The Games of the Year
by the red baron on Dec 28, 2011 1:37 PM EST
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PrintYear's over, folks. It was a good year to be a Cardinal fan, but that's all over now.
Did you have a nice Christmas? Mine was okay. I got lots of presents that made the seven year old still stuck somewhere in my head sad; depressingly practical things like a new toolbox and a slow cooker to replace the one that got dropped and cracked in September. I received neither fun gifts to placate my inner child nor alcohol to drown him. Such is life in your fourth decade, though. Hmm. Fourth decade is even more depressing than saying in your 30s.
On this final Wednesday of a championship season, I'm picking my favourite games from 2011. For the first time since I started doing Favourite Things posts way back in the heady days of 2007 -- when I joked about my RFT impression long before I actually worked there -- I do believe there will probably be a pretty fair consensus about number one at the very least. Beyond that personal taste probably kicks in, but hey, that's most of the fun, right?
I'm going seven games deep in honour of a brilliant World Series. Couldn't decide whether to simply list them or go countdown style. Finally decided to go the Casey Kasem route and end with what we all know is coming.
#7: 29th April, Cardinals 5, Atlanta 3
One of those early season tough-luck games for Chris Carpenter, he pitched well enough to win but received little in the way of run support. The Cards came back against Craig Kimbrel, at the time an unstoppable force of nature, on a sac fly in the ninthby Dirty Dan Descalso and then won it on an RBI triple by Nick Punto in the 11th. Eduardo Sanchez threw two innings for the win, completely overmatching the middle of the Atlanta lineup in the 10th.
This game was the very first I remember really marveling at how tough this team played late in the game. We obviously saw comebacks writ much larger as summer turned to fall, but tying the game off Kimbrel was the first moment I recall taking serious note of the trend.
#6: 11th April, Cardinals 8, Diamondbacks 2
Lance Berkman's coming-out party for the Cards. He came into this three-game set in the desert with an OPS under .800 and left with, well, a bunch of new fans. El Puma Grande hit two homers in this game, one the next night in a 13-8 started by Chris Carpenter, and then finished it all up with a grand slam in game three of the series, a 15-5 shellacking of Ian Kennedy.
#5: World Series Game 3, 22nd October, Cardinals 16, Rangers 7
I was tempted to both bump this game up higher, due to the history witnessed, and take it off entirely due to the bitterness which ensued, but in the end this is where Albert Pujols' demolition of the Texas Rangers ended up. It was quite possibly the single greatest one game performance in postseason history, and as curtain calls go for a legend on his way to the coast you could do a whole lot worse.
#4: 6th May, Brewers 0, Cardinals 6
I was at this game, sitting two rows back of the home dugout, when Jaime Garcia flirted with perfection. He lost the perfecto and the no-hitter on consecutive hitters, but this remains the greatest game I think I've ever seen thrown in person. I was in attendance for an Adam Wainwright shutout in mid-2010, and I've seen pitchers from John Tudor to Chris Carpenter befuddle opposing lineups, but I've never seen a pitcher with such perfect command over the loops and whorls of his repertoire as Jaime had that night.
He ended the night with a line of 9 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 8 K, 1 BB. He faced two over the minimum and did it in just 102 pitches. He recorded 14 swinging strikes on the night, as Brewer after Brewer flailed away at pitches nowhere near where they expected them to be. Ryan Braun struck out three times on nine pitches total.
#3: 28th September, Cardinals 8, Astros 0
Okay, so this wasn't really a great game. It was a pasting of the worst team in baseball by one of the hottest teams in baseball with their ace on the mound. However, what the actual Cardinal game may have lacked was more than made up for by the night baseball as a whole had. This was the night when both Wild Card races were determined, when Boston fell out and Tampa jumped in and the Braves finished their slow deflation by losing to the Phillies on the last day of the season.
You ever think the Phillies looked back and later and maybe wished they hadn't done such a good job against Atlanta? Nah, me neither.
This may have been the greatest single day in the history of the game, or at the very least the greatest regular-season day. Thankfully, MLB has taken steps to water the playoffs down further and protect us from ever having to see a night like this one again. We should all be grateful.
#2: NLDS Game 5, 7th October, Cardinals 1, Phillies 0
Speaking of the Phillies wishing they had maybe played someone else...
This game is why Chris Carpenter, despite far too much time in his career lost to injury to have much of a chance at the Hall of Fame, is a legend. Roy Halladay was Roy Halladay, but Carpenter was even better. A shutout to close out the best team in the National League against the defending Cy Young winner. I honestly considered putting this game at number one, if only to be contrary, but in the end I just couldn't. Still, second place isn't too bad when you're talking about the 2011 postseason.
#1: World Series Game 6, 27th October, Rangers 9, Cardinals 10
What more can really be said about this game? Volumes could be written, and probably will be, but in the end there's no analysis or comment which can tell us anything new about Game six. David Freese recorded a .969 WPA for the night, and it may be the first time I've ever read a WPA number I was willing to take at face value.
Game seven was a virtual afterthought, tough to believe but true. The story of the 2011 Cardinals is the story of Game six, and that's why I can't imagine putting another game atop this list.
So there it is, folks. The best the 2011 season had to offer, all wrapped up with a nice little bow on top. It was a pretty good season, really.
Happy New Year, everybody. Be careful out there. I'd hate to have to write this same post next year without you.
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Game 5 of the NLDS is my favorite game of all time.
It was such a toughluck year for Carp, and there was the residual doubt from the 3-days rest debacle a few games before. I remember coming into the game thinking “If our season is to end tonight, which it probably will, I’m glad it is with Chris Carpenter on the mound.” The next 3 hours were spent pacing, with sweaty-palms and a lump in my chest. Afterwards, I felt proud of Carp, it was a strange feeling.
Additionally, I can’t wait to use this line on my girlfriend.
I’m going seven games deep…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Much better than my usual line
about going four and a half games deep. Sigh…
I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
by the red baron on Dec 28, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
I'm now using the Furcal line
“Happy Flight! Happy Flight!”
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter
I fully agree.
One of my nephews was trying to convince me that Game 6 was better cuz etc, etc, etc. I just told him that anybody could like Game 6 but Game 5 of the NLDS was THE game. If Carp doesn’t go out there and just throw darts that entire game then Game 6 never happens.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 28, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Let's put it this way,
Game 5 is the better game and kept me virtually on the edge of my seat for the entirety, but Game 6 is quite possibly the biggest ever roller-coaster of emotions you will ever experience in a single game.
can't argue with that POV at all
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 28, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
especially when you throw extra innings into an elimination game
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 28, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Great recap of happy memories, if only someone could make gifs of key moments
for each of them…, e.g. #2 Carp going primal (supposedly a manufactured display of emotions according to Greinke).
