubt it would,
as basketball is rigged anyway.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
also, what about the seasons immediately after the contract year?
(i’m at work and don’t have time to read the article…sorry!)
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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I dunno, but I would IMAGINE that they're slightly lower since the players are likely in their 30s already and declining
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Well the next problem with that
Most guys playing in their “contract year” have been playing on single year arbitration contracts too which is basically the same thing. You’d have to do multi-year contracts and compare performance in the last year vs. the prior year, corrected for aging and whatnot.
Not afraid to nitpick
What about pitchers though?
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'd imagine it depends on the guy mostly
Subjectively I think it must exist, you put that big of a motivator out there and some people are going to change…..but it’s going to be impossible to really predict. Some guys will bust ass and get in better shape. Some guys will unnecessarily change their workout routine or in some other way let the pressure affect them.
And it can work both ways sometimes e.g. a guy playing hurt to try to show that he’s durable but his performance suffers.
Not afraid to nitpick
some guys respond positively to that pressure and other guys respond negatively
same effect as “clutch”
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
That's a lot a bit different IMO
The big, big difference being that contract year guys have 5 months in which they can dramatically change their preparation. Lose 20 pounds, gain 20 pounds, spend 2 months in the batting cage instead of the beach—-whatever, and those dramatic changes can be great OR ill-advised (I shouldn’t have used the word pressure). Losing weight makes a guy quicker/he loses his power, working out harder makes you better/burns you out.
There are legitimate dichotomies any time you change your routine. On top of that, you have no idea who is making those changes, making the measurement in aggregate impossible. Pujols the gym rat super-player I doubt changed much vs. a lazy guy can finally come in shape at the beginning of the year. It just makes measuring the aggregate pretty hard. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t consider a “breakout” year in a contract year a little (emphasized!) more suspect, more than just regression to the mean. You’d have to wonder if the guy was doing something different work-ethic wise.
There are no such dramatic changes with “clutch”. Is hitting in the 9th inning really that much different than hitting in the 8th? vs. the 7th? (Rhetorical, the answer is no [ignoring closer quality]) Better hitters are better hitters, there’s no reason to make it more complicated than that. There’s no real reason to doubt the aggregate data that has repeatedly shown the predictability of it to be non-existent.
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by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at how well it turned out for Albert
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Respect =Benjamin
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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of.
The power was there but the plate discipline wasn’t
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Actually his LDs seemed to vanish entirely this year
Which reduced all of his XBH’s, and probably led to the ungodly number of GIDPs.
Cards fan in Middle East
He had his worst SLG and 2nd worst ISO of his career in 2011
The power was definitely there relative to other players, but was low by Pujolsian standards.
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Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Can you filter that by just the second half?
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B-ref has it
Here.
SLG first half: .500
SLG second half: .584
So it definitely got better, but not stunningly so. .584 SLG is still lower than his yearly numbers in 2008, 2009, or 2010. And with just looking at half a season, we get into small sample issues.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
league average offense was also hugely down from where it was most of his career
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fair point
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
By wRC+
2011 was tied with 2002 for Pujols worst year, at 148. In 2007 it as at 151, and then the rest of his seasons are ridiculous.
His 2011 BABIP was also by far the worst of his career.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
You mean this contract year?

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Please keep putting up graphs like this
When my boss walks by my office, it will appear more like I am analyzing graphs than reading a blog.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty glad we don't have him for 10 years, you guys
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
We soooooooo dodged a bullet
In a perfect world he retires a Cardinal. In the world in which we live, no way that works out well.
Something that I have been thinking about recently, do you think to the average fan in the long run-say 15-30 years from now-Pujols will be thought of more fondly leaving as he did, rather than the ‘hypothetical’ scenario where he is a total albatross that sunk the team’s chances for 5 years, with Cardinal fans watching him trot out there for years, a shell of his former self, for 80-120 starts from age 37-41? Makes some assumptions probably not everybody agrees with I suppose. Certainly could turn out differently, but I’m not sure where I come down on that.
I think it depends on how quickly he slides
into that 80-120 games/year, 100 OPS+, 3 WAR player.
I would have loved to see him retire as a Cardinal, but, realistically, we’ve got a much better chance at having a strong team in the late 2010’s without spending $20M+ each year on a (likely) average 1B. I’m pretty certain, however, that the general Cards fan will look back, 10-15 years from now, and recognize him as a great player, vital cog in three WS trips, etc., etc., but he’ll never get the recognition that a Brock, Ozzie, or Gibby get now (not to mention, obviously, Musial).
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
There are definitely some exciting prospects in the Cardinals pipeline
and some pretty exciting no-longer-prospects. I hope the Craigen can recover from his injury and build on his promising 2011. I am also really excited for Tyler Greene to get a fair shake. I’ve never been sold on him, but I admit that he’s never had much opportunity to show his true talent.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Last year, he hit poorly in the big leagues but still a better offensive player than Theriot and Schumaker.
He also destroyed the Pacific Coast League last season. His wOBA+ was 123. That’s terrifici—especially so for a middle infielder. I don’t think he’ll post a 123 wOBA+ for the Cardinals in 2012. He probably won’t come close. But the Cardinals need to find out what exactly he can do.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He did put up great numbers in the PCL
But seems that a lot of people blame his poor performance in the bigs on Tony. I just don’t get why some players’ (Greene and Rasmus) poor performance got blamed partially on Tony. Again, hope i’m wrong!
Why don't a lot of people blame Skip's poor performance last year on LaRussa?
Skip’s offensive and defensive year was worse than Greene’s, after all.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think it might have something to do with:
“You think Skip Schumaker isn’t gonna hit .300!?”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
does anyone have a transcprit of that press conference
I know he said Freese and Albert… But that thing turned into such a meme I’m not sure he didn’t say stuff like…
“you think Dave McKay isn’t going to give out shoulder rubs?” or “You think skip schumaker isn’t going to dive into first?” and finally “you think Carpenter isn’t going to not give a fuck?”
Grit != flat out sucking.
"You think I'm not going to miss time with what appears to be an alien fungus growing on my face?"
“You think Albert’s not going to fuse his arm bones with sheer force of will?”
People thought he was just talking crazy, but the man was in a prophetic fugue state.
You don't think you just gave me an excuse to post this picture?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I could go a while without seeing that again.
nassy
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see why tony should get the blame for either of thier poor performance.
Grit != flat out sucking.
I really don't either.
These narratives are bogus, IMO. I just find it interesting that there is a notion that “Tyler Greene can’t hit in the major leagues” but that his offense last year was basically the same as Skip’s (Tyler: wRC+ 90, Skip: 89). (And even this ignores that Greene is a capable defensive player and Skip is not.)
I just think it is interesting that there these narratives about Greene – TLR put pressure on him that he couldn’t handle, AAAA player, etc. to explain his “poor performance” — but we don’t hear the same narratives to explain Skip’s equally poor performance.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
skipperdoodle performed to his physical limits
most see tg as not doing so
and ask why???
because tlr, what’s not to understand?
TLR is gone, long live the king
I don't think they're bogus at all actually
specifically in Greene’s case: He has the tools and skills to be better than any player we started at 2B last season and in limited time, he hit and fielded better than anyone that we put at that position for any length of time in 2011 as well. So, why is he down at Memphis destroying the PCL at will while we’re starting the Descalso/Schumaker/Theriot pu-pu platter in St. Louis?
There’s only two individuals to point fingers at: Mozeliak and La Russa. And considering how much Mo was publicly in Greene’s corner last offseason and this offseason, it’s awful hard to point the finger at him. So that leaves Tony. Greene is a bit spastic and makes some boneheaded plays. He also strikes out a lot. I can’t think of two worse attributes for a player fighting for playing time on a La Russa led club.
Question Answered: Not Pujols. Not Luhnow either. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MY TEAM?!?!?!
and "La Russa" suspiciously retired
just a few months after trading well-known Larussa spy and international Rasmus aways for kittles and bits. HMMMMMMMM.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
I don't blame Greene's ML on Tony
He was still better than Theriot and Schumaker.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Stavinoha hit in the minors too...
Now, I don’t think TG will be as bad as the Stav infection or anything…just sayin’
Albert Pujols also hit in the minors
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I know...
I’m just being captain obvious and saying that a lot more guys hit at AAA than do at the MLB level. It’s the same with AA vs. AAA and A+ vs. AA and so on.
Yeah, no one thinks Greene is going to hit particuarily well in the majors
But ZIPS projects a .308 wOBA next year when you include SB/CS, and that’s a very good mark for a + defensive shortstop.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I hope they are right for sure.
I was excited about his speed and defense last year – especially after watching The Riot in the field…but it just never materialized completely.
Did he?
Last year, while idiot Al H. was prattling on about the injustice of Stav not being called up while amassing 109 RBis in the PCL, Stav was actually a below average hitter in AAA.
Stav’s wRC+ last year was 97. That was 145th in just the PCL among those with 150 PAs and seventh just among Redbirds, behind Tyler Greene (155 wRC+), Mark Hamilton, Matt Carpenter, Andrew Brown, Shane Robinson, and Aaron Luna.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
We have to remember...
…that he is basically in his prime age wise, at some point soon he will start to decline. The Cardinals to this point have not appeared to consider him a long-term solution to any problem and now age has caught up with him to the point where he cannot be a long term solution.
I probably is to the point where it is in the teams best interest to play him in situations (platoon splits and against weaker pitchers) to maximize his value for a trade.
by BigJawnMize on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Tyler Greene is entering his age 28 season.
