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ST. LOUIS, MO - JUNE 4: Matt Carpenter #19 of the St. Louis Cardinals loses his bat against the Chicago Cubs at Busch Stadium on June 4, 2011 in St. Louis, Missouri.  The Cardinals beat the Cubs 5-4 in 12 innings.  (Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)

As the minor leagues begin to produce role players by the yard Dan Szymborski's annual St. Louis Cardinals ZiPS projections become more and more interesting to me. At this point it's finally no longer about just how terrible the Cardinals would be if any one player got hurt—it's about just how close to ready all the mid-grade prospects we've followed on Future Redbirds have become. At this point the replacement players have finally been replaced, in a lot of roles, by guys who could rapidly become more than that.

With ZiPS's OPS+ and ERA+ projections in hand, then, here's how the Cardinals' real, live replacement level types look as the calendar ticks to 2012.

3B: Zack Cox (92), Matt Carpenter (94). With Daniel Descalso (93) also a natural third baseman, the Cardinals figure to withstand a hit at third better than any other position—which is good, because they're also more likely to take a hit at third.

Cox's projection—.278/.327/.377—is one of the more pleasant surprises on the list, if only because I've been ceaselessly pessimistic about his prospects from the moment the Cardinals drafted him. Of course, the question hasn't really been whether he could be an average third baseman in the Major Leagues—it's what a star-caliber version of Zack Cox would look like, and I'm still not sure.

Matt Carpenter, meanwhile, is in the unenviable position of backing up an extremely fragile and nearly identically valuable regular. Given the way the Cardinals' bench appears to be firming up I think Matheny and Oquendo should bring the anyone-can-play-second meme back to life and throw him the relevant glove or mitt, because he has nothing else to do in AAA and might as well spot David Freese while his ankles are good.

OF: Erik Komatsu (86), Adron Chambers (83). Skip Schumaker was also 86, in case you haven't opened your Why Did The Cardinals Sign Skip Schumaker? Page-A-Day yet.

Star-divide

I can't exactly get excited about Erik Komatsu, since he seems to top out as a fourth-going-on-fifth outfielder, but the roster rules and the nebulous questions of upside—maybe he'll learn how to steal bases—surrounding Adron Chambers mean the Cardinals might as well keep Komatsu around if he's ready to put up a nearly identical line (.254/.328/.350) as the Rule 5 guy.

With Allen Craig, Carlos Beltran, and Lance Berkman all clustered around that right field/first base area it probably won't sting that the Cardinals' top minor league corner outfielder by ZiPS (which didn't project Oscar Taveras) is noted walk-taker and erstwhile second baseman Aaron Luna (.220/.330/.344.) With Carpenter, Mark Hamilton, and Matt Adams all looking for a place to stand and swing a bat for a while, and Schumaker around for the duration, there are plenty of unconventional temporary solutions to any outfield rotation problem.

1B: Matt Adams (98), Mark Hamilton (94). Adams is another guy whose nice ZiPS line surprised me. .264/.315/.415 isn't going to do it at first base, obviously, but going into his age-23 season and having hit at every level there's more room for improvement than those of us who were (perhaps unduly) skeptical of his Texas League romp might have anticipated. A big season in the Pacific Coast League will make me maybe 10% less skeptical than I am now, given the PCL's Coors-Field-in-2000 makeover, but it would probably be enough for the (more rational) braintrust to pencil him in somewhere.

As for Mark Hamilton, I remain convinced by something that can't be logic, observation, or his stats that he could do a good Ben Broussard impression somewhere for somebody. But at 27, and surrounded by both Matts, he probably won't do it in St. Louis.

C: Bryan Anderson (82), Tony Cruz (74). From the Why Did The Cardinals Sign Skip Schumaker? Page A Day Calendar for February 15, 2012: I'm a little—concerned isn't the right word, let me back up. I have an unsupported hunch that the Cardinals' remarkably thorough collection of left-handed bench bats who will remind you of Skip Schumaker could make a difference when it comes time for the Cardinals to choose between Bryan Anderson (.246/.306/.358) and right-handed, third-base-playing, admittedly better-on-defense Tony Cruz (.237/.287/.352).

MIF: Tyler Greene (84), Ryan Jackson (70), Pete Kozma (58). I was pleasantly surprised by Cox and Adams's lines; Ryan Jackson's .242/.297/.352 marks were both easier to anticipate and still a little disappointing. A 70 OPS+ gets you about a half-step better than Cesar Izturis—a useful guy on the bench, but not someone I'd be excited to start unless Jackson's defense is outstanding, instead of just very good.

Tyler Greene, Tenured Utility Infielder, though—that I'm kind of excited about. A left-handed second baseman and an injury prone shortstop means the Cardinals are in an ideal position to get something out of a shortstop they at least pretended they'd be interested in starting.

P: Shelby Miller (94), Lance Lynn (93), Maikel Cleto (77). Stop it! I see you there, eyeing Shelby Miller for 2012, staring with lascivious intent at those 8.5 strikeouts per nine innings. Lance Lynn is more boring, but he's also not 21. (Mike Matheny something something hunting knife.) I'm also hoping the Cardinals still see Marc Rzepczynski—projected here as a perfectly okay reliever—as a possible starter.

In the bullpen—well, I'm not sure there's such a thing as easily anticipated bullpen depth. Jason Motte (120) and Fernando Salas (117) project well, and Eduardo Sanchez's (116) mysterious shoulder aside he would make a great third-chair righty.

In case you've already scrolled past it: the link for the full 2012 Cardinals ZiPS Projections

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They are from MLBDepthCharts

Which is a pay site btw but I got these in a free subscription so I don’t feel bad about sharing them

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

Typo?
…but the roster rules and the nebulous questions of upside—maybe he’ll learn how to steal bases—surrounding Adron Chambers mean the Cardinals might as well keep Komatsu around if he’s ready to put up a nearly identical line (.254/.328/.350) as the Rule 5 guy

Do you mean “might as well keep Chambers around if he’s ready to put up a nearly identical line as the Rule 5 guy?”

by tsayguy on Dec 29, 2011 8:45 AM EST reply actions  

Don't think it's a typo

replace the last “the” with an “a” and it sounds like it should, I think.

“if he’s ready to put up a nearly identical line (.254/.328/.350) as a Rule 5 guy”

by Cardsray on Dec 29, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I had to read that twice before parsing it in the same way.

Essentially means keep Komatsu in favor of Chambers, if he’s ready to do about as well as ZiPS projects him, in the Rule 5 guy role (i.e., 4th/5th outfielder who we can get rid of, and get back $25,000 if he doesn’t work out).

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops

I meant “might as well keep komatsu around if chambers will only put up a nearly identical line to the Rule 5 guy”, or something like that—keep komatsu on the roster because if he and chambers are identical now, that way you can keep both of them. thanks for catching it.

by DanUpBaby on Dec 29, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody know which McD's have the 2011 DVD out in the counties?

Closer to westport or st. chas around 94 would be ideal.

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by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

The Willott and Jungermann McD's had them on Monday

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks, I'll swing by after work.

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"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Kinda

Back in the day I had a dog named Jaxon. He was so hyper that my niece would say he was always full of ‘action’. I thought it was pretty cute, so from then on, we would jokingly refer to him as action jaxon

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

gotcha

just curious

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by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

does it have anything to do with this classic movie???

This movie has it all. Carl Weathers, Vanity & her boobies, and a racist, smack-dealing, karate-knowing Craig T. Nelson. Also Action Jackson flips over a speeding taxi, leading to an explosive crash!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

ST. PETERS RULES!!!!

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

are these available online or do i need to physically go into a mcdonalds in STL and get one?

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I got one online

but it was a couple weeks ago and, iirc, the e-mail said something like “last chance”. Unfortunately, I’ve deleted the promo e-mail I ordered it from but, at least at one time, you could order one.

by ArkansasTravs on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

mcdonalds website has no mention of it

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

http://mcdonaldsstl.com/2011-Cardinals-World-Series-Champions-DVD.asp

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by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, i was on mcdonalds.com...nothing there

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

gross. well, unless you are drunk, then i understand the desire for french fries.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

gdm is always drunk

Gone Drinkin’ Mommy

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

ewww, no i am not

i can’t remember the last time i was drunk, it’s been years

and IHB i didn’t go to McD’s, i just had a craving. i’m a fat loser, McD’s is the closest thing to love i’ll ever get

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by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait what?

Why don’t you get drunk? It’s a great way to pass the time.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i just don't have the desire to get drunk anymore

i’m good with a drink or two every now & then. but i’m 34 mow, i can’t be getting drunk all the time

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by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

My 26 yr old nephew just found that out a couple of weeks ago.

I laughed my ass off at him.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think maybe TGOTB

is your nephew

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

too old,

but I did find out at age 26 or so.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Skip is Probably a Chemistry Signing

Skip is reportedly a great guy in the clubhouse. He works hard, sets a good example, and is supposedly popular with the other players. He sets a tone for what it means to act like a professional major leaguer.

I’m not defending the signing—I’d rather get people that play good baseball. But if Komatsu and Skip are going to be roughly as valuable, it is possible Skip is worth the extra million in the way he influences other players. And cutting him might generate a lot of ill will in the clubhouse.

Also, if Komatsu projects to play like Skip in the majors, well, he’d be jumping from double-A and might miss that projection. Skip is more likely to make his projection. Teams like certainty, even certain mediocrity.

While this all makes a certain amount of sense for one year, I can’t figure out the second year at all, other than some attempt to “respect” Skip.

by tarakas on Dec 29, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Hm

I’m not even sure he does that anymore. The last two years his wRC+ against righties has been 90 and 91 (going backwards). Now, his career split is still a healthy 108, and the last two years before that (i.e. 2009 and 2008) his splits against righties were 121 and 131, respectively. Also, he has seen his PA total go down gradually the last few years, so the 2011 and 2012 splits could be a weird smaller-sample anomaly. He pretty much lucked into being better against lefties (97 wRC+) in 2011. He has been god-awful against them the rest of his career (45 wRC+).

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Oops

I meant, the 2011 and 2010 splits could just be anomalies. Or, crazy notion, I know, it could just be that Skip isn’t even really an average hitter anymore and therefore has pretty much no real strength as a baseball player.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=150&type=1&season=2011&month=14&season1=2010&ind=0&team=28&players=

Skip was a marginally useful player at his “peak,” (which was more like a Cahokia mound) but he’ll be 32 before next season and he’s on the decline.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for Cahokia Mound reference

I haven’t lived in StL for 16 years, but still do remember my 5th grade class field trip to Cahokia Mounds and how unbelievably boring it was.

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by norlanski on Dec 29, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Elephant rocks was the best field trip I can remember

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there a place in the area called

Johnson Shut-in or something like that. I have a memory of a High School field trip there. Cliff diving/jumping

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 29, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Johnson's Shut-ins is lots of fun.

Was wiped out by the reservoir disaster several years back, but they seem to have finally gotten it rebuilt and reopened. I haven’t been since the reopening, though.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I have, went this last summer with the wife. It's still good fun

There are evacuation route signs everywhere now

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

when I was in grade school

we took a field trip to a Lays potato chip factory. At the end we got a free bag of chips.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Your class got free L:ays?

My grade school sucked by comparison then.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, my school rocked

we also got extended recess one day because they were using a helicoper to install something on the Purina dog food plant next door to the school. The whole school was just watching the helicopter.

The best was in the spring when it finally warmed up and they would open the windows and a breeze would carry in the smell of freshly made dog food.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

We kinda did the same thing at this one factory I worked at when I was younger.

The top part of the press we were building was so big that we had to tear a hole in the roof and have a Chinook drop it in through the hole. The entire plant just stopped for about a half an hour.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that sounds about like what I remember.

It was an enormous helicopter, but I was 10 so everything seemed enormous back then.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If it was a Chinook

they are pretty enormous no matter how old you are.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Too drunk, eh?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ha its sad whenever people talk about their grade school experiences

i always wonder if its weird that i basically don’t remember anything. like i couldn’t name any of my teachers names before 5th grade

by Wombat x on Dec 29, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I went to a very small k-8 school.

Everybody knew everybody and if you got in trouble at school, it usually beat you home.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

At least the school you went to got turned into a HS.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The high school was always a high school

We had a separate grade school and then went to a certain predominately German heritage town for grades 7/8, and then 8th grade was in the H.S. you refer to for both towns

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess I had forgotten all that

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't there to see the changes happen, but in middle of job/location changes we came home for a month in

1996, by which said changes had already taken place and my son had to go to 1st grade in the later town for a month…my old middle school History teacher was the principle by that time…we moved on to new job, then when my son was in junior year I changed jobs again and moved back to my home town and my son wound up graduating from my old HS, my former English teacher was by this time School Councilor (she was a 1st year teacher when I had her as a Freshman)

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

wait for it

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

you guys were a cozy bunch up there, eh?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know much about that up there.

the only contact that we really had with the smaller schools was baseball and maybe FFA and Scholar Bowl.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i was captain of my high school scholar bowl team!

even made it on TV

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

My girls are on their scholar bowl team and I'm quite proud of them

wait is that the one they play like a game show with two teams going against each other game style with buzzers answering questions from a variety of topics?

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

no shit?

Our SB team made it to 12th nationally my junior year. And no, I wasn’t on it.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was called JETS back then.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

we made the Scholastic HiQ show

that was taped for the PBS station in Carbondale. We beat Joppa and lost to Breese Mater Dei…stupid Breese.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking about when you moved to the big city or before?

Cause you were about the same size before right?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was meaning when we went to Salem for HS.

I really don’t remember ever playing Farina or Kinmundy in grade school just in LL.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny as I was obviously not posting the names on purpose

Do you still live in Salem? Perhaps one of these days we could have a mini VEB get together and have a beer/lunch or something as I go through Salem on my way home from time to time.

