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things to be thankful for this holiday:

i'm thankful that we have enjoyed ten years of matthew leach as our MLB.com correspondent. he's been a good reporter, a fine writer, and clearly has a keen sense of analysis. he is well-deserving of a promotion to the national mlb.com beat. also, he just seems like a really nice guy. at least we still have goold. i wish matthew nothing but the best in new york city.

i'm also thankful that his replacement at mlb.com sounds intriguing - jennifer langosch is a mizzou graduate (apparently, they have some kind of j-school there?) who put in five seasons in pittsburgh covering the pirates for mlb.com, publishing under the endearing blog title "by gosh, it's langosch." while at Mizzou, she also did some freelance work for the springfield news-leader, which lends lots of coverage to the cardinals' AA team. sadly, despite missouri ties, it appears she was born a braves fan. nobody's perfect.

i'm thankful that walt jocketty is the GM for the Reds. after being comparatively quiet for a few years, walt dealt three top ten organization prospects and an intermittently good starting pitcher to san diego for mat "one t" latos. he followed up this move by trading a decent starting pitcher - who admittedly was lost in the crowd of okay but unspectacular starting pitchers in cincinnati - and two top twenty prospects, at least one of whom would have been on most top ten prospect lists after an excellent 2011. arguably, there was a fair amount of redundancy in the prospects traded, but even so, a four-win starting pitcher and two-win reliever seems like a terribly small haul for a pretty good chunk of the cincinnati farm (and two decent starting pitchers), especially for a team as yet without a left fielder. i understand the desire to capitalize on the remaining votto era, but it seems

conversely, i am generally thankful that john mozeliak is the GM for the cardinals. despite skip schumaker, he's had a very good offseason. he extended berkman and carpenter in reasonable deals. he's avoided overpaying for furcal or beltran or pujols. he's fostered substantial growth in our farm system and avoided trading away bits of the farm for poor return. that's not to say he doesn't make moves i don't agree with or that seem counterproductive or short-sighted. but on balance, we could do much worse. also, despite the rotating middle infield of terror, yuniesky betancourt has never spent a day in a cardinals uniform.

i am thankful that the cardinals won the 2011 world championship.

i am thankful that i have my health, as do most of my closest family members.

i am thankful to have a blog where hundreds of people come together as a community to share their thoughts and ideas.

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I'm thankful for

The entire 2011 season. The past year was a difficult one for me health-wise, and getting to watch the birds pull off that miracle comeback did wonders for my spirit. Good health or not, I doubt we will see it’s like again. I just consider myself blessed to have enjoyed the moment.

And while I’m thinking about it, Merry Christmas / Happy Hollidays to all!

by JWO on Dec 24, 2011 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

I second this motion

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 24, 2011 8:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

thirded

motion carries

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

And backed by the MooCow!

:=8)

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Dec 24, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

and me

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

not me

just kidding. keep getting better.. you’ll want to be around for 12in12.

> tebow

by cschepers on Dec 24, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I second that emotion

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Merry Christmas everyone!

I have a busy day at work ahead of me but I’m thankful to have a job. Actually my life has been not just in many low spots but a variety of low spots and now aside from my family being a little busted up from my parents bad divorce, which a lot of people deal with and I’ve spent almost 20 years battling through/getting used to (and a shortage of hookers and blow) I kind imagine my life being much better. From great family to great friends, to a house, a beautiful wife, a job, my health, being involved in the community the way I want to, even all of my sports teams doing well, I have a LOT to be thankful for and I hope that those who haven’t been as lucky as me can find solace in what they do have and obtain more of what they don’t. And come this spring my wife gets out of school and we get to open her business AND try for kids.

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 24, 2011 8:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

sorry to hear that you've had a rough time

here’s to hoping for a better next year.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh not this year, just in the past. I was just mentioning because I meant that I realize how good my life is now versus places I've been in the past

This year was excellent upon excellence, in fact the last two years have been. Thank you though

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 24, 2011 9:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

then that is good news.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

One more present

Oswalt: now available as last minute christmas special for one year deal

Craig: please don’t trade our Torty Mozeliak.

by ShannonIsn'tSober on Dec 24, 2011 9:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Seconded

I would not be as upset with trading Craig as I was trading Chris Pronger or anything…but I would be pretty pissed.

by stlfan on Dec 24, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

i just had a bout of uncontrollable laughter

After seeing that Torty pic. I need sleep.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Dec 24, 2011 9:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

very true

i have always liked stark, and really liked this story

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Dec 24, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

This had never registered with me

• In back-to-back-to-back at-bats in Games 6 and 7, David Freese hit a game-tying triple, game-winning homer and game-tying double. How incredible was that? Only one other time in World Series history had a player gotten game-tying or go-ahead hits in three consecutive trips to the plate. And naturally, it was Allen Craig, earlier in this same World Series.

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 24, 2011 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That whole WS was like a bad Hollywood sports movie script.

An unbelievable event followed by another unbelievable event going on for 7 games. I’m still not sure it all really happened, yet I have all the games sitting right here on my hard drive.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Enough to make me wish I lived in the MW.

"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa

by vico on Dec 25, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i was going to post this last night but figured i was nextdef'd

regardless, it was a wonderful and fun article to read.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It is, but it's so awesome it deserves to be posted twice.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 24, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep wanting to post stuff from this

but just about every item is amazing. I’d just end up reposting the whole article.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

i think my favorite part is
Their other stud starter (Chris Carpenter) had as many wins on June 22 (one) as Wilson Valdez. Who plays infield for a living.

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

So Game 6 was really crazy
For that matter, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, only three teams in the last 40 years (2006 Red Sox, 1996 Red Sox, 1995 Cubs) have won a regular-season game in which they trailed at least five times. And no team had ever done that in a World Series game. But the Cardinals trailed in this game by scores of 1-0, 3-2, 4-3, 7-4 and 9-7 — and won. Unreal.

O.o

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Dec 24, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

YES

I don’t know what I love most about that, but it’s fantastic.

by saul wright on Dec 24, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Jocketty says

farm system!?!? I don’t need no stinking farm system. God love Walt’s desire to spend them prospects like a drunken sailor with an ATM card at New York strip club … as GM of the Reds. He’ll trade that team into oblivion in very short order.

by jjray on Dec 24, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

he really hates being called Matt, by the way

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!' -- Whittier
Twitter

by mysterui on Dec 24, 2011 9:36 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

i always wondered why his twitter began with "matthew"

i have someone at work whose name is “barbara” and doesn’t like being called “barb”. i respect their wishes because it’s their name, but still think it’s kind of weird.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Who is this?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

leach.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahh

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Carruth

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

My name is David and I hate being called Dave

It happens

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 24, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hate any of the nicknames for my name

and yet, when I tell people my name, which always includes my real, whole first name, many times they shorten it. I correct them immediately. But of course, when someone does it by mail, it’s a little harder to correct them. Really burns my goat…

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

poor goat

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you for saying something.