David Freese is entering his age 29 season. In your opinion, is Freese a long-term solution at third base?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No
Outside of Freese’s local hero angle he is expendable. I would consider him a prime prospect to be traded from the major league roster, he is blocking younger players of similar talent.
I honestly don't care if Tyler Greene is a "long-term solution."
I care that he performs well this year, and maybe next, as a starting or platoon option at 2B or as SS if Furcal gets injured.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
uh...
…yeah. That would be exactly what I was saying. They need to play him to max his value and then trade him.
for what it is worth
This morning I was reading over yesterday’s late thread and noticed
there was a lot of discussion about signing Roy Oswalt and I would
like to see this. He could have something left in the tank.
I have always liked Oswalt and he has always reminded me of Robin
Roberts. They are the exact same size, same build and if you were to
watch video of them, you could hardly tell the difference.
Yet Roberts is a HOF’er that was a workhorse that pitched over 300
innings a season for 6 years in a row and had a career that almost span
20 years and was extremely over worked for most of it.The Phillies
pitched him to death.
Roberts pitched in the days when teams used a four man rotation and
it seems to me that pitchers lasted just as long. Do teams coddle pitchers
too much now and is four days rest really necessary or have pitchers
just become accustomed to it. And now pitchers like Oswalt and Roberts
are considered to be too small when there was a time when pitchers over 6 ft
4 were often looked at as being too big.
Anyway here are 2 links, first one is Oswalt and the 2nd one is Roberts. I
invite you to give a long study of what Roberts did, you will be astounded
at his record, Only Warren Spahn record compares to the amount of innings
pitched,
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oswalro01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/roberro01.shtml
Did Roberts have a nagging back problem that drove down his IP totals?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No he didn't bgh
and I thought about that and that is definitely and issue. You would have to explore just how serious it is before signing him.
I agree.
I wasn’t sure of Roberts’s injury history. I assumed Roberts had to be relatively healthy because of his longevity but wasn’t sure.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Interesting stuff, and a player I really didn't know anything about
Thanks!
Things that jump out to me about Roberts: amazing that he led the league in innings pitches so many times while also leading in K/BB and walking so few batters. At first I thought he must have been a groundball specialist par excellence, since his strikeout rates seems pretty low to me (they remind me of Kyle Lohse and Westbrook). But then I checked the yearly averages on Fangraphs and realized just how few strikeouts there were back then compared to today. So he actually struck a lot of guys out relative to his peers. So, relative to the years in which he pitched, his profile looks a lot more similar to Oswalt than I thought at first.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
It's ,like I said
They look a lot alike, almost the same pitches, mechanics etc. It was just that Robert could pitch and would pitch with a lot of aches and pains and the Phillies especially rode that. If he gave up four or five runs, they would take him out, they would get at least 7 or 8 out of him and hope for a comeback. That strategy is not used much today.
interesting fact
Frank Lane Card ,GM in 1955, got involved in trade talks with the Phillies on trading Stan Musial for Robin Roberts. When word got out it caused an uproar in St. Louis and Gus Busch put a stop to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lane
Guess this is a good place to talk about
finally having a conversation with pet prospect Jeremy Patton. He told me he is a NRI to spring training, which I didn’t expect to hear. He also offered information about who he hears from in the organization (mostly the scout that recommended drafting him, but sometimes John Vuch, and Luhnow before he left).
Also, it was cute how he thought he had to explain the 40 man to me.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Looks interesting
The BB/K number jumps out. Reminds me of Kolten Wong’s batting stats, only with a lower BA/BABIP and a little less power.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
(Also at a lower level and obviously not as good all-around)
But now I will remember his name and look out for daily box score references at Future Redbirds.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
If azru is interested
I’d see if he would be willing to do an interview either for here or FR. He’s a pretty laid back kid, so I think he’d be up for it. I
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think you have to go through the organization for this sort of stuff
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
well have your people approve it then
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
The organization prefers that and they're extrremely helpful in setting it up.
Not all of the kids are diligent about returning calls though.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I knew I had seen a tweet or something from you about prospects not being punctual
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i must have missed this story
why is he your pet prospect
and HOW DO I GET IN TOUCH WITH THE ROSENTRAIN?>?!?!?!?!?!?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
when my wife got pregnant
she stepped down as volleyball coach at the high school she teaches at. The girl they hired to replace her is Patton’s girlfriend. He has been substitute teaching at the school during the offseason. We’ve crossed paths a few times, most recently at a high school basketball tournament. This was the first time I’ve actually gotten to talk to him. Usually the old parents are hanging all over him trying to score some brownie points for their daughters.
So, basically have your wife quit her job and have Rosenthal’s girlfriend/SO take her place.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
my wife is currently a stay at home mom
that could be….awkward
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
i should clarify
my wife is a professional photographer who has significantly cut back on the amount she works to stay with our son
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Does your wife read this blog?
Because the two-step you just did to clarify makes me think she does.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
It's pretty clear mine doesn't
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
very clear
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
haha...no
just wanted to get it right
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Patton is the kid who went to Jeffco for awhile, right?
Plays third, a little second, isn’t big but sure can hit?
I really wish I had known he was some kind of player when he was playing for Jeffco. That’s literally four minutes from my parents’ house.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I know he went to FIU, but I don't know about JeffCo
his hometown is listed as Harviell, MO, which isn’t even really a town. Assuming I get another chance to talk to him before he reports I’ll ask what that’s about.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he attended
the alma mater of Mark Buerhle before he transferred down to Fla International.
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone been to the BBWAA dinner that is coming up in January?
I’m curious about what to expect.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
No, I havent been but it should be fun
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Ive been - it was great
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Awesome, thanks for all the responses people
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Off Season
it’s been known to affect fans in the most peculiar ways…
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
#lazyprophetjohn.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Some fun/interesting items from non-Cardinals ZiPS projections
Rockies
- Troy Tulowitzki projects as their best offensive player with a 126 OPS+. He is a SS.
- Todd Helton is looking at a .267/.356/.402 line for a 93 OPS+. He is a 1B.
Braves
- Craig Kimbrel’s ERA+ is projected at 177.
- Chipper Jones, at age 40, projects for a .260/.343/.438 110 OPS+.
Astros
- The Astros have two players that project to be better than league average. Both are corner outfielders.
Dodgers
- Matt Kemp can hit for power projected with a .223 ISO but with a good, not great .348 OBP.
- Vicente Padilla still projects as a league average-ish starter.
- Hong-Chih Kuo (lefty) is listed with a 112 ERA+ and 47 strikeouts in 40 innings. (We signed J.C. Romero.)
Twins
- 7 of the top 8 hitters for the Twins are either left handed or switch hitters.
- Deolis Guerra, centerpiece of the Johan Santana trade in 2008, projects for a 6.96 ERA at age 23.
Giants
- Andres Torres projects for a .235/.311/.394 line.
- You can stick a fork in Bill Hall’s .219/.274/.363 line.
Mariners #6org
- Franklin Guitierrez projects for a .248/.299/.358 line.
- Nick Franklin, who got most of the playing time in the AFL over Ryan Jackson, projects for a 74 OPS+ at age 21.
- The Mariners rotation is terrible. Two above average starters and tons of crap.
Angels
- Mike Trout projects as a top 3 offensive player. Age: 20
- The Angels REALLY needed Albert Pujols in their lineup.
- Vernon Wells projects for a .255/.298/.422 95 OPS+.
White Sox
- Adam Dunn looking at 184 strikeouts in 450 ABs.
Tigers
- Miguel Cabrera is still pretty good: .310/.406/548. 43.7 Career WAR – how many more years does he need to play to be a HOF? Number 1 comp: Manny Ramirez.
- Rick Porcello projects better than Kyle Lohse or Jake Westbrook with a 4.57 ERA 93 ERA+. Yes, still a little bitter.
Mets
- R.A. Dickey is the second best starter on the team.
- Someone should dig up some old Jason Bay threads and see who advocated for him over Holliday. Projection: .249/.344/.419
Phillies
- Ryan Howard’s contract extension starts soon right? .
- Cliff Lee = Roy Halladay = Really Good
- Roy Oswalt has a 108 ERA+ projection with nearly a 3:1 K:BB rate.
(I got distracted at work and got bored with this. Skipping Cubs, Red Sox & Yankees. Deal with it.)
Former Cardinals (Not comprehensive)
- Joe Mather: .245/.298/.357; 73 OPS+
- Brett Wallace: .258/.322/.403; 97 OPS+
- Nick Stavinoha: .248/.289/.411; 89 OPS+
- Adam Kennedy: .258/.307/.362; 83 OPS+
- Alex Castellanos: .239/.292/.389; 85 OPS+
- Aaron Miles: .260/.297/.328; 71 OPS+
- Blake Hawksworth: 4.19 ERA; 90 ERA+
- Mike MacDougal: 4.29 ERA; 88 ERA+
- Mark DeRosa: .244/.300/.277; 59 OPS+
- Brendan Ryan: .245/.302/.322; 75 OPS+
- Terry Evans: .219/.264/.346 62 OPS+
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Helton was also the oldest everyday first baseman in 2011 at age 37.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that's exactly what I thought and I'm creeping their fangraph pages as we speak.
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
that was a reply fail to chipper jones.
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Holy shit Chipper Jones.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
yeah, I put him in with Berkman and Beltran as guys who are holy shit good and won't ever decline to the floor
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Also a good comparison for Pujols aging
He’s aged about as well as humanly possible and he’s still been <3 WAR the last 3 seasons….and you’d have to pay him for the next two years to get through the age 41 season. Not nearly as good as Pujols to start, but basically the good-case scenario is eating 4 years on that contract.