Also we didn’t have baseball in grade school just little league in summers, but when we got to Jr Hi we had a school baseball program

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

as long as we keep peoples' names out of it

I’m still in Iuka, actually. Sounds fine to me. Tackle Box is from down this way, too. If we could ever catch both of you guys home sometime, we could do that, too. Ever eat at the ABC? or do you have another preference?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Quandt's ABC Liquors Inc sounds great to me

That’s what you meant right? I’ve never been there but if you think it’s good it’s fine with me.

It’s cool that 3 of us from our area are members here! I’d love to meet Tackle Box as well, always thought that was a cool name.

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

They do decent food.

I know the owner and spent a great many of my weekends camped out in there BSing with him. I haven’t been in there in quite a while, he’ll probably have a heart attack.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

shoot me an email so we can coordinate

and send a number so we can properly discuss. Sub-threads are great, though some may hope, and sometimes I would agree it would be good if we could collapse.

However, I don’t know that I would really want to be able to because sub-threads often evolve into something completely different. … Cue Spanish Inquisition skit

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

will do.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Rajah!

Tuning in is thinking of getting a Hornsby Avatar

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we even played you guys in

basketball or track in grade school. We didn’t have baseball, our conference had fast-pitch softball.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as I can remember the only conf sport we had was basketball

And I really can’t remember who the heck we played but imagine it was the same nearby small towns

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

mine was so traumatic i blocked it out

whenever i do finally talk to a shink, that poor bastard has no chance

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it weird that this is the same case, and I'm only 3 years removed from it?

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

my reaction was totally different...

my visit to the Cahokia Mounds is still vivid in my mind. As a 5th grader (might have been earlier), thinking about endless lines of hot amerindian chicks, carrying dirt in buckets made from deer skins, I’m pretty sure my reaction was mostly “WTF, guys we’ve never heard of made a mountain out of dirt, from scratch, and then disappeared?” (except we didn’t have the “WTF” expression yet).

That’s about the coolest, and tragic-est, thing a DIY-minded 12yo could imagine. Seriously, looking back, it ranks up there with RingWorld in terms of awesomeness, and “the fucking pyramids” in terms of “how the **** do you convince an entire civilization to do that”! I hadn’t actually read “RingWorld” yet, but otherwise, I guess you could say that visiting that dirt mound totally fueled my impending midlife crisis in a visceral way that learning about Alexander the Great never really could. (seriously). And I’ve been to several cities named Alexandria.

Not sure if that’s a good thing, or not. But I’d rather my kids at least have the opportunity to think about things that make them envision greatness, and reach down and touch it, rather than blind them with numbness.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 29, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I somehow grew up in St. Louis without ever actually taking this field trip.

Anyway, this reminds me of an episode of the cartoon Invader Zim. Zim discovers that the ancient Martian civilization worked their butts off turning Mars and Mercury into giant spaceships. He asks a Martian hologram why they did this.

Hologram: My people worked themselves into extinction making our planet a working vessel!
Zim: Why would you do that?
Hologram: Because it’s cool!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome!

Obviously teaching critical thinking skills wasn’t a big deal at my jr high/middle school. Asking "is it (or, “was it”) a good thing to build ginormous dirt mounds" is another subject entirely, one that I am now embarassed that I didn’t ask ;)

For the grade school teachers out there, if my teacher who took me to the mounds had raised questions like that, I’d probably remember his/her name.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

When you climbed to the top, it felt like you just climbed a mountain. Felt the same way about going to Garden of the Gods for the first time as a kid.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I was more impressed with the Snake mound than the rest.

To think that they made this giant snake out of dirt and made it as seemless as they did is just amazing.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what she said?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 31, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I should admit something:

When the word “arrow” hit my eyeballs and messages were first being sent to my brain, the first thing I assumed was that you were making an “arrow in the knee” Skyrim joke.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 31, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

An idea

Could we have him in the clubhouse, so he sets a good example and adds to the chemistry, but never actually play him?

Maybe make him a coach but not tell him?

That way he doesn’t take up room on the 25-man or 40-man.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Dec 29, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Skip for first base coach!

I’ll be he gives shoulder rubs with the best of ’em!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

is he tall enough to give shoulder rubs?

btw, nice sig. Abe Simpson is the best

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think as a first base coach, he would wave players to slide into first

much like players do when heading home on a bang-bang play?

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Hm... maybe he'd be better as a bench coach or something.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Clubhouse attendant.

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by The Continental on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

he could be like 2011 Waino...

super-duper cheerleader. Only, we can have him come in every-so-often and hit grandslams while Carp screams profanity from the dugout so loudly that it is audible on television.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Too much recommended head-first sliding.

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by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Just imagine what he could do as a first base coach

The possibilities are endless

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the way you think!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Now that you mention it...

…could Skip be in the dugout for some kind of coaching/managing training?

I know Whitey told a similar story in his memoirs. Mediocre substitute infielder finds himself being mentored by the manager into… managing.

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by Shloz on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Rally Adron anyway.

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by The Continental on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have this guy


…oh, wait

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The better shot

is when he tries to hug Yadi after the triple, and Yadi is all like “Don’t touch me, man”.

Gif, anyone? I wouldn’t know where to start.

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by Shloz on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Towel boy

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

This

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Leave chemistry to the chemists

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 5:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Does Kozma have severe OCD as well?

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

No, his dad is named Retep.

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by TBender on Dec 29, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

If Kozma does have ADHD,

I hope he starts taking medication like Andres Torres so that everything clicks and he turns into a productive big-leaguer.

“With the medication, everything started clicking,” said Torres, who was traded to the Mets this month. “From then on, it changed.”

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by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The actual Torres story

Is a bit different than that.

But Kozma could use a conversation about what good mechanics actually look like.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would he be lying in the article, do you think?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

He's not lying

But some people want to play up the ADD angle more than other angles (which is fine and understandable but not the whole story).

The truth is a mix of mechanics and ADD.

The bottom line is that he wouldn’t be where he is if he just got his ADD under control because his mechanics would still be flawed.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Dec 29, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

This quote is from Torres himself.

What reason would Torres have to play up the ADHD angle more than other angles?

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by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll interject here

perhaps getting the ADHD under control allowed him to focus better on improving his mechanics.

/didn’t read the article, just butting into the conversation.

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by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That's part of it, but the timeline and sequence is still off

Probably the best way to describe what happened is that the improved mechanics got Torres on the right path and the meds helped him stay on the path (most of the time).

However, and again, there wouldn’t have been any story if Torres hadn’t gotten his mechanics right.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they were making made a movie about his struggles with ADHD

And obviously he’s trying to help people with ADHD and serve as a source of inspiration.

The story is much simpler if it’s told as…

1. Struggled before meds.
2. Succeeded with meds.

As is typical, reality is more complicated than that.

P.S. I believe that greenies weren’t popular solely because of their serving as an energy booster.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure the meds had some role to play...

…but the mechanical changes were very important.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Dec 29, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

What irritates me some

Is that the story is being cleaned up, and some important things are getting glossed over. For instance, Torres still struggles with side effects of his meds.

One of the side effects is insomnia, and Torres had a huge problem with insomnia in 2011. When the Giants came through in May of 2011, Torres and I talked a lot. One thing that eventually came up with that he wasn’t sleeping well; he generally didn’t get to sleep until 5AM or 6AM. I figured that was due to the MLB lifestyle (many of my texts from him come in the middle of the night), but I eventually realized that that wasn’t it. I may have helped understand that what he was dealing with in 2011 were side effects, but by then it was too late to save his season.

Boog would have made that play.

by thepainguy on Dec 29, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i think he might not appreciate

this information being shared

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by d-dee on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

if nothing else

this feels like a bridge being burned. ouch.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

The talk of greenies in baseball always makes me think of Doc Ellis's interview

About his no hitter while tripping on acid

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 10:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

but we give it to children

it must be OK!

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

He'd have to get a waiver from MLB for ADHD medication.

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by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just reading

at BP article about “new” GMs…

www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Dammit mo

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 5:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I can do that too!

Pete Kosma is a much worse SS than Nomar Garciaparra.

See how easy it is?

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not actually a crazy comparison to make.

Another example: “Compared to Nomar Garciaparra, Pete Kozma is a bad shortstop.”

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Quote:
We did that by starting off today by taking a young shortstop (Pete Kozma) who has the tools to play shortstop. He’s a good runner. He’s a good fielder. He’s got good hands. He’s got a good arm. And most importantly for us – he can hit. He doesn’t have a lot of power right now, but neither did a lot of power-hitting shortstops until they got further into the minors. Our scouts compare him to Nomar Garciaparra, a guy who developed power a little bit later.

- Jeff Luhnow, 2007

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by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha

OK, kind of hard to whitewash that…

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe he means the Nomar from the second half of his career.

You know, the one who played for the Cubs, Dodgers and Athletics

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah!

that Jeff Luhnow is a smart dude.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Mo can swap him to the 'Stros for Wallace . . .

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by akaitori on Dec 31, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

So that was directly after he was drafted, and that's what his scouts said about him

Are you guys really taking that seriously?

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this says more about how ridiculous it is to compare 18 year old high schoolers

to former All-Stars than anything else. His TOOLS reminded people of Nomar (big, good range, soft hands, cannon arm) but his SKILLS haven’t come anywhere close to that level at this point.

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by fourstick on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And we expect him to turn the Astros around

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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

dah

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Extrapolating from this progression

it looks to me like in several years Matt Carpenter will have the world’s biggest smile, and will be hugged by several Mark McGwires at all times. Sounds like an excellent clubhouse presence to me.

by Robth on Dec 29, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Should we campaign to bring the frosted tips back?

I mean, he’s one earring away from being in a bad boy band in that first picture.

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by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The 2nd picture does not answer one important question

“Maybe he’s born with it, maybe it’s Maybelline?”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Frosted tips and a half-shirt.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Hm, I like where this is going...

He already takes lots of walks. Now he just needs to get more upper-cutty with his swing.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Corey Haim

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

not enough DAR

cut him

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

what do the Daughters of the American Revolution have to do with it?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So much more than you know.

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by hazel on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm starting to smell another National Treasure movie.....

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You are biased.

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by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

look all i'm saying is that if we're going to have allen craig, tyler greene, and kyle mcclellan on this team

we can’t afford to kick out the best looking guy we have

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody is trying to kick Jaime out.

Why would you infer such a thing?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No she's talking about Freese

WHY ARE THEY KICKING OUT FREESE?!

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

azru was implying i'm biased against mcarp because he would take freese's spot

i don’t care where the guy plays, he’s patently unattractive

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

She should have said Freese, then,

instead of the best looking guy we have. Which is totally Jaime. And I will knife fight anyone who says differently.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

would you knife fight spants?

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course.

Particularly since she seems to have deserted. I treat deserters like the French Foreign Legion treats deserters.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well prepare to be knife fighted

En guard!

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks a bunch, jack.

I just tried to stab my computer screen.

This is shaping up to be a very bad day.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I once punched my computer screen

It ain’t slow-loading anymore.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

amateur

it’s Carp

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by d-dee on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

i agree actually

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Waino is better looking than Freese.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

well that's just, like, your opinion, man

but also: no, no he’s not.

i have an urge to create tiers of best looking cardinals

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm female

And yes he is,.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, the "man" is part of the quote

we will have to agree to disagree

clemsongirl thought colby rasmus was the best looking guy on the team. i thought he looked like he got kicked in the face as a child. to each their own.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Spants doesn't like Freese either

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Freese just fine.

He is simply not as attractive as Waino.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

its definitely a preference

freese and waino are the all-american look; jaime is mysterious and brooding

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

My top 4

Waino
Jaime
Carp
Freese

In that order.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

welp rb is going to knife fight you now

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Bring it on.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey!

Stop scheduling knife fights for me! I have a very busy schedule, and don’t want other people making promises I can’t keep!

I will get to my various streetfighting appointments when I can, alright?

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

this reminds me of the 1993 Three Musketeers

where D’Artagnan is set to duel each of Athos, Porthos, and Aramis in succession.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds of the 1844 Three Musketeers

where D’Artagnan is set to duel each of Athos, Porthos, and Aramis in succession.

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by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It's been too long since I read the book.

I thought that was just in the movie.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

They made a book of the Three Musketeers?

Was it as good as the movie?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It sucked.

At least with the movie you’re in and out in a couple of hours. Took way longer to read the book.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The book couldn't capture the intricacies, imagery, and plot twists w/o being too long then

Who played Constance de Bonacieux in the book, Julie Delpy or Raquel Welch?

mmmmmmmmmmmmm Raquel Welch wearing a plunging neckline … if not Raquel the movie must definitely be better

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got to vote for Raquel.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

hotness defined

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually reading the unabridged

Count of Monte Cristo right now. Waaaaaayyyyy too fucking long. He gets betrayed, goes to prison, escapes, gets the treasure, transforms into the Count….and there are still 1200 pages left. That Dumas was one wordy son of a bitch

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Dec 29, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he was a real Dumas

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, yes he was.

I’ve read the abridged version. Never wanted to tackle the unabridged.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I picked up the abridged version in an airport once

and was enraged. It left out major pieces of the plot and was totally incomprehensible.

And, yes, Dumas was wordy: he wrote for serialization and got paid by the page.

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by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man

I had to read that book for summer reading going into seventh grade. We bough the unabridged and I about shit myself at how long it was. I barely finished the abridged version.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Man those books are so fun

I’ve read the first two, and someday I will read the rest. Apparently Spanish red wine huge in France back then (or maybe Athos just had a thing for when it was constantly getting drunk).