I edited the post. I feel bad.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Merry Christmas Eve you all tons to be thankful as our cup runneth over

in Cardinal land so here I go, Very thankful for the following……Colby and his father getting traded….. I wasn’t in a car pool with Danny Ma….., the Braves collaped down the stretc…… the best game 6 of all time…… Holliday got hurt and didn’t blow game 7 for us……. Willie had a bobblehead day…… we finally have some good prospects.

by Uncle Lights on Dec 24, 2011 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

sooooo, Holliday getting hurt was a good thing?

hm…

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

This is westcoastbirdwatcher.

No one else uses ellipses like this (even though he’s getting better with proxys). I was going to let the account go before this and the Leach comment below.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 24, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

well that explains it.

new members don’t usually come on board and try to incite things quite so blatantly.

"Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think." ~ Horace

by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't show up in the system as WCBW

but I read the entire last thread thinking it was his style of writing and antagonism only to come here and find a post riddled with ellipses. It’s enough to convince me beyond what was, in and of itself, questionable trolling.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 24, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He's also made proxy accounts before

only to slip up and log in and associate the IP with a WCBW account. I think between myself, Dan and LBoros we’ve banned 5-6 different screennames that were his.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 24, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Robot is on it today!

/Runs away to hide

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

by mtzxc on Dec 24, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven't been warned in at least two weeks.

He’s getting a little lazy, imo.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i would high five you if i weren't afraid you'd break my arm

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Bravo, this is how I imagine VEB as right now

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 24, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Maybe something like this?

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 24, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

I LOVE THIS GIF

i saw it once and couldn’t find it again, so RR THANKS!

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

well done sir

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Dec 24, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

After some off-line coversations, we're going to give this a go

as he claims he’s not WCBW. Short leash. Ban hammer wants to come out to play. Try and give him another chance though.

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 24, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

no need for a ban hammer when his pants are on fire

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If I had better proof than my strong gut feeling (which shouldn't count for much, I suppose)

I wouldn’t have bothered. Like I said, we e-mailed. I hope he gets it better this time. If not, reban

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 24, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

well, wcbw spells holliday with one l so we might be wrong

but doubtful

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

I hang out at TCNB where WCBW posts, and Uncle Lights is expressing opinions that WCBW doesn’t share. Doesn’t mean it’s not him, but I kind of doubt it.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 24, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Are they posting in the same thread/timeframe?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 24, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe.

I have just become familiar with WBCW’s opinions, he has been very consistent, and Uncle Lights sounds nothing like him.

Doesn’t matter to me one way or the other.

"I don’t like the feeling of losing."---Chris Carpenter

by cardsfan59 on Dec 24, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

just messing around

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at this,

the Robot is in the Holliday spirit.

And with that, I’ll log out and get my warning.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

How does 1st warning come? in way of an email or is there something that show's up on your profile/when you login?

Not that I want to know 1st hand, but my understanding is 1st warning is not public

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's starts by not being able to post a comment,

Then you figure, maybe you should log out and see if that fixes it. Then, something like this pops up.

If you’ve been really bad, you get this:

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Damn, no room for misunderstanding those

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That was from the time that cody gave me the password to his

John Mozeliak puppet account. We never even got one post out of it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

So, were you the one who got the 2-day ban a week or so ago?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

no, my longest ban was about an hour,

and it was just the robot screwing with me. He enjoys flaunting his power at times. I think it was during game 4 of the ws.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Holliday spirit

Is that the one where you aren’t clutch and spend the time counting your money?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Really liked Leach Ihope

this new gal does a decent job (skeptical)

by Uncle Lights on Dec 24, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Since Pittsburgh tends to have crappy teams

their writers must be subpar, too

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't care what anyone says

he has to be trolling. Its unpossible that he is not

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Why skeptical?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 24, 2011 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, first off,

I suggest you stop referring to her as a “gal.”

"Sometimes we're not good enough, but our hearts are always good enough" -- Tony La Russa

by vico on Dec 24, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

how is that any different from saying this new "guy"

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

And here's an-udder present....

…when someone else signs Jackson we’ll get an-udder supplemental pick PLUS the two we got when the Albertross left!

:=8D

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Dec 24, 2011 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

plus the one we got from Dotel

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Octavio Claus!

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

5 picks in the first 50+?

that’s just a beautiful Christmas present.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

WOOHOOO!

It’s rainin’ draft picks up in here!

:=8D

2011 World Series Champions!
And that is NERTLERB!!!!!!!!!!
:=8D

by The MooCow on Dec 25, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

good morning and Merry Christmas MooCow!

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 25, 2011 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

what i am thankful for

having a team that can win its division

now i am not saying we WILL win the division, but i feel we have a team that can at least compete, our main concern is team health, there are many ways that health could hurt us, but most team can say the same

here is my guess for the number of games we need from each guy to be a winner:
1. Furcal- 140
2.Freese- 145
3.Berkman- 135
4.Holliday-150 (he just needs to stay away from the strange)
5.Beltran- 135
6.Craig-110 (I just hope he can get in this many
7.Molina-130 (and an extension)
8.Schumacher-140
Jon Jay-100 (hopefully everyone else is healthy enough to only need him 100)
30+ starts for carp, jaime, waino

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Dec 24, 2011 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

The nice thing about Beltran/Berkman/Craig,

is that we basically need 350-375 starts from all of them put together. When they can be interchangeable, they’re more likely to soak up that time in the event of an injury.

"Congratulations to the Cardinals! Such a fun world series." - Salman Rushdie

by hazel on Dec 24, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

shit

With the new wild card it is a lot more beneficial to be a division winner but easier to make the playoffs.

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 24, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I fear for my breakable possessions the first time the Cardinals

take the top Wild Card spot and then lose it in a 1 game playoff.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

reinforces the dry powder theory of roster construction.

play well enough to stay in the hunt. Reload after the all star break and cross your fingers.

"Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think." ~ Horace

by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Does what the Cards did with the Rasmus trade reinforce this/and is what they did an example of this dry powder theory?

If not what is the difference? Mind you I’m with Berk and felt the Cards were a really good team overdue for a breakout run. He said this in a post game interview, after Rasmus trade, in mid August IIR, shortly after the Cards went on the historic run.

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i think that counts

reloaded the bullpen and the rotation and got Jay, etc. more at-bats.

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Dec 24, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember the financial situation last year. short attention span.

but he took a bargaining chip (maybe forced on him) and used it to plug holes.

"Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think." ~ Horace

by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

oh and signing Furcal definitely fit the theory.