Not afraid to nitpick
boy that Wallace for Holliday trade is looking better and better every day.
Grit != flat out sucking.
but he still "looks" like a ball player.
:D
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
technically, he looks like a walrus.
But he’s sensitive about that, so we had to change his nickname. Though I have no idea what we changed it to.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
Non-starter?
Not-good-enough-start-on-the-worst-team-in-the-league’s-roster? A-bag-of-balls?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
I refuse to acknowledge that I was wrong about Wallace.
I’ll patiently wait for his breakout year.
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter
yeah, we really did a lot in 09
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Felix Hernandez is only above average? Where the fuck have I been?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
can i get a link to the angels zips
or just what trout’s projections are?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
TY
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
damn, he's a hell of a prospect
anyone know what FR means in the defensive projections?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Hmmm
Fair…would that be above or below average
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thanks
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Fringe sounds much cooler and means the same thing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Fringe I think
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I was hoping it was "fuckin rancid"
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Future Redbird, of course
they know something we don’t
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Vomit
Do you know how many prospects I’d need to brush up on if that were the case?
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I didn't look at the link
and assumed he was talking about Trout. You’d have more time for prospecting if you’d stop wasting your time reading all those books.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That Stavinoha projection is way too high
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
that is his projection in Japan
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
nothing kills an appetite like seeing a catheter commercial while you're eating lunch
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions
except maybe this!

TWO TIMES IN ONE THREAD!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
next time i see this i'm flagging it
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Keith Law to Houston?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
His lips were all over Luhnow's backside when he got hired...
honestly, the job Law currently has is ideal for him.
Sign Roy O
that link brings you back to this post
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
thatsthejoke.jpg?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
don't do it Luhnow!
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Probably Cox with the bat
But with Wong’s ability to stick at 2B vs 3B. Wong will probably end up being more valuable
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
So Cox is swinging a bigger stick?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
let's not get racist in here
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sight unseen, I'm pretty sure Cox's, ahem, projection, is going to top Wong's.
You know, because Wong is Asian.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Are Hawaiians considered Asian?
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
one my todo list I label them as Pac-Islanders.
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Man, the BCS system is so complicated!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean, long term?
Who’s got better wood?
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's not the length of the term
it’s what they do with it!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
wait... am i allowed to give a serious answer?
i like Wong because I think he can get on base more. Power/average-wise, they’re about equal.
I mean… Dicks.
Penises.
by purple_haze on Dec 29, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Fangraphs:
Worst Defenders Since 2002 by UZR/150
It makes me sad to see Ken Griffey, Jr. on this list.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
Braves, Rays, Mets Interested In Ryan Theriot
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
The managers are all too young for Theriot to drive to retirement
I say the Reds pick him up
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This makes me feel good - sorry if already linked
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
Wainwright:
“They want me to test it. That (ligament) is stronger than the day I was born. It’s double tight. I think at some point you just have to let go of the reins and just pitch.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Looks like they really want to trade Adam Jones
"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson
actually looks like the M's fans just want him back.
Not sure why the #6 org in baseball would risk trading with the Orioles, again. Yikes. But if we picked him up, I’d like to see him moved to 2B, which is what should have happened in the first place, rather than trying to teach an SS to play CF.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
I have no clue what the Orioles have that we need
Outside of Wieters
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nice post
I prefer baseballprospectus prediction of 3 WAR for Carpenter – last year!!! Really we look pretty well “backed up” depth chart wise.
Good depth
1B – Craig/Adams/Hamilton
3B – Carpenter/Craig/Cox
OF – Berkman/Craig/Chambers/Rule5/Carpenter
SP – Miller/Lynn/McClellan/Scrabble/Cleto/Dickson
RP – Sanchez/Reifer/Cleto/Ottavino
OK depth
C – Andersen/Cruz
Bad depth
SS – Greene/Descalso
2B – Schumaker
So basically – we need a MIF? How about the Japanese dude the Yankees signed?
Hamilton is bad deph, Greene is good depth
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Totally OT: BN -- Top ten hitting pitchers
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/29/2668063/top-ten-list-best-hitting-pitchers-of-all-time
Bob Gibson — nowhere to be found.
Have I completely lost my objectivity or is this list flawed?
"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson
Nice to see Al made it 4 sentences before mentioning the Cubs
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
We need a mythical creature to protect us from Yellon

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 29, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I vote for using a satyr or a faun...
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
it's fairly safe that Al lost his objectivity a long time ago.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
.206/.243/.301 career
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
it looks like this list is just OPS-based
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I guess I'm biased by his 1970 season
303/.347/.404 in 124 PA
That and the WS homers
"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson
WOOOOOOOO
Our IF is number 6 in MLB, according to Buster Olney
1.) Rangers 2.) Reds 3.) Yankees 4.) Red Sox 5.) Angels 6.) Cards 7.) Phillies 8.) Rays 9.) Natonals (again!?) 10a.) Royals 10b.) White Sox 10c.) Rockies
Nationals have been on everyone of his top 10 lists so far, are they really that good?
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions
phillips and votto are very good
so it’s not that out there. especially compared to other olney lists…
Don't say hi to me.
I suppose...
They look to be getting very little from two of the four positions. How can that be the second best infield in baseball?
Sign Roy O
Only lists "top 10" though with his 10as and 10bs it's usually 11 or 12
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
On the Reds he says,
Joey Votto is arguably the best hitter in the National League, and he’s a special defensive player as well. Brandon Phillips is the best all-round second baseman, with Gold Glove Awards to show for it.
Third baseman Scott Rolen is a borderline Hall of Fame candidate, and if that sounds crazy, compare his résumé to that of Ron Santo, who will be inducted next summer:
Seasons: Rolen 16, Santo 15
Games: Rolen 1,946, Santo 2,243
Hits: Rolen 2,005, Santo 2,254
Homers: Rolen 308, Santo 342
OPS: Rolen .860, Santo .826
OPS+: Rolen 123, Santo 125
Gold Gloves: Rolen 8, Santo 5
Rolen had shoulder surgery in August to clean out scar tissue, and the word is he is feeling much better and is greatly encouraged by his range of motion.
The significant question about the Reds’ infield is at shortstop, where Zack Cozart is expected to take over in 2012 after a brief audition was cut short by injury.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
problem is
he’s been “feeling much better and is greatly encouraged by his range of motion” since like, mid-2005.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
is this in terms of defense or offense or both?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
Both
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
On us he says
Lance Berkman takes over at first base, Rafael Furcal returns to shortstop, and the Cardinals are hopeful that Daniel Descalso is ready, at age 25, to be an everyday second baseman. This could be the year that David Freese establishes himself as one of the best third basemen in the sport after his breakout October.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else think this is too many years and too much money for him?
OFFICIAL: @WhiteSox, LHP John Danks agree to five-year, $65-million contract. #HotStove
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter
yes
The white sox, ever since they won the world series have been making terrible front office moves.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what do you guys think he is worth?
I must be missing something. I thought he was slightly above average.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Kyle Lohse disagrees.
"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig
by pattimagee on Dec 29, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He's quite a bit above average
5.2, 2.9, 4.3, 3.2 WAR the past 4 years
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
And he's still young
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I didn't think it was a horrible move.
He has been pretty solid.
by mick311 on Dec 29, 2011 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was way too much at first
But yeah, for five years that’s not all that bad for Danks.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
That is a great photo in the post, DanUp
I love that shot…you can see he’s still a) hoping it’s all a dream, and he hasn’t just let go of his bat, and if he just closes his eyes, the bat will still be in his hands, and b) swinging through the pitch, just as though a) was the absolute truth.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions
I in no way want to get political,
but I was thinking about this today. If SOPA / IP protect go through, VEB / SBN will be gone. Posting a simple link, or picture to the site would be enough to shut it down. I’m writing letters to my representatives, although I don’t think it will do any good.
/ end politics.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That is what happens when people that know nothing about the internet
Write laws to control the internet.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it will probably mean that the ability to post pictures and/or links will be removed from sites like SBN.
That being said, the spirit of the websites will be killed.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that sucks.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
bgh...
Does that mean doing this would be disallowed or doing this: www.ajskdfa.com would be disallowed?
don’t click those, it’s random BS
yes
Its really a horrible piece of crap that I hope doesn’t become a law.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 29, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fixed for you
Its really a horrible piece of crap complete bullshit that I hope doesn’t better not become a law.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, all my hope in human reason and ability to think is riding on them passing it or not...
I imagine I will be a very bitter and cynical person as I grow older.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I already wrore my rep about it,
but I hadn’t really thought of the implications for VEB.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
I wrote Rzep about it
but I don’t think he cares.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
if something like that happens
it will be incredibly temporary, and the idiots who voted for it will suddenly become very famous, and also suddenly be removed from public service.
Sometimes democracy (or republicanism) is painful, but it seems to work out in the end, if the rules are observed.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
So I dont know muchabout projections
But looking at this, it’s hard for me to get psyched about the future.. average players and platoon guys? What does it stack up against another clubs prospects?
because TLR
prospects are never projected high
while they are still prospects. Our minor league system, especially the pitchers, is well above average.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
they prospect thing is hard for me to get excited about. I always have a wait and see approach. it took me a few yrs to think that Albert was for real..
Look at Jayson heyward..he came up and the knee jerk was He’s the next_____ i think the jury is still out on him.
because TLR
Jason
Heyward had a down year, but he’s still going to be phenomenal. He is in absolutely elite company having such a great season at age 20.