I think Beltran was a great Hannukah gift for me, that and Mizzou’s win over IL.
Relating to #4 and Jaime, does anyone else think that Jaime is not throwing his FB that moves away from RH hitters anymore? I seem to recall that he used to throw that pitch a lot in his rookie season, and it was absolutely filthy. It almost had a screwball effect. Did Papa Dunk dislike that pitch? I’ve not read anything about it, that I could recall.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I don't know if this has already been brought up
@JonHeymanCBS
hear beltran offered to go to #yankees for the deal he got w/ cards ($26M, 2 yrs). but like 7 yrs ago, they declined.
It’s nice to think that we could win FA battles vs. East/West coasts, and especially vs. the Death Star.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
Yankees
Sounds to me like we didn’t win that battle. The way I read it is he said he’d play for the Yankees for the same money, but they said no. If so, we aren’t winning, the Yankees just didn’t play
Oops. You are right. I just misread a tweet. Oh well. I can always hang on to the fact
that Buhrle and Oswalt really want to become Cardinals.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
He played in NYC for a number of years w/ the mets
so it could just be a case of not wanting to uproot from the city. I really don’t care though. We landed Beltran on a two year deal. His is the added big bat we desperately needed in the middle of the lineup. If you are Client No. 9 of the Emperors Club VIP escort service and they land you an absolutely smashing hot piece of ass for some short term fun, do you really care that she was willing to go with Client No. 8 for the same cash? I thought not.
Agreed
I wasn’t saying it mattered to me whether the Yankees wanted him or not, just was giving my interpretation of the tweet. I’m pumped we got him for a short-term, relatively cheap deal and couldn’t care less that the Yankees seemingly didn’t want him
In looking at the BP article on Beltran
the thing I really like is that he is two great years from having a strong case for hall of fame. This means he will be going all out to put counting stats on the board and will be trying to stay in CF.
Just win
Wrong. Dead wrong.
Time to bury gdm’s body. He’s dead.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
You're not feeling better!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 30, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
so many times i'd doubted this team
but throughout the playoffs, i’d felt confident that our season couldn’t have ended with anything other than a World Series trophy. it just wouldn’t have been right. losing waino, the slide in june, going through closer-mania, the colby trade… with everything that happened, the only thing that would’ve been right was the trophy.
no game will ever top game 6 in my mind. there’s going to have be an even crazier game to top it, and i don’t think it will ever be done.
Cubs Cards - Sat Sept 24
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN201109240.shtml
Good enough to make Tony’s WS Champ celebration speech.
MarmLOL
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
i was at this one as well
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
Mike Shannon's call of the last play from this game is my favorite radio call of all time.
there is so much joy in his voice.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I can't find one!
any help would be much appreciated.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
A friend of mine posted this on her Facebook wall
less than a minute after that game ended:
“Carlos Marmol, you’re all right.”
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Dec 29, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
#poachers
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if he did spell it Vive el Birdos.
When the Cardinals won the World Series, Ryan Theriot was batting lead-off.
Bilingual Twitter
BGH HAS A NAME, YOU GUYS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Yeah DG it's BGH dammit!
Still he did refer to VEB as:
the respected fan blog Vive el Birdos
to bad he didn’t link the story!
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Also too bad it was also the day of the Uncle Lights spectacular
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
a day that will go down in infamosity
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 28, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Mr Azruavatar tear down those lights!
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I suspect that the stltoday.com's web people posted the story.
Or, the editor posing the question did. At any rate, I don’t think it was under Goold’s control.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Still your work was referenced so good on you bgh!
May have brought some new readers to VEB. I particularly liked it, note new avatar from your featured pic
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for your kind words.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
quote from a Berk interview "and this is correct"
I was thinking of normal readers of the articles though and not the asshat posters on the PD discussion boards
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 5:46 AM EST up reply actions
/that is correct
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
It's alright. I'm sure we'd run them off
Even if Uncle Lights didn’t get banned, how long do you think he would last here? This is a good place for intellectually based baseball discussion. If you can’t back up your opinions with at least a few facts, this place will eat you up.
I posted about a year ago that I thought Boog would have a better year this year than Manny. Clearly I was heavily biased and several people brought up stats to show that Manny would still project higher.
BTW Boog 2.6fWAR v Manny -0.3fWAR although in just 5 games.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
snob
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Is this true?
TOM TIMMERMANN
1) He’s making a lot of money.
2) He dropped a fly ball against the Dodgers in the playoffs.
3) He’s more prone to hot and cold spells than the other star in last year’s lineup.
4) Cards fans are weird that way.
Number 3 specifically? He seemed pretty consistently good all year long? Is he really that streaky?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
When he first came over to the Cardinals he was considered streaky
As in he didn’t start playing until the 2nd half of the season
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 28, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Because he was second half matt
And in past 2/3 years Pujols has had some whopper slumps
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Goold made a good, spirited defense of Lego
and then the PD had to fuck up the story by following with Strauss’s bullshit.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I think Strauss needs to stop projecting.
Two words: Background noise.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
translation: people who say things who are not me.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 28, 2011 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought Lego given the circumstances last yr
played pretty well. To have the issues he did and still have a productive yr really brought me around to liking him more. Not that I was in the anti-Lego camp either..just seeing him fight through stuff…and i like the way he plays too. I believe he shows grit but has more skill than the typical grit player
because TLR
He was our best player in 2011 by at least one way of thinking about it
He was worth 5.0 fWAR while playing only 124 games. Berkman and Pujols were essentially worth the same fWAR amount (5.0, and 5.1 respectively), but each of them played close to 150 games (145, 147).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Chris Carpenter had 5 WAR also
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 28, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
and he only played in 34 games
#LazyCarpenter
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Matt was lighting it up until during a good deal of the 1st half
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to me Holliday got on base a ton all year, but...
batting after a certain #5 in the lineup, this meant he was getting on base after:
1) said #5 had cleared the bases by going deep; or
2) said #5 had cleared the bases by GIDP.
Cards fan in Middle East
didn't he say essentially exactly the same thing as goold, but in less detail?
err, i mean, “bullshit! fuck him!”