I guess it’s not necessarily dry powder, but the ability to reload, however you can. And having young bullpen arms seems to help.

"Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think." ~ Horace

by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Where is Schumaker going to get that many games?

Why would he play more than Jay?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, that makes some sense

I heartily disagree. I am very much hoping Greene and Descalso combine for that time instead of Schumaker.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Mo has as much as said that Skip will not be at 2B next year.

Not that Mo couldn’t be pulling a fast one

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless something happens to Furcal

I don’t see Skip getting anytime at all in the IF, especially when Craig’s out. He’ll be the back-up OF and then the back-up, back-up OF when Craig comes back.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Komatsu or Chambers will be on the 25-man to start off

Or if they’ll start with an extra reliever or infielder or something. This is all assuming Craig doesn’t have a freakishly quick recovery or something.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I see no real chance

That Chambers is on the 25 man, given Schu, Beltran, and Komatsu, unless there are more injuries during ST.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 24, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I forgot about Komatsu.

I think he has to be on it or get sent back.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's just hope that if

Skip actually gets 140 games, that most of them involve maybe one inning of play.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Dec 24, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This

beat me to it

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Possible Memphis opening day lineup:

Adron Chambers – CF
Ryan Jackson – SS
Matt Adams – 1B
Mark Hamilton – LF
Tommy Pham – RF
Zack Cox – 3B
Bryan Anderson – C
Pete Kozma – 2B
Shelby Miller – SP

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

True or False:

This team would have the worst record in the majors.

by a fink on Dec 24, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

false of course

But I watched most of them play in Springfield and I am very biased.

"Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think." ~ Horace

by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

True,

but only because of the rest of the rotation. I don’t think it’d be the worst lineup.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

True

These guys aren’t in the majors because they aren’t good enough to be the majors. Let’s not get too excited.

Even the ML teams with really, really bad offenses have much better pitching than the Baby Birds.

by mojowo11 on Dec 24, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

False

Chambers: 1 WAR
Jackson: 1.5 WAR
Adams: 1.5 WAR
Hamilton: .5 WAR
Pham: 1 WAR
Cox: 1 WAR
Anderson: .5 WAR
Kozma: 0 WAR

That’s not any worse than the current Astros team.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree, I think it'd be more like this:

Chambers: 0 WAR
Jackson: 1.0 WAR
Adams: 1.0 WAR
Hamilton: 0 WAR
Pham: 1 WAR
Cox: 1 WAR
Anderson: .5 WAR
Kozma: -0.5 WAR

I mean Chambers screams replacement level and Hamilton is a 1B with average defense and no power. Kozma is likely awful at hitting and bad at defense.

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by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Is cox ready to jump ahead of lil' carp at Memphis?

I was under the impression that Carp still had the inside track…

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I was hoping Carpenter would be in the majors,

But, yes, Carp likely is ahead of either Cox at 3B or Hamilton in LF.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I join you in your thanks for Mo.

I know some of his moves seem questionable but on the whole he has made good decisions. And for those questionable decisions (perhaps a slight aging veteran presence) we have to remember who has provided most of his “development” as a GM, Walt and TLR. I think considering that influence he has shown a remarkable ability to keep the peace under difficult circumstances, AND cut the losses when necessary (C.Duncan and R.Franklin for instance).

"Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think." ~ Horace

by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

I am thankful for all the female bloggers here, who help suppress the level of testosterone around here

which sometimes seems to get close to getting out of control. Women make our lives better. And besides, you’re smarter than us.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What brand?

I’m almost out of coffee and need to buy some today. I might try it out.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 24, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

organic free?

so does that mean that it has all the pesticides and fungicides that a person could want?

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The Latos move is so weird.

If the Reds don’t have a problem trading with a division rival, why not trade with Chicago for Garza and Dempster? Both would have put up WAR totals higher than anyone in the Cincy rotation in 2011, and both are vets who would come cheap in prospect cost. Chicago has an actual need for a 1B like Alonso, unlike the Padres, and they need all the help they can get with other prospects. The only thing I can assume is that they want to link a good pitcher or two with Votto’s controlled time, but it seems like in failing to win-NOW they are also failing to win later, or to recreate a competent rotation in the long term.

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by hazel on Dec 24, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

who says chicago makes that trade though?

maybe walt inquired and theo told him to go away.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Chicago is looking to deal Garza right now, and they were talking with the Pads about Alonso straight up.

Dempster just isn’t that valuable to a rebuilding team. If Chicago doesn’t make that trade, they are idiots.

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by hazel on Dec 24, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree, but you never know.

theo might not want to deal to an in-division rival right away. though it seems as if chicago is willing to admit they’re several years away, suggesting they should be willing to deal with just about anyone, cardinals included (not that the cardinals need to get in on garza or whoever, just making a point).

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I get the idea of not bolstering a division rival but if you weaken thier farm while strengthening yours so that they can compete better when your rebuilding anyway

Would that be even better than dealing out of division? It should only be the one dealing prospects that should worry about in division, right?

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 24, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Also in my imagination GM's always tell people no with the words "go fuck yourself"

So in my head that went
Walt: “Hey, Theo. What could I get Garza or Dempster for?”
Theo: “Go fuck yourself”

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 24, 2011 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think having Latos for 4 years was important to Walt.

Walt likely wouldn’t want to pay Dempster and Garza I think only has 2 seasons of control left. Aside from that, Jocketty might think Latos was the best available pitcher.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Cost

Jocketty explicitly stated that the reason they got Latos was him being cheap and under club control for another four years. Neither Garza nor Dempster are as cheap as Latos or under club control for as long as Latos.

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 24, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't get how people think the Reds lost the Latos trade.

I think everyone is assuming that the Reds misjudged Alonso’s value because they have Votto. I disagree. Alonso has 0 positional flexibility – none. He projects as a solid hitter (think Cuddyer/Swisher ceiling) without any upside defensively. In fact, we had a similarly limited defensive player with almost the exact hitting profile as Alonso – Brett Wallace, who has managed to cobble together -0.2 WAR in a full season in the majors. A player this limited has less value for any organization, because he will always be superfluous as soon as any organization has an of/if surplus and need to find room for a bat. If Alonso could play a lick of outfield, he would be a real asset. But he cannot.

Also, Latos is a low risk, cheap player with the potential to be their best pitcher.

by EddieHarsch on Dec 24, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i think people are judging the Latos trade based on sheer volume

that the Reds traded several useful prospects away. but i’m with you on Alonso, and i think once you have that evaluation of Alonso, the trade looks decent. i think it’s a win for San Diego too, especially if they now flip Alonso for someone useful.

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Dec 24, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't think it is that bad either

Seems to me that this deal and the Gio deal are basically taking the conventional contract dump for prospects type trade to the next level. The teams involved are looking at different windows to compete and leveraging their roster to fit when it’s time to strike.

by Merry CRasmus on Dec 24, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think either of these teams would have made these trades, if not for the fact that they are in an arms race with division rivals.