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyway

I’m pretty sure that the proper analogy of Musketeers to Ninja Turtles goes thusly:

Raphael = Athos
They’re both broody but the most awesome of the bunch in some ways.
Michelangelo = Porthos
Fun-loving and a little superficial, they provide comic relief.
Donatello = Aramis
They are both “learned geeky types”, Donatello being a science nerd and Aramis with his devotion to the clergy.
Leonardo = D’Artagnan
Not the most interesting of the bunch, but the all-around guy who is the natural leader.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I now have a beginner's knowledge of the 3 Musketeers.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The Turtles are a lot like the Musketeers

The key differences are: the Musketeers drink wine instead of eat pizza, they all have mistresses, and they are all French.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

and none of them say

‘Cowabunga’

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet the Musketeers don't have any shirts as hilarious as this:

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wise man say:

“Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza.”

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

(French instead of Italian, obvs)

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you've got the beginnings of an MA Thesis in Lit/Crit there

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by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think pretty much any small enough group of adventurers in literature

can be paralleled to the Turtles. The Iliadic heroes work OK as well, but I think I’ve already talked about that on VEB.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's for the PhD dissertation

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

So what you're saying is that I should start applying for grad school now

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Beats working for a living

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by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously though

Like Star Wars, the Turtles are such nice and easy archetypes that it’s not too hard to come up with these parallels. It’s kind of a Joseph Campbell thing, I guess.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, yeah, you'll have to get Campbell in there,

in the survey of literature, along with Jung and Stith Thomson and Lord Raglan and Georges Dumezil

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by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

and Carlos Beltran.

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Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

where does beltran fit in

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He's okay, but doesn't turn me on.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i think he's more attractive than jaime

(please don’t kill me RB)

but none of them really turn me on. except maybe carp in a suit.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Carp in nothing would turn me on more.

The guy oozes testosterone out of every pore.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

...

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Too pretty for my taste.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

His eyes look weird to me.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

that's because they're piercing your soul

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be...

“Look into my eyes, bobo… I’ve been worth 60+ fWAR already and I’m not even 35 yet. Your mind says fringe hall-of-famer, but your heart says first ballot!”

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

this

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

because they're piercing your soul?

ha give me some IHB

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

o/

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

\o

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks IHB, recently I was left hanging for like 3 days before VBheck saved me

props to you and VBheck!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

this could have gone in an entirely different

direction had you not posted the high five

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

you know I love you gdm

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

gdm I will never break your heart so if a post I make seems

like a smartass comment go ahead and know that it was meant in the light hearted manner in which it will have been intended

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i just can't take that chance

i’ve loved too often & heard the same thing. and what happened? my heart got broken each & every time

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

o/

ahhhhhh c’mon over here

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

that's cold

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

you are still leaving me hanging?

wait what did you say! hahahahaha

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't even wanna know.....

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

In the

Cindy Crawford subcategory.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Beltragnan?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually its

Waino
Waino
Holliday
Waino

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Holliday would be 5 on my list

He would be higher if he had hair.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i think your overlooking

his massive arms

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not an arm gal.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Holliday is just a massive marble slab of manliness

If I were a woman (or otherwise attracted to men) I’m pretty sure I’d have dreams about posing with him on the cover of a trashy romance novel.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

posts like this will not help your tranny confusion

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Confusion?

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i will add hollidome

need one more

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone should do a fanpost where we can vote

on the Sweet 16 of the best looking Cardinals.

I would do it, but you know – #LazyHootie

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i can do it

should it be the top 16 of all time? (well, maybe since like 1990)

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

hell, if you went back to 1990, you could probably expand it to 64

Round 1 would be Waino (1) vs Willie McGee (16)

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that is too much work.

how can i seed these guys? that is too subjective. i have to list the first 16 in no particular order, then seed them out after that, i think.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I always thought Dirty Dan was rougedly handsome...

but I’m a man… so… (runs away)

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by pattimagee on Dec 29, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And he does this thing when he's in the batters box where he...

uhh… nevermind… (runs away again)

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by pattimagee on Dec 29, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

rougedly?

so, he’s reddish?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

rugged? I lost the 5th grade spelling bee on scary...

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by pattimagee on Dec 30, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

you'll need some objective 3rd party to rank them.

do you know any girls who don’t like baseball and/or don’t follow the cardinals?

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but since they don't like baseball

they are not going to want to do this

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

they don't want to sit around and talk about how hot guys are?

I don’t understand women.

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

they're in their 30s

they have other things to do

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if my girlfriend would do it.

she loves talking about the hott Cardinals players.

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by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

this is taking forever

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it really matters

just make sure you have these guys in different brackets
Waino
Jaime
Carp
Freese

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

well i am posting a picture for each dude

and i only have 11 players total right now

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

who do you have so far?

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

you better say Dirty Dan

or me and pattimagee will be disappointed.

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

...

jefferies
edmonds
rolen
zeile
mabry
waino
carp
matheny
jaime
freese
beltran

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

edmonds??

my god, I always felt bad for him cause of how ugly he is. Then again I’m a dude and I go soley by looks.

Then again Freese is so St. Charles frat boy. I totally see him hanging out at Tony’s on Top.

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by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

jim edmonds was voted hottest male athlete in playgirl one year

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

everytime some chick

says a dude is “hot” just because they’re good at sports I always think of Tosh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2TRIVA7Tc&feature=player_embedded

Granted girls are wired for it so it’s stupider when guys do it.

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by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

tosh is so stupid

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I have so much hate for that guy, it surprises me every time I see him.

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haha i love him

but then, i’m kind of a jerk

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by BVHeck on Dec 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Add these guys

Molina
Holliday
Boog
Descalso
Steve Kline

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll add yadi

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife says add Vina

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by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Laird!

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Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
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by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

you are just BEGGING me to post the TLR shingles pic...

then i will be flagged!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

you should be flagged just for thinking about that picture again

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by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

it will never leave my psyche

i am almost convinced that it is burned into my frontal lobe.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

TG does a look a little on the mad side


and when I say mad, I mean in the Rasputin sense. Also, he needs to get rid of the caterpillar on his chin.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

...

He looks like he’s Bruce Banner about to start transforming into the Hulk.

by saul wright on Dec 29, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see this actually, the photoshop guys in the basement could really do something here if he warrents it with decent play this year

Nah clothes are baggy and stretchy doesn’t fit the profile of ripping out of his purple pants

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

it's early yet, in the rage cycle.

ask him again, after matheny had double switched him for a Double Dose of left-handed 3Bman, at SS.

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by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

heh

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

They already did

Laird is going back to the Tigers.

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Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
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by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

So Miller 94 and Lynn 93 ERA+

And Loshe at 86 and Westy at 83. 2013 can’t get here soon enough.

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by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

I know Westy is getting lambasted for last year

But I am hoping he has a turn around, since it is highly unlikely he is dealt. I am not suggesting that he will return to his 4.5 and 3.9 WAR seasons, but I think he will drop his BB/9. His GB% was still at 59% last year, so better MIF D will definitely help him (I am too lazy to compare his pre-happy flight vs. his post-happy flights stats from last year).

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by totalloser on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Shoot, if he can return to his 2.3 WAR days, I'd be cool with that.

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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think it's not unreasonable to hope for average value from Westbrook in 2012.

He should have better infield defense which will play well since his pitching style appeals to the demos. It seems like the projections available right now predict one and a half or so WAR with something like 160-is innings pitched. Hopefully some improved defense and bounce-back in his peripheral stats can get him closer to 2 WAR.

Furthermore, Lohse should be average.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Also his innings per start took a hit in 2011

Maybe they can rebound

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Defense doesn't (shouldn't) effect WAR

I suppose being a groundball pitcher is more valuable on a team with great defense. But the infield defense will be about average this year at any rate, so Westbrook’s extreme groundballiness isn’t a special advantage.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I can hope

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But I forgot that the measures used in WAR wouldn't take that into account

At least in fWAR. (I assume that’s what you mean)

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well in theory, bWAR shouldn't be effected by defense either

Because it adjusts each pitchers’ RA by the overall quality of team defense. Obviously, that’s not how it works in real life, because defense isn’t static across pitchers, but in projections its fair.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know that about bWAR

Cool beans!

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

if he doesn't

he doesn’t play baseball in america next year

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been trying to put some data together

Maybe do a FanPost someday, checking out a hypothesis linking WB’s performance to the MIF behind him.

However, when I look at his lines from 2010 now (i.e. with Boog), I’mstarting to wonder why we signed him in the first place?

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by Shloz on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

He was excellent for the Cardinals in 2010.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember that, but

His lines (at least off of FanGraphs) really don’t look impressive.

And we lost most of his starts.

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by Shloz on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Westbrook is not an impressive pitcher except for his GB rate.

He’s been pretty consistently above average throughout his career with a few really good years at his peak. The Cardinals paid him to be about a 2.0-WAR pitcher, which is right in line with his being above average. The problem is that the pitching was good again in the NL this year and Westbrook was only about average.

Westbrook’s 2010 FIP was 4.22 and his ERA was 4.22. His FIP- was 105 and his ERA- was also 105.

Westbrook’s 2011 FIP was 4.25 and his ERA was 4.65. His FIP- was 114 and his ERA- was 126.

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by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

*eyes cloud over*

I’m just a poor noob! Have some mercy with those metrics!

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by Shloz on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Fielding Independent Pitching is a metric that attempts to measure a pitcher's individual performance.

This is his performance independent of defense. The lower the FIP, the better—like with ERA. FIP is more predictive of future ERA than ERA is of future ERA. Westbrook’s FIP from 2010 to 2011 went up by only three points.

FIP- measures a pitcher’s FIP in relationship to the league average FIP. Average is 100. Above 100 means that a player’s FIP is higher than average, which is bad. The lower, the better. Westbrook’s 2010 FIP of 4.22 was good for a FIP- of 105, which is slightly worse than league average. Westbrook’s 2011 FIP of 4.25 (only three points higher than his 2010 FIP) was good for a FIP- of 114, which is quite a bit worse compared to league average than in 2010. Basically, Westbrook treaded water in his performance but the league improved a bit.

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by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Fucking FIP-

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Why Fangraphs?

WHHYYYY??!?!

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by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it's just annoying

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure Westbrook will be fine

But he’s not better than Lynn, and I’d rather give the young guy a shot.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone seems to be forgetting that they are both on contract years

Meaning they’ll perform like we have never seen before so they can get huge contracts this next season with some other team.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be nice

Contract year myth working out in our favor.

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by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

...
Over the past nine years, 177 players performing in the last year of a contract hit for a collective .282 batting average, with an .824 OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage, an increasingly used measurement of the moneyball era). They also averaged 19 home runs, 51 extra base hits and 73 runs batted in per 500 at-bats.

That’s not much different from their collective numbers from the previous year: .283 batting average, .821 OPS, 19 homers, 51 extra base hits and 74 RBI. Two years before? A .279 batting average and .809 OPS, with 18 home runs, 50 extra base hits and 73 RBI per 500 at-bats.

Link

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

You found the same Forbes article I did, thanks

I’m still digging around for something from Fangraphs.

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by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

try THT

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if that hold true for basketball.

that is where the “Contract Year” seems to make the biggest difference in performance. It seems like there are alot of players coming into contract years weighing 20lbs less.

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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no doubt it would,

as basketball is rigged anyway.

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by RiverRat on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

also, what about the seasons immediately after the contract year?

(i’m at work and don’t have time to read the article…sorry!)

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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Well the next problem with that

Most guys playing in their “contract year” have been playing on single year arbitration contracts too which is basically the same thing. You’d have to do multi-year contracts and compare performance in the last year vs. the prior year, corrected for aging and whatnot.

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by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd imagine it depends on the guy mostly

Subjectively I think it must exist, you put that big of a motivator out there and some people are going to change…..but it’s going to be impossible to really predict. Some guys will bust ass and get in better shape. Some guys will unnecessarily change their workout routine or in some other way let the pressure affect them.

And it can work both ways sometimes e.g. a guy playing hurt to try to show that he’s durable but his performance suffers.

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by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

some guys respond positively to that pressure and other guys respond negatively

same effect as “clutch”

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a lot a bit different IMO

The big, big difference being that contract year guys have 5 months in which they can dramatically change their preparation. Lose 20 pounds, gain 20 pounds, spend 2 months in the batting cage instead of the beach—-whatever, and those dramatic changes can be great OR ill-advised (I shouldn’t have used the word pressure). Losing weight makes a guy quicker/he loses his power, working out harder makes you better/burns you out.

There are legitimate dichotomies any time you change your routine. On top of that, you have no idea who is making those changes, making the measurement in aggregate impossible. Pujols the gym rat super-player I doubt changed much vs. a lazy guy can finally come in shape at the beginning of the year. It just makes measuring the aggregate pretty hard. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t consider a “breakout” year in a contract year a little (emphasized!) more suspect, more than just regression to the mean. You’d have to wonder if the guy was doing something different work-ethic wise.

There are no such dramatic changes with “clutch”. Is hitting in the 9th inning really that much different than hitting in the 8th? vs. the 7th? (Rhetorical, the answer is no [ignoring closer quality]) Better hitters are better hitters, there’s no reason to make it more complicated than that. There’s no real reason to doubt the aggregate data that has repeatedly shown the predictability of it to be non-existent.

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by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Respect =Benjamin

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Kind of.

The power was there but the plate discipline wasn’t

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually his LDs seemed to vanish entirely this year

Which reduced all of his XBH’s, and probably led to the ungodly number of GIDPs.

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by Shloz on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

He had his worst SLG and 2nd worst ISO of his career in 2011

The power was definitely there relative to other players, but was low by Pujolsian standards.

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by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you filter that by just the second half?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

B-ref has it

Here.