Sure, if you want to compare a reasoned, respectable defense of Holliday
with," Yes, he is disrespected because everyone else but me are stupid fuckers!"
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Cardsfan59 paraphrasing
You can interpret his words however you like.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
yeah
i prefer to interpret them the way they are written. it’s a sarcastic and less thoughtful version of what goold said. i don’t see the problem, but i don’t have an insatiable hunger for griping about everything he says. usually when i get that annoyed by someone, i ignore them because i don’t like feeling annoyed
I still need to get a present for my roommate
He told me he didn’t get one present for Christmas. Need to get a late one for him
Try this
Yep, I’m pimping the game I play
What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger. - Aeron Damphair from A Feast for Crows by George R R Martin
If you really want to pimp the game
Do a AMA over at Reddit. Either in the subreddit for AMA or GameofThrones
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 28, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I know that CCDGAFATHOF
But doesn’t he deserve to get in, or at least consideration, via the Koufax exemption?
Boog would have made that play.
the Koufax situation is a little different from Carp's
While Carp missed almost 3 full seasons of his prime, he still pitched between and after those injury years. Koufax’s career was prematurely cut short because of the injuries, not getting the chance to add to his already impressive resume.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 28, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
He's pretty much going to be a
veteran’s committee induction.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 28, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Let's not get crazy. I would have used the Dizzy exemption
not Koufax. But either way, Carp is not a HOF.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 28, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
point was
that if he gets in, it will be thru the vet committee.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Let me re-state
IF Carp gets in, it will have to be thru the vet committee. No way that he gets voted in straight away. Not saying that he should get it, just saying that the vet committee in about 30+ years is his only bet.
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think you mean,
haters gonna hate.
"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie
by hazel on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Half the fun about the CCDNGAF meme
is trying to decipher what someone means.
CCDNGAFATTDWSM
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
not really.
not unless he has a Clemens-like end to his career.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Uh no, Koufax actually threw more innings in his short career than Carpenter has.
And was fucking amazing in those innings (way better than Carpenter)
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
I was at number 1
Nothing will ever top that
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
luck
me and my brother had tickets to game 6
but they moved it to a day we had a private party gig so we had to scoot over there after the pep rally and didnt get to see it!
we heard the fireworks outside when we were loading out after the gig though, before the radio said what happened with Freeze’s hit
by jealousblues on Dec 28, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I was there as well
I think it was the only game I saw in person all season. I had faith in the late innings up until Hamilton’s 10th inning homer. I was sure season was over then, but was OK with it — I said to my Dad, that comeback in the 9th inning was really special, glad we got to see it.
That rally in bottom of 10th is under-appreciated with all the talk of Mr. Freeze and his heroics.
-Descalso single (off a lefty)
-Jay single (off a lefty)
-Lohse successful sacrifice bunt
-Theriot fail
-Pujols IBB (his last Cardinals AB)
-Berkman single
they had TV's on where we played
but at the point we were tearing down and loading out
and the TVs were still on
and some of the staff was watching and their bosses kept complaining at them and eventually turned it off. “its just a baseball game, whats the big deal, I wanna get home 10 mins earlier”
anyway, i was so upset with the Hamilton homer.
I said to myself “we will see that damned thing over and over for years like the Kirk Gibson hr…”
since he was hurt and wasnt very good all series then that
by jealousblues on Dec 28, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
The Gibson HR is also remembered because the two best play by plays ever made trancendant calls for it
And he was pinch hitting and clearly not able to say, play CF like Hamilton
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 28, 2011 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh yeah
Forgot about game 7, lol.
Turns out he struck out in his last Cardinals at bat, the bum.
^he was on a clear decline
fist a walk
then a K
by jealousblues on Dec 28, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I know we are all joking about it here, but I really do not wish Apu any
ill-will. I would be quite ok if he does well with the LAAoA, as long as it’s not during inter-league vs. the BOB.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I agree.
I am totally fine that the Cardinals let him go.
I am also totally fine if Pujols lights it up in Anaheim.
Will be interesting to see what type of reception he gets in his first Angels at bat in Busch Stadium — hopefully we will see that in the 2012 World Series !
Heh. Poop.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
best name in the biz.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
there it is.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I give you a +1 for quick-ness ... must be the runs
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
true dat
at one time the Patriots and Bledsoe were one of my favorite teams
by jealousblues on Dec 28, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
even Theriot's fail drove in a run
and moved Jay over to 3rd
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 28, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Umm, no
that was not Pujols’ last AB, there was still game 7 to play.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Was at #3, and it was an awesome game.
Carp was pissed that he had to bat in the 1st, so he punished the Astros for letting it happen. He wanted to keep pitching because he knew there were people still in the stadium he hadn’t gotten out yet.
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
June 5 vs the Cubs
Pujols hits his second straight walk-off to sweep the cubs
Earlier in the game, Ryan Theriot hits a game tying double to extend his hit steak to 19
I got to see that one live. Probably the best I’ve seen. Started with a Carp-Zambrano duel, ending with heroics to sweep the Cubs.
I was just typing about that one!
"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson
That one would be on my list as well
Also the September 7 game against the Brewers where Morgan threw his chew at Carp.
I was at both games.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
Pujols high-stepping to home was hilarious.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. Still hilarious.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 29, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
the most memorable
Game of the year for me was some time in the middle of may (around the 18th) I had tickets to the champions club. It was a day game and mcclellan was on the mound. There ended up being a rain delay in which I consumed copious amounts alcohol. It wasn’t til about the 4th inning that I realized the game had even started or that I was in my seat. Cards won, solid day.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think I was at this game
with my parents and my brother. Most of the starters got the day off. It was like watching a Springfield Cardinals All-Star game versus the Astros. Laird’s double was the big hit of the game. Good times! Only game I saw in person.
"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Joaquin Andujar
that was most certainly the game.
I had a friend from out of town. He was bummed that pretty much no one played.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
I was at 2 of the 7
I was at number 4 with my friend. He helped me move up to StL so I offered him all inclusive tickets or gas money. Thankfully he took the tickets. We even had some cute girls next to us, who magically got really ugly when one said she wished the Brewers would score so the game would be closer, or more exciting.
I was also lucky enough to be at number 1. If that game ever gets topped for me I’ll be amazed. It started rough and my faith started to waiver until Craig hit that home run. I knew then that we would pull this win off.