The Reds needed an answer to Gallardo, Greinke, Marcum and Waino, Carp, Garcia. The Nats needed an answer to Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Worley and Johnson, Buehrle, Sanchez, Nolansco.

I think both trades help the immediate future and I’d imagine the Reds and Nats would both like to win in 2012 rather than 2015.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

While more successful teams might not have made these trades,

these organizations are desperate for playoff appearances.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The highest upside player

In this deal is Latos. Latos is cost-controlled for 4 years. Latos would be in the starting rotation for every team in Major League Baseball next season. The Padres did not get fleeced in this deal because there is a good chance that one of the 4 players becomes an MLB starter and one becomes a good bench player. But, Latos has the highest potential, is the best player now, has the rarest skill set, and delivers the most value above his pay. “Successful teams” don’t wait on 1B’s who can hit a little or minor league relievers when there is a rare SP available.

by EddieHarsch on Dec 24, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm thankful for VEB, its writers, and the general health of my closest family members.

also, once i beat fink in today’s VEB fantasy championship, i will own his signature for two weeks. as most of you know, i’m not very good at being forced funny, so i’m looking for ideas.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

"VEB: It's communist"

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by hazel on Dec 24, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

oh wow.

i was trying to think of something schumaker related, but nothing came to me.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

what about..

Re-sign Patterson!

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh! this is trending.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Schu fits, Theriot it?

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh I like that.

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by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

oh god.

i’m really going to have to stare at my own signature misusing the subjunctive for two weeks. this is going to blow.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I like meat.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

thought you'd like that.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

aw thanks!

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

well, I liked it

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, see that goes two ways

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like rui's mom.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He can try.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

except in bed

Chief Economist of Tyler Greene Fanclub

by Cardinals645 on Dec 25, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

i fully expect a "2011 memes that souold stay in 2011" post some time soon

and i plan to obey (for the most part)

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Can I get a Black's Law definition of should?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not should, it's souold

can’t you read

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to remember a warning we collectively received from the robot about playing with memes post/after upcoming “2011 memes that souold stay in 2011” post

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

let's start the predictions!

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed

rui’s mom
bobo is a tranny
dick jokes (so basically Fritz is out)

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

CDGAF

(and we’ll probably ignore that rule.)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i do not approve of banning this meme

IDGAFIABCDGAF

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

how about we use this CCDGAF instead?

surely the CDGAF is not played out, it’s moved on from meme to common VEBacular

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

this won't and shouldn't go away.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

so decreed fang

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of think that one picture of him with the words on it should though.

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by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I think it will end up becoming a gamethread staple like ICE TO SEE YOU, etc.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

the dick joke one won't go away.

fritz will get his way.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

None of those jokes except Rui's mom have been beaten into the ground.

Dick jokes are always funny and bobo is a tranny hasn’t been mentioned in like a month. (In bed is also sparingly used)

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by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One could argue

that old memes (“in bed”, me being a tranny) have seen their moment pass and do not need to be resurrected. These memes died a natural death.

Furthermore, reviving them is kind of like the Cardinals going and signing Aaron Miles and Jeff Suppan yet again.

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be better this time!

(Google image search has this as the #1 image for Jeff Suppan.)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I reject your reasonable point on account of bias.

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by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I vote Penny Pitch f/x

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still waiting on that Penny Loafer pitch f/x, vep.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

seems like he would have a meme killing post up by now if he wanted it in time for 2012

maybe he won’t do it. but he probably will.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe he's waiting till after christmas

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe he'll just ban us all with one broad sweep

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

crap

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

but then we can just renew with puppet accounts

i call Uncle vivaelpujols.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

uncle d-dee just sounds wrong

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2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

she can call you uncle

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

right and you're her uncle

wait, that means she married fang… run away d-dee!

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

works on a few levels ... but leaving it alone

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to go with

“bivalves don’t count”

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I read a story recently

about how mole rats can’t feel pain, either. so there you go.

> tebow

by cschepers on Dec 24, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i really liked leach but

he wrote this in his blog

Thank you to Rick Hummel and Joe Strauss, two of the best in the business, who set a standard that I strived to match.

i cringed but it’s his business. good luck in new york

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

eh, he worked with them.

strauss is a douche online but it wouldn’t surprise me if he were at least okay to be in the same pressbox with.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

No need to burn bridges even if you are getting a new job in a different state.

Even though it would be nice to tell your boss/colleagues to f off

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not talking about burning bridges

just don’t say strauss sets any kind of journalistic standards except how not to do it

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't mean that

I should have phrased it better

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, hummel especially.

he is liked by basically anyone he’s ever worked with.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

there is no way Strauss is a good person

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

you met him?

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

words say a lot about a person

for example, when i write articles i don’t sound like a huge douchebag.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

..... Who's going to tell him?

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by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, i really liked the calm professional tone of the narrative accompanying the penny pitch f/x

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

thanks

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Anecdotal evidence

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Strauss

We got over 2 ft. of snow this week, in less than 72 hours, and we decided yesterday to head out to our cabin west of where we live here in SoCol. It’s near the foothills, and the morning light on the fresh snow made it extra shiny. It was still like that when we headed back in about 3:30 in the afternoon, and my 11-year old looked out the window of the car and said, “Wow, it’s still really glittery. It’s like a huge unicorn vomited all over the place.” I laughed my fool head off, thinking of Straussicorns and vomiting.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just a formality

never going to see them again, why burn unnecessary bridges down?

by hr on Dec 24, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree about Jocketty...

I don’t think he’s an especially great GM, but those trades added five or so wins for the Reds and definitely put them in a good position to compete for a playoff spot.

None of the guys he traded promised to help the Reds at all any time soon – Volquez and Wood were the 5th and 6th starter, respectively. Grandal and Alonso were blocked. Boxberger is a reliever. Sappelt and the other guy were spare parts.

Jocketty packaged all this up and got a five win improvement in 2012 at a cost of about $4 million. Plus he has a cost controlled ace going forward. Was he really supposed to do better?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 24, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

The Marshall trade seems like a classic overvaluing of major league relievers.

I think they overpaid for Latos as well but I can understand that move a little more and he got a starter for 4 years.

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by azruavatar on Dec 24, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think Marshall would be a very good starter

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by mysterui on Dec 24, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me a little of our Rzep trade.

Not sure either will ever get the chance to start.

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by azruavatar on Dec 24, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

As of this moment,

Marshall is more likely to close than start for Cincy

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

If they crank his innings up to 100 or more -

and why not, he’s around for exactly a year – he could be a 3 win reliever.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 24, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

first, the list of guys used as 3-win, 100-inning relievers

In the last 30 years is short and maybe nonexistent. So, I question this whole premise. While marshall is a great reliever and put up 2.7 wins last year, you can’t just assume he’ll put up the same numbers again. He’s probably a 2-win reliever.