SLG first half: .500
SLG second half: .584

So it definitely got better, but not stunningly so. .584 SLG is still lower than his yearly numbers in 2008, 2009, or 2010. And with just looking at half a season, we get into small sample issues.

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by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a fair point

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

By wRC+

2011 was tied with 2002 for Pujols worst year, at 148. In 2007 it as at 151, and then the rest of his seasons are ridiculous.

His 2011 BABIP was also by far the worst of his career.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean this contract year?

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by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Please keep putting up graphs like this

When my boss walks by my office, it will appear more like I am analyzing graphs than reading a blog.

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Pretty glad we don't have him for 10 years, you guys

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

We soooooooo dodged a bullet

In a perfect world he retires a Cardinal. In the world in which we live, no way that works out well.

Something that I have been thinking about recently, do you think to the average fan in the long run-say 15-30 years from now-Pujols will be thought of more fondly leaving as he did, rather than the ‘hypothetical’ scenario where he is a total albatross that sunk the team’s chances for 5 years, with Cardinal fans watching him trot out there for years, a shell of his former self, for 80-120 starts from age 37-41? Makes some assumptions probably not everybody agrees with I suppose. Certainly could turn out differently, but I’m not sure where I come down on that.

by Enigma35 on Dec 29, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it depends on how quickly he slides

into that 80-120 games/year, 100 OPS+, 3 WAR player.

I would have loved to see him retire as a Cardinal, but, realistically, we’ve got a much better chance at having a strong team in the late 2010’s without spending $20M+ each year on a (likely) average 1B. I’m pretty certain, however, that the general Cards fan will look back, 10-15 years from now, and recognize him as a great player, vital cog in three WS trips, etc., etc., but he’ll never get the recognition that a Brock, Ozzie, or Gibby get now (not to mention, obviously, Musial).

by ArkansasTravs on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

There are definitely some exciting prospects in the Cardinals pipeline

and some pretty exciting no-longer-prospects. I hope the Craigen can recover from his injury and build on his promising 2011. I am also really excited for Tyler Greene to get a fair shake. I’ve never been sold on him, but I admit that he’s never had much opportunity to show his true talent.

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by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Last year, he hit poorly in the big leagues but still a better offensive player than Theriot and Schumaker.

He also destroyed the Pacific Coast League last season. His wOBA+ was 123. That’s terrifici—especially so for a middle infielder. I don’t think he’ll post a 123 wOBA+ for the Cardinals in 2012. He probably won’t come close. But the Cardinals need to find out what exactly he can do.

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by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

He did put up great numbers in the PCL

But seems that a lot of people blame his poor performance in the bigs on Tony. I just don’t get why some players’ (Greene and Rasmus) poor performance got blamed partially on Tony. Again, hope i’m wrong!

by Hollirosa on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it might have something to do with:

“You think Skip Schumaker isn’t gonna hit .300!?”

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by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

does anyone have a transcprit of that press conference

I know he said Freese and Albert… But that thing turned into such a meme I’m not sure he didn’t say stuff like…

“you think Dave McKay isn’t going to give out shoulder rubs?” or “You think skip schumaker isn’t going to dive into first?” and finally “you think Carpenter isn’t going to not give a fuck?”

Grit != flat out sucking.

by Evilfrog on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

"You think I'm not going to miss time with what appears to be an alien fungus growing on my face?"

“You think Albert’s not going to fuse his arm bones with sheer force of will?”

People thought he was just talking crazy, but the man was in a prophetic fugue state.

by Robth on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think you just gave me an excuse to post this picture?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I could go a while without seeing that again.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't either.

These narratives are bogus, IMO. I just find it interesting that there is a notion that “Tyler Greene can’t hit in the major leagues” but that his offense last year was basically the same as Skip’s (Tyler: wRC+ 90, Skip: 89). (And even this ignores that Greene is a capable defensive player and Skip is not.)

I just think it is interesting that there these narratives about Greene – TLR put pressure on him that he couldn’t handle, AAAA player, etc. to explain his “poor performance” — but we don’t hear the same narratives to explain Skip’s equally poor performance.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

skipperdoodle performed to his physical limits

most see tg as not doing so
and ask why???

because tlr, what’s not to understand?

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think they're bogus at all actually

specifically in Greene’s case: He has the tools and skills to be better than any player we started at 2B last season and in limited time, he hit and fielded better than anyone that we put at that position for any length of time in 2011 as well. So, why is he down at Memphis destroying the PCL at will while we’re starting the Descalso/Schumaker/Theriot pu-pu platter in St. Louis?

There’s only two individuals to point fingers at: Mozeliak and La Russa. And considering how much Mo was publicly in Greene’s corner last offseason and this offseason, it’s awful hard to point the finger at him. So that leaves Tony. Greene is a bit spastic and makes some boneheaded plays. He also strikes out a lot. I can’t think of two worse attributes for a player fighting for playing time on a La Russa led club.

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by fourstick on Dec 29, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

and "La Russa" suspiciously retired

just a few months after trading well-known Larussa spy and international Rasmus aways for kittles and bits. HMMMMMMMM.

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by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't blame Greene's ML on Tony

He was still better than Theriot and Schumaker.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick Stavinoha hit in the minors too...

Now, I don’t think TG will be as bad as the Stav infection or anything…just sayin’

by stlfan on Dec 29, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Albert Pujols also hit in the minors

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I know...

I’m just being captain obvious and saying that a lot more guys hit at AAA than do at the MLB level. It’s the same with AA vs. AAA and A+ vs. AA and so on.

by stlfan on Dec 29, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, no one thinks Greene is going to hit particuarily well in the majors

But ZIPS projects a .308 wOBA next year when you include SB/CS, and that’s a very good mark for a + defensive shortstop.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope they are right for sure.

I was excited about his speed and defense last year – especially after watching The Riot in the field…but it just never materialized completely.

by stlfan on Dec 29, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Did he?

Last year, while idiot Al H. was prattling on about the injustice of Stav not being called up while amassing 109 RBis in the PCL, Stav was actually a below average hitter in AAA.

Stav’s wRC+ last year was 97. That was 145th in just the PCL among those with 150 PAs and seventh just among Redbirds, behind Tyler Greene (155 wRC+), Mark Hamilton, Matt Carpenter, Andrew Brown, Shane Robinson, and Aaron Luna.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

We have to remember...

…that he is basically in his prime age wise, at some point soon he will start to decline. The Cardinals to this point have not appeared to consider him a long-term solution to any problem and now age has caught up with him to the point where he cannot be a long term solution.

I probably is to the point where it is in the teams best interest to play him in situations (platoon splits and against weaker pitchers) to maximize his value for a trade.

by BigJawnMize on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Tyler Greene is entering his age 28 season.

David Freese is entering his age 29 season. In your opinion, is Freese a long-term solution at third base?

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by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

No

Outside of Freese’s local hero angle he is expendable. I would consider him a prime prospect to be traded from the major league roster, he is blocking younger players of similar talent.

by BigJawnMize on Dec 29, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly don't care if Tyler Greene is a "long-term solution."

I care that he performs well this year, and maybe next, as a starting or platoon option at 2B or as SS if Furcal gets injured.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

uh...

…yeah. That would be exactly what I was saying. They need to play him to max his value and then trade him.

by BigJawnMize on Dec 29, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

for what it is worth

This morning I was reading over yesterday’s late thread and noticed
there was a lot of discussion about signing Roy Oswalt and I would
like to see this. He could have something left in the tank.

I have always liked Oswalt and he has always reminded me of Robin
Roberts. They are the exact same size, same build and if you were to
watch video of them, you could hardly tell the difference.

Yet Roberts is a HOF’er that was a workhorse that pitched over 300
innings a season for 6 years in a row and had a career that almost span
20 years and was extremely over worked for most of it.The Phillies
pitched him to death.

Roberts pitched in the days when teams used a four man rotation and
it seems to me that pitchers lasted just as long. Do teams coddle pitchers
too much now and is four days rest really necessary or have pitchers
just become accustomed to it. And now pitchers like Oswalt and Roberts
are considered to be too small when there was a time when pitchers over 6 ft
4 were often looked at as being too big.

Anyway here are 2 links, first one is Oswalt and the 2nd one is Roberts. I
invite you to give a long study of what Roberts did, you will be astounded
at his record, Only Warren Spahn record compares to the amount of innings
pitched,
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oswalro01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/roberro01.shtml

by ridgesee on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Did Roberts have a nagging back problem that drove down his IP totals?

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

No he didn't bgh

and I thought about that and that is definitely and issue. You would have to explore just how serious it is before signing him.

by ridgesee on Dec 29, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I wasn’t sure of Roberts’s injury history. I assumed Roberts had to be relatively healthy because of his longevity but wasn’t sure.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting stuff, and a player I really didn't know anything about

Thanks!

Things that jump out to me about Roberts: amazing that he led the league in innings pitches so many times while also leading in K/BB and walking so few batters. At first I thought he must have been a groundball specialist par excellence, since his strikeout rates seems pretty low to me (they remind me of Kyle Lohse and Westbrook). But then I checked the yearly averages on Fangraphs and realized just how few strikeouts there were back then compared to today. So he actually struck a lot of guys out relative to his peers. So, relative to the years in which he pitched, his profile looks a lot more similar to Oswalt than I thought at first.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's ,like I said

They look a lot alike, almost the same pitches, mechanics etc. It was just that Robert could pitch and would pitch with a lot of aches and pains and the Phillies especially rode that. If he gave up four or five runs, they would take him out, they would get at least 7 or 8 out of him and hope for a comeback. That strategy is not used much today.

by ridgesee on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting fact

Frank Lane Card ,GM in 1955, got involved in trade talks with the Phillies on trading Stan Musial for Robin Roberts. When word got out it caused an uproar in St. Louis and Gus Busch put a stop to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lane

by ridgesee on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Iiinteresting

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess this is a good place to talk about

finally having a conversation with pet prospect Jeremy Patton. He told me he is a NRI to spring training, which I didn’t expect to hear. He also offered information about who he hears from in the organization (mostly the scout that recommended drafting him, but sometimes John Vuch, and Luhnow before he left).

Also, it was cute how he thought he had to explain the 40 man to me.

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by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Looks interesting

The BB/K number jumps out. Reminds me of Kolten Wong’s batting stats, only with a lower BA/BABIP and a little less power.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

(Also at a lower level and obviously not as good all-around)

But now I will remember his name and look out for daily box score references at Future Redbirds.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If azru is interested

I’d see if he would be willing to do an interview either for here or FR. He’s a pretty laid back kid, so I think he’d be up for it. I

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by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you have to go through the organization for this sort of stuff

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

well have your people approve it then

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by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The organization prefers that and they're extrremely helpful in setting it up.

Not all of the kids are diligent about returning calls though.

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by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i must have missed this story

why is he your pet prospect

and HOW DO I GET IN TOUCH WITH THE ROSENTRAIN?>?!?!?!?!?!?

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Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

when my wife got pregnant

she stepped down as volleyball coach at the high school she teaches at. The girl they hired to replace her is Patton’s girlfriend. He has been substitute teaching at the school during the offseason. We’ve crossed paths a few times, most recently at a high school basketball tournament. This was the first time I’ve actually gotten to talk to him. Usually the old parents are hanging all over him trying to score some brownie points for their daughters.

So, basically have your wife quit her job and have Rosenthal’s girlfriend/SO take her place.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

my wife is currently a stay at home mom

that could be….awkward

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i should clarify

my wife is a professional photographer who has significantly cut back on the amount she works to stay with our son

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

that's awesome

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Does your wife read this blog?

Because the two-step you just did to clarify makes me think she does.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's pretty clear mine doesn't

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

very clear

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

haha...no

just wanted to get it right

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Patton is the kid who went to Jeffco for awhile, right?

Plays third, a little second, isn’t big but sure can hit?

I really wish I had known he was some kind of player when he was playing for Jeffco. That’s literally four minutes from my parents’ house.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he went to FIU, but I don't know about JeffCo

his hometown is listed as Harviell, MO, which isn’t even really a town. Assuming I get another chance to talk to him before he reports I’ll ask what that’s about.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he attended

the alma mater of Mark Buerhle before he transferred down to Fla International.

I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.

by the red baron on Dec 29, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Off Season

it’s been known to affect fans in the most peculiar ways…

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Dec 29, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

#lazyprophetjohn.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Some fun/interesting items from non-Cardinals ZiPS projections

Rockies
- Troy Tulowitzki projects as their best offensive player with a 126 OPS+. He is a SS.
- Todd Helton is looking at a .267/.356/.402 line for a 93 OPS+. He is a 1B.

Braves
- Craig Kimbrel’s ERA+ is projected at 177.
- Chipper Jones, at age 40, projects for a .260/.343/.438 110 OPS+.

Astros
- The Astros have two players that project to be better than league average. Both are corner outfielders.

Dodgers
- Matt Kemp can hit for power projected with a .223 ISO but with a good, not great .348 OBP.
- Vicente Padilla still projects as a league average-ish starter.
- Hong-Chih Kuo (lefty) is listed with a 112 ERA+ and 47 strikeouts in 40 innings. (We signed J.C. Romero.)

Twins
- 7 of the top 8 hitters for the Twins are either left handed or switch hitters.
- Deolis Guerra, centerpiece of the Johan Santana trade in 2008, projects for a 6.96 ERA at age 23.

Giants
- Andres Torres projects for a .235/.311/.394 line.
- You can stick a fork in Bill Hall’s .219/.274/.363 line.

Mariners #6org
- Franklin Guitierrez projects for a .248/.299/.358 line.
- Nick Franklin, who got most of the playing time in the AFL over Ryan Jackson, projects for a 74 OPS+ at age 21.
- The Mariners rotation is terrible. Two above average starters and tons of crap.