Number 3 for me was great but I was actually watching the Phillies/Braves game after the first inning. I’d flip back to see what was going on occasionally but I knew Carp and the Cards would handle business.
bollocks
if nlds game 5 and world series game 6
had both been played in the same series, which one would have been lauded as the “better” game?
i almost think the nlds game 5 was the “better” game because it meant beating the very best pitcher in baseball and because every single second of the game after the cardinals scored in the first inning was gut-wrenching, edge of your seat, craziness. i think game 6 was that same way, but the back and forth feeling (the ups and downs, elation and despair) is quite different than the constant feeling of waiting or hoping or praying that something would or would not happen, only to have nothing happen at all for 8.5 innings.
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and i should say, that the "nothingness" was what made the game so incredible.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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For many fans, the lack of offense in the NLDS Game 5 1-0 Cards win makes it inferior.
But being a double elimination game (both teams had to win or go home) matching up two of the best pitchers in the game made it so special for a traditionalist like me. During every Phillie plate appearance that game, the tying run was at bat or on base. Carp’s little smile when Howard flew out on a 3-0 pitch was delicious. There was some regret that the Cards won the game on a play where a major injury took place. To answer your original question as to if both games were in the same series which one would be deemed better, I would have to demur. 20 run games with walkoff homers can be great as can 1-0 pitching duels. Such is the glorious tapestry of baseball that there is no definitive answer to that question, but plenty of room for discussion and debate with everyone’s opinion being valid. Suffice to say, as Cards’ fans we were blessed with two months of baseball which will unlikely ever be topped in our lifetimes.
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 28, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
re: your last line, couldn't agree more.
this was a fantastic post season all around, and we are lucky to have come out ahead.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Starting in August, all the way through Game 7.
it was such an amazing time period to be a Cardinals fan.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Plus, now that we won, we can look back on the shitty moments and laugh!
Remember when we had a 6 run lead on the Mets in the 9th?!
Remember when we lost a World Series game due to a bullpen phone malfunction?!
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there were many times during the run, where i said (to myself and others)
Well, it was a nice run, but I think that is the end of it.
Only, I was like totally wrong!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that mets game was freaking terrible.
i have never been so upset about a game.
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Remember when we lost to the Astros in extra innings in the third-to-last game of the season
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 28, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
And had to come back from 5-0
in the next-to-last game of the season?
The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...
Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski
the hands-down worst part of the season
Was the dodgers series in august. Ugh.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 28, 2011 6:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I remember
Matt Holliday moth attack
Aaron Miles with game tying triple and subsequent lead taking run
Swept in three games
Ugh is right
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 28, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
my parents dropped by for a visit from out of town before going to that Mets game
my mom had won box seats in some contest, I remember being so pissed that I couldnt go too, because I hadn’t been to a game with my dad since opening day of 2010. This was also the first game I’d watched on TV for over a year, but after the game was over I was glad I didnt go because I would’ve lost it at the stadium. I did however get to see Game 2 of the WS with my dad.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 28, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I also really enjoy great pitching duels for the very reason that you mentioned, but the downside
is the consumption of copious amounts of Tums.
Irish provenance of the schwa pronunciation of vowels in weakly stressed syllables -> Missoura
I only watched it in MLB Condensed form
..and I was still sitting on the edge of my seat, letting out strangled gasps and assorted sounds at different points of the game.
(I made a point of trying to watch the Condensed games without knowing the box score beforehand.)
Cards fan in Middle East
Some games to add
Or bump out that Braves game or the Astros game are:
July 30th vs the Cubs in which the Cards spot the Cubs a 5-0 lead and then blast them in an inning of disaster for Cubs.
Either June 4th or 5th game vs the Cubs in which Cards gutted out 2 wins with Pujols walkoffs.
Cards vs Brewers September 8th, Carp dominates. Nyger Morgan sets off a movement.
So many to list.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 28, 2011 3:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I was there July 30th for my 30th birthday
It was a fun game and the first game I attended with my gf. She however doesn’t remember much of it since whatever allergy medication they gave her made her extremely loopy.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 28, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Rumors
-Havent heard much on Yadi extension at all.
- Haven’t heard any news on EJax, Roy O either
Also did you guys see the SN thing on available guys who they didnt want to see retire?
because TLR
i don't expect any news on a yadi extension yet
he’s got another year left and he’s admittedly a catcher approaching 30 with a hell of a lot of miles on his knees and perhaps declining defense. it’s be prudent to see how this season goes since we have the luxury
if he hits free agency there is almost a 0% chance that he returns to the Cardinals.
So as long as you are okay with him almost definitely not returning, then yeah, might as well let him hit free agency.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Molina would be highly sought after.
How often do the Cardinals win bidding wars? Matt Holliday…and…um…yep thats about it.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly stupid question
Will Yadi’s bat be good enough that he could be moved to 1B at some point in the future, for a couple of years, or does he pretty much lose most of his value the day he can no longer be a full-time starting catcher?
i mean
he had a .350 wOBA last season. if he can keep that up, he’ll be able to get contracts. i think it’s pretty significantly unlikely that he does, though, given his career .310 wOBA in 3500 PAs
bill james projects .320 and i think that sounds safe
to answer your question, i suspect that once he can no longer catcher 130 games per season, he loses a lot of value. that could be soon
I think he's got a solid 4-5 years left catching 120+
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
because he's an elite catcher.
elite catchers don’t typically just get relegated to bench duty at age 32. Pudge, Fisk, Piazza, Carter, Bench, and even Benji Molina were all still piling up the starts at ages 34-35.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hell..
Mike Matheny started 127 games at age 34 and probably would’ve caught close to that at age 35 if it wasn’t for concussions.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Posada and Varitek.
Posada caught 120 + at age 35. Varitek did it at age 36.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think 32 is far too pessimistic
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 28, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't want him as anything but a catcher.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
1B have to hit really well just to be replacement level
Unless Yadi develops power and maintains the high contact rate, I don’t think he can play at 1B.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Dec 28, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
No, he would be below replacement level at 1B
But I don’t think he’ll be off catcher for awhile.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 28, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite line that you wrote may just have been this:
David Freese recorded a .969 WPA for the night, and it may be the first time I’ve ever read a WPA number I was willing to take at face value.
Great line, sir.
Ric Flair has something to say about that hat.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I think he likes it.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
nice
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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That's a good one
I’ve been my red one for almost two months now, got the black one for xmas from my son. Is that a ’47 Brand?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Post Dispatch
he must be a long-time subscriber
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
thats classy
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 28, 2011 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why only wear it on the Fourth of July?
Looks like an “every Tuesday” shirt to me.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 28, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
If he really loved America he would do this.