He’s also in his last year of club control, which means, even if he’s worth 3 wins, they still traded a two-win starting pitcher (under club control for longer), a likely top 10 second base prospect, and a top 20 prospect for (at most) 3 wins. I haven’t looked at what marshall will earn in arb, but it won’t be league min.

Just take wood for a second: he’s a legit 2-win 4th starter. Sure, the rotation is crowded, but what team doesn’t give 100 innings to their 6th starter? By trading Wood and Volquez, the Reds 6th starter is now aroldis chapman, who didn’t have the control to be a good reliever, much less a starter last year.

And it doesn’t help walt’s case that the rotation is so crowded (and money so short) that he signed arroyo to that insane contract last year. So now the reds are trying to get rid of young cheap starters to make up for the fact that arroyo is making idiotic money to pitch worse that wood.

How does all that spell a good deal to you?

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by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

holy shit

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

and 1 pitch.

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by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

no, in 1996 he still threw other stuff

IIRC, he actually hadn’t learned the cutter in 1996.

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
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by tehzachatak on Dec 24, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking an early rivera season might qualify.

But i’d be surprised if much of anybody else did.

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by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm defending Walt Jocketty in back to back replies...

the Arroyo extension had a NPV of $29 million. He was owed $13 million for 2011. They tore up a 1/13, replaced it with a 3/29, and freed up $6.5 million in 2011 to sign all their arb-eligible guys. It may have been short-sighted, but I could see the rationale.

I suppose the Marshall trade was worse than the Latos trade, but I see the point of both. A pitcher like Wood with a 30% ground ball rate, something less than swing and miss stuff, and so-so control doesn’t play well in GABP. The Reds had one of the worst rotations in the NL last year and he couldn’t even be a part of it. Maybe he should’ve been, but I don’t see the Reds missing any of Wood, Torreyes, and Sappelt, while Marshall could be the best high leverage reliever in the NL.

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 24, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

wood played just fine in GABP, with a career 3.75 FIP. to the extent that

You’re arguing that FIP doesn’t capture his batted ball problems, he still has a 4.18 ERA in his 200 innings at GABP. Saying he “couldn’t be a part” of last year’s rotation is to lazily excuse overreaction on the part of the reds to poor results in a small sample size. Everything objective shows that wood is a fine 4th starting pitcher.

Unless you assume that no one will get injured, and thus wood would have little or no value, or that marshall will really turn into mo rivera, the reds probably got a single win for 2012 just by trading wood (who I guess would be worth 1 WAR as a swingman) for marshall (who is probably a 2 WAR reliever).

Even by the win-now logic, it would have made much more sense to trade prospect depth for a good left fielder, which they sorely lack.

I don’t have anything else to say about Arroyo’s extension. Walt found himself in a hole and tried to fix it by digging a bigger hole. It’s just ludicrous.

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by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

With the new wild card

The bar is set lower at making the playoffs. Those wins added might be enough

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 24, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Running some numbers...

Since 1996, Wild Card winners have averaged 93 wins. Wild Card runner-ups have finished with and average of 89 wins. So on average the bar is lowered by 4 wins.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a done deal yet, but most industry types seem confident it will happen.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 24, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Contrariwise, the wild card(s) are less valuable now

because those teams have to win a play-in game to get to the LDS. Much better to just win a division.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

So now the WCs have a 6.25% of winning the WS, down from 12.5%...

Let’s say two teams are both guaranteed playoff spots – one the division and the other the WC – and are tied with each other on September 18th. Do you play the Beltran/Berkman types every day and have someone like Carp throw 125 pitches a start to try to win the division?

Sign Roy O

by guayzimi on Dec 24, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This was Swindle's ZiPS from 2011. Can't find a 2012 yet
Player            T     Age   ERA      W    L    G   GS     IP    H   ER   HR   BB    K ERA+
R.J. Swindle      L     27    4.04     3    2   43    0   55.7   55   25    6   17   48  104

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by mysterui on Dec 24, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

at a quick glance that looks like a cromulent #2 LOOGY

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Dec 24, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Adjust for park/league as necessary

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by mysterui on Dec 24, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Without delving into it more, that looks serviceable

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by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's playing in Busch II

he’ll look a little funny being the only one in Ballpark Village.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

/typing roman numeral fail

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

FIP will be much lower than his ERA I believe

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone know if the play in game counts as a regular season game?

Or does it count as a playoff game? Traditionally, play in games have counted as game 163. I was just thinking about silly stuff like HR titles and batting championships, ERA titles, etc.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

I'm assuming that the WildCard game will be a playoff game.

Is that what you are talking about?

Any extra game to determine who gets to play in that game (or the postseason in general) would still count as a regular season game, I think.

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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

well, tey call it a one game playoff

but i personally still think it’s more or less a regular season game

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Little known clause in the new CBA

mandates champagne celebrations for every win during the season.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Better by some stock in plastics

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"It's A Wonderful Life" reference???

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, wasn't that you that used it quite a while back? pretty sure it was one of the matts

pretty sure it was one of the matts

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty sure it was one of the matts

Means you’ve got a 50% chance of being right on VEB

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

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by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty sure it was one of the matts or cody

Increases chances to 90%

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Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I could have swore there were more matts

some kind of comment magnification error

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

A double whammy

You know what? I think it deserves a rec.

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by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you kindly mattybobo, thank you kindly

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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Merry Christmas VEB

I probably won’t be on tomorrow. Also, please don’t respond to trolls.

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Dec 24, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

i'm not on here as much as many of you,

but the ones that are here are very knowledgeable of all things cardinals. i know less than almost everyone here i’m sure, but if i have a question or opinion it’s always greeted with a courteous, insightful answer/response. thanks to the ones in charge here and the rest of the community for being what you all are here. merry christmas eve, veb!

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by threadkiller on Dec 24, 2011 12:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Hadn't heard this before but loved it
despite the rotating middle infield of terror

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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Who's the youngest member of VEB?

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 24, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

You at this point I think

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by mysterui on Dec 24, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I thought.

Manchester City: 44 points, 14-1-2, 1st in EPL, +38 GD
Sergio Aguero: 11 G, 4 A
Edin Dzeko: 10 G, 3 A

by cardinalswsbound on Dec 24, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

this question made me curious

Since VEB is a very open and accepting community and has active participants of all ages, professions, geographic areas, etc…

Does anyone know of youngest (starting age) and oldest regular, at least for an extended period of time in history, not necessarily current, member?