Outside perspective. Cardinals have a solid system. Probably top 12, which is great when paired with the major league squad.
The system lacks a bit on hitting prospects, especially when it comes to upside. Wong, Cox, and Adams are all solid prospects, but have limited ceilings. The pitching is amazing though. Miller, Martinez, Jenkins, and Rosenthal just drip upside. I like Tilson too.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously biases
But the cards system has to be top 8, right?
We dO have some hitting prospects, they are just in the low minors
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eh
It could be. Top 12 was conservative. I haven’t actually sat down and ranked all the system. I guess top 12 is basically a guarantee.
There are some loaded systems this year though. Definitely ahead of the Cardinals
Blue Jays (unless they keep trading)
Diamondbacks
Rangers
Braves
I think you could make strong arguments for the Mariners and Rays as well.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
At the very least...
the Rays, Jays, Royals, Braves, Padres, A’s, Mariners, and Rangers have to have more talent, right?
Sign Roy O
.260 BABIP
(Of course the breakout rookie year was semi-predicated on a .333 but still) His batted ball profile is crazy though with 55% GB.
Not afraid to nitpick
why can't i preview my fanpost?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
I had this problem the other day
If your pop-up blocker is on, it won’t let you preview
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I couldn't preview a comment just a second ago, doubt they're related though....
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
i turned the pop up blocker off and its still not working!
this DAR fan post took me a long time to make damnit
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
go outside
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine you can afford to heat up the house and pay the gas bill
You did just fleece your grandpa out his life savings, afterall.
"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5
by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Or you could just burn all the rest of your Pujols merchandise
except if you have any of his rookie cards – might want to hold onto those
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Do you have the air conditioning on? Are there clothes in your house that you aren’t wearing, cause you should probably put them on?
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's a long shot but is anyone here a big reader of 21st-century Batman. RIP, Inc, etc?
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:10 PM EST reply actions
I just read "The Black Mirror" and it was pretty good.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Same here, got it for Christmas and really liked it
Which is why I’m now gonna try to catch up with the new stuff, basically just Grant Morrison’s 5 year reign on Detective Comics and Batman and Robin. However, there are so many TPBs I was wondering if anyone had already read them and could possibly give me some pointers on the order they should go.
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda wish I was at the VEB meetup, you guys
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
We'll do a Chicago one if you're willing to drive up (drive up? over? over then up. there we go.)
Oooh, VEB night at a Fire/Sporting game!
The English soccer pub near my place has a shuttle to and from the game. Pay a few bucks over ticket price, and it’s all the PBR you can stand on the way there and back.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I'm talking about the Globe Pub, for you Chicagoans
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Thought Chicagoans were into Old Style was it Stag?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Old Style is more for Cub fans
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
But you're right about a lot of them liking it
PBR has a more blue-collar rep (just like anywhere else I imagine), and the Cubs are decidedly not blue collar.
I’ve yet to see a Stag up here.
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Can you hitch a ride on the Sporting KC team bus or something?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I knew it was one, thought both had been associated with Cubs fans and Wrigley ... also if not blue collar what are they?
And, is your bus filled with Cards fans then since they serve PBR?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Sox fans
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
Sox fans like PBR then?
Haven’t heard any negativity about them, are they cooler than Cubs fans?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
My old man drinks
Steak Tators And Gravy. Not my first choice, but it ain’t that bad
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
I'm permanently scarred by the drive between KC and Chicago. Had to do two overnighters in a 3 day period
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Can you hitch a ride on the Sporting KC team bus or something?
Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?
I don't know... I actually don't know if I'm flying with the team this year or not
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You flew with them? *drools*
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
so, you came out?
to the get together I mean
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I was in such a rush and my make-up was all wrong
They were all too polite to say anything though.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
How many Fritz penis jokes?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Well, I had to leave a bit early
For all I know they are still there.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah, I had to head home
My wife is working a brutal 7 PM to 7AM week (the price for her getting Christmas off) and it was time to help her get ready to go (oh yeah, she’s 7 months pregnant too, awesome time to be working nights) and put the kiddo to bed.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
If anybody asks, I have "DAD LIFE" tattooed across my back in fancy Gothic script.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
that's better than have breasts tattooed back there
you’re a good husband, no matter what fritz says
Balls
We talked about Fritz's boner if that counts
rui is banned also
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
IT'S A 3.5 HOUR DRIVE
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Twitter
Dude, he's asian
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's 250 miles from here to STL
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Okay, good start!
Now, what’s 250 divided by 70?
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Twitter
2 hours
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
3.57
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
good
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
you are supposed to wait for Abbot to ask "Who's on first?" before that line
timing, it’s all about timing. Work on it
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
TWSS
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
eyy-ohhh!
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of
I made a trip from basically StL to Houston with two of my friends in approximately 12 hours one time.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
That is pretty impressive… when I was a kid we used to drive from St. Louis to San Antonio in about 18 hours. Houston is closer but I’m not sure if it’s 6 hours closer.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
And when I say "we" I mean my dad drove pretty much the whole way.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
We switched off driving.
I’m pretty sure the engine on my car was glowing.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
You sure it wasn't
the aliens in the trunk?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
12?!?!?
It’s about 10 hours to Memphis from here, and another 4 to St. Louis.
You were flying.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
yes, we were.
I don’t even wanna know how fast they were going while I was sleeping in the back.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
like 90 the whole way?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
actually that'd be a hundo the whole way.
you must’ve been a lot younger when you made this trip.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Was your dad Richard Petty?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
did he often wear a cowboy hat?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have a brother named Kyle?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have a history of killing your brothers or
guys named “Kyle”?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
was he a really big fan of STP?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
he was probably too old to be into the Stone Temple Pilots
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
During the KC/StL drive...
Did he sing an Interstate Love Song???
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well I'm linking this anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjJL9DGU7Gg&ob=av2e
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
define always
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good God, do you drive 100mph?
It takes me 2 hours to drive from Columbia to St. Louis driving 70mph.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Yeah, nevermind. I'm an idiot.
It takes me 20 minutes shorter. but I’m usually going to West County.
I'm just sayin'.
(Also, I expect to make this trip next year as I have never been to Kansas City before. Please find out all the awesome things there prior to, let’s say, June. Thanks.)
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Ohhhh yeah this is happening
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I didn't go to the ASG when it was in St. Louis.
I’m certainly not going to waste my time when I drive to a new city.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
I didn't go either.
The only reason I even watched it was because it was in STL.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
BBQ, Sporting KC game, Royals game, and beer
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
hmmmm
Alright. Find some good beer and we will talk when I am ready to make the trip.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
Boulevard tour?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
you've lived in saint louis your whole life and haven't ever trucked over to KC?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, it was remarkably easy to do.
There was no real incentive. Now I can harass Rui. This is incentive.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
jcrasnick: Pujols will make $12M and $16M in first 2 years of $250M deal. Salary increases to more than $30M per year near end of deal.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
wow.
Those Angles really know how to do business.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
You know what
FUCK albert pujols.
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
this this this a thousand times this
if anyone still thinks he’s half the man he’s always said he is they are a gotdamned fool
Balls
what an asshole
seriously, fuck pujols.
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah fuck Albert Pooholes
How dare he put up 80 WAR in 11 seasons, lead us to two world championships, and then not take a huge paycut to stay in St. Louis.
Or are you guys all being sarcastic as well?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
people have short memories.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't lead us to anything...
he was the third best player on the team during the regular season and the fourth best in the playoffs.
Sign Roy O
You're right, we probably would have won the WS without Pujols' 5 WAR
And he was far, far, far, far, far and away the best player in 06.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This brings down the actual value of the deal somewhat...
it makes it better for the team, not worse.
Sign Roy O
In terms of sheer money, of course
But they’re going to be paying a 42 year old Albert Pujols $30M
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
from reports on TV deal, $150M plus whatever they other wise earn on the rest of operations right?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
IIR It's a 20 year deal starting in 2012 ... but it would not surprise me if I'm wrong
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Was supposed to be $3B dollar deal right?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah.
Somebody told me one day (fourstick?) that the actual value wasn’t that much but damned if I know.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's the way I read it.
3 billion over 20 years.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I was going on average revenue didn't know the intricacies of the deal but that would make sense
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
thanks. that's a bit out of my depth.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well they're also paying 32 year old Pujols $12M
Not that the deal isn’t completely ridiculous, but this helps the Angels obviously.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They're going to be paying a 42-year-old Albert Pujols thirty million 2021 dollars ...
having earned interest on $13.4M for 9 years and on $9.4M for 8. Depending on how those other seven years are structured, means they save about $5M on NPV
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok
So, back loaded contracts = respect BUT Defferred money = DISRESPECT.
I hope your making notes, there will be a test.
Bursting into song.
PUJOLS DISRESPECTED US!!!!!!!!!
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
the more I learn about Pujols
the less respect I have for him
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Just another sanctimonious asshole.
Talking out one side of his mouth but counting every last penny.
Hypocritical POS.
by RollBirdsRoll on Dec 29, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
you know somehow I have a feeling that was the truth or at least was very influential in this particular case
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
influential yes
but dont give Albert a free pass, he’s as much responsible as she is..even if shes twisting his arm..
because TLR
I agree he owns his decision, he made the deal and signed on the dotted line
Just saying I think she was probably influential. How many / what other wives have been interviewed post contract after a player does anything contractually?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
we are in agreement
just saying he doesnt get a free pass…heard the wife angle a lot not from here
because TLR
NO FREE PASS FOR HEEEEEM,.....20 YEARS!