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
or lived in House Springs
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 28, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
48 star flag
Patriotic and retro.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!
I smacked Rickey right in the face when he told me this idea.
Ugh!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
does anyone know
If they will be releasing blu rays of the complete 2011 world series?
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
by beer me on Dec 28, 2011 4:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Seems like A&E gets that honor
and for some reason they only do DVD.
I want a bluray collection of the WS. Not a DVD.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 28, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I really like that of RB's seven favorite games
none of them was the game in which the Cardinals won the world championship.
Now you have me wondering how much I remember from that game.
I remember the rocky first inning for Carpenter, Freese erasing it with a 2-RBI double, the Craig homer, the bases loaded walk for Yadi, the bases loaded HBP on Furcal, Skip Schumaker helplessly striking out with the bases load to end that inning, and the Craig catch. That’s about it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I remember getting to the front of the beer line right when Craig homered.
Front of the line, you can’t even see the monitors. But I could tell what happened from crowd noise.
Other than that, I just remember being drunk, and nervous for three hours, then happy. But yeah, not much of a memorable game.
I remember nothing
Both because I only watched bits and pieces of it at the Halloween Party I was at, and because I was absolutely hammered
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
Oh yeah, I forgot that you went to a costume party instead of watching a World Series Game 7 the Cardinals were playing in.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Luckily for me, the actual Game 7 kinda sucked compared to Game 6
Besides, I watched the end of the game. Apparently my friend and I started dancing in front of the TV when it happened, and then I danced with a girl dressed as the rally squirrel. I don’t remember any of this.
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I'd wager that your wife does.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Well she's the one that told me all of this, so yes. Yes she does.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Yeah I remember very little from that game.
I was taking a shot after every inning ended starting in the 5th which may have had something to do with it.
I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.
Yes. Very dramatic.
The best is Freese’s Game 6 homer. Played in 4 different languages, all different feeds.
Yes that's a highlight, someone posted a link of the 4 diff calls they compiled here the other day
who was it?
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Red Sox & A's have agreed to a trade.
Boston receives: Andrew Bailey (RP) & Ryan Sweeney (OF)
Oakland receives: Josh Reddick (OF), Miles Head (1B), and Raul Alcantara (P)
Head and Alcantara were in A-ball last season.
I wonder what is going through Ryan Madson’s head right about now.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Kind of a shitty return for the A's
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Uh
JeffFletcher1: The #athletics have $23M committed for ’12 plus 1 arb eligible (McCarthy, $3M?). Everyone else less than $750K
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Wait, the A's are looking at a ~$25M payroll?
Wasn’t there talk that the new CBA would establish some sort of payroll floor? (can’t find anything now, of course)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
There were rumblings that the A's lost money last season.
I don’t know if this is losing money in part due to creative accounting or legitimate lost money but it was rumored.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
No, that can't be right.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Cot's has them at ~$67 before this trade.
I don’t know what that tweet means, then.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
That Bailey was making $40M, duh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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(smacks forehead)
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Fuentes will be tied for their highest paid player
with Kurt Suzuki at 5M. Wild.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I just pulled that up.
I am bad a parsing. $23 total commitment (for 8 players), 1 arb eligible that’ll be significant ( I guess Sweeney is looking at a pay cut? ), and the other 15 players will be 400-750K.
Still looking at less than $40M payroll.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sweeney was traded to Boston.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
OK, going to bed now.
#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough
by The Continental on Dec 28, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
also, they announced they'll no longer continue
The electric utility for their stadium and ask fans in attendance to bring flashlights to night games and direct them at the field.
i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus
by tom s. on Dec 28, 2011 6:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's as good or better than what the Cubs got for Marshall...
and Marshall and Bailey are probably equivalent…
Sign Roy O
So basically it's
Boston receives:
A relief pitcher who is a two time all-star who won rookie of the year and is only in his 3rd season of service entering his age 28 season. He’s career WHIP is below 1. His K:BB is over 3.5. He K’s 9.0/9 innings pitched. He averages 25 saves on a crappy team.
A 27 year old outfielder in his 5th full season. He’s got a .720 career OPS in a crappy hitter’s park – although only a 95 OPS+.
Oakland receives:
A 25 year old outfielder in his 2nd full season. He’s got a .706 OPS (in a much better hitter’s park) – for a worse 86 OPS+.
A power hitting A ball outfielder who is still 20 and has yet to reach AA.
An 18 year old relief pitcher who has also yet to hit AA, but has pitched beautifully with low K rates.
That sounds pretty terrible for Oakland
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 28, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Miles Head, 1B, Grade C+: Ineffective in the New York-Penn League in ‘10, but something clicked last year, hit for power and average in Low-A. Power carried forward to High-A but he’s got contact issues to work out, and right-handed hitting first baseman have an uphill battle. Could rank much higher next year.
Raul Alcantara, RHP, Grade C+: Live arm with good results in rookie ball, still refining his secondary pitches. High ceiling.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 28, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say that's fair.
Bailey hasn’t pitched that many innings over the last two seasons due to injuries.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Bailey's IP totals:
2009: 83.3
2010: 49.0
2011: 41.7
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Let's look at like Oakland would...
Bailey + Sweeney = +$5MM in salary next year
Reddick + two A ball prospects = $500K
That’s a clear win in Oakland’s eyes.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 28, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
Bailey’s a 28 year old reliever. He’s only averaged 1.4 WAR a year, and honestly there’s a good chance he gets injured or just flat out sucks. Sweeney’s not a very good player – he’s been worth 1 WAR combined over the past two years. He was worth 4.2 WAR in 2009, but that was with a +20 UZR. He’s also one year till free agency.
The A’s get a comparable player to Sweeney in Reddick who has more years of service time, a decent OF prospect, and an ok relief prospect. And they save 5 million next year.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 28, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
i just know that if i try to leave the office before 5 i will get an email with work
on my way to my car. but seriously…i have nothing to do.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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DO IT, LINZ
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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OR READ THROUGH THE DADBONER ARCHIVE
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
right now i'm looking at kitchen and bathroom remodeling ideas
i don’t even know where to start. but it seems obvious that i cannot afford both kitchen and bath and will have to choose.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Oh. That sounds exciting.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter
i'm trying to see how much i can do on my own
like remove shower doors, replace ugly shelves, clean my tile grout, etc. i want new tile, but i think that will be expensive. it might be easier and cheaper (well, it will be) to simply paint the bathrooms new colors that work better with the tile i have.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
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Time to start logging those billable hours....