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd guess

Ridgesee is the oldest regular.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

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by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there are few here that remember 64

ridgesee just might remember 46.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

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12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

ridgesee's older than dirt

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember '64, but I'm pretty sure ridgesee and maybe one or two others are older than me.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I am also older than dirt.

I remember 64 vaguely. 67 and 68 more clearly. Bob Gibson pitching on a broken leg. Sheesh! Of course in those days we listed to the games on the radio and watched on Sundays. There was not 24 hour/day Cardinal news coverage.

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by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I seemed to recall that you might be older than me, but I'm not about to ask a woman her age.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

listening to 63 and 64 pennant races

by buck, caray, and garigiola

i was at wash u at the time, and groat came by
after a game in 63 when they fell just short of the dodgers
pretty nice of him

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Dec 24, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember 64

But nothing before that — I was 7

"You've got to have an attitude if your going to go far in this game." -- Bob Gibson

by cyclone on Dec 26, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i started when i was 16. i think gabe did too.

way back when we had a kid that was 14 or 15 but he didn’t last very long as the community wasn’t very accepting of his obviously unmature opinion.

also way back in the day, rockin redbird was pretty up there. valatan, bailorg, or maybe larry or someone like that would be able to tell you more about him.

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-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I started when I was 17 actually.

I feel like I’ve done a ton of maturing since then at least on this blog. I did a complete 180 on statistics that’s for sure.

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by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i did as well.

and i signed up when i was 15, actually…..wow.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I'm surprised I lasted this long.

That first few months were tough, most of it due to me. For some reason, I cared about what random people on the internet thought. Once, I learned the advanced stats and stopped caring what people thought is when I was able to integrate.

(Though I suppose me caring what people though partly changed my attitude.)

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by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

second nicest comment ever said about me.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He wasn't talking about you.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

it’s a reply to my comment.

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-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

tak jok

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

at least we know what to get fang for Christmas

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I was 15 when i started

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

"[Mo'] extended berkman and carpenter in reasonable deals"

Huh? When did this happen?

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by Zubin on Dec 24, 2011 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

In September, we rolled Carpenter's $15 million option for 2012

into a two-year, $21 million deal. That’s more than reasonable, in fact I think it’s a fantastic contract. Later in September, we signed Berkman to a one-year, $12 million extension. Again, a fantastic contract, especially because Mo was able to keep it to one year.

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by mattyp on Dec 24, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay...

I thought it was referring to something in the offseason. Berk is signed through 2012 and Carp through 2013. Yes?

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by Zubin on Dec 24, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I am grateful...

For the weirdest championship ride ever in 2011. It still feels like a fantasy or a dream.
For Lance Berkman. He quickly became my favorite Cardinal. He come across as humble, intelligent and normal.
For VEB and its predecessors Larry Borowski’s The Curve Blog and Brian Gunn’s Redbird Nation. These blogs have kept me connected to the only sports team I have loved. They provide tremendous insight into the team and the sport— even if I disagree with the front page guys on occasion.

Best Wishes to the VEB community.

The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Dec 24, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

OT - WAY OT Actually

Can anybody think of an eight-letter word for nuclear tragedy using these letter sets?

mel-mi-wn-une-tdo-sfo-rt

Or a 10-letter word for minor tragedy using the same letter sets above

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

meltdown

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

misfortune

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you!

I’ve been staring at that for an hour and you make it seem so easy….showoff

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa...

Giants just went endzone to endzone for a TD. 99 yard catch and run.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

'bout time Eli put up some points for me

that was huge!

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm thankful I can ditch this stupid screen name in just a week.

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by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

I'm pretty certain someone posted this already,

but everyone should read Goold’s excellent piece on the Beltran signing.

The Cardinals sought not only a batsman to cover Craig’s absence, but a righthanded hitter who could complement Jon Jay in center. Beltran satisfies both needs.

More than a full season removed from prolonged knee troubles and microfracture surgery on his right knee in January 2010, Beltran embraced the opportunity to appear in center, an associate said. He was moved exclusively to right field in 2011 to alleviate strain on the knee.

After checking his current health situation and gaining confidence in Beltran’s knee, the Cardinals feel he’ll be able to handle center partially because of how he played through 142 games with 598 plate appearances last season. Mozeliak said his scouts believed Beltran moved well enough to handle center.

“We relied heavily on that as we looked at him,” Mozeliak said. “I also do think that when you look at how our club is constituted getting each guy a day or two off a week will be beneficial. Berkman, the young players Craig and Jay — that will help everyone through the season, including Beltran.”

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-land-beltran/article_410d3cbe-19ac-56ce-a6d5-ecd10308dadb.html#ixzz1hTvBEPe0

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Dec 24, 2011 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

Great to see Mo doing his due diligence

Not that I’m surprised. As much as we all like to construct 9 man batting orders, depth is such a critical factor. Keeping guys fresh during a long season and having qualified guys who can step up during DL stints is so important. I’m very pleased with Mo’s moves this offseason.

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by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 24, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I was pretty certain they'd've scouted beltran

Extensively, but it’s good to see confirmation.

Now, “adequate” beltran CF defense might still be pretty limited (-5 to -10), but he just has to not be appalling to make sense in center.

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by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 5:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think he'll be much worse than Jay

His speed has got to be pretty shot, but Beltran was a +10 center-fielder in his prime and was good overall from 2008-2010. I think -5 is probably a good guess for him.

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

good article

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

surprisingly hard

Beware: Velociraptors may be present.

by azruavatar on Dec 24, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed

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by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

except in bed

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by Cardinals645 on Dec 25, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

You like it here better than the Bucs Dugout don't you?

jok, jok mind you

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Conspiracy theory

MCITT = Langosch

/joke

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

speaking of which MCITT, what are your thoughts on Langosch's writing and how well is she rec'd by your blog fanbase?

from looking at her goodbye article seems like she was very well thought of

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

I just like baseball in general. Also, you can just go with MITT; that’s what they call me over at BD. I don’t really mind, but just for consistency’s sake.

I like Langosch. She always seemed knowledgeable, unbiased, and took her work seriously. She will do very well in St. Louis, of that I have no doubt.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 24, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You must have a lot of free time.

I’ve seen you comment on like 4 different SB Nation blogs not including Bucs Dugout. (Which by itself is perhaps normal, but the fact that VEB and McCovey Chronicles are regularly at 1000 comments makes me wonder how you do what you do)

I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.

by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah as am I.

College or high school? (I’m college)

I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.

by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

that's awesome.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

ANOTHER ONE?

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't

worry. I want to teach history at the undergrad level. Screw practicing. Gonna go get my PhD after Law school.. just went so I could do pro bono work during the summer.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 24, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just kidding

we seem to have a lot of lawfolk around here. They’re all wonderful, wonderful people.