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
did it? don't know who Chris Benson was
did it go well really?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
OK now I know who Chris Benson is
post google/wiki … WOW
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Kris
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
OK I have no idea who Kris Benson is ... again
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
His wife could get him in the HOF.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 30, 2011 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, was jok ... 2nd time
i went and looked him up. I vaguely remembered that story afterward but not the name
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I'm not
Was more of a joke but, after hearing her radio “interview” I lost a lot of respect for them both. You left stl, fine, but you can’t then go and try to play this respect card. Or the it’s not about money card. You took the better money, fine just say that and move on. I see it as greed, whatever else u say rings hollow. In my refined Kenny Rodgers quote: " you gotta know when to fold them, know hold them, and know when to get the fuck out!"
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
by elirock83 on Dec 29, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
the pujols crew playing the faith card is making things worse for why they left, not better like they’ve been trying to do. it was all about money all along, and that’s the truth. they can say whatever they want, but money talks.
The funny thing is they'd be much better off in the PR game by just coming out and saying it was the money
Not afraid to nitpick
it would ruin their rep for saying that, though
and even though it’s already been done, they don’t want to actually see it for themselves.
Well not literally
But say “the Angels presented me with the best opportunity (WINK WINK) to finish out the rest of my career”
Not afraid to nitpick
Anything but the approach they took would have been better, or not worse
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Faith card exactly
I couldn’t think of a good 1 word term. No matter what that camp says, they lose in my eyes. You know Al you could be here in stl and in 10 or so years be sitting at opening day with a red jacket next to a bunch of other legends, but instead you took the money and went to Cali. I hope you and Tim Samon enjoy that opening day together instead.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
i believe playing the faith card
loses them merits. Especially when it’s on video etc. about him not going to take more…i was fine with it but really lost intrest in stuff. I’m not saying I would have handled it better, and I do think for them there is a chance to espand their work off field..but yeah the more they talk..
because TLR
I might be in a minority, but I can't really see what Pujols did wrong here
Then again, I’m at the point where knowing what I now know about the two deals offered, I would have also signed the Angels deal if I were Albert.
ABSOLUTELY!!!!
$44 million is roughly what I’ll make in 20 lifetimes. It’s not like the offers were close at all. Almost every single one of us, if we are being honest, would have done the exact same thing.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention,
he’s going to need all that extra money for alimony when Deidra catches him at one of Lozano’s coke and hooker parties.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm being honest...
and I would’ve swallowed my pride and come back to St. Louis. In St. Louis he had a huge amount of goodwill in the bank. In Anaheim he just has a huge contract to live up to. Hell, he already got booed at least twice just in the opening press conference/introduction.
Sign Roy O
You are the first person I've ever "met"
that would rather make $210 million dollars living in Saint Louis Fucking Missouri than make between $254 and $280 million living in L.A./Beverly Hills/wherever.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
this
not just LA, all of California
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's awful
But is St. Louis really that much better? (haven’t been there).
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
It always depends on one's definition of "awful"
Every place is awful in certain ways.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah
And it all depends on what you like to do. I would move to the place with the most trees and the freshest air, hopefully sunny often.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
well, top spot in murder, stds but only 8th in drunkeness.
my kinda town.
www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I doubt that
But I’m sure its awesome if you are a baseball fan.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
and if you like rivers!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just wondering, how did you come to be a Cardinal fan if you've never set foot in the city?
Sign Roy O
I turned on a Marlins/Cardinals game sometime in 2004
And was enthralled with the lineup.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Roger Cedeno must've been playing that day
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I loved him in Baseball Mogul
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols, duh.
actually I’m always interested to hear how people came to like the Cardinals that didn’t come from around here.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
i'm admittedly biased
it’s a big city that doesn’t feel big. it has everything i need. and most importantly, it’s not ohio
Balls
Are you kidding?
First of all, the difference between $210 million and $254 million is nothing in terms of actual commerce. Second, St. Louis is probably a preferable place to live during the baseball season. Most athletes are eating, sleeping, and competing, so really Beverly Hills doesn’t promise much except a considerable amount of time parked on the freeway.
Sign Roy O
Albert's probably going to get his own helicopter of hovercar.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I also would stay in St. Louis because I am motivated by things other than money.
I chose to not accept a job that paid substantially more because I would have to relocate and my mother is in assisted living nearby,
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
there are things other than money in California.
I haven’t been there, but I imagine life near the ocean is much better than life near the river.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Life near my mother is more important to me.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
well Albert doesn't have a mother in a nursing home in saint louis.
I imagine if he did, he would just relocate her to a nursing home in LA
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry I thought the question is what others would do not what Albert would do.
My mother would not move to California or any other place.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I guess it was more ..
“What would we do if we were Albert?”
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
You posited that everyone else would do the same thing as Albert
so I took that as what my thoughts and motivations were, not Albert’s. You would take the deal and there is nothing wrong with that. What others would do in the same situation should not be relevant.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
And I have been all over California multiple times
and it is not all it is cracked up to be.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
and I have been all over saint louis.
it is a shithole.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't live in St. Louis
but it is not for everyone. Neither is California.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
You're talking about how great LA is and you've never been there...
you should really go there.
Sign Roy O
I don't think a trip out there is necessary to determine that its better than St. louis.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
There are many aspects that make it desirable...
and many that make it kind of a drag. To say it’s better in absolute terms when you’ve haven’t been there is ridiculous.
Do you have any idea what the commute time is between Beverly Hills or LA and the Angels Stadium? Probably two hours each way.
Sign Roy O
Well given that, I'd imagine he'd choose to just live closer to the ballpark.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, he could buy the ballpark and live there.
Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte
You have to live either high up above the smog (Beverly HILLS)...
or within a mile or two of the beach. Othewise, it’s hot and smoggy. If you work at Anaheim Stadium, you have to choose between traffic and smog. Of course Albert can afford a driver.
Sign Roy O
Anaheim is a traffic nightmare because Disneyland is there.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
but he can't drink on the way to games so what's he going to do to entertain himself during those long drives?
No that would lead to a high dollar D-I-V-O-R-C-E
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
its not ridiculous at all.
In fact, I bet if you took a random poll of 10,000 people that have never been to either city, at least 9,500 of them would say they’d rather live near LA than live near STL.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Why would I consult a population that is completely ignorant of the two places in question?
Sign Roy O
to illustrate how it is common sense that people would
choose LA over STL just based on what they know about the 2 cities.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't know anything about the places...
doesn’t common sense dictate that you should reserve judgement?
Sign Roy O
Maybe if they are 4 years old,
but if they have above an 8th grade education they’ll know enough about the 2 cities to make the easy decision.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know if you're being serious.
But people buy cars based on looks and color not performance. People are not smart.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
there is no common sense about it
it all has to do with someone’s opinion, some people would prefer to live in STL over LA, the same way as some people would prefer to live in Alaska than Hawaii.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
and its obvious that less people would prefer to live in Alaska than Hawaii
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
its bad,
but I’ve seen worse.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
nonsense!
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
what you should do is poll people who've lived in both places
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yup
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I've lived in LA for 4 years
Grew in MO, live in KC currently
Can’t speak for STL, really, but i love KC. Hated LA
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i've only visited LA on several occasions
but i mean i really hated it. the traffic is fucking ridiculous. that alone makes me never want to live there.
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yeah and the drivers are all dickbags
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Atlanta traffic makes me feel the same way
Soooo bad
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Who designed Atlanta's interstate network anyway?
Its just about the worst design you could have for that city. The best time to drive through there is 3am, but its hard to plan any kind of trip that way.
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
i have no idea, i've been there 4 times
and will never go back
my dad was a truck driver & he would never take a load anywhere near ATL unless he could go there like you said late at night.
Balls
There is nothing wrong with merging two interstates together
and making them go straight through the heart of the city, and then having them split back out while crossing another interstate.
Nope, absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Also, every street is named Peachtree.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
where does rolla stack up?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
you know the part of the totem pole that you can't see?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
At first i read that as "that can't see"
Thought it was a Fritz joke
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
you'd have to ask his wife about that
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
weak MtF, you are better than that
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
I got in trouble the last time.
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
oh really
that’s what it was for, although I’m not particularly enlightened to your recent situation, I don’t want to get you … or me for that matter, in trouble
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Last thing I'll mention about this...
in 2009, Forbes did a study to determine what cities Americans thought to be the most and least desirable. Topping the list of most desirable were Denver, Seattle, San Diego, Tampa, and Orlando.
Coming in as the least desirable were Detroit, Cincinatti, Kansas City, Minneapolis, and Cleveland.
I’m going to assume that you are smart enough to know which group Saint Louis is most similar to.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
who cares what people think though?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
KC is awesome
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HEY I'M NOT BANNED ANYMORE
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why were you banned?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Because Fritz is an asshole
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he banned you?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Fritz can ban people?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
i assume he's with azru who can
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We discussed your Sweet 16
Peach thought you needed more men of color. Awfully white
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
wtf
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i know azru told me
i was just going off of what people in comments generally say. i mean i have never heard anyone talk about how handsome brian jordan is.
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i did!
there are i think 3
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The comments sections adds some color though
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Didn't realize they were that close
note to self … do not mess with Fritz
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Does that count as a dick joke?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
and he and suck it! Man what skillz
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
/and he can suck it! Man what skilz
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Fritz can't ban people
But he can talk robots into it. It was a group decision
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
maybe?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
lt just doesn't seem like a fair shake to me
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
its not a matter of intelligence
its a matter of opinion…obviously there are people that choose to live in Minneapolis or Cleveland. It doesnt make them stupid because they live there instead of Denver or LA.