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
That's why I'm not even going in this week.
If I get a call, it forwards to my cell. If I get an email, I remote in and take care of it.
Hooray for dead week!
LEAVE NOW
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 28, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
also, why would you receive an email with work at freaking 5 if you've gotten nothing all day?
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
People getting work off of their electronic desk and onto someone else's at last minute of day so they can't be called back to ask WTF
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
see also: asshole
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 28, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yes
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 28, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
from matt holliday's wiki...
Matt has a great following among the fans on the St. Louis Cardinals’ message board. Whenever he hits a home run, fans post the following message: “IT’S A DINGER FOR THE STILLWATER STINGER!!!!”
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 28, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions
o_o
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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FEVERDOG
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 28, 2011 7:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Make sure you bookmark the DadBoner archive that I tweeted
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
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Stillwater Stinger?
Lego is way better
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 28, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I went to some rough games this year.
The only game in the Sept series that we lost to the Brewers (I went with a Brewers fan and told him congrats on making the playoffs)
The only home loss of the NLCS
A game where Skip Schumacher hit a walk off dinger (off a lefty with Descalso on deck!) . . . A few innings after Kozma’s throw broke Albert’s arm
I also had good moments like when I went to a very rain soaked game where we were down by like 2 in the sixth or seventh and scored four. We were underground during the rain and I remember looking outside through the bar door to see I think a Yadi go ahead double if I remember correctly fly through the air then I turned to the tv inside the bar to see him run the bases. That was sweet
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 28, 2011 7:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
at least you saw a win
i went to two games in cincinnati in may and the cards were awful then. ramon hernandez hit 3 homers in those two games. the only highlights were berk & yadi hitting dingers in the second game.
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 28, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
pretty sure the Cardinals were in first place in May.
"He probably misses his old glasses."
by Alxfritz on Dec 28, 2011 11:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just looked at Mizzou's SEC schedule for next year.
They host Alabama on 13 October..
by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 28, 2011 7:32 PM EST reply actions
I would hate to be an Oakland A's fan.
As much as I like prospects, the whole point is to watch them develop into studs so you can win, not flip them for more prospects.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions
Sweeney and Bailey weren't going to turn the A's into winners
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 28, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really think that my comment was directed at just the Bailey and Sweeney deal?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
who have they traded recently that actually is a star?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 28, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Haren.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
oh yeah
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
The A's had little to no use for Bailey and Sweeney...
and the Red Sox had no use for the guys they sent to Oakland.
Bailey pitched 40 odd innings each of the last two years.
Sign Roy O
they had little use for Bailey because they aren't going to win any games,
because they already traded their best 2 starting pitchers…you know like they do every couple of years? At this point it doesn’t even matter who they get in return for any of their trades because if the prospects pan out, they’ll just be dealt also before the team is any good. It’s a never ending cycle.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
A.J. Cole should be on the trade market in what...5 or 6 years?
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Brett Anderson should be gone soon.
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Billy Beane would have to be an idiot to take Adams with their depth at first.
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why would Adams be any different?
Brandon Allen
Daric Barton
Chris Carter
Kila Ka’aihue
alll hit the ball really well in the minors with better walk rates.
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not to mention Derek Norris probably goes to first at some point with his defense.
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he's at least a little younger than some of those guys.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
meh, not really a reason to take a first baseman
when you have that much depth at the upper levels.
Adams would have to repeat AA again if he were to get regular playing time.
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It doesn't matter anyway.
The A’s will suck for the forseeable future, no matter who is playing 1B.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
aren't they close to getting a new park?
I wonder if they pull a marlins.
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it's hard to say with Carter
truth is, I kind of forgot about him, he’s been around the minors for so long. i’d say they’re comparable.
I was trying to remember how he wound up
going from the White Sox to the A’s. Forgot about his brief stop in Arizona before he was dealt to acquire some guy who used to pitch for the Cardinals.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I guess with with Carter's K rate it's closer, but I'm really down on Adams because of his walk rate
He managed to walk in 7.8% of his PAs, but even then 7 of his 42 (16%) walks were intentional.
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*this year stats for adams
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If he hits for enough power the walks will come.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
was only his 1st season.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Adrian beltre
and walk rates don’t double just because you get older and more experienced…it’s a skill set many players carry throughout their careers with little variance.
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actually,
I don’t really see Trumbo ever drawing a lot of walks, but I don’t think he’ll be an under .300 OBP guy his whole career either.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'd imagine there is a few left.
Maybe. Let me take a quick look at their SBN site…..
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
more comments today than VEB, actually
Overall a pretty decent turnout on a daily basis there. Lots to talk about I guess.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't Athletics Nation the "flagship" SBN baseball site?
I remember that, for at least a little while, SBN changes and updates would debut there first.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Ouch
Local identity infused in Schlafly beer, mission
The brewery’s co-founders have been in talks for about a year with potential investors about an ownership succession plan.
While they are limited in what they can reveal, Kopman and Schlafly reiterated that they will retain ownership stakes, employees will get a piece of the company, and out-of-town investors are not being considered.
That last group includes Belgian-controlled Anheuser-Busch InBev.
“That thought has crossed my mind, and I rejected it,” Schlafly said.
“We’re taking the non-Pujols approach,” he continued, referring to the Cardinals’ former star first baseman who left St. Louis this month for a bigger paycheck in Los Angeles. "We’re leaving money on the table to keep our business St. Louis-owned.
“It’s an easy decision to make because we have values.”
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
by cardsfan59 on Dec 28, 2011 8:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is good news, Schlafly is awesome
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 28, 2011 8:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to try and work "the non-Pujols approach" into my vocabulary whenever possible
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by peppermartin on Dec 28, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks that comparison is downright idiotic?
Building a long-lasting business is an entirely different situation from a player deciding what contract to accept.
Then again, I don’t believe that Pujols did anything morally or ethically wrong in going to Anaheim.
the only thing he did that was "ethically wrong" was
telling everyone it wasn’t about the money, when it obviously was. I don’t begrudge him over it because I wasn’t naive enough to believe him. Others who may not follow baseball or other sports like most of us do have a legitimate reason to feel misled. Young fans were taught a lesson to never believe what a superstar says (unless it’s Lance Berkman telling fans “it’s always about the money”)
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, in terms of those sorts of sound bites, people have a tendency to hear what they want to hear
What I took from his previous statements was that he wasn’t going to leave St. Louis for marginally more money. Once it eventually came out that the Cardinals’ offer included $30 million in deferred money while the Angels’ offer had no deferred money, I realized that he didn’t leave for just marginally more money; the Cardinals’ offer had been blown out of the water.
people can only go by the words that are coming out of his mouth.
and those words were “it’s not gonna be all about the money”
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I always got the impression from his statements was that
if a competitive team offered him some sort of mega-deal and the Cardinals didn’t come close, he was likely gone, but he wasn’t going to leave for just a couple million more per year.