(ohgodpleasedontsueme)

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

so, are your parents and in-laws really getting on your

Nerves? Because I expected to get about 60 comments all day. Usually, our holiday attendance is down. I thought about doing a heavier analytical post, but I figured I’d save it for next week, when people might actually read it. Maybe I should’ve run it anyway.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 3:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

DO EEET

Wife and kids are out shopping

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 24, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I was looking forward to another Star Wars type thread,

but with the WS win this year, this place hasn’t died down a bit.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm the only one home right now.

Kids went with grandparents to Southern Illinois for the week and wife is currently with her parents at her grandmother’s house.

I’m home with a stomach bug that has been focused on jettisoning everything.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I killed mine with whisky.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Had it for two days now, and finally am able to do just that.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

that's your problem

if you had been drinking beforehand, it never would’ve gotten started.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

where in southern illinois

were those punks that run in front of my truck your children?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

My dad is going out of town later today

so I’m staying home alone for the next week. Today might as well be any other day for me.

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My plans don't start until 4:30.

Go to Church, Mom’s side for 3 hours, then Dad’s for the rest of the night.

I won’t get home until midnight. Until then, I got nothing.

I AM ACTUALLY STLCARDSFAN4 JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.

by C@rdball on Dec 24, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

FFS, I needed to one more bit of last minute shopping,

and some asshat hit a power pole near the mall. It is apparently in flames, and the mall is shut down. That’s what I get for waiting till the last minute.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

tom s.

What does it seem at the end of your second-to-last paragraph there? If you’ve already answered this, sorry, I just got here and read your post without going through the comments yet.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

what are you referring to? I'm not seeing what you're looking at.

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

this
i understand the desire to capitalize on the remaining votto era, but it seems

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, sorry, I must have lost that thought.

Something like: “seems like a radical overpay for the benefit to the club.”

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yay for thin Elvis!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Minnesota is winning...

Rams, well the Rams don’t have any points.

  1. overall!

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

ugh...

number 2 overall!

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the rams are so, so bad.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

>Tebow

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

lol tebow

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

During the Greatest Show on Turf years,

the Rams scored 526, 540, and 503 points. This season they’ve scored 166 points.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

the 1999 rams had 55 touchdowns from scrimmage

the 2009-2011 rams have 56.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate the Rams.

I’d happily trade them to get the Baltimore Orioles back in town.

Trade Westbrook

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 24, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Including Peter Angelos?

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Small victories!

"Why does everyone always forget about Trevor Rosenthal?"
-VolsnCards5

by Action Jaxon on Dec 24, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Based on some conversations in yesterdays thread

i did a little piece on guys who had played at a high level and were no longer in prime and joined cardinals…some turned out well..some not so well

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/12/23/2658774/aging-stars-cardinal-style

because TLR

by punchinjudy on Dec 24, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

Presents: wrapped.

(demonstratively dusts off hands)

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

Merry Christmas VEB, and I hope you all have a wonderful holiday season.I

We still have a quasi White Christmas here, from the snow we had Thursday night, this morning temp is around 16F. So this weekend I’m just going to hunker down at the homestead, watch movies, and more movies, and do some good reading.
First thing I’m most thankful for is that my lovely wife and family members are still in good health.
I’m very thankful for VEB, which has kept me going this past tumultuous baseball season, especially the first half, and VEB thanks for the enlightenment and baseball education, no matter how old one is, there is always room to learn.

by Tuning in from Korea on Dec 24, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

I am hunkering down myself. Merry Christmas to you also.

"Carpe diem! Rejoice while you are alive; enjoy the day; live life to the fullest; make the most of what you have. It is later than you think." ~ Horace

by spfldbird on Dec 24, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I know what it will be,

but if anyone wants to put up suggestions for fang’s new sig, I’ll listen.

by a fink on Dec 24, 2011 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

I AM ACTUALLY YADI2SECOND JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR POSSIBLE CONFUSION.

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Dec 24, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

..
I am not a virgin

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 24, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

oh i like this

RJ Swindle for LOOGY
I have a man-crush on Peter Bourjos

by tehzachatak on Dec 24, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"I wish I was eating a Lunchable with Ryan Theriot and Corey Patterson"

Subjunctive fail ftw!

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 24, 2011 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   4 recs

Oh...that's good.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i went through a lunchable phase almost two full calendar years ago.

it seriously lasted like 2-3 weeks and i exclaimed like once or twice that i was eating one on VEB. yeah, everyone took off with it.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i remember that!

it was funny

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 24, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

aren't you glad you have friends in life who care

Enough to remember what you said 2 years ago, even if solely for the sake of giving you shit about it?

i used to be disgusted, but now i try to be amused . . . - macmanus

by tom s. on Dec 25, 2011 12:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

this is a positive and correct way of looking at things.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 25, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

oh yes, absolutely

Secretary of WAR and Defense of the Tyler Greene Fanclub.

by vivaelpujols on Dec 25, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

i would have lunchables and ted drewes every day if i was 12 years old and under.
i’m eating another lunchable right now.
i need a lunchable.
more lunchable goodness!!!
i had a lunchable tonight.

my favorite words are goodbye and my favorite color is red

by mattyp on Dec 24, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

IT'S A FLUKE

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

YES

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 24, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yes. over the fantasy championship match.

"He’s not a great golden god come from the sky. He’s a fucking baseball player."

-the red baron

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 25, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm grateful for alternate accounts

"That catcher Torre sure ain't no chicken" - Jack Buck

by This...is...Sparta!cular on Dec 24, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Me too.

"You can't be friends with a squirrel! A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit." - SJP

by zero sum gain on Dec 24, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

At least people know who I am, tho.

All dames are alike: they reach down your throat so they can grab your heart, pull it out and they throw it on the floor, and they step on 'em with their high heels, they spit on it, shove it in the oven and they cook the shit out of it. Then they slice it into little pieces, slam it on a hunk of toast, and they serve it to you. And they expect you to say, "Thanks, honey, it's delicious." Rigby Reardon

by isgigra on Dec 24, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

GOB, I hope not.

I never want to be like Adam Dunn. He hates baseball!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And he proved it last year.

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Jumping in very quickly

to wish a Very Merry Whatever-Midwinter-Festival-You-Celebrate to the most entertaining, intelligent and civilized baseball fans on the internet.

Perhaps the ONLY entertaining, intelligent and civilized baseball fans on the internet.

Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue parceque je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte

by alberich on Dec 24, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

Hush, you.

Tell us how great we are again, alberich.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

flattery will get you anything

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Dec 24, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

FESTIVUS!!!