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
orlando is overrated. the first three on that list are cool though.
minneapolis is really cool. i don’t know why anyone would feel the need to put them on the “worst cities” list.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
probably people that hate wintry weather
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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
GREAT place to live during the summer though.
if you can handle the winter.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
i can't really think of anything good about LA except the weather
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Incredible food and music culture
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oh true. excellent food.
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most likely. everything is expensive in LA
but i’ve always wanted to go to hell’s kitchen!
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Not even remotely close to being true
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I think it mostly is
That’s where the big advantage in LA lies. The burger joints/diners aren’t anything special.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
No way
Little Tokyo, Koreatown, Little Ethiopia, Monterrey Park
Pink’s, Phillipe the Original, hundred’s more that I’m forgetting
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what's that burrito place that is awesome and everyone talks about
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...all of them?
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hmm
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california burrito!
ha
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Is that an actual place?
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okay maybe that's not what i'm thinking of
my freshman roommate from anaheim had her parents send her like a freeze-packed box of food from this place.
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but yes it is
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Pink's just tastes like any other hot dog, I don't get it
I haven’t been to any of the “Littles”, so I’ll take your word on that. Haven’t been to Phillipes either.
At least where I live, which is right in the heart of Beverly Hills/Santa Monica, the only really good places are Apple Pan, Norms, Sandbags and Poquito Mas.
Just in Eugene alone, there is a much better breakfast place than anything I’ve been to in LA.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but every true college town has the best breakfast place you've ever been to
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Dude you missed out on living in LA
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he was too young
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He had two driving years there
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I've been to all of the places that are hyped
Inn’n’out (solid), Chipotle (meh), Umami Burger (meh).
Wait, actually Roscoes is amazing and so is Good Stuff. I guess LA has good food, but I haven’t been overwhelmed by it. I would usually rather just make a burger or a sandwich at home.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
chipotle is nationwide now
and in and out practically is. they don’t really count as unique to LA
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i guess it seems like it to me since its all over the west coast
but in any event, in n out is actually awesome and vep just doesn’t like anything
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Inn'n'outs great compared to McDonalds
But I’d much rather have Apple Pan or Good Stuff or make a burger at home.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
you're very lucky in that you live in the west
they just went into Texas this year & might move into Oklahoma, Ark & Louisiana. but that’s set in stone by any means
Balls
Five Guys is just as good
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
i love five guys
but they are greasier, much more expensive, and the fried are not really good
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But Five Guys has free peanuts!
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
We have a couple of
5 Brothers eateries. But they’re a local family thing.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I went to Five Guys recently and the Ala cart pricing seemed reasonable
initially, but when I paid the bill it seemed quite a lot for a greasy/good tasting hamburger, some greasy meh fries, and a drink in a gymnasium converted to a cafeteria for lunch
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Five Guys fries are delicious.
Sign somebody.
by EinFesteBusch on Dec 30, 2011 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck yeah Roscoes
Also, I wouldn’t really count any of those as LA “places”
Maybe Umami
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Oh and there's this great BBQ place by the airport
It’s called Baby Blues or something.
New Orleans has way better food than LA also.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like you're making lots of judgements on LA food without actually having been to any of the LA restaurants
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You're right, I haven't been to any of the LA restauarants
Except for the 50 or so that I have been too.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
so we can safely conclude that Sf and NO, two of the greatest food cities in the world, have better food than LA, at least according to two people.
Let’s go ahead and close the case on this one.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You're an asshole
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Yeah Fritz, screw you
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
you should hang out with us more!
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I would if I lived in the same city!
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I hate you guys
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
well when y'all said food that's generally where my mind goes
i know there’s probably a lot of really good mexican & other ethnic joints that are cheap. but when people talk about how good a city or area’s food is, my default thought is it must be pretty expensive
Balls
The weather isn't even that good
The city is so smog filled. I noticed a huge difference coming back from Oregon. You just feel worse living in LA.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
You really have to live within 1-2 miles of the coast or up high...
The difference between a mile from shore and three miles is just huge.
Sign Roy O
it's foggy 350 days a year in redondo beach
I can jog to the beach and back, easy, and “LA” to me has been a huge disappointment since moving here in ’08. I much preferred living in the high desert, where it was sunny 350 days a year, got up to 100+ in the summer, and you could get to dodger stadium in under 2 hours when the cards were in town.
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
yeah obviously the air quality is terrible
i don’t know, i’m going to LA next week so i will let you guys know if i would take $44mm to live there instead of STL
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it has gotten much better in last 7 years, though
worst air quality I’ve observed was near inland empire, area just northeast of Ontario, coming down out of the mountains; in 2004ish it was so bad you could barely drive through some places, and I’d find myself coughing inside the car while driving to the Ontario airport. Which was way cheaper then, since no one wanted to go there.
Those places have miles of visibility now. And it’s way more expensive to fly out of, than it was. Boo, tree-huggers! ;)
The fog in the beach cities just kills me, though. ALWAYS foggy. Never any sun. That, and the ash rain (not acid rain, but random black organic matter falling from the sky. I had to build a cover over my dog’s food and water dish to keep the black particles of burned wood from making his water undrinkable).
"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
I don't think its better than St. Louis
If you’re into nightclubs, smog and obnoxious fake people, LA is the place for you.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Weather alone makes LA better than St. Louis
but then again, I’m one of those people who is significantly less happy on cloudy days and I hate snow.
yeah..no kidding.
I think it was like 35 degrees the day Albert made his decision.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Busch>Angels Stadium>Tebow
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
no argument there, but
LA>STL>Tebow
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
The few times I've been to STL I've thoroughly enjoyed myself though if I was choosing I would go to Denver
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
As I said, my mother would not live there.
She is in assisted living, not a nursing home, so she can still think for herself.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
hah, if you had 250 million you could buy an entire retirement home just for your mother
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Except not in California, because my mother would not live there under any circumstances.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I would have stayed in St. Louis
But I don’t begrudge him for going to Anaheim.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
i think you are misunderstanding the anger
its not that he left for the money. its that he keeps on insisting its NOT about the money. he should have just shut up and let us move on.
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I suppose I just don't see why people take what athletes say seriously either way
Most professional athletes don’t exactly have the most nuanced grasp of the English language
Of course, when it comes to contract negotiations, I always assume it’s always about the money, even if the GM/owner/player/agent says otherwise.
because Cardinal fans aren't your typical fans, we trust our players
especially when they do & say what Albert always said
Balls
I always took from his statements the idea
was that he wasn’t going to leave for just marginally more money, and that if the Cardinals’ offer was reasonably competitive he’d stay.
I just don’t consider the Cardinals’ offer competitive.
it really wasn't because Artie is playing on a whole different level
but when you take him literally & how they are acting now, plus this news he’s taking less now, they look really, really shitty
Balls
Ummmmm
He left for the exact amount that he said he wouldn’t leave for. Unless you’re going to throw in the extra 10 year ‘facetime’ contract. He said he wouldn’t leave for just an extra 3-4 mil per year and that’s exactly what he did. I don’t really care one way or the other at this time, but he did do exactly what he said he wouldn’t.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't include the deferred money when making the year by year comparisons
And I don’t think anyone other than MLB accountants would either
fair enough
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
have the exact numbers been released?
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
so he'll average $28.25 million for ages 34-41.
HFS.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well backloading is smart
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Finally reading "Moneyball"
The white sox drafted Royce ring in the first round…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 6:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
IIRC,
he was later traded for the remains of Roberto Alomar.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just saw Moneyball this weekend and was not that impressed. It was OK to me
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I've just purchased Ball Four, October 1964, and Catcher in the Wry
but Moneyball is on my reading list
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Those are some great choices.
If your a student of the game, Honus Wagner: A Biography, by Dennis Devaleria, is another great read on baseball in the 1890’s and early 20th Century.. It’s one I read every few years.
by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
On the list now, Thanks Tuning in!
Also, why don’t you have an avatar? You ever think about adding one? You are here pretty regularly and some folks, I don’t focus on them to much and actually just noticed you don’t have one, seem to like them as I think some members are more visual in keeping track of who is saying what.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I've thought about that here and there,
but I wouldn’t know what to use, and if I did find something to use, I wouldn’t know how to put it up…
You won’t be disappointed in Honus…
by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 29, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a fabulous choice
It’s really easy, save the image to your hard drive, edit/crop it as you wish on you computer, then go edit your profile, select "profile image, browse, select pic from wherever you saved it on your hard drive, then press the update bottom at the bottom of the screen.
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm, sounds like a lot of gyrations, but I'll give it a shot sometime
this weekend and see what happens, Hope I don’t crash the site…
by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 29, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Rajah!!!
Actually it’s extremely simple
1. Search internet and save picture of Rajah to your hard drive, if you don’t want to edit, find one that looks like one you’d like for an avatar and save that to your hard drive
2. Click on your name in a message thread
3. Click on “edit profile at the top right of your profile page”
4. Select profile image at the top of page and then browse to the location you saved the Rajah image too and select the image then click “open”
5. Scroll to bottom of profile page and click edit button
Easy peasy
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12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Guess we'll know next week how it goes then ... good luck to you
If you are having troubles just ask VEB and someone will walk you through it
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Just wondering..