In the end, the Angels gave him the mega-deal, the Cardinals didn’t really come close, so he left.
well thats obvious to people who know sports.
I’m talking about casual fans that don’t know a damn about the economics of baseball. Those are the people that don’t understand how he could possible “turn his back on the city”.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
And those who don't see the relative difference between $200M and $254M
when they toil at a job for $12 an hour.
"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter
I suppose I understand that,
but I would honestly blame those people’s failure to understand these concepts more as one of the many failures of the modern media environment and/or their own willful ignorance rather than Albert.
I do as well....like i said:
I don’t begrudge him over it because I wasn’t naive enough to believe him.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
after considering all that he could become & do, i still can't believe he left
the last 11 years meant nothing to him. that’s what hurts me because they meant the world to me, yet all they meant to him was how big of a pay day he was going to get.
Balls
So, you must be single
(before the women kill me, this was a joke)
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 7:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is where i mention that our robot overlord doesn't like schlafly.
just….because i can.
If I was going on a picnic, I'd invite Ryan Theriot, and I would ask him to bring the lunchables.
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
My favorite game was Game 4 of the NLDS because that was the one postseason game I went to ... with wife and son and Game 6 because of course it was awesome and I watched it with my girls
Was an awesome postseason and the girls and I were totally keyed up and on the edge of our seats throughout postseason…said it before but me and one of the girls held hands, fingers clinched from about the 8th on … called boss screaming my head off and said "hell yeah M*****F*****! I’ll be in when I’m in tomorrow! (after hoisting the wife and girls each in turn and screaming our heads off then calling my son)… into his voice mail. I think I got in about 9:30 the next morning. With my jersey … boss and several others were wearing them also.
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
help I have contracted the disease known as Skyrim
RE-SIGN EVERYONE
by Notorious PSC on Dec 28, 2011 8:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I prefer this
http://www.nintendo8.com/game/683/baseball_stars/
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think that is just hosting the VirtualNES browser emulation
Anyway, I prefer RBI Baseball: http://virtualnes.com/play/?id=NES-RS
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Bravo, Baron!
what a season, to be a Cards fan… hopefully there will be some kind of set that includes the entire offseason, something that covers the September run, and of course highlights from the rest of the season prior to that.
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 28, 2011 9:29 PM EST reply actions
Waino insurance
Just watched a video blog by olney…which i have been hesitant to listen to him since the Howard Pujols thing..but it got me thinking
Everyone assumer waino is going to be healthy and well waino, what if he is not, what if he has set backs, or worse? What is the backup plan? anyone in Memphis a lingering FA? i would like to have a plan going into ST not when it happens..
because TLR
i would like to see him
signed, but would guess they’d do it internal. I just want to feel like they have plans moving forward when everyone seems “confident” he’ll be waino
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm more worried about Carp than Waino.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Between Waino/Carp I'm a little worried
but the upside is tremendous
I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
I've been thinking about that...
Obviously if we were to sing Oswalt we’d have to do something about the rotation logjam. Which means getting rid of Westbrook or putting him in the bullpen or something.
Since we’re talking about a hypothetical situation where we move Westbrook out of the rotation, then why not just pay Edwin Jackson instead of Oswalt? He’s younger and the market seems surprisingly quiet on him. I know we have a lot of starters in the minors, but we also have an aging Carpenter signed only through 2013, Lohse’s contract done after 2012, and Westbrook with a mutual option for 2013. Shelby Miller seems like he will probably be a good major league pitcher, but after him it’s either solid depth guys or potential/risk pitchers who are still very far away.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Oooooooswaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt!
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I could see bringing Jackson back...
not sure how that could happen without moving salary though…
Sign Roy O
I am not sure either
The whole scenario would depend on the mystical ability to make the Westbrook problem go away somehow. I don’t see that happening (though apparently MO is still kinda sorta looking for ways to make that happen).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
There's no doubt at least one team...
if not multiple teams would be willing to take him at $4 million or so… The tough part is to get Westbrook to sign off on that.
Sign Roy O
It would also kind of suck for Westbrook
Cardinals: “Hey Jake, listen, um… we loved having you for the World Series run and everything, but how would you like to let us trade you somewhere else and make room for your replacement?”
Westbrook: “Well, I’m just confused now. You guys have already brought back McClellan and Schumaker, so I figured it was one of those ‘getting the band back together’ things…”
Cardinals: “Oh, you heard about that, huh? Yeah. Hm. Heh, welp, this got awkward fast, didn’t it!”
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Edwin is not coming back.
Edwin is getting multiple years. Edwin is likely getting 8 figures per season.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I assumed at the beginning of the off-season
I figured he’d get a Lohse deal easily, if not more (and wow, I would much rather sign Jackson to a Lohse-type deal than Lohse, ah well…).
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Like I said, the market "seems quiet" on him
But we don’t really know what that means. You could say that the market has been “quiet” for Fielder as well, but I still assume he will get that 6 or 6+ year deal.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I imagine the price for Jackson right now is in the 4/$40 million range.
If it drops to 3/$30 million there will be a lot more teams in on him, I’d imagine.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Could just be a "biding our time" situation too
Isn’t he a Boras client?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yup.
here’s the latest Boras quote on Jackson:
"If someone were to say that Yu Darvish would come in, average 200 innings, less than a 4.00 ERA and be a solid two or three starter, they would be elated," Boras said. "The reality is, that is exactly what Edwin Jackson has done."
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
The man has a good half-point
I’m not sure anybody would be elated with merely a sub-4.00 ERA from Darvish.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
The Angels sure would be.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
You are right though.
No one would be elated paying $100 million for Edwin Jackson, which is ultiimately what Darvish is going to wind up costing.
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Right
If we accept the premise that the above performance by Darvish qualifies as meeting expectations, then obviously it’s smarter to just sign Edwin Jackson. But I really doubt that premise. I think the expectation is clearly that Darvish could/should be an Ace-like starting pitcher, at least a good number 2 pitcher.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Yeah... Darvish has ace upside and Jackson floor...
while Jackson has Jackson upside and Jackson floor.