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 78

by d-dee on Dec 24, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

A virtual city on an electronic hill

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So, my favorite part of Goold's article about Beltran

He is the first player who wasn’t already with the Cards to get a multi-year deal during Mozeliak’s tenure, and his $13-million average salary is the highest in years for a player who has not been with the

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 24, 2011 5:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That's supposed to end with "organization before"

I also love:
“Beltran, at .910, ranked ninth behind Berkman (.959) and Holliday (.912). Just behind the newest Cardinal was a former Cardinal, Pujols at .906.”

"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"

by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 24, 2011 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

wow.

That Pujols guy was a bum.

by rumors on Dec 24, 2011 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Your daily December Christmas song:

Christmas Eve. Tonight always brings to mind one song in particular.
Low – Silent Night

I hope everyone out there in Viva El Birdos land has a joyous, safe, and merry Christmas.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 24, 2011 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Awesome.

Thanks.

(And SBN is sorry about the auto-flag.)

The negative waves. Always with the negative waves...

Elation. Sadness. Mayhem. Champagne. Sleepless fury. Never been a night like it. - Joe Posnanski

by TBender on Dec 24, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Neexs

Baby, It’s Cold Outside

by Cheeseballs on Dec 24, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I've always preferred Otis Redding's version of Merry Christmas Baby to everyone else's.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 24, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

and

wizards of winter, tso
carel of the bells, any u-tube you for lights-carel

TLR is gone, long live the king

by sportsman on Dec 24, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd, nice list the continental

may your christmas be funky

and we won the world series.

by YesWeOquendo on Dec 25, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Another one I like

Pogues Fairytale of New York

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 25, 2011 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Rest easy everybody the there is some Christmas Magic in the air.

I am officially off the VEB banned list and look forward to more of our Yuletide banter. (Yes Virginia there is a Santa Clause)

by Uncle Lights on Dec 24, 2011 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Happy holidays VEB

Cardinals fans are very fortunate!

by Cheeseballs on Dec 24, 2011 10:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Since this is a thanks giving type of post

I am thankful i have survived to my age 36 year today

Im thankful for my family and friends

And of course, the 2011 cardinals and the enrichment of that experience with veb. Thanks for all the great articles and insights.

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 24, 2011 10:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Thanks!

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 25, 2011 11:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Danke

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 25, 2011 11:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Happy Birthday, Chitown

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 25, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you!

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 25, 2011 11:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Thank you a fink

Check facebook if youre in the mood for zome rare 1973 miles davis on youtube

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 25, 2011 11:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Merry Christmas to you too!

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 25, 2011 11:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Got a nice surprise.

When JoePos’ article came out on Stan, I didn’t manage to get a copy. Sad for me. Yesterday I stopped in at the hair salon that my wife goes to in order to get her a gift certificate for a mani-pedi. And what just happened to be sitting on their magazine rack but that issue. So I asked the lady who owns the shop how much she wanted for it and she asked me why would I even want it. To say the least my eyes glazed over a bit. so I asked her again how much, and she told that if I wanted it, I could have it. I practically skipped out the door I was so damned happy.
Merry Christmas, VEB. You all make my bad days a lot better.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 24, 2011 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

I think same articles but:

August 02, 2010
Where Are They Now?
FOR INCOMPARABLE IDOLS AS WELL AS UNLIKELY HEROES, LIFE GOES ON AFTER THE GAMES END. GET REACQUAINTED WITH STAN THE MAN, THE BADDEST MAN ON THE PLANET, AND OTHER STARS WHOSE FAME WAS FAR MORE FLEETING
JOE POSNANSKI
November 10, 2011
The Man, Forever
HIS RECORDS AREN’T THE FLASHIEST, BUT THAT SUITS THE MODEST AND MARVELOUS STAN MUSIAL, WHOSE LEGACY AND PRESENCE EXTEND FAR BEYOND THE DIAMOND
JOE POSNANSKI

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 25, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

It was the first one.

The SI article.

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 25, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

How I met your mother fans:

So, Robin Sparkles “Let’s Go to the Mall” is on Just Dance 3….Awesome.

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO

by VolsnCards5 on Dec 24, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

WHOA

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"

by mattybobo on Dec 24, 2011 10:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Actually

Some of us prefer to be on the naughty list.

Beer and Baseball. Baseball and Beer. It's not hard to reevaluate your priorities when you only have two.

by PugetSoundCardsAddict on Dec 24, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: I have the world's best wife. Evidence for this:

Today is my birthday.

For it she gave me a baseball autographed by Stan Musial.

Thanks, honey. I love you, even if I’m blubbering all over the keyboard as I try to type this.

"That’s what a baseball player does: he uses the glove half of the time." -- Rick Horton regarding the DH.

by StanTheManFan on Dec 24, 2011 10:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

wow

she is the best

RE-SIGN EVERYONE

by Notorious PSC on Dec 24, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

happy birthday, stanfan

that is highly cool gift

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 25, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy Birthday, stanfan

that is one pretty cool gift

Johnny Gomes could not be reached for comment
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 25, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Women get the most amazing gifts

My girlfriend bought me a photo collage of the 2005 cardinals, signed by each player.
I can’t believe i have a photo with the signatures of the MV3, with Carp, Walker, Morris and the rest.
My most truly awesome possession.

by NoWayMan! on Dec 25, 2011 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy Birthday Stan

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 25, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Merry Christmas all.

Hope you have a good one.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 24, 2011 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

You too!

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 25, 2011 11:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

i am shocked we're losing Matthew, it sucks big time for us

he will be missed & not soon, if ever replaced. our loss is NYC’s gain. i can’t ever hate on a man for having his dreams come true, but i really wish he wasn’t leaving us.

thank you & good luck Matthew. God’s speed

Balls

by gdm426 on Dec 24, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

What is this team

No tlr, luhnow, pujols, leach

I wanted to play baseball!
-Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 25, 2011 11:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

To anyone up and on

How do I FanPost a pic from my work comp without a FB/blog/etc.?

Is there anywhere I could host the pic, or can I create a URL to my own comp?

Cards fan in Middle East

by Shloz on Dec 25, 2011 6:14 AM EST reply actions  

imgur is by far the easiest, as you don't have to create an account.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Dec 25, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

how's this? Warning could create chaos

Good Morning and Merry Christmas VEB, hope you get every you want and deserve desire. Have a great day!

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 25, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Merry Christmas from beyond the realm of America VEB!

I had planned a massive xmas post but i don’t have time.

Hope y’all have a good day.

Happy Christmas!

Bursting into song.

by Aranathor on Dec 25, 2011 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

New hol(l)iday cheer from Azru

Not a creature was stirring, not even a Rasmouse

It isn’t showing up on the front page for me, your mileage may vary.

#HappySeason #SadOffSeason #ImFeelingBetterThough

by The Continental on Dec 25, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

You must have unstuck it

11 in '11, Check.
12 in 12, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!.

by I-Musial-ly-Am on Dec 25, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

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