Angels
- Mike Trout projects as a top 3 offensive player. Age: 20
- The Angels REALLY needed Albert Pujols in their lineup.
- Vernon Wells projects for a .255/.298/.422 95 OPS+.

White Sox
- Adam Dunn looking at 184 strikeouts in 450 ABs.

Tigers
- Miguel Cabrera is still pretty good: .310/.406/548. 43.7 Career WAR – how many more years does he need to play to be a HOF? Number 1 comp: Manny Ramirez.
- Rick Porcello projects better than Kyle Lohse or Jake Westbrook with a 4.57 ERA 93 ERA+. Yes, still a little bitter.

Mets
- R.A. Dickey is the second best starter on the team.
- Someone should dig up some old Jason Bay threads and see who advocated for him over Holliday. Projection: .249/.344/.419

Phillies
- Ryan Howard’s contract extension starts soon right? .
- Cliff Lee = Roy Halladay = Really Good
- Roy Oswalt has a 108 ERA+ projection with nearly a 3:1 K:BB rate.

(I got distracted at work and got bored with this. Skipping Cubs, Red Sox & Yankees. Deal with it.)

Former Cardinals (Not comprehensive)
- Joe Mather: .245/.298/.357; 73 OPS+
- Brett Wallace: .258/.322/.403; 97 OPS+
- Nick Stavinoha: .248/.289/.411; 89 OPS+
- Adam Kennedy: .258/.307/.362; 83 OPS+
- Alex Castellanos: .239/.292/.389; 85 OPS+
- Aaron Miles: .260/.297/.328; 71 OPS+
- Blake Hawksworth: 4.19 ERA; 90 ERA+
- Mike MacDougal: 4.29 ERA; 88 ERA+
- Mark DeRosa: .244/.300/.277; 59 OPS+
- Brendan Ryan: .245/.302/.322; 75 OPS+
- Terry Evans: .219/.264/.346 62 OPS+

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions   5 recs

Helton was also the oldest everyday first baseman in 2011 at age 37.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

that's exactly what I thought and I'm creeping their fangraph pages as we speak.

www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

that was a reply fail to chipper jones.

www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy shit Chipper Jones.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Also a good comparison for Pujols aging

He’s aged about as well as humanly possible and he’s still been <3 WAR the last 3 seasons….and you’d have to pay him for the next two years to get through the age 41 season. Not nearly as good as Pujols to start, but basically the good-case scenario is eating 4 years on that contract.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

but he still "looks" like a ball player.

:D

www.stlgatekeepers.com
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

technically, he looks like a walrus.

But he’s sensitive about that, so we had to change his nickname. Though I have no idea what we changed it to.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Non-starter?

Not-good-enough-start-on-the-worst-team-in-the-league’s-roster? A-bag-of-balls?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I refuse to acknowledge that I was wrong about Wallace.

I’ll patiently wait for his breakout year.

When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
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by Paulspike on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss my Walrus....

:=8(

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Dec 30, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, we really did a lot in 09

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

hahah

Mark DeRosa…

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

can i get a link to the angels zips

or just what trout’s projections are?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Here:

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/2012_zips_projections_-_los_angeles_angels1/

.267/.338/.414, 106 OPS+

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

TY

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

damn, he's a hell of a prospect

anyone know what FR means in the defensive projections?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Fo' Real

Fair
F’n retarded
FRanklin’d

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Fair…would that be above or below average

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fair

and it means below average

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Fringe sounds much cooler and means the same thing

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Fringe I think

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I was hoping it was "fuckin rancid"

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Future Redbird, of course

they know something we don’t

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Vomit

Do you know how many prospects I’d need to brush up on if that were the case?

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't look at the link

and assumed he was talking about Trout. You’d have more time for prospecting if you’d stop wasting your time reading all those books.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

So many addictions

they battle each other.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

A guy who projects to do that as a 20-year-old is pretty darn good. Not exactly Ken Griffey Jr. but pretty good.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That Stavinoha projection is way too high

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

that is his projection in Japan

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Who the fuck is Terry Evans?

I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.

by C@rdball on Dec 30, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

except maybe this!

TWO TIMES IN ONE THREAD!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

next time i see this i'm flagging it

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Keith Law to Houston?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

His lips were all over Luhnow's backside when he got hired...

honestly, the job Law currently has is ideal for him.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

that link brings you back to this post

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

thatsthejoke.jpg?

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

don't do it Luhnow!

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably Cox with the bat

But with Wong’s ability to stick at 2B vs 3B. Wong will probably end up being more valuable

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

let's not get racist in here

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

You mean, long term?

Who’s got better wood?

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it's not the length of the term

it’s what they do with it!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Fangraphs:

Worst Defenders Since 2002 by UZR/150

It makes me sad to see Ken Griffey, Jr. on this list.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
Braves, Rays, Mets Interested In Ryan Theriot

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

The managers are all too young for Theriot to drive to retirement

I say the Reds pick him up

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This makes me feel good - sorry if already linked

Wagonmaker

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

Wainwright:
“They want me to test it. That (ligament) is stronger than the day I was born. It’s double tight. I think at some point you just have to let go of the reins and just pitch.”

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/wainwright-expects-to-excel/article_9884c9a4-59a3-56ae-9c0a-5ebc4b586632.html#ixzz1hwrxvpM8

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like they really want to trade Adam Jones

"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson

by cyclone on Dec 29, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

actually looks like the M's fans just want him back.

Not sure why the #6 org in baseball would risk trading with the Orioles, again. Yikes. But if we picked him up, I’d like to see him moved to 2B, which is what should have happened in the first place, rather than trying to teach an SS to play CF.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice post

I prefer baseballprospectus prediction of 3 WAR for Carpenter – last year!!! Really we look pretty well “backed up” depth chart wise.

Good depth
1B – Craig/Adams/Hamilton
3B – Carpenter/Craig/Cox
OF – Berkman/Craig/Chambers/Rule5/Carpenter
SP – Miller/Lynn/McClellan/Scrabble/Cleto/Dickson
RP – Sanchez/Reifer/Cleto/Ottavino

OK depth
C – Andersen/Cruz

Bad depth
SS – Greene/Descalso
2B – Schumaker

So basically – we need a MIF? How about the Japanese dude the Yankees signed?

by Lawless on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Totally OT: BN -- Top ten hitting pitchers

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/29/2668063/top-ten-list-best-hitting-pitchers-of-all-time

Bob Gibson — nowhere to be found.

Have I completely lost my objectivity or is this list flawed?

"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson

by cyclone on Dec 29, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

it's fairly safe that Al lost his objectivity a long time ago.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah...

Gibson was no where near the top 10.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

.206/.243/.301 career

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

it looks like this list is just OPS-based

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I'm biased by his 1970 season

303/.347/.404 in 124 PA

That and the WS homers

"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson

by cyclone on Dec 30, 2011 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOO

Our IF is number 6 in MLB, according to Buster Olney
1.) Rangers 2.) Reds 3.) Yankees 4.) Red Sox 5.) Angels 6.) Cards 7.) Phillies 8.) Rays 9.) Natonals (again!?) 10a.) Royals 10b.) White Sox 10c.) Rockies
Nationals have been on everyone of his top 10 lists so far, are they really that good?

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

lol Reds #2??

That’s just nuts. Where are the Brewers?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

phillips and votto are very good

so it’s not that out there. especially compared to other olney lists…

Don't say hi to me.

by chalk on Dec 29, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose...

They look to be getting very little from two of the four positions. How can that be the second best infield in baseball?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Only lists "top 10" though with his 10as and 10bs it's usually 11 or 12

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

On the Reds he says,
Joey Votto is arguably the best hitter in the National League, and he’s a special defensive player as well. Brandon Phillips is the best all-round second baseman, with Gold Glove Awards to show for it.

Third baseman Scott Rolen is a borderline Hall of Fame candidate, and if that sounds crazy, compare his résumé to that of Ron Santo, who will be inducted next summer:

Seasons: Rolen 16, Santo 15
Games: Rolen 1,946, Santo 2,243
Hits: Rolen 2,005, Santo 2,254
Homers: Rolen 308, Santo 342
OPS: Rolen .860, Santo .826
OPS+: Rolen 123, Santo 125
Gold Gloves: Rolen 8, Santo 5

Rolen had shoulder surgery in August to clean out scar tissue, and the word is he is feeling much better and is greatly encouraged by his range of motion.

The significant question about the Reds’ infield is at shortstop, where Zack Cozart is expected to take over in 2012 after a brief audition was cut short by injury.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

problem is

he’s been “feeling much better and is greatly encouraged by his range of motion” since like, mid-2005.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

is this in terms of defense or offense or both?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Both

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

On us he says
Lance Berkman takes over at first base, Rafael Furcal returns to shortstop, and the Cardinals are hopeful that Daniel Descalso is ready, at age 25, to be an everyday second baseman. This could be the year that David Freese establishes himself as one of the best third basemen in the sport after his breakout October.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else think this is too many years and too much money for him?
OFFICIAL: @WhiteSox, LHP John Danks agree to five-year, $65-million contract. #HotStove

When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter

by Paulspike on Dec 29, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

yes

The white sox, ever since they won the world series have been making terrible front office moves.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

what do you guys think he is worth?

I must be missing something. I thought he was slightly above average.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 29, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Kyle Lohse disagrees.

"I don't know, but it works. Doin it for Torty works... He brings us luck and we're gonna roll with it." Allen Craig

by pattimagee on Dec 29, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He's quite a bit above average

5.2, 2.9, 4.3, 3.2 WAR the past 4 years

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

And he's still young

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was way too much at first

But yeah, for five years that’s not all that bad for Danks.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a great photo in the post, DanUp

I love that shot…you can see he’s still a) hoping it’s all a dream, and he hasn’t just let go of his bat, and if he just closes his eyes, the bat will still be in his hands, and b) swinging through the pitch, just as though a) was the absolute truth.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

I in no way want to get political,

but I was thinking about this today. If SOPA / IP protect go through, VEB / SBN will be gone. Posting a simple link, or picture to the site would be enough to shut it down. I’m writing letters to my representatives, although I don’t think it will do any good.
/ end politics.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

I think it will probably mean that the ability to post pictures and/or links will be removed from sites like SBN.

That being said, the spirit of the websites will be killed.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that sucks.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 29, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

bgh...

Does that mean doing this would be disallowed or doing this: www.ajskdfa.com would be disallowed?

don’t click those, it’s random BS

by stlfan on Dec 29, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

Its really a horrible piece of crap that I hope doesn’t become a law.

bollocks

by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 29, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Fixed for you

Its really a horrible piece of crap complete bullshit that I hope doesn’t better not become a law.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, all my hope in human reason and ability to think is riding on them passing it or not...

I imagine I will be a very bitter and cynical person as I grow older.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I already wrore my rep about it,

but I hadn’t really thought of the implications for VEB.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote Rzep about it

but I don’t think he cares.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

if something like that happens

it will be incredibly temporary, and the idiots who voted for it will suddenly become very famous, and also suddenly be removed from public service.

Sometimes democracy (or republicanism) is painful, but it seems to work out in the end, if the rules are observed.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

So I dont know muchabout projections

But looking at this, it’s hard for me to get psyched about the future.. average players and platoon guys? What does it stack up against another clubs prospects?

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Dec 29, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

prospects are never projected high

while they are still prospects. Our minor league system, especially the pitchers, is well above average.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

they prospect thing is hard for me to get excited about. I always have a wait and see approach. it took me a few yrs to think that Albert was for real..

Look at Jayson heyward..he came up and the knee jerk was He’s the next_____ i think the jury is still out on him.

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Dec 29, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason

Heyward had a down year, but he’s still going to be phenomenal. He is in absolutely elite company having such a great season at age 20.

Outside perspective. Cardinals have a solid system. Probably top 12, which is great when paired with the major league squad.

The system lacks a bit on hitting prospects, especially when it comes to upside. Wong, Cox, and Adams are all solid prospects, but have limited ceilings. The pitching is amazing though. Miller, Martinez, Jenkins, and Rosenthal just drip upside. I like Tilson too.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously biases

But the cards system has to be top 8, right?

We dO have some hitting prospects, they are just in the low minors

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Eh

It could be. Top 12 was conservative. I haven’t actually sat down and ranked all the system. I guess top 12 is basically a guarantee.

There are some loaded systems this year though. Definitely ahead of the Cardinals

Blue Jays (unless they keep trading)
Diamondbacks
Rangers
Braves

I think you could make strong arguments for the Mariners and Rays as well.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

At the very least...

the Rays, Jays, Royals, Braves, Padres, A’s, Mariners, and Rangers have to have more talent, right?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

.260 BABIP

(Of course the breakout rookie year was semi-predicated on a .333 but still) His batted ball profile is crazy though with 55% GB.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

why can't i preview my fanpost?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

I had this problem the other day

If your pop-up blocker is on, it won’t let you preview

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I couldn't preview a comment just a second ago, doubt they're related though....

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i turned the pop up blocker off and its still not working!

this DAR fan post took me a long time to make damnit

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

2011 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!

by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

It is 49 degrees in my house

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

I imagine you can afford to heat up the house and pay the gas bill

You did just fleece your grandpa out his life savings, afterall.

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 29, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Or you could just burn all the rest of your Pujols merchandise

except if you have any of his rookie cards – might want to hold onto those

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

Do you have the air conditioning on? Are there clothes in your house that you aren’t wearing, cause you should probably put them on?

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a long shot but is anyone here a big reader of 21st-century Batman. RIP, Inc, etc?