Sign Roy O
what is Jackson upside?
i’m still not sure.
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Darvish's floor is much worse than Jackson
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 28, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this also
Darvish is much more of an unknown.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Anyway, in a magical land where we can avoid Westbrook in the rotation during the 2012 season, I wouldn't mind
just getting Jackson back for a 3 year deal, which seems at least possible right now. We are not going to keep both Westbrook and Lohse after 2012, I would imagine, and who knows whether even Miller will be ready to step in for 2013 (a lot can happen with pitching prospects after all). So that leaves us with more continuity in the short/medium term.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Neither of those guys is coming back...
we’ve got a strong 1-3 for 2013 in Waino, Garcia, and Miller. Carp is questionable as the #4… we need another pitcher. I’m just not excited about Zep/Lynn/Cleto.
Sign Roy O
I mean, one of those guys could end up being a perfectly good back of the rotation
And they at least all probably have some potential to be better than that. But if I’m playing “imaginary GM” and I don’t have to worry about real-world stuff, I’d much rather just slide Jackson into that rotation instead of one of our “cromulent depth” guys.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
How about Garza...
he has two years left of control… the Cubs probably want something like Jenkins, Cox, Swagerty, Kmac back. I’d do that…
Sign Roy O
of those 3, I'd prefer Lynn.
I think Rzep’s and Cleto’s futures are in the bullpen. Lynn would make a decent #5
Trade Westbrook
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 28, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think Zep and Lynn are perfectly suitable as 5th starters
Have you looked at Rzep’s numbers in Toronto when he was a starter? It amazes me how people keep looking past this guy.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you
He was a 1.0 fWAR pitcher in 11 starts, twice. Now I’m no mathematician but I’m pretty sure that if he was on track to get 30 starts that would bring him to just under 3.0 WAR. I would be fine with that in the rotation. I know his splits are obvious and his stuff isn’t rediculous but he’s been a starter, and a decent one, in the AL East. There is the caveat that he he’s only pitched more than 100 innings once, in the minors.
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I kind of wonder if we picked up Swindle to make room for Rzep to potentially be a 6th starter
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
I'm ok with Rzep being in the pen this year
But next year with open spots in the rotation, I’d definitely like to see him get a shot.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'd at least like to hear the Cardinals mention his name as a possible starter at some point
I suppose with Tony still around they didn’t bother, but maybe now he’ll at least be in that conversation aside from the internet fans.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
Because Oswalt may not require anything more than a one-year commitment.
And he’s better than Jackson on an inning by inning basis anyway. Also, if we sign Edwin instead of someone else, we would effectively “lose” a draft pick.
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by Cardinals645 on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
Oswalt will be much cheaper than Jackson
And only wants a one year deal. With our pitching prospect supply I don’t think we should commit a lot of money to a slightly above average starter like Jackson.
Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 29, 2011 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
I guess it all depends on Oswalt's health
I assume he still has better upside than Jackson
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
i have no idea what his medical issues are
but assuming no real issues, i would go 2 years for Roy. Guy has been a horse and is still relatively young. with 2-3 good years he could be HOF caliber and would make for a much deeper rotation. Westy could be dealt or stuck in pen. I’m more worried about Carp than Waino and having Westy in bullpen would make me feel a lot better about that.
Just win
He'll turn 35 this season.
He will have to buy a ticket to get in the HOF.
by Forsch's2nohitters on Dec 29, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
kmac..cough
but as a spot start sure
because TLR
by punchinjudy on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
If waino has a setback he'll probably be starting at some point in the year
3 starts of Kmac isn’t the end of the world, I’d rather see Lynn, Rzep, Cleto though.
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if Kmac is starting for like the first 3 months though I'd be upset.
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Luther Hackman?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 28, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just watched the girl with the dragon tattoo and it was pretty good
Outside of the huge loop hole used to explain the ending. Which sort of made it suck. I’m pretty sure they didn’t do something like that in the original but I"ll have to go back to watch it. Worth going to watch though.
bollocks
by SecondHalfMatt on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 PM EST reply actions
I just saw Mission Impossible
better than expected. solid movie.
Piss off Tony, get shipped to Canada.
The new Sherlock Holmes
Is also a decent one.
by Cheeseballs on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm told by some and my son the new one is really good. Plan to see it soon
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
What about the game on 9/9 against the Braves
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but it was that game where Albert tied it with a single down the line off Kimbrel. It was the the first win of our 3-game sweep to get us back in the hunt.
by Ahals15 on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Albert Pujols
he caught the last train for the coast.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 AM EST reply actions
the day
his music died
Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.
by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Any Dostoyevsky scholars out there?
I’ve been reading Notes From Underground and I came across this passage:
As soon as they prove to you, for instance, that you are descended from a monkey, then it is no use scowling, accept it for a fact. When they prove to you that in reality one drop of your own fat must be dearer to you than a hundred thousand of your fellow-creatures, and that this conclusion is the final solution of all so-called virtues and duties and all such prejudices and fancies, then you have just to accept it, there is no help for it, for twice two is a law of mathematics.
The monkey obviously refers to the recent development of the theory of evolution, but does anyone have an idea of what the whole “drop of fat” thing refers to? I can’t seem to find any answers on the internet.
by purple_haze on Dec 29, 2011 1:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Probably
that to Dostoevsky, scientific theories that posited that “self-preservation is all,” that all of our actions a selfish as a biologic necessity, were destructive and against the churches teachings of brotherhood.
by a fink on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's very well said
Nice
"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson
Comparing #1 to the 2006 postseason
I’ve said this before, and I’ll perhaps say it again, but it bears repeeating:
In 2006, Waino twice (NLCS Gm7, WS Gm5) found himself pitching in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs in a clinch game, with a 2-run lead, with the tying run on base (in the first case in scoring position), facing a hitter with success against him in that series.
In both cases, he struck the batter out on three pitches.
Cards fan in Middle East
and one of them was a jelly-legged Carlos Beltran
couldn’t help repeating it
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
I may have missed this in an earlier thread
but what is the official VEB policy now re: the GIF?
Cards fan in Middle East
that kind of .gif is fine as long as it's not a monstrosity in size
Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 29, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I like that one a lot!
11 in 11' √
12 in 12', WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.
by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 29, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
i still get chills thinking about Game 6 and still tear up watching the magic happen
i hope i do that till the day i stop breathing
Balls
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