If baseball players were always allowed to run their own facebook or is this something new?
by Cheeseballs on Dec 29, 2011 7:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
it seems that some of them have a page ran for them
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Furcal
Has been running his own page. So has Shelby Miller I think, which is probably a bad idea.
by Cheeseballs on Dec 29, 2011 7:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
okay, i figured it out.
cardinals DAR fanpost is up
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Productive day at work eh?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i actually left at 430 even
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i went to target and bought a k-cup holder!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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What's a K-cup
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
the little coffees that go into a keurig
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I WANT A KEURIG
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
i've had it for two days and it has already changed my life
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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seriously, really badly.
it would be fucking awesome. ship me yours.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
okay. what's your address?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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you know how to find it because you're creepy.
so find it yourself.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
oh, okay. it's in the mail!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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thanks, lindsay!
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
What's a Keurig
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
seriously?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
i'm calling BS on this
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I mean, by Googling I can tell it's some sort of coffee machine
Is it special?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
have you been dead the past six weeks?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
he is full of shit
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i think so too.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Welp, thanks for the help guys!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
...
….
http://www.keurig.com/the-keurig-story
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=keurig+coffee+maker
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
No?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I don't like coffee
But I love my keurig. I am a tea drinker and there are many excellent flavors, hell even the hot chocolates r good.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
my sister-in-law was telling me
that if you take the dark chocolate and mix it with the white chocolate, it tastes better than Starbucks.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
K-Cups are the key
Easy way to make a variety of single servings of coffee
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Man that sounds huge! Natural?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for picking me up on that one FtF
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
heh. couldn't just leave that sitting there.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
In a different world that might have been greened upon hitting post button, my world that is
Which, obviously is not this world mind you … looks over shoulder
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
How does Colby get on this list?
Rasmus is a lot of things, but I wouldn’t really describe him as handsome. I always thought he looked a little half-baked.
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
i think he is terrible looking
but since so many female fans seem to disagree, i added him for them.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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That's really saying something coming from Willie McGee's Twin
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he's going to whack your ass if you keep that up
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
he's awful looking
he has been replaced.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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#LazyRasmus
couldn’t even finish in a fanpost.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
welp i guess winter is over in phoenix
mid 70s and sunny for the next 8 days in a row
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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die.
"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you're bitching?!
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
its nice when its cold for a little bit
i’m actually going to be in LA all week next week. same weather over there. maybe its just a warm front.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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oh yeah that's right! watch out for minibar IHB next week
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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i didn't ask for them!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you're bitching?!
MINIBAR IHB IS FUN!!!!!
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not bitching!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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bitcher! still working?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
no i left awhile ago
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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good. i'm proud of you.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you get a sunburn.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was out in Scottsdale for for Christmas
Basically I’m moving there as soon as I can (which won’t be soon) so I can continue to golf in December.
Not afraid to nitpick
i have to deal with
temps between the 10s and 40s for basically 5-6 months of the year, along with snow… i’d be ecstatic.
I'd be ecstatic for that weather.
Been mid-50s for the last two weeks basically. NEED MOAR SNO
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
We've had a pretty great winter in the greater STL metropolitan, and south/central IL area this year
Today was a great sunny and warm 56ish day today!
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
DSzymborski: Nick Punto in Boston - 250/332/335, OPS+ 78 #12ZiPS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
over. over over over.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I may be the only person here who didn't really want Punto next year.(of course, I didn't want Skip either)
We got his outlier offensive year in 2011 – best to get up and leave with your chips rather than wait for the dealer to get them all back.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
we didn't really need punto to hit though. his hitting was just a bonus.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
With DD and Greene at 2nd, rather than Skip, I don't think we really needed his defense either.
I would have been fine with him as the 25th dude on a cheap contract, but I don’t regret the Cards not signing him.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I was OK not bringing Punto back in isolation
It was the contrast to keeping Skip that made me pine for Nick Punto. That defense is pretty darn good.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah.
I wasn’t counting on much offense from him. He just looks better as the 25th man than Skip.
Well, maybe not according to DAR.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
i liked punto cause he looked like he belonged
at 2nd… he could turn a dp.. i still dont have conf. in skip
because TLR
aaaaaaaaaaand Abs of steel
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Carp always wins the Shredder Sweepstakes

Sign somebody.
by EinFesteBusch on Dec 30, 2011 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
He ain't go nothin on Lance Berkman

RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
OH GOB
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Or is this just fantasy?
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Caught in a landslide
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
No escape from reality
(enter Aranathor to do an awesome Freddie Mercury cover)
Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam
by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?!
Just because i’m gay, british and have a bitching moustache. It does not make me Freddy Mercury!!
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FINE
I’M JUST A POOOOOR BOY
I need no SYMpaThhhyyyyy
Bursting into song.
by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you gave in way too easy
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
because I'm easy come, easy go
little high, little low
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
"He's just a poor boy"
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I <3 everything about this
including your sig
Sign somebody.
by EinFesteBusch on Dec 30, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
I’ve always pictured Aranathor to look something like this
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Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
you are a very disturbed individual
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I'll bet his back is really scary
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Have time to waste.
Do internet what
Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A
by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Who knows where I can watch The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo online?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
2011
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
how can you be sure?
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
crap
I guess I could just go see it in the theaters. I’ll see if there’s anything on TV.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
There are these things called torrents
but that would incite the SOPA folks, rightly so mind you
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Astros job
http://baseballjobs.teamworkonline.com/teamwork/r.cfm?i=41068
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
yeah
your gonna help build a database, probably for stats and scouting information.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
You might as well get a programming job...
in a town that isn’t Houston and join a softball team after work or buy season tickets.
Sign Roy O
What do you think you'd be doing for a "baseball job"?
Unless your an analyst or a scout, everything you do is going to be technical.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I love my job so much
My step in the door doesn’t require being the lowest totem in the pole. I literally come into the job as the head of my department
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
What does that have to do with my comment?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I assume programming jobs suck
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
And I don't know of too many programmers who end up advancing in baseball
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
programming is a prequesite for being an analyst
obviously a programmer with nothing else to offer isn’t going to advance.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
If I eventually go back to baseball, I want it to be at an analyst level or something like that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
You're going to be working directly with the data that the team uses to make their decisions
If you have any type of baseball smarts this is a great way to earn a job as an analyst.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I-musiually-am
Kris benson and his wife upthread- Some speculated that the pitcher had been ushered out of town partly as an excuse for the Mets to part ways with his wife, outspoken model Anna Benson, who had “perturbed team officials with her risqué wardrobe and provocative comments.”1213 Kris Benson also felt that the Mets had traded him because of his wife,14 a position disputed by Mets management
because TLR
i remember her saying if he ever cheated on her she'd sleep with the entire Mets team
she sounds really classy
Balls
yeah we were talking baseball wives
in media above and i cracked a joke about her, but either he didnt get it or was joking
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
From reading the wiki article seem like a decent guy with promising future and an /begin italics ... interesting ... /end italics ... off field life
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Albert Pujols just called me
He said his name was Jim, and he was selling solar energy or something. I guess that’s in his contract.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
suddenly this thread has killed my computer
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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I don't know if you guys know this
But Aventinus Weizen Eis-bock is good.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Welzein?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I could drink about a thousand of those, you guys.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Did you that I found a DadBoner archive?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Not a sentence.
But I could use another link because apparently I need to read this.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
You... probably won't like it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
The beginning, and make your way through them
Click on the date at the bottom right of each day’s tweets to move onto the next day
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
That is the most depressing thing I have read in a long, long time
and I only got through the first 18 of them. I don’t need that shit.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
that is funny as hell. I stopped at May 3, 2010. It was getting addictive
No wonder women have been making jokes about men being jerks on TV sitcoms for decades
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like you've had a thousand of those
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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MULTITASKING
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
what is a sow
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Is this a swine question?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Female pig
My sister recently got a Twitter and saw that and wasn’t very happy with me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
technically, it's a female pig that has had piglets.
until then she’s a gilt.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Love this blog
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
but that's not important right now
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
thought you'd appreciate that
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
More porcine trivia
“Pig” refers to swine that are under 120 pounds after that they are hogs.
also
Boar – male swine with testicles
Barrow – castrated male swine
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
It's only 9:40, of course
but this is the current leader in the “most interesting fact I’ve learned today” sweepstakes. We’ll see if it holds on!
I used to know lots more about pigs
I worked at a pig farm in high school and raised one that became the Reserve Grand Champion at the county fair my sophomore year. That means 2nd best out of about 200.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Congrats! here's a batch of bacon cookies
just for you:

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?
holy shit i want those
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 31, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't want to overwhelm them.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
good call
porcine trivia is more of morning activity
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
yeah i'm not very happy with you either
you’ve got lots of degrading names for women don’t you
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!
You've never made an Asian or mom joke, have you?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i know i've never made a mom joke
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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actually right
http://www.sbnation.com/users/IHeartBoog/search?type=&q=rui%27s+mom&btn=Search
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
and this
http://www.sbnation.com/users/IHeartBoog/search?type=&q=asian&btn=Search
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Oh we both know you gotta expand the search terms there
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
i searched for the word "asian"
also, i searched for the word “mom” – there are 19 comments and only one is about your mom and all i said is that i rec’d a joke about your mom.
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No I'm saying you can make a lot of Asian jokes and never say the word "Asian"
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Twitter
cross reference this list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs_by_ethnicity#East_Asian_descent
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
making an Asian joke is no small feet.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 8 recs
no small penis either
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you quick bastard
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
gotta rec that
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
well okay
but i seriously doubt i’ve done that
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you have a sister?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
wasn't even going there.
just he’s never mentioned that he has a sister.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
he has mentioned her, just not often
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
No she's not
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Twitter
I can attest to this
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
way to fuck it all up.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
i think he's caught enough grief with his mom
Balls
by gdm426 on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this should stop right this instant dammit
not against you gdm, just getting it on record in the thread
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to elaborate, but it's has nothing to do with you
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
goddammit.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
They go down SO smooth
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Twitter
You're newer than me!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
...11.4?