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

I just read "The Black Mirror" and it was pretty good.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 29, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here, got it for Christmas and really liked it

Which is why I’m now gonna try to catch up with the new stuff, basically just Grant Morrison’s 5 year reign on Detective Comics and Batman and Robin. However, there are so many TPBs I was wondering if anyone had already read them and could possibly give me some pointers on the order they should go.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Kinda wish I was at the VEB meetup, you guys

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

We'll do a Chicago one if you're willing to drive up (drive up? over? over then up. there we go.)

Oooh, VEB night at a Fire/Sporting game!

The English soccer pub near my place has a shuttle to and from the game. Pay a few bucks over ticket price, and it’s all the PBR you can stand on the way there and back.

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm talking about the Globe Pub, for you Chicagoans

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Old Style is more for Cub fans

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

But you're right about a lot of them liking it

PBR has a more blue-collar rep (just like anywhere else I imagine), and the Cubs are decidedly not blue collar.

I’ve yet to see a Stag up here.

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you hitch a ride on the Sporting KC team bus or something?

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

oops

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew it was one, thought both had been associated with Cubs fans and Wrigley ... also if not blue collar what are they?

And, is your bus filled with Cards fans then since they serve PBR?

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Sox fans

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Sox fans like PBR then?

Haven’t heard any negativity about them, are they cooler than Cubs fans?

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My old man drinks

Steak Tators And Gravy. Not my first choice, but it ain’t that bad

"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"

by elirock83 on Dec 29, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm permanently scarred by the drive between KC and Chicago. Had to do two overnighters in a 3 day period

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you hitch a ride on the Sporting KC team bus or something?

Kumar: I don't know man, I lose my touch, man.
Dignan: Did you ever have a touch to lose, man?

by lightbulb on Dec 29, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know... I actually don't know if I'm flying with the team this year or not

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You flew with them? *drools*

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

me too

you guy

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

It was fun!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

so, you came out?

to the get together I mean

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I was in such a rush and my make-up was all wrong

They were all too polite to say anything though.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

How many Fritz penis jokes?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

None!

It was really weird.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I had to leave a bit early

For all I know they are still there.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I had to head home

My wife is working a brutal 7 PM to 7AM week (the price for her getting Christmas off) and it was time to help her get ready to go (oh yeah, she’s 7 months pregnant too, awesome time to be working nights) and put the kiddo to bed.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

IT'S A 3.5 HOUR DRIVE

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, he's asian

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's 250 miles from here to STL

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, good start!

Now, what’s 250 divided by 70?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

2 hours

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

3.57

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

good

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

you are supposed to wait for Abbot to ask "Who's on first?" before that line

timing, it’s all about timing. Work on it

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of

I made a trip from basically StL to Houston with two of my friends in approximately 12 hours one time.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That is pretty impressive… when I was a kid we used to drive from St. Louis to San Antonio in about 18 hours. Houston is closer but I’m not sure if it’s 6 hours closer.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And when I say "we" I mean my dad drove pretty much the whole way.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

We switched off driving.

I’m pretty sure the engine on my car was glowing.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

Make some fried eggs on there. Nice quick breakfast.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You sure it wasn't


the aliens in the trunk?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

12?!?!?

It’s about 10 hours to Memphis from here, and another 4 to St. Louis.

You were flying.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 30, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, we were.

I don’t even wanna know how fast they were going while I was sleeping in the back.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

actually that'd be a hundo the whole way.

you must’ve been a lot younger when you made this trip.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

define always

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Good God, do you drive 100mph?

It takes me 2 hours to drive from Columbia to St. Louis driving 70mph.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I 70 the whole way.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, nevermind. I'm an idiot.

It takes me 20 minutes shorter. but I’m usually going to West County.

by a fink on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just sayin'.

(Also, I expect to make this trip next year as I have never been to Kansas City before. Please find out all the awesome things there prior to, let’s say, June. Thanks.)

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhh yeah this is happening

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't go to the ASG when it was in St. Louis.

I’m certainly not going to waste my time when I drive to a new city.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't go either.

The only reason I even watched it was because it was in STL.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

BBQ, Sporting KC game, Royals game, and beer

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmmm

Alright. Find some good beer and we will talk when I am ready to make the trip.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Boulevard tour?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Intriguing.

I can’t believe you were ever banned. Shocking.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

you've lived in saint louis your whole life and haven't ever trucked over to KC?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 30, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

jcrasnick: Pujols will make $12M and $16M in first 2 years of $250M deal. Salary increases to more than $30M per year near end of deal.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

wow.

Those Angles really know how to do business.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what

FUCK albert pujols.

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

this this this a thousand times this

if anyone still thinks he’s half the man he’s always said he is they are a gotdamned fool

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

what an asshole

seriously, fuck pujols.

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Dec 29, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah fuck Albert Pooholes

How dare he put up 80 WAR in 11 seasons, lead us to two world championships, and then not take a huge paycut to stay in St. Louis.

Or are you guys all being sarcastic as well?

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He didn't lead us to anything...

he was the third best player on the team during the regular season and the fourth best in the playoffs.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, we probably would have won the WS without Pujols' 5 WAR

And he was far, far, far, far, far and away the best player in 06.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In terms of sheer money, of course

But they’re going to be paying a 42 year old Albert Pujols $30M

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Was supposed to be $3B dollar deal right?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah.

Somebody told me one day (fourstick?) that the actual value wasn’t that much but damned if I know.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the way I read it.

3 billion over 20 years.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks. that's a bit out of my depth.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well they're also paying 32 year old Pujols $12M

Not that the deal isn’t completely ridiculous, but this helps the Angels obviously.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They're going to be paying a 42-year-old Albert Pujols thirty million 2021 dollars ...

having earned interest on $13.4M for 9 years and on $9.4M for 8. Depending on how those other seven years are structured, means they save about $5M on NPV

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by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok

So, back loaded contracts = respect BUT Defferred money = DISRESPECT.

I hope your making notes, there will be a test.

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by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

PUJOLS DISRESPECTED US!!!!!!!!!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the more I learn about Pujols

the less respect I have for him

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Just another sanctimonious asshole.

Talking out one side of his mouth but counting every last penny.

Hypocritical POS.

by RollBirdsRoll on Dec 29, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Respect

Is what YOUR wife tells you is respect.

"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"

by elirock83 on Dec 29, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

influential yes

but dont give Albert a free pass, he’s as much responsible as she is..even if shes twisting his arm..

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Dec 29, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree he owns his decision, he made the deal and signed on the dotted line

Just saying I think she was probably influential. How many / what other wives have been interviewed post contract after a player does anything contractually?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

we are in agreement

just saying he doesnt get a free pass…heard the wife angle a lot not from here

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Dec 29, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

NO FREE PASS FOR HEEEEEM,.....20 YEARS!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

did it? don't know who Chris Benson was

did it go well really?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

OK now I know who Chris Benson is

post google/wiki … WOW

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Kris

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, was jok ... 2nd time

i went and looked him up. I vaguely remembered that story afterward but not the name

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I'm not

Was more of a joke but, after hearing her radio “interview” I lost a lot of respect for them both. You left stl, fine, but you can’t then go and try to play this respect card. Or the it’s not about money card. You took the better money, fine just say that and move on. I see it as greed, whatever else u say rings hollow. In my refined Kenny Rodgers quote: " you gotta know when to fold them, know hold them, and know when to get the fuck out!"

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by elirock83 on Dec 29, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

the pujols crew playing the faith card is making things worse for why they left, not better like they’ve been trying to do. it was all about money all along, and that’s the truth. they can say whatever they want, but money talks.

by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 29, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

it would ruin their rep for saying that, though

and even though it’s already been done, they don’t want to actually see it for themselves.

by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 29, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well not literally

But say “the Angels presented me with the best opportunity (WINK WINK) to finish out the rest of my career”

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Faith card exactly

I couldn’t think of a good 1 word term. No matter what that camp says, they lose in my eyes. You know Al you could be here in stl and in 10 or so years be sitting at opening day with a red jacket next to a bunch of other legends, but instead you took the money and went to Cali. I hope you and Tim Samon enjoy that opening day together instead.

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by elirock83 on Dec 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i believe playing the faith card

loses them merits. Especially when it’s on video etc. about him not going to take more…i was fine with it but really lost intrest in stuff. I’m not saying I would have handled it better, and I do think for them there is a chance to espand their work off field..but yeah the more they talk..

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by punchinjudy on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I might be in a minority, but I can't really see what Pujols did wrong here

Then again, I’m at the point where knowing what I now know about the two deals offered, I would have also signed the Angels deal if I were Albert.

by bailorg on Dec 29, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

$44 million is roughly what I’ll make in 20 lifetimes. It’s not like the offers were close at all. Almost every single one of us, if we are being honest, would have done the exact same thing.

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention,

he’s going to need all that extra money for alimony when Deidra catches him at one of Lozano’s coke and hooker parties.

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm being honest...

and I would’ve swallowed my pride and come back to St. Louis. In St. Louis he had a huge amount of goodwill in the bank. In Anaheim he just has a huge contract to live up to. Hell, he already got booed at least twice just in the opening press conference/introduction.

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by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You are the first person I've ever "met"

that would rather make $210 million dollars living in Saint Louis Fucking Missouri than make between $254 and $280 million living in L.A./Beverly Hills/wherever.

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i think I'd take the Cardinals deal

because I’d absolutely hate living in L.A./Beverly Hills

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by purple_haze on Dec 29, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

this

not just LA, all of California

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's awful

But is St. Louis really that much better? (haven’t been there).

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It always depends on one's definition of "awful"

Every place is awful in certain ways.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

And it all depends on what you like to do. I would move to the place with the most trees and the freshest air, hopefully sunny often.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

well, top spot in murder, stds but only 8th in drunkeness.

my kinda town.

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by rocKStark5 on Dec 30, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt that

But I’m sure its awesome if you are a baseball fan.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I turned on a Marlins/Cardinals game sometime in 2004

And was enthralled with the lineup.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Roger Cedeno must've been playing that day

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved him in Baseball Mogul

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Pujols, duh.

actually I’m always interested to hear how people came to like the Cardinals that didn’t come from around here.

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm admittedly biased

it’s a big city that doesn’t feel big. it has everything i need. and most importantly, it’s not ohio

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

First of all, the difference between $210 million and $254 million is nothing in terms of actual commerce. Second, St. Louis is probably a preferable place to live during the baseball season. Most athletes are eating, sleeping, and competing, so really Beverly Hills doesn’t promise much except a considerable amount of time parked on the freeway.

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by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Albert's probably going to get his own helicopter of hovercar.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I also would stay in St. Louis because I am motivated by things other than money.

I chose to not accept a job that paid substantially more because I would have to relocate and my mother is in assisted living nearby,

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

there are things other than money in California.

I haven’t been there, but I imagine life near the ocean is much better than life near the river.

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Life near my mother is more important to me.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

well Albert doesn't have a mother in a nursing home in saint louis.

I imagine if he did, he would just relocate her to a nursing home in LA

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry I thought the question is what others would do not what Albert would do.

My mother would not move to California or any other place.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess it was more ..

“What would we do if we were Albert?”

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You posited that everyone else would do the same thing as Albert

so I took that as what my thoughts and motivations were, not Albert’s. You would take the deal and there is nothing wrong with that. What others would do in the same situation should not be relevant.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And I have been all over California multiple times

and it is not all it is cracked up to be.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't live in St. Louis

but it is not for everyone. Neither is California.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

There are many aspects that make it desirable...

and many that make it kind of a drag. To say it’s better in absolute terms when you’ve haven’t been there is ridiculous.

Do you have any idea what the commute time is between Beverly Hills or LA and the Angels Stadium? Probably two hours each way.

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by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, he could buy the ballpark and live there.

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by alberich on Dec 29, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to live either high up above the smog (Beverly HILLS)...

or within a mile or two of the beach. Othewise, it’s hot and smoggy. If you work at Anaheim Stadium, you have to choose between traffic and smog. Of course Albert can afford a driver.

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by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

but he can't drink on the way to games so what's he going to do to entertain himself during those long drives?

No that would lead to a high dollar D-I-V-O-R-C-E

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

its not ridiculous at all.

In fact, I bet if you took a random poll of 10,000 people that have never been to either city, at least 9,500 of them would say they’d rather live near LA than live near STL.

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by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

to illustrate how it is common sense that people would

choose LA over STL just based on what they know about the 2 cities.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If you don't know anything about the places...

doesn’t common sense dictate that you should reserve judgement?

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by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe if they are 4 years old,

but if they have above an 8th grade education they’ll know enough about the 2 cities to make the easy decision.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know if you're being serious.

But people buy cars based on looks and color not performance. People are not smart.

by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

there is no common sense about it

it all has to do with someone’s opinion, some people would prefer to live in STL over LA, the same way as some people would prefer to live in Alaska than Hawaii.

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

WSOTY

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by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

worst subthread of the year

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by scoot on Dec 29, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

its bad,

but I’ve seen worse.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

nonsense!

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

what you should do is poll people who've lived in both places

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I've lived in LA for 4 years

Grew in MO, live in KC currently

Can’t speak for STL, really, but i love KC. Hated LA

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i've only visited LA on several occasions

but i mean i really hated it. the traffic is fucking ridiculous. that alone makes me never want to live there.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah and the drivers are all dickbags

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Who designed Atlanta's interstate network anyway?

Its just about the worst design you could have for that city. The best time to drive through there is 3am, but its hard to plan any kind of trip that way.

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i have no idea, i've been there 4 times

and will never go back

my dad was a truck driver & he would never take a load anywhere near ATL unless he could go there like you said late at night.

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by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There is nothing wrong with merging two interstates together

and making them go straight through the heart of the city, and then having them split back out while crossing another interstate.

Nope, absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Also, every street is named Peachtree.

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by TBender on Dec 30, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

where does rolla stack up?

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Low

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

you know the part of the totem pole that you can't see?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

At first i read that as "that can't see"

Thought it was a Fritz joke

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

you'd have to ask his wife about that

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

weak MtF, you are better than that

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I got in trouble the last time.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

oh really

that’s what it was for, although I’m not particularly enlightened to your recent situation, I don’t want to get you … or me for that matter, in trouble

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolla > Kirksville

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 30, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Last thing I'll mention about this...

in 2009, Forbes did a study to determine what cities Americans thought to be the most and least desirable. Topping the list of most desirable were Denver, Seattle, San Diego, Tampa, and Orlando.

Coming in as the least desirable were Detroit, Cincinatti, Kansas City, Minneapolis, and Cleveland.

I’m going to assume that you are smart enough to know which group Saint Louis is most similar to.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

who cares what people think though?

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

KC is awesome

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

HEY I'M NOT BANNED ANYMORE

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

why were you banned?

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Fritz is an asshole

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

he banned you?

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Fritz can ban people?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i assume he's with azru who can

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

We discussed your Sweet 16

Peach thought you needed more men of color. Awfully white

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

wtf

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i know azru told me

i was just going off of what people in comments generally say. i mean i have never heard anyone talk about how handsome brian jordan is.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i did!

there are i think 3

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The comments sections adds some color though

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't realize they were that close

note to self … do not mess with Fritz

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Fritz can't ban people

But he can talk robots into it. It was a group decision

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe?

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

its not a matter of intelligence

its a matter of opinion…obviously there are people that choose to live in Minneapolis or Cleveland. It doesnt make them stupid because they live there instead of Denver or LA.

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

orlando is overrated. the first three on that list are cool though.

minneapolis is really cool. i don’t know why anyone would feel the need to put them on the “worst cities” list.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

probably people that hate wintry weather

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by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

GREAT place to live during the summer though.

if you can handle the winter.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i can't really think of anything good about LA except the weather

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Incredible food and music culture

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

oh true. excellent food.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

most likely. everything is expensive in LA

but i’ve always wanted to go to hell’s kitchen!

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not even remotely close to being true

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it mostly is

That’s where the big advantage in LA lies. The burger joints/diners aren’t anything special.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Pink's Hot Dogs is pretty special

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

Little Tokyo, Koreatown, Little Ethiopia, Monterrey Park

Pink’s, Phillipe the Original, hundred’s more that I’m forgetting

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

what's that burrito place that is awesome and everyone talks about

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

...all of them?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

california burrito!

ha

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that an actual place?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

okay maybe that's not what i'm thinking of

my freshman roommate from anaheim had her parents send her like a freeze-packed box of food from this place.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

but yes it is

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Pink's just tastes like any other hot dog, I don't get it

I haven’t been to any of the “Littles”, so I’ll take your word on that. Haven’t been to Phillipes either.

At least where I live, which is right in the heart of Beverly Hills/Santa Monica, the only really good places are Apple Pan, Norms, Sandbags and Poquito Mas.

Just in Eugene alone, there is a much better breakfast place than anything I’ve been to in LA.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but every true college town has the best breakfast place you've ever been to

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude you missed out on living in LA

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

he was too young

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He had two driving years there

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been to all of the places that are hyped

Inn’n’out (solid), Chipotle (meh), Umami Burger (meh).

Wait, actually Roscoes is amazing and so is Good Stuff. I guess LA has good food, but I haven’t been overwhelmed by it. I would usually rather just make a burger or a sandwich at home.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

chipotle is nationwide now

and in and out practically is. they don’t really count as unique to LA

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

In N Out is only in 6 states

that’s far from nation wide

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess it seems like it to me since its all over the west coast

but in any event, in n out is actually awesome and vep just doesn’t like anything

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Inn'n'outs great compared to McDonalds

But I’d much rather have Apple Pan or Good Stuff or make a burger at home.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you're very lucky in that you live in the west

they just went into Texas this year & might move into Oklahoma, Ark & Louisiana. but that’s set in stone by any means

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Five Guys is just as good

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i love five guys

but they are greasier, much more expensive, and the fried are not really good

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

But Five Guys has free peanuts!

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a couple of

5 Brothers eateries. But they’re a local family thing.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I went to Five Guys recently and the Ala cart pricing seemed reasonable

initially, but when I paid the bill it seemed quite a lot for a greasy/good tasting hamburger, some greasy meh fries, and a drink in a gymnasium converted to a cafeteria for lunch

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck yeah Roscoes

Also, I wouldn’t really count any of those as LA “places”

Maybe Umami

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and there's this great BBQ place by the airport

It’s called Baby Blues or something.

New Orleans has way better food than LA also.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, I haven't been to any of the LA restauarants

Except for the 50 or so that I have been too.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

San Francisco has way better food than LA

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You're an asshole

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Fritz, screw you

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

you should hang out with us more!

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 10:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I would if I lived in the same city!

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate you guys

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree about Pink's.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well when y'all said food that's generally where my mind goes

i know there’s probably a lot of really good mexican & other ethnic joints that are cheap. but when people talk about how good a city or area’s food is, my default thought is it must be pretty expensive

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The weather isn't even that good

The city is so smog filled. I noticed a huge difference coming back from Oregon. You just feel worse living in LA.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You really have to live within 1-2 miles of the coast or up high...

The difference between a mile from shore and three miles is just huge.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

it's foggy 350 days a year in redondo beach

I can jog to the beach and back, easy, and “LA” to me has been a huge disappointment since moving here in ’08. I much preferred living in the high desert, where it was sunny 350 days a year, got up to 100+ in the summer, and you could get to dodger stadium in under 2 hours when the cards were in town.

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah obviously the air quality is terrible

i don’t know, i’m going to LA next week so i will let you guys know if i would take $44mm to live there instead of STL

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

it has gotten much better in last 7 years, though

worst air quality I’ve observed was near inland empire, area just northeast of Ontario, coming down out of the mountains; in 2004ish it was so bad you could barely drive through some places, and I’d find myself coughing inside the car while driving to the Ontario airport. Which was way cheaper then, since no one wanted to go there.

Those places have miles of visibility now. And it’s way more expensive to fly out of, than it was. Boo, tree-huggers! ;)

The fog in the beach cities just kills me, though. ALWAYS foggy. Never any sun. That, and the ash rain (not acid rain, but random black organic matter falling from the sky. I had to build a cover over my dog’s food and water dish to keep the black particles of burned wood from making his water undrinkable).

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 30, 2011 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think its better than St. Louis

If you’re into nightclubs, smog and obnoxious fake people, LA is the place for you.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Weather alone makes LA better than St. Louis

but then again, I’m one of those people who is significantly less happy on cloudy days and I hate snow.

by bailorg on Dec 29, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah..no kidding.

I think it was like 35 degrees the day Albert made his decision.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Busch>Angels Stadium>Tebow

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said, my mother would not live there.

She is in assisted living, not a nursing home, so she can still think for herself.

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have stayed in St. Louis

But I don’t begrudge him for going to Anaheim.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i think you are misunderstanding the anger

its not that he left for the money. its that he keeps on insisting its NOT about the money. he should have just shut up and let us move on.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose I just don't see why people take what athletes say seriously either way

Most professional athletes don’t exactly have the most nuanced grasp of the English language

Of course, when it comes to contract negotiations, I always assume it’s always about the money, even if the GM/owner/player/agent says otherwise.

by bailorg on Dec 29, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I always took from his statements the idea

was that he wasn’t going to leave for just marginally more money, and that if the Cardinals’ offer was reasonably competitive he’d stay.

I just don’t consider the Cardinals’ offer competitive.

by bailorg on Dec 29, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

it really wasn't because Artie is playing on a whole different level

but when you take him literally & how they are acting now, plus this news he’s taking less now, they look really, really shitty

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummmmm

He left for the exact amount that he said he wouldn’t leave for. Unless you’re going to throw in the extra 10 year ‘facetime’ contract. He said he wouldn’t leave for just an extra 3-4 mil per year and that’s exactly what he did. I don’t really care one way or the other at this time, but he did do exactly what he said he wouldn’t.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
Albert Pujols took less $$ up front to help #Angels sign C.J. Wilson, sources say. es.pn/w3BnYF

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by cardsfan59 on Dec 29, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

have the exact numbers been released?

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
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by BVHeck on Dec 29, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well backloading is smart

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I giggled

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally reading "Moneyball"

The white sox drafted Royce ring in the first round…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 29, 2011 6:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

IIRC,

he was later traded for the remains of Roberto Alomar.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 29, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I've just purchased Ball Four, October 1964, and Catcher in the Wry

but Moneyball is on my reading list

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are some great choices.

If your a student of the game, Honus Wagner: A Biography, by Dennis Devaleria, is another great read on baseball in the 1890’s and early 20th Century.. It’s one I read every few years.

by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

On the list now, Thanks Tuning in!

Also, why don’t you have an avatar? You ever think about adding one? You are here pretty regularly and some folks, I don’t focus on them to much and actually just noticed you don’t have one, seem to like them as I think some members are more visual in keeping track of who is saying what.

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I've thought about that here and there,

but I wouldn’t know what to use, and if I did find something to use, I wouldn’t know how to put it up…
You won’t be disappointed in Honus…

by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 29, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a fabulous choice

It’s really easy, save the image to your hard drive, edit/crop it as you wish on you computer, then go edit your profile, select "profile image, browse, select pic from wherever you saved it on your hard drive, then press the update bottom at the bottom of the screen.

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Rajah!!!

Actually it’s extremely simple

1. Search internet and save picture of Rajah to your hard drive, if you don’t want to edit, find one that looks like one you’d like for an avatar and save that to your hard drive

2. Click on your name in a message thread

3. Click on “edit profile at the top right of your profile page”

4. Select profile image at the top of page and then browse to the location you saved the Rajah image too and select the image then click “open”

5. Scroll to bottom of profile page and click edit button

Easy peasy

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess we'll know next week how it goes then ... good luck to you

If you are having troubles just ask VEB and someone will walk you through it

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wondering..

If baseball players were always allowed to run their own facebook or is this something new?

by Cheeseballs on Dec 29, 2011 7:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Furcal

Has been running his own page. So has Shelby Miller I think, which is probably a bad idea.

by Cheeseballs on Dec 29, 2011 7:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

okay, i figured it out.

cardinals DAR fanpost is up

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

Productive day at work eh?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i actually left at 430 even

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i went to target and bought a k-cup holder!

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What's a K-cup

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

the little coffees that go into a keurig

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I WANT A KEURIG

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i've had it for two days and it has already changed my life

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously, really badly.

it would be fucking awesome. ship me yours.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

okay. what's your address?

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

you know how to find it because you're creepy.

so find it yourself.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, okay. it's in the mail!

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks, lindsay!

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What's a Keurig

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm calling BS on this

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, by Googling I can tell it's some sort of coffee machine

Is it special?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

have you been dead the past six weeks?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

he is full of shit

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i think so too.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Welp, thanks for the help guys!

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

...

….

http://www.keurig.com/the-keurig-story

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=keurig+coffee+maker

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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like coffee

But I love my keurig. I am a tea drinker and there are many excellent flavors, hell even the hot chocolates r good.

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by elirock83 on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

my sister-in-law was telling me

that if you take the dark chocolate and mix it with the white chocolate, it tastes better than Starbucks.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

K-Cups are the key

Easy way to make a variety of single servings of coffee

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Man that sounds huge! Natural?

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yes

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for picking me up on that one FtF

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

heh. couldn't just leave that sitting there.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

In a different world that might have been greened upon hitting post button, my world that is

Which, obviously is not this world mind you … looks over shoulder

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

How does Colby get on this list?

Rasmus is a lot of things, but I wouldn’t really describe him as handsome. I always thought he looked a little half-baked.

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by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i think he is terrible looking

but since so many female fans seem to disagree, i added him for them.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

he's going to whack your ass if you keep that up

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

he's awful looking

he has been replaced.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

#LazyRasmus

couldn’t even finish in a fanpost.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 29, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

welp i guess winter is over in phoenix

mid 70s and sunny for the next 8 days in a row

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

die.

"He may have been only .213 but they were the clutchest .213 of all time."
Running list of Molina pick-offs | twit

by BVHeck on Dec 29, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you're bitching?!

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

its nice when its cold for a little bit

i’m actually going to be in LA all week next week. same weather over there. maybe its just a warm front.

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah that's right! watch out for minibar IHB next week

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoooooo

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i didn't ask for them!

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

<3 u

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you're bitching?!

MINIBAR IHB IS FUN!!!!!

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not bitching!

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

bitcher! still working?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

no i left awhile ago

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

good. i'm proud of you.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you get a sunburn.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I was out in Scottsdale for for Christmas

Basically I’m moving there as soon as I can (which won’t be soon) so I can continue to golf in December.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Dec 29, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I was there too

beautiful Dec. weather compared to VA

by gocards62 on Dec 30, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

i have to deal with

temps between the 10s and 40s for basically 5-6 months of the year, along with snow… i’d be ecstatic.

by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be ecstatic for that weather.

Been mid-50s for the last two weeks basically. NEED MOAR SNO

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Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I was just reading my kid a book about Norway… I would love guaranteed sub-freezing temps with heavy snow from Nov 1 to April 1. That’s all I want… These December thaws annoy me to no end.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

We've had a pretty great winter in the greater STL metropolitan, and south/central IL area this year

Today was a great sunny and warm 56ish day today!

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

DSzymborski: Nick Punto in Boston - 250/332/335, OPS+ 78 #12ZiPS

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

I may be the only person here who didn't really want Punto next year.(of course, I didn't want Skip either)

We got his outlier offensive year in 2011 – best to get up and leave with your chips rather than wait for the dealer to get them all back.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

we didn't really need punto to hit though. his hitting was just a bonus.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

With DD and Greene at 2nd, rather than Skip, I don't think we really needed his defense either.