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Twitter
that's how much newer fink is than you?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
don't hide dude, embrace the 11.4
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Weird as in, "I think I'll give thousands of dollars to someone I've only met online?"
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
No. I have given all sorts of things away here, but not thousands of dollars.
That’s pretty unlikely to happen. Especially since Aranathor bumped me down your list.
11.4
It was nothing personal
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I never meant to hurt you!
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
time wounds all heals
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer Irish whiskey
and rage
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, big fan of rage
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
i like the smashing pumpkins
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Do you like the End is the Beginning is the End?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Listen to the Beginning is the End is the Beginning
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn't even concentrate
and I hyphenated incorrectly. (I think it’s weizen-eisbock)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by CodyG on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
SIGN RICH HARDEN
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by CodyG on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
SIGN BRAD PENNY
so vep has a reason to do a pitch f/x again!
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
this want supposed to be a reply
its this app’s fault
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by CodyG on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Tyler Greene for starting short stop!
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by CodyG on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
4 WAR YEARS
4 WAR YEARS
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I’m afraid his accidency will result in an obscure footnote in Cardinals history
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
The whole thing???
At this price he can’t afford not to!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
isn't that somewhat covered by the spoon?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
my ass is in the middle of a ten year personal service contract with Kip Wells.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 4 recs
Oh god
I hope I didn’t accidentally touch you at the bar or something. Guh-rosssss.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
How many people showed up, fink?
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Actually we'd all be interested in a rundown of the evening and a roll call I'm sure ... at least I would
hope it was a success and a good time had by all
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Myself, fritz, azru, flim, liam, liam's friend who shows up to VEB meet-ups but not VEB, bobo, peach concrete.
I think that’s it. We drank and talked; not too much to report, but it was fun. The place was really nice, btw. Definitely worth checking out.
11.4
glad y'all had a good time.
would’ve loved to have been there
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
well shit.
had i known you guys were going to last that long i would have shown up after i finally got off.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Man you guys were partying
(I am apparently old now, I am a little jealous that you were able to stay out until 8:30)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
that's cold
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
What did you say about me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I found out Bobo is actually not a tranny.
Please check http://twitter.com/RuiIsATranny for further developments.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
How did you find this out
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I told him about our weekend together
and how surprised I was.
Beware: Velociraptors may be present.
for some reason I can't stop laughing
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
FUCK AND YES
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Great for you guys sounds like a good time and good showing
Good effort Fink even though I couldn’t make it glad you guys got together
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I was just thinking that
Let’s plan one for say, April at the game … was discussed early last year but didn’t happen did it?
Perhaps a pre-game meet up near by the stadium or a tailgate sort of deal
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
There was one last year, though I don't think it stayed cohesive at the game itself.
I’m sure something will be planned this year.
11.4
EARLY NOTE TO PLANNER: PLAN IT FOR AN AWAY SPORTING KC GAME
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Twitter
Since you will be intimately aware of your obscure, to me, schedule how about you suggest some dates once your schedule is ironed out and you've looked at our home games
Especially since you live all the way over in KC which is 4 or 3.5 hrs away, or 2 for some folks not to be named here.
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
The schedule has not been released yet, which is kind of silly
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
yeah that's cool, we've got plenty of time, so when it is suggest some days
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
kanye reference?
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
i just immediately thought
‘fuck snl and the whole cast
tellem yeezy said they can kiss my whole ass
more specifically they can kiss my asshole’
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
right, i thought that after I had written it
by purple_haze on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
my beautiful dark twisted fantasy is so good.
(listening to music and zoning out on wikipedia)
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Is anyone watching this ridiculous baylor game
this is pathetic. my twitter is full of dumbasses praising how awesome it is. arena football basically
obv points=good game
who needs defense
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's the same argument that is used for the DH.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
it's entertaining.
it’s not good football, but it’s entertaining.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
How to Lose A Football Game With Bad Defense
Co Authored by Baylor and Washington
UW =/= Wash U
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
truman > washu > UW > tebow
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
lol
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
i'm joking, btw. i don't actually believe this.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
gad damn you guys talks about a lot of weird shit, extensively, today
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:03 AM EST reply actions
this seemed even more strange than usual
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
There is no base ball, no signage we are awaiting, we have a new manager, mang that shall not be mentioned has moved on, and we have already discussed how great LEGO is
What do you expect?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
There haven't been any tie/skinny tie fistfights today
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I got a skinny tie for Christmas!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
I wiped my ass with a skinny tie today!
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you people are the worst
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing you were all out of corncobs?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
No discusion of ties prior to this to the best of my knowledge, though I did shift+A at about 4ish and followed current comments back up thread if they were intersesting
does that count for anything? Oh and VEP wiped his ass with a skinny tie today
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12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
It's only hipsterish if it pointlessly complicates/endangers a simple task
Like buying a one speed bike
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I think some would argue the old-timey shaving stuff does exactly that!
Though I do enjoy shaving much more than ever before.
11.4
Have you ever done a barber shave?
I hear its great
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
At a barber's? I had one once. Super smooth, but not the most comfortable thing I've ever experienced.
11.4
just keep a six shooter under the barber shop sheet they use to cover you up
and when he puts the razor to your neck, cock the pistol and put it up to his belly
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
i haven't had a man cut my hair since i was a teenager
i only go to attractive women now. and if you know anything about GDM, you know the ladies don’t like him.
Balls
When I think of you guys and your safety razors I think of something from a Sherlock Holmes story
He leaves early for work, and therefore is a farmer because he shaves before sunup and thus most use a candle and small mirror attached to the left side of the wall to provide light and refleciton because he’s clean shaven on the left side of his face, and has a less refined shave on his right, indicating he shaves before the sun is fully up and sees the left side of his face better while preparing for the tasks of the upcoming day
11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Of course. It was the imagery of the old timely razor that conjured up that thought
I was seriously considering adopting the tools and practice myself actually, but then I remembered I’m lazy and shave in the shower, sans mirror and had visions of blood running down the drain so I gave up on the idea
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't get anything
But I’m gonna see if my dad will get me a phaser. We didn’t really acknowledge Hannukah in any way this year.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
My family didn't acknowledge Hannukah either
but we’re not Jewish
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
kill the aryan
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
zipper ties are where its at
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
I know you can get some zip tie bracelets and an orange jumper
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12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Why am I watching a video on how to urinate in public?
i need a hobby VEB.
video for those like me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MsEaRbVuzs
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wait ignore this
nothing happened here.
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VEB is a hobby isn't it?
But then this is the slow time of year for this particular hobby
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I also drink in my spare time
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
You limit yourself?
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
only to keep up appearances
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
that's for the best then, otherwise it develops into a habit like breathing
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
there's only so much that can be commented on freeing Tyler Greene.
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I miss the good ole days when I could comment without mention Tyler Greene
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I would like to join the Tyler Greene fanclub
Are you accepting applications?
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
of course
I suggest talking to our “president” though as I’m only second in command.
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What positions are available?
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly have no idea, how would you feel about controlling some of the duty of the twitter account?
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I could handle these duties if I need to
although since I’m going to be abroad for the first half of the season I won’t be following many games
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
also, I thought this was just a figurehead job with an easy paycheck!
You want me to WORK?
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
it's official now
congrats sir, I think you have a bright future here.
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my life is now validated
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by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Do you have a song leader?
(I was in 4-H as a kid and think every club should have a song leader.)
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
I did expound on the fact that we had pretty much discussed everything of current interest to Cardinals baseball upthread in an earlier comment
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Ah yes here it is
There is no base ball, no signage we are awaiting, we have a new manager, mang that shall not be mentioned has moved on, and we have already discussed how great LEGO is
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think his car tip method is genius.
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okay, how bout an 80s music thread?
to perk up a dead VEB.
I’ll start with the ’Mats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEjoOoON9KY
I like the Mats ok
My favorite song is Answering Machine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5hDZIiuAbU
My favorite 80’s stuff is either at the end (Pixies) or at the beginning (The Only Ones)
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Did u say 80's????
;=8)
PROPERTY IS THEFT!!!!
:=8O
2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D
too many f'ing comments
i’m going to bed where i’ll lay awake for hours wondering why i can’t sleep
yay
Balls
BRAAAIIIIIIIINNNSSS
Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6
by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 4:35 AM EST up reply actions
You people are weird.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
VEB was celebrating festivus so we were in a a festive mood
Felt like Friday evening last night to me because I’m not working today.
We’re getting ready to head to Springfield, IL this morning to take care of some business, and while here show my wife the Lincoln Tomb in Oak Ridge
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Rub the nose.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
baaahahahahaha
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"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
actually I was there as a cub scout some years ago and of course by that time it wasn't allowed.
Weather turned bad so we went to the Lincoln Home and called it a day. But was cool to be in the great mans house, we enjoyed the day even in the less than ideal weather
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I remember when every Lincoln statue in town had a shiny nose, including the one out in front of the Capitol.
I have a better appreciation for the Lincolnness of Springfield now since I moved away.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
Speaking of Lincoln statues, I've been to the national mall 3 or 4 times and prior to going the 1st time
I had always wanted to see Lincoln and wasn’t disappointed. It is for me the most moving monument there, It was far, far more awe inspiring than I had ever imagined, even though just seeing it in pictures and movies is incredible. Subsequent visits haven’t diminished the majestic presence Lincoln has setting up there.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 31, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions

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