I would have been fine with him as the 25th dude on a cheap contract, but I don’t regret the Cards not signing him.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 29, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I was OK not bringing Punto back in isolation

It was the contrast to keeping Skip that made me pine for Nick Punto. That defense is pretty darn good.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I wasn’t counting on much offense from him. He just looks better as the 25th man than Skip.

Well, maybe not according to DAR.

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by The Continental on Dec 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i liked punto cause he looked like he belonged

at 2nd… he could turn a dp.. i still dont have conf. in skip

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Dec 29, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

aaaaaaaaaaand Abs of steel

11 in 11' √
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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

OH GOB

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No escape from reality

(enter Aranathor to do an awesome Freddie Mercury cover)

Ad Maiorem Tortius Gloriam

by peppermartin on Dec 29, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT?!

Just because i’m gay, british and have a bitching moustache. It does not make me Freddy Mercury!!

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

NO

And you can’t make me

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

DAMNIT

i said NO

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

FINE

I’M JUST A POOOOOR BOY
I need no SYMpaThhhyyyyy

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

you gave in way too easy

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What can i say

Queen is awesome

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

"He's just a poor boy"

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

also

i don’t actually have a moustache

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 29, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I’ve always pictured Aranathor to look something like this

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Dec 30, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

you are a very disturbed individual

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll bet his back is really scary

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you a Parsi?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ZiPS says

even Ron Mahay will be better than JC Romero next year…

Cardinals fan from Korea

by FreeRedbird on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

Have time to waste.

Do internet what

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by cardinalswsbound on Dec 29, 2011 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

your gonna help build a database, probably for stats and scouting information.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You might as well get a programming job...

in a town that isn’t Houston and join a softball team after work or buy season tickets.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you think you'd be doing for a "baseball job"?

Unless your an analyst or a scout, everything you do is going to be technical.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is why I love my job so much

My step in the door doesn’t require being the lowest totem in the pole. I literally come into the job as the head of my department

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

What does that have to do with my comment?

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I assume programming jobs suck

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And I don't know of too many programmers who end up advancing in baseball

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

programming is a prequesite for being an analyst

obviously a programmer with nothing else to offer isn’t going to advance.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

If I eventually go back to baseball, I want it to be at an analyst level or something like that

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I know...

I was kidding. This would be brutal.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You're going to be working directly with the data that the team uses to make their decisions

If you have any type of baseball smarts this is a great way to earn a job as an analyst.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I-musiually-am

Kris benson and his wife upthread- Some speculated that the pitcher had been ushered out of town partly as an excuse for the Mets to part ways with his wife, outspoken model Anna Benson, who had “perturbed team officials with her risqué wardrobe and provocative comments.”1213 Kris Benson also felt that the Mets had traded him because of his wife,14 a position disputed by Mets management

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Dec 29, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

Albert Pujols just called me

He said his name was Jim, and he was selling solar energy or something. I guess that’s in his contract.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

suddenly this thread has killed my computer

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know if you guys know this

But Aventinus Weizen Eis-bock is good.

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by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Welzein?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Beltran?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you that I found a DadBoner archive?

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I’m going to bother you for the link when I go back to work next week.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Not a sentence.

But I could use another link because apparently I need to read this.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You... probably won't like it

But link

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea where to start

there are hundreds

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 30, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

The beginning, and make your way through them

Click on the date at the bottom right of each day’s tweets to move onto the next day

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by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That is the most depressing thing I have read in a long, long time

and I only got through the first 18 of them. I don’t need that shit.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

that is funny as hell. I stopped at May 3, 2010. It was getting addictive

No wonder women have been making jokes about men being jerks on TV sitcoms for decades

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like you've had a thousand of those

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

MULTITASKING

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

what is a sow

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this a swine question?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Female pig

My sister recently got a Twitter and saw that and wasn’t very happy with me

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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

technically, it's a female pig that has had piglets.

until then she’s a gilt.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Love this blog

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

but that's not important right now

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

thought you'd appreciate that

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

More porcine trivia

“Pig” refers to swine that are under 120 pounds after that they are hogs.

also
Boar – male swine with testicles
Barrow – castrated male swine

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 30, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It's only 9:40, of course

but this is the current leader in the “most interesting fact I’ve learned today” sweepstakes. We’ll see if it holds on!

by Robth on Dec 30, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I used to know lots more about pigs

I worked at a pig farm in high school and raised one that became the Reserve Grand Champion at the county fair my sophomore year. That means 2nd best out of about 200.

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 30, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Congrats! here's a batch of bacon cookies

just for you:

"Our son Dick was sitting in his high chair, and I looked at that money, and I knew I could never look my son in the face again, if I took that money" (to leave the Cardinals) -Stan Musial, 1946
Why trade "The Mang"for "El Salmon", for less than $2M/yr, after taxes?

by SleepyCA on Dec 31, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

holy shit i want those

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 31, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't want to overwhelm them.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

good call

porcine trivia is more of morning activity

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 30, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah i'm not very happy with you either

you’ve got lots of degrading names for women don’t you

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

You've never made an Asian or mom joke, have you?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i know i've never made a mom joke

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and this

http://www.sbnation.com/users/IHeartBoog/search?type=&q=asian&btn=Search

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh we both know you gotta expand the search terms there

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

not for individual users

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i searched for the word "asian"

also, i searched for the word “mom” – there are 19 comments and only one is about your mom and all i said is that i rec’d a joke about your mom.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No I'm saying you can make a lot of Asian jokes and never say the word "Asian"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

no small penis either

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you quick bastard

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

gotta rec that

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

well okay

but i seriously doubt i’ve done that

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

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by IHeartBoog on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

you have a sister?

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

wasn't even going there.

just he’s never mentioned that he has a sister.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

he has mentioned her, just not often

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

No she's not

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I can attest to this

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

way to fuck it all up.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

this should stop right this instant dammit

not against you gdm, just getting it on record in the thread

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

goddammit.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

They go down SO smooth

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You're newer than me!

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

...11.4?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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by mysterui on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that's how much newer fink is than you?

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

don't hide dude, embrace the 11.4

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No. I have given all sorts of things away here, but not thousands of dollars.

That’s pretty unlikely to happen. Especially since Aranathor bumped me down your list.

11.4

by a fink on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

time wounds all heals

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, big fan of rage

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i like the smashing pumpkins

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't even concentrate

and I hyphenated incorrectly. (I think it’s weizen-eisbock)

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by CodyG on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

SIGN RICH HARDEN

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by CodyG on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

MOTHERHUSHYOURMOUTH

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

SIGN BRAD PENNY

so vep has a reason to do a pitch f/x again!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

this want supposed to be a reply

its this app’s fault

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by CodyG on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

4 WAR YEARS

4 WAR YEARS

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I’m afraid his accidency will result in an obscure footnote in Cardinals history

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright, futurama marathon

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

The whole thing???

At this price he can’t afford not to!

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh god

I hope I didn’t accidentally touch you at the bar or something. Guh-rosssss.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 29, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

How many people showed up, fink?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually we'd all be interested in a rundown of the evening and a roll call I'm sure ... at least I would

hope it was a success and a good time had by all

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Myself, fritz, azru, flim, liam, liam's friend who shows up to VEB meet-ups but not VEB, bobo, peach concrete.

I think that’s it. We drank and talked; not too much to report, but it was fun. The place was really nice, btw. Definitely worth checking out.

11.4

by a fink on Dec 30, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

glad y'all had a good time.

would’ve loved to have been there

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

How late were you all there?

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by mattybobo on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

well shit.

had i known you guys were going to last that long i would have shown up after i finally got off.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Man you guys were partying

(I am apparently old now, I am a little jealous that you were able to stay out until 8:30)

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 30, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

that's cold

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

What did you say about me

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by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I found out Bobo is actually not a tranny.

Please check http://twitter.com/RuiIsATranny for further developments.

"He probably misses his old glasses."

by Alxfritz on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

How did you find this out

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by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I told him about our weekend together

and how surprised I was.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 30, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

for some reason I can't stop laughing

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

FUCK AND YES

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I KNEW IT

I’M GETTING GREY HAIRS AND I’M NOT COOL ANYMORE

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 30, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Great for you guys sounds like a good time and good showing

Good effort Fink even though I couldn’t make it glad you guys got together

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I was just thinking that

Let’s plan one for say, April at the game … was discussed early last year but didn’t happen did it?

Perhaps a pre-game meet up near by the stadium or a tailgate sort of deal

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

EARLY NOTE TO PLANNER: PLAN IT FOR AN AWAY SPORTING KC GAME

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by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Since you will be intimately aware of your obscure, to me, schedule how about you suggest some dates once your schedule is ironed out and you've looked at our home games

Especially since you live all the way over in KC which is 4 or 3.5 hrs away, or 2 for some folks not to be named here.

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by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The schedule has not been released yet, which is kind of silly

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by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

kanye reference?

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess so

because now i find myself listening to Kanye.

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by purple_haze on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i just immediately thought

‘fuck snl and the whole cast
tellem yeezy said they can kiss my whole ass
more specifically they can kiss my asshole’

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 29, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

right, i thought that after I had written it

its a pretty good all-purpose diss.

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by purple_haze on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

my beautiful dark twisted fantasy is so good.

(listening to music and zoning out on wikipedia)

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Is anyone watching this ridiculous baylor game

this is pathetic. my twitter is full of dumbasses praising how awesome it is. arena football basically

by Wombat x on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

obv points=good game

who needs defense

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that's the same argument that is used for the DH.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

it's entertaining.

it’s not good football, but it’s entertaining.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

UW =/= Wash U

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by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

truman > washu > UW > tebow

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm joking, btw. i don't actually believe this.

If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 30, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

gad damn you guys talks about a lot of weird shit, extensively, today

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by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

this seemed even more strange than usual

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I got a skinny tie for Christmas!

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by mysterui on Dec 30, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I wiped my ass with a skinny tie today!

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm guessing you were all out of corncobs?

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 5:26 AM EST up reply actions  

When I think of you guys and your safety razors I think of something from a Sherlock Holmes story

He leaves early for work, and therefore is a farmer because he shaves before sunup and thus most use a candle and small mirror attached to the left side of the wall to provide light and refleciton because he’s clean shaven on the left side of his face, and has a less refined shave on his right, indicating he shaves before the sun is fully up and sees the left side of his face better while preparing for the tasks of the upcoming day

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course. It was the imagery of the old timely razor that conjured up that thought

I was seriously considering adopting the tools and practice myself actually, but then I remembered I’m lazy and shave in the shower, sans mirror and had visions of blood running down the drain so I gave up on the idea

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't get anything

But I’m gonna see if my dad will get me a phaser. We didn’t really acknowledge Hannukah in any way this year.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

kill the aryan

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

zipper ties are where its at

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

wait ignore this

nothing happened here.

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by CodyG on Dec 30, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

VEB is a hobby isn't it?

But then this is the slow time of year for this particular hobby

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

of course

I suggest talking to our “president” though as I’m only second in command.

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by CodyG on Dec 30, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I could handle these duties if I need to

although since I’m going to be abroad for the first half of the season I won’t be following many games

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Dec 30, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you have a song leader?

(I was in 4-H as a kid and think every club should have a song leader.)

I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.

by Hootie Who on Dec 30, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah yes here it is
There is no base ball, no signage we are awaiting, we have a new manager, mang that shall not be mentioned has moved on, and we have already discussed how great LEGO is

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the Mats ok

My favorite song is Answering Machine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5hDZIiuAbU

My favorite 80’s stuff is either at the end (Pixies) or at the beginning (The Only Ones)

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 30, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Did u say 80's????

;=8)

http://youtu.be/ekixDcDvf_M

PROPERTY IS THEFT!!!!

:=8O

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And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Dec 30, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

DEAD VEB

RIP

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by CodyG on Dec 30, 2011 1:50 AM EST reply actions  

too many f'ing comments

i’m going to bed where i’ll lay awake for hours wondering why i can’t sleep

yay

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 30, 2011 3:43 AM EST up reply actions  

BRAAAIIIIIIIINNNSSS

Swing and a high drive to center field...GET UP BABY...GET UP BABY, GET UP...OH YEAH - Shannon, Gm 6

by OurSaviorAaronMiles on Dec 30, 2011 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

IT'S FRIDAY BITCHES!

I’m Poppin and Lockin to the Weekend.

Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.

by beer me on Dec 30, 2011 7:45 AM EST reply actions  

You people are weird.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 30, 2011 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

VEB was celebrating festivus so we were in a a festive mood

Felt like Friday evening last night to me because I’m not working today.

We’re getting ready to head to Springfield, IL this morning to take care of some business, and while here show my wife the Lincoln Tomb in Oak Ridge

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Rub the nose.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 30, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

baaahahahahaha

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 30, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

actually I was there as a cub scout some years ago and of course by that time it wasn't allowed.

Weather turned bad so we went to the Lincoln Home and called it a day. But was cool to be in the great mans house, we enjoyed the day even in the less than ideal weather

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember when every Lincoln statue in town had a shiny nose, including the one out in front of the Capitol.

I have a better appreciation for the Lincolnness of Springfield now since I moved away.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 31, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Lincoln statues, I've been to the national mall 3 or 4 times and prior to going the 1st time

I had always wanted to see Lincoln and wasn’t disappointed. It is for me the most moving monument there, It was far, far more awe inspiring than I had ever imagined, even though just seeing it in pictures and movies is incredible. Subsequent visits haven’t diminished the majestic presence Lincoln has setting up there.

11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 31, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Morning Thread

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 30, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

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